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Title: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: pinestone on June 28, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
We all know that a moving electric field produces a magnetic field (electromagnet).
Also, the reverse is true- a moving magnetic field creates an electric field (generator).
These two phenomenon are the basis for just about everything electric we have made in the past 200 years or so.

To produce a magnetic field artificially, electrons must be put in motion though a conductor (electric field), which has resistance and generates heat. As soon as the electric field is stopped, the magnetic field stops, too (unless the conductor is supercooled).

From what I have read, a stationary magnet's electric field is equal to zero and not moving.
It remains cool to the touch and its field stays intact for many years (forever?).

Wouldn't this indicate that a magnet's electric field is actually moving internally and not static at all?
If so, why hasn't this movement been recognized or theorized?


Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: Onevoice on June 28, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
There is another thread around here about a magnetic battery. It seems you can pull a small current from a semiconductor place sandwiched between two permanent magnets. Thus indicates, at least to me, that there is a current flow between stationary domains. If there is only one domain and a conductor, then a current flow can still be gained, but only if the structure is in motion relative to the load.

The most interesting effect though is that the magnetic battery appears to go against what is most commonly accepted about magnetic domains. When two magnets are pushed together with like poles facing, the get hot and the fields are scattered, ruining the magnets. When magnets are together with opposite poles and the semi conductor pulls current too fast, the magnets are also damaged. I know of no theory to account for this behaviour. ???
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: pese on June 29, 2008, 09:16:51 AM
 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=a49d5cJOGQ0&feature=related

Pese
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: resonanceman on June 29, 2008, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: pese on June 29, 2008, 09:16:51 AM
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=a49d5cJOGQ0&feature=related

Pese


Interesting  little  device

The URL  at the end didn't work


gary
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: vzon17 on June 29, 2008, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: pinestone on June 28, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
We all know that a moving electric field produces a magnetic field (electromagnet).
Also, the reverse is true- a moving magnetic field creates an electric field (generator).
These two phenomenon are the basis for just about everything electric we have made in the past 200 years or so.

To produce a magnetic field artificially, electrons must be put in motion though a conductor (electric field), which has resistance and generates heat. As soon as the electric field is stopped, the magnetic field stops, too (unless the conductor is supercooled).

From what I have read, a stationary magnet's electric field is equal to zero and not moving.
It remains cool to the touch and its field stays intact for many years (forever?).

Wouldn't this indicate that a magnet's electric field is actually moving internally and not static at all?
If so, why hasn't this movement been recognized or theorized?



You are correct the magnetic field is not static. Also when you turn off the current the magnetic field does not stop it collapses back down and generates an electron flow in the wire which is of a different nature than the electricity that made it in the first place. the magnetic fields are in constant motion. there are two vortexes of energy on each pole.
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: pese on June 29, 2008, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: resonanceman on June 29, 2008, 11:05:10 AM

Interesting  little  device

The URL  at the end didn't work


gary

possibly

or
surpressed ?

sure is:
unwanted invention.

and:

we belive tto mutch

and know "near" nothing
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: nightlife on June 29, 2008, 09:08:22 PM
Here is the url at the end and as stated, it does not work although it does show evidence of working in the past judging by the topics of the different possible selections.

http://wuerth-ag.com/

My guess is that someone is trying to keep it secret. It looks easy enough to build and I am assuming that once it brought up to speed, it would take much effort to keep it at that speed.

It would take some testing to see what happens when work is applied.
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: resonanceman on June 29, 2008, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: nightlife on June 29, 2008, 09:08:22 PM
Here is the url at the end and as stated, it does not work although it does show evidence of working in the past judging by the topics of the different possible selections.

http://wuerth-ag.com/

My guess is that someone is trying to keep it secret. It looks easy enough to build and I am assuming that once it brought up to speed, it would take much effort to keep it at that speed.

It would take some testing to see what happens when work is applied.

It looks  like a  pulsed  flywheel  system

It does look pretty easy to build  for anyone with  metal  working   equipment .

I  suspect  that  starting  it is a little more  complex  than   they  made it look .
It probably  has to get  going fairly fast  before  you   can  pump it  up  by moving  the  top wheel  back and  forth . 


gary
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: Onevoice on June 30, 2008, 12:21:04 AM
It might be nothing, but it did look to me like the guy turning the wheel had his muscles tensed a bit too much for a low energy pulse on the wheel. The real test is to measure how much energy is required in the pulses to keep a constant RPM going when the system is under a measured load.
Title: Re: magnets and electromagnets
Post by: pinestone on July 04, 2008, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: vzon17 on June 29, 2008, 08:37:08 PM

You are correct the magnetic field is not static. Also when you turn off the current the magnetic field does not stop it collapses back down and generates an electron flow in the wire which is of a different nature than the electricity that made it in the first place. the magnetic fields are in constant motion. there are two vortexes of energy on each pole.


Yes, an electromagnetic field generates a reverse 'inductive kick' when the magnetic field collapses. I was referring to the field possessed by a magnet.
The domains inside the ferromagnetic material that makes up a magnet are aligned in such a way that their electrons spin n-s or s-n.
Somehow this atomic level spin leaves the surface of the magnet and has the ability to align the domains of other ferric materials over a distance.
If the electrons are spinning, that means they are moving, doesn't it?