I am not sure if anyone has read or posted anything about Edward Leedskalnin. So I'm sorry if this is just a repeat.
The device Edward talks about "perpetual motion holder" and his theories on magnets is very interesting and can shed some light on the topic of TPU's. Instead of trying to decipher what SM did and what other "so called associates" have seen or heard, why don't we all start from scratch and actually theorize what we are trying to do. -----> make a rotating magnetic field which power can be drawn off and used to perform work.
I think everyone is making this way too complicated and difficult than it actually needs to be.
I think I think I think I can swim but i sink so... ;D
SIR read some of Giantkillers thread ED is here a long time Chet
You're on the mark, dude!
Go to the last posts in the heterodyning thread and page back till you see the green iron wire contraption. ;)
It has been 2 yrs and alot of talk. I post these pix for anybody interested in what 'They' can do. This build is a trip and very easy. I used 555s too. But that is not the rule. Stay away from the talk and build something. Get pleased with what you can do and not what you think you hear.
It still holds true what SM said: 'Everything off the shelf at radio shack'. What a trip.
--giantkiller. The world is still flat according to some. :D
Technically everything on this forum is talk and I haven't come across some real good results yet. Since its been two years on the concept of SM and nothing to prove except "talk" and theories then I'm just simply suggesting to forget everything Mr. Steven Mark said and start over with the basic concept. Use everything you have learned the last two years but forget SM's way of doing it. Why try to replicate something that noone is for sure it actually worked?
And don't worry I am building a device, I just ordered all my wires.
When you get at least one artifact or effect your eyes will open wide.
Radiant energy,
Dartlets,
Kicks (and not the ones produced at the begining of a pulse on time, but really jacked up due to on time in the hieght the resonant rise window.),
Resonant rise,
Headaches,
energy clicking off your elbows as you grab a powered coil,
the warm feeling field (same as Deyo talks about) ;),
PCs and routers taken down or reset,
Shaking the house with only 100 watts of heterodyning, I could've done 750 Bose watts, but then what would I tell the insurance man? ''I was copying mythbusters?'. :o
And the Coupe de gras? An inferior made Russian rocket falls out of the sky over my home town while I am testing the spaztic operation of the GK4 (coincidentally coincident?). Tesla said 'No warfare'. 8)
I am happy with this list.
How? Radio shack. Go into the audio department and look for the incorrectly wound pancake coils. They are there, right on the wall.
Keep on truckin' and never give up. I am not done yet.
Kunel patent = cannonballs. If nobody can see this then put your heads down and save yourselves the anguish of fustration.
There are only two modes here. Go through life defeated like the rest or progress into the future, way ahead of your fellow man. I am still in awe.
Stun gun is a Tesla coil. Stun gun is a Tesla coil. Stun gun is a Tesla coil. Stun gun is a Tesla coil. Stun gun is a Tesla coil. Knock yourselves out!
The simplest thing you could do is buy a stun gun and take it apart. Google: 'stun gun circuits'. The similarities are amazing? No. You're looking dead at and into Tesla. Do this before you wind. Throwing copper together is just like throwing bullets in a campfire. :o
--giantkiller. The future is so bright I gotta wear shades.
p.s. The only thing new is your experience of any of this.
@GK,
LOL LOL you crack me up! ;D ;D
@Thesjester,
Not everything that has been done has been written...
Certainly everything that has been written hasn't been read.....
Those who are silent will hear the most...
Those who are humble will be helped...
Those who persevere will succeed....
Spider....
Words of wisdom.....
Quote from: Spider on July 01, 2008, 10:59:29 AM
@GK,
LOL LOL you crack me up! ;D ;D
@Thesjester,
Not everything that has been done has been written...
Certainly everything that has been written hasn't been read.....
Those who are silent will hear the most...
Those who are humble will be helped...
Those who persevere will succeed....
Spider....
Why hasn't it been written, this is a research forum.....right?
I get bored from reading so much sometimes....yet if I don't know or understand something I read countless hours about it.
I've been reading this stuff for a couple months and just recently have spoken.
I've already stated that I don't know everything and am still learning.
I've followed many ideas and have failed many times, thats the only way to succeed. A failure is just one less way of it not working and you only have to find one way for it to work.....hence my previous post about SM.
So by analyzing my own life I have concluded I already live by those proverbs.......
Quote from: giantkiller on July 01, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
p.s. The only thing new is your experience of any of this.
So can I safely assume that you have experienced everything relating to SM and his TPU considering that the only new is my experience.
For being a forum that is trying to open up peoples minds and explore new ideas, it seems like everyone is closed to the thought of going outside what SM has said/done. Everything I have said about starting over you have neglected to comment about and have only stated that you know some proverbs and that everything has been tried.
Why not everything is out here? Cause people are people and the world is like it is.
This forum is nothing more than a reflexion of society.
I have been around here many months, seen lost of people come and never return...
I always wonder why I never see posts like: I wanna start, can somebody help me?
You can start by building a kickcoil , second post of spherics.
Then proceed to the more advanced stuff.
Lots of info around here.
Spider
@spider
thank you
i will considering building a kickcoil but first I got other ideas and plans in mind.
does anyone know spherics or where he got his information? if he thought of it on his own? does he have relation to SM?
I think his idea is very interesting.
What he (th3jester) is talking about is the Urban Legend Myths that you can read all over these forums, but not facts.
You read about someone outside, or on this forum, doing something and it becomes a mantra after it's repeated long enough, but whether there's any substance to it or not is hard to tell because we are to take their word for it.
There are no threads that say "This is how you build this specific thing and 100 people have confirmed it already."
On one hand I mostly blame Stefan for that because he administers the forums and perhaps he does not wish to go in that direction. On the other hand of course these are his forums and his choice how he will run them, but if all this is done for the sake of betterment of humankind then why not make it so that a first time visitor can get started right away without having to read through dozens/hundreds of threads for bits and pieces of information.
Further more, one's word means nothing if there are clear instructions that everyone can follow and recreate what that person claimed in the first place. Yet, we have no such place, whereas such place should be the most prominently featured on the site.
And while we are on the subject, what is on the front page? A photo of a system for water electrolysis (imho a hoax) with a catchy line "Use Water as Fuel ! Huge savings !" Give me a break...
Leedskalnin,
Tesla,
Keely,
Schaumberger,
Then,
Bearden,
Deyo,
Dollard,
Borderland sciences,
Dale Pond
Google video these men.
And if you can't wait till the end result? Then search David Flynn. That one will bust your chops!
And,
I am serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get a $30.00 stun gun from www.budk.com (http://www.budk.com) and play with it. The stages are the exact same as a Tesla coil. There is even a spark gap inside. Go for it. Just don't put your scope on it.
Oh yeah... I blew up 2 meters and my scope. ;D
Read the list of people. Get the patents. Read them!
This is not collegiate. We'll always be ahead before they ever get it. You are the research! This is as close as spoon feeding as it gets. I am enabling you to put the horse before the cart here. There are no other ways. Not my way, but the way.
I repeat, If you can't see the tree for the forest here then you are obviously mistaking the desert for an oasis. Seriously. Would you like to count how many posts are just like this directed to a poster like you? If you can't drop your preconceived ideas you will remain lost. That is the cold hard fact. Forget the book learned crap. I don't have a degree(surprised?) and don't need one(not surprising!). But I do have insight and that is your most important tool.
The list I have set forth here will save you countless hours and lost time spinning out into nowhere. Guard you next response here. It will sound like countless others. I mean that as a friend.
--giantkiller. No Bullsh!t.
@amigo
Wow, you took the words right out of my mouth. sometimes I am not good at trying to relay what I am thinking. I completely agree with everything you said and those are the points I was trying to make.
I did post on here and ask for help as where to start and i got almost nothing except for a few posts that didn't help at all. but I no longer wish to have the help on the topic of SM TPU.
Tesla and Leedskalnin are resonable sources for repeating experiments and furthering their research because they actually had something that worked and others have been able to replicate it.
Anyways once I get my wires, some theories/schematics/animations/graphics and other "stuff" made I will make a new thread that will not include anything based on SM, it will simply be based on building a solid state generator.
@ GK
Well thank you, finally something helpful.
Some of those people I haven't heard of, a few of them yes.
I completely agree with the whole collegiate statement and how we will always be ahead of them. But it hasn't been that way. Yes, some of the great breakthroughs in technology are from people out of their garage or basement. But recently collegiates( i'm assuming you mean haven been to college and doing research at a university or company) have out done everyone, even the major oil companies.
2 most recent examples.....
EEStor and their "ultracapacitor"
stanford student and his memsistor
anyways i'm not like other so called posters, i want to find a way for the TPU to actually work. I'm just confused why everyone seems to think SM is the way to go.
@giantkiller
So what are you saying to this fellow, because the way I'm reading your response it sounds to me you are not giving him a benefit of a doubt whatsoever?
What if th3jester is honest-to-God person willing to learn the "new paradigm" and drop his prior orthodox science teachings?
The list of dead people (first group of names you posted) means nothing, and neither do their patents. That's part of the urban legend myth I'm talking about. These people are *dead* and we can not ask them what they really meant or did - their patents do *not* speak of their intentions either because that's not what a patent is for, but surely I do not need to lecture you about patents do I? :)
And the living people, you forgot Bedini by the way :) ... that's the other part of the urban legend myth. Even though the names are big and their work might speak enough, I highly question some of their motives as being less than altruistic, which is what one truly needs to be in order to do that "betterment of the humankind" part.
From my limited knowledge it appears to me Tesla was the only person who was truly altruistic and unfortunately we don't have him anymore with us.
The present living people, well I do not see them breaking their back to help the humankind. A true altruist would never stop and would not have commercially vested interests in mind, and pardon me for saying, but the "living list" you posted does. No, I do not blame them for their commercially vested interests and I might even understand their reasons, after all people are people.
Although, when the existence of the entire humankind on this planet might hang in the air, there is no room for non-altruistic motives and if someone has information that would help, anything but sharing it is non-altruistic. Somehow I believe that there is still information withheld by them, perhaps even by some on these forums and elsewhere, for whatever (non-altruistic) reason that might be...
I think I'll just let amigo relay my thoughts.
I do appreciate GK telling me those names, I have no problem with reading about what other people have done or accomplished and I know I will learn a few things from those people.
What I'm shooting for is a new idea, something that hasn't been beaten to the ground. I will do it and whatever I come up with I will post it and I will not fill it with half baked ideas or partial information.
@amigo
Tesla is the one person I have spent most of my research on. Anything and everything I can found about him I read over and over. I have several books concerning Tesla works.
@th3jester
Tesla patent #'s
381,970 -> Method of electrical distribution (look at a rotating sytem tpu... tesla style)
685,012 ->Means for increasing the intensity of electrical oscillations. (self amplifier for the effects of individual coils)
Get these and others at: http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/index.html (http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/index.html)
Personally, after what I have found, it is a direct modification of Tesla's work. (IE a ripoff of Tesla)
Paul Andrulis
I do not stand alone but on the shoulders of great men. 8) I was taught and I listened. All else if folly.
Do not attempt any builds until you follow what those other men said and did. There is a bountiful mystery in there.
I did post 3,6,9 and what that means done by these other men. You're lucky in that these last posts are the most conciseful in one place. It would do you well to see the first 2 posts on 'Lords of the ring'. Notice the plural. It is a stun gun type transformer with out the spark gap. Do you want to spend time or gain time? I am not saying that is the final answer. But at least it gives ideas.
We have too many over educated people based upon changed content. Over and over again. Pitiful.
If any body cares or dares to dispute what they said then do it publically and you will meet a whole nother set of pitbulls just waiting to chew you up.
--giantkiller. He who runs blindly into a minefield will surely not exit the other side. I hate to see anybody burnout or burn up.
Due to my inability to spot any other relevant thread on Leedskalnin Perpetual Magnet Holder, i will post my thoughts here.
I have been experimenting with pulsed setups (toroids) and I-laminated cores, and despite my efforts, by pulsing and collecting the BEMF, my toroids can work efficiently at very low power levels being saturated easily in moderate power (despite some permeatability 1000 i think) and large size (80mm OD).
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Recently my monitor's PSU went out and naturally i laid my hands on it. I had the curiosity how a light module can supply some 50w power, whereas a 50w transformer is quite bulky and heavy.
As you may know, PSU work by rectifying the 220VAC to dc, and pulsing an inductor up to 100 Khz and collecting the flyback in a second winding. of course a complex electronic circuit is required but thats the concept.
My question was, how the small inductor does not get saturated, even at high frequency. The tricks are 2. It is pulsed alternatively (middle tapped winding ala inverter mode) and the little inductor is GAPPED.
Why gaped?
i experiment with other matterials and cores quite larger and heavier that the small inductor. what i found out is that, when applying a pulse to a cored inductor, if the magnetic flux path is closed, it quickly falls in a "positive" feedback loop that leads to core saturate and inductance decline.
e.g. having a core with closed magnetic flux path, and having two similar windings of say 1 mH, to the one is applied a current (regulated) whereas the other is used for measurements. I have found that beyond a current o 50mA the seconds windings inductance declines fast.
If i reassemble the particular two-E core inductor with a gap and by having two 1mH windings again (some 5 times more wire though) i can go up to amps before i notice the serious inductance decline.
In other words as it is commonly known the gap prevents the cores from saturation, or to falling to this positive feedback saturation cycle to my view.
Regarding Perpetual magnet holder
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As you know, very low magnetic remnascent materials as lamination cores does not show the effect of PMH Leedskalnin suggested.
On the contrary raw iron manifest that property.
My totally and instinctive view gained from some experimenting so far is that, raw iron has a low magnetic remnance. When coils energized in closed loop mode, it falls to the "positive magnetic feedback cycle" and upon coil pulsing cease, the remnant flux is enough to maintain this feedback which its up-to-speed. Upon introducing a gap or breaking the closed loop, this feedback ceases to exist and the remnant magnetism is very low to initiate on its own a new feedback circle again when the loop is re-closed.
Bottom line, my unscientific approach and understanding is that magnetic materials self-saturate (i got inspired also by the self saturated magnetic amplifier experiments - see my youtube vids) under proper conditions rather than to accept the explanations given by Leedskalnin. (e.g orbit of positive and negative magnetic charges etc)
....i was using a small piece of calcite and what i feel now is similar to 2 opposing magnets...holding the calcite about 1/4" above the HDPE center...when i feel the push, i keep it in the same spot and the effect starts to grow, it pushes back harder....i cannot tell if it is being pushed or like Ed said about it being magnets that control muscle contraction...in any case it is a very strange sensation....the calcite splits light into 2 streams..Ed did say the streams had to be divided...and then run them against each other...that makes sense with what i have felt...with a convex mirror at the plane, i feel a pushing .but it is so small... just a part of this energy can be reflected...just as X and other waves penetrate materials, i believe this energy will do also..if the streams can be separated using calcite that would be interesting... to separate the N and S into streams, the PMH is used....gravity and levity are like a vortex to a point to vortex...temperature is the zero point ..the PMH is also at that point. ..lets say N = levity, S = gravity...L and G can only go one way so reversal of the polarity at the point and changing the dominant stream of magnetic current, with the PMH...is the how....when a PMH is energized ,an orbit starts...ring the bell a second time and dominance is reversed....if the dominant stream has been reversed properly, the PMH acts as the zero point ...now if the PMH is spun, the gravity does what it knows and goes to the plane but now its carrying the N ...and, levity at the pole and S...any pull of G + N results in a S + L push...these streams would prefer to travel in the metal....so put a S magnet at the plane, just like in the photo of Ed, and spin the device so gravity and the N at the plane...levity and S at the pole that can now be collected at the wire above the device, flowing upward [like heat convection] into the mass above...as the magnet and the rotor pull N and gravity, S and levity flow up the wire , from above the generator, to be used at the quarry..the S being attracted to the north, flows into the stone bringing L with it...i believe that weight, as we experience here on earth, is due to the gravity to levity ratio...this can be changed .every thing has a zero point...at the quarry, the wire that comes from the mass above the pole is copper...steel, i believe was used to cut the stone, but i think the wire was connected to the flat bar he used at the quarry...i also think that because the S attracts N. the flow of L+ S from the tool softened the stone making it easier to work?.......i am pretty sure that this is how it was done..... i have found that the PMH is multi functional and ...i want to prove that this, how Ed .built his castle....david