NEW BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cka7qb0zoc8
ADDITIONAL TEST AND VERIFICATION VIDEOS TO FOLLOW.
CHEERS
Thane
Quote from: CRANKYpants on July 14, 2008, 12:02:03 AM
NEW BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cka7qb0zoc8
ADDITIONAL TEST AND VERIFICATION VIDEOS TO FOLLOW.
CHEERS
Thane
Congratulations...From following your other thread I know you have taken considerable time , energy, and resources (and flak) to get this far. I am also glad you have separated this out from your other thread so others can focus on the details for a possible replication. By starting your own thread you can at least control the subject line which seemed to get changed with the other thread. I also hope that you can get moderator privileges to keep this thread in check.
Am I to presume that the reason you started your own thread was to get people interested in replicating ?
Of course the first thing that is going to be asked by almost anyone here at some point is 'can you close the loop ?'. Can you power the input requirements with the output power and power a load like a light bulb ? That will be the real 'proof' that will will really stand out.
Wishing you the best.
Quote from: hydrocontrol on July 14, 2008, 12:18:12 AM
Congratulations...From following your other thread I know you have taken considerable time , energy, and resources (and flak) to get this far. I am also glad you have separated this out from your other thread so others can focus on the details for a possible replication. By starting your own thread you can at least control the subject line which seemed to get changed with the other thread. I also hope that you can get moderator privileges to keep this thread in check.
Am I to presume that the reason you started your own thread was to get people interested in replicating ?
Of course the first thing that is going to be asked by almost anyone here at some point is 'can you close the loop ?'. Can you power the input requirements with the output power and power a load like a light bulb ? That will be the real 'proof' that will will really stand out.
Wishing you the best.
THANKS HYDROCONTROL,
THIS IS OUR FIRST PROTOTYPE IN THREE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH ACTUALLY SHOWS REALISTIC NUMBERS AND REAL PROMISE.
I STARTED THE THREAD TO SPREAD THE INFORMATION ASAP AND YES FOR OTHERS TO REPLICATE.
THIS IS A WORKING PROTOTYPE BUT IT IS FAR FROM IDEAL - IT MAY TAKE ANOTHER THREE YEARS TO CLOSE THE LOOP :P BUT IT APPEARS WE ARE NOW ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
CHEERS
Thane
Quote from: CRANKYpants on July 14, 2008, 12:30:04 AM
THANKS HYDROCONTROL,
THIS IS OUR FIRST PROTOTYPE IN THREE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH ACTUALLY SHOWS REALISTIC NUMBERS AND REAL PROMISE.
I STARTED THE THREAD TO SPREAD THE INFORMATION ASAP AND YES FOR OTHERS TO REPLICATE.
THIS IS A WORKING PROTOTYPE BUT IT IS FAR FROM IDEAL - IT MAY TAKE ANOTHER THREE YEARS TO CLOSE THE LOOP :P BUT IT APPEARS WE ARE NOW ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
CHEERS
Thane
Excellent ;D ;D ;D This sounds like a 'OPEN SOURCE' project.. ;D ;D ;D
May I suggest creating a single PDF instruction construction manual that is in one location that you can update as development progresses. The very first page of the PDF should contain a version number that gets updated every time the information is changed. The version number can be referenced in communications by everyone so that everyone can be assured that they are using a 'current' build manual as time progresses. The PDF instruction construction manual needs exacting details. These details include everything from a bill of materials, material suppliers, exotic materials if any ('Flux capacitor ;) '), notes on problem areas, etc.
I am sure you would agree that reading through hundreds of thread post to piece together how to build a device is not the most productive or efficient way to develop or promote any technology.
I suggest you also discuss with Stephen about getting moderator privileges for this thread so that this development discussion thread will stay in focus from the hundreds of 'armchair' builders that will swarm 'like flies to s**t' wanting to rip apart everything from measurement equipment, technique, materials involved, etc... All of these 'armchair' builders will not actually build anything but will help 'defocus' the actual development and will slow any development down to a nonproductive rate.
Best of luck..
Great work.
Can you measure the amps through the resistor and even on the input?
This looks very promising.. look forward to some kind of manual/instructions to start replicating.
Amazing work, I have never seen stuff like this before, I stumbled upon your videos on youtube and I was very impressed and didn't quite believe it at first but I watched them all, I think, I'm actually a first year electrical engineering student at algonquin college in ottawa and I may not have as much a grasp on the subject as you do, but i understand enough to realize what these experiments mean and its really amazing, im just curious, do you guys ever have any seminars around the city or demonstrations of your devices?
Quote from: waterhouse24 on July 16, 2008, 02:20:41 PM
This looks very promising.. look forward to some kind of manual/instructions to start replicating.
YOU CAN SEE THE INSTRUCTIONS HERE:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3000;topicseen
SORRY I DON'T HAVE TIME TO MANTAIN 2 THREADS.
THERE IS MORE INFO TO FOLLOW.
CHEERS
Thane
Quote from: Electric Grapevine on July 18, 2008, 02:40:29 AM
Amazing work, I have never seen stuff like this before, I stumbled upon your videos on youtube and I was very impressed and didn't quite believe it at first but I watched them all, I think, I'm actually a first year electrical engineering student at algonquin college in ottawa and I may not have as much a grasp on the subject as you do, but i understand enough to realize what these experiments mean and its really amazing, im just curious, do you guys ever have any seminars around the city or demonstrations of your devices?
DEAR EG,
THANKS - YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME TO OTTAWA U FOR A DEMO AT ANY TIME.
AND NO WE DON'T HAVE SEMINARS BECAUSE SADLY MANY PEOPLE THINK IT IS A FRAUD.
CHEERS
Thane
Quote from: hydrocontrol on July 14, 2008, 05:17:55 AM
Excellent ;D ;D ;D This sounds like a 'OPEN SOURCE' project.. ;D ;D ;D
Best of luck..
YOU CAN SEE THE INSTRUCTIONS HERE:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3000;topicseen
CHEERS
Thane
Wow,
well done Thane!
Does this work just with 60 Hz sinewave AC
or are you using some kind of pulsed input ?
How do you measure exactly the input power ?
What kind of meter do you use and
do you use it in a range, where not much big error
could occur for the 1 Watt range ?
Could you please show the circuit digram ?
Many thanks.
P.S: Just saw, that you had a cos phi power factor
issue in the other thread...
So is the measurement still valid ?
Please clarify.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
QuoteWow,
well done Thane!
Does this work just with 60 Hz sinewave AC
or are you using some kind of pulsed input ?
YES 60 HZ MAINS POWER.
QuoteHow do you measure exactly the input power ?
I AM USING THE POWER METER SHOWN IN THE VIDEO AND PHOTOS.
THEN DOUBLE CHECK THE POWER FACTOR ON THE OSCILLOSCOPE.
QuoteWhat kind of meter do you use and do you use it in a range, where not much big error
could occur for the 1 Watt range ?
THE CURRENT AND VOLTAGE READINGS ARE GOOD - THE METER HAS TROUBLE WITH THE Pf THOUGH - SO THAT IS WHY I DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE SCOPE.
Quote
P.S: Just saw, that you had a cos phi power factor issue in the other thread...
So is the measurement still valid ? Please clarify
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
NO THE MEASUREMENTS ARE NOT VALID.
WHEN I PLACED THIS TRANSFORMER ON THE SCOPE THE Pf IS ACTUALLY 0.7 OR ABOUT 45 DEGREES. AFTER REWINDING THE PRIMARY - I NOW HAVE HAD IT DOWN TO 0.26.
I AM REWINDING YET AGAIN THIS WEEKEND.
IDEALLY ONCE WORKING PROPERLY THE PRIMARY CURRENT AND POWER FACTOR WILL NOT INCREASE WHEN PLACED UNDER LOAD BECAUSE THE SECONDARY BACK EMF INDUCED FLUX WILL FOLLOW THE LOWER RELUCTANCE FLUX PATH INTO EACH SECONDARY AND AVOID THE PRIMARY FLUX PATH ALL TOGETHER.
ALSO THE PRIMARY SHOULD BE OPERATED AS CLOSE TO SATURATION AS POSSIBLE.
THIS SCENARIO WILL DO 2 THINGS:
IT WILL SELF REGULATE THE OUTPUT POWER AND THE DIVERTED FLUX WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE CAUSE THE PRIMARY IMPEDANCE TO DROP - CAUSING IT TO DRAW ADDITIONAL CURRENT AND POWER FROM THE SUPPLY - WILL NOT BE REQUIRED.
STILL TRYING TO GET THE WIRE GAUGE TURNS RATIO MIX RIGHT.
.
PLEASE DON'T THINK I AM RUDE BUT I ONLY HAVE TIME TO DO ONE THREAD AT A TIME SO I WILL BE FOCUSING AND POSTING MY RESULTS ON THE OTHER THREAD.
THANKS
Thane
QuoteTHE Pf IS ACTUALLY 0.7 OR ABOUT 45 DEGREES
Do you want to explain this, please?
thanks
Quote from: alan on July 19, 2008, 05:21:16 AM
Do you want to explain this, please?
thanks
THE POWER FACTOR OF AN IDEAL INDUCTOR IS 0 OR VOLTAGE AND CURRENT BEING 90 DEGREES OUT OF PHASE.
IN A TRANSFORMER WITH A PURELY RESISTIVE LOAD THAT HAS A POWER FACTOR OF 1 - THE LOAD POWER FACTOR WILL BE TRANSFERED BACK TO THE PRIMARY AND THE PRIMARY WILL ALSO HAVE A POWER FACTOR OF 1.
THIS MEANS THE POWER DISIPATED BY THE PRIMARY UNDER LOAD IS P = VI or V^2/R..
IF THE POWER FACTOR IS NOT 1 THEN THE POWER DISIPATED BY THE PRIMARY IS
P = VI cos(ANGLE BETWEEN VOLTAGE AND CURRENT) OR
P = VI cos(theta).
SO IN OUR DEMO VIDEO OUR METER SHOWS A POWER FACTOR OF 0.11 AND THE OSCILLOSCPE SHOWS A POWER FACTOR OF 0.7 OR 45 DERGEES OUT OF PHASE.
IN THIS CASE THE METER IS WRONG - BUT ALL IS NOT LOST BECAUSE THE POWER FACTOR SHOULD BE 1 BECAUSE THE LOAD IS PURELY RESISTIVE. THIS IS THE GOOD NEWS AND THE BAD NEWS IS THAT IT IS NOT OVER UNITY - YET.
HOWEVER BY CHANGING THE WIRE GAUGE AND # OF TURNS ETC WE NOW HAVE THE POWER FACTOR DOWN TO 0.26 WITH A PURELY RESISTIVE LOAD - MORE GOOD NEWS.
UNFORTUNATELY OUR PRIMARY IS STILL NOT COMPLETELY ISOLATED - WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON CORRECTING.
CHEERS
Thane
DEAR ALL,
PLEASE FIND BELOW THE LINK TO PART 2 OF THE TRANSFORMER VIDEO WITH A NEW PRIMARY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYYfGwU60_0
IN A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER THE POWER FACTOR WOULD BE 1 (FOR A PURELY RESISTIVE LOAD AS USED HERE) - MEANING THE CURRENT AND VOLTAGE ARE IN PHASE WITH EACH OTHER.
THIS TRANSFORMER IS NOT IN PHASE BECAUSE THE BRIDGE DIVERTS SOME OF THE SECONDARY BACK EMF INDUCED FLUX. THIS DIVERTED FLUX ENTERS THE OPPOSING SECONDARY IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE PRIMARY FLUX AND HELPS MAINTAIN THE VOLTAGE ACCROSS THE LOAD. SO NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE DIVERTED BACK EMF FLUX IS DOING "WORK" THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE HAD TO BE SUPPLIED BUT THE SOURCE.
THIS DIVERTED FLUX WOULD OTHERWISE CAUSE THE PRIMARY IMPEDANCE TO DROP AND CAUSE IT TO DRAW MORE CURRENT FROM THE SOURCE.NOW IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AND THE SAVINGS CAN NOW BE APPLIED TO THE LOAD.
WITH A MORE EFFICIENT BRIDGE, SLIGHTLY LARGER WIRE, AND ADDITIONAL BI-TOROID "SPLITTING" THIS TRANSFORMER WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.
CHEERS
Thane
NEW BRIDGES MY-OVER-UNITY COUNTY...
DEAR ALL,
I HAVE UPLOADED THE NEW 1027% BI-TOROID PHOTO DATA HERE:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RY9LUR2V
Input voltage = 38.7 volts, current = 0.002 amps Pf = 0.88 / 28.8 degrees
INPUT POWER = 0.07 watts
Load voltage = 8.5 volts LOAD POWER = 8.5^2/100.5 = 0.72 watts
Efficiency = 1027 % (voltages recorded with true RMS meter).
CHEERIOS
Thane
Forgive my ignorance but why did you not measure the current through the load. And what happens when increasing the input load, is there some sort of linear relationship or more of a saturating effect on the output.
Quote from: broli on July 25, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
Forgive my ignorance but why did you not measure the current through the load. And what happens when increasing the input load, is there some sort of linear relationship or more of a saturating effect on the output.
THIS IS A FIRST DRAFT - IT WAS JUST ASSEMLED TODAY.
INCREASING INPUT LOAD?
THE CURRENT THROUGH THE LOAD IS,
I = E/R
= 8.5 / 100.5
I = 85.6 mA
POWER THROUGH THE LOAD IS THEREFORE,
P = I^2 R
= O.0856^2 x 100.5
= 0.72 WATTS
CHEERS
Thane
I think he means really measuring it to rule errors out.
1000% efficiency, hope it is real ;D
(btw thanks for the PF explanation)
Quote from: alan on July 25, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
I think he means really measuring it to rule errors out.
1000% efficiency, hope it is real ;D
(btw thanks for the PF explanation)
MOST WELCOME,
JUST MEASURED IT WITH THE CURRENT METER TO DOUBLE CHECK FOR ACCURACY...
CURRENT THROUGH 100.5 ohm LOAD = 0.086 A OR 86 mA
THANKS
Thane
Bi-Toroid Transformer Construction and Model Photos
I HAVE SENT JM SOME "BIG BANG" BI-TOROID PHOTOS FOR POSTING - I ALSO POSTED THEM HERE:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I7ZP0Q2L
CHEERS
Thane
Do you want to post a schematic drawing?
I'd like to give it some thought.
Is it possible to hard limit the input current to 2mA rms?
hi stringguy
don't take it personally - if you've read through the thread then you have as much info as the rest of us
as you said, above, Thane is busy doing the work (on this and another major project) at the moment - it's a bonus that we can get to see the results as they progress
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
DEAR ALL,
PLEASE CHECK OUT THE THREAD CALLED "Thane Heins Perepiteia" IT HAS JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU REQUIRE. START AT PAGE 77 AND WORK BACKWARDS.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DULPICATE EVERYTHING HERE.
THANKS AND SORRY...
Thane
Thane Cant find 1027% transformer file ? did you remove it? Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 05, 2008, 02:40:21 PM
Thane Cant find 1027% transformer file ? did you remove it? Chet
Hi Chet, the link in his Reply# 15 above still works, it is there. Gyula
What are the wire sizes, number of turns, core diameters, and thickness?