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Title: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 07:55:59 AM
I have seen a lot of videos in youtube showing electrolysis systems. In the next videos you can see my first electrolysis systems. I?m using 9 Volts @ 550 mAmps DC. I?m using only tap water.

I think that the hho production is very good using only 4.5 Watts. What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8mdzEekLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8mdzEekLA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlcOYYV0Fsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlcOYYV0Fsk)
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2008, 08:07:05 AM
I like your electrodes!! I'm going to get me some like that today!!

But that's not really very much gas.
Here's how to measure your gas production rate:
http://www.mediafire.com/?fnnuuwud0bc
and there are a couple more videos there that you might like too.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 15, 2008, 08:07:05 AM
I like your electrodes!! I'm going to get me some like that today!!

But that's not really very much gas.
Here's how to measure your gas production rate:
http://www.mediafire.com/?fnnuuwud0bc
and there are a couple more videos there that you might like too.
Thanks man,
I will post some pictures of my electrodes. I buy the first that I found. I know that the amount of hho gas is not high, but I?m using only 4.5 Watts... I?m using low energy. I have seen similar videos, but the guys used more power to make a similar production. Is normal to get that amount of hho using only 4.5 Watts?

I?m going to see the videos.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 08:24:50 AM
here you have my electrodes
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: triffid on July 15, 2008, 09:40:14 AM
It looks like you used a sink (or cover) drain for an electrode.I thought the normal(room temp) temp experiment that there seemed to be more bubbles.I was trying to figure out how to put 6 or 7 cells together in one unit.You may have helped me with your choice of electrodes.Magnets will increase the amount of bubbles too.Takes less electricity.Oxgyen is attracted to a magnet but hydrogen is repelled.
Just arrange the magnets so they will attract each other.Then place a magnet near each electrode.The magnets assist in the breakdown of water.Triffid
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: triffid on July 15, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
I know too that electrolysis of water can use heat energy to assist in the breakdown of water.Triffid
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: triffid on July 15, 2008, 09:40:14 AM
It looks like you used a sink (or cover) drain for an electrode.I thought the normal(room temp) temp experiment that there seemed to be more bubbles.I was trying to figure out how to put 6 or 7 cells together in one unit.You may have helped me with your choice of electrodes.Magnets will increase the amount of bubbles too.Takes less electricity.Oxgyen is attracted to a magnet but hydrogen is repelled.
Just arrange the magnets so they will attract each other.Then place a magnet near each electrode.The magnets assist in the breakdown of water.Triffid

Yes, I used a sink (I don?t know the name of that kind of electrodes in english). In one of the videos I?m using very cold water and as you can see the amount of hho is good. I have also used water near boiling point and the difference is little.

I have just make the same experiment, but replacing the sink electrodes. I have used a slot protector taken from a computer. And... the amount of hho gas is very very little compared with my electrodes. And I?m using the same water and the same energy.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 01:21:13 PM
I have a question for all

If I use more plates, but the same energy as we use with the 2 plates... Will I obtain more hho gas?
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: jeanna on July 16, 2008, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Magnethos on July 15, 2008, 01:21:13 PM
I have a question for all

If I use more plates, but the same energy as we use with the 2 plates... Will I obtain more hho gas?

According to Yull Brown, yes, you will.

He calls them in series. I don't understand series connection from his drawing.

His patent is US Pat # 4014777
Fig 2 is his drawing of the plates in series.

jeanna
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 16, 2008, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: jeanna on July 16, 2008, 12:07:51 AM
According to Yull Brown, yes, you will.

He calls them in series. I don't understand series connection from his drawing.

His patent is US Pat # 4014777
Fig 2 is his drawing of the plates in series.

jeanna
Thanks, I will try it and see what happens.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 16, 2008, 08:06:59 AM
This is a possible desing of the new cell using 20 plates.In the pictures there are only 2 plates.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 16, 2008, 11:41:27 AM
A new video where I?m showing the same experiment. I only get big bubbles instead a lot of little bubbles. The electrolysis is clearer. 9 Volts 550 mAmps 2 plates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYiGsMbHPCs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYiGsMbHPCs)

In this experiment where I obtain big hho bubbles, my ac/dc adapter gets very hoy in less than a minute. Why? Whe I made the other experiment using the same materials that I use in this experiment, my ac/dc adaptor was very very little hot and I used it a lot of minutes.
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 17, 2008, 04:46:59 PM

Hi Magnethos,

IMHO, your experiments are very interresting.

This let my think about the DallasGoldBug electrodes.
This guys manages to get some gas with distilled water
and DC current only (not pulsed and 'resonant' current Meyer-way)..
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4302 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4302)

Actually, IMHO again, electrodes shapes seems to be one of the keys of
very efficient electrolysis. Viktor Schauberger made amazing things
with water and shapes. What about the pyramids?

Best
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: Magnethos on July 17, 2008, 04:56:09 PM
@Nerzh
Thanks for the info. Yes, the electrodes are very important to get more or less hho gas. When you said the piramid I though in Kanarev low energy electrolysis
http://www.guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/electrolysis/index.html

As you can see in the picture, the Kanarev seems to be like a piramid. I have seen a video of his electrolyser and is awesome the amount of hho gas that he is getting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Q9gggJ3XA

Viktor Schauswerger was also a genius using water as energy. I have read a few about him, but he said that the motors of today are explosion motors and explosion means destruction. The universe works in a implosion fashion, so implosion means construction. He designed implosion engines but I haven?t seen any plans or picture of his motor, but I heard that he could get infinite energy from the implosion motors.

I haven?t heard about DallasGoldBug but I have seen some of his videos and yes... the electrodes are similar to my electrodes. One guy said to me that I could get more hho gas using the same energy, but using more plates. I only use tap water with no electrolites, no resonance and only DC @ 9Volts 0.5Amps. I have to build one device using 20 plates at least... if I can get that bubbles using only 2 plates, the amount of hho gas that I could get using 20 or 50 plates will be awesome. I can get hho gas from distilled water too.

I think that in 1 cm I can hold 5 to 10 plates. So, in 50 cms... I can put 250 to 500 plates... That sounds very good!!! The bad new is that the plates corrodes. I have seen a video where the electrodes that used a guy doesn?t corrodes and the electrolysis was clean with no ugly products in the water, because he used MAGNETIC stainless steel.

Here you can see the amount of hho gas that I?m able to obtain using only 4.5 Watt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYiGsMbHPCs
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: triffid on July 18, 2008, 07:40:11 PM
When you use more plates and the same energy you get more bubbles because you have more surface area.That is untill the voltage falls below 1.25 volts for each cell( for the brute force electrolysis you are using).With your 20 cell setup and the same power(9volts I believe).I dont think you will see bubbles.Because the voltage falls below 1.25 for each cell(about.45 volts).Now pulse that same voltage and you will get bubbles.Also when something gets hot you are wasting energy(ie.using too much).Happy experimenting.Triffid
Title: Re: What do you think about my electrolyser? Is more efficient?
Post by: triffid on July 18, 2008, 07:48:57 PM
I was thinking about the solution getting hot when the energy is being wasted .The fact that it was your ac/dc adapter you were talking about changes my response.More current is being drawn through the adapter than before.A little more than its designed forI would guess.Triffid