What do you think
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ox005EPI3mI
Interesting.. Wonder how long it spun for.
I have seen motors like this before, but this one spins a lot faster.. it is real, but can it be up scaled and create enough energy to be useful?
Jason
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 03:13:57 PM
Interesting.. Wonder how long it spun for.
It won't stop.. until someone stops it.. if you notice the wheel slows down and then speeds up.
Jason
Hmmm...interesting. What's weird is the simple setup. I have no magnet motor experience but it it's weird that noone tried this simple setup before? Btw what is that coper wire doing? Time to invite the gentleman in here.
He has made a very low friction bearing by using the magnets in replusion mode. I would of liked to seen it go 10 minutes or more.
2 minutes is easy enough to do with small bearings and no magnets, which has been shown many times before.
It is the pulsing effect that is interesting, someone under the table with another magnet maybe?
Not enough to go on, but better video promised(sort of) in the comments.
According to the comments he said he recorded it on the ground.
Atleast it is a very simple one for everyone to replicate.
CD case and usin the top and bottom clear inserts and a few round neos!
"iridium magnets", what are those ?
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 03:32:08 PM
Atleast it is a very simple one for everyone to replicate.
CD case and usin the top and bottom clear inserts and a few round neos!
True.. I will try in like an hour.. Having a late lunch with my gf in a few minutes.
Quote from: JoinTheFun on July 28, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
"iridium magnets", what are those ?
I'm pretty sure he meant neodynium, both got "ium" in them.
He seems to have very fine 30+ AWG copper wire coils going round the top and bottom platters, one would need a good hires photo and details of magnet strength and wire guage to replicate all the other dimensions could be worked back from the photos if taken from various angles.
The system also seems to be driving a load as well as overcoming friction, allbeit a very high impedance DMM reading Voltage.
All in all a very intruiging little clip, nice find Clanzer!
Cool! I think he just put a little coil under it so he could say it was generating power.
Jason
funny
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 03:51:02 PM
Cool! I think he just put a little coil under it so he could say it was generating power.
Jason
Yep, he's got some coil arrangement on the bottom platter, difficult to make out the wind, maybe he winds round the bottom neos. That bottom wind is driving the DMM.
But also, look at the top platter as he places it on, you can see what appears to be a loose helix wind going all the way round the circumference, this isn't connected to anything and it maybe a closed loop with head joined to tail.
Quote from: JoinTheFun on July 28, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
"iridium magnets", what are those ?
The four common ones are
Neodymium Iron Boron (NdFeB or NIB)
Samarium Cobalt (SmCo)
Alnico
Ceramic or Ferrite
Must admit I have never heard of Iridium.
Quote from: zapnic on July 28, 2008, 03:52:35 PM
he he coils coils like tpu
funny
I don't believe the coil has anything to do with it spinning.. just collecting energy.. this device will work (spin) without the coil.
Jason
I have asked him to repeat the experiment with an analog AC voltmeter (not digital) and with the connecting wires shielded from the magnets.
There are batteries inside a digital meter that may be giving some pulses out. And the moving magnets are inducing some current too.
If the loop is open, then it becomes really interesting. Its too easy to replicate, so we should know very soon.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
The four common ones are
Neodymium Iron Boron (NdFeB or NIB)
Samarium Cobalt (SmCo)
Alnico
Ceramic or Ferrite
Must admit I have never heard of Iridium.
I think he meant Neodymium
Jason
He posted this info here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdtYMQ1dik&feature=related
"Magnets used are 10mm by 4mm, i don't know what type they are. The magnets are indeed wired together. All magnets have their north pole facing upwords."
And
"it just keep going and going " ;)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
He has made a very low friction bearing by using the magnets in replusion mode.
QuoteAll magnets have their north pole facing upwords.
I guess we can revoke that theory.
You clearly see at around 40 seconds that the rotor is floating, which mean they are hided magnet under the black case, so if hided magnet is used, he could also hide a coil to pulse the rotor!
So the rotor is not using any kind of bearing, just magnet repulsion, its why the rotor turn very well without friction
Quote from: Omega_0 on July 28, 2008, 04:10:10 PM
He posted this info here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdtYMQ1dik&feature=related
"Magnets used are 10mm by 4mm, i don't know what type they are. The magnets are indeed wired together. All magnets have their north pole facing upwords."
And
"it just keep going and going " ;)
Suppose the other video on that link from his brother should give it away really.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xxONz7HasB4
Think these guys are out to fool for a bit of fun ;D
Shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. This setup doesn't need morality to prove itself. It can be easily built by anyone who has played with magnet motors in 10 min to confirm or dismiss it.
Having fun or generating traffic for the publisher's site.
Or both, hehe.
Then again, 5:8 ratio, never balance, never give up.
Quote
He has made a very low friction bearing by using the magnets in replusion mode.
Quote
All magnets have their north pole facing upwords.
Quote from: broli on July 28, 2008, 04:13:25 PM
I guess we can revoke that theory.
I would not revoke it too fast
As TheOne points out at 40 seconds that the rotor is floating. This would not happen if N pole were facing up on all Rotor and Stator magnets?
I will stay open minded as usual, and would love to see a new video from these guys with it on a glass table and running another magnet over the existing magnets to show the poles.
Cheers
Sean.
I would like to see someone from here that we can trust build this.. so simple. I don't have the magnets.. but if no one will build it.. I'll buy them. The top wheel has 3 magnets stacked and the bottom has only one magnet (at each point).. I don't think that the magnets have to be tied together with a wire, but maybe?
Jason
Well it is easy to replicate.. I just tried it.. I used 8 sets in the center and stator and used 8 on the wheel..Not 6.. Its harder to balance only 6 sets.. But anyways.. Best I could do was get it to spin for a couple minutes and then it oscilates and comes to a stop with an aparent wall.
I used 48 neo's. 2 on the oposing sides and 1 on the bottom or top to hold the two neos.
# Dimensions: 10mm dia. x 2mm thick
# Tolerances: ?0.04mm x ?0.04mm
# Material: NdFeB, Grade N35
# Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
# Magnetization Direction: Axial (Poles on Flat Ends)
# Weight: 0.0412 oz. (1.17 g)
# Pull Force: 7.98 lbs
# Surface Field: 2450 Gauss
# Brmax: 12,100 Gauss
# BHmax: 35 MGOe
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
I would like to see someone from here that we can trust build this.. so simple. I don't have the magnets.. but if no one will build it.. I'll buy them. The top wheel has 3 magnets stacked and the bottom has only one magnet (at each point).. I don't think that the magnets have to be tied together with a wire, but maybe?
Jason
Have not got enough disc magnets here, plenty of small ring magnets, but not 10mm * 4mm.
Also after spending half the day out in the workshop working on another project, I cannot be assed to go out there again ;D
Will see how others do in the next couple of days and if no one has tried will order up some magnets of same size and see if she goes.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
Well it is easy to replicate.. I just tried it.. I used 8 sets in the center and stator and used 8 on the wheel..Not 6.. Its harder to balance only 6 sets.. But anyways.. Best I could do was get it to spin for a couple minutes and then it oscilates and comes to a stop with an aparent wall.
I used 48 neo's. 2 on the oposing sides and 1 on the bottom or top to hold the two neos.
# Dimensions: 10mm dia. x 2mm thick
# Tolerances: ?0.04mm x ?0.04mm
# Material: NdFeB, Grade N35
# Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
# Magnetization Direction: Axial (Poles on Flat Ends)
# Weight: 0.0412 oz. (1.17 g)
# Pull Force: 7.98 lbs
# Surface Field: 2450 Gauss
# Brmax: 12,100 Gauss
# BHmax: 35 MGOe
Good stuff mate
So were all your poles facing North upwards on Rotor and Stator, or did you try different combo's?
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 04:23:49 PM
Suppose the other video on that link from his brother should give it away really.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xxONz7HasB4
Think these guys are out to fool for a bit of fun ;D
Normally that would be enough to convince me that it is a hoax, but I have seen other magnetic wheels like this that somewhat worked, but eventually stopped.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
Good stuff mate
So were all your poles facing North upwards on Rotor and Stator, or did you try different combo's?
Cheers
Sean.
I tried many variations.. and even lost a few flying mags.. LOL.. But it you can make it levitate.. It always has the same results.. Spins, oscilates, stops.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
Well it is easy to replicate.. I just tried it.. I used 8 sets in the center and stator and used 8 on the wheel..Not 6.. Its harder to balance only 6 sets.. But anyways.. Best I could do was get it to spin for a couple minutes and then it oscilates and comes to a stop with an aparent wall.
I used 48 neo's. 2 on the oposing sides and 1 on the bottom or top to hold the two neos.
# Dimensions: 10mm dia. x 2mm thick
# Tolerances: ?0.04mm x ?0.04mm
# Material: NdFeB, Grade N35
# Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
# Magnetization Direction: Axial (Poles on Flat Ends)
# Weight: 0.0412 oz. (1.17 g)
# Pull Force: 7.98 lbs
# Surface Field: 2450 Gauss
# Brmax: 12,100 Gauss
# BHmax: 35 MGOe
So do you think the video is real or a hoax?
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
I would like to see someone from here that we can trust build this.. so simple. I don't have the magnets.. but if no one will build it.. I'll buy them. The top wheel has 3 magnets stacked and the bottom has only one magnet (at each point).. I don't think that the magnets have to be tied together with a wire, but maybe?
Jason
It looks to me that the bottom disc has two magnets at each point, one on each side, but then maybe its a reflection, though I doubt it because I think he is using the attraction to hold the magnets on the disc as I don't see any sign of adhesive anywhere.
As to the wires on the top and bottom discs, who knows, maybe the induced fields in both the top and bottom wires interact in some weird chaotic manner to sustain rotation, but then maybe not? :P
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 05:10:43 PM
So do you think the video is real or a hoax?
If it is real.. He balanced it better than I did, so perhaps the oscialations come later for him and he can get it to spin past 10min.. But I guarantee it comes to a stop..
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:06:21 PM
I tried many variations.. and even lost a few flying mags.. LOL.. But it you can make it levitate.. It always has the same results.. Spins, oscilates, stops.
Did you try tying them together with a 30 gauge wire.. I have never seen that before.. only thing I can see different than other wheels I've seen.
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 05:13:51 PM
Did you try tying them together with a 30 gauge wire.. I have never seen that before.. only thing I can see different than other wheels I've seen.
Jason
30 gauge steel wire? I'll look around and see if I have some.. If I do.. I will try it for you. Could you see a wire in his vid.. I gotta watch it again to see.
Quote from: Yucca on July 28, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
It looks to me that the bottom disc has two magnets at each point, one on each side, but then maybe its a reflection, though I doubt it because I think he is using the attraction to hold the magnets on the disc as I don't see any sign of adhesive anywhere.
As to the wires on the top and bottom discs, who knows, maybe the induced fields in both the top and bottom wires interact in some weird chaotic manner to sustain rotation, but then maybe not? :P
Ya, maybe it is two magnets on the bottom at each point.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:15:44 PM
30 gauge steel wire? I'll look around and see if I have some.. If I do.. I will try it for you. Could you see a wire in his vid.. I gotta watch it again to see.
Yep the top wheel has the magnets tied together with a wire.
Jason
Oh shit.. I watched it again and just noticed the wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I of missed this.. Ok.. gonna look around for some wire.. Maybe that will allow it to spin longer? Will let you know.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:18:13 PM
Oh shit.. I watched it again and just noticed the wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I of missed this.. Ok.. gonna look around for some wire.. Maybe that will allow it to spin longer? Will let you know.
Good luck therealrasta! ;)
he uses very thin wire, looks like speaker coil wire or something like that, not suprised you missed it, when I first watched it I thought the top wire was just swirly scratches on the disc. The top wind is helix coming up of the disk into the air, the bottom wind I can't see, to me it looks like the wires go from the DMM leads and just go to two of the stator neos but I could be wrong on that? If it works, I suspect the top wire will be a closed loop.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:18:13 PM
Oh shit.. I watched it again and just noticed the wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I of missed this.. Ok.. gonna look around for some wire.. Maybe that will allow it to spin longer? Will let you know.
What have you done to make the rotor float over the magnet?
Could not find any 30 gauge steel wire.. So I bridged the mags with steel needles.. Maybe the same effect as steel wires? Still does the same thing , rotates, oscialtes, then stops.
So if it is real.. Then maybe the wires coming from the lower mags connected to the meters are actually the true driving force? Would try and hook up my meter but like I said no steel wire.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:26:54 PM
Could not find any 30 gauge steel wire.. So I bridged the mags with steel needles.. Maybe the same effect as steel wires? Still does the same thing , rotates, oscialtes, then stops.
So if it is real.. Then maybe the wires coming from the lower mags connected to the meters are actually the true driving force? Would try and hook up my meter but like I said no steel wire.
You could try very thin copper wire, just get any multistrand copper cable, like 9v powerbrick lead cable and strip off insulation then you'll get many strands of thin copper wire. Then try and wind the top like lots of springs joining each neo. I don't have enough neos to try this.
P.S. I don't have a clue about the bottom wire config.
Quote from: TheOne on July 28, 2008, 05:26:32 PM
What have you done to make the rotor float over the magnet?
Simple..
1. 8 sets of 1 mag on the bottom of the lower wheel with 2 on top with north facing up around the inner groove of the cd. I got the locations by splitting the disc like a pie with a square and marker to be exact..
2. 8 sets of 1 mag on the top of the upper wheel with 2 on the bottom with north facing down. I put them on the outside edge of the cd.. I got the locations by splitting the disc like a pie with a square and marker to be exact..
3.Did the same with as 1 and 2.. Just replace north with south.
4.Tried it with steel needles to bridge the upper disc mags.. Put the needles on the top of the upper disc..
Findings = Rotates, Oscilates, then stops.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
Simple..
1. 8 sets of 1 mag on the bottom of the lower wheel with 2 on top with north facing up around the inner groove of the cd. I got the locations by splitting the disc like a pie with a square and marker to be exact..
2. 8 sets of 1 mag on the top of the upper wheel with 2 on the bottom with north facing down. I put them on the outside edge of the cd.. I got the locations by splitting the disc like a pie with a square and marker to be exact..
3.Did the same with as 1 and 2.. Just replace north with south.
4.Tried it with steel needles to bridge the upper disc mags.. Put the needles on the top of the upper disc..
Findings = Rotates, Oscilates, then stops.
Those are the typical findings.. just hoped this one was different. :(
Jason
I have a slight slant on this one, Maybe the very fine wire (wind) on the bottom 2 mags ? connected to the DVM ( Very high impedance ) is generating a very small pulse with each passing top mag and if the coil of fine wire on the top which looks like it a continuous coil ? is picking this very small pulse up and therefore slightly bending the mag fields of the top rotor which may well be enough to keep the all thing slightly out of balance and keep rotating... Just thinking out loud :-\
If the video is real.. I think the wire has something to do with it.
wow...
no friction, no load, degrades, oscillates, stops.
well, no overunity here. No wonder, I cannot see
any water pump here. LOL.
I own a magnet - sorry no OU - and the 5$ meter
shows anything as long as the battery is low
and the lcd controller brownout doesnt work.
And where should the energy come from ?
there?s no back emf and no sec - even not the
tiniest glimp of a tesla coil. Every kid in school
nows that. (LOL -sorry, pls. ignore.)
BTW: nice magnetic hub
No way am I saying the vid is faked.. But it is obviously being driven buy the wires and or the meter on the lower discs.
Personally I think his stops though.. But he did not show that part in his vid.. I could be wrong of course.. Perhaps someone should send him a link to this thread and have him elaborate. I do not have a youtube account to post on his vid.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 06:00:48 PM
No way am I saying the vid is faked.. But it is obviously being driven buy the wires and or the meter on the lower discs.
Personally I think his stops though.. But he did not show that part in his vid.. I could be wrong of course.. Perhaps someone should send him a link to this thread and have him elaborate. I do not have a youtube account to post on his vid.
Do you think it might be something to do with the set of six magnets on the top plate putting it out of (or in to?) magnetic balance with the bottom plate? You have been doing with 8 sets on both plates, but I am just curious if the different number of sets makes a difference.
Thanks for trying this - can't wait to get home later and try for myself.
Peace!
Okay, did not plan to go back out in the dungeon.
But here is a quick video to show that a small coil around a few magnets does not do alot.
Now if I had a electromagnet out of camera view and pulsed that I am sure the small coil would pick it up and would move the meter as well as the magnets on the Rotor :)
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRnotsoWorkingzero-pointenergymagnetmotor.wmv
Bed this end.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: squegee69 on July 28, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
Do you think it might be something to do with the set of six magnets on the top plate putting it out of (or in to?) magnetic balance with the bottom plate? You have been doing with 8 sets on both plates, but I am just curious if the different number of sets makes a difference.
Thanks for trying this - can't wait to get home later and try for myself.
Peace!
I did try 6 on top at first and gave it a whirl.. But it seems slightly harder to balance so I changed it to 8 just for the ease of it.. Don't think the number of mags make any difference at all as long as you have enough to form a good magnetic repulsive effect and are symmetrical. In, fact.. I think the more mags you have the smoother the spin.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 28, 2008, 06:15:45 PM
Okay, did not plan to go back out in the dungeon.
But here is a quick video to show that a small coil around a few magnets does not do alot.
Now if I had a electromagnet out of camera view and pulsed that I am sure the small coil would pick it up and would move the meter as well as the magnets on the Rotor :)
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRnotsoWorkingzero-pointenergymagnetmotor.wmv
Bed this end.
Cheers
LOL ;D .. Yeah your vid proves a shit ton to the validity of this claim.
Taking a closer look.. I don't think the bottom magnets are in a perfect circle.. I think the magnets near the bottom are a little farther out from the center than the rest.
Quote from: therealrasta on July 28, 2008, 06:16:34 PM
I did try 6 on top at first and gave it a whirl.. But it seems slightly harder to balance so I changed it to 8 just for the ease of it.. Don't think the number of mags make any difference at all as long as you have enough to form a good magnetic repulsive effect and are symmetrical. In, fact.. I think the more mags you have the smoother the spin.
Thank you for trying.
That's kind of along the lines I was thinking - I got a mental image of the bottom magnets being the "road" and the top magnets being the "tire". The more on the bottom, the less potholes you run into. The fewer on top, the fewer times the "tires" actually makes contact with the potholes to get slowed down. Also kind of like the mysterious way the OCPMM comes to life when only one rotor is allowed to turn.
Of course, this is all purely theoretical since I am still sober and have not got home to put it to the whiskey test yet.
Peace!
-Sq
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 06:21:09 PM
Taking a closer look.. I don't think the bottom magnets are in a perfect circle.. I think the magnets near the bottom are a little farther out from the center than the rest.
I kinda tried it that way too.. but then you get this slant on the top disc and it rubs the center cd case axle and stops even faster.
Not saying it IS faked .... but:
Check out his other stuff like this: (he states he's a 3'd/video guy)
http://uk.youtube.com/user/alan3djoseph
(or the one from his brother 'levitating' etc...)
it is a stop-animation 'robot' video merged into a video of a person struggling to look like 1 movie.
As mentioned before - best guess is a short loop of the spinning disks merged into video with clock.
(rather than a fake by electromagnet/hand magnet/airgun etc)
Another clue - someone saying they are using 'irridium' magnet (LOL) doesn't know much about magnets.
ok - whiskey kicked in, and some interesting initial findings.
Using neo's here, square n48's and cylindrical n12's. The n48's are some real knuckle-busters.
Tried various combinations of square n48's on the bottom (ya I know, major strong) with n12's on the top, kept throwing the top plate off the spindle, but when reversed to 48's on top and 12's on the bottom, I could make the 48's spin quite a while before oscillating to a stop - about 9 minutes so far. Sorry, it's all I have here at the house, I need to get some of these smaller pill-shaped neos.
Does it look like the video shows less magnets per stack on the bottom? There is definitely a correllation between wieght and force, just can't tell how significant yet. Of course, it could be the whiskey talking, but definitely got the brain lubed and curious now. Gotta love gravity!
Peace!
-Sq
This illusion is similar to Candle power
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QVgR96lfI
Notice he carefully scans the leads of the meter at 8 minutes to two in order to convince you that the meter leads are indeed connected to the device. (thou doth convince too loudly)
Then it takes him to ten after two to start the device, a full eighteen minutes later. He needs that time to switch and dress the leads as close as possible to the earlier setup.
In that time lapse he connects a different set of leads to the meter. You can notice the twist and lay of the leads is different at this point.
Now you are not able to see where the leads that connect to the fine wires go. You assume they still connect to the meter. Rather, they go to a small pulser circuit that is off camera. (Some people like to inject the signal directly into the meter leads using pins, again off camera.) At the instant he spins the top assembly an assistant turns on the pulser.
In the candle power video, you are not shown where the clip leads go that hang over the board. This is off camera in the second shot. They go to a battery.
Watch both videos carefully, the clues become obvious. He should have at least had the good sense to reset the clock for a more convincing trick.
Not a bad illusion though....V.
Quote from: capthook on July 29, 2008, 12:19:28 AM
Not saying it IS faked .... but:
Check out his other stuff like this: (he states he's a 3'd/video guy)
http://uk.youtube.com/user/alan3djoseph
(or the one from his brother 'levitating' etc...)
it is a stop-animation 'robot' video merged into a video of a person struggling to look like 1 movie.
As mentioned before - best guess is a short loop of the spinning disks merged into video with clock.
(rather than a fake by electromagnet/hand magnet/airgun etc)
Another clue - someone saying they are using 'irridium' magnet (LOL) doesn't know much about magnets.
RETRACTION: it is TOTALLY A FAKE
Watch it again full screen- in slow motion or just click the pause button a bunch to start and stop it....
(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ox005EPI3mI)
It starts spinning clockwise - then switches to COUNTERCLOCKWISE. (over and over) So not even a good fake loop....
LOL
True they do stop and start taping and they could have hooked up the leads to a pulse as they go out of view.. but it is not looped.. check the second hand on the clock..
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 29, 2008, 02:38:29 AM
True they do stop and start taping and they could have hooked up the leads to a pulse as they go out of view.. but it is not looped.. check the second hand on the clock..
Jason
It is 2 videos super-imposed into 1!
Video 1: a short loop of the disks spinning clockwise and then COUNTERCLOCKWISE over and over.
(a forwards and backwards loop of a few seconds of video)
Video 2: a movie of the clock
superimpose video 1 with video 2 to get the full video.
Did you rewatch it, full screen, and click the pause button over and over?
Start @ time 1:05.... around 1:08 it changes direction and continues to over and over....
I didn't realize that could be done.. clever kids.
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 29, 2008, 02:55:55 AM
I didn't realize that could be done.. clever kids.
Jason
Example videosoftware that does superimposing of multiple videos:
ULEAD VideoStudio $109.00
http://www.ulead.com/vs/features_2.htm
"Tools for Creative Power
The Overlay step allows you to superimpose video or image clips over existing clips in your project by placing each in the Overlay Track.
Clips in the Overlay Track can be animated and made to look transparent over the clips in the Video Track.
Also, fading effects can be applied to superimposed clips.
Displays in the Library Panel the different overlay video clips that you can superimpose or insert over your existing videos.
-Combine Effects
Overlay videos can have transparency, mask and chroma key effects
-Chroma Key
Create some TV magic. Shoot your video subject against any uniform color and then superimpose over a shot of any background. "
- - -
Hollywood magic for $109 !
@Cap
Agreed.. It is not PM.. Whatever is going on there.. But the poster did not make any claims other than it was on the floor... So I did not bash him that much.. ;D
But after 30minutes of playing with it.. I knew everything I needed to know about it.
I phoned Joseph a few minutes ago to ask about this motor, to get some details about its assembly components, run time, etc.
Joseph replied, "I'll have to be honest with you. I'm a video editor by trade. There are three separate videos involved:" the motor, the clock, and the meter. He combined those to come up with the visual effect seen in the video. "I think it's pretty funny," he said, and he asked to let the spoof run out a little longer before exposing it. He's entertained by the responses it is generating quite prolifically.
I've posted this info here:
See http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki.com%2Fimages%2Fa%2Faa%2FAlan_josephs_magnetic_motor_300x300_byKevn.jpg&hash=68015265e139cb55b07e3339b530aca9bddc7c6e)
Quote from: sterlinga on July 29, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
I phoned Joseph a few minutes ago to ask about this motor, to get some details about its assembly components, run time, etc.
Joseph replied, "I'll have to be honest with you. I'm a video editor by trade. There are three separate videos involved:" the motor, the clock, and the meter. He combined those to come up with the visual effect seen in the video. "I think it's pretty funny," he said, and he asked to let the spoof run out a little longer before exposing it. He's entertained by the responses it is generating quite prolifically.
I've posted this info here:
See http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor)
Thanks for the info and the validation of my analysis of being multiple videos superimposed. I posted a comment on his youtube site similar to my comments here.
He replied on his youtube site and replied to my youtube site that it was not a hoax.
My comments on his youtube site have since been deleted.... guess he doesn't want the 'cat out of the bag' yet! ::)
Your comment:
"It does make a point about the validation process, and that a video alone is not adequate. That said, a video showing a walk-around, with different angles and shadows cast by the videographer, would be much more difficult to contrive in this manner."
With today's computer power/software it's become so much easier to fake a realistic video. Even the walk around can be faked. But - the shadows cast by the videographer during the walkaround would be DIFFICULT to do - but can still be done by someone with enough talent. :)
Thus - the only REAL validation of a device is replication by others producing the declared results.
(but the replications could all be hoax videos as well - oh dear! )
At least i was right about a hoax :)
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 28, 2008, 03:20:20 PM
I have seen motors like this before, but this one spins a lot faster.. it is real, but can it be up scaled and create enough energy to be useful?
Jason
He got me.. LOL.. I have learned my lesson.
Don't you people think it's a bit too convenient that he called it fake? I mean why admit it being fake? Doesn't make much sense to me. Of course the skeptics will love this. I'm open minded about everything. As long as the guy is willing to share under open source I don't care about his initial claims, even if it's a unicorn capturing device :p, as long as he open sources it it's all fine to me. If he doesn't get convinced I just tell him goodbye and move on.
Here's a message I received from alan3djoseph - the creator of the video in response to my comments posted on his youtube video:
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First of all: Congratulations on figuring out how i made this video!
Anyone with some basic knowledge of fisics should know that whyle static magnets have a force, one needs to put in energy to create Work. A magnet is just like a spring. It can only store energy. Creating energy is an entirely different matter. If people are actually ignorant enough to not see this and is willing to throw his or her money into replicating this 'device'. It's their own responsibillity. It's meant as a joke. Any good joke needs some time. I'll tell everyone it's video effects before it gets out off hands.
In the mean time, you'll understand my need to remove comments like yours. Nothing personal.
I really do hope someone will find a way to prove scientist wrong and create a working overunity device. But in the mean time. Let's not take anything to serious. A bit of fun never killed anyone.
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I responded along the lines of (didn't save the message)
Your video may be responsible for people spending money and wasting time trying to replicate the device. While you may think something like the device is impossible - and if people are stupid enough to believe it's real, too bad for them - there are many that believe it MAY be possible and are working to create one. To waste their time and money on replications as well as contributing to skeptisim of the general public that something like this may be possible with your fraud of a video - IS LAME!
Another device in the CLaNZeR museum, I cannot wait to buy a ticket and see his museum someday :)
This looks real. If the guy hadn't admitted to a hoax we would probably still be wondering. So if its so easy to fake a video, how to tell if its real or not? We can't believe or eyes anymore? What to do?
Quote from: TheOne on July 29, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
Another device in the CLaNZeR museum, I cannot wait to buy a ticket and see his museum someday :)
;D ;D
Very clever hoax, I`d like to see a tutorial of how the video was put together.
But easier to fake with a pulse coil/ rotating magnet off camera...
Seems like Silly Season has begun, here is another ;D ;D
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_o0E7nvEM
lol, coil under the table :)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 30, 2008, 06:26:07 AM
Seems like Silly Season has begun, here is another ;D ;D
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_o0E7nvEM
If only it was that simple.. :D
edit -- if any of you are crazy enough to try this.. use tape and not super glue. ::)
I think it's great that there are so many clowns like this fully willing to waste everyone's time. They make it harder to pick out the good ideas for consideration. I could think of a few jokes I'd like to play on their faces :)
AWWW come on guys and gals. I would not even try to call this a hoax. This was just plain fun all the way. He let it run for a bit and then when called on it, spilled that he was in fact into video and it was just video editing. Clean slate and a good job of it too. ;D
On the other side of the coin, if you had two platters with same poles out then it would bend it down trying to get to each other. Total lock up. Like poles and you will indeed get a mag bearing like the one I made. I bought a bunch of ferite 8's and made on ten inches in diam. Rotor had mags both sides set to an angle and two rings on the outside so it sat in a well. No way to balance it right but that thing would spin forever on a good hard push. And, there was no cogging, but you could feel a slight irregularity in the rotor if moved slowly.
Using small round mags, it would be easier to make that smaller and more strong so the outside of the rotor could be used for something useful.
thaelin
And... you notice, it had magnets and Clanzer was all over it. The man just loves magnets.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on July 30, 2008, 06:26:07 AM
Seems like Silly Season has begun, here is another ;D ;D
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_o0E7nvEM
That won't work if the magnet in his hand is stationary.. he has to move it around.. or the film was edited and running the motor on a battery. :) I agree nothing here... I don't think that this is a new idea.. I thought I've seen this before and they had to move the driving magnet back and forth to make it spin.
Jason
Quote from: capthook on July 29, 2008, 10:38:40 PM
I responded along the lines of (didn't save the message)
Your video may be responsible for people spending money and wasting time trying to replicate the device. While you may think something like the device is impossible - and if people are stupid enough to believe it's real, too bad for them - there are many that believe it MAY be possible and are working to create one. To waste their time and money on replications as well as contributing to skeptisim of the general public that something like this may be possible with your fraud of a video - IS LAME!
I don't think I'm stupid for thinking beyond conventional thinking.. I think there has to be a way to capture the energy from magnets and gravity. I think our best bet is to combine the two to make some kind of magnetic gravity wheel.
Now I'm more aware of the hoaxers.
Jason