Hello everyone! This is my first post. I am collaborating with a friend of mine. We are trying to replicate Meyer's Water Fuel Cell. I am doing a bit of research and have questions.
I have read that magnetic stainless steel solves the problem of scum build-up in the water. Is this true
?I found the following info regarding the magnetic properties of various kinds of stainless steel:
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Body centered cubic (ferritic 400 series) and body centered tetragonal (martensitic 400 series, PH grades) are ferromagnetic, meaning they are attracted to a magnet. Face centered cubic (200 and 300 series) are USUALLY not ferromagnetic, and aren't attracted.
If magnetic stainless does solve the problem of scum. Which kind of magnetic stainless tube should I use
? Where is a good place to buy it
?Did Stanley Meyer use magnetic stainless
? Do we know for sure which kind of stainless he used
?Sorry for all the questions. I want to buy the best components for our first replication. I have only found a few interesting posts regarding the magnetic stainless and have been unable to find a cheap supply of this material.
Quote from: JimW on July 28, 2008, 10:09:50 PM
Hello everyone! This is my first post. I am collaborating with a friend of mine. We are trying to replicate Meyer's Water Fuel Cell. I am doing a bit of research and have questions.
I have read that magnetic stainless steel solves the problem of scum build-up in the water. Is this true?
I found the following info regarding the magnetic properties of various kinds of stainless steel:If magnetic stainless does solve the problem of scum. Which kind of magnetic stainless tube should I use? Where is a good place to buy it?
Did Stanley Meyer use magnetic stainless? Do we know for sure which kind of stainless he used?
Sorry for all the questions. I want to buy the best components for our first replication. I have only found a few interesting posts regarding the magnetic stainless and have been unable to find a cheap supply of this material.
I am not being rude: you need to read every thing you can possibly get your hands on, and all of the material that is in this area, then ask questions. Stay with it, no matter how or what anyone says to you, they will be short and direct, and sometimes without pateince. Most of the people are real helpfull, but a few are not, some do not know the meaning of lamens speak, just remember you have started in the right direction. good luck
MILD BILL
Hi JimW,
I've always read that 316L stainless is best for HHO, which is non magnetic.
If you're doing meyer you need seamless pipes and I've also read that after any cold working of your pipes (sawing/ filing etc. )then you should have them bright annealed to even them out again. Also you need to condition pipes solwly in order to build up a white layer that acts as dielectric, it all seems like quite an art, I've only messed with stainless plates so far.
A member on this board called Ravzz seems to have produced some spectacular output using meyer replication, you may want to check his posts:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079.0
good luck with it all ;),
Fraser.
Ok, found what I read, it's a good doc;
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Ravi%20Cell.pdf
Fraser.
Thanks Yucca,
I wonder if the bit about magnetic stainless is true.
Quote from: JimW on July 29, 2008, 08:20:51 PM
Thanks Yucca,
I wonder if the bit about magnetic stainless is true.
I don't know for sure, but i've seen losts of people on videos checking their pipes (especially in joe cells) using magnets, they like it when the magnet isn't attracted at all. I'd go for non magnetic stainless if i had the choice.
Hello all. Forgive me for mistakes I'll make in being new to this forum (and to forums in general). I apologize in advance if any of my questions are obvious or inappropriate but I am not an engineer nor an electronics guru of any sort. I am - on my best day - an inventor that is fed up with the oil and energy situation. With that said, I too am looking for a supplier of the 316L stainless steel tubes as used in the Meyer WFC. I know this is an international forum so any supplier would need to be willing to ship to the U.S. if out of country. And as with many inventors (especially those of us in a country with an incompetent idiot as a leader) I need to try to stretch my funds as far as they will go so the less I spend, the sooner I can get busy with this project. I have read that the tube configuration seems to be more efficient by a considerable sum. If there is any information otherwise, would someone please point me in the right direction? I have done a search of the forums but I'm sure I will need to learn to be more effective to find the info I'm looking for. I have also read a short piece that suggested titanium might be used in a plate configuration with better results than steel...?
Thank you in advance for your patience and assistance.
-C-
Stan says T304, RAVI says something else. I use 304 from www.speedymetals.com Stan also demonstrated with plates for a variable gap. The tubes are configured to be waveguides which plates aren't so good at. Another example of a waveguide would be a cantenna. like this... http://www.cantenna.com/
Notice where the wire is connected to the can...
Thanks for the info Heair Bear. I really appreciate your help. With the 304 stainless, is it still critical to get it annealed or does it really matter with this alloy? It seems many people just use it as shipped with good results. As for the length, is there an optimal measurement for the tubes? It seems if they're too long, you might lose useable area from all of the bubbles displacing the water as they rise towards the top - especially with such a small gap (the longer the pipe, the more bubbles, right?).
Thanks for the quick reply and the info. This will help me get going. I have some interesting ideas that I'm slow to share just yet as I don't want to look like a fool if I'm wrong. If I'm not, I'll be sure to post all I learn.
-C-
Magentic stainless?maybe 409 or "304" and it can only be detected with a ceramic magnet other then that stainess should not have any magnetic properties. Try 316 stainless or Al6XN, Chromium, Hastiloy or inconel or use distilled water. type stainess materials on the internet
Thanks for the advice. I really don't know much about the grades of stainless steel that are out there. I understand there are more than I will ever need. The problem seems to be locating a manufacturer that makes the seamless tubing in the more exotic grades without placing a very expensive special order. Good info though. Any input is appreciated and investigated.
Thanks for the reply,
-C-
There's quite a few 316 stainless tubes and plates being sold on ebay.com, try searching for "HHO Stainless" or just "HHO"
The 304 plates are junks. I used several 302-304 plates Lowes electric wall plates ect. and after 2-3k miles of driving (no any electrolyte in the water only clean well water) they started to brake down. Every week I had to change the water, because it became brown, and I noticed slowly my plates (-) are getting smaller and smaller than the (+) plates. Now I'm going with the 316 plates and let see.
I have access to some 316 plate material or tube if you want to try this I'll send you some pieces. I need size. I can not send too much because of the weight and cost of postage.
Let me know I like to help but remember! If you make millions don?t forget me. lol Hey if you to watch your spendings then go out and buy "TIG" rods, 316 and it should only cost you maybe a dollar or two for maybe 5-6 pieces. experament. Welding supply stores have this. If not let me know..I do