Hi all,
How about this one... have you seen it?
The OC MPMM - Alsetalokin's Video [2008/01/04]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI
Jason
Do some research and you will see a lot of peoples replicated without success here!
Quote from: TheOne on August 01, 2008, 08:00:42 AM
Do some research and you will see a lot of peoples replicated without success here!
Perhaps more precise - where exact?
khabe
Quote from: khabe on August 01, 2008, 08:13:03 AM
Perhaps more precise - where exact?
khabe
The main thread is at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.0.html
Be warned it is a long thread
Bit of history on it
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:OC_MPMM_Magnet_Motor
My replication and details under the Whipmag links
http://www.overunity.org.uk
Fizzx forums where the guys are still trying
http://www.fizzx.com
Hope this helps
Cheers
Sean.
Thanks!
@Sean
Wow!! I like your site.. a lot of nice work!
Still waiting for the parts to finish your replica of the MPMM?
I like the tri-gates!!
In the ramp video the magnet rolls off the ends of the ramp.. If you blocked the ends of the ramp, would gravity be enough to start it rolling the other way so it would roll back and forth continuously? I think you have something there! It seems that these gates could be used to spin a wheel also.. many ways to configure them.. very excited about the gates!
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate13.wmv
Once again great work!
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on August 01, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
@Sean
Wow!! I like your site.. a lot of nice work!
You'll like it even more when he gets the forums fixed! ;)
(Hi Sean :-*)
I was thinking about the gates.. do you have to turn the magnet around to go the other direction?
Jason
Hi Sean and all,
I quickly made a rough graphic of a magnet motor using tri-gates.. it uses 12 gates..
What do you think?
Jason
Edit: Ignore the spoke lines and circles.. just used them for a reference to draw the gates.
Thinking about my design for the Tri-Gate Motor (TGM).. I would use slightly bigger/stronger magnets than Sean's new magnets, but not the giant monster magnets that were in the first videos. This motor lies down flat.. graphic top view. I like the fact that it is a balanced motor.
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on August 01, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
@Sean
Wow!! I like your site.. a lot of nice work!
Still waiting for the parts to finish your replica of the MPMM?
I pull it out every now and then and have a play. Final video is here I did for the Whipmag
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBE4MfSVTHE
Quote
I like the tri-gates!!
In the ramp video the magnet rolls off the ends of the ramp.. If you blocked the ends of the ramp, would gravity be enough to start it rolling the other way so it would roll back and forth continuously? I think you have something there! It seems that these gates could be used to spin a wheel also.. many ways to configure them.. very excited about the gates!
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate13.wmv
Once again great work!
You need to turn the Roller around to get it to go the opposite way.
Loads of people played with the Tri-Gates and tried many things, so worth checking out the threads in these forums.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: 0c on August 01, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
You'll like it even more when he gets the forums fixed! ;)
(Hi Sean :-*)
;D ;D ;D
Hi mate ::) hehe
Quote from: 4Tesla on August 02, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Hi Sean and all,
I quickly made a rough graphic of a magnet motor using tri-gates.. it uses 12 gates..
What do you think?
Jason
Edit: Ignore the spoke lines and circles.. just used them for a reference to draw the gates.
Nice picture
Problem is as soon as you close the loop the Tri-Gates become one big magnet and you have no movement at all.
You need to have blocks of Tri-Gates that are spaced apart enough from each other, but then you hit sticky spots on entry rather than exit.
Keep playing though, as you may hit upon something.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 02, 2008, 06:39:39 AM
Problem is as soon as you close the loop the Tri-Gates become one big magnet and you have no movement at all.
I'm green to magnetics.. I didn't know about the closed loop.. What if you put in a copper shield? Would that break the loop? There probably be a sticky point there, but the other magnet on the other side of the rotor might be able to pull it through?
What do you think?
Jason
Or if that doesn't break up the loop maybe three shields?
Copper is not a very good shielding material. It would most likely just introduce Lenz losses. There is one thing I have wondered about, though. How would a bifilar pancake coil work intead? Is it possible, with the correct spacing and orientation to leverage a gain from one of these?
I'm no expert in these matters. Just thinking "what if?".
Quote from: 0c on August 02, 2008, 01:57:26 PM
Copper is not a very good shielding material. It would most likely just introduce Lenz losses. There is one thing I have wondered about, though. How would a bifilar pancake coil work intead? Is it possible, with the correct spacing and orientation to leverage a gain from one of these?
I'm no expert in these matters. Just thinking "what if?".
Thanks for the info.. I did a google on magnetic shielding and found that a "super conductor" would for the most part shield a magnetic field.. what other super conductor would work best? I don't know anything about a bifilar panake coil.. I'll have to look into it.
Jason
Here is another graphic using gwhy!'s idea of using gaps!
Or gaps in thirds so both ends of the rotor aren't in a gap at the same time.. I think this is the best setup so far.. thanks to gwhy! I just modified my old graphic.. I would make all three sections use the same number of gates which I couldn't do with my old graphic.
Jason
hehe.. I said 12 gates at the top of the thread.. it was 16 gates... anyone know an easy way to draw a 15 point pie.
Thanks,
Jason
I found the easiest way to make a 15 point pie is to use MS Excel.. I'll work on adding the gates and rotor later..
gwhy! thinks it won't work because of repulsion at the entrance of the arrays, but I'm hoping that since only one end of the rotor is going through a gap at a time that the other magnet will push it through... also we can try and modify the entrance to the arrays.. I think overall it is a good design.
Jason
I not good enough with graphic to draw this.. the angle for the gates equilateral triangle is 60 degrees (30 degrees from the spoke line)... I want the inner part of the gates to touch each other.. also it has to be scaled so that the outer part of the gates aren't too far apart from the next gate, as gwhy! points out in his latest video that could create a problem... combine the last two graphics and you get the idea.
Jason
After 3 hours.. I finally finished this graphic..
Jason
Started new thread...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5294.0/topicseen.html
Quote from: 4Tesla on August 03, 2008, 01:30:59 AM
After 3 hours.. I finally finished this graphic..
Jason
Hi Jason
Here are some Rotor Videos that were tried
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate-Rotor1.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate-Rotor2.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate-Rotor3.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate-Rotor4.wmv
Cheers
Sean.