hi all,
would a non profit organization bank be possible and do you think it would change the world for better?
Ok I can offer my free service as a bank, just send me all your money I will manage it ;)
I'm serious...
I am thinking more of an Open Source Organization Bank. A system where no one can cheat or that is run away with your money. A system where everyone benefits, with zero interest for life, plus other benefits for everyone, etc...
I am not sure exactly how it would work but I do know it would have to be Open Source and Non Profit.
That would be great if the billion made by them in profit will return in the client pocket
Its weird they are no gov that own bank and do that, doing that would make the habitant more rich, more rich mean more money in the economy, not in the pocket of a few ass that own the bank.
To start a bank you need money, its like the egg and chicken. You cannot do that without money.
Howdy Y'all,
I think what you are talking about is called a Treasury. A secure non-interest bearing safe place to store your gold. This is what a "bank" is supposed to be. The people who ran the Treasury long ago were worthy of trust. But they learned to steal, and then had to justify their theft and invented interest. This progressed into compounded interest and then they were stealing your gold on a daily basis. These "bankers" are the most vile form of humanity. They convince you to store your gold in their "bank" then they siphon off your gold while you are not looking. Then you say "where is all my gold?" They reply "Oh, well there are fees, and interest, and penalties, and you are not a very good customer, I guess we will just cancel your account." These common thieves have hoodwinked the entire world. They should all be hanged by their necks in public. That is too good for them. They should be ripped apart by the most horrendous mechanized meat grinding machine with dull blades. They have literally stolen the wealth of the entire world, and they will pay dearly with their lives. Then after they are gone people will store their gold in their own safe in their house...
Blessed Be Brothers...
thanks for the input guys.
well it seems like anyone can open up a non profit organization, so how can we the people open up an open source non profit organization bank for the people by the people? doing this we can completely eliminate all other banks :) hehehe
peace
Stefan if you are reading this it seems like I can't edit my first post on this topic. Is there anyway you can change the topic to Open Source Non-profit Organization Bank? - off topic
or maybe give me access to change it?
thanks
Quote from: z.monkey on August 04, 2008, 10:41:14 PM
Howdy Y'all,
I think what you are talking about is called a Treasury. A secure non-interest bearing safe place to store your gold. This is what a "bank" is supposed to be. The people who ran the Treasury long ago were worthy of trust. But they learned to steal, and then had to justify their theft and invented interest. This progressed into compounded interest and then they were stealing your gold on a daily basis. These "bankers" are the most vile form of humanity. They convince you to store your gold in their "bank" then they siphon off your gold while you are not looking. Then you say "where is all my gold?" They reply "Oh, well there are fees, and interest, and penalties, and you are not a very good customer, I guess we will just cancel your account." These common thieves have hoodwinked the entire world. They should all be hanged by their necks in public. That is too good for them. They should be ripped apart by the most horrendous mechanized meat grinding machine with dull blades. They have literally stolen the wealth of the entire world, and they will pay dearly with their lives. Then after they are gone people will store their gold in their own safe in their house...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Well Said!!!
I am feeling good about this one.
well im out, see you guys tomorrow.
Howdy Y'all,
The US National Treasury Bank (Public Entity) is supposed to supersede the Federal Reserve Bank (Private Entity) when the bottom falls out of the fiat money economy. The National Treasury Bank will revert to the gold and precious metal standards and there are not supposed to be any fractional reserves. This is what honest banking should be. I can see that there will need to be Treasury Banks at the intermediate and local levels as well. These will be State and City Treasury Banks. What I understand this is all in the works, behind the scenes, being accomplished by lighted, honest people. We will see and end to the hyper greed and avarice caused by a fiat money economy. The new banking system will put an end to money laundering, inflation, secret transfers of large sums of money, and all the other sublime trickery we are accustomed to with the fiat money system. Truth in banking is something that I am looking forward to...
Blessed Be Brothers...
any lawyers out there? can this happen?
Howdy FreeEnergy,
I believe that the law already exists in the original constitution.
See reply #33 in this thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4809.0/topicseen.html
The Federal Corporate Government enveloped the Constitutional Government very quietly. They could not just walk in, declare our government was not to their liking, establish their dictatorship and burn the Constitution. They had to do it very quietly over a long period of time. Federal Corporate Law enveloped the Constitutional Common Law quietly, stealthfully. This is to our advantage. When we peel away the thousands of layers of corporate law by repealing unlawful laws that were passed by the Illuminati controlled government what is left at the core is the Lawful Constitution of the United States.
At this point I need to distinguish between Lawful, Legal, Unlawful, and Illegal. Lawful and Unlawful pertain to Common Law and the Constitution. This is what is special about the United States of America and the Constitution, our core law is based on common law. When things are referred to being Lawful or Unlawful this pertains to its state of being congruent with the Constitution of the United States of America. When something is referred to as being Legal or Illegal this pertains to its state of being congruent with Federal Corporate Law. The Federal Reserve Bank operates wholly under Federal Corporate Law, it doesn't recognize Constitutional Common Law whatsoever. Federal Corporate Law is wholly unlawful under Constitutional Common Law. There is a phrase in the Constitution which states that all Americans have inalienable rights and that no law shall supersede the Constitution. Well this is one they don't teach in public schools anymore because Federal Corporate Law completely ignores Constitutional Common Law, that is unlawful via the Constitution and Federal Corporate Law is wholly unlawful and unconstitutional.
So, in essence what we have to do to get our National Treasury Banks back is to peel away the unlawful thousands of layers of Federal Corporate Law, declare them unconstitutional and throw them away. This will eliminate like 95% of the law here. It will make the law a lot easier to understand, and we can eliminate the lawyers, a major reason that the law is like this in the first place. In the future lawyers will not have the ability to hold office. Did you know the Leadership of the Bar Association is in Brittain? Did you know that we live under the British Admirality? America is ruled by Britain because Federal Corporate Law is congruent with British Maritime Admirality. That gold fringe around the flag in the courtrooms signifies British Admirality ruling in American courtrooms. There is much about the law that would make you shocked and dismayed.
If you search the internet for these topics you can learn a lot more.
Blessed Be Brothers...
If you just hold money in a bank then your only investing in a currency. Since the money supply keeps rising, it's a bad investment, as it's value keeps going down. So people put their money in banks to earn a 3% interest, which the banks make out of thin air anyways. That 3% isn't from their investments with your money, as many think. But unless your betting on deflation, it's best not to invest in currency. There should be a template, so anyone can open up a fund/bank, with whatever rules. This way a fund can be directed at anything, with whatever percentage of cash in a volt vs money invested. Everyone should be respondsible for their own money, when you give it to banks, your giving them buying power, and that's how they own almost everything, and have more power then any government.
Hi All,
Check out:
http://coppercards.com
They are in the process of creating exactly such a bank, where all benefit, and the value of capital is NOT tied to the US Dollar or the federal reserve. As I best understand it, everyone who uses the bank does so with no fees - but the total value is slightly inflated to cover only operating expenses.
You can read more about it in Melinda Pilsbury Foster's columns at http://www.nolanchart.com
Howdy Y'all,
This Copper Cards thing looks promising. I will have to read more about it to understand it fully. They have the right idea, cut through all the Federal Corporate Law and return to Constitutional Common Law. This is a ray of light from the end of the tunnel...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Quote from: FreeEnergy on August 04, 2008, 02:02:38 AM
hi all,
would a non profit organization bank be possible and do you think it would change the world for better?
This is already happening on a large scale. Haven't you ever heard of credit unions?
Quote from: utilitarian on August 10, 2008, 11:47:08 PM
This is already happening on a large scale. Haven't you ever heard of credit unions?
Howdy Utilitarian,
Credit Unions are just baby start up banks. Once they have over a certain amount of cash flow they must declare themselves banks. They are subject to the same laws and regulations as banks. I suspect that both Credit Unions and Savings-and-Loans were created by bankers for when the people were totally fed up with banks it would seem like they had an alternative. Which they are not. Same stuff different name. And yeah, the people are fed up...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Quote from: z.monkey on August 11, 2008, 06:41:11 AM
Howdy Utilitarian,
Credit Unions are just baby start up banks. Once they have over a certain amount of cash flow they must declare themselves banks. They are subject to the same laws and regulations as banks. I suspect that both Credit Unions and Savings-and-Loans were created by bankers for when the people were totally fed up with banks it would seem like they had an alternative. Which they are not. Same stuff different name. And yeah, the people are fed up...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
No, credit unions are not baby start up banks. They are fundamentally different. They are non-profit orhanizations. And if they are ever forced to become banks, that is news to me. I would love to see some evidence of this.
Howdy Utilitarian,
My credit union (Community Credit Union) became a bank (Viewpoint Bank) a couple of years ago. Service went straight down hill, fees went up and they started engaging in questionable actions. Needless to say, I switched to another bank.
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
great info guys! thanks! keep 'em coming :)
Edit: to clean up my hot-headed reply.
Start by reading "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History". The only two countries on this planet that are not in debt to BCCI are China and Venezuela. It's all a numbers game. Most countries made a step toward a "one world" currency/unification long ago. It is going to take a major big change in a lot of places to get away from the artificially inflated debt world-wide before we all get our heads clear and thinking right again. Of course, this leads to radical suggestions, which I would probably be smart to leave off my posts for the time being... :) The next tea party will involve much more product over a much larger spillage area.
Peace all!
Howdy squegee69,
Planetary Tea Party? OK... I'll bring the crumpets... The Illuminati horded all the wealth after they stole it from the masses of the world. The Forces of Light have been derailing the Illuminati's plans and securing that capital. This capital will be redistributed to the world in general. This is what is called Saint Germain's Trust. It is also called the Prosperity Fund. There is a philosophy that the Forces of Light hold which effectively says that if everyone has everything that they need in abundance there will be no need for war, or stealing, or incentives to run scam games, or setup compounded interest agreements. In essence they want make everyone wealthy enough that they can pursue their lives work with out having to spend all their time merely scratching enough money together to pay the interest and taxes on living. We are here to be creations of God, and to experience creation just for that sake. God created us to experience his creation. I know that is a little ambiguous to think about, but we are here to do what we are created to do. We were not created to spend our lives working fruitlessly to pay bankers and politicians all our money.
Should we seek revenge against these bankers and politicians? Nope! The Lord sayeth "Vengeance is Mine!" These bankers and politicians should have given more credence to the philosophy in the Bible and Karma. While they are busy stealing our money, their actions are being recorded in the Akashic Record, what the Bible calls the Book of Remembrances. You just can't hide the truth from beings like Forces of Light (Ascended Masters, Angels, Archangels) and well, you know, God has that "All Knowing" thing. These people have the ability to repent and they might get to stay on the planet, perhaps in jail. The bad ones will physically be taken to a planet called "The Void", nope, don't sound fun. The really bad ones will be uncreated, really really un-fun. So, ya see we are not with out recourse. Our job is to prevent this from happening again. What happened on Earth is not totally Mans fault. Man went a long way to exploit what happened, but there were some evil aliens that started this intolerable situation. The Forces of Light are going to help us clean up the mess the evil aliens made. But then it is up to us follow Gods laws and not make a mess out of our planet, again...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
need direct answers...
Howdy Y'all,
So my karmic hellfire and brimstone solution is too radical? Yeah, that stuff usually freaks people out. But y'all need to know these things...
Here's a mo level headed idea. The Man's money system is based on his money. Use something different. Insist on being paid in gold or silver. Barter instead of buy goods and services. If you run a store, make the payment for your goods something other than money, like Kruggerands, or copper wire. Societies have made their own money before. We don't need the Man's approval to start our own economy. Now the Man is gonna get upset about it, and try and claim that he really invented trading seashells for hamburgers. The man is going to try to tax bartering. But it ain't gonna work because his system is set up to track dollars and not seashells. The man's system is designed for The Man's use and not us common folk. So when we start trading like common folk, you know 1 chicken for an oil change, 2 chickens for mowing the lawn, 3 chickens for electrical engineering services, the Man just ain't gonna know what to do. He might even have a nervous breakdown and die (hopefully). Anything is able to be traded for anything else with out the use of money. Ya know, them credit cards are convenient, but if means you become a slave to the bank by using 'em then i just ain't worth it. Same with belonging to a country. If I have to pay 50% of what I earn to "belong" to their country, it just ain't worth it. Expatriot yourself, pronto. Go to a country where men obey God's laws and people trade amongst themselves without the "help" of the man...
Blessed Be...
Howdy Free Energy,
Looks like you are going to get your wish. When the Federal Reserve melts down trying to cover all the bad real estate loans and natural disaster relief everyone will get to make their own bank. There may not be much money to put into it. But at least with the banking establishment in America gone bankrupt we can redefine what banking aught to be...
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
You know the old saying "If you give them enough rope they will hang themselves"? Well it seems the world of high finance is experiencing this very real lesson. Power investors are never satisfied with a reasonable return on their investment. They are always seeking a bigger return. The greater the risk the greater the possibility of a greater return. This has led the investment industry to finance themselves beyond reasonable limits. Fractional reserves and fiat money allow investors to invest money they do not even have. When the market is good apparently this is very profitable, but there is a precarious breaking point so that when things go bad they go bad in a cataclysmic way. We have watched the financial industry implode in a week. How could have we even called this market stable if it folds like a card house in such a short period of time. This is not stability, this is insanity. Rampant greed and amoral rules allowed this situation to occur. Had we not been so fixated on "growth", which really means the most profit for stockholders" this situation would not have occurred. It is time that we return to money based of real assets, no more fiat money. It is time that we reign banks in and not allow fractional reserves. It is time to make money have a stable value and not engage in currency markets. Market speculation and derivatives trading may make the few people on Wall Street very rich but it destabilizes the economy for the rest of us. It is time that we return to the Common Law Constitutional values that this country was founded on. This worked extraordinarily well for the Constitutional United States up till the Civil War era when private banks began to encroach upon our Constitutional Government. The culprits of this modern times financial meltdown should be allowed to fail and reap their karma. They created a extraordinarily huge mess and should be held totally accountable. This would mean the Federal Corporation which is the United States would become insolvent. However, this is not going to happen. GOD has plans for this nation. The corporate financial bailout will occur, at the expense of the taxpayer. But, WE as the taxpayers need to remember that WE own this country. WE need to make our voices heard. WE need to make sure this never happens again. WE are the only ones who can do this because WE have the power. Never forget that the taxpayer citizens of this nation are its real power and WE need to make sure that the government follows the course that WE define. If YOU do not utilize YOUR power someone else surely will...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: FreeEnergy on August 04, 2008, 02:02:38 AM
hi all,
would a non profit organization bank be possible and do you think it would change the world for better?
Absolutely. I have long advocated citizen run, not for profit, purely voluntary membership organizations that provide any and all services that are necessary to every day people. this would include things like banking, healthcare, energy (gas and electric etc.), food, etc. The key part of these proposals is that they would be entirely voluntary as opposed to government mandated/sponsored socialism. I do not have a problem with socialism as a concept so long as it's voluntary. Government run socialist programs have to be inherently totalitarian in order to ensure universal submission of the masses to that system (see: Soviet Revolution, The Cultural Revolution in Mao's China). This is entirely un-democratic and by extension unAmerican. Making these sorts of programs volunatry solves that problem. Additionally, since these would be not for profits their prices would naturally be less that for profit companies that provide the same services, eventually driving the for profits out of business...
Global Analysis...
http://www.worldreports.org/news/178_the_corrupt_octopus_has_been_severely_wounded
Bank also banca/banco reminds about the old days, when during the Fugger/Medici-economy
the currency-ex-change structure of our today-financial-system began.
Bank means also table- "Tafelgeschaeft":
open source-????-bank:
a simple question and based by reality:
your ,allbodies, first "open source bank" are/ have been your grand-/parents, it is true or not ?
But what has been or will be their wish as compensation-tax !? Quality and quantity ?
But did they delivered all their richdom or only a minor(-ity) part, did/do they exspect responsibility
or could/can you "drop away the values out of the window" ?
"Without tax" or better " with real/fair tax"(Th.d.Aquino), tax from taxare is also the "emotional cursor"
that shows that each action/investion has/ will have a gain, for the active part or the passive part.
The investor has to compare - to validate the wished action - to think re- and forward about the
consequences : to create virtual motion , from the past to the future !
Without knowledge - also called intellectual experience - each "Novize/Kadett" will receive to
gain/lost quality possibilities :
++ Maximum
+ Optimum
0 Medium
- Pessimum
- - Minimum
"first experience" result .
This is part of the "game" : the risk to win or to loose too much and to wish to recover as fast as
possible the losts and to repeat the one-time high-risk tax feeling !
But is the received money/value loan/earning or only loaned, to give
back with/-out financial tax , but by social tax ,
also called friendly relationship , short: friendship !?
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