http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5517#5517
Looks fake imho.. compare to: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmB6-wZSh8
Lots of differences.. frame, bumper, etc.
Scam..
this is real and not a scam....his first buggy when using the watercell was different...
but watch closely in this video at the beginning notice the lights the lettering the license plate and the roll cage....this buggy here is his most recent working project.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h75_TGiwg78&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h75_TGiwg78&feature=related)
Oops. You're right.
What group is making the offer? I would really like to see this stuff go into a museum for all of us to see and study. It would be a shame to see this priceless relic disappear. I'm sure just the people on the forums could put together enough money to buy it. I would be more than willing to donate to such a cause.
What is the price ? ;D
I would definitely donate, and not just a few bucks.
This info MUST be open sourced for the good of mankind.
Mike
i will donate.....but all of us trusting one person with 70k (even if we get that far...which i do doubt (not trying to be a downer))...is not too good of an idea....remeber the guy also wants 30 percent of any profits made from this....but if it's put in public domain then no profits can be gained since there is no private holding of this information.
Not hard to resolve, just go through an escrow company.
Maybe enter it in the xprize race. I think the deadline is this friday for your LOI. If this is the car Stan owned you could win 10 million dollars!!!!!! I can't afford it and I don't know if it would be a good idea to buy stolen property anyhow!!!!! Karma is real!!!!!!!!
this is still for any non believers....here is an important detail from video clips and the image...the scratches are identical!!!
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check out hte gas changer photos off stans buggy at waterfuelcell
On 16.08. they will give us more infos !
thats when the auction ends for the buggy, his journals and all his paperwork.
thats when the auction ends for the buggy, his journals and all his paperwork.
kinesisfilms, the two pictures you show are not of the same cars. Their are two different ones. I blew them up and found that the infact are not the same scratches, nor are is the lettering eactly placed in the same spots. Even the Flag is not exactly the same.
I think its not the same too, lets look at this: but from the video you clearly see
2 differents buggy, at last the body frame are different
Real: Body frame have 2 bars on top (back) and 2 bars on middle (image 1, and image 2 have 1 bar)
Fake or real: Body frame have 2 bars on top (back) and 1 bar on middle
Real: Driver mirror is larger
Fake: Driver mirror is more height, but maybe the mirror is turn 90 degree?
Real: Driver side, in the back, you see tierap, the first 4, after the second, nothing
Fake or Real: Driver side, in the back, you see tierap, the first 4, after the second, you see a metal frame with hole
But on the other video the body frame is different, its like he have 2 buggy with different frame, maybe he changed it later.
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TheOne the first photo under hte buggy for sale photo you posted is of his first buggy....that one has a different plate, roll cage, lights body everything it is truthfully in fact different....but this is his first running model....the buggy for sale is his second model (completely differnent buggy) the last 3 photos you posted are of this buggy for sale...have a detailed look at ever ounce of hte car: the bolts in relation to the lettering, the metal details and every fine scartch,....this is obviously it...also look at the photos of hte gas changer the odds of this being real are higher then hte odds of this being faked by someone....way too many details are identical look again at the flag from the second part of hte stan meyers documentary look at the lettering ...they are in fact the same i dont see where you say they change or are different..i have been consistantly looking over the videos to photo comparison everytime a person comes forth and says this is wrong about the car its fake and have been showing them they are wrong please point out hte exact things that don't match up and i will make screen shot comparisons....please have a close an intricate look towards the tiny details....i could make tons of screen shots but i rather not do that at the moment...just tell me where you believe this is fake and honestly think about the odds of someone replicating a scratch and every other ounce....this car is 100 percent real....i would put 99.9 but there isn't even a chance...i am on my way to a degree as an environmental engineer and the odds of this as a fake are horribly horribly low.jsut maek a list of similarities to disimilarities...i will gladly and thoroughly go over each one.
here is another angle of the buggy....
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The Orion Project visits Stanley Meyer's dune buggy in january2008.
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/stan_meyer_visit_2008.html (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/stan_meyer_visit_2008.html)
dunno wot they're up to, but they sent a mail asking for donations to them so they can afford to buy it.
Quote from: esaruoho on August 15, 2008, 06:23:55 AMdunno wot they're up to, but they sent a mail asking for donations to them so they can afford to buy it.
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From: The Orion Project <info@theorionproject.org>
Subject: Urgent Message from Dr. Steven Greer!
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Historic Energy Breakthrough on the Line
Dear Friends,
We have an urgent and momentous opportunity before us. The idea of using water for fuel has been around for decades. Many have imagined it; but Stan Meyer did it... in the ?90s! In fact, he received a patent for his Water Fuel Cell in 1989. Meyer was a highly respected inventor and his research is one of the most widely known and publicized even today. He powered a car with this technology and envisioned powering homes, planes and more with this ingenious invention. Stan discovered that resonant frequency was the key to unlocking the enormous energy contained in water; produced when hydrogen and oxygen combust. With his early and untimely death in March of 1998, this information was apparently lost. To date no one has been able to reproduce his technology from his published material ? though it has been out over a decade.
Now, the complete body of Stan Meyer?s work has surfaced again including notebooks, drawings, his Water Fuel Cell-powered vehicle, and other unique experimental designs! For many months, The Orion Project has been working to acquire Stan?s legacy materials so we can solve the energy crisis that is draining this country... and the world. In January, 2008 Dr. Ted Loder, our Chief Technology Officer, personally reviewed all materials on hand. He found an extensive collection of Stan?s research journals and experimental equipment, much of which has never been known to the public.
Just recently we discovered this entire collection of Meyer?s work will offered for bid to interested parties effective this Saturday, August 16th! The Orion Project is certainly one of the serious bidders.
We expect there will be very high interest in this bidding process for Stan?s materials. If we succeed in winning this bid, it opens the door to our recreating Stan?s remarkable technology. Please help us succeed in this extraordinary opportunity. While TOP is a contender in the process, the board is re-evaluating exactly what bid we will put forth. There is no guarantee that we will be awarded the materials. However, the more money we have available, the stronger bid we are able to make.
If Stan Myer's work is obtained by another party who lacks the strategic contacts and leadership of TOP, it most likely will never be brought out to the public. They may not have the considerable technical resources to recreate the working system. Furthermore, they likely lack the critical strategic understanding of how to bring such a controversial technology out to a global commercial market in the face of extreme opposition by entrenched energy giants. Lacking either of these fundamentals skills will result in Stan?s work being lost and never realizing its enormous benefits to society.
The Orion Project is uniquely able to recreate this technology and fulfill the promise of Stan?s life work, making free, non-polluting, and sustainable energy available and freeing our country from its dependence of foreign oil. TOP has direct access to some of the most experienced and talented researchers and inventors in this realm of water-fuel research. If we succeed in obtaining his materials, it will still require a great deal of work by the brilliant scientists we?ve identified to reproduce and develop the technology since the systems have not been run in over a decade.
If just 5,000 people donate $100 each, it will give us a nominal starting budget of $500,000 allowing us to:
- Acquire Stan's complete materials
- Assemble a skilled technical team to study them in detail
- Conduct testing to insure it performs optimally
- Begin the steps towards commercial development
PLEASE DONATE NOW (http://theorionproject.org) and help us succeed with this once in a lifetime opportunity to completely transform the doomed energy paradigm before us ? replacing dwindling and polluting fossil fuel with abundant clean fuel. It is a gift to yourself and to all mankind. Stan Meyer started with a dream ? we are committed to make his dream a reality!
We appreciate your support,
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P.S. You can see an introductory article on our website (http://theorionproject.org) about Hydroxy Gas Technology. If you?d care to see a more detailed technical brief written by Stanley himself, please see the research paper on our websit (http://theorionproject.org)e: Stanley A. Meyer, 1995. Water Fuel Cell - Technical Brief.
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"If just 5,000 people donate $100 each, it will give us a nominal starting budget of $500,000 allowing us to:"
a nominal starting budget..
lets see.. their "donate now" meter says they are trying to get 3mil together, and of the 3 mil they have now:
$407,608 ( of which $250,000 pledged by single donor contingent on public contributions for the remainder
of the budget )
so they have 157,608$ right now. or not. i dont know why this "donate to orion project" is somehow not the same as the stanley meyer 500,000$ fund.
???
Different people, I guess? These (Steven Greer) have ties to the Disclosure Project (http://disclosureproject.org) and might be known better.
Quote from: orbs on August 15, 2008, 07:49:11 AM
Different people, I guess? These (Steven Greer) have ties to the Disclosure Project (http://disclosureproject.org) and might be known better.
how do you propose they're different people?
1) 3 million dollar gathering people, website: http://www.theorionproject.org/en/donate.html (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/donate.html) orionproject
2) 500,000$ million dollar gathering people, email from orionproject in this thread itself. the stanley meyer january 2008 visit was also featured on the orionproject website. http://www.theorionproject.org/en/stan_meyer_visit_2008.html (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/stan_meyer_visit_2008.html) . orionproject.
so heres my question, if the "give us 3 million" page, which says the money will be used to
Providing funding support and grants to out-of-the-box researchers, physicists and inventors working on practical energy generation solutions that create no pollution and consume NO fuel source.
Education of the public, the scientific community, civic and government leaders about these advances and fostering wide-spread support for their development and application.
Subsidizing or 'gifting' these new technologies to impoverished developing areas of the world that otherwise cannot afford to buy them?the same areas of the world where the worst environmental damage is occurring today.
Support of this website in educating many more people about clean, sustainable technologies.has managed to gather roughly 157608$ (this is the 407608$ minus the 250,000$ "pledged by one dude once the 3 mil have been gathered"), why arent they immediately stating that they are only xxx,xxx$ away from getting their 500K together for the start-up-purchase of stanley meyer water fuel car and rest?
and how is it that purchasing the meyer archive DOESNT work with those claims from the site which i put in italics?
feels ridiculous.
i don't feel likes reposting this but this is the gas processor found on the buggy....and here is the overall examination of it....still don't know what the bottom coil is for.
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1097 (http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1097)
Hello! ;)
Do anyone know if this car has been sold by now?
If so, who got it now and what price did they pay?
The latest news is, the most recent offer has fell through and the equipment is still up for sale.
Does the buggy really run on water? Is there a recent video showing this?
Why not sell everything on Ebay?
Bring your car to me and keep the title, have my homestead address.
I will work on it very carefully for you! This way you keep the car while I research each part.
"The low amount of gas production stan used to run that car when he ionized and laser probed the gas." The 400ish cc's his cell produced, it was a miracle wasn't it.
If you want someone who will dedicate the time into the car that knows what they're doing and give it the love it deserves, send word my way, the car will be yours safe with me in alabama. Or if you just want to chat on the phone about how he ran that car, just give me a hollar, i'll speak.
Hydro the obsessed hands on researcher.
Interesting, apparently The Orion Project (www.theorionproject.org)has secured the Stan Myers materials. This group is run by Dr Steven Greer from The Disclosure Project. This will be very interesting to see what comes of this as my feeling is this group is legit in their intentions to bring this technology to the world.
Exciting stuff.
Ben.
see how weirdly shaped the announcement is:
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Breaking News from The Orion Project
The Orion Project has been awarded the Stan Meyer materials and is completing final negotiations with the owners. The hope is that The Orion Project will have the materials in its possession by the end of the year.
Tune in to the World Puja Network this Friday to hear a detailed interview with Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Ted Loder on the implications and the exciting next steps in development.
You can read the background of our efforts to acquire these materials here, here and here. Thanks to all our supporters who helped make this a reality!
Please contribute to The Orion Project generously so we can acquire, study and bring out to the world the potential of this amazing new technology!
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so they've been "awarded the materials". "final negotiations are being "completed"". they "hope to have the materials by the end of the year". however, "please contribute generously so we can acquire, study and bring out to the world the potential of this tech"..
if they are to have the materials in their possession by the end of the year - why should they then go and ask people to generously contribute so they can "acquire" the potential of this tech?
sod this.
Hrmmm this is rather interesting now we will know fact or fiction the life of Stanley Meyers !
This thing can be reverse engineered rather easily with present tech all tech from the age of the car can be easily reversed.
This Steven Greer no matter how crazy you think this guy is the intentions of his studies have all appeared to be for the people.
I wish him all the luck.
-infringer-
Steven Greer is a long term kook who also regularly communes with UFO's. He's been peddling this type of shtick since the 1980's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Greer
Good luck with seeing any results. Or ever getting your 'donation' back. But don't worry - for $100k, you can become a life member of the Disclosure Project. ::)
http://www.disclosureproject.org/shop.htm
Who knows whether Meyers notes or vehicles contain all of his conclusions...they could be just research done prior to his final prototype.
Due to a lack of action and public release of technical data by the Disclosure Project with the info they have received so far, I suspect Greer may very well be just a well placed foot dragger.
And we know those types are still being used to muddy the waters at every level of society.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 14, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
I suspect Greer may very well be just a well placed foot dragger.
No need to suspect anything. Greer is a well placed kook expert at taking other people's money.
I bid eleventy million for it !!
If it really works ofcourse ;)
This is kinda kewl when you think about it ..
Its like the water for fuel believers rolling the alien believers .. a bit like robin hood but more confusing :D
Well guys, I think it's up to all of us to get this ball rolling and at least have the items photographed and publicly documented for all of us to see. We all must contact "The Orion Project" and let them know how we feel about this and what help we can offer. But, at the very least, we must have the equipment shown for true replications by the WFC community. If TOP is saying "Open Source", then let's get this in the open now! It does scare me a little though, the tone I get from the press releases is they have no clue what to do next. I hate cliff hangers!
Quote from: HeairBear on December 15, 2008, 03:41:02 PM
Well guys, I think it's up to all of us to get this ball rolling and at least have the items photographed and publicly documented for all of us to see. We all must contact "The Orion Project" and let them know how we feel about this and what help we can offer. But, at the very least, we must have the equipment shown for true replications by the WFC community. If TOP is saying "Open Source", then let's get this in the open now! It does scare me a little though, the tone I get from the press releases is they have no clue what to do next. I hate cliff hangers!
I hate cliff hangers too .. lets start a thread
"Cliff Hangers Anon"
The question to be asked is where was this car for the past 12? years and why was it not driven?
If you believe in a coverup of Meyers invention then you will find Greer has made a very poor investment.
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 17, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
The question to be asked is where was this car for the past 12? years and why was it not driven?
If you believe in a coverup of Meyers invention then you will find Greer has made a very poor investment.
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I read somewhere once that it had been buried under concrete .. can anyone confirm ?
Greer is a f'ing joke.
The only thing you'll get to see of the purchase is in books and other fruity dvd's sold by his little company, with all the details except "THE SECRET".
This nonsense orion project also keep banning people from their youtube channel, esp. those who say that they hope the paperworks will be made available to 'the people'...
That the thing is found, also means there were no 'black vans' picking up all the stuff after the 'assassination' of Stanley, a story always told/sold by free energy crooks.