Greetings All
Food for thought.
Since most of us believe that magnet and gravity motors are eminent.
Which one do you feel will be stronger?
What applications do you think they would be there best at?
What dangers do each possibly have as well?
Hi Alan,
I think the first thing to be considered is the mechanical size (or volume) of both: up to a few kg of weigth a magnet motor can be stronger than a gravity motor but then the cost of big magnets will gradually become a limiting factor and gravity motors will surely be the winner in high mechanical sizes.
I can imagine a combination of both types into a common setup of course, here the limit also the higher prices for really big magnets.
Applications? Everywhere in the world, especially in remote places where there is no normal utility power available or other alternative power sources are problematic or not applicable.
Danger? Not bigger than any presently known electric motors of comparable sizes involve, added to this the fact of the danger of handling big sized magnets or moving weights if maintenance is needed.
rgds, Gyula
PS: looking forward to seeing your possible designs... ;)
Gravity is a minor force. So...
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on August 19, 2008, 07:40:20 PM
Gravity is a minor force. So...
Take care,
Michel
Ditto :)
LOL
I like that. A minor force. I truly do not think I ever heard it called that. We all know that permanent magnets are also called a force but limited by its size on how much distance it can work. Today I couldn't find my compass so I set a line of magnets in a dish and they told me the magnetic north. Then I marked them. Yes I am playing with magnets as well. but all in all, IMO Magnet motors will own the small size but Gravity motors will own the large size and I believe there will be more to this story as well.
Quote from: AB Hammer on August 19, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
LOL
I like that. A minor force. I truly do not think I ever heard it called that. We all know that permanent magnets are also called a force but limited by its size on how much distance it can work. Today I couldn't find my compass so I set a line of magnets in a dish and they told me the magnetic north. Then I marked them. Yes I am playing with magnets as well. but all in all, IMO Magnet motors will own the small size but Gravity motors will own the large size and I believe there will be more to this story as well.
I agree.. a magnet motor can be compact and a gravity motor has to be large.... a gravity/magnet motor in the middle :)
Jason
Well I went ahead a posted my first magnet wheel since 1974. I call it The Unpredictable Wheel. It is a non runner but it is kind of interesting. It will run one way and the stop and run the other or it just stops. In the video I bumped it when it looked like it was going to run backwards. I built this wheel to get use to magnets again. And now I am getting better test set up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjEsGZfkCRA
Nice wheel Alan
I built devices with magnets that reacted the same way but on a horizontal plane.
Regarding your topic question, magnetism would probably win but has anyone simulated or calculated the continuous torque that a lead wheel say one meter diameter and 10 cm thick would produce if one half of it was shielded (an impossibility right now) from gravity. And the maximum speed unloaded?
"Which one do you feel will be stronger?"
Im not sure - first of all it needs to run - do you have any running one ???
Or you meant the force your hand to spin it ::)
cheers,
khabe
@ khabe
I like the way you responded. LOL
A magnet wheel will depend on how strong the magnets are and how many in the device.
A gravity wheel will be determined on how much over balance and/or internal shift can be done in the turning.
For now, it is a officially a hypothetical evaluation. But I look at it from experience as well.
"Which one do you feel will be stronger?"- was your question,
And you answered ... or tried to explain to bonehead like me :o
My reply was more like humor ( at least was meant, sorry my English ;-) because I have no idea how to compare two not existing devices :-\
I have not seen any surely proofed ones - YouTube is good and nice place but proofs nothing,
How long time you have wrestled with Gravity and Magnet motors and what?s result?
Myself I do not, I have tried years ago but not more - I prefer to use Electricity & Magnetism Hand Rules,
But anyway I pay respect to guys whos cudgel their brains with - even when no wonder results - many another nice and useful things will be unfolded,
Happy vigor,
khabe
1. Gravity
2. Electrical generation in the modern world and water/irrigation in the 3rd, for now.
3. Bladerunner
Quote from: Dgraphic911 on August 24, 2008, 08:23:48 PM
1. Gravity
2. Electrical generation in the modern world and water/irrigation in the 3rd, for now.
3. Bladerunner
3. Bladerunner ??? ::) ???
I think you lost me on that one.
Sorry Alen
Bladerunner is my idea of a future hell, the rapid increase of low cost electricity will cause a massive swelling of all types of comodities issues. We are very close to peak consupmtion on many items. Cure third world disease with clean water and give the rest of us consumers low cost power and we will eat through this planet like termites in soft pine.
The fact that its tough AND expensive to helicoter in a generator and fuel to burn down the rainforest is the only thing slowing them down, Give them a free/ unconnected/ no fuel power source and watch them mow it down.
I'm still building but faith in the human animal with knowing how to handle it is not very high, rome loved its auquaducts. Where is Rome and how come i see kids In africa skipping school so they can carry water home for the family.
Maybe something bigger than frustration is stopping free energy. Maybe it knows better. We might not be ready.
Dgraphic911
What you said is about as disturbing to me as Batman returns.
We just have to change the way we think.
What goes down, must come up. ;D
Sorry Alan,
What disturbs me is
"perpetual tomorrow"
I'm going to walk into the patent office with several devices
when you see the walking toy you'll be amazed
I'm holding back that right now because it still has some merit and i don't want to share.
Its not spinning now but just a few more days
you'll have to wait and see........................................
You had such high credibility with me back in January when i joined , i thought "heres a guy whos no bulshit and he actually builds"
might have it is one thing, but you dance pretty close to saying you have it just enough to say you never said you did but to try and make everyone think you do.
Magnetism is a stronger force. Heck, you can resist the gravitational pull of a huge object like earth easily - like when you pick up a book from a table. Imagine if Earth was a magnet!
@utilitarian
Earth is a magnet. The field reaches for miles and miles and miles. A magnet you hold in your hands reaches for inches or a very strong one in feet. So a gravity wheel is in a since is a magnet motor but it just don't have magnets in it.
Hi all,
I would recommend to all that are not familiar with the Electric Universe theory to go visit the multimedia section of the Thunderbolts.info site:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/mmarchives/index.htm (http://www.thunderbolts.info/mmarchives/index.htm)
See what you think of the traditional Gravity theory we live with after. It is worth watching. Sparks has some very interesting clips.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm (http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm)
Take care all,
Michel
Quote from: AB Hammer on August 29, 2008, 09:14:20 PM
@utilitarian
Earth is a magnet. The field reaches for miles and miles and miles. A magnet you hold in your hands reaches for inches or a very strong one in feet. So a gravity wheel is in a since is a magnet motor but it just don't have magnets in it.
There is no such thing as a gravity wheel or a magnet motor. I am confused by these terms you are using, like they are things that actually exist.
Quote from: gyulasun on August 19, 2008, 09:33:46 AM
Hi Alan,
I think the first thing to be considered is the mechanical size (or volume) of both: up to a few kg of weigth a magnet motor can be stronger than a gravity motor but then the cost of big magnets will gradually become a limiting factor and gravity motors will surely be the winner in high mechanical sizes.
I can imagine a combination of both types into a common setup of course, here the limit also the higher prices for really big magnets.
Applications? Everywhere in the world, especially in remote places where there is no normal utility power available or other alternative power sources are problematic or not applicable.
Danger? Not bigger than any presently known electric motors of comparable sizes involve, added to this the fact of the danger of handling big sized magnets or moving weights if maintenance is needed.
rgds, Gyula
PS: looking forward to seeing your possible designs... ;)
Gyulasun said it well...
Most obvious pro's/contra's.
If only we could have any type of
working devices....
Cheers!
Hello
I would say that the gravity wheel would be stronger, but the magnet wheel would be faster. So under a load the gravity wheel wins in my book, for you have to depend on the power of the magnet when the gravity wheel can be made heavier.
G,day
Generally, Gravity is thought of as the force that keeps us on this planet
However in terms of earth its force is limited by the distance an object falls and only works in one direction,
gravity cannot be reversed.
Unless you have access to technology that will allow you to create antigravity
then you have perpetual motion
Any object dropped from a great height will embed itself in the planets surface.
Therefore Gravity is only a limited very powerfull force a terrestrial force
Magnetism is portable will work anywhere and can be magnyfied
can be used in reverse.
Its power depending on its size shape and material made from.
Also can be turned on and off if an electromagnet
However takeing BLACK HOLES into account I would say Gravity is a more powerfull force in the universe
As to Magnet and Gravity motors
Gravity is clean and simple
Magnet can be costly and dangerous
A Hybrid may be the best way to go
In the scheme of things gravity is solid permanent power beyond our comprehension .
Magnetism is to be used and moved and should be avoided in ginormous permanent magnet projects
So in conclusion gravity is the Stronger
But should be used together with gravity
I appologise for my ramblings now these words are only based on my thoughts and you may not agree with them
One last thought
Build yourself a solar death ray the only parts needed 2 cm sq mirrors lots of them get your device to follow the sun you have steam power at a very small cost use power during the day and lights at night from batteries
Best wishes john
QuoteBladerunner is my idea of a future hell, the rapid increase of low cost electricity will cause a massive swelling of all types of comodities issues. We are very close to peak consupmtion on many items. Cure third world disease with clean water and give the rest of us consumers low cost power and we will eat through this planet like termites in soft pine.
The passage of time being relative, to some we may appear as consumers eating through this planet like termites in soft pine as it is!
TS
Hi Alan,
here is my personal opinion:
Gravity-Motors can be built in several ways (at the moment i see 3 different ways, but all using same forces and same very basic principle). Usefull energy-output on all devices are comparable. I asume a device with 3 meteres diameter outputs 1 to 5 kW. Overunity growes in square by diameter and weights used and maybe its depth = volume.
I asume a proper built Magnet-Motor same size (using an optimized functional principle only) could output much more, maybe 5 to 50 kW.
The most energy generated by a free-energy-device should be expected by static devices without moving parts or hydrogen-motors. These are powering cars in future but also a calculator or cell-phone (no more batteries), where space is limited. A device that size (3 meters diameter) should produce 10 to 100 kW or more usefull output.
When II. or III. generation of free energy device begins, Gravity-motors are still here for poor people and still in museum for show history (antique). But at the moment i would appreciate having one at least an antique here (Greetings to Bessler 1712).
Quote from: Joh70 on December 31, 1969, 07:02:02 PM
When II. or III. generation of free energy device begins, Gravity-motors are still here for poor people and still in museum for show history (antique).(Greetings to Bessler 1712).
For poor people??? ha..ha!.............That may be so. I know (rich and poor) mankind will surely revert back to the use of fire [gravity wheel] after a surposedly near annihilaion of his own doing!
Gravity F/E will allways be more idiot-proof than magnetic.............
anton