I have used the search using the term "notches in tubes" & it came back with nothing, my question is why did Stan cut notches in the ends of his tubes in his WFC is this known & obvious or a mystery as I have a theory but I dont want to look more stupid than I probably do already, the brains on this site stifles me so I would rather check before I look a compleat burk
Regards
D
What I think, (I might be wrong) the cut slots on the outer tubes purpose to match the frequency of the inner and outer pipes with setting up a standing acoustic wave.
On a "slotted" metal pipe, some or all of the metal cut out to make the slot is rolled up to the slot can effectively be shortened or lengthened, thus changing the pitch of the pipe.
Good were on the same path here then I see lots of WFC replications with good results but not the over unity that Meyers claimed but in these tests I see people convinced its because they haven't got the electrolysis frequency right, but I have not seen one mention of harmonic resonance, what got me thinking was I watched a program about how church organs are made, from what I remember they cut notches in the ends of the pipes to adjust the note, which would indicate that was what Meyers had done in his tubes, so maybe the harmonic resonance is as crucial as the electrical?
In the way microwaves excite water molecule causing them to vibrate & the consequence produces heat, could sound waves not excite the water molecule in such a way as to simplify the work for the electrolysis, exciting the water and partially loosening the Ho From the O before the charge finishes the job?.
I am probably way off here just hopeing it may give the bigger brains on here a slightly different angle to look at?
Just make sure you are achieving stage 3 production bubbling,
and there are plenty of videos on youtube and google to show you
what this looks like. Without stage 3, you aren't producing enough
fuel for anything. Meyers was pulsing at 2000 cycles per second,
using only 1 amp; remarkable bubbling, likely stage 6. From what
I hear, you dont' need gasoline at all at the higher production rates.
Meyers later device, the spark plug replacement device, uses sound
waves to instantly vaporize water into explosive energy, on demand.
With this one, you can remove the gas tank.
Mikey
Quote from: sirmikey1 on August 23, 2008, 06:27:37 AM
Meyers later device, the spark plug replacement device, uses sound
waves to instantly vaporize water into explosive energy, on demand.
With this one, you can remove the gas tank.
Mikey
So meyers didn't use plasma in his injector then?
dhcp
this video shows the device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k1x896QgM8
Yes, Stan used plasma for ignition of the gases. There are several devices he made though and you should be specific when discussing the technology to keep the confusion to a minimum.
Quote from: DHCP on August 23, 2008, 02:28:32 AM
Good were on the same path here then I see lots of WFC replications with good results but not the over unity that Meyers claimed but in these tests I see people convinced its because they haven't got the electrolysis frequency right, but I have not seen one mention of harmonic resonance, what got me thinking was I watched a program about how church organs are made, from what I remember they cut notches in the ends of the pipes to adjust the note, which would indicate that was what Meyers had done in his tubes, so maybe the harmonic resonance is as crucial as the electrical?
In the way microwaves excite water molecule causing them to vibrate & the consequence produces heat, could sound waves not excite the water molecule in such a way as to simplify the work for the electrolysis, exciting the water and partially loosening the Ho From the O before the charge finishes the job?.
I am probably way off here just hopeing it may give the bigger brains on here a slightly different angle to look at?
You really wasn't looking very hard.. Stevie1001 has uploaded a video to youtube showing harmonic resonance of OUR alternator setup on his oscilloscope, even though the scope is upside down you can still see it. Since stan said you never Ever Hook the output of the transformer into the Input of the transformer this makes this Present setup "ours."
It's also related to Bob boyces Harmonic setup,,, accept bob uses Triangle waves and we use sine waves, stevies video shows trangle waves, it's actually sine waves.
The tubes are an electronic voltage field "Carrier" that itself will transfer Voltage Fields. The tubes will resonate in the water at the freq of the tubes, IF both tubes are infact wanting to resonate at the same frequency then you get a "Tuning Fork" action only available when you slot the outer tube to match the resonate freq of the inner tube, which can only be done by cutting a slot in the tube. When you hit the resonate freq of the 2 tubes with Voltage Fields the water in between will elongate and shatter seperation caused by the strong electric resonate field action the tubes are "exchanging."
The simple answer would be Voltage Potential does work without the use of amp flow.. Since Amp flow plays no role in voltage fields it is not needed, and since anything resonating will resonate to infinity or break the Proper ss tubes will resonate the electric field between the tubes targeting the water molecules, via fields ripping the molecule apart without the use of amp flow, therfor hydrogen on demand is rendered almost free since the amount of power it takes to apply this voltage potential across the tubes is usually powered from small hv transformers which usually require a small amount of current flow to start the proccess before transformer A can be switched off and transformer B can be switched on, where transformer A has a more ineffecient primary than transformer B. So when you get this switch effect power is cut down to a minimal as Stan the man says.
Stan was clearly killed for his work, everything the man said works, "works." Stan found a way to solve the worlds problem using voltage potential without the use of amp flow directed to the fuel cell. He also later learned to re-duce the size of the fuel cell to the size of a spark plug, where again you will find 2 resonate tubes where one still contans that resonate slot. Look into how drumsticks are made, "how its made" understand 2 tubes, there is times 2 tubes can not be tuned, "it takes machines to tune 2 tubes" just like you tune 2 drum sticks or tunning forks.
i would not be suprized if you went threw 8 outter tubes before you found a match for the 1 inner. sometimes a slot isn't enough, you may have to make the outter tube shorter on some cells depending on the voltage fields resonate action, it is clearly most important to get this right and know what you're doing when you select tubes. Using a thicker inner tube and thinner outer tube will also help tune the tubes.
Br, Hydrocars
It's a well sounding theory and something I will have to try next..
However what happens when you have a buildup of minerals those found in the water I recall that stan used all kinds of water including saltwater,would that not change the mechanical resonance unless both tubes get the same amount of coating? I am not being critical, its just an observation,as I am only going through all the stages of frequency and voltages right now.
Or is it possible , that due to the mechanical vibrations there will be no deposits.
On the other Hand everyone talks about conditioning the Tubes to achieve output. Did Stan need to condition his tubes?
Under conditioning I understand a semi or none conductive build up being formed so the Cell acts more like a Capacitor.
I wish I knew,If Stan had only filed one Patent the answer would be clearer.
I build a module constructed of UHWM holding two 3/4"long 308 SS rods , the reason for it being short is that there is little delay when using different frequencies while observing the gas production.
I found no frequency from 1Hz to 1Mhz to make any difference.
Using our 120VAC Line I am driving a photo opticaly isolated SCR with a function Generator (Square Waves) and a single diode before the choke in series with a 24volt 100 ma Bulb leading to the Anode to visibly observe harmonic dips.(Unfortunately I do not have an Analog Meter and the Clamp on reads no milliamps.
Despite the 250uF 450VDC Cap. that I am using, I still get only dips at 60 120 180 Hz etc, at which point the otherwise high Voltage(~160VDC) between the electrodes dips to about 10VDC , producing no visible electrolysis.Currently I am using the secondary of a 70 volt Audio line transformer as a Choke again because I had it on hand. Even at 162 VDC with an electrode spacing of 12 mm in distilled water I have negligible current flowing producing only tiny bubbles on the electrodes.
I just bought some HV Phenolic tubes and I will try to copy Naudin's Bifiliar Choke and try again.
Has anyone that has a working Tube setup tried to replace them with Plates? If it does not work as well as the Tubes then I suppose you have your answer about mechanical Resonance?
I was also looking into anodizing the tubes so as to achieve a none conductive surface.
I can not buy any Chemicals here being at the End of the World as far as Materials are concerned and so I began to look around and found some Plantfood that contained Phosphoric Acid (I am very aware of the Dangers and I do my Electrolysis Experiments outside). It was a good conductor and the 75ml of water came very quickly to a boil and a black hard deposit formed on the negative electrode reading anywhere from 4 to 12 Megohms
It may just be useful for speeding up the slow process of conditioning. Mind you the Material is not White but black.
Did anyone do a resistance Check on the "White Powder"? I could never get the White Powder coating using just distilled Water.
Did any one ever have the White Powder Analyzed ? Is it perhaps Calcium chloride.........?
Professor
Quote from: Spewing on August 24, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
You really wasn't looking very hard.. Stevie1001 has uploaded a video to youtube showing harmonic resonance of OUR alternator setup on his oscilloscope, even though the scope is upside down you can still see it. Since stan said you never Ever Hook the output of the transformer into the Input of the transformer this makes this Present setup "ours."
It's also related to Bob boyces Harmonic setup,,, accept bob uses Triangle waves and we use sine waves, stevies video shows trangle waves, it's actually sine waves.
The tubes are an electronic voltage field "Carrier" that itself will transfer Voltage Fields. The tubes will resonate in the water at the freq of the tubes, IF both tubes are infact wanting to resonate at the same frequency then you get a "Tuning Fork" action only available when you slot the outer tube to match the resonate freq of the inner tube, which can only be done by cutting a slot in the tube. When you hit the resonate freq of the 2 tubes with Voltage Fields the water in between will elongate and shatter seperation caused by the strong electric resonate field action the tubes are "exchanging."
The simple answer would be Voltage Potential does work without the use of amp flow.. Since Amp flow plays no role in voltage fields it is not needed, and since anything resonating will resonate to infinity or break the Proper ss tubes will resonate the electric field between the tubes targeting the water molecules, via fields ripping the molecule apart without the use of amp flow, therfor hydrogen on demand is rendered almost free since the amount of power it takes to apply this voltage potential across the tubes is usually powered from small hv transformers which usually require a small amount of current flow to start the proccess before transformer A can be switched off and transformer B can be switched on, where transformer A has a more ineffecient primary than transformer B. So when you get this switch effect power is cut down to a minimal as Stan the man says.
Stan was clearly killed for his work, everything the man said works, "works." Stan found a way to solve the worlds problem using voltage potential without the use of amp flow directed to the fuel cell. He also later learned to re-duce the size of the fuel cell to the size of a spark plug, where again you will find 2 resonate tubes where one still contans that resonate slot. Look into how drumsticks are made, "how its made" understand 2 tubes, there is times 2 tubes can not be tuned, "it takes machines to tune 2 tubes" just like you tune 2 drum sticks or tunning forks.
i would not be suprized if you went threw 8 outter tubes before you found a match for the 1 inner. sometimes a slot isn't enough, you may have to make the outter tube shorter on some cells depending on the voltage fields resonate action, it is clearly most important to get this right and know what you're doing when you select tubes. Using a thicker inner tube and thinner outer tube will also help tune the tubes.
Br, Hydrocars
I have not tried plates though I agree results between plates and tubes should be compared. For one, plates are a lot cheaper and easier to come by. Plates are also easily cut to the exact same size, equaling the cathode and anode's resonating frequency. To tune tubes, one needs mathematics to determine the exact size slot to cut out of the outer tube.
An advantage to tubes, IMHO, is that they prevent electron leakage by restricting the available roundabout paths of current through water. In a plate design, there's a lot of space for current to arc from edge to edge. If you build the plates to fit exactly in the vessel, problem solved.
With regards to conditioning. I tried conditioning a 'stainless steel' telescoping shower rod. It rusted badly and produced a lot of black soot, especially when electrolyte was used. 24v 15 amps actually dissolved the outer tube metal about 1/16" on each end. I deduced the tubes were only plated, not pure SS. The black soot would collect on the surface then sink, and it got stuck in between the tubes. Can anyone tell me what this is? However I do think the ultimate goal is an oxidation layer, to further prevent amperage.
As far as resonance, I believe Meyers used pulsing to tune into the harmonic resonance frequency of the tubes, and gating (packet pulsing) to match the resonance frequency of the LC circuit. However I believe a pickup coil in series with the water fuel cell can be run to a comparator and used to control gating based on the circuits own feedback. Any suggestions?
Does anyone know where to find a good PWM schematic for 1Hz - 1mHz? Preferably not using the 555 but a quad op amp like the lm324. A gating function would be nice. Can two LM324s make pulses and gating?