Hi all,
Tested another tri-force design :
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg84.imageshack.us%2Fimg84%2F3788%2Fgatesio5.jpg&hash=50b6609ed474da7d29b62e9a937b86107b7694cf)
And there is the video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCsKoLEf5A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCsKoLEf5A)
(french to english translation in the video description)
I think this experiment clearly proves that such a design can be used to close the loop : the gates are far enough each other, so the neutral position is the same in every gates (no influence between them). If I think right, if the magnet can cross two gates, it could cross 100 or more, its speed increasing to a limit due to frictions. Moreover, there is absolutely no slowdown point after output and before input. But we lose this overunity effect on a circular design, unless the rotor is large enough to make the magnet to follow a quasi-linear path (in my opinion).
Here is another solution :
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg262.imageshack.us%2Fimg262%2F5452%2Fgates3ze8.jpg&hash=da2de546cf6912ea472d3dae4088c21b9a8b49e5)
Iv'e seen your video and there is no proof of any closed loop capability.
Any design based on balancing the magnetic forces will never work.
It will always find equilibrium.
If you somehow could find a configuration that barely self runs then it
will be so very weak that any load will stop it immediately.
Just like the Finsrud contraption. It is so extremely sensitive that any
outside influence, like vibration, breath or a sneeze will stop it.
And his device runs for two weeks at the most. So it ain't overunity.
thank you for watching my video ;)
I would be really happy if I could build a device with 100.1 % efficiency, even if I can't extract energy. Because if you have 100.1 %, and you put together many devices like that, the global efficiency increases and the energy amount begins to be recoverable. (sorry for the bad english)
I do not agree with you : there is a clear proof of closed loop capability, since the moving magnet starts without any energy, just thanks to the n?1 gate's output repulsion. And as you can see : this output repulsion overcomes the n?2 gate's input repulsion. So with the same energy at the beginning (first gate output acceleration), I can make the magnet to roll on the distance I want, and there is no stopping at the end. I would like to do the same test with more gates (10 would be nice) but before I have to buy steel nuts.
Well, thats interesting because it is asymmetrical. (thats because you have rotated the triangles)
Anyway , you don't need a big circular track like the one in your drawing, you can use a rotor.
So, go ahead and close the loop. All the best. :)
Quote from: mpavenir on September 01, 2008, 07:39:33 AM
Because if you have 100.1 %, and you put together many devices like that,
the global efficiency increases and the energy amount begins to be recoverable.
That is wrong. A thousand devices capable of 100.1% each is still just 100.1%, nothing more.
If you can't load one single device then you can't load a thousand devices.
And there is a cost involved as well. If each 100.1% device cost $100 to build then a thousand
devices will cost $100000. This is a lot of money for something that can't deliver the juice.......
What you need to look for is a design that has great torque and a real output at resonable cost.
In the Tri-force gate almost all the pulling Flux is lost due to the great distance between magnets.
No, if you put 2 devices together with e1 and e2 efficiencies, the global efficiency is e = e1 x e2.
So you can extract more energy from two coupled OU devices, than from one single. But I agree with you about the necessity to have a good efficiency with reduced price and size. Anyway, if OU becomes clearly proved and accepted by "official" scientists, researches will quickly lead to a drastic increase of OU efficiency.
From the moment when you have 100.1%, the door is opened, I don't worry about that.
Omega_0 : I have already tried to put these gates (in other configuration) in a rotor, without success. I think circular setup disturbs magnetic fields so we lose OU effect. But before I take back my studies (soon ! :-[ ) I may retry that ;)
I think that the polls in your graphic are mislabeled.. as when the magnet goes through the gate is going to be repelled and pulled to the right.
In case you haven't seen these:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5294.0/topicseen.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5268.0/topicseen.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5264.0/topicseen.html
http://www.overunity.org.uk/triforcegate.html
Keep up the great work.. the more working on this the better!
Jason
oh sorry ;D
Indeed, the picture is wrong, here is the right one :
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg522.imageshack.us%2Fimg522%2F1397%2Fgatesad3.jpg&hash=fd4dd0f137ed6627de30a03a9a5cdb998e63d592)
Thank you ;)
That makes sense. :)
Jason
Are you sure that the rolling magnet is in repel and not attraction? I don't understand how it gets pulled to the gate.
Jason
I have to push the rolling magnet at the input, until it reaches the neutral point. My goal is to prove that this push needs less energy than the push at the output.
If I change the repel setup to an attraction setup, the magnet is "trapped" in the gate.
Thanks! Keep us posted on your work.
Jason
Quote from: mpavenir on September 02, 2008, 05:58:47 PM
I have to push the rolling magnet at the input, until it reaches the neutral point. My goal is to prove that this push needs less energy than the push at the output.
If I change the repel setup to an attraction setup, the magnet is "trapped" in the gate.
Are you sure you don't push the rolling magnet through the block wall into the neutral point?
Eric.
That's a cool design. Ignore the naysayers that claim magnets can't create overunity... I suspect they're either paid by the government to spread dis-info or they're disgruntled physicists who are mad they can't figure it out or read about it yet in a textbook. I love the way the magnet shoots across the floor... I'm imagining a long line of those gates, the magnet looks like it'd roll though them endlessly. Anyways, that was interesting!
I believe that you can get OU from permanent magnets.. I'm working on a permanent magnet motor.
Jason
I think "Tri-gate" is better than "Tri-force gate" as there is only one force.. that is the magnetic force.