I have heard that, there is a way to convert a battery into a perpetual battery. The theory is if you draw only Voltage throught an special wire (not copper wire) then you will have a superconductor effect. I'm going to explain it better:
You know that you need watt to make a device work, of course. You need voltage (the key factor) and then you need amperage (that is the speed or force of the electrons). So, you will need more or less amperage depending of the resistance of the conductor material (true?). So, if you have a superconductor wire, the resistance = 0, so you only need some mAmps or maybe no amperage to make a device work. Of course, a superconductor wire is expensive and you have to maintain it perfectly.
Ohm Law says that when you draw energy throught a wire, a current appears immediately. But if you look at the solid physic's there is a factor called 'Relaxation Time'. So, when you draw energy in a wire, the current doesn't appear inmediately there is a previous stage when the voltage is ready and the current must increase from 0 to X.
Why the relaxation time has been ignored? Of course, the relaxation time has been ignored because in copper is a extremely little time, and it's despicable(contemptible) and anyone can't use that technique using copper as conductor material. But if you change copper for other special alloy, the relaxation time could be 1ms. So in this case, we could obtain energy from the new material, because for that fraction of time the wire acts a superconductor and no current is drawed, so no current draw = no discharge. And you can get the desire voltage.
Do you think that we can develop this theory?
So, the key is:
You can obtain a voltage wave from a certain period of time, depending of the conductor material used. When you draw energy in the wire, the voltage 'travels' at the speed of light and the current needs a certain time (variable in each material) to go from 0 to X. If you get the energy before the current starts to increase, you will run a device only with pure voltage/voltage wave. The key is to make an alloy of 2 metals because replicating the effect in copper is hard to do because the Relaxation Time of copper is 0.0000000000000000001 seconds and in the alloy is 0.001 Seconds. So, you can extract the voltage wave from the alloy without any current. That means an infinite battery. Of course, you need to repeat the effect again and again and again.
Do you mean this: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm ?
The theory sounds clever, however no practical implementation. Why?
thank you man, I haven't seen that website. But I'm reading it and the theory seems to be almost the same.
I didn't posted the link where I read the info because the website is in spanish.
PS: I have read more and I think that is the same theory. The 2 metals are iron and aluminum. In the website that I read don't explain the exact proportion, in your website says 98% Aluminun 2% Iron.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE LINK!!!
Quote from: gyulasun on September 04, 2008, 05:10:59 PM
Do you mean this: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm ?
The theory sounds clever, however no practical implementation. Why?
No practical implementation? What do you want to say? Do you mean that we don't see that device replacing the oil? Or what?
I mean Naudin for instance ought to have tested the idea in practice. Maybe he did but no report, and no report from anyone else who may have built it.
Stupid Question:
What happens if I short-circuit a battery with a
super conductor ?
0 - Ohms means no voltage - no voltage means no current -
no current means no power.
Even More Stupid Question:
How does the electrons in a superconductor "know" if they should
change from here to there if the entire setup has the same potential ?
This would mean that the resistance of a SC can be almost 0 - if it
would be exact 0 - we would have a problem with ohms law.
rgds.
what if we can mix this? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,903.0.html
So what you are saying is not breaking the diapole (per Bearden), and before the moment of grounding sever the connection so no electronic current starts flowing, but only aetheric current remains. Naturally you'd do this many thousands of times per second and create pulsed DC...perhaps a special electronics component could be developed to prevent grounding (something like a fast switching diode but then again semiconductors and aetheric currents don't mix well).
Problem I see is what kind of potential would that battery need to have in order to tap into the Aether and fracture electron and aetheric currents. Tesla did it with DC generators and magnetic spark gap, but his generators must have been 20KV or more?
Which brings me to a notion of how organic life does it because there nerve impulses are brief and of very low potential yet they do achieve almost a miracle. Do they tap into Aether and extract aetheric flows that power the life. If I recall correctly, it was Tesla who noted that aetheric flows are accumulative and so even though the impulses are of low potential they all add up to one big energetic pool.
It also appears that the sum total of energy consumed by a human body, per day lets say, does not add up to the amount of work that human being does, per day. So considering the internal reserves of fat that could be burnt and what else, there must be some other reservoir of energy that's being tapped to supplement (or primarily fuel) the body...perhaps the tiny pulses stimulate conversion and extraction of aetheric flow.
As someone said Nature is our teacher (Walter Schauberger I believe) perhaps we should once again look up to it for answers... :)
I would hazard a guess that the reason Naudin didn't check it himself is that he hadn't the equipment to produce a iron/aluminium alloy - no surprise there! He does appear to have one of the best equipped labs on the planet, at least for a private individual, so maybe his 'benefactors' could spring for one of those as well! :D
@Magnethos: Sounds like you're revisiting Beardens old idea:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
where Bearden claims it should be possible to use the energy
from the potential only to "trick" a special material wire into
"believing" there is a current, but just before actual electron flow
from the battery through the wire to the opposite battery pole
can start, you quickly switch the battery connections for
connections to the circuit you want to power, and the special
wire which so to speak experiences some "lag" just continues
to form the electron flow despite the fact that its original source
is now gone, and will effectively only start to "experience" a real
current through itself after the switch has been made,
resulting in a closed circuit with a current that is momentarily
disconnected from the battery.
Nobody has managed to get that to work yet, as far as I know.
Not even Bearden who came up with the idea. ;)
It does not seem to have anything to do with superconductivity at all.
And it remains to be seen if, assuming that anyone can ever get this to work,
the total energy needed to raise this special and badly conductive wire to
a potential difference where a current will form despite the very low
electron drift velocity is not equal to (or most likely larger than) the
actual effective and usable current the final load "sees".
We can do something vaguely similar by pulsing a capacitor from a battery
feed, then having a second capacitive layer connected in series, and
then using the potential difference in that second cap to power a circuit
connected to it. This circuit is not connected to the battery, only the
primary capacitor is, and the energy lost at the battery is pumped
through the circuit by electrostatic induction of charges in the pulsed capacitors.
We could now use the primary caps charge for somethign else, every cycle.
Do we now have 2 times more output than input? No we don't.
Ok, obviously that is a much simpler setup, but the basic point of scepticism
is similar: even though the battery is not directly powering the circuit,
there was definately energy fed to the circuit even if it was only potentialisation
of certain parts, and even if those parts were not directly feeding current
to the system. Seems to me that is sort of what was suggested, only in
Beardens idea he uses a bad conductor in combination with ultrafast switching,
instead of a capacitor (and normal switching).... No?