This video is great how crob227 can burn
water with high frequency pulses.
It seems to be simular to the Kanzius RF saltwater burn effect.
crob 227 uses some baking sods in his water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od2np5Voba4
Also check out his latest other video.
Very interesting !
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan:
Great video! The others are very good too. Does he mention the freqs anywhere? If he did, I didn't see them. Thanks for posting this.
Bill
Nothing to do with RF for splitting the water to gas.
her : it is only an arc-light burning. (as carbon-arc- light)
No value !
Pese
@ pese:
Is that why it only works when he adds the graphite (carbon) from the pencil? And then it burns out and he has to add more? Interesting observation. I was wondering why he used a pencil.
Bill
Being a licensed Radio Amateur myself I have had very much interest in this experiment but I do not have 300 Watts available
and 100 Watts may not be enough.
But here is a link that explains it all those that have doubts please read.
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
Professor
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 18, 2008, 11:20:27 PM
This video is great how crob227 can burn
water with high frequency pulses.
It seems to be simular to the Kanzius RF saltwater burn effect.
crob 227 uses some baking sods in his water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od2np5Voba4
Also check out his latest other video.
Very interesting !
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: professor on September 21, 2008, 12:23:14 AM
Being a licensed Radio Amateur myself I have had very much interest in this experiment but I do not have 300 Watts available
and 100 Watts may not be enough.
But here is a link that explains it all those that have doubts please read.
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
Professor
Interesting report from an university which verifies theKanzius effect.
So it seems the main stream scieces and the universities catch up with us ! ;)
The next question must be, how we can reduce the needed power
to extract the gases from the RF splitting effect.
Maybe it would be better to wrap a coil around the water tube or
put the RF into the saltwater directly via capacitors or coils ?
We need to come down in the power level from 300 Watts
to maybe only 10 Watts.
This could probably only be done by applying the RF to a bigger
water surface, so maybe have saltwater directly sprayed onto
a RF coil carrying 13.56 Mhz ?
Maybe this will soon beat the production capacity / watt
of standard HHO electrolyzers ?
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I still remember when I played with Saltwater and
pulsed positive 1200 Volts 35 Khz electrolysis that I got sometimes burnable traces on a flat plate
simular to Youtube user crob227
when I held 2 electrodes together nearby and then the pulsed current went
through the conductive saltwater trace on the table and showed some sparkling burnable
traces...
But I never unfortunately tested it with a higher power pulsed supply.
But now user crob227 has shown, that it also works with pulses and not just
a 13.56 Mhz RFsine carrier as Kanzius is using it...
As crob 227 has used baking soda NaHCO3 in his water, maybe this works
better at lower powerlevels than NaCl in water ?
This still has to be tested.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 19, 2008, 05:12:59 PM
@ pese:
Is that why it only works when he adds the graphite (carbon) from the pencil? And then it burns out and he has to add more? Interesting observation. I was wondering why he used a pencil.
Bill
Jes you seen right, but that 1,5mm is only (at first) to make "smaller" the "arc-gap" so the "choosen" working-voltage
can fire the whole way, and burn after starting. Possibly an (isolated) Ball-pen will do the same ---
Pese
Stephan,
I have been involved with the Rife Movement that started about 10 years ago and it was aiming towards destroying Cancer by frequency.
An Argon filled Quartz Tube was exited by Rf 27Mhz CB Set with a linear Amp and the plasma was then amplitude modulated by
specific frequencies those that were resonant with the virus or Bacteria. James E Bare D.C. resurrected the Idea.
RCA Victor build these devices in the 30's and the medical profession used them until as usual the AMA (I wont get into details here )
as you all can look it up on the net,told the Doctors to rid themselves of these Devices or they no longer would be able to practice.
Anyway I am getting off the Subject I have build this device and used it ever since.
My Ham Radio although it covers all Bands it is limited to 100W .The Rife setup is 27Mhz and 100W Linear .
I tried exactly what you suggested and inductively iCoupled the conventional way by using 5 Turns of copperwire around a vessel filled with Saltwater.Going through a Matching network I was able to get a very low SWR ,but with 100W at 27Mhz there was no reaction.
I do not think that the 13.56 Mhz is of any significance but somewhat discouraged I had gotten away from that Idea and spent to much time arguing and defending myself here on this Forum.
I think I have to go back and try it again using different squarewaves as modulation. I may also want to submerge this Argon tube in Water as you can modulate a Plasma way up in frequencies that you can only achieve with transducers but those are frequency specific a Plasma is not. The other idea was to Wind a SS Coil submerge it in water with a plate or tube on each end and couple it to the Rf Tank Circuit. Rife resonates the Cancer or Virus at his resonant frequency to rupture its cell wall Kanzius injects gold or Carbon nano particles into the Cancer Cell which absorbs it and the Rf heats it up like a Microwave oven only at this frequency it is safe to the healthy tissue destroying only the parts that were absorbed by the nano particles.Both principles work, however with Rife there is no invasive action needed.
Since Cancer and Bacteria mutates ever so often ,thus making it very difficult to find the exact frequency for the virus i.e. Bacteria, we use the shotgun Effect by sweeping the frequency to either side according to the last known Rife Frequency List.This is very Time consuming, and if you sweep to fast the cancer you wont get any positive results. Without Rif's Microscope we have no way to experiment and observe a live Bacteria being eviscerated.
No doubt Kanzius research will be sidelined just like Rife's.When you can make 380.000 Dollars on average on the treatment of a Cancer Patient why would you be satisfied with like 1 Dollar worth of electricity? This does not make any economic sense.I hope I am wrong ! The biggest holocaust is when the AMA forbade the use of this technology.Millions of people died because of its suppression.
I have seen the results of it on my own Animal (Dog that had Cancer) but I can not speak about it and neither are others.
Thats all I will say.
I will report back if I have positive Results on the H2O scheme of things.
professor
Interesting report from an university which verifies theKanzius effect.
So it seems the main stream scieces and the universities catch up with us ! ;)
The next question must be, how we can reduce the needed power
to extract the gases from the RF splitting effect.
Maybe it would be better to wrap a coil around the water tube or
put the RF into the saltwater directly via capacitors or coils ?
We need to come down in the power level from 300 Watts
to maybe only 10 Watts.
This could probably only be done by applying the RF to a bigger
water surface, so maybe have saltwater directly sprayed onto
a RF coil carrying 13.56 Mhz ?
Maybe this will soon beat the production capacity / watt
of standard HHO electrolyzers ?
Regards, Stefan.
[/quote]
Sorry I have to say you are wrong.
The Carbon you are talking about are Carbon Nanoparticles or Gold nanoparticles that are begnine to the human body and they are injected right into the cancer cell which will absorb them. Then the RF will heat these nanopaticles up , as they are highly conductive and excitable to rf which in turn destroys the cancer .
The whole principle was demonstrated on U tube and everywhere else. Remember him injecting the Nanoparticles into a Liver that he had on a table? Unless you were referring to the water arc experiment in which case I agree with you as the pencil line was the conductive pass however it seems to produce a plasma which could be contributed to the water like the water spark plug.
professor
Quote from: pese on September 21, 2008, 12:32:12 PM
Jes you seen right, but that 1,5mm is only (at first) to make "smaller" the "arc-gap" so the "choosen" working-voltage
can fire the whole way, and burn after starting. Possibly an (isolated) Ball-pen will do the same ---
Pese
Hi Professor,
very interesting news from you regarding the Rife technology.
Yes, it is a shame, that it is not more widely used in cancer treatment.
Please post all the movie links and URLs regarding this and the
Liver movie link. I did not see this yet.
Well, maybe the small graphite trace on the table has then a catalytic effect
as the RF heats it up and the saltwater will then better ignite ?
Regards, Stefan.
hi Stefan
I think I created this misunderstanding by misinterpreting Pese's and Pirate 8879 comments which were referring to the Video you posted showing the pencil trace that the current followed. I thought Pirate and pese were referring to the Kanzius Video.
I do not save Links I just download any pertinent movies but if one searches I am sure it is still on Utube that's where I saw it.
There is so much information out there and I guess I am spreading too thin.
Rife and its forums have occupied all my previous years, but with the Gas prices being as they are,my interest has now slightly shifted.
Should the Need arise I will quickly revert back to the Rife Set up.
For now thank god all is well and the cowboys that were to come up from Texas to beat me up for my views have not shown up either.
I guess they are busy cleaning up after the hurricane. Lol.....
Picture 2 shows Cell Wall Rapture and evisceration of rotifier by plasma Wave (credit to you Dr.Bare)
Stefan Just found the link for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIq4xcq2Ojo
another one shows the views of the radio amateur community http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=160548
professor
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 21, 2008, 04:50:10 PM
Hi Professor,
very interesting news from you regarding the Rife technology.
Yes, it is a shame, that it is not more widely used in cancer treatment.
Please post all the movie links and URLs regarding this and the
Liver movie link. I did not see this yet.
Well, maybe the small graphite trace on the table has then a catalytic effect
as the RF heats it up and the saltwater will then better ignite ?
Regards, Stefan.
Hi
The 13.56Mhz is in the narrow band that has been set aside for welders and other equipment that use hi power rf it is also laden with large amounts of harmonics, so the band was set and I believe it is on a international level so that the equipment developed can be used any where. Those of you that are ham radio bods know that this would play havoc with communications equipment, well that’s the info that I have, some of these units can put out 10-20kw of RF.
aussepom
I personally don't think that there is any mystery to how the cancer cells are killed, as it is simply a matter of the metallic nano particles heating up within the cancerous cell and so causing it's demise. It works on the same basic principles as an induction furnace. What is interesting however, is why or how the cancerous cells are targeted by the nanoparticles.
But, I digress.
My reason for posting was with reference to the saltwater burning discovery made by Kanzius. This really is an interesting phenomena, but while everyone seems more concerned with power in vs power out, the real interesting thing here is the science.
No one has discussed or even commented on the electrochemistry involved here - or it's implications.
I find this a little strange given that what is occuring can no way be compared to standard, everyday electrolysis. In fact the electrochemistry side is the biggest mystery here, but no one seems to see it. Even so-called scientists are not touching on this aspect of Kanzius burning saltwater.
Somewhere I read that this could potentially be the biggest discovery in science for the last 100 years, and I've got to say I tend to agree. As I metioned elsewhere, this discovery - once the electrochemistry has been evaluated and understood - could actually shed light on the mysteries of Meyers WFC, which to date (if genuine) tends to evade science and understanding.
Like the Prof, I don't think that the 13.56MHz RF is of major significance, as this is simply one of the frequencies allocated to medical research - and it would have to be one hell of a coincidence for this to be the exact and only frequency required to produce the Kanzius effect.
Power is also something of an issue, as Kanzius was apparently generating 300W, but most of this would have been bypassing the small test tube in his set up, which would lead me to think that much less power could be employed if focussing the RF, just to where it is required. Hence a purpose built RF transmitter might well be far more efficient.
Yes, I agree,
maybe this way using RF we could build much better Elektrolysis devices
which will generate HHO and this will generate more HHO per Watt
to be get a much better mileage in our cars.
Does anybody experiment with this principle already to generate huge amounts of HHO ?
Hi Stefan
Just got to say that this HHO term has always bugged me - what exactly is HHO supposed to be? 2 monatomic hydrogen atoms and a monatomic oxygen atom?
I know it gets used extensively around here, but what is it? Because if it is simply the resulting H2 and O2 from an electrolyser then it really is incorrect and misleading - and certainly doesn't make any sense.
And, while on the subject, the other thing I find rather bizzare is that I often see mention of the gases evolved by an electrolyser called Brown's gas, when it is simply the common ducted gases H2 and O2. Is Brown - whoever he is -taking the credit for discovering that water breaks down into H2 and O2 when a current is passed through it... for creating the electrolyser? I think old Michael would have something to say about that!
Anyway, with reference to Kanzius, it will be nice to know exactly what the gas/es given off are, because as anyone who has built an electrolyser knows, the resulting gas pops and explodes when ignited. I've never seen a steadily burning lazy flame from an electrolyser.
There are a few theories as to what is happening, but none carry any real substance, nor are they at present backed by any real science.
We know it does not work unless the water is doped with NaCl, but we don't know if other good electrolytes will also work - I suspect they will.
However, simply causing the water to self-ionise will not produce H2 and O2. It is only the case that in a standard electrolyser the resulting H+ and OH- have plates in which to pick up and lose charges that we get H2 and O2 produced. With no electrodes in Kanzius's discovery to provide or take charges, it does tend to suggest that ionisation of water may not be the main cause of the resulting gases and so does rather beg the question... what the hell is going on?
You need to have a good understanding of how basic electrolysis works in order to see why this discovery is so very different from the electrolysis everyone is used to, and indeed why the science here is so much more mysterious.
I feel quite sure that this is probably far more interesting and indeed intriguing than many people realise.
However, it's been nearly two years since Kanzius announced his discovery and little if nothing more has been publicised. I now fully expect that we will hear no more of it until they want to sell it to us, as no doubt greed will have shown it's ugly head, and the big money merchants will by now have claimed all the rights. I guess time will tell.
But it is a good place for all budding garage experimenters to start as, for once, it does seem to be a very geniune discovery.
Quote from: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 11:23:32 AM
Hi Stefan
Just got to say that this HHO term has always bugged me - what exactly is HHO supposed to be? 2 monatomic hydrogen atoms and a monatomic oxygen atom?
I know it gets used extensively around here, but what is it? Because if it is simply the resulting H2 and O2 from an electrolyser then it really is incorrect and misleading - and certainly doesn't make any sense.
And, while on the subject, the other thing I find rather bizzare is that I often see mention of the gases evolved by an electrolyser called Brown's gas, when it is simply the common ducted gases H2 and O2. Is Brown - whoever he is -taking the credit for discovering that water breaks down into H2 and O2 when a current is passed through it... for creating the electrolyser? I think old Michael would have something to say about that!
Anyway, with reference to Kanzius, it will be nice to know exactly what the gas/es given off are, because as anyone who has built an electrolyser knows, the resulting gas pops and explodes when ignited. I've never seen a steadily burning lazy flame from an electrolyser.
There are a few theories as to what is happening, but none carry any real substance, nor are they at present backed by any real science.
We know it does not work unless the water is doped with NaCl, but we don't know if other good electrolytes will also work - I suspect they will.
However, simply causing the water to self-ionise will not produce H2 and O2. It is only the case that in a standard electrolyser the resulting H+ and OH- have plates in which to pick up and lose charges that we get H2 and O2 produced. With no electrodes in Kanzius's discovery to provide or take charges, it does tend to suggest that ionisation of water may not be the main cause of the resulting gases and so does rather beg the question... what the hell is going on?
You need to have a good understanding of how basic electrolysis works in order to see why this discovery is so very different from the electrolysis everyone is used to, and indeed why the science here is so much more mysterious.
I feel quite sure that this is probably far more interesting and indeed intriguing than many people realise.
However, it's been nearly two years since Kanzius announced his discovery and little if nothing more has been publicised. I now fully expect that we will hear no more of it until they want to sell it to us, as no doubt greed will have shown it's ugly head, and the big money merchants will by now have claimed all the rights. I guess time will tell.
But it is a good place for all budding garage experimenters to start as, for once, it does seem to be a very geniune discovery.
However, it's been nearly two years since Kanzius announced his discovery and little if nothing more has been publicised. I now fully expect that we will hear no more of it until they want to sell it to us, as no doubt greed will have shown it's ugly head, and the big money merchants will by now have claimed all the rights. I guess time will tell.I don't think that will happen regretfully I must inform you that Kanzius recently has passed away succumbing to his own Cancer.
I agree about the Gas but what if only hydrogen and Chlorine are produced? Without Oxygen I don't think it would go pop crackle bang. acetylene burns slow if you add oxygen it changes its volatility.
Much more of importance is whether a different frequency was tried and whether it was a modulated Carrier of whatever type of modulation causing the separation rather than the Carrier 13.56 Mhz is half of 27.02 Mhz a CB band frequency.
I am willing to bet that this was the reason for choosing that particular frequency. I would think that 27MHz would work equally well.But I believe that the modulation frequency and waveshape were the deciding factors for the separation
professor.
Too bad, that Kanzius died recently,
but his technology will live on and make him
undieable !
Have a look at this video to fight cancer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhqMeF6SSlM&NR=1
Hi Prof
Yes I'd heard Kanzius had died, but his discovery is now already out there - let's just hope it doesn't mysteriously disappear into a X-file! It's just a shame Kanzius isn't going to be around to see where it all leads. One thing for sure though, from the videos, Kanzius was as much in the dark about this phenomena as anyone else.
As this is nothing like standard electrolysis, I don't see why we should particularly expect chlorine to be evolved. I too had originally considered this, though as you probably know chlorine is extremely toxic, somewhat visible and has a very distinctive smell. I think scientists would have noticed this gas before ignition... and hence at least mentioned this at some point.
Kanzius would not have chosen 13.56 MHz as a specific frequency as he would be limited to the available allocated frequencies, and I simply assumed that 13.56 MHz was the closest frequency available to him for inducing eddy currents into the nano particles. I've never heard word of it being modulated, but maybe it was - there may well be gaps in what was published.
The electrochemistry involved will answer most of our questions - should they ever be determined and divulged that is.
Without the oxygen you still get the hydrogen pop, there is more than enough oxygen in air - I've tried this. Perhaps though if chlorine is being evolved this acts as a dampener.
Obviously energy is being absorbed into the electrolyte, but what electrochemical reactions are at work is the puzzle.
Could it be that the absorbed energy is causing the sodium ion to capture an electron from somewhere and so become a sodium atom, which by it's very nature is violently reactive with water, producing hydrogen. Just hypothesising.
More questions than answers at the moment.
Hi there
Now this pic will show you REAL WATER BURNING ,
no electronics, a DIY rocket motor, the water, a small amount was heated up by a chemical reaction, this was just to start it off,
then once at the temperature of close to 3,000deg c the, the small amount, the rest of the water was pumped through the rocket motor, 50lts burnt in 12 seconds. this was witnessed by 'a friend' of mine' in Canada, the he sent me the picture. the person that did this was 'persuaded' not to continue' never was heard of again.
the Oz Injector should perform similar.
how ever the 'Oz Injector' will be controllable, so yes experimenting with the 'plasma effect' with sparks plugs, shows the effect of what can be done, imaging, one liter of water turning instantaneously into NOT HYDROXCY, BUT INTO FULLY DISASSOCIATED HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN. all at the same instant ignited, 3,700 lts of gas flame at a temperature of 2,800deg C
when this happens according to the 'real professors' if this were to happen, the Hydrogen and the Oxygen have FULLY SEPARATED but still in close proximity to each other will try to RECOMBINE in doing so will GIVE UP ENERGY of the same amount that took to separate them.
well that should give you some thing to talk about.
aussepom
Just an FYI....
13.56 mHz +/- .007 mHz is an allocated frequency band for ISM (Industrial, Scientific, Medical).
The inventor would have been very aware of this. There is almost no chance the frequency was chosen for best production of gas. It was surely chosen only because that frequency was 'allowed'.
Hi Bep
I totally concur with your last post.
And, with reference to modulation, I'm not sure this would be required if it's simply a case of inducing eddy currents into the nano particles. I don't believe an induction furnace would need or employ a modulated signal.
Aussepom, without knowing what your mate was adding to the water in the first place it's hard to comment. Your post simply does not provide enough information to work with.
Hi there
To start with his is a contact on the web who I have trusted a number of thing with him.
He was not the one conducting the experiment, just an observer.
There was defiantly only a chemical added to the small amount of water to get a reaction to cause heat.
To full disassociate by heat water needs to get to around 3,000deg C, the chemical that was added was to promote this reaction.
Once up to that temperature you only need to just keep adding water.
To my knowledge you can only fully separate hydrogen from the water with electrolysis if you use a membrane filter.
There are a number of chemicals that will react violently with water, I am not a chemical engineer, but when I did my dangerous good license you were told of some and what chemical not to carry with another. The military use a process to do this.
aussepom
Aussepom
Chuck a lump of sodium in some water and you get a good reaction. Lots of heat and lots of H2, no membrane needed.
It does look like a giant hydrogen torch of sorts. There must surely be something other than water to maintain the reaction. But simply not enough info to make any educated comment or observations.
Quote from: BEP on February 28, 2009, 11:39:40 PM
Just an FYI....
13.56 mHz +/- .007 mHz is an allocated frequency band for ISM (Industrial, Scientific, Medical).
The inventor would have been very aware of this. There is almost no chance the frequency was chosen for best production of gas. It was surely chosen only because that frequency was 'allowed'.
Not sure if this Frequency is allocated for that purpose in the U.S. I know that a Channel in the CB Band is. RFID Devices use this Frequency and so does a RF Plasma Device. The PRF-1150 module produces 1000W CW of RF output at 13.56MHz http://www.directedenergy.com/pdf/rf-1150_data_sheet.pdf
The secret as mentioned various times may lie in the modulation maybe he modulated it with the waters resonant frequency?
If that was the Secret of course we would never have heard about it.
I have been experimenting with the Rife Device which operates on a combination of two base frequencies that do absolutely nothing but light up a Plasma which is Modulated at the Cancer or Bacteria frequency.
It does the killing not the RF. Kanzius was very aware of Rife's work.
Yes he stumbled accidentally upon that effect as this was not the purpose of his invention.
Sodium in electrolysis causes the production of Chlorine not saying that it did because with Kanzius .
I have not duplicated his experiment nor have we heardfrom kanzius or anyone else on his team making that statement.
It is mere speculation on my part.
professor
Prof
You talk about modulating the frequency to that of waters resonant frequency - what do you think this is?
I ask as I feel pretty sure that it would be much greater than 13.56MHz - I presumed that's what microwave ovens did at 2.4GHz
Not sure what you mean by this:
QuoteSodium in electrolysis causes the production of Chlorine not saying that it did because with Kanzius
As obviously it is chlorine ions in the water that provides chlorine gas in standard electrolysis, not sodium.
I'm a little in the dark with your reference to the Rife Device as I've never heard of it or of Rifes work, but I would think this is very different to using nano particles like Kanzius was. If you are familiar with an induction furnace, you will know that what Kanzius was doing with the metallic nano particles makes perfect sense and would seem a lot less complicated than trying to find a specific resonant frequency of a cancerous cell.
I just wish that there was an electrochemist out there somewhere that might be able to shed some light on the electrochemical reaction. I've not even heard any theories as to the reaction/s taking place.
Hi
the 13.56meg is purely a governmental thing, it is an international standard for all RF heating, and other industrial applications. it is a set narrow band just for this.
This applies to the microwaves as well, it is the closest frequency allowed that will 'vibrate the water molecules' as in friction action to heat them up. Yes the 'natural resonant frequency' for water is a little higher' I have it some where in my notes. It will not help though, to get enough RF power required, at that frequency is hard enough, the specialize equipment, the FET's alone will cost a fortune, you would have to have at lease a full bridge. Then you would have to fight the government to get the licensing changed to allow you to do it. then, there is the RF radiation from that amount of power. You see I will have only a problem with the 'Oz Injector' when I put 40 of them together, if I get that far, this number can run a 500MW generating power station, but a problem, 50MW of RF to be shielded. Yes that all the power input I need to get an output of 500MW, there is a lot to it it is not that easy.
aussepom
aussepom
Do you have more info on your Oz injector?
Chet
Hi ramset
oh yes , depending on what you want to know, how it works not at this stage.
what is expected to do, yes some of this information is available, but if you can imaging 4cubic metres of burning gas at over 2,000deg C, that is spewing out at 4,000 ltrs per min.
The unit is built, there is a vid on one site only, the builders forum. it is just the unit, I have to finalize the electronics to drive it yet, this is costly and intricate. My funds are low at the moment but it is getting better.
The unit would be able to be retro fitted into any reasonable size boiler, for water heating, steam generation, for the power industry, even into a STEAM TRAIN.
There is a 'new style of jet. I have named the 'Oz Jet' it could be capable of working in high altitudes, and even space, it does not need air to work, but it does help alot more if it is available.
it technically could work underwater to a depth over 400metre.
well you asked for it, this is all WITHOUT BREAKING ANY OF THE KNOWN LAWS.
aussepom
Sorry Aussepom, but you are incorrect here.
The very term microwave indicates an RF in the GHz range. Microwave ovens do operate at around 2.4GHz
Here is the allocated radio spectrum for the USA, looks like the 13.56 MHz is allocated to aeronautical radionavigation & Mobile
The link to the spectrum is here http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf)
Jeez.....
That exact frequency is also one of the many ISM allocations. Please note ISM allocations tend to be harmonics of other ISM allocations.
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 05:08:49 PM
Prof
You talk about modulating the frequency to that of waters resonant frequency - what do you think this is?
I ask as I feel pretty sure that it would be much greater than 13.56MHz - I presumed that's what microwave ovens did at 2.4GHz
Not sure what you mean by this:
As obviously it is chlorine ions in the water that provides chlorine gas in standard electrolysis, not sodium.
I'm a little in the dark with your reference to the Rife Device as I've never heard of it or of Rifes work, but I would think this is very different to using nano particles like Kanzius was. If you are familiar with an induction furnace, you will know that what Kanzius was doing with the metallic nano particles makes perfect sense and would seem a lot less complicated than trying to find a specific resonant frequency of a cancerous cell.
I just wish that there was an electrochemist out there somewhere that might be able to shed some light on the electrochemical reaction. I've not even heard any theories as to the reaction/s taking place.
Hi,
Google production of Chlorine may be you find your Answer.
If you have been around this forum reading the HH2O threads you would have heard about resonant frequencies of water.
There are a few claims but all of them are in the Ultrasonic range. Microwave produces steam just try and light a cup of boiling water in a microwave you'll find out .....it does nothing.
Keely and you can Google all of this as well as I can, said it was somewhere at 42.800 Khz clearly ultrasonic.
As I said I will not rehash what is commonly known by most. http://amasci.com/freenrg/h2oblast.html
I am quite clear as to what Kanzius did and I am very familiar with his method.
Just Google "Rife" and and you will have your answer as to why I compared both People that in a different yet similar Way destroyed Cancer.
You need to do some reading and research before assuming certain things and only then should you be looking for answers to Questions that you do not understand.
Please do your research or you will be waisting Bandwidth your time and everybody else's time.
No bashing intended.
professor
With all due respect Prof, I do find your last post typical of the arrogance of many on these forums.
People like you seem to think you know it all, while others, like me, as you put it 'need to do some reading and research'. Comments like that get my back up right away - you have no idea of who I am or what my background education is, let alone what I know or don't know.
There has only ever been claims of people dissociating water in the ultrasonic range, largely due to these being frequencies claimed by Meyer and that link you posted - I've yet to see it actually substantiated. I've heard all the talk Prof, but that's all it seems to be... just talk.
To the best of my knowledge only Kanzius has ever done this on the record - or anything like this.
Most Meyer type units using ultrasonic pulsing are still effectively standard electrolysers pulsing dc, and still relying on current flow and the exchange of charges on the electrodes. And many people in their naivety simply use dc pulsing as a way of controlling the gas output, while never actually achieving anything like a useable amount of gas in the first place!
The resonant frequency of the water molecule is far greater than ultrasonic frequencies, but this is quite irrelevant in that we are never talking about a single water molecule. Furthermore there can be no magical resonant frequency to dissociate water as water molecules cluster together. Hence, the overall mass of any given body of water would require a different frequency to resonate.
If what happened in that test tube was related to a resonant ultrasonic frequency, then it would also be related to the mass of water within the tube, so the frequency to achieve that result would be different for any given amount of water. However, I doubt any reputable experimentor would have been quite so quick to dismantle his apparatus and forget the whole thing. Such a discovery would surely have encouraged further research.
Have you ever ignited the resulting mist of an ultrasonic mister? Did it burn?
Anyway you're right about one thing, I'm clearly wasting bandwidth and more importantly my time here, so I'll leave you to it.
No bashing intended!
Hi Farrah Day
Well I am with you on this, and 42.8khz, is not ultra sonic, microwave oven uses sonic sound wave, produced in a cavity.
I will stop here I may be wasting bandwidth and time.
aussepom
Anything over 20k Hz is considered ultrasonic.
Bill
Quote from: aussepom on March 02, 2009, 10:22:09 PM
Hi Farrah Day
Well I am with you on this, and 42.8khz, is not ultra sonic, microwave oven uses sonic sound wave, produced in a cavity.
I will stop here I may be wasting bandwidth and time.
aussepom
What ? ???
Quote from: aussepom on March 02, 2009, 10:22:09 PM
Hi Farrah Day
Well I am with you on this, and 42.8khz, is not ultra sonic, microwave oven uses sonic sound wave, produced in a cavity.
I will stop here I may be wasting bandwidth and time.
aussepom
Why do some people need to be spoon fed .
All you have to do is Google Ultrasound frequencies and you will find out that what you posted is untrue http://books.google.ca/books?id=z4kd-x97bXMC&pg=PA414&lpg=PA414&dq=Ultrasound+frequency+spectrum&source=bl&ots=0EZqZsN3Yd&sig=huLQpEJnJQZQWZdFP-U4CLlQcyo&hl=en&ei=j6ytSaaKB4m4sAOS0vjKBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPP1,M1
Bill Pirate88179 got it right! You are partially right with your Microwave comment . A microwave oven uses a tuned Cavity but is a Magnetron RF Oscillator that produces microwaves at about 2.4GHZ which is not ultrasound.
Look up the frequency spectrum Chart you will see where what frequency starts and stops.
Your Am FM Radio does not receive Ultrasound frequencies neither does your Cell.
professor
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 02, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
With all due respect Prof, I do find your last post typical of the arrogance of many on these forums.
People like you seem to think you know it all, while others, like me, as you put it 'need to do some reading and research'. Comments like that get my back up right away - you have no idea of who I am or what my background education is, let alone what I know or don't know.
There has only ever been claims of people dissociating water in the ultrasonic range, largely due to these being frequencies claimed by Meyer and that link you posted - I've yet to see it actually substantiated. I've heard all the talk Prof, but that's all it seems to be... just talk.
To the best of my knowledge only Kanzius has ever done this on the record - or anything like this.
Most Meyer type units using ultrasonic pulsing are still effectively standard electrolysers pulsing dc, and still relying on current flow and the exchange of charges on the electrodes. And many people in their naivety simply use dc pulsing as a way of controlling the gas output, while never actually achieving anything like a useable amount of gas in the first place!
The resonant frequency of the water molecule is far greater than ultrasonic frequencies, but this is quite irrelevant in that we are never talking about a single water molecule. Furthermore there can be no magical resonant frequency to dissociate water as water molecules cluster together. Hence, the overall mass of any given body of water would require a different frequency to resonate.
If what happened in that test tube was related to a resonant ultrasonic frequency, then it would also be related to the mass of water within the tube, so the frequency to achieve that result would be different for any given amount of water. However, I doubt any reputable experimentor would have been quite so quick to dismantle his apparatus and forget the whole thing. Such a discovery would surely have encouraged further research.
Have you ever ignited the resulting mist of an ultrasonic mister? Did it burn?
Anyway you're right about one thing, I'm clearly wasting bandwidth and more importantly my time here, so I'll leave you to it.
No bashing intended!
@Farrah Day
Sorry you feel that way.....
You were the one that scrutinized my post remember !.
You seem to have all the answers so why ask?
Guess you as so many others just want to start a flame war.
As to who you are ? Who am I ?
Good Luck I regret having take the Hook and sinker.
professor
yes professor.....farrahday holds too many similarities to "thebuzz" who has been banned.....and farrahday was almost banned for posting disinfo in one of hartiberlin's threads.
Quote from: kinesisfilms on March 18, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
yes professor.....farrahday holds too many similarities to "thebuzz" who has been banned.....and farrahday was almost banned for posting disinfo in one of hartiberlin's threads.
Personally I think he might be alias Wizard of Mars same attitude and none belief!
He was also on here as Cabinboy and Meltdown and was banned under those names as well. This was documented by Stefan.
Bill
Quote@Farrah Day
Sorry you feel that way.....
You were the one that scrutinized my post remember !.
You seem to have all the answers so why ask?
Guess you as so many others just want to start a flame war.
As to who you are ? Who am I ?
Good Luck I regret having take the Hook and sinker.
professor
If you look back Professor Brainstorm, you'll see that I never scrutinised your post, I simply asked a couple of legitimate questions, which you in your wisdom seemed to take exception to.
I was expecting you to come back with something by way of an explanation, with the view to further discussion, but instead you decided to try to belittle me. I realised you weren't up to intelligent discussion and I left you to it - no 'flame war' as you put it.
And besides, you talk of me wanting a 'flame war', when you go out of your way to stick the boot in of the other thread!
Kinesis has already proven himself to be amongst the most stupid people on the forum so any comment coming from him can be totally disregarded!
And as for Captain Pugwash...
QuoteHe was also on here as Cabinboy and Meltdown and was banned under those names as well. This was documented by Stefan.
Bill
What the hell are you on about?? Where do you get this rubbish from? Have you got nothing better to do with yourself?
What a bunch of arseholes you three are!
All
user's Farrah Day and Loner ,both long time members here ,are working to focus and understand this ENORMOUS technological advance, disassociation of water through various means
Chet
PS and they are Open source
Quote from: Farrah Day on March 20, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
If you look back Professor Brainstorm, you'll see that I never scrutinised your post, I simply asked a couple of legitimate questions, which you in your wisdom seemed to take exception to.
I was expecting you to come back with something by way of an explanation, with the view to further discussion, but instead you decided to try to belittle me. I realised you weren't up to intelligent discussion and I left you to it - no 'flame war' as you put it.
And besides, you talk of me wanting a 'flame war', when you go out of your way to stick the boot in of the other thread!
Kinesis has already proven himself to be amongst the most stupid people on the forum so any comment coming from him can be totally disregarded!
And as for Captain Pugwash...
What the hell are you on about?? Where do you get this rubbish from? Have you got nothing better to do with yourself?
What a bunch of arseholes you three are!
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Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 10, 2008, 06:06:09 PM
The 'BUZZ' and 'Meltdown' are one and the same...one gets the boot and another not so coincidentally pops up with the very same beefs and preoccupations...its groundhog day again.
I would suggest ignoring the troll just as before...when he will then start making mindless threats again and get booted...again.
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User Meltdown ( the same IP as user CabinBoy)
was now banned due to harrassing other users.
As I said, it has been documented so, I hope this answers your question. Captain Pugwash? Can you not do any better than that? Come on Buzz you are slipping here.
Bill
OK
No mention of FARRAH DAY
End of story, please move on nothing to see here
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 19, 2009, 04:12:14 PM
He was also on here as Cabinboy and Meltdown and was banned under those names as well. This was documented by Stefan.
Bill
Chet:
With all due respect, I just answered a question that I was asked in a very impolite way. There is the evidence. You raised another question, not related to this discussion. If you want me to answer that one, I will. Please stick to the topic here. Try to follow along as best you can, ok? PS We all know (except maybe you Chet) that Farrah Day is the Buzz. Wake up man!
Bill
I'm long past being civil with idiots, you're not worth the time or effort.
You've got a funny idea of evidence Bill - stick to being a pirate, you'll never make a detective!
Just a case of more mentally challenged individuals with nothing to offer and nothing better to do than bring down the general level of intelligence on these forums. Sadly alas, this is nothing less than I have come to expect around here.
Wow! That is profound. Can I quote you on that?
Funny that only Buzz knew I was a detective. Makes you think....hmmmm.....
Bill
Bill
I think your profile makes that pretty clear
Chet
not so ramset.
You remember that arcade game Whack-a-mole ?
Everytime a mole showed up you whack it with your hammer thing .
I say , lets play a new game .
Whack-A- TheBuzz , everytime you see somebody that sounds like TheBuzz you whack him , over and over and over again .
You Whack and Whack and Whack TheBuzz
Quote from: professor on March 19, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
Personally I think he might be alias Wizard of Mars same attitude and none belief!
DId I just agree with this low-life professor , after seeing the way you treated DrStiffler I feel like whackin you TheProfessor .
OMG I now worship TheBuzz when I see the levels of intelligence this site has .
The relevant information has been diluted by mindless chit chat of low-lives like TheProfessor .