Errr! I want free energy!! Doesn't it seem like it's always just around the corner? I've read about 100 or so free energy inventions and I come on this forum and it turns out none of them work! Do you think free energy will every get to the common man?? Has anybody really created an overunity motor or is this all a bunch of nonsense?? Is overunity.com just disinfo? I hate to be pessimistic but it seems like we're getting no where.
i think youll find its going to be around the corner for a veryyyyyyy longgggggggg time.
If you want free energy just go outside and stick a solar panel out there :) but yes as b0rg has stated, it'll probably be a while off.
Check out the 3-6-9 charger in the news section of the forum.
Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91eE
Two phenomena;
Faraday's law is a single equation describing two different phenomena: the motional EMF generated by a magnetic force on a moving wire (see Lorentz force), and the transformer EMF generated by an electric force due to a changing magnetic field (due to the Maxwell–Faraday equation).
James Clerk Maxwell drew attention to this fact in his 1861 paper On Physical Lines of Force. In the latter half of Part II of that paper, Maxwell gives a separate physical explanation for each of the two phenomena.
A reference to these two aspects of electromagnetic induction is made in some modern textbooks. As Richard Feynman states:
So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) ...
Yet in our explanation of the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases – v × B for "circuit moves" and ∇ × E = −∂tB for "field changes".
We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.
— Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
The reason for me posting this is a logical one, the two forms of EMF generation ARE NOT THE SAME. the Transformer equation is bound by the conservation of energy, EMF generated by a Motional Electric Field are NON CONSERVATIVE and therefore can produce above unity in which a Transformer can NOT.
"The Maxwell–Faraday equation is a modification and generalisation of Faraday's law that states that a time-varying magnetic field will always accompany a spatially varying, non-conservative electric field, and vice versa."
say that again....... NON - CONSEVATIVE Electric field. meaning a Motional Electric field does NOT conform to the Laws of Conservation of Energy and thus a system can be contructed that takes advantage of this very fact.
The Figuera system is such a device that once started it can and will power it's self and the load a standard generator and standard Transformer can NOT.
This applies to the standard off the shelf transformer ONLY as there are steps to side step this fact and the 1932 Coutier device does just that as does a few others..
Regards,
Marathonman
Free energy is very expensive! Those that have it spent a life time in labor and materials.
The 1932 Coutier device will be the easiest and cheapest to build.
Marathonman
I found the Coutier patent (not sure if it has been posted here before but I'll attach it here) but I don't think I could build it based on the info in the patent. Too many things it it and the diagrams are not clear. Very interesting though....
e2matrix;
A 12 or 24 volt to 120 or 240 volt converter can be the driving force pushing the first center core with maybe a power resistor or Rheostat possibly to keep it at say 1 amp. then at the middle feed back can be stepped down to the original 12 or 24 volts aided by caps and such.
I think the whole key is a few things like the outer cores must equal the center core plus the outer cores must have the same winding count as the center core. then on top of that the wire must get thicker in each set progresses.
each outer core will pick up 1 amp from the center core then paralleled to attain 6 amp.
saturation is the enemy in this device as it will clip the wave form.
Marathonman
Thanks for the additional info. Sounds a little bit like one of Don Smith's devices - the one with multiple resonant coils surrounding one center coil.
Quote from: e2matrix on July 27, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
Thanks for the additional info. Sounds a little bit like one of Don Smith's devices - the one with multiple resonant coils surrounding one center coil.
I'm assuming you're referring to Donald L. ???
yah, back in 85/86 I think, tried to reproduce it when I was about 12, but there was some pretty weird things going on that made me think something was hinky, I haven't tried since, maybe after I'm done with my current project, I'm about a month from final completion of a scaled up version of my "A-1C", (using my washing machine motor), looks beautiful, works better, so excited to take it to University of Mobile to have it certified by the E.E. department, tee hee
The 1932 Coutier device is not a resonate device, the outer cores pick up the magnetic field from the center core and because the winding count is the same the voltage will be the same. then you parallel then to attain 6 amp to the next set.
Marathonman
And each time you add a coil to the outside of the center coil you increase the amount of current drawn by the center coil. Simple transformer action. NO OU. Why don't some of you people try to learn at least the basics of electronics before you go claiming something is OU?
Quote from: citfta on July 28, 2018, 06:32:56 AM
Why don't some of you people try to learn at least the basics of electronics before you go claiming something is OU?
AMEN brother !!!
Read the patent idiot before you run your fat mouth is disclaim. your a pathetic researcher with a fat mouth.
The six outer core equal the center core "IF" you can read.
Oh, i'm sorry i spoke to the self appointed guru like that. ha, ha, ha ! what a fool you are thinking people actually care what you think any more Cifta. even the four year Physics student and a PHD in electrical engineering backed me up proving you don't know crap about the Figuera device.
go away, no one wants you here.
Marathonman
I'll go away when fools stop posting nonsense. And where is the video you have been promising for a year that is going to prove the magical part G works against the known and proven laws of induction.
it's like some kind of daytime drama, such drama and immaturity..........
"On the next episode of 'The Young and The Restless Inventors'.....will the technology prove itself? is Citfta right or wrong?, are the rumors about R2D2 being gay true?, is Marathonman REALLY Citfta's FATHER? :o
Find out next time on...........The Young and The Restless Inventors !!!
;)
As the patent reads the six outer coils have the same number of turns as the center coil. So the voltage on each of them will be close to the voltage applied to the center coil. But in accordance with the known and well established laws of transform action or the law of induction, when you start drawing current from the outer coils the current in the center coil will also go up to maintain the flux needed to supply the current in the outer coils. It doesn't matter if you have 6 outer coils or 2 or 10 the law of induction still holds true. If you draw power from the secondary the primary current increases. Even a first year electrical student knows this.
MM keeps making the same mistakes over and over. He just clearly does not understand how induction works. His wild claim for part G is that by changing the inductance of part G that will magically change the DC current going through part G. There is absolutely no proof anywhere that a change in inductance will have any effect on a DC current.
And you will notice that his only real response to a technical challenge to his claims is his resorting to name calling. He can't discuss things in a technical way so he resorts to trying to bully someone into submission by name calling. As he has found out more than once I am too old for that kind of foolishness to bother me. It just shows how weak his technical arguments are.
I do have to admit, everything I know, from my educational credentials and over 30 years of experience, I agree with Citfta
marathonman :
Figuera , um espanhol
Mukherjee, um indiano developper from a roto-verter published : DE2733719
"Electric genrator without external mechanical energy source"
Sabura, udm japones developper from a "dynamo"-transformer cycle
Published : JP2016174482 AC Single Phase Power supply device
Did you ever studied the conditioning from the FRENCH ACADEMY OF SCIENCE related the " perpetuum mobile" : "not possible " by the condition,that .......! 1.class/kind condition
2 .class/kind.
3.class/ kind
What is a "close cycle" ? Thermodynamically?!
Sadi Carnot cycle condition theoretical/practically Electric machines ever will work-on earth- with the Carnot cyle restrictions/liberties !
Electricity ia a gas: defined AS "electrons-gas ",since the international formal convention electron=ion
Now called " Ions-gas /Iono-gas" and also known as modern word-determination (Iono)"Plasma"
The easiest perpetuum mobile example :
an orbital 24/365 hours solar (away from the day /night restriction) energy converting solar-farm with energy microwave emission to earth receiver stations and sended to everywhere like by the telephone-cable system
For terrestric perpetuum mobile devices the student need to study the work and life from the ACADEMY members,especially named
Marquis ( not a sur/for-name , a title: Duke , from ducere/dux, "Herzog"the highest rang position before : King) de Laplace(operator-arithmetic,Monte Carlo Process,Analytic/Stochastik-tools)
the Eminenz Mr. Ampere (title-rank/position ?)and Mr.Biot and Mr.Savart
Because there is 1 law but known as Laplace-law and also as /idem Ampere-law and finally also /idem as Biot-Savart-law !
This law is related with F=Bil
Look for JN Naudin "push&pull" experiment and results and combine this with brother Flynn magnetic actuator
ANNALEN DER PHYSIK : Ordnung von Leistung/power zu Arbeit/work zu Kraft/force. zu Druck/pressure Zeit/time. Weg/ Gewicht. Widerstand
this is genious-research, multilingual, but ever observing C.G.Jung's " blonde Boese:" or Aristoteles " animo-anima-animalis and bestia- bestialis" potential, gentleman/-mens agreement condition
citfa,here a possibility - as hypothesis- for applied concentrating force fields, from kinetic forces toElectro-magnetic forces.
( Heinrich Gustav) Magnus Effekt
and the combination with the Bionik-faculty Prof. Dr.Ing.Ingo Rechenberg Analogondescription/explanation in the publication DE330899 "Arrangement for increasing the speed of gases or liquid flow "
Coanda Effekt and Coriolis force
Little man with little words backed by Dogma education that self appoints as the local guru know it all. :o
you know squat about inductance let alone self inductance. it could be you need to actually study self inductance for a change as you quite frequently seem to embarrass your self often sticking your foot in your mouth.
maybe an actual build of something might educate yourself but then again you will just tell the device it was wrong and that can't happen.
may God have pity on your sole as I sure the hell don't.
as for part G, you again are completely ignorant when it comes to self inductance as any change in the magnetic flux to current ratio will in fact change the current flow and even backed by Faraday, Lenz, and a PHD in Electrical engineering. not to mention all my bench work that proves you are more foolish and ignorant then you actually perceive yourself as. but as you being you everyone is wrong and you are right.
seems to me something in that little brain of yours is blocking your ability to learn something new.
have a nice day.
Marathonman
Marathonman started the Figura patent (s) here in Wroclaw (Breslau) University it looks good as the mathematical constructs, have exited EE ( s) as it looks like a fascinating build and very inexpensive.
Also note that here in Wroclaw a German dwarf from University of Breslau started all of the industrialization of the World, based on Tesla discoveries...
In America he is the father of AC.. So we here in Wroclaw take EE very straight and practical applications..
Sorry English is not smooth..
Keep on the straight road and no side distractions as misery loves company like those who don't have the best interests here, silence to their posts is the best..
Acca.
Acca;
Thank you and God bless you and your crew.
DO NOT EVER let someone tell you it can't be done as we would not live like we are now if it wasn't for that very attitude.
yes in fact there are people on this site with very bad intentions and I for one am not one of them as i do truly wish humanity would take another road.
Regards,
Marathonman
Quote from: marathonman on July 29, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
Acca;
Thank you and God bless you and your crew.
Quote from: marathonman on July 29, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
The most controversial subject EVER..... Religion. the biggest SCAM that ever hit the earth.
Hmmm.....I guess "God Bless You." is just a meaningless phrase, intriguing.
"DO NOT EVER let someone tell you it can't be done" really? If I tell you that you can't fly by just will power, will you jump off a tall building anyway?
"Hmmm.....I guess "God Bless You." is just a meaningless phrase, intriguing." Yes, it is.
From my earlier post in this thread some may have gotten the wrong idea that I don't believe the Figuera device as a whole actually works. In truth I do NOT know if it works or not. Some of my own testing has proven that using two opposing magnetic fields CAN in fact induce a voltage and current into a coil that is between the other coils that are producing the opposing magnetic fields.
However I HAVE for quite some time now totally disagreed with MM's ideas about how the part G works. His explanations go against all the known laws of electromagnetic induction. His false claim that changing inductance will somehow change a DC applied current just doesn't match up to the real world laws and experience of those of us with many years of experience in electronics. He has been claiming for several months now that he is going to show a video that proves how his part G works. But he has not produced that video. If you want to waste a lot of time you can go to the Figuera thread on the Energetic Forum and read how he has changed his mind several times over the last couple of years about how the part G works. It is clearly in the early posts he made on that forum.
You can also read in the matching thread there for builders how UFO politics tried to build a parr G based on MM's claims. You will see that I and Bistander actually helped UFO understand why it wouldn't work that way. His very extensive testing proved we were right.
citfa,do you know the Dr.Keith Kenyon " magnetic force amplyfing/neutralization" concept ?
What wants the russian Prof. Kanarev explain with his " Pulse Power"-experiments publications ?!
What shows the russian scientist Gennady Markov with his "transformer"-experiments ?!
2018 EE-4D-print lab
How many material is needed for an electric machine( motor,generator,transformer)applying the US Navy patent application, inventor: Eddie Sines?
- 80% related actually conventional transformer production
My technician here in Portugal built ten years before a transformer with more than 95% efficiency but
5KVA/8Kg power density. AC 220 V 50HZ output
Scientifical standart target,without HTM tech, 5KVA/1,5 kg
This is actually inverter-transformator standart value ( google: powerguru and planar transformer)
But he built also a magnetic double-coil electro-magnet motor,patent office approved and later granted.Kenyon and Imris experience inside.
You and your low life cohorts are complete liars and a total Troll not to mention a complete fraud. your total lack of understanding towards self inductance is laughable AT BEST.
I have NEVER change my tune with part G as self inductance device and as always you and you low life cohorts are and will always be complete utter liars and fraudsters.
anyone that listens to you and the other low lives are a fool including UFOP.
you and your low life Troll are self appointed know nothing BLOWHARDS that continuously blow smoke up peoples back side.
what a complete ignorant fool you are.
funny thing is YOU can not ever stop me, EVER !
CIFTA IS A TOTAL LIAR AND A FRAUD as is his little minions. they are paid to discredit, misinform and flat out lie. PAID TROLLS.
I will find out where you live.
Marathonman
Please don't hold back. A sure sign of not having a valid argument or point is ad hominem attacks.
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***Sigh***
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This is getting out of hand, good bye.
and whether it an "agree to disagree" or whatever, this is room is pointless and over,
good luck everybody with your individual projects.
Trolls are ruthless and will stop at nothing to discredit, redirect and destroy.
yes i know it is really disgusting isn't it.
good luck in what you do.
Marathonman