Hey Everybody,
This Forum is full of very useful information, but anybody has to admit that there it is very unorganized. :D. Not to underestimate though, its still very useful.
Anyway, the main point i wanted to make with this topic is that we should provide simple, step by step plans for making a simple, low cost, low voltage HHO on demand generator for use in nearly any vehicle. One set of plans for fuel injected vehicles, one set for carbourated. So far, it appears to me the following parts are required for a fuel injected vehicle:
1: Electrolysizer with bubbler
2: Pulse Width Modulator (PWM)
3: EFIE Controller
4: Timing Modification
5: Ceramic Treating for engine parts
6: Stainless Steel Exaust System
If i have missed anything let me know please.
Okay, so to my knowledge, you can omit the Ceramic Treating for your engine parts if you run of 97% HHO and 3% Gasoline/petrol. You may think that running off gas still is a bad thing for the enviroment, but from my reading it made it sound like at least 90% of the gas is burnt if not more. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Please Respond back and lets fix this problem by making it easier to put HHO in your Cars!!!
Hello Every one
Jack here
I have a question about carburetors
I have installed my hho generated fuel line to the inlet ion the back of my carb
where the pcv valve would generaly connect.
My motor still runs with the metering screws turned in all the way.
I have found a ton of info for installing an hho system to a fuel injected ingine
but very little for carbs.
so I guess my question is
Now what?
Thanks
Jack
Im not sure how you came up with that list but I think I can simplify it.
1: Electrolysizer with bubbler (Yes & Yes)
2: Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) ( I never had to use one)
3: EFIE Controller ( I never had to use one of these either)
4: Timing Modification ( ?? thats just crazy )
5: Ceramic Treating for engine parts ( have no idea what the hell this is for but someone is pulling your leg)
6: Stainless Steel Exaust System ( Ha Ha Ha .... why would you need SS ?)
Heres a list that works for me and I actually use HHO on my vehicle
1. a good working cell design (one that doesnt need alot of electrolite)
2. a bubbler or flashback arestor with check valve between it and the cell
3 a relay to run off the ignition
4 o2 sensor extender (spark plug anti fouler sold at Auto stores)
With this simple system I increased my MPG, better acceleration, plus I have no doubt that the emmisions are cleaner, why else would I have to fool the o2 sensor? :)
No you cant run 100% HHO with these simple systems but the technology is out there and it wont be long before its available to all of us.
I got all my info from the internet you just have to screen out the BS
Hey Jack
The PCV is very important, keep that connected to the carb and run your HHO supply tube to the air cleaner close to the carb but ( MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FLASHBACK PROTECTOR) like a BUBBLER or other between the cell and the engine. You may have to change the timming a bit and adjust the idle depending on the hho production of your cell.
Hope that helps
Hey Rocko
Quote5: Ceramic Treating for engine parts ( have no idea what the hell this is for but someone is pulling your leg)
From my reading, ceramic treating is required if going 100% HHO because the carbon deposites are destoryed and the pistons start to rust out. the SS exaust is for the same reason. it rusts out if 100% hho.
Quote4: Timing Modification ( ?? thats just crazy )
From my reading again, some timeing modification may have to be done because hho burns 10,000 times faster than gas, just a suggestion.
Real quick, what type of setup do you prefer for your electrolisizer?
and what excactly is an 02 sensor extender?
Thanks,
~RogueLeadR
If you find a simple low cost HHO that produces 100% let us all know about it.
But in reality a simple low cost HHO will only help improve what you have with you gasoline ICE
Yes timming would have to be set atdc for "100% HHO "
as far as SS exaust goes every ICE car ever made could use one with all the water and condensation that runs thru them now
The last I knew the pistons are made of aluminum and I havent seen any of them rust. in fact most if not all cylinder heads & blocks are made of aluminum now. If you were to dump the electrolite directly into the cylinders you may have problem but I have seen nothing that would suggest the need for ceramic treating. I actually use an HHo system, i know its not 100% HHo but there would still be some signs of problems if any of that were to be the case.
Theres alot of BS out there and its hard to tell who you can believe thats why the best way is to try it yourself
Good Luck and again if you find a simple low cost system that that will run 100% HHO let me know and build it.
yeah okay, maybe your right. There is a lot of BS out there, and i'm thinking that you're right.
So, i am currently working on a Dallas Goldbug style electrolysiser, you know, the wal-mart cup one lol.
I just need to find someone with a drill press, then i'll be done. That project is after i finish my trebuchet today, cuz that one has to be done for a grade :D
If anyone has any tips for low-cost electrolysisers let us know!
I saw that style and it looks like it works good. Just make sure your container does not leak as it will cause very poor hho production .
Also do not use baking soda its a big waste, KOH (potassium hydroxide) or NaOH (100% lye) work well. you can find them at the hardware stores with the drain cleaners.
1: build it
2: get it working at peak performance
3: then connect to the engine
good luck
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hi guys
i have read this thread and find some of these things said very interesting.
firstly a stainless steel exhaust will not be and never will be required on a hho system even 100% hho.
a efie unit should be used for optimum performance with a spacer you dont actually know what your o2 sensor is sending to the computer.
pwms are hit and miss and are really in there expermental stages as to producing major output.
retiming the engine only becomes necessary when running on 100% hho, this is due to the fact that the burn is 1000 times faster than petrol, so the timing will need to be advanced to about 27 degrees past tdc
i know this for fact as i have an engine running like this on 100% hho
ceramic coating of any parts is complete BS. When running on only hho the engine runs as clean as it did the day it was made, and since the burn is much cooler then there isnt even an heat or scorching aspect to think about.
if you require any more info then please ask
Cool thanks hydro. you're input was very clear and its cool that you're 100% hho. do you get any tax write-offs for that? i've heard some rumors about it but i never really fully believed them.
also, if anyone has any great cheap cell ideas, let's post them and get everyone started.
hi
sorry i forgot to put it before, the engine i have running on 100% hho is a 12 hp honda engine about 400cc. it would take almost 1000 litres per minute to run a 2 litre engine at full rev range.
If you buy an hho pwm you can control the amperage, regardless of the cell temp.
I recommend a setup like this: http://www.extremehho.com