i really have to ask, does your vote count?...i think not, just a show to make you feel better about the bullshit your about to get into.
Which lesser of two lessers will you choose?
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Ofcourse our vote counts. Things shure dont go the way most of us like but to give up is not a option. bOrg I'm not sure of your nationality but I doubt there are many Nations that are immune from corruption. Maybee you live in some kind of utopia? If so make up the guest room and well all be comming over.
For now this is what were'r stuck with and as bad as it seems it could be alot worse so ya we'll keep on voteing and keep hopeing. Hell I joined this site becouse I want to get better milage out of my Truck. If we quit learning we're really in trouble
vonwolf,
Quote"Ofcourse our vote counts."
I am not sure what country you are from but here in America, our votes do not count. They try to make us believe that they do but in reality, they don't.
Our country's government is probably the most corrupt of all and the worst part is that the average here is to damn naive to realize it.
nightlife
I am not sure what country you are from but here in America, our votes do not count. They try to make us believe that they do but in reality, they don't.
I'm from America that much should be apperent. there's more to life than just bitchen and moanning. Its easy to say whats wrong but it's alot harder to come up with any kind of solution I vote I'm not allways on the winning side but ido vote.And who is they anyway?
Quote from: vonwolf on October 05, 2008, 01:16:01 AM
...who is they anyway?
They are the federal reserve and their lapdogs in the mainstream press.
We the people want Ron Paul for president.
Instead we are, once again, treated to another dog and pony show.
Years ago I might have advised you to wake up.
Now I just you all to be quiet so that I can go back to sleep.
I'm in Canada and we are in elections mode also to happen near the same time as in the USA.
Here's a slogan I made up some time ago ......
"Each vote is a fiber in the muscle of a nation".
But nothing is more important then voters in the USA. I consider each USA voter is voting for 24 world voters and all are crossing their fingers that you guys won't junk in another Bush ass.
There is a war happening behind the scenes between the hidden powers and the body politic.
Why did McCain chose Palin. I don't think "he" did. He was convinced to choose her as the best alternative by the top powers and I don't think McCain even knows why. But I think this is because the Bushites have told him to run and use his military past as a passing card. They know he's more of a redneck then the higher powers and they also know all the other potential running mates would also not have run with the Bush doctrine (which is really not the Bush doctrine but instigated by those higher powers). So they convinced McCain to chose Palin who knows didly squat. Hmmm just like Bush. So McCain becomes president, then McCain gets assassinated, then the Palin puppet is now in place to continue the Bush crap.
So future Presidents should have chosen their running mate not for their ability to be a good president, but also to guarantee that should the President get assassinated by the higher powers, the Vice President and now new President would be their worst nightmare. This I think Obama did not do in choosing Biden. If I was Obama, I would have chosen or at least asked Ron Paul to be my running mate. This would have been as irregular a choice as McCains' choice of Palin. Except that it would have given Obama a much more concrete crack at the independants, Ron Paul is extremely knowledgeable and would attract more voters then Biden, although after Ron Paul, Biden would have been my second choice.
But the most important thing if Obama would have chosen Ron Paul, would be that Obama would ensure his own personal security against the higher powers because if anything happened to Obama, then Ron Paul would become President and we all know what that would mean. Ron Paul would have cleaned up the government from all the way up to all the way down. He would have cleaned up the FBI, CIA and NSA and he would have probably "had eliminated" a few of the Mister Bigs to show the other assholes that their days are counted.
One day the elephant will wake up and realize that small little chain around his foot is but an illusion, just like this 700B$ bailout will be written in the USA history as being the biggest crock pulled over the eyes of the American people.
One day the American people will realize that the Federal Reserve Incorporated is just another private money making business to whom they have given up their national born right to print money. Just like us shmoes in Canada with our Bank of Canada Incorporated. Just like in so many other nations.
So whatever the f&?k you do, vote, vote, vote and vote. Do whatever you can to push others to VOTE. Each vote is a fiber in the muscle of a nation. So if you want a "strong" nation You Have To Vote. Otherwise don't complain afterward. My advise, vote Obama, or, vote Independent only in those places were they are sure to win. Otherwise vote Obama to not dilute his vote.
If you vote Independent, then you are doing exactly what McCain would want you to do and that is, if you don't vote for me, at least you are not voting for Obama. Yes Obama could say the same thing, but I think Obama knows he is in a much better position then McCain, and Obama knows McCain is hoping to get his votes or get them diluted by the Independents.
What the Bushites hope for is that McCain wins so no one will go into the devastating details of the last 8 years. They are scared shitless that should Obama (or by fluke chance Ron Paul) win the Presidency, that Bush would then be impeached, Chainey, Rumsfeld and company would all be put in jail like those in Guantanamo while they decide which of the potential thousands of charges they could lay on their backs.
This is the knock out round. Rocky and Igor have been fighting for all those rounds and this is the last round coming up. To fight, you need some muscle and there is no greater way to fight then to be a fiber in that muscle of your nation.
Just think of this. After 8 years with these OIl Assholes, Palin has the gaul to brag that she is an expert in oil matters. Now if the American nation falls for this McCain/Palin, drill baby drill, sucking up to soccer Moms as if they had this right, through holy divinity, that all soccer Moms "are behind her" (what a farce), then we can only then summarize that the American nation will deserve another 4 years of continuous decrepitude.
Aye men to that seems as if I am not the only one who thinks Ron Paul should have been a canidate....
Its fixed man 100's of thousands of people turned out for Ron Paul...
The love him I love him no matter what he is it is the principals he discussed which are important the very threads of this nation have been woven with artificial patchwork we call amendments too much law and scrutiny does not lead to a better nation only freedom as it was the base and formation of every nation to be free from other nations rule.
Soapboxmode ON
It doesn´t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
Modern "democracy" merely gives the illusion of freedom... which pen would you prefer to live in sheeple?
Think about it... do you really believe that the central control systems of the government, the defense policies, the financial policies etc. are swapped out every time an election changes the party?.... No, no, no, the central control organisation remains unchanged, only the colour of the neckties changes on the puppets that speak crap on telivision, the grand plan remains unchanged and if that grand plan continues then the planet will find itself in a bipolar all out war situation and that is SHIT!
What is sold to us as order is in reality disorder and chaos, for a system to reach equilibrum and true order it must be left to self organise. I think the best system would be free law and a free market, void of patents, copyrights, intellectual property and other such nonsense. Rest assured if someone was errant in their behaviour then the community would sort them out. The animals seem to be doing just fine and so could we be, I´m sure there are more than enough resources for us all to be happy.
I have faith in the goodness of mankind, when you engage with a person and give them respect from one animal to another then you will get respect back, wheras modern day politicians are just tyrants propogating paranoia and fear, they are intent on creating a "society" where everyone fears everyone else and instead of people sorting out their own problems they have to go through the central controllers. I have many times engaged with young youths who are considered "troublesome", EVERY single time there is a regular loving warm person inside, just that society has labelled them as bad and thus their very souls have become crushed and they have started to doubt their own goodness.
I have never voted in my life and as long as I draw breath I never will.
Soapboxmode OFF
edit: having said all of the above, if you must vote in the USA elections then vote Ron Paul.
Whether it counts or not (made glaringly obvious in the 2000 election "Florida F&*$ UP") I still exercise my right to vote... Heck I have a better voting record than half the idiots in congress!!!
I like the high ground... If I don't vote, I have no right to complain. If I didn't work and lived off the system, I would have no right to complain about the conditions affecting the beat down workforce. If I didn't pay taxes, I would not have a right to complain about how they blow our tax dollars.
So even if nothing else comes of my vote this time,I have "earned" 4 more years of the right to complain ;-)
There isn't an industrialized nation in the world where your vote means anything at all.
How can it...when all candidates acquiesce to bribes and or threats ???
Regards...
Not to mention there are State and Local elections that have alot more direct impact on most of our lives, Local comisioners,school board, Judges, Mosquito control ect. there's alot of good people trying to do a good job not all of it is this nationalized scum and Midia biased bull $hit.
Oh ya I think you guys give Bush too much credit, the man's a idiot.
Pete
Those who think that our votes count are blind. Those who think we are in control are blind. Those who think that those we vote for can make a differnce for us are blind.
Wake up people!
Here is a good question for those who believe that our votes count.
What politician ever did what they said they would do while they were campaigning that did not help big money more then it did the average?
At this point there is only one thing worth voting for...and that is for who will plant the explosives at the next meeting of the Builderburgers and the next Bohemian Grove 'weirdo creep-fest'.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on October 05, 2008, 07:27:34 PM
At this point there is only one thing worth voting for...and that is for who will plant the explosives at the next meeting of the Builderburgers and the next Bohemian Grove 'weirdo creep-fest'.
Regards...
screw voting, lets take two short straws,and draw one each :).
They haven't driven me there yet borg. :)
Can't say I wouldn't roast marshmellows around the fire tho.
Kooombyaaaa. :)
Regards...
Cap-Z-ro, "Can't say I wouldn't roast marshmellows around the fire tho."
I'll bring the marshmellows. ;D
No they just do as they want!
Earlier in the week, I reported via this blog, the shipment of 800 Billion AMEROS from the USA to China. Many of you called "bullshit" on the posting, claiming it was a hoax. I now offer irrefutable proof.
Below is a video of me holding one of the actual 20 AMERO coins sent to China. Additional coins with face values of 50 and 100 AMEROS were also sent from the U.S. in addition to paper currency shipped BY the U.S. from the currency printing firm in Europe!
Since the Chinese presently hold about $2.3 TRILLION U.S. Dollars in cash from our trade imbalance, the Chinese demanded and got billions of the new AMERO currency in advance of everyone else.
China made this demand to ease its exposure to the financial disaster that is going to take place when the U.S. Dollar is de-monetized; declared to be "not money" by the U.S. Treasury.
The 20 AMERO coin shown in the video below was minted at the Denver Mint, evidenced by the "D" stamped onto the obverse of the coin. The coin bears the year 2007 which proves our government has been planning the collapse of the U.S. Dollar for over a year!
The bottom line to all this is simple: The U.S. dollar is going to be intentionally exhausted into worthlessness. Anyone holding any assets denominated in "dollars" such as Checking accounts, Savings accounts, IRA's, 401-K's, Pensions, Stocks, Bonds, Money market funds, will wake up one day to find all their "dollars" are no longer "money."
Those persons without gold, silver or foreign bank accounts denominated in foreign currencies, will be left instantly, totally, destitute; unless they accept the merging of the US with Canada and Mexico into something called the North American Union (NAU) and take the new AMERO currency for pennies on the dollar.
http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/
Azal wow I'm totaly convinced and the best part of all is that 20 Amero seems to be made of chocolote very wise we can eat our new Money.
It's not chocolate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2J2lNusJs&eurl=http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-have-obtained-actual-amero-from.html
Wake up people!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo&feature=related
I hope I'm stating the obvious here, you can make coins like that at old minning Tourest traps Like Silvere Springs Co. Not saying its not possable he might be telling his prception of the truth. But Phony coins can be made up all over it'll take more than this for me
Quote from: hypersoniq on October 05, 2008, 03:15:32 PM
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I like the high ground... If I don't vote, I have no right to complain.
...
So even if nothing else comes of my vote this time,I have "earned" 4 more years of the right to complain ;-)
I voted in the last election. So, by your calculation, I have another month left to complain.
Even after this election, if I choose to vote for none of the above because Ron Paul is not on the ballot, then I have every right to continue to complain because of the way that he was sidelined by 'them.' Why should I be denied my right to complain when they give us the false-choice of 'slow death' or 'quick death' and take 'life' off the ballot?
FYI, I will be voting. But I refuse to vote for Tweedledum or Tweedledee in this media frenzied two party system. I already hear it coming: "you're throwing your vote away if you do not vote for the lesser of two evils." Bullshit! Where is my pillow? >:(
@hartiberlin,
Please delete this thread. It has nothing to do with overunity. In fact, there are a good number of threads that have crept in here that have nothing to do with overunity. There are plenty of other political and spaceman forums on the web. It is a big distraction from our task at hand. Sure, keep the ones that directly address political suppression of overunity devices, if you wish. But this one and many like it may be only indirectly related to those suppressive powers.
guys read post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1312.msg56667#msg56667 and the posts after that! (relating to the voting system that is)
Quote from: vonwolf on October 05, 2008, 10:54:38 PM
Azal wow I'm totaly convinced and the best part of all is that 20 Amero seems to be made of chocolote very wise we can eat our new Money.
I can see from your post that you have checked the links! Now pop down to your local sweet shop & buy some! ;)
In case you never noticed the $ is worth - 12 trillion.
Ok first I voted for Dr Ron Paul in ohio's primary. Anyone that thinks their vote counts keep voting but I understand that my vote is no more than a poll that someone is taking, it doesn't count in the end.
Second, someone said that if you don't vote you have no right to complain. Wrong. The fact that you do not vote is a complaint or a vote of no confidence as in none of the above. You are saying that you are not satisfied by the choices that have been brought before you.
Third, why should we have to choose between the lesser of two evils when we are presented with the evil of two lessers?
Why do you think that the two major parties platforms are so much alike? Why do they engage in petty bickering instead of focusing on important issues? Why did they bring a whole battalion of our army troops back to american soil on october 1st of this year (to assist in civil unrest, natural disaster and crowd control)? It is because they know that a revolution by force is not possible and now they are assuring that a peaceful takeover of our corrupt government is not possible as well.
sorry about the ranting. This is just my opinion. Dan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTahZE4q90U
Quote from: radicalzero on October 06, 2008, 08:21:41 AM
Second, someone said that if you don't vote you have no right to complain. Wrong. The fact that you do not vote is a complaint or a vote of no confidence as in none of the above. You are saying that you are not satisfied by the choices that have been brought before you.
Third, why should we have to choose between the lesser of two evils when we are presented with the evil of two lessers?
If you have a paper vote write across it Ron Paul or what ever, then you are at least protesting!
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Quote from: azal on October 06, 2008, 07:46:45 AM
I can see from your post that you have checked the links! Now pop down to your local sweet shop & buy some! ;)
In case you never noticed the $ is worth - 12 trillion.
Sorry azal I should not of made fun of your beleifs, I don't agree but you didn't deserve that
Quote from: vonwolf on October 06, 2008, 03:49:22 PM
Sorry azal I should not of made fun of your beleifs, I don't agree but you didn't deserve that
I don't mind mate, I use £pounds so no skin off my nose! I don't know if its true or not, but if you are an American you should be making sure, just in-case. Funny thing is, the paper work for the join up of Canada & Mexico with the USA is posted on the Canadian gov website, so that is what they are going to do in the end! ;)
Your presence at the polls legitimizes a corrupt process...can't you see that.
Why do you think they work so hard to convince you to do it.
Remember when Al Gore won the election in 2000 ??
I just can't understand why people are not catching on...they are not even good lies anymore.
They just say anything and their slate is clean again...it doesn't even have to be relevant or make sense.
Regards...
Cap-Z-ro, "Your presence at the polls legitimizes a corrupt process...can't you see that."
I have been called a traitor and told it is my civil duty to vote but I stand firm on my refusal to vote because I feel it is my civil duty to not promote a corrupt system such as we have.
Our higher levels of government is too corrupt and I think it has got to the point where we don’t have a chance unless we the people over throw it.
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 09:38:04 PM
Cap-Z-ro, "Your presence at the polls legitimizes a corrupt process...can't you see that."
I have been called a traitor and told it is my civil duty to vote but I stand firm on my refusal to vote because I feel it is my civil duty to not promote a corrupt system such as we have.
Our higher levels of government is too corrupt and I think it has got to the point where we don’t have a chance unless we the people over throw it.
this is why i will NEVER vote, i dont support BS.
....has anyone ever wondered why they do the oppersite to what they say befor they get in to power?
....and if you ACTUALLY start to do what youve said you would(the good stuff that should be done any way under any gov)your dead meat.
....surly that in it self should be a warning that they LIE to your face.....lets just put some lip-stick on it.
More and more are beginning to see through the ruse like you guys.
I just wish more would take a moment to consider it.
To many, it seems that someone stole their pursuit of happiness and replaced it with a life of trivial BS which they would never have ordinarily otherwise considered.
We all could have had enriched lives...but instead, we let the clown at the circus hold out wallet while we went on a ride.
Its not too late though...not yet.
Regards...
One question I continue to ask when confronted about my reasoning is "Show me one politician who has actually done what they said they would do that didn't benefit big money more then it did the average?"
I have yet to get a answer. LOL
This is all bullshit.
Don't give me this "it's useless" crap.
Each of you have a local representative. They are not all involved in these underground movements. If you vote, you will give him or her your local muscle. And when he or she has 70% of popular vote, he or she has the right to demand to the president an accountability because a good portion of the presidents power stems from this representatives power, and when more of these local representatives all start demanding, then the nation will again be reborn. But they have to be pushed forward by the people.
You choose.............
Sob sob away you fools who think not past your nose.
And sleep on the thought that you are ignorant of your real power. Ha Ha Ha.
When all you need to know is "the enemy is thy fear itself".
Then when everyone votes and eventually there are good Independents running. OK so vote IND. But go vote and quit crying. This, like I said is the final round. The winner of this round will instigate a nice chummy world order or will be the one who imprisons those who like nice chummy world orders.
When shmucks don't vote, their local reps have little actual "muscle". So they become unimportant.
OK If you managed to look at a few of the YT's referred above, you will realize that for this to be good for the higher powers, both sides should fight and the result must be 49-51% of the votes. They need this to be in that percentage so each side stays at bay, nice doggy, sit, sit, give me your pawn, awww nice doggy.
Pure Equilibrium is 50/50 so just a tad off of that and they are in business.
For the body politic this equal opposition of forces stifles their powers and practically neutralizes the momentum of the people to trample all over the higher powers themselves. Which could all be done in a day and a half.
So the only logical real enemy of the higher power is a major disequilibrium of the voting results.
If they get one voted in at let's say 70%, with 80% voter turnout, each one of the local representatives will have more power to then "demand" that the will of the people prevail. Politicians will then know that the people can give you power or take it away.
Put it this way. I'm sure Obama is not an Illuminati nor does he have a formal accreditation to Skull and Bones types. Yes I could be wrong but still at the base of himself, I think he is still a human. If he had that level of the nations muscle in his arm, I know he will be able to put these Worldorderians at bay.
Folks, this is the final round before the shit hits the fan. Last call. Final move. Last pitch in the game. Don't screw it up by staying home. Get it done.
Here's another one.....
"Each vote is a disequilibrium potential that generates power to the people."
If 60% voter turnout and 51/49 result, that's 30% of the voters control 100% of the bounty. Man oh man, that's a bad deal for the people but a good deal for the higher ups. What we need is voter turnout for Obama or Ron Paul.
Imagine the ideal, at 60% Obama, 30% Ron Paul and 10% McCain what do you think would happen.
With Obama on the charge and Ron Paul checking his back, there is still a chance here for a major clean-up.
Now don't get me wrong about McCain and Obama. Yes they are each one side of a coin. Hmmm. A nice Amero coin. But unfortunately these are the guys "right now" and regardless of who, if either had a grand majority, this will still destabilize the higher powers because the unbalance will hurt them either way and the new president will have the power to do the will of the people and not have their hands tied by an equal vote, hence no excuses to not accomplish the will of the people. Also, it's just that I think McCain will have a stroke in 2 years and I dread to see Palin in the Oval Office. Palin was a plant by the higher ups but she probably does not even know why. This is the whole point. If Obama can have a strong 8 years, he is young, he is willing, he is intelligent, he reads, he can formulate a one sentence paragraph of 12 lines. Cripes, the world wants Obama so how good is that for Earth popularity week. This is a f*&kin no brainer. Just vote and trust and do good around you.
For the people to prevail, all must refuse to abdicate their voting power. If they do abdicate their right to vote, then a small group will control your lives for 4 more years.
Except that all 'independent thinkers' end up 6 feet under.
Cases n point JFK, RFK, MLK...to name a few.
Regards...