Hello everyone,
With the latest turn of events in my country (USA) and the behavior of other markets throughout the world, I was wondering what might happen to internet communications should partial or full collapse of world monetary concerns.
Right now this very communication method we're presently using (internet) to share news and information is something that nationalization of communications in any country could deprive us of in the future.
This being the case, I was wondering if an alternate computer networking medium might be explored to make sure that the actions of one country, or several, could not bar the communication we presently enjoy for work, play, and education.
The idea that has intrigued me over the last 6 months is based on a technology of Nikola Tesla in ground based wireless radio transmission. If such a technology were available to everyone and the cost of an internet connection was driving a stake into the ground, I'd HOPE that it would enhance (at the very least) the internet we all know right now and make sure that political agendas would not be able to deprive us of the internet that brings our world closer together through communication.
Has anyone else considered this to be a possible series of events and wondered what alternate technologies might be able to at least augment, if not replace the present wired means we're using now?
I would like to propose that investigation into free communication is as important (if not more so) as free energy and see if others do as well to look into the possibility of creating a new network not dependent on the wire resources of businesses.
While you may think this alarmist thinking, I'd like to ask that you consider it seriously and think about what methods of replacement could be used to supplement the present internet structure we presently use.
This type of "free communication" is too important to loose!
If you have an idea of what Tesla was proposing, or have an idea of your own, please start a thread about it and open source the ideas so they can be tested and implemented ASAP.
Please consider this and offer your ideas to the community as the quest for "free energy" will lose a lot of momentum if we can't talk as easily as we do now.
..it should be more important.
Lets all make our Radio Amateur license and go back in time to where it all started it wont be the same but it is better than nothing.
professor
Quote from: b0rg13 on October 07, 2008, 12:30:20 AM
..it should be more important.
Indeed, it is (IMHO) more important. Uncensored communication is a foundation corner stone for learning new knowledge and maintaining freedom! ... KneeDeep
Quote from: professor on October 07, 2008, 12:51:29 AM
Lets all make our Radio Amateur license and go back in time to where it all started it wont be the same but it is better than nothing.
professor
See? There's a small problem there.
Ham radio operators are a very important resource in case of national emergency and have done great things in those times of emergency, so much so that they are given the opportunity of getting special vehicle license plates and need to be licensed to broadcast by the FCC.
If things were to turn in a bad way where communication methods outside of approved ones would be stopped, registration makes it fairly easy to stop this long range method (ham radio).
Data sending over ham wavelengths is possible but very slow and prone to error depending on distance.
I actually was wondering if someone had any information about Nikola's claim of much faster wireless transmission via ground wave.
Then it would be a matter of making transceiver schematics available and I bet Hams (radio operators) would be building it themselves (as well as others since it is a newly discovered open wavelength hopefully).
This is very oversimplified, but I was just wondering if others had thought about the subject.
I may not read all the threads here or follow all the links in the ones I do, but I do like some of the content provided by members and would miss it sorely should it become unavailable.
The web is a great resource for education, insights, and views about important topics that I might otherwise not have available to me and I would miss that too.
black's law dictionary defines license as "The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission would be illegal."
so i need permission to marry, permission to drive, permission to conduct business, permission to communicate... ad infinitum ad nauseum.
so much for separation of church and state, constitutional rights to travel freely and unencumbered, etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum.
so much for freedom...
everything is important except freedom ;)
this thread really excites me! great idea! lets push this as much as we possibly can! maybe we can own our own open source satellite network! :)
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Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 07, 2008, 04:05:14 AM
this thread really excites me! great idea! lets push this as much as we possibly can! maybe we can own our own open source satellite network! :)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
@FreeEnergy
That'd be an interesting thing, but satellites are very expensive so I don't see it happening tomorrow. ;)
@ all
After googling "tesla ground wave wireless" I found a bit of reference on the 'Net about his research and it's uses.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html seems to think Tesla made an error in why this effect works, but not it's workability
http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/teslahaa.htm battles the association between Tesla and HAARP
http://montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology posts a simplified view of the tech and way it would work (there's also a free energy tie in when it is suggested that electricity broadcast this way is able be received in the same quantity by multiple receivers
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5607.msg130062 a post here about a manufactured kit that has been dormant for a few weeks
http://www.teslatech.info/ttmagazine/v1n4/valone.htm brings up well footnoted historical evidence as to why this technology is being investigated today (well within the decade) for decreasing the losses of wire transmitted electricity
http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/wireless_102.htm tries to narrow down which transmission method may be responsible for the effect.and tightly coils it with wireless power transmission
http://milan.milanovic.org/math/srpski/tesla/tesla3.html Tesla's own writings and drawings of the effect
www.mwr.medianis.net/pdf/Vol7No2-05-AMarincic.pdf explains a bit about the tech and cites it's proof in ELF (extremely low frequency) discoveries 50 years after Tesla's claims
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_tunguska02.htm is a reference to the ever infamous proposal that Tesla experimentation was the cause of the Tunguska event
http://users.beotel.net/~gmarjanovic/1Superluminal.html is a theory of spectral analysis of the transmission method with a nice graph of wavelengths
http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/2006/Apr/msg00420.html is an interesting thread discussing the difference of Hertzian waves (electromagnetic radiation) and electrical waves trying to define that difference
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2382754/Nikola-Tesla-The-Wireless-Transmission-of-Power is a paper written studying the definition of "non-Herzian waves" as described by Tesla
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/groundradio.html has a lot of information (too much for right now...that'll take a while to digest) that seems to be applicable to the topic
I have lots of reading to do to get up to speed on this.
Just throwing out some material to keep this thread going. ;)
This is very corious!!!
Before starting to be interested in the free energy research, I researched in free communications. The first idea I had was writting a computer program to re-zip the files. So, a 700 Mb file could be zipped in 10 Mb or maybe less. I spent a lot of months testing and testing and finally I had an possible way to do that, but the big problem is that today computers has not capacity to do that.
My second idea was to build a simple homemade device like Wi-Fi, to communicate computers that are very far away. The problem is that no one help me in the project and I ended the project and I saved the 'theories' in a file inside my closet. But I can read what I wrote and re-start the project again.
The compression Technique (First Idea)
You know that common comressor like winrar, winzip, etc... use a low efficient algorythm to compress a file. If you have
000001111100000111110101010101000110 then the program do:
0x5;1x6;0x5;1x5... to compress the file. I think that technique is called run-length method. There are other techniques, but no more effectives. That works when you have a low-entropy file (non chaotic data), but when you have a high entropy file like... 0011010011100001110000101010111010000111001011000101011001010 the compression program can't do miracles with the file.
My compression technique works in this fashion:
You have the file (low or high entropy file) then, you extract the Key Data (a critical information to re-construct the file) and you only have to store the Key Data to re-build the file later. The idea is to extract patterns from the file, a very specific patterns, to identify and build the original file, so using this technique you don't need to have the original data of the file because you only have its patterns. In the picture, you can see better the process.
First, you have the original file. A film for example.
Original Size: 701,345 Kbytes
Then, you create a minifiles because the amount of combinations and patterns of a 701,345 Kbytes file is almost infinite, so you have to work with little files. For example... 5000 Byte files. When you have that 5000 Byte file, then you put inside a specific data to make easiest the re-build of the file. This is made because when the program re-builds the file is easy to check if the result is the correct file, because the program can look for that specific data to check if the file built is the desired one. This step is important because the program can generate a file that has the same patterns of the original file, but the built file could be incorrect, so if you check for that Key Data is easiest to identify the correct file. Before this step you have extracted the amount of each byte of the minifile.
Example:
Byte 0: 155
Byte 1: 34
Byte 255: 54
The next step is to extract more patterns. In this process there are 2 steps, the first one is to identify the patterns of the Minifile+KeyData file. The program extracts the patterns of that Minifile+KeyData file and then the program extracts the patterns of the encrypted Minifile+KD file. So, the program encrypts the Minifile+KD and extracts more patterns. The program repeats this operation with the rest of minifiles until the program has completed the 701,345 Kbytes. When all is finished, then you merge the minifiles to create only one file. Then, you can repeat the same process to re-compress the file again.
OF COURSE, THERE IS A LIMIT IN THE NUMBER OF TIMES YOU CAN RE-COMPRESS A FILE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACTLY AMOUNT, BUT YOU CAN'T RECOMPRESS THE FILE AGAIN AND AGAIN. THERE IS A LIMIT, BUT I WANT TO SHOW THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS HIGH EFFECTIVE IF WE COMPARE IT WITH THE COMMON COMPRESSION TECHNOLOGY.
The second idea is to build a special device to send information over the world. It can be done using a device that send waves to the ionosphere and then the wave propagates until the second point that receive the information. Of course, this is more complex and you need a parabollic antenna in each building to accomplish this. But the best option is to build a little device to connect to each computer.
Quote from: Magnethos on October 08, 2008, 11:59:18 AM
The second idea is to build a special device to send information over the world. It can be done using a device that send waves to the ionosphere and then the wave propagates until the second point that receive the information. Of course, this is more complex and you need a parabollic antenna in each building to accomplish this. But the best option is to build a little device to connect to each computer.
well i think u missed one obvious solution :) we have existing wi-fi already and u can use point-to-point connections to reach any host,just like u do with the cable internet.Much simpler,smaller delays and already available.This would handle country wide internetworking.U can also use powergrid lines to transmit data.Ur idea can be used for intercontinental transmition.
Quote from: Creativity on October 08, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
well i think u missed one obvious solution :) we have existing wi-fi already and u can use point-to-point connections to reach any host,just like u do with the cable internet.Much simpler,smaller delays and already available.This would handle country wide internetworking.U can also use powergrid lines to transmit data.Ur idea can be used for intercontinental transmition.
I haven't forgotten your Obvious solution. I thought on your solution and it's not as easy as you say. Of course, we can use point-to-point connections to reach any NEAR host. You have to remember that Wi-Fi devices has a transmission capacity of 54 Mbps so, you have to think that we need to share the internet, so if we use a Wi-Fi device, then a very big amount of information from computers near of you need to pass throught your wifi device. That means, you wifi devicen won't be able to send that high amount of information. And yes, there are device to send information throught powergrid lines.
I mean that we can to build a device to send information interconintenally, using a special device. We have to study waves physics and read more stuff. Using the intercontinental technology you won't need to send all the information near of you throught your wifi device. Using this technology you can send information point-to-point directly.
imagine what kind of a collision space would u introduce if everyone will be communication with anyone directly through ionosphere.It is undoable,that's why internet is based on routing of packages through common routers rather than direct connection and that's why local networks were inroduced and not one big WAN.What i meant is to create local (much smaller) collision spaces and a hierarchy of collision spaces to handle intercontinental communication.U can setup Wifi routers just as u do with a cable version nothing new to solve here.Anyhow we will be all wireless in no time,with cable just as a back bone.That's why i would not be much affraid of no alternatives for internet,rather alternatives for backbone cables access that can be manipulated.
Plus just how much power will u use in ur concept to connect to ur friend 3000km away?And everyone would have to have a dish?
Quote from: Creativity on October 08, 2008, 02:02:24 PM
imagine what kind of a collision space would u introduce if everyone will be communication with anyone directly.It is undoable,that's why internet is based on routing of packages through common routers rather than direct connection .What i meant is to create local (much smaller) collision spaces and a hierarchy of collision spaces to handle intercontinental communication.Plus just how much power will u use in ur concept to connect to ur friend 3000km away?
Explain me more your idea, seems to be very interesting. Detail how is possible the intercontinental communications, I don't understand what you mean.
Quote from: Magnethos on October 08, 2008, 02:06:37 PM
Explain me more your idea, seems to be very interesting. Detail how is possible the intercontinental communications, I don't understand what you mean.
what i said is that if u were to communicate with everyone in a direct manner,u would get a total chaos in ionosphere.Not to mention that u would have to have either very precise positioning system to send focused beams of messages what would be probably pricely to build and maintenance prohibitive solution.U could go for all-directional sending but then messages would be corrupted by other messages being send in the same time globally(interpolation of electromagnetic waves).In second case u have a global collision space of messages,it means only one person can send at a time.Read about the radio internet between Hawaii islands to get some more insight(ALOHA medium access protocol)
But if u introduce a local collision spaces with a relatively small amount of hosts communicating,the chances are smaller that all of them will send at the same time.Locality can be introduced by small power routers (for example like the one standing on my desk) visible withing max 100m range.In my neighbourhood there are 6 wireless networks visible and yet i suffer no noticeable slowdown.If all of those networks were unprotected we could use eachothers connection to enter internet.In fact anyone in these part of city would be able to use this internet for free.
In this space we occupy we can designate a boundary routers to handle all networking between neighbouring spaces and ours.If u scale this up u can cover whole city with wifi internet.In that case city is build up out of local collision spaces.
Communication between cities can be achieved by introducing a semidirectional wifi with limited range lets say 100km.
Intercontinental connections can be realised by what u proposed.Then let say 1mil of users can be charged to build a directional precise dish to connect to another dish on the other continent.All of networking would go through here.
that's the main picture how i see it.Of course radio communication is not so obvious as u have to buy a frequency band.Count rain and fog absorption as a problem for some types of wave lenghts+ radio visibility.Anyhow wifi band is paid already by manufacturers of wifi equipment,limited power senders are also not so strictly controlled by laws so clusters of small local networks with inexpensive routers is the easiest and cheapest way to go IMHO.Hope i answered ur questions.
PS:reread my previous post ,as i was editing it in the time when u wrote ur post.
Yes, I understand better the system. But I have still a question...
you said Communication between cities can be achieved by introducing a semidirectional wifi with limited range lets say 100km.
How you increase the wifi range? You say By introducing a semidirectional wifi. I don't understand that. Do you mean that we have to introduce a powerfull wifi antenna? or a wifi amplifier antenna? Or what?
a router would have to have more powerfull sender and possibly some repeaters with amplifiers on the way between cities. By semidirectional i meant that a beam of radio waves is almost like a beam of laser,so covering only a small radius over the desired distance.Normal wifi antenna sends the waves all around it,by that it also looses range but wins covering of bigger area.In the city covering of the bigger area is desirable.Between cities there is no one to use internet so sender power would be wasted if a standard antenna would be used for intercity communication.By focusing a wave beam u can send it greater distance with the same power of amplifier.
@ Magnethos
It's good to see that others have had ideas for a project of this type!
File compression will be a major concern as it will significantly decrease the amount of data using the medium (radio broadcast networking of a type yet to be discovered or used).
Your compression scheme is a good one that I can see very few ways of improving it (but since I'm not a programmer I'm sure those improvements have some sort of caveat that I presently don't understand).
I was wondering if the networking device (radio) could have it's own operating system to interpret the signals coming in and re-organizing them into the original file content.
File header and footer information could be in an internal database so they could then be shortened into identifiers in the keyfile to added in place with the data to reconstruct the original file content.
I'll leave this part up to you though. ;)
My focus is the radio side of things.
Both making a radio networking device that would be fast enough for data, and figuring out an addressing scheme and challenge/response to make sure only the intended recipient is able to decode the content they requested.
There's lots more here that I haven't addressed yet, but I think the radio part is the 1st step.
But contributions of any type are always welcome!
@ Creativity
That's why I was looking @ the Tesla concept as it's not as dependent on things like power lines and other infrastructure requirements. It would all depends on the reach of the ground wave radio signal.
present technologies are good, but what if the infrastructure is not there to support it?
I started the above post and didn't finish it until much later and missed the last 5-6 posts until I had posted it.
@ creativity
I doubt that a new spectrum would have the traffic to totally clog it immediately, but if a new spectrum was realized (this is why I focused on "over the horizon" radio like Tesla's pro ported one, or shortwave, or ELF, except the 2 latter are either monumentally slow or error prone) it might have the frequency room to start with that congestion wouldn't be an immediate concern.
Routing would be a serious issue with growing popularity as well as an addressing scheme (although IPV6 does hold a lot of promise and headroom) but to begin with I was considering (should Tesla's radio method be found) that the radio would be a hardware networking device (router) to start with being hardware (MAC) addressed with packet inspection routing coupled with frequency identifiers for multiple streams of data re-assembled from both compression and out of sequence reception order, as well as 1st level encryption.
Infrastructure to support the ever growing number of users and create localized subnets will be implemented as popularity progresses just has is has w/ the present wired and wireless 'Net. Perhaps the inclusion of a 3rd "OR" bit could be introduced or some such nonsense
As mentioned in some of those links up above I posted, Tesla's radio did not seem to have the speed issues of Hertzian wavelengths (so who knows the frequency capability) and was said to have over the horizon capability not dependent on trans-Atlantic cable bundles or satellite relays. This was the heart of the matter I was looking at.
If for some reason those resources were not available, wouldn't it be nice if there was an alternate means for PC to PC communication?
This is why the radio is the central point of the matter. The other plus is that it also works as a power receiver and would have some beneficial aspects that way.
I want to learn about that and verify its workability and speed to see if there's any reason to go farther because without that there really is no need to worry about routing and congestion.
I have a lot of studying of my own as well as learning from the study of others interested in this radio, and then experimentation to find out if it's faster than shortwave (which is our only present alternative should something happen to the present 'Net infrastructure) before I worry about addressing schemas and routing topologies.
Then, if warranted, I see the situations you mention coming into play in a major way.
I'm sure DARPA wasn't able to even conceive of what the 'Net is now @ the time of it's conception and birth. ;)
aha m wir müssen alle blind und taub s. "wie die 3 Affen"ein und nicht weitergeben !
Ber wir haben doch ein wenig mehr "Gehirn?"
Sollen wir nichts erfahren , von Politik ?
Nichts von Weltgeschehen ? (UFO, WTC,TESLA)
Soll ein Wissen nur denen vermittelt werden , die das Geld haben Bücher zu kaufen , aber keine Zeit und Möglichkeiten etwas zu bewirken , und sei es nur die Weiterbe !?
Sollen die "Pharaonen" weiterhon die Möglichkeit haben,
ein Wissen zu unterbinden ?
Dies ist doch nur geschehen um dem "Volk" eine Macht
zu nehmen. Denn Wissen ist Macht.
Mit dieser Macht , und kritischem Erkennen der Vorgänge
(auch im Finanzgeschäft) kann man sicher Gefahren erkennen und vermeiden, dass Geschäfte gemacht werden, für die das Volk nachher "bezahlen" muss
GP
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aha m we must transmit everybody blind and deaf see "how 3 monkeys" one and not! Nevertheless, rep. we have a little more "brain?" Should we find out nothing, from politics? Nothing of world events? (UFO, WTC, TESLA) for having to go a knowledge only to those are provided, they the money have to buy books, but to cause something no time and possibilities, and it is only the wide heir!? Should the "Pharaohs" weiterhon the possibility have to prevent a knowledge? Nevertheless, this has only happened to take a power from the "people". Since knowledge is power. With this power, and critical recognising of the processes (also in the finance business) one can certainly recognise dangers and avoid that deals are made for which the people must "pay" after GPOne example
More the one sample of surpressed knowledge we find here in this "OU.Forum"
The last, was:
http://www.truthnews.com.au/radio/wordpress/
Hey guys!
I was thinking about this project and I found a very usefull information.
We know that we can't transmit information intercotinentally using a small transmiter. Of course, that is true if we use electromagnetic waves. But... What about using SCALAR WAVES?
Scalar Waves can pass throught anything without losing power!!
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skasynctest.de%2Fengl%2Ftechnology1.jpg&hash=f7340042c45108179ad7fae85594536e5ef681f0)
Some applications of scalar waves :
- Inter-continental data connection for replacing microwave satellite communication and optical cables layed in sea beds.
- Communication between business units, warehouses, remote offices, government offices, corporate wide virtual private networks (VPN)
- Satellite communication
- Communication in travel, airplanes, trains, ships etc.
- Space communication, space station, planes, other planets
Some properties of scalar waves :
Depending on the transverse component of the wave, the speed of the wave can be of near infinite.
Since scalar waves are not material (like neutrinos), these type of waves can travel through any type of matter including walls or Earth itself.
Energy transmission of the waves are 100%, there is no loss, only the rezonance point and frequency matters.
Due to the rezonance frequency, communincation can be of many form and can be channelized just like a conventional fm/am radio.
The sender antenna senses if the receiver is not receiving.
Scalar waves are travelling via the vacuum and not via matter as electrons do for example.
Some properties of scalar waves :
Depending on the transverse component of the wave, the speed of the wave can be of near infinite.
Since scalar waves are not material (like neutrinos), these type of waves can travel through any type of matter including walls or Earth itself.
Energy transmission of the waves are 100%, there is no loss, only the rezonance point and frequency matters.
Due to the rezonance frequency, communincation can be of many form and can be channelized just like a conventional fm/am radio.
The sender antenna senses if the receiver is not receiving.
Scalar waves are travelling via the vacuum and not via matter as electrons do for example.
@ Magnethos
Exactly sir.
It's been theorized that scalar waves were what Tesla was working with (allusion found in above sites I posted). They would seem to mirror his claims for his radio.
I'm looking into "legitimate research" on scalar waves but so far it's labeled under the heading of Pseudo-Science so it's hard to get much valid testing of the idea.
A bit of googling brought up a torrent download of a paper by Prof. Dr. Konstantin Meyl
(links from the paper)
INDEL-publishing department www.etzs.de
Prof. Dr. Konstantin Meyl www.k-meyl.de
Radolfzell, June 2005 www.meyl.eu
....that could be valid reference for experimentation.
I have yet to read it, and so don't know the quality, but this is the type of media I was referring to.
Keep thinking on it.
I am, but not posting because my "research" leaves a lot to be desired as of yet.
@exxcomm0n
Yes, there are very few information about scalar waves technology. The only sources I know are some books of Tom Bearden and a website that I found some days ago... I have searched in amazon.com and I can't find good infor about scalar waves.
As you, I have found some books about
Scalar Wave Technology - Konstantin Meyl
Scalar Waves - Konstantin Meyl
I know Scalar Waves are also called Longitudinal Waves
Well, we can buy online a scalar wave kit, but the problem is the kit is too expensive. Around 1500$
More books about SW technologies:
http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/index.php?cPath=1
Do you understand deutsch? Because I understand very very little.
Scalar Scalar Wave Kit: Waves.http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/index.php?cPath=3
But... I have found a website where you can buy a Scalar Wave Wifi adapter??? SWi-Fi
http://www.konor.org/SWi_Fi_Konor_org_EN.pdf
JLN Scalar Waves transmitter experiment and schematics:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm
JNL SW experiment replication:
http://www.ctglabs.com/swt2.htm
Read the stuff and let me know your opinion. I can't read it now because I'm programming. But I will answer you when you reply.
http://ep.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP
Publication -Number GB157263 Year:1922
and
this (compare with the new Dr.Pavel Imris "capacitive winding"-documentation )
Publication-Number GB157262 Motor Improvement Year:1922
Applicant: Otto Traun Forschungsanstalten
DE19532731 Transceiver Antenna Applicant: Martin Hauck
It works ! As FE-machine-part, a radio-tele-communicator !
Today the "Aether" is the "tele-communication-space" ( antenna-emissing/receiving-waves). In Germany: "Funkaether=Rundfunk-Wellen".(Richtfunk/Peil-Sender/...)
Sincerely
CdL
@Magnethos:
I built JLN's scalar wave device as shown in your links.
It is a very interesting device. I can confirm that I got the same results with it that JLN did. It sends a highly directional beam that does indeed penetrate shielded rooms. I built this device in 1999 and at that time the best shielded room that I could find was the elevator in my building. You could not receive AM or FM radio in the elevator, but the Scalar Wave transmitter's signal was easily heard.
I have no idea if it is actually producing scalar waves, or even if they exist, but Naudin's device is definitely interesting and worth experimenting with.
Unfortunately mine is in storage, 3000 km away, so I can't experiment with mine, just now.
As I recall, the parts were simple and cheap, and the coil is easy to wind.
@TinselKoala
The most importand doubt I have is....
How far away can a scalar wave travel? I mean... Can we build a medium size scalar wave transmitter to send intercontinental information? or we need a very big and powerful scalar wave transmitter if we want send intercontinental information?
This I do not know. I could only test the JLN device over a few tens of meters.
Some scalar proponents claim that there is no attenuation due to distance. I doubt this, but certainly mine did not seem to fall off at the expected inverse-square relation.
I have only read that you can send information at almost infinite speed to any point, but there was a factor that you must to user very well because if you don't use that factor good, then you could send information to ALMOST any point, not at all points. But I don't remember what factor was.
I think that if one could incorporate the Schumann resonance cavity of the earth as the capacitance of a resonating system, it might be possible to transmit power, and information, without losses from one point to another within the cavity--that is, anywhere on the planet. This would require physically large apparatus and lots of "bias" power (by which I mean power that would not necessarily be dissipated, but which must "slosh" around in the resonance for the system to be useful.)
@TinselKoala
Very interesting, we know that we can send waves throught earth if the wave resonance = schumann resonance. The problem is...
A. If we use EM waves @ 7.83 Hz... maybe the buildings can absorb that EM waves. Using this system we would need parabollic antennas and send the info to the sky and the wave starts to bounce Ionosphere-Earth until the wave arrive to the destination point. That is possible because I have see it in some documents.
Example: Satellit Communications VS Earth-Ionosphere Communications
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B. I don't know if Scalar Waves have frequency like EM waves. I know how to send information throught light, you can see it in youtube, so if any kind of wave can carry information the scalar waves can carry information. The problem is we know very few about them. I think we can start building a little scalar wave transmitter and receiver as you can see here:
http://www.ctglabs.com/swt1.htm
and starting doing some tests and see if scalar waves have some frequency and study them. We could start sending some voice information like a walkie-talkie and study the devices.
I'm involved right now in other project and I can't start building one scalar wave transmitter but anyone can start building one. The device seems to be very easy to build and let us know some information about the projects. When I have a few free time to building one, I will build one of this.
Some interesting stuff:
http://www.fluxcap.com/HDR_Caduceus_Coil.htm
Important points
EM Waves are also called Tranverse Waves and carry...?
Scalar Waves are also called Longitudinal waves (and electrogavitational waves?) and carry Radionic Data
Google Video: Professor Pharis Williams - Scalar Electrogravitic Communications
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-3703735856092803728&ei=y1IUSZ-eFYL82wKc65yhAg&q=scalar+wave&hl=es
Google Video: Weather Modification - Energy Weapons - Bearden
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1206755406732314597&ei=EFQUSci0LI-G2QL2irTxCw&q=scalar+wave&hl=es
Hmmm--yes. I am aware of the Bearden and the Williams work. The Caduceus coil described in the link from fluxcap is interesting. The JLN device that I built also used a Caduceus coil but it is much larger, and is wound in a way that makes more sense to me, coming from a more traditional "ham" radio antenna design background.
The scalar wave/Schumann resonance thing seems to me to be different from the diagram you posted. The ionosphere bounce effect has to do with ordinary transverse EM waves. I think that the SR cavity must be seen as a huge capacitor. When one plate of a conventional cap is charged, the field between the plates, and the other plate, respond--well, how fast? Instantly? Perhaps--and through the scalar wave mechanism. So too in the earth's SR cavity--maybe. So one doesn't need big parabolic dishes like for the transverse EM--but rather one needs a way to influence the charge on one or the other of the SR capacity's plates, either the Earth itself or the ionosphere. I think this is what Tesla was trying to do with the Magnifying Transmitter at Wardenclyffe.
The scalar potential can indeed fluctuate over time, thus having a frequency. Indeed this would seem to be necessary for information or power transfer, as well as the excitation of the Schumann resonance in the first place. So there would be a heterodyning, of a higher frequency carrying information, imposed upon the VLF Schumann "bias" energy sloshing around in the SR cavity.
But I think you are right about the buildings--almost anything of the right shape and size might couple to the scalar resonance and extract power where it wasn't wanted.
The more I look into this type of tech, the more it seems a double edged sword.
I think the first step is to build scalar transceivers and test @ "home", then test between tester locations (preferably w/o blowing something up, which seems like it COULD be a consequence of energy transmission).
@ Magnethos
The scalar WiFi does look interesting, but does not give a lot of supporting documentation as to how it's supposed to work.
I find it difficult to really buy into it w/o an access point using the same broadcast media (unless it's [ScaWiFi adapter] a really powerful transceiver itself meant for ad hoc wireless communications ).
I'll try to mock up the schematic from JNL or ctglabs w/ the am radio receiver for the home test and if Magnethos or TK would happen to have one as well then we could test point to point over long distance to measure speed and reception.
I'm not trained in electrical arts, but have enough experience to solder a breadboarded schematic together (if'n I can dig up resistor color banding codes and stuff again as that is kinda foreign to my experience) so I'll start sourcing parts to see if I can build a working replica to test.
The fact that it can broadcast to a "shielded" receiver a few feet away is nice, but not proving much in my opinion towards it's viability as a new transport.
I can't say how fast it will happen as I'll need to harvest a few parts from dead cordless (not cellular) phones and other dead devices, wind a coil, and put it all together (probably w/ a few PM's bothering the more knowledgeable members here about construction.
But if you're up for a small diversion gents, I'd be willing to give it a test as well.
But give it some thought (even if just between yourselves, should TK be able to rescue his transmitter) since I think it could be a interesting project.
@exxcomm0n
I have just sent an email to the company asking for more information about the SWi-Fi adapter. When I have the information I will reply here. It's impossible to use the adaptor without an access point, but if the waves can travel too far away, we can use point to point connection. Of course, we can do that with a few computers, because if we want to connect a lot of computers we will like a Server. In the documentation I have read that the device can send information up to 7.2Mbps. But you can read the books that you was downloading from torrent about the scalar waves.
I can build one if you need to test intercontinental communications. I live in Spain, so... we're too far away. But I repeat, read a little about the Konstantin book because you can learn some basic laws about the transmission using SW.
I'm now in another project and I'm building and programing a device to send information throught the parallel port of the computer using a program. So, the things I'm learning could be usefull if we want to build a Scalar Computer Transmission System.
IIRC, the JLN device that I built operated on a LF band, around 120 kHz or so. I just happened to have an old Radio Shack receiver that could pick up that band, as it is (was?) used for certain navigational and weather signals. I happen to have this receiver with me at my current location. Unfortunately the scalar transmitter is in storage and is unreachable, probably for some months. I suppose I could build another one...it was pretty simple, used a 2n3055 power transistor and minimal other components I believe, and sent a carrier that was unmodulated, but had a button that would "ping" or put an audio modulation on top of the carrier.
I could act as a receiving station, as I do have that receiver, and also lots of other detection gear available.
But why/how do ordinary conventional receivers work to pick up the scalar transmissions anyway? I never could figure that one out.
(I'm near the north shore of Lake Ontario, in North America)
@ Magnethos
Excellent sir. I'll be interested in what they have to say about the device.
7.2Mbs seems a little slow for WiFi these days (isn't g standard something like 104Mbs?), but would be easy to live with if the broadcast area was greatly enhanced.
If you're interested in testing that would be a good thing, but will be probably more immediately realized w/ the assistance of TK.
I'll read the Konstantin documentation tonight to see if I can understand it more fully before I try to play with it (scalar wave).
If you'd like to build one to prove the concept and perhaps improve it, I think it would be a good idea and I'll try to build one too for a point to point transmission test, but I'd have to study the JNL schematic to build as I've not seen any other yet.
@ TK
You bring up a point I'm wondering about as I've seen many references to LF, ELF, and SW bands when scalar wave or Tesla radio is discussed and was wondering whether or not it might cause interference w/ frequencies already in use, or being of a "new" transmitted nature, open a new non-interfering use of those frequencies?
I noticed while reading the low frequency radio entry in wikipedia that the 120kHz you mention is one sometimes used by a European radio navigation systems DATATRAK and that was why I was curious if the scalar wave cause interference .
From what I'm reading (the pdf I allude to above) it's describing the scalar wave as a thing that can use the magnetic portion of the waves content to form a vortice layer around the electric part or frequency of the wave essentially forming a conduit with little to no losses.
I am getting about 1/10th of what the document is relating as it is a bit math heavy in using the proofs of Maxwell and Faraday to prove the existence of the transmission method, and still have many pages to go, so It'll take me a bit to understand WHY what I soldered together works (if it does).
I have a multi-frequency radio from the 70's that gets SW and other weird bands that might be useful for testing and am located in the mid USA near the Mississippi river region so I might be a good short test distance in relation to Spain. ;)
As to the antenna arrangement for scalar waves, and how regular radio can receive the signals, your guess is as good as mine at the moment.
But I'm working on that.
@exx: I don't know about interfering with other frequencies, other than the one it was operating on, that is. I didn't think to look at its output with a spectrum analyzer when I was testing it back in those days. I certainly would try to do so if I do build another one in the next little while.
It sure did wipe out anything at its fundamental carrier frequency, though. You could tune the receiver to the freq, just hear static. Turn on the scalar tx with the antenna pointed away, still hear static. Sweep the antenna toward the rx, and when pointed right at the rx, you'd get a strong signal pegging the signal strength meter that wiped out all static and was perfectly noiseless. Then push the "ping" modulator and get the audio. It was this "ping" that made it through into the sealed metal elevator, IIRC.
@exxcomm0n
I have received a mail (an automatic mail) saying me that they have received my email and they will contact me as soon as possible. Yes, 7.2 seems to be slow, here in spain the most common connection is 6 Mbps and the fastest home is 20 Mbps (for home users) and people download 4 or 5 movies each day with that kind of connections. The important point is establish point to point communication, then we could research in the speed, but this is a second factor.
Man... I'm involved in some complex projects right now, but... of course. Today I get some money and I can buy the components to build one device. I'm seeing that there are 2 projects, the Version 1 from JLN and the Version 2 from ctglabs.
I think Version 1 of JLN labs is the best because ctglabs says...
The device is said to transmit longitudinal signals which can pass through faraday shields and be received by a radio receiver.
Today I cannot confirm thisTK said that he was able to obtain the same results as Jean Louis, so the best option is number #1.
About the books, I have just download 1 from torrent called:
* Meyl - Scalar Wave Transponder - Field-physical Basis for Electrically Coupled Bi-directional Far Range Transponder (2008)
You can find more info in www.scribd.com (it's a website about books, like youtube is for videos) and there you can find another BIG book of Konstantin Meyl and the Scalar Waves. 657 pages.
The best idea I think is build 2 devices: one transmitter and one receiver. I have only seen the schematics for the transmitter but I don't know if we can use each device as a transmitter/receiver or one to transmit and another one to receive.
TinselKoala: What do you know about this?
I have seen more homemade devices in google, so I think there must be more schematics in the net, maybe inside Konstantin books there are more schematics to build the device.
I have just found another one that I saw some days ago to create scalar waves using quartz crystal
http://cosmiclifesite.com/id29.html
I think we can learn more about it if we read about Radionics. I don't know much about Radionics, but I think this science study the effects of healing a pacient at distance. We know that we can change the cell patterns of the body and create disseases or cure them throught scalar waves. And we know also that scalar waves travel in the 4th or 5th dimension, and in these dimension the waves are free in space and time. The wave there are no space or time dependent. Common EM waves are space dependent (I don't know about time dependency), so we can't send information to a place too far away. SWaves are free in space. I remember that some years ago I read that gravitational force was the fastest one, because we can feel gravitational effects instantly from all the entire universe and I have just read that scalar waves are also called electrogrativational waves.
I'm reading also that a scalar wave transmitter must be sphere shaped (sorry for my english). I mean, we have to use sphere instead the coil*
* References:
1 http://www.hpathy.com/research/images/chatfield-research-overview.jpg
2 http://www.montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology
@TinselKoala
QuoteBut why/how do ordinary conventional receivers work to pick up the scalar transmissions anyway? I never could figure that one out.
From Wikipedia:Scalar field detection by normal RF antennasEven though a scalar wave train does not contain the regular EM components that are used by radio frequency communications, it can still be detected by a normal RF antenna, if that antenna is in the presence of some other static magnetic field. When the scalar wave train passes through, it will create a disturbance in the field surrounding that magnet and make the field lines move, which will impart a small electrical current in the standard RF antenna, as if the magnet itself were moved.
Since all normal RF antennas are immersed in the magnetic field of the planet, they can serve as crude scalar detectors, though the reception will be extremely weak and washed out by any normal RF in the vicinity. Detection ability is greatly increased by enclosing the antenna and circuitry in a faraday cage, and by placing a very strong magnet near the antenna inside the cage.*
* Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)
You can also find 2 more articles in wikipedia about scalar waves
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory
Wow, thanks Magnethos, the Wiki article might be right. The rx I used uses a longwire wrapped around a ferrite core for the LF reception, and I certainly could see that there would be an EF-MF interaction in there. I wish I had tried a strong magnet to see if it influenced reception of the JLN device.
I've long been aware of Meyl's work but it's just too dense for me, I have never been able to get thru more than a couple pages before my eyeballs cross and the smoke starts coming out of my ears, so I have to go put it back in.
Speaking of which, it's time for my breakfast...
(Radionics I'm not sure about. I definitely feel that vibrational frequencies in whatever medium must have physiological and psychological effects, but the Radionics devices that I have actually seen make no sense whatever to me.)
@TinselKoala
I don't know about radionics, I typed that because I read it somewhere... but I have to learn about radionics and read about scalar waves section inside the Radionics.
I have finished reading * Meyl - Scalar Wave Transponder - Field-physical Basis for Electrically Coupled Bi-directional Far Range Transponder (2008) and now have a little better understanding of what theories by Tesla, Maxwell, Faraday, and Bearden are referring to.
It answered a few questions that I've had about radio broadcast methods as well.
It seems the operative theory is that Hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 the electromagnetic wave, and in doing so, are creating the background radio "noise" that's present, and is using a brute force method of applying more electrical energy in relation to distance coverage to cancel the effect of the noise and deliver a signal.
It seems that the scalar wave, unlike the Hertzian wave that works by applying the same amount of electromagnetic wave energy to all points of its broadcast area, is more like a one wire energy delivery method that uses the common ground as the completion of the circuit and uses sympathetic resonance to attract the air broadcast-ed "one wire" segment into an almost beam-like point to point transmission from transmitter to receiver and therefore being a much more loss-less transmission method.
As to the antenna type for scalar transmission and reception, the paper confirmed my suspicions that a flat coil with one end grounded and the other end terminating in an elevated sphere (Tesla? ;) ) would be a good starting point.
Even though I am not able to follow the mathematics very closely, it seems to be describing that the theory works like a air cored transformer with the primary and the secondary spaced far apart using common ground and resonance to "beam" a signal from point to point canceling the noise/interference effect and allowing minimal losses.
The magnetic vortice portion of the transmission is formed between the air and the ground path encapsulating or tunneling the electrical portion?
@ Magnethos
We have the same documentation so please post to let me know if my understanding described above is what the paper describes to you.
I will research the www.scribd.com larger book by Konstantin, but now knowing how long it took me to read the 2008 document, this will take me quite a while longer.
I will study the JNL schematic and try to put together a shopping list for it's parts.
For antenna formation, I'm going to study how Tesla's Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe towers were constructed and how it is similar to the theory in the paper, and get an idea of cost and construction of a much smaller copy.
@ TK
Your experimentation seems to point to the difference between a directional, and omni directional antenna in using the wave to slice through the Faraday cage of the elevator and was perhaps directionally dependent because of lack of a common ground to create the vortice or tunnel?
That could be the reason why the ping was directionally dependent.
I have little better than a layman's understanding of electronic/radio theory or application so feel free to suggest how I might be mistaken.
EDIT
I've just read the recent posts and can maybe offer a theory why radionics has a place in this.
The Konstantin paper alludes the "Sparks Disease" that radio operators used to suffer when much lower frequencies of the radio spectrum were used and that this was fixed by using the higher band frequencies.
Could it be that these lower frequencies were resonant with biological (or earth) frequencies and would therefore effect electrical activity in the brain or other organic matter causing an effect?
I read of an Italian radio theorist (who worked with Marconi) that reportedly used radio wave resonant frequency to effect organic matter and transform (this is where it gets a little hard to believe) an apple tree to a pear tree and grow a squirrels tale on a rat (the tree types and animals maybe different).
There are many theories about electromagnetic waves and their effect on organic matter, enough so that I should recommend a word of caution about experimentation with this as it's an unknown.
Now I have to see if I can find information about organic matter frequency and a multi-band variable frequency transmitter and making sure I try to stay out of the "organic band".
@exxcomm0n
I have downloaded the book you have just reading and I was looking for information in google. I'm going to print the book and read it.
Reading your post, I have understood that hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 EM Wave, so... the problem is not the 'building and material absorption' of the waves, I mean that we think we need more power if we want to send too far a wave because the buildings and some material are absorpbing/lowing the wave power (common science explain this). So, the correct theory is the real problem is the use of the EM waves? I mean, we start using EM waves in a bad way, so there is an effect that creates interference, not for the presence of the buildings and materials... the interference is because we don't use the EM waves in a correct way? Sorry for my english.
Here you can find additional info I have just read about groundid and spheric terminals:
http://www.montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology
So... What about the JLN trasmitter? I haven't seen a ground connection. The device seems to produce only scalar waves, but it's not effective to use if we want intercontinental communications.
Of course, study the JLN schematics because my knowledge about electronics is absolutely basic.
About the antenna, I have found some information in google that we can use the same device, but we need to use spheres instead the mobius or caduceus coil (the difference seems to be that caduceus coil use JLN tube and wiring and the moebius coil uses a scalaw wave transmitter on a crystal core, quartz).
I remember that some time ago, reading the relaxation time in a conductor theory of Tom Bearden, I read that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days. This means, the current doesn't flows in 3 days. The relaxation time in copper is extremely fast. So.. this could be interesting to be researched because during 3 days maybe, we can send only pure potential waves?¿
Here you can see info about the quartz core scalar wave transmitter
http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/build/lessons/more_j/orgone_gens_02.htm
I don't know about this, I only post this because anyone could have a brilliant idea reading this.
I have read also that anyone can build a Galena (mineral, I think Galena is the same word in Spanish and english) radio. And galena is a crystal... so... if we can build a galena radio (receiver) I'm sure we can build a galena transmissor. Why I'm typing all this? Because remember that we can use crystal as the core of a scalar transmissor. So, if Galena is a crystal and can act as a receiver, Quartz crystal could be also act as transmissor and receiver.
I have found in a portuguese website that Galena is a powerfull pulse transmitter. Maybe we could use quartz as a transmitter and galena as a receptor and build a mobius coil. I need to research more about that, this is pure theoreticall.
Meyl website: http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0
So, all this is pure theory and I need to research more to get clear ideas. But maybe reading these lines someone can apport new ideas.
@TinselKoala
From WikipediaRadionics is the use of blood, hair, a signature, or other substances unique to the person as a focus to supposedly heal a patient from afar.One of the most important factors in scalar waves is that the receiver starts to resonate at the same frequency as the transmissor. There is like some kind of magic involved.
From research notes montalk.net
The wireless system consist of a transmitter and receiver with identical resonant frequencies. Both are earth grounded. When one oscillates, the other also starts oscillating no matter how far away. (...) First, notice that both transmitter and receiver ideally use spherical metal terminals. Why spheres instead of thin metal rods like conventional antennas? Because what is being broadcast is not transverse EM waves, but longitudinal.I know that each person has some personal identifiers like ADN, morphology and the... Frequency. Each person has a personal resonant frequency that is like the Aura. Each twin has his own natural frequency. So, applying what I have posted above, we can influence in any person using an hair of that person or other cell because the part and the person has the same resonant frequencies. So, the part and the person can interact at distance throught scalar wave phenomenons.
I have finished this non-scientific post. I'm going to print and read the book and post scientific data.
EDIT:
QuoteI've just read the recent posts and can maybe offer a theory why radionics has a place in this.
The Konstantin paper alludes the "Sparks Disease" that radio operators used to suffer when much lower frequencies of the radio spectrum were used and that this was fixed by using the higher band frequencies.
Could it be that these lower frequencies were resonant with biological (or earth) frequencies and would therefore effect electrical activity in the brain or other organic matter causing an effect?
I read of an Italian radio theorist (who worked with Marconi) that reportedly used radio wave resonant frequency to effect organic matter and transform (this is where it gets a little hard to believe) an apple tree to a pear tree and grow a squirrels tale on a rat (the tree types and animals maybe different).
There are many theories about electromagnetic waves and their effect on organic matter, enough so that I should recommend a word of caution about experimentation with this as it's an unknown.
Now I have to see if I can find information about organic matter frequency and a multi-band variable frequency transmitter and making sure I try to stay out of the "organic band".
Yes, all kind of animal, plant or human life is based in electrochemical reactions. That means that electricity can interact with organic matter. You can health disseases and of course, induce disseases in anyone. If you want to know more about that, you can read stuff from these authors: Wilhem Reich, Raimond Ryfe, Hulda Clack, Robert Beck, George Lakhovsky,etc...
PS. I'm going to read the entire book.
Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
@exxcomm0n
I have downloaded the book you have just reading and I was looking for information in google. I'm going to print the book and read it.
Reading your post, I have understood that hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 EM Wave, so... the problem is not the 'building and material absorption' of the waves, I mean that we think we need more power if we want to send too far a wave because the buildings and some material are absorpbing/lowing the wave power (common science explain this). So, the correct theory is the real problem is the use of the EM waves? I mean, we start using EM waves in a bad way, so there is an effect that creates interference, not for the presence of the buildings and materials... the interference is because we don't use the EM waves in a correct way? Sorry for my english.
Your English is much better than my Spanish.
You are correct in stating what you have above as that is what the document seems to be describing to me.
The electrical interference is both physical absorption of the electrical wave and the "noise" created by the unused potion of the wave.
Because of not using the magnetic portion the correct way, buildings and other objects in the path will be able to absorb a part of the wave electrical energy since it is creating a "bath" of the signal radiating out in all directions with the same strength.
The scalar wave is different because using the magnetic part of the wave isolates the electrical portion of the wave so it is not realized electrically until it finds a receiver it can resonate with and de-couple (or separate) so it is then able to benefit from the beam-like directional effect while still being omni directional as far as distance is concerned until is able to "complete the circuit" and have the pulse, or frequency of the signal generate the information transmitted (voice/data/energy).
Again, this is my understanding of the document. Please read it and tell me what is says to you.
I'll be looking up the scribd book soon and start reading that.
Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Here you can find additional info I have just read about groundid and spheric terminals:
http://www.montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology
Thank you.
EDIT
I had read this documentation before (In fact i posted the link earlier in this thread).
Thank you for reminding me of it since while reading the Konstantin documentation it conflicted with what this site had said, but I didn't remember where I'd read it.
The montalk.net site alludes to the Tesla transmission method furnishing the same amount of transmitted energy to multiple receivers with each receiver receiving the full transmission strength (equating in "free energy"since the transmission energy is realized once, but received at the same strength in multiple locations) while the Konstantin document says that the receiver that is closest would receive all the power.
I suppose experimentation is the only way to find out which one may be correct.
Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
So... What about the JLN trasmitter? I haven't seen a ground connection. The device seems to produce only scalar waves, but it's not effective to use if we want intercontinental communications.
Of course, study the JLN schematics because my knowledge about electronics is absolutely basic.
About the antenna, I have found some information in google that we can use the same device, but we need to use spheres instead the mobius or caduceus coil (the difference seems to be that caduceus coil use JLN tube and wiring and the moebius coil uses a scalaw wave transmitter on a crystal core, quartz).
I remember that some time ago, reading the relaxation time in a conductor theory of Tom Bearden, I read that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days. This means, the current doesn't flows in 3 days. The relaxation time in copper is extremely fast. So.. this could be interesting to be researched because during 3 days maybe, we can send only pure potential waves?¿
From what I've been reading it's the antenna type and shape that influences the broadcast type and makes the JNL transmitter directional (as you say above).
The sphere topped tower with earth ground seems to be more omni-directional.
But experimentation will prove it one way or the other.
Piezo-quartz might make a good signal modulator/demodulator since it vibrates when electrically excited (I think, if I remember correctly) and would be electrically "transparent" to the signal?
Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Here you can see info about the quartz core scalar wave transmitter
http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/build/lessons/more_j/orgone_gens_02.htm
I don't know about this, I only post this because anyone could have a brilliant idea reading this.
I have read also that anyone can build a Galena (mineral, I think Galena is the same word in Spanish and english) radio. And galena is a crystal... so... if we can build a galena radio (receiver) I'm sure we can build a galena transmissor. Why I'm typing all this? Because remember that we can use crystal as the core of a scalar transmissor. So, if Galena is a crystal and can act as a receiver, Quartz crystal could be also act as transmissor and receiver.
I have found in a portuguese website that Galena is a powerfull pulse transmitter. Maybe we could use quartz as a transmitter and galena as a receptor and build a mobius coil. I need to research more about that, this is pure theoreticall.
Meyl website: http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0
The crystal radio seems to be a good choice (either quartz or Galena [lead sulfide]) because of the use of the "cats whisker" to concentrate the received electrical energy onto different parts of the crystal using that to tune the frequency?
I'm out of my understanding here, but trying to make sense of the small pieces that I can understand.
Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
EDIT:
Yes, all kind of animal, plant or human life is based in electrochemical reactions. That means that electricity can interact with organic matter. You can health disseases and of course, induce disseases in anyone. If you want to know more about that, you can read stuff from these authors: Wilhem Reich, Raimond Ryfe, Hulda Clack, Robert Beck, George Lakhovsky,etc...
PS. I'm going to read the entire book.
I've downloaded the larger document from scibd and skimmed through it enough to see that there are 2 distinct schematics for signal and energy transmission radios that may have been tested with (although they seem to be similar to the JNL schematic from VERY vague comparison).
EDIT
I think this documentation discusses how this wave form can be used radiologically too.
Please look at the larger 600+page book and see what you think.
@ TK
Would you like to have the shorter documentation from Konstantin so you can compare your understanding of it to ours?
Please PM if interested and I can mail it to you.
@Magnethos
You mentioned that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days.
Does anything have a relaxation time of negative 3 days?
I would like to use it to send my self the winning lottery numbers. ;D ;D
Actually I wanted to know what this statement means. And how we could make use of it.
Where can I find the relaxation time for other materials?
There is already a suitable non-electromagnetic wireless networking scheme that is an approved Internet standard, as defined in RFC's 1149 and 2549.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2549.txt
The needed infrastructure is low-tech and straightforward to set up.
@ not_a_mib
The closest I want to come to avian datagram packets (even w/ QoS) is trying to keep my parrot away from my laptop. ;)
Thanks for the smile though. ;D
Hello everyone,
Perhaps this will help:
A technology which will make all current communication methods obsolete was developed in 2001.
“AN INTRODUCTION TO GLOBAL SCALING THEORY†by Dr Hartmut Müller.
It was published in the August-September issue of the NEXUS magazine.
I scanned the last part of the article but I am unable to attach it because of file size limitation (100KB) of this Forum.
Since this is my first post, I don’t know how to embed pictures (and I noticed some posters even include videos in their posts).
If some of you can tell me how to do this, I will try to post this most important information!
Best regards to all,
Les Banki
Hi Les,
No better introduction than to come bearing gifts. ;)
Welcome!
I'd be interested in the documentation and I'm sure others in this thread would too. It might be possible to upload it (from "Uploads" in the Menu area of the left side of the webpage) as I know the file size limit is larger for that.
Give it a try, and if successful, please post back here to let us know.
Thanks again and enjoy OU!
Hi guys,
Just as exx... suggested, I uploaded the "Global Scaling Theory" file. I believe the upload was successful.
Please look for it.
exx...
I sent you a second PM but I don't think you got it since it does not appear in my 'out box'!
(As I said in my previous email, I have a LOT of trouble accessing this forum!)
Best regards,
Les Banki
I've been checking into global scaling and find it shares a lot in common w/ scalar wave theory in that it does not suffer dampening from physical objects in the wave path, uses the theory of the standing wave as it's structure, and uses sympathetic vibration (resonance).
I went to:
http://www.globalscalingtheory.com (Last updated Wednesday, June 30, 2004 from what the site says.)
(as I would see that as an obvious conduit for information) and found many dead links and a good portion of german links but was able to find a translated site:
http://www.evert.de/ap0207e.htm (which is the only one I've found so far that works and is somewhat understandable.)
That seems to allude the the vibrational resonance is happening in nodal harmonics (musical intervals) of thirds (3,6,9, etc.) to explain it's fractal effect?
The more I check into scalar wave, the more I see it intersecting with other theories and doctrines of natural phenomenon.
I mean that the vortice nature of the Meyl scalar wave theory seems to echo the (very small) understanding I have of Schauberger's theories, and the harmonic nodal resonance of global scaling maybe having some aspects of Keely's work?
(These are just "off the top of my head" comparisons and have NOT been researched in any way.)
I'm still working on understanding the parts list for the JNL transmitter (the schematic is a little confusing as it uses notation like C1-C8 [but C2 is missing], R1-R3 [but R1 is missing], no voltage ratings for any of the components, etc.) and trying to dissect it into tone generation side and broadcast side to see where more complex data could be injected into it without losing the advantage of the broadcast type.
Still and all, the comparisons between scalar wave and global scaling seem alike.
@ TK
Since you've built one, perhaps you could remember the voltage requirements of the components you used and elucidate?
Right now I'm interested in isolating the broadcast transmitter portion of a scalar wave radio and then seeing (if it tests out) what other types of information can be transmitted with it.
The unit I built is described on the JLN site (or at least it used to be, sorry I don't have time to search right now). IIRC it used a 2n3055 power transistor as the output amp, and was powered from a 12-14 volt supply capable of 10 amps or so. I used a motorcycle battery/trickle charger combo most of the time.
I am interested in the short version of the Meyl data, if it could be posted or linked somewhere I'll try to get thru it and see if I can understand what he's getting at.
Thanks..
TK
Here are some more links:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7682702/Scalar-Waves-Microwaves-and-the-Biological-Effects-?from_related_doc=1 (long version)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/259163/Tesla-Scalar-waves (shorter version)
http://www.machines-x.info/scalarwaves/scalarTransceiver.html (different radio schematic [transceiver])
Edit
The strange thing about any of the experimentation I've found so far is that it's all looking at the ability for the wave to cut through shielding, and no distance results.
Why not use the earth as the transmission lines?
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Quote from: HeairBear on November 10, 2008, 12:39:30 PM
Why not use the earth as the transmission lines?
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@ HeairBear
That's what I'm REALLY leaning towards as an omni directional antenna as it seems that a common ground is absolutely essential and is pretty much what Tesla did w/ Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs.
I'm wading my way through US-Patent No. 645,576 from Tesla to see how it compares with the previously mentioned documentation as they all heavily allude to Tesla.
Free WiMAX?? ;D
@excomm0n
Sorry for the late reply. I'm involved in other projects and I had to write a computer program because they are asking me about the code, but the main code is now written and I have only to add some features, the big work is done. Also, I'm developing and building a new device to use with that program.
I have almost finished reading the book 'Scalar Wave Transponder' (70 pages book). In the books, Konstantin Meyl shows the problems of common physics and explains in a very good way, the similitudes and difference of the most known theories about electricity, magnetims and electromagnetims. He talks about Maxwell, Faraday, Lorentz and Laplace and how their laws are not universal, because 'schoolbooks scientists' apply their laws as universal laws and that is not true. Some Maxwell, Faraday, Lorentz and Laplace theories are laws are correct, other incorrect, other incomplete and other specific laws for special cases. He resolves this problem comparing the laws and theories and extracting the common points and applying new theories and finding a field-theoretical approach with the equations of transformation, which in its dual formulation is clearly distinguished from the common approaches. And how common physics ignore some critical factors like magnetic monopole. I have to finnish read the book to obtain a clearly idea.
I'm going to finish the book, and I will start reading the bigger one.
My conclusion of what I have read until now is the magnetic field is a vortex field, and the eddy currents produce heat losses depending on the specific electric conductivity, and all this is caused by the Vortex decay. Of course, this is more related with electrican stuff. I have to read more to get an idea about communications stuff.
QuoteFrom what I've been reading it's the antenna type and shape that influences the broadcast type and makes the JNL transmitter directional (as you say above).
Yes, the shape is a critical factor in this experiment. Maybe we could perform some experiments using a ball and covering it with alluminum foil?
About the quartz, I don't know much about it. I know quartz is used for other kinds of communication, and it's transparent to UV Radiation (I don't know if it's transparent also to other kinds of radiation)
PS: The company hasn't reply to me yet.
@not_A_mib
I haven't understood enough about the avian carrier. Are you refering to send information throught birds or what? I don't understood nothing, haha
@Les Banki/exxcomm0nWelcome, I will look in the website www.globalscalingtheory.com to read the info.
I have just read about the theory and as exx said, it shares a lot with scalar waves theory and about the link you posted (http://www.evert.de/ap0207e.htm), the scalar waves are also called Electrogravitational waves, so the theory seems to be similar. I also read somewhere that Scalar Waves are infinite harmonic (¿?), I can look for the specific info if you want to read more about harmonics and scalar waves.
Yes, scalar wave theory is very similar to other theories. In the project I'm researching now (other project about communications too) the theories I read compared with SW theory... are very similar!
I can't study the JLN schematic because I have no idea about electronics :S
But use 0.5 to 50 Watt. If you use more power it could be dangerous to your health. Remember that scalar waves can induce disseases in people or cure it, depending the frequency you use. So, use 50 Watt as the maximum power.
@HeairBear
Thanks for the schematic!
I think the more important issue is to seek understanding of what we have and what is needed. An analogy I would make is that EM waves like the kind we send from our transmitters amounts to moving a paddle back and forth in the water---we are creating a regional distubance(waves) propogating outwards on the surface. We should understand this technique must move the media in the form of waves in order for the disturbance to propogate outward and the power of these waves decreases following the inverse square law. A better way would simply be to smack the surface of the water and create sound waves(unidirectional waves) in the media, you can hear a paddle smack the water---when underwater---from a mile away. We are not moving the media we are producing a pressure wave within the media not having the speed limitations of the media.
The answer is simple----start asking the right questions-----what IS the media, the media is charge carriers immersed in an insulating fluid oscillating at the frequency of every know form of radiation we know of and then some. If you want a global transmitter system that has none of the limitations present in conventional systems then you need to procuce unidirectional oscillations in the terrahetz range. Tesla's currents of high frequency and potential, the media is capacitive in nature, we need high potential to disturb the media and high frequency to reduce losses. ;D
Regards
AC
@ AC
Thanks for stopping by. ;)
I think you're right about the media as some of what I've been able to find in theory that is the same is that the scalar antenna is "pumping" a wave into the earth that is an "already full container" that will seek an outlet (receiver) to maintain the equilibrium (spill out of).
To use your analogy, the paddle waving back and forth in the water realizes motive "work", but is highly ineffectual as a transmission method because its work production makes counter-productive eddy currents as a natural consequence manifesting in heat?
"Smacking the paddle" will instead create transmission that realizes much more distance and clarity omni-directionally (like a sound wave in water, instead of air) by having a denser (I can think of no other way to describe it) media to travel through so the wave travels faster and with less signal loss?
It's still getting transmitted like sound does (oscillating [bumping] the media)creating a pressure wave, but the media is of a "denser" type (helping its capacitive nature) that transmits with less losses (like water vs. air for sound)?
Sorry for all the questions. ;)
The "terahertz range" and "unidirectional oscillations" is something I have no idea how to even conceive of realizing in hardware (I would think of an air quenched motorized spark gap for frequency range as an example of my understanding of electronics ;) ).
Your insights are welcome though.
Please keep stopping by.
@ All
As I trawl (look) for the documentation I find (only looking for scalar and radio) I find that HAMs are the ones that have been fiddling w/ this type of transmission technology as evidenced here:
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/www.amasci.com/freenrg/regen.txt
(radio theory that seems to refine the JNL radio for actual frequency modulated communication.)
and here:
http://www.itcbridge.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=316&forum_id=9
(actual ground antenna testing)
They seem to be talking about regular radio broadcast and reception.
Something the theory page showed me is to Google "Dea/Faretto" for more information about scalar waves with a shielded receiver and a Bedini variant of it.
I'm focused on the antenna right now as it's the easiest and lowest tech part of the theory to explore and I'm still wading through Tesla's patent.
:D
@excomm0n
In the book, you can read how to build one transmitter.
@ Magnethos
I'm just looking at all the examples and trying to find the easiest one, but I suppose I should start with the JNL one as it's the schematic that everyone has available to them.
I just like looking at the schematics and trying to see where the effects they create are in the circuit so I can have a better understanding of HOW it's happening (if it does).
I'm reading the 600+ document too, but it'll take me a while. ;)
wow, you guys have thrown a lot of information back n forth. I will need to read this thread and all the links a few times. And, I may do that because it is interesting and very important.
I came by today to give a link to the "xo" laptop computer that was designed for global rural children. I cannot help with much more than a link. You guys are the ones who will be able to understand.
the xo has the ability to use the global internet when the local school server is on.
But in addition, and this is what I am here to mention,these little laptops are also able to make a "mesh" network among themselves. They can internet with each other any time they want to. the only thing needed is for 2 xo's to be on.
I think this has to do with the LINUX OS. This one uses the FEDORA kernel.
Linux open source software is at the root of all internet servers.
So, it seems to me that this little gem could be a very good place to start this self empowered internet grid.
Wow, I am so in favor of that!
Thank you all,
jeanna
BTW they call the local thing a "mesh"
http://olpc.com/ (http://olpc.com/)
Hi Jeanna,
This would be a technology that would further the XO project greatly as the "mesh" networking you describe is probably an "ad hoc" network between the laptops that allows for them to network with each other.
The downside of ad hoc networks is range since the wireless network card is acting as both the transmitter and receiver and is using very little power to do so (to keep from causing interference?).
The XO is available with either Fedora (Redhat derivative) or Ubuntu (Debian derivative) linux distributions.
You're right about Linux being a backbone of the internet as sites like OU are built on the LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) platform.
@ all
Right now I'm just going to start with the antenna side of things (sorry I've been out of the loop for so long. The holidays got in the way.) and seeing just how far it can transmit a signal.
On YouTube there is a member by the handle of crob227 that is experimenting with wireless energy transmission who I've invited to take a look at the thread since it's pretty much the same goal. Take a look at his wireless energy transfer series on the Tube if you get a chance.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on December 06, 2008, 02:08:10 PM
Hi Jeanna,
This would be a technology that would further the XO project greatly as the "mesh" networking you describe is probably an "ad hoc" network between the laptops that allows for them to network with each other.
The downside of ad hoc networks is range since the wireless network card is acting as both the transmitter and receiver and is using very little power to do so (to keep from causing interference?).
The XO is available with either Fedora (Redhat derivative) or Ubuntu (Debian derivative) linux distributions.
You're right about Linux being a backbone of the internet as sites like OU are built on the LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) platform.
@ all
Right now I'm just going to start with the antenna side of things (sorry I've been out of the loop for so long. The holidays got in the way.) and seeing just how far it can transmit a signal.
On YouTube there is a member by the handle of crob227 that is experimenting with wireless energy transmission who I've invited to take a look at the thread since it's pretty much the same goal. Take a look at his wireless energy transfer series on the Tube if you get a chance.
http://www.rexresearch.com/beyond/beyond.htm
No indeed it is not free communication is possible already just not legally possible.
Now ask yourself this what if free electricity was possible it would of course be legal at current state.
Then we could easily setup networks all over using legal technology such as ground wave hell walkie talkies even... and it would be no cost out of pocket... We could easily skip miles of non supporters with dishes and bushes baked bean cans... Using legal technologies and concentrating them...
We could have humongous data centers with no power costing supreme simulations could be run constantly at the price of hardware only...
be back to comment later g2g
@ menthos
your compression could go quite a bit further ... Even with modern day computers ... Without having to pool anything...
Your idea reminds me of the OFF network which was a underground network that retrieved lines of data from different files to finally build the resulting file so while someone may be downloading a hunk of the Bible from you they are actually retrieving a portion of there favorite album which is in the legal gray area...
But a simple way your data could be compressed further is taking lets say 16 bytes at a time once compressed and if they are even split them in half and leave marker or signature and if it can be split in half once again ... but I would think taking the biggest integer that current processors can handle and splitting that in half and leaving a signature FF00xx where xx is the crc of the hex bytes until the next signature...
So if the crc = xx then mltiply intager by 2 to decompress... Now there is a possibility that the crc and signature may show up in random data but... Not likely... if you wanted you could instead have a 4 byte crc where your cylically redundancy check is added to the equation and then crc'd again for integrity and that should solve false reports not that it is impossible for data loss but lets say the chances would be very very slim... I'm sure there are better ways but this is one example and you could take this a lot further as well...
It would solve a great deal for folks that need to use compression for communications or transmission but yet ain't worried so much about loosing the data as they maintain a copy of the uncompressed data....
My question is this why can you not continuously compress Winrar files? The program must check the file header and say uh uh no no this is a Winrar file or other compressed archive do not further compress this due to possible data loss now if we could design a program that would remove the data in the header that tells winrar not to compress I think it may be possible to recompress the file several times over...
I am kinda shooting in the dark here a little help Menthos ? Anyone? Either way I know compression is further possible while it will take a bit longer and if I recall pea zip uses a pretty heavy duty compression method while I do not recall the name off the top of my head it takes forever to achive it but the compression I believe is the best compression around.
I guess a good study would be to look at the open source 7zip from http://www.7zip.org.
This is a damn good thread first one I've seen in a long time that sparked that feel good feeling in a while!
-infringer-
Quote from: infringer on December 06, 2008, 08:40:39 PM
Then we could easily setup networks all over using legal technology such as ground wave hell walkie talkies even... and it would be no cost out of pocket... We could easily skip miles of non supporters with dishes and bushes baked bean cans... Using legal technologies and concentrating them...
We could have humongous data centers with no power costing supreme simulations could be run constantly at the price of hardware only...
be back to comment later g2g
G'day Infringer and all,
It would indeed be technically possible to set up a system like you propose. The problem with it is that the airwaves are more tightly controlled than anything else on the planet. In most countries the content of what can be broadcast is severely restricted and any breaches are prosecuted with fervour.
If you don't believe me set up a small radio station with a walkie talkie, broadcast music and advertise cigarettes between songs. How long do you think it would be before you are in court?
Have a look at the restrictions as to content that are placed on amateur radio. You will be surprised how little you are actually permitted to do. The internet at the moment is an anomality, which they are already in the process of dealing with using child pornography and terrorism as an excuse to gain control.
The rapid spread of internet technology took legislators by surprise and an all out attempt at censorship would have been political suicide in democratic countries simply because of the large number of people that would have resented interference. But control and ever tightening restrictions will come, make no mistake about this.
In the meantime let us enjoy what we have and while we still have some power let us fight those who want to shut us up.
Hans von Lieven
Gentlemen,
The absence of regulation is one of the most appealing things about this technology, should it prove viable.
So far this is "pie in the sky" thinking and should it be proved to be a viable method of communication it would need many more things before it came to the attention of the "authorities", but a great deal has to be discovered, tested, and "made free" through an open source offering so that great enough a mass of folks would use it to bring that about.
How might regulation of this media be accomplished without someone selling it?
It's "illegal" to make explosives, drugs, pornography, political policy, etc. without proper licensing {illegality is just a different "tax" with VERY restrictive rules if you don't follow them, or know those that REALLY profit from them), but it's REALLY hard to regulate or tax a thing that you can't control in some way and if profit is not made off this, then it cannot be regulated (yet).
But (oh shit...underline is gone now w/ avatars as well as the [IMG] tag. Stephan, unless this is something that could compromise the site immediately, the absence of these tools are REALLY obtrusive and non-productive in the "free exchange of world enhancing information") if and when a technology such as this (buried for decades because of it's non-profitability) DOES make an impact and is available to all, it will not be able to be regulated effectively.
Kids, this is not Hertzian wave broadcast technology, but (should it be be proved viable and effective) SCALAR technology!
Until there is a "money" handle on the tech it is non-regulatory.
How can something be regulated if there is no money that is effected by it?
Freedom IS a significant thing to threaten if you can't go for the money angle, but unfortunately, most of those willing to risk such a thing as freedom and liberty don't care much about laws as the laws are enacted by those who have the most to lose from the free exchange of information.
Lets worry about it becoming a technology before we start worrying how it will be regulated, eh?
;)
@hons
There are folks constantly broadcasting there wireless internet over satellite dishes and there have been lots of project pages I have read on the topic and big brother has not done jack...
I there is provisions allowed for small radio channels for church and such and seeing as how religion cannot be regulated if you make it part of your religion and your church or whatever you should have the ability...
I am not talking raido waves I am talking your plain wireless routers completely legal technology how many people out there lowjack off there neighbors ? A crap load of people... Why and how is this possible? The answer is simple the broadcast range reaches there home...
Ok with that said if you setup a local area network with your neighbors there is no law against this... I am nearly 100% positive of this...
So what I propose we accomplish free energy and use repeaters and routers and network with neighboors who want to participate and create an internet away from the internet. Regulate smegulae I would do it if you were my neighbor and wouldn't think twice about it! And if the network was secured prove that what is going on is going on simple they cant all they can do is speculate... It is hard to police something like that if it got big enough...
Yes they use all sorts of things to take away freedoms but it ain't just kiddie and terrorists that they use to do it they pass laws behind closed doors they add things in to other laws and then call upon the clause in that law when needed and countless other things which by the way I may add the http://www.eff.org or EFF Electronic Frontier Foundation is fighting for our rights and if you believe in keeping some of your freedoms you should donate to these folks and contribute to something that will help get somewhere actually.
I've stood on the soap box much like you have and said all the same things hons but its like writing on a piece of paper and flinging it on the ground in the middle of new york most people will not read it... They will consider it trash or read it and say ahhh this guy is got a good point and then throw it in a waste basket... So I decided that I would donate a few bucks a year as that does get somewhere because the EFF has won many cases for the people.
@excommon
I am curious exactly how you propose to supply the power for such a broadcast? Or I should say afford it... 2500 watts is a lot of power man....
Conceptual sketches or words that you would like to add on how to achive what you propose or a more in depth definition of what we are trying to accomplish would be nice too!
@megathos
I still await your reply.
@all
Free energy is more important then free communication... Plain simple. Providers may provide free or near free communications if all they had was equipment cost and like I said development could be 20x's the normal speed we see now and once a communication form is found that will be very tuff to regulate which will happen eventually... If you think of it free energy is the biggest thing that could empower the world there would be a boulder lifted off every man women and child who walks the earth! Education not possible in other countries would be possible for all we know the next Tesla is living in Africa with food or clean water and no access to an education he or she will never full bloom to his or her potential the list goes on .....
This is not what came first the chicken or the egg theory we are discussing no not at all there are sound factors and implications in what I speak. You just have to sit back and comprehend what could be possible with free energy...
-infringer-
@ infringer
Fair enough. Let me answer your questions in the reverse order though.
Quote from: infringer on December 08, 2008, 10:50:22 PM
Conceptual sketches or words that you would like to add on how to achieve what you propose or a more in depth definition of what we are trying to accomplish would be nice too!
The way I see a road map to realization of my "half-baked idea" would be like this:
1.) Experiment and test with scalar radio (JNL or Meyl schematic) and antenna (Tesla).
This is the big "IDUNNO" (I don't know) of the equation as actual testing and research is not that readily available.
Tesla seemed to think it was possible and spent a good deal of time and money in Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe on the idea. Those towers were supposed to broadcast both energy AND communication/entertainment.
Meyl seems to think it's possible and has a 600+ page document (I'm on page 94) of theory, mathematics, and testing of the principle.
I think this is the 1st place to start with testing as it's the pivotal piece that makes anything else necessary. Testing of range, frequency stability, interference capability, etc. would have to be done to see if it's a viable technology.
After this would be proven viable the next steps would be:
2.)Test signal strength and frequency tuning (how finely can you tune to a frequency without it "slopping over" [interfering]) with a neighboring frequency).
3.) Adapt a wireless network card to use the proven radio (or try the already manufactured one seen at http://www.konor.org/SWi_Fi_Konor_org_EN.pdf) and antenna type and do point to point tests at ever increasing distances to test the reported "over the horizon capability" Tesla talked about.
4.) Try a networking schemata to see if you can have more than 2 radios on the same frequency talking at the same time.
IPV6 (TCP/IP version 6) would probably be a good candidate as the 'net will have to migrate to it eventually because we're running out of IPV4 addresses and IPV6 has a lot of extra space (so far).
From this point it could fork off into a lot of different directions, but depending on how that went:
5.) Adapt a compression scheme (like Magnathos was talking about on page 2 or 3) and perhaps a "distributed hosting method" where when your machine visits a site, your machine hosts an encrypted portion of the site (so you cannot alter the content) so when a request goes out on an "all hail" frequency (like TCP/IP does when it asks where a website is via DNS), it receives answers from the machines on the network saying which pieces they have.
Your machine then negotiates which pieces will be gotten from which other machines on the network (being both clients and servers) on what frequency, etc. etc. and assembles them asynchronously from the different responses to serve you the web page you asked for so that server load and radio capability is not easily saturated.
The networking part is already done and waiting (why re-invent the wheel?) to be adapted. It's all dependent upon the radio portion, so that's where I was thinking of looking first. ;)
Quote from: infringer on December 08, 2008, 10:50:22 PM
I am curious exactly how you propose to supply the power for such a broadcast? Or I should say afford it... 2500 watts is a lot of power man....
The appealing thing about scalar (these things have yet to be proven) is that it is supposed to be able to travel much farther (not "line of sight" limited), much faster (I've seen claims of 2X light speed), with much less power so I'm not sure that current radio station power demands would be applicable; at least for the proposed idea.
Check out some of the links throughout the pages of the thread to see what the reported benefits of scalar are.
@ all
I haven't been moving very quickly with this as I have some personal interests to satisfy before I feel ready to tackle the hardware portion of the idea.
I'd like to read and understand the larger Meyl document (this could take a while), compare the JNL scalar radio to a schematic for a very simple Hertzian transmitter and see exactly what the difference is in the electronics (this could take a while too as my electronics knowledge is barely minimal), and then build and test.
Since Tesla is involved I'd think that resonance will have something to do with tuning the antennas, and even with some good threads here about that (gotoluc and armagdn03), that will still probably be tricky.
So far all the experimentation I've seen published is about scalars ability to broadcast through a shield (Faraday cage) and not looking at its distance capabilities, etc. and that's where I see it being possible to achieve the subject of this thread and even perhaps furnish "Free WiFi" as someone posted.
But don't wait for me as who knows how long it'll be before I can grasp all I outline above. ;)
Meyl hrmmm maybe you should include a link to the document or the document in your posting...
As far as the way megathos "sorry if the name is spelled wrong..." proposed it is semi being done with bit torrent the torrent file is basically a key for the store of data on several computers... It is from this file that it retrieves data from a large pool of information. So really while it is compression it isn't a feasible solution to what we talk of currently cause basically you have to have the uncompressed information already so it will essentially be like downloading anyways the full file unless you had a huge pool of data on your computer and then you might as well just have the files... Compression is compression what he talks of is not compression really.
Scalar waves are an interesting topic as well as longitudinal waves and such I am taken in a bit by your half baked idea I find it intellectually stimulating I am a bit shocked that more are not or maybe just silent who knows but keep up the good work man your thought over time may inspire something big.
-infringer-
Quote from: infringer on December 09, 2008, 08:07:32 PM
Meyl hrmmm maybe you should include a link to the document or the document in your posting...
They are throughout the thread man. Have you looked at the links here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5766.msg130297#msg130297
here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5766.msg136361#msg136361 (Meyls site)
and here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5766.msg136727#msg136727 (Meyl 600+ page doc bittorrent) ?
That should give you an idea of where to find the docs. I also suggest a search for Meyl at www.scribd.com .
Quote from: infringer on December 09, 2008, 08:07:32 PM
As far as the way megathos "sorry if the name is spelled wrong..." proposed it is semi being done with bit torrent the torrent file is basically a key for the store of data on several computers... It is from this file that it retrieves data from a large pool of information. So really while it is compression it isn't a feasible solution to what we talk of currently cause basically you have to have the uncompressed information already so it will essentially be like downloading anyways the full file unless you had a huge pool of data on your computer and then you might as well just have the files... Compression is compression what he talks of is not compression really.
I'll leave that up to him to debate, but compression and decentralized content hosting are not the same thing. Bittorrent is more like decentralized hosting and I added that possibility to the mix. Compression and encryption could have a good deal to do with things for decentralizing that content and not being able to alter it (content changing, trojans, virus, etc.)
Quote from: infringer on December 09, 2008, 08:07:32 PM
Scalar waves are an interesting topic as well as longitudinal waves and such I am taken in a bit by your half baked idea I find it intellectually stimulating I am a bit shocked that more are not or maybe just silent who knows but keep up the good work man your thought over time may inspire something big.
-infringer-
Thanks! I'll keep looking into it, but as I said before I may not be the fastest on getting up to speed on it, so don't wait for me.
;D
Les Banki offered some information he'd found and I offered to host the files on my server but they were a bit too large for me to do that so I loaded them to mediafire here:
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=vmnycb40zqy&thumb=5 (pg. 1)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=kyhj0sbgwax&thumb=5 (pg. 2)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=uhogn4thanx&thumb=5 (pg. 3 where it mentions transmission)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=g4nfticwbje&thumb=5 (pg. 4)
but under an anonymous account so I'm not sure how long they'll stay there.
Get 'em while they're hot! ;)
Try living without energy for a year.
I skip the test of trying to live without energy for a year brain334 I have no need or want to but to live without an electric bill for a year and all the energy you possibly could need you could count me in for that test!
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:geI5H0YJqqwJ:users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/trnslrt.txt+keelynet+tesla+communication+waves&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us&client=firefox-a
another interesting read about translators.