1 Free Energy: No powersupplys that can be regulated, controlled or blocked once it is started. No fuel, it must be free and self-powering. Not even solar or burning water.
2 Elemental Transmutation: Once you remove the boundary of the abundance of elements, no material can truely have any more value than any other.
3 Home Assembly: The least necessary, but possibly the most powerful of the three. This allows the replication of the previous two at zero cost, when powered by them. If any object can be created from everpresent raw elements(thanks to transmutation) including a means of mass production then no one will depend on anyone else anymore if it is properly developed into atomic-level replication.
A Fresh Start
Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan & simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.
So far PES Wiki is the closest to this, but it's limited by it's attempt to draw in people who only believe in "conventional" power and contains something of an excess of unusable information. Regular incremental backups of the site(with minimalist graphics etc.) available easily for download on the homepage would prevent it from ever really being destroyed. The only real problem with such a system is that it would rely on the trust of other members to test each others work, as well as the risk of infiltration by new members seeking to ruin the site, and trusted members identities being stolen.
That's all I can think of for now.
Hi, Nihilanth!
So, in other words a Perpetuum Mobile, Apis Philosophorum, and Utopia... Yeah, that would be nice.. Count me in!
And all this should be possible with just a better organization of 'us, the gold-seekers'?
Maybe...
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Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan & simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.
I particularly like "
cut out the unproductive discussions" sentence!
Cheers!
Fourth key: Magic genie lamps. Give each person a magic genie in a lamp that will grant free wishes. Let's all work on capturing genies and stuffing them in lamps.
Quote from: Nihilanth on October 08, 2008, 02:09:30 AM
1 Free Energy:
No powersupplys that can be regulated, controlled or blocked once it is started. No fuel, it must be free and self-powering. Not even solar or burning water.
2 Elemental Transmutation:
Once you remove the boundary of the abundance of elements, no material can truely have any more value than any other.
3 Home Assembly:
The least necessary, but possibly the most powerful of the three. This allows the replication of the previous two at zero cost, when powered by them. If any object can be created from everpresent raw elements(thanks to transmutation) including a means of mass production then no one will depend on anyone else anymore if it is properly developed into atomic-level replication.
A Fresh Start
Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan & simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.
So far PES Wiki is the closest to this, but it's limited by it's attempt to draw in people who only believe in "conventional" power and contains something of an excess of unusable information. Regular incremental backups of the site(with minimalist graphics etc.) available easily for download on the homepage would prevent it from ever really being destroyed. The only real problem with such a system is that it would rely on the trust of other members to test each others work, as well as the risk of infiltration by new members seeking to ruin the site, and trusted members identities being stolen.
That's all I can think of for now.
this can ALL be done right now,B U T >>>>>>NOTHING will EVER change untill the people in general form there own local economys(think about this for a min, and it opens up EVERYTHNIG else) and STOP looking to there Gov to save them from there OWN CRAP and the crap behind the curtain that goes on BECAUSE the people in general are to comfetable and cant be bothered.....some one else will fix it, ill just sit back...it will all be ok,.......yup that will work in the short term,and history will repeat and each time youll end up being screwed over more and more each time,your born into debt and it doesnt have to be that way at all, that what really F*****S me off about all this, life could be sooooooooooooo much better,but its full of bullshit death drugs and misery war WAR war rapests murderers and thievs, and it all because there is no real checks and stops for it......at this current point and time its all PURE BULL SHIT, and im blown away by the people who believe and support it.
untill the bullshit is removed, none of this will ever happen.
but in the mean time ill chill out in a beach bach, with solar pannles, my fruit tress and vege garden...,the people are to entertained to wake up...even while there being hung time after time after time..you debt gets bigger your life turns to shit... just put lip-stick on it.
....as a child i watched how tech took over the world, there wasnt much to start with, it was awsome how they sugested
in 20 years we would have a moon city, id be thirty when i saw that....so from 10 yo i waited and saw tech go woooooooosh, into entertainment and nothing else....its a very fast and steep curve ,yet we have no real tech to help people, just to entertain and tax and lable and track.
...i firmly believe nasa is a front and 95% of what we are told is bullshit, im sure we have secret ufo ships that we could produce and any one of us should have the right to venture out into space and look around and be FREE......
...you think the current controll freaks would ever let that happen ?
... get real.
i agree but our modern mentality as people is not a good soil to grow this kind of society.Inherently we have abilities that r wasted on entertainment,chase for money and false idols.Nothing matters what is not interchangable "on the market".Capitalism is not on the level of economy! it is much deeper.Markets exist in a wide range of meaning...we have market of partners as we r looking for someone that is a good deal for what we have to offer as a society member,u will ask urself "can i have better?" it's not normal way of thinking..
what is forgotten is that a life is an art and to be a master in any art u need patience,discipline,practice and commitement(focus).
This is really an univesal view on life,love and anything that matters.Yes,love is an art.Only a very small percentage of people have a true love
experience.Most of us will never have a happy life,sustained love or feel content.Dissapointments,divorces,living "next to" eachother is what most of us will get.
We lack self discipline.Ony discipline we see as right, is the one that leads to money,like work.We go and do those 8 h every day and spent a free time simply wasting it on entertainment that leads to no progress.Why ur work is more important than urself?
Patience is what we don't have.A child will rise and fall many times before it learns how to walk,u will be still on ur kniees and hands in other parts of ur life if u don't have patience...
Focus on one thing at the time.Most of people can't even stay with themselfs alone without any disturbance(music,tv's...)...All ur tv's are palying in background u read newspaper,eat and "chat" at the same time with ur family.If an adept of any art wanted to become master he would achieve nothing without a proper concentration.
Practice.Most people thinks they will find a person who will love them and they will love when they will find the right person.But love is not an object (person to be found), love is an neverending activity.Do a painter states that he will paint a perfect picture if he will find a right object to paint,but never practising beforhand?
First thing to achieve anything should be a ground zero work on ourselfs to see what really matters in life and who is worth idolising.We r a brotherhood of men but our culture is such a dump if u watch it objectively....it is painfull.I am really glad i meet a people more openminded and deeply thinking in my life.All that i invested in deep thinking repaid already in internal harmony, found purpose of life and sustained true love ability.best start is to find urself willing to develop yourself the rest will follow.
@Nihilanth,
I often think of the same three, though for the free energy I think of an energy source such as ZPE, abundant and available anywhere provided we can tap it. Imagine turning hydrogen into lettuce at will. Or perhaps if we can tap ZPE then we can create the matter out of energy and skip the transmutation. And with control of ZPE we may get control of gravity or space and then we're off.
Let's see... one "provided we can", one "if", and one "we may". :-)
-Steve
http://rimstar.org
@b0rg13: Even if people create their own local economies, everything can easily be changed back. The only good economy is no economy.
My approach involving the creation of a process of transmutation and object replication (possibly at atomic level) would render all currencies un-backable and unnecessary. If you could put a food item, like a sandwich into the atomic replicator, and it deconstructs is, creating a form of "blueprint" of the sandwich that could be saved as a computer file and shared with others, so long as someone has a replicator and a pile of dirt(transmutation) then they too could have one at no cost. And who's to say one can't replicate another replicator, and just hand them out for free. Once you had one and saw what you could possibly do with it, I doubt you'd ever go to work again to say the least. And if you made at least one other replicator a day and gave them away for free to people asking them to do the same, then I doubt anyone could ever get rid of them all.
I think that this approach is the best possible way to fix the world as it is now. Viral Freedom.
and if people started to replicate themselfs? that would be wierd ;D u couldmake a blueprint of yourself now and replicate it 20 years later but with reprogramed brain blueprint.Sure i woulndn't want anyone to steal my blueprint >:( ;D
I agree that money system should be finished as fast as possible and all work should be done by the technology,freeing our capacity to foucus on what really matters in life.First step would be to become self sustained in food,energy and communication chanels.
The beginning versions of the device would probably resemble Reprap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reprap) or Fab lab. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fab_lab) Only once objects can be assembled at an atomic level, and at the same integrity as the original could objects possibly be disassembled to create a usable blueprint. I doubt anyone would survive being ripped apart atom-by-atom. :P But only time would tell.
Although I wouldn't rule out the possibility of use for donor organs. (http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11/printed-heart-c.html)
I recently read a sci-fi book called "A for Anything" by Damon Knight which started out where someone had created just such a replication device and mailed two each to a bunch of people. Each person was mailed two for the reason Nihilanth gave, so they could replicate the replicator. Later in the story they'd figured out how to stop the replication in mid process and store the pattern for later retrieval. They replicated people too. All things you guys have pointed out. But who does the work? The cleaning, the replicating, setting the table (the contents of which would be trashed afterwards), ... In the book, a period of turmoil was gone through ending up in the replicators being controlled by a minority and the rest of the people being slaves. I was saddened by this since near the beginning of the book some were talking about replicating rocket fuel on the fly so that rocket travel to and in space would be a cinch; carry just a little bit of fuel which you repleatedly replicate and shoot into the combustion chamber. Unfortunately the author didn't go that way. So we really need only the replicator! The free energy comes from that. I'm betting we'll be tapping ZPE before we can figure out replicators - though both would come from a better understanding of reality.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org
Free energy seems a lot easier to achieve then matter replication. I have to admit I didn't think of replicating fuel like that, It seems good in concept, but ultimately It would probably take more energy to construct the fuel then to burn it. I might have to take a look at that book, sounds interesting.
Free energy will lead to all of these things...
Hutchinson has already preformed transmutation uncontrolled of course. Free energy tests could be carried out.
Home factories would be easily achived because factories would no longer have overhead it would only have to worry about product sales and wages...
Imagine that a home mill would be cheaply made...
So let us go back to the biggest fundamental issue!!!
We need free energy!
It has ramifications of on monumental possibility.
Take it all away the rest will all filter through with free energy!
I know that John Hutchinson managed to make wood melt into a block of metal, but I don't recall
And apparently Arie DeGeus had made a patent for a method of transmutation, before he died of "most likely not a homicide." after proposing a free energy battery. http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2002031833&IA=NL2001000710&DISPLAY=STATUS (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2002031833&IA=NL2001000710&DISPLAY=STATUS)
there is 1 key to changing the world. Abolishment of Greed. unfortunately this is not something that will happen anytime soon...if ever. People are a plague! :'(
To replicate something exists for example the SIS-concept developed by Boris Khoshnevis
and many other kinds of " 3D Rapid Prototyping/Manufactoring Tools ".
For self-replicating-components the REPRAP -project.
For "mono-lith-homes" the "Contour Crafting"-project also from Prof. Khoshnevis.
For "free energie"- devices the possibility of overunity.com- research and other FE-oriented/occidental
sites.
About matter-genering : mother/father nature serves gratis/ mostly costsfree.
By costs my sentimental reaction: nihilistical !
My name is rabbit, I do not know about anything !
Only: Wo , bittae saer, gibt´s Moehrchen gratis ?
HagD
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on November 03, 2008, 07:45:30 PM
To replicate something exists for example the SIS-concept developed by Boris Khoshnevis
and many other kinds of " 3D Rapid Prototyping/Manufactoring Tools ".
For self-replicating-components the REPRAP -project.
For "mono-lith-homes" the "Contour Crafting"-project also from Prof. Khoshnevis.
my idea orients around using replication in a manner to completely eliminate the need for even small factories which would be needed to create smaller parts like microchips. Although Reprap would be one of the first steps, hopefully it will work it's way into atomic-precision and scale possibly similar to the "Tractor Beam" that was developed at MIT that could move cells on silicon chips.
and I didn't really get any results Googling Boris Khoshnevis.
Quote from: lancaIV on November 03, 2008, 07:45:30 PMFor "free energie"- devices the possibility of overunity.com- research and other FE-oriented/occidental
sites.
Quote from: lancaIV on November 03, 2008, 07:45:30 PMAbout matter-genering : mother/father nature serves gratis/ mostly costsfree.
it's that "mostly" part that makes it a problem. Transmutation would be useful so that nothing has any quantifiable value by backing it with something like gold. If anything can be turned into gold, then it has no value.
Quote from: lancaIV on November 03, 2008, 07:45:30 PM
My name is rabbit, I do not know about anything !
Only: Wo , bittae saer, gibt´s Moehrchen gratis ?
HagD
CdL
english please?
From down stepping up:
1 . Uebersetzung/Traduçao/Translation:" Where can I find the carots gratis ? "
2. Transmutation: Level-limit ?
X-Codex + da "Veni/Vidi/Vinci"- Codex : X in the circle ?
Gen-O-m or Gen-O-zid
3 . www.contourcrafting.org Boris=Bhoris
4. MEMS or Micro-/Nano-electro-plating , yes , indeed , nice !
Before the instrument to communicate would it be not better , to introduce- at first-
the Rashid/Rosetta-stone-project-OBJECT ?
The OBJECT : to understand each other in the same way (and,probably, for the same solution ) !
You think simple - cause this you do not see the destructive potential in your mind ideas !
Like Alexander,the Great 333 : K.I.S.S.-Methodism
The consequence of Alexanders Imperium/Empire : THE FALL = AL QUEADA
H.ave a g.ood D.ay
CdL
I still have no idea what you're saying, it just sounds like crazy gibberish.
Your mind, the melting pott, of received amd emitting sound-waves should ever remind about the
inner values about what it is receiving or emitting/sending !
crazy = mixture ; it is your job, by your own interest, to think about free information
gibberish ergo ~ al gebraical ~ abstract ; are you "perfect= catholic" enough to sit in a position
like "The Chairman" to decide about - my rules of the game !
I am not a "Crazy Horse" but something like a " SITTING BULL " !
Ene,mene,mu- wer bin ICH- und Wer bist Du !
With all my regards and probably also yours
C.O.W.-dL
do you think that talking complete rubbish makes you seem like some crazy intelligent scientist or something? Because to me, at least it sounds like you have general mental issues and some form of keyboard turrets syndrome.
@ GestaltO :
What do you - really- know about " crazy-ness " ??? ?
Let us call this "organized madness 8)"- overunity.com-chat
( but moderated :D: to know and to feel the up- and down- limit of each participant )
"TRIZ" ,the Altschuller creativity-Method ;)
"brainstorming", the Faith Popcorn creativity-Method ;)
What means the anglo-saxonian( aengelsaechsich,english) expression "Menkind" ???:
german/ saxonian: " Kind " = english: child/kid :)
englisch/english : " kind " = german/saxonian "Art(+Weise)/Muse/Kunst ::)"
english:Question( french: question): german: Frage:
When have been your last a-mused moment , Man-Kind "GestaltO" ::)?
I pro-voke( pro-voz-ieren/ pro-votum: + or - inside ! 8)), you all should give to this, my,
" organized and calculated madness : agent provokateur " your better response
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( , multiple choice!
Nihilanth wrote about his 3.world-priority-problem-solution-keys :):
I , for myself, define that another hirarchie to resolve :):
1. english :pacience / german: Geduld "Less stress !" :D
2. "safer" communication : the right words/sentences by the right time/place/sub-/ob-ject :-*
Also multi-lingual. anglo-saxonics(vulgo: ´inglish) is fine , but not the lingual-"Olymp" !
3. A little more interest for our world : the Makro-and-Mikro-space. :)
Somebody think " I am so alone :'( !"
My sentimental reaction to this people: "O,yeah, so alone, only 6,3 billions of people ( not to speak
about the other fauna and flora participants ) beside you :P !
Sincerely
Christoph Oliver Waldhelm- de Lança
your a classic problem of the internet. Someone who thinks he is amusing or clever, when realistically they add nothing of value. I pity you and the fact you have so little of a life that you feel the need to waste yours, and our time by reading your babble. if you think that you are clever then you are mistaken.
in answer to your 2 direct questions to me
1. i know a lot about craziness, i'm a paranoid schizophrenic with explosive personality disorder
2. my last amusing moment was reading your babble and realising you probably do have potential to be a very intelligent person but instead try to amuse your pathetic little existence by trying to belittle others when they can't fathom the crap that you write.
be assured i won't bother replying to you again, this post is merely so others can see what you're actually trying to do with your deluded superiority complex.
Gestaltonian / british english: "lancaIV" = moronic, retared, deluded, pathetic
bye
@GestaltO: many people enter the overunity.com-forum
Some have got more enthusiasm than other , sometimes probably the other are to shy !
But these forum-object,my personal view, is not a word-championship or talk-chat !
Nihilanth interests:
free energy
transmuting material/ nano engeneering
free communication
My interest,too !
But I think and write: yes,this is important !
But we need also enough time to simulate a" virtual world with all this 3 "Nihilanth" conditions" and ask ourself about the un-/known consequences !
You,GestaltO, for the one side want to be serious and for the other side you define yourself in
a ridiculous behaviour, cynical-satirical-sarcastical !
" free, local, communication " for example : 24-hours-communication, horrible !
Commerce, on-phone selling: costs-free,also for non-convited sellers !
We all have to recuse many calls !
Free Energy: How much KWH-consumption per habitant/sqKm : heat-/motion-energy-emission !
Transmuting: Which limit ? Chemical/biological/genetical issues.
Do you,GestaltO, know -up to date- the ideal govern with the ideal government to resolve in a liberal-democratic manner these questions ! ?
I like pre-dictions,(scientifical previews +++/++/+/0/-/- -/- - - ), and searcher work f.e. from RMI A.Lovins and A.Toffler because they can warn us !
My lost is the win of others ! My win is the lost of others ! Fairness ! Fair play !
Have a good Day,GestaltO,where you are
CdL
so you can respond in at least a semi normal fashion. I think we have a breakthrough. Please undertstand my satrical/sarcastic nature is not limited to you. and i think you would find...if you became capable of a sensible conversation without all the babble you would find we are a lot more alike than you would like to admit.
however you commented that i am cynical which shows a either lack of understanding about people or you are plucking things out of the air, i have in no way shown myself to be cynical.
i think people that belive in free energy and communication are a noble people, however it is also...unfortunate as it may be...naive. We currently live in a capitalist society without money to develop we cannot begin to develop anything that is free, and as long as greed exists in the minds of men we will never be free or have anything for free a fools paradox i am sure you will agree.
have a good day yourself. (non sarcastic this time)
Hello again,GestaltO !
"Three Keys to Changing The World" would mean that there are only 3 decisions to execute for an
better world !
But many people do not exspect that between -actually consume- and -really physical need- is an
quantitative amplitude about circa 90%(max.-min.) in the G7-estates !
But the G7-estates-habitants behaviour is actually the idealistic target of the rest of the consumer world !
90% less consume,through higher quality/quantity mass/time capacity use efficiency, means 90% change of workplace conditions !
The " principle of equivalence" shows that there is only the possibility to decrease the numeric value of selling prices or the numeric value of earnings/loans.
But say this to an organized "Union"-labour !!!
The change of Men-work(80Wh) to Machine-work(8hx1KWH+X): 12 Men ~ 1Machine work-output to (AUTOMAT)CNC-Machine-Work (24hx1KWH+X): 36 Men~ 1 Machine work-output in the G7-estates industry during the last 30 years shows the possibility of social pressure world-wide !
" 24 hours for a 186sqm-house-structure" like www.contourcrafting.org -propaganda is as possibility
approved by the experience of the time-need change between handcraft and automatic-pump use
of the "Isorast"-construction system company !
But "Rapid Manufactoring Robots" are usefull and useable for each material-transformating process as
Macro-and Micro-dimensional-structure.
Many people do not see and emphaize the correlation-ship between the fractale-configuration and
the Luescher-Achsen-Symmetrie/Symmetrie-Achsen-Test-configuration !
For an "interviewer" is often not the answer important,but the kind of answering !
Physio/Psycho- or kinematische Relativismus- game.
CNC= Computer Numeric Controle versus Pitagoras " Gott zaehlt !"/"God calculates!"
Classical"Deus ex machina "+ "Men and Machine" (M.I.T.,1958)+" Men-Machine"from "KRAFTWERK"
Kibernetic to "angewandter (Opto-)Physik":
EKG/EEG/NudeMen-Scanner
translated KRAFTWERK: "elektrocardiogramm"
DE-scientifical demand :from 6,3 billions human earth-habitants to 1 billion ! N.C.= No Comment !
Sincerely
CdL
p.s.: 666 to 6/6/6 : die/the 3 wise-kinds/ Weisen-Arten aus den Orient( mongues-monkeys)
(personal Kybernetik inside) und niemals
"Satan"/Devil/Teufel = Charakter-behaviour ~ Aristoteles: animalis( Besie,bestialisch)
Genauso daemlich, die Verwechselung, C+M+B !
Hi Lanca,
Some very valid points in there which goes back to what i initially said....greed is the main problem with the world and what dictates our economical and social structure. not the 3 keys initially stated by the author of the thread (no offence to the author intended)
Like myself lanca you seem to be a realist with idealistic hopes rather than views.
just a bit of advice though lanca. try and tone down the way in which you post i imagine quite a few people can't fathom what your saying due to the way in which you write some of your posts.
Hello GestaltO,
you are critizising my KIND, but do you also know that this means in german : das Wesen ,
the synonym ,in german : GOTT/ES ,in our conversation-art, in Eng(-e-)lish : GOD !
Caution, my KIND is very sensibel and I mean yours too !
We should ever respect "Menkind-archivating institutions" like religion-organisations,
but the abuse/violation of human minds through foreign-language as communication base has got
one bad and long-during example in Europe:
1618-1648, the 30years-during war - Reformation-
( also new formation of the religion and geo-political map of Central-Europe)-
mainly base by the translation of the "Holy Bible" by Martin Luther and the reaction of the abused felt
"religious crowd".
You want to get views , but the question is also which dimension do you mean ?!
Very abstract,but maths-science facts based, Tempus-related : as if..../if not ....pre-vision.
Objective: for the defined individual problem the temporary/local/objective right individual defined solution , for example :
quantitative human minimum consume average for qualitative " well living conditions "definition,
ground use,mining,water use,flora and fauna agriculture, house construction, traffic, telecommunication
health and more !
Sources: U.N.O.org, estate ministies/institutes/organisations.
But normally the best advice for abstract "views" are to see problem-specifical Hollywood science+fiction movies, in the movie used tools can normally be find publicated in the Worlddata archivs, for example www.espacenet.ep .
The reproducing of the "Dream Factory"- solutions is not so difficult,
if individuals cooperate with each other !
Modern physical object-replication : digital cam scan/ 3D-digitizing /scan 2 C.A.D.-program/
C.A.D.-program/ C.A.D. 2 C.N.C.-program/ C.N.C.-mill , www.autograv.de . or -3D-printer .
The internet is for me a work-tool,like a catalog/yellowpages, forums like these from overunity.com
give me/us the possibility to communicate about own/other trials and the error/success conditions
result.
Sometimes the communication can be on a non-regulated "esperanto"-language level.
Like the "Hundertwasser"-style for the architects, non common,- but possible.
Sincerely
CdL