Hy all,
This is my first posting in here and i hope you are not bored with it (just annother elektrolyzer)
But as far as I could see througt all the postings, not many cellbuilders did reach Faradays max. and there is still a demand for informations about making more gas with less energy. I am very thankful for the informations I could get from panacea and of course all the other guys postings. It was very helpfull for me. Well, like many others, I started with Smackbooster design (20 plates with heat srink arround it) but could`nt get that much gas out of it, and overheating problems, and and... So I looked out for annother design an found the drycell, witch after collecting all the parts, was really easy to build, even for me, I am not a professionel, I am not trained in any way in that field. I am just a curious person, wanting to find my own answers, making my own mistkes and dreaming of a better world.
The cell is working very efficently and is improving day by day.(Remark its a green cell) Test results from today: 9 A 24 V 1 Liter 22 sek. I am not quite sure about, please correct me, if i am wrong, but this should be a COP something arround 1,6 or 160% Efficiency. 2,72 liters /min.at only 9 Amps. It does`nt heat up very much. I only have to improve the powerconnections to the plates.
I have just posted a video about this easy to build drycell Elektrolyzer at youtube.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTi5A4ZyNyU
Here are some photographs:
I have made the gaskets out of a 1 mm thick pondfoil, very cheap.
No holes downside!! so no leakage!
I would be happy, to share all the informations, cause I am absoloutly convinced that everyone can build such a device and have exactly the same results like me or better, wright now.
And I would also be happy about your comments and maybe some help/ideas about the refuilling the cell with Electrolyte automaticly from time to time.
have a wonderfull day
NICE!!!
Keep on your great work!
Quote from: woodpecker on October 09, 2008, 07:29:04 AM
I would be happy, to share all the informations, cause I am absoloutly convinced that everyone can build such a device and have exactly the same results like me or better, wright now.
Thanks W. Yes, please share any information you have on it. It sounds interesting.
@woodpecker
I think you use pulesd AC. Isn't it right?
Dear woodpecker,
Have been facing the same problems with my hydrogenbooster, finaly I give up.
Thanks woodpecker for sharing your new dry-cell results.
Please give us a step by step instructions on how to build one.
Keep up the good work.
@ Woodpecker
Nice build!
@ all
This is the link to build of this type... www.fireinthewater.com/
Thanks, to all for your comments they are always welcome.
@AlanA, this is not pulsed force this is only brute force
here I have the partlist for the device:
2 outer stainless steal plates25 x 20cm (9,8 x 7,87 inch) (makes the power connection easier)
9 stainless steal plates 20x20 cm (7,87 inch) for 10 chambers
I use just what I could get easy here in Austria, it is called "Nirosta" 0,059 inch thick
All the plates have one 13 mm ( 0,51 inch)hole in the upper corner,27mm (1,06 inch) far from the top and the side except /the two outer plates they have the hole 77mm (3,03 inch from the top and 27 mm from the side.
The plates are carefully crosshatched with coarse sandpaper on a band-grinder and then cleansed with distilled water
2 25x25 cm (inch 9,8) endplates, out of acrylic glass, 2 cm (0,78 inch) thick
with one hole for 1/4 inch thread, 52 mm (2,47 inch) from the top and the side
12 Gaskets 20 x 20cm (7,87 inch) outer diameter and 16 x 16cm (6,29 inch) inner diameter
I used simple PVC pondfoil 1 mm (0,039 inch) thick and catted it with a Standlyknife. So the gap between the plates is only 0,039 inch but it works fine.
from a thread rod 6 mm (0,23 inch) I catted 8 pieces,
16 washers and 16 nuts 8 for each side
The Connections for gas out and liquid in,(to fit in the endplates) I have found in a shop, where they sell products for Computer cooling with water, same with the hose 10 mm (0,39 inch) inner and 13 mm (0,51 inch) outer diameter
It tuck me some weeks, to collect all the parts but then the cell was assembled in only 5 minutes.Stack washers and the nuts on the thread rods, put them in to the holes of the first endplate, One gasket one plate and so on,always with the holes on the same place, second endplate screw it together and finito. You should then be able to look through the holes of your cell if everything is right placed.
The Container for the Electrolyte, is made out of an acrylic tube of 10cm (3,93 inch) with base and top plates, glued with Acrifix ( very good seal) I fill it with about 1 liter Electrolyte ( KOH I got from Cosmetics suppliers, soap producers and also from bakers shop. (2 Teespoons was enough)
At the moment I do the filling of the cell manually by putting the container a little higher than the hole in the cell, when I see, the liquid flowing out of the other hole I put it back a little more down than the hole. The cell can work for about two hours and then ned to be refilled. I want soon have something to do it periodically automatic. But for the tests now it`s OK.
Trough the other hole the gas (and in the beginning a little bit of foam) flows back in to the container, get separated, and further in to the bubbler, which is also made out of acryl ( absolutely tight.)
Notice,the number of plates I choosed, was more accidentally then planed, because I originally wanted to build a cell with 13 plates, for 24 V, of course, but I had only 11 and I was so curious to see what would happend, so I could`nt wait! But during the next weeks I want to make tests with 13 plates and 15 plates at 24 V it should work even better then now.
I can also give you more drawings and pictures if you want tomorrow.
Ah.. and sorry for my English, i am not a native speaker and in fact have never learned English in a school.
woodpecker
A drycell is the best hho cell you can build , it beats any wet cell anyday..
@jdcmusicman hi, yes thats exactly, what i found through my experience too. The open bath E. have cost me many bucks so i would try to convert them into drycells soon.
And, you should know, that actually your videos had inspired me to build my cell.
About your comment in Youtube: yes I can buy a new good Ammeter to make sure, that the reading is correct, but, you know, i never before had so much bubbling, it`s really amazing, and i think that this is some kind of an indicator too.
have a good day and lots of inspiration
woodpecker
@ woodpecker
Thanks so much for sharing your research with us.
Just a little more questions from me:
How much water does the cell consume (per hour)?
When you generate 1 l hydrogen per 22 or 25 seconds it is a lot of.
But what can I do with it? For what is this cell good for?
Is it enough to run an engine?
@AlanA, thanks for your Comments and Questions, and keep in mind, I am not a Specialist in these things, just a curios person seeking for my own answers, I can speak only about my own experience.
The cell consumes very little. You can count more per day or week, then per hour.
Now, what can we do with the gas,what is this cell good for? Please have a look at:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
go down the page there and download the file: Hydroxy Booster technology (PDF) - updated October 7 2008 there you will find all the answers. These are really good people doing serious work.
woodpecker;
That is one nice designe thanks for sharing it.
Oh Ya crazyenergy;
a very good job at Hijacking woodpeckers hard work and thread to get a little advertizing in, some one need to ban this guy
Hi all, I am back again, with some interesting Results:
During the last two days i try ed to improve my cell, i added two more plates and made better powerconnections to the plates, cause they where getting hot before. Now, the powerconnections work fine, but i had to remove the two extra plates. So i work with 10 cells and 24 - 24,5V again. Altough, theoretically the device should work with more efficiency with two more cells, it did`NT work at all that way. The cell was connected to the power for over 8 hours constantly and the Amperage did`NT get higher at all. 400mA was the maximum and it did`NT really help to add more KOH.Gasproduction very low, efficiency very low. As soon as i removed the two plates, the baby worked as perfectly as before. The Amperage now raises from 2,8A in 30 min to nearly 10 Amps. This is a little bit to quick but due to the higher KOH concentration i have in my reservoir now. I have just to lower the concentration to stabilize.
Of curse, i payed attention to jdcmusicman`s objection,that maybe my Amp meter is making wrong readings. So i went quickly buying a new one, to make sure, that the readings are correct.My new Amp meter is the type that professionals use in theyr daily work and has high accuracy now. And what shall i say - he was partly wright. Partly, because up to 6 - 7 Amps the readings where both the same, but when i am getting towards 10 Amps, the old one showed up about 1 Amp less. This could make a difference.
This morning i got up very early equipped with my new Amp meter and made some measurements:
I measured first the produced ml, it was 1 liter in 27 sek.
then i measured the Amps and i tuck the highest Value i could read. You know, when measuring Amps, when first touching the Electrode there is a Pique and the next few sek. the Amperage drops to a lower value. I tuck the pique value, which was not favorable at all to my measurement, but anyway. It was 9,4 Amps.
The Voltage was 24,5
So this makes 24,5V x 9,4A = 230,3 W x 27 Sek. = 6218,1 versus 7744 for 1 l gas
or: 230,3 x 27 /3600 = 1,72Wh versus 2,15 Faradays 100% Efficiency
So you can see, i have still over efficiency with this simple brute force electrolyzer
and no one can deny. Think of this: If ever i would get over 10 Amps, the fuse in my amps meter would immediately be blown out. Well this was not the case and therefore, as long as the fuse is intact i can not be over 10 Amps. But even with 10 Amps i would still be at 1,83Wh :-))
So this is definitely over efficiency.
Next week i will post my new video about making a drycell step by step. ;)
Nice day to you all
woodpecker
PS: Thanks to vonWolf
I have now reached 3,33Liters/minute with around 10 Amps
but i can not jet say exactly cause my amp meter only reaches 10 amps and I do`nt want to blow up its fuse.
woodpecker
look at ampmeter, and regulate the supply so that it flow exactly 10 Amps
(9,99A)
so now use an copper- or iron wire (Last is shorter)
.
connect them between + and -(common)
to shunt the amp meter.
and calibrate the lengt ,of wire) in the way tat the AMPmeter
shown you -now- 5 Amperes.
Now you van use yiur meter up to 20 Amps.
(double the reading values)
Pese
@ woodpecker,
great work, over 3lpm is really good! What is pondfoil? Could you also show some pics of your plates out of the cell? Does the thickness of the SS plates matter as well?
Thanks,
Mark
@ Pese, Thank you Pese for your information. What a honor, to get post from an Elitemember. You must have a long run behind you. Respect! I will certainly do this, for my private use.
But i think, when i give out information for public purpose, then i will still have to use an untouched expensive ampmeter, otherwise skeptic people wo`nt belive me. Thats why i am so happy with the burneout of my ampmeters fuse. This is an absolute proofe, that i could`nt be above 10 Amps. These tiny little glasfuses, they bourneout so quickly. Even in the booklet, which came with my ampmeter they write: never measure for longer than 10 sek and then wait for 15 min.:-))
I hope, i can ask for your help, when i start to build my device for pulsing frequencie, which will be soon.
@ mark 69, thank you, mark for your comment. well pondfoil i try ed to translate from the german, but could`nt find the right word.
Many peoples have little ponds in theire gardens today, with little goldfishes in, and therfore they need this black foil, made out of PVC. You find them in gardensupply centers on rolls, 4m to 8 m long. If you do`nt need a lot, like for these gaskets, it is quite cheap.
I will make my new video this week, and of curse, i can post here some pictures too.
The thicker plate eventually will have a longer life, and the resistance will be different, because the resistance of one cell depends not only on the electrolyte Konsentration and the gap in between the plates but also upon the thicknes ot the plates, as far as i know. But ask a specialist in electronics in the forum, the can gife you exact informations.
@ all, have a nice day, full of inspiration and a lot of joy!!!
We live in the days of great expecations, in any direction
dont belive in the bad things, the media ar telling you!
@Wood
Thanks for the info, I look forward to your next vidoes. Could you also tell me the thickness of your plates?
Mark
@mark69, i described it above its: 1,5mm or 0,059 inch (calculated with 2,54 cm for inch)
woodpecker
In the last days I did some maths and was surprised:
The drycell delivers 1 liter hydrogen in 22 seconds (216 watts) this means 2,5 m3 or 0,2124 kg hydrogen. In one hour this would be 150 m3 or 12,744 kg hydrogen.
I have read in a textbook that the BMW 7 Hydrogen needs 3,5 kg hydrogen per 100 km.
Isn't this very interesting or did I made a mistake?
For those from you who are not familar with the european scale unit kg = Kilo: 1 kg = 2,2046 pounds.
Alana from Austria :-)
No AlanA,
this dryCell is producing HHO- Mixture. So it produces only 2/3 of 1 Ltr in 27 sec.
1 Ltr pure H - weight = 0.08987 gr.
Now you can calculate yourself.
But it is pretty promising
Kator
Hy all,
I have just posted my new video, "how to build a drycell electrolyzer"
the text is in English, German and French. I hope you will enjoy it,
go to the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1eYMhvUvEU
have a nice day
woodpecker
@Wood, thanks for the great video. Had an idea, what if you had 2 holes in the SS plates, one at the bottom to feed in the electrolyte, and 1 at the top to exhaust out the gas (just have 1 hole in each of the first and last plate)? Would that allow the liquid and gas to circulate better? This way you dont get any air pockets.
Mark
@ Mark69, Thank you, for comment. I have been on a seminar for the last tree days, so i can answer only today.
Concerning your suggestion: you know, i wanted to get out the best efficiency from my cell. Any hole on the base would connect the compartments electrically with each other through the liquid and therefore reduce efficiency. If efficiency is not the goal, like in a booster for a car, where one want only a lot of gas, no matter at which Amperage, one can certainly drill holes also in the bottom. It would be better efficiency then in a open bath electrolyser but not reach the 100% of Faraday.
woodpecker
Hello Woodpecker,
thank you for your effort. One thing I like to mention is that the text in your video is almost undreadable. Cause is
red-yellow-color of the letters and very bad resolution. I would kindly suggest you create a Pdf-file here or change the technique of presenting text. A good example to present text are the videos of member CRANKYpants.
Thank you
Kator
@Kator01, thank you for your comment, I know, and therefore i deleted it yesterday.
The new vid. will be available maybe today. You know, i was so amazed and i wanted to post it as soon as possible so i did`nt check it before uploading. I will make tree new vid. one in English, one in German and one in french, so there is not so much text to read.
have a nice day
woodpecker
Hi all, I have just uploaded my new version of the "How to build" video
for English version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DJDKYXmIWM
for German version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej2nsCFVLkA
for French version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzMNRvl8QE
I am not a specialist for translations, but I think it is OK, cause in the end
it may be better to have a imperfect translated information then no information at all.
yours
woodpecker
wood Very nice !!! Most impressive [beautiful presentation] THANK YOU for sharing. Looking foward to your next video
Chet
Vielen Dank für die mühevolle Arbeit
vG
Kator
Thank you for the flowers. And the thanks should go out also to all the others, who shared their informations over the net, because without them, i could not build my drycell, which from now on is really our drycell, and we are a good team, yes!
What i hope now, is to find a lot of Car- Bike mechanics, cause it`s their turn now to test the cell.
A wonderful day with lots of inspiration
woodpecker
Hi woodpecker,
please pay attention to this subject here :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5952.new#new (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5952.new#new)
We have to do research to find a german company able to do this.
Regards
kator
@Kator01, Hi, i had a look at the link, but it seems to be quite complicate.
With another member of OU we have found a very easy solution.
More in some days...
woodpecker
Hi woodpecker,
your impression is right. But it is not so much that it is complicated because you just have to buy it., but It is very expensive.
I am sure there are companies like Degussa or Bayer-Leverkusen who have similar possibilities of so callled
"gas-phasen-epithaxie"-technology but there is no demand in industry - at least none we are aware of.
The question here with this product is : How long will it last ? As we know from the Ravi-Experiments in replicating the S.Mayer circuit, he speaks of conditioning. The conditioning resulted in a high-ohmic mineral layer desposition
on the surface area of the steel-plate and this would mean that this nano-plate would be gone after a certain time.
So whatever concept you will have in mind : any enhancement which aims at increasing the surface, you must consider the fact of mineral-deposition which settles in the rugged surface and finally leads to a lowering of the surface-area.
Best Regards
Kator01
Hi all,
interesting design. Could be appiied for impoving the drycell :
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/02.html#zoom12 (http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/02.html#zoom12)
Kator01
hI ALL;
PUT A WRONG LINK HERE:
This is the correct one :
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/05d.html (http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/05d.html)
Kator1
@Kator01, Hi,
I do not really understand how you mean, that this setup could improve anything? It shows just an openbath electrolyzer, so the plates are not really in series cause of much current leakage. I have tested 48 V from a welder with bridge rect. and cap. on my drycell, but the rectifier gets quite hot and wastes a lot of energy. Could you explain it a little bit more? thank you and have a wonderful day
woodpecker
Hi Woodpecker,
I mainly thought of the geometrical arrangement - not the electrical circuit. I think the gas flows out more smooth.
it´s harder to bouild though.
Regards
PS : if you use a welder you will have more than 20 Ampere. For this you will need special rectifier-bridges
( I had two bridges saved from the dump. They were part of an oil-heating-controller ).
You will have a power-flow of 0.5 KW at 10 Amps and 1 KW for 20 Amps at 48 Volt !
You have to look at the specification-data of your bridge.
Follow this link here for data-sheets :
http://www.datasheet4u.com/ (http://www.datasheet4u.com/)
Kator
Hi all,
i posted a video about my test of a 125 ccm Honda 4 stroke engine, running with the gas from my drycell. Here the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjcosQnp-rc
LG woodpecker
@Wood,
when you ran the motorcycle on the HHO, did you change the timing any? Have you considered making a second drycell to double your output and try to run it again?
Mark
@Mark69,
for that test, nothing was changed. When the engine first was running for more then a half a hour, i had the plan to double the output of my drycell. So i made one with 21 plates two times 10 Chambers in parallel. But that did not really double the output, efficiency was getting worse, and the result you could see in the video.
During the last weeks i have made two more drycells so in fact i should have enough gas now.
Actually i am working only for a new ignition system: a scr charging a capacitor, this way i hope to get rid of the waste spark and then i could change the timing also, to about 8 degree after OT
greets
woodpecker
Quote from: woodpecker on February 03, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
Hi all,
i posted a video about my test of a 125 ccm Honda 4 stroke engine, running with the gas from my drycell. Here the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjcosQnp-rc
LG woodpecker
Very good job woodpecker.
Have a look here too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n91oCeSfI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n91oCeSfI)
helmut
Quite impressive!
But their hp looks very much like advertising with nice words and saying nothing, making money!
Jess, Money makes the world go round, but for how long and for what price?
Greets
woodpecker
Habe gleiche Zelle in meinem Chrysler C300 installiert, hatte darüber bereits an anderer Stelle berichtet,die Angaben der Hersteller sind Korrekt leider in meinem Fall ohne nennenswerten Ergebnisse,eher das Gegenteil eingetreten Mehrverbrauch in Höhe von 1,5 liter,
Werde Zelle demnächst wieder ausbauen,vielleicht ist die Qualität des Gases nicht die die es sein sollte,eventuell zuviel Wasserdampf.
Oder die ganze Sache funzt eben doch nicht, was ich nicht hoffe und auch glaube.
Micha
Woodpecker
VERY NICE JOB
Time to make heat for the house
Chet
@ramset,
Thanks, and yes, let's do it!
I don`t think that there are complicate things in this heater. A good electrolyzer with bubblers and backflash arrestor, a currentlimiter, a ignition system with securitysystem, fan.
What kind of material would be better then these copper tubes? Do you have any idea?
woodpecker
Woodpecker
Titanium [TI] [But there might be even cheap materials ceramic?]
The HHO will bring the Titanium to 3100F
Almost twice as much as the copper
We need to research If Titanium can be purchased in a screen [Maximum surface area]
My family is in exotic metal distribution I will see about the screen
Any surplus aircraft supplier [junk yard] will have bits of broken landing gear struts etc [TI]
Also I need to catch up to you, so tomorrow I will start to duplicate your drycell
Open source YES
Chet
PS
A challenge will be measuring such high temps [with out using known metal melting points]
This is of course if we try ceramics we will not [at least I will not]be able to measure such high temps easily
OK, then,
i just try to post here the pdf file of the plan for the drycell. on page 4 i have my new version, for better refilling, have a look on that.
Greets
woodpecker
Woodpecker
Thanks
Chet
Quote from: helmut on February 04, 2009, 06:25:24 AM
Very good job woodpecker.
Have a look here too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n91oCeSfI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n91oCeSfI)
helmut
WOW !
133 Liter HHO Gas per minute with under 500 Watts of input power ?
Is this true ?
@Helmut@ Stefan
Is that correct?
130 LPM at 500 watts??
I can't understand the video
PLEASE
Chet
Well,
they don´t say much, how it is working...
But in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRefpODshs
they refer to the Joe Cell and use their cube cell.
They say, that they also apply a special frequency additionally
to the DC voltage.
The additional frequency does not use any much power they claim...
But from the audio it could be that they also use a vaccuum pump in
the background...
Well in the other video you can see 2 x 15Volts @22 amps , so it is more
likely like about 660 Watts of input power for the biggest unit they have and claim
133 Liters per Minute.
QuoteThey say, that they also apply a special frequency additionally
to the DC voltage.
The additional frequency does not use any much power they claim...
They may have a special frequency, that multiplies the gas production but as long as they keep it as a secret, as they say, it is not very helpful and it is not the way to make friends in here.
The cell looks usable and solid, but shocking the price, as micha wrote something about 1000.-/1500.- Euro
(for an Acrylic box with maybe 10 steelplates)
Nevertheless i don`t want to wait until someone conciders to re weal a special secret, i want to do, what i can do, NOW! (and then, slowly and surely, all the hidden secrets would just pop up here and there)
AND NOW I have ( and we all can have, cause its`s openly shared in this thread) an electrolyser, called drycell, with an output of 2,7 liters of gas/min at 10 Amps/24V = 240 W
We easily can have five such units and so we can get up to 13,5 liters of gas/ at 50 Amps/24V = 1200 Watt
2/3 of this HHO Gas, 9 liters/min, we know, is pure hydrogen, and this, after my own experience, is enough to run a 6,5 HP 291ccm Generator only by gas, This generator have a min. output of 2500 Watt.
But we only need 1200 Watt to generate the Gas. So what we have is a 1300 Watt of
free energyAssuming, that i am lying, and we would need 50%!! more energy to produce the gas, then we would need 1800 Watt to generate the gas and would still have a 700 Watt of free energy, hour by hour.
Think about!
woodpecker
@Chet and Wood,
Hey guys, I am very interested in your work for heating your house. Please keep me informed of your progress. I have a gas water heater coming over from my friend, it sprang a leak in the water tank but all the stuff I need is fine. Chet, since you are in the states as well, let me know where you get the "pondfoil" for the gasket material and how well your cell came out. I would be interested in it and make a drycell too. Wood, have you made any improvements to the drycell since your first few videos on page 1? Thanks guys,
Mark
Hi Woodpecker!
I've seen your Generator on HHO Gas video on YouTube, great work!
What do you use as Flashback Arrestor? We always had problems in case with simillar setup that the gas burning back... >:(
Thanks and keep going! The snow melts soon... ;)
Hi lacakukac ,
my Arrestor is just a coppertube 22mm diam. filled with stainless steelwool extra, that was enough. It works very fine. After many flashbacks on can open it and refill. My first Arrestor had only 15 mm diam. this made to much pressure. In USA the always used bronzewool, but here in Europe we cant get it. Some weeks ago i have seen a video of a guy that uses stainless steelwoll too and proofed, that this works even better.
In my first tests with the motor the gas was coming directly from the bubbler and i had these flashbacks too, but now with the Arrestor nothing at all. But i think, it is important too, that the gas comes out with a little bit pressure. The same thing is, when you will lite a torch an there is not enough gas, then you will get a flashback too.
G woodpecker , yes the snow is already melting now:-)
Hi all,
I was reading about people using nickel plates ( or nickel coated steel plates ) in dry cells. Apparently nickel is the poor mans platinum and helps the water molecules fall appart , so cell efficiency goes up. I havent tested this myself but it makes sense, as the Gunnermann patent mentions using nickel plated electrodes, as does the russina guy who did the low voltage elctrolysis work ( i forget his name ).
I also found a link to a site that talks about using a plate of composite nickel/iron particles. I think the nickel & iron particles must be a natural electrolysis pairing ( i forget the chemical name for it ).
www.qsinano.com/apps_hgen.php
So my next cell will be all nickel, and another half nickel coated plates, half stell coated plates.
I'll also get some plates nickel coated, and scratch 50% of the nickel off so I get a poor mans nickel/iron hybrid for cheap.
PS - nickel is the base metal all electroplaters use to electroplate onto. So getting steel coted should be cheaper than buying pure nickel plates......
Just a thought.....
Hi Woodpecker,
NICE WORK!!! but i have a few questions.
What the longest you have run your generator on HHO? also have you pulled it apart yet? has running it only on HHO had any adverse effects? (rusty valves or corrosion) There have been reports of "build up" in the cylinders of ICE's that run on Pure HHO that mean it requires a rebore (not really a problem if you think about it i hardly think a re-bore would cost as much as the gas money you'd save) Also if your thinking about coatings on your electrodes can i ask why? there may be a cheaper option to your needs then the proposed platinum...
Well good luck with your improvments!!!
Hi CrazyEwok,
i know what you mean! All the problems that could occur with the HHO gas. But i am not there jet and i do not all these work and tests for economizing money. If i would safe money, i would do nothing at all.:-)) I hate economizing, because the real world is created in abundance and creativity. So the man made society is more something of a antiworld to me. And financial Crisis, nothing but Greed! But i am quite hopefully, that together with all the other crazy people in the internet, we can change this antiworld peacefully into something better!
My starting point is giving, i do not care about my interests cause in the real world, there is an absolute justice and we will harvest what we sow.
Maybe i will spend much money for "nothing" and ruin some generators as well, but who cares, i had some fun too.
woodpecker
Thanks a lot! We will try it, and reply to you about experiences :)
Quote from: woodpecker on April 01, 2009, 06:47:12 PM
Hi lacakukac ,
my Arrestor is just a coppertube 22mm diam. filled with stainless steelwool extra, that was enough. It works very fine. After many flashbacks on can open it and refill. My first Arrestor had only 15 mm diam. this made to much pressure. In USA the always used bronzewool, but here in Europe we cant get it. Some weeks ago i have seen a video of a guy that uses stainless steelwoll too and proofed, that this works even better.
In my first tests with the motor the gas was coming directly from the bubbler and i had these flashbacks too, but now with the Arrestor nothing at all. But i think, it is important too, that the gas comes out with a little bit pressure. The same thing is, when you will lite a torch an there is not enough gas, then you will get a flashback too.
G woodpecker , yes the snow is already melting now:-)
Quote from: plasmastudent77 on April 01, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
Hi all,
I was reading about people using nickel plates ( or nickel coated steel plates ) in dry cells. Apparently nickel is the poor mans platinum and helps the water molecules fall appart , so cell efficiency goes up. I havent tested this myself but it makes sense, as the Gunnermann patent mentions using nickel plated electrodes, as does the russina guy who did the low voltage elctrolysis work ( i forget his name ).
I also found a link to a site that talks about using a plate of composite nickel/iron particles. I think the nickel & iron particles must be a natural electrolysis pairing ( i forget the chemical name for it ).
www.qsinano.com/apps_hgen.php
So my next cell will be all nickel, and another half nickel coated plates, half stell coated plates.
I'll also get some plates nickel coated, and scratch 50% of the nickel off so I get a poor mans nickel/iron hybrid for cheap.
PS - nickel is the base metal all electroplaters use to electroplate onto. So getting steel coted should be cheaper than buying pure nickel plates......
Just a thought.....
Good idea,
maybe just using 2 stacks of Neodym magnets will also help ?
They are usually Nickel coated.
The added magnetic field lines could help in breaking the water appart
at the right frequencies.
Looking forward to see your results.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Woody
QuoteAND NOW I have ( and we all can have, cause its`s openly shared in this thread) an electrolyser, called drycell, with an output of 2,7 liters of gas/min at 10 Amps/24V = 240 W
We easily can have five such units and so we can get up to 13,5 liters of gas/ at 50 Amps/24V = 1200 Watt
2/3 of this HHO Gas, 9 liters/min, we know, is pure hydrogen, and this, after my own experience, is enough to run a 6,5 HP 291ccm Generator only by gas, This generator have a min. output of 2500 Watt.
But we only need 1200 Watt to generate the Gas. So what we have is a 1300 Watt of free energy
Assuming, that i am lying, and we would need 50%!! more energy to produce the gas, then we would need 1800 Watt to generate the gas and would still have a 700 Watt of free energy, hour by hour.
Think about!
I look forward to you next instalment, but for now I have just one question. Can your generator deliver 50 amps continuously? Or even 25 amps?
I don't mean to put a downer on things, but do you not find this a bit of an issue.
Hi Farrah Day
QuoteI look forward to you next instalment, but for now I have just one question. Can your generator deliver 50 amps continuously? Or even 25 amps?
The 2500 Watt Generator should be able to deliver at least 10 Amps/ 230 Volts, with my starter/loader for cars which transforms the Voltage to 24 volts, the starter/loader is able to deliver about 40 Amps. So its not the Generator that delivers the Amps, its the starter.
But this is not the best way to work, cause the starter too needs some energy, so it would be better having a cell of about 133 plates running direct on 320 V DC but using only
2-3 Amps.
LG woodpecker
So instead of making a small high current, low voltage electrolyser you intend to make a large (many cell) high voltage, low current electrolyser. I see the logic and it will be interesting to see if you find a way over overcoming the losses.
I will be following your progress with interest.
Hello Woodpecker,
Do you have an update yet?
Regards, Cherryman
Well what i would do is build a fuel cell and then close the 'loop' and it will be self running :D.
Then use the excess energy for something else 24/7.
Quote from: Cherryman on September 07, 2009, 03:23:57 AM
Hello Woodpecker,
Do you have an update yet?
Regards, Cherryman
I´ve talked with woody personally. He´ll do his best.
The new cell works but the motor for testing is not yet ready.
so long
Dietmar ;-) www.magnetmotor.at