Have a look at this. http://www.planetenergy.com
Now tested by TUV and UL
Regards,
Keytronic
WOW,
if you look only this
http://www.planetenergy.com/ecm1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=54
Pese
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I'd seriously recommend anyone to take a look at those numbers!!!!
This is it folks!!! Final proof of Overunity through the use of magnetic fields, now backed even by TUV and UL!!!!
They have avoided any mention of OU, of course, in a brilliant approach, but this is it, they have it!!!!!
Too good to be true? If this is not a utterly refined and deliberate Hoax, then this is what we have been waiting for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetenergy.com%2Fecm1%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fresults%2Ful_001_graph.gif&hash=84ce92af7c6caa1dbfa45098d913f2ea73dacdf9)
If I recall I think Stefan was in contact with Johannes Schroetter from Terawatt several years ago.
Personal I think this is for real.
Keytronic
it was here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=598.10
Quote from: dani1 on October 27, 2008, 03:05:58 PM
it was here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=598.10
You are right, but the last post in that thread is from two years ago, the new resultas are huge and awesome!!!
http://www.terawatt.com/ecm1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=127
DEPN - Terms and Conditions - PLANETENERGY DOES NOT WARRANT THE ACCURACY OR COMPLETENESS OF THE MATERIALS OR ... Terawatt Research is operated by Planetenergy Limited and dedicated to ...
Why don't they just start selling this sucker to anyone that'll buy???
Don't make a bit of since to me!
Friggin put the product on the site for sale... That easy! What are they waiting on a global pandemic?
FFS people of Corporations do you wanna make money? Or do you wanna sell stock? Start selling it forget validation crap!
People will validate it if it works you know it I know it everyone friggin knows it!!!!
Quit being a bunch of friggin lamers and sell the product if it works word of mouth will make sure it gets out and on the must buy listing!
This device is similar to the other device in operation it appears that this is the way to go with magnetic motors amplifying the output to the shaft...
Now we know the method! But to build something crude we need a design. One that is easy to build....
-infringer-
I do not see anywhere on the website what the output shaft gets loaded with? It is my understanding that the "magnetic oscillation device" (6) on the output shaft is two repelling mags that try to stay 90deg out of phase, you will notice that the output side of this magnetic spring arrangement is also mounted on a rotating bearing, so where is the output load? I don´t think it has one, the large oscillations on torque sensor 2 may well be damped quickly when power is extracted from the final output shaft. I have a feeling that the large amplitude oscillations within this device are analogous to an electronic tank circuit, nice big power flows but you can´t use them without damping them. Hope I´m wrong though!
From the website:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetenergy.com%2Fecm1%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fmodel%2Fmodel_all2.jpg&hash=e2933a8265c5819d68c6bf221652c94c5ff7cb23)
QuoteThe first body (4) on shaft 1 is a magnetic drive driven by motor (3).
The second body (5) on shaft 2 is a Magnetic Torque and Speed Enhancement Device.
The third body (6) is a Magnetic Oscillation Device that amplifies the interaction between the first body (4) and second body (5).
There are two rotational torque sensors on two shafts (Futek Advanced Sensor Technology Inc.).
Each sensor (1) (2) is mated to an evaluation instrument (Kistler Como Torque 4700).
Each instrument is connected with RS 232 to an individual Computer.
The Data Acquisition System and software to analyze and record the Sensors is provided by DATAQ Instruments, Inc.
also from the site:
QuoteWe have overcome the biggest challenge - we can increase Power without fossil Fuel. The costs of this surplus of energy is ZERO, as an interactive magnetic oscillation is its source. We need energy to initiate that oscillation and to keep the oscillation alive, we need only to provide/return 30% of its constant output power back to the front end. The remaining Power represents a new available energy source that is only limited in the natural diminution of magnets which is 1-2% per 10 years. The components, such as Motors, Generators and Converters, need to be maintained and if required replaced.
So only feedback 30% of power from output to input to get a self runner, I would think a wind generator mag and coil set on the output shaft would have more than enough efficiency to give this 30% feedback and then some, strange how Terawatt haven´t closed the loop yet, I know I wouldn´t sleep until I had if I was certain of the above quote.
I hear you infringer, the problem is that companies, unlike individuals, need to produce revenue, or gather funding, in order to be able to exist. Selling something requires to have a product. It may seem easy, but to launch a product requires, first of all, the technology to be fully understood, if you want to succeed and not be ruined by lawsuits after your product experiences failures after a few months of use under conditions that you can hardly predict.
I perfectly understand that a company may take 10 to 15 years to launch a new technology to market. I myself have a very modest technology for eliminating one single mineral from water, and I have still to get a decent product to start marketing it, after 5 years of constant struggle for funding and a pilot plant running.
If anyone disagrees with my analysis below then please let me know, I would love for this to be OU:
After looking at all available info on this device it is now my belief that Terrawatt have just made an expensive looking mechanical oscillator with a high enough Q to show good resonances.
The "output" torque sensor is just measuring large torques within the system. This is just a mechanical version of an LC tank circuit. You will get the same result by scoping accross a low resistance shunt within an LC tank, you would see large AC power in there and you would only need to feed small AC power in to keep the internal oscillations going.
One could produce the same results with a pendulum, only a small energy input is needed to mantain the much larger energy flows (kinetic to potential) within the closed system. But try and extract the energy and the oscillations will be damped.
The experimental verification by TUV and UL only acknowledges that the torque sensors and RPM were reading what was published in the experimental results, however to call torque sensor (2) an output torque is wrong, that sensor is placed before the "Magnetic Oscillation Device". If torque sensor (2) was on the true output shaft, outside of the system, and beyond it was a mechanical load then I would be excited about this.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. I may be wrong but then you would think the loop would be closed if it was OU, after all it doesn't look like the loop isn't closed because of lack of budget.
I have to second Yucca's comments.
When all is analyzed, it appears to be a type of 'rude goldberg' mechanical oscillator.
I'd hope to be wrong, just as Yucca, but it seems that it is all Terawatt has.
Quote from: Yucca on October 28, 2008, 07:46:32 AM
If anyone disagrees with my analysis below then please let me know, I would love for this to be OU:
After looking at all available info on this device it is now my belief that Terrawatt have just made an expensive looking mechanical oscillator with a high enough Q to show good resonances.
The "output" torque sensor is just measuring large torques within the system. This is just a mechanical version of an LC tank circuit. You will get the same result by scoping accross a low resistance shunt within an LC tank, you would see large AC power in there and you would only need to feed small AC power in to keep the internal oscillations going.
One could produce the same results with a pendulum, only a small energy input is needed to mantain the much larger energy flows (kinetic to potential) within the closed system. But try and extract the energy and the oscillations will be damped.
The experimental verification by TUV and UL only acknowledges that the torque sensors and RPM were reading what was published in the experimental results, however to call torque sensor (2) an output torque is wrong, that sensor is placed before the "Magnetic Oscillation Device". If torque sensor (2) was on the true output shaft, outside of the system, and beyond it was a mechanical load then I would be excited about this.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. I may be wrong but then you would think the loop would be closed if it was OU, after all it doesn't look like the loop isn't closed because of lack of budget.
Quote from: Yucca on October 28, 2008, 07:46:32 AM
If anyone disagrees with my analysis below then please let me know, I would love for this to be OU:
After looking at all available info on this device it is now my belief that Terrawatt have just made an expensive looking mechanical oscillator with a high enough Q to show good resonances.
The "output" torque sensor is just measuring large torques within the system. This is just a mechanical version of an LC tank circuit. You will get the same result by scoping accross a low resistance shunt within an LC tank, you would see large AC power in there and you would only need to feed small AC power in to keep the internal oscillations going.
One could produce the same results with a pendulum, only a small energy input is needed to mantain the much larger energy flows (kinetic to potential) within the closed system. But try and extract the energy and the oscillations will be damped.
The experimental verification by TUV and UL only acknowledges that the torque sensors and RPM were reading what was published in the experimental results, however to call torque sensor (2) an output torque is wrong, that sensor is placed before the "Magnetic Oscillation Device". If torque sensor (2) was on the true output shaft, outside of the system, and beyond it was a mechanical load then I would be excited about this.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. I may be wrong but then you would think the loop would be closed if it was OU, after all it doesn't look like the loop isn't closed because of lack of budget.
I think your analysis mightbe wrong,
cause we don´t see any input power decrease at the resonance of the output.
This always happens when there is is input into a high Q LC tank,
but here the input power stays constant...
Also it is not shown, how the output is exactly done, so
all analysis until now is very vague..
Regards, Stefan.
Yeah I suspect that Yucca et. al. are right: we're seeing some sort of resonance artifact.... On the other hand, if there *is* some overunity effect here i would guess that it might involve "chopping" of the magnetic field by the "magnetic oscillation device". Could it be possible that the magnetic field couples to the earth- or interplanetary field by induced magnetic reconnection? In any case, the old "black box" approach always leaves me feeling a bit suspicious-- How do these magical parts work?
I'd like this one to be true but honestly I don't think they have anything for real here.
They are just presenting "magic" eye-candy numbers.
Have a look at this site. It's showing good examples on the typical "scammer".
http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html
Quote:
The scammer usually has a good website. Make that a GREAT website. Well, actually their website looks like it was build by site-design experts who charge enormous fees. Wow, look at that thing, how could they afford to create such an expensive monstrous "online facade?" And that's it exactly: FACADE. The scammers spend all their resources making an airtight facade: a false front which looks trustworthy. Sometimes it looks far more trustworthy than any legit company's website. It certainly looks more trustworthy than the website of a legit inventor. REAL inventors' websites are crap, since they're made by the inventor (since inventors can't afford to pay anyone, and also, why pay for something that you can build yourself?)
This is very true indeed. If they had really found the holy grail they should be afraid of getting to much public attention.
They would just need a couple of private demonstrations for "money" people to get their fundings.
No need to alert the entire world and perhaps get surpassed or taken out.
Just have look at Paul Sprain. He's got no website, no public talk, no nothing until he and his company is ready to unveil their discoveries.
If you really know you've got the golden egg, then shut up if you don't want to loose it before you are ready to present it to the world.
I think that the numbers presented are for real. But there is one big hatch: Oscillation! If you try to load a system that is in oscillation - by making a self runner, the oscillation frequency will rapidly change, making the energy output much less. As you can see in some drawings, the energy output is greater in just narrow peaks. Any load will outbalance the oscillation and then the motor will finally consume more energy than it can deliver. My thaughts.
Br.
Vidar
http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/ (http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/)
What is it? No one cares that it looks very much like someone has done what we all want done? Are we all so involved in looking that we can't see what is found?
And God said to the man: "Hey, what you looking for?". To which the man said "Don't bother me". Again God said:"Hey, what you looking for? To which the man said: " I said go the hell away and stop interrupting me!". Once again God said: "Please, one last time, what is it you are looking for?". And the man replied "I'm looking for God, now go fuck off and stop bothering me!".
It's an old saying that means: we wouldn't know when we found what we want if it were to bite us hard on the nipple, because we are addicted to searching.
The strange oscillation effect presented by the TeraWatt group may for sure be a genuine OU discovery.
Time will show. Until then, let's keep poised in an open state of mind.
The thing is there has been so much bullshitting in this business that nine out of ten members of
this forum have become like pessimistic old nagging crones puking their negativity all around them,
disbelieving anything new and stomping on anyones attempt to present an idea.
They have in fact become part of exactly the rigid and back striving forces of naysayers and skeptics
that this forum was meant to stand up against.
To the one out of ten that still carries the intelligent combination of an open mind and watchfulness,
thank you for your optimism and positive energy. It is really needed in these times.
Gwandau
all i have to say is if ol' Willy Webster is truly behind this, i would pay REAL CLOSE attention to what these guys are doing. because its probably NOT a scam.
he is the one person on the face of the earth, that actually HAS all of the united states' technological secrets.
Quote from: Gwandau on July 14, 2010, 09:51:27 PM
The strange oscillation effect presented by the TeraWatt group may for sure be a genuine OU discovery.
Time will show. Until then, let's keep poised in an open state of mind.
The thing is there has been so much bullshitting in this business that nine out of ten members of
this forum have become like pessimistic old nagging crones puking their negativity all around them,
disbelieving anything new and stomping on anyones attempt to present an idea.
They have in fact become part of exactly the rigid and back striving forces of naysayers and skeptics
that this forum was meant to stand up against.
To the one out of ten that still carries the intelligent combination of an open mind and watchfulness,
thank you for your optimism and positive energy. It is really needed in these times.
Gwandau
I agree exactly with what you are saying. We have become numb to loud promises and claims that eventually amount to nothing, and so like drunkards just keep searching with our numbed senses for a breakthrough...which generally amounts to just more loud and exaggerated proclamations.
Here, with stealth, enters Terawatt Research. They enter under the radar and rather than proclaim great and wondrous things, instead, offer explicit detail of test results by the most prestigious and excepted laboratories available. Results that confirm that the power that comes out is at least three fold whats goes in. Yet they present it in such a way that it looks to be no big deal. Why do they do it this way?
They are not interested in the numbed-out OU crowd. They are interested only in the most brilliant and awake. Those few who can help make a real breakthrough -- profit humanity. Let's face it, few have what it takes to really support those who have done the work and have a real and genuine product.
So Terawatt Research, quietly does what it does, as we sleep and pretend as if we matter.
May I ask why the people in these most prestigious laboratories available do not understand what they are seeing? Can you give us names so we can ask why can't they see the importance in your work? Or if they have seen, why are they not crying out to the world?
Are they too dumb to believe you?
No offense, but the way it looks to lots of people is, you are either a scammer or have very lousy marketing skills. But hey, there are some out there a whole lot smarter than I am.
B
Thanks for the link Jimmy!
seems like their setting up to do "business"[nice storefront .just enough info. the right "crew"].
That would be nice!
Of course open source would be nicer!
Alas the troubles of marketing "The Golden Goose"!{must be rough].
Chet
Quote from: icanbeatbob on July 15, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
May I ask why the people in these most prestigious laboratories available do not understand what they are seeing? Can you give us names so we can ask why can't they see the importance in your work? Or if they have seen, why are they not crying out to the world?
Are they too dumb to believe you?
No offense, but the way it looks to lots of people is, you are either a scammer or have very lousy marketing skills. But hey, there are some out there a whole lot smarter than I am.
B
Dear icon,
I'm certain these people know exactly what they have....far, far more than we can imagine. The intriguing thing is how they have stood everything on its head, and are going about it just the opposite as to how everyone else commonly has. Most people scream: "I have OU! I have OU!!!", and they have little or no real measurement data to back up those claims.
Energy-in to energy-out is EXTREMELY difficult to accurately calculate. It takes the finest scientific instruments available, that have been recently calibrated and tested. Then it takes the proper documented and licensed technicians who really know how to use those instruments to actually make the tests under very, very stringent criteria that is acceptable to the general scientific community. How many times have we seen this done here on the forum? How about...none.
Until now!Yet its all pretty much ignored. Reason for which i already touched on.
To delve deeper in your questions. It's pretty much clear that if you yell "OU!" too loud, your brain-child is bought and shelved or you are silenced in some not very happy ways. So again, these folks turn everything upside-down and the big OU is not even mentioned. You can't Google the term "over unity" and find them. Is that smart, or what.
Basically, they are doing it right. Which makes this dumb-ass, think that they really, really have IT!
News?
:-\