Here we go again.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4)
Interesting, it may be worth a build for conformation.
I'm not convinced that those tiny coils could provide the power to run the motor. :-\
More to the point... There doesn't seem to be any capacitors. ???
@all
I have been trying to contact that guy for a long time to buy the plans he offered, but to no avail. Anyone has gotten those plans and want to post them?
Well it's down to a "Self running and self charging 1.5V watch battery", still looks worth building compared to other projects ;D
Quote from: Goat on November 13, 2008, 10:44:11 PM
Well it's down to a "Self running and self charging 1.5V watch battery", still looks worth building compared to other projects ;D
Ah !... That's why I cannot see any caps or batteries :-[.
It would be interesting to see what it's suspended from,may be a nice big 12v battery!!!
peter
What's the big deal here?
You can see the watch battery (batteries?) in their holder at 0:07. It's the orangish thing just to the right of the bridge rectifier at the 6 oclock position.
We all know that a pulse motor, if well designed, needs only tiny little miniscule low-power pulses to run.
We also know that the batteries will eventually run out.
How about showing an oscillograph of the voltage to one of the coils on one trace, and the current drawn from the battery on the other (use voltage drop across a known resistor, for example).
Good eyes TinselKoala Good eyes.
Quote from: AB Hammer on November 14, 2008, 05:56:44 PM
Good eyes TinselKoala Good eyes.
Evidently better than mine ;D.
@All
This has been around since last July, I remember it from another thread, just too lazy to go find it right now but at the time the order page http://ohio-overunity.tripod.com/id2.html was stating that he wasn't ready for orders and now it's at "Check Back near End of August" so I'm not sure where he's at with the kit. At any rate I don't think the plans are a show stopper :) the design reminds me of the Bedini generator that Jim Watson built, it's nice and clean and doesn't have complicated electronics so it should be easy enough to build for the average man ;)
Version 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4 from July 22, 2008
"Self running motor-gen-combo. Using 6 power coils. Starts off slow but spins up "
Version 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWpB3peU3Uk&feature=related is the part4 video of the Mini-Motor-Gen from July 23, 2008. This model is the 2 battery system where he was working towards an automatic switching for the batteries from source to charge battery. In this video he displays voltage readings.
"Self Running, Self Powering Mini-Motor-Generator. Overunity has been achieved in this model. It is just enough to keep itself powered up. I did not need to populate the Base with all 16 coils that I had built the Template for. Keep in mind that by Request People wanted to see a running Model made from parts you could get from Radio Shack and local stores. I am stopping for now at this point and starting on full size version that will power a house by running it's power it produces into a few Power-Invertor's and that power into Line conditioning transformer to get the 40 Amps of 220 volts AC I need. When I switched the Rotor disc to an actual NEO-Mag with much more strength the same exact base assembly put out 51 Volts DC. I was amazed. I have a manual set of switches on this clear plastic model shown. 1 to select run Battery, the other to select charge to battery. The new Full size model will Auto Switch to avoid EXPLODING the Battery Pack or Frying the Power Invertor's."
Regards,
Paul
Why why why do ALL these "self-runners" and Bedini motors and overunity battery chargers need a battery at all in the first place?
Seems like a rather glaring flaw, to me.
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 15, 2008, 12:35:44 PM
Why why why do ALL these "self-runners" and Bedini motors and overunity battery chargers need a battery at all in the first place?
Seems like a rather glaring flaw, to me.
Because the energy gain in these systems is not from the magnetics in the motor but from chemical
assisted CF cold fusion in battery. If acoustics can form cavitation bubbles energy in a CF reactor,
Why can't high voltage pulses form them in acid lead batteries? They can and do, and produce
energy gain there. CF doesn't happen in capacitors, but you can't pulse capacitors beyond
their working voltage either.
Very often in a closed loop system (self running system) you want batteries to kick things off,
but you must not pulse the batteries or you will get gain there. You must have batteries that
float in the loop. Overunity is when a self running systems load energy use has exceed the
capacity of the battery to supply the load.
:S:MSCoffman
OK, I'll accept that as an answer that has some "face validity", that is, it seems like a plausible answer.
But I have to ask, isn't it a bit "post hoc", that is, it has the feeling of something that was thought of specifically to explain the need for batteries.
So I have to ask, is there any experimental evidence for cold fusion or any other process in batteries, other than the usual chemical reactions, that produce excess energy?
(And if you point to the performance of Bedini-style "self-running" motors as evidence, I'll just have to pound my head against the keyboard some more...)
I disagree.
If one were to make something run longer on the "suggested capacity of a battery" they are not creating an OU.
They are giving proof that the suggested capacity is wrong.
...or possibly a more efficient use of energy has been utilized.
I guess it really all depends on how you look at it.
Regards...
@all
Does anyone has made a schematic of the posible arrange of the components of the selfrunning motor?
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 15, 2008, 09:19:45 PM
@all
Does anyone has made a schematic of the posible arrange of the components of the selfrunning motor?
Jesus
It isn't self-running, it uses a battery.
Jason
Hi all,
QuoteIt isn't self-running, it uses a battery.
Jason
A battery prevents it from being a self runner? if the battery does not discharge during the run, it is a self runner. The battery can be used as a tank.
QuoteDoes anyone has made a schematic of the posible arrange of the components of the selfrunning motor?
Each coil has its rectifier bridge, that is the wiring that you see around the stator, he dumps in a battery than to the motor. He would have less drag with less gap and bifilar air core, probably get more output too with neo magnets.
Take care,
Michel
@4tesla
I made a combined circuit that runs a newman motor with just a 1.5v battery. If I can make the circuit to use the battery and recharge it, for me that is a self runner.
@michelinho
It is difficult for me to visualize a circuit without a visual diagram. Do you have a diagram of what you are explaining?
Jesus
@nievesoliveras,
Sorry, I don't have a diagram.
Each coil is connected to the ac terminals of the rectifier bridges.
The red wire connects all the "+" of the rectifier bridges.
The black connects the "-" of the rectifier bridges.
Those two are your outputs of the alternator that connects to the battery and to the motor with a switch to open the circuit between the motor and the battery. He uses a terminal block under the stator for all his connections.
I'm running Unix now and don't have access to my usual programs.
Hope this helps,
Michel
@michelinho
I will try to draw a diagram with what you said and I will post it when I finish, so the group can make changes to it.
Lets see if we can replicate it even though the inventor does not give us any help.
Jesus
@nievesoliveras,
He is using 6 rectifier bridges, probably this model:
BRIDGE ( BR-5 ) - Model : KBP005-3 / Amp - Volts : 3 A 300 V
I bought 18 last week and they were easily identified.
Take care,
Michel
@all
Here is the preliminar circuit diagram. I will accept any new positive ideas.
Jesus
@nievesoliveras,
That is the stator wiring diagram. The output gain by using a smaller rectifier bridge on each coil is probably why this is a self runner.
Usualy an alternator uses one hefty (35A) rectifier bridge per phase which is less efficient but less costly. To get a self runner, you must optimize everything and he is doing just that with his design. I am building an alternator and I bought one rectifier bridge for each of the 12 coils.
Bedini uses battery and one of is machine charges 5 batteries while discharging one but he never close the loop. Identical batteries.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 16, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
@4tesla
I made a combined circuit that runs a newman motor with just a 1.5v battery. If I can make the circuit to use the battery and recharge it, for me that is a self runner.
@michelinho
It is difficult for me to visualize a circuit without a visual diagram. Do you have a diagram of what you are explaining?
Jesus
If it can run over 24 hours then I'll agree. How long has this motor run?
Jason
This motor could run more efficient then it does by using double wound coils so the collapsing fields could be utilized.
I am also curious about what these are next to the motor.
I believe those are battery packs that were later replaced by a single 1.5v watch battery. Some say it is just needed to start and then it is self-running??
I was thinking that but I wasn’t sure.
It would need a place to store the charge but it would have to charge at least what it consumes and it wouldn't need a charge to start, it would only need a spin to start it and for it to continue to run. It is a dc motor which requires a continuous current to keep running and the battery would supply that where as the pulsed current wouldn't and that is why a battery would be necessary to keep it running unless it used a centrifugal clutch set up but then the motor would turn on and off every time a pulse current was supplied to it.
I don't see how it would be possible to get OU in this setup. It is like running an alternator with a motor and trying to get OU.. it just doesn't work.
I agree but I can't say it does or doesn't without building it or seeing it in person.
@all
Does anyone know how to connect the circuit I made, the batteries and the motor?
@michelinho
The stator connections are the most important part to get AC to DC conversion on this motor. That shown on it, is not just the stator. The stator are the coils. The AC to DC conversion are the full rectifiers added to the coils.
Now only is needed the motor connection and the battery connection
The switch I think that is only to break continuity to the battery. It could be placed at the negative or positive wires.
Correct me if I am wrong.
@4tesla
QuoteIf I can make the circuit to use the battery and recharge it, for me that is a self runner.
I did not claim it to be a self runner. I just expressed a desire on that sentence.
The longest it has run on one 1.5v battery is about 2 hours.
Jesus
@all
I do expect that somebody can replicate this motor successfully now. I would try to replicate, but I am short of cash and I cant.
Good luck!
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 17, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
@all
I do expect that somebody can replicate this motor successfully now. I would try to replicate, but I am short of cash and I cant.
Good luck!
Jesus
Nice Job on the schematic!
Thank you 4tesla!
One thing that should be added here is the coil/magnet setup. I have been
looking into the 9 coil/ 12 magnet setup. That comes from the low speed wind
generator head. It comes out as 3 phase but you can use a 3 phase diode set
and do the same with it.
I finally found a motor that has a flat topped gear on it and can have a platter
mounted to it for the magnets. I will be winding 9 coils from #30 wire and see
how it goes. The motor will run on 6v and at 12v it is around 10krpm!
thaelin
@thaelin
Very well, post photos if you can!
Jesus
@nightlife
24.Feb 2009 I can't see those two battery blocks !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4&feature=channel
Maybe it was a previous setup , or someone else gave a false information on purpose !
@nightlife
I found this photo on a search.
I would like to know the name of the white pieces around the device.
Do you know what are they?
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on February 24, 2009, 02:55:42 PM
I would like to know the name of the white pieces around the device.
Coils...
Quote from: CTG Labs on February 24, 2009, 04:17:02 PM
Coils...
Thank you @ctglabs
I know they are coils, but what I want to know (that is if they come inside of that white thing) how I ask for them on Radio shack.
I mean, will I say: I want coils surrounded by a white case?
Or the case is something that I suppose to build myself?
I ask this questions because every time I go to a radio shack and ask for a part, almost always the clerk does not know what I am talking about. They assume that I am the one that knows about electronic parts. And I am new to this.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on February 24, 2009, 05:28:04 PM
Thank you @ctglabs
I know they are coils, but what I want to know (that is if they come inside of that white thing) how I ask for them on Radio shack.
I mean, will I say: I want coils surrounded by a white case?
Or the case is something that I suppose to build myself?
I ask this questions because every time I go to a radio shack and ask for a part, almost always the clerk does not know what I am talking about. They assume that I am the one that knows about electronic parts. And I am new to this.
Jesus
Hi Jesus,
I like the effort, work and sharing you have done to date in all the topics you start or participate in ;)... thanks ;D
Those coils are taken out of a relay! ...something like the sample below. He probably bought them at Radio Shack as he says. These coils are great for this kind of project since they have been design for efficiency. They make a strong magnetic field with little power, (high amount of windings). Each coil can easily measure 75 Ohms DC resistance, so they put out high voltage spikes if a magnet goes by them.
The relays have one screw on top (between arrows) and he used this same bracket to srew the coils down on his project board. One just need to bend the bracket from 90 degrees to flat.
Hope this helps
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on February 24, 2009, 09:05:54 PM
Hi Jesus,
I like the effort, work and sharing you have done to date in all the topics you start or participate in ;)... thanks ;D
Those coils are taken out of a relay! ...something like the sample below. He probably bought them at Radio Shack as he says. These coils are great for this kind of project since they have been design for efficiency. They make a strong magnetic field with little power, (high amount of windings). Each coil can easily measure 75 Ohms DC resistance, so they put out high voltage spikes if a magnet goes by them.
The relays have one screw on top (between arrows) and he used this same bracket to srew the coils down on his project board. One just need to bend the bracket from 90 degrees to flat.
Hope this helps
Luc
Thank you @gotoluc, that helps a lot !
Jesus
http://ohio-overunity.tripod.com/id2.html
Above is a link to his order page but, it says he won't be ready until August. Which August?
Bill
Hi @pirate
This guy has been changing that date for a long time. He first began by saying that if you go to that link he will charge you just one dollar for the information, then he said something about the spring, the summer, january etc.
Then he posted something about a generator to run the whole house, that is if I did understand what he said.
It seems that he is not going to share or sell his idea to us, even though he offered to do so.
I even went to his youtube account and posted a message on his email. He never answered it.
We have to figure it out by ourselves.
At least we are closer now.
Jesus
@all
I was doing my daily search of ideas to improve my experiments and found the author of the photo I posted before here:
http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~137.asp
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 17, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
@all
I do expect that somebody can replicate this motor successfully now. I would try to replicate, but I am short of cash and I cant.
Good luck!
Jesus
Hi,
This motor should be easy to replicate, and I will make a try myself and maybe post a video on YouTube. All parts are cheap, but the motor can also be another kind of motor. You can buy a 540 size DC motor in a RC-hobby store. It costs less than 10 dollars. The coils is possible to make yourself with iron nails or somthing similar and a few meters of wire. The six bridge rectifiers can also been bought very cheap. The small ones costs maybe less than a dollar each. But if you're broke, you're broke, so low prices doesn't help much anyways :-\
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on February 25, 2009, 09:09:44 AM
Hi,
This motor should be easy to replicate, and I will make a try myself and maybe post a video on YouTube. All parts are cheap, but the motor can also be another kind of motor. You can buy a 540 size DC motor in a RC-hobby store. It costs less than 10 dollars. The coils is possible to make yourself with iron nails or somthing similar and a few meters of wire. The six bridge rectifiers can also been bought very cheap. The small ones costs maybe less than a dollar each. But if you're broke, you're broke, so low prices doesn't help much anyways :-\
Br.
Vidar
Thank you @lowq !
I went to radio shack to ask for the relay price and each relay without tax is $10.79 So six relays without tax is $64.74.
It is better the way you say. Using nails an wire.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on February 25, 2009, 08:20:32 AM
Hi @pirate
This guy has been changing that date for a long time. He first began by saying that if you go to that link he will charge you just one dollar for the information, then he said something about the spring, the summer, january etc.
Then he posted something about a generator to run the whole house, that is if I did understand what he said.
It seems that he is not going to share or sell his idea to us, even though he offered to do so.
I even went to his youtube account and posted a message on his email. He never answered it.
We have to figure it out by ourselves.
At least we are closer now.
Jesus
I e-mailed him for more information and how to order last summer (7/08) and I got no response either. Don't know if this guy is for real or not.
Quote from: Xaverius on February 26, 2009, 12:58:59 AM
I e-mailed him for more information and how to order last summer (7/08) and I got no response either. Don't know if this guy is for real or not.
Thank you @xaverius !
Maybe this guy did just a magic trick that has us all thinking that the device was working, or he received a good offer from somebody to get him silent and market the idea.
Jesus