Hey guys...
I was conditioning my plates with 12v 1amp. I was told that short duration of low amps was best at first.
I was also told that drying the cell in between sessions would aid the buildup of said oxide layer...
So I took the plates out and set them vertically to dry. Then I had the idea... why not turn on the juice and boil off the remaining water? Eventually, no current will flow. Does this work? I'll let you know how it goes...
Also, is there any reason to expect that + - + - + - cell configuration will yield more gas than just one + - given the same input power?
conditioning is a lie.
I think conditioning meant for bob boyce replication will not work for normal electrolysis or for stanley meyer replication. Stanley meyer replication conditioning will not work for normal elctrolysis. But they all share the same preconditioning in order to make the plate less magnetic or even, either with exposing to inert gas argon, applying even heat, etc.
conditioning your plates is useful, in the way that firstly you rid the plates of excess iron content which prevents the water from discolouring and stopping hho production. the oxide layer is supposed to yeild more hho due to the way the surfaces become rough thus containing more surface area.
No one has answered the questions asked yet. Since no-one has answered you i would say that no-one has tested it. if you want you can try different ways to condition your plates personally if it takes me 3 months of conditioning to get a cell that produces no brown much then i will be very happy with that invested time... i suggest trying your dry voltage application to increase the dry time but be careful i would hate for you to create a spark and ignite any wofting H...
as for your question on the +-+-+- configuration i have often thought this myself along with how they are connected... squence vs parallel... maybe you can tell us???
I have also wanted to know with the the guys that creat the tube based reaction chambers if they have thought about putting some holes in the electrodes to allow water to flow into the gaps once it has been electrolized... they have these long tubes with a very small gap at the top that as far as i can tell is meant to allow water to flow the full length of the tube and allow the gases escape... and design for them maybe to flow the water into the gap of the tubes and have the other end as the gas exit point... thus shrinking the thickness of their cells... All theory use as you will.
I will be very interested in seeing the effientcy of your cell if you use a +-+-+-+- configuration. Also please let us know if parallel or squence works better?
Ok here's an update...
So far, I have not tested the + - + - + - configuration, so I'm not sure if it's more efficient or not. I'm going to assume that given equal input power, it's going to output the same amount of gas. Ravi however stated in his orginial Meyers replication document that multiple tube pairs boosted efficiency exponentially... WHY you ask? The same reason that drilling holes in the tubes is a bad idea (IMHO)
You see, one of the resonant effects (supposedly) acheived by Meyers is that of cavitation, or transduction, whatever you want to call it it is essentially transferring electricity into mechanical motion. When the tubes are pulsed at their natural, auditory resonant frequency, a vibration occurs. This vibration pressurizes/depressurizes the water molecules to the point where the orientation of the atoms in the molecule start to change, literally 'bending' the molecule. This makes dissociation easier. Just read the Peter Davey Heater article, it explains this perfectly. More plates means more vibrations, literally vibrating the whole cell. This would also explain why LONG tubes work better -- more pressure inbetween two tubes, because less place for the water to escape. Drilling holes would counteract this effect -- it would be AWESOME if anybody could test this though, it would finally prove/disprove the cavitation myth.
I have tried dutifully to condition the plates with mediocre success. After about 3 weeks of on/off cycles ranging from 5 seconds to 6 hours, from 12V 1amp to 24V 1.25 amp, drying inbetween and no drying inbetween, I have witnessed the formation of a VERY THICK COATING, almost like a rubber skin on the inner surface of the negative electrode. Unfortunately, the skin is not consistent, possibly because I accidentally reversed the charge to the plates once during the process. It seems fairly impossible to correct this blunder, and my layer has been flaking off ever since.
Good luck
Ramped rhythmic electrolysis conditioning of capacitor tubes changes the surface population of alloying elements in this highly chemically reactive environment of hydroxy gases operating in a strong electrostatic voltage field; all this chemistry is accelerated.
Iron, possibly the most reactive ingredient in the general stainless alloy family, is the first to be etched away into solution. So, since conditioning seems to go to a completion of sorts, then the surface is essentially being plated, in effect, with chromium, molybdenum, and the other less reactive alloying elements. This aspect definitely needs further analysis and experimentation as we may be able to move much higher than the reported 1700% over unity power gains.
Once this process is completed, the water dielectric stays pure longer, and voltage activities both rise and stabilize, with fewer ions (of any type) forming to created a current reducing voltage situation.
Bottom line, efficiency rises.
One important phenomenon affecting efficiency that is way under developed is the surface roughing, currently using sandpaper, of the active capacitor faces.... inside surface of the outer tube and the outside surface of the inner tube.
In future days, processes will be developed using lasers and or chemical etchants with masks (similar to cpu processes); MEMES. Here will be discovered the shaping of capacitor surfaces to find the best pattern for charge intensification through contour enhancing technologies; suface charge dynamics based upon shapes...aka lighning rods and Leyden Jar inferences.
I want to be helpful.
It may worth to try to conditioning the cell with radiant energy generated by Bedini generator or Imhotep radiant oscillator. It only good for conditioning though, since the current is very low.
This is probably more towards resonance but is a type of conditioning but I read that Keely heated his metal and vibrated the metal as it cooled slowly at a certain frequency, this allows the metal to resonate (cavitate) may be worth a try if you have a way to heat the metal.