Can anyone find a flaw or loop hole in this construct...I can't.
Even if there were one or two shortcomings, it is still far more viable than the present system.
http://socialviability.com/
Regards...
Quote from the site:
Social Viability exists to:
• Help you achieve personal wealth and financial independence
• Help you provide security for your family
• Help you build prosperous business enterprises
• Help you build a society that does not interfere with your life
This is a totally flawed concept because they all hindge around "self".
I just pick at the first one:
If I lived in a supportive society, why would I care for personal wealth ? Further, in a supportive society money would be superflous.
By the way I am not a proponent of NWO or communism (soviet style)!
All the above bullet points looks like someone it trying to make me feel I need help whist they are trying to pick my pocket.
Regards
AM
You want some economic stimulus. Take all mortgages and make them null and void. They didn't have the assets to make legal loans anyway so their acts were criminal. Who is gonna suffer from this. The guys that built the house have been paid. The guys that made the car have been paid. Lets move on and leave these shitbirds to jump out windows or whatever they do when they find out they are totally unproductive theiving con men. Jail em and put em on a treadmill to power up the grid.
Or, just a thought, let Obama 'change' them by dumping trillions of fiat, wasted Washingtons in their laps while Rome burns....
Now, where did I leave my fiddle?
Found it.
Scrreeeeechhhh!
Take THAT you felonious fakers!
TS
I REALLY like Sparks idea !!
They stole from us [bailout] and are probably far from finished stealing
Chet
If everybody doesnt fulfill their pseudo obligations to these slave drivers I dont think they are going to be able to send in the guard to make everybody pay em. We got enough homeless people now does it make any sense for the state to make more people homeless paying these rip offs. How many empty houses do we need with homeless people on the streets before we give em the finger and tell em some times you win some times you lose.
Landlords could charge rent according to their costs to maintain the assets not what the interest criminals need to perpectuate this very old scam.
Obviously it will be difficult to get people to change their perception of our economic structures.
How much more wage slavery does one have to take before the realize they are in fact slaves.
They have recently made it a crime for chuysches in NY to take in the homeless.
Where will they go you may ask ?
They will be housed, along with dissenters in the FEMA internment.work camps they now have built...ready and waiting for "guests".
Regards...
Quote from: sparks on December 04, 2008, 09:40:22 PM
You want some economic stimulus. Take all mortgages and make them null and void. They didn't have the assets to make legal loans anyway so their acts were criminal. Who is gonna suffer from this. The guys that built the house have been paid. The guys that made the car have been paid. Lets move on and leave these shitbirds to jump out windows or whatever they do when they find out they are totally unproductive theiving con men. Jail em and put em on a treadmill to power up the grid.
Damn right Sparks, to hell with bankers and corporatism!
Hi folks, indeed the time has come to remove all those in all governments that help maintain this nearly world wide charade of the fake illusion of lack. Heck these same folks were dumping tons of food into rivers to create the illusion of food scarcity for whatever multi-faceted agenda they had going as all their dark deeds tend to be. Ultimately though its humanities future to do away with money and all similar tools that are used to enslave peoples. I must say this world certainly is not without its dramas, albeit all engineered to be so and completely fake. I'm really getting bored myself with all this survival fear garbage, it's not real, the universe only knows abundance. i just hope more folks awaken to this fact.
peace, love, light :)
i have a better idea.
we take ALL CURRENCY in the world, and throw it in incinerators.
to power our electric grids,
until we can build enough overunity wimhurst machines,
to sustain our needs (O-W-M devices).
except for the metal currencies.
which we melt down into fancy trinkets.
and lamps.
or something.
then, we implement a BARTER system.
a system discovered and mastered around circa 40,000 BC.
or something.
the barter system STOPS COLD, the accumulation of IMAGINARY WEALTH.
(AKA monopoly money).
with barter,
the maximum wealth is ONLY what one person is willing to sell a physical object for,
and ONLY what another person is willing to buy a physical object for.
only PHYSICAL OBJECTS that PEOPLE THINK ARE IMPORTANT, have any value.
such as food.
or clothing.
or building materials.
or books.
or jewelry.
or spices.
the only way to "accumulate" wealth,
would be to accumulate PHYSICAL goods.
but accumulating physical goods, has MAJOR fail safes.
which mercifully protect 95% of the populace, from the existance of "billionairs".
such as having only so much physical room, for storage.
or thieves stealing your excess from under your nose.
because rumor has got around, that you have 80 times more wealth,
than any human being could ever NEED.
or your physical goods gradually decomposing over time.
turning into depreciated garbage.
gemstones and "services provided by individuals", are grey area's.
but they are relatively safe, very acceptible grey area's.
WHICH ANY PERSON OFF THE STREET, MIGHT MAKE A LIVING FROM !!!!!!!!
*hint* *hint*
and finally.
the last and most important step.
shoot any ******* *******, who tries to create another currency system !
and hang his festering *** in the town center.
as a warning to anyone ELSE who wants to unleash CURRENCY-HELL, upon the earth!
In essence this newly proposed economic plan is a barter system.
Regards...
Hey Cap:
When the monetary shit hits the fan, that is exactly what will happen. People that
have no money will trade goods for goods, services for good, goods for services, etc.
A cord of wood will always be a cord of wood. Like shares of stock in a company. If
it goes under, its worthless paper. But at least you can start a fire with it, if you have
something to burn that is.
thaelin
employ a barter system... Spoken like someone who has never actually saved for anything in their life... Your barter system will fall flat on its face as there will be no tracability of transactions therefore no business will pre pay for anything so all international sale will end... Unless you think you can send a sea container full of chickens to the Ferrari plant for your new car? Also how will you repay any interest??? what will you borrow to barter for that chicken your family needs to eat to survive because your too damn lazy to do anything but sit on your butt... how will you pay for your electricity??? how will you pay for your internet??? chickens pigs and corn only pay for so much then it becomes decomposed rubbish... you will be spending all day down the market trying to "score a good deal" on selling your kids because you can't trade your crappy home made pots for food to feed them... Hmmm now we see your barter system falling to a halt... Currency is a universal bartering system that has no expiry date on your money. Best you stop channeling your efforts into blaming a standardization that is there to make your life easier as it is something that everyone knows of and get a second job or better yet some more qualifacations so you can earn more currency. Credit is your killer not currency...
I think a change of heart is what is really most needed, at local, national and globalized levels. The goods of the earth were created to be shared by all. Acquisition of wealth has become more important than making sure our neighbour at home or in a poor country has enough shelter, food and education. The current economic system is being run to the benefit of a minority. This fundamental flaw of greed is a festering wound that is consuming it, and its failure is imminent. Can we develop communities where the most vulnerable have an honoured place in our midst, and their dignity and needs are protected? If we can do this, perhaps we can avoid capitalism's destructive exhaltation of the individual (to the neglect of the common good) and communism's promotion of the collective (which crushes the dignity of the individual). Both systems only ever benefitted a minority. If and when the current economic system fails, will we be there to help one another through, and to call our politicians to re-build a more humane world? If enough of us believed this, perhaps even the most repressive system would not be able to restrain true human solidarity. But for this to happen, perhaps the stranglehold of the current greed-based economy needs to lose its grip on our individualized and divided lives. Can we be there for one another if and when it happens?
Social Viability? Guaranteed scam, if you ask me. The never-ending growth paradigm is a sham. Anyone who knows anything about complex systems, chaos theory and simple history knows this. Add in carrying capacity of the planet and that we are now in overshoot with THE lynch pin energy source at peak production as of now and you're looking at a whole lot of trouble.
We need a steady-state/barter economy built renewably with widely distributed systems, not hugely complex mega-systems that leave individuals hostage to TPTB. Power generation, food...
We also need to live in smaller groups and NEVER AGAIN give up our sovereignty. Every system that allows a few to rule the many always becomes a nightmare for the many. One person, one vote. If it's not worth my time to discuss with my neighbors and reach a decision, then it's not needed.
The federal government should be limited to EXACTLY what the Constitution says, and no standing army except in wartime. I have no problem with every citizen being trained, but it can be done via the Nat. Guard, and organized for war time quickly enough with plans always at the ready and command structures in place. But the vast majority of the soldiers should be home.
And this militia then is also ready for attacks from within, like BuCheney...
Etc.
Cheers
Quote from: Bob Smith on December 30, 2008, 07:40:56 AM
I think a change of heart is what is really most needed,
Bob
I agree .
Money is just a tool .
Like any tool it can be used either for good or bad.
The problem is not money the problem is greed ......our worship of money and power.
Our society teaches us in many ways that money is the way.
We are taught mostly by example to worship money.
Even our religions are more focused on money and power than on teaching about God.
So called primitive society's followed simple rules such as " the golden rule "
Today many young people don't even know what the golden rule is.
The rule of the day seems to be "do unto others before they do unto you ".
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Can we be there for one another if and when it happens?
As I see it at this point humanity is much to primitive to save itself
We have advanced technology in many areas but we are spiritual morons .
We will need a major spiritual awakening before we ( humanity ) is willing to work as a team to save itself
On the bright side. ..... that awakening is in progress.
One of the signs of it is that people are realizing that the religions that they trusted for their spiritual training are corrupt .
A saying made popular by the TV show X Files " the truth is out there" is not quite accurate in this case. The truth is there , but it is NOT out there.
The truth we need to find can only be found within your own heart .
What fills your heart with love and joy?
What gives you the greatest feeling of love?
What does it take to feel loved?
Answering questions like these will lead you to an understanding of love.
When you understand enough of how love works you will have arrived ad your own personal proof that God exists .
God is love . When you know enough about love .......you will know God.
gary