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Hello fellow researchers,

I've been re watching the Stan Meyers lectures and I noticed that in one of them he says the name of the person that invented the VIC for him. I couldn't hear because it was muffled.

I know by watching that Meyers did not have background in electrical theory. I believe he didn't have a clue as to how to conceive the VIC.

Again, does anybody know who he was working with. That person still has the knowledge of how to build the circuitry.

All that being said, I maintain that the chokes had a high Q or at least a high inductive reactance.

I'm not sure Meyers was ever truly schooled as to the multiplying effect of Q. Somebody around him knew, though.

BTW,
Keep your reactance up (more turns of wire, good core), your resistance low (larger gauge wire), and your self capacitance low (space your wires, opposite ends separate).

Your voltage across the capacitor will be voltage in times Q. (Radio inductors typically have Q's on the order of 100 to 800.)

May all your VIC's be high Q. ;)

I would like to add to the above in regards to the Stan Meyers lectures; when he says that when you hit the resonant frequency then the water "falls" apart, he is not talking about the resonant frequency of the water. He is talking about the resonant frequency of the VIC.

The VIC is a tuned circuit as talked about in radio theory. When you hit it at it's resonant frequency then the voltages within the VIC circuit are multiplied. Multiplied by what? The voltage is multiplied by that magic Q value.

I will say it again; It's not the resonant frequency of the water, it's the resonant frequency of the VIC.

Meyer used a mechanical resonator in his last cell and most likely a piezo in the first. That is where the fracture part came in.

The VIC was just a pulse forming network and the chokes were not equal and so you get a little snap back as the coils react differently. I suspect that is what he called rubber band effect. If you look at his toroid you have to say "Hey, that is a transformer designed to short out." Really? Look at how disruptive discharge coils were wound in the days of Tesla and before. That could also be the rubber band effect.

Also the cores are all gapped - most methods are marked with "Magnetic coupling" and I suspect that is what that means and would make sense to make the inductor a flyback since we are developing high voltage accelerator.

"Nobody ever thought of using an accelerator before" - Stan Meyer

That is my two cents worth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes

This is the "full engineering VIC"

Just look at the size of the injector , what if that coil was small enough to fit inside the injector itself ?

http://tesla3.com/energy/images/waterfuel_meyer_injector_length_video2.jpg


There is something about stainless steel wire and the scalar waves stuff bearden talks about.


http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=304

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd3UOM7is10

Quote from: MeltDown on December 11, 2008, 04:21:38 AM
The VIC was just a pulse forming network and the chokes were not equal and so you get a little snap back as the coils react differently.

I don't believe that is exactly how it is.

QuoteThe Inductor(C) takes on or becomes an Modulator Inductor which steps up an oscillation of an given charging frequency with the effective capacitance of an pulse-forming network in order to charge the voltage zones (E1/E2) to an higher potential beyond applied voltage input

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf)
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A pulse-forming network looks like
http://www.gaep.com/images/pfnabc.gif (http://www.gaep.com/images/pfnabc.gif)

Which is exactly what the self capacitance of an inductor looks like.
http://www.w8ji.com/Image1/spice_1.jpg (http://www.w8ji.com/Image1/spice_1.jpg)
or
http://williamson-labs.com/images/decou.gif (http://williamson-labs.com/images/decou.gif)

So the self capacitance of the inductor is similar to the effective capacitance of an pulse-forming network. That is to say that the coil its self behaves similar to a pulse-forming network. Unfortunately, self capacitance in a coil creates loss and serves to reduce the inductive reactance.

QuoteThe Inductor(C) takes on or becomes an Modulator Inductor...

How does it do that? How does it modulate i.e. change the oscillation?

QuoteThe current through either the inductor or capacitor at resonance is Q times the net line current. In series resonant circuits, the voltage across either the inductor or capacitor is equal to Q times the net voltage across the complete circuit.

_{page 487 "Elements of Radio 3rd edition" by Abraham Marcus & William Marcus 1953}



Loss is bad
http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Tutorial/images/tune04.gif (http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Tutorial/images/tune04.gif)

QuoteMore formally, Q is the ration of power stored to power dissipated in the circuit reactance and resistance, respectively

http://electronics-electrical-engineering.blogspot.com/2008/09/q-and-bandwidth-of-resonant-circuit.html (http://electronics-electrical-engineering.blogspot.com/2008/09/q-and-bandwidth-of-resonant-circuit.html)



Quality is good
http://physics-animations.com/sensors/bfreq.gif (http://physics-animations.com/sensors/bfreq.gif)


That is how the signal is modulated. It is increased in intensity.

That is why he called it the "Voltage Intensifier Circuit."


Q and bandwidth of a resonant circuit RESONANCE
http://electronics-electrical-engineering.blogspot.com/2008/09/q-and-bandwidth-of-resonant-circuit.html (http://electronics-electrical-engineering.blogspot.com/2008/09/q-and-bandwidth-of-resonant-circuit.html)

Why not summarize these links into a single post?

Make free energy a possibility instead of a cryptographic scheme.

-infringer-

Are you somekind of bonehead ? 

Thinking Stan Meyers didn`t understand exactly what he was doing... He and his brother invented everything from A to Z

Dont you think about 5000 people tried and you tried and tought what you tought ? Where are they now ?

It has nothing to do with Q , it has to do with this special resonating VIC , dont you listen to the videos ?

What if The chokes were non-inductive wound? Since the cell is a very leaky capacitor, would it not make sense to add capacitance to the circuit? I can step charge normal caps all day, but it's not that easy to do with a water cell. If a coil has a large amount of capacitance, will it not act like a capacitor and step charge?

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Very interesting! Tesla's DC resonant charging circuit... Funny thing, I have this little "shake-up" flash light and it has a VIC in it. Whats nice about the flash light is that you can see the step charging effect as the LED gets brighter the more you shake it. No batteries at all and yet it can hold a charge for at least 10 minutes.

Hi guys
I’ve watched a few of the Stan Meyer videos, and he was clearly a religious person. I’ve heard him say on one vid that "the Lord then had me developed what we call the VIC circuit" or something to that effect. I think that some of Stan’s technical terminology was messed up. Having said that the more I research the more I find it is correct. The processes he was working on draws together many areas of science and technology which are often unrelated. He’s using pulsed DC. that unusual to start with! then throw in RF, resonant circuits, tuned LC circuits, physical chemistry etc.. There is a lot of cross over! Throw in the religious type of rhetoric and it gets real messy
Anyway, took me a long time to come to the same conclusion as you AngeryScientist, i think. This is pane in his notes. He’s using an LC circuit.  Matching the inductance and capacitance. Where the water is a dielectric medium and acts as a capacitor. Work out the capacitance of the cell/tubes (using the dielectric value of the water about 80), match the inductance. Punch the figures into the equation and get the resonant frequency or frequency to pulse the DC. The theoretical frequency will probably be a bit lower or higher than the actual.

good example of this calculator is http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=22188
This equation is in stans notes

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