Hey buddy, do you have any spare change I can believe in?.... No! now get away from me you bum....besides I couldn't share my credits with you if I wanted to, you don't even have a New World ID No.
http://rense.com/general84/pers.htm
What is the answer here? Where can freedom from tyranny truly be found?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/Roncesvalles/christ-unbuilding.jpg
He knocked on the doors to their hearts and they would not let Him in.....
TS
Maybe if he'd work a miracle or two, he'd get a better reception.
Here's one for starters: Every day, on this planet, something like 25,000 children die of malnutrition and parasitism and malaria and other completely preventable problems. Just think, if Jesus stopped that carnage for just a single week--would he be refused then? I don't think so.
But for some strange reason, he won't do it. Why not?
Could it be that he doesn't exist?
No, that makes too much sense. There must be another reason, after all--God works in mysterious ways, even while he's allowing all those children to die miserable deaths.
Topic: Change you can believe in......?
I read politics…
I read religion…
Am I in the wrong place?!
Oh, I see: it’s in the “Newsâ€!
Well good folks, yesterday I bought myself a pair of shoes and some underwear (new, hopefully)…
So, is it news or what? ;D
Shall I continue the story?!
Cheers,
Tinu
Governments can stay in power if…
1. They can continue to deceive most of the people.
2. They can very gradually reduce human liberty.
3. They have a method to steal the people’s assets without hostile awareness over a long period of time with inflation and income tax.
The key to government power is gradualism. Anything can be accomplished over a long period of time. People accept their conditioning no matter what it is.
I have found that the very first step toward awareness is to become suspect of all politicians.
I want to give you a list of things and thoughts that all governments today want and are skillfully maneuvering for, especially in the United States and the United Kingdom. There is no particular order or priority.
1.Make Christianity just “another religion.â€
2.Mongrelize religions into a New World Order brotherhood of man and “love.â€
3. Group control vs. individualism or individualism vs. “the greater good.â€
4. “Same sex marriages,†an expression of sodomy.
5. Thought and language control.
6. Feminization of males.
7. Wide promotion of the contradictory term Judeo-Christian.
8. Absolute medical control.
9. Book burning to erase truths from the public mind/mind control.
10. Multiculturalism.
11. British Israelismâ€"Zionism under a Christian front.
12.Use of Patriotism as a front for increasing control of the American people.
13.Organized religion a tool of the system.
14. No-win wars/control all sides.
15. Public education to control the public mind.
16. Military industrial complex is part of the fascist state.
17. Destruction of the family unitâ€"transfer children to the state defacto.
18. Racial mongrelization.
19. Euthanasia to limit aging population, except for the elite.
20. Gradually destroy the Social Security system.
21. Keep the public from preserving their savings with propaganda against gold and silver.
22. Abortion/murder of the unborn as birth control.
23. Synthetic vitamins as chemical food.
24. Wage wars perpetually.
25. Paper money to enslave and steal the savings of the middle class.
26. Reduce and destroy the middle class.
27. Illegal immigration.
28. Free love.
29. Promote drugs (legal and illegal) and criminality.
30. Commercial food processors to manufacture and sell synthetic foodless foods.
31. Mass immunization and inoculations.
32. Kill inheritances.
33. Propaganda on every subject originated by the state.
34. Use of created myths and counter myths to confuse the people.
35. Dumb down the population with public education.
36. International New World Order.
37. Wide use of the word “democracy†to cover for state fascismâ€"same as Nazi Germany.
38. Gun control for non-criminals.
39. Secret societies.
40. Medication of water and food with legalized food poison like chlorine and aspartame.
41. Destroy Christian morality and the Ten Commandments so the people don’t know right from wrong.
42. Confiscate real property with taxes.
43. Control agriculture by creating agri-farms using hybrid seeds.
44. Use herbicides, pesticides, etc. to kill the land and cause estrogen dominance (cancer).
45. Democrat/Republicanâ€"uniparty.
46. Create obsession with sports and Hollywood frivolity.
47. Mass litigation to funnel wealth to a privileged society who hold titles of nobility, namely lawyers.
48. Control all local and state police with secret societies.
49.Promote obesity and diabetes through soft drinks made from high fructose corn syrup… placing vending machines in public schools and businesses.
50. Destruction of respect for human life and silent promotion of pedophilia.
My friends, this long list tells you what governments and their politicians want. Most is already accomplished. Just look around and you will see it.
@PScience
You were making a lot of good points, but to be honest I stopped reading when I reached the homophobe part.
If you stand back and are able to take an objective look at thingge, you will find that you are actually passing judgment(judge not...remember) on a segment of society...based entirely on an idea passed to you through the very same conditioning processes you described in your post.
Have you not noticed that animals("God's creatures") engage in homosexual activity ?
If it occurs in nature, by definition that makes it natural.
In other words, you are losing the crowd when you discriminate.
I really find it hard to figure out why people still fall for that game.
No disrespect intended...its just that you seem to have it all pretty well figured out - except for the full scope vision of the religious aspect of the grand deception...yet you are still hung up on the gay issue.
Don't forget, there is evidence (no text that I know of) that humanity has risen and self destructed a number of times before our rise...meaning the people who birthed the gay bashing were just "men" who claimed they spoke to God.
I can think of many phony televangelists running the same game today.
Luckily, I never openly expressed my anti gay feelings before I over came my anti gay programming.
I am a recovering cathoholic...I did it - so can you.
Regards...
Sodomy is expressly forbidden by God. Christ Himself warns that the destruction to come in among those today, who have the former example of Sodom, will be worse than at Sodom.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm
Make no mistake, one will not be excused for following the natural "law of the animals" no more than for breaking Yahweh's righteous and reasonable ones.
For those who TRULY wish to better understand God's ways and why He allows, for a time, the things He allows......
http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/kingdom/twohands/twohandsof.html
Blessings in Yeshua be upon you, dear readers,
TS
I am not one to engage in conversations about religion as per my own point of view on the matter but i think i should atleast share some thoughts with you.
1. As an indervidual Humans are intelligent we can break down arguements and make a point of view decision. As a group (society) we are lemmings if someone ask us a question and there is a recognisable answer that is "plain and simple" that is our answer and we will stick to it, blindly sometimes.
2. the basis of 99.9% of religions as a core. Convince your masses that they are confused, with non-specific rights and wrongs. And multiple stories with no real meaning, tell them that an entity who they can not converse with on a communicative level (praying and then recieving a "sign" is not a conversation unless the sign is him sitting next to going "yes bob i agree") has all the answers but they will never meet them and they require and undying devotion. Then tell the masses that you know the way and they should follow you. Its how all religions have started and how all of them operate. Its a disgrace... the scary thing is goverent has mirrored this model and it works well.
3. What are taxes. When you break it down every tax should be able to have a purpose. And everyone that receives an income from such taxes should be accountable for it. "Goverments should be afraid of their people not people afraid of their goverments" - V.
4. Your pro religion point of view of the wrongs of goverments is amusing since the christian church is promoting unsafe sex in 3rd world countries spreading STDs to its populace at an alarming rate.
5. The combination of cultures in the world is a good thing that spreads acceptance and tollerance for people differences. If you think this is bad throw away everything you own that wasn't made by someone in your "culture" and is your "race".
6. If we can all come together as a society that nutures and encourages out of the box thinking where information is free and widely dispursed. (as a side note if people who don't have proof of anything tangible they should be quiet BTW) Think of the accomplishments that could be made. Look at these forums. People are making leaps and bounds in discoverys by sharing information they find in their hobbies.
7. You goverment consiparcy to make everyone fat and diabetic by putting soda machines in schools and synthesized nutritional suppliments... if people didn't buy them they wouldn't sell them. you live in a capitalist society. People will see a market and they will sell to the market in order to make money. Welcome to capitolism!!!
8. Money is not here to corrupt you. It is simply an upgrade on the barter system. It is called standardisation. The value of everything and i mean everything fluctuates on the supply and demand model in localized regions.
And lastly, the world is not perfect, never will be. It is also not fair, NEVER CAN BE. Stop your winging and get on with it. Religion is there because people feel they need something bigger than themselves to believe in!!! If you need that thats fine believe in whatever you want. Deep down you know what is right and wrong, Its deeper down in some then others. but we all have it in there.
My PERSONAL OPINION , is that you are a confused person who feels they need someone to blame for something. Everything if you can. Just so you don't feel so responsible. Hopefully one day you'll figure out that in this world it is your decisions that make you who you are. Not who you follow or who you know. They can help you sometimes, They can hold you back sometimes but its not who you are. Its what you decide to do!!!
"This world is not fair. Infact it is unfair and that is a good thing"
I find the bible and other such books confusing.
For example...how many slaves per person does the bible allow...and does the ban on sodomizing also include your slaves ?
Regards...
lol... only if you do it like they do on the discovery channel!!!
QuoteI find the bible and other such books confusing.
For example...how many slaves per person does the bible allow...and does the ban on sodomizing also include your slaves ?
Ahh, I may see your difficulty, perhaps your thinking has been influenced by the babylonian talmud?.....
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
Slaves, or indentured servants is what we all are. One submits his or herself to the dictates of an employer in return for pay.....We may choose to serve only our selves, and selfish interests, serve the needs of our fellow man, serve the whims and dictates of the wicked one......
Or, choosing, wisely, to serve Yahweh through Yeshua, Jesus Christ, which requires one to respect His Righteous statutes, which are not burdensome.
Christ summed it up thusly,
“You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, and with all your mind†(Deuteronomy 6:5). “This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Leviticus 19:18). - Yeshua, Jesus Christ.
http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/772/Greatest_Commandment.html
Of course, one is free to speak/act like the lower animals, thus submitting to the devil's agenda of arrested development regarding mankind....
But it will only lead to much sorrow.
Blessings be upon you dear readers in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,
TS
And thats another thing...how the hell did the devil manage to get god's creatures butt bumping each other and randy rams rump ramming each other ?
Nobody seems to have an answer for that.
Regards...
When you start talking about slavery and christ... are angels not the servents of god? so if slavery is wrong shouldn't the almighty lead by example? or is he above that? This thread is going to turn into a religous bash with people defending their beliefs, as they should be alowd to, if we are not careful. I have but one request and i think if it is not a rule it should be of the forums (i'm sorry if it seems like i am trying to but in but i'm just putting forwward) Blessing people is fine but using yours or someone elses religion to prove or disprove something is irrelevant. Not everyone believes the same thing, and people are entitled to believe whatever they want. A lot of formus have banned religious comments except for blessing or notations of good luck that refernce a religious figure. But reference deflamations and preaching have been banned... Might be a thought since this is meant to be a scientific forum not a "my god beats your god with my holy wrath level 10 spell".
- If your god is so almighty and so powerful why does your church rely on mandatory donations? And why do the other patrons of your church make you feel bad for not putting any money in the collection plate? just a thought but i won't be posting on religion anymore.
Actually, CrazyEwok, I don't attend an organized church.
"Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I am there also." - Yeshua, Jesus Christ.
Slavery's gotten a bad rap by the way men treat one another. "man dominates his fellow man to his own injury".
Anyone who puts others before self is in effect, slaving for, or serving those individuals. As Christ said, "the foremost among you must be your servant." I direct contrast to the way man runs the governments of the world.
I for one, am thankful that Stefan sees beyond 'science'.....He himself asks all serious visitors to his site, the question:
"How can we live without the truth?"
Some truths are greater than others.....and it's been my privileged experience that the Greatest truths come from Yahweh, through Yeshua, Jesus Christ.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/the-case-for-christ.htm
I agree that often public forums descend into chaos due to unchecked emotion.....However, in an increasingly, (as unfortunate as it is) disposable society such as ours, it becomes easier to simply avoid looking at the verbal meanderings of those with whom we disagree. As Yahweh is at this time, pouring out His spirit upon all flesh, The questions, "Is this person attempting to communicate with me because he or she truly cares about me?" And, "Am I attempting to communicate with this person because I truly care about him or her?" Are becoming easier questions with which to logically contend.
"My spirit will not contend with man forever" - Yahweh, Almighty God
Blessings in Christ,
TS
Dear God:
I can't remember the last time we spoke...not being a televangelist and all :).
The reason for this letter is the bible...I know you are probably tired of hearing about all the ambiguities, editing, and omissions...but there is one big elephannt in the corner of the bible study hall down here - and people are beginning to notice the smell.
In other words...whats with all the animal sodomy going on down here - 'cause according to the bible you said its a big no no ?
That would be same as the Devil jabbing his fork in your butt.
I'm thinking somebody tried to put words in your mouth on this one.
Your earliest attention to the resolution to this quandary is desperately needed...as there's a lot of gay guys down here scooping up all the women on us single guys.
This may call for the sudden appearance of a 'lost chapter' revealing that the last supper took place in a bath house.
I must go back and review the Ten Commandments.
By the way...thanks for the timely divine intervention along the way.
See you in the here after...
A lightning rod of a statement you make CZ......
God bless your heart.
He does love you. But there's love, and then there's tough love.
Some, at least on some level, seem to prefer the latter.
Blessings in Yeshua,
TS
Does your god love all those children who starve to death or die from parasites or malaria or the results of warfare, every day?
Do you love them?
Do they deserve "tough love"?
Do you?
Have you had a homeless person over to your home to share dinner with your family lately?
What would Yeshua do?
I tried the INvite the homeless to dinner thing
They don't like to leave!!
Chet
Why does God allow suffering?
http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/kingdom/twohands/twohandsof.html
http://www.christadelphia.org/pamphlet/sufferng.htm
Why does mankind continually appoint rulers that not only allow it, but encourage it?
It is easy to mock, judge, what we do not fully understand. Even easier when we haven't a clue.
Why does the U.S. spend Billions to massacre over a million people an ocean away, when we have millions of homeless and needy here at home? All at the behest of a nation whose societal instruction manual reads like the devil's own bible?
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
All one need do is deny God's existence and the responsiblity for the entire world suffering scenario falls on man's own head.
Yet, the prophecies of the Holy Bible are being fulfilled to the letter and right on schedule. His promise that human suffering is nearing it's appointed end, I believe, will be fulfilled, just as the rest have, are, and will.
In the end, it is shown that all of us, to widely varying degree, actively worship someone or something. The worldwide network of devil worshippers prophecied to be in power at this time, expect it will be they who finally receive the entire world's devotion.
I believe I've more than met any reasonable burden of proof that man ends up dominating his fellow man to his own injury.....many examples of his brand of 'wisdom' being employed to bring havoc and ruination to the planet in myriad ways, so I won't rehash it again here.
So, who does it fall upon to save the earth? Man, devil, or God? It has been cyclically demonstrated in larger and larger circles....that man has just the right ratio of wisdom to hubris to have finally reached his biggest precipice. Having thoroughly discredited himself as a viable custodian for our world.....That leaves Yahweh or lucifer.
Choose wisely, for the spirit of God will not contend with man forever.....
"And I will bring to ruin, those ruining My Earth." -- Yahweh Almighty God
Blessings be upon you, dear readers, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
TS