Hi everyone, and happy new year!
New user here ;) I have read this forum for some time and finally I decided to register to join the TPU discussion. I have read some documents describing TPU functionality, and "TPU, end the game" is one of them.
So, let me disagree. Here is the basic explanation from tao:
QuoteHere is a broad and very general overview of how the TPU would look.
http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/endgame/kick1.gif
http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/endgame/kick2.gif
As I can guess, tao refers to "EMF of self inductance" which is commonly used in some ignition coils to get high voltage from low-voltage power supply. Because EMF of SI can have much greater voltage than original Power Supply. Its voltage is directly proportional to coil's inductance.
The basic formula describing self-inductance is E = L * dI / dt. So when the current grows up, the SI voltage will be opposite to PS voltage as shown on 1st image. And this is correct. Magnetic field being built around the coil and it sucking the energy from Power Supply.
But when the current drops down, the SI voltage will have SIMILAR direction to a PS. So the magnetic field which have been built around the coil, is collapsing and sending spent energy back to the source.
So the "Step 2" description on 2nd figure is wrong. And 60% of descriptions after that fig are also wrong. Current in a collector can not be DC in this way.
Just because original KICK from PS causes HV in one direction, and the next KICK from SI effect causes HV in other direction.
PS - Power Supply
SI - Self Inductance
HV - High Voltage
Dont become depressed. Patience patience patience, it will all come out in due time. I have been on this trip for 35 years logged more hours then could ever be paid for. Learned enough to keep going on searching for the one thing. Patience ,there is much to contemplate above and beyond the trick itself.
I dont become depressed :) I just say that it can work in a different way than described by tao. (btw, is this not joke that it worls? lol)
tao principle are right just before mistake described above. all following described principles are originated from mistake, so I give 99% them to be wrong.
While the topic "TPU, end the game" is sticky and new users read it, they can be mislead from the beginning.
PS. Is there any other variant of TPU working principles? I think I completely understand trick with small coil, pulse PS and lamp wire instead of core. But this mobuis loop with double wire driving me nuts lol. What point in it? :) Where to read about that? Of course, i will do expirements, but want to understand basic things before.
Quote from: sergeb on January 01, 2009, 09:12:16 AM
Is there any other variant of TPU working principles? I think I completely understand trick with small coil...
There are no known working versions of the TPU that anyone knows about.
There are many people who
think they know how it works.
Have you joined to add to the confusion?
The one thing I have joined is the discussion ;)
Even if this "TPU success" is a tale, there is at least one very interesting point - there is no mutual induction in collector and C-coils. And this seems to be true. And this is what really interested me.
Other interesting thing - current induction in collector do not use magnetic field directly as it used in most transformers (that is why no mutual inductance). It uses electrical field to induct the current. Magnetic field around the control coil only interfere and causing collector particles to swirl (according to Lorentz force).
i think how to exploit it. But all public TPU schemes with mobius loop are obscure for me :(
Quote from: AhuraMazda on January 01, 2009, 10:22:40 AM
There are no known working versions of the TPU that anyone knows about.
There are many people who think they know how it works.
Have you joined to add to the confusion?
I would like to correct you."There are no known working versions of the TPU in the public domain or people willing to talk about them" available to ask questions about it. Even that is wrongly stated if SM hyjacked another inventors work from an old patent and simply changed the way it looked. Which by todays standards is a excepted practice ,still that is completely devoid of a morals regardless of how often it is done.
Hey guys, i have an idea here.
I think there is no need in magnetic field around the collector at all. It just causes particles swirling and parasite Foucault currents in the collector.
Since we need just Back EMF to induct a current in a collector, we dont need the collector being inside a control coils.
I think we need to close the magnetic field into ferrite core to do not allow it to walk around the room. Also ferrite core can gain higher coil inductance - and higher back EMF.
So... I advice to place CCs outside a ring with a core inside. Also conect two conductors to coil's endings and place them where the coils previously were in the ring - so they will rise a potential difference in a collector as it should be.
Many less noise, many less losses expected.
Quote from: sergeb on January 01, 2009, 12:22:01 PM
So... I advice to place CCs outside a ring with a core inside. Also connect two conductors to coil's endings and place them where the coils previously were in the ring - so they will rise a potential difference in a collector as it should be.
Hi,
The CCs on the placed onto a ring core I get it, but I do not understand your last sentence how you mean to place the two conductors. Would you sketch it by even your hand in Windows Paint?
thanks, Gyula
ahm, I think you should read the words from SM first before you invent the TPU a second time.
A.
Here we go again...
Happy New Year to everyone.
Quote from: Loner on January 01, 2009, 07:26:19 PM
Grumpy, I offer a "Happy New Year" and a profuse apology.
I was unaware that the reverse concept was already out there. My Bad.
I assure you, it will never be mentioned by me again, results or not.
Reverse concept? Anyone can say whatever they want.
IM GONNA SAY IT 1 MORE TIME ....
i cracked this toy MANY TIMES .....
now call it what it is for the last dam time HEMF
btw THANKS GRUMPY.... ;)
get on the same page ALREADY ... OR IM GONNA LEAVE YOU ALL IN DUST.... :)
ist!!
last chance....
understand the jt then the cam flash unit then the mot .. then the 369 of teslas then hot and cold power and rythmic interchange....
i could litterly go on for ever but i WONT
@IS
What do you gain by just telling people about your achievements and your fantastic discoveries but not showing anything?
As it is said: "you shall recognize them by their fruits".
let me ask you what have i not showen i have showen all im working with ....
i have given many layouts and provided many ways to achive your goal ...
i got sick of winding coils and went with a transformer ;)
thanks erfinder :)
ist!
Quote from: innovation_station on January 02, 2009, 09:13:07 AM
let me ask you what have i not showen i have showen all im working with ....
i have given many layouts and provided many ways to achive your goal ...
i got sick of winding coils and went with a transformer ;)
thanks erfinder :)
ist!
What is "HEMF"?
i really HOPE YOUR KIDDING ME GRUMPY!!!!!
hemf = HIGH ELECTRO MOTIVE FORCE.....
this effect can be seen when you have ballance..... ;)
i leave it there
FIGURE IT OUT ...... I GOT GRADE 9 AND 2 CREDITS OF GRADE 10 :P :P :P AND I DID IT ::)
IST!
HEMF ? HIT ENTER MIT FINGER. ;D
I thought HEMF meant "Highly Elevated Middle Finger" - as in I_S making a funny, but he just means high voltage.
happy new year
nothing new around here
but how knows if someone will pop-up like mister Durban
cyrstalradio and turbine effect ?
i have wondering about that long time
i read somewhere mister moray was using these whoosh whoosh freq in his machine and he say "you have but something back to get more energy"?
so was moray taking about turbine effect ?
simple antenna what is picking weird cosmic freq and make little delay and send the back antenna
okey whatta fuck i know
just speaking shit
bye
Quote from: Grumpy on January 02, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
I thought HEMF meant "Highly Elevated Middle Finger" - as in I_S making a funny, but he just means high voltage.
HAHA lol
You got a point, Grumpy
A.
Well there are only 5 choices when you have it.
1.) Dead by extraction.
2.) Dead by demolition.
3.) Way far away. Like in another universe.
4.) Still on the bench.
5.) Here at Overunity.
I like option 4. I am still trying to figure out time travel by producing sparks off a transformer. I am confused. :-[
I know! Strap a box of flexible copper tubing on the back of your vehicle. Inductively hook it to the main of your ignition coil.
Now watch the guy behind you try to move when you flip him off. :D Now there is your time travel. You'll be doing time somewhere else when the authorities ship your ass to the big concrete block!
--giantkiller.
@ everybody
I always see this.
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L however by virtue of its self induction offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......nope not my words lo l!! !!!
is this the solution in our TPU dream?
otit
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on January 07, 2009, 02:15:17 AM
@ everybody
I always see this.
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L however by virtue of its self induction offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......nope not my words lo l!! !!!
is this the solution in our TPU dream?
otit
Hi Tito
The paragraph above is from Tesla's # 462,418 patent "Method of and apparatus for electical conversion and distribution dated Nov 3, 1891."
I'm not sure if it's the "solution in our TPU dream" but it certainly is an interesting patent as are most of Tesla's patents :)
Regards,
Paul
I think Tesla in this statement was telling us that a capacitor will charge no matter what the duty cycle of the pulse. So a number of very high amplitude low duty cyle dc pulses will charge the capacitor but not the inductor. He also states in this patent that "time is gained" by this configuration. The capacitor rises in charge until the inductor gets it's shit together at which point it discharges the capacitor. The inductor has alot of charge carriers in it's mass which opposes the change or polarization of the electric field through it's mass. Wheras the capacitor creates an electric field polarization quite easily without loss of time due to the relative lack of mass between the plates.