Hi guys I'm posting my idea. I think this works;if someone build this please let me know. I will do this in the future.
Thanks
Quote from: guruji on January 19, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
Hi guys I'm posting my idea. I think this works;if someone build this please let me know. I will do this in the future.
Thanks
Greetings guruji
This design has had several reincarnations and has not worked. You will need something else to move a slide weight device. Here is one I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz7cZ6Z7e_A&feature=channel_page
Keep the mind going for you will do many ideas on what may work. It is the order of things, and most of us agree the search is perpetual.
Hi AB Hammer thanks for your reply. Can you please post that design of yours cause it cannot be seen on the video?.
You said that one need something else to move a slide. I think that's because of alot of friction.
Maybe if one use certain slides of those used in drawers maybe it would be efficiently good.
There are slides with bearings in them. These too should do the job.
One should do the weights of certain size to the wheel I think to keep going.
OK let's keep on experimentng truth will be found. :)
Bye bye.
Quote from: guruji on January 22, 2009, 06:54:20 AM
Hi AB Hammer thanks for your reply. Can you please post that design of yours cause it cannot be seen on the video?.
You said that one need something else to move a slide. I think that's because of alot of friction.
Maybe if one use certain slides of those used in drawers maybe it would be efficiently good.
There are slides with bearings in them. These too should do the job.
One should do the weights of certain size to the wheel I think to keep going.
OK let's keep on experimentng truth will be found. :)
Bye bye.
Well here is a closeup photo of part of the device which should help you. But I will tell you it will only help with slide design for it is a non runner in that form. I have done sever shifter types for this slide unit and I have more to try. Also the problem with cams are that that the friction I speak of is the amount of weight trying to use the cam to lift itself. Not saying cams cant be useful, but you have to understand what your need are and where they may truly work best.
I'll just step in here with my usual reminder that Gravity Wheels cannot work, on first principles. It's sort of like trying to add 3 plus 3 and expecting, someday, if only I do it enough, or with apples instead of oranges, I will someday get 7 as the answer.
It's painfully clear, especially from the above posts, that creative and intelligent and highly skilled people are just wasting time, money, effort, and creative juices on these attempts, that have no hope at all of succeeding.
That's all--I won't bother the gravity wheel folks any more, but it sure seems like a powerful waste to me. But it's your time and money, you can do with it what you want to, of course.
Carry on---
--TK
Hi AB Hammer I'm trying to understand that wheel cause it's a bit complicated. I'm seeing that the weight is very small according to the wheel. Try increase weight and lessen slide distance. Do not let it go fast cause centrifugal force would be a against pepretual force.
It will work. Hope and perseverance makes experimenters succeed.
Tinselkoala there are working ones. See on youtube there are people who build these.
Keep going guys in experiments
"Tinselkoala there are working ones. See on youtube there are people who build these."
By "working" I assume you mean that in the usually understood sense: The wheel turns on its own, without being powered by anything other than gravity and/or permanent magnets, until stopped by some outside force or interference.
I deny that this is true. There are no, nor have there been, any working gravity wheels.
If you think otherwise, please provide a link to a YT video, or any other link, that shows such a device working.
I tried to stay away, but I will not allow claims like this to be made without challenges.
Please, PROVE ME WRONG by showing a working gravity wheel.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 22, 2009, 12:14:53 PM
I'll just step in here with my usual reminder that Gravity Wheels cannot work, on first principles. It's sort of like trying to add 3 plus 3 and expecting, someday, if only I do it enough, or with apples instead of oranges, I will someday get 7 as the answer.
It's painfully clear, especially from the above posts, that creative and intelligent and highly skilled people are just wasting time, money, effort, and creative juices on these attempts, that have no hope at all of succeeding.
That's all--I won't bother the gravity wheel folks any more, but it sure seems like a powerful waste to me. But it's your time and money, you can do with it what you want to, of course.
Carry on---
--TK
TinselKoala
Everybody is due there opinion, but you need to see the one I am working on a timing device. With just a little manual timing it runs around 200 rpm and when it hits that I can't hold on no more. So if I can solve this problem, it is a done deal. ;D
This one won't be on the net anytime soon.
Quote from: guruji on January 22, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
Hi AB Hammer I'm trying to understand that wheel cause it's a bit complicated. I'm seeing that the weight is very small according to the wheel. Try increase weight and lessen slide distance. Do not let it go fast cause centrifugal force would be a against pepretual force.
It will work. Hope and perseverance makes experimenters succeed.
Tinselkoala there are working ones. See on youtube there are people who build these.
Keep going guys in experiments
guruji
The one shown has several variations. But at this time there are no official running wheels, but there are a couple anomalies that you need to take note of. Also there are some that use outside energy to make them run. The rule is that it has to run on its own without outside energy.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 22, 2009, 04:03:58 PM
I deny that this is true. There are no, nor have there been, any working gravity wheels....
Fair enough.
Then, why don't you go away and leave this thread
for people who want to push forward the frontier.
A gravity wheel that is impressive invention how to use that man?
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Quote from: Paul-R on January 23, 2009, 09:46:42 AM
Fair enough.
Then, why don't you go away and leave this thread
for people who want to push forward the frontier.
Paul, I am tired of your trolling and attacking me in every thread where I ask for people to prove their statements. Push forward the frontiers all you want, but if somebody says "there are working wheels", as above, I want proof. You don't seem to. Fine.
Who has the intelligence of a pack of biscuits? Someone who wants proof of incredible earthshaking claims, or someone who accepts them uncritically?
I hate to see creative and intelligent people wasting their time. PaulR loves it. Fine. At least it keeps you out of trouble and off the streets.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 23, 2009, 10:30:03 AM
Paul, I am tired of your trolling and attacking me in every thread where I ask for people to prove their statements. Push forward the frontiers all you want, but if somebody says "there are working wheels", as above, I want proof. You don't seem to. Fine.
Who has the intelligence of a pack of biscuits? Someone who wants proof of incredible earthshaking claims, or someone who accepts them uncritically?
I hate to see creative and intelligent people wasting their time. PaulR loves it. Fine. At least it keeps you out of trouble and off the streets.
TinselKoala
I don't care if you want to post. Everybody has a wright to express but I do wish more detail in rebuttal than you are breaking the laws of physics. You need to show why that weight or movement cant happen. That would be more constructive for everyone.
PaulR
keep posting but ask people like TinselKoala to show us why and how we are breaking these so called physical laws. The base like of (you can not change the laws of physics), is a bit overused without why. But I do like it when Scotti on Star Trek say it.
Tinselkoala look at this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyvX9j5i3U&feature=related
I know that still I'm not going to convince you cause certain skeptics even when seeing the truth their mind still keep doubting.
This is a state of mind that is not good man cause it blocks the creative energy in us. One has to try and prove for himself and when seeing results don't doubt them.
Build a bedini it's a small project but it's interesting.
Ok keep truckin guys for OU.
Bye.
@Tinselkoala,
using centrifugal or centripetal forces,
it should be possible to get a gravity wheel to work.
Quote from: AB Hammer on January 23, 2009, 01:50:33 PM
PaulR
keep posting but ask people like TinselKoala to show us why and how we are breaking these so called physical laws. The base like of (you can not change the laws of physics), is a bit overused without why. But I do like it when Scotti on Star Trek say it.
There is a fine line between helping people by pointing out imperfections in their thinking or scientific technique, and, on the other hand, discouraging people from continuing on and solving problems.
Laws of physics are not being broken. They are being shown to be incomplete.
For instance, the Law of Conservation of Energy is O.K. if all froms of energy are taken into account. The trouble is that "all forms of energy" must include forms of energy not well understood or even not known about (viz: Lee and Yang, Nobel Physics prize winners, 1957).
This last condition tends to make the L of C E next to useless in the environment of this web site.
There is more to gravity than appears on the surface and in text books.
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on January 24, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
There is a fine line between helping people by pointing out imperfections in their thinking or scientific technique, and, on the other hand, discouraging people from continuing on and solving problems.
Laws of physics are not being broken. They are being shown to be incomplete.
For instance, the Law of Conservation of Energy is O.K. if all froms of energy are taken into account. The trouble is that "all forms of energy" must include forms of energy not well understood or even not known about (viz: Lee and Yang, Nobel Physics prize winners, 1957).
This last condition tends to make the L of C E next to useless in the environment of this web site.
There is more to gravity than appears on the surface and in text books.
Paul.
Greetings Paul
Here is a little more fuel for the fire. I am sure you will like it.
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We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.
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Hi guys in the past people thought that machines cannot go beyond the speed of the horse. They laughed at those people who tried.
It's always the same type of minds but as we know today we achieved about six times more speed or more.
So there are always explorations on what we think that is the most.
Thanks
Bye bye