http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteGroup
See Pseudo Solid Rotator # 1, # 2, and # 3
We are still trying to get the # 1 video uploaded, but are having trouble.
Also see attached file. It's a rotary layout of the principle designed by group member Nicolas.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Thinking that further...
If the circular rail is a wide thread and the rotor magnets are fitting nuts,
it should auto-rotate? A matter of translating the rotation into forward-motion.
How far have the magnets to move sideways in order to leave the stator completely?
Im not shure about the friction of a thread which is making that needed distance in
a 90 degrees turn, but the principle looks sweet. Especially by thinking of more stators.
I always like the ideas of moving magnets tangential into stator-fields in order
to get the axial force and this is another nice example of this principle.
chears.
@ All,
These videos of this device are the real deal. I personally have examined
this device in Butch's office at his home this afternoon. During several attempts,
I achieved the same exact results as in the video. What is needed now are
suitable mechanical couplings to convert the mechanical force into a usable
mechanical or electrical output. Venture capitalists/Investors are needed to fully
develop this concept. Nice work, Butch!
Hi,
isn't it the first step to (mechanically) convert
the (90degree) radial force of the magnets into axial movement on the circular rig
in order to make it self-running?
... or ist it your idea, to rotate the ring of magnets first with an electrical motor (needs a battery),
and then taking the resulting (snapping) force from each magnet?
Just wondering about the basic concept..
Were you able to to some more exact measurements of the involved relative force/distance relations?
Edit: swapped "axial" and "radial"
Quote from: Xaverius on January 25, 2009, 02:41:44 AM
@ All,
These videos of this device are the real deal. I personally have examined
this device in Butch's office at his home this afternoon. During several attempts,
I achieved the same exact results as in the video. What is needed now are
suitable mechanical couplings to convert the mechanical force into a usable
mechanical or electrical output. Venture capitalists/Investors are needed to fully
develop this concept. Nice work, Butch!
The public is invited to my home for verification of our Pseudo Solid device overunity operation.
A list member as you can read above has tested it himself and verified that our device is exhibiting overunity operation.
I have an open door policy to anyone who would like to come by and test it.
Before I spend a lot of time work and money on a scaled up version I would like to have as many people as possible come my home and test the device.
It's a very simple test method, but one I believe is error proof.
It involves force times distance with a very simple wire that indicates force used as shown in the video on our site on Youtube.
If you are interested please contact me at lafontegroup@charter.net
I live nine miles outside Birmingham, Alabama.
Any day of the week is fine for coming by.
Day or night.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
I have an idea for improvement ... I think ;D
In the original scenario all that strong force with which magnet is rotated inside magnetic field is used just for turning magnet. And that is just too bad.
You should use that magnetic force that spins magnet to push magnet forward along the track.
If the force that rotates magnet is really bigger than the force required to move magnet out of the magnetic field than you have a self-runner. In not, well It won't be the first time. ;D
Is this the same Butch LaFonte involved with testing the GMCC overunity motor a few years ago?
The SEC filed an action against GMCC for a multi-million dollar overunity fraud last year.
Quote
On February 22, 2008, the Securities and Exchange Commission filed an action against GMC Holding Corporation (GMC) and its chief executive officer, Richard Brace, for defrauding investors by issuing false press releases touting the company's development of a motor technology device capable of generating unlimited energy and negotiations to sell this technology for hundreds of millions of dollars. The Commission's complaint further alleges that these false press releases enabled GMC and Brace to raise more than $2 million from investors through illegal unregistered offerings of the company's stock.
According to the Commission's complaint, GMC and Brace issued press releases in 2005 falsely claiming independent tests, issued by a professional engineer, on the motor device showed it was able to produce more energy than it consumed. In reality, according to the complaint, the press releases claiming that the motor device produced more energy than it consumed failed to include the professional engineer's limitations, namely that the efficiency lasted only a few moments and that they were unable to duplicate the results in subsequent tests.
The complaint also alleges that GMC and Brace issued false press releases in February and March 2006 stating that it was negotiating with unnamed S&P 500 corporations to acquire the company's technology for $300 - 500 million. These press releases, drafted by Brace, were utterly false. GMC and Brace never contacted, much less negotiated with, an S&P corporation, or any other company, regarding the sale of the company's technology.
http://pesn.com/2008/02/26/9500474_SEC_files_action_against_GMC_Holdings/
Quote from: wizardofmars on January 25, 2009, 11:18:26 PM
Is this the same Butch LaFonte involved with testing the GMCC overunity motor a few years ago?
The SEC filed an action against GMCC for a multi-million dollar overunity fraud last year.
http://pesn.com/2008/02/26/9500474_SEC_files_action_against_GMC_Holdings/
Yes, it is, GMCC refused to allow him to test the machine after he spent 1200 dollars putting together a team to test it.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on January 26, 2009, 12:20:55 AM
Yes, it is, GMCC refused to allow him to test the machine after he spent 1200 dollars putting together a team to test it.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
See this link for more information on GMCC testing by LaFonte Group
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1052
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on January 25, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
The public is invited to my home for verification of our Pseudo Solid device overunity operation.
A list member as you can read above has tested it himself and verified that our device is exhibiting overunity operation.
I have an open door policy to anyone who would like to come by and test it.
Before I spend a lot of time work and money on a scaled up version I would like to have as many people as possible come my home and test the device.
<SNIP>
I wish, I could. Cordially. :'(
But unfortunately, I am in Germany. Where can I get these drilled Magnets?
Maybe it helps, if people work on the same proof-of-concept simultaneously?
How else can we participate on an international basis?
Which 3D Program are you using?
If you export the model as DXF or any other interchange-format we could
at least share ideas and possibly improvements "virtually digital"
best,
sushimoto
See attached drawings,
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: sushimoto on January 26, 2009, 01:19:05 PM
<SNIP>
I wish, I could. Cordially. :'(
But unfortunately, I am in Germany. Where can I get these drilled Magnets?
Maybe it helps, if people work on the same proof-of-concept simultaneously?
How else can we participate on an international basis?
Which 3D Program are you using?
If you export the model as DXF or any other interchange-format we could
at least share ideas and possibly improvements "virtually digital"
best,
sushimoto
Sushimoto,
Those are not magnets, they are 1018 mild steel. I had them machined here in town.
The large bars are 1018 steel also and the two magnets are grade 48 NIB, 1" by 1 "
I will post exact dimensions of test fixture.
I will ask Nicolas what 3D program he is using.
Yes I think we can work through the web on this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
just mild steel?
WOW, a good example of how important it is, to think and keep it simple.
At least, i was considering them of beeing ferrite.
damn,
thanks :)
If you look at a plain old dc motor we see that the armature conductors continually fall into a void in the magnetic field of the stator. This magnetic void is created by the armature currents driven perpendicular to the field magnetic lines of force. In the direction of rotation the magnetic field flux is cancelled while "behind" the conductor the magnetic field of force is strengthened. For a magnetic drive motor simply create the magnetic field so that the armature current needs not to be commutated and reversed. This would involve two polarized rings one set inside the other creating a uniform magnetic field inbetween the two rings. This will require no commutation as the conductors will always be in the same plane of the field. Into this cavity or slot between the two rings (just like an armature conductor resides perpendicular to the field winding) insert a circular magnet polarized to mimic a conductor carrying 25amps attached to the rotor. Insert as many as you want on the rotor extending into the gap between the two pm rings. Watch it spin. Don't tell anyone or the powers that be will send puppets like the SEC to mess with you.
Quote from: Xaverius on January 25, 2009, 02:41:44 AM
@ All,
These videos of this device are the real deal. I personally have examined
this device in Butch's office at his home this afternoon. During several attempts,
I achieved the same exact results as in the video. What is needed now are
suitable mechanical couplings to convert the mechanical force into a usable
mechanical or electrical output. Venture capitalists/Investors are needed to fully
develop this concept. Nice work, Butch!
Hi, Xaverius!
It's good that you've examined mr. LaFonte's (/ his group) device "in vivo"...
However, the "one shot" concept is not enough to recognise a real "overunity".
This was understood more than a century ago.. Old stuff, kind of..?.
(Remember the "SMOT" concept?) ;) It's almost 90 years old....
Do you people really understand the concept of "Energy" (and all what is happening during the "interchange")?... Or, repetitive / periodical functioning, or the point of "closing " the cycle?
Yes or No?
Mr. LaFonte?
Why is it always so difficult (impossible, maybe?) to "close the loop"?
Hi all,
I have improved the Pseudo Solid design and will be posting video as soon as I can get it machined. I will post drawings and animation also.
I wonder if it could be something this simple. Thanks for the input you guys.
If anyone would like to exchange information using your full name, email me at lafontegroup@charter.net
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Note: There is an old saying, "Don't argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"
A selfrunner magnetic motor is just atomic energy at work. Whatever creates the electric and magnetic moments of an atom is your power scource. We accept that there is a migration of free electrons within a semiconductor. Why is it impossible to accept there is such a migration of electrons within a metallic crystal.
Quote from: sparks on January 27, 2009, 03:21:25 PM
A selfrunner magnetic motor is just atomic energy at work. Whatever creates the electric and magnetic moments of an atom is your power scource.
Sparks,
At this point I believe your are correct.
Butch
See attached,
Use 1/8" plastic spacers between magnets and stator bars where they meet.
Butch
Quote from: spinner on January 27, 2009, 08:10:14 AM
Hi, Xaverius!
It's good that you've examined mr. LaFonte's (/ his group) device "in vivo"...
However, the "one shot" concept is not enough to recognise a real "overunity".
This was understood more than a century ago.. Old stuff, kind of..?.
(Remember the "SMOT" concept?) ;) It's almost 90 years old....
Do you people really understand the concept of "Energy" (and all what is happening during the "interchange")?... Or, repetitive / periodical functioning, or the point of "closing " the cycle?
Yes or No?
Mr. LaFonte?
Why is it always so difficult (impossible, maybe?) to "close the loop"?
One-shot concept? You mean an open loop? I totally agree, I've talked to Butch
about this, his next step is to obtain machining resources and materials to scale it up and produce a continuous output. We are open to ideas as how to best couple the components to produce free energy. Any suggestions?
I am getting requests for fabrication drawings and materials list for the Pseudo Solid proof of concept fixture.
I will make a more detailed drawing and post it.
Also here is a list of things to be careful about when dealing with machine shops.
1. Never tell the shop you are building an overunity device. Tell them you are building a class room teaching aid for a high school or college teacher.
If they ask what it does tell them it demonstrates magnetic field behavior. I say that and they have never asked another thing about what it is.
2. When you request it be built out of 1018 steel, be very animate that it be 1018 because of it's particular magnetic properties. I have had shops just grab any thing they have in their shop and think you won't know the difference. If you get high carbon or hard ferromagnetic steel it will stay magnetized after leaving the magnetic field. Plus test results will vary and get everyone confused and alienated. I have 1018 magnetic properties data if any one needs it.
3. Take the 1/8" steel rod with you and leave it with him so he can put a micrometer on it to match the thru hole for the rod slip fit. Clean the rod with steel wool or emery cloth till it is smooth and shiny before he gets it for measuring it's diameter. Tell him you need the rotors to slide and rotate freely, but not have any play.
If it is too tight when you get it home you can use emery cloth on the rod to get it just right. I have done it many times. The rotor has to rotate freely at all costs.
You should be able to blow on it and it rotate.
4. When you get it home, clean and debur the parts and all edges. Remember you may put it on video and the world see it.
5. Try keeping it indoors and spray it with WD40 to keep it from rusting. I have 1018 that is seven years old in my office and is still shiny and shows no rust.
6. Build the frame from wood to save money if needed and never from any ferromagnetic material. Aluminum is OK also.
7. Only test when unit is level.
8. Keep children and the dog away from it. My daughters were always interested it my machines and I had to lock them up. The machines that is, not my daughters.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
lafontegroup@charter.net
Hi butch,
i am still enjoying this thread an there seems to be a progress :)
Do you have any clue, what "(CRS?) 1018 steel" could be in europe?
We do have "DIN"- norm, in which numbers differ from yours (AISI?) in the US.
Machine shops rarely knowing the exact formula of their material,
so i cannot ask for i.E. "RFe12 Carbon Steel" maybe cold rolled...
anybody?
best,
sushi
PS EDIT: just found this: http://www.matweb.com/reference/steel.aspx
Exellent site for materials!
Quote from: sushimoto on January 28, 2009, 04:37:22 PM
Hi butch,
i am still enjoying this thread an there seems to be a progress :)
Do you have any clue, what "(CRS?) 1018 steel" could be in europe?
We do have "DIN"- norm, in which numbers differ from yours (AISI?) in the US.
Machine shops rarely knowing the exact formula of their material,
so i cannot ask for i.E. "RFe12 Carbon Steel" maybe cold rolled...
anybody?
best,
sushi
PS EDIT: just found this: http://www.matweb.com/reference/steel.aspx
Exellent site for materials!
Here is some additional info on 1018.
Let me know if you can not find out what 1018 designation is there.
Butch LaFonte
http://www.iea.lth.se/emk/literature/FEMM40_matlib.pdf
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=195439&page=1
http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~nbowler/pdf%20final%20versions/conferences/QNDE2005Bowler.pdf
http://www.lord.com/Portals/0/MR/Magnetic_Circuit_Design.pdf
http://www.vacuumschmelze.de/dynamic/en/index.php
I am getting requests for fabrication drawings and materials list for the Pseudo Solid proof of concept fixture.
I will make a more detailed drawing and post it.
Also here is a list of things to be careful about when dealing with machine shops.
1. Never tell the shop you are building an overunity device. Tell them you are building a class room teaching aid for a high school or college teacher.
If they ask what it does tell them it demonstrates magnetic field behavior. I say that and they have never asked another thing about what it is.
2. When you request it be built out of 1018 steel, be very animate that it be 1018 because of it's particular magnetic properties. I have had shops just grab any thing they have in their shop and think you won't know the difference. If you get high carbon or hard ferromagnetic steel it will stay magnetized after leaving the magnetic field. Plus test results will vary and get everyone confused and alienated. I have 1018 magnetic properties data if any one needs it.
3. Take the 1/8" steel rod with you and leave it with him so he can put a micrometer on it to match the thru hole for the rod slip fit. Clean the rod with steel wool or emery cloth till it is smooth and shiny before he gets it for measuring it's diameter. Tell him you need the rotors to slide and rotate freely, but not have any play.
If it is too tight when you get it home you can use emery cloth on the rod to get it just right. I have done it many times. The rotor has to rotate freely at all costs.
You should be able to blow on it and it rotate.
4. When you get it home, clean and debur the parts and all edges. Remember you may put it on video and the world see it.
5. Try keeping it indoors and spray it with WD40 to keep it from rusting. I have 1018 that is seven years old in my office and is still shiny and shows no rust.
6. Build the frame from wood to save money if needed and never from any ferromagnetic material. Aluminum is OK also.
7. Only test when unit is level.
8. Keep children and the dog away from it. My daughters were always interested it my machines and I had to lock them up. The machines that is, not my daughters.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
lafontegroup@charter.net
Additional information
9. Ask the shop if they can machine to plus or minus .005" if possible.
10. While at the shop assemble rotors on shaft and see if they interlock with no touching and all gaps look consistent.
11. The radius call outs in the new drawing will cause the air gaps between the interlock elements to be .050"
Cut a piece of wood the exact size of the rotor to use when lining up the rotor between the stator bars. This will eliminate any problems with the stator wanting to "jump" to the stator when setting it up in the center. After setting it up just exchange the wood for the steel rotors.
Set up > Cut a piece of wood the exact size of the rotor to use when lining up the rotor between the stator bars. This will eliminate any problems with the stator wanting to "jump" to the stator when setting it up in the center. After setting it up just exchange the wood for the steel rotors.
Make sure that the rotors are as close to perfect center between the top and bottom stator bars. This will reduce any pull in one direction on the center steel rod. Also make sure the center axis of the rotors is as close to 90 degrees to the stator assembly as possible for full 360 degrees. These two adjustments are very important.
See attached
Wouldn't it help if the rod was non magnetic?
Brass? Maybe Teflon? =)
Each rotor piece could be fixed instead of sliding but still rotate about the rod.
Fixed on ring rotor elements would push the whole rotor ring instead of sliding on rod.
The rear of each could have a tiny "roller" that could push off of a helical inside the stator.
Guides could be arranged on Stator to allow only 1 direction of "flip".
Multiple Stators of course 90 degrees orientation from adjacent as previously drawn by Butch.
Just some ideas from an ugly sketch yesterday.
Keep it up! Great work.
Best regards,
Jeff
Quote from: arringtj on January 29, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
Wouldn't it help if the rod was non magnetic?
Brass? Maybe Teflon? =)
Each rotor piece could be fixed instead of sliding but still rotate about the rod.
Fixed on ring rotor elements would push the whole rotor ring instead of sliding on rod.
The rear of each could have a tiny "roller" that could push off of a helical inside the stator.
Guides could be arranged on Stator to allow only 1 direction of "flip".
Multiple Stators of course 90 degrees orientation from adjacent as previously drawn by Butch.
Just some ideas from an ugly sketch yesterday.
Keep it up! Great work.
Best regards,
Jeff
Jeff,
I agree that sliding the rod is better than sliding the rotors. I'm looking for small locking collars on the web today to out on each end of the rotor assembly. I just noticed something else, the rod will need a very thin washer placed on it between the two rotor assemblies so that the two rotors will not touch when rotating into the Pseudo Solid position.
I feel the rod needs to stay ferromagnetic so that there will not be a nonmagnetic gap half way through the rotor. Also the shaft flexes easy and I just measured my shaft and it is .150 not .125 and I wonder if we should spec the rod to be very hard, high tensile strength steel to keep it from flexing.
Would you help me search the web to also see if the are any miniature roller bearings that the rod could slide on? The movement needs to be as free and smooth as possible so we can detect any cogging when moving into the stator area with the interlocks open.
Great idea on the rod moving with the rotors.
Thanks,
Butch
Notice that when the interlocks are open and entering the stator magnetic field that every surface that is being pulled in has a surface of the same area that is being pulled back out. This keeps the movement cog free.
Then when the interlocks are allowed to rotate and line up with the field lines that work can be done. The first step in the sequence is 90 degrees to the field and the second is a rotation around the center line that the first step moved along. The interlocking allows the two rotors to become a Pseudo Solid and the field for all practical applications sees the rotor as a solid continuous piece of metal and allows it to move out of the field virtually cog free. One thing to consider here. The flux density in the stator core changes during the rotors interlocking and placement of coils on the stator core will react to this change and produce a voltage/current.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Butch:
Here is a link to where I have bought many bearings. They have lots of choices. The smallest Linear bearing is 8mm and that is what I bought for the 5 Magnetic pistons in my mag motor. You could use some of their micro slot car bearings on 4 sides of the steel rod, perhaps.
http://www.vxb.com/
Thanks,
Jeff
Butch:Actually, you could use 8mm tube that has i.d. of 1/8th inch or drill this size hole in solid brass rod.
Put one 8mm brass rod on each end of steel rod. Buy (2) 8mm linear bearings and put on each end. Lube with 3 in 1 oil and WOW ! These linears slide fast and easy! See photo of old linear mag design...
Se attached sketch
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
See attached
I think some of you were waiting for the animations about this design. here they are:
Old ideas:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uzed4sh7xg&feature=channel_page
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnd8QAy2zQ&feature=channel_page
recently added videos:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JznBPTK8GHU&feature=channel_page
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lly5b0VHzbA&feature=channel
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=keAkjRCsnAc&feature=channel_page
If you like you can use 3/8" thick steel for the rotors and 1/4" hardend steel shaft.
See attached drawing for additional fabrication details.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
You know, the problem with this is going to be when the little tab things have a load on them. If they become loaded, it will be difficult for them to line up according to the field and trying to push the next one will cause stiction. Do not let one of the tabs rotate and you'll see what I mean. In the video the tabs started out horizontal and aligned themselves vertically in the field. You'll find that when the tab is not allowed to align vertically (such in the case of a strong load) it will require a strong force to push the tab through. I don't think this setup will work because the alignment of the field and the pushing of the next tab are too coupled.
A true over unity setup will be a one way street - action without reaction. I haven't figured out how to do this mechanically yet. However, electromagnetically its very easy.
Charlie,
We will know very shortly, it's being built now.
Butch
See attached
Butch:
Looks promising. What did you wind up using to slide the rod? Just a bushing, just holes or a linear bearing from the link I gave you?
Thanks,
Jeff
Quote from: Charlie_V on February 08, 2009, 11:37:06 PM
<SNIP>A true over unity setup will be a one way street - action without reaction.
I haven't figured out how to do this mechanically yet.
However, electromagnetically its very easy.
Huh,
..just popping in to ask where to get your proof-of-concept and blueprints for that easy, working, true OU-device..
Maybe its worth a new thread in the "electromechanical"-section?
Thanks.
Back to Butch's exellent work.
Quote from: arringtj on February 10, 2009, 11:24:24 AM
Butch:
Looks promising. What did you wind up using to slide the rod? Just a bushing, just holes or a linear bearing from the link I gave you?
Thanks,
Jeff
Jeff,
It is being built in Canada by a member of the LaFonte Reaserch Network and I don't know where he got the bearings.
I will give all that info when he is finished building.
There will be a video also of testing as usual.
Butch
Quote from: sushimoto on February 10, 2009, 11:44:35 AM
Huh,
..just popping in to ask where to get your proof-of-concept and blueprints for that easy, working, true OU-device..
Maybe its worth a new thread in the "electromechanical"-section?
Thanks.
Back to Butch's excellent work.
Exactly which design are you referring to?
Butch
Butch
That was quoted to "Charlie-V's statement claiming how easy
it is to build an Overunity-device based on electromechanics.
Everythink looks easy, but as reality bites, it could be a problem to find the right washers.
Right?
So i asked Charlie_V to show us his thread instead of complaining your work.
regards,
sushimoto
Quote from: sushimoto on February 10, 2009, 03:30:14 PM
Butch
That was quoted to "Charlie-V's statement claiming how easy
it is to build an Overunity-device based on electromechanics.
Everythink looks easy, but as reality bites, it could be a problem to find the right washers.
Right?
So i asked Charlie_V to show us his thread instead of complaining your work.
regards,
sushimoto
Ok, I understand now, thanks,
Butch
See attached drawing,
Thanks,
Butch
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on February 10, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
See attached drawing,
Thanks,
Butch
So, anything new? (as in the last - god knows how many - years...)
8)
OU everywhere, yes?
Quote from: spinner on February 12, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
So, anything new? (as in the last - god knows how many - years...)
8)
OU everywhere, yes?
Spinner,
You are a poor timid soul hidding behind a screen name and you know neither victory or defeat.
Butch LaFonte
Radius area added to eliminate cogging during rotor reset (opening).
See attached,
Butch LaFonte
Thanks to Steve Brown for building a test fixture for the LaFonte Group's Pseudo Solid proof of concept project.
Steve is a member of the LaFonte Research Network.
Attached is a pic of the rotor he just finished.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on February 12, 2009, 03:40:47 PM
Spinner,
You are a poor timid soul hidding behind a screen name and you know neither victory or defeat.
Butch LaFonte
Butch, sorry... Yes, it's not nice to criticize people hiding behind a "screen name".
I do hope that you or yours "LaFonte Research Network" will - eventually - produce "something"..
You deserve the Victory!
Good bye and good luck!
Quote from: spinner on February 13, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
Butch, sorry... Yes, it's not nice to criticize people hiding behind a "screen name".
I do hope that you or yours "LaFonte Research Network" will - eventually - produce "something"..
You deserve the Victory!
Good bye and good luck!
Spinner,
I sometimes wonder if luck may be the only way to discover overunity in this area.
Butch
You see the problem for viewers like myself is this, i understand what you are saying by power in and power out, BUT, I would like to see a vid of that half inch slide with a complete chain of metal "flippers", not just one or two, line a bunch up and show it, I wish you well and all the luck in the world, the worlds an amazing place and this forum is filled with amazing people, Watchin you build this makes me listen, if they did it might sound like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9FHbP2-of8