Hi All,
here is a ZIP file archive Marco uploaded about the Genesis Project.
Have a look at it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item233
Many thanks to Marco.
Regards, Stefan.
You will find a much better translation at this link:
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/
Okay i guess nobody noticed, but the Genesis project has certain simalarities with the so called Spherics TPU.
Look at the images below to see what i mean.
Marco.
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If you look in Morgan Jones book. Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says,
The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
* Tube filaments are wound as a NON-INDUCTIVE spiral to cancel out the magnetic field around the heater.
* This is done because otherwise the field generated around the heater will modulate the electron beam and thus the output of the tube.
* In specific tubes for UHF and audio amplification, like the ones Steven Mark mentioned, the heater cancels out it's own field and the residue is only about 0.1 Gauss, this is done to reduce the grid buzz to a minimum.
Now the question arises, how can a non inductive coil react with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick ?
Anybody?
Marco.
Ps. Below is drawing of the tube heater.
Hello all,
@Marco
with a core.
Otto
Quote from: otto on February 10, 2009, 06:13:55 AM
Hello all,
@Marco
with a core.
Otto
Heaters in tubes do not have a core, Otto.
It's way too small for that.
Think of this:
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Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
My unit operates on these principles.
Marco.
Oh and this too:
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The kick is universally attributed to the earth's magnetic field.
OK the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH!
Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO
SHOW THIS.
Next point; YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET MORE OUT OF A PIECE
OF WIRE THEN YOU PUT IN TO IT.
Nice one Marco!!
Quote from: -[marco]- on February 10, 2009, 05:24:40 AM
* Tube filaments are wound as a NON-INDUCTIVE spiral to cancel out the magnetic field around the heater.
* This is done because otherwise the field generated around the heater will modulate the electron beam and thus the output of the tube.
* In specific tubes for UHF and audio amplification, like the ones Steven Mark mentioned, the heater cancels out it's own field and the residue is only about 0.1 Gauss, this is done to reduce the grid buzz to a minimum.
Now the question arises, how can a non inductive coil react with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick ?
Anybody?
Marco.
Ps. Below is drawing of the tube heater.
What is the small kick?
http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
"The width of one Coulomb
On thinking along these lines I notice something interesting: in copper, one coulomb of movable electrons has a certain size! There are about 13,000 coulombs of free electrons per cubic centimeter of copper.
8.5*10^+22 elect/cc * 1.6*10^-19 coul./elect = 13600 Coul./cc
Therefore one coulomb would form a cube approximately 0.4mm across...
1/(13600cc^(1/3)) = 0.042 cm
HA! A coulomb in copper is about the size of a grain of sand! We can now discuss electric current within wires as if it were cc per second of fluid flow inside of small hoses. If an Ampere is one coulomb per second, we're REALLY saying that an Ampere is "one saltgrain-sized blob, moving each second, squeezing itself into whatever sized wire." So, for the usual sizes of wires used in electric circuitry, if we deliver one salt-grain per second (one amp,) that's a very slow flow. The tiny saltgrains are going by: bip, bip, bip, once per second.. In 16-gauge wire the saltgrain blobs would be morphed to fill the cross-section, so they would resemble very thin stacked pancakes. In 30-gauge wire the saltgrains would be almost undistorted, and so the charges would move at about 0.4 mm/sec during a 1-amp current.
One thing's not certain in the above calculations: the charge density for copper. My above value for Q assumes that each copper atom donates a single movable electron. The email from the person below points out that this might not be true. For example, if only one in ten conduction electrons are movable, while the rest are "compensated" and frozen, then the speed of the charge flow will be ten times greater than 8.4cm/hour."
Quote from: -[marco]- on February 10, 2009, 05:24:40 AM
* Tube filaments are wound as a NON-INDUCTIVE spiral to cancel out the magnetic field around the heater.
* This is done because otherwise the field generated around the heater will modulate the electron beam and thus the output of the tube.
* In specific tubes for UHF and audio amplification, like the ones Steven Mark mentioned, the heater cancels out it's own field and the residue is only about 0.1 Gauss, this is done to reduce the grid buzz to a minimum.
Now the question arises, how can a non inductive coil react with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick ?
Anybody?
Marco.
Uh...perpendicularly I would imagine. I think orthogonal is the relative term...spherics said orthogonal as well wrt nested standing waves...Could we just put a magnet near the genesis negative coil to control flow? :o
If you have a non inductive coil with a negative moving surface charge with little/no resistance in the presence of a magnetic field...a superconductor of sorts...then the charges would experience a force from the field and get pumped whichever direction of least resistance the coil allowed....think of the magnetic field as a wind blowing across a vertical axis windmill?
sorry if I don't make sense...it's still early...not that I'm right...just guessing and hoping someone says I got it right?
Magneto-hydrodynamics. Checkout Alfen waves. It's what heats up the corrona and results in longitudinal waves in the plasma cellular fields that extend throughout the Universe. The SolarWind's gotta vibration and the magnetosphere is pumping. Plasma currents are relavent to plasma currents.
Copper wire skin is a negative plasma. You dont need to accelerate electrons to get some polarization shifts. You just need to apply a little wave theory to the electron cloud inside a copper conductor field skin.
Please ask yourself : is it possible that TPU is not alone device and there was something before based on the same principle ?
What is inside permanent magnet ? If that is the same as for TPU - electrons without magnetic field influence flowing in circles ? At least Ed Leedscalnin stated something similiar. But what that means ? Think a moment...
What if we are using Earth magnetic field for longer then 120 years paying for something which is freely available for us ?
Has anyone put one of these together yet? Does anybody know how to test it?
Better question...who would like to actually explain what they think is happening here? (Rather than ask more questions)
I put one together...don't really know what I'm doing...with a 12V PS and manually shorting out the coil quickly, my multi meter is showing as much as 1800V hooked up to a wire with no power hooked to it...one pos wire is shorted to the negative outer tube and the other wire, with no current hooked up to it is showing 1800V when tapped? sooo...? Oh yeah...an LED lights both ways when hooked up to the same unhooked wire...I understand the voltage is coming from induction...but even with multi meter anomalies...I've never personally ever had one spike like that?
Update: I believe two of these coils paired together with opposite polarities may be needed for usable electricity. I also have a basic analogue multimeter now to observe previously mentioned voltage spikes.
> update...no spikes observed with analogue meter?
> I have built second coil for opposite polarity tests.
> I have also revisited the original Genesis information to double check the described function...I have been doing things wrong by far, but the effect seems to share with my limited results...for instance...
And when the current is made decrease by handling the voltage (applying a load?), the electromotive force in the direction which helps the current decreasing is induced, and after the current reaches zero instantly, the current begins to accelerate in the opposite direction rapidly.
... this would explain why my LED's were lighting/flickering with no regard to the direction of current. As well, the natural switching process may have kept them from exploding with so much current in the first place...
> Next...proper hook up as per Genesis info with one coil...then two...
Hello Konduct :)
I'm glad to see you are playing with non inductive coils.
I have wrapped some myself and i noticed something strange...
Whenever i swipe the coil with a magnet, NO voltage is generated, which makes sense because the coil is non inductive.
But i noticed, the resistance of the coil reacted violently to the magnet, i discoverd it by accident.
It dropped from 52 Ohms to zero and back while i was swiping it, which is strange.
It makes no sense at all and some say it comes from the meter sending in a small voltage, but that doesn't make sense too.
It simply should not do that because it is non inductive :-\
So if you are able to swipe a magnet while measuring the coil's resistance please do so, i'm intrested in the results :)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
Very interesting what you found. May I suggest to check the resistance change in a normal Wheatstone bridge?
You simply make a resistance bridge from 3 pieces of 51 Ohm (standard value) resistors and your 52 Ohm coil and feed it with 1 -2 Volt DC from any power supply or battery and attach a DC voltmeter across the bridge output. Of course the bridge will not be fully balanced due to the difference of the 1 Ohm but bringing the magnet towards the coil in the bridge should cause a hugh increase in the output voltage from the bridge. If the resistance change is indeed real.
You have copper wire in your coil?
Thanks, Gyula
Hi gyulasun :)
Yes it's all copper wire.
You mean a bridge like the one below,
I will try it when i get home.
Quote from: forest on February 15, 2009, 12:56:16 PM
Please ask yourself : is it possible that TPU is not alone device and there was something before based on the same principle ?
Hello Forest,
There are many devices that somehow fit the picture.
I asked Stefan to put up this thread because Steven Mark did mention what he called "the Geneses system" and i'm just trying to find out if it is the same as the genesis project.
The so called Spherics TPU model looks alot like this Genesis project and pherhaps Spherics is the guy that tried to visit one of Stevens demonstrations, but that's just a wild guess.
In any case we know there was a person related to the Geneses system that tried to visit a demnonstration of the TPU.
Here is the quote from Steven:
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Have you ever heard of the Geneses system?
There is some fellow who is asking people for money to develop what he calls his Geneses system.
He sounds very much like a fellow who tried to see one of our demonstrations a few years back.
He was very upset and abusive when we refused him a look see.
He told us he knew how it worked and that we should pay him for copying his discovery.
We asked him to explain how our unit worked and it was very amusing to listen too.
Suffice it to say, he never got a penny from us, or anyone else I ever knew about.
Marco.
Quote from: -[marco]- on February 17, 2009, 04:45:18 AM
Hello Konduct :)
I'm glad to see you are playing with non inductive coils.
I have wrapped some myself and i noticed something strange...
Whenever i swipe the coil with a magnet, NO voltage is generated, which makes sense because the coil is non inductive.
But i noticed, the resistance of the coil reacted violently to the magnet, i discoverd it by accident.
It dropped from 52 Ohms to zero and back while i was swiping it, which is strange.
It makes no sense at all and some say it comes from the meter sending in a small voltage, but that doesn't make sense too.
It simply should not do that because it is non inductive :-\
So if you are able to swipe a magnet while measuring the coil's resistance please do so, i'm intrested in the results :)
Marco.
Hi marco...is that using an analogue multi meter or digital?
How do you have yours hooked up? What do you think it means when it says..."Winding up the two immediate enameled wires thickly to the outer cylinder (in the chart, a wire is indicated with blue, another with red),
the ends of one of the wires close and the ends of other open. The two opened ends become the connecting terminals of the negative inductor. "
Would that mean close one of the wires to its own tail? or does it mean hook the two coils of wire to each other?
Quote from: konduct on February 17, 2009, 06:33:39 AM
Hi marco...is that using an analogue multi meter or digital?
How do you have yours hooked up? What do you think it means when it says..."Winding up the two immediate enameled wires thickly to the outer cylinder (in the chart, a wire is indicated with blue, another with red), the ends of one of the wires close and the ends of other open. The two opened ends become the connecting terminals of the negative inductor. "
Would that mean close one of the wires to its own tail? or does it mean hook the two coils of wire to each other?
Hello konduct,
I am using digital meters.
The ends of the coil are simply connected together so the coil cancels out it's own magnetic field.
Here's a pic:
Marco.
Hi Marco...
I have connected my coil as you have yours. Although, using my new analogue meter, I did not notice the same effect you had? I will have to try it with my digital.
What is a good layman's way to hook this thing up as described?
Well i dont know how you want to measure resistance with an analogue meter alone :) but if you scroll a few posts back there is a diagram.
I am going to try some other things too this evening.
Marco.
Quote from: -[marco]- on February 17, 2009, 06:00:39 AM
Hi gyulasun :)
Yes it's all copper wire.
You mean a bridge like the one below,
I will try it when i get home.
Hi Marco,
Yes I mean exactly that bridge you nicely show in the picture in the previous page.
But before you make the bridge, read this, it just occured to me:
I would suggest the following test if you do not mind: use your multimeter in AC current range and terminate your non inductive coil with the multimeter. This means you practically place a short circuit across the coil (the ampermeter has near zero inner resistance). If you find some milliAmper indication on your meter when you use your magnet, then this induced current also fools your Ohm-meter. I know this is also against common sense.... :) ??? :)
rgds, Gyula
What is non-inductive coil ? Bifilar coil with ends both tied together ?
Marco showed a picture on a non inductive coil in the previous page: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6784.msg158097#msg158097
Current flowing in one direction in one of the wires and coming back in the opposite dirction in the other wire cancels most of the magnetic fields so there is no self-inductance of such a coil.