DO not pay your TV TAX, you don't need to.
Read this posting from The Daily Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3563646/Time-to-stand-up-to-the-TV-licence-bullies.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3563646/Time-to-stand-up-to-the-TV-licence-bullies.html)
Then go to http://www.tvlicensing.biz/phpBB3/index.php (http://www.tvlicensing.biz/phpBB3/index.php) for great info
Get a REFUND on your license and then REFUSE access to TVL if they call. They have NO POWER to come into your home and you DO NOT NEED to let them in, FACT!
Detector vans are EMPTY and are a propaganda tool.
Don't Pay The TAX.
Hi mindsweeper;
I'm in the US so I'm not familiar with GB's licensing? Do they make you pay to have a TV? that sounds outrageous, How much does it cost and is it per TV or house hold?
Thanks Pete
My kids are in the UK for there schooling and the license fee is something like 120 uk pounds (I'm not sure of the exact fee), about 170 dollars. They are the instigators of this thread and I have to agree with them. They have stopped paying the TAX and refusing access to the people who check and collect the tax.
Many people in the UK are refusing to pay and I think they have a valid point, don't you ?
My view which applies to any country is that the governments must pay you to watch the TV because it is them who want to dupe you in to supporting their plans so they must pay you for brain washing you. Further, when you are duped into buying the crap advertised again the government is profitting so, they must pay you to watch.
People in countries in which there is no TV licencing must realise:"there is no such thing as a free lunch".
I hope the tax gets scrapped soon like the radio licence that everyone stopped paying years ago (or so my dad told me) seems it just got changed into the TV licence as it stands now
but I can actually see them starting this national ID database on everyone in the UK/world and then changing the TV licence to cover ALL electronic communications including the internet and mobiles which they have already said they want to save the emails/history/phone records on a database so I can see all that being linked into one big tracking system that hassle none payments all online via automatic fines and getting rid of the vans/door to door people so you can not defend the fine unless you go to court which will be such a hassle and make most people bow down and accept it
online TV makes the licence closer to being required for any computer or mobile phone (if it isn't already) so I can see it being an internet tax if it is not stopped from which you wont be able to use a radio, TV, Computer, or mobile without it
supporters say its good value for money as the bbc does not have adverts and creates "quality" programmes, but this argument does not hold up when you have the option to pay for view with the digital boxes... if its such good quality scrap the licence and put all those channels as pay for view and we can see how many people sign up for them
the licence is outdated in the digital age where access can be controlled...
TBH if I had my own house I wouldnt bother with a TV... I look whats on from time to time and I can hardly ever find anything even remotely interesting so I dont watch it much and could live without it easy... the internet is a bit different though... it has lots of information I quite like to have handy like if im cooking and forget a recipe i can look it up which is why I hope they dont try to licence it or make it any more restricted or tracked
@ Loner:
Yes, that is why we left the England but, there are folks now here in the US that want all of the bad stuff that the UK is dealing with and they are pushing hard for it. All of the things that made America great are now being portrayed as being bad and selfish. If you start a business and make a profit, you are evil. But, if you don't have a job, and live off of the public dole (other people's taxes) and have 10 kids, you are a hero. I do not watch much, if any tv. I will not pay for cable and they just now switched over to digital and my tv is analog. I bought the converter box but it does not work. so, I watch any program I want for free on the internet, including movies so, I am fine. But now, our government wants to tax that. Our Post Office has been losing money for years and raising the price of stamps almost every year, and now, they are thinking about charging us a fee for every e-mail sent and received!!!!! This is bullshit and unless we all stand up and say...."ENOUGH", they will continue.
Bill
@AhuraMazda.
You have a good point, they should pay people to watch.
@Aka,
do you pay the tax?
@Looner
You hit the nail squarely on the head.
Do you remember the poll tax riots in the UK. The government placed a 350 pound levy on everyone over the age of 18. That woke them up, but they all went back to sleep.
@Pirate88179
I think the BBC are fighting to have the license fee cover the internet, If it's happening in the USA, how are they going to enforce payment. In the UK the BBC use/own TVL who go round bullying people in there own homes (If you let them in) and then take you to court to receive a 1000 pound fine.
Disgusting if you ask me..
@Pirate88179
this is the first time I heard about any charges for sending/receiving email... I don't see how that could work with all the free services around... in fact I don't know how the UK is going to use the emails in their database as its going to be hard to track who is who on anything other than the ISP email services that you get with your connection I guess they will just track for keywords and add certain addresses to a watch list or something but they said they only going to track the to/from/time and the title so I cant see it being much use for anything
@mindsweeper
no I don't pay, but then again I don't watch TV so it would be pointless really lol, the household does buy the licence though... I do try to tell people that its a robbery but they don't listen, they are just set in the way of thinking that paying the money is less fuss and anyway they like to sit watching the mind numbing stuff that's on... like good little citizens :D
if anyone gets "caught" via a detector van just ask for proof of the calibration of the equipment inside the detector van because they could be tracking a neighbours TV signal or something... just like the drivers who got away with speeding fines because they claimed the speed cameras were not calibrated correctly... even if it fails you may get to look inside one of the vans and see whats inside
This is quite a eye opener for me, here the air wave are free if they send a signal at my land then I can and will receive it my yard does resemble NASA but I do get a lot of channel's and of course nothing is ever on.
I'd love to see them tax e-mails,it might cut down on the hundred's of junk mail I get, something I wont hold my breath for.
Hi all,
The reason we pay a licence fee goes back to when we first had TV here. The BBC has no adverts and no breaks in the tv shows to show adverts. So they do not get money from people who want to advertise on breaks which come every 5 mins like some channels. You can watch all the shows uninterupted, so the licence fee was what funded the channel, because BBC produced all the shows for the channel and that was all the funding they had. If you wanted to watch it, you paid for it. Since then of course we now have digital tv with few hundred channels all of which have adverts. So we are really still just paying for the BBC channel to run itself while all the other channels get advert funding/sponsers, this does need to be reviewed I think! But it is nice to watch shows that dont have adverts, but then thats what torrents are for :)
CTG, great post. torrents are good but I wonder about there legality.
Like you stated, it's only the BBC who get the money. I think there are about 50 free to air stations in the UK and only ONE of which the TAX money goes, all the others get NOTHING!
Now if you add up all the license fee payers, how many hundreds of millions of pounds is that I wonder?
BBC is still essentially the British govenment's propoganda machine. Yes it is not as bad as US or the old soviet style broad casting but they still follow an agenda.
Take for instance the issue of the rescent genoside in Gaza and the stance of BBC or the rest of Murdok controlled media with regards helping them.
I found this article which may prove the point further:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html
Quote from: AhuraMazda on February 14, 2009, 09:12:47 AM
BBC is still essentially the British govenment's propoganda machine. Yes it is not as bad as US or the old soviet style broad casting but they still follow an agenda.
Take for instance the issue of the rescent genoside in Gaza and the stance of BBC or the rest of Murdok controlled media with regards helping them.
I found this article which may prove the point further:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html
I regard this reply as "Very Anti Semitic" and has been reported to the moderator. "despite there not being one"
bbc= british brainwashing company
Quote from: mindsweeper on February 14, 2009, 03:18:25 PM
I regard this reply as "Very Anti Semitic" and has been reported to the moderator. "despite there not being one"
As a matter of fact I have quite a few good jewish friends. I am pro truth and against biggotary.
For those who live in the USA and say it is outrageous to pay for tv must consider the fact this is what we do in the USA also. Cable and Satellite is Pay-TV. 4 or 5 snowy channels (low quality) max with an off-air antenna with one Public Broadcasting Station (PBS) that is already paid for with donations (This is our free already paid for TV).
Satellite and cable systems both encrypt the PBS channel that has already been paid for by their viewers (which is against encryption laws) and then charge you again for it. LOL
Both Satellite providers charge for the few local channels that would otherwise be freely available from an off air antenna.
Then you have the Satellite and Cable Tv tax. How is this free TV?
I live in the USA and get a whopping 12 digital channels (over the air) which include 3 Public Broadcasting channels (they are all different) This is totally free to me. if there is anything else I want to see that I can't get over the air....I just watch it on line....for free. This includes movies and sitcoms, etc. I have found that just about anything that is on cable, is available on the net for free if you look for it. I don't watch much TV anyway but there is no way I would ever pay to watch it.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 27, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
I live in the USA and get a whopping 12 digital channels (over the air) which include 3 Public Broadcasting channels (they are all different) This is totally free to me. if there is anything else I want to see that I can't get over the air....I just watch it on line....for free. This includes movies and sitcoms, etc. I have found that just about anything that is on cable, is available on the net for free if you look for it. I don't watch much TV anyway but there is no way I would ever pay to watch it.
Bill
12 channels from different affiliates meaning the only difference is in the local news, local advertisements, or TV programs showing at different times. I install satellite systems and I run into this from time to time. This is not the case for the majority of people in the US. I'll give you an example: In Elkhart, IN you can pick up Elkhart, South Bend, and Possibly Fort Wayne local channels with an off-air antenna (and yes digital is a plus). You're also paying for your internet connection when viewing movies and sitcoms. You could use your broadband connection as your phone service also, such as Vonage. Vonage is an excellent deal for anyone with a broadband internet connection ($24.95 per month with all the features with no additional fees other than tax).
I sent my fiance who lived overseas a Vonage box and talked to her unlimited minutes for $24.95 a month and she had a USA phone number even though she wasn't in the U.S. (Phone service is all digital when both parties have Vonage)
I know more loop holes, but can't reveal them here.......hehehe
Oh, and the other loop holes, they are lawful (I don't want you to get the wrong idea).
@ Gravity:
I only pay $10/month for highspeed DSL. (995kbps download) So, my entire phone bill is only $30.00 for DSL, long distance on the house phone and fax line. It all works well for me. For my business I also have unlimited cell use with unlimited nationwide calling anytime for only $39/month. But, like you say it is not totally free tv and internet movies but, keep in mind, 2 years ago I was paying $15/month for dial-up!!!! I am just using rabbit ears on my TV set for now and I am sure I could bring in more channels with a better antenna system but, I just don't watch enough tv to make it work trying. I am very happy with what I have now for home and business. I am sure this all varies with location I am sure.
I have to laugh out loud when I get junk mail from the local cable folks trying to get me to sign up for their "package" for $90/month that includes basic cable (15 channels) and broadband internet. They tell me I can then watch videos on the internet if I have broadband. What a rip. For an extra $30/month they will throw in my phone service too.........no thanks.
Bill
@Bill:
If this is the case, then you have most of us beat. You're probably not missing much not having the other channels. I find myself watching the local channels more than anything. Too much TV is bad for anyone, opens yourself up to all the brainwashing....LOL
Take care