The temporal anomalies surrounding objects caught in an event
horizon have been considered for years but IMHO recent claims of
exotic orbital states occuring in the confinement area between
conductive surfaces (casimir exclusion fields)also creates
anomalies. Gas atoms diffused into these cavities
are said to achieve subzero orbital states. I am proposing that just
like the acceleration that causes time to apparently slow down from
our perspective outside the event horizon that the deacceleration
inside an exclusion field causes time to race forward. Again it is
our perspective based on the normal flow of spacetime composed of
vacuum flucuations that we use as a measuring stick. The Casimir
effect is said to exclude longerwavelength flucuations but IMHO it
simply slows the waves -since our "measuring stick" in normal space
is not effected these waves now "appear" shorter / faster to us...
QED claims the waves inside Casimir cavities "upconvert" but I am
saying the waves do nothing, it is the speed of the stream is
changed! From our perspective the waves appear faster even though
the stream is actually being slowed in the same way that a spaceship
sucked into a black hole appears to slow down even though space time
is being accelerated. It seems counterintuitive but remember the
clock rate or measuring stick we employ is an intergal part of the
stream so our perception of time is completely relative. If our
universe were to cross a portion of the time dimension where this
stream moved more slowly we would be unable to detect it because of
this relative measure.
In a Casimir cavity any gas atom will have its' orbital rotate or
shrink without change to its' energy potential. So a hydrogen atom
becomes a hydrino atom and I guess a methane would become a methino.
space time is slower or you could consider it less dense in a
Casimir exclusion field. Like a ship going from fresh to salt water
the ship level changes without ever subtracting ballast (dropping a
shell). The magic here is that there is no reactionary forces to
resist these atoms from diffusing through the fields. It is
translated 90 degrees to the time stream â€"we may be pushing these
orbitals "up against" the plane of our time frame we call the
present like a blackboard character suddenly able to turn 90 degrees
and pin something through the surface of the chalkboard. The point I
wanted to clear up is that Dr Mills', Dr Haisch and Dr Modell all
believe the radius actually gets smaller and radiates energy as soon
as the atom enters the cavity â€" although Dr Mills doesn't
acknowledge any Quantum effects- They then believe nature restores
these orbitals when they diffuse back out of the exclusion field. I
am only an old RCA R&D tech but am convinced they are wrong. IMHO
the atoms do not radiate energy going from Hydrogen to Hydrino â€" the
stream of virtual particles is restricted through our present time
frame in these exclusion fields softening the boundary and allowing
the orbital to twist or submerge away from the normal space outside
the field â€" The boundary changes not the -13.5 eV of the orbital â€"
If they want to call this getting smaller ok but I believe becoming
more distant on the temporal axis would be more accurate. Dr Mills
published data collection indicates that these changes in orbital
values are incremental in nature following the same algorhytm as
normal shells. He claims to have achieved 30 stable shells below
zero state. I am not denying his data or math only one huge
misconception. There is no energy radiated as the orbit gets smaller
on the time axis and the only way to keep the atom from simply
floating back up to normal size is to form a covalent bond with
another atom while as deeply submerged as possible. This radiates
the normal energy of a bonding BUT more importantly it LOCKS the
orbital orientations one against the other in a physical location
normally occupied by the longer vacuum fluctuations.
The molecule is no longer free to translate back up to the surface,
As the new molecule diffuses out of the field the returning longer
flucuations return to find these arrogant little orbitals sitting in
their seat and start to pile up on the orbital boundary trying to
push them back to what we consider the surface in normal space but
the covalent bond refuses to let them budge it.
froarty
Very eloquently said. But the average IQ here (even though above average) may not understand what you mean. Talk like if we where students, not professors. Only those who live that life of talk can truly understand that type of talk. ;) Shorter and to the point with frames of references is the best way here.
Thanks JMHO
Mr. Hammer,
Speak for yourself, I understood every thing he said.
And I completely agree with his assessment of the IMHO.
...unless the boundary conditions exceed the bonding force
which would produce the signature Black Light plasma.
If Mills' was able to extract some of these hydrinos in
a stable state he would have a ready made space drive.
Drive the hydrinos through coiled tubing and let the boundary
conditions scratch and tear at space time.
http://www.byzipp.com/energy/
8)
Quote from: froarty on February 13, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
The temporal anomalies surrounding objects caught in an event
horizon have been considered for years but IMHO recent claims of
exotic orbital states occuring in the confinement area between
conductive surfaces (casimir exclusion fields)also creates
anomalies. Gas atoms diffused into these cavities
are said to achieve subzero orbital states. I am proposing that just
like the acceleration that causes time to apparently slow down from
our perspective outside the event horizon that the deacceleration
inside an exclusion field causes time to race forward. Again it is
our perspective based on the normal flow of spacetime composed of
vacuum flucuations that we use as a measuring stick. The Casimir
effect is said to exclude longerwavelength flucuations but IMHO it
simply slows the waves -since our "measuring stick" in normal space
is not effected these waves now "appear" shorter / faster to us...
QED claims the waves inside Casimir cavities "upconvert" but I am
saying the waves do nothing, it is the speed of the stream is
changed!
Does this mean then that the total energy within the cavity increases? Not unreasonable since the sides of the cavity had to be pushed close together.
Quote from: froarty on February 13, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
From our perspective the waves appear faster even though
the stream is actually being slowed in the same way that a spaceship
sucked into a black hole appears to slow down even though space time
is being accelerated. It seems counterintuitive but remember the
clock rate or measuring stick we employ is an intergal part of the
stream so our perception of time is completely relative. If our
universe were to cross a portion of the time dimension where this
stream moved more slowly we would be unable to detect it because of
this relative measure.
In a Casimir cavity any gas atom will have its' orbital rotate or
shrink without change to its' energy potential. So a hydrogen atom
becomes a hydrino atom and I guess a methane would become a methino.
space time is slower or you could consider it less dense in a
Casimir exclusion field.
Wouldn't space time be faster due to the increased frequency and more dense for the same reason? That's assuming I understood your first paragraph correctly, that you're saying that the long waves are still there (which I think would be the case too) but have been altered to become shorter waves. If I misunderstood then I withdraw my question.
In any case, this certainly stimulates some interesting thinking.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Quote from: brian334 on February 13, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
Mr. Hammer,
Speak for yourself, I understood every thing he said.
And I completely agree with his assessment of the IMHO.
Greetings brian334
Yes, I am in agreement as well, as far as I can tell without some checking and scrutinizing. I found it very eloquently said as i stated. And there are allot of people here which will have no problem understanding, but what of the rest who may not understand but would like to know more about it? Please don't take my statement as an insult, it was not meant to be.
I suggest making the metal plates copper coated with uranium. The plates must be extremely close together. The closer the better. As the uranium decays the particles it gives off will bounce back and forth between the copper plates occasional forcing a electron out.
Quote from: Steven Dufresne on February 13, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
Does this mean then that the total energy within the cavity increases? Not unreasonable since the sides of the cavity had to be pushed close together.
No, there is no change. I had a feeling when I used an analogy of fresh to salt water and a "softening" of the boundary or "density" of space for the orbit to submerge into I was asking for trouble. I suspect that virtual particles are incompressible yet the stream they form can accelerate in an event horizon or be restricted in a narrow gap between conductive surfaces. The energy/orbital is simply distributed further into the temporal axis meaning that the quadric volume of the exclusion field is making up for the lost space in the cubic volume. We normally only consider cubic volume in normal space because our time frame is so narrow that the temporal vector is negligible just like a blackboard figure would only consider square area unaware of a 3rd dimension. My point is that as these conductive plates get closer and closer the quadric volume expands suggesting that if these "skiny" molecules remain stable they could be recycled through secondary stages to form more complex "skiny" macro molecules. probably would tear themselves apart but even so nature restores everyone to monatomic energy levels and you just made a better thermal rectifier(which is all the dihydrino amounts to).Quote from: Steven Dufresne on February 13, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
Wouldn't space time be faster due to the increased frequency and more dense for the same reason? That's assuming I understood your first paragraph correctly, that you're saying that the long waves are still there (which I think would be the case too) but have been altered to become shorter waves. If I misunderstood then I withdraw my question.
How about a trig analogy and gravity ... if we try to accelerate away from the planent in normal space we PAY 9.8 m/s^2 but if we could navigate at 45 degrees between normal and the time axis gravity would be half and from the perspective of normal space we would appear to be very fast even though we are traveling slower through the time axis than normal space - likewise the slower moving time stream in the exclusion field appears faster to our differential perception.[/b]
Froarty,
you seem to be a clever person.
May I suggest you use your analytical mind to look at solving the Bessler Wheel.
www.besslerwheel.com
If anyone could do it I believe you may stand a chance. At least with the Bessler Wheel you can achieve a tangible outcome and still focus on gravity as an area of interest.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Portal:Clues
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20
etc
QuoteI had a feeling when I used an analogy of fresh to salt water and a "softening" of the boundary or "density" of space for the orbit to submerge into I was asking for trouble. I suspect that virtual particles are incompressible yet the stream they form can accelerate in an event horizon or be restricted in a narrow gap between conductive surfaces. The energy/orbital is simply distributed further into the temporal axis meaning that the quadric volume of the exclusion field is making up for the lost space in the cubic volume.
I often wondered how they moved the Island.....and based on this new information, I don't see how the rest of us should not feel fully justified in laying the blame at the feet of Casimir, and Froarty.
Quick!....Everyone back on the Island!
LOL
TS
Quote from: froarty on February 13, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
No, there is no change. I had a feeling when I used an analogy of fresh to salt water and a "softening" of the boundary or "density" of space for the orbit to submerge into I was asking for trouble. I suspect that virtual particles are incompressible yet the stream they form can accelerate in an event horizon or be restricted in a narrow gap between conductive surfaces. The energy/orbital is simply distributed further into the temporal axis meaning that the quadric volume of the exclusion field is making up for the lost space in the cubic volume. We normally only consider cubic volume in normal space because our time frame is so narrow that the temporal vector is negligible just like a blackboard figure would only consider square area unaware of a 3rd dimension. My point is that as these conductive plates get closer and closer the quadric volume expands suggesting that if these "skiny" molecules remain stable they could be recycled through secondary stages to form more complex "skiny" macro molecules. probably would tear themselves apart but even so nature restores everyone to monatomic energy levels and you just made a better thermal rectifier(which is all the dihydrino amounts to).
How about a trig analogy and gravity ... if we try to accelerate away from the planent in normal space we PAY 9.8 m/s^2 but if we could navigate at 45 degrees between normal and the time axis gravity would be half and from the perspective of normal space we would appear to be very fast even though we are traveling slower through the time axis than normal space - likewise the slower moving time stream in the exclusion field appears faster to our differential perception.[/b]
Interesting. So instead of an energy increase as I'd expected, there's a temporal change. And it wasn't your "analogy of fresh to salt water and a "softening" of the boundary or "density" of space for the orbit to submerge into" that caused trouble. I don't know the details of the standard model as wll as you do but instead as I was reading I was applying the wave structure of matter (WSM) model (and I'm not sure I was applying that correctly sinc eI don't think anyone's tried deriving the Casimir effect from it.) In WSM, the long waves also would not be excluded, I think. That's why I was able to follow most of what you'd written using that model.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Quote from: DrWhat on February 14, 2009, 06:17:08 AM
Froarty,
you seem to be a clever person.
May I suggest you use your analytical mind to look at solving the Bessler Wheel.
www.besslerwheel.com
If anyone could do it I believe you may stand a chance. At least with the Bessler Wheel you can achieve a tangible outcome and still focus on gravity as an area of interest.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Portal:Clues
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20
etc
DrWhat , this is EXTREMELY speculative but I have considered the legends that a pyramid block could be scooted sideways 2 bowlengths by agitating it with a special horn like device then yanking out the special papyrus blocks that it had to be elevated on before each iteration. instead of an open exclusion field If we consider the case for a "closed" cavity formed of trapped air in a porous conductive powder like calcium in limestone blocks then a portion of the cavity will meet casimir geometry and if the trapped gas could be agitated to disassociate we have a similar case to the hydrino being produced only not being combustible hydrogen it would have better opportunity for the newly formed or reformed molecule to exit the cavity stable. a stable molecule that is skiny in our space but fat on the temporal axis would support that legend and your wheel. It is basically a space drive kit -just add coiled tubing and pump these molecules through the coil to claw at space but that is TAKING energy and you asked about CAPTURING energy. Now here is where it gets good :_) I think I already made my case for the time stream and gravity being the same just different length vacuum flux are perceived temporally or gravitationally active so the future is always "above" us and the past "below" us. Our egyptian friends didn't add any significant energy by agitating the block but they may have clued us in on just how thin a single time frame is and how slow the river of time is actually flowing through normal space. these "fat" molecules will normally orient down to present a profile of least resistance to the time stream but when agitated a certain fraction of them will be driven sideways into the stream and interleaving themselves between the virtual particles. I am interpreting their need to elevate the block before initiation because this interleaving of the fat molecule in the time stream will resist vertical movement in either direction up or down but not resist horizontal - like a thin pin cushion between two curtains that is suddenly turned sideways it pierces the curtains on either side and can not move up or down but is allowed to swing sideways with the curtain. If true they literally created a "sky hook" and this method might be leveraged into your swinging counter weights but I'll leave you to work that one out. I didn't look into it deeply but you might look for materials he used that would contain natural exclusion fields - either cavities like skeletal catalysts and conductive powders or external fields between crystal facets like sand. You have to look for how he is translating the reactionary forces onto the temporal axis. He has to be creating boundary conditions between the orbitals in his weights or balances and a method to turn them on and off ... hope I gave you a head start but like I said this REAL speculative
Fran