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Title: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 07, 2009, 06:30:55 PM

The question has always been on my mind that why did Stan use tubes in his WFC.
You see, if there was just the capacitive seperation he wanted, typical flat panels would
have been much simpler to make.

I don't think it was simply for aesthetic reasons either.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
AhuraMazda

Shared hear[OverUnity] by the user the BUZZ

ALLLLLLLLLLLLL.....of Meyers Stuff     on yahoo    stanmeyerfulldata,pdf

Chet
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: CrazyEwok on March 08, 2009, 09:13:49 PM
Hey Ahura,
In most cases i have seen it is thought he used tubes for harmonic reasons. No-one really knows the reason why he used tubes people speculate and throw around their ideas like they do know but for all we or anyone else knows its because he liked the look of them or it might of been that tubes were cheaper at the time or any number of reasons. until someone actually figures it out and doesn't get shut down by the powers that be before they can release replicatable plans we are all on a level playing field as to why. Personally i think that it was a varible control thing. Its easier to test one tube doing work and then simply replicate more tubes to get more results. as with plates you start to get more reactions happening with the more plates you have. But thats my opinion.
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 08, 2009, 11:18:02 PM
I am of the strong opinion that there was something in the central tube like a coil or something else.
Meyer was very adament that the material had to be non-magnetic.
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: cwyong on March 09, 2009, 05:12:49 AM
Urgent

I found that using a PWM circuit can also produce the HHO gas. In the PWM circuit, there have integrator circuit. May anyone or who knows can tell me the purpose of integrator in this circuit.

thanks
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 09, 2009, 09:43:08 AM

What circuit?
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 09, 2009, 09:46:40 AM
QUESTION:

How do you subject water to 1 or 2 KV without taking pulling huge current?

Again I think Meyer was using high voltages in the WFC.
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: cwyong on March 09, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on March 09, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
What circuit?


is a simple PWM circuit that can found from internet. Who can tell me the function of integrator in that circuit?
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 10, 2009, 08:15:06 AM
Interesting concept. I never considered it this way but still, both tubes can not be at same potential.
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: dankie on March 10, 2009, 06:26:57 PM
Yes  this is the case , nice information .

Meyers doest not rely on "harmonics" or "resonance" or voltage for that matter , I can tell you the key to this is the technique . I will not say more than this or describe how the VIC is connected and wound and/or tapped (if at all)  . But I will confirm to you that Meyers method does work and that you have touched something major .

analysing possibilities is a major factor here .

Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
HMMM..

Mr Dankie

You are getting there ,Very almost nice ,However Loner is a MONSTER in the  free energy world
A true humanitarian, perhaps he should visit mouserebellion.com  where true humanitarians are getting it done

Chet
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: dankie on March 11, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
Hi Loner

I believe that can be solved by delrin spool .

It would also be a good idea to buy some quality isolation wire , once you get those high magnetics you are after you will notice that the wire will vibrate and litterally cut and burn off and short out  .
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Loner

I apologize for seeming to put you in the limelight, or on the spot ,however bud, you are at the top of the class in the O U community.please pay a visit to the http://mouserebellion.com/

Chet
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: gammablok on March 12, 2009, 11:00:18 PM
Meyer used tubes so he could suspend the center tube by a spring in order to allow it to vibrate freely at the charging choke and tube length tuned frequency or harmonic thereof.
Also, the mystery behind the diode is not a mystery. Check out D' Qing diode. It blocks the charging choke from discharging into the secondary of the stepup transformer.  Common circuits that use this are radar power supplies with pulsed forming networks (PFN)

Ok guys, build away.

Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: CrazyEwok on March 13, 2009, 12:51:19 AM
lol... And dankie can provide you with a great portion of his magical wire for just 4 easy payments... PFFT
I am sure that there is out there a lot of people with more knowledge on this topic than others but there are people in this forum (and other forums) that are acting like a teacher in a class with a book with all the answers in their hands. IF YOU HAVE A WORKING MODEL THAT HAS SO MUCH OUTPUT THEN PUT YOUR PLANS UP FOR ALL TO SEE... not everyone wants a perfected model. Just one that has even good gains and repeatable outcomes. I urge everyone, especially since this forums has so many members, to take any advise good/bad from people here with a pinch of salt and on a french fry unless they can give you something substantial like video evidence that explains what you want to do on something they have completed... sick and tired of people claiming others are so close with no postings or anything to do with proving they know what they are talking about... and about the inner tube on a "spring" you would need some sort of brace/guide to make sure that the tubes didn't short circut (unless that is desired). which would cause friction which would (by some of the laws of physics) would waste energy on friction. if that is your idea excellent can't wait to see how you overcome the energy wasted on friction or wear and tear.
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: Dave45 on March 13, 2009, 01:07:54 AM
ya never know someone should try it, explore all possibility's
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: gammablok on March 13, 2009, 01:16:04 AM
Use 3 nylon tapped screws at each end of the outer tube with a small gap to center the center tube. Works well. Too bad its not my idea.

Can we get serious with useful discussion now?
Title: Re: Why did Meyer use tubes in his WFC tecnnology
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 14, 2009, 08:17:41 AM
This is an illustration by sirhoax. I think it is nearly there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUO5WMImrbM&feature=channel_page