Not my vid, interesting thou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398
and
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MYLOW121363&view=videos
Interesting. Has a lot of Moment of Inertia, so it might just be barely OU, but nevertheless interesting.
I asked him to not disasemble that one and try to replicate it before any "improvement". These self moving flukes are really scarce and he got lucky this time, so let's see if he can do it again from scratch before going to any conclusion.
That's indeed cool. What amazes me more is the negative rating he has been receiving for the work in progress videos. Looks like desertphile and his gang were having fun. Youtube is as ignorant as these bunches.
This seems very plausible.
All right you guys with all the great shop tools, get building please!
Laterzzz,
Jeff
Quote from: X00013 on March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM
Not my vid, interesting thou http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0
Hi X00013
Nice find. It will be interesting to see replications. A bit pricey too with all those AlNiCo channel mags + Al disk + ballbearings + adaptors.
Thanks for posting.
Does anyone recognise the color coded marking dots inside the rotor magnet channels?
Groups of three magnets?
One of the groups is four.
I notice three different colors of dots. Sorry, no clue about the color meanings.
update video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo&feature=channel_page
Hi X00013,
Great find, mate. Haven’t followed this area for a while ... been busy with other stuff but, hey, it pays to lurk from time to time here. Thanks again.
I already exchanged several pm’s with the guy who tried to tell me that he can’t claim anything because in this way he’ll infringe on the patent recipient’s interest (I’m almost repeating his words.) However, I replied, Howard Johnson’s patent is more than 30 years old and therefore it has already expired let alone that no commercial application is had in mind so that settles the matter. Anyway, I think if that’s what we see then MYLOW121363 is the man. As we all know many have put forth ideas and many have shown videos of seemingly working models but no one so far has been able to have it verified by the community. Should we put our trust in that device hoping that it finally would be the answer? Only time will show. And, of course, if that’s confirmed credit should go solely to MYLOW121363 and to nobody else.
Impressive, and as always, hard to replicate because of the magnets shape.
The guy seems honest. And yet we have been there so many times before.
Any one seen the c magnets before??
scroll down to page 7
http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/products/alnico/pdf/sacatrev.pdf
X00013 - interesting video. Out of the thousands of bs OU vids on the tube, this one is of unusual interest.
The 'odd' shaped magnets used may be resulting in a useful effect.
The thing about the Howard Johnson designs, like his more known motor, is the 'odd'/arced shaped magnets supposedly required to work. Custom ordering/designing magnets to achieve the same effects as Johnson reported would be expensive and a crap shoot at getting the specs right.
As such, replications have been slim-to-none. Anyone have any other links/examples/etc. of reproductions of Johnson's designs?
Howard Johnsons granted patent for the permanent magnet motor-
US Patent # : 4,151,431 April, 1979
Anything I've ever read on this design state it as unworkable....
But the ideas presented in the patent and the youtube video link you gave don't seem IMPOSSIBLE.
Anyone willing to do some FEMM simulations and post them/pics?
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Thanks for the link OC
Alnico magnets are relatively easily to be demagnetized and are relatively low gauss.
The coercive force of AlNiCo magnets is very low , so it can be easily affected by reverse magnetic force, and/or impact. This means that they can be easily demagnetized by external influences.
'AlNiCo magnets should not be stored and packed with the same poles opposing each other.'
In the video, he states his stator magnet became demagnetized. Must be an alnico magnet as well and will probably see it continuing to demagnetize unless he changes the material of that magnet.
Any sources for these rotor shaped magnets in something like N42 rare earth etc?
The stator magnet could be something like this?
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=15&products_id=289
Hello Paul -
Yes - it's probably - what - 99% chance it's not legit? (100% so far!)
But it's just about the only one I've ever seen over the years that I wasn't able to fairly quickly say it was 100% chance of bs. :)
(and I've always thought Howard Johnson had some interesting ideas)
Watched/listened again....
I hear a 'motor' noise you may be referring to. However, I also hear a car horn and traffic noises, so it may be vehicle noise?
At 1:32 you hear what sounds like an electric motor powering up. Or could be a car/motorcycle?
And then he talks....
Again at 2:23 the 'motor noise' and shortly after it starts to spin.
But while its spinning there is no motor noise.
At 2:51 there is a car horn.
Most the video of it spinning there doesn't appear to be 'motor noise'
But the sound at 2:23 IS/COULD BE suspicious?
But the lack of 'motor noise' for most of the video/spinning/start-up could be an indication the other sounds are background sounds?
(Certainly a better video with a larger view the whole time would be of benefit!)
What do you think?
Like I said everyone, build it, great, but only do so for the education and *please* don't get *any* hopes up. The start-up sound just seconds before he spins this motor is very clear. Whoever is paying these people should perhaps spend a bit more time finding people who can do a better job. I'd imagine it takes an intense field to remotely move that machine even though the friction is very low. Perhaps he should retake the video standing back a bit. That may get rid of the obvious background sound from the hidden device.
PL
No matter how careful the analysis of the video, as in any other case, unless someone else such as X00013, CLaNZeR etc. reproduces what we see in the vid, especially the self-starting and a sustained motion for, say, an hour, this will go down the annals of overunity.com as another claim of a wishful thinker, to say it mildly. He’s promising to redo it, made of transparent materials and shot from different angles. That’s OK but nothing can substitute reproducing it by an independent party. We’ll worry about degaussing later, that’s not the problem in a yes or no situation such as this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevKJ18pZQQ&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevKJ18pZQQ&feature=channel_page)
Update ;D
I'm going to wait for more MYLOW video's before attempting a duplicate. The parts will be less than 20 bucks. One smal problem is finding a local servive to magnetize the rotor magnets in the orientation that he claims he has done. Cant buy'm like that.
X00013, there's a facility in Worcester, MA I used to visit to have my magnets conditioned. They were very helpful but it was a while ago and I don't have the details now. Will see what I can do to find out more and will get back to you asap.
Omnibus, very good,Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ZtSiEHmUU
Spinning for 11 hours already ... No, the lamp isn't the source ...
We're too burnt out to believe it, correct (the continuous production of excess energy, that is; the reality of the discontinuous production of excess energy I've already proven conclusively)? And this is where the modern search for these motors has begun -- Howard Johnson. We're back at square one, right? Of course, if that's real MYLOW131263 will go down in the annals of history as the first to have demonstrated it. This would be a singular achievement.
"We're too burnt out to believe it,"
Some understanding of what has to happen in such things is the why, not a burn out, The story has holes in it.
The device itself is interesting yet it sits on an cabinet that easy could be transferring vibration, in which the stator arm would assist in doing. We also see a stereo in the area that has a field and vibration and so on. Also a touch lamp.
Were it appears that he may have some thing, the destruction of the magnet is an interesting effect of this. Such in itself could be a cause of the effect.
Again a game of time will tell.
No, the destruction of the magnet is not one bit interesting. Also, everything else you mention is to be discareded as a source of energy. The reason why it has been turning for 11 hours, if that's really the case, is non-trivial and that's the real truth. What remains now is to have independent parties verify that it't really doing what's been claimed and that's gonna be it.
Trivial on a balanced to an unbalanced system game?? I will just have to disagree with you on that one. I do not discarded potential energy sources.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 18, 2009, 01:33:59 PM
No, the destruction of the magnet is not one bit interesting. Also, everything else you mention is to be discareded as a source of energy. The reason why it has been turning for 11 hours, if that's really the case, is non-trivial and that's the real truth. What remains now is to have independent parties verify that it't really doing what's been claimed and that's gonna be it.
The real problem is whether or not it really does what is claimed in the video -- running for 11, even 27 hours in a self-sustaining mode. No external radio stations, touch lamps or Earth vibrations can nearly supply anything close to the energy required for such run. No way. The nature of the excess energy, if that self-sustaining spinning is real, is non-trivial and is the same as the nature of the discontinuous excess energy whose reality I have already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's "energy from nothing", that is from no previously existing energy source which is only due to a proper construction of the device taking advantage of existing conservative force fields (pre-existing force isn't energy, right?)
Quote from: capthook on March 18, 2009, 04:27:20 AM
Watched/listened again....
I hear a 'motor' noise you may be referring to. However, I also hear a car horn and traffic noises, so it may be vehicle noise?
At 1:32 you hear what sounds like an electric motor powering up. Or could be a car/motorcycle?
And then he talks....
Again at 2:23 the 'motor noise' and shortly after it starts to spin.
But while its spinning there is no motor noise.
At 2:51 there is a car horn.
Most the video of it spinning there doesn't appear to be 'motor noise'
But the sound at 2:23 IS/COULD BE suspicious?
But the lack of 'motor noise' for most of the video/spinning/start-up could be an indication the other sounds are background sounds?
(Certainly a better video with a larger view the whole time would be of benefit!)
What do you think?
Hi,
The noise is something accelerating a few seconds before he starts the johnson machine. He just made a big mistake, that's all because as you noted, in every case the noise is there just before he starts spinning the johnson machine.
This effect is akin to when a powerful electric motor is started up. It's due to the high current because the electric motor is not producing a back voltage because it's not up to speed. As the electric motor rpm increases, the driving current decreases.
I think the guy will fix this in future videos because anyone legit and perceptive observer will clearly pick up on this video and see it for as it is, and not want to spend time and $ to replicate it, unless only for educational purposes. Just please don't get your hopes up at all!
You have no idea how much I look forward to the day when science evolves to the point where a time camera is possible. Then you people will see what's happening. These people/thugs will go down in history.
PL
That will soon become clear if the guy allows for an independent observation of his claims. If not, too bad. Just placing videos on youtube won't cut the mustard and he'll soon find out how much he's wasting his time (ours too) by simply doing that. By now he should know better. Well, there are always those who still think their tricks are worth it. We'll see. Only time will tell.
Hey, attack duck, don't hijack the thread with your nonsense. It isn't at all obvious that you're the good guy and I'm the bad one, so don't waste your time on that.
QuoteI think the guy will fix this in future videos because anyone legit and perceptive observer will clearly pick up on this video and see it for as it is, and not want to spend time and $ to replicate it, unless only for educational purposes. Just please don't get your hopes up at all!
Why do you think he's doing that, if you're so convinced it's another fake?
I've posted a feature page over at PESWiki on this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Mangetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design
Shortcut:
http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW
Discussion list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo
I did a few screen grabs to show the different components. Working on an animated gif.
Pretty neat stuff. I look forward to you guy replicating this.
Feel free to post your results over on our site at PESWiki (publicly editable).
Here's the opening text for the page:
YouTube user "MYLOW121363" (hereafter "Mylow") of Chicago has apparently successfully replicated the late Howard Johnson's all-magnet motor, Stonehenge model, that Johnson worked on in the early 1980s to demonstrate to the U.S. Patent Office. Mylow purposely kept his replication as close as possible to Johnson's design.
Mylow claims it has run 26 hours continuous in one setting. His replica begins to turn once the single stator horseshoe (U-shaped) magnet comes close to the rotor magnets on the perimeter of the rotor. The rotor spins up to a certain speed and does not go any faster. The speed limit could be due to an eddy current interaction between the stator magnet and the rotating aluminum rotor. If the rotor was changed out for plastic or brass, then it might continue to accelerate.
Mylow says he has seen some deceleration over time. Perhaps the energy supporting continued rotation is a function of the magnet gradually giving up its magnetism, like a battery. He had the stator magnet remagnetized, and the motor worked again.
The rotor consists of sets of 7 Alnico magnets attached to an aluminum disc with crazy glue. There is a gap between each set. He plans to fill the larger gap (that appears as of at least March 17, 2009) with another two sets of seven magnets. The aluminum disc rides on a high precision ball bearing that was forged at his brother's workshop. The single stator magnet (also U-shaped) is glued to the bottom of an aluminum bar that is mounted on top of two wooden stands.
On March 17, 2009, Mylow said he will be presenting documentation, schematics, drawings and instructions to allow others to replicate this motor. [1]
"I've been working on this idea of his for a very long time. All the credit goes out to him [the late Howard Johnson] and whoever owns that patent." -- Mylow
Again, no accent whatsoever should be put on whether or not there is degaussing of the magnets. That cannot be the energy source driving the motor even if there's such degaussing.What really needs to be understood is whether or not this is a self-starter sustaining its run for a sufficient time (11, even 27 hours claimed).
Why on Earth would he wanna do this, make multiple videos of an externally powered device pretending it's a self-runner? Besides, 11, let alone 27 hours of self-sustained run is far too long for a decelerating motor.
No, it doesn't. Why would he want to cheat in view of the fact that nowadays "liar, liar pants on fire" is easier than ever to be deservedly hanged on any overunity fraudster (recall @alsetalokin).
Also, what do you mean by this: "See the mathematical proof based on well-established conventional physics." What mathematical proof?
I disagree, the answer isn't at all obvious. What does he stand to gain by such allegedly blatant lying?
As for the "mathematical proof" it will take me some time to see what you have in mind by that in your text on magnetism. Diode array text is to be discussed elsewhere.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 18, 2009, 04:00:43 PM
I disagree, the answer isn't at all obvious. What does he stand to gain by such allegedly blatant lying?
Are you truly telling me the following thought did not come to mind? -->
* Person replicates the device.
* They have high hopes.
* It costs them $ and time.
* It does not work.
* Person become frustrated and angry.
* After repeating the above, numerous times, the person becomes burnt out, wants nothing to do with this "free energy" community.
PL
Sounds about right, LOL Though in reality such is usualy some sort of out side input that is not know to the individual at the time.
The other one is that they believe and by faking it hope some one will correct the lock points by replication that they can not. Just a couple of things that come to mind.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 18, 2009, 04:09:47 PM
Are you truly telling me the following thought did not come to mind? -->
* Person replicates the device.
* They have high hopes.
* It costs them $ and time.
* It does not work.
* Person become frustrated and angry.
* After repeating the above, numerous times, the person becomes burnt out, wants nothing to do with this "free energy" community.
PL
Yes, but why the fraud?
I have many times asked myself why every inventor of a free energy device claims that all the parts MUST look EXACTLY like that. You MUST have 2,00617720333012844 inch radius in the magnet to make this work, or else it is impossible to replicate. And the best of all; The pictures of the device looks like a kinder garden project, someone unluckily used the chainsaw on a piece of particle board and drilled 100 holes in it. Glued the magnets with strawberry gum, and decorated the rotor with metal pieces. In the same sentence, the inventor also claims that he has disassambled the machine, and have lost the drawings. Who the f¤&/%uck want to destroy a free energy device he's built? It smells fish through the computer screen, and all the way to Maura in Norway. God bless the kids ;D
I understand that many inventors whished his device should work, and do something stupid like using an external motor to run the thing - even batteries are used.
Anyway, I'll make my motor - just for educational purposes :)
Br.
Vidar
Wow even belittling people that show videos as proof are we? He showed every part and explained everything, still not good enough?
But your inventions are holy and other people's work is dirt,right?
Pl I didn't suspect this high skepticism from you. Actually a bit like low-q. You guys have produced nothing with your ideas but are very quick to belittle someone who has. This is the behavior that keeps mankind in the stone ages.
Call me when it can power my house. That's all that matters on this forum and you know it. And you seem to have forgotten who I am, I was an avid follower of your work.
Quote from: broli on March 18, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
Wow even belittling people that show videos as proof are we? He showed every part and explained everything, still not good enough?
But your inventions are holy and other people's work is dirt,right?
My point wasn't exactly that. Also I have never claimed anything of my "work" as OU or free energy devices. So I have never put a video on youtube with a claimed running motor. I have one animation, poor one, with an explanation on how this MIGHT work. And it took only 5 hours before some youtuber called me an idiot ;D. So here I am - an idiot, and no better than anyone in this forum, or on you tube for that matter.
But nevertheless, I am a hunter for free energy, and will be unstoppable till my death in search of free energy. But it is also allowed to discuss others work or intentions without being attacked for no objective reasons. Well, I wasn't very objective in my previous post - sorry. It will probably never happen again.
I enjoy most of both yours and others approach to free energy, but sometimes one bumps into persons who take their selves too cermonious and are often offended by allmost nothing - and I respect that.
God bless you and all other members here in the search for free energy. Do not give up, but stop believing that magnets are the solution to the energy crises on this brittle planet.
br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on March 18, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
My point wasn't exactly that. Also I have never claimed anything of my "work" as OU or free energy devices. So I have never put a video on youtube with a claimed running motor. I have one animation, poor one, with an explanation on how this MIGHT work. And it took only 5 hours before some youtuber called me an idiot ;D. So here I am - an idiot, and no better than anyone in this forum, or on you tube for that matter.
But nevertheless, I am a hunter for free energy, and will be unstoppable till my death in search of free energy. But it is also allowed to discuss others work or intentions without being attacked for no objective reasons. Well, I wasn't very objective in my previous post - sorry. It will probably never happen again.
I enjoy most of both yours and others approach to free energy, but sometimes one bumps into persons who take their selves too cermonious and are often offended by allmost nothing - and I respect that.
God bless you and all other members here in the search for free energy. Do not give up, but stop believing that magnets are the solution to the energy crises on this brittle planet.
br.
Vidar
Your post was beautiful until you ruined it all at the end. I wanted to compliment you on your patience with me but I changed my mind after that last sentence.
Quote from: broli on March 18, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
Your post was beautiful until you ruined it all at the end. I wanted to compliment you on your patience with me but I changed my mind after that last sentence.
Looking forward to your proof, and result of your unapproachable skills of mathematics. God bless you anyway, but please stay objective!!!
Vidar
I think his video just posted 29 minutes ago is by far the most impressive -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc
Although he still hasn't answered key questions posted by various people in the youtube page, and has not address any issues I have with his videos.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 18, 2009, 07:11:03 PM
I think his video just posted 29 minutes ago is by far the most impressive -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc
Although he still hasn't answered key questions posted by various people in the youtube page, and has not address any issues I have with his videos.
Whoops, I spoke too soon! I just put on the head phones and can clearly hear something start spinning a few seconds before his hand releases the disc to allow his machine to spin. Legit researchers, put on some good headphones. I saved the video on my drive in case he changes or deletes it. Skip to around 3:25, and then at 3:35 you can clearly hear the hidden motor start spinning, and at 3:40 he nudges the PM's just enough so they start to move. He keeps it's running from there.
PL
Very interesting.
My question is - why did he not show the motor slowing down when he moves the stator magnet away..
He seems to use the wood as a break and a stop as if it would not eventualy stop on its own.
He shows in an other video there is no 'sticky' spot with just a few magnets. That part would be
very inexpensive to replicate as far as magnet costs.
Bill
can someone please get PL off this thread? something fun and at least entertaining is happening from mylow and all PL can do is say 'look at me, look at me, look at me'.....
how about shut the f-up....
your diode and math work may be valid, but this is not the place for it....
Sorry, I should said Brake.. not break.
It sounds like a dishwasher or someone turning water on and off to me in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc
Bill
He re posted an old video showing it does not lock on the out go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc
To me, the heat cycle is real, but from there it gets real deep, to compare this to magnetics is hard to do, hot and cold versus poles on a magnet. The push pull of magnet "a" on magnet "b" at same distance shows a difference of "c". c is pe.
OK, back to the wheel now. Any definate layout of the magnets?
thay
Just posted at http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW
March 18, 2009; 8:45-10:25 pm Mountain
I just got off the phone with Mylow, who phoned me. We talked for nearly 1:45 hours. He gave me all the dimensions and parameters as he has information available. I will be posting that. Interesting stuff. He is to be congratulated on his breakthrough."
I need to go help my wife fold some laundry, then I'll post the specs to the site.
As far as I understand he's going to post shortly the blueprints and the details about the magnets.
I think PL has a point. He is very observant, have good common sense, and there should be no reason that he isn't right about he's observations. You should try it someday - not ignore the sounds vs. video, the posibilities for this video, among many, to be a fake. But most guys here have so strong hope, including myself, so it is hard tp realize the defeat when you are told to be observant to important issues about why this video, or others, MIGHT be a fake. Hope and exitement isnt enough to make truth, you also have to spend a lot of commen sense and be more critical than naive - including myself.
Vidar.
My God, sterlinga, you and Mylow should make folks such as myself feel pretty bad. He’s saving the world while trying to protect his wife’s table from being scratched by his machine, you’re helping your wife fold the laundry, keeping us waiting for the details of the device that would save the world ...
Just kiddin’
Sterlinga
I'll come over and fold the laundry
Chet
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2009, 12:43:04 AM
My God, sterlinga, you and Mylow should make folks such as myself feel pretty bad. He’s saving the world while trying to protect his wife’s table from being scratched by his machine, you’re helping your wife fold the laundry, keeping us waiting for the details of the device that would save the world ...
Just kiddin’
Geniuses always do strange things. They don't care about world's safe but care their wives much. I'm still patient to wait sterlinga finishes his housework ;D
Quote from: ramset on March 19, 2009, 12:57:03 AM
Sterlinga
I'll come over and fold the laundry
Chet
Chet, Can you do fold the laundry for sterlinga until someone got the first HJ motor replication successfully?
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2009, 12:34:05 AMMarch 18, 2009; 8:45-10:25 pm Mountain
I just got off the phone with Mylow, who phoned me. We talked for nearly 1:45 hours. He gave me all the dimensions and parameters as he has information available. I will be posting that. Interesting stuff. He is to be congratulated on his breakthrough."
Here's the link to my report: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/7
Here's our page:
http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW
I'll quote my report here:
NOTE: This is a rough draft. I have not yet passed it by Mylow to make sure it is accurate.
REPORT OF MY PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MYLOW THIS EVENING
March 19, 2009, midnight
Mylow has been tackling the attempt to duplicate the Howard Johnson design since it was first featured in Popular Mechanics nearly 30 years ago.
After years of trial and error, pouring over everything he could find on the subject, he said that he noticed that there were differences between the Howard Johnson patents and the photos that exist of the actual devices. He decided to go with the photos rather than the patents.
It was just about a month ago that he was in the Science and Surplus store in Chicago that he stumbled into a box of C/U - shaped alnico magnets, noticed that they resembled Howard Johnson's magnets, and purchased them for around $25.
I asked him if he is sure that the rotor and stator magnets he is using are alnico magnets. He said he is 100% sure, because that is what was on the purchase receipt. He thought they looked like they may have come from an older hard drive design, or possibly they were used in old 8-track players to erase the tape.
These rotor magnets are polarization with N on the two tip ends and S being on the back side.
[see image below]
They are quite small: just 1" inch tall, 1/4" wide, and 1/4" thick. The protrusions at the top and bottom of the C (or top left and right of the U) are 1/8" in length. They have a shine to them similar to a neodymium magnet.
Not realizing this was a synchronicity, he assumed one could find these anywhere. That's why he made a comment to that effect in one of the earlier videos.
The stator magnet, also alnico (is stamped "G5") is one he's had kicking around for quite some time. Referring to the up-side-down U orientation of the magnet, the magnet is 1" long from the bottom far left to the bottom far right. The bottom left and bottom right legs of the up-side-down U are 1/4" wide each. The magnet is 13/16" deep. The dimension from the bottom to the very top of the arc of the up-side-down U is 5/8" high. The dimension from the bottom of the up-side-down U to the bottom of the arc is 3/8" high.
In giving these dimensions that Mylow was reading off the tape measure as we were on the phone, I should mention that he has a bit of a struggle with the tape measure as to what is 1/8 and what is 1/16. I was able to establish that his tape measure is broken into 1/16 increments as the smallest marking. He would then tell me the dimensions in terms of "1/2 plus two of those little marks". Please don't get on Mylow's case for having a challenge with this thing that is so easy to most of us. Remember that some people who appear to be challenged in easy things, are usually compensated by superior talent in other areas, such as intuition or following hunches. For those of you working up schematics from these numbers, it would be good to refer to the still shots of the videos Mylow has provided in order to get proper proportions.
Mylow said that there is a shop near him that he takes his stator magnet to re-magnetize it. He said they have a big electromagnet, and the process includes quenching the magnet in a hydrogen bath for five minutes. After it is recharged, the magnet works best for about two to three hours, after which it begins growing weak. As we were timing the rotation speed over the phone, he remarked that the speed was quite a bit slower now than it was last night. (He said it has been running for about 28 hours continuous). He had stopped it so we could take some measurements. When he got it spinning again, it was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds. After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm (36 rev in 28 seconds).
Getting the things going is a bit of a science as well, which he addresses in several of his videos. He calls it a "sweet spot" where the pull begins overcoming the gate. While we were talking, he noticed that the motor tended to want to self-start in the region of the set of 4 magnets.
The aluminum rotor and high-precision bearing apparatus Mylow has been using is something his brother machined for him years ago. He's applied many different combinations of magnets on that rotor, scraping them off with a razor. That's why he uses crazy glue, and not something more permanent.
You will notice in earlier videos (from about a month ago), Mylow's prototype had sets of 7 of these rotor magnets placed around the perimeter of the rotor. When he went back to the Science and Surplus store, he was chagrinned to learn that they had no more of them, and that the manufacturer no longer makes them.
In a "what happens if I do this?" approach, he removed the middle of the seven magnets, leaving 3&3, followed by a large space before the next set of 3&3. He was then able to fill in the last set of 3&3, with one exception. One of the nine sets of 3&3 actually has four magnets. The non-symmetry seems to be a key to the operation of the motor. You can see that 4&3 set quite clearly in the upper left portion of the wheel in the YouTube preview of Mylow's March 17 video showing his motor in motion (see http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Spins_When_Horseshoe_Magnet_Gets_Close_Enough )
It turns out that this is the arrangement that works. It doesn't work if he doesn't put that fourth magnet in on that one set. If it just has 3&3, the motor vibrates quite vigorously and stops spinning. He said there is still a little wobble with the 4th magnet, but at least it works.
Mylow thinks that the key is the spacing of the large gap between each 3&3 set.
Within the 7-set of rotor magnets (with middle one removed), each rotor magnet is separated by 1/4 inch (slightly less). The large space between sets is three inches. He said this spacing is "very critical".
The aluminum wheel part of the rotor is 17-1/8 inches in diameter and has a thickness of 1/8 inches (within 1/16 inch accuracy). Mylow thinks the weight of the aluminum wheel provides a flywheel effect that helps the system work (possibly helping the magnets past of gate, to then be pushed through the next set hard enough to make it through that gate again [my conjecture]).
Regarding the aluminum bar that suspends the single stator magnet, Mylow said he tried putting two stator magnets in, for one on each side, but it didn't work. ([Sterling's note:] It may be that additional stator magnets could be added in, but that they would probably not work in symmetrical locations.) Mylow did try turning the stator magnet up-side-down. When he did, the rotor spun in the opposite direction.
The stator-suspending bar is 20-1/4 inches long, 1-5/8 inches wide, and slight less than 3/16" thick. The wooden supports on each end of the aluminum bar is fastened with aluminum screws. Mylow said he had tried stainless steel screws, but they effected the movement of the rotor, making it jiggle.
The bearings have regular steel balls with chrome.
I simulated those magnets in Femm. There isn't more force in one direction than the other. I compared the forces withing a given resolution, and they are pretty much the same on each side, so no net force is left to rotate the wheel. Of course this is supported my conventional physics, and simulations in a condescending software that is made only to irritate magnet motor believers. But nevertheless, the result isn't very positive.
Br.
Vidar
I have to ask how you set up the magnets. I can gather the rotor mags are one pole to the back spine and another to the two forward facing pieces. Then there is the part that he had the other horseshoe redone. I haven't figured out the exact layout of that one. I even asked him that direct and he bypassed the question. There is really not that many ways the mags can be done so will have to try all of them.
thaelin
@Thaelin
Go by the sketch - "Mylow's Sketch". Just keep in mind he draws fields in the unpolluted way. Meaning, fields without the deformation by iron filings.
IMO Mylow has been at this quite a while.
I haven't found a reason to trust FEMM for a while now. Too often it doesn't line up with reality.
Has some similarity to Corel castle ... wonder if the math's are similar. I do not have the time right now to do the math based on code144 dot com.
Anybody’s guess which one on page 7 of http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/products/alnico/pdf/sacatrev.pdf would be the closest to Mylow’s rotor magnets? Any ideas about the stator magnet?
I think the video is very interesting and the effect is really great if it is real. Now I know he just gave some dimensions etc but here are the main problems I have before jumping on any bandwagon.
First, all throughout the video he is talking and talking all the time. During all of 9 or so minutes, there is not at least 10 seconds where he stops talking and this makes it difficult for us to try and listen to the device for any tell tale electrical drive system. There are also some cars and/or trucks driving outside and it just so happened that two of the times he started the wheel, the noise from a truck or whatever is overly heard and this causes some suspicion. Like, could there be a stepper motor on a centrifugal clutch inside the steel base. Also, I heard twice two clicking sounds as if a switch could have been opened then closed.
The base is solid steel? Or, it could be a motor housing as stated above. That's a concern. I think he does not need all that metal mass in the base if it is only to align a wheel support bearing. An open tripod base should be good enough with a bearing on the top supporting the wheel. If he had such a tripod and can sow the open nature of it as a base, it will increase the video credibility tenfold.
If he in fact is showing something that is genuinely real, showing the north south relationships in the device teaches us some new things that could be applied in other ways and that's great.
wattsup. again, why would he do that? What's in it for him to pull such scam on us? His five minutes of fame maybe or a sinister plot to exhaust the hopes of the community and turn the enthusiasts into an incentive-less, burnt out crowd of losers (as seems to be the goal of @alsetalokin's activity). What's your take on that?
Quote from: wattsup on March 19, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
...throughout the video he is talking and talking all the time. During all of 9 or so minutes, there is not at least 10 seconds where he stops talking and this makes it difficult for us to try and listen to the device for any tell tale electrical drive system. There are also some cars and/or trucks driving outside and it just so happened that two of the times he started the wheel, the noise from a truck or whatever is overly heard and this causes some suspicion. Like, could there be a stepper motor on a centrifugal clutch inside the steel base. Also, I heard twice two clicking sounds as if a switch could have been opened then closed.
Last night in my chat with Mylow, we talked about doing a video specifically for the purpose of documenting the audio component of his motor running.
He said it is very quiet.
I suggested that he place his camera on the stator bar, then on the dresser top where the motor is setting, which would amplify any sounds of the motor in motion.
Hi;
I will summarize what I think I am seeing in his videos;
First the configuration of his magnets are linear magnets arranged in a fan
or duck-foot array at the periphery of the disc and a horseshoe shaped drive
magnet on the supporting beam. Note that he says his periphery magnets are
polarized with one pole face on the backside, meaning that the two pole
pieces have the same magnetization polarity. So the periphery magnets
are *not* horseshoe magnets in the conventional sense. ïƒ A partial device
in an of itself should be very easy to replicate and say “yeah or nay†as
to whether any drive force is evident. Naysayers should cease and desist
until we are able to establish whether or not a drive force exists.
Notice that even one of his first videos he uses long liner magnets and he gets
some small amount of drive power . I would be real nice of him to take a standard
small horseshoe magnet and use it in place of his problematic ‘u’ shaped drive
magnet and see if the unit still runs.
ïƒ Look, In general what he is demonstrating is *not* supposed to work because
“sticky spots†should form in the *whole array* on the disc. One question is
whether the aluminum disk and the aluminum cross bar is affecting the
units operation. Perhaps the low power magnetics and the aluminum disk
are not allowing sticky spots to fully form.
One thing that is going to be required in a general is to use fastener hardware
and frames around the magnets so that one can swap magnets around on the
disc and between units and the ability to substitute standard magnetics to try
to use new standardly available more powerful neodymium/boron magnets
in place of his specialized magnetics.
It should be possible to use a VCR tape capstan head motor as a bearing to support the
aluminum disc. It should also be possible to glue two cube magnets to a smaller
version of a Radioshack “3/4 inch magnet to get a duplicate of the periphery magnets
but in neodymium strength.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2009, 03:16:54 AM
I asked him if he is sure that the rotor and stator magnets he is using are alnico magnets. He said he is 100% sure, because that is what was on the purchase receipt.
Hi All
I remembered hearing Mylow describe in his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo that the U shaped Stator magnet was just a regular
Iron magnet, I checked it again and at 5:13 he did say this so I thought I'd bring it up in case it's relevant to replications.
Regards,
Paul
Omni, the catalog does not include pole position for the type magnet required, i phoned them to no avail.
Thanks. I was just gonna do the same thing, phone them since I also noticed there's no pole indication in the catalog.
Give me a minute, or two, I'll get the results for everyone.
i'm having a problem comparing these measurements to what i see on the video
They are quite small: just 1" inch tall, 1/4" wide, and 1/4" thick. The protrusions at the top and bottom of the C (or top left and right of the U) are 1/8" in length. They have a shine to them similar to a neodymium magnet.
either Mylow has the hands of a Barbie Doll or nevermind, I'll figure it out.
I phoned arnoldmagnetics which is located in Rochester NY, the stock cmag is n and s on the c tips, not what MYLOW calls for, they gave me a number for the manufacturer which is located in Chicago ( coincidence?), call Jim Roocer @ 815 568 2240 , this guy can tell you what they can do
From what I can see of the c magnets in the photos from the vids, they appear to be ceramic. Just my opinion. Even the one he called a graphite, and I asked if was a ferrite looks ceramic, which goes with he pulled it from a motor.
Folks the reality of this is that direct information from this guy will need to be walked through carefully. The material used is what ever he could find. In other words he does not really know what they are.
The full assembly of the plate and spindle will need to be got. This does appear a game of mass accelerated to a point it goes back through the lock position one sees him with in the short run magnet set up.
Quote from: Goat on March 19, 2009, 11:41:53 AM
I remembered hearing Mylow describe in his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo that the U shaped Stator magnet was just a regular Iron magnet, I checked it again and at 5:13 he did say this so I thought I'd bring it up in case it's relevant to replications.
I've got a memo to ask Mylow about the composition and source of his stator magnet. You may be right that he was referring to the rotor magnets only when saying he was sure they were alnico; because they were purchased together, recently. He's had the stator magnet for a while.
it is obvious that there are people replying on this site that their job
is to stir ppl away from truth by quoting wikipedia and science books
answering questions with so called sophisticated answers.
there has been several ou machines on this site
i personally opened a thread such a machine but it seems that ppl read but they don't get it
and it doesn't help that all this so called know it guys commenting saying straight away hoax and scam.
OU is real and possible
i hope that ppl oped their heads for this possibility.
i want to congratulate this guy and the world . happy day!!
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2009, 10:23:15 AM
wattsup. again, why would he do that? What's in it for him to pull such scam on us? His five minutes of fame maybe or a sinister plot to exhaust the hopes of the community and turn the enthusiasts into an incentive-less, burnt out crowd of losers (as seems to be the goal of @alsetalokin's activity). What's your take on that?
@Omnibus
It is not a question of true or not, but simply my opinion of why I am somewhat reserved about it. I am not saying he is this or that. Just the facts on how one can view the video and based only on the video I personally could not justify putting in time and money on it. If the base was open and did not look soooooooooooo much like any electric motor housing, then OK, this is great. But given the sounds, the base, our already known efforts both personally and from everyone else on Earth that is fighting day after day with the sticky spot, all this put together gives me cause for concern. I hope to hell I am wrong, but I cannot deny what my gut tells me and after so much time on this Forum, having such a position is surely justifiable. Not against the person, but the substance.
@wattsup
Hey bud, hit the fridge for a cold one. Retire to the chair and the tele and enjoy the show.
There will be countless others that are already in the fray of things. Now that I know the C
mag orientation, that solves one of the problems. I will just make them. The horseshoe mag
I will have to hit ace for. But that done, I have all the needed things. The outside of a AL bike
rim will do just fine for me.
thay
Rather than Google for Alnico C Magnets try searching for Alnico Channel magnets.
The ones from the Arnold will need to be magnetised as spotted by someone else further down on page 9.
Cheers
Sean.
Welcome back Sean.
Quote from: broli on March 19, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
Welcome back Sean.
Thanks Broli , you know I never miss a good party ;D
I still hope this is real....
Could someone who is in communication with Mylow ask him what is on the back side of the Stator magnet? It appears to be a small raised cover to the magnet on the back side.. You can clearly see it at 2:27 as well as, many other frames where he closes in on the stator. One of my students looked at the video and said it was an access to the battery (watch size) for a pulsing electromagnet. Look close, and you also see a white dot on the bottom part of the small raised back cover. I ask my middle school students to view this video and tell me if they see anything that looked fake. Kids sometimes see what we do not.
Bill
I spoke with Mylow again today.
He confirmed that the stator magnet is an iron-based magnet, not alnico. He said he also got it from the Science & Surplus store, but it was 10-15 years ago. He said it looks like it's been molded into its arc shape. He said he has had it re-magnetized twice now, and that it costs around $60 each time he does it. He said he'd get me the address of the company that does this for him.
He noted that the magnet is yet weaker today, and the rotor is spinning slower today than it was last night. He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
This morning when I talked to him, he reiterated his suggestion that people refer to the photo of Howard Johnson's motor in Popular Science from the early '80's.
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg47.html
?
I've been urging him to not make any modifications the present design, as it belongs in a museum. He understands that principle.
Someone asked me for my subjective assessment of Mylow and his claim. My assessment is that this is very probably the real deal. His video is convincing, his personality is inconsistent with a profile of a shyster or a prankster, his design makes sense to me. I do not believe in "perpetual motion" as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere, and most likely requires a local imbalance to be set up in order to harness some kind of environmental magnetic effect, like pulling the plug on a bathtub to get the vortex drain action going.
I think he plans on shooting more video this evening to upload to YouTube. One of those will be showing the device running on a glass table.
He's considering the possibility of having someone come in to verify this as a witness.
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2009, 05:49:38 PMI think he plans on shooting more video this evening to upload to YouTube. One of those will be showing the device running on a glass table.
He's considering the possibility of having someone come in to verify this as a witness.
Now that's good news!
PL
sterlinga, I don't want to start another war here but I must note that your statement: "as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere" is unfounded if you mean that there is some preexisting energy reservoir which is being tapped to turn the motor. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.
On the contrary, there is all the evidence, and it has been proven beyond doubt, that in these machines energy which turns the rotor does not come from a pre-existing energy reservoir. Here's how it works: Proper construction of the motor allows for the magnetic force to induce displacement. Pre-existing magnetic force is not energy, neither is the displacement alone.
Force over distance is. No pre-existing energy reservoir and yet there's energy which drives the rotor.
Ok, this one has got my interest (been a while since I built a magnet motor design). Now the most annoying this here is wading through pages and pages of people reiterating their belief he's a fraud. Could all you people just find something else to investigage, because to you this is a dead issue. Maybe it's a fraud any maybe it's not, either way anyone building a replication will learn a bit more about magnetic interactions regardless as they build, because it's all experience. And everyone making demands on what mylow should and shouldn't demonstrate - back off, it's not like he's built this to purely show off, if he's been working on these kinds of things for years I'm sure he's got his own personal reasons for wanting to do this, and will want to build more and try more new things, rather than sit around proving it works to everyone else. Let him do his thing, and have patience.
Now onto the fun stuff. Obviously engineering style measurement practices aren't mylow's forte, which I can't complain about. All to many engineers are so stiff an unimaginative that they would never try something like this (I like to think of myself as an artistic engineer).
I'm already about half way through drawing a scale model of his unit in mech desktop based on the photos, and the rough dimensions we've been given should help me make it more accurate overall. We really can't hope to accurately replicate it yet, as mylow said the spacing of the magets is critical, which I would believe, but the measurements are pretty sketchy (just under 1/4"?). So I'll try to finish a design I'm confidant is accurate to his model, and then work from there.
And another thing to remember is the aluminium probably plays a key role. It is far far from non-magnetic, is it strongly paramagnetic. Have you tried dropping a magnet down a hollow aluminium tube - it's freaky. Basically aluminium acts as a magnetic damper, it'll kind of oppose any moving magnetic field. This would complicate the magnetic fields around the stator with the base moving under it, as well as the aluminium strip with the moving c magnets under it. Also, these would have to be included in a femm model for it to be accurate (if anyone wanted to belive femm anyway, which I don't personally).
Anyway, I'll work on my design some more during lunch break.
Andrew
Something that has crossed my mind is how Howard was able to to get those magnets with small enough tolerances, so his perfectly calculated shapes and orders of the magnets made this motor working. So either there isn't that hard to replicate if there is room for tolerances, or it is almost impossible to replicate. What are the odds for the magnets to be within maybe +/- 0,1% tolerance? Most magnets, at least back then, couldn't have that small tolerances. So lucky for us, it shouldn't be that hard to replicate something close to Howards design AND make it work.
Vidar
I'd like to thank Mylow for his persistent work and hopes things don't get too crazy with questions/demands.
Sterling, thanks for such quick and quantitative work in bringing this forward. From experiment to video to tests and measurements in a matter of days, this experiment is moving much faster than the rest.
Cheers, mates, keep up the good work. Here's hoping for a replication :)
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2009, 05:49:38 PM
He confirmed that the stator magnet is an iron-based magnet, not alnico. He said he also got it from the Science & Surplus store, but it was 10-15 years ago. He said it looks like it's been molded into its arc shape. He said he has had it re-magnetized twice now, and that it costs around $60 each time he does it. He said he'd get me the address of the company that does this for him.
He noted that the magnet is yet weaker today, and the rotor is spinning slower today than it was last night. He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
Hi Sterling,
Perhaps he (Mylow) could make another stator magnet from an U shaped soft iron piece with two Neo block magnets attached to the prongs and test his setup. This would not make any harm on his present working setup and he could change the distance of the stator magnet assembly the same way like now.
Of course the size of the U shape iron piece and that of the Neo magnets may need some tinkering to arrive at a size where the rotor can maintain its rotation again.
This substitute stator magnet assembly may show more magnet strength stability on the long run (Neo magnets much more durable than ceramic or AlNiCo types, not to mention old steel or iron magnets.
rgds, Gyula
QuoteSomething that has crossed my mind is how Howard was able to to get those magnets with small enough tolerances, so his perfectly calculated shapes and orders of the magnets made this motor working.
Howard's educational progress is clearly evident in the later, linear patent model. It seems plausible to me that his work was stifled a bit, by whom and for what purpose is arguably considerable. I feel that, should he have taken a slightly different path in his research, he would have made quite a leap in realized efficiency.
The funny thing about magnets is that although they can stand being alone, they prefer having close company so they can truly be as one. As we all know, familiarity breeds contempt, so then the question becomes how to make a friend's comings and goings of benefit to all.....an interesting guest should be able to make frequent visits and still never wear out it's welcome, by sticking around to long.
TS
From Mark Hayton:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm - possible source for alnico channel horseshoes
I'll ask Mylow if he thinks this site magets will work.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 19, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
you know I never miss a good party ;D
CLaNZeR! Sean, glad to see you - I went to your website last night looking for an email address for you (to no avail) hoping to spark your interest in replication - seeing as you are one of THE PREMIER replicators around! What say you?
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sterlinga -
Thanks Alan for posting all that info at peswiki, Having an uncluttered listing of the relevant info is great!
The fact that you are interested is a great asset.
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I would think a critical aspect would be the magnet spacing:
The rotor magnets need to be spaced relative to the spacing between the N/S faces of the u-shaped stator magnet.
So if using different magnets, one should keep that spacing relative.
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Quote from: Low-Q on March 19, 2009, 03:45:18 AM
I simulated those magnets in Femm.
Would you care to post pics/.jpgs of your FEMM simulations please?
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
sterlinga, I don't want to start another war here but I must note that your statement: "as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere" is unfounded if you mean that there is some preexisting energy reservoir which is being tapped to turn the motor. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.
On the contrary, there is all the evidence, and it has been proven beyond doubt, that in these machines energy which turns the rotor does not come from a pre-existing energy reservoir. Here's how it works: Proper construction of the motor allows for the magnetic force to induce displacement. Pre-existing magnetic force is not energy, neither is the displacement alone.
Force over distance is. No pre-existing energy reservoir and yet there's energy which drives the rotor.
In convention science it's customer to provide a reference containing the proof. Otherwise it's just a meaningless claim.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2009, 08:19:39 PM
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm - possible source for alnico channel horseshoes
I'll ask Mylow if he thinks this site magets will work.
Mylow responds: "omg yes as long as the magnetization is through the thinkness and longer lenth.wow these are the magnets that can make the motor work."
I just read a bit of that article linked to earlier -
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg47.html
A key point that jumped out at me was foil-wrapped magents. I assume back in the 80's that foil was already primarily aluminium, not tin or anything like that. Myloo was saying he doesn't have a permeability plate - well I say he does, in the aluminium base and holder. I reckon the paramagnetism of aluminium must play a key role somehow. Myloo has aluminium all around his setup, johnson wrapped his magnets in foil (aluminum?). Perhaps the drag induced by the aluminium acts to slow down the magnetic field changes, in such a way that the stator has passed beyond the field lines before they have a chance to drag it back. Just pure conjecture here, but aluminiums seems to be a common material here, that is usually discounted as being non-magnetic.
Andrew
Quote from: mscoffman on March 19, 2009, 11:21:51 AM
Hi;
I will summarize what I think I am seeing in his videos;
Look, In general what he is demonstrating is *not* supposed to work because
“sticky spots” should form in the *whole array* on the disc. One question is
whether the aluminum disk and the aluminum cross bar is affecting the
units operation. Perhaps the low power magnetics and the aluminum disk
are not allowing sticky spots to fully form.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Dude !
Good point about the aluminum - -
i was thinking the same thing myself. Although non magnetic - aluminum is an excellent electrical conductor and the electrons in that disk are most certainly plenty nervous about the field of those magnetics as they move about.
Maybe that is why it works !
This kind of array SHOULD exhibit sticky spots and yet there seems to be none apparent.
What is happening ?
Most interesting wheel i 've seen in a long while.
i think i might make a low cost attempt at replication myself.
Love the simplicity . .
any cat can do ..
Puuurrfect reason to buy yet even MORE magnets ..
miss meow will not be pleased again i fear . .
We already have enough magnets to stick used transmissions to our fridge.
Queue
MYLOW121363 writes in the comments to his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo the following:
"i must keep be privet for now. i have all ready resived death trets. "
What do you guys think? Does the above show the first signs of fading away, the same way that one Mike disappeared after leading by the nose a number of enthusiasts through his claim for a successful replication of Bedini motor? Does anyone remember that story? Or maybe the way @xpenzif, the guy with the screw-motor disappeared. Maybe also similar to @alsetalokin who even posted a video of him trashing the motor after leading so many into the dead-end of replicating something which turned out to be a joke. He has the nerve to still lurk around in forums such as the one maintained by Steorn and most people behave towards him as if nothing has happened. Does one remember that Danny from Ohio who was also claiming similar things. That Danny claimed he has a Torbay motor working at his place only to disappear later without a trace when asked to have someone visit and see the motor working. Oh, Torbay, I forgot Torbay. Does anyone remember that story? He even came here in New York City all the way from Argentina to "demonstrate" his non-working machine. And so on and so forth. Shall we say in this case (MYLOW's case) again we've been there, we've seen that? "death trets", give me a break. Exactly the greater publicity is the preventive measure against these "resived death trets", if any, and not be "privet". Who is he kidding?
Something isn't right again. In view of the fact that I don't see what's in it for an obscure guy down in Chicago to play with so many people (except for, maybe, some hard to understand sick joy) one is inclined to think that this is maybe a way in which certain party-line groups are trying to demoralize, to burn out, to punish and discourage through constantly getting them in a dead-end, the "wide-eyed enthusiasts" who are "deceiving themselves that they can build something non-scientific such as a perpetuum mobile". I smell a rat.
Or, maybe the guy's just burnt out, not sure what to do and not used to all the requests, demands, and publicity.
It's been a whopping 24hrs since this came out and already he's answered several requests and given measurements. Have a little patience, man.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
showing a ruler and magnets.
[also posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo and linked from the "latest developments section at http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW ]
Mylow just barely posted a video showing the rotor and stator magnets next to a Data Scan Ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeijLKkuj_c
It looks like the rotor magnets are metric.
2 cm long x 1 cm x 1 cm, slightly tapered in the inside of the channel.
The stator magnets (he uses only one in his motor) are not rectangular but arced. It looks like they are 1-1/32 inch long, 55/64 inches wide, ~5/8 from the base to the top of the arc, and ~1/2 inch to the bottom of the arc from the base (oriented like an up-side-down U).
In other news, Mylow phoned me this evening to say that the stator magnet has now diminished in magnetism to the point that the motor is no longer turning.
He stopped by the place he goes to get the stator magnet remagnetized this afternoon, to get permission to give out their name and address. The preferred that he not do that since they are doing this as a favor to him, and they only want to receive commercial orders, but under those conditions, they may still allow him to give out the info. They also told him (paraphrasing), "We can't keep remagnetizing your magnet for you. It costs us a lot of money to run that machine and to maintain the hydrogen both." They've been giving him a break on the price they've been charging him. I encouraged him to let them know what he is doing, to see his videos, to inspire them to continue to help him out and be part of history in the making.
He said the alnico magnets in the rotor don't seem to be losing their magnetism at all. Just the iron stator magnets. He's looking to replace the iron stator magnet with something else that doesn't demagnetize so easily.
Once it's running again, he's pondering maybe taking this to the media.
I should mention that Milow also posted a video showing a review of his drawings from when he was in highschool back in the 1980s. Shows some nice-looking drawings he made, including of how the Johnson motor could be integrated into an engine block of a vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGAMUZCZZo
He was a pretty good draftsman, especially considering that he never took any drafting classes.
Sterling
This ones way too big for MyLow but shouldn't demagnetize. Could be killer on a larger setup. HJ made his stator magnets from 12 smaller sections.
http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=33&osCsid=84794a3082f99569300c24d52722da6e
sterlinga
Ask him if he could get the company that magnetizes his magnet to map the gauss on one of the rotor magnets. Such would go a long way with all of this.
Alnico Horseshoe Magnets
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=horseshoe+magnet
New file posted in downloads:
Howard Johnson: Secret World of Magnets
I just uploaded a 45 page .pdf by Howard Johnson (2.5 MB)
It discusses magnetic gates, vortices within a magnet, details of his 'banana' curved/cupped magnets etc.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item251
Rotor speed seems proportional to the stator mag's strength. It slows down as the iron mag deteriorates.
I wonder if he could use a couple of strong Neo's on a steel bar with the 'right' shape & how long they would last.
Better yet, remove the magnets from a few old hard drives and stick them together.
He only needs two NdFeB magnets to remagnetize alnico and hard iron magnets. Place the south end of the NdFeB on one pole of the iron PM, and the north end of the other NdFeB on the other pole of the iron PM. For best results, leave it like that for at least a few minutes.
This idea about about expensive equipment to remagnetize alnico & iron PM's doesn't make sense to me because they have extremely low coercivity, which is the reason why they're demagnetizing so easily. In the video it's very clear the PM's internal alignments are flexing & changing during each revolution. What do you expect from such PM's.
I've remagnetized all kinds of PM's countless times just by using NdFeB. No big deal.
PL
I have used such myself. great for them old crank winds from old telephones.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 20, 2009, 01:39:00 AM
He only needs two NdFeB magnets to remagnetize alnico and hard iron magnets. Place the south end of the NdFeB on one pole of the iron PM, and the north end of the other NdFeB on the other pole of the iron PM. For best results, leave it like that for at least a few minutes.
This idea about about expensive equipment to remagnetize alnico & iron PM's doesn't make sense to me because they have extremely low coercivity, which is the reason why they're demagnetizing so easily. In the video it's very clear the PM's internal alignments are flexing & changing during each revolution. What do you expect from such PM's.
I've remagnetized all kinds of PM's countless times just by using NdFeB. No big deal.
PL
lostcauses10, I don’t buy this “Yea I can see why the guy would runâ€. As usual, it is him and the likes of him I already mentioned in my previous post who are the real problem, not anyone else. Let’s not be so nice to people who aren’t at all nice to us. C’mon.
So, let’s put the money where the mouth is. I’m willing to contribute for sending, if they are willing, X00013 or CLaNZeR or both to Chicago to see MYLOW121363’s machine in action. Is anybody willing to take me up on this offer? Let’s see how much the cost will be and where to send the money. No need to mention that both X00013 and CLaNZeR are prominent members of our community with proven record and if “death trets†are the concern they are the first to get such, way before MYLOW121363 so he shouldn’t pull the wool over our eyes with those “resived death trets". Both X00013 and ClaNZeR have access to machine shops and can then duplicate what they’ve seen with their own eyes, if they find it convincing enough to put the money and effort into this. Enough of these blind alleys those claimant are pushing the good people into. Undoubtedly, I’ll be willing, if it’s OK, to accompany them at my expense which by no means is a condition for my contributing to their travel. How’s that?
I understand the why of it. Yet such would scare the hell out of folks even suggesting it. I am sure he has received threats form some already also. Them non believers can get a bit out of hand, as well as the believers. Who you going to trust?? Who would he trust??
A complicated situation to say the least.
Even if one could go, what equipment would one need to carry with them? Such for testing for stray EM (large aluminum disk would be a good sink for such) and so on. Right now it is a dead dog unless he gets his magnet redone again.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 01:55:25 AM
lostcauses10, I don’t buy this “Yea I can see why the guy would runâ€. As usual, it is him and the likes of him I already mentioned in my previous post who are the real problem, not anyone else. Let’s not be so nice to people who aren’t at all nice to us. C’mon.
So, let’s put the money where the mouth is. I’m willing to contribute for sending, if they are willing, X00013 or CLaNZeR or both to Chicago to see MYLOW121363’s machine in action. Is anybody willing to take me up on this offer? Let’s see how much the cost will be and where to send the money. No need to mention that both X00013 and CLaNZeR are prominent members of our community with proven record and if “death trets†are the concern they are the first to get such, way before MYLOW121363 so he shouldn’t pull the wool over our eyes with those “resived death trets". Both X00013 and ClaNZeR have access to machine shops and can then duplicate what they’ve seen with their own eyes, if they find it convincing enough to put the money and effort into this. Enough of these blind alleys those claimant are pushing the good people into. Undoubtedly, I’ll be willing, if it’s OK, to accompany them at my expense which by no means is a condition for my contributing to their travel. How’s that?
No, he didn't. No one has threatened him. Where's your proof to the contrary? Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes again. Let him run. The farther the better. @alsetalokin should also run and not be tolerated by Steorn who appear to be also in on his scam. All these should run and not cross the path of the good people trying to do something good for society. What a stupid situation. Good people like all these enthusiasts around here to be held hostage by hillbillies such as the likes of Mylow. If he's genuine there's no reason to hide. None whatsoever. If he runs that'll be another proof he's a fake.
I said already who I'm going to trust -- X00013 and CLaNZeR, for instance. As for the equipment, none is necessary in this particular case. Verifying it, if real, is excruciatingly simple -- self-starter and having it run for, say, an hour. That's all. But they should do it themselves, not watch him move the stator to get it started. Videotape the whole thing throughout the whole hour of running and that's all. Then go back to London (in CLaNZeR's case) and replicate it in your shop. Like I said I'm ready to send money for such effort. Where's the glitch in this proposal?
Like I said, I don’t believe one word of this death threat. Even it were so it would’ve been mean of him to finagle in such a way to escape scrutiny. He’s posted for the whole world to see not one video already and yet expects no responsibility for this to be verified. Give me a break.
Sterling,
So what magazine gets the credit for publishing the Howard Johnson story in their Spring 1980 issue?
On PesWiki you claim 'Popular Mechanics" on the new Yahoo Mylow forum credit is given to Popular Science.
They are both in error! The posted copies are from Science and Mechanics, a Magazine that went defunct shortly after running the Johnson story. More fodder for the conspiracy buffs, did the magazine shut down because of Johnson's article?
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg116.html See the magazine name in the lower left column.
What comes around goes around, if you recall I sent you a copy of this way back in the early 90's.
Ralph Lortie
@rlortie, here's more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdo3oSV95Ok
Quote from: capthook on March 20, 2009, 01:22:12 AM
New file posted in downloads:
Howard Johnson: Secret World of Magnets
I just uploaded a 45 page .pdf by Howard Johnson (2.5 MB)
It discusses magnetic gates, vortices within a magnet, details of his 'banana' curved/cupped magnets etc.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item251
@capthook,
Interesting read! I have a hard copy of Johnson's 32 page presentation to the UNITAR conference on long term Energy Resources, Montreal Canada, November 26-December 7, 1979. William P. Harrison, Jr. Engineering Fundamentals Division Virginia Polytechnic institute and State University Blacksburg, VA. as co-author.
Together our combined papers would make for a small book!
Ralph Lortie
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 02:44:16 AM
@rlortie, here's more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdo3oSV95Ok
Yup! looks just like the hard copies in my infamous three ring binder I started compiling in BC (before computers)
Makes my wonder how many of the younger generations here have ever heard of Troy Reed and his patent on his four cylinder magnetic engine? I always considered it more viable than Johnson's!
Ralph
Omnibus, hate to say it, but IMO your perception of the world is so naive or you're putting on a big act. Do you have any idea what it usually takes to make it to the top in big boy world? It's a rough world out there. I have been warned & threaten many times-- scare tactics.
Why should people spend time typing the obvious for you? One can write a book on probable causes why people and groups would want to prevent global free energy. You can't think of any? Here's one for you --> Saudi Arabia oil sales. You have any idea what it's like in the Middle east? You think they'll sit around and let some punk destroy their entire country???
Like I've said for years, "free energy" web forums & wiki's will be the ***last*** place I'll post the grand smoking gun. I don't need a bullet in my head.
PL
Rather than pay to have someone on this forum go test it, it's far better for mylow to find a University of his choosing and just show it to them.
PL
There are two points that I would like to bring to mind.
First, the aluminum stator support bar is suspended on two rectangular cuts of common MDF board with holes cut in them. This appears to be standard run of the mill 5/8" to 3/4" thick material. Closer examination reveals a rather thick lamination on the outer sides of these supports, obviously to thick to be a MDO or vinyl overlay. So what are we looking at; more aluminum or ferrous material, and is there a purpose for the holes.
My second point deals with the complaint of the aluminum disc being counter productive with eddy currents (Lenz law) This can be rectified just as Faraday did, by placing a rubbing contact on the edge of the rim and connect the other end to the base of the bearing support holder. What he has is a Faraday uni-polar dynamo as long as the stator magnet field is cutting the aluminum disk
Ralph Lortie
I don't think CLaNZeR is an agent of the global elite trying to squash the perpetuum mobile. Neither is X00013. My proposal was to send them to to the fellow in Chicago. These are some of the people I trust, to name a few. Why not send @tao and even gaby? I'm really sick of these hillbillies playing with everybody and using that non-existent "death threat" as a screen for their muddled games.
QuoteRather than pay to have someone on this forum go test it, it's far better for mylow to find a University of his choosing and just show it to them.
No, it isn't. I trust people with experience in the matter, not persons at Universities for whom science is just a job scheme, afraid not to lose their paycheck by not following the party line. No way. Let's send folks with proven track record and devotion in these matters.
Omnibus,
This machine is not that hard to duplicate, all the technical data is posted on PesWiki and like me, I am sure that there is a number of us 'old timers' that still have their original Johnson test beds. I built one many moons ago only I carried it one step farther. My disk is suspended in friction free magnetic bearings. Any stator field cutting the rotor is isolated presenting a no-load.
If he wants to free source it, I see no problem in contacting a college physics instructor for a confidential private assessment. Believe me if he finds that it indeed is a runner breaking the known laws of conservation, he would jump on it without hesitation. Personally I am not into free sourcing my endeavors so would ask that he be prepared to agree to a disclosure statement.
Ralph
rlortie, before any effort for replication, trusted men must see it and judge whether or not it really is what appears to be in the videos and is worth the effort to spend time and money replicating it. Otherwise it will be again a waste which is maybe the goal of those organizing these shams -- to punish the unruly wide-eyed enthusiasts by getting them into wasting their money and time because there's no other way to stop them. As for the college instructors, avoid them as the plague in these matters. Most of these exemplify the intellectual low and will never jeopardize the crumbs their colleges give them by going against the party line. Avoid them as much as you can. Moreover, there’s not much to be validated in this case. This is a yes or no situation. Not much science involved, just practical skills and maybe some luck. Up to anyone to judge it if it really works. Can’t be any simpler.
Everyone has a different opinion of who is trusted. When it comes to these matters there is only one I trust, myself.
I could be sharing coffee with this guy before I finished my first cup. Not going to happen....
If he asks me to help beat the fruitcakes and knowitalls away from his windows, I might comply.
I'm sure he wants to understand what he has and what it means for him and his family. That will not happen now. Once the world is in your face you are done.
So far he's shown remarkable good will and compliance with demand. By now, I would have told most of you to stuff it.
BTW:
Death threats are OU. They come from everywhere and nowhere. Now, they seem to be generated by internet activity. I'm sure for every one of you there are 5 folks out there with the opinion inventors like this should be buried. And these are just the fanatics. Forget big oil. Big oil doesn't need to worry about the light work.
If you don't believe this then simply invent something useful in this category. Then announce it on the internet. If folks think your invention is useful - the emails will begin.
Hi All,
As a physicist who claims miracles it is not for me to say if this is true or false, however I want to put forward an observation, or two.
magnetocaloric effect is a method that can be used to refrigerate.
I am concerned before this thing upsets to many to suggest to the inventor that the lamp is turned off and replaced with a cool even light.
The light to the left clearly is a source of energy (heat) and there is a differential across the plate and magnets closer to the lamp must be a fraction of a degree warmer.
If one was to consider the magnetcaloric effect as a thermodynamic process (see wikipedia) then a temp difference of say 0.1deg c would be enough to have say 10watts of lamp radiant energy converted to a few milliwatts of work. This is not a lot but would (could) be sufficient to overcome friction if he has used excellent bearings.
So what I am saying is that he reshoot his video but with a none heat source illumination such as ceiling low wattage neons.
If he does that then he has to my mind taken out the obvious area of concern to a scientist.
Regards
Phil H
Hi All,
Somewhat silly of me to say "the light to the left", clearly it is to the right.
Feeble excuse now.... when we watch it in Australia everything is reversed.
Phil H
Phil regardless of the light's position. This has to be one of the most far fetched reason of working I've ever heard. What's next? The dog was using telekinesis to spin it so it has to be done with the dog at least 1 mile far away? It's obvious that 90% of the people here will not try to replicate it and rather wait until they can buy a complete setup from walmart. So why bother with the "intellectual" talk if you aren't going to do anything with it.
I suspect that the stator magnet loosing it's alignment or magnetic ability, and the reason the motor runs are probably related issues. I would guess that the stator magnet having a pinning material that holds the magnetic particles in place (being weaker than the rotor mags) may be acting as a "flex" point that allows the motor to run for a while. It will continue to run until the pinning material no longer holds the magnetic particles in alignment and then the stator magnet strength is weakened to the point that the motor will not continue to run. Just a guess, but if a different magnet that is stronger and more permanent is used for the stator, but the motor does not run, it may indicate the reason why the motor is able to work.
Quote from: Liberty on March 20, 2009, 08:01:16 AM
I suspect that the stator magnet loosing it's alignment or magnetic ability, and the reason the motor runs are probably related issues. I would guess that the stator magnet having a pinning material that holds the magnetic particles in place (being weaker than the rotor mags) may be acting as a "flex" point that allows the motor to run for a while. It will continue to run until the pinning material no longer holds the magnetic particles in alignment and then the stator magnet strength is weakened to the point that the motor will not continue to run. Just a guess, but if a different magnet that is stronger and more permanent is used for the stator, but the motor does not run, it may indicate the reason why the motor is able to work.
This then can be easily solved by making a magnetic circuit. Put a strong permanent magnet far away from the rotor and make a magnetic circuit with a magnetic "flexible" material that's close to the rotor, it's that simple.
Problem = Solution
@Broli,
You misunderstand me.
I was passing on a point to the guy that did the video that he may give many people cause for doubt by having a temperature differential. All he needs do is take away the 100W lanp to the close right and video it with an even cool lamp.
I am not sure about the rest of your attack on me but if this is a forum I assume people should talk science not hate.
If there were a 0.1 deg C temperature difference then for 10 watts of heat at one side magneto work of 3.3millijoules might be possible. Now I am not saying it is because like you we are viewers.
So what I offer is my advice to this guy so that he can advance his claim.
The science world demands that all reasonable steps be taken in an experiment to eliminate not only the known but the possible unknowns such as I have raised.
He has the wheel built and I assume he knows from someone here (perhaps sterling) of any constructive views. That is what I offered.
So cut me some slack and think about what I said before you get aggressive.
PS while you are at it can you go to curled ballistic thermionics and tell me what I did wrong there.
Thanks
Phil H
Phil H
Unlike you I don't care what professors think of my idea or am I worried whether I can please them. If I have an idea I will share it with the world and then try to inform and educate as much people about it so they can better their lives with it. While the professors are denying it millions are powering their home with it and opening their minds to the joke they call "life". I don't blame them though. They have been taught by ignorant people as well.
Folks,
this is an open invitation to Sterling, Clanzer, and anyone else with a respected history here (all jokes aside). I am going to assume that this is not a hoax for the purposes of this discussion.
I am afraid Mylow is going to get overwhelmed and lost with all the competing interests, suggestions, and requests he is getting. I'm hoping to get him focused on the right priorities.
Can anyone suggest what the project plan should be for the next 6 months, to prevent this from ending up in the dustbin of OU magnetic perpetual inventions like many others on this site?
Even if we just discuss options for the project plan, at least it will give him some ideas for targets and milestones. He can't please everyone, but maybe we can point him in the right direction.
Once we have a list, we can get his attention with it on Youtube or through Sterling.
Any takers?
thanks
dixiepnum, are you willing to contribute to sending a trusted member of our community such as X00013 or CLaNZeR (better both of them) to visit MYLOW121363 and examine his claim?
@omnibus,
yes, but I want to see a 6 month project plan with input from yourself, Sterling, and Clanzer (at minimum) first...
among others.....
I'm not into willy-nilly projects....
and before we spend any money, item #1 on the project plan is a quick public acid test to disprove the hoax, particularly on the cylinder/driveshaft....
are you onboard?
Here's a story I worked up last night / early this morning, drawing from some of my earlier reports:
http://pesn.com/2009/03/20/9501532_Mylow-replicates-Johnson-magnet-motor/
How Mylow Replicated Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor - Story of how a garage tinkerer's 30-years of persistence finally paid off in replicating one of the first publicly announced all-magnet motors. He doesn't seem to realize how much of his own inventiveness came to bear. (PESN; March 20, 2009)
If you notice a typo or an error, let me know.
sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com
@dixiepnum,
I wanna hear first what someone of those with proven record here will say after visiting him in person, before anything else is undertaken. We've been through a lot of crap and fellows such as @alsetalokin are still lurking around as if nothing happened. No more of this. Why a six month plan since this can be resolved in one stroke -- someone reputable visits the claimant and reports whether it's yes or no. Verifying such claim is just about one of the easiest things on Earth.
@sterlinga,
What you've done seems more like jumping the gun.
He's giving us as much information as we want. Like I've said on other forums, if he was trying to scam us he would keep 'secrets' or ask for money. Even though it costs him $$$ to re-magnetize his stator, he hasn't asked anyone for help. I'm an old guy and have a pretty good sense for people's personalities- either he's totally psycho, or he's on the level. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Once he checks the polarization of the mags with a compass, we'll have everything we need to replicate. No one has to invade his privacy for verification. I bet his wife is getting pissed !
Omnibus
What part of the world is he in?[and is he open to this idea]
Chet
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
dixiepnum, are you willing to contribute to sending a trusted member of our community such as X00013 or CLaNZeR (better both of them) to visit MYLOW121363 and examine his claim?
Your suggestion is breathtaking.
Do you really think it makes sense for Clanzer to get a visa, take time off from his job, and fly from London to Chicago, just to get a first-hand look at the device? How many thousands of dollars will that cost?
It is almost as crazy for someone in the US to fly there.
Why not get specs from mylow, as is being done, and replicate it? The tolerances don't seem to be microscopic; just from what he has shown so far, an ace experimenter like Clanzer should be able to replicate the device without going on some crazy trip.
Quote from: ramset on March 20, 2009, 10:06:49 AM
Omnibus
What part of the world is he in?[and is he open to this idea]
Chet
I think he said Chicago
@omnibus
we're on the same page, I'm quoting a quick public acid test as the first step, same as you
@ all
I have no idea where Clanzer is......
Does anyone have any physics or engineering contacts, eg credible professors or PhD students, who could visit Mylow?
Or is anyone from this site even close to Chicago?
I'm in Montreal.
@vortex360,
I wonder if you've followed earlier such stories. You couldn't find a more cooperative replicator as that one Mike who claimed he has Bedini motor working. Numerous folks jumped on the bandwagon to follow his detailed advice as to how to replicate the motor only to find him suddenly disappear one day and never show up again. How about the craziness which one @alsetalokin stirred up, always ready to "help" the replicators. Our own @Jdo300 made detailed blueprints under his instruction, all kinds of other "helpful" hints were given, to no avail. Funny thing is Steorn are still tolerating him on their forum which may mean nothing else bu that they in it with him. Why don't they let him blabber his nonsense in his own Fizzx forum? Did you know that I'm in possession of the original @xpenzif drum with the screws but he never sent me the actual step motor base neither did he send me the original stator magnets despite the long exchange with him. How about that Danny from Ohio who was so cooperative and even agreed to send me his working Torbay motor to NYC after I offered to come visit him in person in Ohio. Recall also the Torbay story. I was ready to go to Argentina to see the motor but their minister of technology told me it wouldn't be necessary because he'll be in New York City in two days only to find out that he has brought over a non-working model. Not to say that later I'm finding my name splashed all over the Argentinean press with absurd statements made. What can I say. I've been there, I've seen that. There's some history we need to learn from and not fall every time in the traps of these hillbillies and dishonest crooks who are doing this for who knows what reason -- no, the dishonest manipulators most likely do that, as I said before, to discourage and demoralize what they perceive as the wide-eyed cooks trying to build these "impossible devices".
@dixiepnum,
Like I said, never mind physics professors. These should be the last to put your trust in. I've deep reasons to have this attitude.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
sterlinga, I don't want to start another war here but I must note that your statement: "as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere" is unfounded if you mean that there is some preexisting energy reservoir which is being tapped to turn the motor. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.
Omnibus:
Have you not heard of the Nobel Physics prizewinners for 1957, Lee and Yang?
Have you not heard of Hal Puthoff's famous statement about energy and the environment?
Have you not heard of Tom Bearden?
Have you not heard of the Bedini SG and its two batteries, one flat and one charged?
Have you not heard of Takahashi's spiral magnetic motor?
Hasve you never got a shocking
@Paul-R.
Of all these only Hal Puthoff has my respect. The rest are to be ignored.
Let me add, I respect Hal Puthoff as a scientist but I don't approve of his zero-point energy theory. The zero-point energy is indication of the weakness of quantum mechanics rather than an achievement. In the same way some are trying to twist the problems in QM Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen pointed to and make it appear there is something useful that can come out of this problem. There isn't.
@all
well,
this is exactly why I would like some consensus on a project plan.....to avoid these disasters....
I'm patient though....and waiting for suggestions....
Were any of these situations successful? How should we approach this one?
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 10:43:10 AM
@Paul-R.
Of all these only Hal Puthoff has my respect. The rest are to be ignored.
Let me add, I respect Hal Puthoff as a scientist but I don't approve of his zero-point energy theory. The zero-point energy is indication of the weakness of quantum mechanics rather than an achievement. In the same way some are trying to twist the problems in QM Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen pointed to and make it appear there is something useful that can come out of this problem. There isn't.
Omnibus:
I don't know why you bother with this website.
Well, we have the exact magnet source, dimensions, and specs, the size shape and material of the stator arm and rotor disk.
The early video used bar magnets on the rotor and still showed an effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dotZDYzn3ew&feature=channel
I'm willing to bet there's more people than just myself with a pile of magnet-motor mags laying around.
@Paul-R,
Where is your impression coming from that this website is about devices powered by energy in pre-existing reservoirs? I'd say that this site is about exactly the opposite -- it's about devices running off of energy which doesn't come out of already existing energy reservoirs.
@Reiyuki,
It's not the first time it has seemed so simple.This time, however, I think we should be smarter. Let someone trusted see it and then the replication effort. This doesn't mean that people shouldn't try it promptly but, like I said, this has been tried before to no avail. Are you willing to try just about what any cook in the world says works?
I somewhat surprised that you guys don't seem to work with scientific principles
rather than this back and forth discussion.
I have been thinking and re-synthesizing what I know about all the
evidence plus based on what I am seeing. First; It would IMHO
may be better to produce a new replication rather than trying to reproduce
his.
There are three fundamental Questions here;
a) Can a set of magnets start up from somewhere and create motion like his video shows?
b) Does the rotor have net energy gain as it goes around it's whole circuit? (Femm says No, I take it)
note: *at max RPM* the total net rotor gain is equal to (1) one due to nonlinear mech resistive effects.
c) Are sticky points robbing the rotor of energy?
Suppose; The Howard Johnson effect has to do with bounded magnetic field parameters.
In other words, perhaps Neodymium Magnets have field strengths beyond the limits where
the HJ effect appears. Sticky spots may be due to this excessive strength.
So we use Alnico and (my goodness) Iron magnets to reduce the field strength.
Well too bad, they are now discharging, why drag everyone on material characteristic
of known inferior tech?...It doesn't make sense. BTW, You may not want to use a full strength
drive magnet if the Alnico field magnets are now the ones being erased.
So two things seem to make sense;
a) simulate reduced strength magnets with electromagnets - you'll never erase solenoids.
b) Reduce the strength of Neodymium Magnets not by formulation but "bucking"
them against one another - the logic says allow the magnets need to be maximum strength
to have rapid domain recruitment to restore their lost "energy". Do that with Neo's then buck
the field strength down.
I'f what I see is in fact true the an HJ generator might use part of it's generated energy to buck
internal field strength down.
My tendency is to do (a) above with electromagnets to see if the HJ parametric field really exists...
this won't be hard and I will proceed no matter what happens...
OK I'm done.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: ramset on March 20, 2009, 10:06:49 AM
What part of the world is he in?[and is he open to this idea]
I've been in communication with Mylow (including this morning by phone) about having a http://NewEnergyCongress.org member, Mike Schuckel come in. Mike is brilliant in these kinds of things and would be ideal to do this. He lives about 3.5-4 hours from where Mylow is in Chicago. He also happens to be probably the best person in our NEC to do this. He is very familiar with Howard Johnson technology, and is himself a replicator of technologies (primarily the Flynn motor). Great coincidence.
Here is Mike's profile page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Member:Michael_Schuckel
Before Mike volunteered, I was in dialogue with Richard McGinnis, one of the founders and a present Publisher of Conscious Choice magazine, an international sustainability publication based in Chicago. I met Richard last November in Chicago, sitting next to him in the front row, when he received an award at the Environmental Hall of Fame. He wrote a nice article about that event: http://consciouschoice.com/2009/01/editorsnote0901.html He would be delighted to be able to participate in this historic unfolding.
Mylow has been discussing it with his wife, and they are leaning strongly in the direction of doing this [having a couple of witnesses come in]. They suggested having a live video feed so that anyone who is interested can watch on and even comment (via instant group messages). (e.g. via Justin.TV)
We will need to wait until Mylow either remagnetizes his stator magnet, or gets another one that works, because the present one is diminished enough that the motor no longer works.
Once he gets it running again, we should schedule such a visit with maybe a day in advance, to have time to announce it, to allow more people to schedule to tune in and witness the historic event.
Quote from: Philip Hardcastle on March 20, 2009, 08:22:13 AM
I was passing on a point to the guy that did the video that he may give many people cause for doubt by having a temperature differential. All he needs do is take away the 100W lanp to the close right and video it with an even cool lamp.
I am not sure about the rest of your attack on me but if this is a forum I assume people should talk science not hate.
If there were a 0.1 deg C temperature difference then for 10 watts of heat at one side magneto work of 3.3millijoules might be possible. Now I am not saying it is because like you we are viewers.
Hi Philip,
If you're talking about conventional physics, then that's untrue. The maximum efficiency according to the 2nd law of thermodyanmics is 0.03% efficiency, which is 0.0003W for every available watt. Also the 100W lamp does not produce 100W of light. You may get 15W. Also, the light is not focused only on the disc. If it's 5ft away, then the surface area around a 5ft sphere is 4*pi*r^2 = 4*pi*5^2 = 314 ft^2. If the disc is 1ft radius, then it's surface area is pi*r^2 = 3.14, thus resulting in 3.14/314 = 0.01 times the total emitted light.
The results is 15W * 0.0003 * 0.01 = 4.5E-5 watts! I don't think 4.5E-5 watts is going to spin that disc. And that's using the *entire* disc as a light collector, but in reality you're talking about the PM's, which amounts to far less light collecting area.
Furthermore, you assume that the magnetocaloric effect is a magic tool that easily converts temp gradients into usable power, in this case mechanical motion. No way! In a magnetocaloric effect cooler, the magnetic core is magnetized, in heats up, then the system *must* remove that heat before the applied field is removed; e.g., flowing liquid over the core.
As far as sending someone to see mylows device, at least allow the guy to solve his PM's degaussing. Sorry, but I wouldn't trust anyone at these "free energy" forums. Let the guy try to find an open minded professor.
As far as concerns about this guy being scared off from a lot of people asking questions ... come on! The reason for such concerns is because the "free energy" community has a history of people claiming to find the grand smoking gun, and then getting all pissed and leaving forever when people start asking for some proof. Has it occurred to anyone that if you faked such a video, and then suddenly it's getting so popular that you fear the media could be at your doorsteps in the morning??? That's enough to give anyone chills, to make the history books as a fraudulent person.
Now lets get real. Even children that suddenly went from a normal life to a world star can handle it! As stated above, anyone who runs away because of too many questions and asking for proof and such would be a fraudulent person who's afraid of the media and cameras and the like at their doorsteps within a few weeks.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 20, 2009, 09:53:09 AM
Here's a story I worked up last night / early this morning, drawing from some of my earlier reports:
http://pesn.com/2009/03/20/9501532_Mylow-replicates-Johnson-magnet-motor/
How Mylow Replicated Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor - Story of how a garage tinkerer's 30-years of persistence finally paid off in replicating one of the first publicly announced all-magnet motors.
Wow, now if that doesn't get everyone's hopes up high in this entire community then I don't know what. And then what happens when it turns out to be a fake or not "free energy?" Don't you think that would inflict damage to this community???
Legit researchers: Please don't get your hopes up too high!!!
PL
@sterlinga,
Like I said, if one is to go visit the guy he should be someone not only with proven record in these matters but also someone who has the proper facility to replicate the device promptly. Are these guys you're proposing just watchers or they have hands-on skills and can deliver a replica soon? As for a university professor, I reiterate, I' m categorically against such an idea unless that person with some known contribution in this field. Otherwise, for heaven's sake, don't bother. It'll be a waste of time and effor. We have perfect candidates right here in this forum.
Paul
positive vibes, positive vibes
Nobody is standing on a chair with the rope here
Way to go Sterlinga!!
Chet
Quote from: sterlinga on March 20, 2009, 11:22:05 AM
We will need to wait until Mylow either remagnetizes his stator magnet, or gets another one that works, because the present one is diminished enough that the motor no longer works.
By the way, remember the principles;
"If a magnet discharges, then the device may be getting it's energy from there."
...therefore this needs to be fixed before it's demonstrated. Magnets must not discharge
in an OU device or else discharge very slowly.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@mscoffman,
Quote"If a magnet discharges, then the device may be getting it's energy from there."
There's no such principle. Degaussing is a non-issue at this point. The guy should not use this as an excuse.
Quote from: dixiepnum on March 20, 2009, 09:13:20 AM
this is an open invitation to Sterling, Clanzer, and anyone else with a respected history here (all jokes aside). I am going to assume that this is not a hoax for the purposes of this discussion.
I am afraid Mylow is going to get overwhelmed and lost with all the competing interests, suggestions, and requests he is getting. I'm hoping to get him focused on the right priorities.
Can anyone suggest what the project plan should be for the next 6 months, to prevent this from ending up in the dustbin of OU magnetic perpetual inventions like many others on this site?
Even if we just discuss options for the project plan, at least it will give him some ideas for targets and milestones. He can't please everyone, but maybe we can point him in the right direction.
Once we have a list, we can get his attention with it on Youtube or through Sterling.
@ dixiepnum,
We already established a discussion list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MYLOW_MagMo - commenced March 18, 2009 for those who want to be involved in this project.
I just now grabbed the domain name: http://MylowMagnetMotor.com to redirect to our project page at PESWiki.
As part of open sourcing this, here are some of the steps/milestones as I see it:
- Mylow either remagnetizes his stator magnet or gets a new stator magnet that work (in progress)
- Subdivide the http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW project page as the one page is getting too large, complete with an index bar to display in the right column of each page, and a footer, to provide continuity between pages.
- As more information comes forward, we will keep the PESWiki page(s) updated with the compilation of the best info.
- Have witnesses view Mylow's motor (see my post just prior to this one)
- As more information comes forward, we will keep the PESWiki page(s) updated with the compilation of the best info: material dimensions, specs, sources; assembly instructions, tips, diagrams, photos; replications; updates; theory; etc.
- Once at least one person has replicated this design, let's build a complete instruction manual document.
- After the device has been successfully replicated, we can bring in the media.
- After the instruction manual document has been certified to be clear and accurate, to result in a working device when it is followed, we can make it available for download via Clickbank, e.g. for $20-$50. That way people with websites can promote it and get some revenue, and we can generate revenue for Mylow and for Howard Johnson's heirs. PES Network, Inc. will also get a piece of this action to cover our expenses and help us further our synergistic objectives. The revenue will probably be split evenly three ways between all three of these groups: Mylow, HJ, PES.
- PES Network can use that revenue to hire someone to manage this project, keeping pages up to date, monitoring the discussion list, etc. (If you are interested in serving in this capacity, let me know, providing relevant bio/resume info. Ability with PESWiki, editing, human interactions, writing, image management, web editing, etc. should be noted. Bear in mind that at the beginning, before things grow, wages will be very modest. Until this project matures enough to warrant a hire, those who have demonstrated their interest and ability with the project through their voluntary participation will have an advantage when it comes time to hire someone.) Some of the revenue should also go toward those in the open source project who have contributed the most to its knowledge and volunteer base.
- Simultaneous with the plans preparation, we can start working on a kit. That is also something that could become a hired position from the revenues being generated.
- As demand increases, so can the number of paid positions to keep things running smoothly.
- As new plans emerge (e.g. larger, smaller, better/easier/cheaper materials, modified approaches), these can likewise be made available, both on the open source page for further refinement, as well as via downloadable books via Clickbank promotion by affiliates.
- Also, as soon as replication is accomplished, there are likely to be companies emerge to begin refining these designs for commercial applications. They are likely to keep their progress quiet and to apply for patents on their improvements, which is fine. However, I do think a suggested royalty rate should be presented.
I ran an "Open Source Caveat" statement by Mylow just now when he called again, and he's going to think about it and run it by his lawyer:
"In open sourcing this design, we only request that if you go commercial with it (selling plans, kits, or finished units in volumes of 5 or more), that you include a 3% royalty to be split three ways between Mylow, Howard Johnson's heirs or assigns, and PES Network, Inc. (which is coordinating this project here). There is no patent, and Howard Johnson's patents are expired, and there is no copyright on the contents of these PESWiki pages, so this request is one that is not enforceable. But out of an appeal to ethics, we expect that you honor the request. The royalty percentage is purposely low so that you will not be placed under an unreasonable burden in competing with those who will not honor this request. Contact PES Network, Inc. to work out reasonable licensing arrangements."
He said it is fine for us to list our PESWiki page as the "official site" for this replication project.
I'm going to be sending him some title/description wording/grammar/punctuation edits for his YouTube videos.
| Sterling D. Allan, CEO
| New Energy Congress: http://NewEnergyCongress.org
| (Pure Energy Systems) PES Network, Inc.: http://PESWiki.com
| http://EnergyStork.com - newfangled products
|
| Profile: http://SterlingDAllan.com
| Daily news by email:
| http://www.freeenergynews.com/newsletters
|
| Phone: +1-801-407-1292 (mountain time)
| Fax: +1-801-880-8322
| Eagle Mountain, Utah, USA
Just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGAMUZCZZo&feature=channel_page . The guy sounds so genuine. Reminds me of Finsrud when I visited him a couple of years ago. Unlike Mylow who has his ideas only on paper, Finsrud was showing me on and on actual models he had built throughout the years. Numerous, numerous models. I think he should exhibit them in his gallery. He has them now in a sort of a machine shop in the basement of his gallery. I have on videotape probably a couple of hours of him explaining all these ideas although he asked me not to videotape what’s in his improvised basement machine shop. What we know now about Finsrud is only the crown of all these efforts, unfortunately unsuccessful but that obviously had led him to the relative success he now enjoys.
Probably, the folks here remember the text I wrote about my talks later with colleagues from the physics department at Oslo university. Not worth reminding. There are gifted individuals in this world and there are those relying on job schemes covering that up by calling themselves scientists.
Omnibus
Besides ""Only on paper""He has something spinning on his coffee table
The ball is rolling ,we shall see?
Chet
PS Sterlinga great ideas!!
How many people are now working on replicating mylow's device?
Recent claims by mylow videoing it on a glass table and taking it to a notable scientist sounds good. When or *if* both events occur, IMO a lot of people will begin to replicate it, perhaps even myself! Such events will be the first signs of sincerity he'll show, if he does them, but that's a big if. Although I'm open-minded, people should know there's a good chance mylow will never video it on a glass table or allow a notable scientist analyze his machine. No hopes up of that over here. My only hope here is that in case this is a fake, then everyone here will take their pledge to *NOT* allow this to discourage them in any way.
If it's legit, then IMO the machine won't so easily work if the PM's are replaced with say ceramics of neos, but you never know until you try it. Alnico and hard iron PM's have very unique characteristics from other PM's.
PL
@ramset,
See, the difference is, I've witnessed Finsrud's machine spinning. Conversely, I haven't seen Mylow's in person, let alone spinning as in the video. Oh, as for seeing a video of it showing it spinning I've seen numerous others too, including on coffee tables. Do you think they'd spin as advertised if you'd visited the claimant.
Omnibus
Fortunately sterlinga is on the case ,and it sounds like you will be able to ask questions real time ,to the inventor [quite soon]
Chet
I hope Sterlinga can convince him to prop the camera on some cushions, and show the entire device from startup for about 10 minutes. I have a feeling mylow won't do it, even though he must know that nobody will believe a claim like this without seeing the device run continuously for a while, instead of for a few rotations, which is all he has shown so far.
I have never seen a camera so mishandled: I feel seasick after watching one of his videos, and am beginning to think the mishandling is deliberate.
It is hard to disagree with the fellow on the steorn forum who said:
Come on Grimer, of course he is lying. All he should do is to stay on that thing for a few minutes. Even if he can’t figure that out by himself, I’m sure he’s been asked repeatedly to do just that. What’s with his dirty bed and his stupid drawings? Who cares? He makes no effort whatever to show that that thing is not a fake. Why is that disk so big and heavy? OK his brother’s got a foundry. But more likely it’s because he wants it to spin longer. He has not shown a startup procedure clearly. It’s always his close-ups on the stupid magnets. No matter, none of that is important. All I’m asking is that he stays on it just for three minutes without jerking the camera around, while the entire device is in clear view. That shouldn’t be too difficult.
Like I said, I'd rather have CLaNZeR, X00013, tao etc., with proven record in the field visit, helped by those who would be willing to contribute with funds (I already volunteered). In this way, if that's really worth it, we'll soon have replicas made and demonstrated. Recall, I was suggesting a similar thin when @alsetalokin's scam was going. To no avail, though. Who are these guys sterlinga organizes? What is their contribution to the field? Haven't heard anything about them. Maybe they go by handles in a forum like this but as names they are as obscure as can be. I don't know, I may be wrong, but that doesn't seem to me to be the best choice.
I checked out the 1.04 video pretty good. The video contains four rotations. The first three are very clear, the fourth was to bad angled to be included, the first two roatations are 2.94 seconds, and the third 2.99, with not so great angle, so it might as well be 2.94 seconds. So in trying to figure this puzzle out in regards to Mylows claim that it has been going all night, the video supports his claim, in that 8.82 seconds and three rotations the wheel is not slowing down, at least not to the hundreds of a second.
Maybe I am going over the top with suspicion, but when I watched the beginning of his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGAMUZCZZo&feature=channel_page
I had the impression that he lost the thread of his patter about his drawings, just before he panned left to show the spinning motor (for about 3 seconds), because he was so involved giving it a spin that he couldn't talk and spin at the same time.
Yeah, he's got to be a fake: nobody who does such detailed drawings and careful mechanical construction would fail to provide the most elementary evidence that he had something; ie, he would not fail to prop the camera on some cushions so that it showed the entire device, start the device going, and let it run for 3 or 5 or 10 minutes.
@canam101,
I was just gonna post text in the same vein. That whole issue will be settled solely by a visit, Recall I was suggesting to either someone reputable visit @alsetalokin or have him send his device to someone like @CLaNZeR. Nothing of the sort happened and the whole thing collapsed. If this present guy does not arrange for a visit by someone known to have worked in this area and capable to promptly reproduce the working device, it will collapse too and will go down in history as another ridiculous nonsense.
If a 'free energy driven star yacht' were to descend down upon you guys and revealed a few things to you, promising to share such toys as these, and much more in a short while, you would be content and fulfilled to share the experience and such truths with as many as would listen.
It is like watching men try and build a church in the devil's playground. They toil by day, only to have it torn down each night. Coming back to start over and over again in the sand, when a much more suitable foundation upon the rock is but a short distance away. Who here really thinks that a marginal energy trinket will swoop down as savior against ones as thoroughly compromised as these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_PAqT2JZOw
Many have been visited by the 'free energy driven star yacht'. He is the ARK, the door is still open yet a little while, and His name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, who foretold that these days would come, and who would hold power for a short while. All of His promises being fulfilled to the Letter.
Men possessed of litte faith, prefer only those pursuits which provide reassurance that 'wee the people are all we need.' Or less....as in "I the individual, is all I need." And only trust the work of their own hands. Which is why empires are made to fall.
The hour is late....
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm
Quit worshipping creation and focus on the Creator, then all these things and much more will be added unto you.
God bless,
Mitchell
@X00013,
Did you try to get in touch with the guy and have him show you the motor working?
Omnibus,
I see your point about going down the same old road with this 'open source replication'. The masses trying to reproduce such devices never seem to be exact (different wheel, magnets, etc) especially the more variables you add. (like ocmpmm/whipmag)
On the other hand, if he has a working model, we don't want to risk breaking it by permanently altering any variables (like popping off the magnets and putting them on a glass plate). The only way to do that is either by him making more models (using donated supplies perhaps?) or by us making them outselves.
Heck, I'd chop down some 24" acrylic plate into a circle and mail it in if I knew it'll help.
@Reiyuki,
Quote(like ocmpmm/whipmag)
Don't even mention this stupidity. What an elaborate scam. A hillbilly used by a scammer to make the good people trying to do research look like fools. That's one of the most disgusting episodes in the history of the overunity devices and Steorn still allow it in their forum. Repulsive. If you think the current one is like that we should give it up at once, right at this moment.
What's the big deal here? Just let mylow do what he said he's going to try and do -->
1. Video the machine on a glass table. This will address one main issues.
2. Let a reputable and open-minded qualified scientist analyze his machine.
Until that happens, remain calm, don't get your hopes up, and just sit back and watch the show folks. :)
PL
If faked and the power source is hidden, then the closeups don't matter. If someone suggests he's spinning it with his hand in the closeups, please look carefully at 2:20 to 3:20 of video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo. It would be almost unbelievably hard to spin it by hand so smoothly and with what seems to be so consistent with the magnets themselves pulling the disc. Especially while holding a video camera in the other hand?
Quote from: rrintoul on March 20, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
If faked and the power source is hidden, then the closeups don't matter. If someone suggests he's spinning it with his hand in the closeups, please look carefully at 2:20 to 3:20 of video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo. It would be almost unbelievably hard to spin it by hand so smoothly and with what seems to be so consistent with the magnets themselves pulling the disc. Especially while holding a video camera in the other hand?
I agree that looks very realistic, and it's hard to see how he could have spun it up by hand. On balance though, I still think it is a fake based on his reluctance to show the thing running for more than 10 or 20 seconds.
Let's see it running for 5 minutes and then it might be worth spending time and money on a replication (unless you just like trying this stuff out).
if it's faked I'm sure that he's using a small eletric motor hidden in the driveshaft.
there are some suspicious noises in his videos, but they could stem from the outside (cars, other eletric devices, etc). The only solution is, as sayed before, to visit this guy and :
- take some high quality shots and videos
- require to move the device and to start it by yourself
- take apart the device and take a detailed look at the driveshaft
and then you can replicate being pretty sure that you are not wasting your time/money !
I agree with call for independant examination. While a video can reveal a surprisingly large amount of information about device function, the only way for a device to be truly trusted, is for it to be independantly validated by trusted indivduals, with the appropriate level of technical qualifications, to carry out such a validation.
This will probably not only require scientific skill, but a nose for spotting possible deliberate deception.
You know this is turning out to be more amusing than Al's device and what is being said and done.
1; an aluminum disk on a good spindle bearing. How could one drive such? Simple coil, iron core, with a sine wave.
1A: Is such a device viewable inn the videos?? I will let folks figure out where it is.
3: Does the magnet arrangement exist that can do what is claimed?
3B yes an no. The arrangement will allow a pass through the magnets after the initial gate is forced through. This causes a bit of acceleration to the table and spindle, or mass in motion game.
3C The entrance gate is the problem. Enough velocity of the mass has to occur to get through that gate. This is the unlikely position of this item working. It is also were a distance power source might be useful in this, or unknowingly driving it.
4: if an exterior source is used, is the claimant aware of it?
4A: Most likely not. A device near it is producing enough em to drive the plate. POSSIBLE.
4b: IF He knows: then done as a fake.
5: Is it such he found out of the right combination and materials to get by the entrance gate problem. Then not fake and real.
Now as for some one visiting: Items needed would be instrumentation for detecting external em fields that could be driving the table. If passes that test: A small device to see inside the spindle housing to make sure not battery drive system is in there. If passes then:
As some one else suggested: that the stator magnet is not real and a device made to appear to be a magnet that could drive it.: if passes as real then:
A good Gauss meter to map the fields of the rotor magnet, or magnets, and the stator magnets. Some iron filings to show the situation with them rotor magnets,and any other measurements one would need. Such of course to attempt replication.
What else have I missed in this??
Even if he shows this thing on video for 3 hours non stop in all angles and configuration, people and skeptics will NOT BELIEVE it.
Lost case, without someone going there and measuring.
Also, without anyone trying to replicate is not satisfying to skeptics. After all, skeptics dont believe in anything but themselfs.
Fausto.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on March 20, 2009, 06:09:27 PM
How could one drive such? Simple coil, iron core, with a sine wave.
1A: Is such a device viewable inn the videos??
...
4: if an exterior source is used, is the claimant aware of it?
A lot of easy ways.
One obvious way is to use the huge Aluminum disc for a fundamental induction motor. This coils that would produce the eddy currents in the Al disc could be inside the dresser that it's on.
Another way, spin PM's below the Al disc in the dresser. The moving PM's produce eddy currents, which results in drag. Essentially the PM's will drag the Al disc. The faster, the better.
That's why I'd like to see it run on a glass table. Is this ever going to happen?
PL
I wish I could believe in these videos on trust.
But sadly it's not so, because of some people who get pleasure out of spreading fakes all over the internet ;D
If someone dependable goes and supplies a proof that there's no fake, I will try to replicate the device.
plengo
Any claims to such have to be looked at with skeptic ideas in mind. if not you can waist a lot of time and money on such things.
This whole thing is interesting for the moment to me: In one video he simply shows a SMOT set up and says it will go past the end of the magnets. Yes such will do this depending on how the magnets are arranged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc&feature=channel_page
What he does not show is the wall he would encounter when he would hit it from the other end. He just pulls it into the arrangement and releases it. Such as the horseshoe magnet is not a normal thing in such or is the c magnets of the rotor, yet that wall is there.
So if this thing is real, he gets enough mass in motion to break that initial lock and then it loops. It may take a long time but it will stop. In this case the deterioration of the stator magnet is the blamed cause.
Even so if true this could have some use.
The skeptical side of me questions this one.. Yet I could be wrong. I made notes of what I would be looking for. If some one does see it I hope they use such.
I have no problem replicating this myself asap. I just need one simple fact cleared up, I need to see the pole position of the rotor magnets, it was well noted by someone that the magnets would not snap together like they did in one of his video's. south to south like they did, the way they came together indicates they are typical c mags, meaning no special orders. I invited MYLOW to this forum to discuss his build. Not here yet.
X
Such a friendly group?
And he's a no show??
Luckily the ball is rolling elsewhere [sterlinga]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on March 20, 2009, 09:21:23 PM
X
Such a friendly group?
And he's a no show??
Luckily the ball is rolling elsewhere [sterlinga]
Chet
Lets hope MYLOW finds trust in STERLINGA and lets hope STERLINGA doesnt f'm with his business plan.
two new videos up.
Regarding polarity issue X00013 raised. See in the Commentary section of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSPC5kTeHNc&feature=channel_page what Mylow's answer is to the question:
QuoteMylow could you please make a video showing us how the rotor magnets react to each other. IE will their backs stick together ..
will their legs stick together end to end.
We can see in one of your video 2 magnets stuck together side by side.
This would really help clarify magnetic orientation of the mag poles in your channel magnets as there are many different possible configs available. in your video where we see them stick together it contradicts your drawing.
Please clarify.
THX
Mylow's answer:
Quoteye syou are right but i only thingk that this is the way i am not a magnetic expirt thanks i will learn from this and will corectt my mistake.
What do you get from this?
I get what he says, he is not an expert, and he bought these surplus mags, and they have a very good chance of being your typical n/s pole horseshoe mag, untill this fact is cleared up, replication shall wait.
G'day all,
There is just no way anyone can ever show on You-tube that a device of this nature is not a scam. If you were to present a new invention that seemingly violates CoE to the scientific community by way of a video you would be laughed out of the place.
There is only one way to establish credibility and that is complete disclosure and independent testing.
All of us have seen scam after scam going down, especially with magnet motors, via You-tube, to the point where few are taking these clips seriously anymore.
My point is, Mylow will have to do better than this if he wants to be believed. By the same token, he seems to be a bit more open than most. If he is for real, and I sincerely hope he is, I wish him luck.
Hans von Lieven
Can't agree more. Mutual disposition of the polarities is the single critical issue in this type of motors. Well, let's hope:
Quotei did it stay tuned please stop beggeing ok whate for it i can only go so fast as to you tube posting.
@hansvonlieven, agreed. In terms of openness, we've seen similar "open" claimants, if not better. Let's wee what his answer is going to be to the crucial polarity question X00013 asked him.
Oooops, here goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdGe7kAVCIQ Wow, X00013, you really have a rapport with this guy, Thanks.
the compass vidio is up.
Next thing is to see how these poles are positioned in the clusters of three and that lone cluster of four. Do you think you can ask him that or it will come out naturally?
@X00013, ALNICO magnets from page 7 of http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/products/alnico/pdf/sacatrev.pdf will be just fine for the rotor, don't you think? I thought earlier we understood that the poles of the tips were the same. They are not, obviously.
Hans is in the house!!, ok, checked out the vids, they are typical c mags ( MM), i will order and copy this build asap. And if MYLOW is reading this forum, thanks, i know where u live, just kidding, as far as i am concerned, if i can dupe this before the poloticians of pewski get wind of it the better. My options were A. spend $150 to see MYLOWS build, which didn't happen, or B spend $500 on a puzzle, Or C give the wife $500 and spend time shopping with her. I choose D, and i will post it, thanks again MYLOW (if it works)
@ omni, at this point, we have the dia of the disk, the mag layout, the problem is just what u said, MYLOW placed X amount of cmags on disk, we need to confirm there N?S pole position on the entire disk,
Expected.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
Next thing is to see how these poles are positioned in the clusters of three and that lone cluster of four. Do you think you can ask him that or it will come out naturally?
@X00013, ALNICO magnets from page 7 of http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/products/alnico/pdf/sacatrev.pdf will be just fine for the rotor, don't you think? I thought earlier we understood that the poles of the tips were the same. They are not, obviously.
that can be figured out.
Quote from: X00013 on March 20, 2009, 11:26:55 PM
@ omni, at this point, we have the dia of the disk, the mag layout, the problem is just what u said, MYLOW placed X amount of cmags on disk, we need to confirm there N?S pole position on the entire disk,
Well, X00013, learn from sterlinga and Mylow how to treat your wife (hope she's not reading). I wonder, though, if they'd go as far as "give the wife $500 and spend time shopping with her". Just kiddin'. Good luck, mate, in replicating this. Will follow your efforts holding my breath.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on March 20, 2009, 11:27:43 PM
Expected.
I just asked mylow to use his compass around the circumference of his rotor. It's very important that we know which pole is up and which is down. He said in his video that he didn't even have a compass before. If that's the case, how the hell did he know which position to glue them down in the first place?
Did he just use attract-repel physically to determine their orientation?
Yeah, probably. He can do the same now by holding a small magnet over the periphery and make a 10s vid to settle this most important issue.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 11:36:34 PM
Yeah, probably. He can do the same now by holding a small magnet over the periphery and make a 10s vid to settle this most important issue.
Omni- It should be a piece of cake to replicate after he verifies the polarities, don't you agree?
Seems that way. Now @X00013 is in on it. We haven't heard from @CLaNZeR yet. If they can't replicate it I don't see who can. The visit may not even be necessary. However, if the effect is confirmed Mylow's contraption should end up in a museum.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 20, 2009, 11:45:17 PM
Seems that way. Now @X00013 is in on it. We haven't heard from @CLaNZeR yet. If they can't replicate it I don't see who can. The visit may not even be necessary. However, if the effect is confirmed Mylow's contraption should end up in a museum.
I just posted this in the steorn forum:
I've been staring at a screen shot I took of his motor. It suddenly occurred to me this has to be real. Why you say?
Think about this...even if he was powering this device with a hidden motor or an em pulse the MAGNETS will cause the rotor to cog, stick or vary in speed when the rotor mags pass the stator mag. Even if this was being spun-up by hand, the magnetic fields would interact in some way to make the rotor unstable. Watch his videos again...its so smooth and quiet.
(yea, I'm really pinestone)
Over 50 c-mags, glued on in random equals to well over 100,000 different figs, I myself, would rather know the facts of pole position on each and every one of those mags.
I feel like I'm nit pikn, but its the truth
I left a request he run the compass around the rotor. This is a grouped configuration, That does limit the combination. Strangely enough this even answers the reason for the originals adjustment knob to position the stators to the rotor. It will adjust the balance position between the poles.
Quote from: X00013 on March 20, 2009, 11:56:40 PM
Over 50 c-mags, glued on in random equals to well over 100,000 different figs, I myself, would rather know the facts of pole position on each and every one of those mags.
Now we need a person or company in his area that can do a Gauss map on the magnet s. Any suggestions??
Any of these??
http://chicago-il.yellowusa.com/Magnets_and_Magnetic_Devices_(wholesale).html
Of course. No, you're not nitpicking at all. Magnetic field profile is the crux of the matter in all these systems and the lack of success so far is due exactly to lack of clear knowledge regarding this. We make visibly symmetric constructions, however, the invisible magnetic field is in most cases peculiar and random. Have you noticed that magnets having exactly the same geometric shape exhibit quite varying magnetic field from one piece to another? One, in fact, can never find two matching magnets with respect to field profile no matter how precisely similar they are in shape. Magnetic field profile is crucial and you shouldn't mind bugging the guy on that.
I have a gauss meter and what I usually do is attach the probe to the spindle of a milling machine at a certain fixed distance from the circle of magnets and increment by, say, five degrees. Then I plot the readings and this is how I've found how asymmetric the field is of a seemingly symmetric contraption. Achieving symmetry of the magnetic arrays and controlling its shape is the very essence of the problem with these motors.
Would be nice to have this profile determined by using automatic computer data-acquisition. We, the humans, are so imperfect. Aside from the fact that we can't fly, we can't see the magnetic field either, which, I've read somewhere, some birds can. Well, to be the most intelligent animal on the planet comes at a price.
G'day again,
I am sorry fellahs, but something is making me a little bit jumpy about this deal.
The discrepancy is that the originator of this device appears to know very little about the polarity of the magnets used and their orientation in the device. That, for someone who has been working on a magnetic device for 30 years, seems to be very odd.
Either he doesn't know or he is playing coy.
Have it your way, but am starting to smell a rat.
Hans von Lieven
@hansvonlieven, if this turns out to be real it will be one of the most paradoxical phenomena in the history of technology. Not only the polarity of the magnets confusion, everything else about him, his writing, etc. speaks about a person with less than a good education, to say it mildly. As you can see from my earlier post, I smell a rat big time. And yet, we have The Beatles, musical illiterates who made history. Who knows, maybe one really has to be a tabula rasa to be able to reach such heights up to no one else. Could it be that education hinders the really great achievements, by its indoctrination into ruts, disallowing the exploration and discovery in unchartered territories?
Maybe I spoke too soon. This is what one gets when trying to open his videos: "This video has been removed by the user. "
yeah they've all gone down in the last 5 minutes
His profile http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MYLOW121363&ytsession=0EGbPfuXTghsjwAN47OAk3Q4sPo71v4Pehwt-58sJBH91sFR0MAbEl3ijULvI3i6DpM8Vueh8mAdZaIWaTY17LmnGXAaztcYhKzsH4U9HtuM_pGw5cNfM5eoxw8OAVl8Ar9P8TDyWoNGlR-yOAw3yaJz-JC8ejcLr-HwP-SO7mL5c_MNMCA0c0NFBivGqehJ6gcsNPLdQ6A now says:
QuoteMYLOW121363 has not uploaded any videos
Well lets see
You guy's hounded the shit out of him and if any of you any bit of insite, you would can see see that he would have folded. Do you blame him??? you say of coarst not, because this is how I would have done it, will guess what, now he pulled the plug.
Are U happy?
Actually i enjoy reviewing his work and of coarse i had Q's, but i wanted to wait and see all of his postings. Sure glad i grab so of them before yarded them
Now you will start baddering him after the fact. Leave him alone and go and prove something fopr your self.
Bill
yeah, bit of a bummer. Oh well, i guess wait and see if sterlinga gets another chat with him or not to see what's going on.
Of course, I'd blame him and nobody else if he'd done that. Recall, however, that he was taking his videos off youtube before and then reinstated them. Who knows what's going on.
Do you remember what @xpenzif did? Took down his videos, his profile saying that it has been sold to someone. Then the whole account was removed: http://www.youtube.com/user/xpenzif. At least Mylow's account is still here. We shall see for how long.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 21, 2009, 12:48:54 AM
The discrepancy is that the originator of this device appears to know very little about the polarity of the magnets used and their orientation in the device.
I think he just lost track of which side of the C magnet was N and which was S. Not something you really have to keep track of because you just put it near one of the other magnets to figure it out.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 21, 2009, 01:22:00 AM
Do you remember what @xpenzif did?
Wow, I forgot about that guy. We need a place for all of these videos that disappear from youtube. Can we just put them back on youtube?
on closing his videos I suspect:
As for him he is most likely confused over the latest information. If he did what I asked him to do he may even be more confused.
He was thinking it was done one way and found out he was wrong about such. Just that can be overwhelming. I suspect this is the reason for such. Hoping he just made them private and did not delete them.
@rrintoul, they are there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9s33X9D4I, to always remind us about some things we often tend to forget.
I got all the videos excluding the 3 put out today. If it's still down tomorrow I'll throw my copies back up there.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on March 21, 2009, 01:26:04 AM
As for him he is most likely confused over the latest information. If he did what I asked him to do he may even be more confused.
What did you ask him to do?
@Omnibus. It's funny you mentioned acting. I found it odd that Alsetalokin has been missing from all of the usual haunts the last week or so...
Sounds from the guy posting right before it all want away that he was going to post a video right before he pulled them.
Blaming Al for all of this. ROTFLMAO.
All I can is WOW!!!!!!
@ Omi Why say such things i.e. Acting ??? and if not you were thinking it! After all he is not in you class room.
Come on now ?
As for the rest of you, are you that thick skinned! Quick talking Shit! and let it go. Mylow is nothing like Mag motorman, and you know it. Quit talking crap and wish him the best, for a maybe sometime in the future he will post additional info, but if you all keep up with the ... He my just bunch it.
After all he posted what he felt was real in his interpretation.
B.
Sorry it takes three, and if you could you would have already done so. It is the most amusing part of that video, No one has been able to fake it. As for a $1000, hmm maybe some one can take up a donation for you. You folks are amusing.
As for the guy leaving. LOL does not mean it is fake, yet the whole thing reaked of such to begin with. Now enough info is out to see if it is.
He could just be very confused at the moment. The compass thing goes against all he said about how it worked. If he took it around his rotor it might have even confused him more. Yet he put up a video against the way he thought it worked. A plus to me on this.
I took the lack of apparent knowledge as a possible game of luck with this one, yet such usually says fake and is a cover for such. 30 years and does not know the poles on his magnets?? If real it is luck. If fake just covering tracks.
Well folks will try it, and we may get some answers.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 21, 2009, 02:30:31 AM
Pay me $1000 & I'll fake Al's video with one arm.
PL
mylow profile
"I AM A SELF TOUGHT INVENTOR I LIKE CHALENGES AND HAVE ALLWAY ADMIRED THE WORLD OF MAGNETS AND WHY THEY WORK."
doesnt sound like he 'tought' himself enough
cant read a ruler
what 45 yr old doesnt know what 1/16" of an inch is
or 5th grader for that matter
doesnt know which direction his magnets r orientated
how can u handle those magnets and not realize the poles are on the ends through the length and not the faces through the thickness
could have been a hidden magnetic drive in the drawer making it spin and probably even setup by someone else cause he doesnt appear to know much about alot of things
or maybe he got recalled to his homeworld nebular for violating the galactic nocontact resolution
The guy in the vids is not Al.
So, did the original Howard motor work or not? I feel I haven't got any confirmed claims that it did.
Do the replica work or not? Isn't it time for a conclusion?
Anyway, I have replicated this motor with Femm - Femm is in fact a damn good simulator. All magnetic fields are been accounted for, and the simulation is so extremely close to my real experiments with magnets, so I do not have one single doubt that Femm is doing the job more than well enough.
Now, I have simulated the replica in Femm. A 2D calculation is good enough for such simple magnetic layout. At first it seems that it works, but that is only within a given distance between stator- and rotormagnets. Outside that area, there is these damn fu#¤%&cing magnetic fields that is returning to its source that destroys the whole thing, and perfectly match all forces or tourque with the very same counterforce. These magnetic fields really pisses me off, because they allways goes back to complete the loop - regardless of the complexity of the magnet layout. And it is allways been confirmed by real physical experiments too. It does not help using metals or magnetic shielding, because the magnetic lines is allways finding a way out and back to the system - these lines is all there all the time except they are just twisted, altered in direction or whatever. These magnetic lines will regardless of any attempt to "fool" them, finding their way back - only to piss anyone off who is trying to make a magnet motor working.
Well, that was my blowout for this time ;D No offence to anyone, I just had to let it out.
Br.
Vidar
Hmmm....
I was wondering when a lawyer would tell him to yank the videos and shut up about it.
Too bad. With all the noise focused in this thread............ Well, it will be back to normal soon.
@All,
I already pointed that out but I’ll reiterate it because it seems to be the sign of the new times that are dawning upon us. With the advent of the internet it becomes really difficult for those who control the destinies or, to put it closer to home, who control the funding for research, to curb the dissent. In view of dramatic collapses such as the close to a billion dollar project to “prove†nonsense such as Einstein’s theory of relativity via projects such as Gravity Probe B, unbridled dissent on the internet aggravates the situation of those holding the party line (and funding) still further. Therefore, new and unusual ways to get a grip on people’s desires and natural tendencies to free themselves from wasting their tax dollars are being sought. Among many “novelties†in this respect I’m spotting organized efforts to discourage, demoralize, wear out, the active enthusiasts from continuing on. It has become apparent that neither dictatorship, nor quasi-democratic measures work to achieve that. Therefore, the novelty is to stage charades such as the one by @alsetalokin and this current one with our own Mylow. This conclusion of mine may sound far-fetched but I won’t be amazed if there’s some truth in it. Hope Mylow comes back and explains it isn’t so in his case but I’m not so sure about the new internet realities as a whole. Ultimately, however, I’m sure truth will find its way and those plotting the scenarios in question will well find out they aren’t reckoning the host.
The original Patent had to be presented to the patent office examiner to prove it worked. Normally if you present a New Technology such as this the powers that be put a gag on it " In the interests of national security" .
So it begs the question. Did it get examined? Or were the powers that be on holiday at the time?
@Mylow
Great work! Hope it goes well for you. That initial burst of excitement can cause some real problems. I hope you learned that lesson. Maybe next time you'll have your work benefiting you and yours before you post it to the freak show we call the internet.
@TheRest
Being a former party concerned with national security I can say there was a day when we would watch the action of these groups and individuals. Even then it was not an assignment. It was for the comedy. I'm sure my former comrades are busy with more important issues, now.
Just as well, the watchers aren't concerned. They know these things are self destructive. I've counted 11 such actions on this site alone since I joined. Each one was very possible or already confirmed as fact.
Sorry, I didn't mean to intrude or partake in the main pastime of most - useless discussion, self inflation, insults, and banter.
@Sterlinga
hard for one pole to keep the tent up, isn't it?
We'll never know for certain ... well until humanity invents the time camera, but I still have my firm opinion about mylow, and you know what it is. :(
Anyhow, just to be certain mylow wasn't bumped off, maybe someone who has spare time and $ can replicate his design and/or Howard Johnson's. If by chance the Howard Johnson design is legit, then IMO it will take a lot of trial and error to get it just right.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 21, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
We'll never know for certain ... well until humanity invents the time camera, but I still have my firm opinion about mylow, and you know what it is. :(
Anyhow, just to be certain mylow wasn't bumped off, maybe someone who has spare time and $ can replicate his design and/or Howard Johnson's. If by chance the Howard Johnson design is legit, then IMO it will take a lot of trial and error to get it just right.
PL
Well, his design is quite simple and easily replicated (providing the rotor mags aren't in some random magnetic configuration). I'm currently involved with a project that is my primary focus, but be assured- when I get a break from it, mylow's motor will be my next project. I have enough screen shots and measurements to re-create it.
I'll find out for myself if it has any merit.
His 90 degree offset between the stator and rotor mags allow for the fields to be 'on edge', so-to-speak. Of which I find an unusual configuration.
I'm mirroring all of Mylow's old videos here for all those interested:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=reiyuki&view=videos
should be up within an hour
Quote from: sterlinga on March 20, 2009, 12:30:10 AM
[also posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo and linked from the "latest developments section at http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW ]
They also told him (paraphrasing), "We can't keep remagnetizing your magnet for you. It costs us
a lot of money to run that machine and to maintain the hydrogen....
Sterling
This is very intriguing.
How does one re-magnetise the magnet? Can anyone cast light on this? If there is a way to
magnetise, demagnetise, and remagnetise (possibly with the poles reversed) quickly without the
expenditure of much energy, this would, obviously, open many doors.
Paul.
pinestone,
true, his design is simple, but simulating realistic magnetic designs for years in ferrosim there's zero doubt that spacing and perhaps more importantly ***timing*** can be extremely critical. Spin it too fast, and the material does have sufficient time to recover. Most people have no idea the world of effects that occur inside magnetic material. I've shown real experiments of how magnetic material has *long term* magnetic viscosity, as in from seconds to days. People often refer to this as the "sweet spot." Hopefully there's enough resolution in mylow's videos. You'll need to know if mylow somehow removed some of the material on the PM's for a possible slight slope, the spacing, etc.
Best wishes,
PL
Quote from: Paul-R on March 21, 2009, 11:26:57 AMHow does one re-magnetise the magnet? Can anyone cast light on this? If there is a way to
magnetise, demagnetise, and remagnetise (possibly with the poles reversed) quickly without the
expenditure of much energy, this would, obviously, open many doors.
Paul.
In this thread I've already detailed how to magnetize alnico and hard iron PM's. You can use two NdFeB PM's. That's all! As stated in the prior post, I found it very unusual for mylow to say he spends money to magnetize those types of PM's. Heck, you could almost breath on them to magnetize such weak PM's.
PL
Good work guys, looks like he pulled all his vids.
thay
Not only looks like he pulled all his vids but he actually did pull all his videos.
Omnibus
I know who I am.
As for you stating scientific method, I wounder if you even understand such.
As for your paranoid delusions??? They are there in your posts, plain, simple, easy to see.
As for Al, well you don't like him it seems as is your right. Yet again your posts about him show your anger to delusions.
Hell even bringing him into this thread about some one (not Al) shows the bias you really have for all of these ideas. Are you the one sending threats to the person who pulled the videos?? Such would not be beyond realistic reasoning with what you show in your posts.
Ever heard of dyslexia and other learning, reading and speaking disability?? There is a good excuse for some of what folks saw and heard in the videos.
Hell dude you do not even begin to understand the pressure all of this crap place on a person. You simply do not have the empathy, or simply refuse to do so. I find that part of your posts the most telling thing about you. Are you or have you been diagnosed as Asperger??
Have folks told you you do not under stand others emotions and situations??
Apply some of the scientific method at your self dude.
For those that missed it-
New file posted in downloads:
Howard Johnson: Secret World of Magnets
I uploaded a 45 page .pdf by Howard Johnson (2.5 MB)
It discusses magnetic gates, vortices within a magnet, details of his 'banana' curved/cupped magnets etc.
Some different and interesting magnet theory is presented and worth the read.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item251
See the attached screenshots of a couple of items of interest.
- -
Whether the device was real or not, it does present/revisited some interesting ideas not usually considered.
(and all things considered, especially the lack of knowledge on his part of the pole arrangements reduces the probability further)
Quote from: pinestone on March 21, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
His 90 degree offset between the stator and rotor mags allow for the fields to be 'on edge', so-to-speak. Of which I find an unusual configuration.
This is an interesting point. The stator mag has a 'wide/flat' field while the rotor mags have a 'narrow/tall' field. And when the two intersect in the middle, you will have zero(or close to zero) interacting fields - no 'sticky spot'.
And the u-shaped stator is a different approach than usual. This might result in the approaching rotor mag 'riding' the spin of the stator on the way in, neutral at dead center, then repulsing 'riding' the stator spin on the way out.
There's a small but nonzero chance that he didn't want the attention and needed to pull them till things die down a bit. I'm mirroring the site so people can still view them, and at least that way he doesn't get all the correspondence from before. If it's fake, then the damage was already done and putting them up won't hurt.
http://www.youtube.com/user/reiyuki
Now back to the subject of all of this;
It has been my experience that such claims are based on simple misunderstanding of what is going on. It was easily shown in this one by the compass video and how he thought it worked. Two different things it seems.
Even this information is still not showing the possible whys of it running.
In my experiences with this stuff, about 40 percent are true fakes, and the other 59 percent are misunderstanding of what is going on in were the energy comes from, and or what is really happening in a system.
Mistakes seem to be more common than out right fake. Most outright fakes are easy to spot.
Quotecapthook: This is an interesting point. The stator mag has a 'wide/flat' field while the rotor mags have a 'narrow/tall' field. And when the two intersect in the middle, you will have zero(or close to zero) interacting fields - no 'sticky spot'.
And the u-shaped stator is a different approach than usual. This might result in the approaching rotor mag 'riding' the spin of the stator on the way in, neutral at dead center, then repulsing 'riding' the stator spin on the way out.
That's what I was talking about earlier in this thread. His magnets were oriented 90 degrees offset from stator to rotor.
Which means the fields are intersecting each other in the East-West plane, not North-South.
The East-West plane is the null, or zero. I refer to it as the 'edge' of the field.
Another item: For those of you who followed the Steorn stuff years ago, remember Sean talking about 'bad' magnets?
In my own experiments, I've re-polarized ferrite-magnets (bad) with a Neos (good) quite easily. The ferrite will return to it's original polarization once the Neo is removed.
Don't believe me? Try it.
@X00013,
What's going on? Trying to send you a mp but youtube says your account has been closed. Is youtube closing accounts left and right? Wonder why I still have one?
Ever heard of Stephen Walker?
Seems he played the same game as Mylow is doing now with Sterling D. Allan in , wait for it, 2002 !!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4113.150;topicseen
The only difference, the 2009 version comes with You-tube videos.
Hans von Lieven
@capthook, that's interesting but is an illustration of only one rotor-stator pair. Do you have the 3D picture of the entire array of rotor magnets interacting w/ the stator. This is where the huge difference occurs, wrought w/ insurmountable troughs, as the experience so far shows. The hope was that Mylow somehow restructured that compound rotor field to somehow have it somehow forming a net tangential vector over the clusters of three until the gate, that is, the cluster of four arrived. to allow repetition of the cycle. Roughly that was the expectation and whether or not he achieved it has to be seen. I'm expecting to see if @X00013 still wants to try it.
See, the thing is one can make the rotor turn almost 360 degrees when you start it from what is usually called "sweet spot". But the overcoming of the barrier when the second turn is to commence is the real problem. Thus, if you only have clusters of three (in fact pairs of such clusters, thinking of the Mylow's videos) and even if you succeed to achieve tangential displacement, a moment comes when you arrive at the beginning of the first cluster and this is where the real problem is. We've seen it in more than one cases. Whoever manages to achieve the overcoming of that barrier will be the winner. What was expected here was that the cluster of four was somehow performing that duty and it is still unclear to me whether or not it can really be achieved in this way.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 21, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
See, the thing is one can make the rotor turn almost 360 degrees when you start it from what is usually called "sweet spot". But the overcoming of the barrier when the second turn is to commence is the real problem. Thus, if you only have clusters of three (in fact pairs of such clusters, thinking of the Mylow's videos) and even if you succeed to achieve tangential displacement, a moment comes when you arrive at the beginning of the first cluster and this is where the real problem is. We've seen it in more than one cases. Whoever manages to achieve the overcoming of that barrier will be the winner. What was expected here was that the cluster of four was somehow performing that duty and it is still unclear to me whether or not it can really be achieved in this way.
I agree. Getting past the 'sticky spot' is the downfall of all the other designs. I believe his 'unbalanced' magnetic flywheel is why it continued to turn.
If it worked for 11 hours, for what reason did it stop?
The solution should be something like an Escher picture http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/746-painting-of-ladders.html. The “sweet spot†is the top of the hill where the ball starts rolling down until it reaches the bottom which is also a top of a follow-up hill and so on, to infinity. The hope was that that quadruple set of rotor magnets plays to role of such enabler.
The above resembles very much what is observed in my favorite device where lifting the ball from A to B would recover the same energy when the ball is back from B to A. However, instead of that, the ball falls a different route whereby the fall from height B back to A through C is higher than the direct A-B, B-A height. So, in the second case, the same A but the fall from B is from a greater height, as it were.
Did it really work for 11 hours without the input of external energy? If it did, I don't care why it stopped on the 11th hour.
I'd hardly call ferrite magnets crappy. It depends what you want. All neo's, with the exception of bonded neo's have low resistance, and therefore are susceptible to eddy currents. Ferrite PM's are electrical insulators, and therefore no measurable eddy currents. Coercivity (what makes a PM) in neo's decreases with increase in temp. Coercivity in all ferrites I'm aware of increases with an increase in temp. So if you need good temp and no eddy currents, then ferrites might be a good choice.
Alnico, ... now that's a crappy PM, LOL!
PL
"Did it really work for 11 hours without the input of external energy? If it did, I don't care why it stopped on the 11th hour."
Why do you even believe such can happen without a know, or unknown source of external energy???
I spoke with Mylow this morning, asking him why he took down the videos last night. He said that he draws the line at his family being threatened. I asked him what form that threat took. He said it was something posted here at Overunity.com.
I helped him realize that it was just some forum members being obnoxious. Unfortunately, some of you guys can be extremely rude, and even crossing lines that I would not allow if I was moderating this site. You'd be out of there if I was in charge, possibly even reporting you the police, to let you have some karma for the negative energy you put out. You've disrupted things for those of us who are trying to get enough information to be able to replicate the claimed effect.
I'm going to be bringing this to Stefan's attention, mentioning three users in particular, who Mylow mentioned by username.
When someone is going through as much turmoil as Mylow is right now, it is not a good idea to even joke about threats. He's been getting 3,000 emails a day. Yahoo even contacted him complaining about the volume of bandwidth he was using. He was up until 3:00 am last night trying to respond to each one.
He said that 85-90% of the comments are favorable, but some are extremely hurtful in their tone and charges.
I told him to just ignore those and stop reading the forum if it is going to effect him that way. It's been my experience that people can be brutally rude here and on other like forums -- people who never learned how to properly relate to fellow human beings.
He said he will be reposting the videos later today, and possibly shooting a video of the motor running on a glass table he has.
He discovered that one of the other U-shaped iron magnets he had kicking around has enough magnetism to make the motor run.
Meanwhile:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=reiyuki&view=videos - back-up location (by another user) of the MYLOW12136 videos
I've posted this link over at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
I spoke with Mylow this morning, asking him why he took down the videos last night. He said that he draws the line at his family being threatened. I asked him what form that threat took. He said it was something posted here at Overunity.com.
I helped him realize that it was just some forum members being obnoxious. Unfortunately, some of you guys can be extremely rude, and even crossing lines that I would not allow if I was moderating this site. You'd be out of there if I was in charge, possibly even reporting you the police, to let you have some karma for the negative energy you put out. You've disrupted things for those of us who are trying to get enough information to be able to replicate the claimed effect.
I'm going to be bringing this to Stefan's attention, mentioning three users in particular, who Mylow mentioned by username.
When someone is going through as much turmoil as Mylow is right now, it is not a good idea to even joke about threats. He's been getting 3,000 emails a day. Yahoo even contacted him complaining about the volume of bandwidth he was using. He was up until 3:00 am last night trying to respond to each one.
He said that 85-90% of the comments are favorable, but some are extremely hurtful in their tone and charges.
I told him to just ignore those and stop reading the forum if it is going to effect him that way. It's been my experience that people can be brutally rude here and on other like forums -- people who never learned how to properly relate to fellow human beings.
He said he will be reposting the videos later today, and possibly shooting a video of the motor running on a glass table he has.
He discovered that one of the other U-shaped iron magnets he had kicking around has enough magnetism to make the motor run.
Meanwhile:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=reiyuki&view=videos - back-up location (by another user) of the MYLOW12136 videos
I've posted this link over at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Sterling
1. I have *not* seen one person make a threat to mylow. Ask Stefan to find the proof, rather than believing mylow.
2. Rude? There are some people here making statements based on no information or references that could be rude, but it's mostly people pointing out information/data on events in the videos, and offering their interpretation of such data. Maybe you want a dictatorship where everyone only says what sterling likes.
3. Negative Karma? Hell will freeze over when speaking truth is negative karma. How about prematurely declaring this as legit as collecting some negative karma.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
I spoke with Mylow this morning, asking him why he took down the videos last night. He said that he draws the line at his family being threatened. I asked him what form that threat took. He said it was something posted here at Overunity.com.
I'm going to be bringing this to Stefan's attention, mentioning three users in particular, who Mylow mentioned by username.
I must disagree with this. I even went back and read the whole thread again. At no time has anyone made any threats against Mylow. While he may have reasons for removing the vids, and he doesn't even NEED any reason, to propose that it was due to threats made HERE is wrong and inaccurate.
Would you care to quote/post the offending comments? If you research the claims, you will find them to be lacking and inaccurate.
Mr. Sterling:
For your information, I have also received plenty of threatening emails on this website for my invention that I posted last year. You just have to accept skeptics that do not believe in things like this. I appreciate everything that you are doing with magnet polarities but I hate to burst your bubble. As I posted on my website, about 15 years ago, I went through all of Howard Johnson's diagrams inside and out and went through dozens of different magnets. I used C magnets on a disc just like he did. With a large C magnet to rotate the wheel, I did many, many tests from every different angle possible, moving the magnets both North and South, repositioning them. The design he has will never work. For all the testing I did on the magnet wheel, I found out that using strip magnets at a 45 degree angle on the disc, standing on edge, was about the only thing I could come up with to make the wheel turn using a large C magnet to push the strip magnets on the disc. Again, I appreciate all you are doing to further free energy but I have been through this and I've done his design. With all this said and done, you will probably never get to see his machine and he will most likely come up with excuses all the time. Furthermore, listening to his videos, every time he starts the disc you will hear some kind of starter motor noise in the background. Even if he does a demonstration on a glass table and he has some kind of starter motor, you will still not see it.
As I told you over the phone I will be having Jim Dunn and Ted Loder down here to document my machine when it's ready - and that will be soon. Good luck on your work.
James
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 21, 2009, 04:45:17 PM
1. I have *not* seen one person make a threat to mylow. Ask Stefan to find the proof, rather than believing mylow.
2. Rude? There are some people here making statements based on no information or references that could be rude, but it's mostly people pointing out information/data on events in the videos, and offering their interpretation of such data. Maybe you want a dictatorship where everyone only says what sterling likes.
3. Negative Karma? Hell will freeze over when speaking truth is negative karma. How about prematurely declaring this as legit as collecting some negative karma.
PL
I know that my friend who visits this forum, has been threatened as well here..for shareing his results via email.
Just to let you know..
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
I spoke with Mylow this morning, asking him why he took down the videos last night. He said that he draws the line at his family being threatened. I asked him what form that threat took. He said it was something posted here at Overunity.com.
I'm going to be bringing this to Stefan's attention, mentioning three users in particular, who Mylow mentioned by username.
Sterling
G'day Sterling,
Rather than going to Stefan I suggest you click on to the names of the three users you were given and check out their last posts. If there is any truth in Mylow's allegations it should show up there without having to go through the entire thread.
Personally I have not seen anything that could even vaguely be considered a threat to Mylow or his family. But, I could have missed something.
I know you to be a fair man Sterling and I am sure you will check out these allegations and tell us the outcome, especially after making these accusations.
Hans von Lieven
Please let me know, if anybody from the forum here attacked Mylow and I will ban
him.
Maybe he did itvia Personal Mail or email ?
Please let me know.
Well, I was 2 days away and was there ever posted a video
that showed the motor turning and accelerating ?
Too bad he has removed all the videos.
In the reposted videos I don´t see a fully running motor,
just always some parts are missing.
Please post the URL of the full working motor video.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 21, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
Please let me know, if anybody from the forum here attacked Mylow and I will ban
him.
Maybe he did itvia Personal Mail or email ?
Please let me know.
Well, I was 2 days away and was there ever posted a video
that showed the motor turning and accelerating ?
Too bad he has removed all the videos.
In the reposted videos I don´t see a fully running motor,
just always some parts are missing.
Please post the URL of the full working motor video.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Check this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398&feature=channel_page
it shows the motor running.
i was online last night when he pulled his stuff - i didn't see anyone threaten him here or on YouTube but if someone from here
did threaten him via email then i agree
Kick him off and call the cops too.
Unacceptable !
Quote from: JDHardy54 on March 21, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
As I posted on my website, about 15 years ago, I went through all of Howard Johnson's diagrams inside and out and went through dozens of different magnets.....
For all the testing I did on the magnet wheel, I found out that using strip magnets at a 45 degree angle on the disc, standing on edge, was about the only thing I could come up with to make the wheel turn using a large C magnet to push the strip magnets on the disc.
Do you have any data/details still posted online of your research? Link?
Any tests/data etc. you might share here would be appreciated and useful.
Was the 45 degree magnet arrangement similar to this drawing of a Howard Johnson design?
Hi Stefan,
Although I don't post on this thread, I have been following it from the beginning and I read every single post. I can assure you no one has threatened Mylow and his family. Read all the posts and see for yourself before you pull the ban stick. Don't just take action based on somebody's words and false allegations.
Thanks,
Miki.
I have goon through this whole thread again and find no threats to family. I do find were a couple of times the word wife was mentioned, yet it was not in a manner to be taken as a risk or threat.
It may be he has misunderstood some thing here.
If it was emailed I have no way to tell of such.
I didn't see any threat towards Milow (but my grasp of english may be pretty bad)
however, I've seen some quite rude terms qualifying him, and it's a pity because someone sensitive could easily feel upset being called a scammer, a bad actor, and all these things.. His claims are ambiguous but you don't have to repeat it time and time, let's see what happens.
Besides, the main goal of a fake is usually to spread false hopes, to make people waste their time, and then to vanish into thin air, leaving everyone doubtful. The bigger time it lasts, the funnier for the scammer. Milow has uploaded the firsts vids just a week ago, so his flee from youtube doesn't mean fake in any way for me.
G'day all,
I think we all agree that there has been no threat against Mylow or his family in this thread.
As to E-mail and PM I ask how that could be possible. I have checked this thread again and I cannot find a post originated by Mylow, nor do I see an E-mail address for him.
So how could anyone here have contacted him apart from the people who speak for him here and are evidently in contact with him.
It pisses me off when these unfounded wild allegations are being made without evidence. If true, it would have been a simple matter to quote the offending post.
Which begs the question: What is really going on here?
Just something to think about
Hans von Lieven
I think a lot of mylows problems will go away when he can start providing better videos (e.g., machine on glass table) and taking the machine to a reputable scientist. As far as threats, mylow needs to understand there will always be sicko's who will threaten people. Take such threats to the authorities. We don't need thugs! Make sure to use an email account such as yahoo or google mail where the emails are stored on their server. Yahoo & Google are unbiased companies, and can help the authorities. Emails stored on ones own computer can easily be faked.
PL
@capthook,
Maybe I shouldn't rub it further because it's a common knowledge but just as an illustration of my last posts take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7-i9-Jy4k&NR=1 . This is what the couples of the 3-clusters will achieve at most if not for that extra 4-cluster that was probably the solution. Too bad he decided to pull the vids right at the very crucial moment when he was asked to demonstrate, using his compass, what the form of the rotor magnetic field is. What is your answer to that problem, since you've studied Howard Johnson's approach -- it may help those who may be trying to replicate the motor.
It looks like mylow just deleted his youtube account. Now it says, "User MYLOW121363 not found!"
PL
I checked http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363 right after I read your post and it's still there from where I am.
Any one get the compass video??
Spinner; goes around and tries to play Forum police he loves to give out his resume but he is no friend to this Forum Completely disregaurd his contributions here He wants you gone Did this recently on the Stiffler thread the imhotep thread and other places because he was COMPLETELY unaware of what was going on [and jumped to ignorant conclusions ]Chet
Spinner; yes the" village idiot " and even I recognized the huge potential of the Stiffler HHo 96% efficiency cell and imhoteps thread whats your excuse? and Im sorry I missed the kind words you wasted on me [maybe you were sleeping when you posted?] Oh, and if you do post nice things in your sleep maybe you should spend more time sleeping! and BTW have a nice life Chet
Spinner; All the websites you go on you or a (IDIOT).
I'm optimistic of what Mylow appears to have accomplished and I hope it is real.
However, I just finished watching the video where the wheel is shown rotating quite a number of rotations with the motor in full view ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398&feature=channel_page) and with it being started and stopped 3 times.
I had not considered the possibility of this being a fake until now.
The easiest and best way to fake this (if one was so inclined), imho, would be to have a motorized disc with peripheral magnets situated on the other side of the wall. When this motor is started up, the aluminum disc would begin to rotate due to magnetic coupling of the peripheral magnets on each disc. They would counter-rotate in relation to each other.
There is indeed a motor type sound just before each startup. This may or may not be the sound of another motor starting up. What troubles me in this video though is the method Mylow uses to stop the disc. The first two times he pushes the wood stator end-piece into the disc to cause it to stop. A considerable time passes each time before the end-piece is moved away again. Is this because moving it away right after would inadvertently cause the disc to start rotating again? The third time the disc is stopped, Mylow stops it with his hand, but then again as before, moves the end-piece into contact to keep it from "inadvertently" rotating again, and he releases his hand.
Please know that I am not insinuating that this is what he has done, only that it does appear this way when looking at it from this possibility. I hope the motor is real.
In any case, Cheers Mylow!
.99
one video back up .
Lanblan
That quote was made in anger [by me ] Spinner is not the bad guy ,Just a smart guy, that doesn't want this forum to look ignorant
Chet
OK, he's back: http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
Couldn't you cut one of these in half to replicate his C magnet?
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=40075&cat=1,42363,42348&ap=2
Good excuse to play in the workshop ;D
Sorry no alinco or any other primative magnets avalible at this time , might have a go with loadstone tomorrow..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsvd3YptLE
ramset;
I disagree.
Spinner is more like a true Skeptic.
However forums and internet gave rise to thousands of synical Psycho Skeptics.
You cant argue the facts I presented. Skeptics by nature dont look close enough at evidenence supporting the theory.
They are supposed to. But in reality, most Skeptics dont look for supporting evidence, only evidence to debunk the claim.
As well as a skeptic will only choose to critisize a theory, based on his belief of it not being real.
You dont see unbiased skeptics, looking at both sides of the evidence, indifferently.
You see the exact opposite, a quick reflax action quickly pointing out the first obvious flaws or good counter claims.
This is entirely wrong way to find Any evidence, Pro or Con.
That is why skeptics will always have the Lower hand.
Note: Some True, Open Minded, Unbiased (Qualified) Skeptics, ther are reports that after investing a claim they did not believe, afterwords they believed in it due to the amount of supporting evidence they uncovered.
That is how a real skeptic works.
Unfortunetly, the theories and belief patterns of real Scientists have been shrunk into biased to unconventional theories. Accordingly, wanabe scientist skeptics also learn these techniques and add ther own "logic" to the equation and you have a fumbled solution.
It just doesnt, wont, and will never work, skeptism is only counter-productive.
This does not mean to blindly believe, or be unbiased unfairly to the Pro side of the Theory. Neutral, both sides. So naturally the majority of believers and open minded people, lack this first obstacle of unbiased opinion.
Because a believer doesnt exscusivly believe, they are open to being wrong.
Where a skeptic on the most part, exsclusivly doesnt believe in it, because that is a definition of a skeptic. And more then often, gets defensive when there claim is challenged, they refuse to be wrong, and also dislike being wrong, as well as ther "Job" of being a skeptic means, when they prove a theory wrong, they won a prize.
They won the theoretical debate. Ther smarter because they debunked this "hoax". Thus the skeptic has another disadvantage and ther is a winning and reward factor when a skeptic succesfully "debunks" a theory.
On the other hand, the believer, experimentor, or True Skeptic, does not really care if they prove or disprove the theory. Because to them, proving the theory wrong, is the same reward as proven it right
Quote from: rrintoul on March 21, 2009, 09:25:43 PM
Couldn't you cut one of these in half to replicate his C magnet?
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=40075&cat=1,42363,42348&ap=2
no , as they are not diametrically magnetised. I don´t thing "C" Shaped magnets are required, although the opposite pole might be having some effect on the alinco but as the stator magnet is only about half an inch thick it will only really interact with the top of the Rotor C magnets or just the top pole. Although i would be nice to know for sure if all of those magnets are presenting the same poles etc.
Replacing the magnets with all neos like i just did , will probably not get you anywhere as the properties of the original magnets are unkown at present
Probably they should not be neos but some weaker mags to avoid cooperative effects other than the first neighbors. Maybe that's why this 3-clustering works. Pairs of 3-clusters, rather. The role of that lone 4-cluster is even more unclear.
I just talked to Mylow again.
He is presently re-uploading his videos.
He also plans to video the motor on his glass table and upload that as well tonight.
He has constructed a new stator support of all aluminum, instead of having wood on each end.
I'm a little dubious about that one, as it could introduce some parasitic eddy currents as the rotor magnets pass by the aluminum legs nearby, creating a braking effect, perhaps even enough to keep the thing from working.
He said he had the one stator magnet re-magnetized today. The guy said, "You can't keep coming in here. I'm going to get in trouble with my boss."
He said he was also going to post a video showing the different in performance between stator magnets that have been magnetized with different polarities.
I agree with those of you who think Mylow over-reacted. But at the same time, I do not agree that being rude and obnoxiuos is okay. Put yourself in his shoes. You've been working on this your entire adult life -- nearly 30 years -- then suddenly, viola, you have a working unit. You know the stories about other inventors that have been suppressed, threatened, and even killed. Now you are a potential target. You go into paranoid mode. Who can you trust? Everything is viewed through different eyes. His eyes are taking time to adjust to this new reality. So yes, he overreacted. But give him a break. Being a hero is not easy work. It takes guts, and a thick skin to put up with the kind of belittling allegations that get thrown at him. Skeptics, tone down your rhetoric. It's okay to be skeptical, but don't make unfounded allegations about his motives. Your jumping to conclusions in that regard is sloppy social interaction, not based on fact. Play nice, or go to another sand box.
From: "skylinetomfox2118"
To: <HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: MYLOW's Mangetic Motor
mylows magnet motor is the real thing guys, if any mag motor is gonna work,
this will, i tryed it on a plastic disk with some bar magnets taped to it
and put a horse shoe magnet inside, it started rotating on its own magnetic
field. free energy is out there, we just have to harness it.
Thanks
MY REPLY:
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
To: "skylinetomfox2118"
Cc: "Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup" <mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: skylinetomfox's replication of MYLOW's Mangetic Motor
Congrats!
I've posted your comment over at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com (PESWiki), both
under "Replications" and on the Discussion page.
Thanks for this report. Could you please provide more info?
- did you get 360+ rotation?
- continuous?
- accelerating?
- photos?
- video?
- list of materials (specs, size, shape, source)
Sterling
Hey, if the mylow machine is legit, then I have a good idea why it's working. Some people may not like this idea, but it just came to me, and I wasn't even thinking about how it works. This is only an idea, but it makes perfect sense. Perhaps others have thought of this -->
A rotor PM (alnico) is attracted to the stator PM. As the rotor PM approaches the stator PM, it's *slowly* demagnetizing. More on this later in the post. By the time the rotor PM has past the stator PM, it's slightly weaker, and hence less pull.
In short, the average rotor PM field strength is X while approaching the stator PM, and is less than X while leaving the stator PM.
The reason why the alnico rotor PM's slowly degauss is obvious because alnico has extremely low coercivity. So any external appreciable magnetic fields acting on the alnico bend, modify, and slowly dampen out it's internal magnetic structure, resulting in a weaker alnico PM during each pass.
I'm *not* suggesting to not replicate the mylow machine. It could be worth it, but in this case, I think the energy is coming from the slow process of degaussing the PM's. Please test for this.
PL
BTW, it does not matter if the slow degaussing effect is on the stator and/or rotor PM's-- same results.
PL
The steorn aproch ehh?
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 21, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
Hey, if the mylow machine is legit, then I have a good idea why it's working. Some people may not like this idea, but it just came to me, and I wasn't even thinking about how it works. This is only an idea, but it makes perfect sense. Perhaps others have thought of this -->
A rotor PM (alnico) is attracted to the stator PM. As the rotor PM approaches the stator PM, it's *slowly* demagnetizing. More on this later in the post. By the time the rotor PM has past the stator PM, it's slightly weaker, and hence less pull.
In short, the average rotor PM field strength is X while approaching the stator PM, and is less than X while leaving the stator PM.
The reason why the alnico rotor PM's slowly degauss is obvious because alnico has extremely low coercivity. So any external appreciable magnetic fields acting on the alnico bend, modify, and slowly dampen out it's internal magnetic structure, resulting in a weaker alnico PM during each pass.
I'm *not* suggesting to not replicate the mylow machine. It could be worth it, but in this case, I think the energy is coming from the slow process of degaussing the PM's. Please test for this.
PL
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 21, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
G'day all,
I think we all agree that there has been no threat against Mylow or his family in this thread.
As to E-mail and PM I ask how that could be possible. I have checked this thread again and I cannot find a post originated by Mylow, nor do I see an E-mail address for him.
So how could anyone here have contacted him apart from the people who speak for him here and are evidently in contact with him.
It pisses me off when these unfounded wild allegations are being made without evidence. If true, it would have been a simple matter to quote the offending post.
Which begs the question: What is really going on here?
Just something to think about
Hans von Lieven
Hans,
You may be correct that 'mylow' has never posted or left an e-mail address to back track him on this forum. But there definitely is one on his "Youtube" account!
Also may I add that the sound of a motor has been mentioned being heard as he starts the rotor. One member here believes it to be a powered wheel hidden behind a wall. If I were to believe in this theory I like Eric's version at minato wheel better, he believes its possibly a fan sitting just out of camera range blowing air across the rotor magnets.
Ralph Lortie
Ralph
Has mylow ever placed two of the rotor PM's face to face to help show their field orientation?
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 10:21:41 PM
From: "skylinetomfox2118"
To: <HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: MYLOW's Mangetic Motor
mylows magnet motor is the real thing guys, if any mag motor is gonna work,
this will, i tryed it on a plastic disk with some bar magnets taped to it
and put a horse shoe magnet inside, it started rotating on its own magnetic
field. free energy is out there, we just have to harness it.
Thanks
It is quite well known that you can get Howard Johnson's "Stonehenge Motor" to rotate with a handheld magnet, similar to a Hamel spinner. This experiment was in the 1980's performed by Johnson in front of USPTO assessors and was instrumental in him obtaining his patents.
I remember reading about it at the time.
What Howard never managed though, in spite of over 20 years of well funded experimentation, was to build a proper motor that ran unaided by the vibrations of the human hand.
If Mylow has managed to crack this he is to be congratulated, but please don't blame us for a degree of skepticism in regards to that device.
I wish him luck, but frankly I need a little bit more convincing than a video on You-tube.
Hans von Lieven
Added to http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Interview
On March 23, 2009, from 9:00 - 10:00 pm Pacific, Sterling D. Allan will be conducting a live 1-hour interview with Mylow as part of the Free Energy Now radio series.
See http://FreeEnergyNow.net
Here's a relevant email I just sent to someone -->
+++++++++++
I have no idea if mylow machine is legit or fake, but my description will actually work. Now doing it is another task because the friction in ball bearings needs to be low and the degaussing effect needs to be sufficient.
I could see this working with a cheap ceramic PM and cheap hard steel.
PL
+++++++++++
If it's what mylow is seeing, who knows, maybe, maybe not, but if it works it's an interesting effect. Not sure, but if you get bearings with low enough friction then you can achieve mylow's machine with just cheap ceramic/ferrite and hard steel.
PL
OK,
I managed to find the original 1980 magazine article on the net. The reporter could make the stonehenge 40 pound magnet assembly spin with an 8oz magnet.
Lets re-read the article and take a good look at the pictures to see if there are any more valuable clues to this...'cuz we ain't getting any younger! ;D
and the last 4
Good boy Yaz,
This is the exact article I was referring to. Funny how little happened with it for nearly 30 years.
Hans von Lieven
I just ran my concept in FEMM and although I did not perform a detailed step movement using Lua, it did come back positive that the effect will work. There is a net force. Here are the numbers -->
The effect ran in FEMM:
Inftro:
The Alnico PM starts at the left side and approaches the NdFeB.
Positive X-force is toward the right.
N is Newton, a force.
Alnico - full strength - before passing NdFeB:
x-component: 6430.14 N
Alnico - deadened - after passing NdFeB:
X: -562.502 N
This is an exaggerated test since the Alnico is not going to dead after passing the NdFeB, but it will be slightly less magnetized after passing by.
By all means, replicate the mylow machine because I think it will work, but according to FEMM, it's not a "free energy" machine. :(
Sterling, please be responsible and not state on the air that mylow is a confirmed legit free energy machine.
BTW, it does not matter which PM slowly degausses, the stator or rotor PM. Same results-- conversion of magnetized PM as it slowly degausses.
PL
G"day Paul,
Consider the following scenario. All rotor magnets are ceramic or neo's, the stator magnets are Alnico. Would the device still work then, considering that the stator PM would deplete?
Assuming that it does, would the energy in the rotating disk be enough to re-magnetise the stator when it becomes necessary?
Interesting questions.
Incidentally, congratulations on a very good analysis.
Hans von Lieven
@Mylow, I made the comment " I know where you live, just kidding" in one of my posts. I was refering to your location in Chicago, if you took this as a threat to you and your family, I apologize as a husband and father.
Hello Hans,
Good question. I don't really know for certain because as far as I'm aware this is an unknown effect (converting magnetized PM energy to mechanical). Mylow has confirmed that it works if the stator is hard steel and rotors are alnico. Alnico could outlast hard steel, but it depends on the type of hard steel since they greatly vary with material.
My best guess is that it could work if rotor PM's are ceramic and stator is hard steel.
FEMM is a 2D program, and cannot correctly simulate mylows exact design. All I did was to appreciably confirm the *fundamental* effect in FEMM. Mylow shows the hard steel stator slowly degausses, so I based such confirmation on that assumption.
IMO this effect could be difficult to get the two PM's oriented and separated just correct. If the PM's are two close, then it's possible the strong PM will only change the orientation of the hard steel, not degauss it. If it's too far away, then the effect may be too weak to overcome the bearing friction.
If mylow's machine is legit, then my congrats to him regardless because I've never heard of this effect before, but in theory it does appear to work.
PL
Here's a snapshot of a possible cheap alternative to use square ceramic PM's instead of horseshoe PM's. It's a sideshot. The hard steel in the snapshot would be the same horseshoe as in mylow's device. I'm wondering if this effect works best if the hardened steel is grain oriented longitudinally annealed.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 22, 2009, 12:52:04 AM
Hello Hans,
Good question. I don't really know for certain because as far as I'm aware this is an unknown effect (converting magnetized PM energy to mechanical). Mylow has confirmed that it works if the stator is hard steel and rotors are alnico. Alnico could outlast hard steel, but it depends on the type of hard steel since they greatly vary with material.
My best guess is that it could work if rotor PM's are ceramic and stator is hard steel.
FEMM is a 2D program, and cannot correctly simulate mylows exact design. All I did was to appreciably confirm the *fundamental* effect in FEMM. Mylow shows the hard steel stator slowly degausses, so I based such confirmation on that assumption.
IMO this effect could be difficult to get the two PM's oriented and separated just correct. If the PM's are two close, then it's possible the strong PM will only change the orientation of the hard steel, not degauss it. If it's too far away, then the effect may be too weak to overcome the bearing friction.
If mylow's machine is legit, then my congrats to him regardless because I've never heard of this effect before, but in theory it does appear to work.
PL
I agree, Hence the need to observe the device and take samples from the stator to have the metal content analyzed. Not only just that, but everything!, I want to dup this, but I dont even know what grade Aluminum he used, 6061, 7075, etc, etc, Rotor mags? made China, US? Whats the compound? Gauss?, it's like WTF, without a visit, it cant be cloned. I'll try anyhow.
From page 19 of The Secret World of Magnets by Howard Johnson
(partially paraphrased)
Taking a "ceramic magnet" magnetized through the thickness we mount a "curved metallic magnetic" over it and monitor the reacting fields in a one-half inch air gap. Regarding the pull of one magnet toward another, our mapping operation shows these particles pairing off as the unlike fields merge. Our topographical program shows that the gauss count (the strength of the lines of force) at the attracting end has been reduced, because the paring of the large part of the particle populations.
The repulsion of likes poles represents particle activity forming two vortices that spin in the same direction. There is no reduction in the gauss count, which registers about three times as high as it does at the attracting end.
This seems to explain what is happening with Mylow's setup
-Duff
Consider the implications Paul,
If what you are saying is right then there are some materials (Alnico or hard steel in this case) that can store magnetism and dribble it out under certain circumstances to do work, much like a reservoir of water with a hole in it that drips water onto a waterwheel. (One wonders what other materials there might be where the effect is more pronounced.)
If that turns out to be correct you have made a truly monumental discovery, overunity or not !
Certainly well worth having a look at. Good luck.
Hans von Lieven
yaz -
Much thanks for posting the Science & Mechanics article from 1980. It is great to read.
Hope you don't mind - I converted it to a .pdf for easy viewing/zooming and easy reading in 1 document.
Posting in the downloads section as it is 900k
Thanks again!
New file download posted:
Howard Johnson 1980 Science & Mechanics article pics posted by yaz and converted to .pdf (970k)
Thanks yaz!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item252
A few comments on the Science & Mechanics article:
3 designs/devices are shown/discussed.
Basically design 1 & 3 are really just smots. They travel in one direction (or the other) down a straight track and then exit. The ability for them to be converted into continuous rotary motion is not an easy, or even possible, task. (as seen countless times with other designs/smots etc.)
Design 2 is basically the model for the Mylow build. As has been alluded to by Hans and a couple others, the device is shown to operate by a hand-held stator.
Slight movements/pulsing of the hand/stator would seem to be the obvious input required to achieve/maintain rotation.
The fact that this design has not resulted in an actual working protype/model or commercial unit would indicate that the means for true self-running was never achieved by Howard Johnson, even though the article of 1980 mentions licensing agreements etc. for future products.
And has been mentioned, the Mylow build may function only as a result of the degaussing of the stator magnet. (in place of the hand movements of the stator)
Replacing the stator magnet with a rare-earth magnet that doesn't degauss may eliminate the possibility of success. And the weak magnets may be required as well as the flux/field lines of stronger magnets may result in an entry/exit gate that is impossible to overcome for full rotation, or maybe a heavier rotor for increased flywheel effect.
Then again - it may just be the relative strength of the magnets, and should stronger rare-earth magnets be used, the same relative strength of rotor/stator with the new magnets compared to the old may be all that is required.
(edit: on 2nd thought - Mylow reports different strength stator magnets resulted in increase/decrease in RPMs. In any event, I reiterate the thought that the spacing between the N/S faces of the stator magnet relative to the spacing of the rotor magnets is critical... or is that obvious? :) )
Just some thoughts after my 1st read.......
@capthook, you say:
QuoteAnd has been mentioned, the Mylow build may function only as a result of the degaussing of the stator magnet. (in place of the hand movements of the stator)
I really want to see first hand that degaussing of the magnet in place of the hand movements of the stator keeps the motor going for the 11 hours Mylow mentions in one of his videos (I’m not even asking for the 27 hours he also mentions somewhere there). We’ll talk then how insignificant that fact is.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 22, 2009, 04:01:57 AM
I really want to see first hand that degaussing of the magnet in place of the hand movements of the stator keeps the motor going for the 11 hours Mylow mentions in one of his videos (I’m not even asking for the 27 hours he also mentions somewhere there). We’ll talk then how insignificant that fact is.
So would I Omnibus. I find it difficult to believe that one can store magnetism and dispense it in small portions like ice cream. It would be stupendous if this were the case.
Hans von Lieven
That single stator PM may not have enough energy to keep his machine spinning for one day. I'm thinking his hard steel stator may have just a few joules of energy. Maybe all of the alnico PM's also drain by a smaller %. Any ideas how much power is required to keep that machine spinning? It's possible the PM drainage is only a small part of the effect.
PL
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 22, 2009, 04:10:25 AM
So would I Omnibus. I find it difficult to believe that one can store magnetism and dispense it in small portions like ice cream. It would be stupendous if this were the case.
Hans von Lieven
Same here. I would like to see this determined because 'draining a magnet' is so often used as a reason of operation on PM motors. This would lean toward the lines of a 'magnetic battery'. Will we then start calculating the amount of energy needed to magnetize and then determine the efficiency of the process?
@BEP,
Is it not possible to re magnetize the week iron magnet with a powerful neodymium magnet?
And, will not the neodymium magnet last for approx. 1000 years?
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop on March 22, 2009, 08:04:44 AM
@BEP,
Is it not possible to re magnetize the week iron magnet with a powerful neodymium magnet?
And, will not the neodymium magnet last for approx. 1000 years?
Groundloop.
Excellent point. Include a recharging cycle every so often to fill up the "petrol" tank and the Mylow will run till the bearings fail. Bit like one's car, really. ;D
Let's hope Paul is right in his analysis.
Hi All,
I have been watching this from the start. What a wake up call! It would be such a great help to get the motor in a lab where you could map the fields, the INTENSITY of the fields with a accurate and calibrated gauss meter, measure the torque generated, it just goes on and on. Due to the material makeup of the stator, it would be so easy to wind a coil around the center of it and literally add to or subtract from the total field and see what was the optimum field output of the device at a given distance from the rotor. All that would take is a 100 turn coil on the stator, and a variable power supply. That would answer a lot of questions.
First really, there is a need to find and verify a usable source of the "Bracket" magnets and the "U" magnet THAT WILL WORK IN A REPLICATION. There is so much interaction and variables going on here, that it is going to drive us up the wall to replicate this with any hope of success.
Based on what I see, it gives me several ideas or variations on what he has done that might have merit. I'm sure other creative folk on this list has also had their creative juices "tweaked" by these developments.
I certainly hope that "M", who appeared totally flustered by the results of the compass which destroyed his basic theory as to how it worked over the years did not cause him to fall into despondency and that was why he pulled the videos. It appears that it works, theory as to why? Who knows. Once you have a working model, you can figure out why!!!!! My hat is off to him for his persistence and creativity over the years to not let his dream go away.
Thanks to the folk that put the videos back up on YouTube it keeps the flame alive.
Ben
@Grimer,
If you put two iron stator magnets onto a revolving disc and let one drive the motor
while the other is close to the neo magnet. Then after 12 hours or so, you just rotate
the disk so that a new fresh stator magnet drives the motor. A small stepper motor
comes to mind here for controlling the disc. There is many engineering ways to
solve that problem.
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop on March 22, 2009, 09:03:28 AM
@Grimer,
If you put two iron stator magnets onto a revolving disc and let one drive the motor
while the other is close to the neo magnet. Then after 12 hours or so, you just rotate
the disk so that a new fresh stator magnet drives the motor. A small stepper motor
comes to mind here for controlling the disc. There is many engineering ways to
solve that problem.
Groundloop.
Absolutely right.
I read the whole thread from the beginning and I seem to remember that Omnibus pointed out more than once that it didn't matter if the stator magnet decreased in strength, though he didn't say just why as you have so graphically done.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
Unfortunately, some of you guys can be extremely rude, and even crossing lines that I would not allow if I was moderating this site. You'd be out of there if I was in charge...
I agree.
If Stefan does not start to do some moderating, then he is going to wake up
one morning and find that the site is dead; everyone has migrated to a similar site
where abuse is not allowed. The amount of bandwidth used up by rubbish is
beyond belief. This board is becoming an incoherent rabble, and no basis for serious
research.
Paul
Does anyone have a working URL for the compass video ?
It seems he did not yet upload all videos again.
Also the one is missing, where he did show the pole
orientation of his magnets ?
So the runner magnets are out og AlNiCo,
but what is the material of the stator magnet ?
Just hard iron ? or is is a ferrite magnet ?
Will Mylow allow some independant people
visit him and verify the motor running with their video cameras ?
Would be nice, if he would invite a few people and show them the running motor
so they can verify it.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 10:44:25 AM
Will Mylow allow some independant people
visit him and verify the motor running with their video cameras ?
Also, would he be willing to provide accurate engineeering drawings to enable replications?
Paul.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 10:44:25 AM
Does anyone have a working URL for the compass video ?
It seems he did not yet upload all videos again.
He has reposted it now check again..
BTW it is the same compass video that he posted prior.
This video makes me think that he is real and that this is not a hoax.
Why ?
The video clearly contradicts the way he thought it was working .. more or less proving that he did not know how the poles of the channel magnets were setup. In a previous movie he shows how he thought the poles were aligned ..
So ask yourself .. having realized the discrepancy after making your compass movie and the fact that it clearly showed your error would you have released or remade it again - maybe trying to cover up your blunder ..
i actually had copy of the original compass movie but did not repost it public as i thought that maybe he removed it for that VERY reason ..
i am actually a bit surprised he released the same movie again .. as it clearly demonstrates he did not know how the mag poles were working.
To me this means the guy is honest and is not trying to fool us.
Nobody else released his compass movie after he removed it - two days now - and yet he still re-released the same movie.
my two cents anyway ..
Cheers
Queue
At the moment standing back on trying to replicate this one due to time :(
But thought I would have play with making up a Armature Magnet the same as HJ's using small Neo's
Find attached picture.
Gonna go pop it on a Linear track later with Stator N poles facing up and have a play.
on his rotor magnet orientation I found this from him in one of the comment sections
"top north and south glude to the disk"
If mylow's alnico PM's are not draining, and it's only the hard steel stator's that are draining, then it's difficult to see how the energy contained in the hard steel stator is enough to spin that machine for 27 hours, but you never know.
*If* there's "free energy" in his machine, then I have a good idea how it could occur. See the attached chart. This chart was not calculated, but only serves as an exaggerated illustration. The vertical parameter is the magnetic field, and horizontal is time. This is the field strength of the stator PM. You'll see 7 dips per cycle. Each dip is when an alnico rotor PM passes by the stator PM. With each pass, the stator PM weakens. After the 7th PM, there's a period where the stator PM can rest. During this rest period, the stator PM would slightly recover-- a form of magnetic viscosity.
I've seen this long term magnetic viscosity in soft ferrite, and even more so in powdered iron. I'd imagine it's even more pronounced in some PM's.
My suggestion for mylow is to place further spacing between each rotor PM. Also, he might try to move the stator PM farther away from the rotor PM's. All of this would of course result in less power, so the machine would spin slower, but it could give the PM's more time to recover-- more free energy. If given enough time, then perhaps the PM's would last almost forever. I have an idea how to perhaps significantly increase the power and extend the lifespan of the PM's to almost indefinitely.
PL
PESWIKI VIDEO OF HOJO MAGMO (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design)
Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
If anyone succeeds in replicating mylow's machine, then you may want to consider the following possible improvement by inserting a stator NdFeB PM in the stator hard steel PM. See attached images.
The goal is to keep the stator NdFeB appreciably away from the effect that occurs between hard steel and rotor PM's, but to give the stator NdFeB time to maintain the hard steels remanence. I would replace the alnico's with either ceramic, or better yet ***bonded*** NdFeB PM's. It's difficult to give any further details, but as far as the NdFeB that's between the hard steel, it would probably have to be very thin.
This would probably be somewhat difficult to get just right. If the stator NdFeB PM is too think, then it could cause the hard steel to recover too fast, and thus eliminate most of the long/slow term viscosity effect. If it's too thin, then it's not going to recover the hard steel fast enough.
Only thoughts. These ideas have not been verified in FEMM or experiments.
PL
For those who've seen the mylow new video of the stator field using a compass, here's a comparison of the one I did in FEMM. Maybe I have the FEMM fields oriented wrong. It seems to be in agreement. See attached images. This FEMM file was created yesterday before I saw mylow's video, and there was no tweaking to get it to look like mylow's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE
In the attached image showing the *diagram* (not the field image), you can see the field orientation on the ends of the PM is directly down, but if you understand how the fields sum from all the ferromagnetic moments, then you'll know the net field will bend *outward at an angle* as shown in mylow's video, and also seen in the attached image of the stator field. The image of the stator magnetic field, you can see the edges of the PM do indeed bend outward at an angle as seen in mylow's video. I'm certain there will be subtle differences between the FEMM & mylow's stator PM since who knows exactly how it was magnetized and the type of alnico mylow has.
PL
I spoke with Mylow this morning.
He is pleased to see so many people trying to replicate this. However, he wishes to point out that they are not following close enough.
Some of the important aspects to include, as he sees it, are:
- the gaps between each magnet and the gaps between sets of magnets (fairly large [nearly 1/2 of the distance covered by the magnet sets])
- one non-uniform magnet set (e.g. all are 3&3, with just one that is 3&4)
- aluminum wheel
- polarity orientation of magnets
As he sees it, there are a couple of differences between his motor and the photo he saw of Johnson's Stonehenge motor are:
- his magnets are very weak
- his stator magnet doesn't physically come to a point (but the compass shows that the magnetic field is focused at the outside corners, in keeping with Johnson's principle).
I would add that the one imbalanced 3&4 magnet set, versus the remainder being 3&3 is probably another difference. I've not seen the Stonehenge photo of which he talks. He said he would try and send that. He said: "All I did is look at the photograph and Bingo." He saw the same thing in Howard Johnson's motor: sets of 3 or four magnets, then a gap.
The diagram he posted the other day turns out to be incorrect when it comes to the channel alnico magnets. The compass video he just uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE shows that they are similar to the stator crescent magnets. He said the orientation of the rotor magnets around the perimeter of the rotor wheel is "North up". Before he realized the true polarity via the compass, he used a bar magnet to make sure all the magnets were of the same polarity when he installed them. After he had them on, he went around the wheel with the bar magnet in repulse mode to double check that they were all on in the same polarity.
He said that when he places the compass inside the rotor while the motor is spinning, it goes crazy, jumping (turning) all over the place.
He said that when he only had part of the magnet sets installed, he saw the same thing as is shown in one of the replications videos: the rotor would spin along the magnets until it came to the end of them, at which point it would bounce back.
Mylow thinks that the eddy currents being generated in the aluminum by the magnets passing by it could be an important component of why this works. He said the all-aluminum (including the screws) stator holder that he made works better than the previous one that had wooden support legs. He also thinks the concentration of the magnetic field in his stator magnet near the two outside tips (90-degree ends of the crescent) are an important factor for the function of this motor, in keeping with Johnson's design.
He things that these eddy currents may be contributing to the rapid demagnetization of his iron magnets, which I would agree is likely. He also thinks that the demagnetization may be where the energy is coming from to produce motion. I don't think so. Based on other things I've seen, I would predict that a permanent magnet would not diminish but would work continuously (with a 100-year half-life?). From what I hear, iron magnets are easily demagnetized, and the eddy current would probably accelerate that.
One little thing he added to his story of when he first saw rotation. He said he scrapped the magnets off and reinstalled them three times to make sure he could replicate the effect.
Sterling
[p.s. I've updated the http://MylowMagnetMotor.com site with this info]
I think maybe my FEMM stator PM is not the same orientation as mylow's. Note, this has nothing to do with the noted affect. At 2:05 in the video it's clearly aligned as if the entire field is parallel with both poles. At 2:35 mylow has an issue with measurement the field. I think it's only because the compass is not level (heightwise) with the PM because you can see the compass needle is trying to point in an vertical (upward/downward) angle.
PL
My recommendations to MYLOW and other replicators are to:
A) Replace the rotor magnets with standard neodymium magnets purchased from
a reputable source to allow repeatability.
B) Use a “U†or “V†shaped electromagnet as the drive magnet simulating
a permanent magnet.
The reasons are: Neodymium magnets have a high self energy and therefore can not
be degaussed (erased) easily. Their operation is biased more towards how magnetic
fields work in theory and do not have behavior biased toward material theory. I'd
rather not have neo's interact with other neo's however.
The electromagnet cannot be erased at all but is adjustable in field strength with
a rheostat, and adjustable to various field strength levels, so that it can be optimized. This
magnet takes a lot of magnetic “hits†as the rotor rotates and current from a regulated DC
power supply will increase or decrease as needed as the electromagnet does mechanical
work but it will always return to the same level determined by the current flowing through it.
Quit frankly, if you don't do it this way it won't be reputable because of the erasure
or degaussing of magnetic fields allowed by Alnico or Iron magnets is allowing energy
into the motor to cause its rotation.
In a Degaussing Tool the overriding energy used to degauss a magnet comes from
utility power lines. In this motor this energy to degauss the magnet has to go somewhere
and is currently being used to cause rotor rotation.
So “Yes†this existing experiment is demonstrating how to replace a battery with an iron
magnet to retrieve stored energy. But changing either batteries or magnets can be a pain,
especially if you have to supply every watt into the device that you get out. So I recommend
you do this a correctly as possible and make real history IF this motor still works. It's
not that much harder to do it correctly, and it may even be somewhat easier.
I am glad to see that user OMNIBUS seems to be coming around to this point of view,
because destroying a magnet on the Macroscopic level is different from destroying
it on the Atomic level because on the atomic level we need to be concerned about
conservation of energy. In the motor, destroyed magnet's energy has to go somewhere.
:S:MarkSCoffman
"He said the all-aluminum (including the screws) stator holder that he made works better than the previous one that had wooden support legs"
Well this removes the possibility of a coil and battery in the wood. Yet it could cause problems.
I'm beginning to think mylow's stator PM's are magnetized the same way as his rotor PM's, which appears to be on the other axis, which you see in his video at 5:18 -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE
PL
Here are some photos Mylow sent of his new set-up.
Note that the stator holder is a little high, so he'll need to put some kind of spacer under neath the rotor so that the stator magnet aligns with the rotor magnets.
Mylow sent me these photos of Howard Johnson. These are the photos he refers to as having been what spurred him to this present model.
Hopefully mylow's going to video his latest machine on a glass table. Also, could he please tell how long his machine spins *without* the stator. Just curious how much friction there is.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 22, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
I spoke with Mylow this morning.
...
One little thing he added to his story of when he first saw rotation. He said he scraped the magnets off and reinstalled them three times to make sure he could replicate the effect.
Sterling
[p.s. I've updated the http://MylowMagnetMotor.com site with this info]
That was brave of him. I don't think I'd have dared. :o
mylow's compass video is way too limiting because it doesn't show the field in 3D. Rather, mylow should just get a plastic bag, place a PM inside the bag, dig up some common dirt, and move the bag/PM through the dirt to pick up magnetite. He can then use the magnetite to show a better representation of the field.
PL
From a structural engineering viewpoint that aluminium portal frame doesn't look very rigid.
Maybe I'm being too fussy. Occupational hazard. :(
If it starts vibrating or moving he'll soon notice and stiffen it up.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 22, 2009, 02:27:42 PM
Mylow sent me these photos of Howard Johnson. These are the photos he refers to as having been what spurred him to this present model.
Sterling many thanks for the updates.
Appreciatted this end and they are being posted to other areas on the internet where people are interested.
Cheers
Sean.
A suggested quick test replication would be to place magnets on a disk with the same pole facing up,
instead of the usual, facing towards the stationary magnet.
The stationary magnet has it's poles facing in the direction of rotation instead of towards the moving magnets.
This whole setup is totally different from all the setups I have seen so far.
So this is the secret to getting a self runner.
The horseshoe shape used here may not even be needed, just the right orientation of the magnets.
The video with the compass is priceless.
Quote from: Grimer on March 22, 2009, 02:49:35 PM
If it starts vibrating or moving he'll soon notice and stiffen it up.
Or patent the first FE Vibrator :)
Quote from: AbbaRue on March 22, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
The stationary magnet has it's poles facing in the direction of rotation instead of towards the moving magnets.
This whole setup is totally different from all the setups I have seen so far.
Yep thought this myself, out of all the replications I have tried I have never put the Stator on the inside of the Rotor.
Is there difference is the field, difference in the Torque produced?
Makes ya wonder ::)
I took a standard u-shaped horseshoe magnet and went around it with a compass and got the same type of results that Mylow got. I do not think the field is coming from the corners. It seems that the south end of the compass magnet is attracted to the north pole of the u-shaped magnet and is also simultaneously repelled by the south pole of the u-shaped magnet. The result is that the complass seems to be pointing to the corner. This applies to both the rotor magnets and the large stator magnet.
I think that he has standard horseshoe magnets with poles most likely oriented as in the following drawing.
For mylow's new design,
Instead of lowering his stator magnet with spacers or something, why not raise the base of wheel (rotor) by placing a block of wood or something under it.
Bill
According to my theory as analyzed so far, in order for the effect to work, the main rotor field must be on an entirely different plane than the stator main field, which appears to be how mylow has it setup. Otherwise, all you get are losses that heat up the cores along with the weak core slowly degaussing.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 22, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
According to my theory as analyzed so far, in order for the effect to work, the main rotor field must be on an entirely different plane than the stator main field, which appears to be how mylow has it setup. Otherwise, all you get are losses that heat up the cores along with the weak core slowly degaussing.
PL
That would seem to be a nice bit of theoretical confirmation that Mylow and his experiment are genuine -
Cos sure as God made little green apples there is no way Mylow would have carried out such an analysis.
QuoteCos sure as God made little green apples there is no way Mylow would have carried out such an analysis.
True, as he's a great follower of the late Howard Johnson, who appears to have been more technical than mylow. :)
Anyhow, by no means am I saying with nearly 100% certainty it's legit or not until mylow can video his machine on a glass table for at least a few minutes uncut and let a notable scientist analyze his machine. The effect I've outlined is also by no means substantially validated. I only did a quick & dirty FEMM sim without spending enough time to debug it.
PL
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 22, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
At the moment standing back on trying to replicate this one due to time :(
But thought I would have play with making up a Armature Magnet the same as HJ's using small Neo's
Find attached picture.
Gonna go pop it on a Linear track later with Stator N poles facing up and have a play.
Clanzer,
Wow! good job on your crescent shaped magnet holder. What is the tip to tip measurement on your magnet holder there? It seems this distance and the spacing between the rotor magnets is critical in getting it to work.
Justalabrat
Quote from: Justalabrat on March 22, 2009, 03:47:52 PM
Wow! good job on your crescent shaped magnet holder. What is the tip to tip measurement on your magnet holder there? It seems this distance and the spacing between the rotor magnets is critical in getting it to work.
The Original Patent had the armature length at 3.125" which and mine is 75mm so pretty close.
Here are a few more shots
I also think, the orientation that user Xee2 has posted is right.
To me it looks like from the compass video that all the magnets have the same orientation:
One leg of the horseshoe magnet is south and the other leg is north.
Also same applies to the runner magnets.
Also any other way makes no sense, as these are commercial bought magnets and are not grinded by Mylow.
The commercial magnets are just polarized this way as Xee2 has shown.
Sterling, maybe you can forward this to Mylow.
He should buy a gaussmeter or use some iron filings to really see his fields.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. User Bessler007 was set on read-only as he violated several times the TOS and privacy policies.
His S.E.X related signature was deleted.
The compass clearly shows that the magnets on the disk are just block magnets with the poles facing up and down.
And a notch cut into the side of them. These are not horseshoe magnets.
A standard horseshoe magnet would have a north and south pole in the centre between the 2 legs.
He clearly shows in the video that this is not the case.
Take another look at the video at 5:22 if this was a horseshoe magnet the pointer wouldn't
point directly at the centre of that edge like it does.
Xee2's diagram is the obvious horseshoe orientation, and is how I first drew it until I saw mylow's video. Xee2's diagram would not match mylow's video. See from 2:00 to 2:10 in the video -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE
See what I mean? Horseshoe PM's don't have the field coming straight out the back middle. Even mylow's alnico PM's are magnetized in a crazy manner. It's possible this crazy orientation is caused from running his Johnson machine for a long time.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 22, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
Xee2's diagram is the obvious horseshoe orientation, and is how I first drew it until I saw mylow's video. Xee2's diagram would not match mylow's video. See from 2:00 to 2:10 in the video -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE
See what I mean? Horseshoe PM's don't have the field coming straight out the back middle. Even mylow's alnico PM's are magnetized in a crazy manner. It's possible this crazy orientation is caused from running his Johnson machine for a long time.
PL
Hi Paul,
I think this is just a stray effect.
You can clearly see, that the compass needle did swing
much back and forh at this point.
With a real pole it would have stayed still will more attraction.
Paul, Your diagramm with the FEMM field lines is wrong, I guess.
Didn´t he say in one video he bought the Alnico magnets in a store somewhere and
he´s got only this many and that they were out now ?
If these are commercial magnets, then they are probably magnetized like
horseshoe magnets as Xee2 has drawn it up.
Well what are these Alnico magnets nornally used for ?
Speakers or microphones or Relays ?
Did Mylow say anywhere what material his stator magnet was from ?
Here's the images that I first upload here. It's the way the field is for a normal horseshoe PM. As you can see, it does not match mylow's. See how the field is ***parallel*** to the back of the PM. In mylow's video the field is perpendicular. Take careful note in replicating this.
PL
Hmm.
I guess I found the type of magnet Mylow uses for his runner magnets.
Have a look at the upper left one.
It even has the same fixing hole:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/204883190/U_shape_alnico_magnet.html
The question still is, how these magnets are polarised and what they normally are used for.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 05:05:52 PMhttp://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/204883190/U_shape_alnico_magnet.html
Those are normal horseshoe. If you remove the iron steel plate and place a compass behind it then it should show the field *parallel* to the PM, not perpendicular as shown in his video. I'm only trying to map the PM that mylow shows in his video. Like I said, his PM has probably been warped from long term usage of his johnson machine.
PL
The main thing now is first verification and then for Mylow to make another one that works
without breaking the first one then
compare the differences and then replication by others....
This is very exciting. Finsrud is great but this is way ahead of that and also
validates Howard Johnson...
Its my thinking that the truth can no longer be hidden as with the Soviet Union and the
Berlin wall and also with the lies in Washington - mostly because of the technology
ie voice recordings and now the internet information dispersion.
Norman
I do not see any holes in them.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
Hmm.
I guess I found the type of magnet Mylow uses for his runner magnets.
Have a look at the upper left one.
It even has the same fixing hole:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/204883190/U_shape_alnico_magnet.html
The question still is, how these magnets are polarised and what they normally are used for.
Regards, Stefan.
Hmm,
maybe you are right Paul,
it really needs a better verification of the polarity of the Mylow magnets.
I still found another magnets, that looks simular to his
stator magnet:
http://www.buntingmagnetics.com/alnico-u-shaped-magnets/
And it says that it is magnetised as a horshoe magnet.
I just did another long term magnetic viscosity test -->
1. I took a dead horseshoe PM (either alnico or hard steel) that had hardly no strength.
2. Placed two ferrite PM's on each end of the horseshoe PM.
3. Remove ferrite PM's in ~ 30 seconds.
4. Measured horseshoe PM. No measurable difference.
5. Placed two ferrite PM's on each end of the horseshoe PM.
6. Remove ferrite PM's in a few minutes.
7. Measured horseshoe PM. Slight stronger.
8. Placed two ferrite PM's on each end of the horseshoe PM.
9. Remove ferrite PM's in ~ one half an hour.
10. Measured horseshoe PM. Significantly stronger.
This shows a long term magnetic viscosity.
PL
In the end maybe we're both correct, Stefan. It's possible mylow's PM just after being remagnetized was the typical horseshoe orinetation, but maybe his machine slowly modifies it. After all, we're talking about extremely weak PM's-- hard iron and alnico. So it doesn't take much to mess them up. Take a look at mylow's field mapping of the alnico C cores. They're so lopsided it's not even funny. :)
PL
Quote from: lostcauses10x on March 22, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
I do not see any holes in them.
Sorry, yes, you are right, I mixed this up as the Mylow magnets had some yellow
color points in them making them look as holes in a quick low quality preview.
Now I see in his video watched in high quality that these are just colorized dots
printed on there...
http://magnets-alnico.com/channelhorse.htm
Try this page.
I'm gonna blab for a second, Ok, so I'm back from work and check on progress, so I watch this MYLOW video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE&feature=channel_page
and I see the Tube User named whgage calls him an idiot, so I click on whgages' profile page ( http://www.youtube.com/user/whgage ) , and I see MYLOW has found time to post a comment, "if you dont mind please dont call me an idoit i prefer more like a lire ok" . So I ask this, Why refer to yourself as a liar? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I still dont know what grade aluminum. The stator is not stainless steel, it has a coating on it seen in the pics. Neos have every chance of failing unless they are naked ( no Steel Coating, special order only), That's it for now, I'm still on the fence after the self referenced Liar comment.
Stator magnet from 'heel' view (as in horseshoe)
NNNN SSSS
SSSS NNNN
Stator magnet from 'toe view'
NNNNNNSSSSSS
SSSSSSNNNNNN
The molded grove is usually an indication of reversal.
Anyone recognize this configuration? It appears the same as a hard drive magnet.
I've never seen one like Mylow's but a compass acts the same way to a hard disk magnet removed from the keeper.
Cheers,
BEP
Quote from: X00013 on March 22, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
I'm gonna blab for a second, Ok, so I'm back from work and check on progress, so I watch this MYLOW video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE&feature=channel_page
and I see the Tube User named whgage calls him an idiot, so I click on whgages' profile page ( http://www.youtube.com/user/whgage ) , and I see MYLOW has found time to post a comment, "if you dont mind please dont call me an idoit i prefer more like a lire ok" . So I ask this, Why refer to yourself as a liar? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I still dont know what grade aluminum. The stator is not stainless steel, it has a coating on it seen in the pics. Neos have every chance of failing unless they are naked ( no Steel Coating, special order only), That's it for now, I'm still on the fence after the self referenced Liar comment.
Folks have called him that from day one of his running device. Don't make more out of it than it is.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Sorry, yes, you are right, I mixed this up as the Mylow magnets had some yellow
color points in them making them look as holes in a quick low quality preview.
Now I see in his video watched in high quality that these are just colorized dots
printed on there...
They appear yellow green and red dots. Looks like the an in house marking Not sure if they are a pole set up, or a pass fail set up.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2009, 05:17:07 PM
Hmm,
maybe you are right Paul,
it really needs a better verification of the polarity of the Mylow magnets.
I still found another magnets, that looks simular to his
stator magnet:
http://www.buntingmagnetics.com/alnico-u-shaped-magnets/
And it says that it is magnetised as a horshoe magnet.
Good find. CU606 looks the spitting image of his stator.In particular the D/E ratio of one and a half.
Quote from: X00013 on March 22, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
I'm gonna blab for a second, Ok, so I'm back from work and check on progress, so I watch this MYLOW video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE&feature=channel_page
and I see the Tube User named whgage calls him an idiot, so I click on whgages' profile page ( http://www.youtube.com/user/whgage ) , and I see MYLOW has found time to post a comment, "if you dont mind please dont call me an idoit i prefer more like a lire ok" . So I ask this, Why refer to yourself as a liar?
No doubt he knows he can easily prove he's not a liar.
Quote from: Grimer on March 22, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
No doubt he knows he can easily prove he's not a liar.
You see , that's a problem, A guy calls me an idiot, and my comeback is, "no, I'm not an idiot, I'm a liar", WTF?
@sterlinga
Since Mylow put back the videos, this bodes very well for both his character and his intentions. One would presume that if this was a hoax, the hoaxer would have felt the heat and not put back the videos and stuck to his MIB story. So good.
But this still leaves a wizzing sound that coincides at two wheel start-ups in a way that you could not say that an outside vehicle would cause such a sound twice. So I got to thinking about this and would ask that next time you speak to Mylow could you please ask him to do a quick test.
1) Just use his video to record whatever and bring a magnet near the camcorder and see what happens. It may be that while he was making the video, he was very close to the magnets at start-up trying to show the stator/rotor magnets close enough for all to see and maybe this caused the video microphone to record the camcorders internal motor. Hope I got this across well enough but it has bugged me since.
2) As for a replication without those original magnets, for both the stator and rotor, placing simple neos on a thick iron backing will probably do the same thing since the sides sticking to the iron will be lost in the structure leaving only the protruding ends. If using neos, I would guess the distance between the rotor and stator will have to be wider in order to still maintain a weak attracting and repelling effect.
3) Regarding the four in a row rotor magnets, I think this was done this way simply because the diameter of the wheel versus the spacing between each six sets was not really pre-calculated to fit perfectly and that fourth magnet was used to occupying the obvious over spacing. This tells me the actual build is not that critical and the the real effect can be accomplished in many ways.
So I guess this only means one thing.
MORE FUN FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: X00013 on March 22, 2009, 06:05:54 PM
You see , that's a problem, A guy calls me an idiot, and my comeback is, "no, I'm not an idiot, I'm a liar", WTF?
He didn't say he was a liar. He said he'd rather be called a liar than an idiot. Wouldn't you if you knew you could prove what you claimed?
Quote from: X00013 on March 22, 2009, 06:05:54 PM
You see , that's a problem, A guy calls me an idiot, and my comeback is, "no, I'm not an idiot, I'm a liar", WTF?
No, too him being called an idiot is worse than calling him a liar, so if you are going to call him anything, call him a liar. That is all he is saying.
Mylow has been bombarded with YouTube emails and comments, he is trying to reply to them all as fast as he can and has probably now given up with the idiots and answering fast where he can.
The guy is still human after all. Think about it, you get one post here and there that may hurt you, we all get hurt easly, we are human.
You release info on a device that you feel shows signs of defying Physics and suddenly you are not getting the odd comment on your opinion, you are getting bombarded left, right and center by every Tom, Dick and Harry. It can be a very over whelming. So what do you do?
You either Ignore or you try to reply. Yet your replies are rushed and not thought out.
Been there and done that, and I only demonstrate my attempted replications and do not claim anything, yet the abuse rolls in.
What would it be like if I did discover something and post it public?
folks when you watch the compass vidio remember the compass is a magnet also. It may clear up some of your confusion with such.
Quote from: AbbaRue on March 22, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
The compass clearly shows that the magnets on the disk are just block magnets with the poles facing up and down.
And a notch cut into the side of them. These are not horseshoe magnets.
A standard horseshoe magnet would have a north and south pole in the centre between the 2 legs.
He clearly shows in the video that this is not the case.
Take another look at the video at 5:22 if this was a horseshoe magnet the pointer wouldn't
point directly at the centre of that edge like it does.
I agree, the poles are on the side faces, not on the U ends like a regular horeshoe.
another observation:
The notch does not appear to be the work of a grinder, the inner surface of the notch looks to have a cast finish.
I wish to express my gratitude to Mylow for bringing this to our attention. It is always refreshing to think out of the box even if it breaks the status quo. Interesting regardless if it works or not
We all know we need independant verification before jumping up and down like locos , We cannot meaningfully replicate without knowing exactly how the magnets are performing , i.e a full B-H curve of both stator and rotor magnets. Their proximities, the temperature at the time the rig was running, The velocity of the edge of the rotor, The MOI of the rotor. Also including Aluminium in anything magnetic is generally regarded as a Big no, no. Would replacing the rotor with perspex or other material add to , or hinder the effect?
I find it hard to believe that the Ali crossbarr is enhancing the effect, (Sounds like a judson damper to me) Any form of braking, which is what will happen when you have that many horse shoe magnets wiz pass the crossbar cannot help be reduce overall efficientcy. But perhaps i am wrong , and the braking in some strange way is helping the magnetic materials recover after each transaction. I don´t suppose i will know until this is published in some journal or other. ( assuming its valid)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 22, 2009, 06:20:14 PM
No, too him being called an idiot is worse than calling him a liar, so if you are going to call him anything, call him a liar. That is all he is saying.
Mylow has been bombarded with YouTube emails and comments, he is trying to reply to them all as fast as he can and has probably now given up with the idiots and answering fast where he can.
The guy is still human after all. Think about it, you get one post here and there that may hurt you, we all get hurt easly, we are human.
You release info on a device that you feel shows signs of defying Physics and suddenly you are not getting the odd comment on your opinion, you are getting bombarded left, right and center by every Tom, Dick and Harry. It can be a very over whelming. So what do you do?
You either Ignore or you try to reply. Yet your replies are rushed and not thought out.
Been there and done that, and I only demonstrate my attempted replications and do not claim anything, yet the abuse rolls in.
What would it be like if I did discover something and post it public?
Hope ur right. Liar I am not, Idiot maybe, Mylow had it backwords like his poles.
Quote from: Craigy on March 22, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
I wish to express my gratitude to Mylow for bringing this to our attention. It is always refreshing to think out of the box even if it breaks the status quo. Interesting regardless if it works or not
We all know we need independant verification before jumping up and down like locos , We cannot meaningfully replicate without knowing exactly how the magnets are performing , i.e a full B-H curve of both stator and rotor magnets. Their proximities, the temperature at the time the rig was running, The velocity of the edge of the rotor, The MOI of the rotor. Also including Aluminium in anything magnetic is generally regarded as a Big no, no. Would replacing the rotor with perspex or other material add to , or hinder the effect?
I find it hard to believe that the Ali crossbarr is enhancing the effect, (Sounds like a judson damper to me) Any form of braking, which is what will happen when you have that many horse shoe magnets wiz pass the crossbar cannot help be reduce overall efficientcy. But perhaps i am wrong , and the braking in some strange way is helping the magnetic materials recover after each transaction. I don´t suppose i will know until this is published in some journal or other. ( assuming its valid)
It would be nice to get such information, yet I doubt we will. Equipment and knowledge to use such is usually just not available.
Who know what the aluminum content is of the disk, much less the what appears to be an old arbor for the bearing housing and plate mount. Simply a lot of unknowns with this one.
Surplus magnets again in which are an unknown, and so on.
Quote from: Craigy on March 22, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
We cannot meaningfully replicate without knowing exactly how the magnets are performing , i.e a full B-H curve of both stator and rotor magnets. Their proximities, the temperature at the time the rig was running, The velocity of the edge of the rotor, The MOI of the rotor. Also including Aluminium in anything magnetic is generally regarded as a Big no, no. Would replacing the rotor with perspex or other material add to , or hinder the effect?
Totally agree with you Craigy.
Mylow has produced more information in his collection of videos than any other thing we have tried to replicate over the years.
This is a huge difference that people are not recognising. Usually we get One or Two videos at the most and they vanish. Is this because of the abuse they get bombarded with or because it was a fake? who knows.
But Mylow is sticking around, he has had his doughts and his scares as we can see by the deleting of the videos and then the re-appearing.
So maybe the next step is to encourage him to measure the Flux of the different magnets, weigh everything and produce figures like the MOI. If he does not understand how to do these things, maybe he is open to learning them. I am sure if any of us found something like this, we would be more than happy to learn these things to get the information out there.
Be interesting to see if his new modifications of replacing the 2" cross bar with a skinny setup effects anything etc etc.
Thats unfair..to x 000013
X00013:
The aluminum disk is unknown alloy, but many machinists like to work with 4000 and 6000 series alloys because it cuts very well.
The bracket is most likely 300 grade as it is what Home Depot and Lowes use.
QuoteHope ur right. Liar I am not, Idiot maybe, Mylow had it backwords like his poles.
I would rather be called a liar than an idiot, one I can possibly substantiate, the other is questionable by being involved in pursuing over-unity to start with!
Ralph
Quote from: X00013 on March 22, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
and I see the Tube User named whgage calls him an idiot, so I click on whgages' profile page ( http://www.youtube.com/user/whgage ) , and I see MYLOW has found time to post a comment, "if you dont mind please dont call me an idoit i prefer more like a lire ok" . So I ask this, Why refer to yourself as a liar?
His comment sounds like irony/cynicism, refering to the bunch of people calling him a liar.. Actually he'd be a real idiot, writing this seriously ;D ;D
The theory of degaussing driving effect + magnetic viscosity is very interesting !
I've got neodym magnets and ferrite magnets that would be great for trying out this hypothesis (maybe when I've got more time)
It's only been a few days since Mylow posted his Mar. 17 video showing acceleration and continuous rotation in his replica of HJ's magnet motor.
It seems like a month, so much has happened.
He has been getting by on very little sleep, and it is starting to get to him.
He seems to feel obligated to answer every comment made, positive or negative.
I suggested that perhaps someone else could answer most of his emails for him, freeing him up to do some of the other things he needs to do.
That person could answer most of the question, then ask Mylow when there are new questions for which his input is needed.
They could build and maintain a FAQ page at PESWiki to refer people to.
I'm not sure how to do this (email assistant) logistically, since Mylow only has one email account/address, and he would not want to jeopardize the security of the other things for which he uses his email. So suggestions along those lines would be appreciated. The most obvious work-around would be for Mylow to merely forward to the helper any email regarding the motor. (I'm not sure he could do that without wanting to answer them himself.) The a separate channel could be established for priority communications with that person and myself, and others who he allows to have that level of access. Also, I've set up mylow {at} pureenergysystems.com for incoming email, and have listed that on the contact page. This can be diverted to the person helping Mylow with his email.
Any volunteers to play that role on his behalf?
Once we get a set of plans that are certified to result in a working unit, we can get some revenue going, and pay you for your efforts. For now, it will need to be voluntary time.
In addition to being trustworthy/loyal, Mylow will want this person to have the ability to both understand the project and have courteous correspondence skills. He tries to be tactful and professional even when people are being ornery with him.
Sterling <sterlingda at pureenergysystems.com>
Quoteauthor=PaulLowrance
...It's the way the field is for a normal horseshoe PM. As you can see, it does not match mylow's. See how the field is ***parallel*** to the back of the PM. In mylow's video the field is perpendicular...
Before Mylow removed his movies from youtube, I took a series of screen shots of the magnets and their polarities.
I agree with you, Paul.
The company that's re-magnetizing it may be able to give us more information. I wonder if Mylow would give out their phone number?
or-
ask him to email me at tvanderelli@nanomagnetics.us and I'll mail him a piece of viewing film no charge.
He can take a pix of the stator mag & post it on box.net or something.
Quote from: wattsup on March 22, 2009, 06:13:28 PM
3) Regarding the four in a row rotor magnets, I think this was done this way simply because the diameter of the wheel versus the spacing between each six sets was not really pre-calculated to fit perfectly and that fourth magnet was used to occupying the obvious over spacing. This tells me the actual build is not that critical and the the real effect can be accomplished in many ways.
That is my take as well. It's part of the serendipity of his being tape-measure challenged. He probably would not have made this lucky discovery if he was more analytical by nature.
I'm a bit confused about the idea of mylow answer every question. During the beginning in his original youtube page a guy clearly asked mylow if he could take his machine to a University. In that same thread at youtube mylow answered a lot of questions, but he kept ignoring this guy! Why, because it was one of the best questions?
Also, a lot of people here who are the ones interested and trying their best to replicate his machine have asked great questions, but he's not here answering any of them.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 21, 2009, 04:02:19 PMWhen someone is going through as much turmoil as Mylow is right now, it is not a good idea to even joke about threats. He's been getting 3,000 emails a day. Yahoo even contacted him complaining about the volume of bandwidth he was using. He was up until 3:00 am last night trying to respond to each one.
Sorry to bring this up, but something's not making sense to me. Mylow's claiming to get 3000 emails per day, but every time I've looked at this youtube page there was not an overwhelming amount of messages. In fact, I'm looking at his *total* views over the past 24 hours and they range from 91 to 309 with an average of ~ less than 200, and those are not unique video views. Heck, I probably count for at least 30 of those views on each video.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MYLOW121363&view=videos&sort=v
3000 emails per day??? Hmm. My suggestion, Sterling, is to slow down a bit!!!
PL
An avg. view of 200 results in 3,000 emails a day? Sounds like a tall tale....
And why hasn't the primary video that caused all the interest been reposted? You know the one that shows the motor actually running.... the one that's 9:42 in length.
(video #6 @ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=reiyuki&view=videos)
And check out the magnet/ruler video. Those are some seriously weak magnets. He's got 2 of them sitting happily next to each other at a spacing of 5/8". I've got a large collection of various magnets and could only find 1 kind, very small, super weak ceramics - that would sit that close together.
(and even the compass video shows they need to be very close to cause a decent effect)
Capthook, Mylow's videos were reposted over the last 2 days. When the originals were pulled Friday, the most popular was touching 4000. That's of a video that had been posted 2 days prior.
His first video was posted *over 1 month ago." Sorry, I've been an system admin to servers since 1997, and can't understand how he's getting 3000 emails *per day* over this. Is he including spam email?
PL
I believe this is the popular mylow video showing the full thing self-running. It's a google cached page and shows only 207 views in one day. You can see a snapshot of the video in upper/right corner next to his username -->
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:kKu_djcUVBQJ:www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2kl3XiiqBj0+MYLOW121363+%22howard+johnson%22+views+site:http://www.youtube.com&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:kKu_djcUVBQJ:www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2kl3XiiqBj0+MYLOW121363+%22howard+johnson%22+views+site:http://www.youtube.com&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
That video was published March 16th. The 207 views per day as shown by googles march 17th cache is a bit lower than his present views per day on the more popular videos, but in the range. In the upper right corner of the screen you can see googles cache date.
PL
The missing working video is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398&feature=channel_page
9M:42sec
Norman
The one with the smaller H magnet is the one I believe is missing. The first one shown running I believe.
Hey sterlinga: so does his new support legs (all aluminium ones) work as shown, ie with the magnet as high up as in the newer photos on page 37?
QuoteHe said the all-aluminum (including the screws) stator holder that he made works better than the previous one that had wooden support legs.
If so the stator could only be acting significantly with the top (N) of the rotor magnets, could be good to know, in that the rotor ones possibly don't need to be C shaped at all.
Andrew
I have spun a middle magnet ,between 2 other magnets,
for hours.
All 3 of them on my workbench,easy easy easy,
The middle magnet about 1cm flat circular standing on its edge.
The other two magnets,like the dc motor magnets shown here.
Surely someone else here has done this,?????
J.
Hi Sterling:
Well, someone beat me to it but the idea is great. Since you have a good rapore with him,
how about you send him a magnetic view sheet and get pics of the magnets. That will clear
up all the hubba bubba on them.
Unless the polarity is know, cant reproduce.
thaelin
got photos or drawings???
Quote from: Judges on March 22, 2009, 11:29:26 PM
I have spun a middle magnet ,between 2 other magnets,
for hours.
All 3 of them on my workbench,easy easy easy,
The middle magnet about 1cm flat circular standing on its edge.
The other two magnets,like the dc motor magnets shown here.
Surely someone else here has done this,?????
J.
One Comment to all: If this thing turns out to be real, which I 90% doubt, then one should not try to understand its working principles or ask questions based on established understanding of magnetism. Relying on known magnetism effects is only an exercise in futility. If this thing is real, science will have to turn to HJ Spintronics to explain this motor. The spin parameters would have taken over under HJ magnet configurations and only they could explain the behavior.
Having said that, I will only believe on Sterling validations.
Thanks,
Miki.
new vid up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w48QuEfL59Q
I'm rooting for him, but that last video seems like a step backward.
I believe this is one of his best videos! But this has reached a point where he MUST allow an on site examination of the device. Videos on
the interent can only go so far.
I would hope that he would take up Sterling's offer to let one (or more) individuals examine in detail the motor. It will only take a moment to verify this device. Without a doubt if this proves to be factual it is a major accomplish worthy of all the honors that would be due him.
This has reached a tipping point either open the door for some kind of on site display or ...
If it turns out to be valid what a wonderful accomplishment!!
G'day all,
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but in the latest video it shows the rotor magnets in relation to the stator magnet.
Now we know that the magnets used by Mylaw are not very strong. Which makes it rather surprising that the distance between stator and rotor magnets is so large. I would not have thought that magnets of that nature can so profoundly influence each other at the distance shown.
I have attached a still from the video below that shows what I mean. What do you guys think?
Hans von Lieven
@ Sterlinga , could you please ask MYLOW to ask his brother what grade of aluminum it is, yes the plate looks like 6061, but this needs to be certain if eddy currents are indeed a part of the puzzle, different grades brake at different speeds and so on, I cant justify a guess considering the time and money it takes. BTW thanks for the stills, I just wish the top one was a liitle more on z axis, but good enuff!! Thanks
@ Hans, you got me !! LOL, I clicked the play button for like 1 minute before i read post. thought my pc locked up!! chuckle!!
Hans,
Your picture above depicts the stator in the off or static mode.
Note the blue felt tip mark on the support bar just to the left of the magnet, That is where the stator must line up with the rotor magnets which is quite close.
He points this out in more than one of his videos that I am sure you have watched. I am somewhat shocked to see you mention this at current point in time. That is unless the rotor was revolving when your posted picture was taken! The only time I viewed it in this postion was before starting and when he uses the stator support bar to stop it.
Ralph
Quote from: X00013 on March 23, 2009, 02:08:09 AM
@ Hans, you got me !! LOL, I clicked the play button for like 1 minute before i read post. thought my pc locked up!! chuckle!!
LOL You are not the only one, I have fallen for that one before too ;D ;D
Hans
Quote from: rlortie on March 23, 2009, 02:13:10 AM
Hans,
Your picture above depicts the stator in the off or static mode.
Note the blue felt tip mark on the support bar just to the left of the magnet, That is where the stator must line up with the rotor magnets which is quite close.
He points this out in more than one of his videos that I am sure you have watched. I am somewhat shocked to see you mention this at current point in time.
Ralph
Sorry Ralph, but in the new video he has the motor running with the stator in this position.
Hans
I thought it was a good video, and his best by far. There's no need to make a glass table video, as this qualifies well enough. The last item on my list is just to take it to a University and at least see what they say. They're not going shoot you. To be honest, sending someone in the "free energy" community to test it out would be nice, but it's no where near as convincing as allowing a notable scientist analyze it. My advice for mylow is to just make sure he does not let *anyone* take the machine out of his sight.
PL
Last Video glass table, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kki3aBMn_-k
I had to download that one! LMAO, I loved the last 5 seconds, maybe I'm a cynical bastard but it made me laf because it's happened to me so many times before!! God Bless his heart!! I can see it now, " it totally destroyed itself!!" I'm gonna try a build anyhow, Thanks MYLOW
@PaulLawrance,
What university, what notable scientist? Why are you insisting so much on getting it into the dead end of the academia and the job schemers there? What needs to be done is for Mylow to allow @X00013 or @CLaNZeR, @tao, @clikUK or someone with a proven record from overunity.com to visit him, see the device in action and promptly reproduce it. Hopefully then everyone else here would be able to have one working. The pressure should come from outside of academia. Are you so naive to allow the manipulators stalling the progress for centuries and especially during the last, 20th, century to take over and mercilessly squash it? I object categorically to such a dead end prospect. I’ve already told you that and will keep repeating it until you somehow start to get it.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 02:44:50 AM
@PaulLawrance,
What university, what notable scientist? Why are you insisting so much on getting it into the dead end of the academia and the job schemers there? What needs to be done is for Mylow to allow @X00013 or @CLaNZeR, @tao, @clikUK or someone with a proven record from overunity.com to visit him, see the device in action and promptly reproduce it. Hopefully then everyone else here would be able to have one working. The pressure should come from outside of academia. Are you so naive to allow the manipulators stalling the progress for centuries and especially during the last, 20th, century to take over and mercilessly squash it? I object categorically to such a dead end prospect. I’ve already told you that and will keep repeating it until you somehow start to get it.
@Omnibus
I agree completely. Mylow has already bend over backwards to give people all the information and video that proved this stuff only needed to be replicated independently by others. What else can academia prove? He is not promising Overunity. Maybe he's discovered an anomaly with Howard Johnson's magnet arrangement. Hats off to the gentlemen for being so unselfish.
cheers
chrisC
Hans,
I pulled my last post for edit due to a need of political correctives :) and you beat me to a response. I have once again run the video looking for your discrepancy without finding it. Can you perchance post the time on the video number and and time on the clock that your still shot was taken?
Although he has showed us the the inside of the drawer and the back side showing no hidden devices their is still Eric vogals input of a possible fan blowing on the rotor magnets. This would be located to the left of the unit just outside camera range. This also being the only direction he does not pan too.
Ralph
Omnibus,
You speak so highly of people here with this "proven record." Is there a notable scientist or professor posting as this forum? If so, then send them. If not, then please show me *one* major breakthrough here. Look in the history books if you want to see what conventional science has achieved over the past century. Go ahead and throw your rocks at conventional science if you want. I want someone who at least understands the meaning of unambiguous science, not hand waving or claims, etc. What is this "proven record" person going to do? Take measurements? Anyone can take measurements. I'm looking for measurements and far beyond that. Who can do that here? A lot of talk about how conventional science, FEMM, etc. etc. is so wrong. It may not be perfect, but show me one clear cut experiment that proves FEMM is wrong, or conventional physics is wrong within any reasonable limits. You might say mylow's experiement proves FEMM wrong. Hmm, perhaps you should look at my website to see clear cut FEMM results showing free energy. Have you entered mylow's device in a 3D magnetics software? To be real honest with you, I'd be afraid to death for mylow to have anyone get near the guy that you'd recommend. Sorry, but that's being honest!
PL
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 02:44:50 AM
@PaulLawrance,
What university, what notable scientist? Why are you insisting so much on getting it into the dead end of the academia and the job schemers there? What needs to be done is for Mylow to allow @X00013 or @CLaNZeR, @tao, @clikUK or someone with a proven record from overunity.com to visit him, see the device in action and promptly reproduce it. Hopefully then everyone else here would be able to have one working. The pressure should come from outside of academia. Are you so naive to allow the manipulators stalling the progress for centuries and especially during the last, 20th, century to take over and mercilessly squash it? I object categorically to such a dead end prospect. I’ve already told you that and will keep repeating it until you somehow start to get it.
I think you are absolutely right Omnibus. I think we should keep academia right out of it, Plenty of time for that when we have half a dozen or so replications from forum members.
Sorry to say it, but an academic scientist can do everything anyone here can do and a *whole* lot more.
PL
@PaulLawrance,
To clear the first point, yes, there are professors here. As for the history of the conventional science, I won’t look in these books, because these books are books of the suppression, squashing exactly the phenomena we’re discussing here. Asking the conventional science to decide about them is to give the sheep to the wolf. @chrisC already said, “Mylow has already bend over backwards to give people all the information and video that proved this stuff only needed to be replicated independently by others. What else can academia prove?†What is needed now are devoted people who can really make things and have unambiguously proven that in this forum. I already mentioned a few of them. If I’m to be afraid to death for Mylow it would be exactly of the opposite to what you said. The so-called academia is the reactionary force in this case and it is the real threat. And I know what I’m talking about because one of the mentioned by Mylow victims, Gene Mallove, was my dear friend and I have set up a charitable organization named for him.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 23, 2009, 03:10:44 AM
Omnibus,
You speak so highly of people here with this "proven record." Is there a notable scientist or professor posting as this forum? If so, then send them. If not, then please show me *one* major breakthrough here. Look in the history books if you want to see what conventional science has achieved over the past century. Go ahead and throw your rocks at conventional science if you want. I want someone who at least understands the meaning of unambiguous science, not hand waving or claims, etc. What is this "proven record" person going to do? Take measurements? Anyone can take measurements. I'm looking for measurements and far beyond that. Who can do that here? A lot of talk about how conventional science, FEMM, etc. etc. is so wrong. It may not be perfect, but show me one clear cut experiment that proves FEMM is wrong, or conventional physics is wrong within any reasonable limits. You might say mylow's experiment proves FEMM wrong. Hmm, perhaps you should look at my website to see clear cut FEMM results showing free energy. Have you entered mylow's device in a 3D magnetics software? To be real honest with you, I'd be afraid to death for mylow to have anyone get near the guy that you'd recommend. Sorry, but that's being honest!
PL
Presumably eliminate the possibility of fraud. That's all that's required at this stage. It doesn't need an academic for that.
Exactly. Also, have a first hand examination of the device by devoted people experienced in manufacturing and having facilities for such, so that working replicas can see the light of the day sooner.
Has anyone who watched the video taken a look at the speed of that wheel? If you measure the time for each round, it seems thee is a 33 RPM turntable in the drawer under it that drives it via magnet transmission.... maybe it is 45 RPM, but sure not 78RPM turntable - just a thought that might be worth some attention.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AMTo clear the first point, yes, there are professors here.
I haven't seen any. Then send them. Maybe this person does not post.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AMAs for the history of the conventional science, I won’t look in these books, because these books are books of the suppression, squashing exactly the phenomena we’re discussing here.
If that's true, then at least academic science has accomplished something.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AMAsking the conventional science to decide about them is to give the sheep to the wolf. @chrisC already said, “Mylow has already bend over backwards to give people all the information and video that proved this stuff only needed to be replicated independently by others.
Sorry, but it's not proven yet. I could ask mylow to do a truck load of experiments on his machine, but feel lucky to even get the glass table experiment.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AMWhat else can academia prove?â€
How much time do you have. 1. That it works. 2. How it works. 3. How to replicate it. 4. How to improve it. 5. A mathematical model.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AMWhat is needed now are devoted people who can really make things and have unambiguously proven that in this forum.
Academic scientists can't make things?
A university would have access to a lot of expensive equipment.
PL
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 03:29:36 AM
@PaulLawrance,
To clear the first point, yes, there are professors here. As for the history of the conventional science, I won’t look in these books, because these books are books of the suppression, squashing exactly the phenomena we’re discussing here. Asking the conventional science to decide about them is to give the sheep to the wolf. @chrisC already said, “Mylow has already bend over backwards to give people all the information and video that proved this stuff only needed to be replicated independently by others. What else can academia prove?†What is needed now are devoted people who can really make things and have unambiguously proven that in this forum. I already mentioned a few of them. If I’m to be afraid to death for Mylow it would be exactly of the opposite to what you said. The so-called academia is the reactionary force in this case and it is the real threat. And I know what I’m talking about because one of the mentioned by Mylow victims, Gene Mallove, was my dear friend and I have set up a charitable organization named for him.
Funny that you should mention Gene. I wrote an article, "Aether Vacua and Cold Fusion", which Mallove accepted for publication in Infinite Energy.(Issue 46, pp. 28-33, 2002). There is no way that article would ever have been accepted for publication in the conventional scientific press. Wasn't it the way MIT handled the cold fusion controversy that pushed Gene into starting Infinite Energy? Something like that.
@ Paul L,
I think what Omni wants is what you want as well as myself. To start with, a visit from an objective person, to record, analize and observe on a low level, and to build it. you see, there are not to many guys that can jump in a plane on a moments notice, have the equipment to measure a device like this within reason and promptly begin cloning it. You need a guy with a plane, gauss meter, micrometers, hi def cam, machine shop, and you get the picture, NO Degrees are needed for the first step in confirmation of this device, so far it's MYLOW against the world, he needs us, we need him, one step at a time,
@ Sterlinga and ALL,, I thought i saved a page from pewski mentioning the diameter of the disk, i cant seem to find it, what did Sterlinga say the dims were? Diameter and thickness?
I think you only prove my point X00013. A local University to mylow already has more equipment then anyone here would ever want to ship over there. It's at least worth the try. If they tell mylow they're not interested then so what? I could post a request to the academic community, and would bet the farm that someone would come forward to analyze mylow's device.
I don't think you people have any idea the level at which a team of academic scientists could quickly take mylow's device, if it's legit.
PL
Quote from: X00013 on March 23, 2009, 03:46:14 AM
@ Paul L,
I think what Omni wants is what you want as well as myself. To start with, a visit from an objective person, to record, analize and observe on a low level, and to build it. you see, there are not to many guys that can jump in a plane on a moments notice, have the equipment to measure a device like this within reason and promptly begin cloning it. You need a guy with a plane, gauss meter, micrometers, hi def cam, machine shop, and you get the picture, NO Degrees are needed for the first step in confirmation of this device, so far it's MYLOW against the world, he needs us, we need him, one step at a time,
Well said X00013. 8)
@Grimer,
Let's not talk about the 'cold fusion' saga here. I was in the center of it back then but we're discussing something else here.
Mylow's, if confirmed, is earth shattering. Nobel prizes are about status quo while this isn't. No need to pander to the reactionaries and beg them for crumbs.
Yeah, I just heard MYLOW found the 12th string
In all of videos, the thing is never shown running for more than a few minutes before he stops it!
How hard would be to buy a tripod to sit the camera on, and let the thing run the whole nine or ten minutes of the video??
And now the guy is moving on to something else??, a familiar pattern forms here...
I`d love for this to be real, I guess I`ll have to wait till someone tries to replicate it..
Please stay on topic - Mylow's replication of Howard Johnson's permanent
magnet motor. All this other stuff is a pure waste of my time and good
magnetic space.
Norman
These are the results I got when moving a compass around a horseshoe magnet. I think they are what Mylow was showing in his video except he had a compass that was so large relative to the magnet that he could not get the compass between the poles of the magnet.
@PL
@omni
@x13
since stefan isn't around and we're once again into a bonfire of the vanities and 'look at me, look at me, look at me', I'll once again provide the service for the entire overunity.com community...
shut the f'up - this is a howard jones replication thread...
go create a academia vanity vs non-academia thread and have at it....
your friendly pitbull
dixie
It would be interesting to know if this would work with a electromagnet as the stator! A DC brushless motor!
Think of the possibilities.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 23, 2009, 02:02:18 AM
I have attached a still from the video below that shows what I mean. What do you guys think?
Hans:
The airgap picture you posted was at :30 before the disk is started.
Here are 2 screenshots that are indicative of the airgap when it is turning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w48QuEfL59Q&feature=channel_page
(edit: added a 2nd screenshot)
@dixiepnum
Only one word to say here.......................DITTO.
Let's keep on topic.
@sterlinga
Points for Mylow.
1) One suggestion for Mylow to determine his magnet strength is to always use the same piece of iron, stick it to the magnet and see if it holds. As the magnet gets weaker, eventually it will not hold anymore and this will give him a set standard by using the same piece of iron. Low tech but hey. or he can use several different iron sizes that are numbered from smallest to biggest and see which is the biggest one that holds.
2) Once he put that book under the wheel, I am thinking it probably also made the wheel less level to the horizon and this could cause some slowing of speed especially since his wheel is not perfectly balanced given the 4 magnets on only one side.
3) The only other video I would like to see is him taking apart the base. This would cover 100% of the device and address all concerns although I must say I am already 98% convinced this is real. The remaining 2% is just my continuous quest or call it an obsession with detailed observation.
4) In his last video he says the rotor magnet protrusions are top north and bottom south and the stator magnet is north closest and south furthest. Is that the final determination because it seems I read earlier on that the rotor mags where north north with the south on the back end. Hmmmm.
5) Mylow, what you just showed is the beginning of something really great. I don't know if you realize the implications but this will influence future motor builds not only in the way you have shown but even in a fully coil wound system. The north south relationships is what is important here. Once guys figure out how to do this with neos, watch out and don't stop it by hand. lol.
@Hans
The wheel never started from that far away. But when seeing how the wheel stops when the stator is pull away from the rotor, one would expect the wheel to quickly just stop on its own and not have to stop it by hand or my scrapping the edge with the stator stand, since the stator magnet is now longer an influence.
This gives you an example of the actual wheel momentum. When the wheel starts it is 100% dependent on the stator to slowly start the turning but as soon as he is through the first six magnets, the larger space between the first six and the next six is where it is taking on enough momentum to pass the weak sticky spot of the second six but there is a maximum eventual build-up of momentum potential because the stator from the other end is also acting as a brake otherwise the wheel would continuously gain momentum, regardless if the magnet is weak or not. It is as if this wheel is working like a fine pendulum balancing between a brake and momentum state.
@all
Technically, even though the base was not taken apart, I think there is more then enough on the table for building. I don't think the dimensions are that critical, only the base method of magnets alignment is important. I would say that even a smaller wheel with 2 sets of 6 should be enough to get it turning. Hmmmm. Another project amongst so many. But this is a very easy build on a scale of one to ten I would say 2-3.
There is alot of Ed Leedskalnin in this device but Ed did it in reverse, rotor mags pointing outwards.
And I HAVE to 2nd your Ditto wattsup
Having gone back and forth from it's real/it's a fake, I'm settling in more towards the real. The questions/thoughts for me are:
1) The 'off-angle' orientation of the fields between the stator (E-W) and the rotor (N-S) is an odd arrangement and I believe results in a narrow field of the rotor magnets (N-S) producing a 'small sticky' spot that is overcome by the weight/size of the rotor and its flywheel effect.
2) The u-shaped stator is a somewhat unorthodox approach.
3) Whether it's possible to construct a working device using rare-earth/stronger magnets as it seems to work due to the weak magnets/weak 'sticky spot'
4) Is the effect present only due to the degaussing of the stator? (edit: this is a biggy and IMO is a high probability meaning it's not OU/Free Energy but just using the stator as a 'battery'. But, then again, as has been mentioned, one could 'recharge' the stator for 'free' via a stack of neos)
5) Can the above points be overcome and the design be improved to create enough torque to run a generator?
@capthook, thanks for the screen shots. I can see why Hans is so skeptical, however. We all are. This claim is so out of the ordinary that all kinds of things come to mind until the guy allows a visit. Let’s not get carried away, though, in our skepticism and avoid throwing in far-fetched proposals. The cat that sneaks from underneath the motor in one of the last videos is not the perpetrator of the fraud by driving the motor, neither is the gap between magnets impossibly big to say gotcha or the dish washing one hears in the background helping the motor to run.
By the way, the proposal for an electromagnet as stator which someone already gave and @k4zep reiterated is a very good one, to study the appropriate conditions for the appearance of the effect. Once established, it’s easy to condition the induction of a permanent magnet at the appropriate value or values which allow the motor to spin.
Mylow has been asked more than once by various people to have the camera secured at a position of full view of the motor and have the motor run for the maximum 10min youtube allows for. What's the problem, why wouldn't he do that? Aside from other things, it would help to measure, as in Finsrud's case whether or not it's slowing down (it wasn't in Finsrud's over 40min video). Whoever has the rapport currently with Mylow, please ask him to carry out that simple project (simple, provided the whole story isn't fake) -- videoing in full view the motor running for 10min.
P.S. Incidentally, @capthook, you're asking to stay on topic but you are continuing with the degaussing. It has been said more than once, this is not the issue. Furthermore, such degaussing conventionally cannot be the driver of the motor and even if present it cannot overthrow the OU essence of what is seen, if real. So let's not get back over and over again to non-issues and waste bandwidth.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
Mylow has been asked more than once by various people to have the camera secured at a position of full view of the motor
On their own, videos aren't worth a piss in a bucket.
What we need is a set of engineering drawings, or at least the data to generate the same.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 22, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
It's only been a few days since Mylow posted his Mar. 17 video showing acceleration and continuous rotation in his replica of HJ's magnet motor.
It seems like a month, so much has happened.
the person could answer most of the question, then ask Mylow when there are new questions for which his input is needed.
Sterling <sterlingda at pureenergysystems.com>
If he releases specifications + engineering drawings, or at least the data for us to generate them, then half the workload may vanish.
Paul.
We've been through engineering drawings before, to no avail. Recall Jason's (@Jdo300) when he helped everyone by making drawings regarding a similar claim. What we need now is first, as @X00013 said, to have someone verify on site that this is not fraud, take measurements and promptly replicate the thing.
Edited my message. I found the answer to my question.
Useless interview. It's less useful than even the videos. Why do we need blabber instead of real action?
P.S. Above was a response before the edit to a request for an mp3 of an interview with Mylow. I don't think Mylow should be encouraged to give interviews, which would give the appearance that all is good and well with his experiment. Giving interviews is not part of the validation process which hasn't even started yet. Some people really like to jump the gun for various reasons but that harms the noble cause we're all pursuing.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 11:00:53 AM
We've been through engineering drawings before, to no avail. Recall Jason's (@Jdo300) when he helped everyone by making drawings regarding a similar claim. What we need now is first, as @X00013 said, to have someone verify on site that this is not fraud, take measurements and promptly replicate the thing.
I agree. but if the guy is a proficient con artist, it is a hefty ask.
If he wants to share his research with us, then photographs taken, at a distance, in "third angle projection", would get us
a long way on the way to drawings, if not virtually there.
@Paul-R, I strongly suspect (unless he's a very elaborate con artist or there's a group scripting this) he's under the influence of lawyers or people around him who prevent him from understanding that in his best interest would be nothing else but to have someone validate it on site and have it promptly reproduced by as many people as possible.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 22, 2009, 04:10:25 AM
I find it difficult to believe that one can store magnetism and dispense it in small portions like ice cream. It would be stupendous if this were the case.
Hans von Lieven
Hans;
I don't find it so suprising, if one is using the right material in the magnet. For instance if
you draw a standard steel nail across one pole of a powerful permanent magnet then the
nail will then have some residual magnetism. Draw it across the same pole again and the
nail's magnetism will increase. But now draw the nail across the opposite pole of the magnet.
The nails magnetic field will decrease, draw it across again an it would not surprise me if
residual magnetism is near nullified. This is just like the iron magnetic in Mylow's set up.
The drawing across the pole can be simulated by moving numerous magnets passed the
nail without necessarily touching it.
This says nothing, of course about either the utility of storing energy in a magnet nor the
efficiency of doing so.
---
How does a discharging drive magnet power the wheel? I don't think this is so complex.
Suppose you have a magnetic wheel with a sticky spot. Now suppose you make
the drive magnet slightly less powerful on each revolution. I think you can see
that it may get past the sticky spot because it is always somewhat less powerful
on subsequent passes. So while it wheel moves by from the drive power on the first
pass it doesn't stick because of its lower power on the second. So indirectly
energy from the magnet due to it's behavior, can be powering the wheel.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
Mylow has been asked more than once by various people to have the camera secured at a position of full view of the motor and have the motor run for the maximum 10min youtube allows for. What's the problem, why wouldn't he do that? Aside from other things, it would help to measure, as in Finsrud's case whether or not it's slowing down (it wasn't in Finsrud's over 40min video). Whoever has the rapport currently with Mylow, please ask him to carry out that simple project (simple, provided the whole story isn't fake) -- videoing in full view the motor running for 10min.
Milow has claimed his motor working during several hours. If it isn't true, there's every chance that the whole story is a fake. So you've got two possibilities :
- you believe what he said : then there's no need to get a 10 min. working video
- you don't believe it : idem, because you will still suspect the rotor to be powered by a hidden device
so that doesn't get us anywhere ?!!
Quote from: xee2 on March 23, 2009, 08:04:10 AM
These are the results I got when moving a compass around a horseshoe magnet. I think they are what Mylow was showing in his video except he had a compass that was so large relative to the magnet that he could not get the compass between the poles of the magnet.
Hi,
Stefan & I discussed this earlier in the thread. The horseshoe PM you mapped *might* be the way mylow's PM started before he began using it on his machine, but it's definitely not the way it is in mylow's video. Take a look at the video again.
PL
Here's the quote -->
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 22, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
Xee2's diagram is the obvious horseshoe orientation, and is how I first drew it until I saw mylow's video. Xee2's diagram would not match mylow's video. See from 2:00 to 2:10 in the video -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5QUhI1IQE
See what I mean? Horseshoe PM's don't have the field coming straight out the back middle. Even mylow's alnico PM's are magnetized in a crazy manner. It's possible this crazy orientation is caused from running his Johnson machine for a long time.
Stefan agreed.
p.s. Universities would have access to the equipment to tell what type of magnetic material it is; e.g., Alnico 5,6, 8, stainless steel. There are endless varieties of steel with varying amounts of elements. Same goes for Alnico. Alnico 5 from one company may have different BH-loop characteristics than another company that makes Alnico 5.
Even after watching the compass video numerous times I still think the stator magnet has 8 individual poles. This is normal in hard drives and done for good reason. These magnets loose their strength very easily without the keeper. One good blow and they are done. I am sure this is no common horseshoe magnet.
Ill be working to prove this idea as soon as I can have some bench time.
I just got a look at mylow's latest video. It had an impact towards the last knocking over some magnets. It had spun several rounds before impact. So that tells me that the wheel had to be moved to impact. This becomes a red flag to me. But we have to keep an open mind.
Wouldn't it help if mylow carefully mapped the PM with some magnetite? He could separate the PM & magnetite with a thin clear plastic bag. This will show a 3D map of the PM.
PL
The little green sheet from the magnet shop will do a better job.
;)
thaelin
I have one of those green sheets from Edmund Scientific, but don't see how it shows the direction of the magnetic field.
PL
Here is my replication so far, I am using standard Radio Shack magnets. Have not achieved a full revolution as of yet but this is the first
model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&layer_token=72f5beb619fcfc16
That's a nice start. There's a lot of torque with those PM's, but alnico & hard steel will be a lot weaker, so it might be good enough for those.
The only question is, where do you buy alnico PM's. I'm wondering if mylow's design works if your replace the alnico's with hard steel, and replace the hard steel with alnico-- a reverse. That way you only need one alnico.
PL
Quote from: billmehess on March 23, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Here is my replication so far, I am using standard Radio Shack magnets. Have not achieved a full revolution as of yet but this is the first
model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&layer_token=72f5beb619fcfc16
@billmehess
Nice Job. I wanted to add and point out this article about mylow:
http://pesn.com/2009/03/20/9501532_Mylow-replicates-Johnson-magnet-motor/
Most importantly (about the middle of the article), notice the 3 and one 4 magnet arrangement. You should try something like this. Good luck.
I've read all the posts, this magnet combination that mylow is using does not seem to work for me. Of course I am using really different magnets so I am sure this has a lot to do with that. Also I believe that my disk at 8" is to small. I may be getting some reaction from the back of the stator against the pm across the disk.
I will build a much larger disk with more magnets. Hopefully this will allow me to power through and complete the revolution. Will see.
Thank you for your interest
Bill
Bill,
Would it be possible to replace your stator PM with magnetized hard steel? Stainless steel would qualify as hard steel. I'm not trying to distract you from what you have in mind, but offer some more possibilities, possibilities that would give you a chance of succeeding.
PL
Quote from: billmehess on March 23, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Here is my replication so far, I am using standard Radio Shack magnets. Have not achieved a full revolution as of yet but this is the first
model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&layer_token=72f5beb619fcfc16
@billmehess
Thank you for sharing and actually DOING something real to replicate. This thread is filled with people who just TALK, TALK and TALK! Just less talking and doing something like yourself would be so much more meaningful.
cheers
chrisC
Also, it's very possible mylow's Al disc is responsible for demagnetizing the stator hard steel PM at the correct location/time.
My present long term magnetic viscosity measurements are showing that even the type of steel makes a huge difference in the magnetic viscosity. One type of steel may require seconds to fully magnetize, while another type of steel may require hours. Maybe someone who knows for certain they have alnico can do the same experiment to see how long it takes to magnetize alnico.
An recent example, I placed a PM on a drill bit and within seconds it was magnetized; i.e., it remained magnetized. The ongoing test over the past several days on my horseshoe PM (probably alnico) took ~ 30 minutes to magnetize.
PL
@billmehes,
First off, as Stefan says, larger diameter disc is necessary. In this way the periphery magnets would more closely approximate the known working, if not in a closed loop, linear models. Second, there's a particular pattern of clustering the magnets in Mylow's case which isn't seen in yours, let alone the shape of the individual magnets.
Quote from: JuanDelaTorre on March 23, 2009, 02:25:36 PM
@billmehess
Nice Job. I wanted to add and point out this article about mylow:
http://pesn.com/2009/03/20/9501532_Mylow-replicates-Johnson-magnet-motor/
Most importantly (about the middle of the article), notice the 3 and one 4 magnet arrangement. You should try something like this. Good luck.
@JuanDelaTorre
Thank you for the link and related reading on Mylow. It's interesting to read, and I quote "He told me he actually cried.". If people are wondering whether this guy is a hoaxer, I've not read or met a crying hoaxer!
cheers
chrisC
@chrisC, if he’s showing a fake magnetic motor saying on video it works why believe him about the tears which we don’t even see him shedding in a video, @sterlinga’s article notwithstanding?
Hi Omni
What I am doing is very different from Mylow, I am using his configuration design but I wanted to see if I could get rotation using the magnets on hand. I will go to a larger disk and play with the spacing. The video that influenced me the most was the one where he was able to
move the stater magnets past the rectangular magnets. I felt this was a critical test. Since he could do this then I fail to see why these u shaped magents are so important. After all in the final analysis it's just all about moving the disk.
Your input is always appreciated.
Bill
Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
@chrisC, if he’s showing a fake magnetic motor saying on video it works why believe him about the tears which we don’t even see him shedding in a video, @sterlinga’s article notwithstanding?
@Omnibus
We'll I guess you have a point. In the context of him telling Sterlinga at that moment he cried ..., I just gave him the benefit of the doubt. Not too many people will go through all those videos to continue a hoax when eventually everything will be proven? I hope he has found something real and if he did, I think this gentleman should be richly rewarded for his perseverance and unselfishness.
cheers
chrisC
I've been doing various other long term magnetic viscosity tests on various steels, from hex keys to drill bits. I found a hex key that could be perfect for a mylow machine in terms of the type of steel. This particular hex key had magnetic viscosity on the order of sub seconds.
In short, who ever tests mylow's machine should have a good understanding of *proper* magnetic viscosity tests, as this is vitally important! I've seen a lot of people here and the steorn forum who've done *incorrect* magnetic viscosity tests. Please note that I am not insinuating I should go test mylow's machine because that's not an option on my end-- too busy with my ferrosim.
PL
I have now asked Mylow (on YouTube) to post a 10 minute video of his motor spinning, with camera in fixed position, and whole motor in view. I'm not sure if he will, but if he does, it will make motion analysis much easier, and answer the critics already suggesting that he is spinning it with his hand.
@chrisC,
Quoteand if he did, I think this gentleman should be richly rewarded for his perseverance and unselfishness.
Oh, no doubt about it. I said early on that if that turns out to be real all the credit should go to him and to nobody else (because he actually thinks that the credit should go to Howard Johnson). This would be a momentous achievement of far-reaching proportions. That's why it's so much in his best interest to have someone go there, verify it and reproduce it asap.
Can’t get over it. The wealthiest person is from a micro-company â€" Microsoft. Finsrud is in Drobak (compare w/ drawback). This high achievement (hope it's real) is by his low â€" Mylow. I thought understatement was a British invention.
Quote from: billmehess on March 23, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Here is my replication so far, I am using standard Radio Shack magnets. Have not achieved a full revolution as of yet but this is the first
model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&layer_token=72f5beb619fcfc16
Hi Bill
Good stuff.
You need to get the bearing more stable so it will take the load though, it is all over the place.
Mylow gets away with the way he mounts his Rotor into his bearing because of the weight and size of the Rotor.
Also his magnets are very weak and at the span of the his rotor is he is no way getting the load on the bearing as seen on your Rig.
For a small wheel as you have there and the forces you are using, I would go for a bearing that can be bolted through on a fixed axle. This will then take the load from the strength of the magnets.
With the setup you have there you have found that if you place all the magnets around they become one big magnet, so you have removed a couple. You now have introduced the well know Sticky Spot/Point in your design that we all come across eventually on 99% of designs.
Mylow claims to of got around the Sticky Spot by using the spacing he has shown, so this is a factor we need to consider.
Keep going though, as it is the only way we learn, by doing.
Cheers
Sean.
The last thing I would love to see is Mylow swapping the Aluminium Rotor for a wooden one.
If it still runs then, we can say goodbye to the Aluminium being part of the effect and also it would make it easier to replicate.
Hi witty and sharp minded OU dot Com guys.
I'm not kidding! It is a real pleasure to read all your 'exchanges' should there be
some gentlemen disagreements. ;D
Is Mylow a con artist or an honest (but naive and/or even "under some lawyer influence") guy???
That could be one question. I frankly do not still have made up my mind...
Yes, he should, at least, had shown us a 10 (or more) minutes of a non commented (please)
video (but with sound) of a clock and his turning wheel. :)). He also should had given us more
technical informations, for ex the diameter and the weight of his alu. wheel. Did he?
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Just my 2 cents, please: supposing the Mylow's device were genuine and also assuming that The
Reidar Finsrud's "perpetual" sculpture is working.... BTW: I would definitely bet on Reidar.
I have been playing with magnets during "a couple of time"! :))
This f' bl' sticky spots are really irritating. But is is Science.. Conservatives forces. Etc.. Yes sir!
But, I could figure out that this "glutinous point" should be 'overshoot' and that my
different wheels just 'wanted' to turn. When your 'stator' is hand driven you can get
your wheel turning just with a very slightly cadenced hand motion.
I mean: these sticky spots are not so 'terrific' but actually weak.
Yes, These are very accurate scientific statement! : ;D
Take an huge and heavy pendulum. This pendulum would only need a, from time to time,
slight cadenced push to overcome frictions and to keep it oscillating.
Now: the magnets sound very weak versus the inertia of the wheel.
Is this inertia that could overcome these "gluing locations" (I mean sticky spots!)???
In that case the wheel is "just" turning and could not deliver any extra power
comparatively to the R. Finsrud's device. But, according to Mainstream Science, is it not possible.
Is it?
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@BillMehess
Thanks a lot for your work. It is very promissing.
IMHO, you could use bearings from and old video tape recorder. They are very good.
With a more heavy rotor (inertia) you should be able to 'cross the stop spot' and to achieve a
continuous (for a while) motion. Thanks again.
Very Best
PS: I do agree with Ommibus (especially (but not only)) about Saint Einstein :)))!
@ MYLOW check this out http://cgi.ebay.com/Remagnetizer-for-Alnico-Magnets-Restore-Magnetism_W0QQitemZ190223884720QQihZ009QQcategoryZ119113QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
and read the product description " Alnico magnets can lose their magnetism if dropped, stored without keepers, or while demonstrating repelling magnetic poles. Instead of throwing these valuable magnets away, remagnetize them! The Remagnetizer restores the magnetism to Alnico horseshoe and bar magnets in just a few seconds."
Just got back from ACE Hardware with a large precision bearing. Will rebuild today with this, bigger disk and play around with his spacing.
Bill
Quote from: X00013 on March 23, 2009, 05:58:01 PM
@ MYLOW check this out Remagnetizer-for-Alnico-Magnets-Restore-Magnetism
I think the problem is in the Armature magnet that is Iron that he needs to get re-magnetised. He has never mentioned having to re-magnetise the Alnico Rotor ones.
Nice find though.
@CLaNZeR,
I don't see why it wouldn't work for iron as well.
Quote from: billmehess on March 23, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Just got back from ACE Hardware with a large precision bearing. Will rebuild today with this, bigger disk and play around with his spacing.
Bill
@billmehess
I was going to suggest, maybe going into a Big5 sportshop and getting some bearings used for Rollerblades? Maybe they're not good enough? Just a suggestion. I don't know how much you paid for at Ace hardware. Can you post a photo. please?
cheers
chrisC
@ all, it should work for all metals, a cost a $60 versus the $60 it cost him at the factory, or like everyone has been saying, put a " neo keeper on "
Legit researchers replicating the mylow machine should note that some stainless steels are non-magnetic. Martensitic stainless steel is indeed magnetic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel
PL
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Quote from: Omnibus on March 23, 2009, 06:15:16 PM
@CLaNZeR,
I don't see why it wouldn't work for iron as well.
This unit requires no power, in other words it probably has a couple of Neo's in it that will indeed re-magnetise Alnico.
Stroke a Neo across a piece of Iron in one direction and it will indeed magnetise it, how long will it last? try it.
Not an expert with materials and their properties but why Advertise a unit for Alnico only?
Also legit researchers should consider laminating the core. Perhaps thin hardened steel nails coated with paint bunched together.
PL
QuoteI frankly do not still have made up my mind...
Same here. It's still highly questionable. I would not spend the time & money replicating it until he can at least allow a notable scientist analyze it, and the main reason for saying that is because the stator magnet degausses, but there are other reasons.
PL
An acquaintance who is an expert on manufacture and behavior of magnets told me:
"Regular Iron magnets [like the stator] are generally older versions of Alnico, so even less coercivity, therefore less field required to re-magnetise. The field from the Alnico rotors seem sufficient in pushing the stator down its curve, and it not recovering. . . . It would be a useful and perhaps cost saving excercise for Mylow to put a couple of weak Neo discs or hard Ferrite on the limbs of his stator, one N, the other S, . . . open the airgap between stator / rotor to not de-magnetise his rotor Alnicos and see what happens."
- and -
"He says he tests the polarity of the rotor Horseshoes by putting a bar magnet in repulsion to each one. I don't know what material the bar magnet is but this may potentially de-magnetise the rotor Alnicos a touch. As soon as these things are in open circuit, without their keeper plate, they are in danger of losses from stray fields, even the way they are set up next to each other on the Alum disc, same pole, can cause losses."
Did Mylow ever state of what kind of material his stator magnet is and if he also bought
it somewhere in a surplus shop ?
Is it ferrite or also AlNico or just Iron ?
Just posted a new one :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XVv9VvNOyQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XVv9VvNOyQ)
I believe it started as Mylow saying the stator was iron and somehow the description changed to different flavors of steel.
There are grooves in the top and bottom surfaces. These are probably molded or pressed in. If true that would make it sintered Alnico, ferrite or ceramic. Ground surfaces on all can appear as shiny metal. The chipped edges also look like sintered Alnico, ferrite or ceramic.
And another one :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGk5Puqh44I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGk5Puqh44I)
One more :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBY70zNRw8c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBY70zNRw8c)
While all types of magnets can appear metallic when ground, Ferrite and ceramic magnets are generally much darker, due to more oxides being present in the material. The magnets in Mylows videos don't look like ferrite or ceramic types to me, and have a "sheen" consistant with Alnico.
Last time I checked, mylow only said it was iron. I only write it as hard steel since that makes more sense. Who knows what it really is.
PL
Guys, quit the fake talk already. I think Mylow did his utmost in his last videos and deserves some respect and less crass regardless if your language is hypothetical or not. Also asking for anything else (besides him takng apart the base on video - lol - which he now has shown with thanks) is not suitable. There is nothing more he can do so cut it out already. Getting a guy to visit him to do what? Going to a University to do what. Why would you need to map the fields. Why do you need to see it turn for 1 hour while he plays Musac. We have now seen it all. Just build the damn thing and make your own variations.
I observe. I question. I resolve. I plan. I build. I succeed or I fail.
Here is what I mean by offshoots of Mylows' device.
Using Neomagnets stuck to Iron Stock will render half of each neo to meld inside the metal.
I am sure there is something about the U shape with protruding polarities where the U cavity of each magnet provides a space for non obtrusive field exchanges between the rotor and stator mags. Like a very gradual field tearing effect as that rotor passes the stator.
What I would like to see is the wheel moving faster and stronger and lasting much longer. No this ain't a commercial. lol
Anyways, here is a drawing of what I mean and what I will try while others try the orginal Mylow version and/or other variations. Another way (could not draw it) is to use the Iron Stock and have the neos embedded inside the iron protrusions so the field is less direct for both the stator and rotor magnets. The neos could be round or square for the rotor but rectangular for the stator.
This will be project 4 for me right now given what I already have on the table with TPU's but I find these types of projects much more relaxing. More nuts and bolts and far less technical pulsing stuff and shocks.
Have fun and thanks again Mylow.
wattsup,
Are you telling people what to do? Everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion. I've outlined various legitimate ways how this could easily be fake, and there's nothing wrong with the people here discussing or at least mentioning it. It's a valid discussion.
PL
He's on a roll :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0GjVu1Joqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0GjVu1Joqk)
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 23, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
wattsup,
Are you telling people what to do? Everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion. I've outlined various legitimate ways how this could easily be fake, and there's nothing wrong with the people here discussing or at least mentioning it. It's a valid discussion.
PL
@PaulLowrance
Of course you're entitled to you own opinion! The trouble is, your suggestion don't really help, if I may say. You constantly hint that myLow is sort of faking it. You said you're too busy to build because you're 100% focused on your ferro stuff. Well, fact is that you're spending 100% of your time on this thread trying to put doubts in people's mind. We'll you don't need academia to gauge people's opinions on your motive.
cheers
chrisC
In his last video he describes his next video, which sounds better. I hope the next video is as described, with the camera far back showing everything, and very important that he also show the upper area of the top Aluminum bar where the stator PM is glued because there could be something inside that.
If it's legit, then maybe he has something similar to what Steorn was going to demo.
PL
Quote from: chrisC on March 23, 2009, 08:35:18 PM
The trouble is, your suggestion don't really help, if I may say.
That's your opinion.
Quote from: chrisC on March 23, 2009, 08:35:18 PMYou constantly hint that myLow is sort of faking it. You said you're too busy to build because you're 100% focused on your ferro stuff. Well, fact is that you're spending 100% of your time on this thread trying to put doubts in people's mind.
My sims are running on two computers all the time. I spend most of my time thinking how to improve my designs and such while my sims are running, and very little time here these days.
Quote from: chrisC on March 23, 2009, 08:35:18 PMWe'll you don't need academia to gauge people's opinions on your motive.
My motive is truth seeking. :)
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 23, 2009, 08:42:42 PM
That's your opinion.
My sims are running on two computers all the time. I spend most of my time thinking how to improve my designs and such while my sims are running, and very little time here these days.
My motive is truth seeking. :)
PL
Good! The truth WILL set you free....
cheers
chrisC
Glad everything's now clarified for you, chrisC, hopefully.
@paul l , your comment " very important that he also show the upper area of the top Aluminum bar where the stator PM is glued because there could be something inside that" LMFAO!, I am trying to respect you
Quote from: X00013 on March 23, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
@paul l , your comment " very important that he also show the upper area of the top Aluminum bar where the stator PM is glued because there could be something inside that" LMFAO!, I am trying to respect you
Sorry, I don't need your respect. An electromagnet could easily effect the stator PM. There's nothing wrong with covering all your bases. :)
PL
Hi Gang,
Pulled my old electrostatic motor made out of an AL can out of the junk box, found a old U magnet I had with the proper orientation. Found my super glue was old and hard, got to go and get some more tomorrow but as I simply don't have the workspace to build a rotor as big as MYLOWS, going to try, and I emphasize "try" and build a smaller one. I'm pretty good at small stuff......One chance in a hundred of success but got to give it a whack.
Haven't posted a picture in awhile, see what happens here.
Ben
Let us for a moment assume that mylows device actually works. Can you imagine what this would mean?
There would be some basic laws of physics that would have to be rewritten, this invention would have to rank up there with some of the most important in the history of mankind. I don't think I am overstating it's importance and the effect it would have on our society.
A source of energy requiring no external input- absolutly amazing!!
Imagine Hover dam running without water pushing the dynos, solar, wind, hydro, geo thermal could concievalbly become obsolete overnight.
The implications are staggering, this technology could be reproduced in every county in the world, it would not require billions of dollars in r&d or billions of dollars to complete hugh and expensive power centers (ex. nuclear power plants and 1000 acrea solar and wind farms).
This one little man could change everything for everybody!!
I pray that this will be proven real for the benefit of all mankind.
Bill
Quote from: derricka on March 23, 2009, 08:04:23 PM
While all types of magnets can appear metallic when ground, Ferrite and ceramic magnets are generally much darker, due to more oxides being present in the material. The magnets in Mylows videos don't look like ferrite or ceramic types to me, and have a "sheen" consistant with Alnico.
Quite right! I hadn't thought of the sheen being dark on the ceramics but I have some here that fit your description exactly. I also have cut ferrites that are the typical dark color except where they were cut. Shiny as clean cut steel there.
If ferrite or ceramic then the stator magnet would be much less likely to loose strength. Both ferrites and Alnico can chip easily. The grooves appear like they were the result of a pressed mold. I suppose after all the typing it boils down to the stator magnet most likely being a flavor of Alnico.
@Wattsup
Nice drawing, as usual. One problem on the rotor mags you show. Mylow's compass test clearly show the poles on the top and bottom of the 'C', not at the ends of the 'C'. His test also shows the poles are not straight up/down the vertical portion of the 'C'. Both poles angle about 20 degrees toward the opening of the 'C'. (Ok, I think I'm 'C' sick now)
Yes the compass is a bit large to probe these small magnets but his tests make it clear.
On your latest videos, Good for you Mylow!
Clearly you're genuine and sincere, and you've done a fantastic job on a real working replication....congratulations!
Thanks also for the chuckles ;)
Looking forward to more videos.
Regards,
.99
He posted two new videos.
for builders
in metric
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 23, 2009, 05:06:33 PM
The last thing I would love to see is Mylow swapping the Aluminium Rotor for a wooden one.
If it still runs then, we can say goodbye to the Aluminium being part of the effect and also it would make it easier to replicate.
hi ClaNZeR ..
i'll second your request for MYlow to try with a wood rotor .. but i think he's probably got his plate full of things to do now :-)
i 'm having a 18inch aluminum disk milled out in a machine shop today. i wanted to be sure that if the ALI was playing a role in whats going on that i had the disk to test with too. i choose 3/16 and 1/4 ALI but was surprised by how heavy the pieces were.
Look forward to seeing what the Master Replicator does(U) on this one .. as always ..
Cheers back at ya
Queue
@BEP
Thanks for checking my back, as usual. lol
I will re-look at the compass vids again and make the changes but I think guys got the general idea.
@X00013
Thanks. That is good work you just did there buddy. Also, we can notice the stator support arm is off the center and that is why the stator probably got banged into by the rotors. lol
We can also notice that the largest spacing is between the four rotors and the first set of three rotors. Bigger spacing since the four rotors would provide a longer throw so longer space after it. I don't know if all this design was intentional by Mylow. I would guess it is simply the result of just placing the rotors at his best ability.
I think my build will include the rotors placed on small clamps that will permit them to be repositioned without having to glue anything in place. This would simplify the task of finding the best inter-spacings.
Hi all
I tried to replicate HJ motor 3 years ago but failed...
Please find attached pictures..
I used two rotors (but picture shows only one), 6 stator magnet, 25 magnets/rotor, rotor made with non magnetic
stainless steel and cover with mu metal.
I see the big diff between HJ and Mr. Mylow is rotor magnet , As per HJ patent only north up which I did in my experiment but
Mr. Mylow using U magnet S and N.......
I hope Mr. Mylow did true replication ......I will try again...
regards
Chow
picture
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@steve_chow
Pretty impressive set-up you have there. Both the HJ drum and also the RV we discussed on another thread. I hope @Ash got back to you on that but if not, let us know in that thread. Damn nice work. I think we all have loads (no pun intended) of stuff lying around from all our trials (and tribulations). lol
@X00013,
Quotefor builders
Great job, mate. Carry on. I'll be following your replication with great expectation and hope.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 23, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
In his last video he describes his next video, which sounds better. I hope the next video is as described, with the camera far back showing everything, and very important that he also show the upper area of the top Aluminum bar where the stator PM is glued because there could be something inside that.
If it's legit, then maybe he has something similar to what Steorn was going to demo.
PL
Mylow, I would like to add to the above that a *lot* of people have been asking you to take a long uncut video of your machine to show that it does not slow down. Could you *please* do that, at least 9 minutes. I think Google Video allows a lot longer videos in case you want to really impress all of us by showing an even longer uncut video.
Thanks!
PL
@wattsup
I have been working on Free energy for last six years but so far no luck.......I will keep try..... ....
HJ - First I will try to install disk magnet on my rotor as same pattern as Mr. Mylow if does not work then will buy same magnet as Mr. Mylow.
RV- so far no response from Mr. Ash, but I will try with three phase transformer to charge battery...
As you know, My Alt current output voltage is 206 volts at ~14 amps.
I am also try to built transformer from Tesla patter # 390721 which I can use With RV alt. output...
regards
Chow
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 01:10:48 AM
Mylow, I would like to add to the above that a *lot* of people have been asking you to take a long uncut video of your machine to show that it does not slow down. Could you *please* do that, at least 9 minutes. I think Google Video allows a lot longer videos in case you want to really impress all of us by showing an even longer uncut video.
Thanks!
PL
@PaulLowrance
It seemed like you write a lot but you don't listen well. If you watch his last video, he specifically said he bought this really nice tripod and will do the complete pan out of a video showing the complete start-up process with his hands out of the way, so everyone can see he's not farting to move the disc! He also did mention the disc WILL slow down because the iron core demagnetize over time! Do you understand what he said or you want to believe what you wish to believe?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: queue on March 23, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
i 'm having a 18inch aluminum disk milled out in a machine shop today. i wanted to be sure that if the ALI was playing a role in whats going on that i had the disk to test with too. i choose 3/16 and 1/4 ALI but was surprised by how heavy the pieces were.
Look forward to seeing what the Master Replicator does(U) on this one .. as always ..
Hey Queue
Look forward to seeing your replication.
I was looking at the thickness and Mylow quotes 1/8" which is 3.5mm but it does look more like 4-5mm on the pictures.
Getting it CNC'ed out my a machine shop can be expensive, but as it is around the 400mm diameter there are things out there that may do the job for a fraction of the cost.
Take this Castrol Sign. Made of aluminium, 400mm Diameter and only £20.00 :)
Now that would be a sight : magnet-driven spinning oil signs worldwide , LOL
Quote from: JoinTheFun on March 24, 2009, 05:32:03 AM
Now that would be a sight : magnet-driven spinning oil signs worldwide , LOL
That's what made it appealing LOL !!
@CLaNZeR,
Don’t cheat. The source of energy of your motor is Castrol oil. It’s splashed all across your rig. LOL
This is better than the morning news :)
Hey Mylow! I love your instruction to Desert Pile. Hopefully he will heed your advice :o
Hi All,
There is an interesting mail in Naudin's Yahoo mail group on HJ's early patent application:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jlnlabs/message/38696 wrote by FISHEYE (floridaman@...)
For those who cannot see the content, here is the mail:
The problem with Howard Johnson motor is that it produced no horsepower and if
you touched it, it stopped. It was patented as a perpetual motion device. It has
bearings which can wear out preventing it from running forever. I know of a way
to make friction less bearings. Also i know how to get horsepower out of his
motor. I have a copy of the patent office board of appeals rejecting howards
claim, its dated april,9,1976, the patent was filed december,6,1973. You may ask
how i got this copy? A friend worked at the patent office that was the head of
the metallurgy dept. He knew i had a interest in this tech so he sent me a copy
of it. And also his drawings for the patent. We even met howard at virginia tech
to pick his brain about what he was working on. So my brother and i and my friend
pretty much reversed engineered howards patent and figured out how to get
massive amounts of horsepower out of it. At the time we had no funding or could
find a trustworty machine shop plus was worried about being gunned down by big
brother so we stopped. Our design would take a 100 ton press to put it
together, once it was together it would be spinning at a very high rpm. Nothing
would be able to stop it,unless the magnets came loose. The casing of the motor
would have to be bullet proof for safety. The output shaft could be hooked to a
transmission. I will have to dig up our old drawings and get them on the
computer. We pretty much figured out a way to control the repulsion of magnets,we
would be able to slow down the spin or speed it up but not stop the spin. It was
so simple a second grader could have figured it out, im suprised no one here has
done it yet.
Hopefully he will return with some scanned pages and drawings...
rgds, Gyula
@gyulasun,
It is well known that many have had claims throughout the years for such motors. Including Howard Johnson himself. Nothing, however, has any meaning until someone like Mylow makes a working model and makes sure that independent parties reproduce it.
How can I get it across to Mylow that it’s in his best interest and in the best interest of those who aim to defeat the powers that be on this issue that he has somehow to show it in a live demo to people like @X00013 or @ClaNZeR so that they can replicate it as soon as possible?
Did Sterling Allan make the interview yeasterday with Mylow ?
I don´t see any archieved file yet.
Did not have time to be up this late at my timezone 5 am in the morning...
couldn't you just stick some neos together to make a U shape? Would the resulting field be terribly different than a horseshoe magnet?
Quote from: sierraloewe on March 24, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
couldn't you just stick some neos together to make a U shape? Would the resulting field be terribly different than a horseshoe magnet?
I believe it would. We really need to see the field of his larger magnet. If the main field is protruding at a 45 degree angle out of the corner of the top and bottom that would be a very important part to duplicate.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 24, 2009, 08:34:07 AM
Did Sterling Allan make the interview yeasterday with Mylow ?
I don´t see any archieved file yet.
Did not have time to be up this late at my timezone 5 am in the morning...
Should think it will be here when they have made a copy of it
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/
Quote from: carbonc_cc on March 24, 2009, 08:50:40 AM
I believe it would. We really need to see the field of his larger magnet. If the main field is protruding at a 45 degree angle out of the corner of the top and bottom that would be a very important part to duplicate.
Maybe the company that had magnetized this magnet for him made an error or they only had equipment to magnetize
bar magnets, so they magnetized it differently than a normal U-shaped magnet would be magnetized from one leg to the other..
so maybe this is the secret to it all.
Regards, Stefan.
Did Mylow also let magnetize the Magnetizer-company his runner magnets or just his stator magnets ?
Did they only have equipment to magnetize bar magnets or did they also have equipment to magnetize U-Shaped magnets ?
If they only had equipment to magnetize bar magnets then the question is, how exactly in which direction they put his magnets into their equipment to get it magnetized.
This is very important. He should call them and ask this.
Many thanks.
Hi Guys,
I'd just like to quantify the number of replications being attempted and by who....
This is an open request to identify yourselves....
And if anyone can remember where the final spec summary is, can we post a hyperlink to help others along?
thanks!
:-*
dixie
By the way, Bill Beaty always comes up with nice ideas:
Here he is showing a cheaply made 3D magnet field viewing method made from using
cheap baby oil and iron wool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuA-dkKvrd0
Many thanks to Bill for this great video !
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
As far as I understand he got his rotor mags from that local Science and Surplus store as is. The re-magnetization was done by the company on his stator magnet (they charge him quite a bit for this job, it seems). I agree, the induction values and the form of the rotor and stator fields is crucial if one needs to reproduce the apparatus.
@gyulason
how can we email that guy to get his replication details?
thanks...dixie
Quote from: dixiepnum on March 24, 2009, 10:04:08 AM
@gyulason
how can we email that guy to get his replication details?
thanks...dixie
Hi,
From the Naudin yahoo group I checked his profile but it is hidden. I have sent him a personal e-mail via the yahoo SendEmail possibility within any yahoo group for members (from which it does not turn out what his real e-mail is).
Hopefully he will be answering... when he does and is willing to share any details I will let this thread know.
rgds, Gyula
@dixiepnum,
Just curious. Why would anyone wanna know replication details of something that hasn’t been shown to work? The closest one needs to know replication details about is of Mylow’s machine, isn’t it? At least he is showing it in a number of videos and seems to be cooperative to a certain extent so far.
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090323_Mylow_MagnetMotor.mp3
Last night I conducted a live, 1-hour interview with Mylow as part of the Free Energy Now radio series. http://FreeEnergyNow.net
Al "Witherspoon", a former associate of Howard Johnson's called in, expressing his approval of Mylow's model and open source approach. Living not far away, he said he saw HJ's motor running, and that HJ told him that he thought it would be someone [like Mylow] who would successfully replicate the motor.
Sterling
Just got off the phone with allmagnetics.com that seems to have provided what appears to be the closest match to the channel/bridge magnets that MyLow uses.
The part number I used was ACH79 for the rotor magnets and either HS3702 or HS811N for the stator. Pretty much all the c magnets are discontinued and are
no longer in stock. Something about cobalt material being in short supply or expensive. But they will do a special order if you've got thousands of dollars available
for tooling. This can mean a healthy lead time as well.
The HS3702 was also discontinued but it appears that the HS811N is still in stock. Didn't bother to pursue the stator magnets much since there is an issue
with the rotor mags.
Take care.
nap
Quote from: gyulasun on March 24, 2009, 07:52:33 AM
Hi All,
There is an interesting mail in Naudin's Yahoo mail group on HJ's early patent application:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jlnlabs/message/38696 wrote by FISHEYE (floridaman@...)
For those who cannot see the content, here is the mail:
"The problem with Howard Johnson motor is that it produced no horsepower and if
you touched it, it stopped...".
In that case, it was generating power to overcome friction and wind resistance. Not much, maybe, but
withourt doubt, some power.
The problem then becomes one of scaling in order to produce a device which is useful.
Paul.
Some notes need to be taken from the audio interview. I noticed a few things not previously mentioned in his videos or other communications.
I took a 1/4 thick piece of iron and made the C shape and then magnetized it top of C to bottom
of C lengthwise and then checked it with a compass and it has similar properties to Mylow's rotor magnets. I suspect the shape contributes to this anomalie.
Its easy. Try it yourself.
Norman
I assume I am missing something here and I know the "devil is in the detail" but maybe someone could explain this to me. Mylow shows in one of his videos the device working using 5 rectangular magnets. The stator magnet pulls it very smothly and the 5 magnets exit easily without any obvious evidence of a jerking motion which would be an indication of going through the "stickey spot".
If this works (as his video shows that it does) what is the need of the c magnets?
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on March 24, 2009, 01:20:25 AM
It seemed like you write a lot but you don't listen well. If you watch his last video, he specifically said he bought this really nice tripod and will do the complete pan out of a video showing the complete start-up process with his hands out of the way, so everyone can see he's not farting to move the disc! He also did mention the disc WILL slow down because the iron core demagnetize over time! Do you understand what he said or you want to believe what you wish to believe?
I've already mentioned both of your points, but IMO you've missed the obvious because you don't even mention the fact that mylow said his machine runs for at least 27 hours (1620 minutes). How in your mind do you equate 9 minutes to 1620 minutes.
Think about it brother.
PL
When I was talking to Mylow yesterday, he said that his brother is willing to make more aluminum rotors and bearings.
I asked him to have his brother call me so we can set up pricing and distribution.
Comment on YouTube: "Mylow, I think you've discovered the 'Holy Grail' that Howard Johnson left behind."
I highly urge you all to listen to the interview I did with Mylow last night. It is really moving. The guy is so sincere and genuine.
Talking about money to him is like talking in a foreign language. He just is not at all interested in that part of it.
I look at it as a way to keep this project sustainable and to further promulgate the cause of free energy.
As mentioned before, we will be splitting our proceeds 1/3 : 1/3 : 1/3
1/3 to Mylow
1/3 to HJ's heirs/assigns
1/3 to PES Network for administration of the project.
We (PES Network) also request that any commercial ventures license with us with a royalty of 3% to PES Network, which we will apportion as described above.
Also, please do me a favor. Things are happening too fast now. I'm not able to keep up with all the forum posts, including those coming across mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
Please send me a direct email <sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com> to bring my attention to:
- replications (especially successful) [please treat these as urgent; maybe even give me a phone call <contact page>]
- materials sourcing info
- drawings
Also, you can send such info to <mylow {at} pureenergysystems.com> which is being screened on Mylow's behalf by a project coordinator.
Thanks
Sterling
Our Mechanical Engineer, Doug Furr, is going to work on getting a rotor disc and bearing and stator assembly for us. I'm going to be sourcing some magnets today for our replication (PES Network).
Based on the information compiled here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans
Sterling
If people here are completely uninterested in having notable scientists analyze his machine, then you should accumulate a lot of different PM's to give or loan to mylow. Mylow believe's that it will work with stronger PM's.
Also, it would help if you give or loan him some tools. Perhaps a gauss meter, digital handheld tachometer, calipers, perhaps digital sensitive scale.
PL
Quote from: dixiepnum on March 24, 2009, 09:41:14 AM
I'd just like to quantify the number of replications being attempted and by who....
This is an open request to identify yourselves....
And if anyone can remember where the final spec summary is, can we post a hyperlink to help others along?
Please direct all current info on specs to this official page:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans
Remember, PESWiki is publicly editable. If you know of better information than what is there, please feel free to log in and update and save. Please cite your source if possible.
If you want to see a historic version of the page, click on the "history" tab found at the top of the page. Every single save is chronicled.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 24, 2009, 10:56:20 AM
In that case, it was generating power to overcome friction and wind resistance. Not much, maybe, but
withourt doubt, some power.
The problem then becomes one of scaling in order to produce a device which is useful.
That's very true, but still, assuming it's not fake, and that's a big if at this point, we don't even know if the energy is coming from demagnetizing the PM.
I'm ***HOPING*** people can get their emotions under control, be calm and rational about this, think, because we don't want to get the entire world all worked up over a machine that we think will bring global free energy when it turns out that it simply drains a PM and that's that!
When someone invents the real deal, we want it to take off like wild fires around the world before the few people who are desperately trying to get the world to not ignore it get bumped off.
There is nothing wrong with verifying that it's the real deal before everyone starts declaring it's going to bring global free energy. Those people who are getting everyone worked up please calm down.
PL
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 24, 2009, 09:41:22 AMHere he is showing a cheaply made 3D magnet field viewing method made from using
cheap baby oil and iron wool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuA-dkKvrd0
That's awesome!! Add that to the list of items to bring mylow.
PL
This is the official page for compiling replication attempts and successes and progress reports.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications
As any one replication report gets large, it can be moved to a page of its own.
e.g. [[OS:MYLOW:Replications:yourname]]
at [[OS:MYLOW:Replications]], let's list successes first, partials next, followed by duds, followed by "under way"
Had Mylow degreed his wheel to equal sets, it would have looked like this, in metric converted from the 17.125" dia. claim
The filings in a bottle of baby oil works quite well for looking at a single magnet. I've had one since it was posted.
I suggest something else if you want to see how multiple fields interact. The filings will act the same as in FEMM.
If you have one use an old TV screen, of Trinitron type with no shadow mask. You will see where the filings and FEMM fail.
Try it before you flame me for the suggestion.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 12:03:25 PM
If people here are completely uninterested in having notable scientists analyze his machine, then you should accumulate a lot of different PM's to give or loan to mylow. Mylow believe's that it will work with stronger PM's.
Also, it would help if you give or loan him some tools. Perhaps a gauss meter, digital handheld tachometer, calipers, perhaps digital sensitive scale.
PL
I'll be sending you a small (3" square) sheet of viewing film within the next few days to forward on to Mylow.
If you think one of my dynamic etalon lenses would help, let me know and I'll send one of them, too.
(view the lowest potential of the magnetic field) see: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/white%20led%20light%20room.JPG
Quote from: BEP on March 24, 2009, 12:48:50 PMIf you have one use an old TV screen, of Trinitron type with no shadow mask. You will see where the filings and FEMM fail.
Try it before you flame me for the suggestion.
BEP,
Calm down. The most common problem with people using FEMM is they do not understand that it is either a Planar or Axisymmetric problem. A lot of problems cannot be properly entered into FEMM. If you want, email me a problem you believe fails in FEMM.
These are simple issues taught in academic schools.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 01:06:36 PM
BEP,
Calm down. The most common problem with people using FEMM is they do not understand that it is either a Planar or Axisymmetric problem. A lot of problems cannot be properly entered into FEMM. If you want, email me a problem you believe fails in FEMM.
These are simple issues taught in academic schools.
PL
BEP is right. Position an old Trinitron tv or monitor with the screen upright, and the magnet's fields become quite visible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLHS_eMAWs&feature=channel_page
and this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bzDvvS3PfE&feature=channel
and this is what I mean about viewing the lowest potential with one of my lenses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxCYvDjFRM&feature=channel
Quote from: pinestone on March 24, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
BEP is right. Position an old Trinitron tv or monitor with the screen upright, and the magnet's fields become quite visible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLHS_eMAWs&feature=channel_page
Very nice!! Anyhow, that does not make FEMM incorrect. It only means people need to understand how to enter a problem in FEMM, or to know when it's impossible to enter such a problem in FEMM. :)
Quote from: pinestone on March 24, 2009, 01:01:53 PMI'll be sending you a small (3" square) sheet of viewing film within the next few days to forward on to Mylow.
Good idea! Mail it to the people who will travel to analyze mylow's machine.
Anyhow, also add to the list an accurate digital thermometer with at least 0.01C resolution. A lot of people would like to know if his stator PM is cooling. ;D I have a meter with 1E-6C resolution, but it's too difficult for most people to use. It would require academic scientists to use it. ;) Just kidding!
Thanks,
PL
Quote from: pinestone on March 24, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
BEP is right. Position an old Trinitron tv or monitor with the screen upright, and the magnet's fields become quite visible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLHS_eMAWs&feature=channel_page
and this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bzDvvS3PfE&feature=channel
and this is what I mean about viewing the lowest potential with one of my lenses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxCYvDjFRM&feature=channel
Yes, even I can see them clearly on the screen with my bad eyesight.
Good thing I did not study those 'academia' books taught by those lofty academic scientists!
cheers
chrisC
@All,
I asked Mylow via pm on youtube on 18 March, 2009 if he can have his brother manufacture the parts and how much he will charge for that and Mylow replied
Quotesorry my brother no longer works in his shop this disk was made 15 years ago when he did work in his shop.i am shure that this thing canbe made in any pro shop.its aluminum just a large aluminum disk.on a bear shaft .
@sterlinga now writes that Mylow has told him the following:
QuoteWhen I was talking to Mylow yesterday, he said that his brother is willing to make more aluminum rotors and bearings.
Is there a discrepancy here or what?
Omnibus
Perhaps there is a market now?
With a man like sterlinga moving things along, 5 days is a long time
Chet
@ramset, so I should be the first in line then. Yeah, sure. In several days the guy again became an owner of a shop because @sterlinga convinced him there is a market.
Omnibus
'Sorry my brother no longer works in''' HIS''' shop'
Just read your quote!
Chet
Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2009, 03:37:51 PM
@ramset, so I should be the first in line then. Yeah, sure. In several days the guy again became an owner of a shop because @sterlinga convinced him there is a market.
Mylows YouTubes are not getting many hits at the moment and looking at this thread there is only a handfull of die hards still grasping at the thought that this may actually be the one after examing hundreds of designs over the years.
But it will only take one replication that is successfull and watch it take off. You know it will.
FE has never been about making money for me, infact I think I would die if I added up the money I have wasted over the years on materials and tools, but it is fun and is a hobby. There certainly are more expensive hobbies that people have out there.
I just wanna see something SPIN !!!
The only promising thing about this is that Mylow seems a very genuine guy and has put up a lot of detail in his videos.
The icing on the cake will be the Glass table with panned out shots.
This end looks like I might of sourced the Rotor magnets with help of some good friends, but the Aluminium Wheel is going to take longer to get delivered. But I am intrigued to try this pattern out on a 17" Wooden wheel also, which I will knock up this weekend and hopefully the Rotor Magnets will be here.
The Armature magnet I am torn on and still confused to why it degrades when the Weak Alcino's here in my mind should be the victims.
On the back of this I am thinking of getting a relative size Ferrite magnet and with coolant grinding it in half. Then exposing it to strong Neo's to get the Poles where I need them to suit Mylo's
Might have a half cut replication to show when back home this weekend if time allows.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
I'm ***HOPING*** people can get their emotions under control, be calm and rational about this, think, because we don't want to get the entire world all worked up over a machine that we think will bring global free energy when it turns out that it simply drains a PM and that's that!
PL
Paul,
if it is running a few hours, it has already delivered much more than draining the magnets.
These Alnico and pure Iron magnets have a very low magnetic energy storage !
If it runs more than a few minutes it has proven already COP > 1.
@ramset, I see, you're up to some linguistics ruminations. Whose shop is "his" shop, then? It's like is "is" really 'is', following Clinton-Lewinsky profoundness.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on March 24, 2009, 10:59:51 AM
Some notes need to be taken from the audio interview. I noticed a few things not previously mentioned in his videos or other communications.
What was new to me from the interview was, that the stator magnet is a pure Iron magnet and no AlNiCo magnet.
So the remanenz and magnetic viscosity of this Iron seems to play a big role.
This is also , why it is demagnetizing after a while, cause the Coerzitive force of these Iron
magnets is very low and when the Alnico runner magnets went by and leave the Iron Stator magnet,
it will also try to repolarize a bit the Iron magnet...
I am amazed how low the forces are of these combinations, as you can see here at about 9:30 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XVv9VvNOyQ
It is interesting that at around 9:30 min he shows how the runner magnet just sticks only to one leg of the stator magnet.
From the other one the Alnico magnet just lets go and does not stick...!
Another thing was lucky for Mylow I heard from the Interview,
that the store was out of more magnets, so Mylow was forced to use these
gaps in his design.
This always helps as just an even spacing of magnets would never work
as in a completed circle the magnetic pattern changes dramatically, so it is good to have
larger gaps.
Regards, Stefan.
@ClaNZeR,
QuoteBut it will only take one replication that is successful and watch it take off. You know it will.
...
I just wanna see something SPIN !!!
Right on, buddy. The sooner that happens, the better.
Hi Stefan,
I thought I mentioned that about the iron stator earlier. Also, the gaps are not because of the store was out of mags but because the actual Howard Johnson rig in the photographs (not the patent) were there. That's probably part of the solution as well as the 4-cluster part as opposed to the rest of 3-cluster pairs.
I don't think it's appropriate to take interviews from the guy at this moment, giving the appearance we're over the hill. We're not. Sterling Allen has always acted like that, following his own interests (recall the story with Perendev) and that's to a great detriment with regard to the fight we're all fighting.
So far I can spot several red flags -- that story with the "death trets" and the brother who six days ago didn't have a shop to do it but now apparently suddenly does. Also, the reluctance of the guy to have someone with proven record from overunity.com come and see the device somewhere in a public place if he's so afraid to have anybody visit him (or at least show a steady shot of the device running for ten minutes without the blabber in the background) makes me suspicious. Don't forget, I know all about these threats and Stefan-Marinov-type problems -- Eugene Mallove was my very close friend and we were fighting together the good fight during the 'cold fusion' saga in the early nineties.
My second video, showing the stator moving past the magnetic gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiM75SFpQdA&layer_token=d34cb5be45a11e25
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 24, 2009, 04:36:38 PM
I am amazed how low the forces are of these combinations, as you can see here at about 9:30 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XVv9VvNOyQ
It is interesting that at around 9:30 min he shows how the runner magnet just sticks only to one leg of the stator magnet.
From the other one the Alnico magnet just lets go and does not stick...!
Ummm just re-watched that and how can that be?
The Stator has obviously got the S pole magnetised as the N Side face of the Rotor magnets attracts and sticks and at the same time the South side of the Stator repulses the bottom South Pole of the Rotor magnet but the Stator does not have a North pole opposite?.
If this is the case then he has more likely discovered a Stator design that will overcome the sticky spot in any Rotor Design as it will not pull back as such.
@billmehess,
Sorry for that comment window that appeared after I clicked on your vid. It published it without a warning but then I can't delete it. Is this some new feature on youtube? I saw on Mylow's too here and there such windows but thank God they won't be published just like that when you click on the video.
On your replication. I think one of the important thing is to have these gaps between the clusters of magnets which are seen in Howard Johnson's original photographs (not in his patents) and which Mylow has also adopted. Respectfully, I don't think so far your rig shows anything significant, including overcoming the gate. The entire set must be put together around the rim, when all the cooperation between all the magnets will be at work, and only then one can judge whether or not there's a tangential driving force as in Mylow. Partial build always shows what we see in your video.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 24, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Paul,
if it is running a few hours, it has already delivered much more than draining the magnets.
These Alnico and pure Iron magnets have a very low magnetic energy storage !
If it runs more than a few minutes it has proven already COP > 1.
In a previous post I offered the same thought, but also stated that we cannot know until we know how much friction is involved in his machine. I've seen machines require *less* than a milliwatt to spin at such low rpm's. That's why I asked several times if anyone had a rough idea how much power is requires to maintain that low rpm. So far you're the only person that has shown any interest in know such questions.
Also, I provided a very rough estimate that his iron stator PM has a few joules of energy. So we know his machine degausses the stator. The big question is does that PM energy loss equal the loss in mechanical friction.
Who knows, but I'd sure be far more at ease if mylow had a knowledgeable notable scientist do such measurements rather than an anti-academic person.
PL
Quote from: billmehess on March 24, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
My second video, showing the stator moving past the magnetic gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiM75SFpQdA&layer_token=d34cb5be45a11e25
Hi Bill
Excellent Rig, much better and much more stable. Something you will now be able to use for many different setups.
The configuration you have at the moment, is still hitting the infamous Sticky spot though and this is the failing point of every wheel design out there.
Mylow's main claim is by using the magnet shapes and pole configuration he is using, is that it over comes these sticky spots.
Your Rotor Magnets have N Pole on either the bottom or top and the S Pole on the opposite, but there is no Air gap between the Poles as in Mylo's Channel magnets.
With the Stator magnets you have N Pole or S Pole facing inwards towards the Rotor magnets and the opposite going to the center of the Rotor. On Mylo's he has it with the N Pole or South Pole facing sideways, again with a gap.
I think if using conventional magnets as you have there, you may be better off say using two magnets for each of the Rotors and seperate them with a Iron bracket that goes vertical and is screwed to your Rotor. So you then can have North say at the top and S down the bottom with a space.
The with the Stator Magnet do the same to introduce the airgap between the Poles.
Keep it coming
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 01:06:36 PM
BEP,
Calm down. The most common problem with people using FEMM is they do not understand that it is either a Planar or Axisymmetric problem. A lot of problems cannot be properly entered into FEMM. If you want, email me a problem you believe fails in FEMM.
These are simple issues taught in academic schools.
PL
I appreciate your concern for my calmness. Couldn't be any more calm without falling asleep.
The truth is FEMM is an excellent tool, when you know how to use it properly. While I have several letters I attach to my 'normal world' signature. Folks here are usually not impressed, for good reason, and I don't want to pummel people with them.
Simple issues, yes.
The Trinitron screens simply display the effects of the Lorenzian paths. If you understand the work of Lorenz it is a small matter to visualize magnetic fields without the ferrous materials distorting the fields. And they DO distort them. Why is this a concern for me? Because, when you have two or more fields interacting, without iron filings between them, the results can be wildly different than produced by FEMM. Also, FEMM is 2D. At a minimum I prefer to work in wireframe.
Cheers!
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
In a previous post I offered the same thought, but also stated that we cannot know until we know how much friction is involved in his machine. I've seen machines require *less* than a milliwatt to spin at such low rpm's. Also, I provided a very rough guesstimate that his iron stator PM has a few joules of energy. So we know his machine degausses the stator. The big question is does that PM energy loss equal the loss in mechanical friction.
Even if it does we are getting energy out on a continuous basis, energy which can be replaced any number of times with a powerful neo. It the point of principle that's important, surely.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
.... if mylow had a knowledgeable notable scientist do such measurements rather than an anti-academic person.
PL
Paul
Since you're so Gung-Ho on finding a notable scientist, may I suggest you just go "DO IT". Then you get your superbly qualified scientist to do the replication since it looks like you're not capable or unwilling to try?
The rest of us are happy and you will be too? It's not so difficult to understand. is it?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: BEP on March 24, 2009, 05:38:58 PMWhy is this a concern for me? Because, when you have two or more fields interacting, without iron filings between them, the results can be wildly different than produced by FEMM.
Only limited 3D problems can be entered in FEMM, in axisymmetric mode. If you try to use FEMM incorrectly, and get false answers, it's not the fault of the FEMM software. Enter the problem correctly, and you'll get the correct answers. So if you find an error, then email it to me and I'll be more than happy to take a look at it.
PL
@omnibus,
I'm curious about the replicators because I don't think mylow will replicate. In fact, I asked Mylow if he would create a second machine to prove he could replicate. Given his brother's talent with aluminium, Mylow would be the best replicator.
In the mean time, we can only hope the replicators achieve something within a month, given the wide variety of factors and sensitivities involved. If not within a month, this thing might die off.
I'm not sure where this project is going, but it's sure going all over the place.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
In a previous post I offered the same thought, but also stated that we cannot know until we know how much friction is involved in his machine. I've seen machines require *less* than a milliwatt to spin at such low rpm's. That's why I asked countless times any idea how much power it requires to maintain that low rpm. So far you're the only person has shown any interest in know such questions.
I think that the fact that this Rig of Mylo's is not actually that Friction free makes it even more intriguing.
He has a huge bearing which will cause major losses. He could replace that with a small RC bearing that would take the load and also reduce the friction hell of a lot.
He shows scuff marks on the aluminium shaft that drops into this bearing. This shows that the shaft is not lathed down at the correct angle as you would expect it to be above the bearing it slots in.
Yet he still shows enough energy to make that thing rotate. Just a couple of simple tweaks would improve the performance no end.
The weight and mass of the Rotor again is a big loss, but it seems to gain enough energy after a couple of interactions to push that weight along. Okay when it is spinning that is reduced as momentum has set in. But the energy to get that initial momentum with such small magnets makes you sit up and think.
I think alot of this is to do with the Stator/Armature magnet not pulling the Rotor magnets back personaly, which is even gonna be more of a pain finding a magnet to do that :)
Sent to the Michigan magnet supplier where allmagnetics.com gets their magnets
(they are out of stock of ACH79)
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: magnettool {at} aol.com ; magnetool {at} aol.com
Cc: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Mylow Magnet dimensions
Hi Mike,
Below is an image I pulled together that shows photos of the magnets and their dimensions.
http://peswiki.com/images/9/97/MylowMagnetMotor-rotor-stator-dimensions_jp40.jpg
I posted this at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Magnets_.28Overview.29
The referenced video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shoALtj4j9U
We would like to get magnets as close to these specs as possible.
For me, I would prefer to start out with an alnico magnet for the stator magnet, instead of iron, so I don't have to worry about demagnetization. If that doesn't work, then I'll want to try to source an iron magnet.
If we can replicate this effect, you can count on a high demand for these supplies, and we would be interested in entering into a commission relationship to help finance the promulgation of this technology.
Sincerely,
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Quote from: Grimer on March 24, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Even if it does we are getting energy out on a continuous basis, energy which can be replaced any number of times with a powerful neo. It the point of principle that's important, surely.
but when you put a strong neodym magnet on the weak one to remagnetize it : once it's remagnetized you will have to provide some energy to separate them. So, it's important !
Quote from: Grimer on March 24, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Even if it does we are getting energy out on a continuous basis, energy which can be replaced any number of times with a powerful neo. It the point of principle that's important, surely.
Mylow's made it clear the stator PM degausses. We cannot say it will work with neo's.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 05:50:57 PM
So if you find an error, then email it to me and I'll be more than happy to take a look at it.
Thanks!
I'll do that if I find one that can't be explained.
Quote from: mpavenir on March 24, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
but when you put a strong neodym magnet on the weak one to remagnetize it : once it's remagnetized you will have to provide some energy to separate them. So, it's important !
Will it take more energy to pull a neo away than the energy to drive a coil to remagneize it?
Will the Rotor rotate long enough to re-create that energy over say a 29 hour period when under load to get that energy back?
So a good point, but hey you got to have a device that will actually do that, before we can do that test :)
@CLaNZeR,
Can you please explain this more thoroughly:
QuoteThe Stator has obviously got the S pole magnetised as the N Side face of the Rotor magnets attracts and sticks and at the same time the South side of the Stator repulses the bottom South Pole of the Rotor magnet but the Stator does not have a North pole opposite?.
Also, we don't know how fast the rotor PM's are degaussing. We know the stator degausses, but IMO the rotor PM's also degauss, just at a much slower rate. Remember, there are what, 63 stator PM's. That's a lot of PM energy loss.
PL
Third video with spacing between magnet groups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk&layer_token=bd934eaa027308c8
This degaussing nonsense only clogs the discussion. What is needed now is to confirm that the rotor spins unattended as is shown in the videos.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
@CLaNZeR,
Can you please explain this more thoroughly:
In the Video at about 9:15
Mylo offers up the Rotor magnet with North Pole getting attracted to the obvious South Pole of the Stator/Armature magnet.
At the same time the bottom South Pole of the Rotor magnet gets pushed away in repulsion from the South Pole of the Stator/Armature magnet as expected.
He then moves the Rotor magnet over to the the other side of the Stator/Armature magnet which we expect to be a North Pole.
The bottom South Pole of the Rotor magnet does not get attracted as expected and the top North Pole does not get Repulsed as expected.
It is like it has hit a NULL spot.
Now we know the Alcimo magnets are weak, so is this because the North Pole of the Stator/Armature is not actually that strong and the Rotor magnets just simply cancel it out?
This would explain why the setup works, attraction pules the Rotor magnets into the stator but there is no sticky spot on the escape as it exits either the non-existent North Pole, or indeed the Weak Pole.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 24, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Will it take more energy to pull a neo away than the energy to drive a coil to remagneize it?
don't know at all... I would be inclined to believe that there's no significant difference !
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 24, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
So a good point, but hey you got to have a device that will actually do that, before we can do that test :)
Right, haha.. Someone asked Milow if he could replace his aluminium rotor with a wooden one ?
We french OU seekers are passionately keeping up with your researches.
Quote from: billmehess on March 24, 2009, 06:12:02 PM
Third video with spacing between magnet groups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk&layer_token=bd934eaa027308c8
Hi Bill
Another nice clear video.
But you have got the Rotor North and South Poles facing side ways now and hitting the sticky spot at both ends. You get past the first sticky spot because you push through it and start at a point beyond it. Then when it comes around 360 degree's you simply hit it again.
Keep going though mate, good fast work that end.
Cheers
Sean.
@billmehess, now seems the torque is greater. And still, the incomplete setup isn't telling. The whole cooperation of the complete setup of magnets is needed. At this point it's like you let go a stone from the top of the mountain (when you place the rotor at the starting position). When the foot of the mountain is reached the rotor hits back the hill which it cannot surmount (the beginning of your set of mags). This is a well-known situation everyone has experienced. There's something about having one cluster of mags having different number of pieces, existing in a complete set built around the rim.
Quote from: mpavenir on March 24, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Right, haha.. Someone asked Milow if he could replace his aluminium rotor with a wooden one ?
That was me :) we need to see if the Eddy currents are part of the effect or not.
it would do the same thing with a wooden disk.
the secrets are: week magnet and the counter weight(disk not at level)
ask yourself why the counter weight seem to weight more then all the magnet added together.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 06:10:07 PM
Also, we don't know how fast the rotor PM's are degaussing. We know the stator degausses, but IMO the rotor PM's also degauss, just at a much slower rate. Remember, there are what, 63 stator PM's. That's a lot of PM energy loss.
PL
But Paul if Mylo's Rig is the real deal then this then proves that magnets can be configured to do the work but also pay the price in this config. But paying the price would be the next hurdle to overcome.
Getting them to do the work is the exciting part, you got to admit that :)
Greetings CLaNZeR and all
The weekness of the iron magnet is interesting, When I did my wheel back in 1974 for a science project. I was using iron magnets as well. This got me thinking about a magnetic field test I did on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzXhOipIxE&feature=channel_page
The attraction seem to be redirected and that may be what is happening here. The natural attraction of the iron and the week magnetic field may be being used by the other magnets more for a redirect effect.
@ClaNZeR,
So, you think there’s an asymmetry between the attraction of the N pole of the rotor by the S pole of the stator (hindered by the bottom S pole of the rotor being repelled by the S of the stator) on the one hand and on the other hand, the repelling of the N pole of the rotor by the N pole of the stator (hindered by the bottom S pole of the rotor being attracted by the N of the stator), correct? If we only have one rotor and one stator magnet I don’t see how this can be accomplished. Don’t see it in the video either. Maybe after the whole rim is finished in the peculiar pattern we see in Mylow said asymmetry kicks in. Don’t see yet how exactly that may occur.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
This degaussing nonsense only clogs the discussion. What is needed now is to confirm that the rotor spins unattended as is shown in the videos.
I disagree. It should be one of the most important discussions here because the people that go test mylow's machine should measure and calculate the energy removed from the PM's and energy put into rotating the entire machine for the duration of time to see if it's > COP 1.
Why is that so vitally important? Because if it's not > COP 1, then we don't want to be irresponsible by having thousands of people around the world getting all excited and start spending their hard earned money and time building this.
PL
On the contrary, it is COP > 1 even if degaussing is real. This is not the time to discuss that, however.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 24, 2009, 06:35:18 PM
But Paul if Mylo's Rig is the real deal then this then proves that magnets can be configured to do the work but also pay the price in this config. But paying the price would be the next hurdle to overcome.
Getting them to do the work is the exciting part, you got to admit that :)
Yes, it would be nice to see the direct conversion of energy stored in a PM --> mechanical work. Hey, we could start degaussing the entire planet, LOL!!! ;D
PL
Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2009, 06:43:04 PMOn the contrary, it is COP > 1 even if degaussing is real. This is not the time to discuss that, however.
Are you the boss here? Stefan brought up the topic, so maybe you should tell him to stop it. :)
Please show your math because I don't see any data to show that. Sorry, I'm an "academic" scientist. ;)
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
.....we don't want to be irresponsible by having thousands of people around the world getting all excited and start spending their hard earned money and time building this.
PL
Er, you sounded like "we" meaning the majority of people here? But most people here disagree with you. So, you should rephrase and use, "i". No?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on March 24, 2009, 06:48:23 PM
Er, you sounded like "we" meaning the majority of people here? But most people here disagree with you. So, you should rephrase and use, "i". No?
cheers
chrisC
So you want millions of people spending their hard earned money and time building the machine after we find out it's not COP > 1? Hmmm. How sick is that!
I'll say it again, and please don't chop out half my statement, the testers should verify if mylow's machine is over COP 1.
PL
I spoke with Mylow's brother today as the two of them were driving to Mylow's place.
It turns out that his brother is a twin and sounds nearly identical to Mylow.
Mylow's brother graduated from the University of Illinois, and is an engineer, so he is ideal to help Mylow out with some of the particulars involved here.
I'll call him Mylobro, for short, to preserve his identity for now.
Mylobro has not yet seen the motor in person. He's only seen the YouTube videos.
"I was very skeptical," he said, about when Mylow first told him about what he had done. But there were the videos and they were quite convincing.
He had as much anticipation in his voice as a child five miles away from Disneyland. It's one thing to see it on video. It's another to see it in person. "I think he [may have] stumbled onto the holy grail."
The motor was disassembled two days ago, so they will need to reassemble it first.
Mylobro has a camera and instruments to document the process. He said he would be uploading those to YouTube. He also has access to a Gauss meter, an impact gauge, and an infetrometer (sp?) -- a special video camera that can record fluxing magnetic fields in real time.
He is very analytical, and will be showing the motor from all key angles, to satisfy the skeptic.
He will be talking to some people at the University about getting additional scientific corroboration.
I also asked him about if he could make more aluminum rotor discs and bearing assemblies. He said that he could, through ___ (? I didn't catch that). I asked him to get us some pricing and lead times so we could send him some orders from those who might not be able to do that stuff themselves.
He said that the rotor was cut out of a stock of sheet panel, (? I may have those words jumbled); aircraft aluminum, high grade. He cut it on a band saw, then put it on a lathe with a new blade to get the ~18-inch diameter.
On the bearing assembly, he bore out a hole from an aluminum cylinder, using a programmable CNC, and placed the bearings inside.
They hung up when they arrived at Mylow's place. He said he would call back later.
One of these days, Mylow is going to squeeze in some sleep. He said he stayed up last night again.
Yesterday when I called him, I thought I woke him up from a nap in the afternoon, his voice was so groggy, but he was in line at a bank.
Take care of yourself, Mylow.
Sterling
Quote from: AB Hammer on March 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PM
Greetings CLaNZeR and all
The weekness of the iron magnet is interesting, When I did my wheel back in 1974 for a science project. I was using iron magnets as well. This got me thinking about a magnetic field test I did on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzXhOipIxE&feature=channel_page
The attraction seem to be redirected and that may be what is happening here. The natural attraction of the iron and the week magnetic field may be being used by the other magnets more for a redirect effect.
Hi Alan,
Hmm,
very strange, the ball does stick only to the iron bar, if both are located over the magnets under the glas table ? Very strange..
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 24, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
So you want millions of people spending their hard earned money and time building the machine after we find out it's not COP > 1? Hmmm. How sick is that!
I'll say it again, and please don't chop out half my statement. The testers should verify if mylow's machine is over COP 1.
PL
Paul,
Actually, I think most people here would rather you don't post anything unless it is relevant. Maybe you can go back to your academic ivory tower and work out all the detailed math. and physics and then come back to our practical discussions when at least one other person has successfully repeated myLow's experiment. then perhaps you can contribute your far fetching math. and academic records. Fair?
cheers
chrisC
Sounds like sterlinga has all the ducks in a row!!
What the hell are we going to complain about now??
Chet
@ramset,
QuoteWhat the hell are we going to complain about now??
So, we're all set. Is that what you imply? No, we're not. We're as much at the beginning as ever, if this is a charade, Mylobro real or otherwise. No one (even his own bro) has seen the motor much less witnessed it spinning on its own. No replicas yet. Hope that'll change soon but as of today @sterlinga's input is less than reassuring, as has always been.
Omnibus
I for one greatly appreciate sterlinga and his efforts [no matter what comes of this]
As for Mylo and his open source agenda ,well ya gotta love the man
Chet
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know if I can buy this replication in kit form?
Regards,
Dale.
Hi Omnibus,
after listening to the Interview and rewatching several videos of MyLOW
I am pretty optimistic, that this is the real deal and no fake.
MyLOW is a very big fan of Howard Johnson and he wants to give all the credit to the late passed away Howard Johnson,
which he sees as his teacher.
By the way, this man was also my inspiration in the 1980s when I first learned about magnet motors
and I drove to the local patent office over here in Berlin to get the print copies of this Howard Johnson
banana motor patent...
I guess MyLOW was just very lucky,
that he had purchased just these weak AlNiCo and Iron magnets and that no more magnets were
available, so he had to use larger gaps, which benefit and help the design work at all.
I am going to rewatch the Energy from the Vaccuum movie about Howard Johnson now...
The rotor mag is top north bottom south on a horizontal plane. The stator magnet is front north, back south on a vertical plane. The way these magnets are placed I think this is working at about 60% repulsion, 40% attraction since only the bottom end of the north front stator is near the bottom of the rotor south and the same for the south back side of the stator versus the north of the rotor.
Also, I do not think the aluminum has anything to do with this except for the fact that it provides a structure for the rotors as if they were suspended in open space so the south of the rotor magnet while being supported or stuck to the aluminum has full liberty to express its full field without any hindrance. If you imagined the rotor/stator relationship in suspended 3D, the actual motion will be something like a differential gear with four force fields that always turn the axle in the same direction.
I am convinced if the stator is tilted rightwards 25 to 45 degrees, the wheel will turn faster because this will increase the repulsion to 80-90% and attraction to 10-20%.
Mylow's interview was great. When he explained how he got up to the fourth magnet set, it was almost exactly as I had figured. lol
Added: What I mean by axle effect is what is happening inside the mutual cavities.
i am not conviced of his new video either.
this is too easy to fake and the camera shoots are not helping.
is it me or it slow down each time the camera is showing the front of the disk, and speed up after the camera move in to show the magnets only ?
Quote from: wattsup on March 24, 2009, 07:59:29 PM
. The stator magnet is front north, back south on a vertical plane.
wattsup, how can that be when the north pole sticks to the front near side of the stator?
Ron
Quote from: TheNOP on March 24, 2009, 08:51:11 PM
i am not conviced of his new video either.
this is too easy to fake and the camera shoots are not helping.
is it me or it slow down each time the camera is showing the front of the disk, and speed up after the camera move in to show the magnets only ?
There is one video, where he shows his room for several 10 seconds and in the background the motor
is running and running and it does seem to have a stable RPM...
Quote from: billmehess on March 24, 2009, 06:12:02 PM
Third video with spacing between magnet groups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk&layer_token=bd934eaa027308c8
Hi Bill, great work!
http://www.anomalies.net/archive/Keely-Net/Energy/TOMIFLAT.ASC
Os
For those still seeking Alnico mags for replication attempts:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm (http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm)
Quote from: slipstream on March 24, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
For those still seeking Alnico mags for replication attempts:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm (http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm)
Cool, they're not far from where I live. If possible, post the price quote.
PL
I asked for 2 quotes and only had one reply. for;
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
The HS170 are $8.62 each plus freight charges from Colorado. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Edith JohnsonAll Magnetics, Inc.2831 Via MartensAnaheim, CA 92806 Ph: 714-632-1754/Fx: 714-632-1757www.allmagnetics.com
I figure the set is the closest he has come to so far.
I also asked supermagnetman to get me a quote (very nice guy) nothing yet.
Hi guys,
I just saw an interesting quote on the allmagnetics page, go to their page on magnetization patterns and look at the second paragraph: http://www.allmagnetics.com/polepatterns.htm
Quote: "Non-oriented (isotropic): Has equal magnetic properties in all directions. During the manufacturing process the magnet is not exposed to a magnetic field. This material can be magnetized in any magnetization pattern. This material is weaker than oriented materials. With non-oriented material, multiple pole magnetization flux bends inside the magnet making it strong on one side only."
This is cool 8) even if it is weaker, having an almost assymetrically magnetized magnet would be useful.
Quote from: magpie on March 24, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
Hi guys,
I just saw an interesting quote on the allmagnetics page, go to their page on magnetization patterns and look at the second paragraph: http://www.allmagnetics.com/polepatterns.htm
Quote: "Non-oriented (isotropic): Has equal magnetic properties in all directions. During the manufacturing process the magnet is not exposed to a magnetic field. This material can be magnetized in any magnetization pattern. This material is weaker than oriented materials. With non-oriented material, multiple pole magnetization flux bends inside the magnet making it strong on one side only."
This is cool 8) even if it is weaker, having an almost assymetrically magnetized magnet would be useful.
Yes I picked up some today for $3 each at harbor freight.
http://www.thefind.com/office/browse-arrow-magnetic-welding-holder-holds
Hi Guys:
I'm going to try this thing with regular magnets. The magnets in the last picture are laying down on their sides but I will glue them upright to the inner wall of the aluminum disc. The horseshoe magnet will be glued to the underside of the stator frame. Got to get some glue tomorrow.
This is probably a waste of time, but fun anyway!!!
Regards
Vince
Stock Prices on the Chicago Magnetile Exchange just tripled during the day. Hmmmmmmmm. lol
No, don't look it up. lol
@i_ron
If you are referring to the compass video when he stuck the rotor to the stator saying north/north, that was wrong. He was in a rush because he only had a few seconds left for the video maximum allowable time. What a guy. The top rotor north stuck to the stator south and that's why the bottom rotor south swung toward the other side being north. lol
But all that does not matter because once you have all the pieces, playing with the various effects will be half the fun.
I should like to point out a possible problem for Mylow Magnetic Motor (MMM) builders.
Mylow has established the the stator magnet slowly looses strength with time.
Now is may be that the rotor magnets slowly gain strength with time. Steorn has reported such a paradoxical gain in strength, though being a commercial organisation they are naturally keeping their cards close to their chest and have not said which set of magnets gained in strength.
In the Mylow motor there are many rotor magnets so it may take time for a gain in strength to manifest itself. But just as loss in strength of the stator leads to failure of the motor so also gain in strength of the rotor magnets may lead to failure.
I believe that it is the difference between stator and rotor magnets which will govern the success of the rotor. Moreover, it may not be the first order difference but the second order difference which governs, in short the equivalent of magnetic "temperature" rather than magnetic "pressure".
Like the ruins that "Cromwell knocked about a bit" both Mylow's and Alsetalokin's rotor magnets have unknown historys.
Just as with a heat engine it is a potential difference which governs performance, a Stirling runs as successfully on an ice cube as on a hot coffee for example, so with the MMM it may be the first or second order difference in magnetic potential between stator and rotor which is the key to success.
Hi Stefan,
Indeed, Howard Johnson had been the inspiration for most of us. However, what really convinced me of the reality of “energy from nothing†(meaning energy appearing only due to a created opportunity allowing a force to induce displacement and not energy coming from a pre-existing energy reservoir) was the magnetic propulsor. Discontinuous production of “energy from nothing†(excess energy) for me now is a given â€" proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. How to produce excess energy continuously (a purely engineering problem) is still unresolved, unfortunately.
As I mentioned earlier, if one needs illustration, this is like an Escher picture. What looks initially to be the bottom always further turns out to be the top. This is some kind of a Hegel’s dialectics whereby the action always creates its own rejection.
The best illustration of this so far, I think, is Torbay’s idea â€" not demonstrated yet in flesh and blood, again, only due to purely engineering difficulties.
In the present case it seems we are encountering something similar (all these ideas have a common basis) but while Mylow’s is easier to manufacture compared to Torbay’s, it seems harder to understand. Undoubtedly, here again there must be some asymmetry, elusive as ever, that has to be created continuously, so that it would ensure the tendency of the rotor, ever chasing equilibrium, to never achieve it. What is the interplay of the fields of the magnets in their peculiar arrangement by Mylow that ensures this asymmetry is still unclear to me. @CLaNZeR hinted at some discovery Mylow has unwittingly made of a magnetic neutral zone with no interaction but I still don’t see it. Would be good if Mylow can show us some basic measurements of the magnetic induction along the whole pattern of magnets but he doesn’t seem to like to cooperate in this most important direction of study. This we’ll have to find out ourselves by trial and error, if achieving such desirable asymmetric profile of the field is at all possible. Do you remember when we were discussing Steorn’s contraption? I think we’re facing here a similar situation.
So the brother is an engineer, ah this story gets more interesting as time goes by.
Well Time will tell.
Quote from: Grimer on March 24, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
I should like to point out a possible problem for Mylow Magnetic Motor (MMM) builders.
Mylow has established the the stator magnet slowly looses strength with time.
Now is may be that the rotor magnets slowly gain strength with time. Steorn has reported such a paradoxical gain in strength, though being a commercial organisation they are naturally keeping their cards close to their chest and have not said which set of magnets gained in strength.
In the Mylow motor there are many rotor magnets so it may take time for a gain in strength to manifest itself. But just as loss in strength of the stator leads to failure of the motor so also gain in strength of the rotor magnets may lead to failure.
I believe that it is the difference between stator and rotor magnets which will govern the success of the rotor. Moreover, it may not be the first order difference but the second order difference which governs, in short the equivalent of magnetic "temperature" rather than magnetic "pressure".
Like the ruins that "Cromwell knocked about a bit" both Mylow's and Alsetalokin's rotor magnets have unknown historys.
Just as with a heat engine it is a potential difference which governs performance, a Stirling runs as successfully on an ice cube as on a hot coffee for example, so with the MMM it may be the first or second order difference in magnetic potential between stator and rotor which is the key to success.
I believe I now understand where the explosive acceleration came from that Alsetalokin showed with the WhipMag.
When carrying out stress-strain determinations on materials such as concrete one eventually arrives at at point where the strain energy released by the test machine is greater than the capacity of the concrete to absorb. This leads to a positive feedback loop and the explosive failure of the concrete and prevents one following the concrete stress-strain curve down its descending branch. The testing deficiency can be overcome by employing a very stiff test machine.
We did this with the BRS 1000 ton Amsler by shunting most of the load through huge concrete blocks on either side of the test specimen (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Amsler-1.jpg) so that the Amsler was far stiffer than the negative slope of the specimen stress-strain curve.
Now in Alsetalokin's case think of the stator field as the test machine and the rotor field as the specimen. A point is reached, as in the concrete case, where the stator field strain energy is greater than the rotor fields capacity to absorb it. This will lead to positive feedback and the violent acceleration seen in Al's video. This unexpected phenomenon is evidence that the video is genuine (pace Omnibus). It must have been a hell of a shock to Al when it happened - which may explain his subsequent anally retentive attitude. What a contrast to Mylow's.
An independent confirmation?
So far looks good?
sparkyrocky12131963 (35 minutes ago)
"hi to all that are reading this i had the pleasure of seeing first hand mylows
working howard johnson motor and i have to say i was very impressed with this my sincere thanks goes to mylow for letting me see this machine. there are some very interesting phenonenom here at work. this this the best and only working HJ model i have seen that past 25 years i have been fallowing this.
here is a clean not polluting device. bravo bravo mlyow. as an engineer in electricity i am overwelmed with this."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI&feature=channel_page
Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2009, 10:55:46 PM
Hi Stefan,
Indeed, Howard Johnson had been the inspiration for most of us. However, what really convinced me of the reality of “energy from nothing†(meaning energy appearing only due to a created opportunity allowing a force to induce displacement and not energy coming from a pre-existing energy reservoir) ...
I can't agree with that viewpoint of "energy from nothing". The energy comes from the ambient magnetic potential (pressure) differentials - from magnetic strain energy. It's not for nothing that the familiar line of force pattern around a bar magnet is the same as the flow pattern of a source and a sink at the bottom of a enormously deep ocean. Positive and negative magnetic potentials are merely offset from that ambient potential just as hot and cold are offsets from ambient temperature.
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on March 24, 2009, 11:28:52 PM
An independent confirmation?
So far looks good?
sparkyrocky12131963 (35 minutes ago)
"hi to all that are reading this i had the pleasure of seeing first hand mylows
working howard johnson motor and i have to say i was very impressed with this my sincere thanks goes to mylow for letting me see this machine. there are some very interesting phenonenom here at work. this this the best and only working HJ model i have seen that past 25 years i have been fallowing this.
here is a clean not polluting device. bravo bravo mlyow. as an engineer in electricity i am overwelmed with this."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI&feature=channel_page
That's his twin brother, presumably. Same birthday - 13th December 1963
@Grimer,
Let's not discuss this here. I have to give you some papers I've written and there's proof energy indeed can come "out of nothing", that is, out of no pre-existing energy source, only due to the opportunity created for a force to induce displacement. We'll have to postpone the discussion of this for some other time, however. This thread has a concrete practical goal, pretty serious, at that and theoretical discussions are pertinent only if they serve that concrete practical goal, not theorizing in principle.
Quote from: Grimer on March 24, 2009, 11:54:14 PM
That's his twin brother, presumably. Same birthday - 13th December 1963
There aren't any posts from sparkyrocky12131963, identifying him self as his brother. If anyhting it looks as an independent person?
"sparkyrocky12131963 (12 hours ago)
i am willing to invest into your project and if you need financial aid please let me know as i feel that this will revolutionize
the world of free energy.
i saw your video and was very impressed with your sincerety and honesty
do not let nay sayer and defunkers let you down. again i am willing to invest into your endeaver.
sparkyrocky12131963 (12 hours ago)
this is the greatest discovery since the wheel was invented. Howard Johnson
left a clue and you have discovered it
well done applause applause.
ancore ancore
sparkyrocky12131963 (12 hours ago)
you have found the holy grail of the electron spin,my friend
you are the now in wizardry
the old master is smilling in heaven
upon you. the secrete have been reveled with your efforts and sweat.
good luck and may god bless you as you continue your path to freedom from the oil oppressors."
Anyway, not to go off on tangents, it would be great to have an independent confirm.
Thanks.
Hopefully all magnetics would be able to provide the ACH79 and HS3702 for replication.
http://magnets-alnico.com/catalog/PMM%20Catalog.pdf
@mikestocks2006,
Not so sure he isn't his twin brother. Take a look at his profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/sparkyrocky12131963
Name: Tony
ahhhhh hummmmm
Country: United States
Occupation: Electrical engineer
Schools: University of illinois
Companies: comcast
Interests and Hobbies: computers/science
Movies and Shows: forbidden planet close encounters star wars
Music: disco funk pop music
Books: planet earth
Aside from birth date coincidence w/ Mylow (expected of a twin), University of Illinois and Electrical engineer also coincides w/ the description of Mylow's twin by Sterling Allan. If so, the "opinions" of that fellow about his twin brother's work seem pretty tacky, don't you think? Now we shall wait to hear what Mylow's cousins, nephews, aunts and uncles have to say about his rig being the greatest discovery since the fire, let alone the wheel.There's enough suspicion floating around here to fuel it further with discovering "independent" fellows such as that poor sparkyrocky.
Hi my name is Giga i was able to speak with Mylow today and he is very excited about all the feed back he is geting we own and run a radio based here in chicago and also do Video productions
i asked on youtube for a radio/video interview in hopes we get it. we dont normaly get into these kinds of projects becuase we deal with music and videos. but after reading most of his comment and viewing his videos from the early stages till recent updates i think we should support his clams and gather any info for the sake of free energy in hopes that we have truly found the dimond in a sea of sand.
Our radio is www.Paseoradio.com
i will get on here tomarrow and post any updates we get
@Giga,
That's great news. Can you convince him instead of coming to your studios to have him invite you somewhere, if not at his place, where you can videotape the motor spinning on its own for a reasonable period of, say, one hour and then post it on Google video (I think thay allow longer videos than youtube, if I'm not mistaken)? Professional videoing of this is an unexpected God sent opportunity for everyone here to get closer to being convinced in the reality of the claims regarding this machine.
thats our goal to maybe get this interview at his place with motor working in background or even just one of our crew members next to it speaking to everyone about it in case he dont want to be on camera.
we have our fingers crossed and we will keep you up to date.
wish us luck
Can't wait to see this. Will be glued to the monitor. Good luck to all of you, including Mylow and let's hope tomorrow will bring the closure to this long search for the Holy Grail of infinite energy.
That would be great to video his machine for as long as possible. Lets prove or disprove this A.S.A.P., please! That's the responsible thing to do. Once it's proved, then we can get the entire world excited in an uproar.
PL
I spoke with Mylow and his brother (Mylowbro).
They got the motor reassembled.
We talked just after they got it running at around 8:15 pm Central time
It was spinning slowly, and slowing down.
It was spinning at 8.5 rpm (~7 sec / rotation) when we first counted the revolutions.
It ran for about 3.5 minutes before coming to a stop..
While that might not sound impressive, I asked if it accelerated when it first started, and Mylow said it did.
The deceleration was in the equilibrium speed, which diminished as the iron magnet degaussed.
Before putting the stator magnet on the stator holder, Mylow said it was so weak it would not even hold up any steel. He said the two stator magnets wouldn't even stick to each other.
What this demonstrates in my opinion, is that
- the motor has a wide window of operation
- the rotation speed is proportional to the strength of the magnet.
Mylobro said he was astonished to see something that defied everything he had learned in school about magnetism.
They were planning on shooting a video and uploading it.
I encouraged Mylow to get some sleep.
Sterling
Hi everyone,
I have collected the dimensions (in inches) of the magnets from the videos, (as best I could) and was able to source some magnets with nearly identical physical dimensions. I included some edited images based on stills from MYLOW's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shoALtj4j9U&feature=channel
Rotor "Channel" Magnet
Height .8125"
Depth .4375
Channel Height .5"
Channel Depth .25"
Width .375"
Stator "Horseshoe" Magnet
Height 1.125"
Depth .625"
Width .8125"
Channel Height .5625"
The closest magnet equivalent matches (of physical dimensions) I could find were:
Rotor "Channel" Magnet Part # ACH79 from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
Stator "Horseshoe" Magnet Part # HS811N from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
I have a couple of videos I uploaded just checking what a few neo's would do in the HJ-Mylow arrangment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl4LFTI2QNk&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW7Y6iFrcY&feature=channel
For a quick summary, It would not move nicely. Very sticky throughout the middle and strong at each end of the neo's attached to the wheel.
Hi all,
I looked once again the drawings of the HJ patent US4151431 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=4sIsAAAAEBAJ&dq=4151431) and noticed that figure "FIG. 9" shows a configuration with stator INSIDE the rotor. Figures "FIG. 5", "FIG. 6" and "FIG 7" shows linear "rotor" - not curved to any direction.
I guess that the configuration of placing stator magnet(s) INSIDE the rotor magnets is a key issue in here. For example this picture: http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Ani-rotar-sm.gif shows a conventional motor design with rotor inside the stator. I guess thÃs "conventional design" is not a construction that Howard Johnson intended his motor to have?
Any opinions on that?
Quote from: canam101 on March 25, 2009, 06:58:07 AM
I hope it's not his brother, because all of those over-the-top comments make the whole thing sound like a practical joke.
I hope too.
But I think there are some malicious people on the internet, twisted enough to usurp an identity in order to put a spoke in our wheel.
Anyway, I would hardly consider his brother to be an "independant person" (no offense to him). What we need is a regular and hands-on member from this forum.
May I recommend that when you guys do any mock up tests of the Mylow system rotor/stator, that you keep in mind to reproduce the main characteristic which is north-cavity-south. Anything else will simply make standard smotting and is not indicative of the technique.
Quote from: AB Hammer on March 25, 2009, 08:21:07 AM
carbonc_cc
I think I heard a voice in the background. Daddy can I have my bicycle back? :'(
Sorry I couldn't resist.
;D
Yea, good thing she out-growed this bike.
I was intrested in the plastic rim and the dimeter of the wheel.
I did try and mimic Mylows configuration (with the resources I had). In my second video, I aligned the mags with N facing up and S facing down and had my rotor mag sideways where N was Pointing left/ S pointing right. I approached the mags on the wheel with the rotor hitting the middle of the stator mags so that the poles interfered.
N N N (Stator North) -------> Wheel Movement
(Rotor North) {N S} (Rotor South)
S S S (Stator South) -------> Wheel Movement
The neo's I believe are just way too strong for the small diameter wheel I was using.
[I posted this last night and forgot to save it down.]
I spoke with Mylow and his brother (Mylowbro).
They got the motor reassembled.
I phoned in just after they got it running.
It was spinning slowly, and slowing down.
It was spinning at 8.5 rpm (~7 sec / rotation)
It ran for 3.5 minutes.
While that might not sound impressive, I asked if it accelerated when it first started, and Mylow said it did.
The deceleration was in the equilibrium speed, which diminished as the magnet degaussed.
Before putting the stator magnet on the stator holder, Mylow said it was so weak it would not even hold up any steel.
What this demonstrates in my opinion, is that
- the motor has a wide window of operation
- the rotation speed is proportional to the strength of the magnet.
Mylobro said he was astonished to see something that defied everything he had learned in school about magnetism.
They were planning on shooting a video and uploading it.
I encouraged Mylow to get some sleep.
Sterling
Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator and The Honoured Anonymous Readers of This The Honourable OU-Forum !
Might I kindly most briefly comment to i.e. socalled "Mechanically acting Permanentes Magnetes Selfrunners" Devices :
##The importance of interacting Forces when as H-Magnetical-Forces in e.g. 2 moving Objects interacting "Rotors"........the Mythical Classical Mechanics 3-moving-Objects Situation....etc !
##H-Magnetical Force as defined and interpreted per Classical Magneto-Statics , per ElectroDynamics and per the notorious Relativistical Theories.........(and per Else of still not realized Theories....) !
##YES,the importance about the socalled H-Fields´s-Gradientes.....!
##YES,the wellknown Commercial Electro-Technical Magnetical Lifter with "magnetical on-off-switch"
to lift/move iron/steel-objects.......!
##the socalled Integral of ( Force x Way ).........!
WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and fruitfull experimental and theoretical Results and Benefits of Your hardlabored Doings !
And my kind Thanks about Your All important interesting Participations in and Supportings to
The Honourable Course of OU !
Quote from: Olli P Taina on March 25, 2009, 07:37:41 AM
I looked once again the drawings of the HJ patent US4151431 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=4sIsAAAAEBAJ&dq=4151431) and noticed that figure "FIG. 9" shows a configuration with stator INSIDE the rotor. Figures "FIG. 5", "FIG. 6" and "FIG 7" shows linear "rotor" - not curved to any direction.
I guess that the configuration of placing stator magnet(s) INSIDE the rotor magnets is a key issue in here. For example this picture: http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Ani-rotar-sm.gif shows a conventional motor design with rotor inside the stator.
This means also that the animation "Ani-rotar-sm.gif" on page http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW's_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson's_Design is incorrect and misleading. The outer rim with three banana-shaped magnets should rotate and the inner rim stay stationary. Right?
Don't forget...there are some 'banana' shaped magnets inside hard disk drives.
see: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/magnet%20motor/harddrive%20magnet1.jpg
As to the possibility that Mylow and Mylowbro are one and the same when it comes to Mylowbro's visit yesterday to Mylow's apartment, I can say this:
When I was talking to them on the phone, there were many times that I heard both of them talking at the same time: one on the phone, and one in the background. There were definitely two people present with a very similar voice.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
As to the possibility that Mylow and Mylowbro are one and the same when it comes to Mylowbro's visit yesterday to Mylow's apartment, I can say this:
When I was talking to them on the phone, there were many times that I heard both of them talking at the same time: one on the phone, and one in the background. There were definitely two people present with a very similar voice.
One thing I find odd, is the poor spelling and grammar of both Mylow and 'Mylowbro' are almost identical on Youtube's comment section of Mylow's last movie. For a college educated man, one would think Mylowbro's command of the English language would be better.
Quote from: pinestone on March 25, 2009, 11:13:14 AM
One thing I find odd, is the poor spelling and grammar of both Mylow and 'Mylowbro' are almost identical on Youtube's comment section of Mylow's last movie. For a college educated man, one would think Mylowbro's command of the English language would be better.
Agreed, but if you look back this has been a feature of several scams in the past. What is most
disconcerting though is the 'originator and champion' of this present bubbles close connection to
the grear, cradhock, beardin, (sp deliberate) crowd and should we include PL with his over 100 posts
flip floping back and forth?
Ron
Quote from: pinestone on March 25, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
Don't forget...there are some 'banana' shaped magnets inside hard disk drives.
see: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/magnet%20motor/harddrive%20magnet1.jpg
The HDs that I have dismantled have had two magnets glued together on what seems
to be mumetal. They were magnetised N-S on top and S-N underneath. It would pay
to check that the magnetisation of the banana shaped magnet is straightforward.
Paul.
My 2 cents, and probably worth far less.
If this is determined to be a legitimate motor, my guess to the findings will be as stated earlier, the demagnetizing is a key role. OU is debatable. If it is a key role, could one use an electro magnet that pulses accordingly to create the effect of a larger repel than pull, or vice versa, again, like stated earlier?
Hopefully it is determined that this "technology" is valid, and using a magnets degaussing can be used could be very crucial in future developments.
Like so many have pointed out, why the difficulty to show the entire wheel instead of a tight close up when the wheel starts??
Not that it matters much and I may be incorrect, but his watch band appears to be a Movado. ( just trying to make heads or tails of anything seen in the videos.)
cam
Quote from: i_ron on March 25, 2009, 11:28:49 AM
Agreed, but if you look back this has been a feature of several scams in the past. What is most
disconcerting though is the 'originator and champion' of this present bubbles close connection to
the grear, cradhock, beardin, (sp deliberate) crowd and should we include PL with his over 100 posts
flip floping back and forth?
Ron
We can only speculate for now. Until a long-running, full view video is posted by Mylow, or confirmation by an unrelated party is made, the 'scam-alert' flag must be raised by anyone with an ounce of sense. Hopeful is one thing, but blind acceptance is another thing.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 25, 2009, 11:15:21 AM
Sterling, Mylow, and Mylowbro,
I sure hope you're trying your best to find the truth if the mylow machine is legit in that it can self-run without degaussing the magnets, ASAP!
There's a very good reason for this. The world may only have ears for crying wolf one time!
PL
If this is an attempt to discredit "free energy" then it is bound to be exposed. It would indicate that the people who were making such an attempt were extremely worried that there might be something in it, else why bother. Such an elaborate fraud would only encourage free energy engineers to redouble their efforts and thereby frustrate the fraudsters.
Frankly, I don't imagine people who want to discredit free energy are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot.
And as stated more than once by Omnibus.etc, gradual degaussing of the magnets is not a problem.
It's probably an essential part of the success.
The objective verification of a seem to with regards to a stable rpm could be as simple as looking at the device. If it doesn't seem to be slowing or speeding up then its stability is verified.
If a discerning eye and mind can't track the rpm then proper verification can only be accomplished with the appropriate instrumentation.
Regards,
Bessler007 (http://www.bessler007.blogspot.com)
Cmdr, MIB
I wonder, for what it is worth, if the orientation of the magnets are such that the sticky spot is reduced due to the null field point alignment of the rotor magnets to the lower edge of the stator magnet? Also the induced spin of the fields and how they are interacting I am sure plays a part.
I am thinking if the above is the case the stronger NEO's may need more space, but a test of this should be completed.
I would like to know if the weight of the parts is the same as the assembled unit. I am wondering if the magnetic fields and the Aluminum are altering the local gravity at all.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 02:27:14 AM
What this demonstrates in my opinion, is that
- the rotation speed is proportional to the strength of the magnet.
Mylobro said he was astonished to see something that defied everything
he had learned in school about magnetism.
Sterling
Most scientists would conclude that this is a very adequate proof level validity
that the energy to run the motor is functionally linked to the field strength
of the drive magnet. In other words magnetic energy from the magnet is being
used to run the motor - which would not then be OU.
But we can't tell whether there may not be other sources of energy running the motor
as well. Only, that other energy would probably be masked by energy from the discharging
magnet. The people that recommend keeping the aluminum disk and measuring it's
temperature are seeing and understanding this.
In addition to qualitative proofs there are also quantitative ones. If we admit that the
size and mass of the drive magnet is similar to a standard "C" size battery, then we
would not be far off estimating that the energy storage density of the magnet and
a C cell carbon composite battery may be similar. I would not see any problem having
a high bearing efficiency unloaded motor run for 12 hours from a standard "C" cell.
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If bill's motor had an aluminum disk rather than a wood one, one could see that increasing the
rotational momentum and giving the disk a "spin" would allow multiple turns of the
neo populated rotor. The key then is whether there is any energy gain around one turn
of the rotor because if the sticky spot results in a loss then the wheel is only going to
slow down over time. One could have the drive magnet get less powerful and turning would
continue but eventually the rotor would slow down to a stop as the drive magnet discharged.
The key to this is to finding whether other sources of energy are helping the rotor to spin,
and forcing the motor to run while not discharging the magnet.
So one needs to be careful that the common understanding of what is happening does not
override finding the scientifically significant results.
:S:MarkSCoffman
If someone has alot of hard drive magnets stack a set of 6 or 7 of them for the stator and use the other ones for a rotor mags, only If powerful magnet work in this situation, they may be too powerful and not the right shape.
We need verification on MyLows creation. ( Open mind with Open Source )
Regarding my previous post of Alternative #1, I have done some tests with neos and iron stock metal and it will not be good as drawn simply because each magnet will have it opposite polarity immediately after it which will then be on the wrong side.
This will not work with only one magnet or with two magnets separated by iron. But do this. Take a neo and stick a long bolt on the north and a bolt on the south. Then use your compass to see what happens at the bolt ends. lol That's it. As shown in my next drawing that will now be my build spec. One neo magnet per rotor or stator should give about the same result and not be subjected to field losses. The field loss is what is concerning me the most. Also, with neos embedded into the iron stock, I imagine the distance between the rotor and stator will still have to be greater then what Mylow requires given his very weak magnets.
Now as for Mylow's wheel slowing down and not turning at the same revolution, etc., etc., guys please cut it out already. We clearly have seen with a forum member mapping of the rotor magnet degrees that there is nothing in Mylows' build that could be construed as PERFECTLY SYMMETRIC. So if the build is not symmetric, then why do you expect its actual revolutions to be any more symmetric. Them magnets are not stupid. They react to what there is and not what you wish there is. lol
As for all your paranoia you are seeing in every word, action, movement, now even with his brother, this is totally disingenuous and actually rather insulting to our intelligence. Some of you guys should simply take a break if you have nothing more then this low level blah-blah that is taking up posts in this thread for nothing. Geez. Sorry for being so blunt but there is a limit.
@sterlinga
Sterling,
what's the status of the project? Is today a vacation day for the M-Brothers to recuperate?
Atrophy is starting to kick in....need some fresh blood!
I don't think degaussing being the main process that makes the motor spin. Don't forget the 4-magnet cluster which has been stated as essential (according to Mylow, the motor dosen't work otherwise). I don't see any logical correlation between this odd cluster and the degaussing effect.
Joel Garbon, Jeane Manning and myself are going to be giving three presentations in the San Francisco, Silicon Valley areas.
The audiences will be mainly ivy leaguers. The topic is "Breakthrough Power - Embracing the New Energy Frontier"
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Events:Breakthrough_Power_March_30_-_April_2%2C_2009
It would be so sweet if we could have a working replica of the Mylow magnet motor to plunk down on the table and have running during the duration of the presentation. They could form a line and go and look at it one at a time. That certainly would turn some heads.
I was hoping we at PES Network would be able to get one built in time, but with the busy schedule of Doug Furr, and the difficulty in sourcing the rotor magnets, we probably won't have something for less than 10 days from now. (Have any of you found rotor channel magnets yet?)
Perhaps one of you who gets a working replica might be willing to ship it off to meet us in California.
Its time for breakthrough free energy to shine. Don't you think?
Sterling
Don't jump the gun @sterlinga. With this you're doing more harm than good to the free energy movement. Nothing is still available to show. Mylow's machine is nowhere near confirmed at this point. What's the point of beating the drums to ostracize even further those ivy leaguers you mention (what Ivy League in California?) who are being conditioned against overunity research even as is, without your help?
If Mylow is to be taken seriously he has to demonstrate his device to independent parties, preferably from overunity.com. If you really want to help try to convince Mylow in this direction, don't take interviews with him and stage lectures in San Francisco Bay area as if everything has already been confirmed.
I spoke with Mylow this morning.
He actually got in a good night's sleep last night. Yeah!
He said he was so tired at the end of the day yesterday when he was taking his brother home that could hardly think or talk coherently.
Pmmtester is now going to receive the YouTube comment and pm notifications to answer on behalf of Mylow, only sending the ones that he thinks Mylow needs to address. Mylow's wife urged him to stop spending all night answering emails. They are only going to increase in volume if/when the successful replications start pouring in. He had 52 messages come in in the last hour, as we were talking.
Now here is something cool.
Because his brother, the engineer, was watching on yesterday as Mylow put the magnets back on, despite my urging of Mylobro to just watch, hands off, and let Mylow do his thing, Mylobro couldn't help but chiming in to have Mylow get his spacing equal, etc.
When they were done, they only had 7 sets of 3&3, and the last group was 4&5, with 4 magnets left over (or something like that [the math doesn't quite work out on those numbers]).
But the thing still worked, though really slow because of the nearly dead stator magnet.
This tells us that the tolerance for performance is quite forgiving here.
Mylow is expecting FedEx to deliver his new stator magnets today (Alnicos). He predicts that it will not run down (at least not nearly so fast) with the more stable magnets.
I urged him to hold off on media exposure until we have replications.
Oh, he said the bearing in the bearing assembly goes all the way through the aluminum cylinder.
Sterling
The "warning" in red lettering at this magnet-selling site shows that steel "U" shaped magnets normally have the problem of quickly losing gauss when used in "Repulsion Mode":
http://www.indigo.com/magnets/gphmgnts/chrome-steel-horseshoe-magnets.html
(and "no" lol, i am not shilling for that company ;) )
Regarding converting this system over to Neos (which might be hard & expensive to find in the required shape anyway, at least until the manufacturers get some big orders going)... It might make sense that the Flywheel Effect (...specifically the Weight...) of the Rotor Disk itself would need to be increased significantly: To help stop any "cogging"; and compensating for the vastly increased power of the rotor mags. So using a lighter "flywheel" (rotor disk), especially with neos, could be counter-productive.
Flywheels are powerful & efficient "batteries" of energy... Whatever increased energy it would take to fully spin-up to speed with a heavier one would be gotten back later... Especially if the Inertia of the rotor (...allowing it to get by any "sticky spots" via the energy stored by the momentum) is the real key to this system's successful operation in the first place.
It is interesting that Mr. Johnson appeared to use Plexiglas for the rotor in his Patent Office Demonstrator back in the early 80's. But it was THICK Plexiglas, and therefor fairly heavy. So an important question we may need to soon answer via empirical testing is this: Is the rotor's composition more about "weight" than "eddy currents"... Or is it a combination?
Quote from: wattsup on March 25, 2009, 01:39:56 PM
Regarding my previous post of Alternative #1, I have done some tests with neos and iron stock metal and it will not be good as drawn simply because each magnet will have it opposite polarity immediately after it which will then be on the wrong side.
This will not work with only one magnet or with two magnets separated by iron. But do this. Take a neo and stick a long bolt on the north and a bolt on the south. Then use your compass to see what happens at the bolt ends. lol That's it. As shown in my next drawing that will now be my build spec. One neo magnet per rotor or stator should give about the same result and not be subjected to field losses. The field loss is what is concerning me the most. Also, with neos embedded into the iron stock, I imagine the distance between the rotor and stator will still have to be greater then what Mylow requires given his very weak magnets.
Now as for Mylow's wheel slowing down and not turning at the same revolution, etc., etc., guys please cut it out already. We clearly have seen with a forum member mapping of the rotor magnet degrees that there is nothing in Mylows' build that could be construed as PERFECTLY SYMMETRIC. So if the build is not symmetric, then why do you expect its actual revolutions to be any more symmetric. Them magnets are not stupid. They react to what there is and not what you wish there is. lol
snip
wattsup,
A great idea, one I have been kicking around. But I would think sinking the neo into a pocket will
have a dead short around the magnet and nothing will reach the "bolt" ends. The iron neo combo
needs to be in three pieces, I would think.Harder to make and mount but hot glue is handy at times like this.
Ron
Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Joel Garbon, Jeane Manning and myself are going to be giving three presentations in the San Francisco, Silicon Valley areas.
The audiences will be mainly ivy leaguers. The topic is "Breakthrough Power - Embracing the New Energy Frontier"
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Events:Breakthrough_Power_March_30_-_April_2%2C_2009
It would be so sweet if we could have a working replica of the Mylow magnet motor to plunk down on the table and have running during the duration of the presentation. They could form a line and go and look at it one at a time. That certainly would turn some heads.
I was hoping we at PES Network would be able to get one built in time, but with the busy schedule of Doug Furr, and the difficulty in sourcing the rotor magnets, we probably won't have something for less than 10 days from now. (Have any of you found rotor channel magnets yet?)
Perhaps one of you who gets a working replica might be willing to ship it off to meet us in California.
Its time for breakthrough free energy to shine. Don't you think?
Sterling
Hi Allan,
Maybe the best way to have a working unit out there, is to have the iron stator from Mylows setup remagnetized (both of them) I think he had said there are 2.
and then take that original motor to the show and have the proof of concept right there, instead of waiting for sourcing and replications building.
Thanks for yours and Mylow's efforts,
Mike
Quote from: mscoffman on March 25, 2009, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: sterlinga
What this demonstrates in my opinion, is that
- the rotation speed is proportional to the strength of the magnet.
Mylobro said he was astonished to see something that defied everything
he had learned in school about magnetism.
Sterling
Most scientists would conclude that this is a very adequate proof level validity
that the energy to run the motor is functionally linked to the field strength
of the drive magnet. In other words magnetic energy from the magnet is being
used to run the motor - which would not then be OU.
[snip]
So one needs to be careful that the common understanding of what is happening does not
override finding the scientifically significant results.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Indeed. Do you have any connections to notable scientists, perhaps even a University physics professor, that would be interested in testing this? So far the machine has always demagnetized the PM's. Initial very rough estimates of the energy contained in the single stator PM comes to a few joules. The power required to maintain the low rpm is extremely small. I recall years ago calculating the energy required to maintain a slow spinning bicycle front wheel was ridiculously low. Sorry, don't recall the exact numbers, just the outcome. Also, IMO all 63 of the Alnico PM's are degaussing, but at a slower rate than the stator. These are simple measurements a University physics professor would measure so we can once and for all determine if it's legit or not.
PL
Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
I was hoping we at PES Network would be able to get one built in time, but with the busy schedule of Doug Furr, and the difficulty in sourcing the rotor magnets, we probably won't have something for less than 10 days from now. (Have any of you found rotor channel magnets yet?)
Perhaps one of you who gets a working replica might be willing to ship it off to meet us in California.
Well I have now had confirmation after paying a bit extra that my Rotor magnets (60 of them!) will be with me for the weekend.
I will give out the details so others can purchase them once I am happy that they are as close to Mylos that I could get.
My small CNC Desktop machine max's out at 250mm bed size so no good for cutting the Aluminium Disk I need. My big 600mm * 600mm CNC machine is still half built in the corner of the workshop, so that will be no good :(.
But a last minute email came in from a macheing shop with a reasonable price for a 45CM disk and now trying to get that delivered for the weekend.
As a back up I have got a 500mm x 500mm sheet again on route to my place and will try and Cut using a Router mounted on a arm and bearing, the same way I cut my big wooden Rotors, but it is gonna be tricky dropping the height bit by bit as it does a full 360 degree cut though LOL
So if you do not hear off me after this weekend, you know I cannot type as have probably lost all my fingers :P
I have some other magnets coming for the Stator/Armature setup, but again want to try a few different things and will try as hard as I can to keep the Alnico away from the NEO's for now :)
I am not going to make a big bearing mount like Mylo's and simply will use some smaller bearings I already have.
So IF it all turns up at the house by this weekend and IF it does run (Not holding breath!), I will build a second one and you are more than welcome to have it Sterling. Dunno if 10 days will be long enough though as I only get back home at the weekends :(
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 25, 2009, 02:25:43 PMDon't jump the gun @sterlinga. With this you're doing more harm than good to the free energy movement.
It's refreshing to see someone see the obvious. Sorry, no offense to Sterling.
Also, if it's verified by the scientific community, then it will be a lot easier to get media recognition.
PL
CLaNZeR,
Do you have something similar to mylow's device with low friction bearings? If so, then could you please do a simple experiment that mylow continues to ignore despite all the times I've asked him to do. Get the machine spinning at the same rpm shown in mylow's video, and see how long it will spin. If your stator PM is stronger than mylow's then please replace it with a similar PM or remove it for the test.
Thanks so much!
PL
@CLaNZeR,
Keep up the good work, mate. That's the way to go, not by beating the drum in the town square before the child is born. Good luck.
Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 02:29:19 PM
Oh, he said the bearing in the bearing assembly goes all the way through the aluminum cylinder.
Interesting quote as the Botom plate with the stubby sticking upwards that enters the Bearing is only so long anyway, so do not see whay this would matter ?
Quote from: wattsup on March 25, 2009, 01:39:56 PM
....That's it. As shown in my next drawing that will now be my build spec. One neo magnet per rotor or stator should give about the same result and not be subjected to field losses. The field loss is what is concerning me the most. Also, with neos embedded into the iron stock, I imagine the distance between the rotor and stator will still have to be greater then what Mylow requires given his very weak magnets...
Nice work,
In addition it will allow for a great range of magnetic strengths and even composite orientations, without altering the basic rotor/stator dimensions.
Thanks
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 25, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
Indeed. Do you have any connections to notable scientists, perhaps even a University physics professor, that would be interested in testing this? So far the machine has always demagnetized the PM's. Initial very rough estimates of the energy contained in the single stator PM comes to a few joules. The power required to maintain the low rpm is extremely small. I recall years ago calculating the energy required to maintain a slow spinning bicycle front wheel was ridiculously low. Sorry, don't recall the exact numbers, just the outcome. Also, IMO all 63 of the Alnico PM's are degaussing, but at a slower rate than the stator. These are simple measurements a University physics professor would measure so we can once and for all determine if it's legit or not.
PL
This device is simple enough that it can be easily replicated. The last thing I would recommend is take it to "professionals".
If replication is successful, then the universities can replicate it themselves. How many posts have you made on this? 50? ...WE HEARD YOUR POINT...MOVE ON PLEASE....
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 25, 2009, 02:45:14 PM
Interesting quote as the Botom plate with the stubby sticking upwards that enters the Bearing is only so long anyway, so do not see whay this would matter ?
It could be a double row bearing
e.g.
http://www.supbearing.com/double_row_angular_contact_ball_bearings.htm
it would also explain the vertical alignment/stability if only one bearing is used.
The outer race total thickness is much wider too, as opposed to single row similar bearings.
G'day all,
Here is something from my files that you might be interested in. It is a lab report of tests with one of Howard Johnson's magnetic gates. It has detailed drawings of the gate's construction, something not found elsewhere.
Have fun
Hans von Lieven
I had to upload it onto my website since the file is too big to be uploaded here
The url is Http://keelytech.com/overunity/johnsongate.doc
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 25, 2009, 02:43:08 PM
CLaNZeR,
Do you have something similar to mylow's device with low friction bearings? If so, then could you please do a simple experiment that mylow continues to ignore despite all the times I've asked him to do. Get the machine spinning at the same rpm shown in mylow's video, and see how long it will spin. If your stator PM is stronger than mylow's then please replace it with a similar PM or remove it for the test.
Thanks so much!
PL
Hi Paul
With the weight and size of that Rotor and no load I could mount that on some low friction bearings and guarantee you a Wind Down time from a low REV count of about 100 RPM and it will take a very very long time. Can tell you this from experience.
I have not seen any weight measurements from Mylo so difficult to try emulate it by weighting a different wheel and do winddowns though.
I am going to use the same bearings I used on the Modrasek Replication, but will probably only need one.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/mgw.htm
These are not low friction bearings but smaller than Mylo's and using two like I did on this replication still gave over 10 minutes wind down from 50 RPM (Yep 10 Minutes, Yep 50 RPM).
It will give a base line for the unloaded Rotor winddown, but the whole point with Mylo's is that we do not spin it up in the first place anyway and it is meant to speed up to it's optimun speed.
The usual Laser Tacho will be pointing at it, if she goes "IF"
Cheers
Sean.
Thanks for info Sean! That's what I was thinking, very long spin times. Also, by moving the weight (PM's) on the outer edge, you're not increasing the weight on the bearings, but you're increasing the momentum, which means it should spin even longer, if it's balanced well enough.
A self-starting (not pushing it) would be great, but I'm thinking most of the demagnetizing would occur from just keeping it spinning for a long time. So the reason for asking how long it would spin is to get a rough idea how much energy is required to keep it spinning for say 27 hours and then compare that to the energy contained in the PM's.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 25, 2009, 03:12:10 PM
Thanks for info Sean! That's what I was thinking, very long spin times. Also, by moving the weight (PM's) on the outer edge, you're not increasing the weight on the bearings, but you're increasing the momentum, which means it should spin even longer, if it's balanced well enough.
Yep people have to realise that when seeing a 3 minute, 6 minute or even 10 minute video on Youtube when there is no tach measurment being shown, that these could be simple flywheels they are seeing. Loose enough and balanced well to do very long winddowns.
The video is a illusion that the Rotor is spinning at a steady speed, when in fact it is dropping the RPM very slowly.
Quote
A self-starting (not pushing it) would be great, but I'm thinking most of the demagnetizing would occur from just keeping it spinning for a long time. So the reason for asking how long it would spin is to get a rough idea how much energy is required to keep it spinning for say 27 hours and then compare that to the energy contained in the PM's.
PL
Be great if Mylo had a Hall sensor and measured over that 27 hour period from the Stator/Armature magnet. We then would have a good idea of how long that Iron lasts and how much energy it takes to re-charge it when back at the shop. But I dought if we will ever see those figures.
I am going to try Ferrite and Alnico stator magnets and the interesting thing is when you compare the working temperature of the two, the Alnico's can go well high. Could this be a factor? who knows at this point.
Great to see everyone's hopes and enthusiasm still alive and kicking here. But thank God too some of you are still waiting for a video that shows the motor running without anyone pushing it by hand.
Everything I've seen and heard and read about this has left me convinced that's what's been happening. Of all the video's the guy's posted there is not one single one that dipsels that most obvious possibility, just the opposite in fact. Looking forward to that video, the first one he should have shot. No need for a tripod btw, just get someone else to hold the camera or put it on a chair tilted to show the motor being started up and left to run on the floor. And yes I know that won't be conclusive proof, as such video's can be faked too, but fakery on that level requires access to talent and equipment and commitment of a higher degree than what's been shown so far. It's just one of the simplest, most obvious preliminary tests, but still it hasn't been passed.
So yeah, just waiting for that, then some credible witness testimony, preferably with their own video's of the thing running as claimed, then I'll be all over it too. Should be good. Not interested in excuses though, of any kind. And at this point, any and all possible reasons for the verification not happening will be considered excuses. That's just where I'm at with this, after only three years of this bullshit. I'm not interested in being lied to by people who may be genuine believers in overunity but who make false claims in the hope that it may encourage others to help them achieve what they could not. But hey, who knows, maybe that's how things actually get done. Not willing to waste my time and effort betting on it though. At the same time however, I don't want to discourage people from having their own kind of fun with this, so I'll just shut up now, instead of describing in detail why I'm not buying into it.
All the best to you all, honestly, and that means you too Mylow.
P.S.
I strongly recommend the replicators start a new thread, called the replication thread, and get anyone who intrudes on it with skepticism banned. I would also recommend to whoever feels strongly that they should continually offer skeptical viewpoints here, that they also start their own thread and do so there. This thread should be locked or used solely for updating news about Mylows own work or news about it from elsewhere. The creation of such threads should be standard practice here to avoid unecessary aggravation for all. It's not fair for the replicators or the skeptics to claim this thread as their own and the niggling and arguing that results is a pain in the arse for everyone. Of course, those who just want to argue could start up a fourth thread. At least ask yourselves which thread you would post into before saying anything else in this one.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 25, 2009, 03:05:01 PM
One of our posts for every twenty of yours is very giving on our end.
PL
So you think your spam posts are good then.
@i_ron
I was also thinking about a two piece but I am sure the one piece will be better and not risk any stray fields from exiting between a two piece design. I will start a cad drawing of both tonight and send it to my CNC guy. I will also have a bolt thread under each rotor and will design the disk to have some sliding opening that will make for easy spacing adjustments from inter 3-set spacing to all equal spacing. The gluing seems too permanent. Also, I will only use only three sets and not include the fourth to ensure SYMMETRIC DESIGN. lol
I am also thinking of putting a lever to adjust the angle of the stator magnet to see if it will turn any faster.
My design will not have a top support. Everything will come off a still center shaft and only the disk with rotors will be on two bearings all supported on a tripod (or quadpod). Since I don't plan on making many versions of this I want it to be as flexible as possible to try other things.
@sterlinga
I am sure the Ivy Leagers have access to the net and can see these builds as they occur. A 30th of March time frame does not seem realistic.
Quote from: pillager on March 25, 2009, 02:52:22 PM
This device is simple enough that it can be easily replicated. The last thing I would recommend is take it to "professionals".
If replication is successful, then the universities can replicate it themselves. How many posts have you made on this? 50? ...WE HEARD YOUR POINT...MOVE ON PLEASE....
I agree. People like this really should not clog up threads like this. They contribute nothing useful and jab too much. I thought I knew a good Flip flopper in Bill Clinton. At least he was charming (Bill I meant)!
cheers
chrisC
@CLaNZeR,
If he posts a 10min video on youtube without speaking in the background (or perhaps 60min on google video, preferably) we can time it precisely and determine whether or not there's wind down. No need for a tach. Do you remember the similar measurements we did using the 40min videos of Finsrud's device? There was no winding down there.
Quote from: wattsup on March 25, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
@i_ron
I was also thinking about a two piece but I am sure the one piece will be better and not risk any stray fields from exiting between a two piece design. I will start a cad drawing of both tonight and send it to my CNC guy. I will also have a bolt thread under each rotor and will design the disk to have some sliding opening that will make for easy spacing adjustments from inter 3-set spacing to all equal spacing. The gluing seems too permanent. Also, I will only use only three sets and not include the fourth to ensure SYMMETRIC DESIGN. lol
I am also thinking of putting a lever to adjust the angle of the stator magnet to see if it will turn any faster.
snip
wattsup,
I am all gung ho for this so don't want to sound too negative, but, I am still favoring the three piece.
For example how would you get a neo to slide into a pocket? you would have to allow vertical
clearance, then you would have an airgap. I see your point on stray fields but a sheet metal shield
in the cut out would keep that in check.
The lever idea is good. I was even thinking of having tipping control over the stator.
Edit: also if you position the neo off center, like towards the north pole you can control the
relative field strength of the stator, making the north pole stronger in relationship to the south pole.
I have a 3/16th x 16 inch aluminum disc, (left over from another project) so will be watching
your build closely, lol
Ron
QuoteIf he posts a 10min video on youtube without speaking in the background (or perhaps 60min on google video, preferably) we can time it precisely and determine whether or not there's wind down. No need for a tach. Do you remember the similar measurements we did using the 40min videos of Finsrud's device? There was no winding down there.
And also a digital clock displaying seconds in the viewing screen would help in case his personal handheld video camera's timing sways a bit over 10 minutes period.
PL
Quote from: Omnibus on March 25, 2009, 04:01:31 PM
@CLaNZeR,
If he posts a 10min video on youtube without speaking in the background (or perhaps 60min on google video, preferably) we can time it precisely and determine whether or not there's wind down. No need for a tach. Do you remember the similar measurements we did using the 40min videos of Finsrud's device? There was no winding down there.
Hi Omnibus
Totaly agree if the Video is shot correctly then we can get alot of information out of it.
But I know if I ever got a self runner or any of the replications I attempt self run. I will use everything at my disposal to get the measurements out there.
I actually think Mylo has been fantastic and has posted more information than we usually get.
Also I feel this is a huge learning curve for him.
As pointed out he has missed out one simple thing with all the videos and that is doing a distant shot as he moves the Stator/Armature in and the initial startup.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on March 25, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
It could be a double row bearing
e.g.
http://www.supbearing.com/double_row_angular_contact_ball_bearings.htm
it would also explain the vertical alignment/stability if only one bearing is used.
The outer race total thickness is much wider too, as opposed to single row similar bearings.
Hey Mike, good to see you mate ;)
Agree it would help to stabalise it, but also add friction.
Some people will say that the friction could be helping with the effect as it is holding the Rotor back from getting carried away.
My answer to that is that the Air Gap between the Stator/Armature magnet could be reduced with less friction and then maybe allow the Stator/Armature magnet to last longer.
All guess work till we replicate I suppose, but as usual good fun :)
Cheers
Sean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk
Interesting results on this testing.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on March 25, 2009, 05:01:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk
Interesting results on this testing.
Hi LC10
Please expand, I still see the infamous Sticky Spots/Points in many other designs in the past. The magnets shown here are still not in the same config as Mylo's?
Cheers
Sean.
In the for-what-it's-worth department:
Mylow's May 2008 video of a previous attempt to build a magnetic motor has been reposted at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
It was not a self-runner and it was not claimed to be.
CLaNZeR Not my video yet it shows getting through the first gates before it goes around to the repulsive wall. With a full set up around the rotor it will limit such as the repulsive action on the stator magnet. A game of spacing it seems.
It may be this set up it goes with the acceleration to the next gate pass, and again. This appears to also be what is going on in Mylow's
On this guys videos we will have to wait and see what occurs as he fills the rotor in the proper positions. I may suggest to him to separate his stator magnets a bit just to see what it does.
Looking forward to your attempt CLaNZeR
Quote from: oak on March 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
In the for-what-it's-worth department:
Mylow's May 2008 video of a previous attempt to build a magnetic motor has been reposted at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
It was not a self-runner and it was not claimed to be.
Well done. Good find Oak. Gives useful background information. Thanks
I was going to copy the Steorn post here but you beat me to it. ;)
Quote from: Grimer on March 25, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Well done. Good find Oak.
Ta, as you Brits would say.
i get alot of parts from here. maybe this can help the other builders.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#u-shaped-magnets/=15t6le
cameron
Quote from: oak on March 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
In the for-what-it's-worth department:
Mylow's May 2008 video of a previous attempt to build a magnetic motor has been reposted at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
It was not a self-runner and it was not claimed to be.
Two things make an impression -- the famous brother-made disc is much shinier than it is today and the Guinness-book-of-records rate of mentioning Howard Johnson's name is missing altogether. On a serious note, it appears that Mylow has seen the photograph of Johnson's actual rotor magnets (which differ from those shown in his patent) after the experiment shown in this video and that's the real breakthrough, if at all. Recall that even in his first set of videos this year Mylow didn't use the Johnson bracket-type magnets and was still continuing to show this dead-end contraption very well known to almost every one who has tried to make such motor. He kept doing it even with the later-claimed-successful bracket magnets. So, if what we see now is real, it has been a very recent encounter for Mylow as well. One thing reassuring is that the current activity of Mylow isn't just a fluke but there's a proof for a longer standing interest in these matters (his drawings aside). On the other hand, except for the latest purported full-turns self-runner, the rest of the videos should have never been published because of their obvious triviality which only clogs the net but which hasn't seemed so to Mylow. He obviously has had the feeling that he is onto something to have them published. I only hope that what we expect to see now won't turn out to be another triviality, presented as a breakthrough. Someone with proven record from overunity.com has to visit him and examine what is actually going on there before efforts to reproduce this take place.
Both items ACH1950 and ACH79 are discontinued items.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you,
Edith Johnson
ALL Magnetics, Inc.
(email from a few hours ago)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 25, 2009, 02:35:41 PM
Well I have now had confirmation after paying a bit extra that my Rotor magnets (60 of them!) will be with me for the weekend.
I will give out the details so others can purchase them once I am happy that they are as close to Mylos that I could get.
Hey again ClaNZer ..
i'm hoping to have my mags for the weekend too .. i have an 18 inch aluminum disk i will be using with a very low friction bearing and will be using a digital tach to show speed.
Sourcing mags has been the biggest delay for me - i had no horseshoes or channels amoung my many magnet types.
i decided right off the top to get the ALI disk machined in a shop so i probably saved some time there.
After the race to replicate is over i will reveal my mag source too - it was the closest match i could find to Mylows and it took me a few days to find em on the net.
i'm really pleased to see that you and some other people whom i have great respect for
have taken up the challenge to replicate MyLows wheel. With the best mag experts in the world working the task - i think that if it is possible it will be replicated.
Truthfully though ..
i hope your second cause i wanna be first .. lol
Best regards
Queue
Strange, I called AllMagnetics INC the other day and was looking for a quantity of 12 - 24 of the ACH1950's, and I was quoted $19Ea, per single unit & if I wanted them in a quantity of 12 or more, the price would come down by a few dollars each, but the lead time would be unknown, since they have none in stock and would have to have them made up. I got the impression that it would be at least 3 to 4 weeks.
-rapttor
Guys,
Let's face it so that we can save face when the truth comes down. An all passive and permanent magnet motor is an impossibility. It's
always possible to go downhill but the way back up requires some external input. But for sake of FE, let's give Mylow a 10% chance of success. We all know it would take a miracle for that to happen. Then again who knows what God may do next: maybe he may decide to rewrite the laws of magnetism. I have a feeling Mylow's answer resides more in a prayer than a replication.
Good luck all,
Miki.
Quote from: slapper on March 24, 2009, 10:41:49 AM
Just got off the phone with allmagnetics.com that seems to have provided what appears to be the closest match to the channel/bridge magnets that MyLow uses.
The part number I used was ACH79 for the rotor magnets and either HS3702 or HS811N for the stator. Pretty much all the c magnets are discontinued and are
no longer in stock. Something about cobalt material being in short supply or expensive. But they will do a special order if you've got thousands of dollars available
for tooling. This can mean a healthy lead time as well.
The HS3702 was also discontinued but it appears that the HS811N is still in stock. Didn't bother to pursue the stator magnets much since there is an issue
with the rotor mags.
Another source:
ACH79 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles
100pcs $1.28 each plus one time charge for tooling of $175.00 6-8 week delivery
They have 2 other similar magnets in stock for immediate delivery:
0.280 X 0.370 X 0.750 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles; 100 pcs $1.38 each
0.380 X 0.370 X 0.840 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles; 100 pcs $1.48 each
They both have 0.125 hole in the middle.
The following image is the fax they sent me.
Take care.
nap
Electromagnets with battries balanced on the rotor would be a cheaper and quicker alternative than magnets. The coils could be wound around 16 penny spikes.
That rig could be made to be readily adjustable.
Regards,
Bessler007 (http://www.bessler007.blogspot.com)
Cmdr, MIB
Hi Gang,
Using ferrite, Neo's and/or Alinco's, so far my simple little can motor has a sticky spot and does not run. I am not discouraged but just more determined to make
a model work.
ONE of the most important things about the "U" Stator magnet is the statement that in a running motor (slow) it is so weak, it won't even pick up anything!!!!
That caught my eye.
We have very normal fields on the rotor between the top/bottom bracket magnets and then this weak stator magnet that is almost not a magnet,
and in theory should be attracted via the iron content to the bracket magnets but via almost random placement in groups, this cancels out also. Then a very weak spin? field works to push the rotor magnets by the stator magnet.
It appears that a strong magnetic field in the stator magnet is very counter productive in this type of motor! Strange! Still working and thinking on it!!!! I would love to see a Neo or in fact any normal magnet placed on the back of the "U" magnet with correct polarity to boost its field and see if it continued to rotate and/or rotate faster!
It also appears to build a model using as close to magnets readily available as can be found will cost us in the $150-200 dollar range just for the magnets..........and I still don't understand the Stator magnet theory yet.. I am beginning to wonder if due to the material of the stator and the recent magnetization if there is a short term Spin field in the material that causes it to work.
Ben
@miki02131,
QuoteLet's face it so that we can save face when the truth comes down. An all passive and permanent magnet motor is an impossibility.
No, we cannot face such a thing because it’s just the opposite â€" permanent magnet motor is a possibility since it has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that energy can come out of nothing (meaning that energy can appear due to a created opportunity, say, proper construction, for a conservative force to induce replacement). Once this is clear the engineering effort to create a working model is just a matter of time, skills and good conditions for rendering a model. Some luck, of course. And perseverance, let’s not forget it. Now, whether or not Mylow has achieved it still remains to be seen but sooner or later we’ll have it. So don’t be so pessimistic.
I uploaded a couple of catalogue files to:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/files/Sourcing/
One shows the sizes; the other shows the prices.
They list the an alnico sizes that are close to what Mylow used for his rotor magnets.
I've not called to verify that they have them in stock.
However, they are very expensive.
Part number 1947 is 0.75 inches long and costs $6.93 each. Sixty of those would come to $415.80.
To be a good open source (cheap and easy), we need to find a source more in the $1.00 range.
Sterling
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Quote from: sterlinga on March 25, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
To be a good open source (cheap and easy), we need to find a source more in the $1.00 range.
Sterling; please see my post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166106#msg166106 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166106#msg166106)
I don't mind sending the $175 for the tooling but the lead time sucks.
Take care.
nap
i was siting around the confrence table with my crew today and i was distracted in the meeting becuase i couldnt stop thinking about Mylow and his Wheel.
GUYS after many many hours of thinking about this...
I think even if Mylows Motor just spined 5 times HE DID it? you guys dont see it?
He sparked a FULE for free energy that i havnt seen in years..
if this aint a Major WIN by Mylow i dont know what is....
just wanted to point this out...
There has been much focus on the coercivity and polarization pattern of the Stator magnet, but is there currently a working consensus on the polarization pattern for the channel Rotor magnets?
.99
PS. Good work Mylow, keep the videos coming ;)
@Giga,
You're absolutely right that "even if Mylows Motor just spined 5 times HE DID it", provided it started the way he shows it. However, no one has seen that yet in a proper manner. He thinks he's doing it but what he's really doing is still unclear. I'm concluding this not only from the fact that the videos are not shot properly let alone no independent party has seen the motor much less running but because Mylow has posted a number of videos appearing wide-eyed about trivial things he should not have even clogged the net with. What I'm saying is, it's could be a flaw of judgment and one way or another we're all prone to it. That's why, before an independent party observes it, we still cannot be excited about something which may turn out to be clearly uninteresting, as many of his videos, despite that it may be presented as if it is.
@ Hans , thanks for posting your papers, I couldnt help but to lol in like the second paragraph, i will quote it here, "The tests were conducted at various times over the last 6 months, taking longer than expected due the non-availability of test personnel, the ordering and subsequent delay of delivery of the necessary force meter, and the development of a workable test procedure." , does time reperat itself or WHAT !! ?? and on another note, the article mentions HJ using Neos, all this time I thot he used I-B. Just another piece of the puzzle i ges, Mylow using iron stator vs. this article claiming neo vs. I-B in other articles, its amzing how much detail gets lost thru media ignorance. again, thanks for posting
Degaussing is a non-issue.
@ Sterlinga and all , if your lookn for mags, this is the best i could find for the price , the reason for 1000 piece request via email is because after talking to customer service via phone I was told minumum order was 1000, I was told to email price inquires. 25 day turn around, but the good news is, it's made in China?
And yes thats 25 cents a piece US.
snip of my post on yahoo group .. thought i would be it here as the group here is more intune it seems
This is a reasonable explanation, in my opinion of why it works as it does ...
The first clue is that he has to recharge the magnets as they loose the charge. The second is the "odd magnet out" this does make sense as magnet motors will NEVER work if everything is equal ... magnets themselves will try and mostly will find equalibrium. Nature / space is never in equalibrium and yet I constantly see everone trying to get to that spot thinking that overunity can be achieved that way. Space is not!
The magnets are clearly showing a rate of decay that is the first reason why this mag motor is working. As each ones decays a fraction it weakens its field and its field effect on the rest around it. This makes it easier the next time it comes around. The centrifical rotation of the fields and stored rotational kinetic energy help add to the cause of the rotation. With this is help of the aluminium plate as it will act as a conduit the Electro Magnet Force around to disapate the un-equal force of the odd magnet out.
The shape of the magnets are import as it project 2 intersecting magnet paths and finally looping back around.
So what does all this mean. Well for one it is now clearly possible to make a magentic motor. Some have already done this in the past like searl and like him. I believe now they all have a comon reason to why they functioned. The loss of magnet field.
Now of course the next trick is to increase the magnet stability or loss of magetism slightly to get it to last longer. I did make a suggestion to add some very small neo magnets like those found in hearing aids and place them on the backside. Do not use round ones as this will create an in-correct field. Why don't you do yourself some will ask ... well for starters I do not have the magnets that he is using or have access to them else I would. I will though soon enough once my latest project is over revisit the magnet motor concept.
Quote from: X00013 on March 26, 2009, 12:07:03 AM
And yes thats 25 cents a piece US.
dang
X00013 that is pretty good. Can't see needing anymore than 120 of them. I'd like for you to take another look at the dimensions. If we were to look at the ACH79 dimensions they'd look like this.
dim in mm
A 0.790 20.066
B 0.445 11.303
C 0.364 9.246
D 0.189 4.801
E 0.245 6.223
F 0.412 10.465
Dimensions taken from here: http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm (http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm)
Sure wish we can do something with these lead times. The IC die I get takes less than a week to get here just east of the Mississippi river.
Thank you X00013.
And a big thank you to MyLow. Now look at what you started ;D
Take care.
nap
Guys,
Those of you who are sniping at each other please take it off line. Reminds me of my little kids.
Right now we have a video and Mylows reports. Until we have a replication in place we are working off speculation. My suggestion to this group is we work off data and be data driven in our efforts. A number of hypothysis have been thrown out. Once we have the replication in place DOE's can be designed to prove or disprove. Slow and methodical is the best way to avoid mistakes and not jump to conclusions.
I've ordered parts but they will not be here for some time. So far I have not found the same size channel magnets. The Chinese company sounds like the best bet so far and if enough of us banded together to increase the order size we most likely can improve either the price or delivery time. I would vote working delivery. While I wait I'm working on a set of CAD drawings to build from.
BTW- Not all engineers think within the box of the classical physics and math they were trained with.
Quote from: nickle989 on March 26, 2009, 12:14:51 AM
snip of my post on yahoo group .. thought i would be it here as the group here is more intune it seems
This is a reasonable explanation, in my opinion of why it works as it does ...
The first clue is that he has to recharge the magnets as they loose the charge. The second is the "odd magnet out" this does make sense as magnet motors will NEVER work if everything is equal ... magnets themselves will try and mostly will find equilibrium. Nature / space is never in equilibrium and yet I constantly see everyone trying to get to that spot thinking that overunity can be achieved that way. Space is not!
The magnets are clearly showing a rate of decay ......
It is the stator magnet (singular) that is clearly showing a rate of decay.
We don't know that the rotor magnets are showing a state of decay. It might be that their strength is increasing albeit at a rate more slowly than the strength of the stator magnet is declining since there are many rotor magnets and only one stator magnet.. One could argue that it is the difference in strength between the magnets which is driving the motor and that the motor stops when the rotor magnets strength increase to the same point as the stator magnet declines,
I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but for those who have the stamina I think you'll enjoy a few of the points it raises.
First let me say that I am neither skeptic nor banner carrier, time will tell the story.
#1 Mylow states that he has replicated the motor created by Howard Johnson. At no point has he (or did Howard Johnson for that matter) claimed to have created an over unity device.
#2 http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm) and http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm.html (http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm.html) are both on-line copies of the original 1980 Spring issue depicting the Johnson Motor. This article clearly states that Johnson used Samarium Cobalt (SmCo) magnets. SmCo magnets have an exceptionally high resistance to demagnetization.
#3 In the radio Interview http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090323_Mylow_MagnetMotor.mp3 (http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090323_Mylow_MagnetMotor.mp3) a caller claiming to have known Howard Johnson called in. He stated that Howard Johnson had some interesting ideas as to why the magnets degaussed. Assuming this caller is genuine and his information is accurate, Howard Johnson also faced a degaussing "problem".
#4 The lab reporthttp://keelytech.com/overunity/johnsongate.doc (http://keelytech.com/overunity/johnsongate.doc) is generated out of lab by Thomas E. Bearden If you are familiar with this name, it should raise questions and or concerns; take that as you will (to me it nullifies the report).
#5 Regardless if HJ suffered degaussing issues (I assume he did, it's plausible to explain why his device isn't widespread), Mylow has explicitly stated that his motor does suffer this issue with the stator magnet. That being the case this device IS NOT over unity, NOR is it a perpetual motion machine. IT IS a permanent magnet motor (assuming it works) which is an accomplishment all on its own.
The degaussing issue may or may not be resolved eventually, but currently in my view the machine has turned stored magnetic energy into kinetic force, this does not violate the generally accepted laws of thermodynamics. Perhaps the magnetic energy is transferred to the rotor magnets (as has been suggested) even at 100% transfer the device is still not over unity. Maybe it dumps the energy in the black abyss or maybe it simply is so weak that the repeated exposure to the rotor magnets erodes the magnetic integrity of the stator, it really doesn't matter. It suggests that perhaps stored magnetic energy may be a viable energy storage medium or at the least that some work can be done via magnetic force until that force depletes/erodes/transfers etc.
It is not my intent to say it isn't authentic or that it is, only to share my two cents, whatever value you may find in them. To me Mylow seems genuine and unlikely to be a scammer or hoax. There are forces at work which he openly admits to not understanding (nor do any of us with absolute certainty) why it works (again assuming it does). It may work, it may not.
something else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh4hwtszU_s
Quote from: zapnic on March 26, 2009, 05:50:58 AM
something else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh4hwtszU_s
Could this be the "Law of Unwinding Torsion Fibers"
Remeber playing with Paperclips doing same sort of thing a while back now, heres old video link
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ClanzSadAct.wmv
Quote from: slipstream on March 26, 2009, 05:31:08 AM
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#5 Regardless if HJ suffered degaussing issues (I assume he did, it's plausible to explain why his device isn't widespread), Mylow has explicitly stated that his motor does suffer this issue with the stator magnet. That being the case this device IS NOT over unity, NOR is it a perpetual motion machine. IT IS a permanent magnet motor (assuming it works) which is an accomplishment all on its own.
The degaussing issue may or may not be resolved, but currently in my view the machine has turned stored magnetic energy into kinetic force, this does not violate the generally accepted laws of thermodynamics. Perhaps the magnetic energy is transferred to the rotor magnets (as has been suggested) even at 100% transfer the device is still not over unity. Maybe it dumps the energy in the black abyss or maybe it simply is so weak that the repeated exposure to the rotor magnets erodes the magnetic integrity of the stator, it really doesn't matter. It suggests that perhaps stored magnetic energy may be a viable energy storage medium or at the least that some work can be done via magnetic force until that force depletes/erodes/transfers etc.
It is not my intent to say it isn't authentic or that it is, only to share my two cents, whatever value you may find in them. To me Mylow seems genuine and unlikely to be a scammer or hoax. There are forces at work which he openly admits to not understanding (nor do any of us with absolute certainty) why it works (again assuming it does). It may work, it may not.
I can't agree with your point number five. The use of capital letters suggests you are rather uptight about the suggestion that the Mylow Magnetic Motor could be overunity. I believe it probably is - and is also an apparent PMM in the sense of having access to resupply from an inexhaustible source of energy, the ambient magnetic potential, a false datum just as the ambient air temperature is a false datum.
The slow degaussing of the stator could simply be the result of cycling, the net energy input to the stator in one half of the cycle being slightly less than the net energy output in the other. Also, though we know the strength of the stator magnet has decreased the strength of the rotor magnets may have increased. Steorn reported increase in magnet strength.
Omnibus doesn't consider degaussing a problem and I agree with him on that one, though not on his view that energy is being created ex nihilo.
Providing one accepts the existence of an ambient magnetic pressure in the same way as one accepts the existence of an ambient air pressure then I do not think the laws of dynamics, or thermodynamics, are violated. They are merely extended to areas previously undiscovered.
I do agree with you that Mylow is very genuine and if it's all an elaborate hoax then I'm a banana.
Hi All,
Mylow demonstrated a "gate" which is the kernal of the motor operation with FLAT magnets in a monopole orientation or he assumed they were in a
monopole orientation. I watched a very early video of his on YouTube of this demonstration. At this stage of his experimentation, I don't think he was using a simple
compass to determine the fields in magnets and I suspect the common Radio Shack magnet was magnetized through the flat magnet and they were actually N/S top to bottom or
the opposite, but just a guess.
The difference between Mylow's and every other rotary motor attempt is that for some reason with his re-magnetized "U" stator, the stator/rotor in a linear configuration (same gap between all rotor and stator magnets) Accelerates and does NOT pull back on the rotor magnets as they exit its influence in the direction of rotation, demonstrating an angular component or one directional field of integrated thrust in this configuration.......WHY?
Secondarily, the energy inputed to the wheel from a 3 or 4 string rotor set is enough to push the next string into the sphere of influence of the "U" magnet and so it continues.....If the stator was just a lump of ferrous material, the energy put into the wheel as it enters the group of rotor magnets would be almost identical to the exit forces subtracted from the wheel less induced hysteresis,bearing and frictional losses of all kinds and this makes sense. IF all fields cancel out statically magnetically then the only losses would be hysteresis within the materials on the field as it moves plus those mentioned above and we would have a very small net loss....IF the actual drive is a real, active spinning field and the angular construction of the U magnet is producing this effect against the rotor magnets, then it is highly possible that the energy required to maintain this field in the working environment is coming from the residual energy in the U magnet and that is why it "runs down".
Assuming (hate that word) that Mr. Johnsons theory of spin in a magnetic field is correct, and these two interacting spins push the magnets forward, I do not yet see the connection between the U stator and the Rotor magnets in this motor as the U fields NORMAL magnetic fields are so weak and the Rotor magnets are so strong that they simply should override the miniscule fields in the Stator and at any given point be attracted by the sum of their fields and the resultant attraction to the ferrous material in the stator and the net results be zero......but visually, that is not the case! Is the SPIN effect that strong as to override the normal fields and or does the kernel of how this motor works reside in the fact that all normal magnetic fields are canceled and only the Spin fields remain??? Everything about this motor in conventional EXCEPT the "U" magnet.....that is where the questions must be and the answers must be found. Please pardon the questions that I am asking myself as understanding is what I seek to this strange machine. Is there a place with this motor when if the distance between the rotor and the stator were too close the motor would not run, that is normal fields would override the "spin" fields???
A QUESTION FOR MYLOW or maybe I have missed it and the answer should contain a clue as to its operation.
1. WHAT DOES MYLOW DO TO REVERSE THE DIRECTION OF THE MOTOR??????
Anyway, drinking coffee, wakeing up, and thinking. The rest of the day is all down hill.
Ben
Quote from: k4zep on March 26, 2009, 08:32:34 AM
1. WHAT DOES MYLOW DO TO REVERSE THE DIRECTION OF THE MOTOR??????
He mounts the stator U-shaped magnet upside down.
He explained that in the interview
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090323_Mylow_MagnetMotor.mp3
Quote from: oscar on March 26, 2009, 08:48:22 AM
He mounts the stator U-shaped magnet upside down.
He explained that in the interview
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090323_Mylow_MagnetMotor.mp3
Thank you!!!
Ben
@i_ron
Hmmmmmmm. The rotor being north top south bottom is actually wasting at least half the field that is pushing outwards from the wheel and away from the stator. Think of this. Instead of being a U shape rotor, if it was an "I" shape as in the Roman Numeral 1, or like two U shapes stuck back to back, then you could have a stator on the inside as it is now, plus have one on the outside and still have those cavities. Hmmmm again.
Almost all attempts to make a magnet motor have used magnets that only apply one of their poles, the other pole is usually wasted. Two flats turning against each other wastes two poles and so on. Based on that I had posted a wheel design that took action on both polarities of a rotating center disk with non-rotating inner and outer stators, but even then two poles are wasted.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6446.msg151060#msg151060
Even coil systems suffer from the same dilemma of polarity waste, which is energy waste, but the U shape is what comes closest to full action. The I shape rotor would use more of the fields but would essentially be two U shapes.
Then there will be the question of finding the best rotor/stator angling since there is nothing that says perfectly upright positioning provides the optimal motive force. This will all be part of the discovery, only if guys can get past the the "sticky spot of skepticism" when all has already been shown. Mylow did not come here to give us all the answers. he came here to give us what he had, nothing more, nothing less and he did a damn good job of it. If that is not enough, then some should simply work on something else. I am sure there are many guys around the world that are quietly working on this as we speak.
Hi !
Wonderfull work and just with weak AlNiCo magnets.
Would be nice if Mylow or anyone else make an setup using plastic or wood for big round plate to see if it works
without possible eddy currents so we could have more predictably workable replications, and allso very probable use of NdFeB Mags then
This can really then give Huge ammounts of energy.
So are we done in researching field of free energy, and let orthodox science and system to supply us with further beyond prototype replications ?
Can't wait to have it at least as a toy on my non virtual desktop !
Can we now focus on antigravity research ? ;D
Wiz
If one is designing a multifactor experiment to look a the effect of a range of variables on a particular property, the skill is to try and keep things as simple as possible by choosing the variables so as to cut out the complication of high order interactions.
It is a simple task then to add variable together to get the magnitude of an effect.
In a five factor analysis of factors A, B, C, D and E
The first order interactions are
AB AC AD AE BC BD BE CD CE DE
The second order interactions are
ABC ABD ABE ACD ACE ADE
BCD BCE BDE
CDE
The third order interactions are
ABCD ABCE ACDE BCDE
And fourth order interaction is
ABCDE
The way to get this separation and eliminate interaction is to make the factors hierarchically independent.
What does that mean for the Mylow motor.
Well Cartesian co-ordinates are completely independent. No amount of x leads to an increase in y. No amount of y leads to an increase in Z. However, if the coordinates are discrete rather than continuous then there in an interaction. If x is units, y is tens and Z is hundreds then go up five units of x and you've gone up half a unit of y, and so on.
How then are the variables of Mylo's motor hierarchically independent.
Well, for starters, the inertia of the aluminum disk is large compared to the kicks put in by the stator as groups of magnets pass underneath. Also the size of the disk is large in relation to the size of the magnet grouping and the rotor-stator gap, etc. The stator and rotor magnets are statically at right angle (though presumably not dynamically or the interaction would be zero)
This would seem to be a case where small is beautiful. Size matters but in the inverse. The natural temptation to use more powerful magnets should be resisted. The discs should be as large as possible, the magnets as small and weak as possible consistent with the motor still working, obviously. One can then gradually increase each of the variables in turn until one generates a negative interaction and the motor stops working. In this way one will map out an operating envelope for the motor and determine which combination of variables gives most power, most speed, or whatever.
I jusr check a Lowes scence drawer horseshoe magnet polarity with a compass and
surprise - its not on the flat ends as I thought it would be. Its point out and off about 45 degrees
just like the Mylow video. Check yours and see if you agree.
To me the early video showing the one way gate is the clincher.
I'm trying to get there first before I invest a bunch of money on anything.
Think about what we have
1. a vertical rotor magnet with two polarities.
2. a horizontal stator magnet with one pole approahcing the set of magnets
and another pole to follow.
What would that do? It would seem to net out to equal attract and equal repel.
But somehow it does not balance out that way.
Ponder that.
Norman
Mylow should put together one of these magnetizers http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/magneto/index.html (http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/magneto/index.html) So he can re-magnetize his iron magnet in house.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 25, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
Hey Mike, good to see you mate ;)
Agree it would help to stabalise it, but also add friction.
Some people will say that the friction could be helping with the effect as it is holding the Rotor back from getting carried away.
My answer to that is that the Air Gap between the Stator/Armature magnet could be reduced with less friction and then maybe allow the Stator/Armature magnet to last longer.
All guess work till we replicate I suppose, but as usual good fun :)
Cheers
Sean.
Great to see you too working on this ;)
It could very well be a single bearing with single row, and to keep a stable geometric positioning of the aluminum disk edge (about 9 in moment arm load there for about 1.5-2 in support across the bearing inner/outer race ball contact diameter) it would most likely be a hi precision preloaded one.. Preloading does increase precision for the rated load, but also has increased friction too, maybe an acceptable tradeoff. There appears to be very little if any wobble when the disk rotates or is handled initially. They are pricey too Mylows bearing â€"he mentions it’s very precise-- and it also seems to be of sealed type, most likely Viton or EPDM seal and grease packed inside.
To reduce friction, one can do the std routine: remove seal, clean grease, dry…
An alternative would be 2 cheaper open race (looser ones, very light or no preload) bearings that would provide needed stability and support at lower prices etc.
For initial replication purposes however; it maybe best to keep the parts as close as possible to the original, so no additional variables regardless how small are introduced.
Good fun stuf
All the best
Mike
Contrary to what has been suggested, I strongly recommend avoiding the use of flexible magnets. Many of the commercially available strip and sheet type magnets have alternating poles (NSNSNS) due to being magnetized with electromagnets powered by AC. These types of plastic magnetic materials vary widely in composition, are usually very weak, demagnetize easily, and some formulations won't re-magnetize. In summary, forget trying to get consistency, or reproducibility, if you use flexible magnet material.
Quote from: derricka on March 26, 2009, 01:42:16 PMContrary to what has been suggested, I strongly recommend avoiding the use of flexible magnets. Many of the commercially available strip and sheet type magnets have alternating poles (NSNSNS) due to being magnetized with electromagnets powered by AC.
I'm doing a test to see how long it takes a NdFeB PM to remagnetize a flexible PM. That will make the flexible PM all in the same pole. Roughly a week ago my experiment on alnico show that it took ~ 1/2 an hour to remagnetize.
Quote from: derricka on March 26, 2009, 01:42:16 PMThese types of plastic magnetic materials vary widely in composition, are usually very weak, demagnetize easily, and some formulations won't re-magnetize. In summary, forget trying to get consistency, or reproducibility, if you use flexible magnet material.
Yes, which could be the reason why they're working for mylow. Someone emailed me saying that Steorn claims the secret is in "crappy" magnets. My measurements in *long term* magnetic viscosity (another key to Steorn's acclaimed success) have shown that weak magnets have high long term magnetic viscosity on the order of seconds and beyond. Whereas strong magnets have long term magnetic viscosity on the order of centuries; e.g., NdFeB. So it's possible that strong magnets would require rpm's far too low to be useful.
PL
For these things to do what it does to the stator magnet, a lot of magnetic vibration is going on. It would take a 3d sim to show the whole thing with this stuff. The spacing of the magnets seem to be a major part of the vibration. I suspect the velocity will be linked to this vibration timing and amplitude for the drive of this, if it is real.
Pole position of the stator magnet would be interesting to view.
Just checked the flexible PM's. It didn't take very long to magnetize them, but maybe they'll still increase in strength if left on longer. Anyhow, as expected, they're very weak because of they're exceptionally thin as compared to over all front surface area, which makes all PM's weaker. Just cut a bunch of them, then stack to form a normal shaped PM; e.g., 0.5" square by 2" long. It could be comparable in strength to an alnico.
PL
In my opinion, the only way to fully verify Mylow's device is to re-create one EXACTLY like his.
ie. Magnet type, platter type, distances, dimensions and construction materials.
If the clone doesn't work, then we know it's a fake.
Trying to replicate it any other way will be a waste of time, effort and materials.
But, hey- just my opinion...
Quote from: derricka on March 26, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
Contrary to what has been suggested, I strongly recommend avoiding the use of flexible magnets. Many of the commercially available strip and sheet type magnets have alternating poles (NSNSNS) due to being magnetized with electromagnets powered by AC. These types of plastic magnetic materials vary widely in composition, are usually very weak, demagnetize easily, and some formulations won't re-magnetize. In summary, forget trying to get consistency, or reproducibility, if you use flexible magnet material.
No doubt what you say is true. But flexible magnets give people who wouldn't otherwise attempt replication of Mylow's motor a chance to join in and and experience the thrill and learning curve of experimentation - together with the joy of serendipitous discovery if they should stumble upon the Blacker combination.
Quote from: pinestone on March 26, 2009, 02:32:56 PM
In my opinion, the only way to fully verify Mylow's device is to re-create one EXACTLY like his.
ie. Magnet type, platter type, distances, dimensions and construction materials.
If the clone doesn't work, then we know it's a fake.
Trying to replicate it any other way will be a waste of time, effort and materials.
But, hey- just my opinion...
It is certainly the best way. But not the only way. Some people may not have the materials or skills to EXACTLY recreate Mylow's motor. I don't think they should be discouraged from having a go.There's more chance of success than winning the lottery and plenty of people buy tickets for that.
Everyone probably agrees the original is the best to replicate. I told Sterling about the flexible magnets so that when he and his team goes to test mylow's machine (hopefully very soon) that he can offer mylow as much extra tools and parts for further tests.
PL
Round Aluminum pizza pan from Walmart
If this was talked about already, I apologize, but I bought a round aluminum pizza pan at Walmart a while back. It has a curved side but it can be cut off if you are good or just move the mags in a little from the edge and work from there.Trying to help!
Where's MyLow?
John
Thanks for that info
Chet
Quote from: johnfarmingdale on March 26, 2009, 03:37:31 PM
Round Aluminum pizza pan from Walmart
If this was talked about already, I apologize, but I bought a round aluminum pizza pan at Walmart a while back. It has a curved side but it can be cut off if you are good or just move the mags in a little from the edge and work from there.Trying to help!
Where's MyLow?
John, great idea
I never thought of a Pizza Pan, but did look into Aluminium Catering Flat Pan lids and also some of these Bistro Aluminium table tops.
Was shocked at the prices though LOL
Cheers
Sean.
I had difficulty gluing the magnets at the right spot on the rotor.
Then I placed a piece of metal on the side of the one already glued
and the next one just sat there and I could align it. I sighted it to the
center of the shaft so that it is aligned right and I made a wedge
that had the right angle and space to help align it.
Hope this helps you in your assembly.
I now have 4 horshoe magnets to play with the one way gate.
I have an arm comming out from the rotor shaft that I can mount the
stator magnet for one way gate testing.
Norman
I doubt its a deliberate hoax, for the simple reason that Mylow displays the kind of empathy that is (usually) absent in scammers and hoaxers. Self delusion would be a much more likely reason, if this thing turns out not to work. I once mounted a 10 pound barbell weight on a low friction hard drive bearing, and gave it a good spin with my hand. The thing kept spinning for the better part of half an hour. I could have made a 10 minute YouTube video, and few would have noticed such a gradual speed drop. Substitute a bigger aluminum disk for the barbell weight, and the initial stator magnet placement (push), for my hand spin, and you have recipe for self delusion. Now Mylow claims his motor ran overnight, which if true, would tend to rule out such a "flywheel" effect, and of course, delusion. Still, without independent verification, a claim is just a claim. When dealing with people, "innocent until proven guilty" is the rule. When dealing with science, "false until proven true". Say what you will.
I asked the question, but no one had an answer.
Thanks to Mylow (in his latest video today) for confirming what my observations were regarding the rotor magnets.
.99
Here's the latest from Mylow.
Last night, per a recommendation from the Overunity forum he put Neos on his Iron stator magnet over night.
This morning when he tried it out to see if it worked, he said the motor did spin, but it was "jumpy" and not stable; and it would only make about 5-6 revolutions. It didn't seem to find the equilibrium speed that it did before. I told him we would love to see that on video, and he said he would shoot it for us.
He also said that the rotor magnets seemed to want to repel the rotor magnets, pushing the two parts apart. He had to hold on to the stator to keep it from moving away.
He received his Stator magnet today, but it was the wrong size, so he had FedEx return it.
Per the email below, I recommended that he order some alnico horseshoe magnets from allmagnetics.com. He said he would order them with next-day delivery.
He didn't seem to think that HS811N would work. Then he said something that could be key: "The stator magnet must be slightly larger (wider coverage) than two of the rotor magnets plus the gap, and a little more." With the rotor magnets being 1 cm wide, and the gap between them being ~1/4 inch (not uniform, which he thinks may be one of the reasons his motor works), I calculated that this distance would be ~1.3 inches-plus a little. That is what I based my following recommendation on. The first part numbers mentioned are slightly wider than that.
Pmmtester is willing/able to go to Chicago at moments notice to see Mylow's motor when he's ready to let us in.
p.s. Mylow stayed up til 4:00 am last night reading throught the various forums. He wishes people would be more supportive, helping him optimize, tweak, test, improve, and not telling him why it doesn't work.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Mylow Magnet source
I'd try:
Will probably work:
HS90
HS812N
HS813N
May not work, but would be good to try:
HS811N
HS170
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Mylow Magnet source
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm - HS811N (alnico; which is not what Mylow used; he uses iron) is in stock and costs $10.00 each. Seems to have provided what appears to be the closest match to the channel/bridge magnets that MyLow uses. Pretty much all the c magnets are discontinued and are no longer in stock. Something about cobalt material being in short supply or expensive. But they will do a special order if you've got thousands of dollars available for tooling. This can mean a healthy lead time as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: felix@allmagnetics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: Fw: Mylow Magnet dimensions
Hi Felix,
Here is what I sent to Mike in Michigan.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: magnettool@aol.com ; magnetool@aol.com
Cc: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Mylow Magnet dimensions
Hi Mike,
Below is an image I pulled together that shows photos of the magnets and their dimensions.
http://peswiki.com/images/9/97/MylowMagnetMotor-rotor-stator-dimensions_jp40.jpg
I posted this at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Magnets_.28Overview.29
The referenced video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shoALtj4j9U
We would like to get magnets as close to these specs as possible.
For me, I would prefer to start out with an alnico magnet for the stator magnet, instead of iron, so I don't have to worry about demagnetization. If that doesn't work, then I'll want to try to source an iron magnet.
If we can replicate this effect, you can count on a high demand for these supplies, and we would be interested in entering into a commission relationship to help finance the promulgation of this technology.
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An interesting side experiment would be to replace the half circle magnet with an electromagnet.
Then try connecting it to a Bedini circuit.
Hi All,
Just something to think about. IF the wheel motor will not run with opposing U magnets at each end of the overhead arm and it chatters or cogs as I believe Mylow stated in
his radio interview, It appears to me we need to look at the elasticity in the overhead arm and possibly twisting in the third axis of the arm as a possible power producing model.
Ben
Quote from: 0c on March 27, 2009, 08:50:43 PM
Don't worry. Judging by history, that doesn't happen until you have a "working overunity device". ;)
::)
Won't happen to me. All I want to do is back the man up. I didn't invent the blasted thing.
Won't tel my brothers, though. There are more than one. It could get ugly.
No problem with such a thing here. After everyone is done insulting me it'll just go on the shelf.
Sorry for the downtime.
I was working outside at a customer place and had no access to check the server
and then suddenly the database over here had a glitch.
Now I repaired the database and all is back to normal again.
Well, I have not seen some pictures of the Mylow motor and I found
them in the Yahoogroup and I am posting them also here for backup reasons.
Here they are:
Here is a simulation picture of the magnetic field lines from
a AlNiCo magnet versus a Neodym bar magnet with
steel core pieces attached.
As you can see, the field is almost identical,
so the better Neodym magnets probably could also be used.
I found this picture also in the Yahoogroups.
Regards, Stefan.
@sterlinga
You indicated that Mylow used a neo magnet to re-magnetize his stator but the result was an erratic rotation.
I don't much about how that would work or know how Mylow placed his neo magnet onto the stator magnet but if he was using only one neo, then I think that may be why he is having problems. Magnets are remagnetized from both polarities at the same time. May I suggest that he try two neos, one one each end of the stator, one north sticking and the other south sticking.
OK meaning he sees which is north and south on the neos and what is north and south on the stator. Then comes the tricky part of knowing which to put where. North neo on stator north or south. And south of the other neo on the other side of the stator. I just don't know which would go where but I suspect that the polarity of the neo that sticks to the stator will produce the opposite polarity on that stator on that side.
Hmmmmmm. Now I'm confused. lol
Hi all, found some info on an old engines forum, on how to re-charge magnets the old fashioned way. Might be worth a shot, and the price is right! ;D
MAGNET CHARGING
To Restore the Power of Horseshoe Magnets.
To restore horseshoe magnets that have lost their power from disuse, proceed as with new ones. Place the poles of the magnet to be charged, against the poles of another, making opposite poles meet. Then draw a piece of soft iron, placed at right angles upon the magnet to be charged, from the poles to the bend. Do this a number of times on each side of the magnet. If the magnet is of good steel, this produces a maximum power. It is the method of Jacobi, and is considered one of the best.
It looks like the stator magnet is now higher than it was before.
Quote from: oak on March 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
In the for-what-it's-worth department:
Mylow's May 2008 video of a previous attempt to build a magnetic motor has been reposted at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
It was not a self-runner and it was not claimed to be.
hi, does anyone know where I can find the second part of this video?
on the other video he explains more in detail how the magnets are arranged, north, south, etc.
I remember seeing this video along with part 2 of this video but it got deleted shortly after and I never got the change to copy it :-(
PLEASE if anyone can find the other video post here.
This setup seems to be a lot easier to replicate than the U shaped magnets and it looks like you would get the same results.
Again if anyone can find the second part of this video it would be greatly appreciated.
An old codger who was first a blacksmith and then an ace auto mechanic and loves
the old time gas engines with horseshoe magnet ignition systems takes a wire
and wraps it around the horseshoe several times and then strikes the wires to the
battery posts thereby magnetizing the horseshoe and thus restoring the magnet
and restoring the spark needed to run the old time gas engine. And he knew the
righthand rule to get the magnet pole right. I'd start with a nail if I wanted specific
polarity then upscale it to the desired material.
But I'm guessing that with neos these days the neo is a better way to do it.
I am really sorry to hear the Mylow committed the expermintal's cardinal sin -
"never take a working device apart!!!.
I had 2 such devices that I took apart or
moved and never saw them work again.
I learned that before I made my pendulum
that swings higher than its dropped point at http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html
Norman
@stefan I'm glad you found some value in my FEMM simulation NEO40 vs Alnico5. As I think its very important that some folks replicate Mylow's work exactly as he did it ( for verification reasons), equally important is that others try to address the problem of the demagnetization of the Alnico's.
@wattsup I believe the problems that Mylow experienced after re-magnetizing the stator with the neo was it simply made the stator too strong for his current setup. If one goes the route of neo's they will need to adjust the spacing more widely apart and use permability plates to redirect and bleed off some of the flux to dumb down the stronger neo's.
Of course this is all contingent on the validity of Mylow's unit in the first place. I personally feel 99% sure its legit, but its the 1% that bothers me.
Good luck to all replicators! Hopefully soon I'll find the time to hit the bench one more time.
Steve Needham
Since repeated reassembly, with repeated good results, was the norm for this motor I doubt the cardinal sin was that he took it apart.
Re magnetizing the stator with neos and not doing it to match the original field was a sin.
Like a previous poster shows in a story about an old 'codger' simply applying another magnet is not the correct method for any dead magnet.
Magnetic flux is like a bundle of rubber bands. You must stretch or draw them into the shape you want, if you wish a specific field shape.
IMO: The cardinal sin was getting a somewhat academic involved before the true function was 'nailed down' and thoroughly documented.
In every case I've seen like this, the device and the inventor simply go away when this happens.
We all know the opinions of those touting the use of so-called qualified people to take control of such projects. My opinion is based upon the fact I am employed solely to make things work again after pin heads say it can't work that way. They then make 'improvements or corrections' and it is broke. They can't fix it. So I do.
At this time I wouldn't be surprised if they simply can't make it work now.
TMK HJ used two stator magnets, one next to the other but slightly offset with reversed poles and a fixed spacing between them. The stator magnets 'shorted' each other unless they were close enough to a rotor magnet for the 'short' to conduct to the rotor until a space was hit. Then the short between the stator ends reconnected.
In other words: the stator magnet has eight individual poles.
So is my story and I'm sticking with it. (Pun intended)
@BEP
QuoteIMO: The cardinal sin was getting a somewhat academic involved before the true function was 'nailed down' and thoroughly documented.
In every case I've seen like this, the device and the inventor simply go away when this happens.
We all know the opinions of those touting the use of so-called qualified people to take control of such projects.
I wonder if you remember the short story by the Czech author Karel Chapek entitled “The Man Who Knew How to Flyâ€: http://www.bgu.ac.il/~arikc/fly.html . This is a story of a man who suddenly discovered how to fly and who lost that ability when appearing before a commission of academicians who tried to improve his technique from an academic point of view. Very telling story.
Quote from: xee2 on March 28, 2009, 03:22:13 AM
It looks like the stator magnet is now higher than it was before.
No... if you watch the video he has it up on a book to match the previous height.
Ron
Wind Down Video uploaded to Youtube. Bit boring but atleast I know what the Baseline Wind Down of the Aluminium Rotor is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QDyxCHMOCE
YouTube stuck a copyright on it, so now music but you can download original video here.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/mylo/CLaNZeRSMylow-HJReplicationPart1.wmv
Progress pictures over the weekend will be posted here as I go along
http://www.overunity.org.uk/mylo/mylowreplication.html
Now off to get messy and Glue these magnets on.
Cheers
Sean.
@CLaNZeR,
Glad to see you're almost there in assembling the rig, save the messy part. The second link isn't working for some reason. Good luck.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 28, 2009, 11:35:57 AM
@CLaNZeR,
Glad to see you're almost there in assembling the rig, save the messy part. The second link isn't working for some reason. Good luck.
Whoops try again http://www.overunity.org.uk/mylo/CLaNZeRSMylow-HJReplicationPart1.wmv
Also Google Videos has not blocked the sound
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4272158275080141748
Thanks, @CLaZNeR, the google video works just fine while the wmp is still loading believe it or not.
@Clanzer,
Thanks for taking this one on. I always enjoy watching your builds.
Anyone else miss TK?
M.
Yep, always good to see Clanzer`s stuff. :)
Does the disk have a wobble to it, or is that just me?
Quote from: Lakes on March 28, 2009, 12:45:09 PM
Yep, always good to see Clanzer`s stuff. :)
Does the disk have a wobble to it, or is that just me?
There is a little play in the bearings, so you got to expect it with the weight and span of the disk.
Also Aluminium Disk might be not 100% flat :)
We are talking probably 1mm at the most drift on the outside edge of wheel.
Not sure if anyone caught Mylow's brief cameo in his 5th video
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6172/mylow.jpg
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 28, 2009, 12:49:43 PM
There is a little play in the bearings, so you got to expect it with the weight and span of the disk.
Also Aluminium Disk might be not 100% flat :)
We are talking probably 1mm at the most drift on the outside edge of wheel.
Yup, bearing play etc, and none of mylow``s videos show the disk edge on for any length of time as far as I remember.
Looking forward to the the next (Clanzer) video.. :)
Back in the 1970s There where sever magnet wheels come out. They seemed to work for awhile and then stop. This is beginning to look like the same scenario.
I think the impossibility in building a working magnet motor is the boost inventors need to try anyway. What is more temting than trying to make the impossible, possible? No one can stop us trying - even if we fail over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
Vidar
Quote from: miki02131 on March 28, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
An all passive and permanent magnets device will never be able to operate let alone yield OU.
Hey! never say never!
Last update from me today as time for some food and spend bit of the night with the family :)
After trying to manually place the magnets a few times and then ripping them off after holding up Mylow's pictures against it and comparing I decided to go for this layout attached.
All Rotor magnets now in place, so tomorrow will start on the Stator magnet holder.
Well, @CLaNZeR. it happened earlier than I expected. Good for you, buddy.
The only reason I'm building one (shop is cold - I'm thawing my feet right now) is to watch some folks gag on crow.
Maybe this one will also fail. At least I'll have a 10 minute video of me gagging on crow. Don't expect me to share. I have unique tastes.
I have the materials, time to kill. What the he77? The more insults and book thumping the better.
I'm no fool. Personal experience tells me this will fail in one way or another. Even the most promising ones will simply stop functioning - and that is without demagnetization.
BTW: De mag is most likely not an issue here but not the way discussed. Simple iron magnets (ones magnetized after manufacture) don't generally loose their magnetization in repel. The field simply becomes contained within the iron shape. You can cut it in half and both halves we be magnetized again.
Same problem happens on large standby generators that sit too long (yes, I know they are actually alternators).
On those a field flashing circuit is provided.
So, if this is a problem, and you know the actual pole configuration, you just wind a coil around it. Hit the thing with a high amp pulse of DC and it is back in service.
Feet have feeling again....
Later
Clanzer,
your build is not only awesome, it's artful!
as soon as the kids move out, I'll have a shop just like you...but I'm assuming we'll find free energy before that happens in 20 years!
keep on trucking!
dixie
Quote from: dixiepnum on March 28, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
as soon as the kids move out, I'll have a shop just like you...but I'm assuming we'll find free energy before that happens in 20 years!
Thanks Dixie
Why wait for the Kidz to move out, my 3 have been helping me build this shit for years!
I usually have about 3 projects on the go at anytime and they walk in the house with their mates, go HI DAD as they glance into the MAD area and carry on up the stairs.
You then hear their mates saying, what was that on the table your Dad way playing with ? . The usual answer is, oh do not worry about him :) LOL
They probably know more about magnets than I do, they just do not realise it hehe
Cheers
Sean.
@CLaNZeR,
I dunno how you can stand to have this thing sitting near you and not be tempted to try it.Needn't say I can't wait to see it running but, hey, patience is a virtue.
You must have a whole museum of these. Wonder how many do you already have?
Quote from: Omnibus on March 28, 2009, 05:44:19 PM
@CLaNZeR,
I dunno how you stand to have this thing sitting near you and not be tempted to try it.Needn't say I can't wait to see it running but, hey, patience is a virtue.
LOL Omnibus
At the moment I am relaxing chatting away to kidz (well teenagers these days!) and other half around the table, a few bottles of wine after a really nice meal nipping in to do emails and looking at other stuff/projects I got going on.
If Truth be known I have not even offered up any kind of stator magnet to the Stonehenge configuration of the rotor magnets yet.
After trying so many replications, many made public and many more not public, I am sort of immune and expect it to fail in a weird kind of way. Hard to explain but I always look at the worse side, so if there is a good side I will get a surprised !
It can wait till tomorrow as I think I will have to order some better stator magnets after looking at Mylow's pictures on and off for a period over 10 hours today LOL
It is never till you build the thing, you can see the proportions as such.
We shall see what tomorrow brings :)
Cheers
Sean.
Sean,
you make us very excited.
Come on, just try to take a stator magnet into your hand and hold
it nearthe track.
How does it feel and behave ?
Does the wheel want to spin ?
Many thanks and great replication as always.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 28, 2009, 06:10:07 PM
Sean,
you make us very excited.
Come on, just try to take a stator magnet into your hand and hold
it nearthe track.
How does it feel and behave ?
Does the wheel want to spin ?
Many thanks and great replication as always.
Patience is a virtue.
Patience, a virtue or not, it's true all eyes are turned now to @CLaNZeR.
@ clazner, hats off for your build. we all appreciate you taking the time money and effort to further this project, whether it ends with a proof of concept of not, the results will be valuable.
cam
G'day all,
I just received an E-mail from Tom Bearden's mob. Apparently they did not like me putting their lab report concerning the Howard magnetic gate on my website to give you guys access to it. They claim copyright, which is crap since that report was released to the public without copyright notice. As far as I am concerned that makes it public domain.
Nevertheless, I will delete it from my site since the report is probably a lot of crap anyway.
In the subject line it said:
Copyright Violation - CEASE AND DESIST
This is what they wrote:
Quote
Mr. von Lieven
Your site is carrying a Copyright Document owned by Tom Bearden and Cheniere Media, and we request that you remove it immediately.
The Document is at http://keelytech.com/overunity/johnsongate.doc
Your co-operation is appreciated and expected.
Thank you
Tony Craddock
Director
Cheniere Media/ The Tom Bearden Website
www.cheniere.org
nice guys
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 28, 2009, 06:10:07 PM
Hi,
nice try, but
don´t use a bar magnet for the stator,
just use additional iron core pieces to simulate a real U-shaped magnet as the stator.
Or just use a U-Shaped iron only, no magnet at all as the stator.
Regards, Stefan.
Ok, I attempted to create hybrid horseshoe magnets with neo's and shelf pegs.
I believe I will get better results with these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLjDAV-h6sc&feature=channel_page
They feel as a horseshoe magnet would feel.
I used larger neos for the stator magnet.
:)
I think this rotor should work. Though it has a bit of friction and drag.
Now I just need to find a nice pizza pan to mount onto the rotor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMqa3WaulM&feature=channel_page
I spoke with Mylow this evening (~6:20 pm Mountain).
He's been looking all over for stator magnets.
I recommended that even though the ones I pointed out a couple of days might not be close enough of a match in his mind that he ought to go ahead and get them to give them a try. There's a scientific pursuit here as well to find out what does and does not work, and to explore the ranges of operation.
Referring back to the test he did a couple of days ago in remagnetizing his iron stator magnet with neodymium magnets, he said, "the Neo magnets worked, but not like how I liked it."
A few days ago he went back to the place that had been remagnetizing his stator magnet and talked to the guy in charge, who was not at all inclined to help out with the project by continuing to remagnetize his stator magnet. He said that the machine is very expensive to run and intended for paying commercial contracts. It is used to magnetize magnets used in CNC lathes, to hold things in position. He was dubious about what running that little magnet in his state-of-the-art machine might do to the equipment. He did give a couple of referrals of others in the area who might be able to do this for Mylow, but when Mylow checked with the referred parties, they declined to help.
He's in process of documenting his re-assembly of the unit, taking video as he goes, and uploading them to YouTube.
In looking at the HJ motor photo some more, he said he noticed that HJ's stator magnet is higher than he has his.
He commented on CLaNZer's replication and commended him on the work he's doing. He noted that the stator magnet is quite a departure, and he'll be interested to see if it works.
Mylow's goal for himself is to end up with a self-starter, so that he doesn't have to do anything with the rotor to get it to begin spinning other than to bring the stator into position.
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on March 28, 2009, 10:58:52 PM
I spoke with Mylow this evening (~6:20 pm Mountain).
He's been looking all over for stator magnets.
I recommended that even though the ones I pointed out a couple of days might not be close enough of a match in his mind that he ought to go ahead and get them to give them a try. There's a scientific pursuit here as well to find out what does and does not work, and to explore the ranges of operation.
Referring back to the test he did a couple of days ago in remagnetizing his iron stator magnet with neodymium magnets, he said, "the Neo magnets worked, but not like how I liked it."
A few days ago he went back to the place that had been remagnetizing his stator magnet and talked to the guy in charge, who was not at all inclined to help out with the project by continuing to remagnetize his stator magnet. He said that the machine is very expensive to run and intended for paying commercial contracts. It is used to magnetize magnets used in CNC lathes, to hold things in position. He was dubious about what running that little magnet in his state-of-the-art machine might do to the equipment. He did give a couple of referrals of others in the area who might be able to do this for Mylow, but when Mylow checked with the referred parties, they declined to help.
He's in process of documenting his re-assembly of the unit, taking video as he goes, and uploading them to YouTube.
In looking at the HJ motor photo some more, he said he noticed that HJ's stator magnet is higher than he has his.
He commented on CLaNZer's replication and commended him on the work he's doing. He noted that the stator magnet is quite a departure, and he'll be interested to see if it works.
Mylow's goal for himself is to end up with a self-starter, so that he doesn't have to do anything with the rotor to get it to begin spinning other than to bring the stator into position.
Sterling
@ sterlinga , you had me at "CNC", sounds like the plant is producing mags for servo motors. Steppers use triangles, so servo motors it is, like as i RC cars that use servos, etc... Just wanna point that out, if you find the "standard" polarity for high quality servo motors you will have your FEMM info. Thanx 13
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Latest#March_28.2C_2009
Note addition of permeability plate.
embeded at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Videos#Assembly_Instructions_.2F_Sequence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0adKZ7q1Qg - nearly dead magnets still have some weird movements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVwkb-5JVI0 - Video that shows the aluminum disk spinning and its flatness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6j3XsUoITY - rebuild of the magnet motor; placement of the first three magnets. Magnet bar used for spacing. Not exact, "okay".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lTl_Wvs0MY - permeability plate added to one set of seven equally-spaced rotor magnets, "just like Howard Johnson has in his motor".
CLaNZeR runs a wind-down test and shows his rotor magnet placement.
Or find a servo motor near the diameter mylow used, and you have your stator mag from the original vids, I'll c what i can dig up !
@ Clazer, Thnx
as far as companies that are willing to do what mylows is not , i found this place
http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:YLYzCE1e3CMJ:www.servorepair.com/why_choose.htm+remagnetize+service&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
and they say this
Why do we re-magnetize all motors?
It is important to understand that once a servomotor, stepper motor or tachometer has been taken apart for repair, it will usually not work properly again until the magnetism is restored to its proper level.
The signs of weak magnets or improper magnetism are low torque, high current and/or intermittent failures. We know how to solve these problems for you. We have the drivers and the fixtures necessary to re-magnetize almost any motor you send us. If a fixture does not exist, we will design and build one to do the job. We don't just re-magnetize a motor and hope it's right. We have the test equipment necessary to do the complete job. We check the flux density and pattern throughout the total magnet assembly to insure that you get the maximum torque the motor was designed to produce.*
So, looks as tho all mylow had to do was send his build to this place and they will make it all better!, Thanx Gnite
I ran a couple of experiments today. Since I haven't been able to find the channel magnets I put together groupings of magnets made by sandwitching a neo between two pieces of bar stock I purchased at Home Depot. The bar stock was 1/4 and 3/8 square in 1" lengths. I set up a 1 1/4" X 3/4" U shape magnet on the rotor. One note is this was run on Plexiglas, not aluminum.
With the set up as described by Mylow I got the expected kick in one direction and the rotor was blocked in the opposite direction. Magnet spacing in relation to the U-shaped magnet length made a huge difference in how well it worked. Also, the U-shaped magnet face for N & S is .308" wide. The 1/4" magnets worked better then the 3/8". Based on the results I got today it looks like the stator magnet face width needs to be wider then the rotor maginets.
Since I am seeing the rotation with the incomplete setup I had today on plexiglas I think I will finish the setup to and hopefully will see the full rotation. Three and four magnet setup gets just about a full rotation on very bad bearings.
Quote from: JRHall on March 29, 2009, 12:45:47 AM
I ran a couple of experiments today. Since I haven't been able to find the channel magnets I put together groupings of magnets made by sandwitching a neo between two pieces of bar stock I purchased at Home Depot. The bar stock was 1/4 and 3/8 square in 1" lengths. I set up a 1 1/4" X 3/4" U shape magnet on the rotor. One note is this was run on Plexiglas, not aluminum.
With the set up as described by Mylow I got the expected kick in one direction and the rotor was blocked in the opposite direction. Magnet spacing in relation to the U-shaped magnet length made a huge difference in how well it worked. Also, the U-shaped magnet face for N & S is .308" wide. The 1/4" magnets worked better then the 3/8". Based on the results I got today it looks like the stator magnet face width needs to be wider then the rotor maginets.
Since I am seeing the rotation with the incomplete setup I had today on plexiglas I think I will finish the setup to and hopefully will see the full rotation. Three and four magnet setup gets just about a full rotation on very bad bearings.
JR, Mylow indicated exactly what you observed regarding the width of the stator in relation to the rotors in this recent video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhBevG5Sz8&feature=channel_page Excellent that you validated this effect.
CLaNZeR -
Great to see you replicating this. I (and I'm sure MANY others) look forward to your results! Thanks for all you do!!!
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As to remagnetizing the stator:
Using neos stuck to the stator for a time - say overnight - should offer reasonable results.
For example: take an N42 neo and force a small ceramic magnet in repulsion to the face of it. Once contact is made, the ceramic magnet will actually 'flip' its poles so that it is now in attraction rather than repulsion. (basically 'remagnetizing it in the opposite polarity)
There are numerous ways one might orientate the neos to the stator magnet to remagnetize. Attached is a pic of some examples.
#1 would be a good one to try, but may not produce the desired field. #2 may be better, but it's harder to get a magnet of the desired dimensions with the poles through the length rather than the width/thickness.
Trying different arrangements of the neos to the stator and observing the fields produced should results in the desired fields at some point.
(edit: Summary: as Mylow stated his attempt to remagnetize his stator with neos was unsatisfactory, it may just require a different orientation and/or size/strength of the neos. how/what arrangment did he use? Magnet size/strength etc. etc.)
(sterlinga - might you pass these thoughts on to Mylow on remagnetizing his stator?)
Any other recommendations/orientations on this?
Any FEMM simulations that would show this/assist this?
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Of interest (IMO) is the ongoing attempts to 'rig' neos into a similar stator field... please keep posting ideas/tests/results.
A neo driven device shouldn't demagnetize (at least so easily) and should offer greater torque meaning a more useful device. (that is IF the effect isn't ONLY due to the stator demagnetizing)
Quote from: BEP on March 28, 2009, 04:27:21 PM
So, if this is a problem, and you know the actual pole configuration, you just wind a coil around it. Hit the thing with a high amp pulse of DC and it is back in service.
Hey BEP, great idea. Building your own magnetizer should be easy. Start with 120 VAC fed through a 1N4943 diode to charge a 300uF 200V DC capacitor through a momentary pushbutton labeled "charge". Another momentary high current switch labeled "Magnetize" would dump the capacitors charge into a ten turn, 14-16 gauge, wire coil. The coil should wound just big enough to go around the end of the magnet. Of course, with the high voltage capacitor involved, building this circuit into a properly insulated case would be essential. Adding a fuse and a 1 to 5 Meg ohm bleeder resistor across the capacitor would also be a good addition for safety.
P.S. For those tempted to build this circuit:
Don't build this circuit unless you are familiar with proper high voltage safety procedures!
Here is a new Video of Howard Johnson´s linear magnet track
accelerator gate:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7119
Check it out, it is just great !
Regards, Stefan.
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CNC lathe chuck magnets can be anything from a simple doughnut shape to a segmented doughnut pattern. These are used in production machines for working on smaller piece parts like disc brake rotors and almost anything thing else that may be mass produced.
Platen magnets may be used to hold the tool instead. They can be almost any shape.
In either case, the magnetization method is more complex than applying a magnetic field to the dead magnet. It usually involves freezing or heating the steel to be magnetized. The polarization patterns can be an alternating one - better holding force.
If you watch Discovering Magnetism you can see more of that, you will also see how the trio measured the magnetic field around magnets. The ignorance is so high that this simple procedure of just placing a probe at 1.000's of points in space around the magnet and measuring strength and direction of the field has not been redone. Compared to their technology everything is better and faster in our current time. With the right equipment you get the field 100 times faster than they did back in their days. Which allows you to really understand why the HJ's tracks and motor works instead of just foolishly replicating it.
Quote from: derricka on March 29, 2009, 01:53:39 AM
Hey BEP, great idea. Building your own magnetizer should be easy. Start with 120 VAC fed through a 1N4943 diode to charge a 300uF 200V DC capacitor through a momentary pushbutton labeled "charge". Another momentary high current switch labeled "Magnetize" would dump the capacitors charge into a ten turn, 14-16 gauge, wire coil. The coil should wound just big enough to go around the end of the magnet. Of course, with the high voltage capacitor involved, building this circuit into a properly insulated case would be essential. Adding a fuse and a 1 to 5 Meg ohm bleeder resistor across the capacitor would also be a good addition for safety.
P.S. For those tempted to build this circuit:
Don't build this circuit unless you are familiar with proper high voltage safety procedures!
@derricka
Nice work but I would never use house current or suggest it. Too many folks will just cut a cord off their wife's hair drier with shocking results. :o
My thoughts on this:
Low DC voltage from a large battery is better.
The coil wrapped around the magnet must be considered carefully. I am sure turns around one end will not work well. The coils would probably cover most of the magnet.
Your circuit should work.
The old gas bag that taught me about field flashing instructed using a battery. He said flashing will not work unless you draw a spark when you open the circuit. It didn't take me long to believe him. He wasn't teaching me about re magnetizing small magnets but I think it applies.
Quote from: broli on March 29, 2009, 07:38:24 AM
If you watch Discovering Magnetism you can see more of that, you will also see how the trio measured the magnetic field around magnets. The ignorance is so high that this simple procedure of just placing a probe at 1.000's of points in space around the magnet and measuring strength and direction of the field has not been redone. Compared to their technology everything is better and faster in our current time. With the right equipment you get the field 100 times faster than they did back in their days. Which allows you to really understand why the HJ's tracks and motor works instead of just foolishly replicating it.
Your statement is incredibly true. If the academics would repeat the tests THEY would rewrite the books, and FEMM.
HALL effect sensors are great tools. I've suggested their use here many times. No takers that I know of.
Will someone glance at this?
I'm not sure this adds to the debate, but it is an odd setup, if it actually works:
http://break.com/index/perputual-energy-light-bulb.html
The obvious objection is that he is pumping energy into the system with the motion of his
stationary magnet (in the style of the old Minato video), but he isn't moving his magnet very
much.
If genuine, is there anything to be learnt for the Mylow development?
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 29, 2009, 10:00:39 AM
Will someone glance at this?
I'm not sure this adds to the debate, but it is an odd setup, if it actually works:
http://break.com/index/perputual-energy-light-bulb.html
The obvious objection is that he is pumping energy into the system with the motion of his
stationary magnet (in the style of the old Minato video), but he isn't moving his magnet very
much.
If genuine, is there anything to be learnt for the Mylow development?
Paul.
The YouTube version of that was posted on OU a couple of months ago. It was thoroughly debunked by the "energy imparted by the moving hand/hidden hairdryer/something under the table/radioactive matches" crowd.
I would build it but I don't have radioactive matches.
Yes, like fields attracting/unlike fields repelling when perpendicular, aluminum (aluminum flake/particles used as coloring during injection molding) and odd fields from the stator magnet ---- opinion only.
BEP
Video of my first impressions of a Stator Magnet up against the Disk
In the video I said TWO magnet Spacing between the sets of 3. That was meant to be THREE magnet spacing, but could not be bothered to do the video again LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYWBXPVSO4
Cheers
Sean.
well done clanzer....
it ~ seems ~ that if you can manage a 3/4 sequence or a 3/1/3 with the disk moving itself, that should be repeatable all the way around the disk, beating the sticky spot as long as the spacing is correct. So the video appears to be good news with your different stators. But hey, what do I know!
gosh I wish I was in the room with you - so many things to try!
this sure beats watching golf all day!
@CLaNZeR
Hats off to you sir. Good work. You have your wheel and now you can play.lol
May I just point out a few things I see there.
Mylows' stator is north/south on left and right and not off the two protrusions. You may be inclined to try a straight magnet having the same north/south coming off the length.
The rotor offers a set finite and fixed flux field availability and the variable is the stator. Seems your stator is fixed much higher then Mylows'.
Regardless of the above, maybe the main object at this stage is to manually hold the stator in many angles and distances from the rotor so as to reproduce the actual weak flux exchange between the stator and the rotor as per Mylows' videos.
Anyways, this week I will hopefully have my wheel so I can play too. lol
Great work.
Mylow has posted a new video.
No hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COu4lY78ao
Quote from: ellubpt on March 29, 2009, 12:38:23 PM
Mylow has posted a new video.
No hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COu4lY78ao
Excellent work.
You're a Saint Mylow.....Cheers!
.99
Guys,
The experiments I ran yesterday convinced me the magnetic gate in Mylows design is real. I had resistance going into the gate but it has quite a kick going out that is much more then energy required to overcome the initial resistance. I don't know yet how this will translate to a full rotation. I have about 50 pieces of steel to cut first. It also may be that the aluminum plays a part in the design working better. Also, I'm building on plexiglas.
Don't know if Mylows design has much torque or can output anything related to horsepower. But those are questions for after replication, a number of DOE's and a bunch of engineering.
So for those of you who are speculating and taring apart the videos but haven't gotten your hands dirty yet, give it a try. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money and you may just learn something you can share with the rest of us.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 29, 2009, 01:03:58 PM
He has the impression he's showing who knows what, while what he's showing is trivial. He needs to show the rotor, while in full view, making full turns when started the way he shows it in the video. Until he shows that his exercise deserves no attention.
Yes, Omnibus!
Btw, I like your new image of being a "reasonable" pearson! (although I wouldn't call you a skeptic like Mylow did, hehe...)
Saint Mylow? ;)
Jeeez...
Ooops.
HJ motors and similar stuff is not a novelty (you all know this), although this "Mylow" contraptions seems rather unique (i like the way he placed rotor magnets...) Randomize, eh? ;D
I remember seeing similar "PMMs" on scans made from super 8, VHS tapes,.. years ago. The magnets were usually placed more orderly, still in a groups of 3 to 6,7, and even more..
The main point is a magnetomechanical interaction between "small and big, or hard and soft" magnets, ... The "BH" curves, "non-closed bh loops or magnetizing/demagnetizing cycles, etc... I'd say the "trick" is in soft nature (low coercivity and remanence) of an Iron stator magnet... (just IMHO)
Which during the "operation slowly looses strength".. And later needs to be (re)magnetized again. Aha...
OK, still interesting, it seems like a kind of "magnetic battery".
Hmm, care to make an energy balance
estimate for in/out? At least a hundreds of kiloJoules (normally MegaJoules pulses) are necessary to revive a dead magnet.
So, for how many hours should such a disk with magnets, mass,... turns, to claim even Unity?
In those few pages I read here, I saw some people were (correctly) linking this "phenomenon" with Steorn's work. Funny, they claimed their "bad magnet" gained strenght in time (still the process stopped, too).
So, there must be something special happening... I hope.
We'll see...
Cheers!
P.S. Is filming a decent presentation (showing the workability of the revolutionary device with as less distractions and faults as possible) really such a difficult work?
Hey, I'm just asking...
Final Video from me for this weekend, because as usual working away and back home on the Friday.
Was a good day, but the only stator that showed anything near moving as per Mylow's was the first one.
Will work on getting some Stator magnets this week that are closer to Mylow's.
Anyway last video as said above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HPMy8MjCA4
Oh and to a couple of people on this thread.
Why the fuck are you here?. If this stuff is not possible and it is set in stone for you, then why the hell are you even in these forums?
Let the Nerds be the Nerds and do what they want to do. I do not like painting pictures of Fruit, but I do not visit the Fruit Painters forums and examine the reasons why they are doing it, let alone sit there questioning their reasons why.
That is their choice, so I will leave them alone in their little world to do what they enjoy. I have no right to barge in there and start slagging off their enjoyment of what they are doing.
Cheers
Sean.
@Clanzer
Ditto that and then some.
Just saw your video with thanks. I only mentioned about the stator field not being the same because I think somewhere you had mentioned that the polarities came off the end of the protrusions whereas we can clearly see they are coming off each end. Good to know. Thanks and have a good week.
@Mylow
Thanks for your last video. But please, please do not worry about all the guys here that say all this is a joke. Just leave them be. You have done all you can do and we thank you immensely for all the attention and videos. Now it is the turn of replicators. @Clanzer already has his wheel and is lucky to be working on it. I hope to have mine by end of next week. There are surely others that will have their wheel and between all of us, I am sure we will be able to reproduce your effects soon enough. Don't forget you have been working on this for a long time and we have only started or yet to start so be patient.
Just found this little gem at Ace Hardware. Don't think anybody has mentioned this one. 1 3/16" length across the poles, 1" wide, 1" deep.
Alnico horseshoe. PN 07270. $10.99. Looks peachy to me!
http://www.magnetsource.com/Consumer%20Pages/Horseshoe_Mags.html
G'day all,
Howard Johnson published a book in 2006 entitled The secret world of magnets. It is still in print as far as I know.
However, there is a copy of it on the net in pdf form. I don't know if this breaches copyright laws, I should think so, but never mind. It is fascinating and amongst other things explains the construction and workings of his gate.
You will find it here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson?autodown=pdf Well worth the read.
Hans von Lieven
So I got an email from Mylow today. I asked him personally to put the 10 minutes video up so we all get that "good enough evidence" to satisfy the more inquisitive people of this forum and possibly release potential members here to work even harder on this problem and get this device out as soon as possible.
I DO believe in OU and I even think Bearden has a good theory to explain and reconcile that (with thermodynamics ammendements to the law) with current know science. If I did not believe I would not spend hours, days and months creating stupid experiments, making videos and publishing them on youtube so others can laugh at me for free. I got my share of scorns from others too. But I still continue...
Mylow answered:
"when i get a stronger stator i will ok please understand that this stator is very week now so even if i got the motor working agian it wont spin due to that weak stator magnet"
So i guess we will have to wait for him to get his machine back into working mode again.
Fausto.
@ Hans Thanks for the reading
@Omnibus, don't feel bad, I got blocked yesterday, and I supported the guy!
@ Clanzer, thanks for the videos and the f-bombs
@Mylow, thanks for your latest videos
@all, them chinese folk make a really good magnet...more to come
@CLaNZeR,
good work man!
Would you be willing to share where you got those magnets from so that I can purchase them too and start experimenting? If possible, even the wheel that you have?
Fausto.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 29, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Howard Johnson published a book in 2006 entitled The secret world of magnets. It is still in print as far as I know.
I don't know if this breaches copyright laws
Hi Hans -
I posted this file in the downloads section here last week, so you can easily download from here (without having to signup for scribd etc.)
It is a great read and offers some unique theories on magnets.
There is no copyright listed anywhere in the document.
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg164995#msg164995
New file posted in downloads:
Howard Johnson: Secret World of Magnets
I uploaded a 45 page .pdf by Howard Johnson (2.5 MB)
It discusses magnetic gates, vortices within a magnet, details of his 'banana' curved/cupped magnets etc.
Some different and interesting magnet theory is presented and worth the read.
(click this link to go to the download)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item251
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 29, 2009, 06:06:34 PM
It does not matter what we all do in life, it should be respected as that is our right to do crazy stuff without hurting others, when we want to without being judged.
Cheers
Sean.
Good on you Sean, This has my vote any time of the day ;D
Hans
Quote from: plengo on March 29, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
@CLaNZeR,
good work man!
Would you be willing to share where you got those magnets from so that I can purchase them too and start experimenting? If possible, even the wheel that you have?
Fausto.
Hi Fausto
Okay, just for you mate
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product/magnet-materials/cast-alnico/minor
Part number M4144ANK at £0.90 each
You can now see how my layout fits with the 8mm wide Rotor magnets I have.
The stators are E824 the closest I could get to Mylow's at the time
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product-categories/magnets/castalnicomagnets/buttons
The Rotor I got a CNC shop in UK to do for me. Are you in the UK?
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: TheNOP on March 29, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
i don't know for the others.
i am here because i wanted to believe.
the problem is what my eyes are seeing in the various videos.
Ex:
one video show a counter weight and the disk rotate clock wise.
that disk was not at level, to me, as i noticed that it got a tendency to move by itself at some point.
no, it was not when near the magnets.
an other video, on same table, without the counter weight, rotate counter clock wise.
clearly, to me, and some other have noticed it too, that disk is not at level.
it exhibit the reverse of the previous video, that lead me to think that the stator magnet is weaker then the gravity pull on the rotor magnets.
hopefully you will prove me wrong and that what i noticed have no effect at all on this device
Hi NOP
I also have seen a number of anomalies in Mylow's video's and you are right to check them out.
All part of the ride :)
Cheers
Sean.
It seems in my searching around for magnets that the most important component to be able to source cheaply will be the rotor magnet, since there are so many of them in the device.
Every alnico I've seen that comes close to Mylow's size that is in stock are way too expensive to be feasible for an open source project that needs to be affordable.
I would like to try for something along the lines of what was posted the other day:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Variants
alnico 5 vs neo40 + 1006 steel
The question is one of sourcing here:
Where might I get little chunks of 1006 steel that would match up with a small magnet, to mimic the shape of the alnico channel magnet?
I'd like to target a price of $1 per rotor magnet equivalent.
Suggestions?
I'd even be willing to try something 2x bigger in magnet size than what Mylow used, as long as I can find a stator magnet that meets the criteria he described the other day: long enough to span two rotor magnets and their gaps and overlap onto the third rotor magnet.
I would appreciate it if one of you could point me to a set of materials that will match up.
We have people in the San Francisco area who could most likely machine the rotor disc part, if only we can find the magnets.
I so much want to have one of these Mylow motors running to set in front of the San Jose University group we'll be presenting to on Thursday night.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Events:Breakthrough_Power_March_30_-_April_2%2C_2009
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on March 29, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
Where might I get little chunks of 1006 steel that would match up with a small magnet, to mimic the shape of the alnico channel magnet?
McMaster-Carr is one of the few, easy sources for 1006 steel. It is reasonable priced and comes in many dimensions. If you go with 1018 steel etc., there are many more sources.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#steel/=17ur45
(edit: other 1018 steel online suppliers in order of preference but McMaster is good too:)
http://www.speedymetals.com
http://www1.mscdirect.com
http://www.grainger.com
http://www.onlinemetals.com
http://www.metalsdepot.com/
Studying Howard Johnson's book The secret world of magnets I came across the drawing below. It shows the magnetic orientation of the C shaped magnets he was so fond of. Surprisingly they are not magnetised like a horseshoe magnet.
Of Significance? I don't know. Worth knowing though.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 29, 2009, 06:17:36 PM
Hi Fausto
Okay, just for you mate
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product/magnet-materials/cast-alnico/minor
Part number M4144ANK at £0.90 each
You can now see how my layout fits with the 8mm wide Rotor magnets I have.
The stators are E824 the closest I could get to Mylow's at the time
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product-categories/magnets/castalnicomagnets/buttons
The Rotor I got a CNC shop in UK to do for me. Are you in the UK?
Cheers
Sean.
Did you buy direct from Eclipse?, I don`t see any prices on their website.
@Hans, very good observation, I believe this pole position is what mylow claimed his magnets to have in his first vids ( since removed). hence the whole comotion of pole position.
@ X00013,
It does seem to make more sense though, doesn't it?
Hans
Hi folks, not much into the drama but the replications and hard core info are great. I just wanted to post a pic of my rotor assembly and let you all know that the vcr double bearing rocks! it is really rigid and it just keeps on spinning. I tried to time it like clanzer did but my battery powered laser tach doesnt work on the low rpms.Looking forward to the new info & replications. BTW nice work clanzer.
@ Sterlinga, By thursday nite in Cali? U R insane on the membrane. Call Mylow, fly 'm out with his build. I'll buy a round trip ticket for him if he post a vid with it running for 30 seconds.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 29, 2009, 06:51:11 PM
@ X00013,
It does seem to make more sense though, doesn't it?
Hans
@ HANS, from the start, i have followed everthing ( since mylows first post ). I believe Mylow claimed the poles of HIS stator magnets to be the same as HJ's, not knowing HIS were horse shoe poles. So in short, as he preaches from the book of HJ, he may in fact figured somthing out by accident.
@ chaser
Looks good, whats ur tube handle?
x00013 I dont have one yet, Im at a bit of a stand still till I can figure out what magnets to use.
Quote from: X00013 on March 29, 2009, 05:56:52 PM
@ Clanzer, thanks for the videos and the f-bombs
Didn't know thats what they were called !
Lol
Quote from: queue on March 29, 2009, 07:42:59 PM
Didn't know thats what they were called !
Lol
@Que, I know ur buulidng, post a vid already
Son of a... All the pizza pans were magnetic. Welp. There goes my plans of buying all my stuff locally.
Well. Maybe there a local machine shop that might have aluminum they can cut for me.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on March 29, 2009, 09:09:18 PM
Son of a... All the pizza pans were magnetic. Welp. There goes my plans of buying all my stuff locally.
Well. Maybe there a local machine shop that might have aluminum they can cut for me.
Aluminum water heater drip pans.....
They are thin but 24 inches in diameter and good quality metal. You'll need to stiffen them with something.
Lowes - Menards - etc.
About 12 bucks.
edit: removed
@sterlinga
Regarding the rotor magnets, I have seen somewhere that the particular size magnet has a 1 pound pull strength. Is it possible that the next time you communicate with Mylow that you ask if he can simply weigh some iron metal and see how much lift there is with one rotor magnet. This would provide us with a direct flux strength relationship especially for me that will be using standard iron stock with a neo placed inside the center. I just want to make sure that the result will not be overdone and wind up with rotor magnets that have 10 pounds pull strength. lol
Quote from: X00013 on March 29, 2009, 07:52:43 PM
@Que, I know ur buulidng, post a vid already
When i ordered my magnets the UPS guy told me that for a tad extra , they could guarantee delivery on April 1 st.
Afterwords i realized what day that was !
Advantages of C.O.D .. ? .. priceless.
:)
A plexiglass disc with industrial velcro around the edge might be a more affordable alternative to CNC'd aluminum and glue, and would allow easy adjustment of the rotor magnets. Industrial velcro is a bit different than the regular stuff, it gives a flat connection and you don't have to worry about movement or tilting.
Quote from: JRHall on March 29, 2009, 02:36:09 PM
Guys,
The experiments I ran yesterday convinced me the magnetic gate in Mylows design is real. I had resistance going into the gate but it has quite a kick going out that is much more then energy required to overcome the initial resistance. ...
Congratulations JR. A nice bit of confirmatory evidence.
Keep up the good work JR (appropriate initials for new oil, eh! 8) ) and let us have more dispatches from the front.
Quote from: nyctuber on March 30, 2009, 01:30:00 AM
A plexiglass disc with industrial velcro around the edge might be a more affordable alternative to CNC'd aluminum and glue, and would allow easy adjustment of the rotor magnets. Industrial velcro is a bit different than the regular stuff, it gives a flat connection and you don't have to worry about movement or tilting.
Sounds like a good idea.
Mylow has another video up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZEWF6BsDsM&feature=channel_page
Quote from: carbonc_cc on March 30, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Mylow has another video up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZEWF6BsDsM&feature=channel_page
I'm pretty sure this has been suggested before. If it's so hard to find such magnetized magnets why doesn't he just make his own. Take two arc pieces of iron or w/e and put a regular magnet between them and you have the poles Howard Johnson used. See below. This way you don't have to worry too much about demagnetization as the rotor field mainly interacts with the iron pieces and the middle magnet is very cheap.
Another temporary solution would be to wind a small coil around the middle of his stator magnet and power it with small DC current.
In that way one would not have the problem of having different dimensions of a new one, besides it's a handy way of determining what the magnetic strength window will be for this setup to work (by trying different coil currents).
The question remains how we can help MYLOW with this. He might need some help from us for such solution.
I'm not exactly sure the magnets HJ used were really banana shaped magnets. It looks like they have protrusions on each end creating more of a horseshoe magnet.
Actually in that video he says those are banana shaped and the thing attached to their ends are neodymium magnets to strengthen the whole even more. So the banana shape acts as a channel to "kill" off a pole like you can see in the below simulation. So this concept can and probably should be used as well.
@broli
I have been considering this also in my own build but am having some doubts because if I use a center magnet, what I am worried about is exactly the field that will still be possibly too strong in the cavity at the blotch wall, since the true north and south is where the magnet ends and not where the metal extensions will end. The question is will the metal extension ends extend the total field and dilute the blotch wall enough to make it seem like a one piece magnet. I have seen one comparison graphics of this but do nto know how trustworthy such a rendition could be.
Greetings All
This might help with magnet/steel manipulations and may be adaptable for the Howard Johnson problem. I just posted this test on Youtube so every body can see. I had sent a copy to CLaNZeR a few months ago, but now I am releasing it. If you want to just talk on this, I will open another string.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QrHBznljs&feature=channel_page
This is what I wrote on the page.
>>Here is a magnet reaction test in a small wheel using steel to redirect the effects of the magnets. Note the acceleration after passing the larger steel plate. All the magnets are facing north to north indicated my the little arrows. Now this is only one of many test that I have done. I hope someone can use this. <<
@wattsup
Hi
I have all component to replicate Mylow HJ motor accept Neo channel magnet, do you know where I can buy ?
Please find attached copy for stator magnet which I am planning to use .....
regards
Chow
Hi all, I'm new here.
This is a rather long thread :P so excuse me if You already know about this page:
http://www.keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm
HJ's motor is mentioned half down the page.
I find all of it rather interesting, maybe it can help someone.
/Hob Nilre
Quote from: steve_chow on March 30, 2009, 03:08:23 PM
@wattsup
Hi
I have all component to replicate Mylow HJ motor accept Neo channel magnet, do you know where I can buy ?
Please find attached copy for stator magnet which I am planning to use .....
regards
Chow
These are the kind of magnets Howard was using. Where on Earth did you get those from?
Hans von Lieven
Hi
I made these magnet in China 3 years ago when try to replicate HJ motor but failed...
regards
Chow
G'day Chow,
Wonderful job.
I wonder though how real Howard Johnson was. Between 1980 up to his death in 2008 (aged 89) Howard tried to get his motor to run. He was extremely well funded as he had sold licenses to his motor all over the place. Tom Bearden, who was working with Howard for much of this time is quoted as saying that Howard had his magnets manufactured in China and bought them in $ 50,000.- lots.
Whenever Howard failed he blamed the magnets, stating they had to be manufactured to extremely tight tolerances.
You would have thought that with all the help he got and all the funds he had at his disposal he would have turned out something worthwhile in all this time.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 30, 2009, 03:53:56 PM
G'day Chow,
Wonderful job.
I wonder though how real Howard Johnson was. Between 1980 up to his death in 2008 (aged 89) Howard tried to get his motor to run. He was extremely well funded as he had sold licenses to his motor all over the place. Tom Bearden, who was working with Howard for much of this time is quoted as saying that Howard had his magnets manufactured in China and bought them in $ 50,000.- lots.
Whenever Howard failed he blamed the magnets, stating they had to be manufactured to extremely tight tolerances.
You would have thought that with all the help he got and all the funds he had at his disposal he would have turned out something worthwhile in all this time.
Hans von Lieven
The fact that not a single university to date has even did the simple measurement of taking 1000's of sample points around a magnet to measure its field shows how ignorant mankind is. Iron filings...REALLY? It's an insult to technology. On the other hand his double rings he found does not make sense to me from an attraction/repulsion stand point ;D. According to his measurements and drawings, attraction between like poles should be observed and repulsion between unlike poles. This makes no sense to me as we know that this doesn't happen. I have my own understanding of magnetic fields that I will try to exploit. The idea behind it is very simple. Every magnet can be modeled as one single or more current circuit. Then using Ampere's forgotten force law you can measure what would happen between these circuits. A friend will help me write some software to visualize these Ampérian forces. Because they are not easy to calculate as you have to divide the circuits in small pieces called current elements.
@ Hans von Lieven
Mylow replication looks real,
but again i have to convice myself with my won replication.
so now I am try to find Channel magnet for rotor , may be I have to get it from China...
please find my rotor Assembly for HJ motor,
now I am thinking install 1/4' bar magnet around circumference of the rotor with 2 circle..with 1/2' apart...
using same pattern as Mr.Mylow but on drum instead of disk.
Any advice will be helpfull...
regards
Chow
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 29, 2009, 06:37:57 PM
Studying Howard Johnson's book The secret world of magnets I came across the drawing below. It shows the magnetic orientation of the C shaped magnets he was so fond of. Surprisingly they are not magnetised like a horseshoe magnet.
Of Significance? I don't know. Worth knowing though.
Hans von Lieven
Also depicted in Science, spring 1980: http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg47.html
Yes, same orientation, not C shaped though.
Hans von Lieven
I spoke with Mylow this morning,
He has his rotor magnets put back on the disc.
He said that even though his iron stator magnet is very weak, it still turns the rotor a few revolutions.
I encouraged him to shoot a video.
He's very anxious to find a good stator magnet.
I suggested that if people want to send him magnets to try in the stator position, of different sizes, strength, that they could send them to me, and I can forward them on to him.
He said that would be fine. He'd be glad to give them a whirl.
Here's my address:
Mylow Magnet
c/o PES Network, Inc.
4157 N. West Pinion Cir.
Eagle Mountain, UT 84005
1-801-407-1292
I'm going to be gone until Friday, but my wife said she could forward them while I'm gone.
If you want to send some $ to cover postage, you can send it by PayPal to orders@pureenergysystems.com , or include a check in the box.
I ordered the following from www.allmagnetics.com and had them shipped to Mylow to arrive by the end of the day Wednesday
HS90 and HS811N
Sterling
I don't know what the big deal is with the stator magnet.
When we were kids we played around with magnets a lot. Since we didn't have any money we made our own. We took a piece of steel and a strong magnet borrowed from somewhere and simply stroked the steel with one pole of the magnet over and over again always in the same direction. See drawing below.
After a while the steel bar turned into quite a passable magnet. There was no obvious depletion in the master magnet even after we made dozens of them.
Since we are dealing with fairly weak magnets anyway why does Mylow not re-energise his stator magnet the same way?
Hans von Lieven
The following image is a HS811N or very close.
From what I can tell it's about 0.14" longer than MyLow's iron stator magnet.
The compass doesn't really show the pole coming off the edge in this magnet as opposed to what MyLow showed with his.
The pole seems to be coming off some where in between the tangent line of the radius and the edge.
If I get a rig built I'll do some field strength measurements with my gauss meter.
Take care.
nap
Here is a good resource on magnets, choose catalog7 here;
http://www.magnetsales.com/Info_R2.htm
@steve_chow
I am not ready yet to answer that "sticky" question.
I have asked Mylow on his last Utube video to try and do a test to lift as much iron as he can with his rotor magnet to at least get an idea on pull strength. May not be the best scientific way but could not figure out anything simpler or more precise.
If you look on page 49 of the above catalog, you will notice their channel magnets have pull going from 10 to 85 pounds. I want to wait and see if Mylow can give us an idea on his pull number.
There are so many types and sizes. One has something but lacks something else. One main criteria that I am looking at is the distance between the protrusions or the length of the cavity. The cavity has to be pronounced and in many offerings, the cavity is way to short to emulate Mylows. So I am still out on the rotor magnet question.
So there is the question of rotor magnet dimensions, cavity length and pull force and maybe once these have been decided then and only then can all these determine the actual wheel diameter and magnet spacings. If there are any math guys here that can work out Mylows' rotor magnet and wheel relationships to come up with some magical formula, then this could be used to make any sized wheel. Hmmmm.
But I could not resist and just found a nice aluminum pizza pan 15.5" in diameter ($13cdn) that I will use as a first start build. I know it is smaller then Mylows by 2" but I will compensate with less rotor sets. I am plotting the positioning for that. I will probably use the lower part of a swivel office chair legs and shaft as the base. Like I said I want to approach this with baby steps and learn all the way through.
As for the stators you made, if they are magnetized through the length, they look really great and as Hans has said, like the HJ. I have tried to find stator magnets and have not found them yet. I am inclined to think that the most realistic ready made stator magnet will be a good size horseshoe magnet that I will have to cut the stems down to size to have a more wider field spread and still have that north/south through the width.
So I am still out on final choices. If Mylow can give us an idea on pull force of the rotor, this will give me a final direction.
wattups
Quote from: nilrehob on March 30, 2009, 03:14:23 PM
http://www.keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm
I find all of it rather interesting, maybe it can help someone.
now i have the answares to my questions.
thanks.
good studies replicaters.
A suggestion to Mylow to 'repair' his stator magnet in a simple way:
Just stick a small magnet at the back of the iron, in the center, north facing one end of the horseshoe, south facing the other end of the horseshoe iron.
I think this will extend the north and south pole to the end of the demagnetized iron
See attached pdf to explain my suggestion by a drawing of this principle
It's not particularily interesting, but here's the first step of my replication.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlruIyReRQ
Andrew
That's an interesting trick Robbie, & thanks for sharing it, but didn't MYLOW say that his stator mags are polarized with the "N" at the open ends of the "U" or "C" ; with the closed "wide" end being "South" (.. so both forks of the "U" are "North's") ?
Quote from: jibbguy on March 30, 2009, 05:51:07 PM
That's an interesting trick Robbie, & thanks for sharing it, but didn't MYLOW say that his stator mags are polarized with the "N" at the open ends of the "U" or "C" ; with the closed "wide" end being "South" (.. so both forks of the "U" are "North's") ?
I am not sure about that. But in that case, just turn the magnet 90 degrees ;D
Again, attached a pdf that indicates my intended solution (part of the horseshoe will also be North, but this was too hard to draw in a quick way)
[edit] The attached magnet should have similar dimensions as the original horseshoe magnet.
Since Mylow has plenty of space behind this stator magnet that should not be a problem
@wattsup
Hi
thanks for reply...
My stator magnet magnetize through length, I am also trying to replicate Mylow setup...
regards
Chow
Got some more parts.
Aluminum disk (pan)
simple rotor assembly
A real "C" magnet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XYmF2gQsv0
My next 3 videos are currently uploading. They have some quick testing and compass readings.
We had already noticed the winding sound that was also mixed in with the cars and trucks passing by Mylows place while he made that video. We requested that he show the base being taken apart and he did most graciously just to cover all the bases. At this point there is absolutely no basis for any inferences to fakery and any such allusion is purely coming from guys that have not either read this thread, which is long because of all the unnecessary crap or just can't understand that a wheel that made as many turns as Mylows already did is more then enough to show it is not a slated disk or any other form of trickery. The guy is as straight and upfront as anyone could be under the circumstances.
@steve_chow
Nice set-up indeed. Don't forget one major thing about the stator. If I remember correctly Mylow said the stator has to be wide enough to cover two rotors plus two spaces in between the rotors, so the stator is actually riding on two rotors separated by one rotor. If the stator does not work, someone already mentioned a good idea to use two coils that could be mounted on a protractor type angler and by playing with the dc voltage and the angle, this could help find the best stator make-up. If I am mistaken please someone correct me.
Quote from: wattsup on March 30, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
We had already noticed the winding sound that was also mixed in with the cars and trucks passing by Mylows place while he made that video. We requested that he show the base being taken apart and he did most graciously just to cover all the bases. At this point there is absolutely no basis for any inferences to fakery and any such allusion is purely coming from guys that have not either read this thread, which is long because of all the unnecessary crap or just can't understand that a wheel that made as many turns as Mylows already did is more then enough to show it is not a slated disk or any other form of trickery. The guy is as straight and upfront as anyone could be under the circumstances.
@steve_chow
Nice set-up indeed. Don't forget one major thing about the stator. If I remember correctly Mylow said the stator has to be wide enough to cover two rotors plus two spaces in between the rotors, so the stator is actually riding on two rotors separated by one rotor. If the stator does not work, someone already mentioned a good idea to use two coils that could be mounted on a protractor type angler and by playing with the dc voltage and the angle, this could help find the best stator make-up. If I am mistaken please someone correct me.
Wattsup, I think you're referencing this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhBevG5Sz8&feature=channel_page in which Mylow discusses rotor spacing in relation to the stator. If I'm seeing it correctly, it looks like the stator is slightly larger than 2 rotors plus the gap between them.
Here's the relationship between the stator & rotor magnets.
@ nyctuber,
There is no way that Mylow can satisfy his critics with a video. If that were the case Godzilla would be accepted as real. It is just too easy to put something convincingly on film.
The only way for him to come out of this a hero is to have a few people duplicate his results or have some experts test his motor. Even the latter has pitfalls since Howard managed to convince the USPTO with a demonstration.
Once some people replicate his motor his critics will fall silent, but that might be easier said than done.
Personally I wish him luck. I hope he succeeds.
Hans von Lieven
G'day all,
Howard Johnson says in his book "The secret world of magnets":
Quote
For generations, physics students and others have been taught about magnets with iron
filings.
It has been the popular belief of almost anyone with a common knowledge of magnetics
that the pattern made by the filings represents the form and the movement of the magnetic fields.
Today, however, it is quite evident that filings do not show magnetic fields as they are, but
that they show what little pieces of magnets do in magnetic fields. The two are about as much
alike as a Venetian blind and a blind Venetian.
The pieces of iron become little magnets that attract to each other, and are not free moving
particles in the magnetic field, and cannot act as a dye to show where the fields are and what they
look like.
These lines of force, that is, the magnetic fields, are much more complex than most minds
would ever conceive. The concept that is about to be introduced here has been verified through
much research, and will be demonstrated by experiments throughout the book.
He then uses modern mapping techniques to show the magnetic fields very different from what physics teaches.
I agree that there is still much to learn there and that Howard might have discovered something important.
However, he draws the wrong conclusions.
When designing a magnet motor his other magnets will behave like the iron filings in spite of Howard's compelling maps. They will not behave like a computer controlled Hall effect detector.
Perhaps what he has discovered is real and will take on importance somewhere down the line in some other field.
What is clear though is that the magnets happily ignore his field lines and do what they have always done, behave more of less like iron filings.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 31, 2009, 03:59:10 AM
When designing a magnet motor his other magnets will behave like the iron filings in spite of Howard's compelling maps. They will not behave like a computer controlled Hall effect detector.
Perhaps what he has discovered is real and will take on importance somewhere down the line in some other field.
What is clear though is that the magnets happily ignore his field lines and do what they have always done, behave more of less like iron filings.
Hans von Lieven
Agreed, for conventional motor/generator designs.
My first run in with this perception was using iron filings. With a very close look I noticed almost all of them were leaning on one end. This made me understand these 'field lines' were not merely longitudinal lines but had a bit of pitch to them. I think that was in the 70's.
One thing appears common with these PM attempts at OU. The magnets usually have a common perpendicular orientation. With that, my thoughts center on the Bloch wall. The Bloch wall either evaporates or is otherwise not seen when closed magnetic circuits are provided between the poles.
I also find interesting HJ's mention of magnetic bursts. Not long ago magnetic reconnection and the resulting bursts of energy were discovered using satellites. Then there is the coining of the term 'Spintronics' by others with no mention of HJ using the term before them.
It is rather creepy.
I'm hoping I can duplicate this work because I also want a homopolar generator working. Add a shaft and some brushes on the rim and what do you have?
Here are my other 3 videos that uploaded last night.
Handheld Stator magnet layout preliminary testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJKMF_U4CYw&feature=channel_page
Compass Readings:
Stator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRfhMk6730Y&feature=channel
Rotor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHyIRLORqIU&feature=channel
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 31, 2009, 03:36:58 AM
@ nyctuber,
There is no way that Mylow can satisfy his critics with a video. If that were the case Godzilla would be accepted as real. It is just too easy to put something convincingly on film.
The only way for him to come out of this a hero is to have a few people duplicate his results or have some experts test his motor. Even the latter has pitfalls since Howard managed to convince the USPTO with a demonstration.
Once some people replicate his motor his critics will fall silent, but that might be easier said than done.
Personally I wish him luck. I hope he succeeds.
Hans von Lieven
Makes sense to me
Quote from: carbonc_cc on March 31, 2009, 06:24:50 AM
Here are my other 3 videos that uploaded last night.
Handheld Stator magnet layout preliminary testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJKMF_U4CYw&feature=channel_page
Compass Readings:
Stator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRfhMk6730Y&feature=channel
Rotor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHyIRLORqIU&feature=channel
So, it looks like North pole isn't particularly important, and the same effect is happening with side-pole magnets rather than force concentrated in the corner of the stator
Thanks for posting the vids
I'll ask Mylow to ask the re-magnetizer guys how much the usual rate is, and offer to pay that usual rate, and see if they'll agree. I'm confident that the people on the forums would help come up with the cost if it is quite expensive.
At least then we would have a magnet that we know works, and the attempt to find a substitute magnet wouldn't be so Edison-ish, given the short time we have before Thursday.
In the long run, though, that method is not sustainable, because the amount of energy/cost required, and the difficulty of finding re-magnetizers, would make this open source too expensive and difficult for most people to want to play. We need to find materials/sources that are affordable.
Also, even if Mylow offers to pay the going rate for using that machine, I'm guessing that they will decline because Mylow's magnet is so much smaller than what they usually put in their machine, and the boss guy expressed discomfort at the uncertainty about what this might be doing to his machine. e.g. You don't want to run a microwave oven when its essentially empty. Maybe the machine manufacturer would know the ramifications/safety/danger for the machine in this configuration, and could make a suggestion as to whether this would be a problem or not.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: acg_1001
To: mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:44 PM
Subject: [mylow_magmo] Re: Send Mylow Stator Magnets to Test -Yes and remagnetize the old ones
I agree with this. You have the device that runs!
>
>
> Why don't you have the magnet remagnetized like he used to, and then
run
> the set up as it was working.
>
> Ok they will not do for free any more. How much is it to do it? Surely
> Allan, you can help him out and it's a small price to pay as compared
> to the presenting it to th Ivy Leaguers? Lest not forget you will be
> getting as you already noted, 1/3 of the revenue from this device.
>
> I asked this so many time and no reply. Others agreed, it's the
> simplest and most straight forward way towards a running device.
>
> Not sure why the hesitation there? What's the hold up?
>
> Thanks again for all your efforts yours and Mylow's
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com, "Sterling D. Allan" sterlingda@
> wrote:
> >
> > I spoke with Mylow this morning,
[...]
> > He's very anxious to find a good stator magnet.
> >
> > I suggested that if people want to send him magnets to try in the
> stator position, of different sizes, strength, that they could send
them
> to me, and I can forward them on to him.
[...]
> >
> > Sterling
So if I get it right: the stator horse shoe magnet tells the little fake horse shoes to become real, inside polarized ones and the little ones kick back saying, "No we won't be real ones, we stay inside/outside polar 'horse shoes'." Sounds childish but that diamagnetic/magnetic conflct between a stronger and a weaker magnet can apparently make the space energy rush in to restore the original polarization of the rotor magnets. That seems to do the kicking forward here. This is apparently the way to apply the 90 degrees rule. I always doubted that this is possible without further feedback or gravity (second force) involvement, and I have to test this option with a likewise set-up (and you all too). Presently I am engaged with the IPMM 7, but if that turns into frustration, I'll take a look at this option.
If this thing is true, the relativity principle is broken and Einstein is down the drain who based his later theory of general relativity on it. For the First time since Finsrud's artwork we see maybe a genuine replicable example of really a simple way of breaking with the equivalence principle that says that inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same (and thus cancel into stall always with standard friction). The magnetic interaction breaks the equivalence and adds energy (=mass) to the inertial power of the rotor. Astonishing if this is true. Witness the matertialisation process of universal energy, of ether energy! A revolution if we can copy this.... This stonehenge thing is on my tinker-agenda now. Space (energy), the final frontier. Lol! Any successful replications of Mylow's stonehenge-MM yet? For that is the point, talking further won't help, action is the way now.
-my vids: http://www.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar
-my research pages: http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html
-my OU forumpages IPMM: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
Well?
Seems like another completely different approach is promised today
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7134.0;topicseen#lastPost
Of course we are very close to April fools day [these days, not very funny]
However this Man has some wonderful thoughts
@AnandAadhar
So if I get it right: the stator horse shoe magnet tells the little fake horse shoes to become real, inside polarized ones and the little ones kick back saying, "No we won't be real ones, we stay inside/outside polar 'horse shoes'." Sounds childish but that diamagnetic/magnetic conflct between a stronger and a weaker magnet can apparently make the space energy rush in to restore the original polarization of the rotor magnets. That seems to do the kicking forward here. This is apparently the way to apply the 90 degrees rule. I always doubted that this is possible without further feedback or gravity (second force) involvement, and I have to test this option with a likewise set-up (and you all too). Presently I am engaged with the IPMM 7, but if that turns into frustration, I'll take a look at this option.
If this thing is true, the relativity principle is broken and Einstein is down the drain who based his later theory of general relativity on it. For the First time since Finsrud's artwork we see maybe a genuine replicable example of really a simple way of breaking with the equivalence principle that says that inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same (and thus cancel into stall always with standard friction). The magnetic interaction breaks the equivalence and adds energy (=mass) to the inertial power of the rotor. Astonishing if this is true. Witness the matertialisation process of universal energy, of ether energy! A revolution if we can copy this.... This stonehenge thing is on my tinker-agenda now. Space (energy), the final frontier. Lol! Any successful replications of Mylow's stonehenge-MM yet? For that is the point, talking further won't help, action is the way now.
-my vids: http://www.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar
-my research pages: http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html
-my OU forumpages IPMM: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
Well,
I like the unknown part of tinkering with this. Even if it ends up as a failure. My daughter and I have alot of fun putting this together. So for her it was both education and entertainment. AND I SPEND SOME MONEY ON ENTERTAINING MY LITTLE RUG RAT..... I have no idea how many quarters we have poured into Chuck E Cheese...
The only thing I have purchased that has little use so far is the horseshoe magnet (I'm sure I'll find another use). Everything else I currently use... including the Hot water tank pan.
So I haven't really lost out on this project.
All of the other people replicating have my respect with the investment they are putting into validating Mylow's videos.
Quote from: i_ron on March 31, 2009, 01:59:19 PMShut up and quit wasting my time
Quote from: powercat on March 31, 2009, 02:07:34 PMstop posting and do it
A lot of people would just love for me to stop posting, LOL. I bring logic to the board, and get legit people to ask for some form of legitimate verification. Perhaps the "Just Build It!" "Don't bring it to a University. Bring it us first. We'll take good care of you" people here are afraid of losing their posting paychecks. ;) Heaven forbid, we wouldn't want legit people listening to logic.
BTW, I am building it, in sim first because it's a lot cheaper and believe it or not a lot faster. And I already built my diode arrays. They work. If you know of a University professor who's willing to spend a month analyzing it (difficult and time consuming task) then by all means let me know! Analyzing a diode array that produces microvolts across a megaohm load is far far far more difficult than analyzing mylow's machine. There's no comparison.
PL
New video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq9Qbmhokk&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq9Qbmhokk&feature=channel_page)
Finally! About time he used the suggestion of using regular rectangular magnets to strengthen the stator magnet.
Quote from: Lakes on March 31, 2009, 02:36:13 PM
New video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq9Qbmhokk&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq9Qbmhokk&feature=channel_page)
Outstanding.
Looks like the perfect fix.
Mylow posted 2 vids simultaneously
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgPC-tjwww&feature=channel_page (the other one)
Looks like groups of 8 rotors now, and it looks like he's trying to create a dipole stator out of 2 hoerseshoes w/ the added sumerium cobalt strip magnets
When I think about what my choices would be 'if' I thought I had such a find the following comes to mind:
1. I would want to work the problem as I see it. Not self-starting? Maybe that is the level 'I' would consider a real find. After all, self running is already achieved.
2. One step at a time. I would have my own steps already figured.
I'll stop there because I just realized I can't compare my thoughts to Mylow.
Before #1 insert: I wouldn't announce it to the world. Just watching such attempts I already know the work would stop because of outside demands.
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Voting on banning folks is nuts. Use what worked on me ;)
Just ignore him.
Quote from: nyctuber on March 31, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
I quite honestly do think it comes down to a drained stator. and, I'll say this.. now that he has shown a way to basically transform his drained iron horseshoe into a charged stator w/ strip magnets, and appears to be doing a rebuild, then now would be the time to expect something in the near future or otherwise be disappointed. He states in his most recent video he wants to do exactly what everyone is asking for, let it run and film it. The one caveat is, he wants it to be self starting and no one knows if he's figured that out yet. Anyway, sorry for taking up space arguing.
Indeed it seems that energy come into stator when they magnetized it, and then it released that energy when the device was working and demagnetized (perhaps not only stator demagnetize but rotors too).
Read that:
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/15/1928229&mode=thread&tid=134
"Magnets, particulalry permenant magnets, are indeed a reservoir of magnetic potential energy.
This energy is small. Like, really small. I'm involved with calculations on magnetic materials, and we typically use units of meV (milli electron Volts) for a magnetic interaction coefficent. That's 1.602 x 10^-22 Joules. Values are typically between around 2 up to maybe 30. Might be higher with the special rare-earths, dunno.
Iron has 8 interactions per atom. Thus, a magnetic energy of the order of 2 * 10^-20 J per atom. One mole of iron will therefore have of the order of 2 * 10^-20 * Avagadro's number = 2 * 10^-20 * 6 * 10^23 = 12 * 10^3 J. That's 12 kJ of magnetic energy, in 55g of the stuff.
So, a post about says that the moter has a discrepancy of 1.2 W (can't get to the article myself). With 55g of iron permenant magnets then, that's enough to run that system for 10 000 seconds. Might sound a lot, but that's 2.7 hours. If I'm within an order of magnitude, that's a runtime of the system of around a day at most, assuming 100% conversion of the magnetic energy into rotational energy. [1]
No. There is not enough magnetic energy in the parmenant magnets.
- In fact, I think that you could only get 1/2 of that out. Still, I'm ignoring that, cos I think that this is only within an order of magnitude.
[1] Which I doubt. A lot. In fact, I've never seen any suggested method for doing that."
BTW, I heard that this guy:
http://www.japaninc.com/article.php?articleID=1302
allegedly was murdered after he sold 40000 of his motors. :(
Time for a brake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSk51Lp-vHU&feature=PlayList&p=B13F881195866370&index=0
New video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUwAtuWtRw&feature=channel_page
@nyctuber,
I can see how Mylow’s motor can be done in principle. The question is whether or not Mylow has really done it. Constructing a device producing excess energy continuously is a very difficult engineering project.
Otherwise, in principle, it is clear how this can work. I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. A device such as the magnetic propulsor that I’ve demonstrated so many times here produces excess energy discontinuously. One can easily assemble a linear set of these magnetic propulsors in a linear manner and an object (a ball) can travel large linear distances this way. This has been shown repeatedly by many constructors and there are multiple threads existing here in this forum, demonstrating such devices.
As I’ve already said, the promising aspect in Mylow’s device is that he’s using a large diameter disc which approximates the behavior of these linear devices I mentioned above. Also, the weak magnets he’s using make them act as isolated entities, uncoupled with the other groups of magnets. One mistake many, including myself, did when replicating Torbay motor was the use of strong neodymium magnets which where cooperating badly and the mentioned effect couldn’t show itself.
So, these are the promising, expected aspects in Mylow’s machine which he chooses to forgo while getting in the dead-ends known to almost anyone who has done such experiments.
Make no mistake, finding the sweet spot and letting the rotor go from a standstill leading the rotor to making more than one turn by itself is a self-starter. Mylow is confused about that and he should now hear it and understand it. Don’t bother, Mylow, with other things, show the rotor starting from the sweet spot from a stand-still and show it in a full-view video that the rotor is making several full turns by itself. That’s all. If the machine really works, this should be easy to be accomplished even with the drained stators he already used in his very first videos.
We should not get sidetracked and lose the focus of this research.
Quote from: LightRider on March 31, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
New video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUwAtuWtRw&feature=channel_page
The best part is, you hear the CAR NOISE outside which was supposedly a motor running his device lol. Unless the drained magnet generated the sound, I'd say it was a truck :)
@dragon,
While it's true that energy is spent for the magnetization of a piece of ferromagnetic material, it isn't true that once the permanent magnet is produced that energy, necessary for aligning its domains can be used for, say, driving a motor. On the contrary, in order to demagnetize a permanent magnet one needs to further spend energy. Demagnetization of a permanent magnet isn't gaining energy. It may help you to understand this if you recall what coercive force means.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 31, 2009, 08:44:54 PM
@nyctuber,
I can see how Mylow’s motor can be done in principle. The question is whether or not Mylow has really done it. Constructing a device producing excess energy continuously is a very difficult engineering project.
Otherwise, in principle, it is clear how this can work. I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. A device such as the magnetic propulsor that I’ve demonstrated so many times here produces excess energy discontinuously. One can easily assemble a linear set of these magnetic propulsors in a linear manner and an object (a ball) can travel large linear distances this way. This has been shown repeatedly by many constructors and there are multiple threads existing here in this forum, demonstrating such devices.
As I’ve already said, the promising aspect in Mylow’s device is that he’s using a large diameter disc which approximates the behavior of these linear devices I mentioned above. Also, the weak magnets he’s using make them act as isolated entities, uncoupled with the other groups of magnets. One mistake many, including myself, did when replicating Torbay motor was the use of strong neodymium magnets which where cooperating badly and the mentioned effect couldn’t show itself.
So, these are the promising, expected aspects in Mylow’s machine which he chooses to forgo while getting in the dead-ends known to almost anyone who has done such experiments.
Make no mistake, finding the sweet spot and letting the rotor go from a standstill leading the rotor to making more than one turn by itself is a self-starter. Mylow is confused about that and he should now hear it and understand it. Don’t bother, Mylow, with other things, show the rotor starting from the sweet spot from a stand-still and show it in a full-view video that the rotor is making several full turns by itself. That’s all. If the machine really works, this should be easy to be accomplished even with the drained stators he already used in his very first videos.
We should not get sidetracked and lose the focus of this research.
Thanks I didn't realize any of that I've just started posting here. Where is your device in the forum?
The latest vid shows on pole of the stator magnet is really taking a beating. One pole still shows a good magnetization, and the other shows little to none. A lot of info in that vid.
And it shows the c magnets or notched magnets are normal.
Have caught the 'Mylow bug'. Am working on a ~1/2 scale rig.
I won't have magnets for at least 2 weeks. Axle
Quote from: Axle on March 31, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
Have caught the 'Mylow bug'. Am working on a ~1/2 scale rig.
I won't have magnets for at least 2 weeks. Axle
looks good Axle.
Stupid YouTube scheduled maintenance crap... I can't upload my video....
Grumble grumble grumble...
>:(
I'll have to take it to work and upload.
Quote from: Axle on March 31, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
Have caught the 'Mylow bug'. Am working on a ~1/2 scale rig.
I won't have magnets for at least 2 weeks. Axle
Looks good.
I would recommend playing with your magnet layout before glueing anything down.
The theory seems to work but most setups will probably need their own magnet layout.
I even believe the rotor magnets don't even need to be horseshoe type. I am seeing results with just plain neo's on the rotor in the orentation mylow has. North or south facing up.
I also believe the horseshoe magnet is required for the stator. Even with assistance magnets. Just using plain neo's as a stator cog's really badly.
Was just re-watching Mylow's 6th video, and really you can see how steady the speed is with the naked eye. No way in hell he was pushing it, and it runs for maybe 3 minutes total. I think people are getting so caught up in hyper-skepticism they're missing the fact that they've already seen it legitimately working.
Quote from: nyctuber on March 31, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
Was just re-watching Mylow's 6th video, and really you can see how steady the speed is with the naked eye. No way in hell he was pushing it, and it runs for maybe 3 minutes total. I think people are getting so caught up in hyper-skepticism they're missing the fact that they've already seen it legitimately working.
I agree.
Hope @CLaNZeR or some of the other replicators can do that and that's gonna be it. A new page in this research will be turned.
If MYLOW has the real deal here then we need to pull together to give him support and encouragement. I believe that that is all he has ever asked for anyway. I'd encourage true supporters of free energy to build a wall of support round MYLOW and keep the doom mungers in check. The in-fighting of the free energy community can be it's worst enemy. Haven't we enough to fight already?
Whether his machine is overunity or not is another question, but he does seem to be able to get it to achieve sustained periods of rotation and he does have something interesting here.
On the subject of MYLOW refusing to have someone from a university look at it, I think he's quite right. Is any professor (who wants to keep his job / grant / funding) really going to agree to witnessing a perpetual motion machine? Get real.
The best evidence will come from successful 3rd party replications, although I think a word of caution with the sourcing of the exact magnets that MYLOW uses is a problem for anyone trying to replicate. Those special C shaped magnets could be the essence of what makes this one work and others fail.
Unless someone is using identical materials to MYLOW then it is entirely possible that a successful replication will not occur - so don't be too quick to judge if a self-runner doesn't appear for a while. Patience is required.
If no document exists then it may be an idea for someone to start creating a proper bill of materials for replication efforts. This would take the form of a PDF document with all the relevant information in one place - part numbers, photos, measurements, weblinks to suppliers etc etc. When we have a successful 3rd party replication then everyone and their granny will want a parts list and instruction manual.
Quote from: Axle on March 31, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
Have caught the 'Mylow bug'. Am working on a ~1/2 scale rig.
I won't have magnets for at least 2 weeks. Axle
i think you're not alone on this one lol .. thanks for the peek ahead.
Heres mine so far.. pretty much ready to do some tests even though .. i am still quite skeptical.
Will document here and on my site ..
http://overunity.ca/mylow (http://overunity.ca/mylow)
More to come
Queue
QuoteWhether his machine is overunity or not is another question, but he does seem to be able to get it to achieve sustained periods of rotation and he does have something interesting here.
Have no doubt, if he starts the rotor from stand-still at the “sweet spot†and the rotor makes more than one turn on its own, this is an overunity machine beyond doubt. Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown that yet. If he has the real thing it’s not difficult to demonstrate and not beat around the bush with the evident dead-ends almost everybody here has experience with which he demonstrates in his latest videos.
QuoteOn the subject of MYLOW refusing to have someone from a university look at it, I think he's quite right. Is any professor (who wants to keep his job / grant / funding) really going to agree to witnessing a perpetual motion machine? Get real.
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The best evidence will come from successful 3rd party replications,
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Can’t agree more.
Cutest cat.Seems she (looks like a girl) can't wait either to see the overunity machine crunching. Looks like she's coming up with the answer any moment.
Queue
Nice set up.
From where did you source your magnets??
Quote from: Omnibus on March 31, 2009, 08:44:54 PM
@nyctuber,
I can see how Mylow’s motor can be done in principle. The question is whether or not Mylow has really done it. Constructing a device producing excess energy continuously is a very difficult engineering project.
Otherwise, in principle, it is clear how this can work. I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. A device such as the magnetic propulsor that I’ve demonstrated so many times here produces excess energy discontinuously. One can easily assemble a linear set of these magnetic propulsors in a linear manner and an object (a ball) can travel large linear distances this way. This has been shown repeatedly by many constructors and there are multiple threads existing here in this forum, demonstrating such devices.
As I’ve already said, the promising aspect in Mylow’s device is that he’s using a large diameter disc which approximates the behavior of these linear devices I mentioned above. Also, the weak magnets he’s using make them act as isolated entities, uncoupled with the other groups of magnets. One mistake many, including myself, did when replicating Torbay motor was the use of strong neodymium magnets which where cooperating badly and the mentioned effect couldn't show itself.
So, these are the promising, expected aspects in Mylow’s machine which he chooses to forgo while getting in the dead-ends known to almost anyone who has done such experiments.
Make no mistake, finding the sweet spot and letting the rotor go from a standstill leading the rotor to making more than one turn by itself is a self-starter. Mylow is confused about that and he should now hear it and understand it. Don’t bother, Mylow, with other things, show the rotor starting from the sweet spot from a stand-still and show it in a full-view video that the rotor is making several full turns by itself. That’s all. If the machine really works, this should be easy to be accomplished even with the drained stators he already used in his very first videos.
We should not get sidetracked and lose the focus of this research.
Congratulations, Omni. I think your post is spot on. I agree on the SMOT. I agree on the diameter point. I agree on the "isolated entities, uncoupled with the other groups of magnets". And I agree that there is a danger of losing focus.
The only point where we probably disagree in on whether Mylow has already proved his point or not. Looking back at some of your posts you seem to blow hot and cold on this, in particular at one point I seem to remember you upbraided him for being a fake.
Having watched all the videos I am confident that Mylow is telling the truth with respect to the 24 hour run. Even if he or anyone else fails to reproduce his result that original run stands as far a I'm concerned. Fortunately, his experiment is so easy and relatively cheap to produce (unlike HJ's bananas) that I've no doubt it will be - many times. Indeed, J.R.Hall has already given testimony of the gate performance and even Paul has suggested that one of his rough and ready analyses supports Mylow.
@Queue
Your magnets (the one's at the top of the page on your site) are the closest I've yet seen in appearance to MYLOWs rotor mags. The channel cut out seems to be of the same size also and maybe that's the important part in his device?
The most interesting point about the video showing the magnets effect on iron powder:
it appears that the left side of the magnet is much weaker the the right side.
If this is true then this is the first time I have witnessed a magnet with one pole weaker then the other.
It actually looks like a one poled magnet.
According to standard magnetic theory this shouldn't be possible. As far as I know anyway.
A strange shaped magnet could have the magnetic field on one side following a different path but not weaker then the other.
If I'm wrong about this please correct me with some kind of reference, I still have lots to learn.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 12:46:45 AM
Cutest cat.Seems she (looks like a girl) can't wait either to see the overunity machine crunching. Looks like she's coming up with the answer any moment.
Very perceptive . . she is a girl !
i tried to chase her away to take the pic
but something anew in her space .. she would have nothing of that !
Quote from: ellubpt on April 01, 2009, 12:52:13 AM
Queue.
From where did you source your magnets??
Most are from this catalog .. Various tool companies in the US and Canada will carry them too.
i got mine from a tooling supply company in Ottawa Canada.
http://www.eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/
@Grimer,
I think you should kick in there and straighten up that poor fellow @joshs about his error in understanding the recoverable energy stored in permanent magnets. @vibrator is trying to explain it to him carefully in various ways but @joshs just doesn’t get it. Demagnetization of a permanent magnet requires energy input, a PM isn’t an energy reservoir that can be discharged like a capacitor and do work, correct? Please tell him that in order to demagnetize a permanent magnet one needs either to bang it (repeatedly) on the floor, heat it up to its Curie point or apply a counter H equal to its coercive force. All this requires work to be done, that is, energy to be spent, correct? Also, a permanent magnet isn’t an electromagnet, which @joshs so much likes to liken it to. And even in the ideal case of a magnetic field created by current flowing in a superconductor, to demagnetize it one needs a back-H.
P.S. Edited, after seeing @Grimer's reply, to read "poor fellow @joshs" rather than just "fellow @joshs".
@AbbaRue,
Interestingly, way back during the times of Steorn brouhaha we were discussing the quasi-one-pole reshaping of their field as the solution. There was this 5-magnet array whose name escapes me now which creates such quasi-one-pole magnetic field. If you go back in this thread I mentioned it to Stefan as a possibility here as well. Would be interesting if that’s the case here too.
It seems the pole shift back on the magnet as the domains deteriorate. Notice the lines going at the back center of the magnet. On the inside of the U the one strong side even tends to go completely around the expected pole. a most interesting thing going on there.
Quote from: AbbaRue on April 01, 2009, 01:47:59 AM
The most interesting point about the video showing the magnets effect on iron powder:
it appears that the left side of the magnet is much weaker the the right side.
If this is true then this is the first time I have witnessed a magnet with one pole weaker then the other.
It actually looks like a one poled magnet.
According to standard magnetic theory this shouldn't be possible. As far as I know anyway.
A strange shaped magnet could have the magnetic field on one side following a different path but not weaker then the other.
If I'm wrong about this please correct me with some kind of reference, I still have lots to learn.
Question is, was it symmetric at the get go and then ran down due to the interactions w/ the rotor magnets or that's the way it is to begin with and that's why we see the desired full turns of the rotor, if at all?
Quote from: AbbaRue on April 01, 2009, 01:47:59 AM
The most interesting point about the video showing the magnets effect on iron powder:
it appears that the left side of the magnet is much weaker the the right side.
If this is true then this is the first time I have witnessed a magnet with one pole weaker then the other.
It actually looks like a one poled magnet.
According to standard magnetic theory this shouldn't be possible. As far as I know anyway.
A strange shaped magnet could have the magnetic field on one side following a different path but not weaker then the other.
If I'm wrong about this please correct me with some kind of reference, I still have lots to learn.
I'm glad someone else has spotted that. Here is a post I have just sent of to the Mylo Yahoo site a few minutes ago
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I'm beginning to wonder if its not so much a question of degaussing as
changing the pattern of magnetisation. Pushing the North pole to the
back of the horseshoe so that one effectively ends up with a bar magnet
with a dead north arm. This might explain some of the confusion over the
pattern of magnetisation of the stator.
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It's as though the horseshoe shape is an unstable state into which the field pattern has been forced and it wants to get back to the straight bar magnet pattern. Something a bit like the behaviour of those Nitinol and Terfenol-D alloys in fact.
I think we are definitely onto something there. 8)
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 02:02:48 AM
@Grimer,
I think you should kick in there and straighten up that fellow @joshs about his error in understanding the recoverable energy stored in permanent magnets. @vibrator is trying to explain it to him carefully in various ways but @joshs just doesn’t get it. Demagnetization of a permanent magnet requires energy input, a PM isn’t an energy reservoir that can be discharged like a capacitor and do work, correct? Please tell him that in order to demagnetize a permanent magnet one needs either to bang it (repeatedly) on the floor, heat it up to its Curie point or apply a counter H equal to its coercive force. All this requires work to be done, that is, energy to be spent, correct? Also, a permanent magnet isn’t an electromagnet, which @joshs so much likes to liken it to. And even in the ideal case of a magnetic field created by current flowing in a superconductor, to demagnetize it one needs a back-H.
I fear Joshs' case is terminal. :(
All we can do now is pray for the repose of his brain. May it rest in pieces. Amen
Quote from: queue on April 01, 2009, 01:59:13 AM
Very perceptive . . she is a girl !
i tried to chase her away to take the pic
but something anew in her space .. she would have nothing of that !
Most are from this catalog .. Various tool companies in the US and Canada will carry them too.
i got mine from a tooling supply company in Ottawa Canada.
http://www.eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/
Thanks for the link to the magnet source.
Good luck with your replication efforts.
Say Hi to the cat for me. ;D
Well I must say the appearance of that magnificent cat has changed the tone of this thread.
Good stuff, thanks cat, whatever your name is.
Hans von Lieven
Since the subject of monopoles has come up I thought I'd post here a speculation I wrote for 007.
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How and why the Mylow Motor works
I think even the most devoted chanter of the TINSTAAFL mantra will admit that if one has a isolated north pole, lets it be attracted to a magnetic south pole and then waves a magic wand so that it instantly changed into a magnetic south pole, it will be free lunches all round.
Unfortunately I don't have a magic wand.
What about an isolated pole?
Well, I seem to remember from my sixth form physics class that we carried out an experimental determination of the force exerted on an isolated pole on the equator of a bar magnet. Of course the pole wasn't completely isolated but it was isolated enough for our purposes. It was a pole at the end of a barbell magnet (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Straightbarbell.jpg) which was much longer than the bar magnet we were investigating. As you may remember the force law turns out to be an inverse cube law, the difference between the inverse square repulsion of one pole and the inverse square attraction of the other.
Now if we take that barbell magnet and bend it, look what we get. A horseshoe magnet (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Horseshoebarbell.jpg).
In line with the suggestions made in one of my Overunity.com posts (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166216#msg166216) we have cut out the interaction term physically represented by the metal in a bar magnet. The shortest distance between the two poles of the bent barbell horseshoe magnet is no longer metal but air.
But the rotor magnets are also horseshoe magnets, albeit not very pronounced horseshoes. So in the limit the Mylow Motor models relatively simple interactions between a lot of isolated poles (down Basil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U-_tJVmw)).
The interaction between a horseshoe stator magnet and a group of rotor magnets is illustrated diagrammatically here.
The fact that the rotor poles are moving parallel to the stator poles indicates that the inverse third power law is involved. The inverse second power law is obviously involved in the approach and retreat of the rotor magnets to the clusters of magnets. Thus we have within group interaction and between group interactions to play with.
Now the essence of the Carnot power cycle is that it is made up of two power laws, an inverse fist power law (the isothermal legs) and an inverse 5/3 power law (the adiabatic legs).
But we have two power laws here as well. In other words we have the necessary components for a BH magnetic power cycle analogous to the Carnot thermal cycle. A Mylow cycle constructed from these components is illustrated here (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Mylowcycle.jpg). I have used the HB Cornell convention for plotting the cycle since it is in line with the stress-strain format that I'm familiar with, i.e. with the active action as ordinate and the passive as abscissa.
Since the Mylow Motor appears to be generating sufficient power to keep the rotor spinning (http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/?action=view¤t=Magnetmotor4.flv) against bearing resistance and windage the interactions between stator and rotor must somehow be cycling an area of the BH diagram.
One thing's for sure. This analysis lends support to McCarthy's claim that getting power is just a matter of the way you move magnets around a three dimensional path. Let's just hope he's managed to exploit it as well as Mylow has.
As to the contentious question on where the power is coming from, it has always seemed clear to me that it's coming from the magnetic environment in exactly the same way power can be extracted from a positive and negative offset of the thermal environment or a positive and negative offset of the atmospheric environment. This implies that there must be some absolute zero magnetic potential (pressure) just as there is an absolute zero temperature and an absolute zero for atmospheric pressure. Of course, such a radical change of viewpoint will create such a enormous amount of cognitive disturbance to the existing theoretical framework that it will only be adopted under the extreme duress of.......an explosion of magnetic motors, perhaps. 8)
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Cat Power! Meoooow! hahaha
My conclusion is Mylow's Stator magnet is simply Iron bar that has been magnetised.
When back at the weekend I am going to get some 1" Bar, drill it with 1/2 Drill down the middle. Cut to length and then cut in half.
Will then try and magnetise each side.
This could explain why they are so weak and also grow weaker. Also could explain the effect that Mylow achieved.
Just a thought :)
@CLaNZeR
Yep, that may be the case indeed. But don't forget that the stator has to be wide enough to cover over two rotors plus the space in between plus one space to the right or left. You may need to measure your current build and make your stator accordingly. I would think a straight piece of iron 1" wide and 1/4" to 1/2" thick that can be curved then cut to the right rotor-space-rotor-space distance would also do. Then use some 12awg house wire and wrap about 10 turns only in the center curve, charge a capacitor to 120 volts and discharge it into the coil, always using the greatest care of course. I don't think a 12 volts discharge will be enough but maybe it is a good (and safe) voltage to start.
Quote from: wattsup on April 01, 2009, 07:52:46 AM
@CLaNZeR
Yep, that may be the case indeed. But don't forget that the stator has to be wide enough to cover over two rotors plus the space in between place one space to the right or left.
My Rotor magnets are 8mm wide and 8mm gap between two of them, so total span is 24mm and new Iron stator will be 25.4mm
Mylows seems to be 10mm wide Rotors with around 5mm gap giving him 25mm and his Stator is 26mm
I can always close my gap by 0.4mm :)
Quote from: AbbaRue on April 01, 2009, 01:47:59 AM
The most interesting point about the video showing the magnets effect on iron powder:
it appears that the left side of the magnet is much weaker the the right side.
If this is true then this is the first time I have witnessed a magnet with one pole weaker then the other.
It actually looks like a one poled magnet.
According to standard magnetic theory this shouldn't be possible. As far as I know anyway.
A strange shaped magnet could have the magnetic field on one side following a different path but not weaker then the other.
If I'm wrong about this please correct me with some kind of reference, I still have lots to learn.
Magnetic monopoles are possible according to theory:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1167747
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole
The problem with demagnetization will always be occuring in systems where moving magnets work on repulsion basis (even though SmCo magnets are more resistant to demagnetization than others). The device would have to be redesigned to work on attraction principle to avoid demagnetization
@dragon,
The closest to a magnet “monopole†is the Halbach array: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array. At the time, it was discussed as a possibility to explain the Steorn perpetuum mobile and it very well may be that has a role in the discussed here case with regard to the shape of the fields (if Mylow’s claim is at all real). As far as the possibility for magnetic monopoles to exist according to the “theories†mentioned in your links, it is out of the question. These so-called “theories†are an outgrowth of the internally contradictory Einstein’s theory of relativity and therefore are to be rejected outright. Nothing physically consistent can come out of an internally contradictory theory.
Quote from: dragon on April 01, 2009, 09:20:07 AM
The problem with demagnetization will always be occuring in systems where moving magnets work on repulsion basis (even though SmCo magnets are more resistant to demagnetization than others). The device would have to be redesigned to work on attraction principle to avoid demagnetization
This may only have a practical significance. Theoretically, there is no difference as to whether or not there is demagnetization. In any case, if Mylow's claim is real, this will be a perpetuum mobile. Recall that a permanent magnet is not an energy reservoir which can be discharged as a capacitor; on the contrary, demagnetization of a permanent magnet requires spending of energy rather than recovering the energy spent for the magnetization of the ferromagnetic piece.
@Queue
Would you update your website with Part Numbers for the magnets you've selected?
That will make it easier to track what has been tried.
Thanks
New Video from Carbonccc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpBlUC7Quc&feature=channel_page
Appears he's getting fairly amazing results
Quote from: nyctuber on April 01, 2009, 10:14:08 AM
New Video from Carbonccc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpBlUC7Quc&feature=channel_page
Appears he's getting fairly amazing results
YouTube is still processing the video so you can't see my comments yet. Here they are:
1/2 " Neo's on each pole on the Stator and 1 - 1/4" Neo on each Rotor Magnet REALLY increased the torque and speed of the aluminum disk (sitting atop the fan blades).
Mylow is on to something with his Samarium-cobalt magnets. I need to get some more magnets...
I recommend playing with your magnet layout before glueing anything down.
The theory seems to work but I believe most other setups will probably need their own magnet layout orentation due to differing magnetic flux lines (and strengths) on the rotor and stator magnets.
I believe the rotor magnets don't need to be horseshoe type. I am seeing results with just plain neo's on the rotor in the orentation mentioned by mylow (north or south facing up). When the Stator magnet hovers directly over top of the standard neo's the same movement is achieved. I will try and demonstrate this in my next video.
I also believe the horseshoe magnet is required for the stator (even with assistance magnets like I have in this video). Just using plain neo's as a stator cog's really badly.
@carbonc_cc,
Can you do the following â€" instead of starting it from a stand-still (front rotor magnets facing the stator), have the front rotor magnets slowly move from sufficient distance (beyond the region where they can feel the stator magnet field) towards the stator magnet while holding the stator magnet immovably at its current position?
In reference to the rotor magnets:
As a whole for the entire row of rotor magnets only the outside horseshoe magnets give off the strongest fields. In-between where the gaps are, there are somewhat strong fields for attraction/repulsion.
I believe there is a flywheel effect occurring for the stator magnet to pass the last magnet in the row. But it only works at the beginning of the row where the repulsion is strongest. The faster you force your stator to first magnet in the row (repulsion feeling), the faster the rotor will spin to get to the last rotor magnet in the row.
I'm probably describing the obvious to most here but I am just trying to put it into searchable/index-able text here.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 01, 2009, 10:38:41 AM
I believe there is a flywheel effect occurring for the stator magnet to pass the last magnet in the row. But it only works at the beginning of the row where the repulsion is strongest. The faster you force your stator to first magnet in the row (repulsion feeling), the faster the rotor will spin to get to the last rotor magnet in the row.
I'm quoting myself here because it is very difficult to describe what I am feeling while holding the stator.
I feel that the flywheel effect is also due to a (resonance) of the flux fields interacting during the MOVEMENT of the rotor.
My previous statment feels incomplete and even wrong (or right).
I need to think on how to articulate this.
@ CLaNZeR
I dont see the space between the rotors as being 8mm like the rotor. I see the space between being like 4mm, half the size of the rotor.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
@carbonc_cc,
Can you do the following â€" instead of starting it from a stand-still (front rotor magnets facing the stator), have the front rotor magnets slowly move from sufficient distance (beyond the region where they can feel the stator magnet field) towards the stator magnet while holding the stator magnet immovably at its current position?
Unfortunatly I don't believe it will work.
Ok, depending on the direction you hold the stator magnet. The rotor will not pass the repelling side of the stator.
The stator must start with ITS repelling field centered (just slightly more twards the rest of the rotors) in front of the first magnet in the set. This is what starts the movement. Its also the strongest repelling feeling on the stator. Once the rotor starts to accellerate past that strong repelling field, the motion is kept alive with the weaker field variances as it passes each break.
I believe once it achieves some kind of resonance, it does not accellerate any more. The momentum the rotor has at this point is what helps the stator pass the last rotor's STRONG ATTRACTION field.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
This may only have a practical significance. Theoretically, there is no difference as to whether or not there is demagnetization. In any case, if Mylow's claim is real, this will be a perpetuum mobile. Recall that a permanent magnet is not an energy reservoir which can be discharged as a capacitor; on the contrary, demagnetization of a permanent magnet requires spending of energy rather than recovering the energy spent for the magnetization of the ferromagnetic piece.
+1 ;)
I think I'm going to have to reupload the video.
Its stuck on processing.
@carbonc_cc,
You may recall that the entrance barrier was exactly the problem with the tri-gate. Magnetic propulsor has the exit barrier problem while the tri-gate (and here too) the problem is the entrance barrier. We're at square one. Here is the crux of the matter, has Mylow resolved this problem or not? Still remains to be seen.
G'day all, I'm new to this forum and just wanted to say hi.
First of all, I'd like to say that I have an open mind to science, but not an easily deceived one.
Secondly, I have found this Johnson motor replication very interesting at least on the surface of it, and I wish Mylow every sucess with his experiments and all the researchers on this board and other boards trying to crack the holy grail of physics. I along with many others here on planet earth I will be in line to shake their hand if they do.!!!
But (theres always a but), the thing I wish to comment on here (gently) is that I thought magnets like gravity, are conservative forces. Over the years I have seen all sorts of attempts to extract power from magnets and gravity. Unfortunately, a magnet's magnetic field is a static force. Whether one pole is a little bit stronger than the other I thought would be irrelevant. Whatever the attraction or repulsion force is to another magnet's pole, then the total attraction or repulsion energy is conserved. In other words, it's takes the same amount of energy to pull the magnets apart as it takes for them to come together in the first instance excluding frictional losses of course. It's basic physics 101.
In saying that though, if a magnet had of had a natural occurring pulsating field then that would of been a different story and perhaps this forum may never had appeared. LOL!!
Now as I was reading each page here, I noticed that emotions ranged from euphoria and disbelief to perhaps some jealousy and even quite hostile tit for tat. That's okay. Science should always be about discussion, rigorous and repeatable experiments, debate, more rigorous and repeatable experiments and even more debate!! Unfortunately, personal attacks do occur sometimes. Remember Newton, the Wright brothers and others often copped personal comments and attacks from other competitive and non-competitive "peers".
My thoughts are that each person has something to contribute and is entitled to a constructive if even sometimes critical comment. Sometimes it's hard to cop, because most people interested in any particular field do put alot of effort into their research and ideas and they don't like what appears to them to be negative input. However, we do need the 'devil's advocate' types as they often keep us focused on the job at hand. Sometimes they can save someone many hours of effort and possibly lots of money especially if they already have a very good understanding of the laws of physics or nature or have been there and done that.
Finally, I definitely believe the biggest driver for this field of research is the fame and glory for whoever will be the first to discover something new and possibly break Newton's laws. Now, I'm doubtful it will be with magnets (remember static fields), but good luck to Mylow or anyone if they think they can.
Hey has anyone heard the talk of mining the moon one day for the radioactive isotope of helium called He3 as a fuel source for nuclear fusion. Apparently, 1lb of this stuff could power the entire eastern seaboard of the U.S for one year!!! I know it's not 'overunity', but how interesting is that too!!
sirinewton
Yes the fields are such that the actions tend to balance out. Yet the magnet itself consists of domains which can and will change with time in a field. This is were a variation of strength can occur and possibly be used.
Not saying this is real, yet it is interesting. replications and results of that will show more in this situation
As for the H3 stuff, Yes that is interesting and being looked at as a possible fuel.
The new laser set up they have out may also show some good results. As for the research into such, well it does produce money for then university. I do no of one set up that was never fully fired up that was feasible. Reason why? If it worked the funding would have stopped.
Oh and that was a OIL company funded project. Such is life and money.
@sirinewton,
Welcome to the forum and please don’t get discouraged that the first reply to your first post will be negative. I don’t want to start a theoretical discussion but I will only note that physics101 doesn’t fail to call work the displacement under the action of a conservative force. If an opportunity is created for a conservative force to induce such displacement infinitely then work will be done infinitely. This doesn’t go against physics101, although it is a different situation from the one you correctly describe whereby “it takes the same amount of energy to pull the magnets apart as it takes for them to come together in the first instance excluding frictional losses of courseâ€.
@lostcauses10x,
You are giving an incorrect explanation should Mylow claim turns out to be real. Realigning of domains in a permanent magnet requires energy input not the opposite, as you incorrectly understand.
"No, he wrote "electromagnet.""
Problem with this is the stator magnet deterioration. It is not conclusive to an "electromagnet."
Yet who know but Mylow. Until folks give up on replication, more information will be coming. Time will tell.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
@carbonc_cc,
You may recall that the entrance barrier was exactly the problem with the tri-gate. Magnetic propulsor has the exit barrier problem while the tri-gate (and here too) the problem is the entrance barrier. We're at square one. Here is the crux of the matter, has Mylow resolved this problem or not? Still remains to be seen.
Well, I'm not so sure about that as well.
If the momentum of the rotor is enough to overcome the exit barrier, then is it also enough to overcome the entrance barrier? All it would need is just enough to pass the gate so the attraction starts up again...
Things I expect to observe in the future:
1: When more and more magnets are applied to the rotor (in the orentation with gaps), the rotor is able to keep a constant speed.
Speeds up then Slows down during and after passing the last rotor magnet (exit barrier).
2: The Strongest field of the whole of all the rotors always stays with the first and last rotor in the whole set. (that I have physically observed so far)
3: When completing a full circle of magnets, the Strongest fields seem to diminish by spreading across the whole. The gaps then become the strongest fields.
4. When the stator approaches the "sweet spot" (middle of the repelling field between stator and rotor) at a gap point starting the rotor spinning, it passes each weak gate to the next set of rotors (maybe due to momentum) in a full circle. (heh, the big question here...)
Of course it does, but how much???
Such does depend on the material and magnetic property of the magnet also. This device is taking a good magnetic vibration across on of the poles of the stator magnet. His magnet does show some interesting results of such.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 11:44:57 AM
@lostcauses10x,
You are givin an incorrect explanation should Mylow claim turns out to be real. Realigning of domains in a permanent magnet requires energy input not the opposite, as you incorrectly understand.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 11:44:57 AM
@lostcauses10x,
You are givin an incorrect explanation should Mylow claim turns out to be real. Realigning of domains in a permanent magnet requires energy input not the opposite, as you incorrectly understand.
Hopefully last post for awhile. Shhhh, lol, anyhow, onmin is correct in terms of present technology, but in the dirty details there's actually more kinetic energy released after magnetizing a magnet than what was put into the magnetization. The reason is found in MCE (magnetocaloric effect). Potential energy found in unorganized ferromagnetic moments are converted into kinetic energy, but most of such KE is quickly converted back into PE by a change in specific heat capacity. So, there is a gain in KE, but according to 2LoT such energy is unavailable energy. The 2LoT will fall within the next decade, to be known as 2ToT.
PL
In no way is degaussing the explanation for the purported effect. Just the opposite, degaussing is detrimental to such effect. This should be understood once and for all.
@paulLowrance,
We're talking here of CoE being violated which makes violation of the 2LoT a moot point. It needn't even be addressed because its violation goes without saying.
New Mylow video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56kuk8rbABM&feature=channel_page
Well: I will go with the tendency to agree. LOL Yet a great deal of this may be the spin of the electrons finding a balanced position in the structure, and when encountering a variation of the field cause more domains to exist for a time. We do have to look at possibility at the atomic levels when dealings with such ideas.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 01, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
Hopefully last post for awhile. Shhhh, lol, anyhow, onmin is correct in terms of present technology, but in the dirty details there's actually more kinetic energy released after magnetizing a magnet than what was put into the magnetization. The reason is found in MCE (magnetocaloric effect). Potential energy found in unorganized ferromagnetic moments are converted into kinetic energy, but most of such KE is quickly converted back into PE by a change in specific heat capacity. So, there is a gain in KE, but according to 2LoT such energy is unavailable energy. The 2LoT will fall within the next decade, to be known as 2ToT.
PL
@jibbguy,
While I subscribe to everything you say about what I call “job schemers†in the academia, I disagree regarding the role of the “"standard", mainstream concepts about magnetism†in proving the violation of CoE. Turns out, certain aspects of those standard concepts have been overlooked (perhaps deliberately) and this is where “the key to the tent†lies regarding the violation of CoE.
Speaking of deliberate stalling, it very well may be that “hot fusion†is one such example (not to mention the perspectiveless CERN hadron collider which should have never been started to begin with). Certain exceptionally unscrupulous members of the above-mentioned job scheming cohorts, the power elites of the academia, prefer to have their kingdoms built on the massively misappropriated public funds to last as long as possible. Therefore, since the society allows this to happen, they would postpone every 60 years the overunity of the Tokamak by another 60 years and then by another 60 years and so on. Not that it’s that difficult to achieve said overunity. It’s just more convenient to keep the society hostage to their grandomaniacal ambitions.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 01, 2009, 10:53:48 AM
I'm quoting myself here because it is very difficult to describe what I am feeling while holding the stator.
I feel that the flywheel effect is also due to a (resonance) of the flux fields interacting during the MOVEMENT of the rotor.
My previous statment feels incomplete and even wrong (or right).
I need to think on how to articulate this.
When you mention resonance, are you feeling an initial vibration as the rotor starts moving.
If so, this could account for the sound that is heard in Mylow's videos where as the aluminum rotor maybe resonant with the vibration occurring at startup.
-Duff
Quote from: duff on April 01, 2009, 12:52:18 PM
When you mention resonance, are you feeling an initial vibration as the rotor starts moving.
If so, this could account for the sound that is heard in Mylow's videos where as the aluminum rotor maybe resonant with the vibration occurring at startup.
-Duff
Not really a vibration, more of a seesaw effect that stabalizes and feels less seesaw and more fluid (seesaw is still felt). Except at the end rotors.
Maybe metal on metal at a certian speed would generate a sound, but not sure.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 01, 2009, 01:15:36 PM
Not really a vibration, more of a seesaw effect that stabalizes and feels less seesaw and more fluid (seesaw is still felt). Except at the end rotors.
Maybe metal on metal at a certian speed would generate a sound, but not sure.
Note: The seesaw effect is felt at the pass of every inside magnet. Probably because I had so many large gaps.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
@sirinewton,
Welcome to the forum and please don’t get discouraged that the first reply to your first post will be negative. I don’t want to start a theoretical discussion but I will only note that physics101 doesn’t fail to call work the displacement under the action of a conservative force. If an opportunity is created for a conservative force to induce such displacement infinitely then work will be done infinitely. This doesn’t go against physics101, although it is a different situation from the one you correctly describe whereby “it takes the same amount of energy to pull the magnets apart as it takes for them to come together in the first instance excluding frictional losses of courseâ€.
G'day omnibus and others, Thanks for the greetings.
Okay, Like you I don't wish to get too theoretical either. I agree. Basic physics 101 says F=ma and W=Fd =mad. Ignoring the conservation law for a closed isolated system for the moment, work is definitely done when two magnets attract or repel one another. For example, if two magnets are attracting each other, the work done has a vector component in a direction which in this case is towards each other. Where you say "if an opportunity is created for a conservative force to induce such displacement infinitely then work will be done infinitely" would be nice, but in the real world the displacement or distance or work done is finite, or has a start point Vi and a finish pointVf, so it's impossible. Now to get the two magnets apart, the work done will be in the opposite but equal direction as to the initial attraction. Therefore as we know, the conservation of energy laws state P.E = K.E where P.E=mgh =K.E= 1/2mv^2.
So I'm afraid it's conserved. Let's face it, magnets have have fascinated man for a long time, and when he or she sees one move and stick to the wall they'll say look it's doing work and the bug bites them. Yes it is doing work, but only in one direction. To remove that stuck magnet will require the same amount of work but in the opposite direction. Net gain =O KJ/Nm and that's not including real world frictional losses.
In Mylows wheel or the HJ motor, the moving rotor magnets are coming in sideways to the stator or stationary magnet. I sincerely don't want to sound rude but "so what?" The same COE law must also apply. The energy in must = the energy out. In fact it will be less out because of magnetic drag, air resistance, bearing friction. Now some are going to say what about subatomic particle spins, domain alignments, de broglies theorem (quantum physics), natural de-magnetisation, some special shape etc...., but so far nothing has presented itself as providing some kind special or mysterious subatomic force that will lead to a continous free energy machine. The only thing I saw once was a doco where they were demonstrating a plasma space propulsion engine, where they had a electromagnetically contained plasma gas, and they brought a magnet near it and the gas began to spin. That was very interesting.
Finally, most people with an ounce of intelligence know the COE law are tried and true, that's why in my last post I said I'd shake hands with whoever proved Newton wrong and I'll eat my words. At the same time, It's not my place to say or stop anyone from experimenting and having a go too. So good on you Mylow and others. I think this type of research and tinkering is a great hobby, as long as you don't let it consume you. I had a mate who was addicted to this quest to solve the world's energy problems with a 'free energy' machine of some sort and it became like a sickness where he would have bouts of depression whenever he had a failure. So take it easy everyone the world will be around for a loooong time after we're all gone.
Ha! fixed the stupid youtube bug. Pulled the plug so the browser couldn't send any packets back to youtube calling for a cancel upload.
I have updated the video's information...
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 11:54:45 AM
@paulLowrance,
We're talking here of CoE being violated which makes violation of the 2LoT a moot point. It needn't even be addressed because its violation goes without saying.
Huh? Just because you are not discussing 2LoT for the moment somehow makes 2LoT a moot point? That's some strange logic you adhere to. You continually make huge claims here without a shred of math or references to such math. Violating 2LoT is far more realistic than violating CoE. I have already provided to mathematical proof of a 2LoT violation.
PL
I can not argue with what you have wrote here.
I doubt that any of such devices, if work break COE.
Such shown would just show some thing about the situation is going on that is not yet understood. The one amusing thing about the universe, is it has not stopped moving yet that we have observed. It does seem COE can take a very long time to happen.
Quote from: sirinewton on April 01, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
G'day omnibus and others, Thanks for the greetings.
Okay, Like you I don't wish to get too theoretical either. I agree. Basic physics 101 says F=ma and W=Fd =mad. Ignoring the conservation law for a closed isolated system for the moment, work is definitely done when two magnets attract or repel one another. For example, if two magnets are attracting each other, the work done has a vector component in a direction which in this case is towards each other. Where you say "if an opportunity is created for a conservative force to induce such displacement infinitely then work will be done infinitely" would be nice, but in the real world the displacement or distance or work done is finite, or has a start point Vi and a finish pointVf, so it's impossible. Now to get the two magnets apart, the work done will be in the opposite but equal direction as to the initial attraction. Therefore as we know, the conservation of energy laws state P.E = K.E where P.E=mgh =K.E= 1/2mv^2.
So I'm afraid it's conserved. Let's face it, magnets have have fascinated man for a long time, and when he or she sees one move and stick to the wall they'll say look it's doing work and the bug bites them. Yes it is doing work, but only in one direction. To remove that stuck magnet will require the same amount of work but in the opposite direction. Net gain =O KJ/Nm and that's not including real world frictional losses.
In Mylows wheel or the HJ motor, the moving rotor magnets are coming in sideways to the stator or stationary magnet. I sincerely don't want to sound rude but "so what?" The same COE law must also apply. The energy in must = the energy out. In fact it will be less out because of magnetic drag, air resistance, bearing friction. Now some are going to say what about subatomic particle spins, domain alignments, de broglies theorem (quantum physics), natural de-magnetisation, some special shape etc...., but so far nothing has presented itself as providing some kind special or mysterious subatomic force that will lead to a continous free energy machine. The only thing I saw once was a doco where they were demonstrating a plasma space propulsion engine, where they had a electromagnetically contained plasma gas, and they brought a magnet near it and the gas began to spin. That was very interesting.
Finally, most people with an ounce of intelligence know the COE law are tried and true, that's why in my last post I said I'd shake hands with whoever proved Newton wrong and I'll eat my words. At the same time, It's not my place to say or stop anyone from experimenting and having a go too. So good on you Mylow and others. I think this type of research and tinkering is a great hobby, as long as you don't let it consume you. I had a mate who was addicted to this quest to solve the world's energy problems with a 'free energy' machine of some sort and it became like a sickness where he would have bouts of depression whenever he had a failure. So take it easy everyone the world will be around for a loooong time after we're all gone.
heh, my problem was finding the center of my not so round pan.
I believe I got close enough to reduce wobble to a minimum.
Mylow phoned me this morning.
He has received the two alnico magnets I sent him, has been putting them in the motor, and was very excited to tell me about what he was finding.
The smaller of the two, which is just barely larger than the stator magnet he has been using, worked so well that the centripetal force of rotation made some of the rotor magnets fly off. He didn't count the rpms, but he said, "It was going one, two, three, four...", at the speed he recalls, and I would estimate it to be at least 300-400 rpm.
This overspeed problem can be remedied (we presume) by backing the stator off, so it's not as close.
He said that the attraction between the stator and the rotor magnets is so strong he has to hold the stator apparatus to keep it from sliding toward the rotor magnets. I suggested that he tape the base of the rotor to the base of the stator to keep them in position, then use the new screw adjustment mechanism he devised to bring the stator in and out of position.
He said it was harder to find the "sweet spot" from where the acceleration takes off.
He said that the magnet is so strong he could hardly pull the keeper plate off of it.
The larger of the two stator magnets is so strong, he said that it accelerates in a pulsing fashion. It jerks as if it's looking for an equilibrium but can't find it, then stops. When it stopped, he said it sucked the rotor magnets off the disc, smacking them into the stator magnet. Before that, he said it made about 12 revolutions.
In suggesting that he jump on a plane to come here to San Jose to Thursday night's presentation at San Jose State University, he was a little skittish. He'll need to get off work, he wants his wife to come, and she's used up all her paid vacation for the year, and he's never been outside of Chicago. But he said he would start making some calls and get back to me.
So now we can now say that that stator magnets HS811N from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
apparently work on Mylow's motor. Mention the promotion code "PES" to get a 5% discount. I've been talking to Felix there.
Now we just need to verify a rotor magnet source that will work. The ones that Sean is using look pretty close. Sean, you ought to get the HS811N and give it a whirl.
I'm going to start working up a story page at PESN.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/01/9501536_Mylow_magnet_motor_running/
@X1003, give me a call so we can arrange to get Mylow a flight.
@ Everyone. Help us keep http://MylowMagnetMotor.com up to date and accurate. It's going to be getting a lot of traffic. Post notice of your replications on the Replications page, and a one-liner on the "updates" page. Build a feature page for your replication if you're going all out like CLaNZeR and carbonc_cc, etc. See how their pages are made and just copy the format using your info. The image upload link is near the bottom of the left hand navigation column.
Exciting times!
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: Send Mylow Stator Magnets to Test
I spoke with Mylow this morning,
He has his rotor magnets put back on the disc.
He said that even though his iron stator magnet is very weak, it still turns the rotor a few revolutions.
I encouraged him to shoot a video.
He's very anxious to find a good stator magnet.
I suggested that if people want to send him magnets to try in the stator position, of different sizes, strength, that they could send them to me, and I can forward them on to him.
He said that would be fine. He'd be glad to give them a whirl.
Here's my address:
Mylow Magnet
c/o PES Network, Inc.
4157 N. West Pinion Cir.
Eagle Mountain, UT 84005
1-801-407-1292
I'm going to be gone until Friday, but my wife said she could forward them while I'm gone.
If you want to send some $ to cover postage, you can send it by PayPal to orders@pureenergysystems.com , or include a check in the box.
I ordered the following from www.allmagnetics.com and had them shipped to Mylow to arrive by the end of the day Wednesday
HS90 and HS811N
Sterling
@sirinewton,
Like I said, you’re right in the cases you describe. There’s no CoE violation there. As you correctly point out, in the cases you discuss “the displacement or distance or work done is finiteâ€. I’m talking about other instances, one such is Mylow’s (if it really is what he claims) whereby the distances covered due to the special opportunity created is infinite and therefore the work done is infinite. What is going on here (if real) is something which does not fall within the realm of your simple (and correct) example and it is on a macroscale. If what Mylow shows here is real we have a clear instance of CoE violation as has already been shown in the magnetic propulsor where the excess energy is obtained discontinuously.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 01, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
This overspeed problem can be remedied (we presume) by backing the stator off, so it's not as close.
Or by adding a load to the bearing... Say a generator? or three?
;D
ok guys,
i'm no rockstar in physics and engineering and maybe it's better that way for this 'experiment'...
:)
anyways, it would appear that there would be a magic ratio between the strength of each rotor versus the strength of each stator, given 2 stators and a fixed (for discussion purposes) number of rotors. I suppose for fun, this ratio might be 19.5. Well, whatever.
This ratio, given a fixed disk size and weight such as mylow's, will dictate whether the disk can spin smoothly and at a constant speed or not.
All of this under the assumption that his model works.
So since we know the strength of mylow's rotors, and the size and weight of mylow's disk, can any academic mathematicians out there quickly calculate the magic magnet strength ratio, and therefore the required strength of the 2 stators, so we can put this baby to bed before Friday at 5pm?
This will enable scaling of larger and smaller machines after the fact....
Or am I being 'too scientific' for everyone?
let's see who can arrive at the answer first, the experimenters or the mathematicians?
$1CAD to the winner...
hocus pocus
:)
dixie
:)
btw...i scored an A+ in calculus, but that was 20 years ago!
;)
Wind-down test of my disk's bearing ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbAmiGRYdE
My Mylow HJ replication page
http://OverUnity.ca/Mylow
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: sterlinga on April 01, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
In suggesting that he jump on a plane to come here to San Jose to Thursday night's presentation at San Jose State University, he was a little skittish. He'll need to get off work, he wants his wife to come, and she's used up all her paid vacation for the year, and he's never been outside of Chicago. But he said he would start making some calls and get back to me.
I talked to Mylow again just now.
He's feeling rushed and doesn't want to give a public demo until he has a stable unit.
Presently things are crashing all the time, and he doesn't think that makes for a good demo.
I begged for him to post a video, putting his camera on a stand so he has both hands to hold things as he needs to on the motor.
He said that there is some really strange stuff going on with the motor. PMMTester had him manually hold the magnet up next to the rotor magnets, and the rotor started spinning. Mylow said that the faster it span the more the stator magnet was attracted toward the rotor magnets, to the point that is was almost more than he could hold.
While we were talking, he was working on the thing, and I heard a couple of noises that sounded like the rotor dinging as it rubbed up against something and the magnets hitting it as they came unglued and flew to the nearest magnetic surface. It sounded the same as the end of the video he showed on the glass table where the stator disc ran into the rotor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kki3aBMn_-k
He's likewise still uncomfortable with the idea of having others, whether PMMTester, who's been screening his email, or Mike Schuckel, come in to help him get his system stable so that it doesn't crash. He thinks they'll not be able to pull away from it, they'll be so fascinated with it; and they'll be sleeping on his floor, etc.
There is still a small chance he'll get it to a point that he's comfortable with it in time to fly out to join us at SJSU tomorrow evening, but we shouldn't count on it at this point. We should give him his space.
Sterling
Hi,
The only way that I can imagine this device working with out violating the law of conservation of energy, and the first law of thermodynamics is if Mylow has created a pump that is interacting with the ether.
Because this law only applies to isolated systems, and a process, which involves the transfer of ether from one side to the other, is hardly an isolated system.
Quote from: PhiScience on April 01, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Hi,
The only way that I can imagine this device working with out violating the law of conservation of energy, and the first law of thermodynamics is if Mylow has created a pump that is interacting with the ether.
Because this law only applies to isolated systems, and a process, which involves the transfer of ether from one side to the other, is hardly an isolated system.
Again, have no doubt, if what Mylow claims is real, that is a clear violation of CoE. No ether or anything else. That's a direct violation of CoE.
@ sterlinga
I have a lot of respect for you, but I think you are being very self centered to be asking Mylow to rush and show his motor so that it will fit into your schedule. I think you should be encouraging him to wait until he is sure everything is working before making a demo. To try to do a demo before everything is fully checked and tested is just asking for a failure. I do not think you should be trying to force him into a failed demo.
I just ordered the following two sizes to be shipped to Mylow from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Regular shipping, expected arrival next Tuesday.
HSPH2: $6.95
HSPH1: $15.95
They are not nearly as close in size, but their magnetism is a lot weaker. I'll be curious to see how much we can vary the size and still get rotation.
Sterling
@chef,
Radio is even crazier than atomic bombs, think about it. Why does everybody believe in the reality of radio and not in overunity? Well, the answer is obvious -- everyone can experience what radio is in a very practical sense, should one desire so. As for overunity, there's nothing practical yet. One can convince oneself theoretically that overunity is real by analyzing the magnetic propulsor but that doesn't bring food on the table, it isn't practical (although it can be made practical even in that form). Mylow's device would be a step forward in convincing society in the usefulness of overunity. However, many of us who are otherwise convinced in the reality of overunity are still not sure whether or not he really has what he claims to have. Look, the whole thing with the overunity is like the computers. Way back when, in the fifties of the last century, soviets were the leaders in computer technology but it was still just an academic pursuit. Society at large didn't have a clue about the forthcoming revolution, not to say that the few trying to say there would be such revolution were bitterly ridiculed. I'm a living witness to that. The society at large started to believe and accepted the notion of computers only after our entrepreneurial spirit here in the US transformed it from a purely academic pursuit into a practical thing that can sit on everyone's table. Computers are a counter intuitive thing, very much contrary to the essence of the human beings but they were transformed into categorical acceptance because of the obvious practical benefits they brings about.
G'day all,
From the latest reports it would appear that the specifications for the device don't have to be all that tight and that the motor will run in a variety of configurations with different kinds of magnets.
If that is correct it raises one question that bothers me.
How come Howard Johnson was unable to get it to run in over 30 years in spite of his monstrous budget?
Something to ponder
Hans von Lieven
@xee2,
We’ll know the answer to this very soon. I’m eagerly waiting to see @ClaNZeR’s video(s) of his weekend experiment. Then, we have @X00013 waiting for his magnets to arrive. Also, @queue’s replication (hope his cat won’t mind). Several other folks are in the process of replicating it too. I will also try to replicate it when the magnets arrive. So, as Mylow says, if it isn’t what he claims it is, it will soon be known no matter whether or not he flies to CA.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 01, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
I just ordered the following two sizes to be shipped to Mylow from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Regular shipping, expected arrival next Tuesday.
HSPH2: $6.95
HSPH1: $15.95
They are not nearly as close in size, but their magnetism is a lot weaker. I'll be curious to see how much we can vary the size and still get rotation.
I modified my order, per the following input, getting the two Felix recommended instead. I also ordered one: ACH1950 $19.80.
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
I'm curious to see how a channel magnet might perform in the stator position.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: felix
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rotor magnets
Thanks, Sterling.
Regarding HSPH1 and HSPH2 you just ordered, I find out HSPH1 is discontinued. Since you are not picky about size, I have these two in our warehouse:
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25". Price $8.95.
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09". Price $4.99.
We have $30 mini order, so will charge $5 handling fee if you buy these two. Please let me know.
@Chef,
Atomic bombs, radio, overunity aside, it is even weirder how something not only of no practical importance but an obvious nonsense such as Einstein’s theory of relativity has gained so much ground in our society. Some circles, exclusively academic and their media lackeys, have found out that they can use it as a tool to extract millions and billions from the not so smart politicians and won’t stop at any lie, manipulation and unscrupulous propaganda to keep the myth going. Obviously just uttering “Einstein†is the magic key foisted on society which efficiently opens the government coffers like nothing else. It would be really naive to expect these to judge objectively real scientific claims.
I find it rather interesting to watch the video's with the magnetic filings and the wave you can see in the magnetic filings... But I draw no conclusions to mention mylow may have something unfortunately I do not have the magnets to do the stone hinge replica I will be building a VWAT vertical axis wind turbine instead and use my magnets to generate some power I know that is possible!
But by all means it would be nice to see a replication working or not.
The impossible only takes longer!
Well, I am pulling for Mylow here. He has accomplished more thus far than I ever had been able to with magnet motor rotation. I also appreciate the way Sterling is supporting him by shipping magnets to him. I hope for the best for him and his experiments.
Bill
Hi Guys,
As 'Siné' (a French cartoonist) stated: I prefer cats to dogs because there are no Police Cats.
Very Best et bien le bonjour chez vous...
Hi witty OU dot com Guys,
Just my 2 cents.
IMHO: PaulLowance is a creative researcher/doer and has a strong personality.
We need people like him. Why would he be fired/proscribed out of this very forum (or any place, BTW) ???
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Now, a little story, just for the fun of it:
A 82 years old friend of mine (who, BTW, is also very creative with too a very strong personality) told me that he managed to get (twice) a sefl-runing-for-a-while-all-magnets-only-driven-device.
For-a-while because the ring magnet degaussed!
It was built from an old garbage car alternator, one ring magnet from
another dead microwave oven and some 'parallelepipedal' magnets from Conrad.
http://www.conrad.fr/aimants_ndfeb_p_18925_18998_51972_51977_FAS# (http://www.conrad.fr/aimants_ndfeb_p_18925_18998_51972_51977_FAS#)
Code : 503622-62
I visited him but he was not able to reproduce the phenomenon. Classical!
He offered me his 'thing' (but without the Conrad's Magnets).
So it is up to me to reproduce his claims.
Guess what?
I still not have ordered the said magnets.
Why?
- Because I have not being able (patient enough?) to run a mere Levitron and
he told me that it was a question of very accurate adjusting.
- Because, to me, this this sounds nothing but serendipity, chance, stumbling upon,
coming across.
I'm just wondering whether, should you not have any 'OU Mojo', (this kinda 'OU magical charm') it could work?
Yes, IMHO, 'OU' is possible.
But, magnets-only-motor is not the easiest way and seems to be only allowed (for the moment) to few.
Is/was? Mylow part of these happy few. That is a question.
Now: this MyLow saga looks less and less like a deliberate scam according to his vids.
Or is it a very long run one?
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You might have a look at Bill Tiller from Stanford University about some kind of strange stuffs.
This article is about such matter: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/golden.htm (http://www.cheniere.org/misc/golden.htm)
Yes, TH. Bearden is a new relativist and dare not to pronounce the very word 'Aether'.
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Some pictures of/about the Jean S. 'widget'
Very Best.
@ NerzhDishual
I was intrigued by your posting about your friends device. I placed a microwave magnet in the center of the platform that I build earlier in this thread and held varies magnets above it to see what kind of reaction it gave. I tried a second microwave magnet on the flat plain and also two stacks of neo's side by side. Mind you, I only held them by hand but I really think you should try your setup!! It was extremely easy to get a full rotation with both magnets. I will be pursuing this but you already have one ready to go. Give it a try!! I think you will be surprised.
Vince
Does anyone know where to get a hold of the raw data that Howard Johnson and Steve Davis mapped out with their XYZ Table/Hall Effect sensors?
Some more detailed specifications of their setup would be nice.
The book published by Cheniere Publishing says that the sampled data was stored on a floppy disk.
Does not seem that anyone went beyond the 3D imaging of the data that appears in the book.
Thanks and take care.
nap
Just my 2 cents.
IMHO: PaulLowance is a creative researcher/doer and has a strong personality.
We need people like him. Why would he be fired/proscribed out of this very forum (or any place, BTW)
G'day all,
I have to agree with this quote. People like Paul are definitely needed here. They can provide the ponybrake with their sometimes brutal comments to get others to stop, stand back for a moment and take stock of what they doing. In other words, it teaches you to apply critical analysis to a problem. Now, when you do or don't get a mathematical answer to the problem, you must stand back again and ask yourself -"is this yes or no answer reasonable and does it make sense?" based on the laws of physics and maths. It's all about common sense based on past and current physical repeatable evidence using those stated laws. This is what all undergraduate engineers are vigorously taught.
Now, I don't believe all the so called 'skeptics' on this 'free energy' research are out to get you. You may get the odd vindictive type who gets a kick out of seeing people fail because he or she thinks they are smarter than you. Fortunately some are very smart, but unfortunately they leave their manners in the dumb dept. That's life folks.
I dare say that most 'skeptics' here are trying to help others realise that the fundamental laws of nature are to be adhered to. This could save them time, heartache and of course money. If, on the other hand you have plenty of time and money then by all means go for it,
BUT!!!
Now, I don't know how many on this forum have a physics or maths background, but I strongly recommend those who don't to go and do a basic physics and mathematical foundations course at a college or night school, or grab some books and teach yourself. This will enpower you with the tools necessary to play with this type of research to know what can and cannot work. I believe this idea would at least put a lot more people on the same page and reduce the 'us' verses 'them' mentality. :)
Welp. Horseshoe magnet wins out as the rotor instead of a neo only rotor.
I couldn't get the stator to get past the first 5 or 6 neo rotor's in a set of about 20.
So I decided to go ahead with the horseshoe rotors as they gave me very promising results.
Nothing new in this video, but if you wish :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9l3HCw5Pp0
@ clanzer, here's a pic with dims, i put the offset center cut, and you may want to cut a bit more than half, i put the dims in mm, and THANKS. with less than $20 us , u can magnitize mild steel every way since Jesus was born.
@ Que Thanks for sharing
@ Sterlinga, I'm doing my best, 40+ vids aint gonna seperate me from my money. All i need is one.
@ Paul L., DUDE, grab a cigar n drink, stick a umbrellad' diode in it, and post a VIDEO RANT ABOUT THE OU FREEKY DEEKY shite!!, I WOULD LOVE IT!!!!!
Decided to join this group and add my 5 cents worth. Reading this rapidly growing number of posts has been fun, but there seems to be much talk and surprisingly little action. Everyone seems to be waiting for Mylow to get his act together. I appreciate that there are a few others also building as well. I guess the high price of Mylow's magnets limits the degree of participation. OK here's my 5 cents worth... I just built what I call the Popsicle stick motor. Here's how to do it:
1.Take one skate board wheel (got mine from my sons bedroom still attached to his long board), and hot melt glue to wheel the plastic top from a food processor (you know that piece of plastic that stop the food from being spread around the kitchen went you hit the switch).
2.Take 25 Popsicle sticks and cut in half with a sharp knife (just sore really and break in half), this keeps your cost down.
3.Hot melt glue Popsicle sticks around plastic edge of food processors top.
4.Hot melt two rows of button magnets to Popsicle sticks. Builders note: don't glue to sticks before gluing them to food processor lid. This is very important, try it and you will find out.
5.Now that the rotor is built, time for the stator . Take one bar magnet, yes I said bar magnet not a horseshoe magnet, and hold in orthogonally to the outside of the stators magnets. And there you have it a working demonstration of Mylow's motor built inside out, or is it outside in.
Some noteworthy observations. Tolerances appear not to be very important. It you saw my Popsicle sticks going every which way you would agree too. The speed of rotation is proportional to the strength of the bar magnet and I assume all that of the stator magnets. Mine were N45's.
Please do not ask for pictures because I had to dissemble it before my wife and son got home. I did not appreciate how well hot melt bonds to plastic. I have ordered more button magnets (about $30 worth) and will be building a more professional looking version in due coarse. One final thought, why did Howard Johnson not also do this given his 30 years of effort?
It mite help if i include the pic ;D
The original photo shows Mylow’s two rotor gaps, relative to the total stator size. Important stuff I'm sure. I also think the size of the stator's own gap, relative to the size of the rotors, is probably important too. Likely not just a coincidence in making sure this doesn't stick, etc.
Looking at the original photo, I noticed that the two rotors, when placed together, appear to fit inside one side of the gap, and to the outside of the other end of the stator. I edited the original photo to show this relative measurement technique in a second photo.
This ALSO happens to illustrate at the same time that two gaps equal the size of one end of the stator magnet.
Since Mylow's exact magnets can't be purchased anymore, I think these relative measurement techniques could be a quick way for folks to do an easy visual check, to be sure their own magnet combinations are closely proportional to Mylow's magnet set.
Chase212327
@ chase, u chimed in at the wrong time and on the wrong subject, ( Mylow blocked me on youtube after I commented on his "gapping") , this is the from Mylows dim vid
And this is the gapping on the working unit,
Brain lag,
Now what pissis me off, is he goes from his gapping to preaching from the hj book. And every f?kn body is doing hell knows what, when all he needs to do is what?
@ all, I started this thread, and from day one, Omnibus said what do you think?, my response was, I'm gonna sit, let it brew, and brewd it has, the ball is Mylows court. Nuff b shit.
@ HiggsField,
Can you please draw us a picture of your popsicle motor? I am not sure I understand the layout.
Hans von Lieven
Sorry X00013, my intent surely wasn't to upset anyone. I though I'd simply share something that I observed and others might find interesting and/or helpful.
Here's what I understand to be the High Quality video of the running motor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398&feature=channel_page
It is difficult to measure much of anything from this...
Here's an angle showing the Running Motor's rotor faces and a few gaps...
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 01, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
G'day all,
From the latest reports it would appear that the specifications for the device don't have to be all that tight and that the motor will run in a variety of configurations with different kinds of magnets.
If that is correct it raises one question that bothers me.
How come Howard Johnson was unable to get it to run in over 30 years in spite of his monstrous budget?
Something to ponder
Hans von Lieven
Hans, maybe getting such motor running was not the problem.
I have a strong feeling (and also others that participate in this discussion) that the real problem might be the wear out of the magnet(s) on the longer term.
But let's wait for Mylow, Clanzer and other implementers. I admire their persistence.
@ All:
Anyone that knows me on here knows I am no scientist. I really fail to see how a magnet, any magnet, can lose its properties in this short a time span. I have a magnet my Dad gave me over 30 years ago that has a metal "keeper" on it. (horseshoe) To me, this means the magnet has been pulling against that metal plate for over those 30 years and yet, it is still strong. What could it possibly be about Mylow's set-up that depletes the magnetic properties in such a short time span? Could it be the n/s switching that occurs when it passes the other perimeter magnets? Is it pulsing the magnet in some frequency that is a mathematical division of the frequency used to magnetize the magnet in the first place? This really confuses me here. What part does the aluminum play in this, if any? I have used permanent magnetic chucks on surface grinding machines that were over 50 years old and still held like they were new. Am I to believe that if I waved another magnet over them switching n/s n/s for a time period that the chucks would no longer work?
I am not doubting Mylow here but I am calling into question this depletion of the stator magnet for some of the possible reasons that have been stated. Is it really depleting? Well, evidently it is. I want to know why but, I guess just about everyone else here, including Mylow does too.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 02, 2009, 04:11:45 AM
@ All:
Anyone that knows me on here knows I am no scientist. I really fail to see how a magnet, any magnet, can lose its properties in this short a time span. I have a magnet my Dad gave me over 30 years ago that has a metal "keeper" on it. (horseshoe) To me, this means the magnet has been pulling against that metal plate for over those 30 years and yet, it is still strong. What could it possibly be about Mylow's set-up that depletes the magnetic properties in such a short time span? Could it be the n/s switching that occurs when it passes the other perimeter magnets? Is it pulsing the magnet in some frequency that is a mathematical division of the frequency used to magnetize the magnet in the first place? This really confuses me here. What part does the aluminum play in this, if any? I have used permanent magnetic chucks on surface grinding machines that were over 50 years old and still held like they were new. Am I to believe that if I waved another magnet over them switching n/s n/s for a time period that the chucks would no longer work?
I am not doubting Mylow here but I am calling into question this depletion of the stator magnet for some of the possible reasons that have been stated. Is it really depleting? Well, evidently it is. I want to know why but, I guess just about everyone else here, including Mylow does too.
Bill
Iron horseshoe magnets lose their charge when used for repulsion. It looks like he's overcome the problem using samarium cobalt strips on the old stator magnet and reportedly a different stator altogether. Aluminum is used because it's nonmagnetic.
@ Bill,
Take that keeper off and see where that gets you after a while. (On a horseshoe magnet that is) That is why it is called a keeper. It keeps the magnetism intact.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2009, 02:09:02 AM
@AbbaRue,
Interestingly, way back during the times of Steorn brouhaha we were discussing the quasi-one-pole reshaping of their field as the solution. There was this 5-magnet array whose name escapes me now which creates such quasi-one-pole magnetic field. If you go back in this thread I mentioned it to Stefan as a possibility here as well. Would be interesting if that’s the case here too.
Well done Omnibus. You're not just a pretty face then. You have put your finger on the spot. It is indeed the Halbach array (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array) in the case of both the Kinetica toy and the Mylow motor which is giving rise to the quasi-adiabatic legs on the Mylow Cycle.
It's all over then innit. :) - bar the shouting.
Who's going to be the first to replicate Mylow's Motor?
OK, I got my wheel done, and still need to buy small more neos.
I don't want to get into the glue. I am looking for a plastic trim edge to slip on the wheel rim and I will put the magnets in and use plastic spacers between the neos. This way I can simply move spacers around to change the "neospaces" and they won't fly out and hit me in the chin.
See pictures. The third picture is what I am thinking of using to secure any stator angle. Basically a microphone stand.
This wheel does not have the high inertia potential as all you guys. I turn it by hand hard and it turns for about 15-20 seconds. So I am not counting on wheel momentum. I will be concentrating on the fields. Also, keep in mind that a wheel does not have to be self-starting. Self starting means nothing. If without a stator my hand spin will last 15 seconds and with the stator it lasts hours, does that say something. Helloooooooooo. What we should also consider is some designs may require one to spin it and use the stator to keep it turning from that point on because until the wheel gets to a certain spin rate, it may not turn on its own and this is perfectly acceptable in any scientific point of view.
WHEEL - SPECIFICATIONS
Aluminum Pizza Pan 15.25"
Drill center 5/8" and bolts 1/4".
APP Bearing www.kml-bearing.com UCFL-201-08
http://www.kml-bearing.com/products/bearings/mounted_bearing_units_and_inserts_show.jsp?bearing_no=UCFL201-8&cat_id=11010501
Riser Shaft 1/2" SS Length can vary
Wheel Base - Any solid material with two 1/2" bearings in the center.
Neo magnets 1/2" dia. by 1/4" thick - poles through thickness.
I stuck some magnets together from over and under the pan and tried some "statoring" angles and it wants to turn but I need more magnets.
What has bugged me was Mylow tried with two stators and it did not work.
Then I realized his odd number of rotors and spacing makes it impossible because there is never a common point between the two stators. Their mutual timing will always change versus the other as the rotor turns.
Then I thought about this. Again the 3-6-9.
Set of three, pack of six, nine packs which gives 54 rotor magnets.
This will permit using at least 3 stators and this way multiple stators would have a common timing point.
So I will try 54 rotors, in three phase, 3 sets of 6 per phase.
Now to calculate my spacer widths. lol
Then I can play too...................
@Mylow
If you read this, please take one of your channel rotor magnets and lift as much iron as you can with it, then weigh the iron and please tell me how much it lifted. I need to know this before I decide what channel rotor magnets to test. I can make two pizza pans, one with neo magnet and one with channel magnet who cares. It's only Pizza. Too me it looks like your rotor could lift maybe 1 pound, but I really, well we really, need to know this. This will tell me what I need for my wheel based on that number. If you can do this, I will change the name of the wheel to any topping you desire. lol. We aim to please. If you can find some small iron washers and put them on a scale, see how much it is, then put your magnet and lift as many washers as possible and see the scale again. Example: 2-lb of washers. Lift washers with magnet. 1-lb of washers left on the scale means you lifted 1 pound. That's all I need to know. Then we all could use the same iron washer spec as a comparison. That's how we all can learn more. Thanks.
@wattsup: Looks good man!
I'm pretty sure that the neo's will have issues. I would just save some cash and go for just the channel magnets.
Is your microphone pole aluminum or some other magnetic metal?
I see that know body has rushed to build my Popsicle stick motor.A little unfair perhaps as my breakthrough announcement was made only some 10 hours ago.
I came to this forum via a news thread. Having read a good many of the postings in amongst the ranting of PL, it seems fairly clear than many folks here have little or no technical eduction (not being rude, just an observation). I have little doubt that Mylow was successful in achieving continuous rotation for a while, but the fact that his stator magnet depleted tells us something quite important. From what I can gather H. Johnson had similar problems. Here is why I think this happens:
1. Magnets represent a source of stored magnetic potential energy. You can demonstrate this quite simply. Secure a magnetic to a beam. Hang weights from it. You will reach a point were the magnetic can no longer hold the weights. The stored P.E. in the magnet will be mg (mass x gravity = weight) x height above the earth; i.e the P.E. stored in the weights balances out the P.E. stored in the magnet. When the weights are removed the all the P.E. is returned to the magnet and it regains its strength. Important note, in this setup no WORK is being done, hence the weight hangs there for several eons.
2. It would seem logical that the stator magnet will deplete because in Mylow's setup he is asking the magnets to do WORK. … I take my hat off to Mylow for his efforts as he was able to do what Steorn could not do... In doing work (represented by bearing friction + windage + noise), he is extracting energy from the magnets. Hence, I would expect the magnetic potential energy to be used up and as a result become demagnetize.
3. My aim now is to build a new Popsicle motor, one I can be proud of and prove my thesis. Using iron magnets for the stator should mean that the the depletion effect will happen sooner, neos have much more stored magnetic P.E..
One final comment: there seems to be an interested push/pull effect happening that drives the rotor without cogging. And regarding the Aluminum disc, this is not I believe important to the motor, in fact it will likely contribute to the Work load via eddy current heating. Wood or plastic would I think be a better choice.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 02, 2009, 04:11:45 AM
I am not doubting Mylow here but I am calling into question this depletion of the stator magnet for some of the possible reasons that have been stated. Is it really depleting? Well, evidently it is. I want to know why but, I guess just about everyone else here, including Mylow does too.
Bill
If what you are thinking is a true fact then audio or video magnetic tape could never be re-recorded
and reused. Magnetization in *certain* iron materials is not permanent and a quantizing effect is not
surprising. Fortunately, we live in an age of neo magnets whose behavior is very near to theoretical.
I guess it is fortunate to live in the age when materials can be remagnetized as it makes computer
disk drives possible.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@mscoffman
Read my above post, which explains why the stator and also I suspect the rotor magnets deplete (if they did not Peredev would have a commercial motor, he does not).
Magnetic materials like hard discs, audio and video tape have magnetic domains whose field direction can be set via an electric field. This is how information if able to be stored. Re-recording overwrites the previously set directional state of the domains.
Quote from: HiggsField on April 02, 2009, 11:08:59 AM
I see that know body has rushed to build my Popsicle stick motor.A little unfair perhaps as my breakthrough announcement was made only some 10 hours ago.
Hi,
Perhaps a little drawing from you would push us into some rushing... :) ::) :) I for one do not really get how you mean exactly your setup.
Thanks, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on April 02, 2009, 11:38:26 AM
Hi,
Perhaps a little drawing from you would push us into some rushing... :) ::) :) I for one do not really get how you mean exactly your setup.
Thanks, Gyula
Whats the saying?, A picture means a thousand words? :)
@carbonc_cc
I'll check the microphone stand metal type when I'm back home.
@HiggsField
Look interesting but please note that on this thread we are specifically working on the Mylow design. May I recommend that you open a new thread on the alternator and/or popsicle design, but you are always welcome on this thread for this specific topic.
To open a new thread just go here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=1.0
and click on the New Topic link.
I think Gyulasun knows how to start a thread 8-)
Ill build the popsicle motor. What flavor were they?
The sticks weren't coated with something weird were they?
BEP
Quote from: canam101 on April 02, 2009, 08:17:39 AM
So I am confused that you think it is all over....
I can't think why you're confused,
If you read my posts you would see why I think it's all over.
You might not agree with my reasons but I think you would recognise that believing I know how the motor works and where it it getting its energy from 8), I think it's all over. :)
I'm just waiting for everyone else to catch up. ;)
I think Gyulasun knows how to start a thread 8-)
Ill build the popsicle motor. What flavor were they?
The sticks weren't coated with something weird were they?
saliva!!!
@wattsup
Your point is well taken. My design embodied the spirit of Mylow's design, but like the Easter Island men, my magnets looked outward to ease contruction. The multitude of sticks however did resemble stone henge, since I had to add top members to prevent the magnets from being draw to each other, sometime violently when the hot glue bond failed. I'm waiting on my magnet order presently, so Mylow or one of the other builders will likely get there sooner given my late start. Perhaps they will prove my thesis that the magnets will allways deplete and thus these types of motor do not represent a fruitful avenue of research, except to make toys which can be very profitable.
Have no doubt, if he starts the rotor from stand-still at the “sweet spot†and the rotor makes more than one turn on its own, this is an overunity machine beyond doubt.
By Omnibus
Is there general consensus that this is correct?
i seems that in the replication builds so far, the "sweet spot" exists only when the array of magnets is incomplete. when fully arranged, .... time will tell.
cam
@billmehess
No, one complete rotation does not show overunity. To be so called overunity, the magnets will have to not deplete over time, in which case it will run forever and you will be able to build a larger model with more stator poles and attach an electric generator to the shaft. You would then have to explain where the energy is coming from to drive the system (one for the boffins at the Universities I think if we every get to that point).
Hi Gang,
Video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
My replication of MYLOWS gate. Just need more buttons, will try to pick
up later today and finish it. IT IS NOT SELF STARTING, needs buttons to
be placed in U magnet. IT is EXACTLY what you see. Buttons all "N" facing out. Bearings are out
of a old BIG BEN alarm clock that I got at a flea market and removed them and the associated wheels/pins.
U magnet I got from Edmund Scientific years ago when I was fooling with Testatika wheel. Rotor is a small
7UP can (AL) with brass shim plates cut and super glued into ends and then center punched/drilled for wheels/pins.
The old red paint on the rotor was insulation from an earlier experiment.
I had a dual set of buttons all "S" facing out and it worked identical with both sets in place.
Thats all
Ben
Quote from: billmehess on April 02, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
Have no doubt, if he starts the rotor from stand-still at the “sweet spot†and the rotor makes more than one turn on its own, this is an overunity machine beyond doubt.
~ By Omnibus
Is there general consensus that this is correct?
billmehess:
No, there is no consensus. I am hopeful that Mylow's device will do these things,
and will prove to be an overunity machine,
and that ultimately this magnetic motor research will prove to be truly beneficial. Time will tell.
But I also think arguments such as whether certain conditions show "overunity" have no real value. There are probably hundreds of derailed threads in this and other forums in which people have argued for weeks over things that cannot yet be proven either way.
Quote from: HiggsField on April 02, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
@billmehess
No, one complete rotation does not show overunity. To be so called overunity, the magnets will have to not deplete over time, in which case it will run forever and you will be able to build a larger model with more stator poles and attach an electric generator to the shaft. You would then have to explain where the energy is coming from to drive the system (one for the boffins at the Universities I think if we every get to that point).
This is incorrect.
Quote from: plengo on April 02, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
no it is not correct. I must spin at least one million, three hundred fifty seven and nine five times! :)
Fausto.
This is also incorrect.
Quote from: oak on April 02, 2009, 01:04:30 PM
billmehess:
No, there is no consensus. I am hopeful that Mylow's device will do these things, and will prove to be an overunity machine, and that ultimately this magnetic motor research will prove to be truly beneficial. Time will tell.
But I also think arguments such as whether certain conditions show "overunity" have no real value. There are probably hundreds of derailed threads in this and other forums in which people have argued for weeks over things that cannot yet be proven either way.
Let someone show two full turns of a rotor on its own starting from stand-still and then we'll talk is it or is it not overunity. It is, of course. Unfortunately, no one so far has shown such a thing, proving continuous production of excess energy (discontinuous production of excess energy, that is violation of CoE, has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt).
Quote from: slapper on April 01, 2009, 11:03:09 PM
Does anyone know where to get a hold of the raw data that Howard Johnson and Steve Davis mapped out with their XYZ Table/Hall Effect sensors?
Some more detailed specifications of their setup would be nice.
The book published by Cheniere Publishing says that the sampled data was stored on a floppy disk.
Does not seem that anyone went beyond the 3D imaging of the data that appears in the book.
Thanks and take care.
nap
Gday all,
Okay, I thought for the curiosity of the exercise, I would have a look at what all the mysterious secrecy pertaining to magnets that was unearthed by HJ in his book.
So, according to his findings using the hall effect sensors, he discovered that the N and S fields actually produce a 2 and 3 dimensional pattern that curls out and returns back into the magnetic material earlier, rather than following the more traditional N and S field line patterns we use to see in high school. Okay, I can see that. Well done for the discovery of that fact.
However, it still doesn't mean that because they form a different field shape that the field itself is going to produce some mysterious excess energy at those outer edges.
An easy test would be to put a piece of copper wire in that edge area and measure an electron flow in the wire or a voltage and current across it whilst NOT moving the wire. I will guarantee you will NOT get a voltage. Why? Because it's a STATIC field. The only way to get the wire to produce a voltage and current is for the wire itself to be moving perpendicular or at right angles through the static magnetic field lines.
So, as I said in my first post, that unless the magnetic field was pulsating naturally, then you definitely would be able to get useful work from it and yes have a sort of self -running magnet motor.
So now let's carefully think about this. If a magnet had a pulsating field, wouldn't the magnet itself be doing it's own work? If you say yes, then it must obey Newton's laws and it would run down, whilst generating some heat too. Therefore, your self-running magnet motor will stop.
Right about now I"m betting some of you are gonna say " Ahah!! but Mylow's magnet has lost it's magnetism whilst supposedly running his wheel, therefore, it must be imparting energy". No this is not correct. This unfortunately is where the 'skeptical' rises up in me. Sorry guys.
If that was the case then Mylow and any other person would observe and feel a thermodynamic condition such as heat coming from his magnet as it begins to stop.
It can only be the weak domains within the material of his magnet that do not have strong magnetic alignment properties, eg. Alnico metal.
Therefore, his reported decrease in magnetism is more than likely due to some external influence on the domains of his magnet eg. the rotor magnets' magnetic fields, a sharp hit, dropped on the floor perhaps etc...
Okay. I can still hear some of you saying "but Mylow said his wheel ran for several hrs or something". Alright. Let's say it did run. So now his magnet is run down and he's going to have to charge it up forever like a battery. So where would this energy come from to recharge the magnet? A power station burning fossil fuel or using solar or wind (I know wind and solar are technically free from the sun)?
So the question is - Could you really say that your magnet motor was really now a 'free energy' machine in the true sense of what O.U is all about?
Please think carefully about what I've written before anyone decides my newbie status is up already and condemns me to the 'skeptics' dungeon. I'm only trying to get people to use critical thinking and common sense. Always ask yourself " so where does the energy come in from?"
Cheers.
QuoteSo now his magnet is run down and he's going to have to charge it up forever like a battery.
This is incorrect. As I explained already more than once demagnetization of a permanent magnet requires spending of energy. Therefore, a permanent magnet is not an energy reservoir like a battery. The situation is exactly the opposite and degaussing of the magnets during the work of Mylow's machine still further proves its overunity character, provided it is true that it can run for 11, let alone 27hours, as he claimed in one of his vids.
Quote from: k4zep on April 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
Hi Gang,
Video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
Thats all
Ben
Nice setup Ben.
Well done.
try to get more magnets and let us see,
if it will run.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: plengo on April 02, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
You missed my point Omnibus. The funny is the uselessness of trying to demonstrate the OU on such device and confusing that with CoE violation. There is no such CoE violation thing. I would understand 2LTD violation.
Energy can not be created or destroyed.
Fausto.
Please no more discussion about Conservation of Energy in this topic.
If it is this or just just a thermo-magnetic caloric cycle converting
surrounding heat into mechanical motion or some kind of Barkhausen jumps
energy conversion inside the iron stator will be seen,
when enough working rebuilds will be done and the universities can
check this out later.
Please let us concentrate here on the rebuilds and verify the original
design and how it can be scaled up.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: sirinewton on April 02, 2009, 01:41:19 PM
Always ask yourself " so where does the energy come in from?"
And you will find the answer here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg167325#msg167325
More specifically, in the last paragraph.
Quote from: Grimer on April 02, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
And you will find the answer here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg167325#msg167325
More specifically, in the last paragraph.
No, if what Mylow demonstrates is real no earlier energy reservoir is required.
Quote from: k4zep on April 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
Hi Gang,
Video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
My replication of MYLOWS gate. Just need more buttons, will try to pick
up later today and finish it. IT IS NOT SELF STARTING, needs buttons to
be placed in U magnet. IT is EXACTLY what you see. Buttons all "N" facing out. Bearings are out
of a old BIG BEN alarm clock that I got at a flea market and removed them and the associated wheels/pins.
U magnet I got from Edmund Scientific years ago when I was fooling with Testatika wheel. Rotor is a small
7UP can (AL) with brass shim plates cut and super glued into ends and then center punched/drilled for wheels/pins.
The old red paint on the rotor was insulation from an earlier experiment.
I had a dual set of buttons all "S" facing out and it worked identical with both sets in place.
Thats all
Ben
Hi Ben.
Great Youtube! Your setup is nearly identical to my Popsicle motor, except my son would not let me drill into his skate board wheels. I got the same result, two rows of magnets all with the south pole facing out. Instead of using a horse shoe magnet I used a bar magnet orthogonal to the rotor magnets. My gate worked just the same way. Reversing the polarity of the stator magnet change the direction of rotation. Like you I ran out of button magnets and am waiting for a delivery to get this thing completed. I think you would agree, this configuration is quick and easy to build and much less expensive than Mylows machine. Mine seemed to be a self starter, probably because I brought my stator magnet up to the rotor. I think I know why one can get rotation out of this configuration, but I do not what to jump the gun here.
Hi Stefan,
The most important news these days will probably be coming from @CLaNZeR this weekend, as far as I can see. Unlless @queue comes up with a vid of his device or Mylow suddenly decides to post that particular video most people have asked him to shoot. I guess, myself as well as most folks are stuck at this moment for lack of magnets. They'll be arriving not sooner than two weeks.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 01:42:31 PM
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I repeat, two full turns of the rotor on its own, starting from a stand-still would be enough to prove overunity. Let it do whatever else it pleases after that (it will undoubtedly continue to spin in the same direction), continuous production of excess energy, that is, violation of CoE would have already been proven by that time.
I agree it's "violation of CoE" as presently understood - which is why academics won't pay attention to the Mylow Motor until it bites them on the bum - and why their hangers on and fellow travellers are desperately trying to limit the scope of the motor.
Stick with it Omnibus and run down anyone who has the death wish to step out in your path. ;)
In case I am traducing the academic community perhaps some of them would be prepared to "come out" and be counted,
@Grimer,
I agree w/ Stefan that now there can't be anything more important than seeing Mylow's claim reproduced. Unfortunately, some people don't understand that this isn't the right moment for a theoretical discussion. On the other hand, I can't leave incorrect statements unanswered.
As for your activity in the Steorn forum, it seems it's throwing some people there in disarray. Keep pouncing, Grimer. Hope this time reproducing the effect will come about sooner rather than later and this will teach them a lesson.
Omnibus says 2 times around for over unity, the rest of the group says no because the magnets will at some time "run down", so are they saying that an operating magnetic motor is not an example of overunity? It either is or it isn't!
Is then for a magnetic motor to be over unity it must be by defined as a PPM?
Please bare with me on this there is a very good reason I am asking.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
The "transformation" aspect can never be violated while the "conservation" one can, as I have already definitively proved in the case of a magnetic propulsor, which produces excess energy discontinuously.
sorry to fuel this off-board conversation but could you provide any link showing that ?
thank you !
Quote from: mpavenir on April 02, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
sorry to fuel this off-board conversation but could you provide any link showing that ?
thank you !
I can provide but not at this time. The most important issue at this time is replicating Mylow's claim.
I posted this in the Yahoo Forum to maybe relieve Mylow's mind from trying to get a "self starter" motor.
"Mylow,
You can stop worring about the "auto starting" capability of this motor using some magnet layout...
That can VERY EASILY be handled by using stored energy in a battery or capacitor to drive a starting circuit assembly with servos and small electric motors. This can automatically put the rotor in the correct "sweet spot" to get the motor started. You only need to store enough energy to run the servo and circuitry to do a full turn of the rotor... After the motor starts up it charges the battery/capacitor bank...
Kinda like having the starter in your car crank over your engine using the stored energy in the battery. Then as the car runs, it recharges the battery for the next startup..."
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 02, 2009, 02:47:12 PM
I posted this in the Yahoo Forum to maybe relieve Mylow's mind from trying to get a "self starter" motor.
"Mylow,
You can stop worring about the "auto starting" capability of this motor using some magnet layout...
That can VERY EASILY be handled by using stored energy in a battery or capacitor to drive a starting circuit assembly with servos and small electric motors. This can automatically put the rotor in the correct "sweet spot" to get the motor started. You only need to store enough energy to run the servo and circuitry to do a full turn of the rotor... After the motor starts up it charges the battery/capacitor bank...
Kinda like having the starter in your car crank over your engine using the stored energy in the battery. Then as the car runs, it recharges the battery for the next startup..."
No, he specifically shouldn't do that because it will immediately compromise it in the eyes of the critics who are ready to dismiss it anyway and would catch at any possible straw to denounce it. Mylow should start it the way he is starting it now. This is a self-starter if everything else is as claimed.
Mike Brady (Perendev) compromised his motor this way.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 02, 2009, 02:47:12 PM
I posted this in the Yahoo Forum to maybe relieve Mylow's mind from trying to get a "self starter" motor.
"Mylow,
You can stop worring about the "auto starting" capability of this motor using some magnet layout...
That can VERY EASILY be handled by using stored energy in a battery or capacitor to drive a starting circuit assembly with servos and small electric motors. This can automatically put the rotor in the correct "sweet spot" to get the motor started. You only need to store enough energy to run the servo and circuitry to do a full turn of the rotor... After the motor starts up it charges the battery/capacitor bank...
Kinda like having the starter in your car crank over your engine using the stored energy in the battery. Then as the car runs, it recharges the battery for the next startup..."
And you can't say it too often (I like the CAPS :) )
Some cold-hearted, shortsighted person on another forum said:
Quote
His videos are a waste of time to watch. They NEVER show the entire wheel when it's starting, they NEVER back up sufficiently to show how it must spin down, and they never provide any sort of measurement. NOBODY with an IQ in double digits who made a thing like this would show it like this. It's an OBVIOUS fraud. Anyone who believes this joker (because I am sure it is some sort of joke) is a moron-- at least about this sort of thing.
While I think that is way out of line, I still cannot quite understand why mylow didn't make a 5 or 10-minute video during that 20-hour run.
I am sure there is a good reason, but I cannot think what it is.
It is also a bit puzzling as to why he took the whole thing apart when he already had achieved OU, and is now struggling to get it working again.
Well, no doubt it will soon be working and we will finally have a good 10-minute video, maybe a webcam; and even if mylow has problems, there are enough people working on replications so that we should see some OU soon. Along with everyone else, I am looking forward to what Clanzer comes up with this weekend.
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
Just uploaded the first video .. will probably get a couple more hours in today.
Not sure how the jerkiness got into the youtube version .. it's very smooth in the original file ? ? ..
seems to have appeared in the online version after Youtube processed it.
i filmed it in 640 480 30 fps ..
Anyway .. guess i'll find out soon enough if my disk win spin like his.
It's here on Youtube ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGaXgQWj6o
Cheers
Queue
Howdy,
All I am trying to show is that the gate works when pre-loaded loaded. You have found the same thing. I also suspect my wheel is too small and there is a lot of interaction between the front and back of the magnets and the U stator magnet. A large wheel like MYLOWS might be necessary to keep the magnetic isolaition intact. I think I know where to get magnets here in St. Pete, FL. IF the simple 3 magnet rotor/stator gate when loaded can push another set of magnets into the gate upon it's exit via. induced energy, we are home free. But then again, nothing is ever as simple as it seems! I must build a new larger wheel! That takes time!
Ben
Quote from: HiggsField on April 02, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
Hi Ben.
Great Youtube! Your setup is nearly identical to my Popsicle motor, except my son would not let me drill into his skate board wheels. I got the same result, two rows of magnets all with the south pole facing out. Instead of using a horse shoe magnet I used a bar magnet orthogonal to the rotor magnets. My gate worked just the same way. Reversing the polarity of the stator magnet change the direction of rotation. Like you I ran out of button magnets and am waiting for a delivery to get this thing completed. I think you would agree, this configuration is quick and easy to build and much less expensive than Mylows machine. Mine seemed to be a self starter, probably because I brought my stator magnet up to the rotor. I think I know why one can get rotation out of this configuration, but I do not what to jump the gun here.
Quote from: canam101 on April 02, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
Some cold-hearted, shortsighted person on another forum said:
While I think that is way out of line, I still cannot quite understand why mylow didn't make a 5 or 10-minute video during that 20-hour run.
I am sure there is a good reason, but I cannot think what it is.
It is also a bit puzzling as to why he took the whole thing apart when he already had achieved OU, and is now struggling to get it working again.
Well, no doubt it will soon be working and we will finally have a good 10-minute video, maybe a webcam; and even if mylow has problems, there are enough people working on replications so that we should see some OU soon. Along with everyone else, I am looking forward to what Clanzer comes up with this weekend.
Good questions. I also remember how upset he was when allegations popped up that he may not be truthful. He replied something of the sort that it would be ridiculous for him to lie because if he did it would still become obvious. How true. And yet, indeed, why isn't he showing that crucial 10min video?
Anyway, looking forward to seeing @CLaNZeR's weekend videos. Good luck @CLaNZeR.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
No, he specifically shouldn't do that because it will immediately compromise it in the eyes of the critics who are ready to dismiss it anyway and would catch at any possible straw to denounce it. Mylow should start it the way he is starting it now. This is a self-starter if everything else is as claimed.
My point is to stop him from trying to "improve" on his design at the moment and to get back to what was working for others to continue analyzing...
The circuit and stuff I mentioned was for after getting his original motor back up and running.
Thanks @queue, seems promising. Look forward to watch the behavior of the full set around the rim. Good luck.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 02, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
My point is to stop him from trying to "improve" on his design at the moment and to get back to what was working for others to continue analyzing...
The circuit and stuff I mentioned was for after getting his original motor back up and running.
I agree 100% regarding the improvement. How can we get this across to him, I wonder?
Nice work. It seems the length of run and magnet spacing does have a lot to do with this thing. Again a game of mass in motion to overcome the next gate. Your video shows this very well. Now if it can be looped is the next question to be answered by the replications.
This all is getting good despite the yak on the thread.
Quote from: queue on April 02, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
Just uploaded the first video .. will probably get a couple more hours in today.
Not sure how the jerkiness got into the youtube version .. it's very smooth in the original file ? ? ..
seems to have appeared in the online version after Youtube processed it.
i filmed it in 640 480 30 fps ..
Anyway .. guess i'll find out soon enough if my disk win spin like his.
It's here on Youtube ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGaXgQWj6o
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 02, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
Just uploaded the first video .. will probably get a couple more hours in today.
Excellent Queue, keep them videos coming
Cheers
Sean.
Good luck. The only way to have his hand clear of it: (and folks saying that is not the drive) is to make it self start. That is what he is working on now. His rotor magnets are toast. maybe he will go with some of the new ons and the old method of having to start it, maybe not. Not much any of us can do about it. Well one possibility is to send him a new wheel to mount on, and some more rotor magnets, as these do seem to be limited.
I am not that sure of it to do so.
Were as I can speculate on the how and why of this, replication will be the most likely way to tell.Seems a lot are working on it.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 03:09:17 PM
I agree 100% regarding the improvement. How can we get this across to him, I wonder?
Nice work Queue! Can't wait for more.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 03:03:06 PM
Anyway, looking forward to seeing @CLaNZeR's weekend videos. Good luck @CLaNZeR.
Thanks mate
I am really hoping my Iron bar turns up as convinced this is the magic ingredient, even if it does de-magnetise over time. It is a starting point as such.
I also agree that just getting 1-2 full revolutions from stand still will be a bloody miracle after all the setup's I have played with over time.
It does not matter if the initial design rig can run a LED or not, just for the fact that it overcame what thousands of other designs failed to deliver a complete revolution is hell of a achievement.
This design IF proved by other replicators is then a starting point that they have not had before to build on and improve.
Roll on weekend hehe
Cheers
Sean.
QuoteQuote from: Omnibus on Today at 03:03:06 PM
Anyway, looking forward to seeing @CLaNZeR's weekend videos. Good luck @CLaNZeR.
I second that comment...
Quote from: Omnibus on April 02, 2009, 02:58:12 PM
How shortsighted.
He wants to run before he can walk.
@higgsfield
bring it on
Wiz
:-[
well, it's almost Friday....didn't mylow say at some point that he had taken the unit apart three times and put it back together, no problem?
Dixie
That was before sterlinga sent him new toys to try
Chet
sterling is santa?
:o
Another magnet idea, looks very promising
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7146.0;topicseen
Chet
Quote from: queue on April 02, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
It's here on Youtube ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGaXgQWj6o
Cheers
Queue
Nice to 'see' you Queue!
At the least, this 'device' shows 100x the promise than AQ's ::) ever did ;D
You might try a smaller gapping between the sets of 6, (2 sets of 3), where it wants to stall?
And making the gapping of each rotor mag relative to the gap of the stator N/S faces rather than relative to the rotor mags width?
edit: as per the pics posted by Chase. I'm of the notion that it is THIS RELATIVE spacing of rotor to stator that is an important aspect. (I second his thoughts below)
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 02, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
The original photo shows Mylow’s two rotor gaps, relative to the total stator size. Important stuff I'm sure. I also think the size of the stator's own gap, relative to the size of the rotors, is probably important too. Likely not just a coincidence in making sure this doesn't stick, etc.
Looking at the original photo, I noticed that the two rotors, when placed together, appear to fit inside one side of the gap, and to the outside of the other end of the stator. I edited the original photo to show this relative measurement technique in a second photo.
This ALSO happens to illustrate at the same time that two gaps equal the size of one end of the stator magnet.
Chase212327
X00013
where is this??
""with less than $20 us , u can magnitize mild steel any way you wish""
Please anyone??
Thank you
Chet
Let me just say I am having trouble with superglue. Its probably due to the inexact shape of my pan. I'm not getting an exact circle or something so the magnets are getting just a little too close. Maybe also properties of the glue isn't quite a strong enough bond between the two smooth metals. All I know is, BANG! crap have to glue another rotor down...
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 02, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
Let me just say I am having trouble with superglue. Its probably due to the inexact shape of my pan. I'm not getting an exact circle or something so the magnets are getting just a little too close. Maybe also properties of the glue isn't quite a strong enough bond between the two smooth metals. All I know is, BANG! crap have to glue another rotor down...
5 minute epoxy might work? Or maybe a liquid weld product, home depot carries it.
Chet:
I have a small device my Dad made at Bell Labs that is nothing more than a toroid winding in a neat little box with a hole in it and an ac cord attached. So, you stick any screwdriver into the box, hit the momentary push button for a few seconds and....poof....the screwdriver is now magnetized. I have some that were magnetized with this device 30 years ago that still pick up and hold screws just fine. This was with 110 ac house power. He is gone now but I still have this device. It showed me it is not that hard to permanently magnetize something.
Bill
Quote from: queue on April 02, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
Just uploaded the first video .. will probably get a couple more hours in today.
Not sure how the jerkiness got into the youtube version .. it's very smooth in the original file ? ? ..
seems to have appeared in the online version after Youtube processed it.
i filmed it in 640 480 30 fps ..
Anyway .. guess i'll find out soon enough if my disk win spin like his.
It's here on Youtube ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGaXgQWj6o
Cheers
Queue
@queue, been watching the vid a second time. You're doing a great job. May I ask you instead of starting the rotor from standstill, to have the front of the 3m-30-3m-60-3m-30-3m set of mag clusters approach the stator magnet from afar (beyond a point where a stator-rotor interaction is felt) by making the rotor spin manually at the same rate as its rate when the mag cluster exits the stator magnet. Thanks.
Uploaded a last video for today @ Youtube just now ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGA2i1cRAfo
i finished placing magnets just now .. fingers covered in crazy glue ..argg
did some preliminary testing with two different stators and somewhat dismayed to say that
my disk does not seem like it wants to keep on turnin on it's own.
Like all SMOTS i ever played with they stop moving once you try and close the loop.
This one completed the rotor array after each addition of the next array segment or magnets - i tested after each one
but the disk was always moving more slowly -- the more magnets i added.
Once i closed the loop by adding the last set of mags - almost no more movement @ all.
Will film that tomorrow. I think maybe i didn't place the magnets closely enough to Mylows config .
i thought i had calculated it correctly alas .. i think maybe miscalculated somewhere @#$@#
My disk is exactly 18 inches - my magnets are 10 millimeters width.
Someone want to take a crack at it ?
Been working on this all day .. to much coffee .. need to get some sleep .. work tomorrow.
TGIF
More tomorrow .. hopefully some more positive results.
Cheers
Queue
@queue,
That's not in the video, right:
Quotedid some preliminary testing with two different stators and somewhat dismayed to say that
my disk does not seem like it wants to keep on turnin on it's own.
Quote from: queue on April 02, 2009, 11:36:04 PM
Uploaded a last video for today @ Youtube just now ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGA2i1cRAfo
i finished placing magnets just now .. fingers covered in crazy glue ..argg
did some preliminary testing with two different stators and somewhat dismayed to say that
my disk does not seem like it wants to keep on turnin on it's own.
Like all SMOTS i ever played with they stop moving once you try and close the loop.
This one completed the rotor array after each addition of the next array segment or magnets - i tested after each one
but the disk was always moving more slowly -- the more magnets i added.
Once i closed the loop by adding the last set of mags - almost no more movement @ all.
Will film that tomorrow. I think maybe i didn't place the magnets closely enough to Mylows config .
i thought i had calculated it correctly alas .. i think maybe miscalculated somewhere @#$@#
My disk is exactly 18 inches - my magnets are 10 millimeters width.
Someone want to take a crack at it ?
Been working on this all day .. to much coffee .. need to get some sleep .. work tomorrow.
TGIF
More tomorrow .. hopefully some more positive results.
Cheers
Queue
Beautiful job. I tried to leave a message on your last vid but youtube ate it. According to the measurements you provided of your magnets, I believe the spacing is different than Mylow's. As per pictures posted, and after looking at several Mylow vids it seems that the space between the rotors should be approximately half the width of each rotor. Since Mylow stated the rotor plus space should be smaller than the Stator, It can't be possible with the first channel magnet stator you showed, or even the second (horse shoe) unless you use a tiny gap between rotors.
The rotors are 3/8", the first channel stator is 7/16", so there's really no way to duplicate Mylow's setup with those unless you had basically a sliver space between and around the rotors. The width of one stator space between the stators makes it way too wide if I've got my facts straight.
Pic from Mylow's early video
Quote from: nyctuber on April 02, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
The rotors are 3/8", the first channel stator is 7/16", so there's really no way to duplicate Mylow's setup with those unless you had basically a sliver space between and around the rotors. The width of one stator space between the stators makes it way too wide if I've got my facts straight.
Pic from Mylow's early video
@Nyctuber
Very helpful thanks.
@Omnibus .. i didn't film the tests i did tonight as the light is bad and my cam is not too good and i had a long day.
Will film it tomorrow in the better light of day. Thanks for the positive feed back btw.. that always helps too.
It's too bad the magnets Mylow used couldn't have been just run of the mill stuff instead of impossible to find anywhere discontinued mags..
Does anyone know of a post detailing Mylows placement of the rotor mags or measurements he made between the mags maybe. ? ?
Now really got to sleep ...
Cheers
Q
@ ramset, I'll try a video demo soon on the subject when I have time. If this thread last that long. Thanx
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 12:14:41 AM
@Nyctuber
Very helpful thanks.
@Omnibus .. i didn't film the tests i did tonight as the light is bad and my cam is not too good and i had a long day.
Will film it tomorrow in the better light of day. Thanks for the positive feed back btw.. that always helps too.
It's too bad the magnets Mylow used couldn't have been just run of the mill stuff instead of impossible to find anywhere discontinued mags..
Does anyone know of a post detailing Mylows placement of the rotor mags or measurements he made between the mags maybe. ? ?
Now really got to sleep ...
Cheers
Q
I think your large unpainted horseshoe is perfect if you go with this ratio:
Space between rotors = 1/2 width of one rotor
Space between outer edge of rotor and outer edge of horseshoe = 1/4 width of rotor
---------------------------------------------------------------
Large Horseshoe = 1 3/8 *(44/32)*
1 rotor = 3/8 (12/32)
2 rotors = 3/4 (24/32)
1/2 rotor =3/16 (6/32)
1/4 rotor = 3/32
Split down the center, the large horseshoe is *22/32* center to edge
2 rotors, plus a center space of 1/2 single rotor width, plus a an outer space (on each side) of 1/4 single rotor width width = *21/32* per side, *42/32* total.
--------------------------------------------------------
*Edit: Looked at another Mylow vid (the glass table vid) and it looks like the spacing is closer to one full rotor width. Whatever though, maybe it's all useful who knows.
Queue,
In addition to the first two relative sizing and spacing photos that I posted earlier,...
Mylow's "Running Motor" stator is roughly about the same height as his rotors.
See my two new photos below, taken from Mylow's measurement video...
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Materials
Chase212327
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 02, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
The original photo shows Mylow’s two rotor gaps, relative to the total stator size. Important stuff I'm sure. I also think the size of the stator's own gap, relative to the size of the rotors, is probably important too. Likely not just a coincidence in making sure this doesn't stick, etc.
Looking at the original photo, I noticed that the two rotors, when placed together, appear to fit inside one side of the gap, and to the outside of the other end of the stator. I edited the original photo to show this relative measurement technique in a second photo.
This ALSO happens to illustrate at the same time that two gaps equal the size of one end of the stator magnet.
Since Mylow's exact magnets can't be purchased anymore, I think these relative measurement techniques could be a quick way for folks to do an easy visual check, to be sure their own magnet combinations are closely proportional to Mylow's magnet set.
Chase212327
I spoke with Mylow this evening as he was driving home then arriving, to see the motor still turning. He has had it running since 1:00 am Central last night.
As he walked back in his house, it was still running. "It's still running real fast." We timed it at about 140 rpm (33 revolutions/15 seconds). He stopped it to try something at around 7:10 pm Central, so it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
He said it took him 8-10 hours last evening and into the night to figure out how to get the "red" magnet that I sent him will work stably.
He ended up with a configuration of sets of 7, followed by a space of 2 1/4 inches before the next set. Then the last set has 6 magnets, and the final gap before the first set starts again is 4.5 inches.
"It took me all night to figure out how that red magnet works. It's all trial and error. There's a pattern here. Pattern changes when you change a variable."
"Now it's working beautifully."
He had the stator magnet about 1.5 inches away from the rotor magnets.
While we were on the phone, he move it a little closer, and said it started spinning faster -- too fast for him to count.
He's been talking to his attorney to get advice about the right way to proceed with this thing. Apparently, the attorney will be coming over this evening. He's waiting for that before he posts his next video.
I talked him into at least moving the motor over into the kitchen on the glass table so that it's ready to film.
While we were talking, he had a little crash in which four of the rotor magnets came off.
He asked me to stop sending him any more magnets. He likes how this one works, and he doesn't want to have to keep re-arranging the rotor magnets with each new stator magnet.
He said when you change magnet strength, it changes gapping, spacing between rotor magnets and between rotor and stator magnets.
"It's not easy changing orientation of some 50 magnets."
Different shape/type of magnet, have to change it. "If you change something, you have to change everything else."
Now here's something fascinating. He said that the stator magnet gets cold. His brother had noted that to him.
While Mylow and I were on the phone this evening, he took out a thermometer. He said the room temperature was 68 degrees. Then he put it on the magnet and started reading the temperature as it dropped down to about 55 degrees F. This was at around 7:14 pm, some four minutes after he stopped the motor.
He said the rotor magnets were at room temperature.
"It did that with iron magnet too."
In his present set-up, the bottom of the stator magnet is level with the bottom end of the protrusion of the top of the rotor channel magnets.
When he started the motor up again at 7:18pm it took about 15 seconds to reach its equilibrium speed.
He's always talking about the "sweet spot" where the motor starts. That refers to where if he lets go of the rotor it begins turning and accelerates up to its equilibrium speed.
I asked him what happened if he just gave the rotor a little spin. I got the impression that he'd never tried that before. He is so set on the idea that he wants this thing to self start, that the idea of giving it an initial boost did not occur to him? I may be wrong.
Anyway, he said, "When I do that [give it a kick start] it starts spinning."
Sterling
Dispatches from the front, eh! Well done. One might even say sterling work. ;) . Keep 'em coming.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 01:53:22 AM
I spoke with Mylow this evening as he was driving home then arriving, to see the motor still turning. He has had it running since 1:00 am Central last night.
Sterling
Hi Sterling
Which new stator magnet(red) are you referring to ? ..
i am using almost the same size disk as Mylow ( 18 inch) and my rotor mags are a bit bigger than his - 10 millimeter width
but this stator you are referring to. I thought he was still using that same odd horseshoe one and had re-energized it with samarian colbalt.
This post was very helpful .. measures and such . .thanks
i am not having any luck with my replication yet.. but still trying to get it to spin up ..
Probably change config again..
Mylow is right it's hard work modifying the config of so many mags with crazy glue..
i understand his reluctance to change it .. lol !
Can't sleep .. got back up again !
Queue,
Instead of using permanent Super-Glue, and having to scrape it off (etc.) between attempts, consider building yourself a set of little wooden "C" clamps. This would make it VERY easy to dynamically adjust spacing, try other magnet combinations, variations, etc.
Super-Glue two halves of a popsicle stick to a little block of wood, and add a strong rubber band:
- The block would be the same height as the magnets, plus the thickness of the aluminum plate.
- The popsicle sticks would protrude from both sides of the block, and extend over the top of the magnet and under the aluminum plate.
- The rubber band would wrap around the two popsicle sticks, very close to the magnet, and provide enough tention to hold the magnet in place.
Once you find the ideal set sequence and spacing, you could permenently glue them down for videos. :)
Chase212327
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 02:42:45 AM
Hi Sterling
Which new stator magnet(red) are you referring to ? ..
i am using almost the same size disk as Mylow ( 18 inch) and my rotor mags are a bit bigger than his - 10 millimeter width
but this stator you are referring to. I thought he was still using that same odd horseshoe one and had re-energized it with samarian colbalt.
This post was very helpful .. measures and such . .thanks
i am not having any luck with my replication yet.. but still trying to get it to spin up ..
Probably change config again..
Mylow is right it's hard work modifying the config of so many mags with crazy glue..
i understand his reluctance to change it .. lol !
Can't sleep .. got back up again !
Sterling:
Thanks for the update. This is even more strange than before but, I guess we can expect this. I know what the attorney will advise him to do. This is when we see his posts removed and the youtube videos removed also. But, thanks for your efforts. I respect what you do.
Bill
Its nearly the weekend, Clanzer to the rescue? :)
EDIT: I`m sure someone will "backup" all of Mylow`s videos so far... ;)
Queue, Hi..I have my ~1/2 scale rig and have been playing around with 18 Alnico rotor magnets and my Alnico stator horseshoe magnet, that I have..(waiting on my order of [other] magnets to arrive).. Try moving your stator magnet 'inward and a bit upward' away from the rotor magnets. I am finding a 'point' (sweet spot?) where the 'negative torque' (sticky spots) seem to diminish to near 'zero?'.
Axle
Queue,
it is possible to fine two types of double-sided sticky tape.
One looks like Scotch tape/Tesafilm and the other is carpet tape.
This would be the easiest to place and remove magnets during experiments.
Earl
Quote from: Earl on April 03, 2009, 04:19:28 AM
Queue,
it is possible to fine two types of double-sided sticky tape.
One looks like Scotch tape/Tesafilm and the other is carpet tape.
This would be the easiest to place and remove magnets during experiments.
Earl
I bet industrial velcro works too
I found hot melt glue to work the best, when I once built a rotor with a lot of magnets.
The trick is to work fast, as hot melt glue hardens very fast, especially on aluminum.
It helps to make a small positioning jig (a good idea for any type of glue), and warm the magnets a bit first. Warm the rotor too, if you can.
The benefits are no fumes, solvents, mixing epoxy, or time wasted clamping and waiting. Also the hold strength is almost perfect, as most magnets can be pried or twisted off without breakage (avoid gluing on non porous materials, and use rubber coated grippers to remove). Dried hotmelt is also easier to scrape off than dried superglue, again, no solvents needed.
Whatever type of glue (or fastener) you choose, its a good idea to do a test removal, before you glue down 50 magnets.
Also, if you plan to make a lot of changes fast, and don't need millimeter precision, don't forget industrial velcro, it's not as strong or cheap, but it lets you play.
@derricka,
Good idea in principle but heating the magnets is unhealthy for their magnetic induction and is to be avoided in general. Depends how hot is hot in your case.
Yes, if you get to the Currie temperature, there is no more magnet.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 03, 2009, 04:14:14 AM
Sterling:
Thanks for the update. This is even more strange than before but, I guess we can expect this. I know what the attorney will advise him to do. This is when we see his posts removed and the youtube videos removed also. But, thanks for your efforts. I respect what you do.
Bill
It's very possible that somebody has copied relevant postings , pics and video. In this case , removing them would not eliminate experimentation by others.
I can see You Tube video removal, but, MYLOW has never posted here as far as I know.
Sterlings page has a detail of information neatly compiled if one was inclined to make their own archive.
::)
Quote from: ellubpt on April 03, 2009, 06:08:16 AM
It's very possible that somebody has copied relevant postings , pics and video. In this case , removing them would not eliminate experimentation by others.
I can see You Tube video removal, but, MYLOW has never posted here as far as I know.
Sterlings page has a detail of information neatly compiled if one was inclined to make their own archive.
::)
D/l them yourself http://www.savevideodownload.com/download.php
Complete backup of 40 videos at :
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
This page is a BACKUP From:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
well, like i said, sterling is santa!
;D
but this lawyer guy will certainly be the grinch, and that will be the end of it for us, for sure!
go clanzer, go queue!!!
:)
Quote from: LightRider on April 03, 2009, 06:53:39 AM
Complete backup of 40 videos at :
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
This page is a BACKUP From:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
Nice compilation.
If you are using Firefox, download the plug in "Download Helper" it sits in the browser and downloads flash , it even converts the files if you choose that option.
There are many types of super glue. Both surfaces must be very clean. You might want to ruff the AL disc in the glue area, and the bottom of the magnets with some 150-200 sandpaper. Get a slow dry super glue, a thick one. Go to a good HOBBY SHOP and tell them what you are trying to glue, they will have what you need.
I also find that "GORILLA" makes a super glue that works for me, I get it at LOWS hardware store. It is not runny, does not clog the nozzel and works fine.
Ben
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 02, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
Let me just say I am having trouble with superglue. Its probably due to the inexact shape of my pan. I'm not getting an exact circle or something so the magnets are getting just a little too close. Maybe also properties of the glue isn't quite a strong enough bond between the two smooth metals. All I know is, BANG! crap have to glue another rotor down...
Quote from: wizardofmars on April 02, 2009, 11:41:02 PM
There's an obvious and good reason I'm sure you can think of - there was no 20 hour run and he's playing this for chuckles.
What's it been now? Two weeks and still no decent video. Anyone care to take a wager?
Please remember that this forum is for fantasizing about OU not achieving it. Comments like yours intrude on the fantasies.
How would you like it if somebody told you that your habit of playing the lottery was a waste of time and that you should put the money you spend on lottery tickets into a savings account?
The people here do not want to have cold water thrown on their fantasy, and it should not be thrown - they have a right to their fantasy just as somebody has a right to his fantasy of winning the lottery.
It is better to put the best face on things. For example, mylow reports another 20-hour run going on right now. He will never video it because, as he reports, his lawyer is about to visit him. We all know what is coming: the lawyer will advise him not to make any more videos and not to talk about the device at all.
But that is our cue to get Sterling Allen to talk with the lawyer to get the lawyer to change his advice to mylow. - something to hope for and fantasize about.
In the meantime, enough measurements have been made so that attempts at replication of the supposed runs can continue.
People are still discussing Alsetalokin's fake device after several months, so I don't see why the fantasy about this one can't continue through the rest of 2009.
Good Morning Sterling,
GREAT information. The deminsions are amazing spacing wise. IF he gets a lawyer involved this will be the last we see of it for a while but we have enough information to build from! It appears that there is some sort of "Pounding" going on in the magnets as it runs. Super glue is great except for sharp right angle forces to the joint. The speed of the wheel even @ 6 rpm shouldn't knock off those magnets with the surface area at their base. Oh, I think it was said that centripetal force causes the magnets to come loose, probably it is centrifugal force....hope my spelling is right.
IF he would quit diddling with it once it is running, mark each magnet place carefully with a scribe on the wheel, remove magnets, clean bottom of each magnet and the wheel, ruff up both surfaces, chemically clean the wheel, magnets with acetone, use a good clamp to hold magnet in place and use a good epoxy, the magnets would NEVER come off again. Would take time but would be bulletproof.
Sure wish he would post that last version at least a still photo! I can not believe he has never just spun started that motor!!!! Interesting fellow! The cooling of the stator is amazing, sure would like to see a thermocouple rocorder put on it! Also, there are very good Gauss meters that can be bought on Ebay that would show the gauss of each Stator leg before and after each run! Simple instrumentation that would very quickly let you see what is happening. I purchased one about a year ago from China, spelling on unit weird but works like a champ and measures weak magnets down to .1 gauss and stronger magnets to 1 gauss. It is very useful for matching magnets field strengths. Technology is out there, not hard to come by and fairly reasonable.
Could you repost the information on the Stator magnet that he is using and where you got it from?
Ben
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 01:53:22 AM
I spoke with Mylow this evening as he was driving home then arriving, to see the motor still turning. He has had it running since 1:00 am Central last night.
As he walked back in his house, it was still running. "It's still running real fast." We timed it at about 140 rpm (33 revolutions/15 seconds). He stopped it to try something at around 7:10 pm Central, so it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
He said it took him 8-10 hours last evening and into the night to figure out how to get the "red" magnet that I sent him will work stably.
He ended up with a configuration of sets of 7, followed by a space of 2 1/4 inches before the next set. Then the last set has 6 magnets, and the final gap before the first set starts again is 4.5 inches.
"It took me all night to figure out how that red magnet works. It's all trial and error. There's a pattern here. Pattern changes when you change a variable."
"Now it's working beautifully."
He had the stator magnet about 1.5 inches away from the rotor magnets.
While we were on the phone, he move it a little closer, and said it started spinning faster -- too fast for him to count.
He's been talking to his attorney to get advice about the right way to proceed with this thing. Apparently, the attorney will be coming over this evening. He's waiting for that before he posts his next video.
I talked him into at least moving the motor over into the kitchen on the glass table so that it's ready to film.
While we were talking, he had a little crash in which four of the rotor magnets came off.
He asked me to stop sending him any more magnets. He likes how this one works, and he doesn't want to have to keep re-arranging the rotor magnets with each new stator magnet.
He said when you change magnet strength, it changes gapping, spacing between rotor magnets and between rotor and stator magnets.
"It's not easy changing orientation of some 50 magnets."
Different shape/type of magnet, have to change it. "If you change something, you have to change everything else."
Now here's something fascinating. He said that the stator magnet gets cold. His brother had noted that to him.
While Mylow and I were on the phone this evening, he took out a thermometer. He said the room temperature was 68 degrees. Then he put it on the magnet and started reading the temperature as it dropped down to about 55 degrees F. This was at around 7:14 pm, some four minutes after he stopped the motor.
He said the rotor magnets were at room temperature.
"It did that with iron magnet too."
In his present set-up, the bottom of the stator magnet is level with the bottom end of the protrusion of the top of the rotor channel magnets.
When he started the motor up again at 7:18pm it took about 15 seconds to reach its equilibrium speed.
He's always talking about the "sweet spot" where the motor starts. That refers to where if he lets go of the rotor it begins turning and accelerates up to its equilibrium speed.
I asked him what happened if he just gave the rotor a little spin. I got the impression that he'd never tried that before. He is so set on the idea that he wants this thing to self start, that the idea of giving it an initial boost did not occur to him? I may be wrong.
Anyway, he said, "When I do that [give it a kick start] it starts spinning."
Sterling
@sterlinga
Please ask Mylow if he can measure the weight pull of his rotor. I will not buy channel magnets until I know this from my last post on the this thread.
What Mylow says about the rotor spacing and stator type changes everything is very true.
Here is my wheel with some magnets. I need some more since presently I am using two magnets per location to hold them in position. One on top and one on bottom for each rotor. On the first photo you can see a linear stator then when put above the rotor goes right through the complete rotor set. Ya man. lol
Mylow can have larger spaces between sets because his wheel has momentum. Mine just has pepperoni and anchovies. lol
What I like about this set-up is spacing is very easy to try just by sliding the magnet pairs. lol
I have not tried yet with two stators, one on top one on bottom but I will get there. Need more neos.
Much more fun.
Gotta go to the office. More this weekend or tonight.
Quote from: billmehess on March 23, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Here is my replication so far, I am using standard Radio Shack magnets. Have not achieved a full revolution as of yet but this is the first
model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&layer_token=72f5beb619fcfc16
Bill, curious if you have gone any further with model?
Quote from: wattsup on April 03, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
Here is my wheel with some magnets.
@wattsup
You are beginning to scare me!
What in-the-world is that base?
A slice of some pump impeller?
BEP
Hi All,
It is possible that this is a heat driven device! It would be great fun to use a heat gun and gently heat the stator while it was running and very accurately measure the rpm change if any and also cool the magnet with a cooling spray, same test.....
Ben
I belive Sterlinga forgot to post this from the Yahoo groups:
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Re: [mylow_magmo] Re: Mylow research
Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
AddFriday, April 3, 2009 2:30:25 AMTo:mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
Mylow commented to me today on this replication (I think it was this one). He is so excited to see other people replicating this and getting so close.
He wishes he could call you and give you some pointers.
Remember, different sizes and strengths of magnets will require different arrangements of rotor magnets. In this case, I think I'd make your gap between rotor sets a little closer. Try it on a couple of sets before doing the whole thing, and see what it does.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: carroaagua
To: mylow_magmo@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:04 PM
Subject: [mylow_magmo] Re: Mylow research
Queue wrote:
Been trying out some different stators and field orientations with my disk today.
Just uploaded the first video .. will probably get a couple more hours in today.
Not sure how the jerkiness got into the youtube version .. it's very smooth in the original file ? ? ..
seems to have appeared in the online version after Youtube processed it.
i filmed it in 640 480 30 fps ..
Anyway .. guess i'll find out soon enough if my disk win spin like his.
It's here on Youtube ..
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nYGaXgQWj6o
Cheers
Queue
Link
http://www.overunit y.com/index. php?topic= 7039.msg167684# msg167684
--- In mylow_magmo@ yahoogroups. com, "carroaagua" <carroaagua@ ...> wrote:
>
> New Video from Carbonccc
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=KRpBlUC7Quc& feature=channel_ page
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> Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
> http://www.overunit y.com/index. php?topic= 7039.msg167361# msg167361
>
wattsup...are your pictures an attempt of a replication? Why aren't you using the same magnets?
FROM YAHOO GROUPS
sterlinga wrote:
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Re: http://MylowMagnetM otor.com open source project
Mylow phoned me in tears this morning, distraught and very scared.
He said that last night his lawyer (last name Kaplan [sp?; starts with a K]) brought with him a man in a dark suit and briefcase, who looked and acted very intimidating.
They took his motor, all his papers, and left him with a note warning him to not say anything about this or to tell anyone or to post any more videos but that it was in his best interest to just leave it alone.
Mylow was extremely rattled and cut the call short.
But first, I told him to not go into fear, but to send them love and forgiveness and light and to not let them scare him.
I got on the phone to some of my associates and was recommended that Mylow press charges because a criminal act was carried out against him.
Mylow then phoned back and said that his wife just called him and said that the lawyer and the guy brought all the stuff back in a box, with some of the magnets dislodged from the rotor. They told her, "Don't say anything about this. Just let it drop. It's 'just a toy'; keep it that way. Don't post any more videos on YouTube."
She called the police, who came over to arrest them, but the guy in the suit told the police something, and they then turned on Mylow's wife saying that they could arrest Mylow if he didn't comply.
In a subsequent phone call, Mylow said that he is going to keep the work going forward. "The spirit of Howard Johnson [inspires] me, and I'm going to bring this forward."
He plans on continuing to post videos and pressing forward with this work.
Way to go Mylow! We're rooting for you.
Everyone, please hurry and replicate this thing. Let's show the world that this is not going to be stopped. They've done this too many times.
Kaplan should not get away with his complicity as a coward to the bullies that for too long have been ruling the playground.
Let's show the world that the day of the bullies' rule is coming to an end.
Sincerely,
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Quote from: ellubpt on April 03, 2009, 07:23:53 AM
Nice compilation.
If you are using Firefox, download the plug in "Download Helper" it sits in the browser and downloads flash , it even converts the files if you choose that option.
Thanks, I will try this plugin ;)
If necessary, in the future, I will put all the videos in a zip file available as a torrent.
(40 videos, 613 MB, zip)
Why is another Mylow video necessary? The machine isn't complicated, he's shown you what he has and how he did it. Preliminary tests show the same effects hes shown, minus, of course, a working model (other than Mylow's) to date. It's out of the 'scam' realm, people. It's clear he has nothing up his sleeve, no external devices. The information is out there, try to build one?
Well,
For sure time will tell, sterlinga will be all over this!!
Paul
Could you expound?
Are you verifying Mylo's claim of temperature drop ?
Chet
Quote from: nyctuber on April 03, 2009, 10:47:37 AM
Why is another Mylow video necessary? The machine isn't complicated, he's shown you what he has and how he did it. Preliminary tests show the same effects hes shown, minus, of course, a working model (other than Mylow's) to date. It's out of the 'scam' realm, people. It's clear he has nothing up his sleeve, no external devices. The information is out there, try to build one?
Exactly my thoughts - Mylow is confirming Howard Johnson work and has provided enough information that others are seeing or reproducing the intial effects. Gapping seems to be the issue for the type of magnets you have :)
@ Que Did you have to order your rotor magnets from the UK or is there a distributer in Canada? I have have been watching your reproduction and Im hoping it is just magnet spacing. Good work! and good luck.
Paul the aspect of shifts in the domains is such that this causes a variation in thermal. It is a known fact. Again a material game. If such is ever show to work, then it will not end up being a violation of CoE due to there is always the heat exchange game with the surrounding variables. It is the reason I believe such does not and never will violate COE.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 03, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
I agree, IMO there's no need to hide the Lawyers name. BTW, *if* mylow's claims are legit, then at least we have sufficient information to replicate it. If it's true, then in all likelihood it will prove my magnetic theory.
I've detailed the science and mathematics of this entire fundamental process in detail, showing the math results from well established magnetic software, FEMM. Maybe it's now time to stop ignoring this magnetic theory based on conventional physics. :) Mylow's design could be the first public proof. As far as a marketable device, I've already outlined solid-state versions. It's only a matter of time of fine-tuning Free Energy design #1 to the point where all losses (e.g., transistors and wire resistance) are less than the output.
Global Free Energy in 2009!
PL
I'd like to know where clanzer and cueue got those snazzy polished aluminum discs.
The good thing about the search for OU is you normally have to accept failure before you start. That way your not dissapointed in the end.
So. If those who continue the quest do so, they do it for their own entertainment.
Those who kept their receipts only lost time.
Edited: I'm going to continue with the resources I already have.
@ nyctuber you have to make them, just take a piece of 1/4" aluminum plate or what ever thickness you decide on then use a compass or in my case a 9" piece of scrap alloy flat bar drill a 1/4" hole in one end and a hole in roughly the middle of your plate fasten with a nut and bolt then on the other end of the flat bar drill a hole the size of youe favorite felt pen so it fits snug then scribe your circle and cut it out on a band saw. I used a wood band saw with a 11tpi blade and that worked well. If you want the perfect circle and premium edge you will have to take your disk and clean it up on a lathe.
Quote from: chaser on April 03, 2009, 11:28:24 AM
@ nyctuber you have to make them, just take a piece of 1/4" aluminum plate or what ever thickness you decide on then use a compass or in my case a 9" piece of scrap alloy flat bar drill a 1/4" hole in one end and a hole in roughly the middle of your plate fasten with a nut and bolt then on the other end of the flat bar drill a hole the size of youe favorite felt pen so it fits snug then scribe your circle and cut it out on a band saw. I used a wood band saw with a 11tpi blade and that worked well. If you want the perfect circle and premium edge you will have to take your disk and clean it up on a lathe.
Lol thanks. I don't have access to that type of machinery though. I have a plexiglass/ industrial velcro setup in mind if i can get off my ass and get it :)
Look in your area for a machine shop. Also ask around for a tinker with equipment. I am sure they can be found in your area.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 03, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
Lol thanks. I don't have access to that type of machinery though. I have a plexiglass/ industrial velcro setup in mind if i can get off my ass and get it :)
Sterling or Mylow please respond:
i am working on my wheel today ..
and have restarted a new rotor array based on your 7 then 6 config . i have 125 rotor mags available to work with.
Our disks are almost exactly the same size.
but i need your help ..
Could you please take the measurements of the space between the magnets in your rotor array and the spaces between the array segments of the rotor.
This would be very helpful to me in trying to replicate your wheel .. i might be able to get mine working today if you can provide the measures
i am asking for..
Sterling: Where did you get the stator you sent to Mylow .. if that is the one he is currently using i would like to order one fedex express.
Thanks
Queue
@ll Thanks for your help and suggestions .. much appreciated.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 01:53:22 AM
While Mylow and I were on the phone this evening, he took out a thermometer. He said the room temperature was 68 degrees. Then he put it on the magnet and started reading the temperature as it dropped down to about 55 degrees F. This was at around 7:14 pm, some four minutes after he stopped the motor.
He said the rotor magnets were at room temperature.
Sterling
Wow, This is significant evidence of *potential* overunity energy operation. Though it
needs to be reproduced...Congratulations to Mylow. I don't think this is necessarily
what HJ had in mind, though.
He needs to;
Add a heat sink to let as much energy into the stator magnet as possible. Perhaps the metal disk
is in the wrong place. maybe?
Force the machine to run from room temperature heat a much as possible - don't supply
it with any additional heat source. Then optimize it's operation. Don't supply it with any
heat, let it suck heat energy in from the room.
He should celebrate his success by going out and buying several of those 120Vac LED light
sticks from an automobile supply store and use these *alone* to do photography. He shouldn't
pull a Steorn.
why?
Incandecent lamp; 5% optical light EMF 95% IR heat EMF.
LED lamp; 95% optical light EMF 5% IR heat EMF.
Led lamps are significantly more efficient then incandescent. Don't help the motor
run by suppling energy.
--->
I will comment in another post how he can prove this motor is overunity operation -
slowly discharging the (rotor) magnets is not necessarily incompatible with overunity
operation.
--->
If this proves out, all I can say is; "I got to get myself one of these!"
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 03, 2009, 11:16:02 AM
Paul the aspect of shifts in the domains is such that this causes a variation in thermal. It is a known fact. Again a material game. If such is ever show to work, then it will not end up being a violation of CoE due to there is always the heat exchange game with the surrounding variables. It is the reason I believe such does not and never will violate COE.
You are correct. In material science in relation to metallic bonds, the valence electrons particularly in metals do not bond to any particular atoms in the solid. In fact they move about quite freely between the interatomic bonds and draw in ambient temperature from the surrounding environment. That's why metal often feels cool or cold whenever you touch it, as long as your hand temp is higher than the surrounding natural environment. It's also why then most metals are good conductors of heat. :)
Quote from: mscoffman on April 03, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
He needs to;
Add a heat sink to let as much energy into the stator magnet as possible. Perhaps the metal disk
is in the wrong place. maybe?
Force the machine to run from room temperature heat a much as possible - don't supply
it with any additional heat source. Then optimize it's operation. Don't supply it with any
heat, let it suck heat energy in from the room.
If it's getting colder, the magnet is not absorbing heat, it's dissipating it. No heat sink required.
Quote from: 0c on April 03, 2009, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: mscoffman
He needs to;
Add a heat sink to let as much energy into the stator magnet as possible. Perhaps the metal disk
is in the wrong place. maybe?
Force the machine to run from room temperature heat a much as possible - don't supply
it with any additional heat source. Then optimize it's operation. Don't supply it with any
heat, let it suck heat energy in from the room.
If it's getting colder, the magnet is not absorbing heat, it's dissipating it. No heat sink required.
A heat sync could indeed help because it works on temperature *gradients.* If the material is colder than ambient, then the heat sync would help the material remain closer to room temp.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 03, 2009, 12:12:37 PM
A heat sync could indeed help because it works on temperature *gradients.* If the material is colder than ambient, then the heat sync would help the material remain closer to room temp.
In this case, the heat sink becomes a "heat source" and warms the magnet.
Quote from: 0c on April 03, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
In this case, the heat sink becomes a "heat source" and warms the magnet.
correct. it might even allow the magnet to last longer.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 03, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
correct. it might even allow the magnet to last longer.
I think you will find the magnets will last longer and perform better at lower temperatures.
Quote from: miki02131 on April 03, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
Proof is not needed to refute any claim based on all permanent magnet motors. Whenever such idea comes up, you just apriori reject it without second thought or doubt.
I disagree! That is the greatest flaw with "skepticism." "Skeptics" would falsely have people believe they enter a case unbiased, but that is not the case with every skeptic I've studied. This reason alone is why 2LoT is still accepted by conventional scientists. I've proven 2LoT is 2ToT.
On the other hand, it's fine for a scientist to make a quick evaluation if he or she is to spend time analyzing a device.
PL
Well. Mylow logged into Youtube about an hour ago. He could be posting a new video (which, for me, takes quite some time on my DSL connection).
Now that some replications are coming along, perhaps it would be useful to have a Universal Test Plan agreed-to by consensus which could then act as a guide and fairly uniform data entry point for the Replicators to use when testing their devices... Making it easier to compare results, providing a framework for discussing and evaluating, and allowing widely separate replication test results to be compared by their construction differences (thus possibly helping with future improvements).
Heres an imperfect suggestion for one to get the ball rolling :
UNIVERSAL TEST PLAN FOR "MYLOW" HOWARD JOHNSON "STONEHENGE" DEVICE REPLICATIONS
I. Section One: Observations Before Starting Test Procedure [Sec. I.]
A. Physical Measurements & Descriptions [I.A.]
1. Rotor Disk & bearing / stand: Physical Measurements (drawing recommended) [I.A.1]
a) Relative "Free Turning" of the disk.. Measured via observation of "spin down time" ; perhaps compared to
the "MYLOW" Device. [I.A.1.a.]
b) Diameter "Trueness" and "Wobble" of the Rotor & bearing system via observation. [I.A.1.b.]
c) "Levelness" of the Rotor / entire device (via observation of use of "Level") [I.A.1.c.]
2. Rotor Magnets (drawing or photo of lay-out recommended) [I.A.2.]
a) Total Number [I.A.2.a]
b) Spacing between each magnet within a "Grouping" [I.A.2.b]
c) How many Rotor Magnets in a particular "Group" [I.A.2.c]
d) Spacing between the "Groups" [I.A.2.d]
e) Polar orientation of the rotor magnets [I.A.2.e.]
f) Type / Composition of Magnets ("Alinco", "Neo", etc.), including source & part no. if available [I.A.2.f.]
g) Physical Dimensions and General Shape of Rotor Magnets (dimensional drawing
recommended). [I.A.2.g.]
3. Stator Magnet(s): Type, Size, Number mounted, Description of Shape, Magnetic pole orientation, source and
part number if available (dimensional drawing recommended) [I.A.3.]
4. Stator Mounting Arm Assy. : Description, Dimensions, "Distance Adjustment" means (drawing
recommended). [I.A.4.]
5. Description of any "RPM Limiting" apparatus such as torque limiter or "prony braking" device (if
present) [I.A.5.]
B. Gauss Strength Measurements of Magnets (if any measuring means are available, skip if not) [I.B.]
II. Section Two: Preliminary Tests [II.]
A. Permutations & Results at Differing Distances Between the Rotor and Stator Magnets. [II.A.]
1. Starting Distance at "Begin of Test" of Stator Magnet to near edge of a Rotor Magnet at closest
point. [II.A.1.]
2. Testing results at different Distances to determine "Optimum" as derived at by test & visual observation
[II.A.2.]
a) Results at "Optimum Distance". State Distance. [II.A.2.a.]
b) Comparative Results "2 mm closer" (or closest possible without contacting rotor magnets) [II.A.2.b.]
c) Comparative Results "2mm farther away than Optimum" [II.A.2.c.]
d) Comparative Results "5 mm farther away than Optimum" [II.A.2.d.]
B. Manual rotation of rotor to find "sweet spot" (point of magnetic interaction, along the Rotor's rotational axis,
where the rotor begins turning via magnetic force alone) [II.B.]
1. Linear Distance of the "sweet spot" from the leading edge of a Group of Rotor Magnets, to the
nearest edge of the Stator Magnet(s) [II.B1.]
2. Rotational Distance traveled when manually started at "sweet spot" (length of travel, or full rotations if can be
achieved). [II.B.2.]
III. Section Three: Initial Operational Testing (at "Optimal Distance" determined in II.A.2.a.) [III.]
A. General Result: State "full rotation", "Partial (in Degrees)", or "No Significant Result". [III.A.]
1. Does it reach a stable rotation? (if answer is no, skip to "End Results of Test"). [III.A.1.]
2. How long in Seconds (or Rotations) does it take to achieve "Stability" ? [III.A.2.]
B. "RPM" Rotational Speed once rotations reach stability (if no instrument for measure is available,
state "estimated") [III.B.]
C. Torque Measurement on Rotor Disk (if no instrument for measure is available, state "estimated") [III.C.]
IV. Section Four: Timed Trial Testing (Note: Device must first be operating in a stable condition). [IV.]
A. 2 Hour Test (record via video at beginning and end if possible). [IV.A.]
1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available). [IV.A.1.]
2. Ending RP M's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start). [IV.A.2.]
3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient"). [IV.A.3.]
4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available) [IV.A.4.]
B. 12 Hour Test (performed after above; record via video at beginning and end if possible) [IV.B.]
1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available) [IV.B.1.]
2. Ending RPM's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start) [IV.B.2.]
3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient") [IV.B.3]
4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available) [IV.B.4.]
C. 48 Hour Test (performed after above; record via video at beginning and end if possible) [IV.C.]
1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available) [IV.C.1.]
2. Ending RPM's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start) [IV.C.2.]
3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient") [IV.C.3.]
4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available) [IV.C.4.]
V. Section Five: Test Results & Conclusions (general "Essay") [V.]
A. Did the unit make full rotations? Did it reach a point of "stability"? [V.A.]
B. Did magnet strength appear to change significantly during the tests? [V.B.]
C. Are the test results repeatable several days later? [V.C.]
D. What, if any, were the Anomalies observed? [V.D.]
E. In the opinion of the Tester, is the device a viable working "All-Magnet Motor" ? [V.E.]
@BEP
I'm at the office. That base is from my Eight Ball Wheel located here;
http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups'%20stuff/eight-ball-wheel/
My rotor neo magnets are 8 pounds pull each.
@queue
I see you are in Montreal. I'm in Terrebonne. Come over one day.
@Mylow
Don't worry about them two legged vultures. They cannot do anything to you because this is now open source and way too late for them to stop anything. That's probably why they brought back your wheel. I know it is surely very stressfull just to have lived through such an experience but this was their first and last mistake.
@stefan
I have had it on this thread and having to accept freely dished out brash insults from a bunch of assholes who are curiosly spending so much time on an overunity forum wondering why people here work on overunity devices and the like. There is too much blah blah. If you will permit me to open a new thread for Mylow Wheel Builders with full moderator access and I will ban some members from the start. End of story. Guys having to wade through pages and pages of simple nonsence and total crap is just untenable. Builders could migrate their specs, etc to the new thread and @stefan you can then lock this thread before it accumulates more crap or keep it open and use it like sticky fly paper so members can have their jollies. Please PM me if this is OK with you. Just pages and pages of crap and a major waste of time.
Quote from: Grimer on April 03, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
Do I take it you now believe the Mylow Motor to be a scam, Omnibus?
Obviously. I took it as such from the get go, as you may check earlier in this thread. I think this is @alsetalokin at play here pulling a variation of his elaborate scam. As a matter of fact, @alsetalokin's scam to fight the perceived wide-eyed enthusiasts of overunity was the first professionally organized one I've seen. Wonder what the next episode of this sick soap opera is gonna be. How low THEIRLOW can get. All these @xpenzif, Danny from Ohio, Mike and Bedini's motor, the Lego guy etc. are just amateurs compared to those that have launched @alsetalokin. There is, however, a consolation for us from not appearing as total morons taken in -- there are even greater morons such as Steorn still allowing @alsetalokin to dirty their site.
I don't know about you but, the above notwithstanding, I won't stop exploring further overunity while having a good chuckle at these sorry attempts of the @alsetalokin's of the world to destroy this area of research. The closest I wanna see in this respect is @CLaNZeR's experiments tomorrow as well as @queue's trials as well as everyone else's who's magnets haven't arrived yet. There are three classes of people doing this, legitimate researchers such as the mentioned, you and I included, armchair watchers and the amateur and organized (such as @alsetalokin) mediocrity trying to put a spanner in the works in any possible way.
I's not "optimism" Grimer, it's just a desire to see something in the way of real, meaningful results and not just idle, unknowing speculation masquerading as "surity"..."For" or "Against".
There's only one way to answer these questions.
@Queue - could you share with us where you bought your magnets?
I don't know if you got the point of it then....
> Should the device be proved not to work, then the data recorded by multiple people using multiple set-ups / minor design changes / different settings can quickly end debate as to whether: "Oh that replication wasn't done right, so just reject it".
> Should the device be proved to work; it then hopefully allows for faster & easier reproductions and improvements in the future.
Either way, suggesting "it shouldn't be done" at all is a rather curious response, imo (but not unexpected, lol). Personally, i would leave that one up to the Replicators to do as they see fit.
But i'm sure the test plan could be improved ;)
Quote from: wattsup on April 03, 2009, 02:43:25 PM
@stefan
I have had it on this thread and having to accept freely dished out brash insults from a bunch of assholes who are curiosly spending so much time on an overunity forum wondering why people here work on overunity devices and the like. There is too much blah blah. If you will permit me to open a new thread for Mylow Wheel Builders with full moderator access and I will ban some members from the start. End of story. Guys having to wade through pages and pages of simple nonsence and total crap is just untenable. Builders could migrate their specs, etc to the new thread and @stefan you can then lock this thread before it accumulates more crap or keep it open and use it like sticky fly paper so members can have their jollies. Please PM me if this is OK with you. Just pages and pages of crap and a major waste of time.
Hi Watttsup and ALL,
I have moved this topic to its own board and have set you as the moderator.
As you are building also many things I guess you are the right person for this.
2. Sterling told me, that Mylow is working as a truck driver and has not too much knowledge about physics.
So he was probably pretty naive to get a lawyer involved, if the story is true.
Don´t let the "big boys" know too much, before it is all replicated..
We will see, how the story will unfold further on.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
@Wattsup,
just let this thread open and start a new Builders thread in this board, where you have the full
moderation rights.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards, Stefan.
So, where are we gonna follow @CLaNZeR's, @queue and everybody else's progress and what will this thread be for?
Like I said, proving continuous production of excess energy is the easiest thing in the world, should it be real -- start it from standstill and show it makes more than one full turns on its own. Maybe here in this forum we should set up as a requirement that anyone claiming such a thing allow a visit. If not, the subject is dropped. Let the claimant post it elsewhere and have it discussed there, not here. Perhaps Steorn forum will be a good place for that since lack of science is rampant there and the hot air blown by the critics is enough to make any device spin.
Maybe a mod could rename this thread to mylow discussion, and create a new clean thread titled mylow replication.
Edit: corrected my mistake. :(
I just found a balanced aluminum platter that anyone/everyone could easily purchase...
It's the Audio-Technica AT-LP2D-USB turntable:
http://www.google.com/products?q=Audio+Technica+usb+turntable+lp&scoring=p
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/8b88447e3530f153/index.html
"Professional aluminum platter stabilizes records for the best-sounding play back"
"Removable dust cover"
Chase212327
@Chase212327,
Diameter is too small.
I have been following this thread from the beginning and have found all fascinating. The good and the bad the believers and skeptics.
I am a builder and have played around with many variations of ou and I want very much to see a pmm succeed. I wish to replicate this attempt but so far have had difficulty obtaining the magnets at a fair price. Best price I found from all-magnetics about 4 dollars a piece. I keep seeing references to 1 dollar a piece pricing for rotor mags but so far have failed to find.
pls all replicators advise best mag sources and prices. If this info is embedded in these 145 pages, I apoligise in advance for failing to find same.
Thanks
@k4zep
Ben, did you get any further with your small wheel setup? I was wondering if you posted anymore video. I took a skateboard wheel and drilled in two rows of magnets similar to you, once populated I could not get a full rotation from the setup. The gate looked promising until the ring was completed. My magnets arrived today so I plan to build a large wheel setup.
I also agree there should be a strict builders only forum. It's too exhausting ploughing through this number of threads for a little bit here and there of builder information.
Higgsfield
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 04:32:54 PM
Diameter is too small.
Maybe. Maybe not.
The diameter is smaller than Mylow's (true).
The "Diameter is too small" (uncertain).
I think relative magnet sizing and spacing is key to getting this working. It may scale just fine. If someone had local access to bulk/surplus smaller magnets, and stuck to the relative sizing and spacing visual checks that I've posted, it might just work.
Chase212327
Here's an Audio-Technica turntable without the rubber on it.
Chase212327
For the the video i posted last night of my completed array ... i actually tried every config i could think of to get it to turn .. No luck.
as i closed the loop of the mag array all movement stopped.
Today i broke off the mags and started Mylows current config:series of seven around the disk separated by 2 1/4 inch followed by a set of six mags separated by 4 1/2 inches..
i am about half around the disk - going slow trying to keep spacing accurate as possible.
i shot a movie just now at the half way complete mark where i can see the disk movement is slowing as i close the loop on the mag array. This is what my disk with series of three did also ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A
i see no tendency of this setup to want to self sustain .. maybe it's my setup - i dunno ..
Waiting for ClaNZer to show me how ..
Will shoot another movie at the end when i close the loop ..
Cheers
Queue
Hi Higgsfield,
Yes, got enough button magnets to make it around but did not have room to clump them in groups so it was not a precise replication and it did/does not run. If it is to run, I suspect that I will have make a much larger wheel to isolate the fields of the opposing magnets so there is no interaction and do the clumping/spacing shown by MYLOW. I have not made or posted any other videos as failure is not much fun to watch.
After the fiasco I have read about the lawyer and MIB(or whatever), I don't know who or what to believe any more. I don't watch soap operas on TV and I do not wish to be part of one on the web! I wish to believe he was sincere but have sever reservations about the whole thread now and will keep my personal opinions to myself.
Should I spend up to $500 bucks, invest 100-200 hours time to make a good solid wheel, a good adjustable stator, buy good magnets or just say "to hell with it!".......That is the question and it all boils down to this: Is the theory viable or not?
At this time has anyone else achieved a 1 turn + rotation from a standing start (NO PUSH) with magnets initially placed in the center of the "Stator" magnet? (that would mean they had a running motor!)
I vote for a builders forum too! If you are not building you should not post in that forum.
Ben
Quote from: HiggsField on April 03, 2009, 04:54:44 PM
@k4zep
Ben, did you get any further with your small wheel setup? I was wondering if you posted anymore video. I took a skateboard wheel and drilled in two rows of magnets similar to you, once populated I could not get a full rotation from the setup. The gate looked promising until the ring was completed. My magnets arrived today so I plan to build a large wheel setup.
I also agree there should be a strict builders only forum. It's too exhausting ploughing through this number of threads for a little bit here and there of builder information.
Higgsfield
Hi Queue,
Damn good video, but I agree with your assessment. What are we missing????? You wheel is obviously MOST EXCELLENT, magnets placed excellent.....what are we missing?????
Ben
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
For the the video i posted last night of my completed array ... i actually tried every config i could think of to get it to turn .. No luck.
as i closed the loop of the mag array all movement stopped.
Today i broke off the mags and started Mylows current config:series of seven around the disk separated by 2 1/4 inch followed by a set of six mags separated by 4 1/2 inches..
i am about half around the disk - going slow trying to keep spacing accurate as possible.
i shot a movie just now at the half way complete mark where i can see the disk movement is slowing as i close the loop on the mag array. This is what my disk with series of three did also ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A
i see no tendency of this setup to want to self sustain .. maybe it's my setup - i dunno ..
Waiting for ClaNZer to show me how ..
Will shoot another movie at the end when i close the loop ..
Cheers
Queue
@queue,
It would be good if you could try to have the front of the 2nd-video-clusters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGaXgQWj6o) approach the stator while moving. One can imagine that if there's no barrier to that and the wheel would proceed to turn there can be another set (of magnets, not cooperating w/ the first set) on the other side of the wheel which would do the same. I know its hard to try all these proposals but it's just a suggestion which you might wanna try at a suitable moment.
Queue,
Have you verified that your magnets are magnetized through the length and a compass points to the edges of the magnets rather than the faces?
-Duff
@queue,
Recall that in the magnetic propulsor we need to have gravity to get the ball out of the structure (out of the magnetic field). On the contrary, recall in the tri-gate it was easy for the roller to get out of the structure but there was a barrier at the entrance of the structure. From your second video it is seen that there's no barrier to get out of the structure. It would be interesting to see whether or not there's a barrier to get into the structure. If there is no such barrier we're there. It would only be a matter of building a matching second structure.
I'm editing to add this: The encouraging fact in your 2nd video was that the gets easily out of the stator magnet. Think about it, if that's because all rotor magnets are N and that occurred because the stator magnet was placed favorably to have its N repel on the exit the N pole of the rotor then the stator placement should also be favorable when rotor structure enters its sphere of influence (indeed rotor will be N while the closer stator pole will be S upon entering). The alternative position (flipping over its N and S poles) of the stator will be unfavorable, if the above is true.
Here's another edit to reinforce the above. There should be some kind of a hybrid (and that's what attracted me to this Mylow thing to begin with, expecting this hybrid has been achieved) between the propulsor and tri-gate whereby the sucking into the structure would be as unobstructed as the spitting it out of the structure. If we have this, we're done. The only thing that remains is to have it optimized for a closed loop.
Quote from: duff on April 03, 2009, 07:29:15 PM
Queue,
Have you verified that your magnets are magnetized through the length and a compass points to the edges of the magnets rather than the faces?
-Duff
i did not make a compass video of that - but yes - my mags are the same pole orientations as Mylow's.
Merci
Q
@Queue:
Your first magnet stack has only got 6 magnets instead of 7, so just maybe add another one.
Please also show your stator magnet.
Is it also just a magnetized iron U-Shaped block ?
Looking forward to see the video, when all magnets are mounted.
Many thanks.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
@queue,
Recall that in the magnetic propulsor we need to have gravity to get the ball out of the structure (out of the magnetic field). On the contrary, recall in the tri-gate it was easy for the roller to get out of the structure but there was a barrier at the entrance of the structure. From your second video it is seen that there's no barrier to get out of the structure. It would be interesting to see whether or not there's a barrier to get into the structure. If there is no such barrier we're there. It would only be a matter of building a matching second structure.
Depending on which way you rotate the rotors :
At the start of each rotor array segment there is a small wall you have to push through to get started.
rotor N meets stator's N = (wall) repulsion.
As the last magnet in each rotor segment moves past the stators S side and out of the stator's field - it get's pushed away by the same amount you had to push to get in to get started moving.
If you flip the stator 180 degrees - the rotors want to go the opposite way ..
Hope i haven't just confused you completely. :-)
Cheers
Q
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
At the start of each rotor array segment there is a small wall you have to push through to get started.
rotor N meets stator's N = (wall) repulsion.
The question is, what kind of stator are you using ?
If it is pure Iron, this might be different !?
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
Depending on which way you rotate the rotors :
At the start of each rotor array segment there is a small wall you have to push through to get started.
rotor N meets stator's N = (wall) repulsion.
As the last magnet in each rotor segment moves past the stators S side and out of the stator's field - it get's pushed away by the same amount you had to push to get in to get started moving.
If you flip the stator 180 degrees - the rotors want to go the opposite way ..
Hope i haven't just confused you completely. :-)
Cheers
Q
Mylow's stator is slightly wider than 2 rotors plus the space. Is your setup the same? I suspect that little extra stator width might have alot to do with keeping it going.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 03, 2009, 07:49:07 PM
@Queue:
Your first magnet stack has only got 6 magnets instead of 7, so just maybe add another one.
Please also show your stator magnet.
Is it also just a magnetized iron U-Shaped block ?
Looking forward to see the video, when all magnets are mounted.
Many thanks.
Stefan . .Mylows latest config is series of seven rotor mags - seperated by 2 1/4 inches, followed at the end by one series of six rotors and then a gap of several inches before starting again ..
i built the six first - instead of last just to see how it would move with the sevens..
i will need to change it to seven and rebuild a final new six with modified spacing or flip my stator the other way ..
In the video last posted - the stator i used was the one that worked best . .the big grey one on my Mylow page here
http://OverUnity.ca/Mylow
Cheers
Q
@queue,
That's worrisome. That initial barrier may kill the project. However, I still don't understand how is it that when the N's of the rotor have their first encounter w/ the S of the stator (consider this stator's disposition first) there should be a barrier. My understanding is there shouldn't be. Also (at this same disposition of the stator) the exiting N's of the rotor should be repelled by the trailing N of the stator and there should be no barrier either. Now, if you flip the stator over then it will be unfavorable at both ends.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 03, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
The question is, what kind of stator are you using ?
If it is pure Iron, this might be different !?
All my current stators are Alinco ( Aluminum - Nickle - Cobalt ) . .
i asked Sterling this morning to send me specs on Mylows new stator but he has not answered me yet .
i would be happy to purchase one to test with it - the same stator Mylow is using that is.
Waiting for an answer to my query in this regard from either Mylow or Sterling..
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 08:08:37 PM
@queue,
That's worrisome. That initial barrier may kill the project. However, I still don't understand how is it that when the N's of the rotor have their first encounter w/ the S of the stator (consider this stator's disposition first) there should be a barrier. My understanding is there shouldn't be. Also (at this same disposition of the stator) the exiting N's of the rotor should be repelled by the trailing N of the stator and there should be no barrier either. Now, if you flip the stator over then it will be unfavorable at both ends.
Perhaps you are not visualizing the fields correctly.
Depending on which way you rotate the rotor CW or CCW, each rotor segment will meet the Stator on either it's N or S pole side.
CW
When the Rotor's(N) meets the stators south it's attracted into the stator's field and then pulled back towards the stator at the end of each segment as it tries to move away.
CCW
When the Rotor's(N) meets the stators North side pole then the rotor segment is pushed back before entering the stator field and then pushed away when leaving.
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
All my current stators are Alinco ( Aluminum - Nickle - Cobalt ) . .
i asked Sterling this morning to send me specs on Mylows new stator but he has not answered me yet .
i would be happy to purchase one to test with it - the same stator Mylow is using that is.
Waiting for an answer to my query in this regard from either Mylow or Sterling..
Hi Queue:
You mentioned in a earlier post you bought the rotor magnets from
http://www.eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/
Can you tell us which part number are those and how much they cost?
Thanks
chrisC
Queue,
If you would, please provide dimensions in mm for you rotor magnets.
A: mm
B: mm
C: mm
D: mm
E: mm
F: mm
Thanks much,
Chase212327
@queue,
QuoteCW
When the Rotor's(N) meets the stators south it's attracted into the stator's field and then pulled back towards the stator at the end of each segment as it tries to move away.
Correct. Therefore, there shouldn't be an entrance barrier. Then it proceeds to clear all the mag clusters and finally exits freely (there shouldn't be an exit barrier either). Of course, if that's what the stator-rotor disposition in your first video is. It seems to me with the stator the other way around there will be hindrance on both ends. Of course, this is a very simplistic picture because the cooperation between these clusters of magnets may give rise to a much more complicated form of the field. One thing is clear from your second video, however, the whole distance where the rotor magnets are is cleared and the exiting meets no barrier. What I haven't seen in an experiment is whether or not there is an entry barrier. I guess you said there is but then, at least for me, there's not much hope. Easy-suck-in, easy-spit-out is what we're looking for and my hope was Mylow was it but it appears it isn't as of this moment. Of course, success may be due to proper configuring it or using the right stator magnets. Maybe @sterlinga could send you one of these stator magnet he sent to Mylow which Mylow found were working or maybe tell you where to get them. You're doing a terrific job, I shouldn't forget to mention.
Any news from Mylow ?
Anyone...
I finally got this linked up.
stream link
http://www.mevio.com/episode/149689/FEN+03-30-09
Download
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2009/090330_AlWitherspoon_HowardJohnson.mp3
50 min, 12 Mb
March 29, 2009 - Al Witherspoon - Howard Johnson, Famous Magnet Motor Inventor - Al has been a neighbor, friend and associate of Howard Johnson since 1978, when he first witnessed his all-magnet motor running, until Jan. 2008 when Johnson passed away.
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 03, 2009, 08:40:58 PM
Queue,
If you would, please provide dimensions in mm for you rotor magnets.
A: mm
B: mm
C: mm
D: mm
E: mm
F: mm
Thanks much,
Chase212327
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
i asked Sterling this morning to send me specs on Mylows new stator
This is the one Mylow is uring right now:
Alnico; HS811N
from
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Mention the promotion code "PES", and you'll get a 5% discount, and we'll be credited with the sale.
I also sent him HS90 in the same shipment, but it's bigger and stronger, and he likes the smaller one. Now that he's got it stabilized, after 8-10 hours of effort, he's not likely to try another one any time soon.
I've updated http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Stator_Magnets accordingly.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
This is the one Mylow is uring right now:
Alnico; HS811N
from
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Mention the promotion code "PES", and you'll get a 5% discount, and we'll be credited with the sale.
I also sent him HS90 in the same shipment, but it's bigger and stronger, and he likes the smaller one. Now that he's got it stabilized, after 8-10 hours of effort, he's not likely to try another one any time soon.
I've updated http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Stator_Magnets accordingly.
Might be nice to see a video of said stabilized magnet motor, but whatever
This is in a nut shell, Mylow holding the Mag Motor, then posting the vids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERAkyDHOgo4
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
This is the one Mylow is uring right now:
Alnico; HS811N
from
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Mention the promotion code "PES", and you'll get a 5% discount, and we'll be credited with the sale.
I also sent him HS90 in the same shipment, but it's bigger and stronger, and he likes the smaller one. Now that he's got it stabilized, after 8-10 hours of effort, he's not likely to try another one any time soon.
I've updated http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Stator_Magnets accordingly.
One more question from me please .. if you would .. thanks for the last reply BTW..
could you ask Mylow for the measurement between individual rotor mags in his series seven/six current working disk ..
i understand the series seven arrays are separated by 2 1/4 inches
but it would be helpful to know the spacing between individual rotors in those arrays.
Thanks
Q
Hey, guys, did you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ ?
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 11:31:32 PM
Hey, guys, did you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ ?
Indeed. It's his comments that accompany it that I find ominous:
"new stator setup sorry no glass table will not continue this project i am not responsible what others do to make some thing like this i am not asking for any credet or any other thing.if you can make this work better then i i wish you luck this want easy for me and my wife to my brother you are they must sciptcal person in the world and i repsect your comments and advice if it wasnt for you i would of gave up.thank you everyone for opening up my eyes to the real world.have fun all and be responsible. "
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 11:31:32 PM
Hey, guys, did you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ ?
Mylow said :
NOT A SELF STARTER .new stator setup sorry no glass table
will not continue this project i am not responsible what others do to make some thing like this i am not asking for any credet or any other thing.if you can make this work better then i i wish you luck this want easy for me and my wife to my brother you are they must sciptcal person in the world and i repsect your comments and advice if it wasnt for you i would of gave up.thank you everyone for opening up my eyes to the real world.have fun all and be responsible.
@infringer,
The position of the stator should be the least of your worries. Recall that @sterlinga sent him stators which are stronger magnets than his original ones.
Where are our favorite sound analyzers to assure us this isn't a wind down? That's the first thing to be done. Second, if he started this (not shown in this video -- why?) the way he starts the rotor in the rest of the videos then it is a self-starter despite what he says. Also, why is the video stalling at 2:37? Wonder if @queue is watching this right now (we know that @CLaNZeR will be here tomorrow)?
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
Like I said, proving continuous production of excess energy is the easiest thing in the world, should it be real -- start it from standstill and show it makes more than one full turns on its own. Maybe here in this forum we should set up as a requirement that anyone claiming such a thing allow a visit. If not, the subject is dropped. Let the claimant post it elsewhere and have it discussed there, not here. Perhaps Steorn forum will be a good place for that since lack of science is rampant there and the hot air blown by the critics is enough to make any device spin.
You guys are free to use my new hosted forum at Free Energy Talk http://www.freeenergytalk.com. I can set up a specific area and sensible folks who want unhindered, hassle free replication discussions can be made moderators of that area. It's important that the discussions are nutter free and intimidation free also. Debunkers will be shown the door and not tolerated.
Gimme a shout at admin@freeenergytalk.com if you cannot get peace and quiet to conduct sensible discussion. My home is your home.
Craig
Quote from: Omnibus on April 03, 2009, 11:31:32 PM
Hey, guys, did you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ ?
This video is enough to see...
...the wheel accelerates ! from 0:00 to 2:37
Nice :)
Thank you @FreeEnergyTruth. Now, the most important thing is to have this device replicated as soon as possible.
Unbelievable. He actually did it, didn't he. Over to you, testers.
Just barely posted, from Mylow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
"NOT A SELF STARTER .new stator setup sorry no glass table will not continue this project i am not responsible what others do to make some thing like this i am not asking for any credet or any other thing.if you can make this work better then i i wish you luck this want easy for me and my wife to my brother you are they must sciptcal person in the world and i repsect your comments and advice if it wasnt for you i would of gave up.thank you everyone for opening up my eyes to the real world.have fun all and be responsible."
The video has a glitch at around 3:27.
Notice how far away the stator magnet is from the rotor magnets.
In an earlier conversation, he said when he brings the stator in closer, the rotor rotates more rapidly.
I phoned Mylow and have a few more things to report -- later. I wanted to let you know he put a video up.
Sterling
http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Quote from: LightRider on April 03, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
This video is enough to see...
...the wheel accelerates ! from 0:00 to 2:37
Nice :)
Correct. Start two instances of the video, one at the beginning, the other at, say, 2:25 and the acceleration becomes evident.
Queue (and other Replicators),
Here are some simple equations for relative magnet sizing and spacing (providing much more detail than my previous posts on this technique). All this was developed from Mylow's original Running Motor videos and his magnet measurements found on the internet.
As an example, with these equations, if you already have rotors, you can calculate optimal Stator dimensions. And then start hunting down something as close as possible on the net.
Chase212327
Someone (@flahr1) mentioned wind down in reverse. Many of us remember this Lego effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg . With the stator magnet close to the rotor mags the wind down is fairly short. To have a longer wind down the stator magnet has to be at a distance, as in this last Mylow's video. @infringer's point may make sense if that's such an outright fraud. Even the starting of the rotor will not be a proof that that's not the case, as the Lego video shows. A clock seated next to the motor with a seconds ticker might have helped. So, it's not the glass table, not the glass table that is the problem. Pulling the wool over our eyes again or what?. Anyway, the proof for the reality of this claim can only be an independent reproduction. Period. End of story.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 04, 2009, 01:13:31 AM
Sorry @nyctuber, obviously our posts have crossed unwittingly but that's a real concern.
I think it would be a very clever move on Mylow's part if that is what he did. He avoids further trouble, we see his final setup.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 04, 2009, 01:23:06 AM
If he'd done that it would've been very underhanded to put it mildly.
He might have had no choice. The lawyer and thug most likely threatened his life, if that story is to be believed. He certainly did not come across as a bullshitter on any of the 40 videos, so there'd be zero reason to start now unless he was scared, which he does seem to be by his written commentary.
Anyway whatever, it will either work or it wont right
If we continue to act unassuming, the closest so far appears to be @queue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A . Mylow's rotor magnets seem to be arranges tighter within a cluster. The amazing thing about @queue's is that after acceleration within a cluster it almost halts then accelerates again and again almost halts and so on until the end of the set of clusters. This may mean that each cluster is acting on its own which may speak that it wil stay that way, unaffected by the nearest neighbors, also when the whole rim is completed. Notice also that Mylows has uneven gaps between clusters, especially one of the gaps.
I can demonstrate that this last video from Mylow is a hoax.
Download the sound modified from his video here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item257).
Listen that at exactly 12 seconds you will hear a kind of air release sound. Watch the video now and pay attention to the same 12 seconds and notice that the motor accelerates at 12 seconds right at the moment the air sound is released.
Please, someone explain to me how can his magnets now create that sound and at the same explain why the acceleration.
This is the proof of the hoax.
Fausto.
ps: video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
Quote from: plengo on April 04, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
I can demonstrate that this last video from Mylow is a hoax.
Download the sound modified from his video here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item257).
Listen that at exactly 12 seconds you will hear a kind of air release sound. Watch the video now and pay attention to the same 12 seconds and notice that the motor accelerates at 12 seconds right at the moment the air sound is released.
Fausto.
ps: video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
Yeah except the same car/ truck sounds you claimed were 'proof' of machinery earlier can be heard in other videos, not even dealing with a running motor. Completely disproven.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 04, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
If we continue to act unassuming, the closest so far appears to be @queue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A . Mylow's rotor magnets seem to be arranges tighter within a cluster. The amazing thing about @queue's is that after acceleration within a cluster it almost halts then accelerates again and again almost halts and so on until the end of the set of clusters. This may mean that each cluster is acting on its own which may speak that it wil stay that way, unaffected by the nearest neighbors, also when the whole rim is completed. Notice also that Mylows has uneven gaps between clusters, especially one of the gaps.
Yes is slows down far more than Mylow's after each group of magnets. It would have been nice if one of Mylow's rotor magnets could have been tested, his last setup apparently uses the stator magnet sterlings sent him which anyone can buy.
and BTW there no need to say that the video may be compressed so the time is out of synch because on the sound that I extracted you can clearly hear a tick once every second showing how well timed the video and its sound is.
That tick might even be a clock on the wall or some other machinery around that room.
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 04, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
I can demonstrate that this last video from Mylow is a hoax.
Download the sound modified from his video here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item257).
Listen that at exactly 12 seconds you will hear a kind of air release sound. Watch the video now and pay attention to the same 12 seconds and notice that the motor accelerates at 12 seconds right at the moment the air sound is released.
Fausto.
ps: video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
Can't discern the acceleration at the 12th second with a naked eye. I hear the whizz but the acceleration of the rotor isn't evident to me. Can you enhance the voices at the background and find out whether or not the words are said in reverse? That might help.
The best thing would be if @sterlinga can send those exact stator magnets to @queue and @CLaNZeR.
Quote from: queue on April 03, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
Depending on which way you rotate the rotors :
At the start of each rotor array segment there is a small wall you have to push through to get started.
rotor N meets stator's N = (wall) repulsion.
As the last magnet in each rotor segment moves past the stators S side and out of the stator's field - it get's pushed away by the same amount you had to push to get in to get started moving.
If you flip the stator 180 degrees - the rotors want to go the opposite way ..
Hope i haven't just confused you completely. :-)
Cheers
Q
Would like to mentions some of my obsevation -
POINTS
1. @ 2.21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398 in his first set of three the gaps do not look even. One magnet looks slighty angled. in some of his others sets the gaps look slighty different as well. His 4 magnet set is not even @ 1.21 last magnet of the set looks angled as well.
2. his motor seems to accerate nicely in and throught the sets. In these videos you see acceration and deacceration in the sets of magnets as it hits the various flux points. I am wondering where you see deacceration is were the gap should be (or another magnet as clanzers video on point 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiM75SFpQdA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWXyE6zLdU&feature=related
3. Myow posted a vid showing he has magnetic wave on his wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2VX89gJcbU
I guess the basic question - Can you exit at the top of the wave and enter at the bottom due to the gap and the sets of magnets(including pehaps different spacing you have between each magnet in a set) you have.
4. In Clanzers video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYWBXPVSO4&feature=related he added in an odd magnet with a different spacing to clear the gap.
One approach could be to find what configurations gives you the fastest exit from one set. A set of 3 magnets, a set of 4 magnets or 6 and the spacing between each of the magnets in the set with flux points taken into considerations. Then again with flux points taken into consideration what gap gives you the least deacceration moving into a set.
Again from point 3 Myow first set 3 magnets the gap looks slight closer on his last magnet. might be giving an added push out. I think you would need to build up your wheel checking that your wheel as a whole has acceration as you add each set of magnets. don't go by what you have done before if there is deacceration after a set change the gaps or number of magnets in the set. Mylow has said symetry is not important gapping is.
Here's a set of Relative Sizing and Spacing values, based on my estimating equations. It's driven off of rotor width. You can use these equations/values to be sure your magnet set is roughly similarly matched to the set Mylow used in his Original Running Motor.
Chase212327
Quote from: plengo on April 04, 2009, 01:38:12 AM
I can demonstrate that this last video from Mylow is a hoax.
Listen that at exactly 12 seconds you will hear a kind of air release sound. Watch the video now and pay attention to the same 12 seconds and notice that the motor accelerates at 12 seconds right at the moment the air sound is released.
ps: video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
Fausto,
Your analysis is compromised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpSjHJe6rXQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpSjHJe6rXQ) listen at ~2:30 a very similar "air release" sound ...his steam heater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgPC-tjwww (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgPC-tjwww) his other silent video also indicates a clock in the room with a consistent ticking.
leave it to those attempting replication for evidence as to success or hoax.
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 04, 2009, 02:34:45 AM
Here's a set of Relative Sizing and Spacing values, based on my estimating equations. It's driven off of rotor width. You can use these equations/values to be sure your magnet set is roughly similarly matched to the set Mylow used in his original Running Motor.
Chase212327
Nice .. helpful :-)
Would it be possible to get same info for his new seven-six disk config ..his last video ? ?
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 04, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
Nice .. helpful :-)
Would it be possible to get same info for his new seven-six disk config ..his last video ? ?
Cheers
Queue
Highly unlikely, unless we could get diffinitive, detailed measurements. Are the rotors the exact same rotors he used in his Original Running Motor? Did he at all change the gaps between his rotors, in order to adjust for Sterling's new stator? Too many unknowns with this New Running Motor (at this point). And it sounds like Mylow has stepped back now too. :(
Chase212327
Queue,
Your rotors are 9.6mm wide and one inch tall.
How does your stator compare?...
C: Rotor Width 9.6
G: Stator Total Width 25.6
H: Gap Between Rotors 3.2
J: Stator Pole Width 6.4
K: Stator Opening 12.8
BTW, the stator should be one inch (25.4mm) tall too, to match your rotor height.
Chase212327
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A
On watching this video one can't but help getting the impression that one is watching a long line of SMOTs with inertia taking the place of gravity in carrying the rotor from one position to the next.
I feel therefore that Omnibus is absolutely right to bang on about the SMOT in the way he does.
The problem of continuous running is therefore one of closure. Has Mylow by fiddling about arrived at just that combination of magnet strength - or rather lack of it -, disc inertia and group spacing which enables him to close the gap? It seems quite likely.
By breaking up the magnets into groups he has cut out all but first order interactions.
If you remember when you first encountered calculus, even the first order interactions are cut out let alone the higher ones.
Think of those children's puzzles where you have to count the number of triangles. The individual triangles are easy but then there are the triangles made up of groups of triangles and the triangles made up of groups of groups of triangles. Finally there is the biggest triangle of them all, the highest order interaction. That is what is stopping the closing of the circle. That has to be eliminated by making the groups so independent that only the first order interaction, the driving interaction is significant.
I seem to remember that the same destruction of high order interaction takes place if you try to magnetise a very very long iron bar. You don't simply get a north pole one end and a south pole the other but there's all sorts of weird stuff going on in between.
If I'm right then the Germans will be in London by Christmas (to bowdlerize my most popular quote from the Battle of Britain ;D ).
Oh, hey, Frank!
It must been a year or more since we have our last "talk."..
Good to See you!
Yep, the basic "SMOT" problem (or, all the previous work) is playing a role here....
Of course, it's up to anyone to find an answer for themself...
.........
Hey, we have a professional here, in this very thread!
Omnibus is an expert to deal with a "SMOT" type answers.... >:(
CoE and similar stuff.... I believe You know his "mantra"...?
Anyway, good to talk to you!
Cheers!
"spinn3er"
Quote from: spinner on April 04, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
But I admit I was acting rather insulting (unintentionally!), therefore I am using this post to apologise to CLaNZeR. The truth is, I actually like his enthusiasm, good will, preparedness to help,.. to replicate OU experiments...
CLaNZeR, please, forgive me! I AM sorry ! You are the good guy! Sincerely!
....
Spinner not a problem and thx. We all get carried away and frustration comes out, even with me :)
For the record I do not actually believe anything 100% until I see it myslef and this is why I try and replicate so many things.
I enjoy it and also.
Do not ask me why, that is just what floats my boat, well that a few other things haha
What I found about Mylow's initial videos was that it was a self starter and that made this one different.
But alas the latest video has moved away from that.
Alot of people comment asking why do WindDown videos?, well one of the reasons is to actually show them that it is very easy to shoot a video for a few minutes showing a loose Rotor spinning and claiming it is a self runner, when in fact it is just a Flywheel effect.
With the new video I just wish he had a hand held laser tacho on it, these are cheap enough to buy these days and would be enough proof to get me excited again.
Till I see a working Replication of Mylows I will remain firmly on the fence but stay open minded.
Waiting for some parcels to arrive this end and back to trying :)
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 04, 2009, 05:16:09 AM
Spinner not a problem and thx. We all get carried away and frustration comes out, even with me :)
For the record I do not actually believe anything 100% until I see it myslef and this is why I try and replicate so many things.
I enjoy it and also.
Do not ask me why, that is just what floats my boat, well that a few other things haha
What I found about Mylow's initial videos was that it was a self starter and that made this one different.
But alas the latest video has moved away from that.
Alot of people comment asking why do WindDown videos?, well one of the reasons is to actually show them that it is very easy to shoot a video for a few minutes showing a loose Rotor spinning and claiming it is a self runner, when in fact it is just a Flywheel effect.
With the new video I just wish he had a hand held laser tacho on it, these are cheap enough to buy these days and would be enough proof to get me excited again.
Till I see a working Replication of Mylows I will remain firmly on the fence but stay open minded.
Waiting for some parcels to arrive this end and back to trying :)
Cheers
Sean.
Thanks, Sean!
We all have to deal with our "frustrations" sometimes... You know I "know" you for quite some time now... And I know You're a good guy. Thanks!
Yes, we can all get carried away sometimes...
So, no bad feelings? I hope?
Cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
What's that sound after the "glitch"? It sound as though a tape has bust or come to an end and it's flapping around on its spool. Also, there is certainly the sound of voices in the background. Can anyone enhance them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
The question has arisen whether Mylow was running the above video backwards and what one was seeing was a rundown.
If it was running backwards the normal direction of rotation would be reversed. We are effectively looking at the hands of a clock.
What is Mylow's normal direction of rotation?
As you can see from a previous video it is clockwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w48QuEfL59Q&feature=channel_page
And the direction of rotation in the latest video is also clockwise.
This suggests that the video is not a wind-down running backwards.
Of course he could have reversed the magnet from its normal orientation. But since no one on this forum seems to have considered the significance of the rotation direction it's unlikely he would have done either.
Well I still hope this not a hoax. I started a build about week ago and decided to play around with some neo's that I had. I used a VCR video drum for my rotor with an old 15 inch clock that I mounted on it. I used dice to mount my neo mags. I have tried differnt stators and the horseshoe Alnico seems to give best results. I am using hot glue to glue everything down. Crashes are not pretty.
Bill
more from my build...
Quote from: maw2432 on April 04, 2009, 07:44:57 AM
more from my build...
LOL looks like a birth day cake! Try two rows on top of each other to mach the U-shape of Mylow's rotor magnets. I am also experimenting with the setup, but have no positive results yet.
@hartiberlin..... Stefan I hope you read this.
It is pretty clear to me that there are MIB's right here on this very forum.
They may be disguised as high ranked or low ranked members or both. These are not necessarily
government people but simply people that are employed by OIL companies.
They either discourage members from replicating or mislead them by giving
false information.
Mylow has been a sincere simple guy from the beginning.
You can sense that in his voice and willingness to help other replicators.
What I am saying goes for the rest of the other otherwise useful threads here.
Their tactics (tools) are :
Cynicism,
Scientific mumbo jumbo
Bring more questions into minds. Mix thoughts.
Discourage.
Give falsified information to few courageous replicator in all threads
Take down
When you take a look at the threads here they all have the same pattern.
It starts with great enthusiasm, it takes some advancements, gets pounded down by sceptics
and cynics, replicators are discouraged and finally energy of the thread is taken to 0.
Stefan you should ban any discouraging, cynic or negative comments on all the threads.
Any attempt to falsified information should be watched closely.
This forum gets its power from bringing together many different people with different backgrounds
and different abilities and resources. If you want this to work you should STOP ALL NEGATIVITY
IN THIS FORUM IN ANY FORM as people no matter how they may be different have things in common.
One of them is people will get discouraged easily when they read any kind of negative comment.
Why? Because there are the following difficulties :
. Life itself is already difficult. People use up most of their energy and time
on normal life issues and problems.
. A free energy project takes time energy and hard earned money.
. There are many threads and maybe tomorrows thread could be easier and cheaper to deal with.
Some of you are great scientists. You need to couple that with exercises that would grow your intuition to see the backstage
of things and make life easier for yourselves in all aspects.
Piece,
Quote from: maw2432 on April 04, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
Well I still hope this not a hoax. I started a build about week ago and decided to play around with some neo's that I had. I used a VCR video drum for my rotor with an old 15 inch clock that I mounted on it. I used dice to mount my neo mags. I have tried differnt stators and the horseshoe Alnico seems to give best results. I am using hot glue to glue everything down. Crashes are not pretty.
Bill
AND??? The results are...??
Quote from: maw2432 on April 04, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
Well I still hope this not a hoax. I started a build about week ago and decided to play around with some neo's that I had. I used a VCR video drum for my rotor with an old 15 inch clock that I mounted on it. I used dice to mount my neo mags. I have tried differnt stators and the horseshoe Alnico seems to give best results. I am using hot glue to glue everything down. Crashes are not pretty.
Bill
I love the look of this set up. A Vegas Wheel !!!!!!
Looks like a combination Roulette/ Craps table. All dice placed Aces Up.
Like I said, I love it. Great work.
@ nyctuber
No positive results yet. I get the same effects others are getting. It moves pretty good until I fill the entire wheel. I have tried lots of differnt spacing.
@ Anand
Yes it it rather funny looking. Thanks, I will try to stack 2 of the dice.. one N and one S.
Photo of my wheel before adding my dice & magnets. The dice were cheep (10 for dollar). Magnets I already had.
Bill
Quote from: devrimogun on April 04, 2009, 08:21:48 AM
@hartiberlin..... Stefan I hope you read this.
It is pretty clear to me that there are MIB's right here on this very forum.
My advise: don't get paranoid.
This is a
discussion forum as well, we need those who are pro and con for discussions.
Quote from: robbie47 on April 04, 2009, 08:37:34 AM
My advise: don't get paranoid.
This is a discussion forum as well, we need those who are pro and con for discussions.
Paranoia, what I am saying and pros and cons are totally different things.
Can't you see how easy it is to take down any idea?
You just did on mine.
And there it goes around again.
There is no way out with this system.
Quote from: maw2432 on April 04, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
@ nyctuber
No positive results yet. I get the same effects others are getting. It moves pretty good until I fill the entire wheel. I have tried lots of differnt spacing.
@ Anand
Yes it it rather funny looking. Thanks, I will try to stack 2 of the dice.. one N and one S.
Photo of my wheel before adding my dice & magnets. The dice were cheep (10 for dollar). Magnets I already had.
Bill
Good luck Bill. I notice Mylow began with the stator close to the platter, in line with both poles, and later had apparent success with a north pole-only alignment.
Quote from: robbie47 on April 04, 2009, 08:37:34 AM
My advise: don't get paranoid.
This is a discussion forum as well, we need those who are pro and con for discussions.
You guys need a builders only thread ......ignore any body who does not post a picture of their build no room for the cons there Some people just like to make conflict ..sad but true.
Love the clock! Go guys !
TinselKoala has tossed his ascerbic hat in the ring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWt9Llklyg
@sterlinga
I may be sounding like a broken record but I think it would be most advantageous if you can speak with Mylow again and ask him about the rotor magnets. We absolutely need to know the pull capacity of the rotors. Some idea at least. If you look at the channel magnet market there are many choices with pull strengths going from 1 to 12 pounds in relatively similar sized channel magnets. Without the pull information on the rotor replication will be more difficult.
If his rotors have 1 pound pull, then the proximity spacing on the rotor sets would mean a totally different thing then if they have 12 pounds pull. Given that close spacings of the rotors, his rotor information is totally important since with the wrong rotor force, or let's say a rotor force that may be totally out of the range of adjustment compensation one could achieve with the variable stator positions. To strong means each segment will have a harder entry point, too weak and there is not enough repulsion force to push it out to the next.
Now of course all this is also relative to the rotor spacings but knowing Mylows spec on the rotor will give us a very clear idea on the actual flux strengths involved and this is definitely key.
Also, please thank him for his last video which says it all. lol
@maw2432
Like your wheel. Since your magnets are facing one polarity inwards towards the center, I would suspect that your stator will work better from the top.
@all builders
It is evident that magnet flux strength variations will all play on the rotor spacings. Some have already recommended that at this exploratory stage you only work with 3-6 rotors using a means of spacing with some type of clamping that will permit you to quickly change the rotor spacings and then do manual stator positioning, not fixed. The mix between the two will provide you with faster results.
So what happens when you put two magnets together. or near one another. The magnet field doubles. When you put 3 it triples as one. If you have 2 sets of 3, the whole space will have two triples intermixed making one dual flux. Then the inter 6 set spacing being large enough to enable the stator to reset its own field as it transfers from one 6 set to the other.
You need to play with only 6 magnets on the wheel. Once put on, take your compass and see how far the total field extends left and right into the wide open spacing and write down the length. Then compare this to how far one rotor magnet field extends left and right and write down the length. This will give you a realistic visual idea of the 6 or 7 set flux. Then play with the inter spacings and stator position to get the stator to pass through.
Mylows last video shows 55 rotors in 8 sets, 7 or 7 and 1 or 6 all equally spaced in their sets. But his rotors could have a pull strength of only 1 pound each. If your rotors have a pull strength of 3-4, 5-8, 9-12 pounds, all this will then require some compensatory spacing to maintain the same overall flux but even then, it will not replicate the same flux angle.
My wheel is not the same configuration and my stator I am using for now is a set of neos with two metal shafts, one stuck in each side either inline or perpendicular. I can change the stator width by simply removing some neos. This may be a good way for you guys to try other stator widths since your regular stators are locked to that dimension and may be not suitable for the rotor field strengths. All this will play on the overall effects.
Listening to latest video with headphones it is quite easy to understand portions of TV/Radio dialogue in the background.
@ 00:40 you can clearly hear a melody
@ 02:21 Male voice "Will I have to see you again, will you be in the ring again. Because we will really be fighting for you"
kudos to sterling for the best project i have ever seen run....(i'm just not sure what the project objective was)...
;D
@FuB@aR3D
Sound tracks can easily be dubbed onto the video.
@Sterlinga
You made a cryptic comment earlier about having more information regarding talks with Mylow?
Quote from: wattsup on April 04, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
So what happens when you put two magnets together. or near one another. The magnet field doubles. When you put 3 it triples as one. If you have 2 sets of 3, the whole space will have two triples intermixed making one dual flux. Then the inter 6 set spacing being large enough to enable the stator to reset its own field as it transfers from one 6 set to the other.
You need to play with only 6 magnets on the wheel. Once put on, take your compass and see how far the total field extends left and right into the wide open spacing and write down the length. Then compare this to how far one rotor magnet field extends left and right and write down the length. This will give you a realistic visual idea of the 6 or 7 set flux. Then play with the inter spacings and stator position to get the stator to pass through.
In mylow's wave video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2VX89gJcbU
The tools he uses to show the wave reminded me of an ant farm with the contents ripped out of it - add iron filings and seal it at the top.
Picture of the type of ant farm I mean.
http://www.ant-farms.com/ant-farm-reviews/giant-ant-farm.html
It would be interesting if a modified ant farm could help show the position of the wave as you enter and exit each set of rotors.
@TK
Thanks for your video. It was well prepared and your set-up is top notch. I understand perfectly well what you are trying to show here as this was my initial and very valid concern as I am sure it was for most builders, etc. The fact though is this cannot be compared in the same way using only one magnet as it is already obvious without doing the whole testing exercise that the wheel will turn longer when the stator is removed. The point here is that it is not a single rotor magnet that is doing the actual Mylow effect. It is the combined effect otherwise if your testing could extrapolate the Mylow effect, then his wheel should not turn at all since all the rotors combined should have a combined adverse effect on the ability of the wheel to turn. But I do appreciate the manner is which you presented this.
Just to expand, what Mylow does is not a drastic pull start as your string test is showing. He is only placing the start into the directional flux and lets it go on its own from there. Granted the wheel momentum has a play in this and we already know this, but if all those magnets had a "negative" quality, you would agree that wheel should not turn regardless of the wheel momentum as shown in your tests.
So, does your conclusion mean you will not put any more rotors on that wheel and stop this project. That is my question. lol
This TinselKoala guy has a rather enormous chip on his shoulder, huh. Not enough attention from the overunity forum, I'm guessing?
Quote from: HiggsField on April 04, 2009, 09:08:07 AM
@FuB@aR3D
Sound tracks can easily be dubbed onto the video....
True, but wouldn't they have made it a teeny weeny bit more obvious and not almost below the threshold of perception.
Sorry Higgs, you are postulating a degree of Machiavellian intrigue which is unbelievable. The MIB are not that clever. They are rather stupid actually and their knowledge of science is probably absolutely pathetic. It's far more likely you are a paid critic (and I'm not suggesting you are) than that video had a dubbed sound track.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 04, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
This TinselKoala guy has a rather enormous chip on his shoulder, huh. Not enough attention from the overunity forum, I'm guessing?
There are several people who enter a thread and discourage everyone until the thread dies.
If Stefan does not start using his Yellow Cards and his Red Cards, he may find that everyone
migrates to a board which is usefully and properly moderated.
Well new spacing I have decided on for today based on the width of my Rotor magnets.
Off to build it up.
Other Stator magnets and Iron bar I was expecting did not arrive as expected for the weekend though :(
Back a bit later and will let you know how it goes.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 04, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
There are several people who enter a thread and discourage everyone until the thread dies.
If Stefan does not start using his Yellow Cards and his Red Cards, he may find that everyone
migrates to a board which is usefully and properly moderated.
I agree. Constructive criticism is fair enough but defeatist talk is something else. In WW2 Germany you would be taken out and shot. Even in Britain it was severely discouraged.
Quote from: wattsup on April 04, 2009, 09:30:01 AM
@TK
Thanks for your video. It was well prepared and your set-up is top notch. I understand perfectly well what you are trying to show here as this was my initial and very valid concern as I am sure it was for most builders, etc. The fact though is this cannot be compared in the same way using only one magnet as it is already obvious without doing the whole testing exercise that the wheel will turn longer when the stator is removed. The point here is that it is not a single rotor magnet that is doing the actual Mylow effect. It is the combined effect otherwise if your testing could extrapolate the Mylow effect, then his wheel should not turn at all since all the rotors combined should have a combined adverse effect on the ability of the wheel to turn. But I do appreciate the manner is which you presented this.
Just to expand, what Mylow does is not a drastic pull start as your string test is showing. He is only placing the start into the directional flux and lets it go on its own from there. Granted the wheel momentum has a play in this and we already know this, but if all those magnets had a "negative" quality, you would agree that wheel should not turn regardless of the wheel momentum as shown in your tests.
So, does your conclusion mean you will not put any more rotors on that wheel and stop this project. That is my question. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7-i9-Jy4k
I think this video helps explains what you mean where @ around 0.56 he lets the stator go in the middle of a set of rotors and it accerates out. Not the same setup as Mylow's and if I were to add another comment on this video it would be Mylow does not complete the ring in one sence he has gaps through out his circle
Quote from: Grimer on April 04, 2009, 09:55:32 AM
I agree. Constructive criticism is fair enough but defeatist talk is something else. In WW2 Germany you would be taken out and shot. Even in Britain it was severely discouraged.
Discouraged? Lord Haw-Haw got hanged.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 04, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
If Stefan does not start using his Yellow Cards and his Red Cards, he may find that everyone
migrates to a board which is usefully and properly moderated.
like doc stifflers migration to energeticforum.com
@all
Looks like he pulled the latest video from Youtube. Did anyone make a copy of it?
I would like to view & hear it.
Quote from: vortex360 on April 04, 2009, 10:26:14 AM
@all
Looks like he pulled the latest video from Youtube. Did anyone make a copy of it?
I would like to view & hear it.
All the 41 video in BACKUP here...
But please make more copy...
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
VIDEO #41
In the original and this copy, the video is broken at 2:37
But... enough to see...
...the wheel accelerates, from 0:00 to 2:37
Again -> please make more copy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI
"Last video I will post"
Mylow just posted a fixed version of his last video with a voice explanation/ goodbye. Dude sounds really bummed and shaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI&feature=channel_page
Christ that was really sad
Quote from: nyctuber on April 04, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
Mylow just posted a fixed version of his last video with a voice explnanation/ goodbye. Dude sounds really bummed and shaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI&feature=channel_page
Someone have the experience (with a software or ...) or tool to evaluate the acceleration of the wheel in this last video ?
Thanks,
QuoteLightRider
Thank you
Quote from: nyctuber on April 04, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
Mylow just posted a fixed version of his last video with a voice explanation/ goodbye. Dude sounds really bummed and shaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI&feature=channel_page
Can't view it. Has it be pulled?
Queue,
This is a pretty good match for you: HS811N
(Though, a little large).
Which would be (mm):
C: Rotor Width 11 (approx)
G: Stator Total Width 30.149
H: Gap Between Rotors 3.556
J: Stator Pole Width 7.112
K: Stator Opening 14.986
Which is a little large for your rotors, but worth a try:
C: Rotor Width 9.6
G: Stator Total Width 25.6
H: Gap Between Rotors 3.2
J: Stator Pole Width 6.4
K: Stator Opening 12.8
This will likely force your gaps wider, since your rotors are narrower, in order to maintain: stator width = rotor + gap + rotor + gap
Chase212327
Quote from: sterlinga on April 03, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
This is the one Mylow is uring right now:
Alnico; HS811N
from
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Mention the promotion code "PES", and you'll get a 5% discount, and we'll be credited with the sale.
I also sent him HS90 in the same shipment, but it's bigger and stronger, and he likes the smaller one. Now that he's got it stabilized, after 8-10 hours of effort, he's not likely to try another one any time soon.
I've updated http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Stator_Magnets accordingly.
We have a vertical rotor magnet with two polarities approaching a lying flat stator
magnet with two polarities.
If the stator was a bit high then the two polarities if the rotor would not balance
because one is closer than the other and
if the closest pole repeled the stator then the net sum would be repel but
if the stator was a bit low then the closer attracting roto pole of the rotor would not
balance out and it would attract the stator.
I want to see the gate first.
I am amazed at the distance away - magnet to stator -in the new stator videos.
I'm learning and digesting.
Norman
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
try this link folks.
Quote from: vortex360 on April 04, 2009, 10:26:14 AM
@all
Looks like he pulled the latest video from Youtube. Did anyone make a copy of it?
I would like to view & hear it.
G'day all,
Okay, Up till now I have resisted looking at the last video of the alleged running HJ motor by the gentleman called Mylow. Now I have a reasonable handle on physics and I know that this machine is impossible. Magnets have a static field.
But!! To give people the benefit of the doubt, because this gentleman has come across as sincere and genuine from the beginning in his attempt to produce the impossible, I figured I'll go and have a look. (especially with this quote that he has pulled the video from youtube). I was curious as to why???
Anyway, I assume the video is the one where there is no talking till a bit later in the clip and runs for around 7 something minutes? Is it the one? If it is, then I found it hadn't as yet been pulled as claimed as I'm writing this.
First of all, I don't claim that I am a film or photography expert. However, as I was watching the supposedly rotating disk, I noticed out of the corner of my eye that the lovely glass desklight up in the top right hand corner, appeared to have some kind of minute flickering anomaly to it every few seconds or so. I figured that perhaps it might be just the set of magnets reflecting in the glass beads.
But I decided to bring my eyes up real close to the vision and it appears as if it is actually a movement in the pixels (is that the right word?).
The area of this minute flickering is not right in the glassbead area but more sort of around it near the bottom.
You have to look real close and watch for it, almost more like stare and gaze without blinking as it only lasts for a very very small moment per every few seconds interval of the rolling clip. Now in case I'm asked, my monitor is an old digital diamond view thing, not an LCD.
Does anybody remember the movie SPEED starring Keanu Reeves?. Remember the scene when the bad guy was watching video footage from his home, where it showed all his hostages appear as if they were still on the bus?. Meanwhile, the police were actually getting them all off the bus safely?
They just kept on repeating it over and over. It was quite clever. Technology is truly amazing today. So couldn't this technology enable a magnet machine to appear that it is self running?.
Anyway, I could be wrong about the flickering anomaly and perhaps I'm nitpicking. However, this gentleman is making an extremely huge claim here and it is difficult not to nitpick!!! Sorry folks.
So, are there any vision experts amongst the members on this board that could look or zoom into this a bit further?.
Finally, I genuinely don't want to blow off people's enthusiasm to all this stuff and be some sort of party pooper, but at the same time I wish not to see good people on this board throw more time and money at this replication any longer than necessary. It's still everybody's own call of course and you can do whatever you like.
If I'm wrong and if someone wishes to explain it to me (nobody has to, but it is a discussion board) without nonsensical jibber, I am quite happy to be corrected.
Cheers.
P.S If I am corrected, this suddenly won't mean that I now must believe that this Mylow gentleman does indeed have a self-running machine.
There is no loop there.
However, the disc is definitely rotating much slower at the end vs. the beginning of the video.
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on April 04, 2009, 01:16:58 PM
There is no loop there.
However, the disc is definitely rotating much slower at the end vs. the beginning of the video.
.99
Not only that. It's obviously speeding up before mid-video only to slow down after the climax.
After watching the so called jerking that some called Loops i seen them as Video lag or can also be start up lag on the video/youtube.
why would i point this out because i have ran the video in our software and its not at all the same speed it may look like it but its not the motor slows down and picks up speed.
Here is the video for my finds on the audio if i have time i will do the same for the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYwKL9zKak
thats just the audio test we will be doing the video test very soon.
Quote from: Giga on April 04, 2009, 01:24:13 PM
Here is the video for my finds on the audio if i have time i will do the same for the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYwKL9zKak
I've tested several set-ups with normal magnet stuff. (neo-ferrite combinations) Conclusion; without the magnets and aluminum plate & rotor precision bearing Mylow uses for his rotor there is no way to accomplish this. I have seen no accelleration in any of the circular arrangements and magnetic directions Mylow works with using dissimilar magnet materials. Still magnetism is magnetism.. Alas we have know Howard with him, but no know how. Claenzer seems to be the one closest to the proper material, but he can't work it either as yet. So guys, what's behind that wall? Or what is the dry run spin down without the stator? :(
Quote from: Giga on April 04, 2009, 01:24:13 PM
Here is the video for my finds on the audio if i have time i will do the same for the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYwKL9zKak
Thanks
Wiz
Here's another example of sterling's help for this community[and the world]
A demo at university a couple days ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsnbhHV_xs
Chet
Quote from: Giga on April 04, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
After watching the so called jerking that some called Loops i seen them as Video lag or can also be start up lag on the video/youtube.
why would i point this out because i have ran the video in our software and its not at all the same speed it may look like it but its not the motor slows down and picks up speed.
I agree with you.
I watched this video many times, and the rotor speed varies considerably. If there
are loops, the editor would have to change the loop rate for each segment.
I am concerned with the 'blast of air' sound in the beginning of the video. Rotor speed is slow and erratic at first, then after the blast sound, it speeds up and becomes more consistent.
I may have missed something along this thread, but your speech and accent sure sound a lot like Mylows.
@ pinestone i will be loading a other video of the finds in terms of video.
as for sounding like Mylow na i dont know but chicago has its own way of speaking and alot of of that lived most our lifes here do tend to have the same lingo.
and i have been fallowing his work so it might be brushing off on me LOL
One thing is 100% sure
Mylow showed alot more than Steorn has, or ever will. (lol)
Quote from: nyctuber on April 04, 2009, 12:59:29 PM
Actually lol
I see it clearly
Watch the reflection of the lamp light on the desk and look at the wall to the left of the rotor.. It's a slight change.
I thought rotor was jerkey the first time I saw it, but thought it could just be slow streaming.
The thing is, I haven't seen this in any other of his videos.
G'day all,
The reason you may not have seen it in the other videos was that more than likely at that point they were done in real time with no so called video looping done.
Remember, those earlier videos didn't show a full uninterupted view of the turning device running by itself for a reasonable period of time, where he himself in the first instance, should have been in full video shot initiating the device from the zero movement and then for himself to promptly move away so as the viewer could see the said device build up to his claimed speeds and continue running with no further external energy influences. This was all that the researchers and skeptics were requesting to see. So very simple and yet had been seen to be so hard.
Quote from: plengo on April 04, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
I can demonstrate that this last video from Mylow is a hoax.
Download the sound modified from his video here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item257).
Listen that at exactly 12 seconds you will hear a kind of air release sound. Watch the video now and pay attention to the same 12 seconds and notice that the motor accelerates at 12 seconds right at the moment the air sound is released.
Fausto.
ps: video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqW88astyQ
Hmm, this video is removed...
He only has now this video online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI
Is this the same ?
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 04, 2009, 02:37:11 PM
Hmm, this video is removed...
He only has now this video online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI
Is this the same ?
Yes. Listen about 13 sec into it.
first one seems to be damaged,
Second plays through.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 04, 2009, 02:37:11 PM
Hmm, this video is removed...
He only has now this video online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI
Is this the same ?
Just to keep things in perspective...
1) Does ANYONE here claim the basic SMOT effect is a "fraud"... ?
2) Does anyone here claim that by using the old "hand waving" technique (moving the stator mag out momentarily at the sticky spot and relying on "flywheel effect" to keep the rotor turning for that brief time), that several different designs we have seen here over the years cannot be made to spin indefinitely (..as long as the hand waving is used at least)?
If the answer to the above is "No", then we all agree that magnet motors are possible.. Because technically that's what such a system is, like it or not, "self-starting" or not, "energy efficient" or not, "practical" or not, "all-magnet" or not. If conventional Newtonian physics says it can't be done... Then it is dead wrong.
So if a magnet rotor can be spun using "hand-waving", logic and common sense dictates it can be spun by other means; and that there is inherent motive energy to be tapped in magnets. Think about the wide ramifications of such a "discovery": And think about the Trillions in easy profits to the energy cartels that would be lost if such devices ever made it to market. Lol, that reason alone would pretty-much insure that all sorts of tricks and lies would be used to try and stop it from ever coming out... At the very least.
If this thing is a carefully-planned fraud: Then the plan was ill-conceived and foolish because it could end up doing exactly what it tried to stop: Spur new and revived research into using magnets for motive power. Whether or not there is really a "holy grail" of "all-magnet" construction like the MYLOW device claimed.... Or if small energy-efficient pulses of control coil current are needed to make it work... Such as the Minato motor which is reported to have sold 40,000 units in Japan in the first reported instance of mass-production of a Free Energy device ( http://www.japaninc.com/article.php?articleID=1302 ), either way, it is still all about motive power coming from the power of magnets. .. The one thing they will have a horrible time trying to spin as "too dangerous" (our local hospital's MRI would be more dangerous lol).
And this the crucial point: If it can be done, it will eventually be done again. But this time, if it is done as a world-wide Open Source project it will actually have a chance at successfully breaking into the mainstream.... As long as we don't let ourselves be defeated by our own doubts: And don't allow those who would discourage us from even trying to "win" by drinking their "It's all screwed" and "it can't be done" kool-aid.
There is ONE HARD FACT here: The only thing that would be proved in the "fraud or delusion" case is that THIS PARTICULAR design is "screwed". Lol, we can deal with that... It's not the first that was, and wont be the last. We have around 4,999 more to go to match Thomas Edison's "defeats" (if it even turns out to be one) ;)
The Wright Brothers were not required to produce a Trans-Atlantic jet to prove their concept... And if "Aeronautics" research had been treated the same as energy has... We would still be flying around in rattle-trap canvas biplanes.
Thousands of PHD's have worked on "hot fusion", for over 60 years of continued defeat. No one called them "nutters" lol. No one has continually told them to stop the research to save their reputations, no one in the mainstream publicly claims the Physics community would be better off if they stopped researching it, no one tells them that it is "impossible to do", so why bother.
And as far as i know, none of these scientists has even been persuaded to give up on their work by some nameless person on an internet forum.
MYLOW had 38 videos on his profile page earlier, now there are only 35.
Perhaps he is the process of deleting them.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
He last signed in 1 hour ago.
FWIW- I believe he's got something. Replications are always difficult because of so many variables.
But even MYLO changed so many things on his set up and got it to work to varying degrees.
Iron horseshoe stator
Iron horseshoe with cobalt mags attached
Anlico horeshoe stator (last video)
7 and 6 rotor magnet arrangement
3 and 4 rotor magnet arrangement
Stator mounted extremely close to rotors
Stator mounted farther away from rotors.
Who knows what else.
He had somethings tried which he indicated did not work, but, there was a lot of differences that DID work.
This will be interesting to play with and find something that works.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 04, 2009, 02:37:11 PM
Hmm, this video is removed...
He only has now this video online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX2BAc7bfI)
Is this the same ?
@Stefan - no they were not the same
check the backup site: http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
@all
Here is an analysis of the magnet spacing from the -zqW88astyQ video (the one that Mylow does not speak).
Included in the attachment are the frame from which the measurement were taken and the spreadsheet data.
-Duff
Edit:
1. Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050
2.The magnet width measurements were made so I could have a reference and check for skew and frame distortion.
3.Each image was magnified 600x
4. All meausrements were taken from same rotor position
5. Magnet spacing was acquired through only one measurement and rest of magnets in set were assumed to be the same.
6. Curvature not accounted for in measurements.
HoJo MyLow Replication Website List
Clanzer=www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=Mylo12
Queue=OverUnity.ca/Mylow
Eltimple=www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsvd3YptLE
carbonccc=www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9l3HCw5Pp0
mschukel=
Billmehess=www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GrHCqobYk
TK=www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWt9Llklyg
SkylineTomFox2118=?
DIDIT=?
steve chow=
anyone else out there? herding cats....
;D
@WilbyInebriated
thanks for the positive feedback....
can you point me in the right direction to set this up? i am no expert on this website
I am only trying to help everyone
;D
@dixiepnum
See below for more on builders.
@jibbguy
Yep. Someone finally gets it.
@ CLaNZeR
Do you know the pull force of your rotors?
@Paul-R
Don't worry. I now have moderator status on Mylow magnet motor and I will use it without hesitation. No questions asked.
I willbe opening a new discussion thread b ut since this one has everything from the beginning, I will be doing some thread clean-up to remove some blah blah so new comers will not have to deal with all the noise. No questions asked.
To BUILDERS, I think it would also be good if each of you opened a new thread from here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=117.0
with a simple title starting with MylowHJ Replication and then your user name. Example: MylowHJ Replication - wattsup. This way each member that is building can post their build specs, photos, observations and results in one location and not spread everything out on this or another long thread. The builders threads should not be used by other members unless it is very pertinent but keep it to a minimum since those spaces belong to the builder.
Guys that are doing the component measurements can open a new thread called MylowHJ Replication - Measurements so they can all be in the same place.
I will open a new thread called MylowHJ Replication - Discussion were we can all convene and talk about replications but use your own threads to post your pictures so they all stay in one spot and become useful to new members looking to work on this.
Smart remarks will be removed, no questions asked.
I hope this will help resolve some of the noise here and most importantly I sincerely hope this will entice other members to come forward with their own builds because some have sent me direct e-mails and I have told them to please come to the thread, but their reasons for staying away are obvious.
People see and believe what they want. In my book, without sounding insulting, Mylow is not sophisticated enough to do all the fancy fak'in some here are salivating over. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Others have confirmed there is no tape splicing but who listens. Anyways let's keep the goal in view.
thanks wattsup...
i have no idea who has access to create what on this website, or how,
but can we have a single page/single thread with the simple website list I created? eg so those of us watching the replication websites don't need to filter through the threads to find the builder contributions?
is that reasonable?
sure would help me...
dixie
my video reivew of mylows last video uploaded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6_foXzRP_M
Quote from: wattsup on April 04, 2009, 03:36:49 PM
@dixiepnum
See below for more on builders.
@jibbguy
Yep. Someone finally gets it.
@ CLaNZeR
Do you know the pull force of your rotors?
@Paul-R
Don't worry. I now have moderator status on Mylow magnet motor and I will use it without hesitation. No questions asked.
I willbe opening a new discussion thread b ut since this one has everything from the beginning, I will be doing some thread clean-up to remove some blah blah so new comers will not have to deal with all the noise. No questions asked.
To BUILDERS, I think it would also be good if each of you opened a new thread from here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=117.0
with a simple title starting with MylowHJ Replication and then your user name. Example: MylowHJ Replication - wattsup. This way each member that is building can post their build specs, photos, observations and results in one location and not spread everything out on this or another long thread. The builders threads should not be used by other members unless it is very pertinent but keep it to a minimum since those spaces belong to the builder.
Guys that are doing the component measurements can open a new thread called MylowHJ Replication - Measurements so they can all be in the same place.
I will open a new thread called MylowHJ Replication - Discussion were we can all convene and talk about replications but use your own threads to post your pictures so they all stay in one spot and become useful to new members looking to work on this.
Smart remarks will be removed, no questions asked.
I hope this will help resolve some of the noise here and most importantly I sincerely hope this will entice other members to come forward with their own builds because some have sent me direct e-mails and I have told them to please come to the thread, but their reasons for staying away are obvious.
People see and believe what they want. In my book, without sounding insulting, Mylow is not sophisticated enough to do all the fancy fak'in some here are salivating over. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Others have confirmed there is no tape splicing but who listens. Anyways let's keep the goal in view.
Good for you. I shall follow the thread with interest and paste any relevant comments on this thread to keep yours for the builders. Be ruthless in zapping idiots. :o
I dumped this web page to a spreadsheet, and converted all the values to millimeters, and also calculated the pole widths.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#alnico-magnets/=1awtf9
I compared the relative sizes to the Sizing and Spacing equations and tables that I've posted earlier.
Nearly all of them are much too large, in one way or another. :(
The one exception is Part# 5841K12, which is a possible candidate as a stator (to be ideally paired along with a 10.2mm wide rotor):
Total Stator Width: 27.0mm
Stator Pole Width: 6.4mm
Stator Opening: 14.3mm
Though, it's only 3/4" thick (vs about 1" for Mylow's).
Chase212327
--- In mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com, "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...> wrote:
>
> Have to set up an account with them to order.
>
> Very good customer service. Have always been in stock. They ship via next day service.
>
> Not cheapest, but reliable.
>
> ~$10 each
>
> added to http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Magnets_.28Overview.29
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Graham
> To: sterling ; Self
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:04 AM
> Subject: FOUND: Mylow Motor Magnet Source
>
>
> Sterling,
>
> Eureka! I found a source for the magnets in the Mylow Motor. Both
horshoe and what's called a 'Bridge' magnet for the rotor. They are even poled
correctly from the getgo:
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#alnico-magnets/=1asumx
>
> Please update your open source page with this above link. Let's get this thing being reproduced and youtubed as fast as possible.
>
> -Andy
>
Pmmtester just phoned me with a report of some of the negativity that is brewing over at OverUnity.com
I've not been following it because I've been preparing an instruction manual on how to build this motor.
Here are my comments on the observations that you've noted.
The data:
- the motor accelerates at first
- then the motor gradually decelerates to the end of the video
In my opinion, these are both easily explained.
The acceleration is something we've seen in other videos he's posted. It happens when he first starts the motor. That motor accelerates until it reaches an equilibrium point (most likely a function of the eddy currents that the passing magnets create in the aluminum which results in a braking effect).
The deceleration is a function of
1) the gradual demagnetization of the stator magnet.
2) possibly the vibrations from movement are causing the rotor-stator distance to increase
Option 1 is most likely.
Last night when Mylow was talking to Pmmtester on the phone, he commented that even these new stator magnets seem to be losing their magnetism. They are not holding constant.
This is an expected effect, given
1) the eddy current stress on the magnets
2) the cold temperature phenomenon that is doing who-knows-what to the magnet.
As for the sounds that can be heard during the video, I've run through this video probably 25-50 times as I've been preparing the manual. I think it's really cool. The background sounds, as far as I can tell, are consistent with typical noises of the city: neighbors talking, television, vehicles driving by. They have nothing to do with trick devices embedded in the set-up enabling it to work. Mylow lives in an apartment. He has neighbors. Vehicles drive by. I didn't think any of the noises sounded like anything other than what might be expected naturally.
Also, I've heard that Paul Lowrance and Stefan Hartmann are considering posting some information about Mylow's identity.
Please don't.
That would a very bad precedent.
How do you expect any inventor to want to use the OverUnity forum if you're going to pull stuff like that.
Already, some of your behavior toward Mylow has been deplorable in terms of the negative, personal attacks about motive, etc.
You guys need to grow up and keep your comments scientific rather than personal.
Everyone -- including all of you at OverUnity -- has personal quirks. Mylow is no exception. Jumping on personal quirks creates bad karma and is bound to come back and bite you.
While there are a lot of great things you guys contribute to the open source process, the personal negativity is extremely difficult for anyone. I'm sure you've been on the receiving end, and can relate to that. So why are you dishing it out?
I'm looking forward to a faithful replication. It's a very simple design. I've not seen a replication yet that comes adequately close to what Mylow has presented.
We're working on one, and will hopefully have it ready this week.
Sterling
Mylow's lawyer brings MIB guy who takes his motor and papers!!!!!!
QuoteMylow's lawyer brought an unidentified, intimidating man with him last night, taking his motor, all his papers, leaving him with a note of warning -- only to return the items this morning. Mylow defiantly posts another video, calling it his last.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/ (http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/)
Take care,
Michel
@all
Like I said, people see what they want to see. You see a video of a wheel turning and if it does not turn like you want it too, its a fake. You then find all the reasons to rationalize your opinion. Somebody posted a uTUBE sound analysis saying the Mylow video is uncut. OK this is it. I will be opening a new discussion thread and if anyone goes on that thread with fake shit, they will be erased, end of story. I have had it and so have many many here. Nothing is good enough, so just go somewhere else. Or better still stay here while we leave.
@sterlinga
I need a specific answer regarding the rotor magnet Mylow is using. We know about almost all of his device but the one thing that is missing is KEY. Do I have to repeat this question 50 times. Just take a rotor, lift up the maximum iron possible and weigh it. You want other replications, fine, but the one thing we need to know about the strength on the rotors used by Mylow is not on the table. I know, I know, there is always something else to know, but in my book, there is nothing else to know and/or see. No more videos, no more anything, just get me the pull capacity of his rotors, that's it. Finito. Sorry to be so rough but I just want to stress the fact that this one KEY piece of information will help us more then anything else.
@builders and interested collaborators.
The new thread will be open shortly so I suggest you go there from now on and leave this thread.
Also, please open a new thread as I had instructed before for your own builds and put all your specs in your thread. I will repeat this on the new discussion thread.
Quote from: wattsup on April 04, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
@all
Like I said, people see what they want to see. You see a video of a wheel turning and if it does not turn like you want it too, its a fake. You then find all the reasons to rationalize your opinion. Somebody posted a uTUBE sound analysis saying the Mylow video is uncut. OK this is it. I will be opening a new discussion thread and if anyone goes on that thread with fake shit, they will be erased, end of story. I have had it and so have many many here. Nothing is good enough, so just go somewhere else. Or better still stay here while we leave.
@sterlinga
I need a specific answer regarding the rotor magnet Mylow is using. We know about almost all of his device but the one thing that is missing is KEY. Do I have to repeat this question 50 times. Just take a rotor, lift up the maximum iron possible and weigh it. You want other replications, fine, but the one thing we need to know about the strength on the rotors used by Mylow is not on the table. I know, I know, there is always something else to know, but in my book, there is nothing else to know and/or see. No more videos, no more anything, just get me the pull capacity of his rotors, that's it. Finito. Sorry to be so rough but I just want to stress the fact that this one KEY piece of information will help us more then anything else.
@builders and interested collaborators.
The new thread will be open shortly so I suggest you go there from now on and leave this thread.
Also, please open a new thread as I had instructed before for your own builds and put all your specs in your thread. I will repeat this on the new discussion thread.
Wattsup,
You need to know the field strength of the magnets, not how much it will lift! Depending on the material, shape, SIZE, surface condition (smooth, ruff, pitted, rusty?), and on and on, that is a non-definitive test! Is the test at zero gap spacing? 1/8 inch? 1/4 inch? You need to know the field strength at the point it interacts with the Stator. IF you call
a magnet manufacturer with the "I want a magnet that will lift XXXX weight" they will go cross eyed on you and probably ship you whatever is kicking around the shop because they know you don't have a clue......It just doesn't work that way! Again, you must have simple instrumentation and then know what questions to ask to get even remotely in the ball park for what you really want!
This is worrisome in Sterlings reproduction as unless his Rotor magnets are dead on in their field strength and especially their field orientation, his Stator is also correct in strength and orientation precisely, he also does not have a clue and is just "Hoping" it will work. In MYLOWs case, a picture is worth a 1000 words but also leaves a 1000 questions unanswered. This is just a few of the problems we face in any accurate replication.
Ben
anyone notice a flicker in the video every gew seconds?
Quote from: k4zep on April 04, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
Queue is honest enough to say his doesn't run either. His also will not enter the gate without assistance and in the end stops which is what everyone I know and have observed does except MYLOWS. I would say (please forgive me) you are excellent at "circular" logic..............ahhhhh.....that felt good.
Ben
BTW, Queue, great work and nice video. I loved the music too!
Fausto.
@k4zep,
The funny thing is that what @plengo shows mitigates the problem you and I agreed upon. @plengo demonstrated unsuspected internal accelerations and follow-up decelerations when the rotor is making full turns which match the internal accelerations and decelerations in @queue's motor within his clusters of magnets. One may speculate that in @plengo's case some kind of superposition of the @queue's phenomenon takes place, some sort of a quasi-resonance. Turns out what you and I noticed has in fact a finer structure observed by @plengo. That should be studied further. It's interesting what ceased these 11hour and 27hour runs. If the rotor stopped naturally once at the 11th hour while in the other instance at the 27th hour it could be that in the latter case the quasi-resonance had been more favorable than in the former case. The least favorable being in the last video (where the clustering of the magnets also is quite different from that in the 11 and 27hour run, I guess). I wonder could there be any connection with Finsrud's observed variation in lengths of time during which his contraptions works. In my discussion with him it was suggested that wear and tear of the track takes place (at a different extent) and that's the reason for the difference in working times. Now here, after @plengo's demonstration, suddenly pops up another candidate explanation. Of course, all these speculations make sense provided there's no foul play on Mylow's part which I have no reason at this point to assume not to be the case.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 04, 2009, 09:14:06 PM
@k4zep,
Go back in the thread and observe that I noted this problem on two occasions. Don't throw my own arguments back at me as if they are your arguments. The problem in question is a real problem, not the phony problems @plengo is trying to pull out of thin air.
No Omnibus, I am not. I am just using the known methods of science to the reality. I see a fact and I just say it. Simple.
My videos are all about that. My words are all about that. My conclusions are
always based on the evidence given.
PLEASE, show me where I interpreted the facts wrong and why. I will examined it again and get back to you.
Fausto.
I thot giga wood have shown this in his audio nup,? maybe he doesnt have the removed clip downloaded? as you do, or r u just agreeing with me, fyi, i dont like diodes
I suppose a signature MIGHT accompany a magnetic motor?
I guess we'll have to get one going and see?
I still like Stefan's idea of more stators
Chet
Quote from: plengo on April 04, 2009, 10:27:19 PM
No Omnibus, I am not. I am just using the known methods of science to the reality. I see a fact and I just say it. Simple.
My videos are all about that. My words are all about that. My conclusions are always based on the evidence given.
PLEASE, show me where I interpreted the facts wrong and why. I will examined it again and get back to you.
Fausto.
Hoax doesn't follow from the fact you're showing. On the contrary, this fact makes the Mylow effect even more interesting and intricate than initially thought.
Note I am not talking to you folks trying to replicate. At least you will see the problems with this thing.
I have started to post ideas of this device to many times. Let see some of you "Experts" do so.
Try explaining the field interactions and how this might work. Try explaining why this will have varying speed. Lets here this from all you EXPERTS!
What is the why of spacing of the magnets in a run?
Why does the run have to be of a length?
Why of the spacing in between?
And so on. Any of you experts?? PL? O?? Any one else?? Were is the technical and theory on OU??? Were are simple drawings of field interactions?? This is a fairly simple one for this.
Does such ideas show the tendency to speed up and slow down? If so why?
What equipment is needed to test the ideas of this thing??
I will give you them.
An item to measure the force needed to get into the gate.
An item to measure the velocity of the mass as it leaved the gate.
Any other suggestions??
Hell the most I have seen on this thread is: IF YOU DON,T DO IT MY WAY you are a fake.
Hell its a 99% probability its fake or an unknown normal energy or force is running it.
Again a simple question of WHAT do you do when confronted with a example that could be fake, or if not confronts the ideas of today??
Stop hollering GIVE ME GIVE ME, and use your brain folks. If you want to believe at least have the common reasoning and knowledge to come up with a viable reason it can. If you want to scream fake, at least see what may normally be in an area that could be putting energy in. Hell a lot of ideas are found later to be wrong measure, or an to the maker, unknown out side source driving it. Of course the out right fake also exist, but is not the norm, and by presentation usually easy to see.
And most of all folks treat folk like you would want to be treated if it was not a fake, even if it is. Some damn humanity would go a long way with you folks here. Most of this thread could be used to simply show the insanity of the situation a video and claim can create. It is not pretty.
@lostcauses10x,
It's been explained many times over and I don't think now is the time to go back to these theoretical considerations. As many have already pointed out, the most important thing at this point is to attempt at a careful replication of this claim. Even if it turns out negative there's plenty to be learned from such experience.
@plengo,
I already told you where your flaw is. You demonstrate an unsuspected fine structure containing internal accelerations followed by decelerations in the run of Mylow’s motor which by no means should lead, as you portrait it, to a conclusion for a hoax. On the contrary, it is an interesting finding which deserves further attention.
@lostcauses10x,
The only real solution is to have and independent party reproduce the claim. Period. End of story.
I agree to a point.
Yet I must ask why is there so many pages??
What is the content of those pages??
Quote from: Omnibus on April 04, 2009, 10:59:42 PM
@lostcauses10x,
The only real solution is to have and independent party reproduce the claim. Period. End of story.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 04, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
I agree to a point.
Yet I must ask why is there so many pages??
What is the content of those pages??
It's like any discussion rich in content. In the process each one of us develops his or her own understanding of the problem at hand. Take a look at the recent developments in the thread, as an example. Analyses such as these in this thread are very useful, alongside w/ the hands on reproduction of the device.
C'mon moderater, start moderating.
Mylow is in the process right now, of removing all his videos.
Looks like he left one behind for posterity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI
.99
A couple of things as I watch the replications. So far no one has placed their magnets in the same spacing as Mylow. The spacing measurements all appear to be off the back of the magnets along the rim of the aluminum disk. The spacing between magnets appears to be about 1/3 the width of the magnets. Published width is .375 with a .125 spacing. Depth of the magnet is .375. Given the radius of 8.875 for the aluminum disk and a radius of 8.5 at the front of the magnets, arc length is S while radius is R, S/R = Angle between magnets in radians. Using .5 as S for the shorter radius gives an angle of .059 radians between magnets. .059 * 8.875 = .522. Or a 22 thousandths difference in the spacing front to back of the magnets. These are approximate numbers and I'm going off memory for the math so if the math needs to be corrected let me know.
This is my long winded way of saying the focus needs to be on the spacing facing the stator magnet.
With Mylows spacing the stator magnet always has the stator magnet overlapping a rotor magnet and will overlap both adjacent magnets. I've tried both the magnet width spacing and the 1/3 magnet width spacing and the later works much better. What I haven't figured out yet is how to calculate the best number of magnets in a group and the spacing between groups. I've tried the suggested spacing so the fields don't overlap between groupings but that didn't work as well as I had hoped. The next experiment is to space the magnets so the output push from one group is used to overcome the input resistance to the nest group in parrallel.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 05, 2009, 12:48:21 AM
Mylow is in the process right now, of removing all his videos.
Looks like he left one behind for posterity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI
.99
fake or not...
I BackUp all the 41 videos. (Names: VIDEO #1 to #41) at...
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
cheers,
LightRider
Whether Mylows design is fake or not, its not the point here. Rigerous analysis and design work based on data is. What physic tells us today has a number of very flawed rules. Electrodynamics is one example of an area where the equations engineers use are approximations since portions of the complete equations are removed because they are considered inconsiquential. I'm sure most of you have used Ohms law which is one such equation.
While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven. There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite.
About two years ago I did an analysis of potentual technologies for power harvesting. I took a look at thermal, vibration, solar and a number of obscure technologies. One of the proposals that came out of that anlysis was to put ~50 million diodes on a single die to look at ambient thermal energy capture. While its based on sound science the cost benefits anlysis by our finance and marketing groups did not come out positive. I think it was short sited. This is very similar to what Paul keeps bringing up. While some of you have dismissed Pauls persistance it is being worked on by a number of academics. The company I work for is actually funding some of that research.
Where am I going with this? Whether Mylows stuff is fake or not, I've had good success with my experiments so far and I intend to continue down this path to see where it leads. Be data driven folks and learn to do design of experiments to move your investigations along faster with more concrete results that are repeatable. What science taught as impossible 50 years ago is now common place.
It looks like Mylow has taken down all but one of his videos.
I had saved down the one he posted last night, but not the one from this morning. Do one of you have it?
I've posted the one from last night here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3SP70OjZ1I
I went to the two locations we had listed for back-up files, but they don't have any of the recent videos.
Have any of you saved the more recent ones?
Would you mind fixing the broken links, redirecting them to your back-ups, at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Videos
By the way, there is an easy way to copy YouTube and other content for free.
Just go to http://zamzar.com/
It wouldn't hurt if a bunch of us had all these things backed up.
I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down. I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.
Sterling
Posted a new video just now .. which kind of speaks for itself . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0
i played a lot with this thing in the last week and i have many powerful neos which i used to try and enhance or effect the horseshoe's fields.
A week ago i thought .. ' well maybe there was something new in the Mylow motor ' but after playing with the arrays and the spin disk i think not. Any way .. you should judge for yourself i guess .. i ahev tried my best to get it to work, i tried all my magnets as stators today after completing the config 7-6 ..
i will probably play around with it a bit more .. if i find something interesting i'll post it ..
It was a learning experience in more ways than one ..
Hope you had fun too.
@Sterling .. you seem like a good guy to have on ones side.
Tip of the hat to you sir !
@ClaNZer .. you're ace dude
@everyone who helped me out ..
Merci ..
your efforts much appreciated ..
i would like to add a special thanks to my Lady who pitched in and helped me a lot in this replication attempt.
That was nice !
Cheers
Queue
;D My god, its full of .....
Good to see everyones spirits raised :P
Quote from: JRHall on April 05, 2009, 01:56:11 AM
Whether Mylows design is fake or not, its not the point here. Rigorous analysis and design work based on data is. What physic tells us today has a number of very flawed rules. Electrodynamics is one example of an area where the equations engineers use are approximations since portions of the complete equations are removed because they are considered inconsequential. I'm sure most of you have used Ohms law which is one such equation.
While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven. There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite.
About two years ago I did an analysis of potential technologies for power harvesting. I took a look at thermal, vibration, solar and a number of obscure technologies. One of the proposals that came out of that analysis was to put ~50 million diodes on a single die to look at ambient thermal energy capture. While its based on sound science the cost benefits analysis by our finance and marketing groups did not come out positive. I think it was short sited. This is very similar to what Paul keeps bringing up. While some of you have dismissed Paul's persistence it is being worked on by a number of academics. The company I work for is actually funding some of that research.
Where am I going with this? Whether Mylow's stuff is fake or not, I've had good success with my experiments so far and I intend to continue down this path to see where it leads. Be data driven folks and learn to do design of experiments to move your investigations along faster with more concrete results that are repeatable. What science taught as impossible 50 years ago is now common place.
Good for you Hall. I think the expression is, "You're the man" ;)
If anyone can succeed in replicating Mylow it's you in my opinion.
I echo this sentiment...
"While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven. There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite."
.........entirely.
I too am an engineer/scientist and empathise completely with your insights. I also know how incredibly difficult it is to bring other people along. One's explanations are never met with reasoned arguments but with a deafening silence.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 02:02:06 AM
I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down. I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.
Below is an email I received tonight from Mylow at 11:27 PM. I've edited the spelling, punctuation, and grammar. He was responding to an email I forwarded to him in which a radio station was asking for an interview.
His statement that "this is a fake", in my estimation, is not being spoken sincerely, but as a way of backing away from all the heat he's been subjected to by posting his videos and making his claims. He did not expect for it to be received so coolly by so many in the Free Energy community. In the very same breath he makes it clear that he believes these things are real, and that we will all see some day soon.
Here's his message:
Dear friend,
After great consideration I will not be involved in this type of work anymore, nor will I want to talk about it any more. I tried to be as much of a friend to all but got too overwhelmed; and considering what had happened, this wasn't meant to be. I will say that new technology is out there and in the form of simple minded people like me; but it has been down-played by the same people that call themselves free energy buffs.
No one would have stood for this type of treatment from fallow inventors.
I hope that everyone learns from my mistakes. Too bad that I didn't get the point across to all.
I am sorry but this was a fake, and I will no longer talk about it. I think that Howard had a secret, and that secret was a simple one. Please forgive me if I misled anyone in thinking that this can be made.
Not even a video can prove things like.
You have been a good friend to me and [Pmmtester] also. But things got out of hand, and you know what I mean.
I feel that the threat of negative comments will always kill free energy and all types of new ideas. That's why I feel this way.
Please understand. Wish me luck, for I will be getting in to bigger things from this on a private basis.
Open source is the best and always will be.
I will never give up, and magnetic motors will be a reality soon.
So my answer is no cant talk about it.
Please forgive me.
=== END OF MYLOW'S EMAIL ===
Quote from: queue on April 05, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Posted a new video just now .. which kind of speaks for itself . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0
Bcc to Mylow
Queue's set up is very close to yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0
He can't seem to get it to go.
Perhaps you might have some input for him?
At the end he gives a view of his stator magnet. I notice that it has "hips". I'm guessing that this is something to be avoided, and that straight legs or stretched legs are preferred.
I would recommend that he replace his stator magnet with the one I sent you, that you used in your latest video:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm - HS811N
Sterling
posted at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications#Queue
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 02:02:06 AM
I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down. I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.
Sterling
Much of what you call "dogpile treatment" and other such comments you have made towards overunity.com and it's members is pushing it a bit far IMO.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
To doubt and question is healthy and required.
And while a small fraction might be construed as bashing, most of the scepticism has been in line, and - still to this day over the centuries - warranted and accurate.
While the information/details presented by Mylow was interesting, the evidence was lacking to truly determine it's viability one way or the other.
Back on page 2 of this thread I expressed that this was a somewhat novel design and warranted further investigation.
But as the story has unfolded, the tale has progressively turned towards the negative IMO.
WHO REALLY BELIEVES MIB showed up at his house and stole his materials only to later return them? This portion of his story is enough to cast serious doubt on his other claims.
Then there is the resistance to have anyone examine his device, and the videos that somehow show just enough of this or that, but never the full story etc. etc.
The effort and assistance you have provided in this endevour and so many others deserves high praise. Thanks for what you do.
However, on this project, there have been many assumptions and opinions based on high expectations without the accompanying evidence.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 03:04:19 AM
Bcc to Mylow
Queue's set up is very close to yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0
He can't seem to get it to go.
Perhaps you might have some input for him?
At the end he gives a view of his stator magnet. I notice that it has "hips". I'm guessing that this is something to be avoided, and that straight legs or stretched legs are preferred.
I would recommend that he replace his stator magnet with the one I sent you, that you used in your latest video:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm - HS811N
Sterling
posted at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications#Queue
@Sterling
Although i did not film all of my play(8 hours) today.. only about ten minutes of it .. i did in fact try out each of the stators today that i have detailed on my page to try and get the disk working.
i also tried enhancing/strengthening some of my HS stators with several diferrent neo's i have about . .
i did not see anything even remotely like Mylow's video manifest itself on my disk.
The stator magnet you see in my video today has 8 pound pull - you may have also noticed that i added two small shiny n50 neos to each hip to help strengthen it's field.
Stators here
http://OverUnity.ca/Mylow
Cheers
Q
@capthook,
While all the rest you say is obvious and reasonable this commonly uttered mantra isn’t:
QuoteExtraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Claims in science are subject to uniform sets of criteria for truthfulness. There are no ordinary and extraordinary claims as far as science is concerned. True science is emotionless.
In the present case, as in any technical claim of such character (claim for a functioning motor) all that is needed is independent verification by independent parties. That’s all and that’s not too much to ask. There is nothing extraordinary let alone anything having to do with “dogpile treatment†in such asking. The fact that someone like Mylow may perceive it as the latter, and his understanding that we should only take uncritically his word for it, is only at Mylow’s expense and has no bearing on the search for the truth. People can be misguided about various things but that doesn’t mean that their confusion and sense of hurt feelings when exposed should set a standard for what is and what isn’t required as proof in science and should restrain others from being critical.
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 03:12:41 AM
Much of what you call "dogpile treatment" and other such comments you have made towards overunity.com and it's members is pushing it a bit far IMO.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
To doubt and question is healthy and required.
And while a small fraction might be construed as bashing, most of the scepticism has been in line, and - still to this day over the centuries - warranted and accurate.
While the information/details presented by Mylow was interesting, the evidence was lacking to truly determine it's viability one way or the other.
Back on page 2 of this thread I expressed that this was a somewhat novel design and warranted further investigation.
But as the story has unfolded, the tale has progressively turned towards the negative IMO.
WHO REALLY BELIEVES MIB showed up at his house and stole his materials only to later return them? This portion of his story is enough to cast serious doubt on his other claims.
Then there is the resistance to have anyone examine his device, and the videos that somehow show just enough of this or that, but never the full story etc. etc.
The effort and assistance you have provided in this endevour and so many others deserves high praise. Thanks for what you do.
However, on this project, there have been many assumptions and opinions based on high expectations without the accompanying evidence.
He didn't say MIB's showed up, he said a tough guy accompanied his lawyer and threatened him, took his shit, then returned it. Something obviously happened, his entire demeanor changed.
Quote from: maw2432 on April 04, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
@ nyctuber
No positive results yet. I get the same effects others are getting. It moves pretty good until I fill the entire wheel. I have tried lots of differnt spacing.
Perhaps Mylow lives on some Earth's magnetic or gravitational anomaly, hence his device and its replications would work only there and nowhere else (assuming it's not a hoax). Send your device to Mylow (by Sterling if directly not possible), and then you would know.
Last message from Mylow, "i am not giveing up on a larger motor .the secrete is in the photos. "
Just in case anyone forgot, in only video he left on YouTube, he discusses how the photo showing HJ with his 'stonehenge' model and railcar show something DIFFERENT than the patents. The patents do not show the channel-type magnets.
@Sterling
I am a bit confused about who is the victim here.
Is it all the people here that have spent cumulatively about a man year discussing what is now by Mylow's own words said to be false?
Or are you Sterling saying,
"do not listen to what Mylow said because he is being forced to say such things?"
Phil H
Quote from: HiggsField on April 05, 2009, 03:59:46 AM
Mylow has removed his videos as previously posted by Sterling. They have all been backed up however, and he can not
I can't find backup of his last video with the new stator.
Well, I guess with only ONE Stator magnet you will probably never get it to work.
You need probably always at least 2 or 3 stator magnets out of "positional phase" to overcome
the sticky point that exists for only 1 stator magnet.
So if you have the first stator magnet in a sticky spot you need to have the
second stator magnet in an attracting spot, so it pulls the other location over the sticky spot out...
Only this way I can think logically it might work.
Regards, Stefan.
I've done this many times and it has never worked for me.
It like using another credit card to pay off the first.
Norman
Quote from: dragon on April 05, 2009, 06:15:52 AM
I can't find backup of his last video with the new stator.
Deleted videos are all BackUp here at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
Latest videos are the following (including the one with the new stator):
(VIDEO #41b) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
(VIDEO #41a) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlCE01pYDpE
(VIDEO #40) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2VX89gJcbU
(VIDEO #39) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OjZgdj_l0
(VIDEO #38) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKzPtoep1fc
...
so on...
cheers,
LightRider
Something for the conspiracy guys amonst us.
For the sake of one customer FBI raided a Dallas internet service provider early thursday morning.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/162584/fbi_raids_dallas_internet_service_provider_core_ip.html
And remember
Mylow's lawyer brought an unidentified, intimidating man with him Thursday night, taking his motor, all his papers, leaving him with a note of warning -- only to return the items this morning
might be a bit of a stretch mylow of chicago and a dallas internet provider. ;D
Wonder why mylow suddenly felt like he needed a lawyer in the first place.
Stefan, you may remove the shouting banner :24.3.2009 Free Energy News : Youtube user MYLOW121363 shows selfrunning permanent magnet motor !
If you check out the last video ,it now has what looks like a coil that sets back a good distance from the magnets. Something wrong with that picture!
Quote from: LightRider on April 05, 2009, 01:36:59 AM
fake or not...
I BackUp all the 41 videos. (Names: VIDEO #1 to #41) at...
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
cheers,
LightRider
Your link should be on PESWIKI (there are others, which are incomplete: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Back-up_.2F_Mirrors )
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 03:12:41 AM
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
says who? is this a law? part of the constitution?
NO it is not. it is something some dogmatic fool came up with and the rest of the sycophants chant with zealous abandon...
edit just read omni's eloquent response, bravo omnibus.
Hi Gang,
Its all water under the bridge. For those still working on this, the basic problem is that no matter how many or how few magnets you line up opposite the stator, There is a overall slowing effect due to field interactions between the two elements plus normal mechanical losses.
Lets assume that when we place the rotor magnets into the Stator field we preload it with 10 "widgets" of energy. The rotor starts to turn. It might be bumpy, it might be choppy, it might increase/decrease in speed during the event/s but the net results of energy gain are zero when the loop is closed and the wheel starts to move. The losses from the field interactions between the rotor/stator clusters and the stator/s, friction, aerodynamic losses, etc. all take a little of the pre-loaded energy out of the wheel. After 1-10-100 revolutions, based on many variables, we will have a few less widgets of energy in the wheel and due to this, it will continue to slow till finally it will not enter the next cluster. (repulsion) This is because the pre-loaded energy level has dropped to the point where inertia of the wheel is overcome by this repulsion effect at the entrance point and the wheel stops. It is as simple as that.
IF the magnetic motor is ever going to run, the rotor/stator assembly must be self starting (I think MYLOW realized this very early on and it bedeviled him to the end) with no starting energy put into the system at this point. IT must suck the rotor in and kick the rotor out. PERIOD. To repeat, the rotor must suck into the stator field with ZERO energy (at ZERO RPM) in the wheel and then push out with more energy input to the wheel than total generated losses in the system. Anything else is a flywheel with all its losses as noted above.
Water under the bridge....I'm done.
Ben
I am reminded of the old saw: "It's all over except the shouting" ;) . But that's not correct either, since we still have Replicators out there who are hopefully not letting current events and others' opinions stop them from furthering the cause of Science... As they really are doing here no matter what their results show in the end.
30 years is way too long to wait to get any answers regarding Howard Johnson's work!
So we are left with the following possibilities for the ending to this saga (imo):
I. "MYLOW Faked It".
I. A. He really doesn't "exist" in the normal sense and was part of a clever, long term disinfo scam to discredit F-E,
Open Source, and Sterling Allen in particular, who is a high-profile target (perpetrated by agents unknown).
This episode can then be later used to discredit all claims in the future (correct or not), and most importantly,
put a "chill" on the F-E & O.S. movement to slow future Open Source research altogether.
I. B. He is a "real person" who did this independently to either gain attention for himself, or HJ magnet motors (lol
although one must wonder how scamming could help such a cause very much).
I. C. He is "real" and independent but was deluded with his results, and justified his scam by thinking he or a
Replicator who was inspired by his videos would eventually get it to work (in this case, it is an argument for
why these replication attempts should not be abandoned yet; because they may still bear fruit... Possibly in
very unexpected ways).
I. D. Another reason not listed yet.
II. "MYLOW did not fake it".
II. A. Everything is as claimed; up until the time he declared it a fake (presumably because of the pressure he was
under and mentally unprepared for, and decided to emulate what Mr. Al Witherspoon said Howard Johnson
did in his recent interview with Sterling Allen on Peswiki radio (... Mr. Witherspoon stated HJ just allowed his
claims to be debunked without reply on purpose, for some unstated specific reason).
II. B. MYLOW was directly and illegally pressured by outside forces to stop research (...more than he stated even),
and close down interest by "agents unknown"... Which he then did by making a deliberately less than
satisfactory last video, and then finally making the "fake" You-Tube statement and private messages (thus
making an error by revealing his I.P. Address).
II. C. The device and tests were "real" but his later claims of suppressions were not. When he realized he made a
mistake and had compromised his integrity with the paranoid "MIB"-type comments, he stopped the project.
II. D. Another yet unknown reason.
Things in life are not always "Black and White": My experience is they usually come in 256 shades of gray ;)
Quote from: dragon on April 05, 2009, 08:26:08 AM
Your link should be on PESWIKI (there are others, which are incomplete: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Back-up_.2F_Mirrors )
This backup location has been added to PESWIKI page.
Thanks
Quote from: dragon on April 05, 2009, 05:49:18 AM
Perhaps Mylow lives on some Earth's magnetic or gravitational anomaly, hence his device and its replications would work only there and nowhere else (assuming it's not a hoax). Send your device to Mylow (by Sterling if directly not possible), and then you would know.
All we lives close to magnetic anomaly see
Curry-grid :
http://abeiez-tachyon.com/en/fs.htm?erd4.htm
Hartmann-grid:
http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/14%20Unhealthy%20Earth%20Energies,%20The%20Hartmann%20Net%20and%20Curry%20Gri.html
with ortogonal magnet configuration my be there is an "Hamel" effect like this:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf
Quote from: wings on April 05, 2009, 10:25:36 AM
All we lives close to magnetic anomaly see
Curry-grid :
http://abeiez-tachyon.com/en/fs.htm?erd4.htm
Hartmann-grid:
http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/14%20Unhealthy%20Earth%20Energies,%20The%20Hartmann%20Net%20and%20Curry%20Gri.html
with ortogonal magnet configuration my be there is an "Hamel" effect like this:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf
Perhaps Mylow lives close to, or in the very same Chicago apartment where the GE color TV exploded in the mid sixties. This was the event SM's boss investigated, and led to eventual development of the TPU. That may explain a local magnetic anomaly assisting the wheel.
RD
Quote from: jibbguy on April 05, 2009, 09:40:22 AM
I am reminded of the old saw: "It's all over except the shouting" ;) . But that's not correct either, since we still have Replicators out there who are hopefully not letting current events and others' opinions stop them from furthering the cause of Science... As they really are doing here no matter what their results show in the end.
30 years is way too long to wait to get any answers regarding Howard Johnson's work!
So we are left with the following possibilities for the ending to this saga (imo):
I. "MYLOW Faked It".
I. A. He really doesn't "exist" in the normal sense and was part of a clever, long term disinfo scam to discredit F-E,
Open Source, and Sterling Allen in particular, who is a high-profile target (perpetrated by agents unknown).
This episode can then be later used to discredit all claims in the future (correct or not), and most importantly,
put a "chill" on the F-E & O.S. movement to slow future Open Source research altogether.
I. B. He is a "real person" who did this independently to either gain attention for himself, or HJ magnet motors (lol
although one must wonder how scamming could help such a cause very much).
I. C. He is "real" and independent but was deluded with his results, and justified his scam by thinking he or a
Replicator who was inspired by his videos would eventually get it to work (in this case, it is an argument for
why these replication attempts should not be abandoned yet; because they may still bear fruit... Possibly in
very unexpected ways).
I. D. Another reason not listed yet.
II. "MYLOW did not fake it".
II. A. Everything is as claimed; up until the time he declared it a fake (presumably because of the pressure he was
under and mentally unprepared for, and decided to emulate what Mr. Al Witherspoon said Howard Johnson
did in his recent interview with Sterling Allen on Peswiki radio (... Mr. Witherspoon stated HJ just allowed his
claims to be debunked without reply on purpose, for some unstated specific reason).
II. B. MYLOW was directly and illegally pressured by outside forces to stop research (...more than he stated even),
and close down interest by "agents unknown"... Which he then did by making a deliberately less than
satisfactory last video, and then finally making the "fake" You-Tube statement and private messages (thus
making an error by revealing his I.P. Address).
II. C. The device and tests were "real" but his later claims of suppressions were not. When he realized he made a
mistake and had compromised his integrity with the paranoid "MIB"-type comments, he stopped the project.
II. D. Another yet unknown reason.
Things in life are not always "Black and White": My experience is they usually come in 256 shades of gray ;)
That's a very good summary of the possibilities. Well done. I go for:
B. MYLOW was directly and illegally pressured by outside forces to stop research (...more than he stated even),
and close down interest by "agents unknown"...
I know it has been said already BUT a picture is worth a 1000 words:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=rW14umBA1sQ
I don't know why people are getting upset. Even if mylow is faking, it is a good lesson to people not to believe in OU based on little or no evidence.
Look at Alsetalokin's 'whipmag'. Al faked it and got people to spend a lot of time and money on it, and he is still a well-respected member of the Steorn forum and the fizzx.com forum.
There are even people still trying to replicate his fake OU machine. He is more articulate than mylow, but that's about the only difference.
So give mylow a break: thank him for teaching us not to get too enthusiastic about extraordinary claims without more evidence than he supplied.
Long post - it's Sunday so let's relax.
@LightRider
We will dub you "Mr. Back-up". Good work.
@k4zep
Regarding your post here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168436#msg168436
About the rotor pull, I know about all the finer aspects of magnet verification but you could not expect anything more from Mylow then just lift some metal and weight it. If he came back and said I have a batch of iron washers and can only lift 1/2 pound, that means one thing, but if he says I am using iron washers and have lifted 10 pounds, that is a totally different thing. Now if we knew the approximate washer specs, then builders can simply do the same test with their rotor and at least have a rough idea on where they are placed on a scale from 1 to 14 where 7 would be considered a Mylow rotor. Just like a pH scale.
@0c
Hey, I'm new at this moderator stuff. Plus I need time to play with my projects.
@Grimer
I removed the last sentence of your post located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168554#msg168554
Sorry but members should refrain from such statements.
@all
Like I said, you see something and if it does not meet your own criteria then the fault has to be the device or the person. You cannot accept the fact that the magnets know more then you do about magnetism. lol
I'll explain again.
Is Mylows device arranged in a perfectly symmetric design. No.
Does constant speed denote a form of symmetry. Yes.
So how can you expect something that is not symmetric to have a symmetric or constant speed. lol
Do you guys know what is going on between those magnets? No.
If you don't know what is going on between those magnets, how can you purport that what is going on is not real. You can always have concerns, but you can not say it is not real.
This is the deal. Such a system will work only when all the conditions for it to work are readily available around the effect required. It is not far from impossible to consider that the ideal condition lies between 100 or 500 non ideal conditions even when all the right components are in the vicinity of the effect. (That is where I suspect most go wrong and give up not realizing they may be but millimeters away from success.) It is also possible that the ideal condition once found will also be in a fine tuned range of more or less favorable nuances that will make the wheel turn but in a different overall cadence.
All matter, including fields need time to interact. As the speed increases this decreases the interact time that slows the speed and as the speed slows down, this increases the interact time that increases speed. When the interact time is both perfect and constant, then one would expect constant speed. Mylow can rebuild his wheel but it does not mean it will turn the same way. Why should it if all the components are not in their exact same position????????
Last point on magnets. Just because you have 55 identical magnets, it does not mean you have the same flux on each magnet and it does not mean they all have identical directionality even if one side is north and the other side is south. Some poles could lean more to the back or the front of the magnet hence off center and this could change things when you have a linear set of magnets and you are riding on the outer fields. I found that out checking 120 neo magnets on my wheel. Some are just totally out of whack so this may be expected with all types of magnets when working with a good quantity. All productions will have duds and each magnet should be verified for their field length. One way to do this is place the compass the furthest away that the magnet can effect its north/south point. Then keep the compass there and place an X at the magnet location. Then place the next magnet on the X and check it and so on. With two compasses you can check the shorter horizontal then place the magnet on its side to check the vertical field. It is tedious work but wasting time with a dud magnet is even more tedious. I think someone should ask a magnet manufacturer what the percentage of bad magnets is out of 1000.
So actually, if a working Mylow wheel is taken apart, to make it work again all the pieces would have to go back to where they were, each magnet would have to be numbered, each position scribed before removal to then put Humpty Dumpty, oh sorry wrong subject, a Mylow Wheel back together again. lol
What most guys on this board try to do before shouting fake, fake, is ask the questions, do the work, learn the territory and "hopefully" our efforts will produce the desired outcome. My experience with OU endeavors (as with many other members) has given me (I find at least) a good grasp on most aspects of the OU activity, enough to make my own clarified decision on if I should partake or not in a project. We do nto need anyone nagging us that we are wasting our time. because regardless if we are successful or not, WE NEVER LOSE BECAUSE WE LEARN ALL THE WAY, so who cares. Something we learn here may be used in a totally different device and make that one work. I always wanted to have such a wheel to play with anyways. Magnets, coils, the possibilities are endless. I have a few posted drawings on some wheels that I can now tests. So no, this project is not dead, far from it and I'll see you builders on the other thread and keep this one to shoot the breeze.
Right on Wattsup, a very thoughtful post. This has been and will continue to be a learning experience for all!
Hubba Hubba!
Ben
interesting claim indeed ...
When will people join in and help improve designs of homemade solar and wind power and drive down the price of power production once and for all...
I am starting to believe that this free energy movement is smoke to prevent folks from working together to develop cheaper wind and solar solutions then currently available ....
Take care solar and wind are proven tech join in ...
Is it possible mylow is fed up or caught up with the feds yes it is very possible that is why he dismisses his claims if you take away the whole push for green power to "create jobs" you screw up the whole plan! Residual income and payed positions. Should replication continue yep in the event that this is the case only for people who have already spent cash on there mags.
WIND
SOLAR
There are forms dedicated to this tech and they are proven do you want cheap power or no electric bill we can start here untill someone makes the quantum leap so to speak in free energy tech.
An open email to Al Witherspoon:
Quote
Hi Al:
The information you provided about Howard is wonderful. He
was truely a decent human being. After watching the Cheniere
interview and looking over all the material I could over the
last several years I think Howard was suppressed and his
documents were obfuscated.
A few days ago I posted this entry in the one of the Mylow threads
at the Overunity forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg167550#msg167550
In this post I asked if anyone knew where the data went that
Howard and Steve Davis mapped out with their sensors and if anyone
had access to the specifications of that hardware setup.
This was probably not the most productive venue to ask these
questions. But I think this data could be used to create computer
models based on Howard's findings and may aid researchers to
narrow down on working devices.
Any information on this will be greatly appreciated and thanks
again for your participation.
Respectfully
Kurt Knappen
Take care.
nap
Hmm from what I have seen in the replications, is a bumpy ride in and out of the gates. Do not see such in Mylows vids.
Now such could be that one of the magnets is reversed at the gate entrance, yet such bouncy wold still show. Hmm this has been the problem with this from the beginning. The rotation of the wheel is to smooth.
Any one getting smooth rotation around to the last gate??
Hi, Let's focus, and stay "OPEN-MINDED" ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI)
great video.
Quote from: Tracker on April 05, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
Hi, Let's focus, and stay "OPEN-MINDED" ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI)
@Infringer
There are many excellent sites for learning and talking about conventional alternative energy technologies (such as Wind and Solar). Those who are interested in this subject should explore them, as we can learn a lot from them generally.
These two genres do not have to be in "competition"; but should, and eventually will imo, cooperate closely... Someday we may need the expertise, business contacts, and professional tradesmen licenses of those who have experience doing off-/on grid installations.. And we can perhaps work in partnership or consultation with them to further our own small local businesses installing free energy devices in homes and vehicles ;)
If people want to spend a little money on magnets with the aim of helping to expand our pathetically-small amount of knowledge on the subject of "magnetism", they should... And they will do so despite some here trying to convince them not to. The mags can be reused in many projects; possibly such as a "Minato Pulsed Motor" replication (the free energy device that is reported to have sold 40,000 units commercially in Japan 5 years ago).
Precisely pulsing a control coil to get the rotor by the "sticky spot", and still gaining great energy efficiencies has worked for many designs; going back to Adams and before. This is still mainly using magnets for motive force; as the power needed to pulse the control coils is relatively low compared to the total torque output (... And when the CEMF "collapse V" is recovered from the coils, probably even lower ;) ). But i digress...
The idea that the Free Energy and Open Source movements are being used as "smoke" to hobble alternative energy is incorrect. No additional GRANT FUNDS or UNIVERSITY STUDIES are being "stolen" from conventional alternative energy research to go for Free Energy research, lol..... So until that day comes, i wouldn't worry about it ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM
I've added annotations throughout.
Our PESN story has received nearly 16,000 visits, being picked up around the web, including at Rense.com
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/
Nothing quite like suppression to evoke the Hydra effect. Let those replications start rolling in!
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
The version posted there is the most recent.
Inasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PMInasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
The above quote from Sterling is posted here for future reference. The above quote indicates someone will at some point in the future attempt to make money from the mylow case.
PL
Sterlinga
have you seen this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7150.0 [From the Netherlands]
Chet
Any new information on this stuf, you are seting up to get payed for??
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM
I've added annotations throughout.
Our PESN story has received nearly 16,000 visits, being picked up around the web, including at Rense.com
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/
Nothing quite like suppression to evoke the Hydra effect. Let those replications start rolling in!
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
The version posted there is the most recent.
Inasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
STERLINGA
When you have a set of plans for a working device
SOLD!!
Chet
PS have you seen this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7150.0 [From the Netherlands]
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM
I've added annotations throughout.
Our PESN story has received nearly 16,000 visits, being picked up around the web, including at Rense.com
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/
Nothing quite like suppression to evoke the Hydra effect. Let those replications start rolling in!
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
The version posted there is the most recent.
Inasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
Hi Sterlng ..
If the plans are currently free .. could you please send me a copy of the plans via email as i prefer not to give out my credit card info .
Perhaps you could post the plans here for this community to review until you decide to activate your billing process.
i had asked for some measurements from you or Mylow at one point during my last build.
Specifically... the spacing between the rotor mags in his last video.
This would be very helpful as a design metric for replicators.
If you really want to see an independent working replication then providing the plans to this community would be a big step towards that goal.
Best Regards
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 05, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
Hi Sterlng ..
If the plans are currently free .. could you please send me a copy of the plans via email as i prefer not to give out my credit card info .
Perhaps you could post the plans here for this community to review until you decide to activate your billing process.
Queue
Check the posts over at the Dark Side mate
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 05, 2009, 01:37:16 PM
not to. The mags can be reused in many projects; possibly such as a "Minato Pulsed Motor" replication (the free energy device that is reported to have sold 40,000 units commercially in Japan 5 years ago).
BTW, is it true that Minato was murdered?
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM
I've added annotations throughout.
Our PESN story has received nearly 16,000 visits, being picked up around the web, including at Rense.com
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/
Nothing quite like suppression to evoke the Hydra effect. Let those replications start rolling in!
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
The version posted there is the most recent.
Inasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
Hi Allan,
So is this an open source project? Once someone asks for $$$ in order to source the info, is it still open source?
And once a "compensation" enters the equation of this "open source", what then is the limit of that compensation for a working device? 1$, 1000$, a billion? a trillion?
Inquiring minds may wand to know. ;)
All the best
Mike
You see people the voice recorded feature that most mobile phones have can be pretty handy in these situations. When some MIB's show up switch it on and put it in your pocket and you'll have at least a shroud of evidence when trying to fight these crooks. A camera feature can also be handy but I doubt they'll let you take pictures of them.
Regarding Mr. Minato, i've found nothing at all to support that; and the last reports i had of him are from 2 years ago.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM
I've added annotations throughout.
Our PESN story has received nearly 16,000 visits, being picked up around the web, including at Rense.com
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/
Nothing quite like suppression to evoke the Hydra effect. Let those replications start rolling in!
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
The version posted there is the most recent.
Inasmuch as the ClickBank account isn't yet activated for this product, you can access the file for free right now. The credit card info step doesn't actually bill your card as noted in the memo.
The video you speak of says the 'stator' magnet gets a dozen or more degrees below ambient?, Please. Makes no difference if 'F or 'C are involved you have a magnet of some unknown heat capacity, mounted on the Al tubing via some method with the heat capacity of the tubing and then a non specified ambient temp. To get a dozen degrees drop would be next to impossible in the construction of this device.
Maybe some simple calculations should be done by the believers;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
Newton's law of cooling
would be a good basic place to understand silliness of this statement.
Quote from: DrStiffler on April 05, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
The video you speak of says the 'stator' magnet gets a dozen or more degrees below ambient?, Please. Makes no difference if 'F or 'C are involved you have a magnet of some unknown heat capacity, mounted on the Al tubing via some method with the heat capacity of the tubing and then a non specified ambient temp. To get a dozen degrees drop would be next to impossible in the construction of this device.
Maybe some simple calculations should be done by the believers;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
Newton's law of cooling
would be a good basic place to understand silliness of this statement.
Few days ago I thought about doing the calculations, but decided not to because it's not worth it. FEMM, free software, comes with a package capable of doing it if you're interested. Anyhow, my conclusion was the same as yours. The flow of thermal energy from the temp gradient would most likely far exceed the friction of mylow's rotating machine.
PL
Quote from: broli on April 05, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
You see people the voice recorded feature that most mobile phones have can be pretty handy in these situations. When some MIB's show up switch it on and put it in your pocket and you'll have at least a shroud of evidence when trying to fight these crooks. A camera feature can also be handy but I doubt they'll let you take pictures of them.
Broli:
There is one problem with your suggestion. As in Mylow's case, he is in IL and that is against the law to do so. That would be a serious offense and could easily lead to jail time and other major legal problems he does not need. There are 12 states that require both/all parties knowledge and consent to being recorded and IL is one of them. The majority of states only require 1 party (which can be you) to consent.
This is just advice for folks to check out the law of their state before possibly committing a very serious crime that can bring serious jail time along with it. There are many places to check your state's laws on the net. Here is but one of them:
http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.recordlaw.html
Since I deal with this every day in my business, I just wanted to caution folks to check their laws before recoding anyone.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 05, 2009, 03:22:41 PM
There is one problem with your suggestion. As in Mylow's case, he is in IL and that is against the law to do so. That would be a serious offense and could easily lead to jail time and other major legal problems he does not need. There are 12 states that require both/all parties knowledge and consent to being recorded and IL is one of them. The majority of states only require 1 party (which can be you) to consent.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. That's a shame. What about the images stored in a persons brain? ;)
PL
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 05, 2009, 03:22:41 PM
Since I deal with this every day in my business, I just wanted to caution folks to check their laws before recoding anyone.
Bill
This deals with recording PHONE calls ONLY, not recording live/in-person stuff.
Quote from: DrStiffler on April 05, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
The video you speak of says the 'stator' magnet gets a dozen or more degrees below ambient?, Please. Makes no difference if 'F or 'C are involved you have a magnet of some unknown heat capacity, mounted on the Al tubing via some method with the heat capacity of the tubing and then a non specified ambient temp. To get a dozen degrees drop would be next to impossible in the construction of this device.
Maybe some simple calculations should be done by the believers;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
Newton's law of cooling
would be a good basic place to understand silliness of this statement.
True, this "cooling of a stator magnet" claim was really ... ****... silly.. >:(
Where did MyLow heard about this stuff? As I understand, he was using an iron magnet (where, for instance, eddy current heating is much much greater effect than a domain relaxation cooling is...).
I'd say the magnets don't get warmer, either...
Magnetocaloric effect is considered one of a possible ways for future cooling techniques, although it's usefulness is still very poor and limited...
When this "perpetual motor" gets replicated, someone could try chilling a beer can placed next to the stator magnet... If it gets colder for 15 degrees, I would like to make one for myself, too....
That is, If the building plans would not be too expensive or complicated...
Cheers!
What happened to Open Source Sterling???
I think its disgusting that you are attempting to make money out of this, make it a free download!!
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
This deals with recording PHONE calls ONLY, not recording live/in-person stuff.
The info on that site deals with recording phone calls BUT, read the actual laws of the states that are 2 party, they specifically refer to recording of conversations which would include phone calls (you are correct) AND any other conversations such as in person conversations. Even the eavesdropping and wiretapping laws can apply to in person recorded conversations. I am not an attorney and therefore do not give legal advice. The laws are easy to look up for one's own states and I was only suggesting folks be a little familiar with their laws in their states before committing a possible crime. I record a lot of in-person interviews and the lawyers that hire me make sure I am aware of the laws prior to proceeding with the case. I have recorded several folks covertly (in person) without their knowledge as it is legal (as I have been told by many attorney clients) to do so. It all boils down to if a person has a "reasonable expectation of privacy". If two folks are talking loudly in a crowded mall (2 party state) and you record them, you are probably ok as they should not expect others to over hear them. Anyway, the real info is out there, I just wanted to raise the issue to protect my fellow experimenters and did not intend to get this far off-topic.
@ Paul:
If it is in your brain, I suppose there is not much anyone can do about it.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 05, 2009, 03:22:41 PM
Broli:
There is one problem with your suggestion. As in Mylow's case, he is in IL and that is against the law to do so. That would be a serious offense and could easily lead to jail time and other major legal problems he does not need. There are 12 states that require both/all parties knowledge and consent to being recorded and IL is one of them. The majority of states only require 1 party (which can be you) to consent.
This is just advice for folks to check out the law of their state before possibly committing a very serious crime that can bring serious jail time along with it. There are many places to check your state's laws on the net. Here is but one of them:
http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.recordlaw.html
Since I deal with this every day in my business, I just wanted to caution folks to check their laws before recoding anyone.
Bill
Federal Law (CFR) Code of federal regulations. Key word "CODE" (Not Law)
Only applies to Federal territories.
The states are not federal territories.
The only LAW I understand is Common Law. Can't have both.
I'll record anyone anytime I please. But I've never had a need to.
Sovereign American
Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.
Get a t shirt and signs saying your are under video and audio surveillance. Put the sign at the entrance to your door. Were the t shirt. In most states you have given fair warning, and well if they talk after that.... Again as stated check your local laws. Best to check federal laws also.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 05, 2009, 04:06:53 PM
The info on that site deals with recording phone calls BUT, read the actual laws of the states that are 2 party, they specifically refer to recording of conversations which would include phone calls (you are correct) AND any other conversations such as in person conversations. Even the eavesdropping and wiretapping laws can apply to in person recorded conversations. I am not an attorney and therefore do not give legal advice. The laws are easy to look up for one's own states and I was only suggesting folks be a little familiar with their laws in their states before committing a possible crime. I record a lot of in-person interviews and the lawyers that hire me make sure I am aware of the laws prior to proceeding with the case. I have recorded several folks covertly (in person) without their knowledge as it is legal (as I have been told by many attorney clients) to do so. It all boils down to if a person has a "reasonable expectation of privacy". If two folks are talking loudly in a crowded mall (2 party state) and you record them, you are probably ok as they should not expect others to over hear them. Anyway, the real info is out there, I just wanted to raise the issue to protect my fellow experimenters and did not intend to get this far off-topic.
@ Paul:
If it is in your brain, I suppose there is not much anyone can do about it.
Bill
Quote from: wattsup on April 05, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.
There's no way that will explain it. I believe he said the room temp was 68F, and the stator PM was 55F. That's a huge temp gradient. How could you explain that? Maybe if the metal bar had dry ice placed on it.
PL
To ALL,
I did send José (Mylow) 2 emails, after he announced in a comment section
of his last video, that it was a fake.
Here you can see his replies.
=====
Re: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?
JOSE
to Stefan:
dear friend you are right wanted to create more research into the
Howard Johnson technology...
----- Original Message ----
From: Stefan Hartmann <hartiberlin@gmx.de>
To: JOSE <m.....@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 6:05:28 PM
Subject: Re: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?
Well Jose,
I would suggest to come clear and post with your M....
account at overunity.com
at least some kind of excuse, just say,
you wanted to create more research into the
Howard Johnson technology...
This would be the best fair thing to do I guess .
Do you agree ?
Regards, Stefan.
JOSE wrote:
> yes it was intertianing wasnt it so.well its a fake cant talk about it.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stefan Hartmann <hartiberlin@gmx.de>
> To: m......@yahoo.com; m......@comcast.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 5:53:02 PM
> Subject: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?
>
> Hi Jose ( Mylow ),
> will you finally come clear ?
>
> Please read this:
>
> http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168394#msg168394
>
> Many thanks for the entertaining past weeks
> with your "magnet motor research"
>
> Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: wattsup on April 05, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.
If you think about the heat transfers in different materials, heat sink can draw/emit heat as long as there's heat difference.
Blowing air at the stator magnet would not make him colder than surroundings..
Cooling of that magnet was simply a .... made by Mr. MyLow.
Cheers!
hartiberlin
What would you expect him to say?
The method he has used will leave the question of was it real, or was it fake for a long time. Hell he may have turned himself into a legend.
Hi Clanzer and to all builders,
if you try further with your setup,
I would recommend using and playing with iron core pieces on the rotor magnets and on the stator magnets, as in my experience from my old Howard Johnson trials I did 20 years ago,
only something with 90 degrees iron core pieces might work.
Have again a look into this early TOMI setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mYm5nO5Fw
Okay, this was not the Howard Johnson setup but later,
when we discovered 90 degrees iron core pieces, which
guide the flux asymmetrically away from the sticking points...
Also the right thickness of an iron core has some kind of magnetic
viscosity buffering the flux, so just magnets on magnets alone
will probably never work, if you don´t use pure iron magnets...
Too bad, I never had the time to finish this work and was sidetracked..
Regards, Stefan.
Is this next? Pinestone, on the steorn forum just said:
Quote
Let me clarify my statements for the paranoid trolls:
My bro-in-law makes hydrogen. He's generating it with simple electrolysis. He uses a 12 volt motorcycle battery to power the conversion. His nearest neighbor is about 1/2 mile away. He's not using it to power his home.
He charges his batteries with a dc pulse obtained from a diode/coil pickup mounted near a spinning disk with magnets mounted around its' circumference.
That's all I claim or will say about this topic. I regret saying anything at all.
Although he regrets letting the cat out of the bag, he might change his mind if asked and get the forum connected. Worth attempting?
@ Stefan and all:
Here is a youtube vid. of a guy that claims to have solved magnetic shielding and created a monoplole:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncViWzp-Jc&feature=email
He has not revealed his method yet but says he will soon. I don't know if there is anything to this or not but, if it is real and IF it really works, then this might make some of our earlier attempts more possible.
Bill
Quote from: canam101 on April 05, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
Is this next? Pinestone, on the steorn forum just said:
Although he regrets letting the cat out of the bag, he might change his mind if asked and get the forum connected. Worth attempting?
Well, only time and successful replications will allow us to know whether Mylow did what he had to do to escape these incessant attacks from the know it all and 'brainy' people the likes of PL etc. Wait and see... and then perhaps some people may think they're only perceived to be smart looking at the mirror!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 05, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
@ Stefan and all:
Here is a youtube vid. of a guy that claims to have solved magnetic shielding and created a monoplole:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncViWzp-Jc&feature=email
He has not revealed his method yet but says he will soon. I don't know if there is anything to this or not but, if it is real and IF it really works, then this might make some of our earlier attempts more possible.
Bill
HI Bill
Looks interesting can you or Stefan invite him on ?
keep up the Greta work on the Jule thief thread
cat
posted with slight editing (for punctuation) at
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/#JohnBedini_on_MylowSaga
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bedini
To: sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: PES Network, Inc., CEO contact
Sterling,
I don't talk very much about different things. But I feel that I must say this to you. Mylow should have started a group long ago and had all the skeptics goof everything up like they did the SG, some times it's better to take that kick in the pants and not say anything to anybody about your sad moments.
I know you have built magnetic motors which did not work, you claimed the SG did not work but so what, as others did get it to work and are very happy. The mistake with Mylow is he did not have any protection because he did not have enough failures in the public groups like I did.
I now sit back and thank you for all the public attacking of my machine with all the negative comments, people only half to look at that group to see the bashing that has gone on with a simple invention.
As Mylow found out changing things only causes failure and it is reported that way, that is protection and "THEY" do not come looking then.
If you remember their are DVD's on Howard Johnson, books and associated articles. Anybody can make this work at a very limited level, no power and low speed, a real true magnet motor has a speed of 5000 RPM's and "THEY" will take that from you and you will never talk again about it.
Mylow's machine does prove over unity of >1 but you could not take any power from that. What I see is that the only hope that people have at this time because of mind blocks in physics is solar panels, wind machines, water power, and combustion. We have not even got out of the dark ages in the way we think. We are all brainwashed into thinking physics is just one way only, what a mistake. What would happen if all the power systems would fail today what would you do?
What is free energy since nothing is free out there, it cost for everything and you must pay for it with phony money you work hard for.
Mylow is lucky as MIB's do not take things from you and then bring them back you get two choices in life, MONEY or DEATH, this was not the secret people in black taking things away because you never talk again about it, Mylow is now branded as a quack, just like Howard Johnson. I did follow his progress and only to see all the skeptics appear and try to build his vision of Howard Johnson's motor, they changed it so now it does not work, that is next attack.
The magnets are very easy to make no big deal as regular horseshoe magnet work the same, it's just a spacing difference but must be setup the same.
Just wait until the great Obama change takes effect, no money, no food, no energy, just candles for light, if you can get them and many homeless walking the streets. "NO ENERGY FOR YOU"
What Mylow saw as a wave was magnetic streams no electrons at all, since there are none and no one has ever seen one, yes pure magnetic streams with all the power of the universe at one's finger tips.
My heart goes out to Mylow and his family for his hard work but the mistake is already made.
John
You have my permission to print this as I hide nothing.
cc Rense/ Tom Bearden/ Tony C
cc all the groups.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 05, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
To ALL,
I did send José (Mylow) 2 emails, after he announced in a comment section
of his last video, that it was a fake.
Here you can see his replies.
=====
Re: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?
JOSE
to Stefan:
dear friend you are right wanted to create more research into the
Howard Johnson technology...
Well, ask him to prove it. :P How did he fake it? How can we know when he is lying, now or then, when he did not prove that he did fake it and how exactly? One should not create confusion like that, and just walk away with no responsibility and believable explanation. >:(
BTW, Mylow, cannot you reply yourself?
@ all, Thanx
@plengo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeMhuROp6GI
video rpm test of last raw file vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqnIKA-nSk
X00013
I don't get audio??
Chet
OMNI
PAUL
ANYONE
what do you know about this guy[please comment seems ready to release]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7150.0
Chet
i
i checked sound, seems to work, pull the sound tab up on the video screen.
account is now closed, mylows that is.
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2009, 07:27:45 PM
X00013
I don't get audio??
Chet
Chet:
I think you may be using Firefox? I'm dissapointed by Firefox lately. They seemed to have a lot of issues with speed and audio. I am using IE/Safari and they work well.
ChrisC
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2009, 07:34:02 PM
OMNI
PAUL
ANYONE
what do you know about this guy[please comment seems ready to release]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7150.0
Chet
@ramset, I sent a pm on youtube to @broli asking him if he thinks one can pay a visit to this guy and what proof would he need that it's not a foul game but is out of genuine interest. Also, I asked @broli who this university professor is and how he can be contacted. I'd like to speak with him personally and maybe even visit him.
OMNI
THANK YOU
CHET
I hope all the folks who constantly hassled MYLOW and who criticised his every move and everything he done are now satisfied with themselves. All the petty, small minded individuals who left snide comments on his YouTube page. It seems that as a race we don't even need the MIB. We are our own free energy police force - dedicated to derailing our own attempts at betterment.
I'm also very disappointed at the attempts by folks who should really know better to divulge MYLOWs identity. What good could have possibly come of this except to put him off and to scare him into submission. What was the motivation for this?
Desertphile latest: he is claiming he made Mylow go away!
My comment is
"MYLOW will be a legend in the OU magnet motor game.
The MIB made him go away, He claimed fake but was told it had to be that way...
One hell of a show. He did it the right way.
They will be talking years away, was it fake or did the MIB make it all go away! "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPunx8XaC4
Get use to it, it is the way of the internet.
I do agree with the threats to publish his contact info was way over the line,
Quote from: FreeEnergyTruth on April 05, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
I hope all the folks who constantly hassled MYLOW and who criticised his every move and everything he done are now satisfied with themselves. All the petty, small minded individuals who left snide comments on his YouTube page. It seems that as a race we don't even need the MIB. We are our own free energy police force - dedicated to derailing our own attempts at betterment.
I'm also very disappointed at the attempts by folks who should really know better to divulge MYLOWs identity. What good could have possibly come of this except to put him off and to scare him into submission. What was the motivation for this?
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 07:05:44 PM
posted with slight editing (for punctuation) at
http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/#JohnBedini_on_MylowSaga
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bedini
To: sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: PES Network, Inc., CEO contact
Mylow is lucky as MIB's do not take things from you and then bring them back you get two choices in life, MONEY or DEATH, this was not the secret people in black taking things away because you never talk again about it, Mylow is now branded as a quack, just like Howard Johnson. I did follow his progress and only to see all the skeptics appear and try to build his vision of Howard Johnson's motor, they changed it so now it does not work, that is next attack.
John
You have my permission to print this as I hide nothing.
cc Rense/ Tom Bearden/ Tony C
cc all the groups.
@John .. with all due respect sir
There are not many replicators to date to try Mylows motor .. and i am one of them and you have gone and pegged me wrong for sure.
i think you maybe spent too many years being cynical towards other replicator people who want to try and build your stuff.
Not every replicator fits the mold you suggest we come from.
The effort i made to replicate Mylow's wheel was honest and supportive ..
The small difference in my layout is caused by the materials i had to work with and most certainly not to suggest his idea is bolluks. .
i would love to see mine work .. i do this as a hobby .. not to try and debase other OU inventors. i happen to like magnets too so Mylow was an obvious choice for me to try and replicate.
i will be ordering a stator like his monday morning and will keep trying to get mine to work as long as i feel like
continuum to doing so..
Best regards
Queue
@queue,
Quotei will be ordering a stator like his monday morning and will keep trying to get mine to work as long as i feel like
continuum to doing so..
Good for you. I don't think anyone should pay attention to these self-centered self-proclaimed experts who cannot convince even their closest supporters there's anything worthwhile in their claims but are readily dismissing everyone else's efforts.
@sterling
@hartiberlin
@steornsean
@mylow
etc...
well, I can say I'm a newcomer to all of this FE stuff.....I hooked up Steorn after the Economist advert and floated through to this website, fizzx, freeenergytruth, peswiki, and a few others.
I'm aware that there's some good people here, and some crazies.
In any case, I'm open to new phenomena and don't believe science is everything.....BUT....
we are in need somehow of a new approach because this fell flat on its face! It has been a ridiculous two weeks. Not just that Mylow left or faked or wimped out, but how the entire project was handled.
I can only say that it's much easier now to blow off ALL of these websites as fudge, even though I want to believe there are new untapped sources of energy....
Was that the intended outcome?
If that Sjack Abeling thing doesn't work out, wtf! And is clanzer even going to bother replicating mylow?
Why bother?
@Queue with all do respect why couldnt you help us fellow replicators source some rotor magnets when asked several times? really the games that have been played here over the past two weeks have been ridiculous. This has been a good lesson.
Quote from: queue on April 05, 2009, 09:11:45 PM
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i will be ordering a stator like his monday morning and will keep trying to get mine to work as long as i feel like continuum to doing so..
Best regards
Queue
Queue,
Glad to hear that you're still gonna tinker around with this. Hope you're new stators are closly matched to the Relative Sizing and Spacing equations and table that I posted earlier in this thread. I don't think anyone has attempted to use them yet.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168135#msg168135
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168157#msg168157
I would recommend that you not glue all of your rotor sets down with the same rotor gap all the way around, with the hope of creating a running motor with your first guess/attempt. Instead, I suggest you VERY gradually increase the gapping (e.g 0.2mm) within each set around the disk, based on the Relative Sizing and Spacing table. This will allow you to easily test several candidate stators with different rotor set gaps all at once. No tearing apart your entire rig between each individual test. If/when you discover a "sweet spot" with a certain rotor gap and stator combination, then apply that all the way around the disk -- and then start experimenting with various spacings between these ideal rotor sets.
Chase212327
Now it should be clear to everyone that we can no longer trust Sterling and Peswiki. He has tuned over to the darksides. He is no longer on the side of FE and maybe he has never been. He is all about making a few bucks at any price. In this respect, he placed himself in the category of sellers like Rick, JB, Bearden, Craddock, Tilley, Dennis Lee, and all those other crooks that Ron has been warning us about.
I even start to believe that the Chemtrail expose that Ron talks about sometimes is not completely farfetch.
Now seing that the MIB story doesn't stick, they are trying to blame the FE community for running Mylow underground. What a joke! Why are FE belivers so easy to fool and take advantage of? I feel offended when you see fool like Mylow can come and dupe a lot of smart guys in the FE community. Is there anyway to prevent this from repeating in the future?
Miki out.
Analysis of the last Mylow video #41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 the engine make 98 laps.
Note # 2 there are 7 different accelerations during the video (and decelerations 7)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 3, the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Thanks
I spoke with Mylow ealier this evening and will work up a report. I finally have the plans up.
http://MylowPlans.com
Magnet Motors > Mylow >
Mylow Magnet Motor Plans -- Version 1.1 - Sterling presents a concise and clear set of instructions of how to build a working all-magnet motor as described by Mylow, who is the first person we know of who has replicated Howard Johnson’s Stonehenge model from three decades ago. (MylowPlans.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: [Mylow]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Plans File Attached
Hi these plans are ok take care my friend and take care of glady johnson never met the johnson but i feel that howard is happy now and he whants me to continue on my quest for a better world.keep looking at the news on t.v i will be on there with my idea for everyone to see.add this to the plans please where safty googles at all times when useing powerfull magnets.have an open mind and have fun.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: [Mylow]
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:52:48 PM
Subject: Plans File Attached
Hi Mylow,
Here's the plans as I have them.
Suggestions?
password: ***
Sterling
@Sterling....Have you built a working model using the plans you are selling?
It had to come. The MIB suppression really gives it the authenticity needed. ::) ::) ::)
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: LightRider on April 05, 2009, 11:46:50 PM
Analysis of the last Mylow video #41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 the engine make 98 laps.
Note # 2 there are 7 different accelerations during the video (and decelerations 7)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 3, the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Thanks
Nice work. I like data. I posted it at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data
One comment I would make, though, is that some of the variation is a function of data management by YouTube.
Mylow told me that his image file from his camera shows a smooth visual presentation, while the YouTube presentation presents some jolting. I've seen that with videos I've uploaded before.
Don't remember anybody catching this but is a report from an replicator from 2003 that constructed
HJ's rotary motor and reported operation for three days after which the magnets depleted. Seems to
jive with Al Witherspoons story that HJ had trouble sourcing accurate magnets to his spec. Would also seem to somewhat vindicate Mylows efforts as it seems irrational anyone would hoax a depleting stator magnet!
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html
Quote from: attack duck on April 06, 2009, 12:28:22 AM
Don't remember anybody catching this but is a report from an replicator from 2003 that constructed
HJ's rotary motor and reported operation for three days after which the magnets depleted. Seems to
jive with Al Witherspoons story that HJ had trouble sourcing accurate magnets to his spec. Would also seem to somewhat vindicate Mylows efforts as it seems irrational anyone would hoax a depleting stator magnet!
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html
Thanks, duck!
Quote from: attack duck on April 06, 2009, 12:28:22 AM
Don't remember anybody catching this but is a report from an replicator from 2003 that constructed
HJ's rotary motor and reported operation for three days after which the magnets depleted. Seems to
jive with Al Witherspoons story that HJ had trouble sourcing accurate magnets to his spec. Would also seem to somewhat vindicate Mylows efforts as it seems irrational anyone would hoax a depleting stator magnet!
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html
I can believe Mylow's report of depleting stator magnet.
A few days ago I bought an Alnico U shaped stator magnet from Ace Hardware, I think the pull strength was quoted something like 15 lbs. Then I got started putting a variation of MyLow's set-up using neo's (rotor) super-glued to an aluminum flywheel about 9 inches wide (I did not have the channel shaped rotor magnets) resting on a low friction Ricoh scanner bearing . After a few hours of playing with trying to get the wheel turning, I noticed that U shaped stator's pull strength dramatically decreased! It was never like when it was first taken off it's keeper.
This can be easily verified and that's why you'll see reports of depleting magnetic strength and hence the slow-down seen in Mylow's last video.
cheers
chrisC
I am crying very hard. Not only this is lacking lots of evidences we are also being blamed for being skeptical because of that lack of evidence and the very hard to believe stories that Mylow told us.
On top of that, the reporter that support our community is selling the plans that no one is able to replicate. What is happening to our community?
Is not this place a place where science and experimentation is supposed to be accepted? Is this Disney World now?
Until Mylow or anyone come up with replicationS that works and are accessible by members or individuals with honorable knowledge all is just reliable as evidence.
Should I accept every single video in youtube as undisputable good evidence to the free energy world? Should I not first eliminate all doubts before waisting my time for experimentation? Should we not first dissect the so told evidences to the minimum logical and reasonable parts?
For those that wants to experiments, please do it. It is good that but remember only to not claim victory before the fight is over. I am one for that. Let's experiment, even Mylow replication but dont say it is a working device before enough evidence is really given.
Fausto.
Did anyone see the iron filings video Mylow made?
The 'wave' of filings have the same pattern as the lowest magnetic potential as seen through one of my flux resonator lenses.
This video shows the flux at a 90 degree difference between two rotor magnets and a stator magnet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8sIAFSq79U&feature=channel_page
Maybe this 'longitudinal' wave obtains some sort of resonance within the domains of the iron. A heat transfer between the domains combined with a phase shift could result in some additional energy. Like an 'in-phase' inductive kick.
Not really violating COE if the stator magnet loses its magnetization over time.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Nice work. I like data. I posted it at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data
Thanks,
Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Thanks,
Quote from: chrisC on April 06, 2009, 12:39:25 AM
I can believe Mylow's report of depleting stator magnet.
A few days ago I bought an Alnico U shaped stator magnet from Ace Hardware, I think the pull strength was quoted something like 15 lbs. Then I got started putting a variation of MyLow's set-up using neo's (rotor) super-glued to an aluminum flywheel about 9 inches wide (I did not have the channel shaped rotor magnets) resting on a low friction Ricoh scanner bearing . After a few hours of playing with trying to get the wheel turning, I noticed that U shaped stator's pull strength dramatically decreased! It was never like when it was first taken off it's keeper.
This can be easily verified and that's why you'll see reports of depleting magnetic strength and hence the slow-down seen in Mylow's last video.
cheers
chrisC
When I was searching the web for horseshoes, one of the first sites I came across specifically warns about using horseshoes for repelling, as this drains them. I assumed this was common knowledge but maybe not? Dunno. Thanks for the post.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 06, 2009, 12:59:09 AM
When I was searching the web for horseshoes, one of the first sites I came across specifically warns about using horseshoes for repelling, as this drains them. I assumed this was common knowledge but maybe not? Dunno. Thanks for the post.
@ nyctuber
Your welcomed. Yes, I did not know the U shaped Alinicos would deplete so readily. So much for the guy who was so convinced that Mylow edited the video when it was just posted that there were definite acceleration and deceleration observed. Sometimes people are so bend on knowing somethings are fake because of their 'superior' knowledge!
cheers
chrisC
Tonight's a good night to chug a few too many beers and ramble in "Tower Speak" about the current situation :)
[burp]
WTH is this?
They want us to stop trying.
They want us to not trust anyone here now.
They want to remind you of every failure of the past.
And they want to us to just forget and: "Move along, Nothing to see here"
Because there are people out there who don't want to see free energy become reality
They don't want us to think for ourselves; think out of the little boxes we're supposed to stay in always
But that won't bring us anything. And doesn't change a thing & only insures the same old s
But there will be victories to see. And there will be light where there was dark
It will all come down whether we self-destruct and give up or not
Because that is the only way this thing can be defeated
By convincing us to stop trying and quit
And forget our goals
[burp]
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 12:45:36 AM
Not really violating COE if the stator magnet loses its magnetization over time.
I agree. I assume that [should it have actually worked] Mylow's wheel was similar to this (much more simple) demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUJ62NF9iYQ&NR=1
or are they not related?
Anyway, since it saps the strength of the magnets, it's really not "over unity" it's just conversion. But still cool and possibly a niftier way to turn magnetism to electricity than the current. I wonder if both sides of magnets get depleted [the stator AND the ring] or not.
Stay well.
-=roger
@ Chris,
Horseshoe magnets made out of steel or Alnico will deplete simply by not using a keeper. That is why it is called a keeper, it keeps the magnetism intact. Leave the keeper off and you will have measurable depletion after a few days without doing anything else. I think it is the position of the poles in relation to each other that does that, as you will not see the same type of depletion in a bar magnet made from the same material.
I have not played with a neo horseshoe magnet so I don't know if the same phenomenon occurs there too. Maybe someone knows.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: rogerdpack on April 06, 2009, 01:12:47 AM
I agree. I assume that [should it have actually worked] Mylow's wheel was similar to this (much more simple) demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUJ62NF9iYQ&NR=1
or are they not related?
Anyway, since it saps the strength of the magnets, it's really not "over unity" it's just conversion. But still cool and possibly a niftier way to turn magnetism to electricity than the current. I wonder if both sides of magnets get depleted [the stator AND the ring] or not.
Stay well.
-=roger
The small movements of his hand are providing the propulsion, basically.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 06, 2009, 01:23:57 AM
The small movements of his hand are providing the propulsion, basically.
What's your take on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&feature=channel_page? Fake?
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 06, 2009, 01:17:08 AM
@ Chris,
Horseshoe magnets made out of steel or Alnico will deplete simply by not using a keeper. That is why it is called a keeper, it keeps the magnetism intact. Leave the keeper off and you will have measurable depletion after a few days without doing anything else. I think it is the position of the poles in relation to each other that does that, as you will not see the same type of depletion in a bar magnet made from the same material.
I have not played with a neo horseshoe magnet so I don't know if the same phenomenon occurs there too. Maybe someone knows.
Hans von Lieven
@Hans
Thanks for the info. Actually I was going to stick a similar sized NEO over the respective ends of the Alinico U Shaped magnet just to see if they will not deplete so readily in that experiment. However I did not have the right shape & size NEO and I decided not to try then because not only did I not have the channel magnets, I also added additional variables to the replication experiment. Perhaps someone else can try that.
cheers
chrisC
Steel horseshoe magnets are pretty easy to demagnetize. Alnicos used like in the last of MyLow's videos should last for years. It takes a pretty strong repulsive field to hurt an Alnico. There are automobile alternators out there with Alnicos in them that have been working for over 20 years without degrading by much.
Hi chrisC,
The keeper does keep the magnetic flux from depleting and may increase the flux after a while but never let the keeper hit the magnet with force as it will reduce that flux. Pulling it away with force is beneficial as it will increase the flux of a near depleted horseshoe magnet.
Take care.
Michel
Hmm I see I am going to have to wait for the TV version of the mylow game. "keep looking at the news on t.v i will be on there with my idea for everyone to see"
I see no reason to purchase plans. Looks like you may have been out sourced with the TV thing. Ahh was that the MIB from TV???
Hey sterlinga did you catch date line on LEE??
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 05, 2009, 11:31:57 PM
Queue,
Glad to hear that you're still gonna tinker around with this. Hope you're new stators are closly matched to the Relative Sizing and Spacing equations and table that I posted earlier in this thread. I don't think anyone has attempted to use them yet.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168135#msg168135
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168157#msg168157
I would recommend that you not glue all of your rotor sets down with the same rotor gap all the way around, with the hope of creating a running motor with your first guess/attempt. Instead, I suggest you VERY gradually increase the gapping (e.g 0.2mm) within each set around the disk, based on the Relative Sizing and Spacing table. This will allow you to easily test several candidate stators with different rotor set gaps all at once. No tearing apart your entire rig between each individual test. If/when you discover a "sweet spot" with a certain rotor gap and stator combination, then apply that all the way around the disk -- and then start experimenting with various spacings between these ideal rotor sets.
Chase212327
Havent tried industrial velcro, so dont know if it is strong enough, but it seems like either that or a circular lever operated clamp mounted around the edge of the rotor would allow very fast and easy rotor magnet placement changes
Quote from: LightRider on April 05, 2009, 11:46:50 PM
Analysis of the last Mylow video #41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 the engine make 98 laps.
Note # 2 there are 7 different accelerations during the video (and decelerations 7)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 3, the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Thanks
@LightRider, thanks for the interesting graph. Would it b possible to re-post it with larger the numbers on the abscissa and the ordinate. The way they are now are completely illegible. Thanks.
It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax. Think about it, would you? Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability. No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax. Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts. He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.
On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device. That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all. So keep up the great work Mylow!
Quote from: nyctuber on April 06, 2009, 02:05:00 AM
Havent tried industrial velcro, so dont know if it is strong enough, but it seems like either that or a circular lever operated clamp mounted around the edge of the rotor would allow very fast and easy rotor magnet placement changes
@ nyctuber
I actually did try both velcro and 3M double sided sticky tape. The Velcro option made it easier to pull out and stick back but because they don't hold the magnets firmly in place, a strong magnetic field will twist some magnets to some offset and thereby whatever you tried to align is no longer valid. Same thing with the 3M double sided tape, which worked surprisingly well until you need to make changes more than a couple of times!
Finally, I decided to use super glue. Noting bonds that well but of course when you're not sure of the final position, it can be messy and difficult to remove!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: attack duck on April 06, 2009, 02:11:35 AM
It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax. Think about it, would you? Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability. No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax. Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts. He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.
On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device. That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all. So keep up the great work Mylow!
That's incorrect. As I've already said many times, if what Mylow shows is real, that is, if the rotor had started from standstill and upon releasing had made these many rotations on its own as in the videos, degaussing notwithstanding, then this is a genuine OU device. It doesn't matter what Mylow claims. What matters is what his device demonstrates, if it indeed does. Thus, the only question of any concern whatsoever is whether or not this motor really does what is claimed it does. Therefore, all the focus should be on the replication on the device and I'm calling on the moderator to delete any speculations as to whether or not this device is OU, especially since it's been established firmly that, if real, it is OU beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Quote from: chrisC on April 06, 2009, 02:14:02 AM
@ nyctuber
I actually did try both velcro and 3M double sided sticky tape. The Velcro option made it easier to pull out and stick back but because they don't hold the magnets firmly in place, a strong magnetic field will twist some magnets to some offset and thereby whatever you tried to align is no longer valid. Same thing with the 3M double sided tape, which worked surprisingly well until you need to make changes more than a couple of times!
Finally, I decided to use super glue. Noting bonds that well but of course when you're not sure of the final position, it can be messy and difficult to remove!
cheers
chrisC
Was it industrial velcro? It's 50% stronger than regular velcro
Quote from: nyctuber on April 06, 2009, 02:24:16 AM
Was it industrial velcro? It's 50% stronger than regular velcro
I don't know. The box said: 3' (feet) by 1" (inch). Ultra Thin. Superior strength etc.
I think the problem is NOT the inability to stick and hold as much as it is the problem of the relative small amount of surface area of the magnets that needed to be stuck together that is the problem. The small area makes it very difficult to correctly position the fibrous part of the Velcro correctly. Perhaps I am not a good handyman!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: LightRider on April 06, 2009, 12:53:34 AM
Thanks,
Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Thanks,
The unstated implication of your data is that the rotor is slowing down and that while the camera panned away to the bed Mylow gave it a surreptitious nudge.
Fortunately such an interpretation won't wash.
Clearly your assessment of where a rotation begins and ends is suspect. This is shown by the large change between 73 frames and 80 frames.
Also we would have to suppose that Mylo was capable of nudging the rotor by just the right amount which is totally unbelievable. Even if he had an accurate rpm meter he would have a hell a job to get a slowing rotor back to around 70 when he refocused the camera on the rotor.
The fact that we get back to the order of 70 frames after 368 frames not usable, proves to me that the rotor is going at a constant speed and that Mylow is completely vindicated by your data.
I feel you may have approached the analysis with preconceived ideas. But thanks for the data. Nobody could say it was produced by someone prejudiced in Mylow's favour.
Hi,
I'm still waiting for my magnets to come.
I have some idea to try by those brave replicators, out there.
Especially CLaNZeR, because I've spotted very nice Halbach setup, that he may still have around.
(BTW. Sorry CLaNZeR for copying some of your pictures)
Please have a look if there will be any effect if replacing stator magnet with Halbach bar array.
Link to CLaNZeR array here: http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=HA (http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=HA)
Jpeg illustrating the idea attached.
best regards,
Tracker
Weird speculation:
The transient is important, even in a moving magnet there is induced current.
This current cancel the magnetic effect and increase the temperature also by the magneto_caloric effect.
Then the magnet is like a metallic objet â€" a piece of metal â€" it doesn’t resist to the rotation.
The temperature then will reduce fast the magnet increase is power and now the effect is to push forward the wheel.
The speed is function of this transient and cannot increase too much, then the rotational speed remains constant, the side effect is the reducing of magnet temperature.
The work is obtained by subtracting the ambient energy.
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 most of the movie is filmed very close and with a moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 14563 frames
Note # 3 the rotor run at three different time (time where the data are usable).
Note # 4 there are 48 full laps filmed and used as data.
Note # 5 The slowest lap filmed 167 frames. The fastest lap filmed 59 frames. The average lap filmed is about 85 frames.
Note # 5 there are different accelerations zones during the video (and decelerations)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 6 the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
Thanks,
Quote from: Omnibus on April 06, 2009, 02:10:24 AM
@LightRider, thanks for the interesting graph. Would it b possible to re-post it with larger the numbers on the abscissa and the ordinate. The way they are now are completely illegible. Thanks.
** re-post with larger numbers on the abscissa and the ordinate**Analysis of the last Mylow
video #41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 the engine make 98 laps.
Note # 2 there are 7 different accelerations during the video (and decelerations)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 3, the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Thanks
** re-post with this time a graphic**
Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
** correction in the graphic: "Rotor outside the scope of the camera" instead "Rotor is Stop", Thanks **
Thanks,
Quote from: attack duck on April 06, 2009, 02:11:35 AM
It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax. Think about it, would you? Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability. No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax. Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts. He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.
On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device. That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all. So keep up the great work Mylow!
you got your fact totally wrong. I NEVER stated he manipulated the video or the audio. Somebody else did.
Fausto.
Quote from: LightRider on April 06, 2009, 09:59:43 AM
** re-post with this time a graphic**
Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
** correction in the graphic: "Rotor outside the scope of the camera" instead "Rotor is Stop", Thanks **
Thanks,
Amazing. If this beautiful analysis is right (which I assume is) is not that strange that the motor accelerates when the camera is not showing the motor???
Fausto.
No comments on the rpms STATED by Mylow and the rpms SHOWN?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168528#msg168528
140 RPMs is quite fast!?!
(A) 77 RPM : Mylow claims it has run 26 hours continuous in one setting. Mylow says he has seen some deceleration over time. It was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds. After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm. He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
(B) 140 RPM : Mylow claims it ran 18 hours @ 140 rpm / it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
(C) 10 RPM : Last video: RPM approx. = 10 rpm
(Initial speed of rotation about 7.2 secs. After noise in 12/13thsec it is about 4.5 secs. At the end of video about 6.5secs.)
(D) All other 'running' videos similar to (C)
Comments:
- Mylow has claimed upper RPMs of 77 and 140, but has only ever shown approx. 10 RPMs
- Mylow has claimed 18 hr. run times with no apparent slow-down, but the latest video shows a significant slow-down over only a few min.
- (A) and (B) would appear to be very questionable and even fabricated data
- - -
The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel. (with the data not perfectly smooth because of youtube compression?)
This would indicate to me that Mylow is doing something off-camera for the first 4:30 to maintain rotation (or even a video loop etc), but once he starts talking, he is unable to continue whatever he was doing to maintain rotation.
Why would it spin at a relatively constant rate (with a few dips, possibly showing where the rotor is spun up by compressed air?) for the first 4:30, then suddenly drop off to an apparant flywheel rundown for the 2nd half when he starts talking? (from ~4:30 on, it IS a flywheel rundown IMO)
(and NO, magnet degaussing would not explain this)
Quote from: capthook on April 06, 2009, 10:46:03 AM
No comments on the rpms STATED by Mylow and the rpms SHOWN?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168528#msg168528
140 RPMs is quite fast!?!
(A) 77 RPM : Mylow claims it has run 26 hours continuous in one setting. Mylow says he has seen some deceleration over time. It was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds. After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm. He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
(B) 140 RPM : Mylow claims it ran 18 hours @ 140 rpm / it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
(C) 10 RPM : Last video: RPM approx. = 10 rpm
(Initial speed of rotation about 7.2 secs. After noise in 12/13thsec it is about 4.5 secs. At the end of video about 6.5secs.)
(D) All other 'running' videos similar to (C)
Comments:
- Mylow has claimed upper RPMs of 77 and 140, but has only ever shown approx. 10 RPMs
- Mylow has claimed 18 hr. run times with no apparent slow-down, but the latest video shows a significant slow-down over only a few min.
- (A) and (B) would appear to be very questionable and even fabricated data
- - -
The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel. (with the data not perfectly smooth because of youtube compression?)
This would indicate to me that Mylow is doing something off-camera for the first 4:30 to maintain rotation (or even a video loop etc), but once he starts talking, he is unable to continue whatever he was doing to maintain rotation.
Why would it spin at a relatively constant rate for the first 4:30, then suddenly drop off to an apparant flywheel rundown for the 2nd half when he starts talking? (it IS a flywheel rundown IMO)
(and NO, magnet degaussing would not explain this)
That is exactly what I was trying to tell everyone when i did the first analysis of his 7 minutes video and the sound. Thank you, you did a great job explaining in plain terms.
And Omnibus said I took my observations from "thin air". Is that right Ominbus? Dont you think that the DATA is demonstrating beyond any doubt that the only logical conclusion is that this wheel spinning is really not spinning on its own?
Is it acceptable to conclude it is very possible and likely that the wheel is spinning but some other means than the magnetic fields?
If not, what possible reasonable explanation would you propose? Again, even if Mylow has a real thing, all he demonstrated so far FORCEs us to think it is lacking evidence to eliminate doubt.
I wish more than anyone this was not a hoax but the real thing! But my mind does not allow me to accept that yet.
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 06, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
Amazing. If this beautiful analysis is right (which I assume is) is not that strange that the motor accelerates when the camera is not showing the motor???
Fausto.
It doesn't. Are you incapable of understanding my post or are you just perverse.
Quote from: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 11:09:59 AM
It doesn't. Are you incapable of understanding my post or are you just perverse.
Ops, sorry Grimer, I quoted the wrong post.
No I am not perverse. Back to your post, since I am here now, I agree it would be a little difficult for Mylow to nudge things by hand thats why I think he is using pressure air or some other form of propulsion system.
Fausto.
Deleted by moderator. @Dankie cut it out. No more insults.
Quote from: plengo on April 06, 2009, 11:16:09 AM
...thats why I think he is using pressure air or some other form of propulsion system.
In one of his 'it's a fake' comments, mylow added: 'it was air', not that anything he said can be believed.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 06, 2009, 01:17:08 AM
@ Chris,
Horseshoe magnets made out of steel or Alnico will deplete simply by not using a keeper. That is why it is called a keeper, it keeps the magnetism intact. Leave the keeper off and you will have measurable depletion after a few days without doing anything else. I think it is the position of the poles in relation to each other that does that, as you will not see the same type of depletion in a bar magnet made from the same material.
I have not played with a neo horseshoe magnet so I don't know if the same phenomenon occurs there too. Maybe someone knows.
Hans von Lieven
Hi Hans:
Did you know what happened to these 2 gentlemen from your backyard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&NR=1
Are they also 'fakes'? Sorry about this tangent post.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: canam101 on April 06, 2009, 12:01:12 PM
In one of his 'it's a fake' comments, mylow added: 'it was air', not that anything he said can be believed.
Yes, it's very obvious to us all that the last video does not show a free running motor.
Is it just me, or has anyone else said anything about the drastic change of magnet placement on the rotor.
His first running video uses a completely different arrangement, and it doesn't appear to change speed for a couple of minutes.
Call me crazy, but something is really 'fishy' about all of this. Why would he go through all this trouble to make such a scam video, when his early video shows the rotor turning smoothly and without winding down?
I think he did the final video intentionally to throw everyone off track and discourage anyone from replicating. And, judging from the lack of his enthusiasm at the end of all this...maybe someone WAS forcing him to quit and show a fake motor.
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 12:12:46 PM
Yes, it's very obvious to us all that the last video does not show a free running motor.
Is it just me, or has anyone else said anything about the drastic change of magnet placement on the rotor.
His first running video uses a completely different arrangement, and it doesn't appear to change speed for a couple of minutes.
Call me crazy, but something is really 'fishy' about all of this. Why would he go through all this trouble to make such a scam video, when his early video shows the rotor turning smoothly and without winding down?
I think he did the final video intentionally to throw everyone off track and discourage anyone from replicating. And, judging from the lack of his enthusiasm at the end of all this...maybe someone WAS forcing him to quit and show a fake motor.
has anyone else said anything - I thought it was fishy back on page 160
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168285#msg168285
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 05, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
Few days ago I thought about doing the calculations, but decided not to because it's not worth it. FEMM, free software, comes with a package capable of doing it if you're interested. Anyhow, my conclusion was the same as yours. The flow of thermal energy from the temp gradient would most likely far exceed the friction of mylow's rotating machine.
Adding to the above: Within FEMM (it's free software) create a new problem (Ctrl N), then select "Heat Flow Problem." BTW, you can't use the thermal properties of "air" used in FEMM because that's for perfectly stagnate air-- vast difference.
PL
@Dankie
Perhaps those who make ad hominem and demeaning comments of no practical use at all to the subject, should be banned instead.
And such a "Dankie Forum" as you suggest, would be a rather bleak and uninteresting place to visit, i imagine ;)
The problem would then be that the "smart" people who determine "what is right" would need to be consulted for their personal opinions before anything ever gets posted, Hehehe... Imagine all the PM's you would get!.. or not. ;)
And see, you could have easily gotten around the "Useless post" part by combining your comment into a another, "useful" one:
_________________________________________
@All
Those who are considering replicating free energy devices of any type but who may have been "scared off" by certain "MIB" comments, should visit Panacea BOCAF and consider being Registered as a Open Source Engineer. If there is indeed a danger from suppression and it is not just dire shadows and words on a page trying their best to get you to quit on your own... Which in fact is the only way they CAN succeed in stopping the furthering of knowledge and wider public awareness for these technologies (... Which will then bring the certain end of suppression); then Panacea BOCAF could be a help in insuring any suppression-like "shenanigans" get both publicity and legal attention.... Because these things cannot survive the light of day.
This is important to note, imo... Whatever comes from the current MYLOW investigations.
Maybe some of you are not aware of this following document so I'm reposting it here with a link to the original:
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html)
AND
Blueprints for Howard Johnson's Permanent Magnetic Motor:
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/index.html (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/index.html)
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
Hector D Perez Torres Claims to have replicated the device but says
that it did not work very long because the magnet strength decayed
rapidly. Says device is difficult and expensive to build, and
buying the special design magnets will put you on a watch list.
Responding to:
* Howard Johnson's Permanent Magnet Motor Blueprints - Entire
set of drawings rendered by Coulter F . Irwin now posted for the
first time on the Internet.
Comment 1
From: "ARK Research" <[115]arkresearch@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:32:02 -0000
Subject: Re: ... HJ blueprints posted...
I got the original ones since 1980 THE PROBLEM IS BUILDING THE
half-moon shaped magnets for the ROTOR (Definitely is EASIER to built
ANY OTHER DEVICE ) as the fields do DEGRADE in time due to the SOFT
electron problem (3 days) the PLACE (location) were the motor works is
critical in performance (some relation to VTA).
Tame other devices before attempting this one. The wave resonant
interactions of rotor and stator are the secret but if the magnets are
not properly BALANCED you just will fail in replication....
EXTREME DIFFICULT TO REPLICATE .
Hector
Comment 2
From: "Advanced Research Knowledge Arkresearch"
<[116]arkresearch@hotmail.com>
To: <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [alfenergy] Digest Number 122
I did replicate but the 6 cobalt samarium half moons are a
Subcontractor nightmare made real (Magnet manufacturer ) AND as I told
the WAVE EFFECT takes a toll on the magnets, Easier to Replicate an
ECKLIN-Brown ALTERNATOR with the proper funds ..... unit DEGRADES FAST
and DIES REQUIRING MAGNET RECHARGING ... ( A kinD of NEUTRALIZING FIELD
FORMS product of ELECTRON DECAY (Vitron) requiring REMOVAL of this
GREEN GLOW RADIATION from MAGNETS plus unit WORKED when it seems fit ?
(External FACTOR ? PK Operator Influence ? I just SCRAPED IT ,just kept
2 of the STATOR magnets (mementos ) and gave the UNIT to the "INVESTOR
" with the test reports .
*** was sued by another group that got '0' performance from it, so I
cannot hide it. DESIGN is STRONGLY PROBLEMATIC to develop as I later
found. *** never completed a working model, As I heard rumor that a
young man from California did only to have it taken by FBI? How much
truth? I don't know. BUT reality is *** NEVER MADE A WORKING MODEL.
His crude demos stopped after a few minutes, I say it was a miracle we
got it working for 3 days (no load) then it just died (depleted).
Similar problem with VTA units. Even being ac magnet vibration got
depleted with time ....
The reason I got into Ferro resonance were LOW remanance or core
"DEPLETION" becomes an advantage in OU transform... Common transformer
lamination and latching "memory" cores became my new toys .... The
value in ***'s design is the WAVE interaction pattern formed as the
motor ran at a GIVEN speed RESULTING in a duplicate of VTA effect
(Ringing) of Barium ceramic 8 magnets unit acting as magnetic "rotary"
amplitude amplifier ......
I don't recommend WASTING money only to find bigger problems. PM
device is useful (as [117]ALF replication of Magnetogravitic motor);
but PURE PM stuff brings problems (I have my own design based on
orbital ballistics but have never taken it from beyond theoretics) more
than I got NSA in my steps for just ordering the magnets alone ..
constant annoying calls asking info on the applications and warning on
the limits of EXPORT to foreign country... so I diverted toward pure
resonance and OFF the shelve item design .
Quite safer for anyone.... (try meg with Transverter in BAP URL ) will
work any higher frequency switching load with out reflecting to source
.
best regards, Hector
Comment 3
From: "Advanced Research Knowledge Arkresearch"
<[118]arkresearch@hotmail.com>
To: <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: on the plan you have ....
On revising your copy .....
ROTOR MAGNET SET CONSISTS of HALF MOON PAIRS (unit is USELESS as this 3
pair angle do not create wave effect required to work) Spacing and size
is wrong 1 and even the inventor failed to provide this detail. I can
search my files and put this info out but who? will make the moon
magnets without having the old boys from the club breathing heavy on
their necks ? and to be depleted in days of operation.
If you want to make one I can help some but give no warrantee on its
performance.....
Hector
Note from Sterling
The rapid depletion of the magnet would fit a model expected by someone
anticipating full compliance with known laws of thermodynamics. In
other words, the charge put into the magnets when magnetizing them, is
being used up to create motor rotation, making this essentially a very
expensive battery.
Other inventors ([119]e.g.) claim that their permanent magnet designs
provide continuous rotation/work with no depletion of the magnetic
strength.
[120]Sterling
July 27, 2003
Hector Recommends More Feasible Solutions
From: "Advanced Research Knowledge Arkresearch"
<[121]arkresearch@hotmail.com>
To: <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:35 AM
Subject: Re PM motor and alternatives (comments)
In pure PM motor........"Johnson"
Space of rotor Magnets are critical, in making a model.
alternative as to make one consisting of 2 adjustable rotors Each
having 3 magnets as to permit..
1: adjustment of separation of magnet pairs ...
2: adjustment of angle of magnet pairs...
3: adjustable distance and 'pitch' of magnets....
As to have ADJUSTABLE HARDWARE parameters to adjust a work-able
configuration.....
The other last problem is to work on the self- DEGAUSSING of unit ?
(Magnet power loss)
seems a [122]Bedini motor combined with RV technology may be the BEST
alternative for something that truly works ..
A 230/460VAC 3PH motor wired for 460V (120v pulsed) equipped with N S
poles ROTOR as to WORK on ATTRACTION by means of PULSE management may
be the EASY WAY to MAKE OU motor, as ATTRACTIVE force do not degauss
rotor magnets, CEMF can be collected by reverse diodes in IGTB or
transistor SWITCHING ARRAY for a full 3 Phase "modified" sine wave
operation having the ADVANTAGE OF BEDINI LIKE PM MAGNET OPERATION and
The Johnson WAVE effect .....
For GENERATOR the best design is the MAGNETIC DISTRIBUTOR GENERATOR
CONCEPT made with CARE to avoid shorting the flux path of AC
magnetics....
Another 2 working DEVICES can be used combined with PM RV ..
ALF INTERFERENCE DISK GENERATOR, and [123]METHERNINKA THESTATIKA
OU is Transformation, IF MAGNETIC FLUX is switched ON and OFF in any
system with a MINOR FORCE YOU HAVE OU .. the same with static charge
(THESTATIKA)
MEG is a sample of that (THE MAGNETOTRANSISTOR ) requiring a PERFECT
TUNING but with the disadvantage of loosing it at LOADING ....
SOLUTION: Resonant MEG with TRANSVERTER DIODE PLUG AND CAPACITOR
DISCHARGE SYSTEM. Pulse length as to PERMIT discharging the ACCUMULATED
RADIANT ENERGY COMPONENT in a totally NON REFLECTING WAY TO SOURCE.....
Why Bearden group does not adopt it? (FREE domain)? I don't mind it
being patented as long it is given FREE and proper credit is given to
each contributor (there are many)....
I comment on the alternatives as a more simpler approach, I see a lot
of wasted effort on far to reach alternate energy sources, while in
reality simpler cost effective solutions are left untouched ..(.free
domain)
I see it to be more a problem of HUMAN UNITY than "Energy" overunity...
Hector D Perez Torres ARK RESEARCH ...JUL, 27, 2003
Best regards to all, feel free to repost.....
Hector
Hi duff,
These blueprints and comments are for another magnetic motor Howard Johnson successfully made and that went to the military. They probably used it in their diesel submarines.
The discussion of this thread is the Stonehenge motor which is a different design and concept.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Nice work. I like data. I posted it at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data
Thanks Sterling,
-----------------------------------------------
from Sterling,
Quote
One comment I would make, though, is that some of the variation is a function of data management by YouTube.
Mylow told me that his image file from his camera shows a smooth visual presentation, while the YouTube presentation presents some jolting. I've seen that with videos I've uploaded before.
from capthook
Quote
with the data not perfectly smooth because of youtube compression?
It is more likely that you are both right, regards the possible errors due to video compression.
In general the data remains interesting.
I added to the graphics this note: the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
Thanks
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 12:12:46 PM
Yes, it's very obvious to us all that the last video does not show a free running motor.
Is it just me, or has anyone else said anything about the drastic change of magnet placement on the rotor.
His first running video uses a completely different arrangement, and it doesn't appear to change speed for a couple of minutes.
Call me crazy, but something is really 'fishy' about all of this. Why would he go through all this trouble to make such a scam video, when his early video shows the rotor turning smoothly and without winding down?
I think he did the final video intentionally to throw everyone off track and discourage anyone from replicating. And, judging from the lack of his enthusiasm at the end of all this...maybe someone WAS forcing him to quit and show a fake motor.
I agree with your interpretation entirely pinestone. In my view the evidence from the "bed" video alone together with Lightrider's data is quite sufficient to convince me that Mylow is honest a genuine. He has been got at but I'm sure we will see him back somewhere. He doesn't seem a quitter to me. On the contrary.
Quote from: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 03:05:33 AM
The unstated implication of your data is that the rotor is slowing down and that while the camera panned away to the bed Mylow gave it a surreptitious nudge.
Fortunately such an interpretation won't wash.
Clearly your assessment of where a rotation begins and ends is suspect. This is shown by the large change between 73 frames and 80 frames.
Also we would have to suppose that Mylo was capable of nudging the rotor by just the right amount which is totally unbelievable. Even if he had an accurate rpm meter he would have a hell a job to get a slowing rotor back to around 70 when he refocused the camera on the rotor.
The fact that we get back to the order of 70 frames after 368 frames not usable, proves to me that the rotor is going at a constant speed and that Mylow is completely vindicated by your data.
I feel you may have approached the analysis with preconceived ideas. But thanks for the data. Nobody could say it was produced by someone prejudiced in Mylow's favour.
You're right Grimer, the interpretation of data can be diverse, and pre-oriented. Thank you for your point of view.
As I said before, I added to the graphics this note: the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
LightRider
Quote from: plengo on April 06, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
Amazing. If this beautiful analysis is right (which I assume is) is not that strange that the motor accelerates when the camera is not showing the motor???
Fausto.
Thanks Fausto,
In the first version of the engine Mylow analyzed, there are several variations of accelerations and decelerations to which appears not constant and not linear. In the latest version of the engine Mylow analyzed, there are also what appear to be non-constancy and non-linearity of changes in speed. The smallest (in time) video analyzed leaves much room for interpretation with lack of data. Finally, as already said, the interpretation of data can be diverse, and pre-oriented. Thank,
LightRider
Quote from: capthook on April 06, 2009, 10:46:03 AM
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel.
This interpretation seems to make sense with the data from the graphic.
Thanks,
LightRider
Quote from: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 01:29:23 PM
I agree with your interpretation entirely pinestone. In my view the evidence from the "bed" video alone together with Lightrider's data is quite sufficient to convince me that Mylow is honest a genuine. He has been got at but I'm sure we will see him back somewhere. He doesn't seem a quitter to me. On the contrary.
i also noticed the distance of the stator in the new 7-6 config right away. Giving my disk a spin -- i tried holding my own stator by hand and closing my eyes to better feel the rotors passing array fields. At that distance the ripple in the stator magnet as the rotor arrays pass by was indiscernible.
Holding the stator close as in the Mylow's first video one can definitely feel the ripple vibration in the stator caused by the passing rotor array fields. i'm sure the fields still do interact when the stator is further away like that but the effect is so small that my hand cannot feel it at all.
Acute observation Pinestone :-)
I think Mylow's motor could/did work. When I saw his video using iron filings it occurred to me that the 'wave' of magnetism could lead to FE resonance.
"FMR arises from the precessional motion of a ferromagnetic material in an external magnetic field. The magnetic field puts a torque on the magnetization which causes the magnetic moment to precess. The precession frequency depends on the orientation of the material and the strength of the magnetic field."
wiki- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetic_resonance
This resonance, combined with the caloric transfer mentioned earlier in this thread could provide additional energy to repel or attract the sequence of PM's on the rotor. And, the degradation of the stator magnet seems to correspond with the experiments performed by others- (as in the emails that duff just posted).
Personally, I doubt magnet shape has little to do with this phenomenon.
The magnets field can be modified simply by attaching steel or iron pieces to conventional cylinder or rectangular magnets.
I truly wish I could replicate. Unfortunately, my business, another project, taxes, death of a friend and a family member in the hospital have taken all my spare time.
Quote from: Michelinho on April 06, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Hi duff,
These blueprints and comments are for another magnetic motor Howard Johnson successfully made and that went to the military. They probably used it in their diesel submarines.
The discussion of this thread is the Stonehenge motor which is a different design and concept.
Take care,
Michel
Michel,
I'm well aware of the discussion!
I feel the magnetic principles are the same and this model has the same demagnetization problems. Hectors insight are a good thing.
-Duff
Hi LightRider,
Thanks for all the video analysis! Excellent work. The believers will continue to believe, the thinkers will think, the thoughtful will study your data and
for what its worth, the data pretty well says it all.
I remain, bummed out but eternally optimistic!
Ben
Quote from: LightRider on April 06, 2009, 09:59:43 AM
** re-post with this time a graphic**
Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
** correction in the graphic: "Rotor outside the scope of the camera" instead "Rotor is Stop", Thanks **
Thanks,
Thanks and all but I got different results, how did u come up with note #6 "2 full rotations", i got four rotations. What software are you using? Thanx
Quote from: k4zep on April 06, 2009, 02:57:41 PM
Hi LightRider,
Thanks for all the video analysis! Excellent work. The believers will continue to believe, the thinkers will think, the thoughtful will study your data and
for what its worth, the data pretty well says it all.
I remain, bummed out but eternally optimistic!
Ben
It would be impossible for me to say it in a better way, thanks.
LightRider
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
Thanks and all but I got different results, how did u come up with note #6 "2 full rotations", i got four rotations. What software are you using? Thanx
You probably quite right X00013, that is why i put this note:
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are
based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
But to answer more clearly:
Video 41b (fix video camera) I used a mini-sensor for detecting light / movement while playing the video to make the data acquisition.
Video 6 and 7 (moving video camera) I made a image by image analysis. Much longer process and the possibility of error is much greater.
To consider that a turn is complete and usable, I made the following working hypothesis:
# 1 there must be a fixed mark that does not move during a cycle,
# 2 there must be a mobile mark without confusion during a cycle,
# 3 the two marks must meet at the beginning and at the end of the cycle and be visible during these meetings.
# 4 the method should be fast because the video contains more than 15,000 frames to be analyzed one by one.
# 5 when there was doubt eventhough it is small, the data cycle was rejected.
People with better equipment and / or software can certainly make a more detailed and more accurate analysis.
Thanks for your comment,
LightRider
@plengo,
You may see here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168260#msg168260 that I noted the deceleration after Mylow starts to speak even earlier than your debunking video. Also, on couple of occasions later I noted that this indicates a real problem in Mylow's presentation. And indeed, this is the problem and not the multiple accelerations and decelerations you demonstrate which only show a fine structure in the rpm-time curve. The fine structure in the rpm-time curve may have a favorable interpretation unlike what you provide based on your video.. In this respect @LightRider has done a marvelous job.whereby aside from the interesting fine structure on can clearly see flywheel-type deceleration after Mylow begins to speak. This was regarding the last video. The data shown by @LightRider regarding the rest of the videos are ambiguous and the conclusions based on these data are even less clear let alone proving hoax. As I said, the really disturbing set of data is the graph shown by @LightRider of the last Mylow's video. This deceleration wouldn't be worrisome only under one circumstance, namely, if the rotor had started to run from standstill which we have no evidence of.
Quote from: duff on April 06, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Maybe some of you are not aware of this following document so I'm reposting it here with a link to the original:
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html)
AND
Blueprints for Howard Johnson's Permanent Magnetic Motor:
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/index.html (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/index.html)
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
Hector D Perez Torres Claims to have replicated the device but says
that it did not work very long because the magnet strength decayed
rapidly. Says device is difficult and expensive to build, and
buying the special design magnets will put you on a watch list.
[deleted]
His crude demos stopped after a few minutes, I say it was a miracle we
got it working for 3 days (no load) then it just died (depleted).
Similar problem with VTA units. Even being ac magnet vibration got
depleted with time ....
Are you quoting the above (I deleted the unnecessary for convenience) as a proof that Howard Johnson motor was never reproduced? Your own quote shows quite the contrary, that it has been reproduced. Show me 3min of operation, as the quote says, not even 3 days of operation, as the quote also says, turning without external energy input, when started from standstill, and then try to tell me it isn't OU. Don't worry about the degaussing.
"Don't worry about the degaussing."
WHAT PART OF IT TAKES ENERGY TO MAGNETIZE do you not get???
You lot not bored yet ;D
Next one is lining up
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7134.msg168917#msg168917
Please be gentle till we see the video
Thank you Ominbus for the last explanation.
Side note: I claim it is a hoax not because only the video but the lack of doubtful evidence plus the video/sound. The group of all the stories, chats and videos to me are not alone sufficient to claim validity while also does not exclude real validity either but makes the case very weak in my opinion so far. Just for the record (some people are confusing my claims with something else).
I think those videos that Mylow presented (which I have everyone of them, including the H18 definitions) can be created using all sort of mechanisms (unfortunately) and he (Mylow) refused simply to present a clear view of his motor while he had and still probably has all the power in the world to do it right to so eliminate very reasonable doubt.
I really like the direction this thread is taking now. A much more scientific approach over the existing data so that we all can conclude and correct each other based on the DATA. Faith alone only necessary to fuel the interest but the data is the guidance and we all should literally learn from it (including me).
I totally agree that the acceleration/deceleration only is not enough to debunk the claim but in itself is not helping either, I think the contrary taking in consideration the WHOLE evidence gathered. Now, I disagree on the possible interpretation of this acc/dec because my personal theory (which I already described before).
I really wish this motor is the real think but again, we all must look at the data very carefully because IF we conclude things in the future we will be measured also by our "good" standard of analysis or "bad" standard.
I can conclude so much on the little data given (specially in this case surround by almost unbelievable stories such as the MIBs) and NO ONE has gone there and seen the motor closely neither taken pictures and seen it running except Mylow and his brother.
Again, I am the first to help in paying for the air plane ticket for someone to go there and get this motor documented as soon as possible unlike so many here that wants only to debunk this story. I want the thruth!
Fausto.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 06, 2009, 04:48:16 PM
"Don't worry about the degaussing."
WHAT PART OF IT TAKES ENERGY TO MAGNETIZE do you not get???
Demagnetization requires spending of even more energy.
@Lightrider, I asked you about video #7, not 41b, IF YOU ARE OFF BY 2 FULL ROTATIONS, DONT BOTHER POSTING.
@ Lightrider, didnt mean to sound harsh but data is important,
OK CLANZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what u got!!! cmon post it11? ur killing me.
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
OK CLANZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what u got!!! cmon post it11? ur killing me.
Me mate?
Not alot, this weekend was a wash out because my other Stators did not arrive and also the Iron bar I ordered.
Was up early this morning , did 4 hour drive upto work for the week and cannot play with my toys till I get back home this weekend :(
Tried loads of configurations this weekend, different bent iron parts, different ferrite stators, lowered the stator right down to the rotor, placed it high above also and still no difference. Still hitting the Sticky spots.
So nothing exciting to report.
@ Clanzer, thanx
@all, mylows last vid, downloaded ( orig ) file and played 5.13 times fast foward, at about 1.00 it slows the vid shows, unfortunately, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1mn94N-Go I hate posting this cuz I really want this. but truth need be told.
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
@ Clanzer, thanx
@all, mylows last vid, downloaded ( orig ) file and played 5.13 times fast foward, at about 1.00 it slows the vid shows, unfortunately, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1mn94N-Go I hate posting this cuz I really want this. but truth need be told.
more I look at this more I see how grim it is getting.
Is at the 1 minute where Mylow starts talking?
Fausto.
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
@ Clanzer, thanx
@all, mylows last vid, downloaded ( orig ) file and played 5.13 times fast foward, at about 1.00 it slows the vid shows, unfortunately, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1mn94N-Go I hate posting this cuz I really want this. but truth need be told.
X00013, thank you for posting this video. It confirms my caution with this whole episode. The very
first video mylow posted gave me reason to doubt as he positioned it at the "sweet spot" and the
rotor just started to run. I have never seen so little hunting in any gate I have built. But the final proof
for me was the last video where he stops it with his hand, and inadvertently I am sure, he stops it right on a "sweet spot" and the rotor does not start when he lifts his hand... why?
Fausto, good work, I understand clearly what you were trying to show. Do not be intimidated by
grimer and omnibus, they have missed the bus and are talking in circles.
So the bottom line is ... no evidence has been presented to show that this 'idea' works, no outside
person was ever allowed to observe or video the running device, and the videos presented show
obvious flaws that bespeak of manipulation.
Take Care All,
Ron
QuoteX00013: I hate posting this cuz I really want this. but truth need be told.
Try your video magic on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJfBsHDTAsM&feature=related
This rotor has a totally different configuration and does not appear to slow down.
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 05:23:26 PM
@Lightrider, I asked you about video #7, not 41b, IF YOU ARE OFF BY 2 FULL ROTATIONS, DONT BOTHER POSTING.
Already made the response contains information about possible inaccuracies in the tests, this included the video # 7 too.
LightRider
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 06:38:37 PM
Try your video magic on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJfBsHDTAsM&feature=related
This rotor has a totally different configuration and does not appear to slow down.
I just noticed something about this video which just brings in even more suspicion.
The wheel is spinning in the opposite direction, BUT all that appears to have been
done was place the stator on the opposite side of the rotor.. this in itself would
NOT have changed the direction.
Quote from: i_ron on April 06, 2009, 06:21:34 PM
X00013, thank you for posting this video. It confirms my caution with this whole episode. The very
first video mylow posted gave me reason to doubt as he positioned it at the "sweet spot" and the
rotor just started to run. I have never seen so little hunting in any gate I have built. But the final proof
for me was the last video where he stops it with his hand, and inadvertently I am sure, he stops it right on a "sweet spot" and the rotor does not start when he lifts his hand... why?
Fausto, good work, I understand clearly what you were trying to show. Do not be intimidated by
grimer and omnibus, they have missed the bus and are talking in circles.
So the bottom line is ... no evidence has been presented to show that this 'idea' works, no outside
person was ever allowed to observe or video the running device, and the videos presented show
obvious flaws that bespeak of manipulation.
Take Care All,
Ron
@i_ron, your being so categorical is unfounded even in the face of the concerns I've expressed early on. There are arguments either way -- neither there's a clear proof for a hoax nor a proof that the effect demonstrated is real.
As for your supposition that Mylow stops the rotor at the "sweet spot", it's preposterous.
Quote from: Digjam on April 06, 2009, 06:44:51 PM
I just noticed something about this video which just brings in even more suspicion.
The wheel is spinning in the opposite direction, BUT all that appears to have been
done was place the stator on the opposite side of the rotor.. this in itself would
NOT have changed the direction.
That in itself is true. Mylow did say he could reverse the rotor direction by flipping the stator mag around on its mount.
Does anyone know if he changed the orientation of the stator for this video?
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 07:02:15 PM
That in itself is true. Mylow did say he could reverse the rotor direction by flipping the stator mag around on its mount.
Does anyone know if he changed the orientation of the stator for this video?
That's a futile road to pursue for rejection of Mylow's claim.
Quote from: pinestone on April 06, 2009, 07:02:15 PM
That in itself is true. Mylow did say he could reverse the rotor direction by flipping the stator mag around on its mount.
Does anyone know if he changed the orientation of the stator for this video?
Even if he changed the orientation, it's not possible to tell just by looking at them (old or new).
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 05:25:06 PM
@ Lightrider, didnt mean to sound harsh but data is important,
X00013 do sound harsh but he is absolutely right, the data are important.
As said, all data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates.
These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
LightRider
@ Pinestone, I report what i find in factual manner.
Quote from: LightRider on April 06, 2009, 07:10:25 PM
X00013 do sound harsh but he is absolutely right, the data are important.
As said, all data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates.
These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
LightRider
I disagree. If you've done the acquisition of the data you present of the video properly, it is very much a rigorous scientific approach. The problem is that the video, no foul play assumed, provides insufficient data (doesn't show how the spin of the rotor was started, for instance) to draw a definitive conclusion.
HEY MYLOW,
I thank you for all your videos, your time and your effort. I feel your thoughts, wants, and understandings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLjGUNTktGQ Thank You Mylow
Quote from: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 07:17:57 PM
@ Pinestone, I report what i find in factual manner.
I wasn't being critical. If you are referring to my 'magical' comment, that's because I haven't done any video stuff myself, and wouldn't know the proper terminology for what you do to change the frame rate.
:)
Quote from: Omnibus on April 06, 2009, 07:20:35 PM
I disagree. If you've done the acquisition of the data you present of the video properly, it is very much a rigorous scientific approach. The problem is that the video, no foul play assumed, provides insufficient data (doesn't show how the spin of the rotor was started, for instance) to draw a definitive conclusion.
The statement was in relation to the three analyzes published only.Insufficient data, preconceived ideas, test methods used to obtain data and analyze them, materials used ... etc..
From the three analyzes published, it is unlikely to be able to make some definitive conclusions.
LightRider
One thing that is definitely not a waste is this video analysis we are doing.
Remember one day, may be, someone may come up with a real replication and we can use this data as a baseline of sorts to validate either Mylow's replication or future replications.
Contradiction will certainly, if any, will dictate which one would be the real thing.
Another old wise saying I learned a long time ago is: watch the product of ones work and you will know that person.
Fausto.
ps: I am willing to help someone to go at Mylow's house and purchase his motor. Anyone willing to participate?
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 05, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
To ALL,
I did send José (Mylow) 2 emails, after he announced in a comment section
of his last video, that it was a fake.
> Regards, Stefan.
I just posted the following story at PESN:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Mylow's All-Magnet Motor "Not a Fake"
Mylow gives more info about how his motor works, how the recent episode with the MIB guy (NSA) rattled him, tells of non-symmetric polarity in his stator magnet, encourages replication attempts.
"What's really whipping my butt is why the fellow inventors don't explain why it is working, rather than all the reasons why it couldn't possibly be working."
OK, Mylow is bummed cuz no one is coming up with theories why his motor is working. I'll make a
stab at it. Of course my theory closely parallels HJ's theory.
I believe HJ's main theory is the corner vortices. He calls these spin fields. The main idea to stress is
that the spin fields UNDERLIE, are MASKED, and are HIDDEN by the normal B fields. The normal B fields are conservative and any implementation of them just results in symmetry. HJ himself says "symmetry doesn't work".
Johnson described several gate systems in his book "Secret World of Magnets" and all of them involved canceling out, sinking out or nullifying the normal B fields, then using the remaining spin fields to do work. You can think of these spin fields maybe something like the curled up dimensions
commonly described in superstring theory. They don't extend very far but they are asymmetric.
In the Stonehenge motor pic attached below, it is seen that the tall channel magnets are fixed to large
permeability plates. The magnets are attached S side down so the permeability plate sinks out most
of the S generated B field.
At the top of the tall channel magnets, the N generated B field is also sunk by using large permeability plate surrounding the rotor magnets. Now all we have remaining are the N generated spin fields, the opposing S generated spin fields are down and out of the way.
Then we have the stator magnet being curved with chiseled ends to try and get the stator B fields out
of the way and maximize the spin fields on the chiseled ends. Notice that Howard is holding the
stator magnet up near the N end of the channel magnets. The idea behind the motor is to sink out
the symmetric and conservative B fields and unmask the asymmetric and nonconservative spin
fields. This is why every rotor magnet on the gate is N facing. Individual spacing is not that critical,
but just requires that the stator maintain momentum until encountering the next spin field.
My machinist and I built a test gate over the weekend and noticed that while there was always a
repulsion hill at the entrance to the gate, it didn't seem to matter whether we used 7 magnets or
18, the stator would propel merrily along to the end of the gate and then begin to coast with no
back attraction.
It could be fortuitous that Mylow's magnets were so weak as I believe he said that he had purchased
them some 20 yrs ago and they had been left in a drawer until now. This possibly had the effect of
diminishing the B fields to the point they did not need permeability plates to demonstrate the effect.
Anyway, just a preliminary theory. As we all know, the devil lies in the details!
"...the Congressman's secretary confirmed that an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday."Oh this is to **** good.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
I just posted the following story at PESN:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Mylow's All-Magnet Motor "Not a Fake"
Mylow gives more info about how his motor works, how the recent episode with the MIB guy (NSA) rattled him, tells of non-symmetric polarity in his stator magnet, encourages replication attempts.
I would think the NSA might mind all that info being posted? Maybe not.
What is the big mystery about starting it? Just spin it from any point as I understand.... That would be the only thing that makes sense to me, especialy with that size rotor IMO, (how could any start point have anything to do with what is keeping it spinning at 180 degrees from that start point.? You would just need to give it a push from any point if it really worked.
Thanks,
Joe
Want to know how it could work??
hmm the repulsive side of the game becomes a less limited exchange than the like pole crossover. The shear to repulsive game of the magnet arrangement. Simple draw the normal magnet fields and then look at the cross overs and the whys of them. Mylow if you read this use the iorn fileings to see what I am talking about.
What I posted else were.
"I see some interesting things with the Mylow device. If it can do what he showed and claims, well it will be replicated. My biggest problem with what we were shown is to many variations. I do know the height of stator can be set to minimize the repulsion on the intake. Yet such was extremely varied in the videos.
If I was to replicate this I could say again I could get some interesting run times.
KT on his spin down test is already at 10 min. (without magnets)
Now if I set the thing to reduced magnetic drag, I could easily do the fly wheel effect videos. Part of my problem with doing such in that aluminum wheel. That current effect would cause some problems.
Now I also know this thing will vibrate between attraction and repulsion of the stator. This is the why it deteriorates. LOL the rotor to the stator makes a great demag.
Were I already see the problem in this happening is the input gate. Yes by adjusting the height of the stator I can adjust to it. I do wounder if he went with a flipped rotor magnet on the first to his run. Such again may provide some effect."
Hmm should we talk about the reasons with physics say it will not???
Seriously what is up with you believers .
Dr Stiffler already said it was bull ... End of story .
The speed in the videos is all messed up , its a fraud .
Quote from: dankie on April 06, 2009, 11:15:20 PM
Seriously what is up with you believers .
Dr Stiffler already said it was bull ... End of story .
The speed in the videos is all messed up , its a fraud .
To me, the speed or messed up video frames? had nothing to do with it. The fact that we never see a full shot of it starting up and then spin for minutes is the problem. That shot was requested by multiple people I believe. No clear shot of startup ever happened, always a zoomed in at stator magnet at startup or the video starts with it already spinning.
If NSA was not there one can expect the FBI to be tomorrow.
*** NEWS ***
Congressman's secretary had been able to confirm that an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday.
"We know all about you; we've been watching you; and we'll know if you don't do as we have told you."
All the story at : http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Wow ;)
Thanks Sterling.
LightRider
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 06, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
The fact that we never see a full shot of it starting up and then spin for minutes is the problem.
I mean that's the main problem with the VIDEOS that I noticed. Of course all the other problems too everyone has mentioned, are problems :)
This was great. Just like Mike's Motor, that did not last as long.
Joe
Quote from: duff on April 06, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: duff on Today at 10:53:07
Maybe some of you are not aware of this following document so I'm reposting it here with a link to the original:
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/hard_replicate/index.html
AND
Blueprints for Howard Johnson's Permanent Magnetic Motor:
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Blueprints/index.html
HJ Magnetic Motor Blueprints Wont Work as Drawn
Hector D Perez Torres Claims to have replicated the device but says
that it did not work very long because the magnet strength decayed
rapidly. Says device is difficult and expensive to build, and
buying the special design magnets will put you on a watch list.
[deleted]
His crude demos stopped after a few minutes, I say it was a miracle we
got it working for 3 days (no load) then it just died (depleted).
Similar problem with VTA units. Even being ac magnet vibration got
depleted with time ....
Quote from: Omnibus on April 06, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
Are you quoting the above (I deleted the unnecessary for convenience) as a proof that Howard Johnson motor was never reproduced? Your own quote shows quite the contrary, that it has been reproduced. Show me 3min of operation, as the quote says, not even 3 days of operation, as the quote also says, turning without external energy input, when started from standstill, and then try to tell me it isn't OU. Don't worry about the degaussing.
@Omnibus
No, I never implied is was not reproduced.
I posted that in support of Mylow. I think Mylow's replication was for REAL and he has reported some of what Hector comment on.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 06, 2009, 11:30:18 PM
If NSA was not there one can expect the FBI to be tomorrow.
If the FBI will not be there tomorrow, then the FBS.
;) :) :) :):)
Some dude can be funny sometimes!!! You make me laugh to tears man. :) :'(
Miki out.
I try... LOL One has to have a bit of such in the mess. No mater what: I wish Mylow well. And I thank him for the story.
It does give us all some thing to think about. And some, some thing to try and replicate. We can argue over it, and folks will learn.
If real it will be the talk for a long time when some one else does it. If not well what else would folks be doing??
Quote from: miki02131 on April 07, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
If the FBI will not be there tomorrow, then the FBS.
;) :) :) :):)
Some dude can be funny sometimes!!! You make me laugh to tears man. :) :'(
Miki out.
@cloud camper
Could you please re-post your post on the MylowHJ Replication - Discussion thread here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=post;topic=7162.20;num_replies=22
Magnets are smarts little buggers and they always know how to react to every situation. But do we? lol
sterlinga -
I hate to write the following as I've been a fan of yours, but am compelled to do so as a result of your recent activities.
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 03:12:41 AM
The effort and assistance you have provided in this endevour and so many others deserves high praise. Thanks for what you do.
I officially retract this statement.
IMO, you have gone from helpful to delusional and detrimental.
And your recent 'story' reads just like that: a 'story'.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
I just posted the following story at PESN:
"He said the paper they handed him, stating that he was to stop working on this stuff for the sake of preventing a disruption to the economy [e.g. the bullies losing their control over the playground] had some kind of official U.S. Government looking stamp on it. He said that he ended up ripping it up and throwing it out."
So he claims he destroyed the only evidence to support his claim of the MIB episode? Yelp!
I wouldn't even tear up a parking ticket, much less an "or else" document from the NSA!
And his little (non)spinny-thingy is of great importance of the NSA to prevent the collapse of society and the economy as we know it? Yowza!
"He also told Mylow to not post any more videos."
And being so terrified as he was, shortly thereafter he posts another youtube video. Gasp!
I could go on for pages on all the crazy, delusional and inconsistent 'stories'/'data' etc. presented by you and Mylow, but I and others have previously addressed a number of them already.
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 03:12:41 AM
However, on this project, there have been many assumptions and opinions based on high expectations without the accompanying evidence.
You continue to ignore the (limited and lacking) data that has been presented - none of which supports the conclusion that the device is functional. You are basing your conclusions mostly on Mylow saying it's so.
You are willing to just take his word that it ran for 18 hours @ 140 rpms with no slowdown?
That would make you.... foolish, gullable and irrational.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
I'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 12:02:05 AM
I spoke with Mylow ealier this evening and will work up a report. I finally have the plans up.
http://MylowPlans.com
You are in violation of the TOS/Terms and conditions of Overunity.com:5.5 submit contents containing marketing or promotional material which is intended to solicit business.While presenting/sharing/desiminating information is to be applauded, your 'manual' is boarding on fraud.
"$25"
"We are confident that these plans are adequate to result in a working magnet motor"
I hope you consider some of these comments and consider whether you have crossed over the line from an observer/tester/reporter to a koolaid drinking snake-oil salesman.
capthook:
I have to say.....well said sir! I agree with your post 100%. No one can even determine if this device has actually worked or not, yet we can BUY plans for a working device? Also, your assessment of the alleged NSA visit is right on the money in my humble opinion.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 07, 2009, 01:54:19 AM
capthook:
I have to say.....well said sir! I agree with your post 100%. No one can even determine if this device has actually worked or not, yet we can BUY plans for a working device? Also, your assessment of the alleged NSA visit is right on the money in my humble opinion.
Bill
Hi Bill:
Since you're a P.I, maybe you can shed light on whether this is how the NSA works? Much as I like to believe Mylow was not kidding about his machine, I find the MIB stuff too much like a Tom Clancy novel.
cheers
chrisC
Mylow was obviously an earnest guy, as anyone with an ounce of perception observed. He was clearly saddened and shaken up on his last posted video. The reason this has gone on so long is because everyone knows it, and they know the videos weren't fakes. Too many small details, too much genuine enthusiasm and discussion from Mylow. It's been quite a target for angry narcissists like 'TinselKoala' et al, but in the end all they really have is an absence of a functional FE device and repulsive personalities.
Hey Tracker !
Any idea how they got those neo's inside that plastic block? That's darn good engineering just by itself
-f
Quote from: Tracker on April 06, 2009, 06:20:43 AM
Hi,
I'm still waiting for my magnets to come.
I have some idea to try by those brave replicators, out there.
Especially CLaNZeR, because I've spotted very nice Halbach setup, that he may still have around.
(BTW. Sorry CLaNZeR for copying some of your pictures)
Please have a look if there will be any effect if replacing stator magnet with Halbach bar array.
Link to CLaNZeR array here: http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=HA (http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=HA)
Jpeg illustrating the idea attached.
best regards,
Tracker
@capthook
Excellent post, my thoughts exactly.
@sterlinga
careful mate, the way you're advertising those plans as working could constitute mail fraud... should one fail to be able to build a working device from them.
Are you trying to be the Art Bell for a new generation?
That said I think you're a valuable asset to the community. However, I think it is important that you find your niche and settle in, advocate, journalist, and now profiteer...your many hats are quickly becoming a conflict of interest.
I'd also like to include that the MIB is now NSA??? what would a cryptanalysis intelligence agency want with a magnet motor? They're not even chartered for domestic work, that's the domain of the FBI. Furthermore if it has to do with disrupting the economy wouldn't it be more appropriate for it to be the Secret Service (financial system protection/investigation) or some unnamed agency operating under DHS? This story stinks more and more. I don't know if Mylow had a working device anymore than anyone else is "sure" since no one witnessed it personally. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but this kind of crap is just ridiculous. Maybe he was visited by an agency. Maybe he wasn't and I'm sure the congressman is well informed on such maters (since when do they bother to share top secret bully acts with elected officials?)...facts..i want the facts and nothing but the facts.
Quote from: capthook on April 07, 2009, 01:21:33 AM
sterlinga -
....
I officially retract this statement.
IMO, you have gone from helpful to delusional and detrimental.
And your recent 'story' reads just like that: a 'story'.
"He said the paper they handed him, stating that he was to stop working on this stuff for the sake of preventing a disruption to the economy [e.g. the bullies losing their control over the playground] had some kind of official U.S. Government looking stamp on it. He said that he ended up ripping it up and throwing it out."
So he claims he destroyed the only evidence to support his claim of the MIB episode? Yelp!
I wouldn't even tear up a parking ticket, much less an "or else" document from the NSA!
And his little (non)spinny-thingy is of great importance of the NSA to prevent the collapse of society and the economy as we know it? Yowza!
"He also told Mylow to not post any more videos."
And being so terrified as he was, shortly thereafter he posts another youtube video. Gasp!
I could go on for pages on all the crazy, delusional and inconsistent 'stories'/'data' etc. presented by you and Mylow, but I and others have previously addressed a number of them already.
You continue to ignore the (limited and lacking) data that has been presented - none of which supports the conclusion that the device is functional. You are basing your conclusions mostly on Mylow saying it's so.
You are willing to just take his word that it ran for 18 hours @ 140 rpms with no slowdown?
That would make you.... foolish, gullable and irrational.
You are in violation of the TOS/Terms and conditions of Overunity.com:
5.5 submit contents containing marketing or promotional material which is intended to solicit business.
While presenting/sharing/desiminating information is to be applauded, your 'manual' is boarding on fraud.
"$25"
"We are confident that these plans are adequate to result in a working magnet motor"
I hope you consider some of these comments and consider whether you have crossed over the line from an observer/tester/reporter to a koolaid drinking snake-oil salesman.
Bravo, capthook!
Yes, it is sad... So many naive people... This kind of blind cheerleading never brings good results.
Mylow had many chances to prove his claims so far... In this thread, there are countless instructions, how to take a decent video (camera view, a clock , showing the start and spinning for some time, maybe translocating the motor while in operation, then dismantling the shaft/support, etc, etc... everything in one, uninterrupted footage ).
Of course, he could never do that, because the wheel was faked... (let's wait for the replicator reports..)
Otherwise, ML could invite some trustworthy member(s) to see his "motor" spinning with their own eyes...
Anyway, the drama continues, seems like ML is so confused with all this happening that he cannot even decide if he really faked his motor or not...
And, (shh) - the MiB conspiracy... If anyone really believes that NSA guys are indeed taking away magnetic toys from all those great inventors, then... Yes, that is pathetic.
Sterlinga, you should check again and revise your "story" if you want to save at least some of your credibility.
And of course, the "selling plans" (for the nonworking motor) idea, too.
(try do that before the "fraud" word sticks to your good name)...
No offence!
Cheers!
@ chrisC:
Slipstream has the jurisdictional issues correct as I know them to be. This is not their area at all. Now, did someone show up and flash false credentials of the NSA? I don't know and can't say. It does happen but most of the time, it is at a bar when a guy is attempting to pick up a nice looking woman. All of the "spooky" guys I know (retired) do not go around saying...."Bob smith NSA" or, fill in the letters of the agency. I am still not making any judgment on Mylow or his device here as I do not have enough information, as none of us really do. Now if we are talking about probabilities, my vote is that it was all a sham. Many have analyzed the videos and timing as well as other very good observations of the story that does not "fit". I am leaning on agreeing with them at this point. The NSA has nothing to do with devices that "might" upset the economy as was previously stated. Big red flag to me.
Bill
The only evidence he had of the guy visiting he torn up and threw away???
Would anyone else do this??, no, you would scan it, photograph it, upload it etc, the last thing you would do would be to shread it and throw it away!
Would a real "Spook" leave any proof that he had visited?, I don`t think so!
@ Lakes:
Bingo!
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on April 07, 2009, 02:25:10 AM
Mylow was obviously an earnest guy, as anyone with an ounce of perception observed. He was clearly saddened and shaken up on his last posted video. The reason this has gone on so long is because everyone knows it, and they know the videos weren't fakes. Too many small details, too much genuine enthusiasm and discussion from Mylow. It's been quite a target for angry narcissists like 'TinselKoala' et al, but in the end all they really have is an absence of a functional FE device and repulsive personalities.
Good post. Having watched all the videos and followed the thing carefully I am of the same opinion as you.
Let's hope that in time the full story emerges.
Is TinselKoala Alsetalokin. I think he is. Anyone else have any views on this? I apologise if this wanders off topic somewhat. (I've just noticed the "et al" when my spelling checker lit up. Is that a hint as to your view, nyctuber?)
Quote from: fleubis on April 07, 2009, 02:30:56 AM
Hey Tracker !
Any idea how they got those neo's inside that plastic block? That's darn good engineering just by itself
-f
Hi fleubis,
Just follow the link or ask CLaNZeR directly.
Yeah, the guy knows how to do miracles :)
regards,
Tracker
Quote from: LightRider on April 06, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
*** NEWS ***
Congressman's secretary had been able to confirm that an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday.
"We know all about you; we've been watching you; and we'll know if you don't do as we have told you."
All the story at : http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Wow ;)
Thanks Sterling.
LightRider
The confirmation by the Congressman's Secretary that "an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday" is enough to convince me that Mylow is telling the truth about the visit of the Man In Black. If that statement isn't true then whoever started that lie rolling is going to be in deep merde with a lot of people, not least with NSA. I'm sure they don't like lies being spread about them and have the powers to come down heavily on anyone who does.
This motor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
has much more promise than the Mylow setup ever will IMO.
What gives???
Brad
Quote from: bhaas on April 07, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
This motor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
has much more promise than the Mylow setup ever will IMO.
What gives???
Brad
Forget it, proved to be fake, by it's inventor ;D
BTW. Will never understand this kind of "inventors".
We all know that everything could be faked.
Once again my favourite video.
Remember: Stay "open minded" :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI)
Personally, I still believe.
mib, nsa, no working replications
I don't buy it.
Quote from: miki02131 on April 07, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
If the FBI will not be there tomorrow, then the FBS.
;) :) :) :):)
Some dude can be funny sometimes!!! You make me laugh to tears man. :) :'(
Miki out.
There certainly is a common theme here. Check out Bob Boyce's interview about the FBI and then read what NSA told Mylow.
Bob Boyce:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnF-KHLE5WU&feature=related
Bob Boyce 27 Years HHO Part 3
Skip over to 7:35
FBI told him that his device was "a threat to the economy of the United States."
Mylow:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
NSA told Mylow to "stop working on this stuff for the sake of preventing a disruption to the economy."
Replicators...please don't disrupt the economy! ;)
I've added the following to the story, per a phone conversation this morning with Mylow
(context) Mylow said the NSA guy shot about 20 minutes of video and took a bunch of pictures.
[April 7 Note] Mylow said he tried to stop him from taking pictures and video, but his lawyer grabbed him by the arm to stop him, saying: "You don't know what he can do to you."
- - - -
[April 7 Note] Mylow said he phoned the Chicago police to ask about why the incident did not appear in their police records. They told him something to the effect, "It was just a minor domestic incident, so the officers didn't write it up." That contradicts what the person I called from the Chicago Police Department said. He told me that they had received no calls from that address since January. In my report on April 3, I said that I'm guessing my telling PMMTester by phone that I was going to call the police department, then taking an hour before I actually did, tipped them off and gave them time to clear those tracks.
- - - -
I should note that the reason Mylow called me is that he stayed up nearly all night again last night reading through the Overunity comments and was concerned about the negativity and its ramifications for me. He said someone was saying that we were committing fraud and that we should be sued.
I told him to just ignore all that stuff. I do. The best evidence will be when people, including PES, start replicating the device.
I said, "I've found that brilliant people often lack common social skills of human decency and can be extremely immature and rude."
He was wishing he hadn't posted the videos in the first place. I told him that what he had done was precisely the right thing to do that that I was very glad he did it.
Sterling
@ sterlinga
Can you give a progress report on your Mylow replication?
For the sake of trusting the words of Sterling I removed my debunked video of Mylow's 7 minutes video.
So I retract the hoax statement of mine but I am still not convinced he did it.
Only for respect of Sterling's work in the past and his statement that NSA really visit Mylow I am retracting my debunk video.
Let's see how the story goes.
Fausto.
ps: I did save my debunk video and all the comments others users posted.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
I just posted the following story at PESN:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Mylow's All-Magnet Motor "Not a Fake"
Mylow gives more info about how his motor works, how the recent episode with the MIB guy (NSA) rattled him, tells of non-symmetric polarity in his stator magnet, encourages replication attempts.
Sterling:
You are "selling" plans to an "open source" project????
Nobody has duplicated a working model.
NSA involved, congressman, Chicago Police, attorneys????
(no names , no I.D., of course.)
Inventor disappears.
Inventor website removed.
Are you serious? Do you know how many people downloaded these videos? So it's sooooo important that MYLOW deletes his copies , right?
How come no MIB, I'm sorry, NSA dudes at your house???????
Did you perpetrate this from the get go??
You seem to be attempting to profit from it.
P.S. are aliens or alien technology involved????
You do not have a reputable website anymore. In my opinion , to anyone I will talk to about free energy research. And I will gladly cite this "case" as the reason for my having that opinion. I think the absurdity of it speaks for itself.
Congratulations in making a mockery of everybody.
With all the corruption and greed that is rampant in the Governments and businesses around the world, does anyone think for a second that Sterling could be making this stuff up?
Come on. We citizens of the USA don't even know where our tax money goes, and our voices don't count anymore.
We are at the mercy of the 'Evil Empire'. Anything that could change the course of 'their' plan will be viewed as a breach of security.
All of our IP's are easily monitored and traced. Unless you are using an open wireless connection in a public place to get on this website, 'they' already know where and who you are.
If Mylow's stuff is real and the replications start popping up, be prepared for a battle.
Mylow said that you do not want to seek uniformly magnetized magnets for the rotor magnet. Remember, non-symmetry is a key here.
Quote from: Grimer on April 07, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
The confirmation by the Congressman's Secretary that "an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday" is enough to convince me that Mylow is telling the truth about the visit of the Man In Black. If that statement isn't true then whoever started that lie rolling is going to be in deep merde with a lot of people, not least with NSA. I'm sure they don't like lies being spread about them and have the powers to come down heavily on anyone who does.
I pray to God almighty above that SOMEONE involved in the NSA see Sterlings story and sues the hell out of him for making false allegations.
In fact, I should litter the e-mail boxes of every single NSA office/listing I can find on the internet requesting info on this "case" and linking to Sterlings websites where allegations are being made. Also Rense's website.
Good luck Sterling.
NSA all over MYLOW and you are selling plans, but, no NSA for you.
I can't wait to see the NSA response to this .
http://www.nsa.gov/index.shtml
Public and Media Affairs
Phone: (301) 688-6524
Fax: (301) 688-6198
E-mail: nsapao@nsa.gov
Can't wait to see what they think of Sterling Allan.
Bombard this email address.
Quoteellubpt
What do you do for a living, ellubpt? Who signs your checks?
Grant money? Public funded?
You'll never tell, will you?
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 11:07:46 AM
I pray to God almighty above that SOMEONE involved in the NSA see Sterlings story and sues the hell out of him for making false allegations.
In fact, I should litter the e-mail boxes of every single NSA office/listing I can find on the internet requesting info on this "case" and linking to Sterlings websites where allegations are being made. Also Rense's website.
Good luck Sterling.
NSA all over MYLOW and you are selling plans, but, no NSA for you.
I can't wait to see the NSA response to this .
http://www.nsa.gov/index.shtml
Public and Media Affairs
Phone: (301) 688-6524
Fax: (301) 688-6198
E-mail: nsapao@nsa.gov
Can't wait to see what they think of Sterling Allan.
Bombard this email address.
[/quote
Sterling, do you have the specific "congressman's" name.? Or should I aslo just e-mail to each one in Ill and UT?
Do you think your selling of these plans constitutes fraud if any part of your story as posted on your website is false?
Are you collecting any sales tax and reporting as may be required by law?
I believe he only needs to collect State Sales tax for customers who live in his state. All other internet sales should not need the tax collected.
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 11:11:35 AM
What do you do for a living, ellubpt? Who signs your checks?
Grant money? Public funded?
You'll never tell, will you?
I'm self employed.
Don't you think the NSA and the unamed "congressman" deserve a chance to answer the allegations being made?
Wouldn't you like to know the truth?
Quote from: sterlinga on April 07, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
Mylow said that you do not want to seek uniformly magnetized magnets for the rotor magnet. Remember, non-symmetry is a key here.
As you are selling the plans to this Sterling, lets see YOUR working model built from said plans/information!!
E-mail: nsapao@nsa.gov
I was wondering if anyone in your office was aware of the website listed below and the information on it regarding the NSA.
This is being posted at various places on the internet.
Thank You.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Google Alerts just sent me this link to -->
http://www.thefreeadvertisingsite.com/mylow-magnet-motor-plans-19804.html
It says -->
++++++
"Mylow Magnet Motor Plans
A Concise And Clear Set Of Instructions Of How To Build A Working All-magnet Motor As Described By Mylow, Who Is The First Person We Know Of Who Has Replicated Howard Johnson's Stonehenge Model From Three Decades Ago.
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO"
++++++
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 07, 2009, 11:38:41 AM
Google Alerts just sent me this link -->
http://www.thefreeadvertisingsite.com/mylow-magnet-motor-plans-19804.html
It says -->
++++++
"Mylow Magnet Motor Plans
A Concise And Clear Set Of Instructions Of How To Build A Working All-magnet Motor As Described By Mylow, Who Is The First Person We Know Of Who Has Replicated Howard Johnson's Stonehenge Model From Three Decades Ago.
CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO"
++++++
Sold by PES, Sterlings site.
Now I understand why Sterling is defending milo.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 11:32:59 AM
E-mail: nsapao@nsa.gov
I was wondering if anyone in your office was aware of the website listed below and the information on it regarding the NSA.
This is being posted at various places on the internet.
Thank You.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Sterling, can state which "congressmans " office you contacted that verified that NSA was at "MYLOW'S" house on April 3rd?
Or should I simply forward the NSA email to each of them in Illinois?
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
I'm self employed.
Don't you think the NSA and the unamed "congressman" deserve a chance to answer the allegations being made?
Wouldn't you like to know the truth?
Yes, by all means. I would LOVE to know the TRUTH !
Do you think a government employee will tell you?
While you are asking, find out where our bailout money went- ok?
"Congressman Concerned about MIB Incident
I was phoned this morning by [JB (not John Bedini)], who was asked by U.S. Congressman
- to look into this MIB incident with Mylow. He said the Congressman was going to be mentioning the incident in a Committee for Homeland Security meeting later this morning."
Quoted from this website"
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Dear Rep. Thompson,
I was curious if you were aware of the above statement listed on the website link I have provided.
Has this issue ever been brought up in any meeting or hearing by the Committee on Homeland Security?
In your opinion, is this statement a valid one.
Thanks For your assistance.
U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Homeland Security
Chairman Rep Thompson (D MS)
176 Ford House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 226-2616
Fax: (202) 226-4499
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 12:19:10 PM
"Congressman Concerned about MIB Incident
I was phoned this morning by [JB (not John Bedini)], who was asked by U.S. Congressman - to look into this MIB incident with Mylow. He said the Congressman was going to be mentioning the incident in a Committee for Homeland Security meeting later this morning."
Quoted from this website"
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Dear Rep. Thompson,
I was curious if you were aware of the above statement listed on the website link I have provided.
Has this issue ever been brought up in any meeting or hearing by the Committee on Homeland Security?
In your opinion, is this statement a valid one.
Thanks For your assistance.
U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Homeland Security
Chairman Rep Thompson (D MS)
176 Ford House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 226-2616
Fax: (202) 226-4499
PS
Another forum member wants to know where our bailout money went, and to whom.
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 12:08:40 PM
Yes, by all means. I would LOVE to know the TRUTH !
Do you think a government employee will tell you?
While you are asking, find out where our bailout money went- ok?
Obviously, we are supposed to believe " congressman x" is on the right side. If I read Sterlings website info correctly He was "Concerned".
All this stuff about Sterling Allen / Peswiki "selling the plans" is pointless. He is also offering them for free here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans .
It takes money to do this stuff, especially print, stuff envelopes, ect. If there is a large volume and it turns out to be thousands of dollars in time, materials cost and bandwidth... How else could he recoup it? He is running a business not a social organization...Lol i bet that if such a not-for-profit org was set up for all this, there would be no donations to it from the peanut gallery here ;)
And he has offered to send plans for free, too (for "shipping only" i presume)... if the person has no money to pay and can't download them.
Look, the guy is doing the best he can: We can disagree with his tactics (...lol, I do..), but i don't disagree with his goals or challenge his motives and integrity.
...And i'm not a "communist" lol: A guy has a right to earn a living, while still doing what he believes to be good work beneficial to the Planet. That's called "Enlightened Self-Interest"... And it beats hell out of "selfish greed" every time. More people should try it: It can be a very rewarding life;)
"...Next?"
Regarding what needs to be done next: We need independent verification of the statement of "JB" regarding how a U.S. Congressional Aid confirmed the NSA visit (no offense to JB or Sterling: But this is the Internet and no matter who said it, verification will be needed for it to be taken seriously by anyone). So we need the name of the Congressperson or at least the District number (there are probably at least 5 or 6 U.S. House Districts in the Chicago area). Then emails or calls to the Office may be able to gain a second verification of this (contact me please "JR" with the US Congressperson's name and i will attempt it).
Lol, and remember it is possible that the N.S.A. did suppress it, and the thing still doesn't work (...Stranger things have happened, and probably will yet here ;) )
So we need those replications, and then if proved, the "suppressions" can be used to advantage ;)
Mylow got a good deal. I was asked to give 60% of any profits to Sterling's group from our LaFonte Group Perpendicular Magnetics Motor.
That's very in-consistant.
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 12:19:10 PM
Dear Rep. Thompson,
I was curious if you were aware of the above statement listed on the website link I have provided.
Has this issue ever been brought up in any meeting or hearing by the Committee on Homeland Security?
In your opinion, is this statement a valid one.
Thanks For your assistance.
U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Homeland Security
Chairman Rep Thompson (D MS)
176 Ford House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 226-2616
Fax: (202) 226-4499
___________
Hi Ellubpt,
Good work ;)
If i may ask, where did you get the Congressperson's name "Thomson" from
( as it was not in Sterling's comments) ?
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on April 07, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Mylow got a good deal. I was asked to give 60% of any profits to Sterling's group from our LaFonte Group Perpendicular Magnetics Motor.
That's very in-consistant.
Butch LaFonte
Have you actually BUILT something ? I've seen your experiments and digital art, but nothing running in a video.
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on April 07, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Mylow got a good deal. I was asked to give 60% of any profits to Sterling's group from our LaFonte Group Perpendicular Magnetics Motor.
That's very in-consistant.
Butch LaFonte
I think the MIB/NSA , Congressman thing mentioned on the "sales" page is a selling point. I would just like to know if the information I may base my buying decision on is factual or fraudulent.
Hopefully not fraudulent. That is what I am trying to confirm with the NSA and the Committee on Homeland security now.
A list of all congressional representitives in Illinois available on Wikipedia , along with their office e-mail addresses.
Looks like Mylow got a better deal, Butch.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
___________
Hi Ellubpt,
Good work ;)
If i may ask, where did you get the Congressperson's name "Thomson" from
( as it was not in Sterling's comments) ?
I went to the website for the committee on homeland security.
Contact info is there, along with meeting schedules and notes.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 07, 2009, 12:19:10 PM
"Congressman Concerned about MIB Incident
I was phoned this morning by [JB (not John Bedini)], who was asked by U.S. Congressman - to look into this MIB incident with Mylow. He said the Congressman was going to be mentioning the incident in a Committee for Homeland Security meeting later this morning."
Quoted from this website"
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
Dear Rep. Thompson,
I was curious if you were aware of the above statement listed on the website link I have provided.
Has this issue ever been brought up in any meeting or hearing by the Committee on Homeland Security?
In your opinion, is this statement a valid one.
Thanks For your assistance.
U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Homeland Security
Chairman Rep Thompson (D MS)
176 Ford House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 226-2616
Fax: (202) 226-4499
Thanks for seeking the truth brother! I wish there were more people such as yourself. Can you send me Thompson's email address? I would also like to send him an email.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 07, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
Thanks for seeking the truth brother! I wish there were more people such as yourself. Can you send me Thompson's email address? I would also like to send him an email.
PL
Here is the website for the committee on homeland security and the website for chairman Thompson.
http://homeland.house.gov/about/index.asp
http://benniethompson.house.gov/
There is a old saying "don't shoot the messenger". Let's not blame Sterling for what Mylow has told him. If there is fault to be found here it is with Mylow and Mylow only. If Mylow's claimes are real (yet to be proven) then Sterling reports have been spot on. If not then again he is simply reporting his converstations with Mylow nothing more , time will tell.
Sterling is a proven friend and advocate of the FE community.
Bill
Here's the contact page for Bennie Thompson -->
https://forms.house.gov/benniethompson/contact-form.shtml
Quote from: billmehess on April 07, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
There is a old saying "don't shoot the messenger". Let's not blame Sterling for what Mylow has told him. If there is fault to be found here it is with Mylow and Mylow only. If Mylow's claimes are real (yet to be proven) then Sterling reports have been spot on. If not then again he is simply reporting his converstations with Mylow nothing more , time will tell.
Sterling is a proven friend and advocate of the FE community.
Bill
Bill, I am not blaming Sterling. I would simply like to know if the information he is reporting on his sales page is accurate.
This Congressperson Thompson may indeed be on the Committee but still may not be the same one that "JR" was in contact with (....unless someone here knows for sure otherwise... There are usually 9 or more peeps on such a Committee). This means that mentioning a prior correspondence between "his secretary" and "JB" may get nowhere.... So the actual name of the US House Mem in question may still be required for a verification if the conversation took place... Unless this guy verifies the NSA event happened anyway and makes it moot (but if this Thompson is not the same person, he could feel it is a "secret" and not confirm it, or he may honestly know little or nothing about it).
It would usually be easier to get a confirmation of a prior admission (when the person in question knows they could possibly be caught lying if they try to deny it now), than to get a another admission out of someone new.
So we may still need the actual Congressperson's name who talked with JB to get anywhere at all with this.
Is any one going to contact the NSA to see if they showed up??
Hell why would NSA show up??
Why the hell would they bother with a lawyer to show up??
Do you folks even know what NSA does??
Just how much interference does that thing put out in EMF? Could it have been construed as an encrypted signal, or interrupting an existing signal??
A toy magnet motor that is already all over the internet?? Sorry it does not ring up as true to me. I will have to wait and see what others find out. Hell the story may be real, and the guy not.. Again a possibility. This is just a amusing story . I love it.
.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 07, 2009, 02:46:08 PM
Is any one going to contact the NSA to see if they showed up??
Hell why would NSA show up??
Why the hell would they bother with a lawyer to show up??
Do you folks even know what NSA does??
Just how much interference does that thing put out in EMF? Could it have been construed as an encrypted signal, or interrupting an existing signal??
A toy magnet motor that is already all over the internet?? Sorry it does not ring up as true to me. I will have to wait and see what others find out. Hell the story may be real, and the guy not.. Again a possibility. This is just a amusing story . I love it.
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I bet the NSA is watching this site.
How about it Stefan Hartmann ? Will you take a look at your server stats log and see if there are any IP's from the US Gov showing up. (it's easy, I do it daily to see who's hitting my site). I was able to see all of you until Stefan took my avatar off.
Do a dns lookup: http://www.internic.net/whois.html and let us know...
Just pulled this off my server stat log:
128.156.10.80 ( cerf.grc.nasa.gov )
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
Country:
UNITED STATES
Region:
OHIO
City:
CLEVELAND
Zipcode:
44101
Hits:
13
Wonder what NASA is doing scanning MY site?
I'm sure the government does, but I bet they can do so anonymously.
If instances like FBI or god know what else organizations some of you guys don't trust would monitor this forum then certainly they would not do that via their normal IP track.
There are very easy ways to circumvent IP monitoring, e.g. using a proxyserver.
Quote from: robbie47 on April 07, 2009, 03:19:24 PM
If instances like FBI or god know what else organizations some of you guys don't trust would monitor this forum then certainly they would not do that via their normal IP track.
There are very easy ways to circumvent IP monitoring. It's called "proxy" technology.
Why would 'they' care about being sly? It's 'their' internet and don't need to justify anything. 'They' are not breaking any laws by monitoring websites anymore than you are when you 'browse'...
Remember, 'they' gave the internet to us.
This forum is not about US users only. I even think that the founder lives in Germany.
I've never heard of visiting mambo jambo agents after an open source good idea in my country.
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
Why would 'they' care about being sly? It's 'their' internet and don't need to justify anything. 'They' are not breaking any laws by monitoring websites anymore than you are when you 'browse'...
Remember, 'they' gave the internet to us.
They did, indeed. It was called ARPANet back when the NSF (a front for you know who) started it.
They don't 'need' to be 'sly' it is already built into the system.
I doubt much website monitoring is going on. The most efficient practice is to create a 'honeypot' so all the needed talk comes to one place for easy recording/monitoring.
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Careful. Now we're talking about a group with the motto "In GOD we trust ALL OTHERS we monitor". AND that is just for the SIGINT and ELINT factions ;D
Do we think 'they' are just into SIGINT and ELINT? Don't assume anything.
If the NSA was watching (they normally only record everything except when triggers fire) there is no one on this forum that could detect it. Government IPs? Give me a break. Our IPs weren't traceable even when I was working for the 'Big Daddy'.
'IF' any actions have fired triggers 'they' only need to look-up info on any one of us because they already have it all.
Don't think a WiFi link on an open network is of any concern either.
I suggest this part of the conversation end. Don't wake the sleeping dog. HE BITES but the normal action is to deny, deny, deny.
Oh! There are no boundries. There has always been a lot of back-scratching across borders, if they are caught ;)
Like I've said for a long time, this and other similar forums would be the last place I would post the grand smoking gun. There's no need to take the chance. Supposedly this place is the best to get replicators, but would they replicate the real deal? On the other hand, I'd bet anything that if I walked down the street, showed a live in person demo of the real deal, that I could get at least a few people to replicate it if doesn't cost more than say $1000 in parts. I know of a lot of places where open-minded people hang out that would replicate such a legit machine if you're willing to show everything. Just hand out a lot of DVD's. It's a numbers game. At the end of the day, then go ahead and make your post to overunity.com. If the MIB's get you on the way home, :-(, the make sure your DVD asks someone to make sure it's posted here.
IMO, the completed and verified grand smoking gun has not been posted at this site, so we don't know what would happen to such a person. No need to take the chance on finding out.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 07, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Like I've said for a long time, this and other similar forums would be the last place I would post the grand smoking gun. There's no need to take the chance.
PL
Agreed.
This conversation is now about wrestling with smoke. It is silly and fruitless. Any two-bit lawyer from Chicago could get a positive ID on any poster in 30 minutes or less. The NSA need not be bothered.
Like I said before... if any of my former comrades are watching it is for comedy only. They know we are a snake eating itself from the tail to the head.
As for the NASA IP showing up on an access list.... They get caught browsing overunity.com on company time it'll probably have a negative effect on the next pay evaluation.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 07, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
IMO, the completed and verified grand smoking gun has not been posted at this site, so we don't know what would happen to such a person. No need to take the chance on finding out.
Nope. Hasn't happend yet. When it does this domain will suddenly point to a [insert nasty name here] site or some other unrelated web page. Poor Harti won't have a clue ;)
Quote from: i_ron on April 06, 2009, 06:21:34 PM
X00013, thank you for posting this video. It confirms my caution with this whole episode. The very
first video mylow posted gave me reason to doubt as he positioned it at the "sweet spot" and the
rotor just started to run. I have never seen so little hunting in any gate I have built. But the final proof
for me was the last video where he stops it with his hand, and inadvertently I am sure, he stops it right on a "sweet spot" and the rotor does not start when he lifts his hand... why?
He said that the device with the new stator is not self starting.
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 12:33:25 PM
Have you actually BUILT something ? I've seen your experiments and digital art, but nothing running in a video.
Mr. Pinestone,
Please send me an email address where I can send you the over 100 videos of over 100 different running machines our group has BUILT.
Also, please, if you don't mind, send me your videos of your machines you have BUILT, I would be interested in seeing them. My email address is below.
Thanks so much,
Butch LaFonte
The LaFonte Group
lafontegroup@charter.net
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on April 07, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
Mr. Pinestone,
Please send me an email address where I can send you the over 100 videos of over 100 different running machines our group has BUILT.
Also, please, if you don't mind, send me your videos of your machines you have BUILT, I would be interested in seeing them. My email address is below.
Thanks so much,
Butch LaFonte
The LaFonte Group
lafontegroup@charter.net
You don't have to send me any pictures. Can't you just post a link to where your videos are ?
Thanks
And, I've never claimed to build any working magnetic motors. I've tried, but without success.
Mr Lafonte,
If you have a running machine it would be very obvious that if you posted it here, allowed someone to inspect it (perhaps PL or Omnibus) then the argument would be over and you would be a National hero.
In fact if Sterling saw it and it worked he would already have $25 plans to build it for sale, perhaps even if it did not work Sterling might also have plans for sale.
I think there are a lot of very good people here that deserve better than this constant noise of unsupported claims of people having one (a working ou machine) in their garage.
you do not need to send a 100 videos to anyone, just one clear one showing just one working machine will get you heaps of attention.
Phil H
Quote from: dragon on April 07, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
He said that the device with the new stator is not self starting.
This is true, but what I was alluding to is in any gate I have built the stator and rotor are never inert.
There is always some interaction to a favored position either forwards or backwards. When he stopped
the rotor it just went dead. I found that in need of an explanation.
Ron
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 06, 2009, 11:03:59 PM
"...the Congressman's secretary confirmed that an NSA visit did indeed take place with Mylow on Friday."Oh this is to **** good.
Can we know the name of the Congressman to verify it?
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
You don't have to send me any pictures. Can't you just post a link to where your videos are ?
Thanks
And, I've never claimed to build any working magnetic motors. I've tried, but without success.
Truth be told. The Lafonte Group has built countless of Butch designs. Unlike Mylows, the Lafonte Group posted unambiguous videos of these replications. Like Mylow, none of the all magnet systems works, which is to be expected. The ones involving some switching mechanisms and electromagnets work though not OU, which is to be expected also.
Miki Out.
@Mylow, last 3 pages LMAO, MIB, FBI, NSA,
Get urself 1
http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:t103akQCbW8J:world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm+buy+m16+sellers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Did i mention buy a gun? Post a good vid and you will have your guns.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 07, 2009, 04:08:57 AM
@ chrisC:
Slipstream has the jurisdictional issues correct as I know them to be. This is not their area at all. Now, did someone show up and flash false credentials of the NSA? I don't know and can't say. It does happen but most of the time, it is at a bar when a guy is attempting to pick up a nice looking woman. All of the "spooky" guys I know (retired) do not go around saying...."Bob smith NSA" or, fill in the letters of the agency. I am still not making any judgment on Mylow or his device here as I do not have enough information, as none of us really do. Now if we are talking about probabilities, my vote is that it was all a sham. Many have analyzed the videos and timing as well as other very good observations of the story that does not "fit". I am leaning on agreeing with them at this point. The NSA has nothing to do with devices that "might" upset the economy as was previously stated. Big red flag to me.
Bill
All this is quite correct. NSA is all about signals intercept and analysis. And there are too many red flags a Pirate suggests. Stiriling has got to be feeding us BS. He is already righteously under fire for selling very sketchy/questionable plans. Too bad.
Unlike the C.I.A. who is not supposed to operate within the border of the U.S. (but still does, as whistleblowers have come forward to state.. One of the things they do is here is vett what makes it onto the national mainstream media.. One of the reasons Free Energy devices are never mentioned there unless proved a fraud first lol); the NSA has very little restraints in what it does. It is by far the largest of the U.S. intelligence agencies with the biggest budget. Who knows if it was really them or if it really happened at all, but it could have been.
I've personally been to Ft. Meade, and to get Security Clearance, i talked to some of their agents for a long time... And i can tell you all that they don't mess around one little bit ;) . I remember one of the questions was if my spare boards i had with me had any "Memory" in them; to which i stupidly replied "Yes"... Which kept me sweating in a little room for another hour trying to explain that it wasn't "that kind of memory" lol. Three hours of security check for a 20 minute board swap ;)
Sterling Allen is reporting honestly what he knows in this matter, if he was lied to or not is a different question ;)
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
You don't have to send me any pictures. Can't you just post a link to where your videos are ?
Thanks
And, I've never claimed to build any working magnetic motors. I've tried, but without success.
You said running machines, not self sustaining or proven overunity machines. These were attempts or test designs. We research, design and then we build to test and just like every other person in this business we have not had a true self runner to date. So I guess that puts us in the same boat with everyone else with the exception that we may have made more attempts than anyone else.
We try to do hands on research and work and less typing or talking. But one thing I'm starting to realize is that giving all this information out from our research is not appreciated and a waste of our time, money and energy. We will not be doing it in the future.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: Philip Hardcastle on April 07, 2009, 06:33:09 PM
Mr Lafonte,
If you have a running machine it would be very obvious that if you posted it here, allowed someone to inspect it (perhaps PL or Omnibus) then the argument would be over and you would be a National hero.
In fact if Sterling saw it and it worked he would already have $25 plans to build it for sale, perhaps even if it did not work Sterling might also have plans for sale.
I think there are a lot of very good people here that deserve better than this constant noise of unsupported claims of people having one (a working ou machine) in their garage.
you do not need to send a 100 videos to anyone, just one clear one showing just one working machine will get you heaps of attention.
Phil H
He said running machines, not self sustaining or proven overunity machines. These were attempts or test designs. We research, design and then we build to test and just like every other person in this business we have not had a true self runner to date. So I guess that puts us in the same boat with everyone else with the exception that we may have made more attempts than anyone else.
We try to do hands on research and work and less typing or talking. But one thing I'm starting to realize is that giving all this information out from our research is not appreciated and a waste of our time, money and energy. We will not be doing it in the future.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quoteauthor=Butch LaFonte
We try to do hands on research and work and less typing or talking.
So, no link to movies? :(
Could you click on my name & send me a couple of images to the email address in my profile?
Thanks
Quote from: jibbguy on April 07, 2009, 07:51:57 PM
the NSA has very little restraints in what it does. It is by far the largest of the U.S. intelligence agencies with the biggest budget.
It is and always has been the hub of the intelligence community. The Office of Homeland Security may think they are the hub. I'm sure the majority of the NSA budget is not known by more than 4 people.
Quote
I've personally been to Ft. Meade
Ever go to the 'Slipper Club'? It should still be there. Not well known but where those who know go.
I thought the only outside contractor (IT types) that are allowed in was URS. They all already have clearances.
3 Hours is pretty good. You must have been changing a board in one of the public cafeterias. ;)
Now that some one has posted what NSA does primarily, why would they show up, and go through a lawyer to begin with??
Hmm was all this stuff a system of transferring information encrypted to some one else and we and others were used to cover it??
I might really have to dissect some videos it seems. LOL only if such as NSA is verified as going there. It is also possible the Em fields he was producing mimicked a system under observation, yet such would still not have been done through a lawyer.
Hell maybe it was an NSA dude that is interested in Magnet motors, and over stepped his bounds to get at it..
Like I said a fun game this is turning out to be.
After 200 pages of posts, with the last dozen or so containing innuendos, melodrama and other BS, I think it's time this thread is closed.
That is it would've been closed IF we had a real administrator and a group of moderators on this forum, but since we don't, I bet this will continue for another 200 pages. :)
Quote from: pinestone on April 07, 2009, 08:53:42 PM
So, no link to movies? :(
Could you click on my name & send me a couple of images to the email address in my profile?
Thanks
I sent two movies and got this.
See attached
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 07, 2009, 09:37:29 PM
Hell maybe it was an NSA dude that is interested in Magnet motors, and over stepped his bounds to get at it..
That is the most logical & funny thing I have heard yet 8)
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Most logical (if it is a real story) and "funniest" may be the way to put it.
Joe
Mylow phoned me in tears this morning, distraught and very scared.
He said that last night his lawyer (last name Kaplan [sp?; starts with a K]) brought with him a man in a dark suit and briefcase, who looked and acted very intimidating.
They took his motor, all his papers, and left him with a note warning him to not say anything about this or to tell anyone or to post any more videos but that it was in his best interest to just leave it alone.
Mylow was extremely rattled and cut the call short.
But first, I told him to not go into fear, but to send them love and forgiveness and light and to not let them scare him.
I got on the phone to some of my associates and was recommended that Mylow press charges because a criminal act was carried out against him.
Mylow then phoned back and said that his wife just called him and said that the lawyer and the guy brought all the stuff back in a box, with some of the magnets dislodged from the rotor. They told her, "Don't say anything about this. Just let it drop. It's 'just a toy'; keep it that way. Don't post any more videos on YouTube."
She called the police, who came over to arrest them, but the guy in the suit told the police something, and they then turned on Mylow's wife saying that they could arrest Mylow if he didn't comply.
This is what was said.
I don't believe a word of it.
Any police called to a house following a complaint like this would first ask the intruders for identification. Only then would they talk to these people and ask what the problem is. To take the word of an unidentified man and then warn the complainants is just not what police do, even in Chicago.
Hans von Lieven
..even in Chicago. ???
Chicago is known for..hmm..'Do this for me..I do that for you'..politics...Maybe a few Chicago City Police men and the Feds [NSA,FBI, whoever] made a 'bit of a deal'.."Here's $500 .. just go away.. this did not happen".
@ Hans:
100% Agreed.
Bill
If the police were called there is a recording of the call. They do not just dump them until after a time. If some one really want to verify this that is how to do so. This would be at the dispatch section.
@ Lost:
I believe you are correct, however, even though they have the information, it may take a subpoena (court order) for them to release it. Unless someone has a contact in that agency. I am asked to get this stuff once in a while....soemtimes I can....others...no.
Bill
These stories NSA, MIB, come on!...this is typical.. Mylow is the only witness again I guess... Well, is there one single working replica? If not, then I, as a clinical psychologist have to say, that it is not refuted that Mylow is a sociopath playing cruelley with our hopes. I myself, just like Tinselkoala and Claenzer, couldn't find any real effect with my tests, but I didn't use a conductive disc. I used four neo rods on a plate for a stator plus contact board, synthetic stuff for the rotor with snapper magnets on conductive plates glued to the disc. I thus could achieve a 350 degrees free autospin with a linear magnetism of all poles the same pointing inward - contrary to what Mylow claims that would work. But closing the loop arrests the case, as usually happens with this type of designs. I don't believe in them since my earliest tests with this, and I don't think this is going to change.
This grand scheme illusion all leads back to Tom Bearden and others who testify of Johnson's working machine. But no one of us can replicate it again... Maybe this type of design is the one of the scammer... Maybe believer Tom was the first victim... Brady, scammer number two in succession, presented his so-called Perendev p.o.s. that nobody could replicate. And now we have Mylow in the succession of this tradtion of scammers... I know this school of learning by now... Maybe I am professionally paranoid and in illusion and Mylow, Brady and Johnson are the messengers of the ether-God Vishnu. I say, inscrutable are His ways, yes, but Mylow's? Sterling comments that in Mylows "last video" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdS3SoDGPM the machine would slow down because of the magnet being depleted. Well that is pure bulltshit, we've never seen such a thing with a normal magnet! It is not a tank of gas or a battery! A precision bearing though easily spins this long with such a heavy disc and a proper push and thus runs naturally down as we see, but Mylow talks that away suddenly when that happens. A cheap magician's trick! Just compare the speeds during the video. The so-called speeding up can easily be faked with the end in reverse edited to the beginning, but with normal sounds continuing. Think of the so-called lego perpetuum mobile out on YouTube. The same trick. I wish Mylow was the chosen one to lead us out of illusion, but real science - and sane spirituality for that matter - always needs replication and scientific backup in a bonafide tradition of succession to verify a claim like this.
How can Sterling Allen now sell plans at Peswiki when there is no working replication? That is very wrong! Is he in denial of being cheated and is the sociopath that Mylow seems to be, as these guys always do, serving him again - for the second time notably - his own belief and illusion? Remember, this is typically sociopathic. These type of mental patients have their fun this way not considering the consequences. This fake 'therapy for the believer' with Mylow and his inane tradition must come to a stop, and will for sure, for what do we have next, may we buy one? Try instead the incredible water motor advertized here! Water depletion is cheaper when you buy it... This scamming is harmful for the real research and belief in a solution of the OU energy question. This is how sceptics are made, and I don't want to be part of it.
I enclose a picture of my set-up, I'll save you the video of it.
see also my research pages at: http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html
AnandAadhar
Quoteauthor=Butch LaFonte
I sent two movies and got this.
The mailbox has a 10M limit. I thought you were sending pix, not movies.
Make them smaller & they'll get through.
Thanks
@AnandAadhar
"If not, then I, as a clinical psychologist have to say, that it is not refuted that Mylow is a sociopath playing cruelley with our hopes."
Sorry but as a "clinical psychologist" you should know better then to pronounce such statements without doing a proper one-to-one. This is totally out of line and free judgment that is endemic to many members on this board and especially on this thread.
Why can't you guys just use your brains before you quickly write something down and post it. Why can't you just re-read your post, understand what you are saying, purporting, accusing and implying. What is it in your mind that allows you to just spew out every little angst and fancy. Where do you get off being so holy and all mighty that you think all you have to do is post some words and think it is real.
Sorry but if someone needs some help, you should maybe look in the mirror.
OK so you made a Mylow wheel replication. Two magnets per rotor is not good because you have created two blotch walls per rotor whereas channel magnets only have one. Is that easy to understand. Why would you equate your build not working with Mylow being a fake.
What's really wrong with @Sterlinga knowing that there are more builders out there that will never consider going through 200 something odd pages of "mostly" (because some here do care) pure crap to find out how to build a Mylow Wheel when they can buy a 25$ plan that is the best known and accurate plan of his build. Do you think everyone is that stupid and has hours and hours to spend in pure verbal torture. Well then get with the program boys because this is the real world and serious people do not have the time to waste. @Sterlinga knows this is the only way because once this thread dies out, as it surely will and only merits, then the only thing keeping this idea alive will be his efforts. So don't give me this holier then holy bit that selling a plan is bad, profiteering, or whatever.
Maybe I should sell some plans on how to do a self-inflicted lobotomy. Maybe this will help some of the brainiacs here get with the program. As soon as you leave the realm of common courtesy, you not only insult the inventor, but also insult members of this forum because any of us could be on the receiving end from one day to the next with a new discovery. Most are just acting like a bunch of animals with verbal skills.
Look Ma, I can write. Yeh but can you think before you write, or read and think of the impact before you post. No, why should I. What's gonna happen. Ahhh it's all pure junk.
We had in the past banned members here like @Humbugger for only 5% off what was dished out on this one thread and let me tell you, things are gonna change. Stay tuned.
This thread is a perpetual motion machine!
Quote from: wattsup on April 08, 2009, 08:06:57 AM
@AnandAadhar
"If not, then I, as a clinical psychologist have to say, that it is not refuted that Mylow is a sociopath playing cruelley with our hopes."
Sorry but as a "clinical psychologist" you should know better then to pronounce such statements without doing a proper one-to-one. This is totally out of line and free judgment that is endemic to many members on this board and especially on this thread.
Why can't you guys just use your brains before you quickly write something down and post it. Why can't you just re-read your post, understand what you are saying, purporting, accusing and implying. What is it in your mind that allows you to just spew out every little angst and fancy. Where do you get off being so holy and all mighty that you think all you have to do is post some words and think it is real.
Sorry but if someone needs some help, you should maybe look in the mirror.
OK so you made a Mylow wheel replication. Two magnets per rotor is not good because you have created two blotch walls per rotor whereas channel magnets only have one. Is that easy to understand. Why would you equate your build not working with Mylow being a fake.
What's really wrong with @Sterlinga knowing that there are more builders out there that will never consider going through 200 something odd pages of "mostly" (because some here do care) pure crap to find out how to build a Mylow Wheel when they can buy a 25$ plan that is the best known and accurate plan of his build. Do you think everyone is that stupid and has hours and hours to spend in pure verbal torture. Well then get with the program boys because this is the real world and serious people do not have the time to waste. @Sterlinga knows this is the only way because once this thread dies out, as it surely will and only merits, then the only thing keeping this idea alive will be his efforts. So don't give me this holier then holy bit that selling a plan is bad, profiteering, or whatever.
Maybe I should sell some plans on how to do a self-inflicted lobotomy. Maybe this will help some of the brainiacs here get with the program. As soon as you leave the realm of common courtesy, you not only insult the inventor, but also insult members of this forum because any of us could be on the receiving end from one day to the next with a new discovery. Most are just acting like a bunch of animals with verbal skills.
Look Ma, I can write. Yeh but can you think before you write, or read and think of the impact before you post. No, why should I. What's gonna happen. Ahhh it's all pure junk.
We had in the past banned members here like @Humbugger for only 5% off what was dished out on this one thread and let me tell you, things are gonna change. Stay tuned.
I believe that change will come with sincere experimental endeavor. But I also believe now, in agreement with with Hans von Lieven and others just posting before me, that this is a scam. I think that to continue believing in Mylow is more harmful to the cause than not doing so. I don't give him the advantage of doubt anymore. If you want to, that is your matter. As a psychologist I am perfectly entitled to protect people just like you against this type of illusions. Especially when you are this agressive about my stance. Now, that is really harmful. Us quarreling this way about something that is most likely a scam. This forum must be open to such options and thus also allow such discussions. I honestly tried Mylow, and considering what he is doing now, I rest my case and return to my own IPMM project. I maintain that your offensive attitude about my justified remarks is uncalled for. A one to one is not needed when there is proof of conscious manipulation of at least two observers. Sterling and von Lieven were both approached and manipulated by Mylow. They differ in opinion about him and I, from the personal testimony of von Lieven take sides with him. There is nothing wrong with that and that is how it goes. If you don't like it, let it be. Nevertheless, I hope you are right that this thing maybe another way is possible and that Johnson is an authentic to be trusted authority. But I have my doubts about him, we are never totally sure until we replicate namely, whatever the testimony. So, the opposite option mustn't be denied either. Fact is that we can't replicate as yet. Till then I rest my case, whatever you say. This thing doesn't work for me and all the others who tried this or another way, apart from Mylow. Not with the proper materials like Claenzer proved, not with all the skills we have like with Tinselkoala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWt9Llklyg&feature=channel_page) has, who also doubts whether Mylow is feasable. Study these guys also. That's why I wrote my comments. So that you look at it from both sides, not just one. If you want to worship someone, go and find Jesus. Mylow though is a normal mortal subject to scrutiny.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 08, 2009, 08:39:33 AM
This thread is a perpetual motion machine!
More like a Perpetual Bullshit Machine.
Good thing I got my Cyber Boots on.
Brad
Perpetual motion doesnt mean it has the power to run anything , add an alternator you'll see how pathetic this mahine is .
Useless machine .
Quote from: wattsup on April 08, 2009, 08:06:57 AM
@AnandAadhar
and let me tell you, things are gonna change. Stay tuned.
wattsup, watt do you know that you are not telling us?
Watt is the url of the builders group for this, please, I haven't found it.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on April 08, 2009, 10:41:11 AM
Watt is the url of the builders group for this, please, I haven't found it.
Ron
Hi Ron,
I think this thread is here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.0
rgds, Gyula
Hi all,
I do believe this entire thread should be trashed as it is mostly just that.
AnandAadhar
QuoteNevertheless, I hope you are right that this thing maybe another way is possible and that Johnson is an authentic to be trusted authority. But I have my doubts about him, we are never totally sure until we replicate namely, whatever the testimony.
Howard Johnson has done in his life what you would not even be able to dream of attaining. You are a psychologist? What a lot of bullocks.
Hans Von Lieven is a great thinker but like everyone he could be in error and I don't think he would trash Howard Johnson and Tom Bearden like you did. Is Bedini the same because according to you he should be as he supports Howard Johnson and Tom Bearden's work.
Get a life, ask your mom for a few bucks and take a bus ride. People like you .......
Sanity is slowly evaporating from this forum and if something is not done soon, we will lose great minds like many already did. Place comment like those you posted here on the "Energetic Forum" and you would get your ass kick out immediately.
I hope you will change your attitude or else get a life somewhere else.
Take care all,
Michel
Come on, Dankie, You're a smart guy and have made many posts proving that... I think you probably know very well the importance of such a finding as this would be if proved valid (and why it has gained such attention here):
It certainly isn't in the measured torque of the device; it is in proving certain widely held concepts of Physics in general and magnetism in particular "wrong". Thus forcing mainstream science to openly study them further to address the errors... Despite their "success" in completely avoiding this subject for over 30 years now.
Or perhaps... Could you please point us to a Peer-Reviewed Scientific Paper in the mainstream debunking Howard Johnson's work? I think many here would be very interested in seeing such a publication ;) .
This is why such investigations are valuable whatever the result... Because we cannot trust them to be honestly done by the mainstream scientific community, for whatever reason. But the keys to doing "good science" would be:
> Using proper Scientific Method in doing the experiments, and leaving our preconceptions at the door.
> Accepting the results even if they do not meet our hopes or expectations.
Theories are rarely changed until clear empirical evidence forces them to be... And the only sure thing in Science is that throughout History so far, the current dogma and mainstream theories have ALWAYS been proved wrong ;)
I have gone over this thing a bit. The one video with iron fileings shows us all some thing going on with his stator magnet. Poles are wrong for the thing. Easy to see. On his taking so long to set this up may be more related to the demag of the stator magnet to such a position. One pole weak and the other strong. Yet this would go against his claim of being able to reverse it.
An interesting drawing was posted at a yahoo site.
http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagTrack.jpg
It does show the basics of this item. It shows the gate as a pole that has to be over come on the entrance. The push against it should be able to be seen by most. Think of his strange demag of his stator entering such, and one could see how the push against would be greatly reduced.
If this thing is working it is due to the deterioration of his stator magnet reducing the gate push against such might have some possibility. Either way the magnet and its connections shown in that video is interesting.
The question for replicators is can you get your stator magnet to do what was shown in that video? It is a strange effect. And if it is due to deterioration of the magnet, it is what would be different about this device I have not seen before. It also could answers the why it takes him so long to get it to a position to run. His magnets must deteriorate to the proper position for it to work.
ahh the aspect of trying to logically answer things I would not normally even bother with, yet that one video does show a strange thing with the stator magnet.
If some one desires to transfer this message to the replication section feel free to do so.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 08, 2009, 12:18:41 PM
I....
An interesting drawing was posted at a yahoo site.
http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagTrack.jpg
...
@lostcauses
Regarding the above referenced photo. I presume the arrangement represents a inner tube (glass) containing the single NS magnet and surrounded by the staggered 'no-air gap' inclined magnets? I have not read the context. Did this thing spin for any extended time?
Thanks for sharing.
cheers
chrisC
Not my drawing but is a standard rail system, I suspect it would spin if allowed to.
Waiting for my Mylow stator mags to arrive i have reconfigured my disk to play with the original config ..
i have been moving the 4/3 section around a bit trying to get some rotation going ..
Still no luck with this config .. despite many hours of play.
Mylow if you're reading .. any ideas ? ?
Rotor spacing = 6 mill.
Heres a closeup of the 4/3 section on the disk ..
Cheers
Queue
View of the whole disk ..
Cheers
Queue
Maybe Stefan should rename the red header in the upper right corner (for those who have not disabled it). It still says "Youtube user MYLOW121363 shows selfrunning permanent magnet motor !" People have mentioned this to Stefan. A day or so ago I sent Stefan a PM about it. There's zero evidence that it's self-running. We only have mylow's word, and video's which are easy to fake.
Why do the two people who control the free energy movement, Sterling & Stefan, keep advertising unverified machines?
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 08, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Maybe Stefan should rename the red header in the upper right corner (for those who have not disabled it). It still says "Youtube user MYLOW121363 shows selfrunning permanent magnet motor !" People have mentioned this to Stefan. A day or so ago I sent Stefan a PM about it. There's zero evidence that it's self-running. We only have mylow's word, and video's which are easy to fake.
PL
And rather anxious that everyone should know that Mylow is a fraud? Wouldn't you also like Stephan to rename it to: "PL demonstrates with mathematical and university professor certified overunity diode array crap!"?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Michelinho on April 08, 2009, 11:27:50 AM
Hi all,
I do believe this entire thread should be trashed as it is mostly just that.
AnandAadhar
Howard Johnson has done in his life what you would not even be able to dream of attaining. You are a psychologist? What a lot of bullocks.
Hans Von Lieven is a great thinker but like everyone he could be in error and I don't think he would trash Howard Johnson and Tom Bearden like you did. Is Bedini the same because according to you he should be as he supports Howard Johnson and Tom Bearden's work.
Get a life, ask your mom for a few bucks and take a bus ride. People like you .......
Sanity is slowly evaporating from this forum and if something is not done soon, we will lose great minds like many already did. Place comment like those you posted here on the "Energetic Forum" and you would get your ass kick out immediately.
I hope you will change your attitude or else get a life somewhere else.
Take care all,
Michel
Whatever you say, but we are not here just to talk, fulminate against people - other members notably - but also to experiment. Why don't we sincerely cooperate to figure out what is really going on with this thing? So the damn thing doesn't work. What Michael, have you done lately in this? Another lazy guy huh? I must get your life I presume mr Big Mouth. Get that life of the real experimenting yourself if you are any good in this business. You bully people who are honest and do something about it with their hands... And yes, Mylow makes me doubt Johnson. We never saw Johnson his engine work either in replication. We only know of heresay. I know he is an icon of the stature of Bedini and Bearden. I respect Bedini and Bearden for their accomplishments and contributions, but all belief is vulnerable, also theirs. They are no gods either. The whole Mylow thing casts a deep shadow over all associated with it, including over the level of this discussion and the respect shown here for other members. What you believe in moves your mouth. And this belief here is not a good lead at all by your example e.g.. Not good for the discussion and for the level of commitment either. Indeed this thrashing should end. I agree this all is unsavory, unworthy and bad. We are sad and musn't be angry with each other for the failure of this perpetual disappointment machine. Get over it.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 08, 2009, 11:39:55 AM
> Accepting the results even if they do not meet our hopes or expectations.
You're my kind of guy.. this is what I mean.
Quote from: queue on April 08, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
View of the whole disk ..
Cheers
Queue
I wish you success and really hope it will work with your faithfull replication. It really looks perfect your disc, the best since Claenzer i'd say. If not, then please don't curse me for calling Mylow a Fraud for what he did to Sterling Allen and Hans von Lieven, and join the club of the disappointed replicators growing here.
@ AnandAadhar,
QuoteWhat Michael, have you done lately in this? Another lazy guy huh? I must get your life I presume mr Big Mouth.
I am probably the only one to successfully replicate the Hans Kohler Magnetstromapparat in the last 50 years, made a beautiful and working Newman Motor, I also built a great axial flux alternator. I am currently building a working motor/generator and a power generating exercise bike among other things and doing so while partially being handicapped. :P
Take care,
Michel
Anand, please be careful with "Quotes" .
I dont mean to be overly "pickly", but this is a very slippery slope that this forum does not need to go down. So please edit your 2nd to last post to move your own comment out of the "quote" area ;)
Hi,
Is this thread is about generating HYPE?
If it is, we should do it like PROS :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl461mVrMFo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl461mVrMFo)
May the HYPE be with you.
Tracker
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Quote from: Michelinho on April 08, 2009, 01:58:58 PM
@ AnandAadhar,
I am probably the only one to successfully replicate the Hans Kohler Magnetstromapparat in the last 50 years, made a beautiful and working Newman Motor, I also built a great axial flux alternator. I am currently building a working motor/generator and a power generating exercise bike among other things and doing so while partially being handicapped. :P
Take care,
Michel
@ AnandAadhar
Hans Kohler Magnetstromapparat, wow! is there any chance you could post a video of the device?, even if its only doing a few hundred watt hours, I would sure like to see the basic structure. The others I don't care about, but Kohler now that would be of interest. Did you solve the sensitive tuning problem and the HiZ output requirement?
Dr Stiffler
Thats Michelinho
Chet
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 08, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Why do the two people who control the free energy movement, Sterling & Stefan, keep advertising unverified machines?
PL
They are advertising CLAIMS
Okay they are not fully investigated claims yet, but they are claims and they are not saying the are verified.
Come on Paul, if we did not report claims then their would be no FE community. I would be bored and have nothing to do ;D ;D
Cheers
Sean.
For purpose of my magnetic research, today I did two experiments on NdFeB magnets and compared the real measurements with FEMM predictions -->
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/04/08/femm-accuracy/
And a few people were asking me if it takes energy to degauss a magnet. Here's my blog on that -->
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/04/08/degaussing-cores/
PL
@ Dr Stiffler,
I do not claim that much power unfortunately. Here is the link for the early work:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6646.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6646.0)
Take care,
Michel
Hi Sterling and ALL,
I am getting emails like this:
===========
I was shocked (but not surprised) to see Sterling Allan selling to the public Mylow's Motor plans , before any proper validation or replication was done. Is this somehow in the spirit of the open source concept he is supposedly promoting? How is that different than other greedy, scruples individuals/groups we used to condemn, who make money from the naive public out of selling such FE devices plans/books/CDs on the internet, with the same disclaimer that if they don't work, it's your fault.
I get questions now if the story with the MIB that allegedly visited Mylow was just a fabrication in preparation to boost sales. What a stupid move, for a few bucks, discrediting something that may be real. Disgusting.
======================
Sterling, why don´t you book an airplane ticket to Chicago from
your over 1000 US$ sales income from the Mylow manual and see the Mylow
motor yourself in action ?
We really need to get eye witnesses to believe now if nobody could replicate it...
I think it was no good choice to publish this manual for sale.
Something like this should still be free.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 08, 2009, 06:14:25 PMSterling, why don´t you book an airplane ticket to Chicago from your over 1000 US$ sales income from the Mylow manual and see the Mylow motor yourself in action ?
That's a great idea!! Tickets from Utah to Illinois is a lot cheaper than $1000.
PL
Sterling,
Take the train.
It's safer, cheaper, and you don't have to stand around in your socks while waiting to board.
Also it gives plenty of time to prepare your questions and observations.
Cisco
@ Stefan:
Excellent idea sir! I concur. (For whatever that is worth)
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
@ Stefan:
Excellent idea sir! I concur. (For whatever that is worth)
Bill
I totally agree, great idea Stefan!
I await Sterling`s reply with interest...
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 08, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
Hi Sterling and ALL,
I am getting emails like this:
===========
I was shocked (but not surprised) to see Sterling Allan selling to the public Mylow's Motor plans , before any proper validation or replication was done. Is this somehow in the spirit of the open source concept he is supposedly promoting? How is that different than other greedy, scruples individuals/groups we used to condemn, who make money from the naive public out of selling such FE devices plans/books/CDs on the internet, with the same disclaimer that if they don't work, it's your fault.
I get questions now if the story with the MIB that allegedly visited Mylow was just a fabrication in preparation to boost sales. What a stupid move, for a few bucks, discrediting something that may be real. Disgusting.
======================
Sterling, why don´t you book an airplane ticket to Chicago from
your over 1000 US$ sales income from the Mylow manual and see the Mylow
motor yourself in action ?
We really need to get eye witnesses to believe now if nobody could replicate it...
I think it was no good choice to publish this manual for sale.
Something like this should still be free.
Regards, Stefan.
Here's how I responded by email:
Hi Stefan,
Remember. It IS for free on our open source site: http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
People are buying the plans from http://MylowPlans.com for convenience of not having to weed through so much stuff to get to the essence.
I've attached a set for your review.
password: ***
These are copyrighted.
I'm going to approach Mylow today about flying over to see what he's got. I think he'll let me in.
Sterling
======
Follow-up report being composed now.
Like ALOT of American Jobs, IMHO Sterling has provided a SERVICE... and a product. Like Microsoft and most of their Service/Products as one ...
Their licensing models act more like renting the product or as Microsoft providing a constantly updated service.
Edited:
And being that I value my time greatly, $25 for a detailed filtered report IMHO is a pretty good deal.
I also know for a fact there are JOBS created in companies (includig mine) for people to do pretty much what Sterling has done with the company's data. Summarize large quantities of data into information usable for others.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 08, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
Like ALOT of American Jobs, IMHO Sterling has provided a SERVICE... and a product. Like Microsoft and most of their Service/Products as one ...
Their licensing models act more like renting the product or as Microsoft providing a constantly updated service.
Edited:
And being that I value my time greatly, $25 for a detailed filtered report IMHO is a pretty good deal.
I also know for a fact there are JOBS created in company's (includig mine) for people to do pretty much what Sterling has done with the company's data. Summarize large quantities of data into information usable for others.
Anything interesting to report from your reproduction attempt?
Havent had time lately. Been waay too busy. hopefully I can get to it more this weekend. I do have my stator assembly made though.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 08, 2009, 09:49:23 PM
People are buying the plans from http://MylowPlans.com for convenience of not having to weed through so much stuff to get to the essence.
Hi Sterling,
I think the question really might be "why pay for a convenient package of something that has not been proven yet or replicated".
I'm just trying to figure all of this out. It seems the problem boils down to taking the word of one person, and saying it's a "WORKING DEVICE".
Just my thoughts.
Thanks!
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 08, 2009, 10:52:33 PM
I think the question really might be "why pay for a convenient package of something that has not been proven yet or replicated".
I'm just trying to figure all of this out. It seems the problem boils down to taking the word of one person, and saying it's a "WORKING DEVICE".
I would say a convenient package would assist in trying to replicate even if it's not proven (for those who haven't already read/viewed all the info on this topic). That is the whole point. People who want to try and replicate without weeding through the clustered mangled noise in this forum.
Otherwise, those wanting to replicate are forced to go through this mess...
I agree with Sterling's approach.
I've gotten a little behind in reporting on recent conversations with Mylow.
Last evening while we were talking on the phone, he got his unit running again. After the MIB incident, he had taken it apart and sent the disc and bearing base back to his brother. I had told him he needed to get that back. It belongs in a museum.
He later told me that he had shot four videos of it running on his glass table, but that his family was putting pressure on him to just stop working on all this stuff, as it is becoming too disruptive to his life and dangerous. They don't want him ending up dead. And his health is suffering as well, as he has been getting very little sleep.
Today, around 1:00pm, his wife called him to tell him that he got a package. It was another set of stator magnets that I had sent him before he asked me to stop doing that.
D. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/science.htm
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25". Price $8.95.
E. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/hardware/horseshoe.htm
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09". Price $4.99.
from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
ACH1950 $19.80.
He went home and began tinkering. By the time I talked to him around 7:30 pm Central, he was like a child in a candy factory. He was getting partial rotation, having found the right combination of rotor magnets. About 15 minutes later, he got full, continuous rotation.
He said 7279 was too small (might work with smaller stator?)
He said ACH1950 was one he might try getting enough of to try in the rotor. "The channel might be too close. Might not work."
But the one he was excited about in the stator position, was 7225, the long horse-shoe magnet that was 2" tall, with 3 lb pull.
When he first started playing with it, he began with the set of seven magnets. "What do you want to do?" In fiddling around, he saw that it "liked big gaps."
He said his arrangement with that magnet was a set of 4 magnets with a gap of 3/4" between them, followed by a gap of 3", then another set of 4 magnets.
It was spinning slowly (15-20 rpm is what we counted [him telling me when a complete revolution was finished, and me watching the clock]). In all, between 2-3 phone calls during this time, it was running at least 30 minutes continuous. He was going to keep it spinning to see how long it lasted.
He said the distance between the stator and rotor magnets was only about 1/4". He didn't dare go any closer lest things start banging into each other.
He said it was working really nice. It goes very smoothly by the 3" gap from one set of magnets to the next.
Even though it is running slowing, he said that it had a lot of force. It is harder to stop.
Before he got it running again, he remarked that the rotor channel magnets are getting quite weak now.
I encouraged him to shoot a video of it to document this arrangement at least. He's quite paranoid about videos at this point, for several reasons, including the MIB element and the awful chiding he gets from the skeptics.
He's going to send PMMTester a sample of his rotor magnet and of his old "iron" magnets, which he is wondering if they are actually iron.
He's puzzled that others haven't yet been able to replicate this effect.
It told him that perhaps he has a prodigy type of gift to be able to sense how to do this. And once he can use a magnet in the rotor that is available for others can order, then it will just be a matter of people copying what he's done exactly, and they won't be expected to have his gift for figuring out the proper magnet configuration.
"This thing acts like a weird species. Once you do something different [e.g. change stator magnet], the configuration change."
He said that while the disc was still empty, he tried the "spin-down test", and that it slowed down really quickly, stopping after just a couple of minutes after spinning it as fast as he could by hand.
He remarked about watching the Perendev motor, and wondered what would happen if crescent magnets were used instead.
Mylow said that he's still having nightmares; so profound; scary, wake up screaming; his wife calms him down. He sleeps with the shades down; spend most the time during the day even with the shades down. "I don't like that."
He said his brother told him that there was a story about him in the National Inquirer. Mylow couldn't tell if he was joking.
Mylow said he has now gotten four different variations (stator magnet types) to run. I'm remembering three (original "iron", HS811N, and now 07225). I'm not sure what the fourth one is, unless he's counting building the HS811N again last night after disassembling it.
"I can't believe nobody else figured this out in 30 years," he remarked, saying he was in awe, watching his rotor spinning round and round.
Below is an excerpt from an email from PMMTester.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: [PMMTester]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Proposition to Mylow; difficulty
Just talked to Mylow.
He was in good spirits.
He loves playing with the new magnets you sent him.
He said he spent around 8 hours playing and has come up with a configuration for the ACH1950 rotor channel magnets and the 07225 stator horseshoe magnet.
It is entirely different than the other configurations he has used.
It is sets of four now with 2 1/2".between sets.
He said the original channel magnets are almost dead now. When he puts them by the iron filings now they do not look the same.
They also do not clump together like they used to.
I mentioned you might send him some of the Eclipse channel magnets. He said he could probably configure them also.
He said the secret is that the rotor magnets have to go by smoothly. He certainly has the knack for smooth.
If you send him the Eclipse magnets he will also need another HS811N (or more) as the old one is almost dead now.
He again said that his partner is pretty understanding and as long as he gets his work done he can spend the rest of his day "playing".
[...]
He also said he does not believe that the original stator magnet is iron. His friend, that remagnetized it, told him it was so that is why he kept saying that it was iron. Almost all the paint is off of it now and the color and finish matches his other alnico magnets so he is certain it is alnico.
[..]
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: modificaiton of magnet order
I modified my order, per the following input, getting the two Felix recommended instead. I also ordered one: ACH1950 $19.80.
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
I'm curious to see how a channel magnet might perform in the stator position.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: felix
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rotor magnets
Thanks, Sterling.
Regarding HSPH1 and HSPH2 you just ordered, I find out HSPH1 is discontinued. Since you are not picky about size, I have these two in our warehouse:
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25". Price $8.95.
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09". Price $4.99.
We have $30 mini order, so will charge $5 handling fee if you buy these two. Please let me know.
Best Regards,
Felix Jiang
If the last report is any indication, I have no doubt that Sterling can imagine in no time a report of his encounter with Mylow. The outcome won't be surprising since Sterling has no choice than to confirm Mylow's device as working regardless of the truth. The truth is that an all permanent magnet machine is impossible.
Maybe Sterling should add some switching mechanism to the basic plan to improve and give the Mylow's machine a chance at success. That would be a more honorable thing to do.
Miki out.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 08, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
I would say a convenient package would assist in trying to replicate even if it's not proven (for those who haven't already read/viewed all the info on this topic). That is the whole point. People who want to try and replicate without weeding through the clustered mangled noise in this forum.
Otherwise, those wanting to replicate are forced to go through this mess...
I agree with Sterling's approach.
I see your point. But what if it was never real? How many times should we go through replicating, paying $100's for parts, and now on top of that instructions for something that may be as fake as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0&feature=PlayList&p=8F3B13E6FB706890&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
I've been spending money for 9 years on this FE stuff:) and am tired of scams. That's all. I hope the Mylow is real.. But doubt it.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 08, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
I see your point. But what if it was never real? How many times should we go through replicating, paying $100's for parts, and now on top of that instructions for something that may be as fake as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0&feature=PlayList&p=8F3B13E6FB706890&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
I've been spending money for 9 years on this FE stuff:) and am tired of scams. That's all. I hope the Mylow is real.. But doubt it.
Thanks,
Joe
A completely valid point... High Risk, High Return. Or no return at all.
That is why I chose an economical approach at my build. Try and find as many parts I could that were already in use...
I fully understand the monitary risk involved in something this unproven and time tested DISPROVEN technology.
I took a smaller risk than others in not following Mylow's exact model but went for more of a theoritical approach.
I don't believe I will have much luck, but I will try anyway.
I have allocated this as entertainment funds.
movie rentals and such.
Ty Sterlinga for the post and your continued efforts.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 08, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
Havent had time lately. Been waay too busy. hopefully I can get to it more this weekend. I do have my stator assembly made though.
Keep us posted :)
Quote from: sterlinga on April 08, 2009, 11:12:13 PM
I've gotten a little behind in reporting on recent conversations with Mylow.
Last evening while we were talking on the phone, he got his unit running again. After the MIB incident, he had taken it apart and sent the disc and bearing base back to his brother. I had told him he needed to get that back. It belongs in a museum.
He later told me that he had shot four videos of it running on his glass table, but that his family was putting pressure on him to just stop working on all this stuff, as it is becoming too disruptive to his life and dangerous. They don't want him ending up dead. And his health is suffering as well, as he has been getting very little sleep.
Today, around 1:00pm, his wife called him to tell him that he got a package. It was another set of stator magnets that I had sent him before he asked me to stop doing that.
D. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/science.htm
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25". Price $8.95.
E. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/hardware/horseshoe.htm
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09". Price $4.99.
from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
ACH1950 $19.80.
He went home and began tinkering. By the time I talked to him around 7:30 pm Central, he was like a child in a candy factory. He was getting partial rotation, having found the right combination of rotor magnets. About 15 minutes later, he got full, continuous rotation.
He said 7279 was too small (might work with smaller stator?)
He said ACH1950 was one he might try getting enough of to try in the rotor. "The channel might be too close. Might not work."
But the one he was excited about in the stator position, was 7225, the long horse-shoe magnet that was 2" tall, with 3 lb pull.
When he first started playing with it, he began with the set of seven magnets. "What do you want to do?" In fiddling around, he saw that it "liked big gaps."
He said his arrangement with that magnet was a set of 4 magnets with a gap of 3/4" between them, followed by a gap of 3", then another set of 4 magnets.
It was spinning slowly (15-20 rpm is what we counted [him telling me when a complete revolution was finished, and me watching the clock]). In all, between 2-3 phone calls during this time, it was running at least 30 minutes continuous. He was going to keep it spinning to see how long it lasted.
He said the distance between the stator and rotor magnets was only about 1/4". He didn't dare go any closer lest things start banging into each other.
He said it was working really nice. It goes very smoothly by the 3" gap from one set of magnets to the next.
Even though it is running slowing, he said that it had a lot of force. It is harder to stop.
Before he got it running again, he remarked that the rotor channel magnets are getting quite weak now.
I encouraged him to shoot a video of it to document this arrangement at least. He's quite paranoid about videos at this point, for several reasons, including the MIB element and the awful chiding he gets from the skeptics.
He's going to send PMMTester a sample of his rotor magnet and of his old "iron" magnets, which he is wondering if they are actually iron.
He's puzzled that others haven't yet been able to replicate this effect.
It told him that perhaps he has a prodigy type of gift to be able to sense how to do this. And once he can use a magnet in the rotor that is available for others can order, then it will just be a matter of people copying what he's done exactly, and they won't be expected to have his gift for figuring out the proper magnet configuration.
"This thing acts like a weird species. Once you do something different [e.g. change stator magnet], the configuration change."
He said that while the disc was still empty, he tried the "spin-down test", and that it slowed down really quickly, stopping after just a couple of minutes after spinning it as fast as he could by hand.
He remarked about watching the Perendev motor, and wondered what would happen if crescent magnets were used instead.
Mylow said that he's still having nightmares; so profound; scary, wake up screaming; his wife calms him down. He sleeps with the shades down; spend most the time during the day even with the shades down. "I don't like that."
He said his brother told him that there was a story about him in the National Inquirer. Mylow couldn't tell if he was joking.
Mylow said he has now gotten four different variations (stator magnet types) to run. I'm remembering three (original "iron", HS811N, and now 07225). I'm not sure what the fourth one is, unless he's counting building the HS811N again last night after disassembling it.
"I can't believe nobody else figured this out in 30 years," he remarked, saying he was in awe, watching his rotor spinning round and round.
Below is an excerpt from an email from PMMTester.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: [PMMTester]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Proposition to Mylow; difficulty
Just talked to Mylow.
He was in good spirits.
He loves playing with the new magnets you sent him.
He said he spent around 8 hours playing and has come up with a configuration for the ACH1950 rotor channel magnets and the 07225 stator horseshoe magnet.
It is entirely different than the other configurations he has used.
It is sets of four now with 2 1/2".between sets.
He said the original channel magnets are almost dead now. When he puts them by the iron filings now they do not look the same.
They also do not clump together like they used to.
I mentioned you might send him some of the Eclipse channel magnets. He said he could probably configure them also.
He said the secret is that the rotor magnets have to go by smoothly. He certainly has the knack for smooth.
If you send him the Eclipse magnets he will also need another HS811N (or more) as the old one is almost dead now.
He again said that his partner is pretty understanding and as long as he gets his work done he can spend the rest of his day "playing".
[...]
He also said he does not believe that the original stator magnet is iron. His friend, that remagnetized it, told him it was so that is why he kept saying that it was iron. Almost all the paint is off of it now and the color and finish matches his other alnico magnets so he is certain it is alnico.
[..]
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: modificaiton of magnet order
I modified my order, per the following input, getting the two Felix recommended instead. I also ordered one: ACH1950 $19.80.
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
I'm curious to see how a channel magnet might perform in the stator position.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: felix
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rotor magnets
Thanks, Sterling.
Regarding HSPH1 and HSPH2 you just ordered, I find out HSPH1 is discontinued. Since you are not picky about size, I have these two in our warehouse:
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25". Price $8.95.
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09". Price $4.99.
We have $30 mini order, so will charge $5 handling fee if you buy these two. Please let me know.
Best Regards,
Felix Jiang
hmmmmm, very interesting!
Fausto.
Am I allowed to post to this thread now or are posts still being censored? ::)
Quote from: plengo on April 09, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
hmmmmm, very interesting!
Fausto.
How soon does the first replication have to take place before we admit we were led on another scam path?
Quote from: chrisC on April 06, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
Hi Hans:
Did you know what happened to these 2 gentlemen from your backyard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&NR=1
Are they also 'fakes'? Sorry about this tangent post.
That video shows John Christie and Lou Brits from Lutec in Queensland. They have been promoting their OU motor since 2001.
http://www.keelynet.com/bedmot/cairns2.htm
You can buy shares in Lutec for $100,000 each according to their website.
TEN D CLASS SHARES IN LUTEC ARE NOW AVAILABLE TO SOPHISTICATED INVESTORS ONLY. PRICE IS AUD 100 000 EACH. APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE A LETTER FROM YOUR ACCOUNTANT CONFIRMING “SOPHISTICATED†INVESTOR STATUS.
I don't know if Sterling still thinks they are real. PESN is fairly neutral on Lutec. Everyone else thinks they are a Dennis Lee type con.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec
Sterling:
I have heard you on the radio and know of your efforts in the FE community, and I respect them. Stefan's idea for you to pay a visit to Mylow was a good one, and I am very glad to see that you are receptive to that. I will withold any further judgments until after this takes place. Thanks.
Bill
Quote from: wizardofmars on April 09, 2009, 12:52:09 AM
That video shows John Christie and Lou Brits from Lutec in Queensland. They have been promoting their OU motor since 2001.
http://www.keelynet.com/bedmot/cairns2.htm
You can buy shares in Lutec for $100,000 each according to their website.
TEN D CLASS SHARES IN LUTEC ARE NOW AVAILABLE TO SOPHISTICATED INVESTORS ONLY. PRICE IS AUD 100 000 EACH. APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE A LETTER FROM YOUR ACCOUNTANT CONFIRMING “SOPHISTICATED†INVESTOR STATUS.
I don't know if Sterling still thinks they are real. PESN is fairly neutral on Lutec. Everyone else thinks they are a Dennis Lee type con.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec
Thanks wizardofmars for the info. Much appreciate.
The video looked like their machines have great torque but then it's many years since 2001(?)
Thanks again.
cheers
chrisC
Tthe Peswiki page on Walker's HJ design (assumed non-working) (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/How2/index.html), describes the rotor (armature) and stator magnets as being markedly different than Mylow's. Granted, Walker's was supposedlty a 3 stator design, but it might be worth noting.
"Notice how the shape of the armature magnets are slightly concave shaped with their concave pointing down towards the drum like stator magnets in the artists depiction (no picture). This is important because at side view the stator magnets are thick in the middle and thin and pointed at each end to eliminate unwanted flux fields. The stator magnets are positive at one pointed end and negative at the its other pointed end.
The differences in Walker's and Mylow's stator shape are clear, and it might be worth noting that Mylow's rotors are neither concave nor convex. On side profile, there's a very slight slope from the inner top toward the inner center, but it looks like the (side profile) thickness is basically uniform throughout the rotor magnets.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ru8WcPgxo&eurl=http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Videos&feature=player_embedded)
Just thought I'd point it out.
Sterling, if Mylow does allow you to visit him, please take all the materials (magnets, disk with bearings etc) so that Mylow can you build you a working replica that you can take away with you!!
This would take all the heat off Mylow, and you could then publish your own youtube videos etc.
Quote from: Lakes on April 09, 2009, 06:01:47 AM
Sterling, if Mylow does allow you to visit him, please take all the materials (magnets, disk with bearings etc) so that Mylow can you build you a working replica that you can take away with you!!
This would take all the heat off Mylow, and you could then publish your own youtube videos etc.
That would be the definite test of making sure we have a genuine motor here. I agree. We need at least one working replica to be certain.
Sterling posted a 2 part video of an unsuccessful replication on You Tube today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHm2BcSbC0
Looks like he needs to change out the rotor magnets. Perhaps Mr Mylow can suggest working rotor mags for the replication plans .
Sterling had him different stators and Mylow found one that worked. Why not rotors too.?
It would be great idea if Sterling sent mylow all the parts (Aluminum disc, PM's, etc.), and had mylow build his machine, and then have mylow mail it back to Sterling.
I wonder when Sterling's going to ask mylow if and when he can fly out and see his machine.
PL
Quote from: wizardofmars on April 09, 2009, 12:52:09 AM
That video shows John Christie and Lou Brits from Lutec in Queensland. They have been promoting their OU motor since 2001.
http://www.keelynet.com/bedmot/cairns2.htm
You can buy shares in Lutec for $100,000 each according to their website.
TEN D CLASS SHARES IN LUTEC ARE NOW AVAILABLE TO SOPHISTICATED INVESTORS ONLY. PRICE IS AUD 100 000 EACH. APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE A LETTER FROM YOUR ACCOUNTANT CONFIRMING “SOPHISTICATED†INVESTOR STATUS.
I don't know if Sterling still thinks they are real. PESN is fairly neutral on Lutec. Everyone else thinks they are a Dennis Lee type con.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec
I sent Lutec an email last week asking what the current status of their products were.
I haven't heard anything yet.
It looks like the information on their site is a couple of years old, too.
Another 'flower' in the OU world blooms and dies on the vine...
Hmm lets see the NSA shows up take the original and can not get it to work. Now how long before others try before some one goes to see the Mylow machine. The idea of taking the material for a replication that can be removed from the area is also great.
Now the question will be if Mylow would allow such. This will be the telling of the situation it seems.
Follow up from http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/361
==========
Mylow just phoned me and said that his motor stopped at around 7:15 Central this morning; so it had run nearly 12 hours since last night when we talked.
He said that as it came to a stop it did not cog, but just gradually slowed to a stand still. It stopped where the stator was at the largest gap between magnet sets.
He said the slowing was very gradual the entire time, not sudden.
He said the rotor magnets are now essentially deal. They don't even attract iron filings, and they won't stick to each other.
This is the first time Mylow has let the motor run until it slows to a stand still.
What is amazing to me about this is that he could even get rotation with magnets that are so weak. To me, it tells us that the magnet strength level is not a crucial component. I'm guessing that the spacing between individual rotor magnets, and the gaps between rotor magnet sets is unique to the stator magnet size and relation. and that this may be a narrow window of operation with a much smaller tolerance for variation.
He did shoot a short video of it while it was still running.
He sent two rotor magnets and stator magnets to PMMTester this morning so that he can get the exact dimensions of them, and determine the composition of the first stator magnets.
Mylow is going to spend the next couple of days hunting for some new rotor magnets to put on. This will be a good time for him to find a magnet that not only he can use, but which after he gets it working (if that magnet works), he can give the part number and source so others can get the same magnet for their replication.
He did see the two videos I finally got posted from the "Bob" from Utah County replication:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County
He said he couldn't quite see the stator-rotor relation well enough to comment on why this configuration might not be working. I plan on playing with it after sending this report off.
Now that he doesn't have something running, the question of me flying to Chicago to see his motor is for now a moot point.
I should also mention that next week I'm being flown Estonia (former Eastern Block country) to give a presentation on Geothermal energy, featuring Raser, which is one of the Top 100 technologies in our listing at http://Top100Energy.com I'll be gone from the 15th through the 19th, but I will have access to the computer. I mention this to let you know that I will not be available to do anything by way of physical testing during that time. I sure would love to have a magnet motor to bring with me to show them on the side.
I hope Mylow will forgive me for sharing this next thing, but I think it is a fun part of the history to be included with this saga, looking at the dynamics of human emotions and responses to things like this. Shortly after the MIB incident, like a day or so after, he and his wife had quite an argument. She wants him to stop working on this. "It's causing problems." Mylow said that things got so heated in the exchange that she actually took a broomstick and started whacking the motor, making magnets fly off and such. He had to restrain her and calm her down. "We'll be okay. Just relax."
I would ditto that. The more open we are, and the less fearful, the better off we'll be. Bullies have no power when there is no fear, and the modus operandi stays in power through fear. A new world is coming, based on distributed power and individual responsibility and empowerment. Destiny is on our side. It's part of our collective human progression forward.
Keep up the great effort, everyone.
In answer to those who have criticized me for selling plans (an adjunct to what is available for free from our open source pages) even before Mylow's motor has been replicated by someone else, here are the reasons why I believe this thing (Mylow's replication of Howard Johnson's motor), starting with the most important to least.
* I've long believed in the possibility of an all-magnet motor being able to provide base-load power. It is not perpetual motion. It is harnessing some new aspect of magnetism that hasn't yet been appreciated by science, but will.
* Howard Johnson was required to have a working model in order to get a patent from USPTO. He has three patents.
* Mylow's design is very close to Howard Johnson's Stonehenge model.
* The myriad of videos Mylow posted are very convincing, showing acceleration followed by maintenance of an equilibrium speed, accompanied by very gradual slowing due to magnet depletion. Though not skeptic proof, the videos do reveal a lot and correlate with what Mylow has been telling us verbally.
* The movement of the motor as shown in Mylow's videos is consistent with what I would expect from a magnet motor.
* The audio elements in the videos are consistent with what is happening visually, and with what I've heard over the phone as we've talked.
* The partial replications that I've seen, exhibit similar (though not complete) movement to what is shown in Mylow's videos.
* Al Witherspoon said he saw Howard Johnson's motor running in 1978, and has been a friend/neighbors/business associate with HJ until he passed away last year. He is convinced Mylow's motor is for real.
* The level of skill required to pull off a hoax are far beyond what Mylow possesses, whether it be embedding hidden motors or induction or video editing or other means of giving the appearance that shows up in his videos. The background, between the lines, things that I've been able to pick up while talking to Mylow by phone have been consistent with what he has been telling me. He lives in an apartment, drives truck hauling things around Chicago, works near his residence, has a wife and twin brother, etc. These are not aspects that would be present if he had the level of skill required to fake all of this. And what would be his motive? He's not ever asked for money.
* Mylow has never once exhibited even the tiniest interest in getting money from this. It has been hard for me to even broach the subject with him. With many inventors, and certainly fraudsters, that's the first thing on their mind: money.
* The magnets deplete (I'm hopeful that a configuration can be found that doesn't result in depletion, e.g. neodymium magnets in a plastic assembly)
* The stator magnet gets cold, which is what others have predicted and observed in related modeling.
* History often shows that the weak and simple confound the mighty. New wine can't be put into old bottles. The establishment is too stick on themselves. The recent MIB incident is part of this transition phenomenon -- the old guard fighting the new thing that will make them obsolete.
* With the old guard in the middle of tearing down the economy to establish their world dictatorship, the timing is right for the emergence of a revolutionary, empowering technology like this.
* More, this is a partial list.
I think that is a very good list of reasons to believe in Mylow's claims and support the open sourcing of this design, and prepare some clear plans for those who want things distilled better than what is available for free on our site.
Sterling
http://MylowPlans.com - download the plans
http://MylowMagnetMotor.com - open source project page
Quote from: sterlinga on April 09, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Follow up from http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/361
==========
Mylow just phoned me and said that his motor stopped at around 7:15 Central this morning; so it had run nearly 12 hours since last night when we talked.
He said that as it came to a stop it did not cog, but just gradually slowed to a stand still. It stopped where the stator was at the largest gap between magnet sets.
He said the slowing was very gradual the entire time, not sudden.
He said the rotor magnets are now essentially deal. They don't even attract iron filings, and they won't stick to each other.
This is the first time Mylow has let the motor run until it slows to a stand still.
What is amazing to me about this is that he could even get rotation with magnets that are so weak. To me, it tells us that the magnet strength level is not a crucial component. I'm guessing that the spacing between individual rotor magnets, and the gaps between rotor magnet sets is unique to the stator magnet size and relation. and that this may be a narrow window of operation with a much smaller tolerance for variation.
He did shoot a short video of it while it was still running.
He sent two rotor magnets and stator magnets to PMMTester this morning so that he can get the exact dimensions of them, and determine the composition of the first stator magnets.
Mylow is going to spend the next couple of days hunting for some new rotor magnets to put on. This will be a good time for him to find a magnet that not only he can use, but which after he gets it working (if that magnet works), he can give the part number and source so others can get the same magnet for their replication.
He did see the two videos I finally got posted from the "Bob" from Utah County replication:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County
He said he couldn't quite see the stator-rotor relation well enough to comment on why this configuration might not be working. I plan on playing with it after sending this report off.
Now that he doesn't have something running, the question of me flying to Chicago to see his motor is for now a moot point.
I should also mention that next week I'm being flown Estonia (former Eastern Block country) to give a presentation on Geothermal energy, featuring Raser, which is one of the Top 100 technologies in our listing at http://Top100Energy.com I'll be gone from the 15th through the 19th, but I will have access to the computer. I mention this to let you know that I will not be available to do anything by way of physical testing during that time. I sure would love to have a magnet motor to bring with me to show them on the side.
I hope Mylow will forgive me for sharing this next thing, but I think it is a fun part of the history to be included with this saga, looking at the dynamics of human emotions and responses to things like this. Shortly after the MIB incident, like a day or so after, he and his wife had quite an argument. She wants him to stop working on this. "It's causing problems." Mylow said that things got so heated in the exchange that she actually took a broomstick and started whacking the motor, making magnets fly off and such. He had to restrain her and calm her down. "We'll be okay. Just relax."
I would ditto that. The more open we are, and the less fearful, the better off we'll be. Bullies have no power when there is no fear, and the modus operandi stays in power through fear. A new world is coming, based on distributed power and individual responsibility and empowerment. Destiny is on our side. It's part of our collective human progression forward.
Keep up the great effort, everyone.
In answer to those who have criticized me for selling plans (an adjunct to what is available for free from our open source pages) even before Mylow's motor has been replicated by someone else, here are the reasons why I believe this thing (Mylow's replication of Howard Johnson's motor), starting with the most important to least.
* I've long believed in the possibility of an all-magnet motor being able to provide base-load power. It is not perpetual motion. It is harnessing some new aspect of magnetism that hasn't yet been appreciated by science, but will.
* Howard Johnson was required to have a working model in order to get a patent from USPTO. He has three patents.
* Mylow's design is very close to Howard Johnson's Stonehenge model.
* The myriad of videos Mylow posted are very convincing, showing acceleration followed by maintenance of an equilibrium speed, accompanied by very gradual slowing due to magnet depletion. Though not skeptic proof, the videos do reveal a lot and correlate with what Mylow has been telling us verbally.
* The movement of the motor as shown in Mylow's videos is consistent with what I would expect from a magnet motor.
* The audio elements in the videos are consistent with what is happening visually, and with what I've heard over the phone as we've talked.
* The partial replications that I've seen, exhibit similar (though not complete) movement to what is shown in Mylow's videos.
* Al Witherspoon said he saw Howard Johnson's motor running in 1978, and has been a friend/neighbors/business associate with HJ until he passed away last year. He is convinced Mylow's motor is for real.
* The level of skill required to pull off a hoax are far beyond what Mylow possesses, whether it be embedding hidden motors or induction or video editing or other means of giving the appearance that shows up in his videos. The background, between the lines, things that I've been able to pick up while talking to Mylow by phone have been consistent with what he has been telling me. He lives in an apartment, drives truck hauling things around Chicago, works near his residence, has a wife and twin brother, etc. These are not aspects that would be present if he had the level of skill required to fake all of this. And what would be his motive? He's not ever asked for money.
* Mylow has never once exhibited even the tiniest interest in getting money from this. It has been hard for me to even broach the subject with him. With many inventors, and certainly fraudsters, that's the first thing on their mind: money.
* The magnets deplete (I'm hopeful that a configuration can be found that doesn't result in depletion, e.g. neodymium magnets in a plastic assembly)
* The stator magnet gets cold, which is what others have predicted and observed in related modeling.
* History often shows that the weak and simple confound the mighty. New wine can't be put into old bottles. The establishment is too stick on themselves. The recent MIB incident is part of this transition phenomenon -- the old guard fighting the new thing that will make them obsolete.
* With the old guard in the middle of tearing down the economy to establish their world dictatorship, the timing is right for the emergence of a revolutionary, empowering technology like this.
* More, this is a partial list.
I think that is a very good list of reasons to believe in Mylow's claims and support the open sourcing of this design, and prepare some clear plans for those who want things distilled better than what is available for free on our site.
Sterling
http://MylowPlans.com - download the plans
http://MylowMagnetMotor.com - open source project page
I must agree with Sterling's points that they are all logical and in light of new circunstantial evidences this could be the real thing.
Hopefully Sterling will go to Chicago and get a first outside witness view of this motor running and video recorded.
I hope also the light will be on (as Dixepnum once said in a funny post).
Fausto.
And what would those circumstancial evidences be? My words are whatever they are, they will not lead to the truth. I don't close the chapter on this saga only because I get a laugh each time I read one of those Sterling stories: Imagine Mylow's wife wacking the crap out of that motor. Imagine Mylow's motor breaking down as Sterling was supposedly talking about a possible visit. Could it get any funnier than that?
Miki Out.
I have ordered 30 of the stator magnets from Allmagnetics.com which will probably be arriving tomorrow. These are for those of you would like to order them. They'll be more from us than directly from Allmagnetics.
I also ordered 120 of the rotor magnets from Eclipse (via WWSales in Canada). The latter will be arriving next Friday. I'm going to have my wife forward a set of 60 to Mylow to see if he can get them working on his motor.
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product/magnet-materials/cast-alnico/minor - Part number M4144ANK
These are also called E801 when they painted and sold in sets of 10 in a box.
I also have an order confirmed (placed a few days ago) for 500 of the M4144ANK from Eclipse, also via WWSales. These are unpainted.
Neither of these outfits (Eclipse nor WWSales) sell to end users. They only sell to distributors. I've set PES Network, Inc up as a distributorship with WWSales.
The E801s are the shallow channel magnets that "Bob" used on his replica as shown here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County
I'm doubtful that they will work because of the small size of the channel, but I hope to go give it a whirl here once I can pull myself away from this computer today
The nice thing about these magnets is that there are a lot of them available, and they are nominally the right size and shape. If Mylow can get them to work, then I'm sure we won't have any problem getting rid of 500 of them and ordering more to be made to follow those.
Here's the catch. The planned shipment date for the Eclipse magnets (via boat) is May 8. We can request expediting.
Another issue is that it appears that they are gouging us. When I first saw these on the forum, they were listed at 0.99 British pounds each. However, from WWSales, with the conversion from US to Canadian, I had to pay $3.72 each.
If we expedite the ones from the U.K., it may be quite a bit more than that.
Should I get those on their way, even though we don't know if they're going to work, and even though it looks like the company is gouging?
I might be able to get a smaller batch of them on their way.
Let me know if you want to order some, and I'll gauge the level of interest.
I'll be posting them for sale at http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/parts/magnets/
(under construction)
I don't want people ragging on me for jacking up the price, but we will be putting some profit in to cover our expenses and operations. The price will come down as we can.
Others of you are more than welcome to set yourselves up as distributors.
Let us know, and we'll list you on our project site (or you can put the link there yourself).
I also today sent an order for 64 of these magnets as listed at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Rotor_Magnets
I'm having them send one to PMMTester so he can measure it and such.
For now, this is a private source. (Thanks Queue) They do not sell to the public, so we would be setting up a similar relationship with them, if Mylow can get them to work. Unfortunately their lead time is 4-6 weeks, so we wouldn't have anything for others for that long (they only have about 24 left in stock. They make these themselves, so they would basically just make as many as we would need.
Sterling
And if you all want avoid the middle man, email zjmcmag (zjmcmag@yahoo.com.cn) , with your request, size in mm ( which Mylows is), it would be polite to use google translater to Chinese, but you dont have to. Pictures help your cause, photo or CAD. Pole position is also an option. These people work to please. prices start at 25 cents us for the first 1k, price doubles for an order of 100. So that would be @ 50 cents US if you can wait 4 weeks. Below is a pic of my email response frome 3 weeks ago, I have not place an order due to the fact that I have not place an order, hope this this helps die hard builders, I cant find the will to order without Mylow on the forum.
Quote from: X00013 on April 10, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
And if you all want avoid the middle man, email zjmcmag (zjmcmag@yahoo.com.cn) , with your request, size in mm ( which Mylows is), it would be polite to use google translater to Chinese, but you dont have to. Pictures help your cause, photo or CAD. Pole position is also an option. These people work to please. prices start at 25 cents us for the first 1k, price doubles for an order of 100. So that would be @ 50 cents US if you can wait 4 weeks. Below is a pic of my email response frome 3 weeks ago, I have not place an order due to the fact that I have not place an order, hope this this helps die hard builders, I cant find the will to order without Mylow on the forum.
@X00013
Great find and thank you. With these prices, everyone can afford to try their duplication. $20 for 55 pieces plus shipping.
Maybe Sterlinga should be the middleman and we can all order from him?
Any other comments?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 10, 2009, 12:22:31 AM
@X00013
Great find and thank you. With these prices, everyone can afford to try their duplication. $20 for 55 pieces plus shipping.
Maybe Sterlinga should be the middleman and we can all order from him?
Any other comments?
cheers
chrisC
Have a nice day.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 09, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product/magnet-materials/cast-alnico/minor - Part number M4144ANK
These are also called E801 when they painted and sold in sets of 10 in a box.
I also have an order confirmed (placed a few days ago) for 500 of the M4144ANK from Eclipse, also via WWSales. These are unpainted.
Neither of these outfits (Eclipse nor WWSales) sell to end users. They only sell to distributors.
Eclipse is the UK will sell to anyone, I simply rang them up, asked for sales ang gave credit card over the phone.
They were packed up and shipped the next day. Very good service.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 10, 2009, 03:56:39 AM
Eclipse is the UK will sell to anyone, I simply rang them up, asked for sales ang gave credit card over the phone.
They were packed up and shipped the next day. Very good service.
Cheers
Sean.
I guess it was just WW Sales, then, that doesn't sell to end users, just distributors.
I spent about six hours playing with the set-up Bob made, and had some close calls, but no full rotation yet.
Be sure you are not ascribing uni-directional trend to the magnets when in fact the wheel might not be level. For a minute there, I thought I was going to get it for sure. Then I checked the level.
I came up with the idea of gluing the sets to plastic, which I can then move easily, without having to re-glue everything every time I want to move things over.
I've not yet tried gluing each magnet to an individual piece of plastic so I can move it and tape it down easily. But that would be easier than re-gluing. I'm getting better at gluing straight up on first attempt, but I get one crooked about every third time and have to re-do it.
Hot glue gun is very fast and forgiving.
I also came up with a way to easily space and align the small gap between magnets in a set, using a hanger from the center post and putting a small plastic jig in the right position.
I shot lots of video and a few photos. Need to go to bed now, though.
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on April 10, 2009, 04:26:00 AM
I came up with the idea of gluing the sets to plastic, which I can then move easily, without having to re-glue everything every time I want to move things over.
I've not yet tried gluing each magnet to an individual piece of plastic so I can move it and tape it down easily. But that would be easier than re-gluing. I'm getting better at gluing straight up on first attempt, but I get one crooked about every third time and have to re-do it.
Hot glue gun is very fast and forgiving.
hehe yep it is a messy job and not until you are faced with 55 magnets and countless combinations do you realise what a borin, tedious job it is :)
I was thinking the same of some sort of track on the edge of the rotor, so I could simply move the magnets around and lock them off in their positions.
Got a couple o new stator magnets and Iron bar turn up for this weekend, so off to have a play.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 10, 2009, 03:56:39 AM
Eclipse is the UK will sell to anyone, I simply rang them up, asked for sales ang gave credit card over the phone.
They were packed up and shipped the next day. Very good service.
Cheers
Sean.
No prices on the website that I could see...
Quote from: Lakes on April 10, 2009, 05:02:02 AM
No prices on the website that I could see...
No you cannot order these ones online, Just ring them up, ask for sales and they will give a price.
I got 60 of them for £0.99 each and then carriage.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 10, 2009, 05:13:24 AM
No you cannot order these ones online, Just ring them up, ask for sales and they will give a price.
I got 60 of them for £0.99 each and then carriage.
Ok, good to know, thanks.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 10, 2009, 04:26:00 AM
For a minute there, I thought I was going to get it for sure. Then I checked the level.
Why?
What would be wrong with a gravity assisted PMM? Somehow I doubt Mylow checked the level before he started to post videos.
Apartment in Chicago? The entire floor is probably leaning the same direction.
I've been sliding door frame wedges under my attempt.
@ Bep
You may be on to something. Mylow's magnet arrangement in his first video is somewhat unbalanced. He later had to put some shims under table/dresser to make it level in one of his videos. I agree, there is nothing wrong with a little gravity assistance. Has any one else tried to use some gravity assistance with their replication setup?
I had been working on with crude set-up on my pool table which is very level with no possitive results. I may give it a go again later but others have better replications (closer to Mylow's setup) that may want to try first.
Bill
Hi all,
If I had to make an attempt to replicate Mylow's device, here's how I'd proceed :
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6558/montage.png (http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6558/montage.png)
The plastic flexible wheel could be replaced by a thin plywood one, I guess.
This may allow you a huge gain of time, once built. If you want to move some magnets, you just have to slack off a few screws.
(screws are brass ones)
maybe the rubber bands would be useless.
For all the would be replicators out there....
Multi-use Rotating platform http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1 (http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1)
Many sellers of this item, use Google.
You can always mount a larger disk ontop if you wish, but make sure its centered if you do.
Quote from: Lakes on April 10, 2009, 08:39:34 AM
For all the would be replicators out there....
Multi-use Rotating platform http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1 (http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1)
Many sellers of this item, use Google.
You can always mount a larger disk ontop if you wish, but make sure its centered if you do.
Tried this. Far too much friction as do lazy susan assemblies IMHO. Still looking for an off-the-shelf bearing assembly.
Hi,
I just had a look through the last few pages of this thread and checked out some of the videos on youtube inlcuding the replication attempt. Could anyone tell me, has 1 person been able to successfully replicate the Mylow claims? Or has any independant party been able to examine Mylows invention and verify it as legimate?
appreciate any further info as I can probalby get some engineers to work on this but they wouldnt be interested in something still unproven.
Quote from: astroboy77 on April 10, 2009, 09:16:25 AM
Hi,
I just had a look through the last few pages of this thread and checked out some of the videos on youtube inlcuding the replication attempt. Could anyone tell me, has 1 person been able to successfully replicate the Mylow claims? Or has any independant party been able to examine Mylows invention and verify it as legimate?
appreciate any further info as I can probalby get some engineers to work on this but they wouldnt be interested in something still unproven.
Unproven, unsuccessfully replicate and not examine... yet.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications
LightRider
Beside gravity assist on a mechanically unbalanced wheel between two static forces (gravity and magnetism) do not underestimate his use of aluminum.
Even at the low speeds portrayed aluminum will play a roll. It appears the thickness must also be at or near the same thickness of the rotor magnets. For those thinking about cutting a grove around the edge - I suggest not.
My use of a water heater pan (very thin) proves useless except for Eddy current drag.
Lakes, we used to use those rotating platforms that looked identical to that one there in the link for many things (trade shows, demos, and on the bench). They are great and extremely useful for those things, but they do have high rotational drag and tend to "ratchet" and make a gravely noise, even with low-weight loads on them (probably because the bearing race goes all the way around near the outer perimeter and the bearings are just loose steel balls captured in plastic). So they may have too much drag for this purpose. But they are the bee's-knees for working on units or showing them off ;)
Quote from: astroboy77 on April 10, 2009, 09:16:25 AM
Hi,
I just had a look through the last few pages of this thread and checked out some of the videos on youtube inlcuding the replication attempt. Could anyone tell me, has 1 person been able to successfully replicate the Mylow claims? Or has any independant party been able to examine Mylows invention and verify it as legimate?
appreciate any further info as I can probalby get some engineers to work on this but they wouldnt be interested in something still unproven.
There have been no successful replications. So far everything is hearsay, just the word of mylow. Mylow's video's offer no proof. Mylow did not accept the offer from the media to video his machine. He still has not taken it to be verified. Sterling is selling products for a profit on the mylow machines.
PL
Quote from: jibbguy on April 10, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Lakes, we used to use those rotating platforms that looked identical to that one there in the link for many things (trade shows, demos, and on the bench). They are great and extremely useful for those things, but they do have high rotational drag and tend to "ratchet" and make a gravely noise, even with low-weight loads on them (probably because the bearing race goes all the way around near the outer perimeter and the bearings are just loose steel balls captured in plastic). So they may have too much drag for this purpose. But they are the bee's-knees for working on units or showing them off ;)
Oh well, thanks for the info, there must be something out there thats ready built and inexpensive, maybe an old record deck platter?
Quote from: Lakes on April 10, 2009, 08:39:34 AM
For all the would be replicators out there....
Multi-use Rotating platform http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1 (http://www.ealingdiy.com/index.php?id=930&pid=4069&sid=1)
Many sellers of this item, use Google.
You can always mount a larger disk ontop if you wish, but make sure its centered if you do.
Come one, that's crap. For loudspeakers and such. Not for this here. Be serious.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 10, 2009, 11:54:58 AM
Come one, that's crap. For loudspeakers and such. Not for this here. Be serious.
Agreed, as someone else has pointed out its not suitable for this type of project, just looking for something ready made for those people without access to a machine shop...
For a smooth turning base I'm currently using an old computer like cooling fan only larger - 6 inch and the magnet ring removed
As far as results - now that I'm using a 7ga. Aluminum disk 18 inch dia. I am getting unidirectional rotation from a choice spot. I need more rotor magnets to produce data worth collecting.
At this point I am convinced I must pursue this and include the asymetry of an off level system.
All hearsay I know. When I have positive results the camera will be used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8fP5K8D1g
Lakes i think the old "LP" turntable idea is great. If the Tach or other type of feedback method / circuit is removed (assuming it's the DC servo type), it can probably be run backwards as a gen to produce a little juice to light a few LED's and as a means of makeshift "prony brake" and torque limiter (...as a relatively high current load on it would increase CEMF, and drag).
Finding them is getting harder, though... Many collectors and "purist" audiophiles worship them and would have a fit if they knew what we wanted them for hehehe ;)
Gee, isn't that Mylow? WTF?
Bill
MYLOW IS BACK !!!
Quote from: Digjam on April 10, 2009, 01:42:32 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8fP5K8D1g
Nice find! How do you find these? Did mylow or sterling mention this to you?
If mylow's other machine worked, as the NSA guy said :), then why is mylow starting a new device. Or is mylow just trying to get a lot of people interested in HJ stuff.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 10, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
Nice find! How do you find these? Did mylow or sterling mention this to you?
I search youtube for "magnet motor"
Quote from: Digjam on April 10, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
I search youtube for "magnet motor"
Its got to be a new video because his stator assembly has the rubber grips...
Quote from: Digjam on April 10, 2009, 01:56:41 PMI search youtube for "magnet motor"
I'm glad people search for these.
and a lilttle history
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
The circus continues. Indeed, after promising he had made his last video, Milo is now back, claiming his latest video is the first in a series. What we have here is a bad case of amnesia. Emphasizing the harmlessness of his toy, he urges us to improve on it to accomplish self-powered continuous motion that he already showed last month. Deja vu time glitch. I can see why it's necessary for Stirling to believe "in" Milo, to overcome any glaring problems of whether we can actually believe Milo, without the "in". One thing we can be sure of: a messiah he aint.
How about all the other replicators who have thus far come up with squat, including Sterling's Utah associate, and Sterling himself. Scads of people working on it, availing themselves of all this free open-pit technically atrocious valuable infotainment, yet nobody can seem to replicate it, to grasp the holy grail. Can we believe them? Is the picture beginning to focus yet?
Even the poor parrot is a misnomer.
Cisco
Quote from: Cisco on April 10, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
The circus continues. Indeed, after promising he had made his last video, Milo is now back, claiming his latest video is the first in a series.
Quoteand a lilttle history
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
This one has been broadcasted in May 2008.
Are we sure,
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8fP5K8D1g
is a recent one?
(I know....date says April 9th 2009)
Quote from: robbie47 on April 10, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
Are we sure, is a recent one?
(I know....date says April 9th 2009)
Yes it contains his new all aluminum stator holder that he came up with
after ppl complained about the wooden legs on the other one.
Also he states about the stator magnet "given to me by a dear friend "(Sterling Maybe?)
And he states the table is "perfectly level" ( remember the fuss about the table?)
Quote from: Cisco on April 10, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
The circus continues. Indeed, after promising he had made his last video, Milo is now back, claiming his latest video is the first in a series. What we have here is a bad case of amnesia. Emphasizing the harmlessness of his toy, he urges us to improve on it to accomplish self-powered continuous motion that he already showed last month. Deja vu time glitch. I can see why it's necessary for Stirling to believe "in" Milo, to overcome any glaring problems of whether we can actually believe Milo, without the "in". One thing we can be sure of: a messiah he aint.
How about all the other replicators who have thus far come up with squat, including Sterling's Utah associate, and Sterling himself. Scads of people working on it, availing themselves of all this free open-pit technically atrocious valuable infotainment, yet nobody can seem to replicate it, to grasp the holy grail. Can we believe them? Is the picture beginning to focus yet?
Even the poor parrot is a misnomer.
Cisco
;)
Mylow is back? Ah, even the MiB's are not like they used to be in old times....
So, how many successful replications do we have here so far? Had somebody figured out the magic touch ML is using (making so many "working" concepts...). Lucky magnets, i guess...
Is Sterling still selling the plans? How much is the cost for a 1kW ML's original version? Autographed?
Ah, well....
Quote from: spinner on April 10, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
So, how many successful replications do we have here so far? Had somebody figured out the magic touch ML is using (making so many "working" concepts...). Lucky magnets, i guess...
Well spent this morning playing with new Stator magnets, no joy. Drilled and cut in half 1" Iron bar, magnetised each side by stroking Neo across it, still no go.
That Sticky Spot is there just like any other design.
This afternoon, cracked on with another project instead hehe :)
I suppose with Mylow's new Video channel showing up, he is doing what MIB told him too, STOP playing with HJ design, which he has.
But all the new video shows is the infamous Sticky Spots that we see on every design out there. So nothing new!
Onto the next design, was fun for a couple of weeks :)
@ CLaNZeR
have you tried magnetic shielding like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofO1S1937w&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofO1S1937w&feature=channel_page)
Hi, CLaNZeR!
We all hope for the best...
I wish you good projects and success in the future!
Cheers!
Quote from: Digjam on April 10, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8fP5K8D1g
The first videos mylow originally posted (and subsequently removed) used this bar magnet setup, albeit with a different stator position.
posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAm7HOqurrQ
filmed last night
One idea was to glue the rotor magnet sets to plastic strips that I can then move easily, without having to re-glue everything every time I want to move things over. The hot glue gun Bob left with me is very fast and forgiving. It comes right off the plastic and the magnet, yet holds the magnet well enough for the low speeds we anticipate. Another ides was a way to easily space and align the small gap between magnets in a set, using a hanger from the center post and putting a small plastic jig in the right position. There are some interesting preliminary results, but alas, I couldn't get it to work (accelerate, full rotation, maintain speed) before I finally went to bed at 2:00 am.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 10, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmLddXdBx7k
filmed last night
One idea was to glue the rotor magnet sets to plastic strips that I can then move easily, without having to re-glue everything every time I want to move things over. The hot glue gun Bob left with me is very fast and forgiving. It comes right off the plastic and the magnet, yet holds the magnet well enough for the low speeds we anticipate. Another ides was a way to easily space and align the small gap between magnets in a set, using a hanger from the center post and putting a small plastic jig in the right position. There are some interesting preliminary results, but alas, I couldn't get it to work (accelerate, full rotation, maintain speed) before I finally went to bed at 2:00 am.
Your link goes to a youtube advertisement for 'KML TV Antenna TAP'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAm7HOqurrQ&feature=channel_page
This is getting a little ridiculous
Wake me when it's over this is just silly
Quote from: nyctuber on April 10, 2009, 05:58:32 PM
Your link goes to a youtube advertisement for 'KML TV Antenna TAP'
Oops. Sorry about that. I fixed the link in my post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAm7HOqurrQ
I'm not having much luck with my replication either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MhXk4PGEA&feature=channel_page
But, after playing around with the Mylow thing, I came up with another idea maybe worth testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCT5qEiPKE&feature=channel_page
New Mylow video LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy6qRZdTJRo&feature=channel_page
WTF? Mylow, is presenting his new motor as if for the first time! I thought this guy had already built a working motor. I read the posts from you guys still posting from last week when the cat got loose as if you still believe his motor was for real. I've also watched you guys dialogue with the scam artist STIRLING selling working plans of the MYLOW motor. What gives! You guys still discussing this are gullable fools, plain and simple. This forum has no credability and should be closed. Please shut this nonsense down now, how much damage do you thing is being done to the whole OU effort. Somebody is having a good laugh.
As far as I can tell, no one has truely tried to replicate Mylow's Original Running Motor.
I see all sort of stuff, that looks nothing like Mylow's design and spacing.
I don't understand 1) why people expect to have something totally different work, and 2) why people are griping about Mylow's Original Running Motor not being replicated when nobody has a magnet set and spacing anywhere close to Mylow's. Why even try, if you're not gonna try?
Here's the Relative Sizing and Spacing info that I developed and posted earlier on this thread.
I think this is the best place to start for someone trying to replicate Mylow's Original Running Motor. Be sure your magnets are closely matched and spaced to these Relative measurements. If you have magnets that fall far outside this Relative design, I believe you are far outside of Mylow's margins, and embarking on something new, instead of attempting a true Mylow Running Motor replication attempt.
If someone has a set of rotors of a certain size, I am willing to find them a Relative matching stator to try to get it to work. Any takers?
Chase212327
@Chase212327
You're one of the people I'm talking about. You have just posted over the top of what I said and are continuing on like this whole thing is real. Unbelievable!
HiggsField,
I take personal offense to your post, singling me out to flame.
I did not post over the top of you -- I just posted.
I am attempting to contribute to this replication effort.
As far as I can tell, you are just another critic on the attack.
Please leave me out of it.
Chase212327
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
@Chase212327
You're one of the people I'm talking about. You have just posted over the top of what I said and are continuing on like this whole thing is real. Unbelievable!
Chase212327
The point is there is no replication to be made. I do not know you personally, and I'm not flaming you, but you are contributing to this nonsense, please would you honestly comment on the last Mylow video in the context of this whole thread? P.S. I have actually built something and posted the results honestly if you would care to look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5RqJ2q0Qcg
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 08:50:24 PM
Chase212327
The point is there is no replication to be made. I do not know you personally, and I'm not flaming you, but you are contributing to this nonsense, please would you honestly comment on the last Mylow video in the context of this whole thread? P.S. I have actually built something and posted the results honestly if you would care to look.
@HiggsField
I don't think you should vent your frustrations and negative opinions in this manner. All Chase212327 did was to try to reason with the crowd of replicators than in order to prove Mylow's experiment, people need to do the right thing, ie compare apples with apples. I don't think that's unreasonable.
If at the end of the day, replicators did their job based on exacting (or closest) comparisons, then MyLow needs to prove he's true or be forever condemned as a FAKE!
Peace.
cheers
chrisC
chrisC:
Well said.
Bill
HiggsField,
RE: "...you are contributing to this nonsense..."
I honestly don't believe I am. My intent is to provide assistance with a true replication effort, to either prove or disprove the concept. I am assuming nothing at this point. I think a scientific approach to replicating is in order, and has not been attempted by anyone (because the exact magnet set is no longer available). Then, sloppy attempts and failures are fodder for critics to attack anyone trying to assist with a true replicate (prove or disprove). I'm not one to taking anything on face value, THAT is why I want to see somone try to use reasonable tolerances to prove or disprove this claim. I'm not going to take Mylow's videos as proof.
Chase212327
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 08:50:24 PM
Chase212327
The point is there is no replication to be made. I do not know you personally, and I'm not flaming you, but you are contributing to this nonsense, please would you honestly comment on the last Mylow video in the context of this whole thread? P.S. I have actually built something and posted the results honestly if you would care to look.
@nyctuber
"God is a concept"... I'm not sure what point your making here. 90%+ of engineers and physicists are atheists. It your advocating blind faith then please please press on!
@Chase212327
You're obviously missing something here, else you would not have replied to my obviously provocative post. The whole thing started with with a lie. What is there too replicated? Nothing!
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 09:08:16 PM
@nyctuber
"God is a concept"... I'm not sure what point your making here. 90%+ of engineers and physicists are atheists. It your advocating blind faith then please please press on!
The point was the title of the song, dumdum.
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 09:08:16 PM
@nyctuber
"God is a concept"... I'm not sure what point your making here. 90%+ of engineers and physicists are atheists. It your advocating blind faith then please please press on!
I don't believe 90% of engineers and physicists are atheists. One only needs to look up at the heavens and marvel that there is GOD!
cheers
chrisC
@nyctuber
Sorry, I am dum dum, but not as dum as some. It would seem we are in agreement!
@chrisC
You're right its more like 99%. If you want to know who god is google Higgs Field.
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
@chrisC
You're right its more like 99%. If you want to know who god is google Higgs Field.
Don't really know Higgs Field. He's great in his own eyes. But here's a atheist reading for you, off topic albeit.
In Florida, an Atheist
> created a case against the upcoming Easter and Passover holy
> days. He hired an attorney to bring a discrimination case
> against Christians, Jews and observances of their holy days.
> The argument was that it was unfair that atheists had no
> such recognized days. The case was brought before a judge.
>
> After listening to the
> passionate presentation by the lawyer, the judge banged his
> gavel declaring, "Case dismissed!"
>
> The lawyer immediately stood
> objecting to the ruling saying,
> "Your honor, how can you
> possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas,
> Easter and others. The Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and
> Hanukkah, yet my client and all other atheists have no such
> holidays."
>
>
> The judge leaned forward in
> his chair saying, "But you do. Your client, counsel, is
> woefully ignorant."
>
> The lawyer said, "Your
> Honor, we are unaware of any special observance or holiday
> for atheists."
>
>
> The judge said,
>
> "The calendar says
> April 1st is April Fool's Day. Psalm 14:1 states,
> 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus,
> it is the opinion of this court, that if your client says
> there is no God, then he is a fool. Therefore, April 1st is
> his day. Court is adjourned."
>
cheers
chrisC
Have a good Easter.
Hint: It's not about bunnies!
Because this is about the end of the Mylow HJ design and everyone is about sure that is does not actually work (Including me), I have only one theory as to why it could possibly operate if it actually did.
We all know that simply passing magnets over other magnets gains nothing! But the thick aluminum plate CAN provide a purpose as I am about to state.
Because the rotor magnets are mounted to the aluminum plate, the field of those magnets pass into the plate, and we will call it the south pole.
As the rotor turns and the magnets approach the south pole of the stator, the field is pushed deeper into the aluminum plate at a slow rate that does not cause much resistance besides the fact that most of the field is already into the plate.
Then in the short span as it passes the south pole to the north pole of the stator, the south field on the rotor jumps to the north of the stator. At this point the field retained in the aluminum also is attracted to the stator and provides a free additional pull that quickly dissipates. The rotors south field pole does not return back into the aluminum plate until it gains distance from the stator and it does this at no cost because the magnet itself pushes the field back into the plate far from the stator.
All other magnetic reactions are equal and neither help or hinder the rotation. The concept is like an induction motor with an aluminum rotor.
If I was to try this replication, I would base the design on this concept.
@chrisC
You idiot. Higgs Field is not a person it's a force. By the way Easter is a pagen festival, (a.k.a. Eastre), the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 10, 2009, 05:40:11 PM
The first videos mylow originally posted (and subsequently removed) used this bar magnet setup, albeit with a different stator position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8fP5K8D1g
I believe you can see how he jump started the "self-running" motor from an example in this video at 1:02. (not talking about a little nudge)
It seems likely that in the so called "working device" video, while always being zoomed in to the stator, he started the motor manually at the shaft assembly with his right hand with enough continuous force to let the flywheel effect take over till the end of the video. Remember after numerous requests, we have never seen the device start up from a wide shot showing everything. Only after it was spinning did the camera zoom out.
Joe
@joe_1001101
This is a pointless post. Who cares how he did his initial fraud, the fact that MYLOW has started posting again as if nothing had happened previously is proof that this is a fools errand.
Moderator,
RE: "You idiot."
Are personal attacks and name calling OK?
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 09:51:32 PM
@chrisC
You idiot. Higgs Field is not a person it's a force. By the way Easter is a pagen festival, (a.k.a. Eastre), the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe.
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 10, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
Moderator,
RE: "You idiot."
Are personal attacks and name calling OK?
May be you should have done a least a little research first before responding! If there was a moderator then STIRLING would not be profiting from this fraud. It's time to close this thing down.... "the pot calling the kettle black"
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
@joe_1001101
This is a pointless post. Who cares how he did his initial fraud, the fact that MYLOW has started posting again as if nothing had happened previously is proof that this is a fools errand.
@HiggsField,
I care for one:) Why not know how it was executed (if it was a scam)? What else is there at this point? Just like Mike's fake Window Motor. I'm pretty sure I know exactly how he made that run, only after duplicating almost the identical effect on video.
Thanks,
Joe
@joe_1001101
You're right, it is important to know how we were all fooled, at least those in this forum who chose to believe without clear evidence. There was a lot indicators that this was a fake. Mylow refused to post a video meeting the requirements of the group in the early posts. He disassembled his prototype and began rebuilding. Once the MIB appeared on the scene, most of use knew that this was lost cause. However, there are nearly a weeks worth of posts discussing the reality of the MIB + profitiring on the back of the initial videos. Sharlatans always pray on the weak of mind.
oopppss.. meant to post in builder thread .. oh well .. leave it anyway..
*************
Still have a few things i wanted to test before i give it up and rake the yard .. but i came across this config today ..
So far none of the original Mylow array configs i have tested have worked for my mags or my rig.
Today i tried a rotor array that seemed to work out pretty well. On the disk in the vid there are 2 different test arrays
but check out the one with 16 mags in it..
Interesting .. it's swings ..
i plan to test a disk with this rotor config continued around 16.3 or maybe 16.4
If this thing does work it's probably different for each set of stator-rotor mags one might use.
You tube is here ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: HiggsField on April 10, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
@joe_1001101
You're right, it is important to know how we were all fooled, at least those in this forum who chose to believe without clear evidence. There was a lot indicators that this was a fake. Mylow refused to post a video meeting the requirements of the group in the early posts. He disassembled his prototype and began rebuilding. Once the MIB appeared on the scene, most of use knew that this was lost cause. However, there are nearly a weeks worth of posts discussing the reality of the MIB + profitiring on the back of the initial videos. Sharlatans always pray on the weak of mind.
Feel bad for Mylow if in the .00000001% (I believe) chance that it was real, things happened the way they did. That's just me. But I am 99.9999999% sure that the motor did not run as shown.
[update: 110% chance the motor did not run as shown]
Sorry to John Bedini that I keep bringing the Mike Fake Window Motor up, but it bothers me that it is still on youtube
FOOLING people. Is this how it will always be in the FE field?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0
Thanks,
Joe
@queue
I do not want to discourage you but you are deluding yourself. No support here. CLaNZeR could not close the loop in his recent attempt. I posted more than a week ago similar problems, as have others. We have all gotten this far, at least those who have made the effort in reality as opposed to in their mind. I wish you luck in your toil. Please post an honest conclusion to the work when you close the ring of magnets.
Queue,
I think you've finally got it! The rotor sets with the smaller gap appear to be accelerating, releasing and gliding (fly wheel?). PLEASE continue that smaller gap pattern all the way around!
SChase212327
Quote from: queue on April 10, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
oopppss.. meant to post in builder thread .. oh well .. leave it anyway..
*************
Still have a few things i wanted to test before i give it up and rake the yard .. but i came across this config today ..
So far none of the original Mylow array configs i have tested have worked for my mags or my rig.
Today i tried a rotor array that seemed to work out pretty well. On the disk in the vid there are 2 different test arrays
but check out the one with 16 mags in it..
Interesting .. it's swings ..
i plan to test a disk with this rotor config continued around 16.3 or maybe 16.4
If this thing does work it's probably different for each set of stator-rotor mags one might use.
You tube is here ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 10, 2009, 11:32:28 PM
Queue,
I think you've finally got it! The rotor sets with the smaller gap appear to be excellerating, releasing and gliding (fly wheel?). PLEASE continue that smaller gap pattern all the way around!
SChase212327
"excellerating" it is. Perhaps it should be accelerating. Lets see it he can do a full revolution and we can all celebrate in "excellabration"!
Quote from: HiggsField on April 11, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
"execellarating" it is. Perhaps it should be accelerating. Lets see it he can do a full revolution and we can all celebrate in "excellabration"!
I'm going to start celebrating early, and go have a few drinks:)
I hope we have total rotation when I get back!
Nice work Queue,
Thanks.
Joe
Great idea. Shared it with Sterling.
However, check this out. HOT off the YouTube Presses Friday night. A "possible" working Mylow replication!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ
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Quote from: Dusty on April 10, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
I'm not having much luck with my replication either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MhXk4PGEA&feature=channel_page
But, after playing around with the Mylow thing, I came up with another idea maybe worth testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCT5qEiPKE&feature=channel_page
Quote from: cwstang on April 11, 2009, 12:19:21 AM
Great idea. Shared it with Sterling.
However, check this out. HOT off the YouTube Presses Friday night. A "possible" working Mylow replication!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ
===========================================
That's the video they're talking about.
I wonder if having a polished surface on the aluminum disc has an effect. Mylow's appears to be unpolished, both clanzer and queue's appear to be polished or perhaps shiny for some other reason.
@Dusty
I guess no one noticed your post.
Very good idea. Falls in perfectly with the non-symmetric arrangement. Can it work with more segments?
Could you please also put your post here.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg170406#msg170406
Queue,
I stand corrected! Your smaller gaps appear to be in line with Milow's ratios, and working with the stator you've implemented. Very exciting!
Hoping others can replicate now. What rotor spec/vendor, stator spec/vendor and smaller gap between rotors are you using with this latest video?
Congrats,
Chase212327
Quote from: Chase212327 on April 10, 2009, 08:31:37 PM
As far as I can tell, no one has truely tried to replicate Mylow's Original Running Motor...
New Mylow vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bReWmWwDE&feature=channel_page
projectmagma new video #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bReWmWwDE
Am I the only one who's looking for broom marks on the platter? :)
Shouldn't this have been verified before selling plans?
If I were Sterling, I would be investigating the visit from the NSA. Call Mylow's attorney, identify the congressman whose secretary verified the NSA visit.
Isn't the most significant fact yielded by this likely hoax the revelation that the NSA supposedly contacted Mylow's attorney and came to Mylow's house to seize his machine? I think the fact that the NSA believes that he had something disruptive speaks volumes. Interview the attorney Sterling. Track down the police officers who abandoned Mylow to the MIB after a 911 call. Out the congressman whose secretary confirmed that the NSA is confiscating claimed overunity devices.
Even if Mylow was a hoax, if he was actually verifiably harassed by NSA then I think that is the big story and Mylow did a great service by trapping the powers that be in their act of suppression.
Becoming a Con man of crackpot technology for fun and profit
http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm
how to make a living pitching free energy machines
A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free energy.
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get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
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Quote from: Dusty on April 10, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
But, after playing around with the Mylow thing, I came up with another idea maybe worth testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCT5qEiPKE&feature=channel_page
Hi Dusty -
You sure are the strong (good building/thinking skills) and silent type (no extraneous commentary)..... 8)
IF a device of this type were to ever work, I would think it would require a design of the type you suggest - multiple stators. A design that keeps the unit 'unbalanced' and provides 'propulsion' in seperate/off-set sections to get past the 'sticky spot' of the previous section.
Your video presents the idea very simply and directly.
Do you plan on trying this design? Queue or CLaNZeR?
If so, vids of the results would be of interest.
Thanks for posting the vids Dusty and good to 'see' you again.
Bedini interview @ Mylow, HJ etc from the other thread
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2461758
Must listen.
Being discussed at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7173.0;topicseen
[sorry, wrong thread]
@sterlinga
Could you please take a read of my post located here and let me know if you can ask Mylow for a time line and if you need a list of questions.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg170537#msg170537
@all
If you read the above post please keep any non-build related responses in this thread and not put it on the other thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
Someone should try using an electromagnet (some wire wrapped on a nail) as the
stator magnet so that the field strength of the stator can be made low and variable.
My feeling is that the sticky point is a function of both the magnetic coupling strength
and the total wheel mechanical momentum. That is, If the wheel is heavy enough it will
break through the sticky point cause by cogging. Carefully adjusting the field strength
so that the wheel can just break through it may be the key. Whether there is energy
loss vs energy gain around the loop will determine whether the wheel keeps running
or stops in a lower momentum turn.
One of the previous post says a person thought that some of mylow's magnets may contain
batteries and a special pulse circuits. Sending an NSA agent out to retrieve misplaced hardware
might not be so far out of the question. Evidence is that Mylow's wheel is now running shorter.
Other then that this is pure speculation.
This is why I recommended that we stop listening to Mylow; he doesn't seem like he has a full
complement of technical knowlegability. It may be possible for a non-knowlegable person
to come up with some thing new, but it less likely he would be able to have the skills to
evaluate it properly or to make any progress extending it towards a goal. In otherwords it
takes a replicator to make sure something is replicatable.
I disagree with user Higgs_field that this is not worth studying whether it was initially fake or not,
you could have Mib's demonstrating something in a very fake way that is actually true to try to
discredit it. The parts about the stator discharging and the wheel continuing to run are worth
trying to replicate. Efforts take a certain amount of time to mount and should not be stopped
prematurely.
:S:MarkSCoffman
DIY Gaussmeter
http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/ (http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/)
and
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm (http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm)
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.
I have attached a drawing which I believe should overcome the "closing the loop" problem. Going 3D instead of just 2D should remove the distorting effect of adding magnets on a single platter.
One might even try a double heliux pattern like that of DNA... Sprial down
Quote from: dragon on April 11, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm
"Top right is rotary motor upon which the prototype will be built. The 8-ounce manget,
hand held to the large ring weighing 40 pounds, provides enough force to spin the entire assembly.
Not a mounted stator. Interesting.
Joe
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 11, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.
I have attached a drawing which I believe should overcome the "closing the loop" problem. Going 3D instead of just 2D should remove the distorting effect of adding magnets on a single platter.
One might even try a double heliux pattern like that of DNA... Sprial down
Can't remember the name, but I've seen a similar thing on youtube flipped on it's side.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 11, 2009, 10:07:15 PM
"Top right is rotary motor upon which the prototype will be built. The 8-ounce manget, hand held to the large ring weighing 40 pounds, provides enough force to spin the entire assembly.
Not a mounted stator. Interesting.
Joe
It's generally accepted that hand held is useless, since small movements of the hand translate into movement of the device.
i finished building the 16.3 disk array today after the promising look it showed yesterday.
i posted two vids of the tests i did today . . but the news is not encourageing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53meik-OB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK77eDMlWE4
This array 16 = (4*4) * 3 acts like every other so far . . as you continue the build around the disk ..
i tried it in symmetry and not 4.4.4.4 + 4.4.4.4 + 4.4.4.3
there is less and less movement up until you close the loop .. once you do
there is not enough momentum to break through the wall of repulsion sitting at the beginning of the next segment.
Every array i ever built to date has done this . .so far this one is no different.
Later this weekend i may build 16(4*4) in some other config.
If i understood one of Sterling's earlier posts he is sending Mylow some rotors that are same as mine
.. if this is the case and Mylow can get them to work then he can share the config with me so i can replicate it.
Early next week I will also have one of the same stators as Mylow if my shipping ETA holds up.
Yesterday i asked Mylow ( projectMagma ) to look and comment on my videos .. big silence ..
Until there is a replication .. nothing here ..
move along
Cheers
Queue
Two more from Mylow, nothing major
http://www.youtube.com/user/projectmagma
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 11, 2009, 10:07:15 PM
"Top right is rotary motor upon which the prototype will be built. The 8-ounce manget, hand held to the large ring weighing 40 pounds, provides enough force to spin the entire assembly.
Not a mounted stator. Interesting.
Joe
Yah, well HAND HELD is what Johnson did at the patent office, too. And we all know what that does.
James
What's THIS crapola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgY6UEhDX8U
Quote from: nyctuber on April 12, 2009, 05:02:22 AM
What's THIS crapola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgY6UEhDX8U
The music was nice, but otherwise...
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 11, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.
I have attached a drawing which I believe should overcome the "closing the loop" problem. Going 3D instead of just 2D should remove the distorting effect of adding magnets on a single platter.
One might even try a double heliux pattern like that of DNA... Sprial down
I was thinking the same thing, either that or shielding the magnet like James Roney, I think I`m going to have a play with the shielding idea, need to order the magnets and find some thin tin sheet from somewhere...
Mylow in foreign parascience news services:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#April_11.2C_2009
http://www.nautilus.org.pl/?i=1758
Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nautilus.org.pl%2F%3Fi%3D1758&sl=pl&tl=en
Vids of the April 2 SJSU thing: http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork
Quote from: nyctuber on April 12, 2009, 07:52:22 AM
Vids of the April 2 SJSU thing: http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork
Too bad! Stirling seems to be single handily discrediting the whole OU effort. Jumping on things before any proper duedilligence has been done. Creating hype around easily faked Youtube videos.
http://www.nuscam.com/perendev.htm
"If the magnets are placed in a state of repulsion only against each other in a magnet motor system, I would agree they will lose their magnetism over time. If the magnets in the Perendev magnet motor are always in a state of repulsion only, then this would explain the magnet depletion problem.
However, if the magnets are placed in a working system so as to have repulsion forces on one half cycle and attraction forces on the other half cycle, then the magnets will continue their magnetic field density unchanged as they will realigned themselves."
Quote from: HiggsField on April 12, 2009, 08:27:58 AM
Too bad! Stirling seems to be single handily discrediting the whole OU effort. Jumping on things before any proper duedilligence has been done. Creating hype around easily faked Youtube videos.
He's a hopeful well-intentioned guy but it did make me cringe.
On the other hand, the non-OU MYT engine does actually work. Not sure if it will get picked up, though.
@nyctuber
Thank's for putting me onto this. Looks very interesting. Not offten you come across truly inspired inventions. Be interesting to see the thermodynamic cycle of this engine. Do you no its efficiency? PM me.
Quote from: HiggsField on April 12, 2009, 09:31:20 AM
@nyctuber
Thank's for putting me onto this. Looks very interesting. Not offten you come across truly inspired inventions. Be interesting to see the thermodynamic cycle of this engine. Do you no its efficiency? PM me.
This guy's been kicking around since at least 2006 (not sure if thats good or bad) According to the info, it can hit 100% with ideal fuel position, but weight savings alone would make it inherently more efficient than a traditional engine. Not sure if the torque is what the guy claims either. I don't hold my breath on any of this stuff.
http://www.angellabsllc.com/
http://pesn.com/2009/01/13/9501512_MassiveYetTiny_Engine_to_Production/
They're looking for a 10 million buck investment. Gulp...
Quote from: nyctuber on April 12, 2009, 09:39:00 AM
This guy's been kicking around since at least 2006 (not sure if thats good or bad) According to the info, it can hit 100% with ideal fuel position, but weight savings alone would make it inherently more efficient than a traditional engine. Not sure if the torque is what the guy claims either. I don't hold my breath on any of this stuff.
http://www.angellabsllc.com/
http://pesn.com/2009/01/13/9501512_MassiveYetTiny_Engine_to_Production/
They're looking for a 10 million buck investment. Gulp...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGlUZg2pC0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itl9ipaIJ_o&feature=related
I was looking at the Massive Yet Tiny engine a while back, but not for combustion but for a magnetic motor.
The movement seems to be exactly what is needed to build a magnetic motor on a principal that I had tested and seems to produce OU.
It works like this:
At the points where compression takes place, the cylinder wall is a short iron ring while the remainder is either non magnetic or simply not there.
The cylinders are magnets or a ring of magnets setup for repulsion to the other cylinder.
Now when the thing runs, the first cylinder moves to the iron as it is attracted, while it's field is pulled to the iron the second cylinder moves into the iron also and is still attracted because the first cylinder has moved even deeper into the ring.
Then as they move together to the end of the ring the first cylinder starts to leave the ring but under repulsion while the second cylinder leaves the ring under repulsion again because the cylinder behind it had already moved into the ring and so it continues!
This means nothing if you have not studied the cycle of this motor. ( may still mean nothing regardless )
Principal: a magnet with it's fields attracted to something changes the shape of the field and can allow another magnet with it's field shape changed to move into close positions without the usual field repulsion.
what saga.
I hope that visit to Mylow's house happens soon and a third party see his motor running.
Why would Mylow start a new project if he had success already? Why would someone look for the "thing" if one has that "thing" already?
Sounds again like another circunstantial evidence against Mylow.
Sterling when are you planning to go to his house?
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 12, 2009, 12:12:04 PM
what saga.
I hope that visit to Mylow's house happens soon and a third party see his motor running.
Why would Mylow start a new project if he had success already? Why would someone look for the "thing" if one has that "thing" already?
Sounds again like another circunstantial evidence against Mylow.
Sterling when are you planning to go to his house?
Fausto.
from what I`ve read, Mylow`s channel magnets got too weak or lost their magnetism.
No point in Sterling visiting now as he does`nt have anything to see at the moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFgnfx2X4s
This event took place April 2, 2009 at San Jose State University, Engineering Auditorium; Co-sponsor: Golden Key International Honour Society at San Jose State University.
See the event announcement at: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Events:Breakthrough_Power_March_30_-_April_2%2C_2009
Video taken by Andrew Mount.
For a list (embedded) of all of the video portions of this event go to: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Video:Breakthrough_Power_Event%2C_April_2%2C_2009_at_SJSU
(presently being uploaded; should be done by the end of the day)
The Q&A session at the end (being uploaded) is worth consideration too, relevant to this situation.
Paradoxically, while we were talking about technology suppression at SJSU, Mylow was receiving a visit from the MIB guy.
How different might things have been if Mylow had jumped on a plane and been at SJSU showing this group his magnet motor, instead of being at home being intimidated by some NSA hack.
He had it running the day before because I had expedite-shipped the new stator magnet to him.
An example of how fear cripples and impedes progress.
Let's be brave everyone and stop letting the bullies scare us.
Nevertheless, I applaud Mylow for the degree of bravery he has exhibited.
Sterling:
As I have said previously, I respect what you do and what you have done, but I believe in this case, you are making just a few leaps of faith without any real evidence or successful replications. I spoke to someone who was in the intelligence community and he agreed that the NSA would have no jurisdiction or interest in anything like this. While I applaud your enthusiasm and appreciate your open-minded approach to the FE community, I really think you are going well beyond what the evidence, what little real evidence we have, warrants in this case at this time. Thank you.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
Sterling:
As I have said previously, I respect what you do and what you have done, but I believe in this case, you are making just a few leaps of faith without any real evidence or successful replications. I spoke to someone who was in the intelligence community and he agreed that the NSA would have no jurisdiction or interest in anything like this. While I applaud your enthusiasm and appreciate your open-minded approach to the FE community, I really think you are going well beyond what the evidence, what little real evidence we have, warrants in this case at this time. Thank you.
Bill
I do agree with Bill. Most if not all of us wants to believe Mylow's stuff is real and can be replicated. Then MyLow reappears on YouTube with his 'Parrot and Cat' show and then goes back two steps to 'educate' the community on some trivial bar magnet interaction from Radio Shack? Is this going forward?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: nyctuber on April 12, 2009, 09:39:00 AM
This guy's been kicking around since at least 2006 (not sure if thats good or bad) According to the info, it can hit 100% with ideal fuel position, but weight savings alone would make it inherently more efficient than a traditional engine. Not sure if the torque is what the guy claims either. I don't hold my breath on any of this stuff.
http://www.angellabsllc.com/
http://pesn.com/2009/01/13/9501512_MassiveYetTiny_Engine_to_Production/
They're looking for a 10 million buck investment. Gulp...
It seems that he wasn't the first one with such idea.
Wozniak's X engine:
http://www.hover.za.pl/pl/silnikx/eginex.html
http://www.gigawat.net.pl/article/view/268
Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hover.za.pl%2Fpl%2Fsilnikx%2Feginex.html&sl=pl&tl=en
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gigawat.net.pl%2Farticle%2Fview%2F268&sl=pl&tl=en
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
Sterling:
As I have said previously, I respect what you do and what you have done, but I believe in this case, you are making just a few leaps of faith without any real evidence or successful replications. I spoke to someone who was in the intelligence community and he agreed that the NSA would have no jurisdiction or interest in anything like this. While I applaud your enthusiasm and appreciate your open-minded approach to the FE community, I really think you are going well beyond what the evidence, what little real evidence we have, warrants in this case at this time. Thank you.
Bill
Remember Enemy of the State movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_State_(film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120660/
Quote from: nyctuber on April 11, 2009, 01:18:38 AM
Am I the only one who's looking for broom marks on the platter? :)
Probably! That part of the story could actually be true:)
I still think he turns the device by hand, and I was wrong earlier about which hand. Look at what I found, and let me know if I am crazy or maybe this is a possibility!!
In video #6 from here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
It's the main first "self-run" video I think. If you go up to 9:13, you can see his LEFT hand going for the shaft assembly.
Looks like he gives the motor one last push at the shaft, then realizes his hand was in the video, and then he said he will stop it.
Normally of course this is stopped with his "brake" system around the rim and not at the shaft.
Watch at 9:13 - 9:15 over and over, and tell me if it doesn't look like there is one last "push" at the shaft.
Thanks,
Joe
p.s. Mylow, this whole story is just totally unbelievable at the moment. I simply believe you when you said you wanted more interest into the HJ theory.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 12, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
Probably! That part of the story could actually be true:)
I still think he turns the device by hand, and I was wrong earlier about which hand. Look at what I found, and let me know if I am crazy or maybe this is a possibility!!
In video #6 from here:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/how-mylow-replicated-howard-johnsons-magnet-motor-video-114/635608831
It's the main first "self-run" video I think. If you go up to 9:13, you can see his LEFT hand going for the shaft assembly.
Looks like he gives the motor one last twist at the shaft, then realizes his hand was in the video, and then he said he will stop it.
Normally of course this is stopped with his "brake" system around the rim and not at the shaft.
Watch at 9:13 - 9:15 over and over, and tell me if it doesn't look like there is one last "twist" at the shaft.
Thanks,
Joe
p.s. . Mylow, this whole story is just totally unbelievable at the moment. I simply believe you when you said you wanted more interest into the HJ theory.
The video can also be found here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
#6 --- Hand spun rotor at 9:12- 9:14
Thoughts?
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 12, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
The video can also be found here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
#6 --- Hand spun rotor at 9:12- 9:14
Thoughts?
Joe
It's one possibility that may explain the variation over time in this analyse graphic (see link).
We possibly see at least three zones of deceleration. Each zone is composed of several samples, each of them slower than the one before (there for probably excluded a video compression problem from youtube).
Each blue dot in the graphic represents the time for a complete rotation which was observed and measured.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844
LightRider
the last video seems to be an old video that someone reposted on you tube and some people
thinks is a new video of mylow. It is one of his first videos.
Quote from: LightRider on April 12, 2009, 10:45:56 PM
It's one possibility that may explain the variation over time in this analyse graphic (see link).
We possibly see at least three zones of deceleration. Each zone is composed of several samples, each of them slower than the one before (there for probably excluded a video compression problem from youtube).
Each blue dot in the graphic represents the time for a complete rotation which was observed and measured.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844
LightRider
Yes, and now with the video, you can clearly see his hand move into the shaft, and leave the shaft area as if giving it a spin (it's right there at 9:12- 9:14 in video 6).
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
I want this to work as much as the next guy...
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 12, 2009, 10:56:16 PM
Yes, and now with the video, you can clearly see his hand move into the shaft, and leave the shaft area as if giving it a spin (it's right there at 9:12- 9:14 in video 6).
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
I want this to work as much as the next guy...
Joe
Just a suggestive point of view, this story seems to lose its scientific objectivity, at least it seems to have no new scientific evidence to support this discovery.
I encourage people who want to make copies of Mylow videos to do it.
They are all still available at this Backup page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
But in the event that no new scientific evidence does surface prior to 1 May 2009, these videos will be removed.
So make backup copy or a new backup page if you have the desire to kept all of them.
LightRider
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 12, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
Probably! That part of the story could actually be true:)
I still think he turns the device by hand, and I was wrong earlier about which hand. Look at what I found, and let me know if I am crazy or maybe this is a possibility!!
In video #6 from here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Videos
It's the main first "self-run" video I think. If you go up to 9:13, you can see his LEFT hand going for the shaft assembly.
Looks like he gives the motor one last push at the shaft, then realizes his hand was in the video, and then he said he will stop it.
Normally of course this is stopped with his "brake" system around the rim and not at the shaft.
Watch at 9:13 - 9:15 over and over, and tell me if it doesn't look like there is one last "push" at the shaft.
Thanks,
Joe
p.s. Mylow, this whole story is just totally unbelievable at the moment. I simply believe you when you said you wanted more interest into the HJ theory.
I looked at it again.
It is you who are mistaken. He brought his hand to the base to try and stop the wheel and quickly took his hand off to then just stop it from the left edge instead. Very normal thing to do. It is easier to stop it from the edge. That is not a trickery at all. He was in the process of stopping the wheel by 9:20, not turning it more.
Please make sure you observe correctly before trying to accuse someone of something.
Quote from: wattsup on April 12, 2009, 11:44:34 PM
I looked at it again.
It is you who are mistaken. He brought his hand to the base to try and stop the wheel and quickly took his hand off to then just stop it from the left edge instead. Very normal thing to do. It is easier to stop it from the edge. That is not a trickery at all. He was in the process of stopping the wheel by 9:20, not turning it more.
Please make sure you observe correctly before trying to accuse someone of something.
Accuse? Remember I said:
"maybe this is a possibility"
I looked again too, and it could go either way. Just a possibility. I'm sure the NSA analyzed that portion of the video over and over :)
Thanks,
Joe
Hi all,
This whole thread is funny and tragic.
Funny because people are debating senselessly something they do not comprehend.
Tragic because some of those same people are losing their time trying to replicate something they do not comprehend.
Mylow magnetic motor works but it has nothing to do with Howard Johnson's work. I am not even sure Mylow knows why it works. So trying to get him to tell you is also senseless and blindly trying to copy what he did without knowing all the constraints is USELESS.
Just tell yourself it is a fake and go back to research, once that is done, we can go back to a more "normal" life.
Take care all,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on April 12, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
Hi all,
This whole thread is funny and tragic.
Funny because people are debating senselessly something they do not comprehend.
Tragic because some of those same people are losing their time trying to replicate something they do not comprehend.
Mylow magnetic motor works but it has nothing to do with Howard Johnson's work. I am not even sure Mylow knows why it works. So trying to get him to tell you is also senseless and blindly trying to copy what he did without knowing all the constraints is USELESS.
Just tell yourself it is a fake and go back to research, once that is done, we can go back to a more "normal" life.
Take care all,
Michel
Mylow doesn't claim to know how it works. He studied HJ's design and tried to replicate it. Sometimes, this method leads to something useful, usually not. He's also applied what limited scientific method he knows to the project. Give the guy a break.
New Mylow vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2pw-JPD4o&feature=channel_page
Quote from: LightRider on April 12, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
Just a suggestive point of view, this story seems to lose its scientific objectivity, at least it seems to have no new scientific evidence to support this discovery.
I encourage people who want to make copies of Mylow videos to do it.
They are all still available at this Backup page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
But in the event that no new scientific evidence does surface prior to 1 May 2009, these videos will be removed.
So make backup copy or a new backup page if you have the desire to kept all of them.
LightRider
LightRider,
You have done a good job in your computer analysis. Isn't there something we can do to really analyze the videos, so there are no more questions from any of us? It seems several videos of a wheel spinning analyzed by the right, top notch people, like you:) would give us the correct answer, good or bad.
Maybe if you did another analysis, but on video #6, around 9:11 to 9:15
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 13, 2009, 12:16:09 AM
LightRider,
You have done a good job in your computer analysis. Isn't there something we can do to really analyze the videos, so there are no more questions from any of us? It seems several videos of a wheel spinning analyzed by the right, top notch people, would give us the correct answer, good or bad.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Joe
Thanks Joe,
The original video files could allow a more rigorous analysis by reducing the errors due to processing video. The video # 41b (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk) seemed the best candidate for the analysis due to the fixed position of the camera and the duration of the motor running on a continuous basis. The first analysis (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844) is based on optical recognition of the position of the magnets (motion detector / light) recorded from the video on youtube. The data thus obtained is probably very close to youtube video. But it is more likely that this video analyzed is degraded compared to the original video (the video file directly from the camera Mylow). Despite the possible degradation of the video questions remain.
Why there seems to have decelerations?
Why decelerations appears to be composed of a constant succession of samples, each of them slower than the one before (in a degraded video)?
Why, it seems, there is not a place in the video #41b where the velocity is really constant?
Why amplitude between the deceleration and acceleration of a single test seems to be so great ?
What are the possible factors that would created these amplitudes and... seem to consist of several data consistent with these variations?
Why 1 / 3 of the video appears to be a phase of deceleration?
LightRider
My personal feelings:
I have stopped by the overunity site many times, and also posted data and findings.
One reason I do not stay long is the high number of posts to read through that do not contain useful "information" about the actual devices.
A great majority seem to be posted by people commenting on peoples motives and speculating rather then actually studying effects and doing experiments.
I would consider this "emotional process" better placed on another site dealing with the suspcious nature of humans, and how it stiffels the creative spirit. Why would anyone making a discovery on here ever be motivated to share it? Especially knowing that many others would simply spend considerable energy attacking them personally and looking for how they are cheating rather then testing the concepts and models offered.
Even if you have a charlaton, what is gained by attacking them personally? Study the device and let the results be the proof. Leave the motives for the person to deal with.
This site is about "mind" overcomming the basics of self sustaining energy loops, as found in the atoms to be very real. It is about comprehension.
If you view this site as a "competitive race" where someone looses and someone wins, then we all loose.
If you view this site as a sharing of information, so nothing is lost, and effort is not duplicated by each person, it can become synergetic.
If mankind is to pull together and accomplish great things, we need to lift this shroud of emotional personal attack.
Serious experimenters will go other places where they don't have to deal with your emotional problems of who is going to be king of the ant hill. We are all equals and all deserve to be heard if we offer experimental observations that appear to work for us.
Not everyone can express themselves as a scientist, many come from the heart level. Many build from the heart level. Often these percieving from the heart level can find things we scientists miss. The fact we cannot explain them is frustrating.
Subject matter Question:
I have no desire to read through the several thousand posts on this thread, but would like to add some parameters about diamagnetic interaction you all may not be familiar with.
Has anyone here yet experimented with an Aluminum disc of 17.5" by 1/4" thick?
I believe this may have a bearing on why the machine of Mylows may actually work.
Also the magnetic layout is absolutly incredible from a diamagnetic standpoint of curving mangetic fields.
In the toroidal coil there is an "A" field intersecting the center. By cutting out half the ring you now have an "A" field that passes through the center and becomes reversed much like a lens will flip the image of light in a camera.
Mylows center magnet curves this field outwards, and the outer magnets curve this field inwards to the center. This is the field that normally radiates 90 degrees off the blotch wall of magnets. Curving it like this sets up a concentration on one side and an expansion on the other side.
If the magnet in this form actually flips the "A" field to a reversed effect at a certain distance, then this will fully explain how an Aluminum disc that should be recieving drag actually get a little push instead.
Ok, I have offered a scientific reason now for further investigation, what will you all do with this information?
You may want to study up on the "A" field and see what it is. Best guess.
The magnetic field near aluminum discs is very similiar to another device you all may be familiar with, the Hamel Cones. If you want to test this, research David Hamel. His cones vibrated up using rings of magnets on Aluminum.
I believe to have this actually work the diameter of the cones or rings is criticle to sucess. There will be standing diamagnetic rings forming on the aluminum disc similiar to a Joe Cell geometry. I recommend any serious in testing Mylows work, attempt to at least get this part accurate before claimimg it does not work.
I can only imagine Mylows frustration with this site, and sincerely hope he realizes there are experimenters out there taking this particular discovery very seriously. It has all the correct elements present to do something that is a common thread in many devices showing the "vibration" effect is very real.
I would also add that 1/4" is the minimum thickness to get a Joe Cell water effect. Anything between 1/4" and 1/2" will give a strong vibrational spin effect drawing in torsion field energy, if things are set up right. Using less thickness, down around 1/16" will not give this torsion field effect at all. If it is in fact the meat of the aluminum driving the wheels torsion force, this would be a criticle thing to duplicate.
Dave L
Quote from: LightRider on April 13, 2009, 01:23:04 AM
Thanks Joe,
The original video files could allow a more rigorous analysis by reducing the errors due to processing video. The video # 41b (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk) seemed the best candidate for the analysis due to the fixed position of the camera and the duration of the motor running on a continuous basis. The first analysis (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844) is based on optical recognition of the position of the magnets (motion detector / light) recorded from the video on youtube. The data thus obtained is probably very close to youtube video. But it is more likely that this video analyzed is degraded compared to the original video (the video file directly from the camera Mylow). Despite the possible degradation of the video questions remain.
Why there seems to have decelerations?
Why decelerations appears to be composed of a constant succession of samples, each of them slower than the one before (in a degraded video)?
Why, it seems, there is not a place in the video #41b where the velocity is really constant?
Why amplitude between the deceleration and acceleration of a single test seems to be so great ?
What are the possible factors that would created these amplitudes and... seem to consist of several data consistent with these variations?
Why 1 / 3 of the video appears to be a phase of deceleration?
LightRider
LightRider,
Maybe you could do another analysis, but on video #6, around 9:11 to 9:15?
Thanks. I have seen so many scams, it makes me leery of any new claim. Especially in the case of only videos as proof.
Nothing against Mylow. I hope he would feel the same way about this stuff. I can post many scam videos if you like! I have a really good one about a spinning magnet.
Thanks.
Joe
To All,
Can someone confirm or refute a hypothesis?
A strange coincidence has just made its appearance.
Analysis of sound of the video #41b appears to show some abnormal sound which seems to repeat itself.
(turn the sound up to maximum)
a kind of click repetition at approximately:
0:00 to 0:20
0:50 to 1:20
1:55 to 2:20
2:55 to 3:20
3:55 to 4:20
BUT... what is really strange is to compare this data result (timing of the sound) with periods of acceleration of this motor found in the graphic analysis...
Acceleration in graph at approximately:
0:00 to 0:15
0:55 to 1:29
1:50 to 2:06 (2:06 to 2:33 close to constant speed)
3:03 to 3:25
4:15 to 4:31 (4:31 to 4:52 close to constant speed)
The sound seems to occur at the same time that the acceleration in the graph analysis occur.
And during deceleration it does not seem to have this sound...
Please see for yourself and comment.
Data source...
video # 41b at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
Analysis at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844
(I will re-post of the graphic analysis with a better view on the time scale) => http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg171091#msg171091
Re-post of the graphic analysis (video #41b) with a better view on the time scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
Thanks,
LightRider
Edit: post of the strange sound on a graphic (video #41b) with a view on the time scale for comparison.
Edit2: (in attachment) the strange sound sample to look for in this video #41b (mp3). This sound is heard in several place in the video and lasts an average of 30 sec.
(This sample is only a few seconds of this sound so that you can recognize it)
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 01:26:26 AM
My personal feelings:
Has anyone here yet experimented with an Aluminum disc of 17.5" by 1/4" thick?
I believe this may have a bearing on why the machine of Mylows may actually work
Good post David .. thanks
You are correct - this site can be a real animal house sometimes. A new moderator has helped a bit so we'll have to see how that works out.
In reply to your question - my disk is 18 inch diameter 1/4 inch aluminum and i have spent many hours trying to replicate the Mylow effect.
See my vids .. user QueueContinuum @ Youtube.
With very little useful technical info it's difficult to replicate Mylow's motor. Best us replicators can do at this point is try to copy what we see . spacing etc etc. Up until now i have continued my tests based on pure faith that it is all true and that i might also stumble upon the solution but i will soon wind down my tests as others already have. Without useful measurements and specs it's all a guessing game.
With some accurate measurements provided it should be easy to replicate this effect or at least create some physical manifestation that validates it's existence.
If it's a hoax .. what a colossal waste of time ..
i really don't understand/never have .. the sick psychology of mind that wants to perpetrate such a thing ..
Go to hell .. do not pass GO
Q
I suspect that MYT engine is a total scam. Not a single video in existance of it running on anything other than compressed air, and when it does run at normal speed it's EXTREMELY LOUD.(perhaps that had to do with the air itself, no idea) Had to chuckle when the inventor revealed his plan to stick them in used cars. And he 'only' needs 20 million to do it. He's an.... aspiring used car salesman. LOL.
Ok.. I was momentarily confused by the "2006" award claim in one of the pages i saw...
It was actually for the year "2005" that the MYT won the NASA Tech Briefs "Design the Future Award". When testing for the award, NASA is reported to have burned fuel in it and ran it on a dynameter.
So you may find it very difficult to prove those "fraud" accusations ;)
Thanks for the updates,
I set up a 6 - 3/8" diameter 1/8" thick Aluminum disc, I happen to have, and started playing with a horse shoe magnet. What I notice, is at approximately 1" from the edge the Aluminum vibrates up in rings. Slide a finger very lightly along the disc even at the opposite end, and you can sense these rings. I feel this at forehead also. It feels like a pressure outwards from the disc at 1 - 1/2" in all the way around.
The ridge of the vibrating ring is exactly under the blotch wall of the magnet at about 1 - 1/2" inwards from the edge. There is a second ring back towards the center, as I slide the magnet back towards the center, they both flare up again. These are the vibrational resonant diameters of the disc for this magnet. You may be able to see this using a lazar reflecting to a wall at distance if you are not sensitive to torsion fields, I have not tired that one yet.
Vibrations in Aluminum will set up a standing wave, at the nucleus where the weight of the metal is actually located. Magnetic field can alter the alignment of the nuclear isotope chains.
OK now I place a magnet end bar across the horse shoe and the ring flips from a pressure outwards to an inflow vibration. This feels like a sucking inwards on the ring. This shows me the magnet "flowing flux" can in fact flip the vibrational torsion field in the Aluminum to a cold energy state.
Last thing I tried, set magnet at 1 " back and set the shorting bar on the edge. The vibration field goes Neutral. It stops!
I was most impressed as a sensitive of Torsion fields.
Here is my thinking:
Torsion fields in aluminum and other metals have a very exact linear length, and between vibration nodes the distance is very constant. There are certain distances where vibrations will rise more easilly then others.
These are the natural vibration distances found in nature. The distance across the electron shell, or the distance from earth to moon. These fall into natural fixed distances, and lengths built on octaves of these will vibrate up very strongly. You can multiply them by 12 repeatedly to get any size you want.
Diameter of a disc to the nearest hundredth of an inch can produce strong vibrational effects without using any magnets.
Now I have a confirmation that adding the magnets blotch wall over the vibrational ring will actually power it up and flip it inwards or outwards. This is hot or cold energy from a sensing standpoint.
I believe I read that Mylows ring is 17.5" in diameter.
Also on the second vedio it appears the magnet is way too far away to be propelling the wheel using magnetic field alone. This would also make sense if it were a vibrational torsion field effect.
All matter is made up of a dual opposing spin system at the atomic level, if you can unbalance the spin suposedly you can create motion. Aluminum has a magnetic hook at the proton level. Magnets can interact with it to create nuclear effects. They manifest first as vibration, and if vibration is set off balance into a rotation then motion is possible.
Because the precession frequency of a magnet is up around 1 Ghz at 1 Tesla this is a tricky balance. The Aluminum precession frequency at the neucleus is down at around 1 Mhz. They precess in opposing directions. The proton shell drags against the electron shell, and this is the wheelwork of nature always present and always stablizing the outer rings of the atom no matter how hard we hit them from outside.
Have been logging a few of these vibrational resonant lengths for some years now.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm)
May have to explore Aluminum atoms next it would seem. There should be a correct diameter that will raise the aluminums natural vibrations. If Myow has acidentally come close we may be able to get much closer by experiment.
We sould be able to measure the exact distance between the rings on the disc to discover this and then cut resonant Aluminum rods to verify it. They should vibrate up in a hand without any magnets present.
Will work on this as I get time.
Dave L
Quoteauthor=libra_spirit
...Because the precession frequency of a magnet is up around 1 Ghz at 1 Tesla this is a tricky balance. The Aluminum precession frequency at the neucleus is down at around 1 Mhz. They precess in opposing directions. The proton shell drags against the electron shell, and this is the wheelwork of nature always present and always stablizing the outer rings of the atom no matter how hard we hit them from outside.
Your theory makes a lot of sense. I've been searching the internet for quite a long time trying to find a formula to calculate precession vs magnetic strength.
Could you tell me where you came up with the 1G = 1T solution?
However, I did find this:
http://www.mariner.connectfree.co.uk/html/emr.htm
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
Thanks for the updates,
I set up a 6 - 3/8" diameter 1/8" thick Aluminum disc, I happen to have, and started playing with a horse shoe magnet. What I notice, is at approximately 1" from the edge the Aluminum vibrates up in rings. Slide a finger very lightly along the disc even at the opposite end, and you can sense these rings. I feel this at forehead also. It feels like a pressure outwards from the disc at 1 - 1/2" in all the way around.
Dave L
Dave :
Another great post !
i tried as you wrote above with my finger but couldn't sense the pressure ring on my disk .. 18 inches dia.
Then i took one of my rotor mags in my hand holding it lightly just above the ALI disk - maybe 1/2 inch over it.
With a clean disk - No other rotor mags on it and just the stator mag in place - i slowly spun the disk
Moving the rotor mag i was holding in my hand around a bit over the disk surface..
i could definitely feel the ring of pressure around the circumference at about the same distance in from the edge as my stator was and extending all the way around the disk .. almost as if something is putting pressue against the mag in my hand..
Do you think this effect has anything to do with what you are writing about above ? ? or is it something else altogether ?
Amazing .. !
what to do with that i have absolutely no idea .. but amazing non the less.
Thanks
q
Quote from: queue on April 13, 2009, 04:03:07 PM
Dave :
Another great post !
i tried as you wrote above with my finger but couldn't sense the pressure ring on my disk .. 18 inches dia.
Then i took one of my rotor mags in my hand holding it lightly just above the ALI disk - maybe 1/2 inch over it.
With a clean disk - No other rotor mags on it and just the stator mag in place - i slowly spun the disk
Moving the rotor mag i was holding in my hand around a bit over the disk surface..
i could definitely feel the ring of pressure around the circumference at about the same distance in from the edge as my stator was and extending all the way around the disk .. almost as if something is putting pressue against the mag in my hand..
Do you think this effect has anything to do with what you are writing about above ? ? or is it something else altogether ?
Amazing .. !
what to do with that i have absolutely no idea .. but amazing non the less.
Thanks
q
You might want to Google "Faraday Dynamo" -- even Tesla had an upgrade on this,
James
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 02:35:14 PMBecause the precession frequency of a magnet is up around 1 Ghz at 1 Tesla this is a tricky balance.
I've never seen those figures before. Are you referring to NMR, EPR, or spin wave? The NMR for iron is 1.4MHz/T, and EPR is way above 1GHz. As far as spin waves, there's no such fixed frequency per field strength in magnets.
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 02:35:14 PMThe Aluminum precession frequency at the neucleus is down at around 1 Mhz.
Where are you getting this info from? The NMR for Aluminum is 11.1 MHz/T, not 1MHz.
In all cases, the above resonances are so weak that it's almost impossible to detect in iron or aluminum. It's difficult enough with hydrogen, which ~ 1.35 million times weaker than hydrogen.
PL
A good introduction to NMR
http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/nmr/ (http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/nmr/)
At the bottom of this one some pointers on using a chart
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Motion.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Motion.htm)
A frequency calculator
http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi (http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi)
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Yes the repelling rings you are feeling are very much related to Aluminums ability to interact with magnetic fields at its location of mass or weight diamagnetically. The nucleus of the Aluminum atoms is floating in a field inside, at the core it is free to be tipped and manipulated from outside. The nucleus has a weak magnetic proton field just strong enough to align the mass spin direction, and also a neutron spin field bound together with it as the "strong force" area. This is where the torquing power is and also where the positive electric charge resides, while electron shell is bound into the bonding structure and not free to turn as easilly.
The normal interaction of induction is for the Aluminum to create a drag and a repulsion, as a magnet comes near it with motion. It will resist the motion, and it will also push away at 90 degrees to the motion. This repelling force is far stronger then a magnetic repulsion and aluminum discs can be shot out of magnetic guns with tremendous force much further then repelling magnets could ever do, by using a pulse of EM.
The ring shaped fields are an indication of the force you are tapping is similiar to gravity, diamagnetic, or strong force of the atom. These are all layered spherical fields and hold the atoms shells in place short of a nuclear release. The circular disc allow these fields to become coherent everywhere around it and form a loop increasing its larger fractal power levels. Strong force of the atoms is 137 times stronger then any electrons magnetic field and takes a nuclear explosion to break apart.
Key is to figure out how to make these forces reverse, and rather then drag, begin to propell the disc by pitting them against one another so they can no longer fully compensate internally. Carr used oppositly spining cones and pulsed them with magnetic field also using a voltage gradiant across them.
What allows this to be possible is from field reach. Magnetic field is short range, electric field is next and gravity or torsion is a much further reach field, it can hop longer distances having a linear drop off of its power levels.
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Off the ends of the horse shoe you have both poles at 90 degrees to the blotch wall. In this config they will spin with one another in opposing directions at the center of the gap 90 degrees to the blotch wall which has both spins cancelling. These will be rolling through the aluminum and set up opposing spin fields. Now if you place one pole of another magnet against this from outside 90 degrees to motion, it will reduce one pole and increase the other. If you reverse the magnetic pole inwards it should go the other direction.
Mylow indicated reversing the center magnet reverses the disc direction. This tells me that it is likely the main spin field from that magnets blotch wall propelling the disc. The outer magnets throw an imbalance on it pushing one of the poles inwards while expanding the other pole. This throws an imbalanced spin on the blotch wall??? To do this does not require much power at all, very weak magnets probably and not enough to slow the discs motion from magnets grabbing.
Are his outer magnets all one pole facing inwards? This might explain such an effect. If the outer magnets are normal at least he is more aligned with the upper pole then the lower one hitting the aluminum.
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The most active torsion angle off the ends of a magnet are at about 45 degrees as it passes through aluminum, but for the magnetic field strongest flux is straight off the ends. You can visualize this as a vibrating cone off the pole. I have never messed with the blotch wall before like this, but I have charted the exact angles between 42 and 47 degrees for maximum torsion transfer into materials like bismuth [highly diamagnetic] and Aluminum.
Anyway maybe you can see that the magnet has the ability to raise a field all the way around the disc, and also the overhead Aluminum bar may be setting up another one to somehow counter it and release an OU energy.
Thinking on this is that if you set up two diamagnetic responses with two surfaces at correct distance so they fight, now the nuclear response of the atoms will increase output power to try to beat one another. The larger mass will win and the wheel will spin up from the imbalance.
This sort of interaction now requires the overhead bar also be correct height and width for any actual power to come out of the interaction, if it is producing the opposing diamagnetic field. The driving magnet is closer to the overhead bar so its rings will align differently.
Playing with magnetic fields is very hard because of distances changing things so fast within only a small motion.
You can also alter the spin fields by placing a voltage on the elements. A positive charge of only a few volts will strip off all the excess electrons on one disc, and a small negative on the overhead may add many on it. These two charges will increase or decrease any spin effect being created between the two metals. This is because the positive charge is located inside the strong force area of the atom and coupled to the weight of the nucleus. The negative charge sits on the outer electron shells and reacts with the magnetic field more but not so much with the mass.
If you do hit on a field that starts to spin up the disc you can expect that voltages may appear across them also.
In the hamel cones these went extremely high. Voltage monitoring may be something to watch for.
Why does Mylows disc not accelerate rather then hold one speed?
This may be because he has filled all the rings using only one disc rather then making rings. In a diamagnetic layered field, rings spin opposite directions. The largest mass will be countered by the next smaller mass. Spin flips direction on each segment. The outer ring will be fighting the next one in. Searl disc shows this mechnism, where concentric rings move in opposing directions in a basic UFO type field.
Those are the fields found in nature so devices at some point will probably start to emulate them, best guess.
If the Mylow motor is not tapping this vibrational field then it is not likely to be of much use for any appreciable power as the magnets will quickly go dead. Opposing magnets always beat each other into a death state. Only hope there, is to harness the excess power and ultimatly add coils to replace the magnets or at least recharge them.
Dave L
NMR and magnets??? No offense, but you're a funny guy Dave. :)
Quote from: LightRider on April 13, 2009, 02:42:14 AM
To All,
Can someone confirm or refute a hypothesis?
A strange coincidence has just made its appearance.
Analysis of sound of the video #41b appears to show some abnormal sound which seems to repeat itself.
(turn the sound up to maximum)
a kind of click repetition at approximately:
0:00 to 0:20
0:50 to 1:20
1:55 to 2:20
2:55 to 3:20
3:55 to 4:20
BUT... what is really strange is to compare this data result (timing of the sound) with periods of acceleration of this motor found in the graphic analysis...
Acceleration in graph at approximately:
0:00 to 0:15
0:55 to 1:29
1:50 to 2:06 (2:06 to 2:33 close to constant speed)
3:03 to 3:25
4:15 to 4:31 (4:31 to 4:52 close to constant speed)
The sound seems to occur at the same time that the acceleration in the graph analysis occur.
And during deceleration it does not seem to have this sound...
Please see for yourself and comment.
Data source...
video # 41b at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
Analysis at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168844#msg168844
(I will re-post of the graphic analysis with a better view on the time scale) => http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg171091#msg171091
LightRider,
I am pretty sure those clicks are from a clock in the room. The clicks are once a second.
I have also had a clock on the wall that clicks louder when the second hand is doing most of the work traveling from around the 6:00 mark to 12:00 mark, then it is sort of quiet from 12 back to 6 as gravity helps the second hand down. I guess it's just a coincidence the the speed changes as the clock becomes quiet.
Thanks,
Joe
Hi all,
As I mentioned in the Mylow Replication - Discussion thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg168651#msg168651 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg168651#msg168651)
QuoteThe disk when it starts running becomes a Faraday disk.
One way of testing this would be to short the shaft with the outside edge using brushes and a wire to see if the ringing stops.
Take care,
Michel
Edit: Using one strand from a multi strands wire as to not dampen the effect in using very light pressure.
Quote from: Michelinho on April 13, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
Hi all,
As I mentioned in the Mylow Replication - Discussion thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg168651#msg168651 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg168651#msg168651)
One way of testing this would be to short the shaft with the outside edge using brushes and a wire to see if the ringing stops.
Take care,
Michel
Edit: Using one strand from a multi strands wire as to not dampen the effect in using very light pressure.
Thanks Michel
Hmm .. shorted the shaft holding the stator with a copper wire to the outer edge of the spinning disk .. made a good electrical circuit contact with the wire to be sure.
ringing still there ..
intensity still the same ..
Interesting ..
Hi queue,
If it is not electrical or mechanical (bearing induced), it is very interesting indeed.
If I think of anything else that could cause that, I'll post.
Take care,
Michel
I just saw this presentation from Sterling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFgnfx2X4s).
I am so glad this was not me talking.
Sterling, do you realize that you are promoting a motor not proven or even replicated, not even seen by ANYONE ASIDE FROM MYLOW? Is this what you call the scientific method?
I am not even saying this is not real but FIRST things FIRST and you are already promoting in conferences?!!!
That is a very easy way to loose all your credibility if this thing does not come up to be real.
Fausto.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 13, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
Ok.. I was momentarily confused by the "2006" award claim in one of the pages i saw...
It was actually for the year "2005" that the MYT won the NASA Tech Briefs "Design the Future Award". When testing for the award, NASA is reported to have burned fuel in it and ran it on a dynameter.
So you may find it very difficult to prove those "fraud" accusations ;)
'Reported to have burned fuel' LOL
And he wants 10 million. LOL!
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Mylow indicated reversing the center magnet reverses the disc direction. This tells me that it is likely the main spin field from that magnets blotch wall propelling the disc. The outer magnets throw an imbalance on it pushing one of the poles inwards while expanding the other pole. This throws an imbalanced spin on the blotch wall??? To do this does not require much power at all, very weak magnets probably and not enough to slow the discs motion from magnets grabbing.
i can't answer for Mylow's disk experience, but i sure can for my own. i know that the disk can move either way by changing the polarity of the stator(reversing it ) . It gains more momentum and travels further through each segment array when the rotor approaches the stator in repulsion- once it has traversed the preliminary repulsion and entered the gate it moves swiftly on it's own through the first array.
Conversely:
When the rotor approaches the array segment in attraction it produces a noticeably weaker transaction with the stator and can usually not even make it through one complete array segment before stalling. My magnets produce very little movement in attraction mode.
When the rotor approach to a segment array is repulsion the end of that array transaction will then be that the rotor is pulled back sometimes breaking free sometimes not .. depending on the length of the particular segment and how much momentum it has gained by traversing the array.
The rotor looses noticeable amounts of speed that was gained within the array movement .. after we have completed the array in the pullback phase of the transaction. i have noticed in the mylows videos that the pullback phase of his disk is less pronounced than in my own disk experiments and i have wondered why this is ..
i assumed because his magnets were weaker but perhaps it is why you said .. the atomic moment accelerating the disk forward is more powerful than the magnetic force pulling back ..
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Are his outer magnets all one pole facing inwards? This might explain such an effect. If the outer magnets are normal at least he is more aligned with the upper pole then the lower one hitting the aluminum.
Dave L
His magnets have both poles facing inwards ? ?
The south rotor face is glued to the disk .. the north is on top..
His stator's alignment is more favored towards the top half of the channel rotors so favoured toward north.
Mylow starts his disk by pushing the rotor through the repulsion gate at the beginning of or in the middle of an array segment.
IF his disk really SPINS there are going to be a lot of people in the world who want to know how it's working ..
Thanks for your insights
Q
Quote from: queue on April 13, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
i can't answer for Mylow's disk experience, but i sure can for my own. i know that the disk can move either way by changing the polarity of the stator(reversing it ) . It gains more momentum and travels further through each segment array when the rotor approaches the stator in repulsion- once it has traversed the preliminary repulsion and entered the gate it moves swiftly on it's own through the first array.
Conversely:
When the rotor approaches the array segment in attraction it produces a noticeably weaker transaction with the stator and can usually not even make it through one complete array segment before stalling. My magnets produce very little movement in attraction mode.
When the rotor approach to a segment array is repulsion the end of that array transaction will then be that the rotor is pulled back sometimes breaking free sometimes not .. depending on the length of the particular segment and how much momentum it has gained by traversing the array.
The rotor looses noticeable amounts of speed that was gained in the array movement .. after we have completed the array in the pullback phase of the transaction. i have noticed in the mylows videos that the pullback phase of his disk is less pronounced than in my own disk experiments and i have wondered why this is ..
i assumed because his magnets were weaker but perhaps it is why you said .. the atomic moment is more powerful than the pull back of the magnet..
His magnets have both poles facing inwards ? ?
The south rotor face is glued to the disk .. the north is on top..
His stator's alignment is more favored towards the top half of the channel rotors so favoured toward north.
Mylow starts his disk by pushing the rotor through the repulsion gate at the beginning of or in the middle of an array segment.
IF his disk really SPINS there are going to be a lot of people in the world who want to know how it's working ..
Thanks for your insights
Q
Thanks queue. Mylow's latest video does show the whole 8 magnets zipping right through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsEjdmPTQzc
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 13, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
Thanks queue. Mylow's latest video does show the whole 8 magnets zipping right through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsEjdmPTQzc
cheers
chrisC
More magnets in the following link zipping right through one section, but look at 15-18 seconds in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLKiasJrN1s&feature=PlayList&p=4270206C13BC0BD6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
Mylow had the same problem in his last video as a lot of us have had. Bottom line:
No reason to start a whole new design when we "had" one that worked. How crazy is this. Why no video of the last working one a day or so ago, and why take it apart????
Come on.
But, if the 1 in a million chance hits "again", and he gets it running and replicated, then all is good!
Joe
Quote from: chrisC on April 13, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
Thanks queue. Mylow's latest video does show the whole 8 magnets zipping right through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsEjdmPTQzc
cheers
chrisC
This latest video looks pretty good. Hope everyone caught that Mylow says both "poles" of the stator magnet are the same. Some replicators seem to have assumed one N and one S, but Mylow says the stator is magnetized thru the thickness. This is what he demonstrated in his hold videos with the compass which many of us passed on as an anomaly.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 13, 2009, 07:38:42 PM
LightRider,
I am pretty sure those clicks are from a clock in the room. The clicks are once a second.
I have also had a clock on the wall that clicks louder when the second hand is doing most of the work traveling from around the 6:00 mark to 12:00 mark, then it is sort of quiet from 12 back to 6 as gravity helps the second hand down. I guess it's just a coincidence the the speed changes as the clock becomes quiet.
Thanks,
Joe
Careful listening of 7 minutes of video #41b appears to show 5 times when there are "click" and they seem not consistent between each of them and not constant in the total time of 7 minutes ... the error is always something to consider... the conspiracy of the clock !
Thank you for your comment.
LightRider
Quote from: fleubis on April 13, 2009, 11:35:56 PM
This latest video looks pretty good. Hope everyone caught that Mylow says both "poles" of the stator magnet are the same. Some replicators seem to have assumed one N and one S, but Mylow says the stator is magnetized thru the thickness. This is what he demonstrated in his hold videos with the compass which many of us passed on as an anomaly.
The working (if it worked) model had the stator with N and S on the edges, just like a normal horse shoe magnet.
Thanks,
Joe
Quoteauthor=libra_spirit
Dave
Here's your bloch wall:
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg
2 T cylinder magnet parallel to the surface of one of my lenses...backlit with a tiny incandescent lamp.
The "shock wave" spiraling through the center of the magnet shows the gyroscopic twist of the field.
Molecules of iron spin into alignment as the field passes through the 'soup' between my lens.
You're seeing the lowest potential of the flux.
Resonance is resonance. NMR isn't RF.
Ok - had some time to kill so finally clicked the link for Sterlin Alans' event video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFgnfx2X4s
Check out the following in reference to the Mylow "motor".... (@ 6:15)
"I bet you anything that this technology will make it to the market in some kind of practical device within 6 months, EASILY. On sale, that you can buy, that will power something on a practical, cost effective level."
"This can replace every electric and gas powered motor. This can replace the turbines on an airplane."
That's some wild hype Sterling based on 'stories' from someone you've never met and a device that you have never even seen!!
:o
edit: at least I see you've toned down your claims of your $25 plans, thanks!
"We are hopeful that these plans will result in a working magnet motor, though it is still too early to certify that this is actually the case. As more time goes by and people have not yet been able to replicate his work, we are less optimistic that this will be an easy task. Getting the proper configuration of magnets with the substitute magnets has proven to be quite difficult"
Why, with very limited data , have so many chosen to ignore one of the few we actually DO have? The video that shows an extended run, with a fixed camera and large viewing angle.. (but NOT showing the start-up - yeesh ::) )
The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel.
"Oh, the magnets were depleting" :
but it ran for 18 hours @ 140 RPM without slowing down, but not for 4 min.??
"Oh, it was a hoax video to trick us into thinking it wasn't real because the MIB"
but he was too 'simple' to hoax us in the earlier videos, but now he's real good at it?
"There was a lunar eclipse in progress that caused a time-warp/space shift"
oops, I made that one up!
Quote from: queue on April 13, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
IF his disk really SPINS there are going to be a lot of people in the world who want to know how it's working ..
Thanks for your insights
Q
Wouldn't it be nice if Mylow was experimenting with the same new channel magnets as the replicators are, instead of radio shack magnets?? Just a thought.
I would like to hear one of the replicator's thoughts.
Thanks,
Joe
Quoteauthor=queue
The 'edge' (lowest potential) of the field is somewhat spatial and chaotic as it passes through other matter. The magnetic effect is minimal. However, as the susceptibility of matter increases, the flux reaches a higher density, and less passes through.
It induces the matter into order, as their domains align with the field.
This 'toy' uses poor quality magnets and the 'edge' isn't so well defined. Finding the right combination of field interactions to transverse their edges is like hitting the biggest jackpot any lottery could promise.
It's probably not something one could even calculate, even if one knew all the variables.
Remember the video where Mylow held up the iron filings to the rotor mags? It's quite obvious there's a Transverse Wave passing through the filings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transverse_wave
I believe the boyz at Steorn stumbled into the same thing. Crappy magnets-
Did you ever see a wind-generator magnet ? They're usually flat, curved, 120 degree Ferrite.
Wear out quickly, but easily replaced. Relatively cheap.
The wonder wheel. Take it apart and try to rebuild it.
They tried and failed. Mylow tried and failed.
and here we are.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
Quote from: fleubis on April 13, 2009, 11:35:56 PM
This latest video looks pretty good. Hope everyone caught that Mylow says both "poles" of the stator magnet are the same. Some replicators seem to have assumed one N and one S, but Mylow says the stator is magnetized thru the thickness. This is what he demonstrated in his hold videos with the compass which many of us passed on as an anomaly.
The original horseshoe magnet stator had been thru-magnetized when he bought it. He remagnetized it crosswise and subsequently (supposedly) got the motor to run.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 14, 2009, 01:12:36 AM
The original horseshoe magnet stator had been thru-magnetized when he bought it. He remagnetized it crosswise and subsequently (supposedly) got the motor to run.
similar to VTA ???
Quote from: libra_spirit on April 13, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
Thanks for the updates,
I set up a 6 - 3/8" diameter 1/8" thick Aluminum disc, I happen to have, and started playing with a horse shoe magnet. What I notice, is at approximately 1" from the edge the Aluminum vibrates up in rings. Slide a finger very lightly along the disc even at the opposite end, and you can sense these rings. I feel this at forehead also. It feels like a pressure outwards from the disc at 1 - 1/2" in all the way around.
The ridge of the vibrating ring is exactly under the blotch wall of the magnet at about 1 - 1/2" inwards from the edge. There is a second ring back towards the center, as I slide the magnet back towards the center, they both flare up again. These are the vibrational resonant diameters of the disc for this magnet. You may be able to see this using a lazar reflecting to a wall at distance if you are not sensitive to torsion fields, I have not tired that one yet.
Vibrations in Aluminum will set up a standing wave, at the nucleus where the weight of the metal is actually located. Magnetic field can alter the alignment of the nuclear isotope chains.
OK now I place a magnet end bar across the horse shoe and the ring flips from a pressure outwards to an inflow vibration. This feels like a sucking inwards on the ring. This shows me the magnet "flowing flux" can in fact flip the vibrational torsion field in the Aluminum to a cold energy state.
Last thing I tried, set magnet at 1 " back and set the shorting bar on the edge. The vibration field goes Neutral. It stops!
I was most impressed as a sensitive of Torsion fields.
Here is my thinking:
Torsion fields in aluminum and other metals have a very exact linear length, and between vibration nodes the distance is very constant. There are certain distances where vibrations will rise more easilly then others.
These are the natural vibration distances found in nature. The distance across the electron shell, or the distance from earth to moon. These fall into natural fixed distances, and lengths built on octaves of these will vibrate up very strongly. You can multiply them by 12 repeatedly to get any size you want.
Diameter of a disc to the nearest hundredth of an inch can produce strong vibrational effects without using any magnets.
Now I have a confirmation that adding the magnets blotch wall over the vibrational ring will actually power it up and flip it inwards or outwards. This is hot or cold energy from a sensing standpoint.
I believe I read that Mylows ring is 17.5" in diameter.
Also on the second vedio it appears the magnet is way too far away to be propelling the wheel using magnetic field alone. This would also make sense if it were a vibrational torsion field effect.
All matter is made up of a dual opposing spin system at the atomic level, if you can unbalance the spin suposedly you can create motion. Aluminum has a magnetic hook at the proton level. Magnets can interact with it to create nuclear effects. They manifest first as vibration, and if vibration is set off balance into a rotation then motion is possible.
Because the precession frequency of a magnet is up around 1 Ghz at 1 Tesla this is a tricky balance. The Aluminum precession frequency at the neucleus is down at around 1 Mhz. They precess in opposing directions. The proton shell drags against the electron shell, and this is the wheelwork of nature always present and always stablizing the outer rings of the atom no matter how hard we hit them from outside.
Have been logging a few of these vibrational resonant lengths for some years now.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm)
May have to explore Aluminum atoms next it would seem. There should be a correct diameter that will raise the aluminums natural vibrations. If Myow has acidentally come close we may be able to get much closer by experiment.
We sould be able to measure the exact distance between the rings on the disc to discover this and then cut resonant Aluminum rods to verify it. They should vibrate up in a hand without any magnets present.
Will work on this as I get time.
Dave L
Thank you Dave for pointing this out, especially your page on the OU properties of the flywheel is very interesting to me. I always thought the Mylow thing a great flywheel anyhow. But, not just for the Mylow case (with you suggesting that Mylow might work with an off-center flywheel effect), it is also of use for my IPMM research. I've been trying to engage a flywheel and gravity mass to break the equivalence principle of equating gravity mass with inertial mass and thus achieve OU for my rotor setup. And you confirm the correctitude of this search. Thanks a lot!
Aadhar
IPMM pages: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4449.0
Quote from: capthook on April 14, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Why, with very limited data , have so many chosen to ignore one of the few we actually DO have? The video that shows an extended run, with a fixed camera and large viewing angle.. (but NOT showing the start-up - yeesh ::) )
The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel.
"Oh, the magnets were depleting" :
but it ran for 18 hours @ 140 RPM without slowing down, but not for 4 min.??
"Oh, it was a hoax video to trick us into thinking it wasn't real because the MIB"
but he was too 'simple' to hoax us in the earlier videos, but now he's real good at it?
"There was a lunar eclipse in progress that caused a time-warp/space shift"
oops, I made that one up!
I agree, as I said in my post (page 202) before, that the thing is slowing down as soon as he starts talking. Such depletion as he claims I don't believe in. No way. Its a good flywheel as far as I am concerned....
Paul L,
Good to see you again! I miss our long bouts of sparring over diamagnetic field theory! You need to step into the nucleus of the atoms to cypher nature. The atom has three components to achieve sustainable motion.
Nice to see you are still out there, after blowing the lid off all the free energy with metglass and ambient heat absorption! LOL!
I suppose you still don't believe in Isatope chains liinking together in Aluminum or David Hamel. Manipulation of the nuclear mass, mass vibration effects, or Coherent torsion fields as we experience in Joe Cells running engines in cars. Had that experience this last summer.
I present the NMR course from Dr Hornak to give people a visual of what the nucleus of the atoms are doing. It is an excellent visualization and conventional science background. Some good math in there also, and you still have to admit the major weight of the atoms is located there also as well as the neutrons, center of gravity and strong force of the atoms, where the sum of the parts is heavier then the combined result of the nucleon assembled. First known gravity effect found in nature, and nobody notices. As well it can be tilted along with the external magnetic field no matter how weak the protons field is. My numbers are close enough for weak magnets, that are well below 1T to provide a feel for alignments of magnets and match the numbers where I find the vibrations to manifest with my equipment often enough. They show the order of magnitudes, if you want perfection then use the calculator and measure your magnets, I provided that URL also. A function generator up to 2 Mhz is enough to get these vibrational fields to rise up using scalar bismuth coils.
I would love to see you attempt to explain how the pulsing wheel can generate overunity power for Chas Campbel only by having a loose belt. Hmmmm maybe a mass vibration effect?
As far as the magnetic field not having a coherent precession, well what is a coherent magnetic field anyway? I have an experiment that will allow you to feel it as a cone. When you take two magnets and join them in attraction you get only two poles and one blotch wall. Where did the other two poles and blotch wall go anyway? One maget is now only a north pole and one is a south pole and only one blotch is left. A coherent magnetic field is "one field" end to end and all its parts become only a small part of the one field. One atom may now be a North pole and one atom a south pole. Break down an electron, and you get the same thing. Quarks forming one coherent field as an electron. Break down the quarks..... Neishiem Harrimen is excellent on the nature of fractals, leading edge physics. The field forces also are fractals.
If you cut a magnet through its blotch wall you get two pieces that attract, if you cut the magnet length wise through the poles you get two pieces that repell. In a magnetic field there is both attraction and repulsion.
If you want to feel the cone of a magnets pole wrap a coil on it, and pulse it with a low frequency say 100Khz, now palm the end of it in the air, see if you can feel the edge of the vibrational field on a hand. The cone joins the end of the magnet right where the magnetic field stops attracting metal.
Slip a copper sleeve over a long string of neo magnets, mine was four feet long. Slip an iron pipe over that to bring the field back around, and another copper pipe over that. The two copper pipes will spin against one another and create a strong torsion effect. If that does not convince you torsion fields are real nothing will! Set off the side and it will blow your pineal gland out the top of your head and might also make rain as the pressure drops. Palm around the string and you can feel the pressure of the cones at approximatly 45 degrees off both ends. There is truly a vibrating field produced when a stationary magnet hits a diamagnetic material. Cypher that however you want, its real.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Tube_Device.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Tube_Device.htm)
http://magnetism.fateback.com/OZ.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/OZ.htm)
Don't expect to find an answer to this in conventional science. Its not there.
Take care,
Dave L
[Rogue scientist and vibration sensitive]
Quote from: capthook on April 14, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Why, with very limited data , have so many chosen to ignore one of the few we actually DO have? The video that shows an extended run, with a fixed camera and large viewing angle.. (but NOT showing the start-up - yeesh ::) )
The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.
This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video. The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel.
"Oh, the magnets were depleting" :
but it ran for 18 hours @ 140 RPM without slowing down, but not for 4 min.??
"Oh, it was a hoax video to trick us into thinking it wasn't real because the MIB"
but he was too 'simple' to hoax us in the earlier videos, but now he's real good at it?
"There was a lunar eclipse in progress that caused a time-warp/space shift"
oops, I made that one up!
It seems logical (rundown of a flywheel), and even the waves of acceleration in the first part of the video is not a behavior that one would expect from a magnet motor which is left to itself.
(it is very unlikely to be due to a disorder of video compression simply because there are several data sample confirming the acceleration and deceleration )
This time-warp/space shift will soon cause a suppression of all backup videos if no new scientific evidence is unveiled... again, make copy if you want them ;)
(suppression: may 1, 2009 : http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1)
Thanks,
LightRider
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 14, 2009, 04:14:08 AM
I agree, as I said in my post (page 202) before, that the thing is slowing down as soon as he starts talking. Such depletion as he claims I don't believe in. No way. Its a good flywheel as far as I am concerned....
The depletion would be most likely over a longer period rather than quickly as the last video shows.
Thanks,
LightRider
Dave L., I'll keep it blunt as usual, and short. Years ago I spent too much time pointing out your errors, and you never listened. You ended up saying there was nothing anyone could say to change your mind. You're not a liberated being, so you're only playing guessing games with your intuitive/psychic science. In all these years you still haven't produced that "free energy" machine. The path I took, mathematics from conventional physics, provided a certain type of diode array made with ZBD's that produces a measurable DC voltage across a load, and the mathematics based on conventional physics shows diode arrays made with nanoscopic diodes will produce kilowatts of power. My point is, reconsider our previous discussions and stick to real science, not La La dreamy science -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_degree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_education
PL
p.s., All of your NMR numbers are incorrect. See one of my recent post for the correct numbers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIOgFv_94V8&feature=channel
is this old or new?
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/o-contraire/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
Quote from: zapnic on April 14, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
is this old or new?
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/o-contraire/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
old. it says May 2008
Quote from: zapnic on April 14, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
is this old or new?
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/o-contraire/video/x8s3bz_mylows-may-2008-attempt-to-build-a_tech
Title said:
MYLOW's
May 2008 attempt to build a magnetic motor
LightRider
Quote from: LightRider on April 14, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
Title said:
MYLOW's May 2008 attempt to build a magnetic motor
LightRider
Yep! And this is 2009. This whole thing didn't really start until the middle of March 2009, so it is a relatively "old"
Video Documentary (trailer for) of Howard Johnson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbqsWOK0uMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbqsWOK0uMo)
If nothing else, Mylow has stimulated interest in Howard Johnson`s work.
Sorry, I've gotten a little behind in reporting on my recent correspondence with Mylow.
There are some very great developments afoot.
Today he opened his box of magnets that I had shipped to him -- two complete rotor-stator sets; one of alnico, and one of ceramic.
He said the alnico channel magnets for the rotor are "exactly like what he had before -- same size and shape"
He was very excited to get them on the rotor disc and get them running.
What's even better is that the supplier, AllMagnetics.com (ask for Felix, mention promotion code "PES") has 700 of these in stock, with 1000 more on their way in a month. (Part number listed in the email below.)
And Mylow is now willing to let some of our guys in to witness. This is all likely to happen today/tomorrow.
Eddie Sines (http://www.potomacenergyprojects.com), PMMTester and LightRider are on notice to jump in cars / on planes to come in. I'm in the SLC airport set to fly out in 45 minutes to Estonia, so I'll not be able to go this time; but I have confidence in the three that are planning on going. LightRidder will be travelling 1400 miles from Canada to attend.
A quick note: Eddie, who will be the public face on the camera (the other two guys wish to preserve their anonymity), will need some help reimburse his plane ticket, if some of you who have offered could come through for him. He's willing to cover $200 of his ~$600 round trip cost. PES is bled dry right now, but I expect that with validation that the sales of plans will go up substantially, enabling us to reimburse his travel. http://MylowPlans.com
In other news, Mylow told me that he had his new configuration running as well (I didn't get a chance to ask him exactly what he meant by that). But he said it had a lot of up and down vibrations.
A couple of days ago he told me that he did a run-down test with this bar magnet configuration, and that without any magnets on the stator, the run-down time was around a minute, but with the magnets on, it was more than five minutes.
I saw a similar effect when I was playing with his version 1.2 configuration. With the stator magnet moved far away, the run-down time was around 53 seconds from 50 rpm to zero. But with a certain configuration, the run-down time was around 75 seconds.
In the last few days, Mylow seems in very good spirits, glad to be doing what he's doing and confident that good things are unfolding.
He's a hero, in my opinion.
I'm very much looking forward to these unfoldings.
While I'll have limited phone availability in the next few days, I will have internet, and can check my phone messages. PMMTester and others know my Skype username. I prefer to not give it out publicly.
Onward, and upward.
History in the making.
Sterling D. Allan, CEO
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
To: "felix" <felix@allmagnetics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Your Order
Hi Felix,
I'd like to modify this, if it's not too late.
I want the following sent VIA UPS NEXT DAY to:
[Mylow]
64 pcs. GALNCH use P/N HS253875 .
2 pcs. HS811N @ $10.00/pc. (not in stock, ship 07270 ...)
1 Magnetizer for Alnico Horseshoes (no charge "lend it")
2 pcs. CB60134 @....
64 pcs. CB-1434 @ ...
[...]
Thanks
| Sterling D. Allan, CEO
| New Energy Congress: http://NewEnergyCongress.org
| (Pure Energy Systems) PES Network, Inc.: http://PESWiki.com
| http://EnergyStork.com - newfangled products
|
| Profile: http://SterlingDAllan.com
| Daily news by email:
| http://www.freeenergynews.com/newsletters
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Quote from: sterlinga on April 15, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Sorry, I've gotten a little behind in reporting on my recent correspondence with Mylow.
There are some very great developments afoot.
....
Onward, and upward.
History in the making.
Great job Sterlinga! Let's hope this set of videos with witnesses will put an end to the many questions and failed replication attempts. Looking forward to the results.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: sterlinga on April 15, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Sorry, I've gotten a little behind in reporting on my recent correspondence with Mylow.
There are some very great developments afoot.
Today he opened his box of magnets that I had shipped to him -- two complete rotor-stator sets; one of alnico, and one of ceramic.
He said the alnico channel magnets for the rotor are "exactly like what he had before -- same size and shape"
He was very excited to get them on the rotor disc and get them running.
What's even better is that the supplier, AllMagnetics.com (ask for Felix, mention promotion code "PES") has 700 of these in stock, with 1000 more on their way in a month. (Part number listed in the email below.)
And Mylow is now willing to let some of our guys in to witness. This is all likely to happen today/tomorrow.
Eddie Sines (http://www.potomacenergyprojects.com), PMMTester and LightRider are on notice to jump in cars / on planes to come in. I'm in the SLC airport set to fly out in 45 minutes to Estonia, so I'll not be able to go this time; but I have confidence in the three that are planning on going. LightRidder will be travelling 1400 miles from Canada to attend.
A quick note: Eddie, who will be the public face on the camera (the other two guys wish to preserve their anonymity), will need some help reimburse his plane ticket, if some of you who have offered could come through for him. He's willing to cover $200 of his ~$600 round trip cost. PES is bled dry right now, but I expect that with validation that the sales of plans will go up substantially, enabling us to reimburse his travel. http://MylowPlans.com
In other news, Mylow told me that he had his new configuration running as well (I didn't get a chance to ask him exactly what he meant by that). But he said it had a lot of up and down vibrations.
A couple of days ago he told me that he did a run-down test with this bar magnet configuration, and that without any magnets on the stator, the run-down time was around a minute, but with the magnets on, it was more than five minutes.
I saw a similar effect when I was playing with his version 1.2 configuration. With the stator magnet moved far away, the run-down time was around 53 seconds from 50 rpm to zero. But with a certain configuration, the run-down time was around 75 seconds.
In the last few days, Mylow seems in very good spirits, glad to be doing what he's doing and confident that good things are unfolding.
He's a hero, in my opinion.
I'm very much looking forward to these unfoldings.
While I'll have limited phone availability in the next few days, I will have internet, and can check my phone messages. PMMTester and others know my Skype username. I prefer to not give it out publicly.
Onward, and upward.
History in the making.
Sterling D. Allan, CEO
| New Energy Congress: http://NewEnergyCongress.org
| (Pure Energy Systems) PES Network, Inc.: http://PESWiki.com
| http://EnergyStork.com - newfangled products
|
| Profile: http://SterlingDAllan.com
| Daily news by email:
| http://www.freeenergynews.com/newsletters
|
| Phone: +1-801-407-1292 (mountain time)
| Fax: +1-801-880-8322
| Eagle Mountain, Utah, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
To: "felix" <felix@allmagnetics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Your Order
Hi Felix,
I'd like to modify this, if it's not too late.
I want the following sent VIA UPS NEXT DAY to:
[Mylow]
64 pcs. GALNCH use P/N HS253875 .
2 pcs. HS811N @ $10.00/pc. (not in stock, ship 07270 ...)
1 Magnetizer for Alnico Horseshoes (no charge "lend it")
2 pcs. CB60134 @....
64 pcs. CB-1434 @ ...
[...]
Thanks
| Sterling D. Allan, CEO
| New Energy Congress: http://NewEnergyCongress.org
| (Pure Energy Systems) PES Network, Inc.: http://PESWiki.com
| http://EnergyStork.com - newfangled products
|
| Profile: http://SterlingDAllan.com
| Daily news by email:
| http://www.freeenergynews.com/newsletters
|
| Phone: +1-801-407-1292 (mountain time)
| Fax: +1-801-880-8322
| Eagle Mountain, Utah, USA
I already offered some financial help on the yahoo forum AND I AM VERY SKEPTICAL.
I want more than anyone to get someone there and witness this thing quickly.
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 15, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
I already offered some financial help on the yahoo forum AND I AM VERY SKEPTICAL.
I want more than anyone to get someone there and witness this thing quickly.
Fausto.
Fausto:
Are you skeptical he (Mylow) won't accept the $ and therefore the witness or skeptical if the wheel will turn on it's own? Can you please clarify?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 15, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Fausto:
Are you skeptical he (Mylow) won't accept the $ and therefore the witness or skeptical if the wheel will turn on it's own? Can you please clarify?
cheers
chrisC
sorry about that.
I mean that I AM skeptical of Mylow's claims as I stated many times in the past but at the same time I am willing to give some financial help in paying for someone's air plane ticket to go there and witness this machine once for all and eliminate any possibility of reasonable doubt that has been permeating this whole saga for so long.
So, although I am skeptical on this one case I am willing to be open minded and help to either go towards a real progress or kill this story once for all.
In short words, I am putting my money where my mouth is.
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 15, 2009, 04:19:39 PM
sorry about that.
I mean that I AM skeptical of Mylow's claims as I stated many times in the past but at the same time I am willing to give some financial help in paying for someone's air plane ticket to go there and witness this machine once for all and eliminate any possibility of reasonable doubt that has been permeating this whole saga for so long.
So, although I am skeptical on this one case I am willing to be open minded and help to either go towards a real progress or kill this story once for all.
In short words, I am putting my money where my mouth is.
Fausto.
Thanks for clarifying. Well, I think Sterlinga did ask for help in sending LightRighter(?). I think your 'money to mouth' efforts will surely be appreciated by all of us. Just to confirm that MyLow's show is no hanky-panky, irrespective of whether the MIB is real or not!
cheers
chrisC
I suggest that you take your own replicas to Mylow, and try to run them there, just in case there is some anomaly in the place where Mylow lives.
Perhaps also Mylow would help you to configure magnets on your replicas properly, while you visit him.
I just got off the phone again with Mylow.
The magnet that he is excited about, it turns out, is not from AllMagnetics, but from another supplier, who only has 20 more on hand (M646), with a lead time 4-6 weeks to make more. They are the manufacturer.
Mylow said the other alnicos I sent him, from AllMagnetics are a lot smaller. "They're tiny". He doesn't think they'll work with the stator magnets he has.
He's most comfortable with the M646's, so I encouraged him to go with those for now.
After talking to his wife, he's also backing away from feeling comfortable about having anyone besides PMMTester or myself coming to his home, so the entourage may be just one person.
Regarding the present set-up that is on his rotor disc (before he received the magnets from me), he said that they do turn full rotation and continue spinning, but he stops it because as it goes faster it begins to wobble too much. He said the bar magnets go all the way around on that one, with no sets with gaps between the sets.
He's still intent on getting channel magnets I sent him installed on the disc to see if he can get them to work, at which point PMMTester can come in to see it running.
I've gotta get on my plane soon, from Minneapolis to Amsterdam. Eight hour flight.
Have a great day.
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on April 15, 2009, 07:41:11 PM
After talking to his wife, he's also backing away from feeling comfortable about having anyone besides PMMTester or myself coming to his home, so the entourage may be just one person.
Regarding the present set-up that is on his rotor disc (before he received the magnets from me), he said that they do turn full rotation and continue spinning, but he stops it because as it goes faster it begins to wobble too much. He said the bar magnets go all the way around on that one, with no sets with gaps between the sets.
Sterling
I knew something would change, and there would be no grand analysis of his motor "today or tomorrow" I was just waiting to see what the reasons would be :) Anyone else feel the same?
And that last part of the "running too fast" has got me just about ready to jump off a cliff. I can't take it!!! Are you telling us he has a WORKING RUNNING all RADIOSHACK MAGNET MOTOR??? I don't believe it. Why even talk about it without at least a video. Let me guess, he is tired of people criticizing his videos?
Thanks,
Joe
What a waste of flippin time looking at this. Even if it works so what? It only turns a 33 rpm. Good for playing old LP's i guess.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 15, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
I knew something would change, and there would be no grand analysis of his motor "today or tomorrow" I was just waiting to see what the reasons would be :) Anyone else feel the same?
And that last part of the "running too fast" has got me just about ready to jump off a cliff. I can't take it!!! Are you telling us he has a WORKING RUNNING all RADIOSHACK MAGNET MOTOR??? I don't believe it. Why even talk about it without at least a video. Let me guess, he is tired of people criticizing his videos?
Thanks,
Joe
Prediction:
Mylow will take apart the running all radio shack magnet motor (that runs too fast) so he can start working with the new channel magnets he just got. We will never see the running radioshack magnet motor in action.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: bolt on April 15, 2009, 07:58:45 PM
What a waste of flippin time looking at this. Even if it works so what? It only turns a 33 rpm. Good for playing old LP's i guess.
Well, IF it worked, and it sure doesn't look that way, it would be a FIRST to WORK with magnets only. It could then lead us to bigger and better things, maybe. My thoughts anyway.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 15, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
Prediction:
Mylow will take apart the running all radio shack magnet motor (that runs too fast) so he can start working with the new channel magnets he just got. We will never see the running radioshack magnet motor in action.
Thanks,
Joe
Yeah it runs too fast lol. Of course, after posting 50 videos, he couldn't record it and put it on youtube.The stator magnet he has with forward facing pole was obviously cogging at the end of the group of rotors, yet with a full platter of rotors it's working so well that it runs 'too fast?' Oh look I have possibly the most important discovery in the history of mankind running on it's own, I think i'll just take it apart and not film it. This is absurd.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 15, 2009, 08:12:25 PM
Yeah it runs too fast lol. Of course, after posting 50 videos, he couldn't record it and put it on youtube.The stator magnet he has with forward facing pole was obviously cogging at the end of the group of rotors, yet with a full platter of rotors it's working so well that it runs 'too fast?' Oh look I have possibly the most important discovery in the history of mankind running on it's own, I think i'll just take it apart and not film it. This is absurd.
These stories are absurd I agree. They make the least sense of any story I have ever heard in the FE field.
If radio shack magnets work, wouldn't that be the "WORKING MAGNET MOTOR" that we all could replicate with ease? I have about 5 radio shacks around me, and they don't sell channel magnets. Go figure.
@ Sterling:
Be prepared that when you, or one of your representatives, (only one allowed now) arrive at Mylow's it will be just after another tiff with his wife and she will have "destroyed" this motor with her broom also. Can't blame her really, it is only the biggest news story since the printing press and she can't stand it being in her home. Wake up Sterling, I know you are better than this.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2009, 09:19:38 PM
@ Sterling:
Be prepared that when you, or one of your representatives, (only one allowed now) arrive at Mylow's it will be just after another tiff with his wife and she will have "destroyed" this motor with her broom also. Can't blame her really, it is only the biggest news story since the printing press and she can't stand it being in her home. Wake up Sterling, I know you are better than this.
Bill
Or maybe the cat ate the mouse which helped turn the wheel? JK. LOL!
cheers
chrisC
Chris:
Hey, knowing cats as I do, I think that bird's days are numbered. Did you see the look in that cat's eye when he was "playing" with the bird? Mark my words on this.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2009, 09:52:54 PM
Chris:
Hey, knowing cats as I do, I think that bird's days are numbered. Did you see the look in that cat's eye when he was "playing" with the bird? Mark my words on this.
Bill
I agree. Which cat wouldn't want a nice meal when they get a chance? My previous cat would always decapitate squirrels when given half the chance. I've cleared too many squirrel heads from my garage when the cat was alive!
Just hope Mylow delivers his promise to let an independent person witness and film his set-up. Well, if nothing pans out we'll know when to switch the lights off!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 15, 2009, 09:58:42 PM
I agree. Which cat wouldn't want a nice meal when they get a chance? My previous cat would always decapitate squirrels when given half the chance. I've cleared too many squirrel heads from my garage when the cat was alive!
Just hope Mylow delivers his promise to let an independent person witness and film his set-up. Well, if nothing pans out we'll know when to switch the lights off!
cheers
chrisC
And please for everyone that has a cat, do not cut it's wiskers!!
That is not a good thing for the cat. Google it if needed:)
Thanks,
Joe
NEW VIDEO...
combination magnets for a working motor diffrent magnet will require a diffrent setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJeEfUCR0aY
LightRider
new mylow vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJeEfUCR0aY&feature=channel_page
he shows a bunch of magnets and tells all how he has built 4 different workin motors now with all kinds of different magnets 4 workin motors now not 1 how awesome ::)
::) >:(
This is turning into an Archer Quinn type debacle - except in that case Quinn was borderline insane and Mylow is clearly just doing this for laughs.
I knew Sterling Alan was incredulous but that video of him pimping the Mylow magnet motor totally blew my mind. The last thing 'free energy' needs is a promoter who is unable to summon an iota of skepticism on claims. There have been so many valid objections to Mylow's silly motor, but Sterling has the chutzpah to get up there and claim it will be successful?! ::)
On another note - are posts on this thread still being censored or can I speak my mind now? Do I need to ask the censor for permission to post first? Is there a written set of guidelines on what is allowed to be posted?
Wizard:
Yes, it is called the terms of service you read when you signed up. I don't mean this to sound derogatory, not at all, but the rules are there. Posters that have violated those rules have been banned, as well they should have. Other than that, I have not seen any other kind of censorship exhibited on here at all. Quite the contrary. I have seen folks saying very terrible things about Stefan, personal attacks without merit, and yet, they did not get banned. Good for Stefan, evidently his skin is thicker than mine.
Bill
Quote from: LightRider on April 15, 2009, 11:35:06 PM
NEW VIDEO...
combination magnets for a working motor diffrent magnet will require a diffrent setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJeEfUCR0aY
LightRider
Well that does explain how he got the bar magnet motor working and why he didn't post a video. So I'm back to believing the guy and biting my nails. And we shouldn't expect Sterling to be post anything filmed at Mylow's, but 'if' he pulls it off at least they'll have a witness, assuming Mylow builds a new one wtth the non-depleted magnets and it doesn't run down by the time Sterling gets there. Amazing.
Very convenient how Mylow will only let Sterling (or his cronies) view this.
Does Sterling have anything to gain by saying, "Yes this is a working magnetic motor, I have seen it"?
Quote from: pillager on April 16, 2009, 01:51:29 AM
Very convenient how Mylow will only let Sterling (or his cronies) view this.
Does Sterling have anything to gain by saying, "Yes this is a working magnetic motor, I have seen it"?
Ultimately, no, unless someone can reproduce the device. And it's worth pointing out that Sterling travels on his own dime, and sends Mylow magnets etc on his own dime. Whatever he's made off selling plans for the motor has definitely more than been spent on magnets etc.
thinking.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 15, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Sorry, I've gotten a little behind in reporting on my recent correspondence with Mylow.
There are some very great developments afoot.
Today he opened his box of magnets that I had shipped to him -- two complete rotor-stator sets; one of alnico, and one of ceramic.
He said the alnico channel magnets for the rotor are "exactly like what he had before -- same size and shape"
He was very excited to get them on the rotor disc and get them running.
What's even better is that the supplier, AllMagnetics.com (ask for Felix, mention promotion code "PES") has 700 of these in stock, with 1000 more on their way in a month. (Part number listed in the email below.)
And Mylow is now willing to let some of our guys in to witness. This is all likely to happen today/tomorrow.
Eddie Sines (http://www.potomacenergyprojects.com), PMMTester and LightRider are on notice to jump in cars / on planes to come in. I'm in the SLC airport set to fly out in 45 minutes to Estonia, so I'll not be able to go this time; but I have confidence in the three that are planning on going. LightRidder will be travelling 1400 miles from Canada to attend.
A quick note: Eddie, who will be the public face on the camera (the other two guys wish to preserve their anonymity), will need some help reimburse his plane ticket, if some of you who have offered could come through for him. He's willing to cover $200 of his ~$600 round trip cost. PES is bled dry right now, but I expect that with validation that the sales of plans will go up substantially, enabling us to reimburse his travel. http://MylowPlans.com
In other news, Mylow told me that he had his new configuration running as well (I didn't get a chance to ask him exactly what he meant by that). But he said it had a lot of up and down vibrations.
A couple of days ago he told me that he did a run-down test with this bar magnet configuration, and that without any magnets on the stator, the run-down time was around a minute, but with the magnets on, it was more than five minutes.
I saw a similar effect when I was playing with his version 1.2 configuration. With the stator magnet moved far away, the run-down time was around 53 seconds from 50 rpm to zero. But with a certain configuration, the run-down time was around 75 seconds.
In the last few days, Mylow seems in very good spirits, glad to be doing what he's doing and confident that good things are unfolding.
He's a hero, in my opinion.
I'm very much looking forward to these unfoldings.
While I'll have limited phone availability in the next few days, I will have internet, and can check my phone messages. PMMTester and others know my Skype username. I prefer to not give it out publicly.
Onward, and upward.
History in the making.
Sterling D. Allan, CEO
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
To: "felix" <felix@allmagnetics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Your Order
Hi Felix,
I'd like to modify this, if it's not too late.
I want the following sent VIA UPS NEXT DAY to:
[Mylow]
64 pcs. GALNCH use P/N HS253875 .
2 pcs. HS811N @ $10.00/pc. (not in stock, ship 07270 ...)
1 Magnetizer for Alnico Horseshoes (no charge "lend it")
2 pcs. CB60134 @....
64 pcs. CB-1434 @ ...
[...]
Thanks
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Thanks Sterling for all your sincere efforts. You're the best for all of us under scrutiny. I would be very glad to be proven wrong by you in this case. My dream is also that magnetic overunity can be proven this simple. It would be the crown on my work.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2009, 09:19:38 PM
@ Sterling:
Be prepared that when you, or one of your representatives, (only one allowed now) arrive at Mylow's it will be just after another tiff with his wife and she will have "destroyed" this motor with her broom also. Can't blame her really, it is only the biggest news story since the printing press and she can't stand it being in her home. Wake up Sterling, I know you are better than this.
Bill
Not a bad projection Bill,
though I think, personally, all by myself, without assistance from the government or the Pope, the MIB will turn up and can the whole project. >:(
Hans von Lieven
Yes it is still moderated although I do like spending most of my time on projects (Mylow, TPU and more) then worrying about people that should already know how to conduct themselves in a public forum. Just keep it clean and respectful, no pot shots. I have not gone through the whole thread to do some clean up. What's the point, but thus far things read OK so keep it up guys. There's no shame in having a clean discourse.
Regarding @Sterlingas' post, I have not been able to get any specs on the magnet models he mentioned, like pull specs, dimensions, etc And what is the M646, there is nothing on the web on that magnet.
As far as helping out with finances, my help budget was sort of depleted when we all helped JackH (pretty sizable) with his patent expenses and we have not heard from him for a long while. So I am kind of dry in that department. But guys here should be able to pool "some" resources. That is if it is still required since now it is said that Mylow will only accept one witness. One is better then none.
OK, back to my own tests. lol
Quote from: wattsup on April 16, 2009, 07:44:31 AM
Regarding @Sterlingas' post, I have not been able to get any specs on the magnet models he mentioned, like pull specs, dimensions, etc And what is the M646, there is nothing on the web on that magnet.
M646 are the magnets that i have been using and i will be trying to replicate his disk config whenever he shows us one ..
i have 125 of those mags ..
i will picking up one of the big red stators he showed us today so i should be ready when ever Mylow is.
There is slight difference in the diameter of our disks - his is 17 1/2 inches ( is that the size stated in specs ? )
where mine is 18 inch. Lets hope the effect has nothing to do with the precise size of the ALI disk ..
Q
@queue
Were did you get them M646s. lol
What is the spec on that, like pull, etc.
If you have too many, do you want to sell some. Maybe go halfers. lol
You can PM me if you have interest. I'm in Terrebonne. My brother lives in NDG.
My friend that has a water jet cutter has told me I have till end of the month cause he will be selling his cutting table. He has lots of AL plates from 3/8" to 1.5". I will get him to cut me a disk of 18", 1/2" and have another guy put in the groove I designed to permit the rotors to quickly position themselves.
Neos magnets are fun but they are way to strong and when you have all rotor segments around the wheel, the (too give it a name) "magnetic crowning effect" (or MCE for short) is so strong around that wheel that any attempt to make the wheel turn by placing the stator(s) in any position is just wasting time. Actually if you had segments that could be raised and lowered on levers, it would make a damn good magnetic clutch. lol
When you consider Mylows upright channel rotors with stator in front, and his flat placed bar magnets with stator pointing downwards, you can understand the commonality of these two approaches are generally the same. Must mean something.
I have an idea on this wheel for strong neos magnets and will post something on the Discussion thread maybe tonight.
Quote from: wattsup on April 16, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
@queue
Were did you get them M646s. lol
What is the spec on that, like pull, etc.
If you have too many, do you want to sell some. Maybe go halfers. lol
You can PM me if you have interest. I'm in Terrebonne. My brother lives in NDG.
My friend that has a water jet cutter has told me I have till end of the month cause he will be selling his cutting table. He has lots of AL plates from 3/8" to 1.5". I will get him to cut me a disk of 18", 1/2" and have another guy put in the groove I designed to permit the rotors to quickly position themselves.
Neos magnets are fun but they are way to strong and when you have all rotor segments around the wheel, the (too give it a name) "magnetic crowning effect" (or MCE for short) is so strong around that wheel that any attempt to make the wheel turn by placing the stator(s) in any position is just wasting time. Actually if you had segments that could be raised and lowered on levers, it would make a damn good magnetic clutch. lol
When you consider Mylows upright channel rotors with stator in front, and his flat placed bar magnets with stator pointing downwards, you can understand the commonality of these two approaches are generally the same. Must mean something.
I have an idea on this wheel for strong neos magnets and will post something on the Discussion thread maybe tonight.
The M646's are from some Chinese company. Queue never answers that question but it was covered a few pages back. Sterling is working on getting some, someone else said you can contact the co. directly and they'll sell them for about a buck a piece I think.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 15, 2009, 03:23:16 PMPES is bled dry right now, but I expect that with validation that the sales of plans will go up substantially, enabling us to reimburse his travel.
I spoke with Mylow a few minutes ago, calling him from my hotel in Estonia (the number here, by the way, is 372-666-4800, room 216).
He said he started working on the motor last night, and got it to that "smooth operation" that he talks about, with two or three sets of magnets.
He said that he's going with the ceramic magnets that are about 1/4 times larger than what he was using before, but which are shaped "perfectly". These are the magnets that Queue has on his replication. And Mylow is using the HS811N stator from AllMagnetics.com.
He had to get some sleep last night, as today is a big day for his work, with the Greek holidays. He plans on getting back to it when he gets home from work later today, finishing out the pattern that he started last night.
He said that in this case, the pattern is 4 magnets, followed by a small gap of about 2 inches, then the next set of four.
He keeps making the point, nearly every time we talk, that when you change either the rotor or stator size/shape, you have to find the new relationship between the pattern of the rotor magnets and the stator. The magnet strength doesn't seem to be a factor. It seems to be more one of the size and shape, relative to one another.
So PMMTester, be ready to jump on a plane.
It's nearly 8:00 pm here, while it is noon in Chicago. I had a nice flight over, everything running smoothly.
My presentation is tomorrow at 11:30 am -- which will be 3:30 am Chicago time.
So PMMTester, don't hesitate to call any time to leave a message about how things are going.
I really am hoping to be able to make an announcement at this geothermal conference, that Mylow's magnet motor has been validated, and that geothermal is not the only baseload capable renewable energy source.
Mylow, if you're reading this, I hope you will strongly consider allowing Eddie Sines to come along with PMMTester. Eddie is fine with having his face on camera, and he has a credible reputation in the scientific community.
Sterling
@all
new vid from mylow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXaaw63l520
cat
all mylow /Projectmagma videos
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=Projectmagma&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
and his cat trying to get along with his bird [cat lost]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy6qRZdTJRo
Quote from: nyctuber on April 16, 2009, 10:10:16 AM
The M646's are from some Chinese company. Queue never answers that question but it was covered a few pages back. Sterling is working on getting some, someone else said you can contact the co. directly and they'll sell them for about a buck a piece I think.
The company is a magnet manufacturer not a retailer . .the guy who sold me the magnets did me favour as they do not normally sell to the public, the only reason he did so is i already knew him.
i respect his wish that i do not give out their Contact info.
When Sterling asked me about these magnets i called my contact and asked him if he minded that i gave his name to Sterling who then puchased the remaining inventory to send to Mylow
Anyway the question is moot.
The manufacturer who is situated in the USA does not currently have any inventory of this item.. they can however run a batch - lead time 4 to six weeks which is what Sterling told y'all.
Cheers
Q
Quote from: wattsup on April 16, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
@queue
Were did you get them M646s. lol
What is the spec on that, like pull, etc.
Hmm not sure about the pull spec - they are Alinco 5
Quote from: wattsup on April 16, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
If you have too many, do you want to sell some. Maybe go halfers. lol
You can PM me if you have interest. I'm in Terrebonne. My brother lives in NDG.
When i ordered it was because i wanted to build two platters .. which i did.. the second one arrives Friday .. latest monday .. so i pretty much need all the mags i purchased .. Sorry
Quote from: wattsup on April 16, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
My friend that has a water jet cutter has told me I have till end of the month cause he will be selling his cutting table. He has lots of AL plates from 3/8" to 1.5". I will get him to cut me a disk of 18", 1/2" and have another guy put in the groove I designed to permit the rotors to quickly position themselves.
When you consider Mylows upright channel rotors with stator in front, and his flat placed bar magnets with stator pointing downwards, you can understand the commonality of these two approaches are generally the same. Must mean something.
if it works i guess we will have to figure out afterwords whats really happening .. Maybe some really smart people already know that .. or i think maybe theres a few already preparing their theories..
Guess we'll find out soon enough..
i got my new stators today too so i'm ready if Mylow can show me the config that works .. we have the same mags and pretty much the same disk size.
Cheers
Q
@queue
Thanks for the clarification but can you muster up any specs on those rotors since Mylow will be using them also, it would be good to know what the pull rating is. I saw the dimensions you put up on the other thread. If there is no pull spec, we should devise a standard method to see how much lift they can have. Guys are running blindly with so many channel magnets out there it is easy to get knocked out of the ball park even before you start. So some specs would be good.
Added: Just saw your second post.
Regarding the pull spec, if there is none, try and see if you have any good quantity of screws, or washers that you can stick the rotor magnet into and pull up as much as you can, then weight it. Then let us know what you used and how much was lifted. This will at least give us some idea.
I spoke today with my metal shop guy and there is no problem for him to make a nice groove on the inside edge of my future wheel. It will be 18" dia. and 1/2" thick, it will have a 1" shaft and the base will be dual bearing loaded.
Oh, if you read @Sterlings last post, he says Mylow was putting the rotors in segments of 4 with about 2" between segments.
I'll probably mention Mylow in my presentation, even though we don't have independent validatation yet. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, I saw an increased slow-down time in one configuration I did. Control: 58 seconds; my config: 75 seconds. There was some king of assist going on.
FYI, my batteries are almost dead, so I'll not have access to my computer for a couple of days.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: [PMMTestser]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Mylow 7:30 PM CST 4/16/09 update
Just talked to Mylow. Figured I would give him some time before calling because of his work load.
It was 7:30 PM Central time. He said it had been a busy day and he had not worked on the motor yet.
He thanked me for sending the digital tachometer. He said he needed to go get a 9 volt battery.
He understands the important of getting the motor done but he is quite busy at work this week. He doesn't want to get worn down again.
He mentioned two people came to work today at 11:00AM looking for him. They saw his boss who said that he was out making deliveries.
The boss said there was a male and a female and they were both dressed up. The guy had a briefcase. He said they showed his boss badges and said they looked like FBI badges. After that they left.
I don't think I would mention this on the internet. If you talk to him see how it plays out.
He said he would call me later and let me know his progress.
The FBI ??? :'(
Quote from: B.Lane on April 17, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
I'll probably mention Mylow in my presentation, even though we don't have independent validatation yet. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, I saw an increased slow-down time in one configuration I did. Control: 58 seconds; my config: 75 seconds. There was some king of assist going on.
FYI, my batteries are almost dead, so I'll not have access to my computer for a couple of days.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: [PMMTestser]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Mylow 7:30 PM CST 4/16/09 update
Just talked to Mylow. Figured I would give him some time before calling because of his work load.
It was 7:30 PM Central time. He said it had been a busy day and he had not worked on the motor yet.
He thanked me for sending the digital tachometer. He said he needed to go get a 9 volt battery.
He understands the important of getting the motor done but he is quite busy at work this week. He doesn't want to get worn down again.
He mentioned two people came to work today at 11:00AM looking for him. They saw his boss who said that he was out making deliveries.
The boss said there was a male and a female and they were both dressed up. The guy had a briefcase. He said they showed his boss badges and said they looked like FBI badges. After that they left.
I don't think I would mention this on the internet. If you talk to him see how it plays out.
He said he would call me later and let me know his progress.
The FBI ??? :'(
Oh brother.
Hi all
MyLOW wheel + Joule Thief = Continuous power output
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQM8WbCq2Y
from [TinselKoala] at alt.snakeoil ?????
cat
Quote from: powercat on April 18, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Hi all WOW
MyLOW wheel + Joule Thief = Continuous power output
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQM8WbCq2Y
from [TinselKoala]
cat
Thank you CAT for posting. It's very impressive. What is that circular gadget angled off the stator arm?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: powercat on April 18, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Hi all WOW
MyLOW wheel + Joule Thief = Continuous power output
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQM8WbCq2Y
from [TinselKoala]
cat
TinselKoala seems like a knowledgable guy, too bad he's such an angry sh*thead. The vid obviously shows a power assisted wheel, you clearly see where it kicks in. What a total waste of time.
Looks like 3 groups of 6 alnico channel magnets with wide spacings, then 3 groups of 2 each within
each group of 6 with smaller spacings. At least one of the groups of 6 has the rotor magnets oriented with NS at top and bottom then each successive rotor magnet is tilted more and more until the 6th one is
NS at left and right. Maybe to moderate the repulsion hill going in. Looks like about 70 rpm or so - pretty good.
Looks like he's got something taped on underneath the rotor with the purple tape. I'm guessing a thin
steel permeability plate to sink the B fields. This leaves HJ's assymetrical vortical spin fields to spin
the device. Weird - 2 sets of 6 still have the keepers on. Definitely killing B fields! Brilliant Al! HJ
would be proud!
TinselKoala is Alsetalokins alter ego. He thinks by not talking we won't figure this out!
Hi chrisC
QuoteWhat is that circular gadget angled off the stator arm?
it's a drive motor / steper motor. being used as a generator to run the Joule Thief
video is from TinselKoala a member here he hasn't posted anything since February
cat
Two groups of magnets still have their keepers on?
I like the idea of rotating the polarity though, be interesting to see what happens with a Plexiglas rotor.
Quote from: powercat on April 18, 2009, 03:46:47 PM
Hi chrisC
it's a drive motor / steper motor. being used as a generator to run the Joule Thief
video is from TinselKoala a member here he hasn't posted anything since February
cat
Thank you Cat. Apparently TK has confirmed he has replicated myLow's experiment plus a bunch of other improvements according to the replies to the video. I'm excited and hopefully TK can show us what he has done so far.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 18, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
Thank you Cat. Apparently TK has confirmed he has replicated myLow's experiment plus a bunch of other improvements according to the replies to the video. I'm excited and hopefully TK can show us what he has done so far.
cheers
chrisC
Yes this is looking promising,
I can't wait to hear what Mylow and The Sterling Exploration make of it
cat
What I don't understand is these armchair scientists sitting here in the thread who call everything they see a hoax, because it does not match their belief system.
20th Century has seen way too many scribes who love to throw numbers onto the paper or blackboard, but would not get their hands dirty because the numbers did not confirm it. That's worse than Astrology and I do believe Astrology has more merit than most of the quantitative sciences today.
Instead, why don't you all get up (from your armchairs) and build yourselves a similar rig then disprove it hands-on, instead of tossing it out the window without doing any physical testing. Or have you forgotten what the basic premise of science was back when it was created (the fundamentals about experimentation)?
Quote from: amigo on April 18, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
What I don't understand is these armchair scientists sitting here in the thread who call everything they see a hoax, because it does not match their belief system.
20th Century has seen way too many scribes who love to throw numbers onto the paper or blackboard, but would not get their hands dirty because the numbers did not confirm it. That's worse than Astrology and I do believe Astrology has more merit than most of the quantitative sciences today.
Instead, why don't you all get up (from your armchairs) and build yourselves a similar rig then disprove it hands-on, instead of tossing it out the window without doing any physical testing. Or have you forgotten what the basic premise of science was back when it was created (the fundamentals about experimentation)?
Absolutely right! Because there are these self taught 'scientist' that must have university certified and mathematically proofs before they can believe things they have no clue themselves. Those that post a lot about their own discoveries and cannot see that perhaps an honest truck driver in Chicago happen to discover something they don't understand and therefore it must be hoax!
TK was skeptical at first but he is a good engineer and does an excellent job with his ability to replicating with fine tools at his disposal. I would love to see TK have his own thread on his own TK magnet wheel?
cheers
chrisC
I have not logged-on here at OU for weeks, (if not months.) Today is the first day that I have seen Mylow's device. With over two-thousand replies so far, I have not had a chance to read every one. So, I apologize if my following thought has already been mentioned:
If I allow two magnets to naturally attract to one another, with a N-S at one side and a S-N at the other, (not simply a N-S face orientation,) and then I twist the two magnets 90 degrees out of alignment with my fingers, I can feel a torque between them wanting to twist them back into the original attraction configuration. I think this is the simple key to Mylow's device.
He prevents them from torquing back into position by securing them, one in a fixed position, (the stator,) and many on a flat plane allowed to flow past the stator. Each magnet glued on the plate wants to twist just a little bit to align with the stator magnet and, as a result, it ends-up moving the plate just a little bit, bringing the next magnet into a position to want to twist. But none of them can twist because of the orientation of the plate, so each magnet moves the plate just a little bit and then they all add-up to a rotation of the plate. Simple.
I generally have no faith in permanent magnet motors. This torque of which I speak is most likely mitigated by the sum total of the approach and departure forces to the stator magnet. But, I thought I might throw-in my two cents to be buried with another two thousand replies.
Thanks for noticing. ;)
Quote from: chrisC on April 18, 2009, 05:33:00 PM
Absolutely right! Because there are these self taught 'scientist' that must have university certified and mathematically proofs before they can believe things they have no clue themselves. Those that post a lot about their own discoveries and cannot see that perhaps an honest truck driver in Chicago happen to discover something they don't understand and therefore it must be hoax!
TK was skeptical at first but he is a good engineer and does an excellent job with his ability to replicating with fine tools at his disposal. I would love to see TK have his own thread on his own TK magnet wheel?
cheers
chrisC
Did you not notice's TK's comment that his 'results' should be taken with a liberal grain of salt? He's publishing it under 'alt.snakeoil' for God's sake. I think the guy just gets off on mocking Mylow. Seems like an utter creep.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 18, 2009, 05:51:08 PM
Did you not notice's TK's comment that his 'results' should be taken with a liberal grain of salt? He's publishing it under 'alt.snakeoil' for God's sake. I think the guy just gets off on mocking Mylow. Seems like an utter creep.
That's fine, but my point was that it is always so easy to discard something from the comfort of your "armchair", without taking into consideration possible work (thinking and tinkering) that has gone into creating something. Many people have had their dreams shot down by real (and amrchair) scientists because what they dreamt of did not match the dogmatic view the science had (and still has).
Let no one tell you what's real and what's not real; or what's possible and what's not possible. Instead, go find out for yourself... :)
Quote from: amigo on April 18, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
That's fine, but my point was that it is always so easy to discard something from the comfort of your "armchair", without taking into consideration possible work (thinking and tinkering) that has gone into creating something. Many people have had their dreams shot down by real (and amrchair) scientists because what they dreamt of did not match the dogmatic view the science had (and still has).
Let no one tell you what's real and what's not real; or what's possible and what's not possible. Instead, go find out for yourself... :)
You misunderstood me, I agree with you.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 18, 2009, 05:51:08 PM
Did you not notice's TK's comment that his 'results' should be taken with a liberal grain of salt? He's publishing it under 'alt.snakeoil' for God's sake. I think the guy just gets off on mocking Mylow. Seems like an utter creep.
Well, give him the benefit of the doubt. Why would anyone go through all these efforts to mock someone else? He may have been skeptical at first but I think he has discovered some truths too and he's just trying to make sure he has enough data points to prove or disprove the theories.
Time will tell but I see the videos & torque as real. Didn't you?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 18, 2009, 06:06:18 PM
Well, give him the benefit of the doubt. Why would anyone go through all these efforts to mock someone else? He may have been skeptical at first but I think he has discovered some truths too and he's just trying to make sure he has enough data points to prove or disproof the theories.
Time will tell but I see the videos & torque as real. Didn't you?
cheers
chrisC
Why would anything he's showing under the category of snake oil be real.
Added by moderator.
I took out your first sentence. Such qualifications are not permitted.
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
I have not logged-on here at OU for weeks, (if not months.) Today is the first day that I have seen Mylow's device. With over two-thousand replies so far, I have not had a chance to read every one. So, I apologize if my following thought has already been mentioned:
If I allow two magnets to naturally attract to one another, with a N-S at one side and a S-N at the other, (not simply a N-S face orientation,) and then I twist the two magnets 90 degrees out of alignment with my fingers, I can feel a torque between them wanting to twist them back into the original attraction configuration. I think this is the simple key to Mylow's device.
He prevents them from torquing back into position by securing them, one in a fixed position, (the stator,) and many on a flat plane allowed to flow past the stator. Each magnet glued on the plate wants to twist just a little bit to align with the stator magnet and, as a result, it ends-up moving the plate just a little bit, bringing the next magnet into a position to want to twist. But none of them can twist because of the orientation of the plate, so each magnet moves the plate just a little bit and then they all add-up to a rotation of the plate. Simple.
I generally have no faith in permanent magnet motors. This torque of which I speak is most likely mitigated by the sum total of the approach and departure forces to the stator magnet. But, I thought I might throw-in my two cents to be buried with another two thousand replies.
Thanks for noticing. ;)
Hey Rosphere,
I have read all two thousand replies and your theory has never been mentioned. Sounds like one that needs to be investigated.
Justalabrat
Quote from: Justalabrat on April 18, 2009, 06:42:23 PM
Hey Rosphere,
I have read all two thousand replies and your theory has never been mentioned. Sounds like one that needs to be investigated.
Justalabrat
What shocks me the most is that someone understood what I wrote without my having to make a series of three dimensional images.
Thank you. :)
TK is one of four people that have taken the time, effort, and money to replicate Mylows claim, and publish his findings. Straight up.
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
...
I generally have no faith in permanent magnet motors. This torque of which I speak is most likely mitigated by the sum total of the approach and departure forces to the stator magnet....
Permanent Magnet Motors always seem to have their sticky spots.
Perhaps the aluminum disc and/or the long, overhead, aluminum-stator-mount-beam Mylow uses 'un-mitigate' the approach and departure 'sticky' forces?
Maybe moving the stator magnet to the OD side, (and twist the plate mag's outward; 180 degrees,) will help reduce sticky spot effects?
Maybe adding additional stators will increase any useful power?
This would be fun to play with, secret I the funds and the time. I would surly appreciate both! ;)
Quote from: X00013 on April 18, 2009, 08:26:58 PM
TK is one of four people that have taken the time, effort, and money to replicate Mylows claim, and publish his findings. Straight up.
What are his findings with Mylow's setup? I can't cut through the smarmy megalomania.
The mind F?CK is to harness linear magnet E, then engineer it rotational E . The event horizon is endless and apparent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDsWQiG_YTg
You (clearly) see 1;44 into video a electric moter turning the wheel. What a waste of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQM8WbCq2Y&feature=channel_page
??? :'(
Quote from: chrisC on April 18, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
Thank you Cat. Apparently TK has confirmed he has replicated myLow's experiment plus a bunch of other improvements according to the replies to the video. I'm excited and hopefully TK can show us what he has done so far.
cheers
chrisC
Hi ChrisC,
Do not be fooled by ANYTHING that TK produces. He is the same one who hoaxed ALL of us with that self running magnet motor, that Omni, Jdo300 and myself spent all of that time and money replicating. I figured out long ago he was TK and wrote him a PM and he confirmed his hoax. Do not trust anything he "replicates" that "works". It is a lie.
PM LONG AGO from TK in response to me saying he was Al and a hoaxer.
"I think you may have mistaken me for someone else. But in case you haven't, I am really sorry that you lost interest, because there still seems to be active research going on and progress being made. It looks to me like people are learning a lot, I know I certainly am.
When you say "no one got anything to work", that's strange, because I think there are some others who get that silly "AGW" whatever it is, all the time, and it seems to reduce friction and lead to longer rundown times. I'm sorry nobody you know seems to have done this. It's not really that hard, I've done it myself once or twice.
I'm sorry I can't give you any tips, except
to have faith in what can be independently proven, and try hard to do the correct control experiments.
(I'm glad you didn't say "wasted time working on...". I don't feel that I am wasting time on Mondrasek's idea, either, even though I know it doesn't stand a chance of working.
But if, in a few days, I am the only one who does get one working, well, that would be truly ironic don't you think? Grin
Cheers all,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 18, 2009, 11:15:34 PM
Hi ChrisC,
Do not be fooled by ANYTHING that TK produces. He is the same one who hoaxed ALL of us with that self running magnet motor, that Omni, Jdo300 and myself spent all of that time and money replicating. I figured out long ago he was TK and wrote him a PM and he confirmed his hoax. Do not trust anything he "replicates" that "works". It is a lie.
Cheers all,
Bruce
Thanks Bruce. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt especially if they have spent countless hours and $ putting together a demo. If it's a hoax then I am sorry to be so excited. Just I don't understand the mindset and mentality of some who would go to such lengths.
Well, let's see if TK will 'confess'!
cheers
chrisC
Hi ChrisC,
Do not be fooled by ANYTHING that TK produces. He is the same one who hoaxed ALL of us with that self running magnet motor, that Omni, Jdo300 and myself spent all of that time and money replicating. I figured out long ago he was TK and wrote him a PM and he confirmed his hoax. Do not trust anything he "replicates" that "works". It is a lie.
PM LONG AGO from TK in response to me saying he was Al and a hoaxer.
"I think you may have mistaken me for someone else. But in case you haven't, I am really sorry that you lost interest, because there still seems to be active research going on and progress being made. It looks to me like people are learning a lot, I know I certainly am.
When you say "no one got anything to work", that's strange, because I think there are some others who get that silly "AGW" whatever it is, all the time, and it seems to reduce friction and lead to longer rundown times. I'm sorry nobody you know seems to have done this. It's not really that hard, I've done it myself once or twice.
I'm sorry I can't give you any tips, except to have faith in what can be independently proven, and try hard to do the correct control experiments.
(I'm glad you didn't say "wasted time working on...". I don't feel that I am wasting time on Mondrasek's idea, either, even though I know it doesn't stand a chance of working. But if, in a few days, I am the only one who does get one working, well, that would be truly ironic don't you think?
Grin"
Cheers all,
Bruce
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Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 18, 2009, 11:15:34 PM
Hi ChrisC,
Do not be fooled by ANYTHING that TK produces. He is the same one who hoaxed ALL of us with that self running magnet motor, that Omni, Jdo300 and myself spent all of that time and money replicating. I figured out long ago he was TK and wrote him a PM and he confirmed his hoax. Do not trust anything he "replicates" that "works". It is a lie.
PM LONG AGO from TK in response to me saying he was Al and a hoaxer.
"I think you may have mistaken me for someone else. But in case you haven't, I am really sorry that you lost interest, because there still seems to be active research going on and progress being made. It looks to me like people are learning a lot, I know I certainly am.
When you say "no one got anything to work", that's strange, because I think there are some others who get that silly "AGW" whatever it is, all the time, and it seems to reduce friction and lead to longer rundown times. I'm sorry nobody you know seems to have done this. It's not really that hard, I've done it myself once or twice.
I'm sorry I can't give you any tips, except to have faith in what can be independently proven, and try hard to do the correct control experiments.
(I'm glad you didn't say "wasted time working on...". I don't feel that I am wasting time on Mondrasek's idea, either, even though I know it doesn't stand a chance of working. But if, in a few days, I am the only one who does get one working, well, that would be truly ironic don't you think?
Grin
Cheers all,
Bruce
I thought I was the only one who realized it was a motor. It's nice that someone annotated exactly where it is on the video. The guy is a complete and utter douchebag.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 18, 2009, 11:23:22 PM
I thought I was the only one who realized it was a motor. It's nice that someone annotated exactly where it is on the video. The guy is a complete and utter douchebag.
I have been questioning Tinselkoala on his YouTube pages about the OCMPMM of which he is clearly the author. He is evidently ashetakolin, but he denies to be the same ''Penguin'' (his trade mark) But it is the same voice and video-set up, lighting and tabletop. So now we are Batman and he is the Penguin? And Mylow makes the bat-sign I guess? Nice game he offers... Warning for all Tinselkoalas: beware of the 'Peter and the Wolf'-effect. One just might discover something for real some day, and then nobody will believe you... I have great respect for Tinsels technical skills and I also have my doubts about Mylow, but we are sure now Tinselkoala can't resist the temptation to mock us indeed with his apparent self-runners that we should not replicate... it is apparently his way of dealing with the anger upon frustration with a failing replcation. He tried, yes, we all fell for the Mylow game. And he is the expert jester. Fine with me. Watch the man behind the curtain..., the electric motor underneath.... Yes, he is making fun. But there is still progress, at least despite of his silence we know it is him now bafflng us with his fine engineering.... and yes, he leads the way in replication, whether he's mocking or not. Warn Sterling....
The ''penguin'' taking about this set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWt9Llklyg&feature=channel_page
In this video he is more clearly the sceptic.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 19, 2009, 06:31:49 AM
The ''penguin'' taking about this set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWt9Llklyg&feature=channel_page
In this video he is more clearly the sceptic.
Agreed, but he is also correct in his 'rundown' testing methods. He mentions his own test results that point out a possible anomaly.
Why did the statorless rundown last so much longer? I can see how it should last longer because with the stator there would be cogging in the last revolution. This cogging would shorten the last turn but would balance out by having backlash rotation.
The difference is too great.
So is this proof magnetic fields are not conservative?
If so then his setup shows the detrimental side of design for these PMMs.
Maybe a design change would bring it to the beneficial side of operation?
I suspect after the latest 'FBI' story, the Mylow saga has ended.
Re: [mylow_magmo] [Fwd: RE: [FE_updates] SOS: Mylow Goes Silent. Threatened again?]
This guy sounds like a complete fraud at this point. I was threatened by MIBs, and no one ever produced any badges. That part is just an outright falsehood. How convienient for him to produce another raid on the eve of the authenticator visit. I think we can chalk this guy as
a glaring phony.
--- On Sat, 4/18/09, Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@...> wrote:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@...>
Subject: [mylow_magmo] [Fwd: RE: [FE_updates] SOS: Mylow Goes Silent. Threatened again?]
To: mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:23 PM
------------ --------- ------- Original Message ------------ --------- -------
Subject: RE: [FE_updates] SOS: Mylow Goes Silent. Threatened again?
From: "Buck, Peter M" <peter.buck@eds. com>
Date: Sat, April 18, 2009 3:10 pm
To: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureener gysystems. com>
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
I just checked 4 or 5 - looks like all Mylow's youtube videos are gone.
"Pulled by author." I hope you have copies and can distribute them too
widely to be stopped. - Peter
____________ _________ _________ __
From: FE_updates@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:FE_updates@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:34 PM
To: mylow_magmo@ yahoogroups. com; mylow-news@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: nec-techrev@ yahoogroups. com; mylow@pureenergysys tems.com;
felix@allmagnetics. com; fe_updates@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [FE_updates] SOS: Mylow Goes Silent. Threatened again?
SOS
Neither PMMTester nor I have been able to get in touch with Mylow since
the last correspondence mentioned below two days ago. This is highly
unusual. He normally has been very responsive, returning calls within
the day. I've left three messages with him periodically today.
From the beginning Mylow has fooled us all with his hoax. From the beginning of his first videos, you can always fast forward his video and start at the beginning again many times and see his wheel speed up and slow down. He always came up with excuses for everything. What really got to me was the visit from the NSA and now the FBI. That was the icing on the cake. Now, his videos are removed for the second time. Outside sources are not what made him remove the video. It was only him that removed the videos because he knew he could not keep on with the lies. I'm sorry for everyone here that wasted their time and money on reproducing his magnet wheel. Now it is time for all of us to move on. Regarding Sterling Allan, he took this a little too far and he should be ashamed of himself. Now it's time for Sterling Allan to move on too.
??? :'(
"TinselKoala: MyLOW is the one who claimed perpetual motion and self running. I am claiming the exact opposite---that MyLOW's wheel was never a self runner, that his MiB and FBI tales are just that: tales, and that Sterling Allen fell heavily and at great cost into a magnetic vortex that he cannot escape.
But just in case, here is shown a quick and dirty way to extract power from a turning wheel without dragging it down too much."
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=hYQM8WbCq2Y&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DhYQM8WbCq2Y
The videos are still there http://www.youtube.com/user/projectmagma
Quote from: nyctuber on April 19, 2009, 08:31:47 AM
I suspect after the latest 'FBI' story, the Mylow saga has ended.
IF:
The MIB story was true, why did no agent confront Sterling : who has published a web page all about this motor promoting all of the videos, and selling replication plans and publishing replication plans and details of motor construction???????????????????
Quote from: ellubpt on April 19, 2009, 10:06:43 AM
IF:
The MIB story was true, why did no agent confront Sterling : who has published a web page all about this motor promoting all of the videos, and selling replication plans and publishing replication plans and details of motor construction???????????????????
Sterling didn't replicate it. It works only for Mylow (assuming that it works).
More of Sterling e-mail:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/521
I think that in such situation people who know Mylow's address could make an unannounced visit.
After this whole roller coaster ride, I think everyone should just forget all the claims and replications and move onto other things.
If the effect is real, let MYLOW and Sterling commercialize and sell it - who cares.
Everyone else, most likely, have far better things to do than spend their time on a wild goose chase.
Just my 2c.
Quote from: dragon on April 19, 2009, 10:10:31 AM
Sterling didn't replicate it. It works only for Mylow (assuming that it works).
More of Sterling e-mail:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/521
In that case "it only works for MYLOW" then why would the MIB,NSA,FBI even be bothered with it?
One thing is for sure:
NONE will EVER visit Mylow EVER. Simply because once you do that everyone will know that it is a hoax.
I offered money for someone to go there and get this thing done. Others in the other forum offered even more but still we have no one seen Mylow's machine.
And now, FBI???? off course, NSA again would be too obvious so lets put some colors and this time say FBI, may be next time will be CIA. :)
As I said before, there is only one way with this stuff, show it to many as possible and allow enough evidence to eliminate reasonable doubt otherwise it is just smoke.
I think by now it is very obvious this is a machine based only on faith. Even if I want to believe on this guy and his machine will never pass that, just belief, religion.
And before anyone flame me: I am still offering to help in paying for someone go to Mylow's house and get the motor pictured and on camera.
Fausto.
* No one should take the below comments personally they are not aimed at anyone specific here. *
On the question of "Fraud":
Howard Johnson's motors really did exist... As much as that fact has been suppressed for the last 30 years. Patents really were awarded. A SMOT gate linear device really does "work". A person really can make a simple magnet rotor and get it spinning with the old "hand-waving" trick (moving the stator mag in and out over the "sticky spot").
These things all point to the existence of magnet motors and free energy device based on them (be they "all-magnet" or "pulsed"); And that in turn points to a coordinated and well-funded campaign by the status quo to suppress them; using different means over many years. So let's all keep that in perspective; whatever dis-info shill mind-games go on here ;)
The idea here may be to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", and "poison the well" to boot... Which would be the only way to defeat the Open Source model; by convincing us to defeat ourselves. But that trick, the REAL "fraud" going on here, will only work if we allow it to.
I get a laugh out of the old story that magnet motors would "destroy the economy". WHOSE economy?? We have no say in the economy any more... It is ALL controlled by Wall St. and the international banks. What they DON'T want, is to have Main St. and the manufacturing sector have any say in it whatsoever... And that is what safe and cheap free energy devices would allow... The control of our own destinies via small business and the new entrepreneurs who can finally compete with the big corporations on a level playing field with vastly renewed domestic industry, and good paying jobs for the non-college educated. Oil and coal companies would still have one third of their business (and that only after many years of change). People would still have their jobs; but many more of us in the Middle Class would be profitably employed building and supporting these devices... And it will take 20 years or more to explore all the thousands of parallel applications/markets alone.
To accept the theory that magnet motors would "destroy the economy", is to accept that those in power are using a THREAT of deliberately destroying the economy if we should push for this. And that is so wrong that it borders on absurd... And accepting it without question frankly smells of cowardice, and/or of giving those who are timid an easy way out to do nothing. The only thing keeping these people in power is the control of the economy. Those who hold utter power over it will not allow it to be destroyed when faced with inevitable change (and thus destroying themselves), and so when they are finally forced to accept the release of free energy technologies they will adapt... They won't like the setbacks and the loss of easy profits, but "tough stuff"... And it will be better than being hanged by piano wire in the piazza by angry mobs (which, if History is any indicator, will inevitably come if something isn't done to stop the trends).
We will not be cowed into being quiet, we will not worry about our "reputations" being besmirched by shills, liars, and fools... For standing strong for what we know must come. We will not stop researching and opening these doors. And we WILL succeed, sooner or later.
And then we will finally be freed from the secret energy tax... That is larger and more regressive than any tax ever complained about by politicians... And leveed not by governments but by un-elected corporate interests hiding behind a curtain, who control our entire economy and society by controlling the flow and cost of energy. These people have had their day (for the last 100 years): And they have used their opportunities by endangering us all to an unbelievable degree; threatening our entire planet, ruining our economies with gambling schemes, killing innocents with their never-ending wars, keeping us at a primitive level of energy technology when that suppressed knowledge is the answer to many of our problems... The same problems that they "coincidentally" profit greatly from.
Lol they claim they are "saving us from ourselves"... What a crock: A magnet device is no danger except to those who should already be in prison for breaking Anti-Trust and stock manipulation laws (such as last years' criminal rise in gasoline and Diesel prices that caused hardship to hundreds of millions), and for defrauding us all for so many years.
It's time for them to GO. And it's time for us to remember what the real "Fraud" here is about.
Quote from: amigo on April 19, 2009, 11:01:15 AM
After this whole roller coaster ride, I think everyone should just forget all the claims and replications and move onto other things.
If the effect is real, let MYLOW and Sterling commercialize and sell it - who cares.
Everyone else, most likely, have far better things to do than spend their time on a wild goose chase.
Just my 2c.
Your advice is worth far more than 2c! :)
@All
Think and say what you wish. This is what it is all about isn't it?
Provided there is any truth to the Mylow saga these facts remain:
1. NSA collects and disseminates information. If action is required they almost never act themselves. Why? Because they prefer to remain behind the curtain and must do so.
2. If action is needed some other authority is triggered. Whether this is an industry leader or another government body depends on the need for action and the need to know.
3. The only time the FBI is put in play is to execute the force of law.
IF the FBI was the last visitor, they will be the last visitor.
If you don't have a replication running from what was supplied you will never have one. So now I will add my vote to close this thread.
I think when we notice all copies of those videos disappear from the net we will think twice. Do not think it can't happen.
Melodrama? Sure. Such is life.
Hi Guys,
OT....
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So, he/they(?) will be able to find a lot of others user names to cheat people. ;D
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Lol yeah it's an anagram for Tesla. Bogadeuch is an anagram for his personality.
I don't know why you guys think Alsetalokin and Tinselkoala are the same guy! ??? All the evidence you have is that Tinselkoala hinted that he might be Al. What do you expect from this guy? But you have never heard Alsetalokin say that he was Tinselkoala! Just because their screen names are based on Nikola Tesla means nothing!
I have compared their voices on two of their videos and they are not the same. Al's is kind of deep and Tin's is higher.
Justalabrat
@Tinselkoala nice try on the Mylow motor :). To bad it didn't work for you.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 19, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
* No one should take the below comments personally they are not aimed at anyone specific here. *
On the question of "Fraud":
Howard Johnson's motors really did exist... As much as that fact has been suppressed for the last 30 years. Patents really were awarded. A SMOT gate linear device really does "work". A person really can make a simple magnet rotor and get it spinning with the old "hand-waving" trick (moving the stator mag in and out over the "sticky spot").
These things all point to the existence of magnet motors and free energy device based on them (be they "all-magnet" or "pulsed"); And that in turn points to a coordinated and well-funded campaign by the status quo to suppress them; using different means over many years. So let's all keep that in perspective; whatever dis-info shill mind-games go on here ;)
The idea here may be to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", and "poison the well" to boot... Which would be the only way to defeat the Open Source model; by convincing us to defeat ourselves. But that trick, the REAL "fraud" going on here, will only work if we allow it to.
I get a laugh out of the old story that magnet motors would "destroy the economy". WHOSE economy?? We have no say in the economy any more... It is ALL controlled by Wall St. and the international banks. What they DON'T want, is to have Main St. and the manufacturing sector have any say in it whatsoever... And that is what safe and cheap free energy devices would allow... The control of our own destinies via small business and the new entrepreneurs who can finally compete with the big corporations on a level playing field with vastly renewed domestic industry, and good paying jobs for the non-college educated. Oil and coal companies would still have one third of their business (and that only after many years of change). People would still have their jobs; but many more of us in the Middle Class would be profitably employed building and supporting these devices... And it will take 20 years or more to explore all the thousands of parallel applications/markets alone.
To accept the theory that magnet motors would "destroy the economy", is to accept that those in power are using a THREAT of deliberately destroying the economy if we should push for this. And that is so wrong that it borders on absurd... And accepting it without question frankly smells of cowardice, and/or of giving those who are timid an easy way out to do nothing. The only thing keeping these people in power is the control of the economy. Those who hold utter power over it will not allow it to be destroyed when faced with inevitable change (and thus destroying themselves), and so when they are finally forced to accept the release of free energy technologies they will adapt... They won't like the setbacks and the loss of easy profits, but "tough stuff"... And it will be better than being hanged by piano wire in the piazza by angry mobs (which, if History is any indicator, will inevitably come if something isn't done to stop the trends).
We will not be cowed into being quiet, we will not worry about our "reputations" being besmirched by shills, liars, and fools... For standing strong for what we know must come. We will not stop researching and opening these doors. And we WILL succeed, sooner or later.
And then we will finally be freed from the secret energy tax... That is larger and more regressive than any tax ever complained about by politicians... And leveed not by governments but by un-elected corporate interests hiding behind a curtain, who control our entire economy and society by controlling the flow and cost of energy. These people have had their day (for the last 100 years): And they have used their opportunities by endangering us all to an unbelievable degree; threatening our entire planet, ruining our economies with gambling schemes, killing innocents with their never-ending wars, keeping us at a primitive level of energy technology when that suppressed knowledge is the answer to many of our problems... The same problems that they "coincidentally" profit greatly from.
Lol they claim they are "saving us from ourselves"... What a crock: A magnet device is no danger except to those who should already be in prison for breaking Anti-Trust and stock manipulation laws (such as last years' criminal rise in gasoline and Diesel prices that caused hardship to hundreds of millions), and for defrauding us all for so many years.
It's time for them to GO. And it's time for us to remember what the real "Fraud" here is about.
What do you think would happen if we really discovered an "ALL PERMINATE MAGNETIC MOTOR" solution to the energy crisis of Oil and Carbon fuels? Imagine all at once there was a break-through discovery and we scale everthing up to larger and larger of these new motors to generate power....
ah but the price of magnets would all of sudden sky rocket... and who produces these .??? Where are all the metals that produce these Neo magnetics found? What is the supply? Is it endless? Is it free? Who would benefit? Who would suffer? Is it in our National Interest? I wonder how this would play out? Just some thought questions..
Bill
One of the reasons I am so strong against this whole story is not that I dont believe there is such a thing as Free Energy or that someone like Mylow could indeed come up with such a machine that really works, but, is the fact that too much marketing and little real evidence is in itself a deterrent to our movement.
Let's pretend Mylow and his machine is for real: Would not be better that there was no interview and no 30 videos showing small parts and all that but one good video and a quick visit from one of our guys here from the forum?
Would not that be better? because if that was the case it would be everywhere already and we would already have replicators. This thing about making such a fuzz about Mylow without enough evidence that eliminate doubts is simply detracting. It allows time for the "controllers" to do what they do best and WE just stay here speculating about if this was real or not.
So, when I see this "pattern" from our community I am very, very strong against and no apologies for it.
Real community builds on technologies without making any fuzz or any publicity. It would be in the hands of the builders the final "fact" that it is indeed free energy. Than after we all get it, and only than, we should make it to the big news like with Sterling and the like.
Sterling's radio interview and news did not help at all (no disrespect to Sterling's work in no way) it only caught attention WITHOUT enough evidence being provided, evidence such that IS EXTREMELY important to real builders.
Fausto.
ok
An Apt tune methinks.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrhyoU9xFo&f (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrhyoU9xFo&f)
@Maw2432, i pretty much know what will happen in that case you point out.
The use of neo's and cobalts would suddenly go through the roof. They have already been growing steadily for years, but it would go insane overnight ;)
The market for these Rare Earths appear to already be "cornered" and not a part of the usual Commodities Exchange. It appears to have been mostly bought-up years ago. China appears to have the largest supply of the raw materials followed by Africa. But.... The important thing is that it is also not too hard to make ceramic magnets, with the raw materials for them being more easily available. This can be done, and start-ups will do so; all over the world... Lol the technology to make them is decades old, no one will be able to claim Patent rights, and it is not something they can stop. Once the ceramics are out there, there is no reason to hoard the neo's and cobalt' and lose-out on the profits, so they will be sold too (at high prices, certainly).
The idea that it is not in our "national security" is just wrong. There are technologies out there that could be spun as "dangerous".. But magnets?... Sorry, but that's just absurd. The MRI at your local hospital is more dangerous ;).
And the economic "danger" is all fear-mongering talk as well... With NOTHING AT ALL to back it: In History, whenever there have been great advancements like this, it has caused greater prosperity, not disaster (...lol "disaster" only for those who had monopolies on the OLD technology that was replaced). In the 1900's and 1910's, many businessmen who had horse stables and carriage facilities changed over to selling cars, and became millionaires doing it... Becoming much more successful they ever could in the old business.
There are plenty of reasons why those making the billions now don't want to see it happen, that's for sure ;) But the reasons i gave for the good it will do for the economy greatly outweigh what losses there will be. They keep barraging us with economic disasters anyway... Not a damn thing we can do about it... Except just watch as our jobs and pensions and 401k's are utterly destroyed. At least once our manufacturing base is built-up again, we will have a chance to ignore what ever Wall St. and the international bankers do; and build a new, much stronger economy based on our own efforts, with the new energy devices being the key to get it all rolling at top production.. Like WW II, when unemployment was minuscule and every factory was going full bore. This brings in huge tax revenues, ending the deficits and creating REAL economic stability, not that of those bastards holding the fear of Great Depressions over our heads as a blatant extortion threat unless we pay them off with Trillions to make up for all the money they stole and gambled away already!! (lol do i sound bitter? ;) )
Where do you think all those Patents that were "Shelved" went...? They are sitting around waiting for "The Day". Once these things become common knowledge then they will "miraculously" come out... Just like in the U.S. with L.E.N.R. last month: Other country's efforts and breakthroughs forced them to come clean about it, or look like either morons or lying suppressors if they didn't do something fast. This will be the model for magnet-powered and other free energy devices too: All of a sudden we will see universities and other labs announcing their "new findings" and soon after corporations marketing them... Lol just like they were brand-new amazing discoveries ;)
That's OK with me: Once it's out of bag it can't be put back in; and it will be preferable to being a slave to oil and coal for the rest of our lives, watching our futures and planet slide away into constant disaster. Because these new energy technologies are too hard to hold tightly, too easy to get around any attempts at turning them into monopolies.... They will slip away from them; and so will the power they now hold over us all.. They know all this too.. And this is why our road will be long and difficult yet.
But these suppressions cannot survive the light of day. Every new person who learns of these technologies is another nail in big oil's coffin. And we WILL be victorious. History is on our side, and it's rooting for us ;)
Somewhat OT, but very very interesting - proof of magnetic spin having power storage possibilities:
http://www6.miami.edu/UMH/CDA/UMH_Main/1,1770,65985-1;66008-3,00.html
QuoteHis discovery is a "proof of principle" of the existence of a "spin battery"
Andrew
Quote from: Lakes on April 19, 2009, 07:29:09 PM
An Apt tune methinks.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrhyoU9xFo&f (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrhyoU9xFo&f)
Lesson from Mylow:
Either way, if the Mylow motor is real or fake, I think there are things
we can learn from this whole saga:
1. Upload convincing enough videos on youtube, and odds are you will
not need any running replications for some people to believe you have a
real functioning device. This is probably not a good thing for the
future of the "Free-Energy" field... Then the snowball effect takes place :)
2. There is a VERY good chance that if the truth is never discovered
about your device being real or not (never verified by anyone), your
device will still stay on free energy sites as being real, forever.
Joe
Mylow refered to on this page:
http://magneticpowerinc.com/perpetual.html
/Tommy
No news of Mylow.... but he is in the News ;) > The saga of Mylow and Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/saga-mylow-and-howard-johnsons-magnetic-motor
A Junior Member post this at MYTHBUSTERS (and it was not me) ;D :
A youtuber named "Mylow" tracked his progress with the recreation of the Howard Johnson magnetic motor. He details his entire process and makes a strong case for how this should work. Can you take a look and possibly recreate this myth and bust it or not?
LightRider
Quote from: LightRider on April 20, 2009, 07:53:56 PM
No news of Mylow.... but he is in the News ;) > The saga of Mylow and Howard Johnson's Magnetic Motor
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/saga-mylow-and-howard-johnsons-magnetic-motor
A Junior Member post this at MYTHBUSTERS (and it was not me) ;D :
A youtuber named "Mylow" tracked his progress with the recreation of the Howard Johnson magnetic motor. He details his entire process and makes a strong case for how this should work. Can you take a look and possibly recreate this myth and bust it or not?
LightRider
Here is problems. Articles says:
"Since US patents are only awarded for working devices, it is a mystery as to why HJ was never able to market it or show it in operation."
My crazy uncles got a patent on some kind of weather machine. Didnt work for shit.
Quote from: forsalebabyshoesneverworn on April 20, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
Here is problems. Articles says:
"Since US patents are only awarded for working devices, it is a mystery as to why HJ was never able to market it or show it in operation."
My crazy uncles got a patent on some kind of weather machine. Didnt work for shit.
That is NOT true. The USPTO will award a patent if there was no prior art that directly interferes with your claims and you meet the requirements of novelty, un-obviousness and usefulness. You will also need to describe the 'best mode' for the invention.
No working model is required as long as a person having ordinary skill in the art is able to recreate your invention.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 20, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
That is NOT true. The USPTO will award a patent if there was no prior art that directly interferes with your claims and you meet the requirements of novelty, un-obviousness and usefulness. You will also need to describe the 'best mode' for the invention.
No working model is required as long as a person having ordinary skill in the art is able to recreate your invention.
cheers
chrisC
That is what I meant...... I think. After my uncles got a patent for the stupid weather machine and never gotit working at all, well, that was the end of that. He spent like 10 thusand for lawyer. Lawyer tried to talk him out of doing it even (so my uncle said).... didnt believe him. It rained once after he turned it on but I think it was coicidance. He was so proud of that one time, but he gave up in the end.
Anyone else notice the pattern that everytime talks begin
about someone visiting to view mylow's machine, that the magnets die,
MIB show up, or some other reason to prevent it?
Seems to me that Mylow conclusively proved the existence of Perpetual Cynicism. Can you honestly say, watching his last video explaining the combinations of magnets that worked for him, that he's lying? Is a person's demeanor irrelevant? You know that's a big reason why people tried to replicate it, you can tell the guy isn't a liar. IMHO.
Quote from: Digjam on April 20, 2009, 11:33:22 PM
Anyone else notice the pattern that everytime talks begin
about someone visiting to view mylow's machine, that the magnets die,
MIB show up, or some other reason to prevent it?
He shows the dead magnets in his video. Do you think he purposely degaussed them? Give me a break.
I just think it's awful convenient that these things happen
as soon as someone makes arrangements to come witness
a running machine. And I don't believe the MIB story for a minute.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 20, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
Seems to me that Mylow conclusively proved the existence of Perpetual Cynicism. Can you honestly say, watching his last video explaining the combinations of magnets that worked for him, that he's lying? Is a person's demeanor irrelevant? You know that's a big reason why people tried to replicate it, you can tell the guy isn't a liar. IMHO.
Combinations of magnets that He says worked for him.
There's still no proof .
Quote from: Digjam on April 20, 2009, 11:44:02 PM
Combinations of magnets that He says worked for him.
There's still no proof .
An absence of proof does not equate to a lie.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 20, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
An absence of proof does not equate to a lie.
Yes, but we are talking about science. No one is being tried for perjury. Let's stick to scientific principles and not descend into junk science.
MyLow makes the revolutionary claim that his device violates the principle of magnetism being a conservative force, for which there is at least a metric crapton (cubic meter, I think) of scientific empirical evidence. His device has not been subjected to any type of scrutiny. Until it is, and it passes, it shall remain an unproven claim. So that's all we have right now.
Quote from: forsalebabyshoesneverworn on April 21, 2009, 12:04:35 AM
Yes, but we are talking about science. No one is being tried for perjury. Let's stick to scientific principles and not descend into junk science.
MyLow makes the revolutionary claim that his device violates the principle of magnetism being a conservative force, for which there is at least a metric crapton (cubic meter, I think) of scientific empirical evidence. His device has not been subjected to any type of scrutiny. Until it is, and it passes, it shall remain an unproven claim. So that's all we have right now.
This is true. All I'm saying is it's clear to me from his demeanor that he isn't a liar. Perhaps observation of demeanor isn't 'scientific' but it's valid nonetheless. I highly doubt if Mylow was a smarmy arrogant jerk like TinselKoala or others, that anyone would have made the effort to try to replicate it.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 20, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
An absence of proof does not equate to a lie.
Nor does it equate the truth.
Fact:
No body has been able to replicate
Fact:
MYLOW never allowed a third party witness.
Talk is cheap, can you walk the walk? Can MYLOW??
When push came to shove , there was an (a. working example?) (b.verifiable replication?) (c.excuse?)
The answer is c.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 21, 2009, 12:25:59 AM
Nor does it equate the truth.
Fact:
No body has been able to relicate
Fact:
MYLOW never allowed a third party witness.
Talk is cheap, can you walk the walk? Can MYLOW??
When push came to shove , there was an (a. working example?) (b.verifiable relication?) (c.excuse?)
The answer is c.
Actually 'c' is your perception, not a fact. Mylow doesn't have to allow anything, nor did he have to make 50 videos, or any videos. You're missing my point that his demeanor is not that of an intentional liar. Watch the documentary Energy From The Vacuum. Unless it's all lies, history is littered with suppression of overunity technology.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 21, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
Actually 'c' is your perception, not a fact. Mylow doesn't have to allow anything, nor did he have to make 50 videos, or any videos. You're missing my point that his demeanor is not that of an intentional liar. Watch the documentary Energy From The Vacuum. Unless it's all lies, history is littered with suppression of overunity technology.
I hope you aren't basing your assumptions on Tom Beardon.
But that's a topic for another thread.
But I'll ask this simple question.
What possible reason would the NSA or FBI have for visiting Mylow?
Quote from: Digjam on April 21, 2009, 01:02:39 AM
I hope you aren't basing your assumptions on Tom Beardon.
But that's a topic for another thread.
But I'll ask this simple question.
What possible reason would the NSA or FBI have for visiting Mylow?
Bedini as well. You know the answer to the 2nd question.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 21, 2009, 01:29:31 AM
Bedini as well. You know the answer to the 2nd question.
I can't think of any reason they would visit him
@All,
Wasn't there someone sending letters to various representatives, asking them whether or not the high visit by MiB's with MYLOW really happened? Did anyone answer yet?
Quote from: Omnibus on April 21, 2009, 07:41:43 AM
@All,
Wasn't there someone sending letters to various representatives, asking them whether or not the high visit by MiB's with MYLOW really happened? Did anyone answer yet?
The moment after hearing about the NSA incident I sent out various emails to various government officials to find the truth, and never received a reply.
Sterling keeps asking why mylow would want to fake all of this when mylow has never shown signs of wanting money. Hmm, is this the same sterling, or is he just playing dumb because a few years ago sterling sent me an email saying to just ignore the threats, that there are people who use scare tactics to suppress free energy. A 7 year old could see the obvious --> If people are using scare tactics, then why wouldn't they build fakes to frack up the free energy movement.
PL
BTW, it appears nothing happened to mylow. Over the past several days, since some people think he might have disappeared because of the FBI, I've been tracking mylow's youtube logins. He has periodically logged into youtube. In fact, he logged in 2 hours ago. He's still around.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 21, 2009, 10:32:58 AM
BTW, it appears nothing happened to mylow. Over the past several days, since some people think he might have disappeared because of the FBI, I've been tracking mylow's youtube logins. He has periodically logged into youtube. In fact, he logged in 2 hours ago. He's still around.
PL
Why would logging in to youtube (probably to check his messages) but not posting anything be at all relevant.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 21, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
Actually 'c' is your perception, not a fact. Mylow doesn't have to allow anything, nor did he have to make 50 videos, or any videos. You're missing my point that his demeanor is not that of an intentional liar. Watch the documentary Energy From The Vacuum. Unless it's all lies, history is littered with suppression of overunity technology.
C is my perception?
So, A. = Somebody, other than MYLOW, saw the motor running in person?
B. Anybody, other than MYLOW, has been able to replicate?
C. Excuses? Hmmm.
He took all videos down because he received "death threats", remember that one?
Then, the stator degaussed.
Then , he passed on the chance to go with Sterling to the energy conference because? He was timid?
Then, the Lawyer brought a NSA guy to his house and took his motor away.
Then, he closed down the YouTube MYLOW account.
Then he started posting vids under a new name.
Meanwhile, Sterling is selling plans to replicate the original design.
Sterling flies to Estonia, presumably passing Chicago by an altitude of 10,000ft min.
(why did Sterling never visit MYLOW, "His good friend?")
Then Stirling says MYLOW got the motor running with new magnets and 2 people are going to MYLOWS to see it in person.
Then , the two people gets reduced to one person.
Then the FBI comes , new agency this time, to MYLOWS job !
In person visit canceled, no news, no videos.
Always , something prevents the running motor from being witnessed by a third party.
Add: Nobody has been able to construct a successful replication.
Can't wait to read what Sterling has to say when he returns from Estonia.
OK
Quote from: ellubpt on April 21, 2009, 11:13:43 AM
C is my perception?
So, A. = Somebody, other than MYLOW, saw the motor running in person?
B. Anybody, other than MYLOW, has been able to replicate?
C. Excuses? Hmmm.
He took all videos down because he received "death threats", remember that one?
Then, the stator degaussed.
Then , he passed on the chance to go with Sterling to the energy conference because? He was timid?
Then, the Lawyer brought a NSA guy to his house and took his motor away.
Then, he closed down the YouTube MYLOW account.
Then he started posting vids under a new name.
Meanwhile, Sterling is selling plans to replicate the original design.
Sterling flies to Estonia, presumably passing Chicago by an altitude of 10,000ft min.
(why did Sterling never visit MYLOW, "His good friend?")
Then Stirling says MYLOW got the motor running with new magnets and 2 people are going to MYLOWS to see it in person.
Then , the two people gets reduced to one person.
Then the FBI comes , new agency this time, to MYLOWS job !
In person visit canceled, no news, no videos.
Always , something prevents the running motor from being witnessed by a third party.
Add: Nobody has been able to construct a successful replication.
Can't wait to read what Sterling has to say when he returns from Estonia.
Good time line but, I believe you left out the part where Mylow's wife destroyed the original motor with a broom right after Sterling suggested sending someone out to verify it the first time. I believe this is correct and I can go back and check if we need to.
Bill
@joe_1001101
Nice post but I can assure you there is way more then that you can learn from the Mylow wheel. If you know how to look.
I don't buy all this fackery business. Mylow just can't take the peer pressure. I saw his last videos but I did not visit his youtubes very recently but I can only imagine all the comments that must have been made and like anyone anywhere anytime this happens, we get pissed off and many will simply pull the plug. Why not, who needs all that headache when all you are trying to do is show something new.
So OK Mylow, it does not matter if you come back or not. The seed is planted and I myself have learned more with this then without, so thanks a heep. This has actually given me two great ideas for new devices. lol
So there is something else that we can learn from this and that is, if you do not have thick enough skin to take the punches, find someone that can and let them handle it and keep yourself totally out it. Not even a hello, it's a nice day video. Let the other guy do it. I'd call it the "Rhino Disclosure Prerequisite". Have thick skin, will disclose. Feeling confined, attack. Feeling good, have a nice mud bath. Well maybe not that last one. lol
Another thing to learn from this. If you do a youtube disclosure, turn off the comments feature. lol
B.Lane
Sorry but putting up other peoples posts saying this or that guys is a (*((*&(*& is not any more acceptable then doing it yourself.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 21, 2009, 11:13:43 AM
C is my perception?
So, A. = Somebody, other than MYLOW, saw the motor running in person?
B. Anybody, other than MYLOW, has been able to replicate?
C. Excuses? Hmmm.
He took all videos down because he received "death threats", remember that one?
Then, the stator degaussed.
Then , he passed on the chance to go with Sterling to the energy conference because? He was timid?
Then, the Lawyer brought a NSA guy to his house and took his motor away.
Then, he closed down the YouTube MYLOW account.
Then he started posting vids under a new name.
Meanwhile, Sterling is selling plans to replicate the original design.
Sterling flies to Estonia, presumably passing Chicago by an altitude of 10,000ft min.
(why did Sterling never visit MYLOW, "His good friend?")
Then Stirling says MYLOW got the motor running with new magnets and 2 people are going to MYLOWS to see it in person.
Then , the two people gets reduced to one person.
Then the FBI comes , new agency this time, to MYLOWS job !
In person visit canceled, no news, no videos.
Always , something prevents the running motor from being witnessed by a third party.
Add: Nobody has been able to construct a successful replication.
Can't wait to read what Sterling has to say when he returns from Estonia.
Yes, C is your perception. Look at what you said, Mylow opened another account and KEPT POSTING. Would a scammer do that? He knows the other videos are all backed up. Think about it.
I love this saga.
Dont worry guys, he'll be back. They always are back. They can not resist the temptation of having the whole world adoring them.
It is indeed a kind of sickness that makes them show their stuff and show it with lots of space for faith, doubt and fantastic stories.
Fausto.
VERY cool read, B Lane. Can't claim to understand all of it but wow. Thanks.
This thread = Epic Fail
/thread
Quote from: bhaas on April 21, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
This thread = Epic Fail
/thread
How original. You forgot to say 'n00bs' and 'ROTFLMAO.'
Quote from: wattsup on April 21, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
@joe_1001101
Nice post
--------
[My post: Lesson from Mylow: { I inserted this post on 4/21 , my post was not part of wattsup's original post to me, for the record, if anyone cares}
Either way, if the Mylow motor is real or fake, I think there are things
we can learn from this whole saga:
1. Upload convincing enough videos on youtube, and odds are you will
not need any running replications for some people to believe you have a
real functioning device. This is probably not a good thing for the
future of the "Free-Energy" field... Then the snowball effect takes place :)
2. There is a VERY good chance that if the truth is never discovered
about your device being real or not (never verified by anyone), your
device will still stay on free energy sites as being real, forever.
Joe]
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but I can assure you there is way more then that you can learn from the Mylow wheel. If you know how to look.
I don't buy all this fackery business. Mylow just can't take the peer pressure. I saw his last videos but I did not visit his youtubes very recently but I can only imagine all the comments that must have been made and like anyone anywhere anytime this happens, we get pissed off and many will simply pull the plug. Why not, who needs all that headache when all you are trying to do is show something new.
So OK Mylow, it does not matter if you come back or not. The seed is planted and I myself have learned more with this then without, so thanks a heep. This has actually given me two great ideas for new devices. lol
So there is something else that we can learn from this and that is, if you do not have thick enough skin to take the punches, find someone that can and let them handle it and keep yourself totally out it. Not even a hello, it's a nice day video. Let the other guy do it. I'd call it the "Rhino Disclosure Prerequisite". Have thick skin, will disclose. Feeling confined, attack. Feeling good, have a nice mud bath. Well maybe not that last one. lol
Another thing to learn from this. If you do a youtube disclosure, turn off the comments feature. lol
B.Lane
Sorry but putting up other peoples posts saying this or that guys is a (*((*&(*& is not any more acceptable then doing it yourself.
Hey Wattsup
I guess I was focusing more on the damage that ANY scam does to the FE field. And I was thinking of how we can start to filter out potential future scams, more efficiently. There will be future scams!
So again, at the present time with the "rules" as they seem to be, someone can show us videos of a "running device" and it does not need to be verified by any third party person to say that it is now real in the FE community.
Is this correct? I think that we need to change something here if so...
Thanks,
Joe
Ok. Here are some more videos continuing my testing:
11 - Johnson / Mylow research (New Stator Assembly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsRjS1L0aqA
12 - Johnson / Mylow research (Testing Magnet Layout 4-3-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCyx6CeXWL4
Quote from: chrisC on April 20, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
That is NOT true. The USPTO will award a patent if there was no prior art that directly interferes with your claims and you meet the requirements of novelty, un-obviousness and usefulness. You will also need to describe the 'best mode' for the invention.
No working model is required as long as a person having ordinary skill in the art is able to recreate your invention.
cheers
chrisC
All true in theory. But the USPTO is corrupted by high level incompetency and government intervention. The flux capacitor will be granted a patent any day now.
Hi Craig,
I'm working on an annotation of Mylow's April 15 video. There's a lot of good stuff there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-U96w5Yu-I
On Sunday, Mylow shut off his cell phone service.
I did get an email from him Sunday morning (his Sat. night) before I left Estonia, basically confirming (not directly) the sentiment that I had conveyed in my "SOS" email. He is pulling away from all outside communications, including with me and PMMTester. I hope he'll still peep once in a while.
His primary reason for writing was to tell me NOT to stop by Chicago on my way back through.
He is clearly very rattled by recent MIB events, and mentioned pressured from his family.
I've forwarded his email to a handful of people, but deemed it best to not forward it to any public lists, as it could jeopardize him.
Meanwhile I've been plowing full bore ahead in facilitating replications, making a short trip today to pick up the unit I was working on previously, and to give some input to Doug Furr who is replicating the design as well.
We have a number of different magnet combinations being tried.
Andy Graham will be receiving the remaining 46 magnets from the set that Mylow said he was going to try next (M-646), in his April 15 video. They are about 1/4 larger than the ones he originally used. Queue also has a full set of these magnets. But since Mylow won't be giving us input as to their proper arrangement, it will be up to Andy and Queue to figure this out by trail and error.
Someone else is going to try cutting a long channel magnet into smaller magnets close to the size of Mylow's original rotor magnets.
Others are trying the E801's from Eclipse.
I'm going to try the much smaller magnets that Mylow said would probably be too small. "Bob" from UT County said he tried all kinds of combinations of the E801 magnets, but couldn't get any of them to work. He probably has put in at least (guessing) 24 hours trying.
I remain optimistic that one of us will see a replication come soon.
Sterling
@ Sterling:
Come on, you don't really believe this do you? Use a little logic here. As I have said many times, I respect what you do and have done for the energy community but really, hasn't this gone far enough for basic logic to kick in? This is beyond nuts in my humble opinion. Any time someone "might" stop in, something happens. Now his cell phone was cut off. This is not the MIB cutting it off it was Mylow. I am a licensed PI and I can most likely get his NEW cell number if I wanted/needed to. I bet he has a NEW number. This can be researched but I don't think it is needed at this point. IF you did stop by I would bet he would tell you his wife is sick and he can't receive visitors at this time. Look at the big picture here. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is a duck. I know you by reputation only but, as I said before, I think you are better than this.
Bill
Measurements by PMMTester of Mylow's stator and rotor magnets that Mylow mailed to PMMTester around April 6, 2009.
I've added these to http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Magnets_.28Overview.29
Note, the ACH79's from AllMagnetics.com have not been in stock, but they might bring them back on line due to the interest that has been shown.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 22, 2009, 01:03:28 AM
@ Sterling:
Come on, you don't really believe this do you? Use a little logic here. As I have said many times, I respect what you do and have done for the energy community but really, hasn't this gone far enough for basic logic to kick in? This is beyond nuts in my humble opinion. Any time someone "might" stop in, something happens. Now his cell phone was cut off. This is not the MIB cutting it off it was Mylow. I am a licensed PI and I can most likely get his NEW cell number if I wanted/needed to. I bet he has a NEW number. This can be researched but I don't think it is needed at this point. IF you did stop by I would bet he would tell you his wife is sick and he can't receive visitors at this time. Look at the big picture here. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is a duck. I know you by reputation only but, as I said before, I think you are better than this.
Bill
I didn't say the MIB unplugged his phone, I just said it is no longer in service.
Mylow tends to run in paranoid mode, something he has admitted to, and he is doing that right now, though he appears to have had at least a couple of incidents to give him reason to be afraid. I urge him to not go into fear -- that the bully has no power without fear.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 22, 2009, 01:09:48 AM
Mylow tends to run in paranoid mode, something he has admitted to, and he is doing that right now, though he appears to have had at least a couple of incidents to give him reason to be afraid. I urge him to not go into fear -- that the bully has no power without fear.
I think the ONLY thing Mylow is paranoid about is someone coming to see that he NEVER
had a working device.
Seems awful convenient there's no MIB until you are about to witness his device.
IMHO
@ Sterling:
Thank you for replying to my post. I respectfully disagree but I do appreciate your reply and you, obviously, are entitled to your own assessment of this situation. I guess we will see what happens.
Bill
The ACH79 rotor has 1 lb. pull. If the stator covers 2.5 rotors, for me the realistic stator choice would be the 3 Lbs Pull of the HS170 from Allmagnetics or an equivalent. The A dimension is slightly short but I think it will have a better chance then going with their standard other stators with a better A dimension but much higher pulls. Too high. If the magnets are to negotiate any passage, I think it is best they have the same or closest to same strengths.
HS170 Stator Horseshoe Magnet
Wgt. Lbs. 0.063
Lbs. Pull 3
A - 0.750
B - 1.125
C - 0.250
D - 0.312
E - 0.219
F - 1.125
The following message arrived earlier this evening in my inbox.
I've taken the liberty of modifying it a little, for clarity's sake, while keeping the original wording largely in tact.
----- Original Message -----
From: [anon]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Radio Shack magnets?
Dear good friend.
The cake is great. All the ingredients are perfect. 'Can't stop eating.
I feel good, and soon the world will know that magnetic force energy is real.
No demagnetization of the stator.
The cake keeps turning.
They left me alone. 'Did talk to me. No threat at this time.
I have seen my device evolve in secret.
The time will come soon. Say hi to *** for me. I didn't forget you guys.
Stator still gets cold very cold.
Government knows all, and they have this technology.
I have seen the light. 'Can't talk about it, but they are letting me build my cake. It's wonderful. I will send you a picture of my nice cake soon.
I have been reading a lot about magnetic formulas and magnetic moments in ferrel magnetism and spintronics. They are not so bad after all.
I will be setting up a lab soon with all the tools I need to make a better cake for the world.
Thanks for believing in me. I will never forget Howard and what he has done.
Again they want to know how I make such a good cake. And I have to comply.
I have learned a lot and am very fortunate to have a loving family and good friends like you and ***.
All my calls where monitored and my computer as well. They have Howards and my technology. Suppression is very real. They control what is let out to the world. I know; I've seen it. 'Can't talk about it.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 22, 2009, 01:03:28 AM
@ Sterling:
Come on, you don't really believe this do you? Use a little logic here. As I have said many times, I respect what you do and have done for the energy community but really, hasn't this gone far enough for basic logic to kick in? This is beyond nuts in my humble opinion. Any time someone "might" stop in, something happens. Now his cell phone was cut off. This is not the MIB cutting it off it was Mylow. I am a licensed PI and I can most likely get his NEW cell number if I wanted/needed to. I bet he has a NEW number. This can be researched but I don't think it is needed at this point. IF you did stop by I would bet he would tell you his wife is sick and he can't receive visitors at this time. Look at the big picture here. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is a duck. I know you by reputation only but, as I said before, I think you are better than this.
Bill
@Bill
In addition to a cat and a parrot, does myLow also have a goldfish or any fish? It's beginning to smell fishy!
cheers
chrisC
Ok
Bcc: Mylow
Hi Jez,
Sure, we'd love to hear you elaborate how you think this is working.
I received a phone call yesterday from Wes Crosiar, who has been immersed in free energy research for about 25 years.
He is the one who came up with the idea that magnet polarity flipping in the magnet is part of what makes magnet motors and electromagnetic overunity systems work, such as what Bedini has in his motor. Bedini apparently included something to this effect in one of his patents. Wes conjectures that this is part of what is causing the stator magnet to get cold in Mylow's set-up.
Unfortunately, I was meeting with a couple of guys about the Mylow motor when Wes called, so I wasn't able to take notes or take much time with him. He said he had a heart attack last week and is in recovery, so I might not hear from him for a couple of months. Our wishes for a speedy recover go out to him.
He also said that Tom Bearden recently wrote something about Mylow's magnet motor. I looked for it over at http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/ but don't see it listed there. Maybe one of you knows where we can find a copy?
In other news, I was in on a conference call involving Al Witherspoon a couple of days ago. Al said that Howard Johnson was a neighbor to Ed Leedskalnin (Choral Castle) for a while, and may have gotten some of ideas from him. Al wondered if maybe lay lines might be part of the equation here -- that the motor would work better in some places than others, or perhaps not at all in others.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy"
To: "Sterling"
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: mylows magnet motor
Hi,
I have been reading up on Mylow's magnet motor. I also have been reading
a pamplet by Ed Leedskalnin called magnetic current. I believe this
explains why it works and why the stator magnet discharges. It is not
conventional and with conventional theories as I am sure you are aware
this motor should not work but it does. If you have any questions please
write me, I would be happy to explain what is going on as I understand
it. I have my magnets on order and hopefully I should be able to get one
working and then take it to the next level, my solution was actually
inspired from Tesla's energy transmission coils......
Many thanks, you have a fantastic website,
Regards,
Jez
If Mylow's experimental motor is real, there are a couple of factors that could contribute to its success.
1. Eddy currents in the aluminum disk can perpetuate "waves" while the rotor mags pass the stator.
http://physics.usc.edu/demolab/em_eddy.html
One of Mylow's videos showed an obvious 'wave' traveling along a magnet group when he held iron filings (between plastic) near them.
Where did that wave come from?
2. The Homopolar effect has been a hot topic for over a century. Most physics textbooks don't explain Faraday's Paradox because there is no solution using Classical theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_paradox
However, Quantum Theory attempts to explain how one pole of a magnet can transfer electrons from the center of a spinning disk to the outside, creating HUGE currents.
Quote from Wiki article: "Several experiments have been proposed using electrostatic measurements or electron beams to resolve the issue but apparently none has been successfully performed to date."
It's interesting to find out that homopolar generators are the best choice for building up the charge to fire a 'railgun'.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1891061/6235949
Seems everyone has a different theory these days. However, the 'proof' lies in a working experiment that is verifiable by anyone with the skills, tools and materials to re-create it.
Until that happens, it's only a theory or a joke.
Most people here underestimate sterling. He knows exactly what he's doing.
@queue
If your rotors pull is 1 lb. Your stator should probably not be to high either, maybe 2-3 or maybe 4 lbs. maximum pull. I think this is where most are having the trouble. That and keeping the wheel far away from any other secured metalic objects that the rotor fields could latch onto. There is also the wheel weight of Mylows compared to ours. I wonder how much his wheel weighed.
Also, Mylow already mentioned the new rotors where put in sets of 4, with about 2 inches between sets.
My aluminum disk in ordered so hopefully I will have it very soon. It will have a groove on the edge to have the rotors slide and hold to their positions.
I have a request for all guys with replications.
If your wheel is well populated with rotors and you can secure your stator as per Mylows. Now I don't care if the wheel does not turn on its own. This is not important. But while populated, just give a good manual turn to the wheel and count how long it takes for your wheel to stop on its own. Or if you can, turn the wheel manually until you reach about 140 rpm then let it go and see how long it takes to stop.
Reason for this simple test.
If Mylow is pulling our leg (as many here purport) about magnets losing strength, then his magnets should still be good and his wheel should be exposed to the same drag effect your wheels will be exposed to when turning it by hand and seeing how long it will take to stop.
If your wheels stop within 1 minute or so, then we have a very hard time explaining how Mylows could have turned for so long without stopping at all since additional to that he had to eventually stop it by hand. Others have already examined the video and said there was no cutting or editing of the video. This will clear a good part of any skepticism. lol
Removed by moderator. Please keep your insults to yourself.
I will be glad to keep mine to myself when Mylow and Sterling recall and stop theirs.
@Stefan, the site owner:
I thought you said that thread should be kept as is and only the other thread should be moderated. Can you please explain to me how my post violate the forum rules? I refuse to believe you would be part of this too.
Miki Out.
So I guess we are now on the second phase of this saga:
- The secret is out and the creator is hidden.
- Conversations now will be encrypted with ridles and poetry
- Replicators will be blistfully lost in different ideas and tracks but no results and off course many theories to explain the unexplainable
- The creator will be showing an even more obscure video "soon" with outstanding performance but covered with unverifiable facts and free from the charge of having to proof anything (he is hidding from the MIBs now, remember?)
- Some will make some more out of it with books, secrets not exposed, "inner circle" contact with the creator and "very important not disclosed" secrets for a few bucks.
- Still no replicators
- and finally mysterious dissapearance of the creator for good.
As one of our friends here said (with some extra words of mine): if sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, dirty things like a duck, it is probably a duck!
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 22, 2009, 04:00:04 PM
So I guess we are now on the second phase of this saga:
- The secret is out and the creator is hidden.
- Conversations now will be encrypted with ridles and poetry
- Replicators will be blistfully lost in different ideas and tracks but no results and off course many theories to explain the unexplainable
- The creator will be showing an even more obscure video "soon" with outstanding performance but covered with unverifiable facts and free from the charge of having to proof anything (he is hidding from the MIBs now, remember?)
- Some will make some more out of it with books, secrets not exposed, "inner circle" contact with the creator and "very important not disclosed" secrets for a few bucks.
- Still no replicators
- and finally mysterious dissapearance of the creator for good.
As one of our friends here said (with some extra words of mine): if sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, dirty things like a duck, it is probably a duck!
Fausto.
History repeating itself ;D ;D
Hi All,
I'd like to add my input to the 'fad' of PM magnetic motors that seem to appear annually.
Time to see what they all have in common.
1.0, Always steeped in controversy, with claim and counter claim as to if they work or not; and the most famous, Steorn, who were going to show to the world, failed at the 11th hour because it hadn't the energy to overcome it's minuscule bearing losses. this introduces point 2.0. Only occasionally are they able to overcome bearing losses, and then by a margin of microwatts or so! 3.0. They are unable to be scaled, or to produce any excess of power!
i posted privately to Sterling, a week or two ago, of the NON OU origin, simply magnetic 'domain flipping', (can buy refrigerators based on this!). Simply, if you provide enough energy to take a magnetic domain to it's 'over centre' position, and then remove the coercive force, the domain cannot stop, and the only place it can obtain the energy from is the electrons buzzing around at 'ambient' temperature, the magnet may get a degree or so cooler, but highly inefficient.
The reason for this post is to introduce a NEW DEFINITION to so called 'magnetic motors. ONLY IF IT ACCELERATES RAPIDLY TO THE POINT OF NEEDING MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL BRAKING IS IT REAL OU!
Unless it displays this characteristic, be it OU or not, will it be of any use!
comments?
Mike
Mike. J. Furness.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 22, 2009, 10:21:56 AM
Bcc: Mylow
Hi Jez,
Sure, we'd love to hear you elaborate how you think this is working.
I received a phone call yesterday from Wes Crosiar, who has been immersed in free energy research for about 25 years.
He is the one who came up with the idea that magnet polarity flipping in the magnet is part of what makes magnet motors and electromagnetic overunity systems work, such as what Bedini has in his motor. Bedini apparently included something to this effect in one of his patents. Wes conjectures that this is part of what is causing the stator magnet to get cold in Mylow's set-up.
Unfortunately, I was meeting with a couple of guys about the Mylow motor when Wes called, so I wasn't able to take notes or take much time with him. He said he had a heart attack last week and is in recovery, so I might not hear from him for a couple of months. Our wishes for a speedy recover go out to him.
He also said that Tom Bearden recently wrote something about Mylow's magnet motor. I looked for it over at http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/ but don't see it listed there. Maybe one of you knows where we can find a copy?
In other news, I was in on a conference call involving Al Witherspoon a couple of days ago. Al said that Howard Johnson was a neighbor to Ed Leedskalnin (Choral Castle) for a while, and may have gotten some of ideas from him. Al wondered if maybe lay lines might be part of the equation here -- that the motor would work better in some places than others, or perhaps not at all in others.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy"
To: "Sterling"
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: mylows magnet motor
Hi,
I have been reading up on Mylow's magnet motor. I also have been reading
a pamplet by Ed Leedskalnin called magnetic current. I believe this
explains why it works and why the stator magnet discharges. It is not
conventional and with conventional theories as I am sure you are aware
this motor should not work but it does. If you have any questions please
write me, I would be happy to explain what is going on as I understand
it. I have my magnets on order and hopefully I should be able to get one
working and then take it to the next level, my solution was actually
inspired from Tesla's energy transmission coils......
Many thanks, you have a fantastic website,
Regards,
Jez
;D
@plengo fausto....
hah...remember that funny post I did a few weeks past, about bearden, steorn et al....showing up in mylow's apartment, and the whole thing blowing up in the dark?
well, it's sort of coming true isn't it?
;)
dixie
Quote from: Mike Furness on April 22, 2009, 05:26:19 PM
2.0. Only occasionally are they able to overcome bearing losses, and then by a margin of microwatts or so!
Only occasionally? Please show me just one?
Quote from: Mike Furness on April 22, 2009, 05:26:19 PM
3.0. They are unable to be scaled, or to produce any excess of power!
Since there are no OU devices (yet), what should be scaled?
Quote from: Mike Furness on April 22, 2009, 05:26:19 PM
ONLY IF IT ACCELERATES RAPIDLY TO THE POINT OF NEEDING MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL BRAKING IS IT REAL OU! Unless it displays this characteristic, be it OU or not, will it be of any use!
Yes, it will prove the principle that it is possible to produce more output energy than is required for input. All it takes is a device that simply continues running without an external supply of energy. Once that is accomplished, the techniques can be improved. But it ain't happened yet.
Once we learn how to crawl, we can start trying to take the first steps.
Quack
Am I correct in assuming that most of the people here have written off Bearden and Bedini? They both seem to be frigging geniuses. I know that Bearden talks alot about Scalar technology and how it's supposedly being used for weather control and triggering earthquakes. There HAVE been a shitload of earthquakes lately. lol
There have always been a shitload of earthquakes. It is just that these days , at times when the newspapers have nothing worthwhile to talk about, an earthquake in upper Uzbekistan that hardly rattles a tea cup becomes big news.
Get real.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 22, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
There have always been a shitload of earthquakes. It is just that these days , at times when the newspapers have nothing worthwhile to talk about, an earthquake in upper Uzbekistan that hardly rattles a tea cup becomes big news.
Get real.
Hans von Lieven
Newspapers have no shortage of things to talk about these days. There has been alot of earthquake and volcanic activity lately, even at Yellowstone. That wasn't really the point of the question, though. Have Bedini and Bearden been written off when it comes to overunity? Bearden's theory of how energy is created from the 'vacuum' is fascinating and based on real science, apparently. No silly answers, please.
RE-POST... (from April 13, 2009)
LAST CALL...
TO ALL,
Mylow Videos from DAY 1 up to NOW are Backup at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
There are 51 videos including Free Energy News Interview.
(several web pages are linked to these videos)
I encourage people who want to make copies of Mylow videos to do it now.
In the event that no new scientific evidence does surface prior to 1 May 2009, these videos will be removed.
(only a question of integrity in relation to the scientific spirit)
So make backup copy or a new backup page if you have the desire to kept all of them.
Best regards,
LightRider
@MYLOW >
The possibility of an overunity engine is more than likely.
An open mind and a scientific spirit are qualities that I admire.
Good luck in all your endeavors.
I renew my offer, if one day I can be helpful, just ask.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 22, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
Have Bedini and Bearden been written off when it comes to overunity?
Does anyone here have a 1:2 battery charger? Does any one have a Window motor self runner, that is self running? When I look at a video like this I tend to not believe the claim:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8484430750184911575&hl=en
He says at one point the battery is not running the motor @ 48 sec.
Then at 1:28, oops, the cap is on the battery line.
Then at 1:42 "I like to use the batts under re-charge."
Why would anyone get excited over a .03v change within 10 min anyway!!?
In other words, it's too much to ask to show a window motor self run? Anyway, this video should not still be up. He later found out and admitted how he knew mikes motor was a scam...yet videos like this still continue to fool people into thinking the window motor can self run. It can't, and there is no proof or self-running demo to look at.
Thoughts?
Joe
p.s. Note to Sterling about the Mylow Motor:
Hi Sterling,
I have one question about your latest article:
" Finding suitable substitute magnets that are in adequate stock has so far been largely an evasive task. " - SA
But he was using Radio Shack magnets at one point and it spun too fast I thought? Can't we switch to the Radio Shack version?
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 22, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
Does anyone here have a 1:2 battery charger? Does any one have a Window motor self runner, that is self running? When I look at a video like this I tend to not believe the claim:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8484430750184911575&hl=en
He says at one point the battery is not running the motor @ 48 sec.
Then at 1:28, oops, the cap is on the battery line.
Then at 1:42 "I like to use the batts under re-charge."
Why would anyone get excited over a .03v change within 10 min anyway!!?
In other words, it's too much to ask to show a window motor self run. Why bother. Anyway, this video should not still be up. He later admitted how he knew mikes motor was a scam, yet videos like this still continue to fool people into thinking the window motor can self run. It can't, and there is no proof or self-running demo to look at.
Thoughts?
Joe
I suppose what i'm really getting at is, they both seem very knowledgeable, but it seems like what they're saying is, they know how to do overunity but are also aware of what happens to anyone who tries to put it out there. I really don't know, and am aware that Bearden himself co-wrote Energy From the Vacuum. I also am aware of Bearden's MEG claim and subsequent non delivery and announcement that he needs 12 million to produce it. It's a see saw in one's mind between 'they're con men' or 'they have it but fear for their safety. '
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 22, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
There have always been a shitload of earthquakes. It is just that these days , at times when the newspapers have nothing worthwhile to talk about, an earthquake in upper Uzbekistan that hardly rattles a tea cup becomes big news.
Get real.
You are both right and wrong (about these days), I just thougt you may have posted a link 4 the sum, http://www.ted.com/index.php
Quote from: LightRider on April 22, 2009, 10:36:50 PM
Mylow Videos from DAY 1 up to NOW are Backup at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
There are 51 videos including Free Energy News Interview.
(several web pages are linked to these videos)
In the event that no new scientific evidence does surface prior to 1 May 2009, these videos will be removed.
I appreciate you making copies of all the videos.
I wish, though, that you would not remove them.
If I could be everything for everyone, I would have copies of all of them myself. But I only have so many hours in a day.
It is bad form to post a video, only to remove it later. I wish Mylow could be depended on. I would expect better from you -- more professionalism.
Please don't remove the videos.
Whatever comes of this project, those are historic documents and should be preserved.
It's not your bandwidth, it's YouTubes' What's the big deal?
Thanks
Sterling
New disk .. which has better bearings ...
i like this config - 8 mags spaced 4 milimeters apart using the HS811n stator ..
Nice transaction ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXemB57F38
Queue
Quote from: sterlinga on April 22, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
Please don't remove the videos.
Thanks
Sterling
I agree with Sterling here.
Sterling, I thought after helping you with the SG list for over a year, that you would maybe just answer a few questions I have (maybe you didn't know it was me) :)
I mean, the fact that Mylow claimed his rotor using Radio Shack bar magnets ran too fast is great! OK, so he has two totally different running magnet motor rotor configs. Can we copy that Radio Shack version since EVERYONE can get those Radio Shack magnets? What is the point in doing anything else where the magnets are too hard to get, if we don't need too?
Thanks!
I am on your side of getting anything that really works out there!
Joe
Quote from: nyctuber on April 22, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
Newspapers have no shortage of things to talk about these days. There has been alot of earthquake and volcanic activity lately, even at Yellowstone. That wasn't really the point of the question, though. Have Bedini and Bearden been written off when it comes to overunity? Bearden's theory of how energy is created from the 'vacuum' is fascinating and based on real science, apparently. No silly answers, please.
The whole idea of energy from the vacuum is idiotic. Logic dictates that if you can pull something from a vacuum it was not a vacuum in the first place.
So much for Bearden.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 12:11:55 AM
The whole idea of energy from the vacuum is idiotic. Logic dictates that if you can pull something from a vacuum it was not a vacuum in the first place.
So much for Bearden.
Hans von Lieven
'Vacuum' is used non-literally..You clearly have never seen the documentary and have no knowledge of Bearden's theory. Watch the movie or stop wasting my time.
I have the videos and will do a backup page if no one else is.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 12:18:27 AM
Yes, the 'vacuum' in the not meant literally. You clearly have never seen the documentary and have no knowledge of Bearden's theory. Watch the movie or stop wasting my time.
I have read his theories. The first thing a scientist should do is to be specific in his definitions. Malleable definitions are a sloppy way to address an issue, they cannot be pinned down to specifics, that's why lawyers like it so much. But that is only part of it. His theories rank about equal with the phlogiston theory that was very popular amongst scientists a while ago. Not that Bearden's theories can even ascribe to that kind of popularity.
Hans von Lieven
@LightRider
How do we download from youtube? I can download them and put them on my ftp site.
Or if you can make a CD and send it to me, I could upload it to the ftp plus make sub-directories for each build . It's a no frills place to get alot of OU stuff. It is basically an extension of my hard disk. lol I have hard drives on my computer going from C to Q.
@queue
Ya ya ya.
After watching all your videos, I only noticed now why your name is @queue.
I laughed for at least a good 10 minutes. lol
Next time you start a video you should show you putting a little blue chalk on the tip to get your queue ready. lol
Your HS811n has a 13 lb pull and we can notice that your stator is rather far from the rotors if we compare to Mylows first demo with the weak magnets, then he showed the video with the stronger stator placed about the same distance. So there is some correlation. Ya ya.
This tells me that with the same rotor value and the HS170 that is 3 lb pull, the stator will logically have to be placed closer then yours, hence nearer to Mylows first demo.
The wheel mass. If I remember correctly, Mylow once said it weighed about 15 pounds but i think this was like hand weighed and not with a scale. Can anyone confirm this. Once the wheel inertia kicks in to add just a little more speed, that wheel should turn non stop.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
I have read his theories. The first thing a scientist should do is to be specific in his definitions. Malleable definitions are a sloppy way to address an issue, they cannot be pinned down to specifics, that's why lawyers like it so much. But that is only part of it. His theories rank about equal with the phlogiston theory that was very popular amongst scientists a while ago. Not that Bearden's theories can even ascribe to that kind of popularity.
Hans von Lieven
Thanks for saying nothing. Feel free not to respond to my posts in the future.
duplicate
@ wattsup,
Get a program called save2pc. The lite version is free and allows you to save You-tube clips.
Hope that helps
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: sterlinga on April 22, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
I appreciate you making copies of all the videos.
I wish, though, that you would not remove them.
If I could be everything for everyone, I would have copies of all of them myself. But I only have so many hours in a day.
It is bad form to post a video, only to remove it later. I wish Mylow could be depended on. I would expect better from you -- more professionalism.
Please don't remove the videos.
Whatever comes of this project, those are historic documents and should be preserved.
It's not your bandwidth, it's YouTubes' What's the big deal?
Thanks
Sterling
So whose coat tails will ride on next $$
Removed by moderator.
@sterlinga, what I'm sayn is u have no street cred at any point. @mylow, i hope ur dign the poison democracy at tis point. ( I hope u saved my first email from Jan. when i was way fkn mor sincere than any1 hear) period.
It gets curiouser and curiouser
Alice in Wonderland
How appropriate
Hans von Lieven
@hans , i find this service a little better in quality http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/
@ Hans , there is no Alice in wonder land for me, I started this thread and offered Mylow $, machine build help via PM, and wanted to visit way before i started the thread. I stated on page 4? i was gonna sit and wait. Cow poke so to speak. I'm still cow poken', gotta raise cows if u want a cow to poke.
Actually X, I wasn't referring to you :)
Hans
Quote from: sterlinga on April 22, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
I appreciate you making copies of all the videos.
I wish, though, that you would not remove them.
If I could be everything for everyone, I would have copies of all of them myself. But I only have so many hours in a day.
It is bad form to post a video, only to remove it later. I wish Mylow could be depended on. I would expect better from you -- more professionalism.
Please don't remove the videos.
Whatever comes of this project, those are historic documents and should be preserved.
It's not your bandwidth, it's YouTubes' What's the big deal?
Thanks
Sterling
You are someone who seems open, generous and comprehensive.
You, your point of view and your action has been and will be respected by me.
The idea was to backup to prevent videos of great importance suddenly disappear as has happened so often in the past.
I did not intend for this to become historic documents that should be preserved.
Wattsup and Nyctuber will now take over, thanks
Quote from: wattsup on April 23, 2009, 12:32:26 AM
@LightRider
How do we download from youtube? I can download them and put them on my ftp site.
Or if you can make a CD and send it to me, I could upload it to the ftp plus make sub-directories for each build . It's a no frills place to get alot of OU stuff. It is basically an extension of my hard disk. lol I have hard drives on my computer going from C to Q.
A simple way is to use a site to upload videos (for example):
http://keepvid.com/
copy / paste the URL of the video
and click on: >> Download << (get_video.mp4 - High Quality)
and that's it.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 12:19:28 AM
I have the videos and will do a backup page if no one else is.
Thanks
Wattsup or Nyctuber, I would be absent for the next two weeks,
you think it gives you enough time to redo a Backup page?
and it would also be useful and appreciated to redo the video links at http://peswiki.com/
I'm sure Sterling will be happy to assist you with this.
LightRider
@wattsup
you can D/L videos on youtube by using a proggy called Grabit, can be had here www.shemes.com
Quote from: LightRider on April 23, 2009, 02:27:19 AM
Wattsup or Nyctuber, I would be absent for the next two weeks,
you think it gives you enough time to redo a Backup page?
and it would also be useful and appreciated to redo the video links at http://peswiki.com/
I'm sure Sterling will be happy to assist you with this.
LightRider
I can do a page without much trouble. If sterling wants them, he can just link to them.
Quote from: LightRider on April 22, 2009, 10:36:50 PM
RE-POST... (from April 13, 2009)
LAST CALL...
TO ALL,
Mylow Videos from DAY 1 up to NOW are Backup at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
There are 51 videos including Free Energy News Interview.
(several web pages are linked to these videos)
I encourage people who want to make copies of Mylow videos to do it now.
In the event that no new scientific evidence does surface prior to 1 May 2009, these videos will be removed.
(only a question of integrity in relation to the scientific spirit)
So make backup copy or a new backup page if you have the desire to kept all of them.
Best regards,
LightRider
@MYLOW >
The possibility of AN over unity engine is more than likely.
An open mind and a scientific spirit are qualities that I admire.
Good luck in all your endeavors.
I renew my offer, if one day I can be helpful, just ask.
Aren't you afraid the MIB,NSA,FBI could come looking for you because you have spread this taboo info?
MYLOW has been infested by them, yet, you host the videos, as does Sterling without any repercussions , covert visits, threats etc....hmmm.
Are the MIB stupid? Or just picky??????????????
Or is it all B.S.?
They ONLY seem to be after MYLOW not to post videos. Everybody posts them and it's OK.
Sterling posts the plans and videos, and no problem. Maybe MYLOW's cat and cocketiel video ticked them off so much that wasteed money to send agents to house to fight off his wife, who broomsticking the perpetual motion holy grail, never been achieved before device no the will smith MIB dudes could not get their hands on it......................................
Be careful of the mind eraser ..................
Why did Sterling appear so quickly after MYLOW posted his first videos?
How much for the plans???????????
Sterling ever see the motor running???
WOW.
How curious?
Quote from: queue on April 22, 2009, 11:41:42 PM
New disk .. which has better bearings ...
i like this config - 8 mags spaced 4 milimeters apart using the HS811n stator ..
Nice transaction ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXemB57F38
Queue
QUEUE, you have set yourself up for major visit from the NSA/FBI and who knows who else.
Aren't you scared?
In the meantime, nice work, great video and keep it up.
Thanks.
Quote from: ellubpt on April 23, 2009, 03:14:31 AM
QUEUE, you have set yourself up for major visit from the NSA/FBI and who knows who else.
Aren't you scared?
In the meantime, nice work, great video and keep it up.
Thanks.
Nah, he's in Canada.
Maybe he'll get a visit from the FB'eh
Hi OC,
No, I haven't heard of ANY working magnetic motor that has survived investigation, that statement merely covered some which MIGHT be working that I don't know about.
I think you miss apply my statement of 'cant be scaled', it is a generality relating to 'claims', and included Bearden(meg) & Bedini. "Claims" are always in the milliwatt category, which is of no use, right or wrong.
And in reply to a later message glorifying Bearden et al, sure we all have theories, some might be quite delightful, but until proven by experiment, are worthless.
I have one BIG problem with Bearden, who has teamed up with Bedini, & Greer, SELLING DVD's of 'Free energy and OU devices you can build at home!" Really; don't you think this is dishonest?
When I approached this group, with promise of millions for just ONE device which would both work, and be repeatable from plans supplied, the answer I got was:- "Sorry, we're too busy running a company!"
Meanwhile, Greer is trawling for both donations and free energy devices to 'develop', When I asked why he didn't use one of the ideas they are selling, total SILENCE was the response.
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
For saving videos I use this FireFox addon http://www.downloadhelper.net/ (http://www.downloadhelper.net/)
Quote from: Mike Furness on April 23, 2009, 03:17:36 AM
Hi OC,
No, I haven't heard of ANY working magnetic motor that has survived investigation, that statement merely covered some which MIGHT be working that I don't know about.
I think you miss apply my statement of 'cant be scaled', it is a generality relating to 'claims', and included Bearden(meg) & Bedini. "Claims" are always in the milliwatt category, which is of no use, right or wrong.
And in reply to a later message glorifying Bearden et al, sure we all have theories, some might be quite delightful, but until proven by experiment, are worthless.
I have one BIG problem with Bearden, who has teamed up with Bedini, & Greer, SELLING DVD's of 'Free energy and OU devices you can build at home!" Really; don't you think this is dishonest?
When I approached this group, with promise of millions for just ONE device which would both work, and be repeatable from plans supplied, the answer I got was:- "Sorry, we're too busy running a company!"
Meanwhile, Greer is trawling for both donations and free energy devices to 'develop', When I asked why he didn't use one of the ideas they are selling, total SILENCE was the response.
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
Mike
IMO selling products that are claimed to be OU or 'Free Energy' is dishonest but making financial profit out of peoples gullibility is an art that's been practised for millenia. I suggest that most people that have studied and experimented with 'Free Energy' devices and have a good grasp of electrical principles will eventually realise through their own experiments that there is no 'free lunch' to be had. Having said this, we do need to appreciate that some people get enjoyment simply from building interesting electrical and mechanical 'grey scientific' devices whether or not they provide a useful function or are fit for purpose. Each of us make our own choices. In the case of the Bedini energiser and Window Motor, many kits are being sold to satisfy this desire to make things which are interesting and unusual.
Hoppy
@Queue,
QuoteNew disk .. which has better bearings ...
i like this config - 8 mags spaced 4 milimeters apart using the HS811n stator ..
Nice transaction ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXemB57F38
Queue
Tried to post this comment on youtube but for some reason it won't appear there. So, here it is:
@QueueContinuum, to dispel the main concern regarding this device, expressed here by @Drevtoobe, it has to be shown that there’s no initial barrier. In other words, the rotation has to be started way before the rotor magnets enter where the rotor-stator magnet interaction gets noticeable. Just shove the rotor slightly at that point to give it approximately the speed it has at the exit. You accidentally do something similar at 0:35-0:37 and 3:15-3:16 but the results don’t seem promising.
If the initial barrier, the barrier when rotor magnets enter the stator field, using for that the energy gained from the previous cluster, cannot be overcome then the studied configuration isn't working. The fact that the rotor turns when started "from the top of the hill" so to speak, that is, when you've imparted to it, as you're doing in the video, enough energy to overcome the initial barrier, is something well known. It isn't an indication that there's a promise in this particular configuration or any other tried the same way.
@Happy,
QuoteI suggest that most people that have studied and experimented with 'Free Energy' devices and have a good grasp of electrical principles will eventually realise through their own experiments that there is no 'free lunch' to be had.
Not true. Discontinuously, in terms of free energy, there is a way for free lunch to be had. Accidentally, lunch cannot be had continuously, therefore, lunch analogy is fully accomplishable.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 22, 2009, 11:51:48 PM
I mean, the fact that Mylow claimed his rotor using Radio Shack bar magnets ran too fast is great! OK, so he has two totally different running magnet motor rotor configs. Can we copy that Radio Shack version since EVERYONE can get those Radio Shack magnets? What is the point in doing anything else where the magnets are too hard to get, if we don't need too?
Hi Joe,
We don't have any specs that I know of on the bar magnet configuration that he began showing us when he launched his new YouTube account:
http://www.youtube.com/user/projectmagma
Those are the Radio Shack magnets.
(Mylow sent PMMTester a rotor and stator magnet)
[4/21/2009 10:47:56 PM] Sterling D. Allan says: Did you confirm that the stator magnet was indeed alnico, not iron?
[9:29:31 AM] pmmtester says: Yes, two experts confirmed it is Alnico. One mentioned that it was most likely "long grained" Alnico.
I've updated the plans doc and PESWiki site accordingly. If you happen to stumble onto something over at PESWiki that says they are iron, feel free to edit it accordingly.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 23, 2009, 12:06:58 PM
(Mylow sent PMMTester a rotor and stator magnet)
[4/21/2009 10:47:56 PM] Sterling D. Allan says: Did you confirm that the stator magnet was indeed alnico, not iron?
[9:29:31 AM] pmmtester says: Yes, two experts confirmed it is Alnico. One mentioned that it was most likely "long grained" Alnico.
I've updated the plans doc and PESWiki site accordingly. If you happen to stumble onto something over at PESWiki that says they are iron, feel free to edit it accordingly.
Sterlinga:
Did you see TK's latest set of MyLow debunking videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhs5nnRSB4&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 23, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
Sterlinga:
Did you see TK's latest set of MyLow debunking videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhs5nnRSB4&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
Thanks, Chris.
Sterling should add these to his replications page. TK has one of the better replications and he demonstrates a lot of good testing and analysis techniques. He has probably put more effort and expense into his replication than any of the other replicators.
Quote from: chrisC on April 23, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
Sterlinga:
Did you see TK's latest set of MyLow debunking videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhs5nnRSB4&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
TK couldn't get it to work. He removes the electric motor, which Mylow DIDN'T have, shows the sonic signature of the bearings, etc, and lets it run down with keepers on the rotor margnets. He plays Zappa and shows it's level as some sort of proof that he didn't simply fail. What an idiot.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
TK couldn't get it to work. He removes the electric motor, which Mylow DIDN'T have, shows the sonic signature of the bearings, etc, and lets it run down with keepers on the rotor margnets. He plays Zappa and shows it's level as some sort of proof that he didn't simply fail. What an idiot.
@ nyctuber
Well, TK showed an explanation based upon some given variables, such as disk size, weight, material and similar but not identical magnets. Then he proceeded to show how long it took to wind down an unassisted rotating disk at a certain RPM etc. Plus even showed his electric motor to keep the disk accelerating until he unplugged it. These are facts and the results tracked with MyLow's 'discovery'.
Now, we all took MyLow's word for it and his videos seemed real. He could have hidden the electric motor inside that big spindle(?). I like to believe MyLow's experiment but because of these MIB excuses and the fact he has never been able to independently verify these experiments leaves a bad taste in the mouth, so to speak. TK's way of showing potential snakeoil videos may not appeal to many but he has put in significant work just to prove there needs to be independent verification.
I hold my judgement but I am more convinced TK's videos tell the story better.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 23, 2009, 12:50:29 PM
@ nyctuber
Well, TK showed an explanation based upon some given variables, such as disk size, weight, material and similar but not identical magnets. Then he proceeded to show how long it took to wind down an unassisted rotating disk at a certain RPM etc. Plus even showed his electric motor to keep the disk accelerating until he unplugged it. These are facts and the results tracked with MyLow's 'discovery'.
Now, we all took MyLow's word for it and his videos seemed real. He could have hidden the electric motor inside that big spindle(?). I like to believe MyLow's experiment but because of these MIB excuses and the fact he has never been able to independently verify these experiments leaves a bad taste in the mouth, so to speak. TK's way of showing potential snakeoil videos may not appeal to many but he has put in significant work just to prove there needs to be independent verification.
I hold my judgement but I am more convinced TK's videos tell the story better.
cheers
chrisC
I know he's using good controlled method, but what I see is another guy who couldn't reproduce it and did not prove why. If Mylow had an electric motor in the base, how was he able to stop rotation with his hand? An elaborate remote controlled motor? What, he started the remote controlled motor, then stopped it via remote, then stopped the platter with his hand during wind down? No way. I think it's fair to say that it's not about exact spacing between the rotors, that's really all I can glean from this mess.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2009, 07:27:46 AM
@Queue,
Tried to post this comment on youtube but for some reason it won't appear there. So, here it is:
Got fed up with all the nut jobs who like to prove they have zero class and throw endless insults about magnet motors or the search for overunity.. i put moderation on the comments and as i work a 9 to 5 and i can't always log in to approve pending comments in a timely fashion it can take some time before it shows up.
i don't mind if people disagree with me - that's what free speech is all about and i do approve comments of that nature too, even if i disagree with their opinion, but i don't have to tolerate rude or ignorant commentary and i won't given the choice.
i remove the people types who choose to play the immature ignoramus role and block them from my videos.
your comment was approved BTW.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2009, 07:27:46 AM
@QueueContinuum, to dispel the main concern regarding this device, expressed here by @Drevtoobe, it has to be shown that there’s no initial barrier. In other words, the rotation has to be started way before the rotor magnets enter where the rotor-stator magnet interaction gets noticeable. Just shove the rotor slightly at that point to give it approximately the speed it has at the exit. You accidentally do something similar at 0:35-0:37 and 3:15-3:16 but the results don’t seem promising.
If the initial barrier, the barrier when rotor magnets enter the stator field, using for that the energy gained from the previous cluster, cannot be overcome then the studied configuration isn't working. The fact that the rotor turns when started "from the top of the hill" so to speak, that is, when you've imparted to it, as you're doing in the video, enough energy to overcome the initial barrier, is something well known. It isn't an indication that there's a promise in this particular configuration or any other tried the same way.
IMO a good config moves the rotor with nice acceleration and has only a small pullback effect leaving the stator array - i find that when i try to advantage the power in the magnets by moving the stator closer to the rotors - the entry rotor repel sequence to the stator field is too strong and the pullback leaving the stators field noticeably slows down the rotor.
A good config moves smoothly from one rotor segment to another.
i like the config with 8 rotors - it moves nice and it is one that i saw on one of Mylows videos - the one where he shows the wave. On that disk he had 2 rotor segments ( 3 * 8 rotors + 1 * 4 ) + (3 * 8 + 1* 3) - i plan to try this config next and see if it works having tried just about everything else i have seen on his disk so far.
Still no Mylow effect here though.
Thanks for your suggestions - every bit helps.
Cheers
Queue
@queue,
QuoteIMO a good config moves the rotor with nice acceleration and has only a small pullback effect leaving the stator array
Can we see that in a vid? Much appreciated.
Hi Dan,
Those are very nice-looking graphics. Thanks for sending them. I've posted them at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Drawings:Dan_Jonsson
OS:MYLOW:Drawings:Dan Jonsson - In addition to providing some good-looking graphics of Mylow's design, Dan Jonsson proposes and electromagnetic variant. "The whole idea is that you could implement the Bedini principle in order to convert the magnetic flux to electricity and boost the opposit magnetic field to speed up the rotation, spin up the electrons and thus minimizing the demagnetization." (PESWiki; April 23, 2009)
I also added one of the graphics to the home page at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAN JONSSON"
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Idea: Mylow joined with Keppe
I have tinkered a bit on mylows idea. I made some image i wanted to
present. I have more on the way but i wont work any more on them
unless they can be of inventress to any of you.
the whole idea is that you could implement the bedini principle
inorders to convert the magnetic flux to electricity and boost the
opposit magnetic field to speed up the rotation, spin up the electrons
and thus making the demagnetization kepping on a minimum.
If this is of use to any of you please let me know.
Best regards
Dan Jonsson
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
I have read his theories. The first thing a scientist should do is to be specific in his definitions. Malleable definitions are a sloppy way to address an issue, they cannot be pinned down to specifics, that's why lawyers like it so much. But that is only part of it. His theories rank about equal with the phlogiston theory that was very popular amongst scientists a while ago. Not that Bearden's theories can even ascribe to that kind of popularity.
Hans von Lieven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum#Quantum-mechanical_definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
"According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is "by no means a simple empty space"[1], and again: "it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void."[2] According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence.[3][4][5]"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30372491/
Quote from: dragon on April 23, 2009, 06:15:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum#Quantum-mechanical_definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
"According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is "by no means a simple empty space"[1], and again: "it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void."[2] According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence.[3][4][5]"
The only reason why the quantum guys call it a vacuum (which isn't a vacuum) is because they do not want to call it ether (aether) which is what they are really talking about. >:(
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 07:11:01 PM
The only reason why the quantum guys call it a vacuum (which isn't a vacuum) is because they do not want to call it ether (aether) which is what they are really talking about. >:(
Hans von Lieven
Define 'your' vaccum. No real vacuum (i.e. a space where nothing is really there) has been discovered, yet. The vacuum in the space is the quantum vacuum (or ether if you like it), and it's full of energy - no wonder that people want to find a way to use it.
BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
Helium will remain liquid (cannot be frozen) down to absolute zero at normal pressures due to the quantum foam (ZPE, sea of energy) that is believed to exist everywhere -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium#Solid_and_liquid_phases
Quote from: dragon on April 23, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
Define 'your' vaccum. No real vacuum (i.e. a space where nothing is really there) has been discovered, yet. The vacuum in the space is the quantum vacuum (or ether if you like it), and it's full of energy - no wonder that people want to find a way to use it.
BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
A vacuum properly defined is a space containing nothing. (The word comes from the Latin term for "empty")
According to Parmenides (ca. 450 BC) such a space cannot exist in nature. In fact Parmenides argued that such a space cannot even be envisaged by the human mind. (Parmenides incidentally coined the immortal phrase, here in Latin, which is the best known version, Ex nihilo nihil fit, which means out of nothing comes nothing)
It would seem that modern quantum physics has discovered Parmenides. Pity they don't give him credit.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
A vacuum properly defined is a space containing nothing. (The word comes from the Latin term for "empty")
According to Parmenides (ca. 450 BC) such a space cannot exist in nature. In fact Parmenides argued that such a space cannot even be envisaged by the human mind. (Parmenides incidentally coined the immortal phrase, here in Latin, which is the best known version, Ex nihilo nihil fit, which means out of nothing comes nothing)
It would seem that modern quantum physics has discovered Parmenides. Pity they don't give him credit.
Hans von Lieven
In that message
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg173702#msg173702
you said:
"The whole idea of energy from the vacuum is idiotic."
while you must have known what vacuum nyctuber had in mind, as he even used quotation marks, when mentioning vacuum: "how energy is created from the 'vacuum' is fascinating and based on real science, apparently. No silly answers, please."
and he asked politely "no silly answers please".
Some controversial, but interesting vacuum theories:
http://www.eioba.com/a85528/torsion_fields_theory_of_physical_vacuum_shipov_and_heim
I saw the rest of TK's vids and I'll hand it to the guy he was thorough. Still can't say he conclusively proved WHY Mylow's setup didn't work (he doesn't claim to), but it was interesting.
It seems that the glass top video, which showed a taped down stator holder, somewhat conclusively proved he did not fake it. How did he get the stator to crash into the rotors? There was no visible pushing of either the disk or the stator bar as far as I could tell. To move the stator bar, he would have had to remove the tape, which would assumedly be audible, and would have caused him to have a specific camera angle while doing it. using his left hand to remove the tape while holding the camera with his right. Moving the disk would have required reaching under and moving it by the base. Again, a camera angle and distance which would have contradicted the one we see as it crashes.
It would be interesting to see a recreation by someone with a video cam and a replication to attempt to duplicate this.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 10:50:16 PM
I saw the rest of TK's vids and I'll hand it to the guy he was thorough. Still can't say he conclusively proved WHY Mylow's setup didn't work, but it was interesting.
Here's one experiment he didn't try, and I'd welcome anyone with a replication and handheld videocamera to try it.
Mylow was able to stop his rig by hand, which basically rules out an electric motor, unless it was started and stopped via remote and ran on batteries. It would also have necessitated running his rig with a dead stator. I highly doubt that, as it contradicts the initial cogging shown while trying to find the sweet spot, and other things, like the stator crashing into the rotors during the glass top video.
This leaves only one alternative, if it was a 'fraud': started by hand and kept in rotation by hand.
So, how about you skeptics try filming while starting it by hand, and look for clear signs of camera wobble associated with pushing with the hand not holding the camera and compare it to Mylow's.
EDIT: Seems to me that the glass top video which showed a taped down stator holder somewhat conclusively proved he did not fake it. How did he get the stator to crash into the rotors? There was no visible pushing of either the disk or the stator bar as far as I could tell.To move the stator, he would have had to remove the tape, which would assumedly be audible, and caused him to have a certain camera angle while doing it. Moving the disk would have required reaching under and moginv the bearing assembly. Again, a camera angle change we would unboubtedly have seen.
How did I fake my video that is below Mike's in the last link (self-running window motor):
Below is a link to a few videos of Mikes motor Scam (down a bit on the pes page) and then my copy of the video.
The differences are that Mikes meter will go up to 6v+ And my version (since I didn't have a 6v batt at the time) will go up to 12v.
Stop the motor, the cap stops charging. Start it up agian, and it charges.
In the videos, the voltage after shorting out a cap will climb due to the meter itself charging the cap I believe, nothing special there to look at. My hidden power is not in the motor or cap or meter or bread board. The motor running is what charges the cap and you can see that voltage on the meter as it will reach 12v. It takes about 50ma @ 12v to run that motor.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Modified_Bedini_Cole_Window_Motor
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 23, 2009, 11:17:25 PM
How did I fake my video that is below Mike's in the last link (self-running window motor):
....Anyway, here is a video of Mikes motor Scam (down a bit on the pes page) and then my copy of the video.
The differences are that Mikes will go up to 6v+ And my version (since I didn't have a 6v batt at the time) will go up to 12v.
In the videos, the voltage after shorting out a cap will climb due to the meter itself charging the cap I believe, nothing special there to look at. My hidden power is not in the motor or cap or meter or bread board. The motor running is what charges the cap and you can see that voltage on the meter as it will reach 12v. It takes about 50ma @ 12v to run that motor.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Modified_Bedini_Cole_Window_Motor
Thanks,
Joe
I don't see how that's at all related to Mylow's videos, sorry.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
I don't see how that's at all related to Mylow's videos, sorry.
Yeah, you may be right. Or maybe it is related.
No one has ever been able to figure out how I did it. Same possibility as Mylow's if it's unreal.
You wrote this:
"the glass top video, which showed a taped down stator holder, somewhat conclusively proved he did not fake it."
I like the "somewhat conclusively" part :) But anyway, no, it doesn't prove anything.
Thanks,
Joe
Hey, I think Joe's point was...it can be done. (faked) Does anyone here remember xpensif's device? (I know Omnibus does) I believe a hair dryer was used in that video. He had a lot of us going for a while, yes, me too. I replicated it (as did many others) and it did not work. This guy even sold it on ebay AFTER it was proven to be faked. Go figure.
I am still not ready to condemn Mylow, not enough evidence. BUT, there is equally not enough evidence to say it is the real deal and let's sell plans.
Faking is easy, doing it for real is not. Let's keep our heads about us here and not jump to any conclusions any more than some (Sterling) already have.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 01:57:26 AM
Hey, I think Joe's point was...it can be done. (faked) Does anyone here remember xpensif's device? (I know Omnibus does) I believe a hair dryer was used in that video. He had a lot of us going for a while, yes, me too. I replicated it (as did many others) and it did not work. This guy even sold it on ebay AFTER it was proven to be faked. Go figure.
I am still not ready to condemn Mylow, not enough evidence. BUT, there is equally not enough evidence to say it is the real deal and let's sell plans.
Faking is easy, doing it for real is not. Let's keep our heads about us here and not jump to any conclusions any more than some (Sterling) already have.
Bill
I know that was his point, but my point is Mylow's videos are entirely different. There is certainly no way he used a hair dryer, for one thing. The one thing we can all agree on is no one has had any luck reproducing it.
Hey, no offense intended but, TK';s videos were different too, up till the point he showed his motor. Again, I am not making any judgments here, not enough intel, but it IS possible to be faked is all I am saying.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 02:19:55 AM
Hey, no offense intended but, TK';s videos were different too, up till the point he showed his motor. Again, I am not making any judgments here, not enough intel, but it IS possible to be faked is all I am saying.
Bill
Right, but I don't see how the motor TK used is relevant. Mylow clearly did not use one. Stopping the rotor by hand as he does creates a problem with the motor scenario. If anything, it lends more validity to Mylow's claim. We need specific ways in which he could have faked it to match up with the videos.
I still think the glass table demo proves it's not fake. There's no way he removed the tape holding the stator bar during the video, and the camera angle basically proves he did not use his left hand to move the stator bar while holding the camera with his right..How, then, did the stator crash into the rotors?
Perhaps someone can try an experiment to see if, spun by hand, the stator will hit the rotors through attractive force, using an aluminum stator holder similar to Mylow's.
You just actually just proved that it is most likely fake.
Mylow's magnets were deguassing because his device
was running in repel mode, yet then we have the crash video
and his device runs in attract mode ..
He's got to be the greatest builder of all times.
Every combination of magnets he tries works, yet no
combination of magnets anyone else tries works.
Quote from: Digjam on April 24, 2009, 03:06:28 AM
You just actually just proved that it is most likely fake.
Mylow's magnets were deguassing because his device
was running in repel mode, yet then we have the crash video
and his device runs in attract mode ..
He's got to be the greatest builder of all times.
Every combination of magnets he tries works, yet no
combination of magnets anyone else tries works.
The N-S orientation of the stator alternates between attract and repel mode with the rotors. Mylow has always stated there is a strong attractive force between stator and rotor depending on the strength of the magnets. You're not making any sense.
Quote from: Digjam on April 24, 2009, 03:06:28 AM
You just actually just proved that it is most likely fake.
Mylow's magnets were deguassing because his device
was running in repel mode, yet then we have the crash video
and his device runs in attract mode ..
He's got to be the greatest builder of all times.
Every combination of magnets he tries works, yet no
combination of magnets anyone else tries works.
Good observation there.
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on April 24, 2009, 02:36:29 AM
Right, but I don't see how the motor TK used is relevant. Mylow clearly did not use one. Stopping the rotor by hand as he does creates a problem with the motor scenario. If anything, it lends more validity to Mylow's claim. We need specific ways in which he could have faked it to match up with the videos.
I still think the glass table demo proves it's not fake. There's no way he removed the tape holding the stator bar during the video, and the camera angle basically proves he did not use his left hand to move the stator bar while holding the camera with his right..How, then, did the stator crash into the rotors?
Perhaps someone can try an experiment to see if, spun by hand, the stator will hit the rotors through attractive force, using an aluminum stator holder similar to Mylow's.
"Mylow clearly did not use one? Were you there? Heck, you/we would have never known TK used a motor unless he showed us. I think this point is VERY relevant. Gee, I can only think of about 20 ways I could fake this and I believe, the smarter guys on here could come up with way more than that. Just open your mind a little and don't make absolute statements like "Mylow clearly did not use one." No one knows for sure except Mylow. Oh , and the FBI, the NSA and the CIA and God knows who else.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 03:21:39 AM
"Mylow clearly did not use one? Were you there? Heck, you/we would have never known TK used a motor unless he showed us. I think this point is VERY relevant. Gee, I can only think of about 20 ways I could fake this and I believe, the smarter guys on here could come up with way more than that. Just open your mind a little and don't make absolute statements like "Mylow clearly did not use one." No one knows for sure except Mylow. Oh , and the FBI, the NSA and the CIA and God knows who else.
Bill
Yes it's clear he didn't use one. Mylow routinely showed the underside of his device. He also routinely stopped it by hand. How exactly would he do that if if was running via electric motor? A remote controlled battery operated motor inside the base which he is constantly starting and stopping? Don't think so. No sonic signature whatsoever as far as I can tell.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 23, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Hi Dan,
Those are very nice-looking graphics. Thanks for sending them. I've posted them at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Drawings:Dan_Jonsson
OS:MYLOW:Drawings:Dan Jonsson - In addition to providing some good-looking graphics of Mylow's design, Dan Jonsson proposes and electromagnetic variant. "The whole idea is that you could implement the Bedini principle in order to convert the magnetic flux to electricity and boost the opposit magnetic field to speed up the rotation, spin up the electrons and thus minimizing the demagnetization." (PESWiki; April 23, 2009)
I also added one of the graphics to the home page at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAN JONSSON"
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Idea: Mylow joined with Keppe
I have tinkered a bit on mylows idea. I made some image i wanted to
present. I have more on the way but i wont work any more on them
unless they can be of inventress to any of you.
the whole idea is that you could implement the bedini principle
inorders to convert the magnetic flux to electricity and boost the
opposit magnetic field to speed up the rotation, spin up the electrons
and thus making the demagnetization kepping on a minimum.
If this is of use to any of you please let me know.
Best regards
Dan Jonsson
Talking about Bedini.... We earlier discussed doubts here about Bearden and Bedini because of Mylow. The whole thing compromises Johnson who's a trusted friend of Bearden and Bedini. We also failed with Brady's Perendev version of Johnson's motor patent. It all leads back to Johnson. So, maybe we should first study Bearden's books better and try to follow some of his suggestions for a permanent magnet motor. For anyone seriously interested in Bearden's writings I add here the link to download his book 'Energy from the Vacuum - Concepts and principles" at scribd.com (© Attribution Non-commercial)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13801534/Bearden-Energy-From-the-Vacuum-Concepts-and-Principles-2002-org
Has anyone tried his suggestion for an all magnet motor without coils and wire? Only without coils and wire the relativism principle and paradigm that lames this planet can be broken. We should be more aware about the theorical side of this and be critical about Einstein and his relativity principle. Remember that Bruce DePalma proved it wrong with his spinning ball trajectory experiment. Inertial mass spinning changes the gravitational mass effect in a trajectory and thus Einstein's principle of general relativity is not always true. That's why DePalma was ousted by the scientific community. But it worked and Paramahamsa Tewari has his Space Energy generator from it.
So what was Bearden's suggestion? Studying him, who as a physicist is critical enough about relativism i'd say, he turns out to mention e.g. at page 376 of the book the use of "skin depth magnetic switching" (an idea of Bedini, see picture). This Bedini-switch suggestion reminds me of Gary's neutral zone oscillator nobody could replicate as yet. Still Gary, a contemporary of Tesla was the first to produce a working all magnet motor in history based upon diamagnetic switching. But Tesla was more attractive at the time as an effective power generator alas, and Gary was neglected since. Al Francoeur tried Gary's patent but couldn't get Gary's principle under control. Is this skin deep magnetism switching maybe a way to manage a rotary magnet set up better than this perpetual disappointment with Mylow, Brady, and ultimately, yes, Johnson? We don't want to lose Bearden and Bedini in this, don't we?
AA
Links:
Rexresearch on Gary: http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm
Al's experiment: http://keelynet.com/energy/gary2001.htm
My story about this perpetual motion affair: http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/4.html
Gaby de Wilde's version of the diamagnetic perpetual motion switch on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7M6S2brhFE&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on April 24, 2009, 03:25:39 AM
Yes it's clear he didn't use one. Mylow routinely showed the underside of his device. He also routinely stopped it by hand. How exactly would he do that if if was running via electric motor? A remote controlled battery operated motor inside the base which he is constantly starting and stopping? Don't think so. No sonic signature whatsoever as far as I can tell.
You don`t have to use a motor directly coupled to the disk, a rotating magnet on a motor off screen would cause the disk to spin and you could still stop the disk by hand.
I`m not saying that that mylow did this, just that its not difficult to do even if it were on a glass top table.
A simple rubber band in the bearing housing would be sufficient to get it running. It would not be difficult to do this.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 06:09:09 AM
A simple rubber band in the bearing housing would be sufficient to get it running. It would not be difficult to do this.
Hans von Lieven
An elastic band is a distinct possibility, or perhaps a spring. I think this was faked and as has been suggested, there are no doubt various ways of doing it by someone with a innovative mind.
Hoppy
AA
Butch LaFonte has a similar idea here [concept]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7301.0;topicseen
Chet
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 03:15:50 AM
Good observation there.
Bill
@Digiam
Mylows motor was always shown to be working in repel mode .. i have seen no evidence he ever showed it working in attract mode,
what makes you think it was ?
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 24, 2009, 07:56:12 AM
@Digiam
Mylows motor was always shown to be working in repel mode .. i have seen no evidence he ever showed it working in attract mode,
what makes you think it was ?
Queue
I was replying to nyctuber's obversations
Quote from: nyctuber on April 24, 2009, 02:36:29 AM
Right, but I don't see how the motor TK used is relevant. Mylow clearly did not use one. Stopping the rotor by hand as he does creates a problem with the motor scenario. If anything, it lends more validity to Mylow's claim. We need specific ways in which he could have faked it to match up with the videos.
I still think the glass table demo proves it's not fake. There's no way he removed the tape holding the stator bar during the video, and the camera angle basically proves he did not use his left hand to move the stator bar while holding the camera with his right..How, then, did the stator crash into the rotors?
Perhaps someone can try an experiment to see if, spun by hand, the stator will hit the rotors through attractive force, using an aluminum stator holder similar to Mylow's.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 23, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
A vacuum properly defined is a space containing nothing. (The word comes from the Latin term for "empty")
According to Parmenides (ca. 450 BC) such a space cannot exist in nature. In fact Parmenides argued that such a space cannot even be envisaged by the human mind. (Parmenides incidentally coined the immortal phrase, here in Latin, which is the best known version, Ex nihilo nihil fit, which means out of nothing comes nothing)
It would seem that modern quantum physics has discovered Parmenides. Pity they don't give him credit.
Hans von Lieven
As you know, definitions often vary over time, and can also have multiple meanings. Modern conventional physics defines the vacuum as a volume of space that is essentially empty of ***
matter***.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
According to conventional physics, spacetime (space & time) is not matter per say, but is something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
PL
The rotor hit the stator because the stator and its bridge was not placed dead center to the wheel shaft. Hence any variation in the rotor placements would have been accentuated and thus hit the stator. Just look at the video and see how off center the stator bridge was.
@AnandAadhar
Yep. That's exactly what I have been testing these days. Stator with neos or alnicos on lengths of transformer laminate blocks. You can actually almost cancel a polarity or weaken it to the point of not affecting the rotors. lol.
Quote from: Lakes on April 24, 2009, 05:26:19 AM
You don`t have to use a motor directly coupled to the disk, a rotating magnet on a motor off screen would cause the disk to spin and you could still stop the disk by hand.
I`m not saying that that mylow did this, just that its not difficult to do even if it were on a glass top table.
Yeah I'm saying theres no way Mylow did that. The glass table video is in the middle of the room, no way he's that sophisticated to pull something like that off.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 06:09:09 AM
A simple rubber band in the bearing housing would be sufficient to get it running. It would not be difficult to do this.
Hans von Lieven
Doesn't make any sense. He didn't start it by winding or holding the disk then letting go. What, a remote controlled rubber band release? Come on.
Quote from: queue on April 24, 2009, 07:56:12 AM
@Digiam
Mylows motor was always shown to be working in repel mode .. i have seen no evidence he ever showed it working in attract mode,
what makes you think it was ?
Queue
If that's the case, and Mylow clearly states many times, that the stator has strong
attraction to the rotors, why are you attempting a reproduction? Assume for a minute it was only in repel mode, Can someone reproduce the stator in 'repel' mode crashing into the rotors with no visible pushing of the taped down stator bar, from a distance/ camera angle which would have made it impossible?
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 23, 2009, 11:25:11 PM
Yeah, you may be right. Or maybe it is related.
No one has ever been able to figure out how I did it. Same possibility as Mylow's if it's unreal.
Thanks,
Joe
A few small batteries hidden inside the Solid State Relay. Mike never had his relay connected properly to work as he claimed it did.
.99
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 06:09:09 AM
A simple rubber band in the bearing housing would be sufficient to get it running. It would not be difficult to do this.
Hans von Lieven
Hans, considering the suggestion of Bearden that an all magnet motor might work on diamagnetic switching, might it be so that Mylow without knowing it constructed a skin deep magnetic switch with the way he attached his magnets to the aluminum plate? The stator magnet as the big one and the rotor magnet as the small one might deliver a magnetic switch through the aluminum that keeps the pulsing of the machine going... a surprise we might have overlooked and therefore were unable to replicate like with e.g. Tinselkoala having the wrong aluminum (too thick), Sterling putting his rotor magnets on plastic and Cleanzer putting the stator magnet too high to switch skindeep. Another glue, or conductive strips under the rotor magnets leading to just below the stator magnet might do the trick. Mylow can thus be excused for being such a paranoid MIB etc nutcase this way. Attention in the style of our sceptic scrutiny - and of me calling him a possible sociopath - is not always as nice he must agree with I guess (sorry Mylow, if this is the truth...).
AA
just to muddy things even more for all.
Remember when Mylow said he tried two stator magnets and it did not work? that could be a sign that he was indeed telling the thruth and also reenforcing that the motor indeed worked with one stator!
I still dont believe in anything from Mylow anymore. That is very confusing!
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on April 24, 2009, 11:58:55 AM
just to muddy things even more for all.
Remember when Mylow said he tried two stator magnets and it did not work? that could be a sign that he was indeed telling the thruth and also reenforcing that the motor indeed worked with one stator!
I still dont believe in anything from Mylow anymore. That is very confusing!
Fausto.
Well two stators might have disturbed eachother with the possible skin deep pulsing throught the plate. Two pulses out of tune can cancel each other. That might explain it.
Quote from: wattsup on April 24, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
The rotor hit the stator because the stator and its bridge was not placed dead center to the wheel shaft. Hence any variation in the rotor placements would have been accentuated and thus hit the stator. Just look at the video and see how off center the stator bridge was.
@AnandAadhar
Yep. That's exactly what I have been testing these days. Stator with neos or alnicos on lengths of transformer laminate blocks. You can actually almost cancel a polarity or weaken it to the point of not affecting the rotors. lol.
Untrue. Mylow used a marker to mark on top of the stator assembly a safe distance between rotor and stator. It collided only after spinning freely for a minute or so..The gap between stator and rotors obviously narrowed as time progressed. These nonsensical explanations, rubber bands, remote electromagnetic devices, off center stator holders etc only lend more validity to Mylow's claim.
And the saga continues.
Everyone put your boots on
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/621
Quote from: Digjam on April 24, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
And the saga continues.
Everyone put your boots on
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/621
I've had my boots on since the beginning. Even though, I try and avoid stepping in the deep & smelly stuff.
::)
Quote from: poynt99 on April 24, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
A few small batteries hidden inside the Solid State Relay. Mike never had his relay connected properly to work as he claimed it did.
.99
My power source was outside of all video frames seen.
Joe
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 24, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
Hans, considering the suggestion of Bearden that an all magnet motor might work on diamagnetic switching, might it be so that Mylow without knowing it constructed a skin deep magnetic switch with the way he attached his magnets to the aluminum plate? The stator magnet as the big one and the rotor magnet as the small one might deliver a magnetic switch through the aluminum that keeps the pulsing of the machine going... a surprise we might have overlooked and therefore were unable to replicate like with e.g. Tinselkoala having the wrong aluminum (too thick), Sterling putting his rotor magnets on plastic and Cleanzer putting the stator magnet too high to switch skindeep. Another glue, or conductive strips under the rotor magnets leading to just below the stator magnet might do the trick. Mylow can thus be excused for being such a paranoid MIB etc nutcase this way. Attention in the style of our sceptic scrutiny - and of me calling him a possible sociopath - is not always as nice he must agree with I guess (sorry Mylow, if this is the truth...).
AA
I know I am going to get flamed for this but I will say it anyway.
Bearden worked with Howard Jonson for years. He is, I believe, the only one who has publicly stated to have seen Jonhnson's motor running before it was "stolen". Of all the people in the world he had the best start on this technology.
Howard never got a motor going in spite of a monstrous budget and a lot of help. If Bearden knew how to build such a motor, in fact even if he firmly believed that it can be done because he had seen it work, he would not be fucking around with batteries and electromagnets. No-one would.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
If Bearden knew how to build such a motor, in fact even if he firmly believed that it can be done because he had seen it work, he would not be fucking around with batteries and electromagnets. No-one would.
Hans von Lieven
No flames intended, but if you listen to what Bedini said, he stated that he believed that this worked, but could not produce enough torque to turn a generator, thus it wasn't a viable solution in terms of generating energy, but could produce enough to turn itself. Therefore he went on to the electromagnetic setups which could produce useful amounts of excess energy for a practical purpose.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
I know I am going to get flamed for this but I will say it anyway.
Bearden worked with Howard Jonson for years. He is, I believe, the only one who has publicly stated to have seen Jonhnson's motor running before it was "stolen". Of all the people in the world he had the best start on this technology.
Howard never got a motor going in spite of a monstrous budget and a lot of help. If Bearden knew how to build such a motor, in fact even if he firmly believed that it can be done because he had seen it work, he would not be fucking around with batteries and electromagnets. No-one would.
Hans von Lieven
Bravo well said
Hans,
What's monstrous budget in your books? Probably some ten-twenty billion dollars, partially matching the CERN hadron collider budget maybe (let's not forget to mention that the CERN budget in question is nothing but a sheer waste of public money)? Did Johnson really have that much of a budget?
Quote from: nyctuber on April 24, 2009, 10:22:11 AM
If that's the case, and Mylow clearly states many times, that the stator has strong attraction to the rotors, why are you attempting a reproduction? Assume for a minute it was only in repel mode, Can someone reproduce the stator in 'repel' mode crashing into the rotors with no visible pushing of the taped down stator bar, from a distance/ camera angle which would have made it impossible?
The stator wants to jump over and stick to the rotors - of course it does.
You are confusing the two magnetic vectors ..
Mylow always turns his wheel in the direction where - as the rotor segments approach the stator they are pushed back. This is repel mode.
If you turn the wheel the other way the approaching rotor segments will be pulled in by the stator. This is attraction mode..
The closer you put the stator to the passing rotors - the stronger the wall of repel will be for the approaching rotor segments.
The closer you put the stator the more it wants to jump over and stick to one of the rotors. This is why they crashed ..
As soon as the approaching rotor segment pushes it's way through the repulsion wall of the stator -- N to N
the passing rotor segment gets kicked through the stators field and the wheel speeds up.
When the rotor segment finishes it's transaction with the stator and starts leaving the stators fields - it gets pulled back towards the stator loosing some of it's gained momentum. The closer the stator is to the rotors the more it will get pulled back.
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 24, 2009, 04:52:21 PM
The stator wants to jump over and stick to the rotors - of course it does.
You are confusing the two magnetic vectors ..
Mylow always turns his wheel in the direction where - as the rotor segments approach the stator they are pushed back. This is repel mode.
If you turn the wheel the other way the approaching rotor segments will be pulled in by the stator. This is attraction mode..
The closer you put the stator to the passing rotors - the stronger the wall of repel will be for the approaching rotor segments.
The closer you put the stator the more it wants to jump over and stick to one of the rotors. This is why they crashed ..
As soon as the approaching rotor segment pushes it's way through the repulsion wall of the stator -- N to N
the passing rotor segment gets kicked through the stators field and the wheel speeds up.
When the rotor segment finishes it's transaction with the stator and starts leaving the stators fields - it gets pulled back towards the stator loosing some of it's gained momentum. The closer the stator is to the rotors the more it will get pulled back.
Queue
I'll take your word for it since I haven't done a replication myself. At least you confirmed what I was trying to say about the stator not being a purely repulsive force. How does the attractive force of the stator behave at the speed shown in Mylow's video? You'd have to agree that the stator hitting the rotors does prove the stator / rotors are not dead. This would seem to dispel the idea that he is simply turning the disk by hand and what we are seeing is a flywheel running down. Agreed?
Quote from: nyctuber on April 24, 2009, 10:12:42 AM
Yeah I'm saying theres no way Mylow did that. The glass table video is in the middle of the room, no way he's that sophisticated to pull something like that off.
Let me see if I understand this. There is no way Mylow is sophisticated enough to fake this but yet somehow, he IS sophisticated enough to pull off making the only known working magnetic motor in the history of mankind? Is this what you are saying?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 05:18:16 PM
Let me see if I understand this. There is no way Mylow is sophisticated enough to fake this but yet somehow, he IS sophisticated enough to pull off making the only known working magnetic motor in the history of mankind? Is this what you are saying?
Bill
Mylow's seemingly unsophisticated approach just might be the reason he is able make the motor work.
None of the means of faking it presented hold any water in my opinion.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 24, 2009, 05:18:16 PM
Let me see if I understand this. There is no way Mylow is sophisticated enough to fake this but yet somehow, he IS sophisticated enough to pull off making the only known working magnetic motor in the history of mankind? Is this what you are saying?
Bill
Making of such motor requires no sophistication, only patience, persistence and some luck.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 24, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
Hans,
What's monstrous budget in your books? Probably some ten-twenty billion dollars, partially matching the CERN hadron collider budget maybe (let's not forget to mention that the CERN budget in question is nothing but a sheer waste of public money)? Did Johnson really have that much of a budget?
Howard Johnson did very well selling licenses. He was buying magnets from China in $50,000.- lots Even a look at the estate where he had his laboratory and where he lived will tell you he was not slumming it.There was no shortage of funds for what he was doing. You don't need twenty billion dollars for fucking around with magnets.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 05:58:15 PM
Howard Johnson did very well selling licenses. He was buying magnets from China in $50,000.- lots Even a look at the estate where he had his laboratory and where he lived will tell you he was not slumming it.There was no shortage of funds for what he was doing. You don't need twenty billion dollars for fucking around with magnets.
Hans von Lieven
I don't know about magnets, let alone research that would save humanity but the nonsense the likes of CERN deal with needs even less for the crap they are doing. Not to say that they should be held responsible for massive misappropriation of public funds.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 24, 2009, 05:45:54 PM
Making of such motor requires no sophistication, only patience, persistence and some luck.
The strange thing is that he reported multiple running systems with TOTALY different magnet styles. Remember the radio shack bar magnet version that ran too fast? That would be like hitting the loto twice or maybe more times in a row. IMO a little more than "some" luck:)
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 24, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
The strange thing is that he reported multiple running systems with TOTALY different magnet styles. Remember the radio shack bar magnet version that ran too fast? That would be like hitting the loto twice or maybe more times in a row. IMO a little more than "some" luck:)
Joe
Multiple systems were shown, yes. But only the first one showed continuous rotation.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 24, 2009, 06:10:43 PM
I don't know about magnets, let alone research that would save humanity but the nonsense the likes of CERN deal with needs even less for the crap they are doing. Not to say that they should be held responsible for massive misappropriation of public funds.
I think you are right on this one Omnibus.
As far as I can tell, everything they are going to find out with that thing they could have learned on a billiard table.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: fleubis on April 24, 2009, 07:21:48 PM
Multiple systems were shown, yes. But only the first one showed continuous rotation.
Yes, but the second one (radio shack magnet version) was reported to run too. Not only run, but also spin too fast which caused the whole rotor to wobble enough that he had to stop it.
If we are going to take his video's as proof, we have to take his word too right? So, they either both ran or both did not.
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on April 24, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
Yes, but the second one (radio shack magnet version) was reported to run too. Not only run, but also spin too fast which caused the whole rotor to wobble enough that he had to stop it.
If we are going to take his video's as proof, we have to take his word too right? So, they either both ran or both did not.
Joe
Mylow didn't say it ran continuously. If the magnet's flew off then clearly it didn't run continuously. One partial rotation of powerful magnets could easily dislodge those super-glued magnets. We don't know about this and all these extrapolations aren't very productive. We are probably better served by studying the videos we have and what Mylow actually said.
I know everyone would rather see a working replication .. heres my truth ..
In the last movie i showed the transaction 8 rotor .. which seemed to work really well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXemB57F38
Now i have continued that disk all the way around ..
Same symmetry as on Mylows last working disk video where he uses 7*7 + 1*6
On this disk i have 7*8 rotors + 1 *7rotors
No it doesn't work - the video is uploading to Youtube .. .
Now i will be knocking off on from each 8 and one from the seven set and trying again.
Once i have completed that change the disk will be the same as Mylows last video ..
i have the same stator he was using in that last video.. so with my disks symmetry also the same .. well
one can hope..
So far no Mylow effect ..
Quote from: fleubis on April 24, 2009, 08:28:58 PM
Mylow didn't say it ran continuously. If the magnet's flew off then clearly it didn't run continuously. One partial rotation of powerful magnets could easily dislodge those super-glued magnets. We don't know about this and all these extrapolations aren't very productive. We are probably better served by studying the videos we have and what Mylow actually said.
Extrapolations?? Not here.
This is what Mylow actually said about his radio shack bar magnet rotor, message 490 from mylow_magma group:
"he said that they do turn full rotation and continue spinning,
but he stops it because as it goes faster it begins to wobble too much. He said
the bar magnets go all the way around on that one, with no sets with gaps
between the sets."
Watching the last video Mylow made, he says he tried many combinations, but Queue's and Clanzer's were not tried. He never used the rotors both Queue and Clanzer have, and although he used the stator Queue uses, he did it with his old rotors.
According to the video, he got it to work with what are now easily obtainable magnets but which no one has tried. The large black squareback horrseshoe Sterling sent (forget the part number) and regular Radio Shack bar magnets. So, perhaps someone should try this.
If someone tries that and it doesn't work, it's obviously a fraud.
EDIT: Forget all that, I changed my mind. Mylow is a con man, I'm done with this energy drain. Good luck!
Quote from: fleubis on April 24, 2009, 08:28:58 PM
Mylow didn't say it ran continuously. If the magnet's flew off then clearly it didn't run continuously. One partial rotation of powerful magnets could easily dislodge those super-glued magnets. We don't know about this and all these extrapolations aren't very productive. We are probably better served by studying the videos we have and what Mylow actually said.
He said it ran continuously, and that he had to stop it after an hour or so because he got tired from having to hold the base and stator bar in position because it was so 'strong.' Yeah, whatever. Wake me when it's over.
Config 7 * 8 rotors + 1 * 7 rotors ..Spacing is 4 mill ..
Same stator as Mylow
RPM spin down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwHVXbpz4cY
Same config top view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBwYjaCgJJo
Mylow - i know you're probably watching ..
send me the rotor spacing that works for M646 and the HS811n stator and i will replicate
your working motor .. you can PM me here - Youtube - or through Sterling.
Tomorrow i will knock off a rotor from each segment array making the config same as the MYlow last working vid.
Cheers
Queue
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/lee_smolin_on_science_and_democracy.html
Quote from: queue on April 24, 2009, 10:33:04 PM
Config 7 * 8 rotors + 1 * 7 rotors ..Spacing is 4 mill ..
Same stator as Mylow
RPM spin down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwHVXbpz4cY
...Cheers
Queue
Great replication, Queue.
Ahhh yes, the one he couldn't get working after he disassembled it?
Mylows first video clearly shows 8 groups of 6 for all but one group.
The 9th group has an additional rotor magnet.
The spacing between groups of 6 have a gap between each 3.
Isn't that how Mylow's first 'runner' was setup?
You did manage to achieve a long running down-spin with your configuration, anyway.
Can't wait to see your updated version.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 24, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
I know I am going to get flamed for this but I will say it anyway.
Bearden worked with Howard Jonson for years. He is, I believe, the only one who has publicly stated to have seen Jonhnson's motor running before it was "stolen". Of all the people in the world he had the best start on this technology.
Howard never got a motor going in spite of a monstrous budget and a lot of help. If Bearden knew how to build such a motor, in fact even if he firmly believed that it can be done because he had seen it work, he would not be fucking around with batteries and electromagnets. No-one would.
Hans von Lieven
Hans, Bearden in his book "Energy from the Vacuum" says that he tested Johnson's motor for two whole hours with runs of 15 minutes max. So Bearden himself claims that it existed for real. Would Johnson have deceived Bearden? It never ran more than 15 minutes by his witnessing, and afterwards it was "stolen". Good bearings and a heavy rotor easily give an illusion of the selfrunning status. Fifteen minutes is long but has been done before by the Japan department. May we call Bearden naive here?
Quote page 360
"Technically, Johnson's apparatus asymmetrically and suddenly regauges its exchange forces in such a manner as to momentarily overpower the back mmf region of the engine's rotation, thus producing a net multivalued potential and a net accelerating force around the overall rotation loop. However, correlated distant effects in magnetic materials are known. If distant compensation does occur, then the closed-loop capability might conceivably be defeated, if the total compensation is sufficient to provide an overall condition. Hence the research probably demands attention to maintaining both local asymmetry and distant asymmetry. If the distant correlation effects occur, only in that manner can an overall nonconservative field represented by be maintained around a completely closed magnetic loop. This may be the problem with which Johnson appears to have been struggling for so long. He did solve the problem once, and produced a selfrotating permanent magnet motor that the present author personally tested over a period of about 2 hours. During a two-hour test period, the motor apparatus was allowed to self-rotate for up to 15 minutes at a time. Shortly after it became known that Johnson had successfully produced such a prototype, his laboratory was mysteriously broken into."
Link to the free downloadable book at sribd.com (© attribution, non-commercial):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13801534/Bearden-Energy-From-the-Vacuum-Concepts-and-Principles-2002-org
AA
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/633
Config : 7 x 7 + 1 x 6 rotors : Stator is same as in Mylows HS811N
This is the same config as he showed us in his last video.
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MYLOW ; i'm asking you again ..
you have these exact same magnets as me ..
send me the detail spec on a working config and i will replicate a working motor ..
Contact me through You tube - Sterling or here in this forum.
You made several comments on my videos saying you wanted someone to replicate your rig .. so here i am .. i am ready.
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i will try this config out now and see if it works ..
@ everyone send your positive energies this way ..
Lets see if this thing will run.
Queue
Quote from: dragon on April 25, 2009, 07:52:00 AM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/633
sterling D. Allan wrote:
QuoteYou have to ask yourself: Why would they bother to plant a decoy if there was nothing to magnet motors?
sterling's so-called logic continues to amaze me.
sterling D. Allan wrote:
QuoteFurthermore, there is too much that is genuine about Mylow. I just can't believe that he is some kind of knowing disinformation agent.
Genuine? Perhaps sterling meant "polite." sterling would not want to meet a lot of leading academic scientists because they are *blunt* and don't beat around the bush. They place truth over dancing around sensitive undeveloped human emotions.
PL
Someone in the mylow yahoo groups forum made the following post -->
QuoteIt's gotten to the point where everyone will be considered a "liar until proven
truthful". Credibility will have to be earned through openness of observation
and physical evaluation.
Video proof is no long "proof". Patents can't be relied upon as factual. A
builders word can't be trusted as to whether they are forthcoming with facts,
truths, or fakes. Just taking someone's word just doesn't seem to cut it any
more.
Jack Nicholson as "The Joker" said it best. "Who ya gonna trust? Me, or the
Bat Man. I'm giving away FREE money."
So if one of you manages to actually build a working "free energy" motor, just
how do you think given all that's going on that anyone is going to believe you
did? Punt!!
It's a shame! People like mylow are the ones who've succeeded in obtaining the results mentioned in the above quote. For years I've begged everyone to not give such people attention ***until they've shown signs of sincerity***. I'll repeat yet one more time: Mylow never showed signs of sincerity. A media guy who lives in mylow's city kept asking mylow countless times to allow his crew to video his machine. Mylow never answered. Mylow would not allow any notable person to see it. Etc. etc. etc.
Quote from: queue on April 25, 2009, 10:31:30 AM
Config : 7 x 7 + 1 x 6 rotors : Stator is same as in Mylows HS811N
This is the same config as he showed us in his last video.
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MYLOW ; i'm asking you again ..
you have these exact same magnets as me ..
send me the detail spec on a working config and i will replicate a working motor ..
Contact me through You tube - Sterling or here in this forum.
You made several comments on my videos saying you wanted someone to replicate your rig .. so here i am .. i am ready.
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i will try this config out now and see if it works ..
@ everyone send your positive energies this way ..
Lets see if this thing will run.
Queue
Que,
I am afraid he will not answer you because
A. You have the exact material to replicate
B. If he tells you what should work and it does not, the whole MYLOW motor/ Sterling selling plans etc... comes to a complete halt.
As the motor effect will be proven to be unable to be replicated - assuming it ever really worked in the first place.
He is avoiding your question the same way he avoided 3rd party examination of a running motor.
Mmmmmmmmmm, only earthlings ever to witness a working all magnetic motor are:
A Chicago truck driver and his wife.
An un named cat and bird
A lawyer and an NSA agent.
I smell a T.V. sitcom here !
The clip Queue used from the Mylow vid really does show a clear shifting of light on the table and wall every few seconds where it loops. Can't say I saw that in any other Mylow vid, but this one was longer and the flywheel effect wouldn't have cut it I guess. The wheel is also jerky where it loops. Good effort though Queue, much appreciated. The only remaining variable would be the rotors, which Mylow (surprise!) never tried.
Config 7x7 + 1x6 .. spacing 4 milimeter .. HS811n stator mag - M646 rotor mags
This config is the same as Mylows last vid .. See for yourself how it works ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M08uOws8Ar4
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 25, 2009, 05:06:37 PM
Config 7x7 + 1x6 .. spacing 4 milimeter .. HS811n stator mag - M646 rotor mags
This config is the same as Mylows last vid .. See for yourself how it works ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M08uOws8Ar4
Cheers
Queue
I admire your dedication to trying to replicate myLow's motor. Unless he comes forward to prove he's not hiding a motor somewhere, I'm not prepared to go on a wild goose chase.
On the other hand, take a look at some real stuff from Tommy Reed. It looks real and have all the current & voltage measurements demoed. Truly awesome! Maybe replicators should get interested in this too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJf5qWqpJIA&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 25, 2009, 06:27:38 PM
I admire your dedication to trying to replicate myLow's motor. Unless he comes forward to prove he's not hiding a motor somewhere, I'm not prepared to go on a wild goose chase.
On the other hand, take a look at some real stuff from Tommy Reed. It looks real and have all the current & voltage measurements demoed. Truly awesome! Maybe replicators should get interested in this too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJf5qWqpJIA&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
This doesn't pass the smoke test because of the batteries. It reeks of Bedini.
Quote from: fleubis on April 25, 2009, 06:35:38 PM
This doesn't pass the smoke test because of the batteries. It reeks of Bedini.
You're not paying enough attention. You need to understand better. IMO.
cheers
chrisC
@Queue
I have not seen your videos because I am getting this weird error in YouTube videos only. All other sites work with Flash Player except YouTube. Shit. Have been trying to figure it out since yesterday morning.
Keep you chin up man. These things can take time.
Quote from: wattsup on April 25, 2009, 07:27:21 PM
@Queue
I have not seen your videos because I am getting this weird error in YouTube videos only. All other sites work with Flash Player except YouTube. Shit. Have been trying to figure it out since yesterday morning.
Keep you chin up man. These things can take time.
Try the windows media player, works fine with you-tube
Hans
Quote from: chrisC on April 25, 2009, 06:27:38 PM
On the other hand, take a look at some real stuff from Tommy Reed. It looks real and have all the current & voltage measurements demoed. Truly awesome! Maybe replicators should get interested in this too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJf5qWqpJIA&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
Gawd, I got sea sick after a couple (one?) minute... tell me what happens next....
Why do people post this crap? It destroys any interest in the experiment.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on April 25, 2009, 09:19:30 PM
Gawd, I got sea sick after a couple (one?) minute... tell me what happens next....
Why do people post this crap? It destroys any interest in the experiment.
Ron
I'm confused. You don't understand the technology? I know, it's more difficult than magnets.
cheers
chrisC
Whether the Tommy Reed stuff works or not , this isn't the thread for it.
Quote from: chrisC on April 25, 2009, 06:27:38 PM
I admire your dedication to trying to replicate myLow's motor. Unless he comes forward to prove he's not hiding a motor somewhere, I'm not prepared to go on a wild goose chase.
On the other hand, take a look at some real stuff from Tommy Reed. It looks real and have all the current & voltage measurements demoed. Truly awesome! Maybe replicators should get interested in this too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJf5qWqpJIA&feature=channel_page
cheers
chrisC
He put his phone number up for questions (772) 812-2661
Quote from: nyctuber on April 26, 2009, 12:12:15 AM
He put his phone number up for questions (772) 812-2661
Yes he did indeed. Not trying to hijack this thread but Tommy's stuff is truly open and it's working. Imagine having a bank of batteries and a magic back emf converter producing much more power output than input powering a DC moor turning a 10KW generator! Imagine having a system like this at home and getting rid of your utility company! Now, isn't that exciting.
cheers
chrisC
Chris:
It beats a non-working magnet motor that's for sure. Hey, maybe Sterling can sell plans for these too?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 26, 2009, 12:38:27 AM
Chris:
It beats a non-working magnet motor that's for sure. Hey, maybe Sterling can sell plans for these too?
Bill
Haha! Tommy does one better. He's giving everything away for free! Even this magic back emf converter which works all the magic. Seriously, people should follow this awesome stuff. IMHO.
There is no MIB, no cat or parrot. Just real electronics.
cheers
chrisC
An open source guy giving stuff away for free???? Now there is a concept. (Good for him, that is what it is all about)
Maybe we can all chip in and get him a cat and a bird just so we will feel more at home.
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on April 26, 2009, 12:34:20 AM
Yes he did indeed. Not trying to hijack this thread but Tommy's stuff is truly open and it's working. Imagine having a bank of batteries and a magic back emf converter producing much more power output than input powering a DC moor turning a 10KW generator! Imagine having a system like this at home and getting rid of your utility company! Now, isn't that exciting.
cheers
chrisC
Nice find thanks for posting it. I don't know much about building that stuff but I suppose I could learn
Quote from: nyctuber on April 26, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
Nice find thanks for posting it. I don't know much about building that stuff but I suppose I could learn
Actually it's not that difficult. We'll I'm a EE myself and it's making a lot of sense although there needs to be verification on the measurement of the amperage. But looking at the details of how he was able to power devices like 2HP compressors, table saw, drills (all together) running off the generator is REAL! Anyway, follow those many videos and I don't want others to miss Mylow's thread. I've myself given up on MyLow unless he proved otherwise.
Even if MyLow's motor turns, he's never going to power your house. I'll rather follow Tom's thread.
I'm also thrilled my hometown team. the San Jose Sharks beat Anaheim Ducks in OT!
cheers
chrisC
@queue
Well I managed to get YouTube working by putting a special button on my Firefox Bookmark Toolbar that I have to click each time I get the error message. At least I can see videos while I figure out what the hell happened.
OK, I saw your last three videos.
This is the most difficult thing for anyone to do a disclosure and rely on others to replicate it to show it is real. It is very difficult to gauge from our own tests especially if we do not get the immediate results warranted. Just imagine if you came out with a device disclosure and no one could replicate it. Of course people will say it is fake, but you would know better.
So let's all dispense with such talk and get down to brass tax. I have some questions for you and maybe with your answers, we can get some closer pinning down of what is or is not happening on your build.
1) I noticed on your video "New disk part 4 7x7 + 1x6Rotor" that the stator is placed much higher then Mylows. Mylows is very close to the turning disk.
2) I am wondering about your center base compared to Mylows. Not shown in Mylow dimensions, the base center shaft that has the bearing says 2" but his lowest base piece is wider, say about 3". Now if you have a 17.5" wheel that is weighted with rotors, standing on a 3" center base, and the wheel has some certain magnetic exertions from the stator/rotor play, would the wheel have a tendency to push up and down slightly. What I am saying is if Mylows base was slimmer then yours, he would have more play in the wheel and be exposed to more wobbling effect then your wheel. If the wheel can wobble slightly, maybe this is giving an effect to keep the stator/rotor out of the sticky. Like the sticky comes, the wheel tilts a bit, when the wheel tilts back to where is was, this helps break the sticky. Just something to pay attention too.
3) Before you put the stator on the bridge to do your tests, have you just taken the stator in your hands to manual work it over the rotors to see if there were other angles that could work better. Have you used other magnets types and/or magnet/steel configurations as a stator.
4) Are there any metallic objects near your wheel that could cause the rotor fields all around the circle to get attracted and hence cause additional drag. There should be no metal near that wheel.
5) I saw your wind down video "New disk part 3" with the RPM meter showing how long it takes to slow down. If I remember correctly, Mylows longest shown run time was about 3 minutes with his stator placed up close to the rotors. Is this video doing the same since we cannot see the stator placement? If not, would you say by placing the stator closer to the rotors, the wind down time would be much shorter then what we see on your video. This is a very important question.
6) Is it possible for you to try and find some steel or iron bar lengths that are just long enough to go from one segment last rotor to the next segment first rotor so it can stick to both from the back ends or tops. This could modify and/or weaken the mutual sticky points enough to enable you to bring the stator closer with less sticky effect. Maybe just try with 3 or 4 segments just to see how it turns.
7) Do you have any type of way to add more weight to the wheel in a symmetric fashion, like a center placed steel wheel, that would maybe make up for any discrepancies between the weight of your wheel and Mylows.
8) Since you're near my place, do you need any other magnet types and/or want me to come over one day and we can look at it together.
Thanks for your time and also for your great replication.
Quote from: wattsup on April 26, 2009, 11:10:23 AM
@queue
Well I managed to get YouTube working by putting a special button on my Firefox Bookmark Toolbar that I have to click each time I get the error message. At least I can see videos while I figure out what the hell happened.
OK, I saw your last three videos.
This is the most difficult thing for anyone to do a disclosure and rely on others to replicate it to show it is real. It is very difficult to gauge from our own tests especially if we do not get the immediate results warranted. Just imagine if you came out with a device disclosure and no one could replicate it. Of course people will say it is fake, but you would know better.
So let's all dispense with such talk and get down to brass tax. I have some questions for you and maybe with your answers, we can get some closer pinning down of what is or is not happening on your build.
1) I noticed on your video "New disk part 4 7x7 + 1x6Rotor" that the stator is placed much higher then Mylows. Mylows is very close to the turning disk.
i tried the stator in all and many different positions - usually i end filming what ever seemed to work best or is most pertinent ..
Quote
2) I am wondering about your center base compared to Mylows. Not shown in Mylow dimensions, the base center shaft that has the bearing says 2" but his lowest base piece is wider, say about 3". Now if you have a 17.5" wheel that is weighted with rotors, standing on a 3" center base, and the wheel has some certain magnetic exertions from the stator/rotor play, would the wheel have a tendency to push up and down slightly. What I am saying is if Mylows base was slimmer then yours, he would have more play in the wheel and be exposed to more wobbling effect then your wheel. If the wheel can wobble slightly, maybe this is giving an effect to keep the stator/rotor out of the sticky. Like the sticky comes, the wheel tilts a bit, when the wheel tilts back to where is was, this helps break the sticky. Just something to pay attention too.
My bearing shaft is 2 3/4 inch .. there is very little wobble in my disk .. My rotor plate is a bit heavier than his as my ALI is 1/4 inch thick
his is 3/16
Quote
3) Before you put the stator on the bridge to do your tests, have you just taken the stator in your hands to manual work it over the rotors to see if there were other angles that could work better. Have you used other magnets types and/or magnet/steel configurations as a stator.
i ve tried holding the stator in my hand to see where it feels like it wants or not to be .. usually i go with what seems to work best.
Quote
4) Are there any metallic objects near your wheel that could cause the rotor fields all around the circle to get attracted and hence cause additional drag. There should be no metal near that wheel.
The field from the rotor circle actually extends quite far - i can see that with the compass and making a tour - but to answer your question NO there is no metal object proximate that might be causing interference with the disk..
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5) I saw your wind down video "New disk part 3" with the RPM meter showing how long it takes to slow down. If I remember correctly, Mylows longest shown run time was about 3 minutes with his stator placed up close to the rotors. Is this video doing the same since we cannot see the stator placement? If not, would you say by placing the stator closer to the rotors, the wind down time would be much shorter then what we see on your video. This is a very important question.
i can see for sure that my disk has much lower friction to deal with than Mylows does. It turns easier and longer then his.
I'm not really interested in timing ecarts related to spin down times as what i'm looking for is a state where we can see acceleration. For sure if we see something that looks like that then i agree it would be important to put a metric on the spindown stats..
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6) Is it possible for you to try and find some steel or iron bar lengths that are just long enough to go from one segment last rotor to the next segment first rotor so it can stick to both from the back ends or tops. This could modify and/or weaken the mutual sticky points enough to enable you to bring the stator closer with less sticky effect. Maybe just try with 3 or 4 segments just to see how it turns.
Some ferrite may or may not modify the field walls between the rotors but i am trying to not loose sight of my objective which is to replicate his working disk. Experimenting outside Mylow's design might be useful .. but i am trying to stay on track and not get distracted.
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7) Do you have any type of way to add more weight to the wheel in a symmetric fashion, like a center placed steel wheel, that would maybe make up for any discrepancies between the weight of your wheel and Mylows.
My disk is heavier than Mylows :-)
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8) Since you're near my place, do you need any other magnet types and/or want me to come over one day and we can look at it together.
Thanks for your time and also for your great replication.
If i get something that works and need a witness we could set up a meeting.
i don't have a lab or anything like that and my projects tend to cut into our living space which my wife is tolerant of but i know it bugs her. Someday i may build myself a little lab in the backyard - for now i make do working in my house.
Cheers
Q
@queue
Thanks for your responses.
Did you see this on @sterling's web site.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/621
and this one where Sterling went to Chicago.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/26/9501531_Mylow_being_corralled_by_BlackOps/
I'm coming back from Chicago
story is now live:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/26/9501531_Mylow_being_corralled_by_BlackOps/
also at http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Salt-Lake-City-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2009m4d26-Mylow-Being-Corralledby-BlackOps-for-his-Magnet-Motor
I talked about this on my pre-recorded show at This Week in Free Energy (TWIFE.com) which airs out of Chicago at 8:55 pm tonight (in less than an hour)
I will also probably talk about this tomorrow night on my FreeEnergyNow.net radio show out of Phoenix AZ from 9 - 10 pm Pacific.
Sterling
====================
The Mylow Saga
(Brief background for those not familiar)
Since March 18, 2009, I have had a front seat view of the Mylow Magnet Motor project, being one of two people that Mylow will call, and running the official project website at PESWiki through the shortcut: http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Mylow appears to have replicated Howard Johnson's all-magnet motor design from three decades ago -- a first that we know of; and a definite violation of known laws of physics; and a solution to the world's energy problems; and a way to eliminate our individual reliance on a central authority for power and a continuation of our way of life.
Though skepticism has abounded, I've remained confident that Mylow has what he says he has, and that the events he's been describing as happening to him, are indeed happening.
At first, Mylow was very open, sharing all his findings by posting videos at YouTube -- two or three a day on average. But then on Apr. 2,3 he said he received a visit from a guy from NSA, who scared him more than he's ever been scared in his life, threatening him with consequences if he didn't stop posting videos and talking about this stuff to other people.
He defied them, posting one more video that night, but he held back from posting the video he had shot showing the thing running on his glass table, from all angles.
A few days later, he started posting under a new username (projectmagma) at YouTube, this time playing around with a new configuration using bar magnets. I guess he thought he wouldn't get in trouble because he didn't show those motors working. It turns out, though, that he did get it working, and it has even more power and stability than the earlier design. The last video he posted was on the 15th, just prior to another visit from some MIB people to his place of work.
Prior to that happening, he was going to put the new magnets on there and then have some witnesses come in and document it working. I was hoping to have that in time for my presentation at a conference on Geothermal Energy in Estonia two days later. I went ahead and mentioned the technology anyway.
Mylow's Story is Consistent with My World View
While many people have a hard time believing any of this (a working magnet motor, MIB trying to stop it from coming to public knowledge), I don't, because for years before I entered the world of free energy technology, I was involved in studying and exposing global conspiracies to overthrow freedom and establish a world dictatorship. The implementation of the extreme security measures in the U.S. is all part of removing our freedoms and moving us toward that kind of Orwellian world.
I do not view those in power in the U.S. government to be working in our best interest, though there are certainly exceptions to the rule. And the NSA would be near the bottom in the list of those who have freedom dear to their heart. While they put forth an image of working for the security of the country, they are more like foxes guarding the henhouse.
The BlackOps were behind Hitler, Stalin, 911, the Murrah Federal Building bombing (false flag operations), etc. They do ritualistic human sacrificing. They do mind control and ritualistic abuse. They are about as evil as this planet is able to dish out.
They might think what they are doing is for the best, but their methods of coercion and murder and manipulation are not of God; and the society they wish to birth -- the New World Order -- is the Satanic Beast (666) prophesied in the Bible.
While I'm not a Bible thumper, I do see a lot of truth to some of the end time prophesies that are consistent with prophecies from many other religious and spiritual paths. An era of global dominion of evil prior to the emergence of an enlightened society, is the reality we are presently experiencing. Free energy will be part of the new enlightenment both for its sustainability as well as for its empowerment. With it, we won't be dependent any longer on the powers that be, but will be able to assert our own individualism and goodness -- aspiring to the highest that is within, rather than groveling to the baser elements of our nature.
My Trip to Chicago
Nearly from the beginning of this saga, I've felt that at some point I would be able to go to Chicago and see for myself what Mylow has. Friday afternoon, it seemed to me that the time was now right. Mylow had mentioned having built more working motors, and my schedule was open. So without notifying anyone except those who had to know, I jumped on a plane and headed to Chicago via JFK (flight cost considerations).
I'm sitting in JFK now, on my way back. Still processing all that Mylow described.
Two Working Motors, One Self-Running
Below is an email I received yesterday from Mylow, a few minutes before I was at his apartment, ringing his bell.
He didn't know I was coming. I didn't want to tip "them" off, who have been watching and monitoring him.
In his email to me, I was most curious by the "they" references that indicated that someone was working with him, providing him with materials, and in control over what he is presently doing, etc. Who were "they"? and what kind of relationship does he have with him? I had thought he was working with us to open source this.
I had left a brochure in his mail slot, with my photo on it, and a note that I was in town, and requested that he call me. I then went to grab some lunch, which was when I saw this email from him. (For context, read that message now.)
I sent him an email asking him to check his mail slot; I also told him that "*** is a great restaurant, and a great place to show off cake" (or something like that, using his code language), in case he actually was home but was afraid to let me in; and perhaps could bring one of his motors over to the restaurant to show it to me there. I then stopped by again a couple of hours later and left a business card telling him I was going to try and find a hotel nearby. That took a couple of hours, with traffic and such, and I was nearly to the destination when he called. I immediately changed course back toward his apartment; and we talked on the phone for much of that time (it took nearly 45 minutes).
He said that he didn't have anything at his apartment, but that "they" had both of his working devices. Rather than meet as his apartment, we met at nearby restaurant.
Looking Over His Shoulder
When I sat down with him at the Restaurant, and for the entire time we were talking, every little while he would nervously glance right and behind me and turning his head to look out the windows and behind him. He was exhibiting a highly frightened demeanor. He said he's not been sleeping well, and that some astonishing (not his word, and not intended in a positive context here) things have been happening in the last few days.
They apparently have threatened him with his life if he doesn't comply with their wishes to do as they say, including: don't contact me or PMMTester, don't post running motor videos on YouTube, don't talk to the press, don't disclose what they tell him and show him.
From what I can gather, based on the approximate three hours I had with him, by phone and in person, there are two MIB factions at play here, and not necessarily working at cross purposes. One is the NSA who showed up at his apartment April 2,3. The other is part of the deep black ops who are the real powers that be, sequestering for themselves the best technologies available on the planet, controlling the governments of the earth through their control of the money supplies, and the primary force behind the UFO cover-ups that have been going on -- much of that technology being things that they have developed. They would be the ones running projects like Area 51. Off budget, and off radar of many politicians.
The NSA dude who showed up on Apr. 2,3 is a director of some kind ("head"), and probably answers to the deep black op element. For clarity, I'll refer to the latter as "BlackOps".
Both have used tactics of extreme intimidation and fear with him, not treating him with hardly any courtesy. When they went to his work, they told his boss/partner that Mylow was "in trouble."
You Wouldn't Believe What They Have!
Several times, Mylow said, "You would never believe the stuff they showed me." I told him that I would believe it, because I know they have a lot of advanced technologies that they are keeping from the people, using for their own nefarious ends.
He shares my sentiment that it is not right for the BlackOps to be sequestering the best technologies for themselves and keeping them from the civilians. He referred to communications satellites that are powered for years, but that this same technology is not available for the general public.
For some reason, the BlackOps have been very interested in what Mylow has accomplished, even though he is but one in a long string of magnet motors that they have witness and absconded similarly. Howard Johnson was likewise contacted by and controlled by the BlackOps. His patent drawings were purposely misleading, per their instructions.
They brought him into one of their facilities in Chicago, and placed in front of him some components for him to build one of his motors, using their parts that represented the finest machining and materials. The rotor was about 24 inches in diameter, and the channel magnets were about five inches tall. It took him about six hours to get it running. The whole time there were scientists taking pictures and notes on what he was doing and commenting to him about its operation and the science behind how these things work. He said that most of what one guy said went over his head.
Does That Look Familiar?
Once the thing was running, they kind of pushed him back, as they descended on the thing to observe and record. Then the lady (who had gone to his place of work last week) placed in front of him a copy of some sketches Howard Johnson had made in 1978, which have never been made public (because they confiscated it back then). She said, "Does that look familiar?" as she placed it on the table in front of the motor he had just gotten to work. It was nearly identical.
But even then, her demeanor was not one of camaraderie, but maintained the intimidation posture. They were basically bragging to him about all the inventors they've gotten to do their bidding -- kind of as a way to scare him: They couldn't resist, neither can you. They also told him that some of the "Inventor Prizes" and "We can help you patent your invention" programs are there as a magnet to find the technologies they want, and to be able to control them.
Mylow said that Howard Johnson used permeability plates to hold the magnets together, or the unit would tend to destruct.
For Mylow, this ability doesn't come as a matter of scientific analysis, but as a natural gift. Mylow made a comment to the effect that signaled to me that they even tried to scare him by saying that they would recognize his work if he tried to sneak it out somehow. I told him that was ridiculous, because there are certainly others who will be able to make this stuff work as well, who will be similarly (though not identically) gifted. Once the effect is characterized and optimized, then it can be engineered to whatever desired application.
Radio Shack Magnets, Self-Runner, Lots of Power
The motor that they are most interested in, though, is the one that uses the Radio Shack bar magnets (shown in his projectmagma YouTube videos). That is the one that he got to "self-start" (not requiring him to find the "sweet spot" before it begins spinning). He said that it uses magnets all the way around the rotor disc, with one spot left open. He said that this spot was where the wobble was introduced. He was able to overcome that wobble by introducing a second stator disc just above and slightly offset from the first one. The way he drew it on a napkin was as if the Radio Shack bar magnets were vertical, not horizontal as he showed in his earlier videos; and one of the two stator magnets was about 1/2-width offset from the other underneath it. Then it ran very smoothly. That's the one that stabilized at 300 rpm. The BlackOps were most interested in that one because of the force it produced.
If I understand correctly, the stator magnet is the banana-shaped magnet he pulled from a regular motor, then remagnetized so the N-S polarity went from one leg to the other. He got the magnetizer from AllMagnetics.com (they are loaning it to him).
One of the things Mylow was very afraid to talk about was that the BlackOps apparently have a plan to release this technology to the public this coming Summer, possibly as early as June, via an announcement from a University. "It will change everything." It will open an entirely new area of physics. I asked him how he thought they would benefit from that inasmuch as it would empower the people. He wasn't sure. As if remembering something they said, he said something about maybe getting out of the country.
I should mention, too, that he does not have my world view expressed above. To him, these guys are just some scary dudes with lots of power and smarts, and who don't mess around. When I asked him if he would portray them as being the "villain" in a world plot, at first, he said "no," but said that they have a lot of power and have big designs for the world, and that they are more powerful than the government. When I pointed out that the tactics they have been using with him of fear and coercion are not from the light, he seemed to nod, part way admitting the point, but somehow he seems blinded to just who he is dealing with. Even today, in follow-up correspondence we've been having back and forth by email, he acts like he has this heavy decision to make whether to work with them. They are the ones who have been talking about getting him set up in a lab. I'm urging him to have nothing to do with them; that they would not be using it for the betterment of humanity, but to increase their control. We can get him set up in a lab if that's what he wants.
A Decision to Make
At one point in our conversation, he did say something to the effect that he was willing to lay down his life for this if it came to that -- something he's already exhibited many times by continuing to correspond with me and PMMTester, even though he's been told not to; and by meeting with me and telling me all that he did last night. Even though he didn't tell all (e.g. the stuff that they showed him that they have), I'm sure he crossed the line a lot of times.
They said they would be visiting him again in a few days. It turns out that they will be meeting with him tonight. (See correspondence below.)
Mylow hasn't given me his new cell number (unlisted), but the BlackOps had it and used it almost as soon as he got it.
Mylow said that the Aluminum disc is crucial to the operation of the motor, and that the magnets need to be in contact with the disc -- the more complete the contact, the better.
Mylow doesn't think the theory that has been floated regarding the North and South poles switching has any merit, but that it is more of a magnetic wave effect.
At one point in our conversation, Mylow broached the idea of maybe going on Coast to Coast AM.
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Recent Emails from Mylow
Wobbling Fixed
From: [Mylow]
To: <sterlingda>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: hjm
=======EDIT BY STERLING========
The remagnetizer you sent me works great. I used this to remagnetize the mystery magnets that look like Howards Johnson's banana-shaped magnets.This motor works great, and it's not showing any demagnetization at all. It works well with the Radio Shack bar magnet. The permeability plate is attached to the bottom of the rotor magnets, and glued to them north pole up and south pole down. The disk makes a weird pinging noise.
The wobbling was fixed with two of these magnets offset from each other.
I used that rpm meter that PMMTester sent me and it says 300.1 rpms with great force.
They want all my findings in writing and sent with a correspondent with my videos and plan drawings.
The different combinations of material makes this thing run. If you use a Plexiglas disc it won't work.
You would never believe the way this thing works.
I'm working on the small magnets that you sent me to see if I can get this to work -- the one with the mounting holes. [...]
The reason the table demo crashed was that when this motor spins the magnetic forces increase at the stator position wanting to attract more, and that's why it crashed.
The motor can go in both directions.
When you build this thing with more powerful magnet, you need to build a stronger support system.
----- Original Message -----
From: [Mylow]
To: <sterlingda>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: hjm
the remagnetizer you sent me works great i used this to remagnetize the mystery magnets that look like howards johnson banna shape magnet..this motor works great and its not showing any demagnetization at all.it works good with the radio shack bar magnet the permabilty plate is attached to the bottom of the rotor magnets and glued to them north pole up and south pole down the disk make a wired pinging noise.the wobbleing was fixed with two of these magnets of set from each other.i used that rpm meter that [PMMTester] sent me and it says 300.1 rpms with great force.they whant all my findings in writhing and sent with a corespondent with my videos and plan drawings.the diffrent compenations of metrial makes this thing run if you use a plexy glass disk it whont work.you would never belive the way this thing works.working on the small magnets that you sent me to see if i can get this to work the one with the mounting holes.[...].by the way the reason the table demo crashed was that when this motor spins the magnetic forces increase at the stator position whanting to attract more and thats why it crashed.motor can go in both directions.when you build this thing with more powerfull magnet you need to build a more stronger support system.
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Somebody Left a Note on My Door
From: [Mylow]
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: hjm
hi sterling some one left a note on my door here is what they sent me you
can post it. this is what i saw very freaten at this point, good friend your
device new gen HJM.I TOOK PICTURES OF IT SEE ATTACHMENT.
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: [Mylow]
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:40:58 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
Hi Mylow,
Thanks for sending this. Is this one of the devices you worked on?
I wouldn't be afraid. It seems like a friendly gesture by someone who has
been working on a similar tech.
I'm in New York, waiting for my last flight home. It leaves tonight. Long
wait.
I enjoyed meeting you in person.
Again, my advice for you would be to get out of fear. Fear is never a
helpful emotion, though it is natural. Just as panic is not a helpful
emotion, though it is natural.
It's not good for your health, physical, emotional, mental.
I'm not saying you don't have reasons to be afraid. I'm saying that you
need to do all you can to get in a good place mentally so that all these
things that are happening to you don't get to you. When you go into fear,
they win. You don't want that.
Thanks for being so brave.
Sterling
* * * *
From: [Mylow]To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
(slightly edited)
This is the device that they are going to show to the world. It is based on Howard Johnson's magnetic motor and my discovery patterned magnetic movement. The cupcake is a little difficulty to make. They are very weak for their size and shape. I knew this before, but I think I can get them to rotate on a smaller disk. They were here last night. They want me to meet some one important. I don't know who it is. The device that is in the picture is being developed at a secret location. They want me to put it together. I am scared. I won't be back if I go with them. Something wonderful is going to happen, and the world will not believe I had something to do with it. When the time comes please don't forget me.
From: "Sterling D. Allan"
To: [Mylow]
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
Mylow,
For what it's worth, I strongly urge you not to work with them. They do not
have the planet's best interest at heart. The BlackOps were behind Hitler,
Stalin, etc. They do human sacrificing. They do mind control. They are
about as evil as this planet is able to dish out.
They might think what they are doing is for the best, but their methods of
coercion and murder and manipulation are not of God; and the society they
wish to birth -- the New World Order -- is the Satanic Beast (666)
prophesied in the Bible.
Don't be sucked in by them.
You need to open source this and allow the people of the world to have a way
to come into their full potential and break off the bonds of the beastly
element that has run the show for the last century or more here in this
country.
Sterling
From: [Mylow]
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
(slightly edited)
I will be having a meeting tonight with my wife and family. They are not forcing me but this guy that they want me to meet is close to the man in charge.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 26, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
I'm coming back from Chicago
story is now live:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/26/9501531_Mylow_being_corralled_by_BlackOps/
also at http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Salt-Lake-City-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2009m4d26-Mylow-Being-Corralledby-BlackOps-for-his-Magnet-Motor
I talked about this on my pre-recorded show at This Week in Free Energy (TWIFE.com) which airs out of Chicago at 8:55 pm tonight (in less than an hour)
I will also probably talk about this tomorrow night on my FreeEnergyNow.net radio show out of Phoenix AZ from 9 - 10 pm Pacific.
Sterling
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The Mylow Saga
(Brief background for those not familiar)
Since March 18, 2009, I have had a front seat view of the Mylow Magnet Motor project, being one of two people that Mylow will call, and running the official project website at PESWiki through the shortcut: http://MylowMagnetMotor.com
Mylow appears to have replicated Howard Johnson's all-magnet motor design from three decades ago -- a first that we know of; and a definite violation of known laws of physics; and a solution to the world's energy problems; and a way to eliminate our individual reliance on a central authority for power and a continuation of our way of life.
Though skepticism has abounded, I've remained confident that Mylow has what he says he has, and that the events he's been describing as happening to him, are indeed happening.
At first, Mylow was very open, sharing all his findings by posting videos at YouTube -- two or three a day on average. But then on Apr. 2,3 he said he received a visit from a guy from NSA, who scared him more than he's ever been scared in his life, threatening him with consequences if he didn't stop posting videos and talking about this stuff to other people.
He defied them, posting one more video that night, but he held back from posting the video he had shot showing the thing running on his glass table, from all angles.
A few days later, he started posting under a new username (projectmagma) at YouTube, this time playing around with a new configuration using bar magnets. I guess he thought he wouldn't get in trouble because he didn't show those motors working. It turns out, though, that he did get it working, and it has even more power and stability than the earlier design. The last video he posted was on the 15th, just prior to another visit from some MIB people to his place of work.
Prior to that happening, he was going to put the new magnets on there and then have some witnesses come in and document it working. I was hoping to have that in time for my presentation at a conference on Geothermal Energy in Estonia two days later. I went ahead and mentioned the technology anyway.
Mylow's Story is Consistent with My World View
While many people have a hard time believing any of this (a working magnet motor, MIB trying to stop it from coming to public knowledge), I don't, because for years before I entered the world of free energy technology, I was involved in studying and exposing global conspiracies to overthrow freedom and establish a world dictatorship. The implementation of the extreme security measures in the U.S. is all part of removing our freedoms and moving us toward that kind of Orwellian world.
I do not view those in power in the U.S. government to be working in our best interest, though there are certainly exceptions to the rule. And the NSA would be near the bottom in the list of those who have freedom dear to their heart. While they put forth an image of working for the security of the country, they are more like foxes guarding the henhouse.
The BlackOps were behind Hitler, Stalin, 911, the Murrah Federal Building bombing (false flag operations), etc. They do ritualistic human sacrificing. They do mind control and ritualistic abuse. They are about as evil as this planet is able to dish out.
They might think what they are doing is for the best, but their methods of coercion and murder and manipulation are not of God; and the society they wish to birth -- the New World Order -- is the Satanic Beast (666) prophesied in the Bible.
While I'm not a Bible thumper, I do see a lot of truth to some of the end time prophesies that are consistent with prophecies from many other religious and spiritual paths. An era of global dominion of evil prior to the emergence of an enlightened society, is the reality we are presently experiencing. Free energy will be part of the new enlightenment both for its sustainability as well as for its empowerment. With it, we won't be dependent any longer on the powers that be, but will be able to assert our own individualism and goodness -- aspiring to the highest that is within, rather than groveling to the baser elements of our nature.
My Trip to Chicago
Nearly from the beginning of this saga, I've felt that at some point I would be able to go to Chicago and see for myself what Mylow has. Friday afternoon, it seemed to me that the time was now right. Mylow had mentioned having built more working motors, and my schedule was open. So without notifying anyone except those who had to know, I jumped on a plane and headed to Chicago via JFK (flight cost considerations).
I'm sitting in JFK now, on my way back. Still processing all that Mylow described.
Two Working Motors, One Self-Running
Below is an email I received yesterday from Mylow, a few minutes before I was at his apartment, ringing his bell.
He didn't know I was coming. I didn't want to tip "them" off, who have been watching and monitoring him.
In his email to me, I was most curious by the "they" references that indicated that someone was working with him, providing him with materials, and in control over what he is presently doing, etc. Who were "they"? and what kind of relationship does he have with him? I had thought he was working with us to open source this.
I had left a brochure in his mail slot, with my photo on it, and a note that I was in town, and requested that he call me. I then went to grab some lunch, which was when I saw this email from him. (For context, read that message now.)
I sent him an email asking him to check his mail slot; I also told him that "*** is a great restaurant, and a great place to show off cake" (or something like that, using his code language), in case he actually was home but was afraid to let me in; and perhaps could bring one of his motors over to the restaurant to show it to me there. I then stopped by again a couple of hours later and left a business card telling him I was going to try and find a hotel nearby. That took a couple of hours, with traffic and such, and I was nearly to the destination when he called. I immediately changed course back toward his apartment; and we talked on the phone for much of that time (it took nearly 45 minutes).
He said that he didn't have anything at his apartment, but that "they" had both of his working devices. Rather than meet as his apartment, we met at nearby restaurant.
Looking Over His Shoulder
When I sat down with him at the Restaurant, and for the entire time we were talking, every little while he would nervously glance right and behind me and turning his head to look out the windows and behind him. He was exhibiting a highly frightened demeanor. He said he's not been sleeping well, and that some astonishing (not his word, and not intended in a positive context here) things have been happening in the last few days.
They apparently have threatened him with his life if he doesn't comply with their wishes to do as they say, including: don't contact me or PMMTester, don't post running motor videos on YouTube, don't talk to the press, don't disclose what they tell him and show him.
From what I can gather, based on the approximate three hours I had with him, by phone and in person, there are two MIB factions at play here, and not necessarily working at cross purposes. One is the NSA who showed up at his apartment April 2,3. The other is part of the deep black ops who are the real powers that be, sequestering for themselves the best technologies available on the planet, controlling the governments of the earth through their control of the money supplies, and the primary force behind the UFO cover-ups that have been going on -- much of that technology being things that they have developed. They would be the ones running projects like Area 51. Off budget, and off radar of many politicians.
The NSA dude who showed up on Apr. 2,3 is a director of some kind ("head"), and probably answers to the deep black op element. For clarity, I'll refer to the latter as "BlackOps".
Both have used tactics of extreme intimidation and fear with him, not treating him with hardly any courtesy. When they went to his work, they told his boss/partner that Mylow was "in trouble."
You Wouldn't Believe What They Have!
Several times, Mylow said, "You would never believe the stuff they showed me." I told him that I would believe it, because I know they have a lot of advanced technologies that they are keeping from the people, using for their own nefarious ends.
He shares my sentiment that it is not right for the BlackOps to be sequestering the best technologies for themselves and keeping them from the civilians. He referred to communications satellites that are powered for years, but that this same technology is not available for the general public.
For some reason, the BlackOps have been very interested in what Mylow has accomplished, even though he is but one in a long string of magnet motors that they have witness and absconded similarly. Howard Johnson was likewise contacted by and controlled by the BlackOps. His patent drawings were purposely misleading, per their instructions.
They brought him into one of their facilities in Chicago, and placed in front of him some components for him to build one of his motors, using their parts that represented the finest machining and materials. The rotor was about 24 inches in diameter, and the channel magnets were about five inches tall. It took him about six hours to get it running. The whole time there were scientists taking pictures and notes on what he was doing and commenting to him about its operation and the science behind how these things work. He said that most of what one guy said went over his head.
Does That Look Familiar?
Once the thing was running, they kind of pushed him back, as they descended on the thing to observe and record. Then the lady (who had gone to his place of work last week) placed in front of him a copy of some sketches Howard Johnson had made in 1978, which have never been made public (because they confiscated it back then). She said, "Does that look familiar?" as she placed it on the table in front of the motor he had just gotten to work. It was nearly identical.
But even then, her demeanor was not one of camaraderie, but maintained the intimidation posture. They were basically bragging to him about all the inventors they've gotten to do their bidding -- kind of as a way to scare him: They couldn't resist, neither can you. They also told him that some of the "Inventor Prizes" and "We can help you patent your invention" programs are there as a magnet to find the technologies they want, and to be able to control them.
Mylow said that Howard Johnson used permeability plates to hold the magnets together, or the unit would tend to destruct.
For Mylow, this ability doesn't come as a matter of scientific analysis, but as a natural gift. Mylow made a comment to the effect that signaled to me that they even tried to scare him by saying that they would recognize his work if he tried to sneak it out somehow. I told him that was ridiculous, because there are certainly others who will be able to make this stuff work as well, who will be similarly (though not identically) gifted. Once the effect is characterized and optimized, then it can be engineered to whatever desired application.
Radio Shack Magnets, Self-Runner, Lots of Power
The motor that they are most interested in, though, is the one that uses the Radio Shack bar magnets (shown in his projectmagma YouTube videos). That is the one that he got to "self-start" (not requiring him to find the "sweet spot" before it begins spinning). He said that it uses magnets all the way around the rotor disc, with one spot left open. He said that this spot was where the wobble was introduced. He was able to overcome that wobble by introducing a second stator disc just above and slightly offset from the first one. The way he drew it on a napkin was as if the Radio Shack bar magnets were vertical, not horizontal as he showed in his earlier videos; and one of the two stator magnets was about 1/2-width offset from the other underneath it. Then it ran very smoothly. That's the one that stabilized at 300 rpm. The BlackOps were most interested in that one because of the force it produced.
If I understand correctly, the stator magnet is the banana-shaped magnet he pulled from a regular motor, then remagnetized so the N-S polarity went from one leg to the other. He got the magnetizer from AllMagnetics.com (they are loaning it to him).
One of the things Mylow was very afraid to talk about was that the BlackOps apparently have a plan to release this technology to the public this coming Summer, possibly as early as June, via an announcement from a University. "It will change everything." It will open an entirely new area of physics. I asked him how he thought they would benefit from that inasmuch as it would empower the people. He wasn't sure. As if remembering something they said, he said something about maybe getting out of the country.
I should mention, too, that he does not have my world view expressed above. To him, these guys are just some scary dudes with lots of power and smarts, and who don't mess around. When I asked him if he would portray them as being the "villain" in a world plot, at first, he said "no," but said that they have a lot of power and have big designs for the world, and that they are more powerful than the government. When I pointed out that the tactics they have been using with him of fear and coercion are not from the light, he seemed to nod, part way admitting the point, but somehow he seems blinded to just who he is dealing with. Even today, in follow-up correspondence we've been having back and forth by email, he acts like he has this heavy decision to make whether to work with them. They are the ones who have been talking about getting him set up in a lab. I'm urging him to have nothing to do with them; that they would not be using it for the betterment of humanity, but to increase their control. We can get him set up in a lab if that's what he wants.
A Decision to Make
At one point in our conversation, he did say something to the effect that he was willing to lay down his life for this if it came to that -- something he's already exhibited many times by continuing to correspond with me and PMMTester, even though he's been told not to; and by meeting with me and telling me all that he did last night. Even though he didn't tell all (e.g. the stuff that they showed him that they have), I'm sure he crossed the line a lot of times.
They said they would be visiting him again in a few days. It turns out that they will be meeting with him tonight. (See correspondence below.)
Mylow hasn't given me his new cell number (unlisted), but the BlackOps had it and used it almost as soon as he got it.
Mylow said that the Aluminum disc is crucial to the operation of the motor, and that the magnets need to be in contact with the disc -- the more complete the contact, the better.
Mylow doesn't think the theory that has been floated regarding the North and South poles switching has any merit, but that it is more of a magnetic wave effect.
At one point in our conversation, Mylow broached the idea of maybe going on Coast to Coast AM.
# # #
Recent Emails from Mylow
Wobbling Fixed
From: [Mylow]
To: <sterlingda>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: hjm
=======EDIT BY STERLING========
The remagnetizer you sent me works great. I used this to remagnetize the mystery magnets that look like Howards Johnson's banana-shaped magnets.This motor works great, and it's not showing any demagnetization at all. It works well with the Radio Shack bar magnet. The permeability plate is attached to the bottom of the rotor magnets, and glued to them north pole up and south pole down. The disk makes a weird pinging noise.
The wobbling was fixed with two of these magnets offset from each other.
I used that rpm meter that PMMTester sent me and it says 300.1 rpms with great force.
They want all my findings in writing and sent with a correspondent with my videos and plan drawings.
The different combinations of material makes this thing run. If you use a Plexiglas disc it won't work.
You would never believe the way this thing works.
I'm working on the small magnets that you sent me to see if I can get this to work -- the one with the mounting holes. [...]
The reason the table demo crashed was that when this motor spins the magnetic forces increase at the stator position wanting to attract more, and that's why it crashed.
The motor can go in both directions.
When you build this thing with more powerful magnet, you need to build a stronger support system.
----- Original Message -----
From: [Mylow]
To: <sterlingda>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: hjm
the remagnetizer you sent me works great i used this to remagnetize the mystery magnets that look like howards johnson banna shape magnet..this motor works great and its not showing any demagnetization at all.it works good with the radio shack bar magnet the permabilty plate is attached to the bottom of the rotor magnets and glued to them north pole up and south pole down the disk make a wired pinging noise.the wobbleing was fixed with two of these magnets of set from each other.i used that rpm meter that [PMMTester] sent me and it says 300.1 rpms with great force.they whant all my findings in writhing and sent with a corespondent with my videos and plan drawings.the diffrent compenations of metrial makes this thing run if you use a plexy glass disk it whont work.you would never belive the way this thing works.working on the small magnets that you sent me to see if i can get this to work the one with the mounting holes.[...].by the way the reason the table demo crashed was that when this motor spins the magnetic forces increase at the stator position whanting to attract more and thats why it crashed.motor can go in both directions.when you build this thing with more powerfull magnet you need to build a more stronger support system.
# # # #
Somebody Left a Note on My Door
From: [Mylow]
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: hjm
hi sterling some one left a note on my door here is what they sent me you
can post it. this is what i saw very freaten at this point, good friend your
device new gen HJM.I TOOK PICTURES OF IT SEE ATTACHMENT.
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: [Mylow]
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:40:58 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
Hi Mylow,
Thanks for sending this. Is this one of the devices you worked on?
I wouldn't be afraid. It seems like a friendly gesture by someone who has
been working on a similar tech.
I'm in New York, waiting for my last flight home. It leaves tonight. Long
wait.
I enjoyed meeting you in person.
Again, my advice for you would be to get out of fear. Fear is never a
helpful emotion, though it is natural. Just as panic is not a helpful
emotion, though it is natural.
It's not good for your health, physical, emotional, mental.
I'm not saying you don't have reasons to be afraid. I'm saying that you
need to do all you can to get in a good place mentally so that all these
things that are happening to you don't get to you. When you go into fear,
they win. You don't want that.
Thanks for being so brave.
Sterling
* * * *
From: [Mylow]To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
(slightly edited)
This is the device that they are going to show to the world. It is based on Howard Johnson's magnetic motor and my discovery patterned magnetic movement. The cupcake is a little difficulty to make. They are very weak for their size and shape. I knew this before, but I think I can get them to rotate on a smaller disk. They were here last night. They want me to meet some one important. I don't know who it is. The device that is in the picture is being developed at a secret location. They want me to put it together. I am scared. I won't be back if I go with them. Something wonderful is going to happen, and the world will not believe I had something to do with it. When the time comes please don't forget me.
From: "Sterling D. Allan"
To: [Mylow]
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
Mylow,
For what it's worth, I strongly urge you not to work with them. They do not
have the planet's best interest at heart. The BlackOps were behind Hitler,
Stalin, etc. They do human sacrificing. They do mind control. They are
about as evil as this planet is able to dish out.
They might think what they are doing is for the best, but their methods of
coercion and murder and manipulation are not of God; and the society they
wish to birth -- the New World Order -- is the Satanic Beast (666)
prophesied in the Bible.
Don't be sucked in by them.
You need to open source this and allow the people of the world to have a way
to come into their full potential and break off the bonds of the beastly
element that has run the show for the last century or more here in this
country.
Sterling
From: [Mylow]
To: "Sterling D. Allan"
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: hjm
(slightly edited)
I will be having a meeting tonight with my wife and family. They are not forcing me but this guy that they want me to meet is close to the man in charge.
Thank you Sterlinga for the long writing. Don't know what to say....
Did Mylow have the same mental issues as John Nash in the movie, the "Beautiful Mind"?
Stuff like that is either true, made-up or looney. I have no comment but thank you for making the trip.
cheers
chrisC
Call me crazy but I think it's all true. This human ping pong ball thing is rough.
P.S. there's a 'new' old (filmed Apr 13) vid up on Mylow's page
Well this makes it easy for everyone concerned. If you don't believe him, then this makes it easy to write off as a joke, and you can forget about the entire matter. If you do believe him, you can forget about the entire matter because he's been taken away and we'll never get any more technical info/assistance, until it gets officially released by a uni in a couple of months set up by the blackops guys (I'll believe that when I see it).
I guess it's time for a new game.
Andrew
I can't imagine 'them' showing him any other forbidden tech unless their profile on him matches what most think. If so, I would think 'they' were trying to initiate positive cooperation. But why?
If they are going to release something this summer it makes no sense.
'They' know 'we' burn our own at the stake. Why should they worry about it? They had to worry about it before the web, but now? No way. We would have lit the torches before their plans were messed up.
Infringing on a sealed government patent? Possible, I suppose. The usual patent rules are out the window there.
>>Edit
How in the world would he obtain a photo of a blocked tech? I can see them showing off some info to impress, but leaving a copy? - and one that looks so much like another famous PMM flop?
Just saw comments about BlackOps... actions related to religion? Don't think so. You give these folks a list of instructions - they carry them out - period. No need to think about it. Now, the folks giving the instructions? Sure.
I didn't read through your whole post Sterling, did you say that Mylow let you see his motor while you were in Chicago? :-\ :-\
Quote from: The Nephew on April 26, 2009, 11:12:42 PM
I didn't read through your whole post Sterling, did you say that Mylow let you see his motor while you were in Chicago? :-\ :-\
Sterling would have said so. So it appears mylow didn't have any of his machines, and sterling didn't see anything.
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 26, 2009, 11:23:53 PM
Sterling would have said so. So it appears mylow didn't have any of his machines, and sterling didn't see anything.
PL
Maybe this is all for a college writing assignment? Maybe Mylow will be the next Orson Welles??!! ???
"The program's news-bulletin format was decried as cruelly deceptive by some newspapers and public figures, leading to an outcry against the perpetrators of the broadcast, but the episode launched Orson Welles to fame."
Please cut and paste link into browser to see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)
Joe
It certainly is becoming more and more difficult to believe....even for the believers.
.99
@ Sterling:
I appreciate the effort and expense you went to by going to Chicago. I find it beyond credibility that "suddenly" both of his motors were confiscated by....whomever. Had you not made the trip, I bet that this "story" would not have been deployed. If you think any of this is true, than I don't know what to tell you. This is so far from reality that I can't believe you give it any credibility any more. From the MIB, NSA, his wife's broom, and now to "these people" that took his motors (plural) the story gets worse and worse with 0 chance of ANY of it being true. If he was a "threat" to anyone, he would have just gone away, end of story. The kind of folks he says he is worried about do not play games and give warnings. None of this is real although I had been hoping it was. If you continue to swallow this BS then I will have 0 respect for you from here on out.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 27, 2009, 12:55:01 AM
@ Sterling:
I appreciate the effort and expense you went to by going to Chicago. I find it beyond credibility that "suddenly" both of his motors were confiscated by....whomever. Had you not made the trip, I bet that this "story" would not have been deployed. If you think any of this is true, than I don't know what to tell you. This is so far from reality that I can't believe you give it any credibility any more. From the MIB, NSA, his wife's broom, and now to "these people" that took his motors (plural) the story gets worse and worse with 0 chance of ANY of it being true. If he was a "threat" to anyone, he would have just gone away, end of story. The kind of folks he says he is worried about do not play games and give warnings. None of this is real although I had been hoping it was. If you continue to swallow this BS then I will have 0 respect for you from here on out.
Bill
Bill:
Well said. At the beginning, I wanted to believe when MyLow seemed completely sincere and real in his videos. Then, as the heat was turned up for him to show a proper video with no strings attached, excuses crept in. The hotter the kitchen was, the more outlandish the scenarios became. I'm completely dumb founded that Sterling can let his own reputation be tainted with such unbelievable crap!
Yes, the NSA and other security agencies will intercept technology likely to be harmful to national interest and even the US Patent Office will keep such patents from issue. However, if you look at MyLow's exercise of picking the right magnets in a correct circular arrangements does NOT equate to super-duper technology. Too many people have tried to replicate without success tells you this episode must end! Give me a break!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: sterlinga on April 26, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
I'm coming back from Chicago
Though skepticism has abounded, I've remained confident that Mylow has what he says he has, and that the events he's been describing as happening to him, are indeed happening.
Mylow's Story is Consistent with My World View
While many people have a hard time believing any of this (a working magnet motor, MIB trying to stop it from coming to public knowledge), I don't, because for years before I entered the world of free energy technology, I was involved in studying and exposing global conspiracies to overthrow freedom and establish a world dictatorship. The implementation of the extreme security measures in the U.S. is all part of removing our freedoms and moving us toward that kind of Orwellian world.
He said that he didn't have anything at his apartment, but that "they" had both of his working devices. Rather than meet as his apartment, we met at nearby restaurant.
Seems as though Sterling is predisposed to believing in conspiracies. (Without any proof).
Would have been more believable if Mylow had met at his apartment.
I say Mylow is a fraud, and Sterling has Gullible written all over his face.
If we stop talking about Mylow for a few days, I'm sure he or Sterling will post something
else to get everyone taking again.
I think this will make a great movie. It has all the elements of a blockbuster.
Greatest invention of the century - MIB's - Worldwide forums - true believers - skeptics - babes in the wood that will believe anything
What more do you want? It will make so much money they have to shoot a sequel the moment it's released.
We need a good title - what should we call it - we could call it..................ooooooooooh I've got it !
We call it The colour of shit !
Hans von Lieven
@ Hans:
Great idea! Hey, someone could even sell plans on how to make the movie. The potential profits are endless. I think Joe Pesci should be cast in the role of Mylow. Heck, Mylow already sounds a bit like him.
Bill
Coming to a theater near you, unless of course the film is confiscated by the MIB, NSA, CIA, FBI or destroyed by a broom.
I wonder what would have happened had Sterling turned up with all the materials to build a "wheel" and said to mylow, here`s $xxxx build me a replica?
Let me guess, it would either "take too long" or "I can`t, I`m being watched"
:) Pretty easy to kick a man in the back huh? :-*
I've been following this thread for ages and I'm sorry to say that even I could have made that unplanned visit far more productive given what Mylow has been saying to date... With a little thought Sterling could have either exposed Mylow or the Conspiracy without ever meeting Mylow.
Sterling turns up, hires a vehicle with tinted windows and waits outside Mylows place for Mylow to appear. He then spends the next week following his every movement and writing down everyone who came and went from his place. During that time one of a variety of things would have happened, or not, to provide conclusive proof of this being the truth or a bunch of lies...
If "BlackOps" were involved and were meeting with him Sterling would have seen them and if they had seen Sterling they may well have warned him off, he wouldn't have known about the visit so could stage nothing in response to being watched... Which leads to the other possibility that there's no "BlackOps" and if that were the case he would have seen Mylow just walking around without any contact with anyone suspicious at all and if he had watched him from afar and made sure Mylow noticed Mylow would probably have had a panic attack and phoned the police to say someone was watching him, proof acquired.
I'm not going to go deeper in to how that visit should have taken place but that visit was a total failure in my opinion. Sterling saw nothing, he got told another bunch of stories which are hard to believe and impossible to prove or disprove and if he had done it differently that post would be exposing the truth or a lie instead of yet again dangling a carrot in front of everyone who is watching this story unfold. I say "unfold" but in a way it's folding up more and more with each passing day.
If I didn't live thousands of miles away from the guy I would do the job properly myself just so I could get some closure on this subject. I can say, hand on heart, that if that guy lived in the UK I would get the answers everyone wants, I have access to plenty of covert surveillance equipment doing what I do for a living, and I would blow the lid off the lot one way or another... I'm surprised no-ones done it, properly, yet.
That said, I do still hope it's all real but when he's already said it was a hoax, no-one has been able to reproduce the effect and Sterling didn't actually see anything other than Mylow looking around as if someone might be watching him it's a bit difficult to stay positive.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 26, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
I'm coming back from Chicago
story is now live:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/26/9501531_Mylow_being_corralled_by_BlackOps/
also at http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Salt-Lake-City-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2009m4d26-Mylow-Being-Corralledby-BlackOps-for-his-Magnet-Motor
I talked about this on my pre-recorded show at This Week in Free Energy (TWIFE.com) which airs out of Chicago at 8:55 pm tonight (in less than an hour)
I will also probably talk about this tomorrow night on my FreeEnergyNow.net radio show out of Phoenix AZ from 9 - 10 pm Pacific.
Sterling
====================
etc, etc....
Just some speculation for the sake of it....
- Al is a requirement? Al induced eddy currents?
- Magnets should contact Al? Conduct eddy/induced currents through magnets?
- Alnico is conductive. Some ferrite magnets are conductive. Radio Shack magnets conductive?
- Permability plates contacting magnets may conduct?
- Howard Johnson loved to wrap his magnets in AL foil?
Regards,
Os
I've added the following to the story at http://pesn.com/2009/04/26/9501531_Mylow_being_corralled_by_BlackOps/
Napkin Drawings
Here is a scan of the napkin we were drawing on at the Restaurant. I've added a few annotations.
[Image here]
click for slight enlargement
Looked me in the Eyes
I realize that all of this is hard for many of you to believe. It's easier for me to believe because I've been digesting the conspiracy thing for a couple of decades. I've seen plenty of evidence for it, because I have eyes to see, having awakened to it around 1987.
Even then, I must admit that as I was sitting there listening to Mylow, the thought did cross my mind that perhaps he has some kind of weird martyr complex and is making all this MIB stuff up; but almost as quickly I would dismiss that thought because of how consistent everything has been, between what he's said by email, how he acted before the MIB showed up, the fact that I got corroboration from the guy looking into the MIB incident for Congressman Howard Coble of North Carolina, who sits on the Committee for Homeland Security, in which his secretary was able to confirm that there was a visit by a guy from the NSA (Coble's office will probably deny this), etc. But most of all, looking at Mylow's demeanor, and having seen his sincerity in his videos and hearing it in his voice in our phone conversations -- all that is a big reason why I believe what Mylow is saying.
No, he didn't just conveniently make up the latest story when I showed up unannounced as a reason to get out of having to show me something, when there was nothing to show. In an email before I showed up, and another just a few minutes before I showed up, he had talked about having two units running, and that there was another entity involved in supplying him with materials. It would stand to reason that this other entity would be in possession of the units. Mylow said he let them.
Also, on about three occasions, as we were talking in person yesterday, he looked me straight in the eye, and with all the seriousness he could muster, he essentially swore that he was not lying, and that all this was true, including that he had two units running. I didn't see any body language that said he was just acting.
I actually tend to like to be jovial when I meet with friends, throwing in some jokes, and making light of very serious matters as a way of diffusing some of the anxiety that can otherwise arise. But Mylow was as serious as he could be, the entire time we were talking.
- - - -
[at the end of the story]
Our Destiny
So the gauntlet has been laid down. The BlackOps want to be the ones to have their people release this technology, so they can try to control it like they've controlled so many other things, especially oil.
Meanwhile, Mylow has given us adequate information, hopefully, to be able to build one of these motors. Can the open source community rise to the challenge and beat the BlackOps to that juncture? My expectation is that not only can the open source community reproduce this, but they will be able to come up with a clear, easily reproducible motor that can be built with readily-available components around the world. This is a technology for the people, not for the powers that be. Let's beat them in this one. We can do it. Their dominion of brutality and manipulation of the world has gone on long enough. Don't you think?
There have been several very good builders try to replicate this now, Clanzer and Queue to name two, mylow has the same magnets as queue is using, unless he provides Queue with information to get his replication working this will be at a dead end.
Please forgive the following bad humor, and it's only that, but I couldn't resist,
Sterling Allan presents the following evidence ... Napkin Drawing! ... Ta Daaaaa!!!
Sterling
Does this same spacing apply to m646 rotors and Hs811n stator that i have ? -
No guessing please - if you don't know say so..
Does he still have those 2 magnet sets ?
He has had those m646 rotor magnets that you sent to him for more than a week now ..
and still no config to replicate with ..
It seems to me that if he had those magnets working he could remember the working config and could easily answer the question i have put to him MANY times .. in both forums and on his youtube ( again last night )
What is the required spacing and layout for the M646 anf HS811n magnets ?
Magnets that both he and i have in common ..
.. i could replicate a config within hours of having that info yet he never provides it..
IMO it doesn't seem like he really wants someone to replicate ..
if he did he would already have provided these info and it would be done..
Q
Hmm with people, there are them that try and do some things. They become delusional and believe in what they are doing. Some have make fake videos of such hoping others; or just plain convinced: their idea or item works, or will work.
They proceed to get others involved in such, It is not at all abnormal for others to get caught up in such delusions. Happens all the time.
In this case I think Mylow is one that thinks what he has done is real.
I doubt it is.
The MIB crap, ( well after the claim of a NSA official , some feds might have shown up) is just a part of the delusions of a person.
The whole story line from the start of this fits this pattern. It is not an open fake. It is a product of some ones delusions, and as usual forks have got caught up in it.
As for Sterling visiting: Why not take everything to make it with you??? You showed a replication attempt. LOL so he ends up with a few napkin drawings from a person who did not even know the polarity of his magnet motor lay out. Sterling you are now caught up in some ones paranoid delusions. Don't worry it wont be long before you are a part of the (Out to get him) side of such.
Today I had a look at what might cause the stator magnet to cool down.
Quick search on the Internet learned me that this is quite a common effect.
Now looking at this, theory learns that the cooling of the stator has degrading effect on the stator magnet.
This means at least two things:
1) there is energy transfer from the stator to the rotor magnets, meaning that this could be the driving energy for this setup.
2) if this driving effect is real, this setup has limitted lifetime until the rotor magnet has been worn out, something MYLOW mentioned several times.
It could also say something about the materials of the applied magnets, since this thermo magnetic effect does not occur with every magnetic material.
I conclude that the stator magnets MYLOW has used at least contain such materials and the rotor magnets less or none.
It would not surprise me if the thermo magnet effect is also the reason why other permanent magnet concepts like perediv, whipmag, etc are pulled back from publication due to limited lifetime of part of its magnets.
Still interesting though what would be the critical factors to activate this effect to drive a motor.
[just my thoughts....]
Attached a simple indication of the effect.
Quote from: Mr. M on April 27, 2009, 05:36:53 AM
I've been following this thread for ages and I'm sorry to say that even I could have made that unplanned visit far more productive given what Mylow has been saying to date... With a little thought Sterling could have either exposed Mylow or the Conspiracy without ever meeting Mylow.
....
If I didn't live thousands of miles away from the guy I would do the job properly myself ....
Well, we already have our own resident P.I in Prate8817 ie Bill. I'm sure he'll be able to prove if Mylow has the same delusional problem as John Nash. Meanwhile the sage continues.....
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Mr. M on April 27, 2009, 05:36:53 AM
I've been following this thread for ages and I'm sorry to say that even I could have made that unplanned visit far more productive given what Mylow has been saying to date... With a little thought Sterling could have either exposed Mylow or the Conspiracy without ever meeting Mylow.
Sterling turns up, hires a vehicle with tinted windows and waits outside Mylows place for Mylow to appear. He then spends the next week following his every movement and writing down everyone who came and went from his place. During that time one of a variety of things would have happened, or not, to provide conclusive proof of this being the truth or a bunch of lies...
If "BlackOps" were involved and were meeting with him Sterling would have seen them and if they had seen Sterling they may well have warned him off, he wouldn't have known about the visit so could stage nothing in response to being watched... Which leads to the other possibility that there's no "BlackOps" and if that were the case he would have seen Mylow just walking around without any contact with anyone suspicious at all and if he had watched him from afar and made sure Mylow noticed Mylow would probably have had a panic attack and phoned the police to say someone was watching him, proof acquired.
I'm not going to go deeper in to how that visit should have taken place but that visit was a total failure in my opinion. Sterling saw nothing, he got told another bunch of stories which are hard to believe and impossible to prove or disprove and if he had done it differently that post would be exposing the truth or a lie instead of yet again dangling a carrot in front of everyone who is watching this story unfold. I say "unfold" but in a way it's folding up more and more with each passing day.
If I didn't live thousands of miles away from the guy I would do the job properly myself just so I could get some closure on this subject. I can say, hand on heart, that if that guy lived in the UK I would get the answers everyone wants, I have access to plenty of covert surveillance equipment doing what I do for a living, and I would blow the lid off the lot one way or another... I'm surprised no-ones done it, properly, yet.
That said, I do still hope it's all real but when he's already said it was a hoax, no-one has been able to reproduce the effect and Sterling didn't actually see anything other than Mylow looking around as if someone might be watching him it's a bit difficult to stay positive.
Putting Mylow under any type of surveillance would violate IL. PI licensing laws. Even if you lived in that area, if you did it, and were caught, you would go to jail. If Sterling did it, and was caught, he would be in trouble. The only legal option would be to engage the services of an IL. licensed PI who would perform the surveillance in accordance with IL. laws.
I am licensed in Kentucky and it would be equally against the law for me to do it in IL. Now some would say, "So what? It is only against the law if you get caught." To those I would say good luck and have a good attorney and bail money handy. Deciding to break any law just because you think you might not get caught is not a good way to go through life in my opinion.
Bill
@ queue,
Could you try to replicate Mylow's stator mount like in his video. You use wood blocks on each sides instead of aluminum post. Maybe there is an effect there that you won't get with the wood. Try to place it is a position similar to his setting, if there is some diamagnetic effect with the disk or the magnets or both, you will never get it to turn with your stator as it is now.
Take care,
Michel
P.S.: To the naysayers, we heard you and your contribution to this thread is done. Move along and get a life.
Quote from: Michelinho on April 27, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
@ queue,
Could you try to replicate Mylow's stator mount like in his video. You use wood blocks on each sides instead of aluminum post. Maybe there is an effect there that you won't get with the wood. Try to place it is a position similar to his setting, if there is some diamagnetic effect with the disk or the magnets or both, you will never get it to turn with your stator as it is now.
Take care,
Michel
P.S.: To the naysayers, we heard you and your contribution to this thread is done. Move along and get a life.
I think we have to consider that eddy currents may be playing an important role here. To get those eddy currents flowing thru the aluminum we need direct contact between the stator magnets and the disk--which needs to be of the correct thickness. Also additional aluminum (as in support brackets) may also be affecting those eddy currents. And we still haven't sourced the exact disk material that Mylow is using. Different alloys have different eddy current characteristics. Just my 2 cents.
Hi fleubis,
QuoteI think we have to consider that eddy currents may be playing an important role here. To get those eddy currents flowing thru the aluminum we need direct contact between the stator magnets and the disk--which needs to be of the correct thickness. Also additional aluminum (as in support brackets) may also be affecting those eddy currents. And we still haven't sourced the exact disk material that Mylow is using. Different alloys have different eddy current characteristics. Just my 2 cents.
I don't think there is any eddy currents of value in this setup as the rotational speed is much to slow to have a homopolar generating effect. What I meant by the diamagnetic effect is the influence of the magnets on the stator support where there is a rapid change of magnetic field from either the total field produced by the rotor assembly or the individual fields from each magnets as they pass close to the support. Queue's rotor is big enough for a rapid passage of the individual magnets to create an effect with the aluminum.
Take care,
Michel
P.S.: A homopolar generator must turn at very high speed to create a flow of current within the rotor.
Yes, the field is in the aluminum plate!
see post #2139 and see why.
Hi lumen,
Quote
Because this is about the end of the Mylow HJ design and everyone is about sure that is does not actually work (Including me), I have only one theory as to why it could possibly operate if it actually did.
We all know that simply passing magnets over other magnets gains nothing! But the thick aluminum plate CAN provide a purpose as I am about to state.
Because the rotor magnets are mounted to the aluminum plate, the field of those magnets pass into the plate, and we will call it the south pole.
As the rotor turns and the magnets approach the south pole of the stator, the field is pushed deeper into the aluminum plate at a slow rate that does not cause much resistance besides the fact that most of the field is already into the plate.
Then in the short span as it passes the south pole to the north pole of the stator, the south field on the rotor jumps to the north of the stator. At this point the field retained in the aluminum also is attracted to the stator and provides a free additional pull that quickly dissipates. The rotors south field pole does not return back into the aluminum plate until it gains distance from the stator and it does this at no cost because the magnet itself pushes the field back into the plate far from the stator.
All other magnetic reactions are equal and neither help or hinder the rotation. The concept is like an induction motor with an aluminum rotor.
If I was to try this replication, I would base the design on this concept.
I fail to see the relevance of that statement or theory.
I would recommend that you buy and study the book "Design, construction & operating principles of electromagnets for attracting copper, aluminum & other non-ferrous metals" by Leonard R. Crow 1951 and do some experiments. Once that done have a chat with our member pese for some very illuminating hints. Sorry my copy is not for sale. :)
Take care,
Michel
I guess to try to put it shorter, the rotor magnets push a field through the aluminum plate just because they are setting so close to it. (on it)
The aluminum plate resists a rapid field change by producing a current that creates a counter field but this current fades over a short time in the stationary field of the rotor magnets.
As the rotor passes the stator magnet, the magnet pulls to the pole closest to the plate and distracts the field from continuing through the plate, but the plate resists the rapid change and continues to hold the present field for a short time.
So the net draw to the stator is 1 rotor magnet field + retained plate field. This holds only for the short attract phase and on exit from the stator there is only the loss of -1 rotor magnet field leaving a net gain of 1 plate field that was only present on the approach to the stator.
But whatever, it's only a toy right?
Quote from: lumen on April 27, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
I guess to try to put it shorter, the rotor magnets push a field through the aluminum plate just because they are setting so close to it. (on it)
The aluminum plate resists a rapid field change by producing a current that creates a counter field but this current fades over a short time in the stationary field of the rotor magnets.
As the rotor passes the stator magnet, the magnet pulls to the pole closest to the plate and distracts the field from continuing through the plate, but the plate resists the rapid change and continues to hold the present field for a short time.
So the net draw to the stator is 1 rotor magnet field + retained plate field. This holds only for the short attract phase and on exit from the stator there is only the loss of -1 rotor magnet field leaving a net gain of 1 plate field that was only present on the approach to the stator.
But whatever, it's only a toy right?
And while we're looking at this "Toy's" construction......take note of the thickness of Mylow's disc.....it appears to be 1/4" thick. But what this "Rockwell Grade 5" aircraft aluminum is........is anybody's guess. I cannot locate anything about this and assume it is some alloy. All this matters, IMHO.
@fleubis
This will explain it better.
http://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/rockwell.htm
Basically it is a hardness grade.
@ Q, 4 u, a maybe try? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ly66S7Yig
Re lumen,
QuoteI guess to try to put it shorter, the rotor magnets push a field through the aluminum plate just because they are setting so close to it. (on it)
The aluminum plate resists a rapid field change by producing a current that creates a counter field but this current fades over a short time in the stationary field of the rotor magnets.
The current induced in the disk would at most measure in pico amp, not enough to produce and deflect a magnetic field from even a weak rotor magnet and the stator magnet would not be affected being farther away. The stator is a lot smaller and receive fast impulses from the sides and top (the motor works in repulsive mode) creating a small attracting/repulsive force that could, if the magnets timing with the stator support is right, create a small deflection of field of the stator magnet (stuck directly on the support)*. The rotor magnets would not be sensibly affected being too far away from the stator support.
Take care,
Michel
*Howard Johnson does it with weaker angled flexible magnets on the sides and in the back of the stronger ones to shape his magnetic fields.
Quote from: Michelinho on April 27, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
@ queue,
Could you try to replicate Mylow's stator mount like in his video. You use wood blocks on each sides instead of aluminum post. Maybe there is an effect there that you won't get with the wood. Try to place it is a position similar to his setting, if there is some diamagnetic effect with the disk or the magnets or both, you will never get it to turn with your stator as it is now.
Take care,
Michel
P.S.: To the naysayers, we heard you and your contribution to this thread is done. Move along and get a life.
I just wanted to contribute the fact that Mylow did use WOOD blocks on the sides with his "working" motor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaJfavhDVg
I'm not sure what you are trying to ask or tell Queue?
Thanks,
Joe
Hi joe_1001101,
Apparently you did not see the aluminum plate behind the wood.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on April 27, 2009, 09:44:11 PM
Hi joe_1001101,
Apparently you did not see the aluminum plate behind the wood.
Take care,
Michel
Hi Michel
Well it depends on what side of the stator mount you look at! Look close in this video from 29 sec to 34 seconds. No metal behind the stator side of the wood, and it "runs" just fine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLlo4Yy_T9I&feature=channel
The plate on the other side will only slow it down if anything IMO.
Thoughts?
Joe
Re joe_1001101,
Did you see that his stator magnet has a press indentation about 1/8" deep that affect the magnetic field? How you call that, a quenched "U" magnet?
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on April 27, 2009, 09:56:48 PM
Re joe_1001101,
Did you see that his stator magnet has a press indentation about 1/8" deep that affect the magnetic field? How you call that, a quenched "U" magnet?
Take care,
Michel
Hey Michel,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the "press indentation about 1/8" deep". And to stay on our mini topic, please see my last post about no need for aluminum behind the stator mount piece of wood:
Take a look from 29 sec to 34 seconds for a clear shot. No metal behind the stator side of the wood, and it "runs" just fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLlo4Yy_T9I&feature=channel
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: fleubis on April 27, 2009, 07:31:46 PM
But what this "Rockwell Grade 5" aircraft aluminum is........is anybody's guess. I cannot locate anything about this and assume it is some alloy. All this matters, IMHO.
A little research indicates the main points are:
Since the experimenter claimed to have this aluminum for several years I'll assume it is an 'aircraft' aluminum alloy that must be in the 2000 series. This alloy has rather high volume of copper. Interesting since the magnetic ordering of copper and aluminum are opposite.
Copper is diamagnetic and aluminum paramagnetic.
If you think they are both non-magnetic then you may be in the wrong forum ;)
IMO, Eddy currents are not going to play a part in this except to limit rotational speed. There is enough going on when aluminum moves within a non-rotating but fluctuating magnetic flux, and that is without the stator magnet. Throw in the stator magnet it becomes so complex I'll need a fresh cup of java. (Please don't start anything about me using FEMM. I already know it isn't capable of handling multiple dimensions :) and it certainly can't handle much beyond Eddy currents while working in aluminum.)
Ha!
I posted this back on April 11th:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg170730#msg170730
And Excel60 does this on April 22nd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4uhcMW5jFs
(Really good job there Excel60)
Cool !!!
Quote from: X00013 on April 27, 2009, 08:42:18 PM
@ Q, 4 u, a maybe try? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ly66S7Yig
Merci X00013
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 27, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
Merci X00013
Queue
Great song / band too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ly66S7Yig
Here's a good small read on the aluminum types.
http://nlites.com/article_aircraft_aluminum.htm
Wondering if you took a positive lead from a car battery and hold it at the plate center and then hit the negative on the rim of the wheel, could this re-align some copper or other atoms in the plate. Nahhhhhh.
Sterling's doing a radio show, Mylow etc on now.
http://1100kfnx.com/
Aircraft aluminum is usually 6061-t6 or 7075. This is a tempered aluminum and is rated 60,000 psi for 6061 and 70,000 psi for the 7075. It's very common, we use it all the time at work.
@Michael
I don't know why you would think the current induced in the plate would equal only pico amps when the field would be as large as the force lines from the magnet on the plate and could be as much as 50% of the total field of each rotor magnet.
This would quick add up as the rotation starts. The large spacing to the stator may actually help the rotor magnets penetrate the plate.
This may also be working on just the edge of this principal and further refinement may yield a huge improvement in operation if someone actually based a design on the process.
That would make the motor operate like an AC induction motor but with the magnetic fields supplied from permanent magnets.
nyctuber:
Thank you for posting this radio show. I am still listening to it. Sterling has now really, really gone too far. He says things like..."Well we KNOW Mylow's motor worked"......"The NSA showed up and...." "He has several working motors"
@ Sterling:
Really Sterling? You know all of this for a FACT? You saw it run? Give me a break!! One of my degrees is from journalism school and the statements you are saying are not justified! you could say...."Mylow said...." blah blah blah. "He told me that....." "According to Mylow...."
This is well beyond ridiculous Sterling. First, learn a little about science and physics AND the scientific method. Then, learn a little about accurate reporting methods. I have to do this every day when I write reports on my surveillance activities. I have to write each report as though it will appear in court and I will be cross-examined on it. I strongly suggest you do the same.
I will no longer pay ANY attention to ANYTHING you write or ...ah hem, "investigate". This is nuts! maybe later, you can get a job as a school crossing guard.
Bill
A Congressman "confirmed that the NSA visited Mylow?" Really? Since when does ANY congressman admit to anything without a subpoena? AND, more importantly, since when does the NSA admit to anything without a subpoena? Even with a subpoena? Sterling, you have dived off of the deep end and it is getting worse. Some folks here, maybe most, actually have some common sense. If you want me to investigate your "investigation", just let me know and I will. You sir, are an utter joke.
Bill
Mylow is Sooooooooo scared of the MIB .
They told him to NOT have contact with Sterling.
So what does he do ? he calls Sterling to report in ::)
Oh and Sterling thinks we're going to replace ALL engines with this
contraption. ROTFLMAO
Quote from: Digjam on April 28, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
Mylow is Sooooooooo scared of the MIB .
They told him to NOT have contact with Sterling.
So what does he do ? he calls Sterling to report in ::)
Oh and Sterling thinks we're going to replace ALL engines with this
contraption. ROTFLMAO
I am puzzed by the theory of the MIB or whoever having control on this now, and yet they alow plans to be sold?
If the plans are good, this makes no sense. If they are not good, then that also makes no sense.
Mylow must have been a really good sales guy to Sterling. I'll still give the benefit of the doubt to Sterling.
So Sterling with all due respect, I think it is time to wake up and smell the coffee! Hello!!
Joe
If the NSA or the NIB wanted to shut up Mylow the first thing they would have done is put the heavy on Sterling.
Here is Sterling, blowing their cover, telling the world about Mylow and actually selling plans for the motor and they overlook him? They must be the dumbest Government agents I have ever heard of.
It seems we have a new comedy show here.
Hans von Lieven
EDIT, Sorry, I meant MIB not NIB [Too close together on the keyboard :-) ]
Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 28, 2009, 04:20:06 AM
If the NSA or the NIB wanted to shut up Mylow the first thing they would have done is put the heavy on Sterling.
Here is Sterling, blowing their cover, telling the world about Mylow and actually selling plans for the motor and they overlook him? They must be the dumbest Government agents I have ever heard of.
It seems we have a new comedy show here.
Hans von Lieven
And we thought we couldn't find another Lawrence to laugh at!
Well, we were WRONG!
This is comedy to the core....
cheers
chrisC
So.... according to Mylow, they have both of his "motors" and got him to build another while they looked over his shoulder.... if true, what do they need Mylow for??
This story makes less sense as it goes on...
Quote from: Michelinho on April 27, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
P.S.: To the naysayers, we heard you and your contribution to this thread is done. Move along and get a life.
I hope that wasn't a pop at my post, I've only made one so far in this thread, I've read the entire thing and I'm as open minded as you can get on pretty much every subject bar religion.
As I said in my post I hope he gets it working but to date it just seems like a pretty poorly crafted deception which he's already admitted to and everyone chose to ignore that and focus on getting it working, which is exactly what he said he wanted to see happen. I'm not a naysayer, and I apologise if that wasn't directly or indirectly targeting me, I'm just writing my appraisal of the situation which I'm perfectly entitled to do just as you are perfectly entitled to ignore it.
I'll take note of your advice, naysayer or not, and go back to just quietly reading this thread in the morning to see what's developed and my life, thankfully, is full and varied enough for me not to worry or contemplate acquiring a new one...
The way I see it one of three things are going to be established as true sooner or later and any of those outcomes are fine by me, either things will change for the better or they will stay the same. The people attempting a replication may replicate the motor and create a free energy device and change the world or perhaps the "BlackOps" people will release it in the summer validating everything which has gone on here or this thread will go on for a while and then fade out without anyone getting to the bottom of it... All of those outcomes are fine by me and I'm happy enough to watch any of them unfold in silence.
Peace, Hope it works and I really do hope he's not just trying to stimulate interest in the subject like he said he was.
Mylow didn't admit it was a deception. He sarcastically said 'yeah ok it's all fake' out of frustration. The steam valve sound from the radiator was supposedly proof that it was being run by air blasts. Car/truck noise from outside (He's on the 2nd floor) was supposedly a motor powering the device. Not saying the device was legit, but the 'confession' was just frustration over silly accusations.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 28, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
Mylow didn't admit it was a deception. He sarcastically said 'yeah ok it's all fake' out of frustration. The steam valve sound from the radiator was supposedly proof that it was being run by air blasts. Car/truck noise from outside (He's on the 2nd floor) was supposedly a motor powering the device. Not saying the device was legit, but the 'confession' was just frustration over silly accusations.
Yep, that's what he said. ;)
Quoteauthor=hansvonlieven
...It seems we have a new comedy show here.
Hans von Lieven
EDIT, Sorry, I meant MIB not NIB [Too close together on the keyboard :-) ]
Yea, it's getting pretty funny. Its obvious Sterling is more concerned with his financial gains than anything else.
Just another scam on the web.
NIB = Not In Black.
Maybe these guys are from a different department & showed up in flowery Hawaiian shirts.
It would make a better movie.
So why do they want us to believe that there will be massive releases of suppressed energy technologies this summer?
Make no mistake, we were meant to hear that, and getting that little statement out there was one of the major objectives of this fun little psy-ops "game". But such a statement is hardly credible, especially coming from a crew of professional liars. If we are expected to believe it at all, we will need much more:
Like a YouTube of that "Toilet Seat and Pork-pie Hat" motor operating (the motor seen in the annotated snap-shot photo). No one has to admit to anything, just post the vid of that "motor" running without comment.
If we don't see that or something similar and convincing to prove the statement very soon, then we will know it was just another psy-ops mind-frack, and the teaser about technology releases this summer was another absurd lie meant to slow us down and hinder Open Source peeps from making progress with a number of promising technologies; and/or to keep us from doing something else that could damage their clients.
Lol, the good news here is we were even more effective than we probably thought, to warrant such an elaborate game. Somewhere in the threads here (possibly in several places), people are on the right track and causing some sleepless nights ;)
We see your bet, and raise you one... Either "fold", or see it and call: And let's get this over.
i will be making another attempt at the first layout ..
That's the 3x3 *8 + 3x4 *1 config
i think i have now been able to figure out the exact layout spacing that was used on this disk so i will give it one more
shot at reproducing it. I think i have the inter spacing of the 3's and the rotor segments down to about 1 mil accuracy.
Cheers
Queue
Quote from: queue on April 28, 2009, 10:08:20 AM
i will be making another attempt at the first layout ..
That's the 3x3 *8 + 3x4 *1 config
i think i have now been able to figure out the exact layout spacing that was used on this disk so i will give it one more
shot at reproducing it. I think i have the inter spacing of the 3's and the rotor segments down to about 1 mil accuracy.
Cheers
Queue
Que,
Since you have aquired the magnets that MYLOW used and asked for help in configuring them, has MYLOW or Sterling answered your inquiries at all?
You have made a lot of effort and expense to replicate this thing. So far I have seen that your videos show no full rotation.
Since Mylow and Sterling want this new technology spread to the public they should be quick to assist you since you have shown your willingness to devote time, effort and money to this replication and the videos you produced.
I t would seem odd that your effort is not being acknowledged or being assisted in any way.
Mylow just posted a NEW video of a clean disk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqXHPpwsBPo
Chase212327
Incredible!, hes asking for people to replicate this, but seems unable or unwilling to help Queue with his replication!!
The saga continues....
Quote from: Lakes on April 28, 2009, 02:13:35 PM
Incredible!, hes asking for people to replicate this, but seems unable or unwilling to help Queue with his replication!!
The saga continues....
Well, if you believe what he said in his latest video, he's gonna reveal everything and get everybody off his back including MIB! OK, maybe the real disk will spin this time and MyLow is the new superhero. The suspense is killing me!
cheers
chrisC
Holy cow.
An open letter to Mylow
I have just looked at your latest video and would like you to consider the following:
At 2:19 into the video You talk about the individual on you tube who was "close" to replicating your work. That person was me, my youtube id is excel60. I have posted four videos and in no way did I feel I was "close" to creating a workable spinning device.
It is part of human failing to make things as complicated as possible. In all reality the devices we are working on follows the basic smot design. Simply a replusion effect between magnets. There is no mystical thing happening, no undiscoved forces acting at obscure atomic levels- it is what it is!
A person representing themselfs as your daughter posted a comment on one of my you tube videos and I suggested to her that you need only to demonstrate a working device to the public.
Why do you continue to paint yourself as the victim??? Show openly what and you have and that will remove all this confusion that only you yourself have created.
You appear to have developed a relationship with Sterling that you are comfortable with. Contact Sterling and let him know that you are willing to have him or someone else from his group or from the Overunity group to see a working device. If at this time you are not willing to do this then it's all over my friend.
Bill Mehess
Quote from: billmehess on April 28, 2009, 03:13:07 PM
An open letter to Mylow
I have just looked at your latest video and would like you to consider the following:
At 2:19 into the video You talk about the individual on you tube who was "close" to replicating your work. That person was me, my youtube id is excel60. I have posted four videos and in no way did I feel I was "close" to creating a workable spinning device.
It is part of human failing to make things as complicated as possible. In all reality the devices we are working on follows the basic smot design. Simply a replusion effect between magnets. There is no mystical thing happening, no undiscoved forces acting at obscure atomic levels- it is what it is!
A person representing themselfs as your daughter posted a comment on one of my you tube videos and I suggested to her that you need only to demonstrate a working device to the public.
Why do you continue to paint yourself as the victim??? Show openly what and you have and that will remove all this confusion that only you yourself have created.
You appear to have developed a relationship with Sterling that you are comfortable with. Contact Sterling and let him know that you are willing to have him or someone else from his group or from the Overunity group to see a working device. If at this time you are not willing to do this then it's all over my friend.
Bill Mehess
Do you think MyLow has multiple personalities? Disturbing indeed...
cheers
chrisC
Chris:
See if I am correct on this: Sterling was in Chicago just the other day right? (I appreciate that he took the time and money to do so) Sterling said that Mylow told him he no longer had any motors he could show him as they were all taken away. Flash forward just a few days and....poof! Mylow has a motor/rotor that looks suspiciously like the original one he started out with. (As seen in his latest video) Does any one else think this is a little strange? Am I missing something? Does Sterling not see this?
So, when he gets this one to "work" it will be his 3rd "working" design...2 designs AFTER he was sternly warned/threatened to quit doing this by____________(Fill in the blank with the agency of your choice)
I think your John Nash example may be in play here Chris.
Bill
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Quote from: Judges on April 28, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
HOW MUCH COPPER IS IN THE ALUMINUM????????????
Good grief Charlie Brown!!!
Does Scientific Method ring a bell with anyone?
Wish we knew more about the aluminum alloy. Previous posts say that Rockwell Grade 5 is a hardness number, however I see only hardness LETTERs on the chart. Hoping that something will indicate the alloy mixture.
Someone posted a few msgs. back,that they recognized this
material,,,that they worked with it?
Can you pove a little more info?
Regards
Judge
Aluminum 6061
Property Results
Chemistry Data :
Aluminum Balance
Chromium 0.04 - 0.35
Copper 0.15 - 0.4
Iron 0 - 0.7
Magnesium 0.8 - 1.2
Manganese 0.15 max
Other 0.15 max
Remainder Each 0.05 max
Silicon 0.4 - 0.8
Titanium 0.15 max
Zinc 0.25 max
Electrical conductivity 40% of copper.
Shear strength for O temper is 12 ksi and for T 6 temper it is 30, ksi
Physical Data : [top]
Density (lb / cu. in.) 0.098
Specific Gravity 2.7
Melting Point (Deg F) 1090
Modulus of Elasticity Tension 10
Modulus of Elasticity Torsion 3.8
I've followed this story from peswiki and other sources and I'm very sceptical.
(not sure if I have seen all videos)
The one thing I must say which I find absolutely amazing is in all videos when the disc starts to spin you never get to see the whole disc. I accept that the device is free standing and with no external attachments. But coming from a science background I can't help thinking he is just spinning it up by hand , zooming out and say ooooooo look my low friction bearings keep it spinning at almost a constant rate.
Clanzers disc has a run down time of 7 mins + with magnets on, several seconds of video of the spinning before stopping wouldn't show much discrepancy in constant speed I'd say.
(I haven't checked the rpm in the videos though having said this and accept I may be wrong)
It will be interesting to follow this story to it's conclusion but I'm baffled at the lack of simple annotated diagrams. A college kid could knock up some accurate plans in minutes for such a device. simply give a working device to Sterling for goodness sake !
There are many inconsistencies in his story and his comments in videos... far to many for me to take this seriously. If the MIB existed he would be long gone for having disobeyed direct orders and posted more videos.
Anyway....... mysteries continue
Quote from: xumed on April 28, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
I've followed this story from peswiki and other sources and I'm very sceptical.
(not sure if I have seen all videos)
The one thing I must say which I find absolutely amazing is in all videos when the disc starts to spin you never get to see the whole disc. I accept that the device is free standing and with no external attachments. But coming from a science background I can't help thinking he is just spinning it up by hand , zooming out and say ooooooo look my low friction bearings keep it spinning at almost a constant rate.
Clanzers disc has a run down time of 7 mins + with magnets on, several seconds of video of the spinning before stopping wouldn't show much discrepancy in constant speed I'd say.
(I haven't checked the rpm in the videos though having said this and accept I may be wrong)
It will be interesting to follow this story to it's conclusion but I'm baffled at the lack of simple annotated diagrams. A college kid could knock up some accurate plans in minutes for such a device. simply give a working device to Sterling for goodness sake !
There are many inconsistencies in his story and his comments in videos... far to many for me to take this seriously. If the MIB existed he would be long gone for having disobeyed direct orders and posted more videos.
Anyway....... mysteries continue
Stop!! You are making too much sense. And if this story ends soon, then what are we to do? Our daily soap opera will have ended. It will be as if they just pulled General Hospital off the air:)
Really though, this can not keep going on as is, or can it? I tend to agree with you about everything you just wrote. Does this forum have a voting system?
Joe
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OK boys the free lunch is over. Any more crap and I will just delete your posts. If you have nothing better to say, then go somewhere else. I personally feel some of you guys are an insult to the OU movement in general, jumping to conclusions that you have no basis for, so openly insulting and just trying to show how sly you guys are. You guys just wobble in here, drop a few of your Parattonian ramblings, never add any substance, and then expect to be served on a silver platter. Some of you should be banned. We have banned members for far less. That's it. Enough said.
Quote from: Fred Flintstone on April 28, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
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OK boys the free lunch is over. Any more crap and I will just delete your posts. If you have nothing better to say, then go somewhere else. I personally feel some of you guys are an insult to the OU movement in general, jumping to conclusions that you have no basis for, so openly insulting and just trying to show how sly you guys are. You guys just wobble in here, drop a few of your Parattonian ramblings, never add any substance, and then expect to be served on a silver platter. Some of you should be banned. We have banned members for far less. That's it. Enough said.
If this was in anyway directed towards me, then for the record I do add substance. For example yesterday I pointed out that there was no need for any aluminum on the other side of the stator mount. Just trying to be fair and balanced! But I agree too, this is serious stuff.
Thank you,
Joe
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 28, 2009, 03:34:28 PM
Sterling was in Chicago just the other day right? (I appreciate that he took the time and money to do so) Sterling said that Mylow told him he no longer had any motors he could show him as they were all taken away. Flash forward just a few days and....poof! Mylow has a motor/rotor that looks suspiciously like the original one he started out with. (As seen in his latest video) Does any one else think this is a little strange? Am I missing something? Does Sterling not see this?
Way more than a little strange.... ::)
So Sterling goes to Chicago and...
how many working motors did he witness? zero
what devices did he see? zero
now the 'device' is 'back' in his apartment??
what was achieved by the trip? zero
oh wait... the napkin drawing that proves it all true!!! Super duper!
Has gone beyond ridiculous........
::)
Now Mylow is going to build a small motor on a GLASS platter with a thin layer of aluminum in the center, after saying how important it was to have direct contact with the aluminum platter? This one really does not make any sense.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 28, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
Now Mylow is going to build a small motor on a GLASS platter with a thin layer of aluminum in the center, after saying how important it was to have direct contact with the aluminum platter? This one really does not make any sense.
Amazing, a smaller rotor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CUI-xt9a3Q&feature=channel_page
I think Mylow is intending on building a small working motor for Sterling and is going to ship it to him when completed...
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 28, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
I think Mylow is intending on building a small working motor for Sterling and is going to ship it to him when completed...
Do you think the MIB may mind? Serious.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 28, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
I think Mylow is intending on building a small working motor for Sterling and is going to ship it to him when completed...
Yes, that's what he stated. But come on, he just finished saying how important it was to have good contact between the magnets and aluminum platter. How could he know it will work on glass? A thin layer of aluminum in the middle would matter? He doesn't even know if it is aluminum. This thing just keeps dragging out into the Twilight Zone.
I'm composing a report of a conversation I had this morning with Mylow
http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/
The reason I'm giving you the link before I finish it is to give you a reason to back off on some of the negative comments that people have been posting on the forums.
It seems to me that Mylow is more hurt by those than he is scared by the MIB element that has been in his life.
He called me just a while ago very dejected over the negativity, especially one comment that said I was "let down" in my visit to Chicago.
That isn't true. Yes, I was hoping to see a working motor while I was there, but when I understood the circumstances, I was okay with it.
I'm honored to be counted as a close and trusted friend of Mylow's. He's a great person with a very big heart, and very brave. He doesn't deserve the treatment he's been getting, either from the MIB or from the forum members who are deriding him.
Keep up the good work, Mylow.
We're rooting for you.
Sterling
Quote from: sterlinga on April 28, 2009, 11:52:06 PM
I'm composing a report of a conversation I had this morning with Mylow
http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/
The reason I'm giving you the link before I finish it is to give you a reason to back off on some of the negative comments that people have been posting on the forums.
It seems to me that Mylow is more hurt by those than he is scared by the MIB element that has been in his life.
He called me just a while ago very dejected over the negativity, especially one comment that said I was "let down" in my visit to Chicago.
That isn't true. Yes, I was hoping to see a working motor while I was there, but when I understood the circumstances, I was okay with it.
I'm honored to be counted as a close and trusted friend of Mylow's. He's a great person with a very big heart, and very brave. He doesn't deserve the treatment he's been getting, either from the MIB or from the forum members who are deriding him.
Keep up the good work, Mylow.
We're rooting for you.
Sterling
Thanks Sterling for keeping the story going. I will admit I used to watch General Hospital back in the Luke and Laura days, and it would make you feel the same way as this episode here. Amazing.
Joe
http://blog.seriousmaterials.com/
Quote from: nyctuber on April 29, 2009, 12:36:15 AM
http://blog.seriousmaterials.com/
"U.S. Vice President, Joe Biden, was in Chicago yesterday. Was he the "important person" that met with Mylow? "
Wow, this is much better than General Hospital ever was!
Sterling, I think you don't understand that people are Sick and Tired of wasting money on Scams (maybe I am wrong, and they are not!)....
This Mylow motor was never verified or seen in person as it should have been, you must agree!!!
Has Mylow been in contact with Queue yet to help him replicate? And if Queue makes a working replication, will he also be visited by the MIB?
All the best,
Joe
Deleted by moderator.
Sterling/Mylow/Stefan PLEASE STOP. NOW.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS and a MAJOR insult to anyone who has any in interest ENERGY TECHNOLOGY.To continue this is to make mockery of what was, the foundation of research and sharing that existed here from the beginning.
If anyone is coming here and reading this thread as a beginner, please check out the rest of the site , but ;eave here now, because if you don't you may be tainted forever.
How many potential developers are/will be discouraged by this thread?
I am disgusted with the way some members have been treating Mylow as of late. I understand open source and all, but all the give me,give me,give me. Almost like he owes something to somebody. He owes nobody nothing, if anything some owe him an apology.
If you don't like the way he's conducting his videos and some of his relays through Sterling, then simply lay off and stop worrying so much about it.
What a waste of fucking energy...some of you'se are...
TheNephew
Speaking for myself here, Nephew, the simple FACT that it was Mylow that CLAIMED he did something no one else has ever been confirmed to have done in the entire history of mankind, not just once, but now with 3 totally different set-ups, means that the burden of proof is on him. The only thing I want handed to me is the truth. I will expect nothing more and accept nothing less. If someone is going to make CLAIMS of this nature and magnitude, THEY should be able to provide enough information for replication, and also find a way to have their device confirmed by others. No, they don't HAVE to do this. They can choose to do what Mylow has done. And having done it this way, I feel it is Mylow that owes US an apology. Many folks have spent hard earned cash in an attempt to replicate this "discovery." Sterling, although I disagree with the way he has handled this matter,spent both time and real money traveling to Chicago when he could have gone elsewhere. They are the ones that are owed an apology. This whole thing could have been put to bed in the early days very simply, and quickly. But instead we have all of these other fantasy land stories which appear to me, and many, many others, to be nothing more than a way out of revealing that he did not ever have a real working device at all.
Bill
@Pirate, Burden of proof? Out of his own free will Mylow decided to show you and everybody else a motor that he claims produces overunity. From my understanding, he didn't have to do that, but he did. Mylow has posted countless videos up on youtube with great detail on how to make it run. That's all Mylow's free time, he didn't have to do that. Now weather your replica has worked out for you I don't know, but I certainly don't ever remember Mylow telling ya to go out and spend your money on all this. That is your own free will.
That reminds me of a story when I was just a young teenager, I seen this add late one night on TV, the add was promoting this gaget, so I went out and bought it. I never did get the extra 4 inches the add promised me I'd get. I can tell ya one thing, I simply put it away and learned my lesson about buyer beware. I didn't cluster fuck a forum with over 260 pages of insults and garbage. And guess what, I'm still stuck with only 5 inches...
As for Mylow's claims, I'll just take it or leave it, I'm not decided yet. You should do the same.
TheNephew
@ Nephew:
I understand your point. I don't agree with it but, so be it. I will state this for the record here and now: IF Mylow's motor is ever successfully replicated, OR if a credible 3rd party witnesses it running, (Sterling, etc...) I WILL offer the largest apology ever witnessed in any forum on the internet. I will post a video of my apology and post it on youtube. I will mail an apology letter to Sterling to give to Mylow. I may have sounded harsh to some folks on here but, I have checked with any and all of my contacts in the intel field and told them this story and ALL of them say it is pure BS. Now that is not proof of anything I know, but it is good enough for me.
I guess we will just have to continue to see what happens. In the meantime, I have better things to do. Thank you for your civil reply, I do appreciate that.
Bill
One might wonder, what is wisdom in this?
The Hindu scripture the Bhâgavata Purâna says:
"Even though a mere reflection is rejected as being a real form, it is nevertheless accepted; likewise is also the substance of the purpose accepted although it is difficult to prove from speculating on one's sensual input." (http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto7/chapter15.html#Text%2058)
As long as we have no solid replicable machine to prove the reality of the ether experimentally by magnetic conversion into kinetic energy, I stick to this wisdom.
AA
joe-101-1010111000 this is not your personal soap box,,why do you
override,,and be-little everone who (hopefully) reads this?
All I see are your post!!!
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME me me me me me me
Are you on medication?
Do you have a disability
Do you have any other interest in life?
Are you high,marijuana,alcohol,whatever?
Do you find yourself in arguments with others?
Your behavior is erratic to say the least.
Do you have mood swings?
If this msg is censored,,then you will have won,
but (except for?) (because of) for the good of the moderator.
Give yourself a break,,take a couple days off,,think a bit ,,
Your Friend
Joe Smith (nick name Judge since 14,64 now)
Hi The Nephew,
People just don't see how they are acting.
As the people who cry "Wolf", insult, belittle, ridicule or by whatever way write to express their full discontent at Mylow, Sterling or any other replicator or promoter of technology untill they get hard and solid evidence that the unit works as said or shown, they only act as they are shown by their leaders.
"Let's go to war to show these barbarians how to live in a democratic way like we do." "Let's bomb them back to the stone age so they learn to live and act like we want them to live or act. Democracy and Freedom for all."
What more can I say, they are lowering themselves to the same level as their masters. That's what they do because it is the way they are told or shown by example day in day out. What we say is the truth and prove me wrong. That is the psychological analysis of the situation here that I see every day by some members of this forum. Disgusting.
I hope, for the sake of overunity.com that this stop soon or I will just give up and move to another site which respect the thinkers, researchers and replicators. Meanwhile I will refrain to post any results of my work until I see that.
Take care,
Michel
***Deleted By Poster***
In the interest of good taste.
Bill
Quote from: ellubpt on April 28, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
Que,
Since you have aquired the magnets that MYLOW used and asked for help in configuring them, has MYLOW or Sterling answered your inquiries at all?
We're doing the best we can to answer. Mostly in private emails due to some of the complexities of the situation.
Don't be too hard on me for not being able to keep up with the huge volume of messages that pass through this forum thread. If you have something really important for me, you need to send it directly to me or phone me. My contact information is easy to find on all our websites.
Let me explain something for some of you who didn't read close enough.
Mylow said he built two motors for the BlackOps, and they were in the BlackOps possession at the time I visited him. But he also told me that he had his magnets and original rotor disc at his apartment and that he could build me one and send it to me.
I think you can see why I excluded that information from the story, inasmuch as I didn't want to tip off the MIB that this was the case, inasmuch as Mylow told me that they didn't know he had the magnets he needed at hi apartment.
I say it now because Mylow divulged as much in his recent two videos.
As for the message he annotated at the beginning of his 6CUI-xt9a3Q YouTube video, he must have misunderstood something. I sent him a message last night and this morning to tell him that, and that I remain supportive.
Quote from: pinestone on April 28, 2009, 09:00:06 AM
Yea, it's getting pretty funny. Its obvious Sterling is more concerned with his financial gains than anything else.
Just another scam on the web.
I assure you we are not getting rich off this -- not in the least. We're still going in the red. Revenues have gone toward magnet purchases, trips, etc., as part of supporting the project.
We sold ~53 plans in the first 24 hours after making them available, but it dropped off logarithmically after that, down to around 1/day in the past couple of weeks.
If we ever do make a lot of money on this, it will be because it's been validated and is rocking the scientific world; and we'll be using the revenue to further support the process.
-- Sterling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IaY-mIPMzw
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2009, 11:20:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IaY-mIPMzw
Is that synchronicity or what? Youtube assigned a video identifier with "PM" in the name. Not only that, it has MyLow's initials just before that, "mlPM". Go figure.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 28, 2009, 12:35:19 AM
nyctuber:
Thank you for posting this radio show. I am still listening to it. Sterling has now really, really gone too far. He says things like..."Well we KNOW Mylow's motor worked"......"The NSA showed up and...." "He has several working motors"
I did use words like "said" and "appears" and "claims" and "if" and "it looks like". I don't recall saying anything definitively without a surrounding sentence clarifying the level of uncertainty.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 28, 2009, 12:42:51 AM
A Congressman "confirmed that the NSA visited Mylow?" Really?
I didn't say the Congress man confirmed. I said that I was told that the Congressman's secretary had confirmed but that I did not have collaboration that this had taken place and that the Congressman's office would most likely deny it.
Maybe going public and fully open wasn't the best idea in Mylow's (or other energy devices') case.
When you open a window without a screen, you let all the bugs in.
It seems to me that this is going to be the way it will always be.
It's a shame really.... :-[
So, Mylow took on the 'Black Ops' and won, had his life threatened, but doesn't care, and everything was going smoothly until someone on a messageboard mistakenly asserted that Sterling was let down by their meeting?
Check, please.
@sterlinga
I really admire your attempts. The problem is most here only have hope for such a device(OU of the 3rd kind). Quite a few have replaced hope with anger(4th kind). Very few have witnessed it(2nd kind). Even fewer have produced it(1st kind).
Then there are those who have no life except to stir the pot until all drop to their level.
IMHO...just start adding names to your 'ignore' list. Don't justify angry and idiotic comments. For the folks actually experimenting- working motor or not I enjoy my attempts and always learn something new.
Don't like my comments? I have more room on my 'ignore' list 8:)
@ Carbon,
I would say that, assuming the MYLOW story were "true" (lol a big "if" there), that if he hadn't gone public there is no way of knowing what would happen to him instead.... Perhaps fear of wide exposure and eventual Congressional investigation is keeping the MIB's "on a leash" and containing their usually "worse" bullying and intimidating tactics, who knows....
___________________
But as a "model" for Open Source... I would argue that this episode certainly IS NOT ideal ;)
> No independent verifications.
> No independent replications (yet)
> No eye witnesses beyond the "brother and wife" (and MIB lol).
> Going forward without getting the above first.
I would hope and PRAY that we are learning important lessons here for the future; and thus this episode will prove a very useful learning experience for the real "Magic Bullet" mass-replication Open Source project.. That one that DOES allow us to go public with hundreds of undeniable working replications simultaneously around the world (hehehe their greatest nightmare, and imo, their fear of that happening is the whole reason for this entire psy-ops affair) ;)
_______________________
BTW I contacted Congressman Coble's office on Monday, and still have not received a reply. Lol no surprise there, they could either still trying to make heads or tails of this crazy thing (hehehe it took me 2,500 words and 8 links to explain the whole mess), or stonewalling.. We will probably never know for sure. But it had to be tried anyway i guess.
Think about this angle, one of the strangest here in this bizarre tale: I don't think many of us believe Sterling is "lying" (I sure don't). So the actual issue is if he is being lied to or not. So when considering the "Congressman story", assuming it is a fraud, we have a suborning of either Sterling's friend, or a "secretary" in a Congressional Office... To plant the false "verification" on Sterling. "MYLOW the snickering prankster" could not have done that himself.
That alone pretty much proves that if this is a hoax it is a psy-ops professional job. The only other, but very small possibility imo, is that the thing is a hoax but the NSA visited MYLOW anyway?? Lol, in that case we have been making boogieman out of imbeciles ;) And frankly, it would not pay to underestimate the intelligence of those people.
Besides I would be interested to hear of another example of a prankster that deliberately made his home address known.
TinselKola: Would YOU tell us your home address lol ? (...Just kidding m8, PLEASE DON'T ;) )
Now Joe Biden is getting involved in this story !
This is truley the most incredible thing I have ever read.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/
"Now that it appears the the "important person" Mylow met with may have been none other than Joe Biden, that certainly causes some pause as to what I said to Mylow about the dark nature of the BlackOps. It's one thing to say it with no specific names or faces involved. But once a known face comes into focus, the dynamics change a lot, as does the believability or unbelievability.
'
Could THIS story possibly get anymore BIZZARE?
Quote from: Judges on April 29, 2009, 06:44:30 AM
joe-101-1010111000 this is not your personal soap box,,why do you
override,,and be-little everone who (hopefully) reads this?
All I see are your post!!!
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME me me me me me me
Are you on medication?
Do you have a disability
Do you have any other interest in life?
Are you high,marijuana,alcohol,whatever?
Do you find yourself in arguments with others?
Your behavior is erratic to say the least.
Do you have mood swings?
If this msg is censored,,then you will have won,
but (except for?) (because of) for the good of the moderator.
Give yourself a break,,take a couple days off,,think a bit ,,
Your Friend
Joe Smith (nick name Judge since 14,64 now)
Hi Judge
>>this is not your personal soap box,
Yes, I agree.
>>why do you override,,and be-little everone who (hopefully) reads this?
I certainly don’t mean too. There must be some type of miscommunication. Are you sure you have the right person? Do you have an example?
>>Are you on medication?
Not yet, but this thread is pushing me in that direction. :o
>>Do you have a disability?
My left small toe hurts sometimes.
>>Do you have any other interest in life?
You mean besides building/experimenting spending $$$ on OU claims? Yes. Here are just a few for now: recording bands (24 track digital), fast beautiful cars, beautiful women, loud music, cool clubs, good movies, great food, a little poker and craps gambling, etc…Total television hours in past months = zero.
>>Are you high,marijuana,
Never inhaled
>>alcohol, whatever
Having a Coors Light at the moment, but never “drunkâ€â€¦ Moderation is the key. High on Life.
>>Do you find yourself in arguments with others?
Just the opposite. Sometimes I think you have to joke around a little to defuse any potential arguments. You aren’t trying to start one are you? I won’t let it happen ;)
>>Your behavior is erratic to say the least.
I think I have pretty much stayed on course. There must be some type of miscommunication again?
>>Do you have mood swings?
No, but they seem like a cool band: http://www.moodswings.com/ 8)
More into rock and roll myself.
>>If this msg is censored,,then you will have won,
What would I have won?
Also, what’s the point of these questions in relation to there being no replications of Mylow’s motor? And the fact that Biden did not come to see Mylow?
>>but (except for?) (because of) for the good of the moderator.
>>Give yourself a break,,take a couple days off,,think a bit ,,
Well, thank you. We all need a break now and then. I believe you should take one too. Life is short, live everyday to the fullest!
I have two questions for you:
How much money do you think you have spent on experimenting, specifically involving the “Free Energy†field within the last 9 years?
Did HJ use a hand held stator while getting his patent on his magnet motor device?
Take care my friend,
Joe
p.s.
I don’t like the idea of Sterling being “played†as I believe is happening. So I’ll go along with Bill on this one:
“IF Mylow's motor is ever successfully replicated, OR if a credible 3rd party witnesses it running, (Sterling, etc...) I WILL offer the largest apology ever witnessed in any forum on the internet. I will post a video of my apology and post it on youtube. I will mail an apology letter to Sterling to give to Mylow. “ - Bill
Regards,
Joe
Quote from: sterlinga on April 29, 2009, 11:39:02 AM
I didn't say the Congress man confirmed. I said that I was told that the Congressman's secretary had confirmed but that I did not have collaboration that this had taken place and that the Congressman's office would most likely deny it.
Er. looks like MyLow is going to pull everything off the YouTube because he is truly pissed off with the O.U crowd! See the text overlay on his last video. Sorry Sterling, you won't get to see a real MyLow motor after all. What a waste!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 29, 2009, 10:30:00 PM
Er. looks like MyLow is going to pull everything off the YouTube because he is truly pissed off with the O.U crowd! See the text overlay on his last video. Sorry Sterling, you won't get to see a real MyLow motor after all. What a waste!
cheers
chrisC
Yeah, death threats from MIB's don't bother him but negative comments on a messageboard do. Whatever, Mylow. Good luck buddy.
Hi..new poster here. I've been following this saga on PESWiki and must say the Joe Biden angle has me scratching my head. The VPOTUS is involved with a conspiracy?
Of course, I'm equally amazed that someone who supposedly holds a big key to the world's future energy problems has such thin skin. So what, someone disagreed with you Mylow and you're just going to give up? You've been working on this for 20 years, so now you're going to take your ball and run home?
You can stand up to the NSA/CIA/MIB and even the Vice President, but Sterling's comment upset you to go invent in secret?
Why don't you throw all of us a bone and tell us what the motor model number is that you pulled the magnets used in the stator?
Here's hoping you'll get past all of this and release this to the world. This needs to be replicated and the effects verified. Wouldn't you want to have been proven right?
Mylow has a short video up. New layout of rotor magnets. Even symmetry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIN-nbcwEk
Quote from: carbonc_cc on April 30, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
Mylow has a short video up. New layout of rotor magnets. Even symmetry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIN-nbcwEk
OMG MAKE IT STOP
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 12:35:47 AM
OMG MAKE IT STOP
Did you mean, make it 'START'? 27 seconds is way too short!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 30, 2009, 12:37:14 AM
Did you mean, make it 'START'? 27 seconds is way too short!
cheers
chrisC
LOL I can't take any more!
@Mylow
2 bad 2 c u go.
i would still be interested in attempting to replicate one of your working disks.
If you change your mind about things contact me anytime either through Sterling or write to me ..
QC at Relativity dot CA
Cheers
Queue
OMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
HE F***ING DID IT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 01:36:26 AM
HE F***ING DID IT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
Fact is stranger than fiction! Congratulations MyLow!
cheers
chrisC
ps: Now Sterlinga can sell a million blueprints.....
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 01:25:10 AM
OMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
AWESOME!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've been keeping up with this saga since it started,
checking the blackberry every five minutes practically.
I was listening to Free Energy Now in the grocery store for god's sake.
i thought i was already a believer, but i must not have fully or i must have started doubting,
because when i saw the most recent video with no possibility of tricks,
man, my heart just leapt. i swear i think i teared up a little.
i'm really so excited i'm not even interested in handing out humble pie and crow sauce to those that truly deserve it.
this is a great day. i hope mylow will be alright.
Great Video.
But nothing has changed since his first
video of a spinning wheel.
so far we have seen at least 3 different
setups, maybe 4 . The fact still remains
that until someone verifies it, it is just a video.
When you get ready to listen to logic and
common sense I'll explain to you why it's
not what it appears to be.
And I'll bet that he nevers lets anyone physically
examine it.
And Just so you know. I too wanted it to be real.
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 02:22:51 AM
Great Video.
But nothing has changed since his first
video of a spinning wheel.
so far we have seen at least 3 different
setups, maybe 4 . The fact still remains
that until someone verifies it, it is just a video.
When you get ready to listen to logic and
common sense I'll explain to you why it's
not what it appears to be.
And I'll bet that he nevers lets anyone physically
examine it.
And Just so you know. I too wanted it to be real.
Everyone here knows the logic/common sense reasons why it 'can't' be real. However, there are gaps in science when it comes to magnetism at the quantum level. We all know it's useless unless it can be replicated.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 02:27:22 AM
Everyone here knows the logic/common sense reasons why it 'can't' be real. However, there are gaps in science when it comes to magnetism at the quantum level. We all know it's useless unless it can be replicated.
But the reasons it isn't real has nothing to do with magnetism.
I too believe a magnet motor is possible
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 02:32:51 AM
But the reasons it isn't real has nothing to do with magnetism.
I too believe a magnet motor is possible
If you have a thought, then just state it.
It has most likely been covered in the 267 pages of the thread, but please be my guest.
I've uploaded a copy of the video:
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: George Noory ; JR at Rense.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:34 AM
Subject: SUCCESS: Fw: Mylow spinning motor w/ bar magnets
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GXGhEZ4qg
I'm composing a story here:
http://pesn.com/2009/04/30/9501533_Mylow-posts-running-bar-magnet-motor/
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Fred Burks
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:01 AM
Subject: Fw: Mylow spinning motor w/ bar magnets
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup ; Mylow newsletter
Cc: NE Congress Tech Review egroup ; Jim Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: Mylow spinning motor w/ bar magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y
I'll be uploading it to the PESNetwork account.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 02:49:17 AM
If you have a thought, then just state it.
It has most likely been covered in the 267 pages of the thread, but please be my guest.
The one thing he forgot about in all his videos
was Newton's 3rd law.
"For every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction"
now while in this last video the stator magnet
did move up and down .. you see absolutely
no radial movement of the stator arm.
There are 36 magnets on the rotor .
now I don't know what the rotor weighs, but I
am sure that it is much more than the stator
assembly.
The stator assembly is just sitting free on the
table. To turn the rotor at the speed that it turns
the stator assembly would move radially in the
opposite direction of the rotor rotation.Even if
it were glued down, it would flex.Therefore, the
Stator is NOT moving the rotor.
This can be observed in all of his videos where
the disk is spinning.
Sterling:
After watching the video, I am warming up my apology. But, in the meantime, please get Mylow to send you that motor or, have him let you see it in person. That is the last link in the chain as far as I am concerned. What I have posted previously not withstanding, I do trust your opinion and if you witness this in person, then, it is real. If he sends it to you, and you get it to run, then it is a done deal and, of course, the story of the century.
Please try to do this. My guess is that, you are already working on this.
I want this to be real, I really do. Just put this to bed one way or the other and get to the bottom of it.
Thank you,
Bill
Sterling,
I hope you know that paying all that money to visit MYLOW was not in vain, even though he didn't have a running motor at the time.
Your friendship, your words at lunch, and his thinking that he'd disappointed you was what I think set him working non-stop for the last 3 days to get one going again and post it in defiance of the pressure against him. it's amazing. i'm just so thrilled.
it's 3:10am.
i should probably go count sheep,
on a giant spinning aluminum plate.
Best Regards,
KG
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 03:03:01 AM
The one thing he forgot about in all his videos
was Newton's 3rd law.
"For every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction"
now while in this last video the stator magnet
did move up and down .. you see absolutely
no radial movement of the stator arm.
There are 36 magnets on the rotor .
now I don't know what the rotor weighs, but I
am sure that it is much more than the stator
assembly.
The stator assembly is just sitting free on the
table. To turn the rotor at the speed that it turns
the stator assembly would move radially in the
opposite direction of the rotor rotation.Even if
it were glued down, it would flex.Therefore, the
Stator is NOT moving the rotor.
This can be observed in all of his videos where
the disk is spinning.
The stators are attached to small blocks which flex, not directly to the stator arm. It's an adjustment device he uses for experimentation.
I guess you didn't see the previous videos where he taped down the stator assembly to prevent movement.
And if you're saying that fairly thick channel aluminum or the solid aluminum he used early on would visibly flex in his setup, I would have to disagree 100%.
And don't forget, the bar magnets he's using now are certainly more powerful than the channel magnets. You didnt see the movent in earlier videos because he wasnt working with nearly as much pull.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2009, 03:08:02 AM
Sterling:
After watching the video, I am warming up my apology. But, in the meantime, please get Mylow to send you that motor or, have him let you see it in person. That is the last link in the chain as far as I am concerned. What I have posted previously not withstanding, I do trust your opinion and if you witness this in person, then, it is real. If he sends it to you, and you get it to run, then it is a done deal and, of course, the story of the century.
Please try to do this. My guess is that, you are already working on this.
I want this to be real, I really do. Just put this to bed one way or the other and get to the bottom of it.
Thank you,
Bill
@Bill & Sterlinga
I echo Bill's apology and I count myself in too. We all want to believe and are indeed thrilled if this is truly real!
MyLow is a super-hero beyond doubt. There is only one way to verify it.
You Must get there or have him send it to you to independently verify. Hey I'm sure TinselKoala will gladly part with his $1000 to buy you a return air ticket in order to verify this! TK, are you putting your money where your mouth is?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 03:13:05 AM
The stators are attached to small blocks which flex, not directly to the stator arm. The shiny bar on top keeps them from moving too far.
I guess you didn't see the previous videos where he taped down the stator assembly to prevent movement.
And if you're saying that fairly thick channel aluminum would visibly flex in his setup, I would have to disagree 100%.
Look Closely at the 27 second video as he pans
The Stator assembly is just sitting on the blocks
of wood.But even with the blocks of wood, the
stator assembly doesn't weigh near as much
as the rotor.. the arm appears to be 3/4 inch
aluminum channel approx 16" long, and about 6"
high with 6" feet with rubber pads.
Believe me, it would flex trying to turn the rotor.
But we will never know for sure until it is verified
one way or another.
Edit:the arm is about 20 inches long
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 03:30:39 AM
Look Closely at the 27 second video as he pans
The Stator assembly is just sitting on the blocks
of wood.But even with the blocks of wood, the
stator assembly doesn't weigh near as much
as the rotor.. the arm appears to be 3/4 inch
aluminum channel approx 16" long, and about 6"
high with 6" feet with rubber pads.
Believe me, it would flex trying to turn the rotor.
But we will never know for sure until it is verified
one way or another.
Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. The 'weight' of the rotor would be entirely unrelated to the stator assembly flexing. Perhaps you meant bearing resistance/ friction. The only relevant forces are magnetic. The stator assembly weighs plenty with the magnets and adjustment device attached. Aluminum is extremely stiff btw, you'd know this if you've ever ridden an aluminum frame bicycle.
P.S. How did you figure he got the blocks on the adjustment device to flex as the disk gained speed?
Way to go Mylow!
Very exciting to see your new bar magnet motor running. Please do not disassemble it. Please, please, please let your good friend Sterling come and see it in person. Sterling has had so very much faith in you, and supported you this entire time. PLEASE be kind enough to return the favor to Sterling -- I think he's truely earned it!
Congratulation!!!
Chase212327
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 03:35:57 AM
Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. The 'weight' of the rotor would be entirely unrelated to the stator assembly flexing. Perhaps you meant bearing resistance/ friction. The only relevant forces are magnetic. The stator assembly weighs plenty with the magnets and adjustment device attached. Aluminum is extremely stiff btw, you'd know this if you've ever ridden an aluminum frame bicycle.
P.S. How did you figure he got the blocks on the adjustment device to flex as the disk gained speed?
A Stator assembly pushes a rotor to achieve rotation.
Therefore the same force required to
rotate the rotor is applied to the stator.
A 20" piece of 3/4" alum channel is very flexible,
even with the legs.( and the channel appears to
be approx 1/16" thick)
The up down motion of the stator mags/slider
is due to the repulsion of the magnets when
the rotor magnets are under the stator magnets.
They move up when over the mags and down
when they are over the wide gap.
You know me I try to stay open minded on all claims I see and try to replicate most designs I come across, not because I believe every claim I see, but because I want to see proof for myself and the only way in my mind is to try it.
The Mylow Saga, has been one of those claims that has followed a weird path to say the least and I really do hope this last video is real.
What worries me at the moment is that we were shown a couple of days ago in one of Mylows videos was a small battery operated motor and I still do not see why?
Mylow did everything right in the last video, apart from at the end to simply move the Cross bar out the way and lift the Rotor off the bearing mount. If this had happened I would be also shouting from the roof tops and be straight back into the workshop.
As usual staying open minded and all good fun :)
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
A Stator assembly pushes a rotor to achieve rotation.
Therefore the same force required to
rotate the rotor is applied to the stator.
A 20" piece of 3/4" alum channel is very flexible,
even with the legs.( and the channel appears to
be approx 1/16" thick)
The up down motion of the stator mags/slider
is due to the repulsion of the magnets when
the rotor magnets are under the stator magnets.
They move up when over the mags and down
when they are over the wide gap.
Are you completely unaware that the rotor is spinning on a bearing assembly? Do you have the slightest clue as to how that differs from trying to move a stationary object on a non-bearing surface? Do you know what the flywheel effect is?
The stators are mounted on the adjustment device. It flexes. As it is NOT CONNECTED on it's sides to the stator support bar, do you get why the support bar would have essentially no relevant flex torsion?
Of all the times to be dealing with a silly argument this really isn't one I'd prefer.
Clanzer:
I agree! And I posted a youtube response to the effect that if Mylow had produced this video in the beginning, things would have been much different. He does need to have Sterling come out there, or, at least, send that motor to Sterling before he takes it apart. If/when that is done and Sterling confirms this, I will retract every negative thing I have ever posted here. I am not there yet but, this last step needs to happen or, we are back where we started.
We are all in this together for better or worse, and I would like to see a good conclusion to this saga.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2009, 04:03:43 AM
Clanzer:
I agree! And I posted a youtube response to the effect that if Mylow had produced this video in the beginning, things would have been much different. He does need to have Sterling come out there, or, at least, send that motor to Sterling before he takes it apart. If/when that is done and Sterling confirms this, I will retract every negative thing I have ever posted here. I am not there yet but, this last step needs to happen or, we are back where we started.
We are all in this together for better or worse, and I would like to see a good conclusion to this saga.
Bill
Yes indeed. I actually sent TK a PM to see if he will pay Sterlinga to go check it out! After all, he has posted his $1K bet on youTube.
I got to go to bed. It's 1.10 am. Sure was a topsy turvey day!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 30, 2009, 03:55:36 AM
You know me I try to stay open minded on all claims I see and try to replicate most designs I come across, not because I believe every claim I see, but because I want to see proof for myself and the only way in my mind is to try it.
The Mylow Saga, has been one of those claims that has followed a weird path to say the least and I really do hope this last video is real.
What worries me at the moment is that we were shown a couple of days ago in one of Mylows videos was a small battery operated motor and I still do not see why?
Mylow did everything right in the last video, apart from at the end to simply move the Cross bar out the way and lift the Rotor off the bearing mount. If this had happened I would be also shouting from the roof tops and be straight back into the workshop.
As usual staying open minded and all good fun :)
Cheers
Sean.
The thing in the photo is out of a supermarket scanner or something similar. Not a battery powered device at all as far as I can tell. Somewhat similar to the VCR motor Queue uses for a bearing.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 04:03:23 AM
Are you completely unaware that the rotor is spinning on a bearing assembly? Do you have the slightest clue as to how that differs from trying to move a stationary object on a non-bearing surface?
The stators are mounted on the adjustment device. It flexes. As it is NOT CONNECTED on it's sides to the stator support bar, do you get why the support bar would have essentially no relevant flex torsion?
Of all the times to be dealing with a silly argument this really isn't one I'd prefer.
It doesn't matter that it has bearings .
Watch the video again.. watch when he stops it,
and then lets it restart. The stator mags move
up and down, but have NO radial flex .. the
assembly has enough freedom to flex sideways
also, but doesn't. If the stator were driving the
rotor, it would also flex sideways as it pushed
OR pulled the rotor.
Quote from: Digjam on April 30, 2009, 04:12:58 AM
It doesn't matter that it has bearings .
Watch the video again.. watch when he stops it,
and then lets it restart. The stator mags move
up and down, but have NO radial flex .. the
assembly has enough freedom to flex sideways
also, but doesn't. If the stator were driving the
rotor, it would also flex sideways as it pushed
OR pulled the rotor.
That is completely wrong. All of the force vectors are being absorbed and dissipated by the flex of the adjustment device. Please stop wasting my time with this silly argument.
Rather then trying to discredit him because of any little oversight or misunderstanding, we should be trying to verify his work. What's the worst that could happen if he's fake? He'll make a video where he laughs to himself about how trusting we are.
But is the chance of that happening really worth risking the chance of it actually working?
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 04:21:30 AM
That is completely wrong. All of the force vectors are being absorbed and dissipated by the flex of the adjustment device. Please stop wasting my time with this silly argument.
I'll bet that no one is ever allowed to verify
so we will never know.
Quote from: Nihilanth on April 30, 2009, 04:26:09 AM
Rather then trying to discredit him because of any little oversight or misunderstanding, we should be trying to verify his work. What's the worst that could happen if he's fake? He'll make a video where he laughs to himself about how trusting we are.
But is the chance of that happening really worth risking the chance of it actually working?
I'd love for it to be real,
But this video is no more convincing than the
first video in which he showed rotation.
Well, if you're not convinced, rather then trying to make everyone else think he's a fake, you could be doing something useful, like trying to make your own Free Energy.
I too want this to be real, just needs Sterling or PMM tester to see it running in person, will TinselKoala pay for an airline ticket?
I'm assuming the rotors are all like-pole facing up?
Mylow also mentions something about 'pole switching.' due to the two stators.
hi,
I hate messages such as 'instead of making people think he's fake, you could be doing something yourself, from Nihilanth!
just think about what you've said, what right have you to ASSUME no one is doing this already, did you ASK first?
Just in case you're so wet behind your ears that you don't know; ALL the OU claims that include rotating magnet assemblies, have been proven to be false! of course that doesn't necessarily mean that the inventor set out to deceive, merely misunderstands what energy is!
FYI, one HP is 550ft pounds in 1 second, or in metric 83kg metres, or electrically 746 watts / second
do you really think a toy that, on a bad day can't produce enough energy to overcome the milliwatt bearing resistance is a real contender?
Please do your research BEFORE you produce a glib answer like ' of course experimentation will lead to a scaling factor,' because it hasn't in about 150 years; and, instead of criticising, what are you doing personally to advance this concept?
I DID post about 2 weeks ago that this energy comes from 'domain flipping', in which one magnet becomes very marginally cooler, taking energy from ambient. I also said that the only TRUE definition of OU is where the device accellerates rapidly, and needs electrical or mechanical braking to prevent overspeed; which, of course is a PTO (power take off)
Some people deflect all progress, by shouting loudly when a myth is broken, or a sacred cow is trodden on, but, until ALL GROUPS (bar very few) reject the dross and concentrate on what very little is left, we'll get NOWHERE!
BTW, for the 'uninitiated,' genuine OU, if attainable by us, without exotic and costly experimentation, will be VIA accepted physics, not in complete disregard of it!
To conclude, it doesn't need any testing whatsoever to see that this device, even if it could be persuaded to turn at a few hundred RPM on a good day is of no use whatsoever!
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv0Zn7vhIEI&feature=ch%20annel_page
about 1.30
and have people ever read "NOTES ON AN UNIPOLAR DYNAMO"
bye
Hi,
I have indeed studied 'unipolar dynamos', although i probably haven't read the literature you refer to!
They have one fascinsting aspect, which was discovered by Faraday, and called 'Faraday's Paradox', worthy of much thought!
I'll explain simply, you have a vertical circular magnet, a disc or rod, with the N. pole upwards (only example), it doesn't matter which pole.
ROTATE a wire concentrically to this pole, and you produce a voltage and current, according to Fleming's rule.
NEXT, hold the wire stationary and rotate the pole axially, exactly as you rotated the wire. RESULT, NOTHING!!!
known from I think 1858, the only electrical (or mechanical) device which would appear not to have an equal and opposite newtonian reaction!
Now to the practicalities, homopolar motors / generators have been dead commercially since high power electronics and transformers; reason, generate about 1.5 volts at even 100,000 amps, very useful for electroplating in the old days, but a total nightmare to get this out on a brushgear, Mercury, molten lead, many exotic methods, all VERY costly, both mechanically and efficiency wise!
The example between this and a 'conventionally wound' motor is the vast number of turns, when, in reality a homopolar generator only has a HALF turn. My quest over the years is twofold, firstly to see how to WIND more turns; and providing a TIGHT magnetic coupling; so far, haven't succeeded.
The attainable goals if this can be achieved are 1. apparently NO BACK EMF (think carefully about implications), and 2. It MIGHT be possible to build a motor without torque reaction, ie if your electric hand drill jammed in a job, the handle wouldn't go round and round!
Indeed a fascinating subject!
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness
@Digjam
You only see what you want to see. For every action there is......
Yeh but in this case there are two actions one stator on each side of the stator bridge. So a push from one side and a pull form the other side cancels each other to not move the bridge. The up and down of the stator is the only thing left possible because of how the mechanism is mounted.
Observation is one thing, but if you in fact did any type of Mylow mock-up you would realize that the magnetic forces applied given the height of the stator are very light. You can see this when he starts it up. There is JUST enough to get it to turn and then there is momentum that builds up through inertia.
There is also something else that is happening but Mylow did not focus close enough on the rotors. The turning disk itself will also push ever so slightly downward as it goes through the stator zone then come back up. I had mentioned this before, because I can see it on my wheel.
All of this now confirms the veracity of this phenomenon because each build had its own variables that Mylow compensated for. First videos with almost dead rotors/stator magnets had the stator up close. Next videos with stronger stator had is placed further away. Current video with bar rotors with stator far away and on top.
All these effects ARE REAL because the intrinsic magnetic differences on each builds were compensated for by Mylows ability to find the right spot.
This also shows that this wheel cannot be built intellectually. There is a certain feel that one must understand and I know @queue and others that are building know what I am talking about. But don't get dissuaded by failure. This is only a learning process and once you get it right, once you pass the 99% to hit 100%, this will become more evident to you guys.
Thanks Mylow for hanging in there.
Quote from: wattsup on April 30, 2009, 07:45:13 AM
This also shows that this wheel cannot be built intellectually. There is a certain feel that one must understand and I know @queue and others that are building know what I am talking about. But don't get dissuaded by failure. This is only a learning process and once you get it right, once you pass the 99% to hit 100%, this will become more evident to you guys.
Got to agree with you on this point. If this is the Real Deal and Mylow has done it, then he is using his intuition and hell of alot of patience to align these magnets and hence get the effect needed.
If this is the case, then we are talking every build is going to need custom tweaking and will not be a simple case of getting the same magnets and glueing them on in the same positions.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 30, 2009, 08:07:46 AM
Got to agree with you on this point. If this is the Real Deal and Mylow has done it, then he is using his intuition and hell of alot of patience to align these magnets and hence get the effect needed.
If this is the case, then we are talking every build is going to need custom tweaking and will not be a simple case of getting the same magnets and glueing them on in the same positions.
How do you figure the poles are oriented on the bar magnet rotors? It could only work if the top surface is a single pole, right?
Due to recent development in this case,
the Mylow Backup page at http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
will be maintained online.
Moreover, a video and audio analysis will be made within days.
LightRider
"Who you are shouts so loudly that
I can't hear what you are saying"
Decided to do a replication attempt
Magnetized stepper rotor (they didn't have those in Marlow's days)
Primary experimentation looks promising
I have observed this phenomena first hand several years ago,while servicing older CRT monitors.
A spinning magnet supported by two other magnets is NOT new!
Will post again when successful.
Time to sepetate the wheat from the chaff,
trolling this board daily does nothing.
Sorry for any hurt pride,feelings,disgust,
shame,contempt(and the rest,10 in all)
Will post again with results
now back to the regular scheduled bullshit
if that's what makes you happy.
Judge
note to replicators.I think each magnet should be "felt" to the relationship of the
adjoining magnet.Then each pair"felt"w/stator.
okay....did mylow get his optical disk drive actually running...I can't seem to find a working video anywhere....the link on clanzer's post doesn't seem to work...
any suggestions?
...searching far and wide currently...
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
okay....did mylow get his optical disk drive actually running...
he said he was going to work on that for sterling
after finishing the larger unit.
whether it will work without being solid aluminum i don't know
and i'm surprised that he is so confident it will.
I will be in the field (pun intended) all day today for my work. Can anyone please look up Radio Shack magnets on the web and see if you can post anything on those rotor magnets. lol
Quote from: wattsup on April 30, 2009, 09:19:40 AM
I will be in the field (pun intended) all day today for my work. Can anyone please look up Radio Shack magnets on the web and see if you can post anything on those rotor magnets. lol
The magnets Mylow uses are not in Radio-Shack's online catalog. Their website has rectangular ceramic magnets, but no square ones like Mylow uses. Here we go again with the magnets.
I feel like a voice in the wilderness here. This motor as show by Mylow DOES NOT WORK!!!
Look at my youtube under excel60 and you will see there is no chance of this type of spinning action using these magnets. I know my replication is not as sophicated as Mylows but it was not necessary to do so to show the principal of working or not, I have a large and extremely well stocked shop and can produce anything at almost any level.
I am sure that no one will be able to replicate his work. All this nonsense about special
"sub atomic" science running his device is just not factual. The banging you are hearing is the stator entering the gate between the sets of radio shack magnets.
I would LOVE this to be working but it is not.
All he has to do is to show this in public but as usuall he will not do this. He even says this (again) is his last video. Anyone could replicate this in an afternoon or should I say attempt to replicate this.
I expect to be flamed for this post but that's ok. I know what I see.
Quote from: billmehess on April 30, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
I feel like a voice in the wilderness here. This motor as show by Mylow DOES NOT WORK!!!
Look at my youtube under excel60 and you will see there is no chance of this type of spinning action using these magnets. I know my replication is not as sophicated as Mylows but it was not necessary to do so to show the principal of working or not, I have a large and extremely well stocked shop and can produce anything at almost any level.
I am sure that no one will be able to replicate his work. All this nonsense about special
"sub atomic" science running his device is just not factual. The banging you are hearing is the stator entering the gate between the sets of radio shack magnets.
I would LOVE this to be working but it is not.
All he has to do is to show this in public but as usuall he will not do this. He even says this (again) is his last video. Anyone could replicate this in an afternoon or should I say attempt to replicate this.
I expect to be flamed for this post but that's ok. I know what I see.
Well then, his latest video shows another motor rotating forcefully. So this doesn't work either, I guess.
If Mylows motor works have him pick it up and move it in one complete camera shot to another spot in his room. Really guys this does not work!!!
Also this type of configuration does not "speed up" and then "find equilbrium". It's easy to build. Try it and you will see what I mean.
And now he is going to disassemble it after he has a world shaking, Nobel winning device? Does that sound even being close to logical to you. Again he will show this to no one other than a youtube video.
One Thousand dollars.
All he has to do is show the motor to 2 scientists or engineers from the local University, and have them verify on camera that his device does what he says it does, without external power.
I've got the cash right here.
And I'm quite sure someone will let me know when MyLOW allows this independent verification by qualified persons.
(At least it's easier to say "You've been MyLOWed" than it is to say "You've been ArcherQuinned.")
I would BESEECH you, Mylow, to please allow an independent verification via eye witnesses and off-site tests. This MUST be the next step to see your work vindicated and moved forward.
Your desire to not have people come into your home is fully understandable, but this can be easily overcome.
NEC Representatives could meet you at a parking lot somewhere, and they could take the device to their hotel (accompanied by you, if you like, so it is never out of your sight...). Then the device can be run and documented at the hotel for a day, and then returned to you.
This or a similar plan would preserve your privacy yet allow the most basic and fundamental requirement for this technology to be accepted, to finally happen.
Such a thing MUST be done, "good science" and common sense demands it for acceptance. And acceptance is the requirement to go forward in a positive manner, for your work to have meaning.
It has nothing to do with any questions of personal credibility: if Albert Einstein had a working all-magnet motor, you can believe that the same would have been required of him ;)
It also takes the heat off of Sterling who has been your friend and defender all along, and who has taken as big or bigger hit than you from the community.
So please allow an independent verification of your work, as soon as something can be arranged. You appear to have been caught up in something that is mind-boggling in scope, and is beyond anything a person should have to bear, and that on the face of it, could be historic and paradigm-shattering.
Yet the path has not ended and this hill must be climbed to get to the other side... But from there the going gets a lot easier ;)
Quoteauthor=jibbguy
So please allow an independent verification of your work...
I totally agree. This latest video seems valid. Don't take it apart. Let an independent check it out. It's easy to do & it will lead to your credibility. (Sterling's, too).
Then we can all move into replication & have them running all around the world.
So, I'm completely new to OU and PMMs, and such. I would definitely be considered a lay person in this area. I'm researching the topic because of the obvious implications it would have for human freedom if we could produce abundant energy. My question is, what in this latest video has everyone so excited? I didn't really see anything in this video that seemed more amazing than the earlier ones.
What am I missing?
My question is which video is the latest one.. lots out there.. under what youtube user name?
This is nothing new. MYLOW shows another spinning device. Same questions arise. What magnets? What orientation? Etc.
This is about the third or fourth different configuration of stators and rotors he "says" have produced greater than 360 degrees rotation .
I have been trying many attempts myself. No 360 degrees .
This latest video seems to have everyone all excited again ,but, it will lead to the same path as before. The only way to verify and learn to replicate is by third party examination. As in the past, MYLOW has not allowed this to happen. "Something" has always come up. I suspect "something will come up/happen" again. Unfortunately, though , I wish otherwise.
I do not see what causes the equilibrium effect to be overcome in this motor.
Quote from: FalconGK81 on April 30, 2009, 11:53:13 AM
So, I'm completely new to OU and PMMs, and such. I would definitely be considered a lay person in this area. I'm researching the topic because of the obvious implications it would have for human freedom if we could produce abundant energy. My question is, what in this latest video has everyone so excited? I didn't really see anything in this video that seemed more amazing than the earlier ones.
What am I missing?
Nothing, until this is witnessed by a reliable third party, this is the obvious next step...
Or Mylow ships a demo unit to Sterling.
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 30, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
My question is which video is the latest one.. lots out there.. under what youtube user name?
This one, posted yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GXGhEZ4qg
Quote from: Lakes on April 30, 2009, 04:41:20 AM
I too want this to be real, just needs Sterling or PMM tester to see it running in person, will TinselKoala pay for an airline ticket?
@Lakes
TK's reply to my earlier inquiry regarding your statement.
"Re: You lost your $1000!
No, if you recall, the thousand dollars is for 2 scientists or engineers from the university to verify that Mylow has what he has claimed. When he does show some independent confirmation, I'll send him the cash.
Hire Sterling? No, you've got that backwards. Sterling should have hired me, in the first place.
Don't worry, Mylow doesn't have a running motor, and my money is safe.
What do you think of his MIB/NSA story now? Rather inconsistent, wouldn't you say? Even more than before.
Feel free to post this on OU if you like.
--TK "
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on April 30, 2009, 12:41:56 PM
@Lakes
TK's reply to my earlier inquiry regarding your statement.
"Re: You lost your $1000!
No, if you recall, the thousand dollars is for 2 scientists or engineers from the university to verify that Mylow has what he has claimed. When he does show some independent confirmation, I'll send him the cash.
Hire Sterling? No, you've got that backwards. Sterling should have hired me, in the first place.
Don't worry, Mylow doesn't have a running motor, and my money is safe.
What do you think of his MIB/NSA story now? Rather inconsistent, wouldn't you say? Even more than before.
Feel free to post this on OU if you like.
--TK
cheers
chrisC
Yes, I second that. Your money will be safe for ever. Mylow hasn't, doesn't, and will never have an all magnet motor. No need for validation from independent party. Magnetism is of the same nature as gravity. See it this way, in the same fashion you can't oscilate a point mass along an incline plane using gravity alone, you can never oscilate a point mass under magetic influence alone regardless of configuration.
Have no doubt, your money is safe regardless of what Mylow posts on youtube and regardless of what Sterling reports. It's a fake dude.
Miki out.
Sterling, please take the advice of one of Peswiki board member and save its reputation and credibility. I know it's your baby, I give you credit and thank you for putting it together. If you're in financial trouble, I will be gladly to help out in fundraising. But please stop this insanity.
Miki out.
Yes
Airplanes where FAKE for quite some time also
Chet
Hmmm
stator going up and down
coil in the wall ???
overriding the sticky spot
the yo-yo thread continues
cat
I've had a couple of calls from Mylow this morning. I'm going to be giving a more full report later today, but for now I wanted to pass on some crucial information for those of you wanting to replication Version 2.0 shown last night.
The polarity of magnetism of the rotor magnets is not what I had presumed. It is not through the length. It is through the thickness. The top is N and the bottom is S.
He said "Radio Shack used to sell these like crazy." Maybe one of you could get on the phone with Radio Shack and get the part number, material, and dimensions and magnetism polarity specs, and possibly talk them into bring them back into stock. But before you tell them why you're inquiring, get the specs. Then you can ask about the possibility of getting them back into stock. Feel free to point them to our PESN story to let them know why. If anyone starts gouging, then other magnet distributors can beat their price. We've got a number of entities interested in being our recommended supplier for these. We will base our recommendation on price, reliability, service.
Mylow has already told us that the polarity of magnetism of the stator magnets is from leg to leg, as reorientation through the magnetizer that AllMagnetics.com lent Mylow.
He said the bottoms of the rotor magnets should have as much contact with the surface of the aluminum as possible.
The dimensions (remember, this is Mylow speaking, he doesn't do tape measures) of the Rotor magnets are approximately 1/2 inch thick (both dimensions) by 2.25 inches long.
He thinks the stator magnets are about 2.5" long and about 3/4" wide.
[One of you who has the screen grab and measurement skills should calculate the magnet sizes from the video shots. He gives some good top, side views that should make this fairly straight forward. We know the rotor disc is about 17.8 inches in diameter. By the way, for those of you who are puzzled by his finger size compared to the earlier magnet dimensions given, Mylow is very short -- around 5 foot; hence the hand-magnet ratio will be different that what might think at first.]
He thinks the motor would have been much stronger if the magnets went all the way around (minus one position [what he told me when I met with him in Chicago]). He said when you get that configuration, which is what he did for the BlackOps, it's hard to get the thing to stop.
The difficult part of this is getting the spacings right -- between the rotor magnets and between the rotor magnets and the stator magnet, and the position of the stator magnet. That's what took him three days to get right, and he has a knack for this stuff. "But once you get it, it's easy [to replicate to another]."
He said he thinks those [NeoForm] neos will work for the stator magnets, as shown at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Howard_Johnson_Magnets
(he said that after 3.5 days of trying he couldn't get the "cupcake" to run because it wasn't aluminum and the steel in the bearings)
I'm working on a Version 2.0 set of plans. That's my primary task for today, even before I do a write-up on my conversations this morning with Mylow.
I know there are a lot of people anxious to get going on replications of version 2.0, and I want to get as much information as we have compiled for the purpose.
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Also, Could I talk someone into getting some measurements for us on the components of Mylow's new design?
stator magnet dimensions
rotor magnet dimensions
gap relationship (from top shot) between rotor spacing and stator spacing
Thanks
Sterling
Gravity the same as magnetism. Coil overriding the sticky spot.
Jeez.
You can't have two or more sources of gravity here (with any useful effect). Try 'riding over the sticky spot'.
Does anyone notice the stator wants to be at one particular end of the rotor arrays? Those building will see this. That alone should make you wonder.
Anybody with an old 'Allied Radio' catalog? The part numbers were the same. Once you have a possible number you can get any recorded specs from the RS website.
I had a connection with them eons ago. The description fits one they used to sell.
Quoteauthor=miki02131 ...See it this way, in the same fashion you can't oscilate a point mass along an incline plane using gravity alone, you can never oscilate a point mass under magetic influence alone regardless of configuration.
Miki out.
You can oscillate a point mass using gravity. Pump water UPHILL using gravity and a point mass system. It's called a RAM PUMP:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question318.htm
It's all in the configuration. ha ha
Quote from: BEP on April 30, 2009, 01:40:58 PM
Anybody with an old 'Allied Radio' catalog? The part numbers were the same. Once you have a possible number you can get any recorded specs from the RS website.
I had a connection with them eons ago. The description fits one they used to sell.
I have seen these RS magnets used in MyLow's latest video in my local RS stores in San Jose, CA a few weeks back. Ithink they were 2 bucks something for two or maybe each but 2 in a package. I will check it out later if I have a chance.
cheers
chrisC
Fron what Sterling has just informed us of, we know that the rotor magnets are magnetized through their thickness with North being on top. In the video, what polarity of the stator magnets is facing the camera. Are they both N or S or one of each?
I'm wondering if this is a pull-push or push-pull arrangement.
The feel is like what Howard Johnson described with his rail car project. He positioned the car on the track and got it to the spot where the like poles attracted each other then let go...it was then accelerated on the other side by repulsion.
see and hear a ram pump in action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2nGlnMNXrw&feature=related
if you think about it, I'm not too far off topic with this ;)
Quote from: BEP on April 30, 2009, 01:33:25 PM
Gravity the same as magnetism. Coil overriding the sticky spot.
Jeez.
You can't have two or more sources of gravity here (with any useful effect). Try 'riding over the sticky spot'.
Does anyone notice the stator wants to be at one particular end of the rotor arrays? Those building will see this. That alone should make you wonder.
Yes it makes me wonder that its run on electricity and not magnetism.
I can only hope that I am wrong and we will see a successf replication soon
cat
Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #350 on: March 27, 2009, 06:23:01 PM »QuoteI have duplicated the James hardy self powered setup without the generator.
It consists of.
1. T-10,000 pump which he confirms is exactly the same pump he used.
2. Wheel with paddles, exactly what James used with cupped washers which was specailly formed for more torque.
3. Watertight plastic container.
3. Ballanced motor shaft and bearings.
4. Clear hose with all adapters necessary teflon sealed with the same nozzle James used.
5. This has been tested and works well, exactly like James's unit.
6. I have attached photos so you can see what I have done.
7. I am thinking of selling this for exactly what I have in it, no charge for my labor. I need the money to get my home finalled.
My speculation is that the device gets its power from water hammer. Watch James's video again and note the change in the appearance when the water gets the air bubbles mixed in. It gets milky, then the rotation speed increases dramaticly. I have seen the results of water hammer caused by opening or shutting the valves when a repair has been made. It blew all the valves of the mains going to the homes on a county water system for 500 feet. They were burried over 10 feet and the whole section had to be dug up and repaired. Thousands of pounds of pressure can be exerted from this effect and pipes can rip open for many feet. I filed for a provisional patent. If anyone asks I will send a copy or if there is enough interest I will post it as an attachment. Water hammer was how the Richard Clem device worked. He worked in the utility department for the county and saw the effects of Water Hammer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlinM1wAI5U&feature=related
@ Sterling
You said "The difficult part of this is getting the spacings right -- between the rotor magnets and between the rotor magnets and the stator magnet, and the position of the stator magnet. That's what took him three days to get right, and he has a knack for this stuff. "But once you get it, it's easy [to replicate to another]"
Maybe I missed this but where can we find the adjustment mech/knob for the the stator to help with replication?
Thanks
Bill
Well got to admit, I watched the Video this morning at work where I have no sound and was very judgemental (which is unusual for me!) but tonight I got home for a early weekend and have just watched the Video again, frame by frame nearly and with sound.
Conclusion:
I am back on board with this one, even though my mind says that the weird path that has been taken shouts NO NO.
Not going to get time to play this weekend as have got other projects I am commited too, but Mylow is either very clever at faking stuff or indeed he is genuine and does have a inbuilt ability and patience to sit there and take the time to examine the field and spacing between each magnet as he strategically places then one by one.
I do not think this is about replicating exactly, this is about learning how to use your intuition to layup a design that works. Look at the huge difference between Version 1.0 and version 2.0 . It is how to do the setup, rather than the schemtics of what worked for Mylow.
Might of found a source for magnets
http://www.magnetsource.com/Consumer%20Pages/Ceramic_Mags.html
look at item H
wayne
The 3/8 by 3/8 by 1 7/8 magnets are available at home depot. Saw them there today.
One of Mylow's stator magnets look like a typical wind generator magnet-
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/images/windgen%20magnet.jpg
(The pencil is to reference size)
Should be easy to find these. I have a couple of dozen of each polarity.
*New Mylow video*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGA-f0KKNI&feature=channel_page
So why doesn't he claim my One Thousand Dollars? Can't he arrange anybody from the U. to see it? Well, I can. Just tell me where and when, and I'll have two scientists meet MyLOW to vet his device. I'll even send the Thousand Dollars Cash Money along with them, and they can give it to him on the spot.
After all, we had better hurry up before the NSA fellow comes back and re-confiscates the motor.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
So why doesn't he claim my One Thousand Dollars? Can't he arrange anybody from the U. to see it? Well, I can. Just tell me where and when, and I'll have two scientists meet MyLOW to vet his device. I'll even send the Thousand Dollars Cash Money along with them, and they can give it to him on the spot.
After all, we had better hurry up before the NSA fellow comes back and re-confiscates the motor.
TK it not all about money mate, can you not get your head around that ? .
I have spent more than what you have offered in parts trying to replicate ideas over the years, not even counting the time, as you probably have as well.
So why do you think money will be appealing? Sorry I do not get it.
The money thing does not work for everyone on this planet, you know this. Or you just testing the water?. Think you will find even with Mylow that it is not the money thing, infact probably the last thing on his mind.
There is a story I would like to put foward here from another discussion as I remember it from Richard Bach ,the guy who is better known for "Jonathan Livingston seagull" it is from his book "illusions" and illustrates the mechanisms here well.
It is about a group of animals called "bottom feeders" They were a group of organisms who lived on the left hand corner , on the bottom of a swirling pool near a fast flowing river somewhere. Because they stayed on the very bottom, in the left hand corner the swirling current was not strong enough to affect them, as they managed to get all of their food from the very bottom. They were an ordered and an advanced society and they were happy . All of them "understood" that if they were to let go then they would have no food source and the world as they knew it would disappear and they would have no friends no family and their valued place in society would be lost for ever in the evil current. It was very easy to hang on anyway.
One day a certain bottom feeder wondered whether there was a world outside this one and he asked his friends about this. They all told him that he was not normal and perhaps they could help him understand that nobody had ever come back from letting go. . In their folklore there was an old story about somebody who came from heaven and told wonderful stories that nobody could prove. Apparently he let go and was never seen again. So it was it was a well known FACT ! That It was not possible to let go and survive He felt Isolated for asking but he could satisfy his curiosity. The more he asked questions the more he knew that they really didn't know at all . for example what is this tail of mine for? Apparently everybody understood that their tails were from another phase of evolution and they thought him foolish for asking so silly a question. You see the bottom feeders were mostly tail, short arms a big mouth and slender arms with long fingers. One day in a fit of frustration and anger He just let go !
He watched the world that he knew pass beneath him as he writhed in the swirling current. He saw other animals that he had never seen before , plant material that tasted good. He came to a place where he was unable to go further and couldn't breath properly where he saw pretty pinpricks of light above and some still water just like where they lived on the bottom. He discovered that if he wriggled his tail in certain way he could get back to the bottom whenever he wanted to! Direction control was still a problem but he was working on that one.
Finally he was experiencing so many things that were new to him and really wanted to tell his people about it...he even became a little lonely and longed for the company of his kind.It was then that he noticed a group of bottom feeders like from his home on the bottom.
He wriggled his tail and landed amongst them.
They all gathered around him because they had never seen another bottom feeder before .He explained to them that he just let go and told about other animals that looked ugly, other plants, and other bottom feeders. He showed them how to tail wriggle. The pin prick's of light were a bit much for most but he told his story well.
They were all amazed and declared him their savior and made a special place for him every body wanted to meet him and hear about the ugly animals. He became the most talked about person. He liked the attention, he felt happy. He didn't under stand why people followed him around though and became a bit restless again. One day he asked if any body would like to let go like he had. They did not understand this and started to wonder whether their savior might not be feeling well today. He tried to show them how to wriggle their tails again and again but nobody would actually let go to see if it worked.
They all just wanted to hear the stories again , of the other ugly looking animals and other bottom feeders and even about the pinpricks of light but nobody really believed that one, they just liked the other stories so much.
Then one day, feeling a bit bored with the fact that nobody really seemed to believe the best part of his story.He Just let go again. Perhaps he could solve the direction problem this time !
So you see my friends that at some point we all fit this scenario. I am starting to wonder whether this quest to reveal Mylows's understanding will be lost in our own fear and doubt.
Our doubt's, however self justified, and whatever the cause , don't actually produce anything. DO they?
Quote from: billmehess on April 30, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
I feel like a voice in the wilderness here. This motor as show by Mylow DOES NOT WORK!!!
Look at my youtube under excel60 and you will see there is no chance of this type of spinning action using these magnets. I know my replication is not as sophicated as Mylows but it was not necessary to do so to show the principal of working or not, I have a large and extremely well stocked shop and can produce anything at almost any level.
Hi Bill,
In my conversation with Mylow today, he said that your replication was the closest to working, of the ones he's seen (that use bar magnets). He said he sent you several messages with suggestions. Did you get those?
Sterling
It is time for me to throw in my 2 cents.
I certainly am not Quantum Physics major, nor an E.E.
I'm am a very good prototype machinist and have been for 30 years. I build devices like this every day for a job.
I also fly R/C/ aircraft and I build my own electric motors for them.
These motors are 3 phase A/C brushless outrunners. They weigh between 1 and 3 ounces, produce 100-1000 watts output and run up to 25,000 RPM.
I tell you this crap so you believe what I say might be true.
Mylows motors look real to me. I believe they do indeed run as he says. I have thought this from the start,
Here is my theory,
If I was to build a motor like this, I would have built it much more solid. (and it probably wouldn't work) And I bet every one of you replicators have made it much more solid. I would bet yours does not wobble and twist and shake. I believe Mylows does shake and wobble.
Can we call it resonate an oscillate?
I think getting the motor to run, might require that it is able to move about just a bit. Which is why an uneven array of magnets works. Face it, the stator stand is not heavy built at all. Those extrusions can resonate very easily. Perhaps physics can be cheated if this is why his motor is working.
Now 2 more cents. There are still those amongst us who insist on mud slinging. Please stop. I'm learning something from this thread every day. I don't want it to quit and fade away. When that happens we all quit learning.
Mylow just posted this latest most believable video less than 24 hours ago. He worked hard at it. He might be sleeping. He has a Wife, and he has a Life. Perhaps he would like to go fishing for a day, or spend a little time catching up with what ever. Give him some space, This is a lot of stuff to go through. And he does work for a living. Remember? We won't get anything out of this if our negativity scares him away.
Now the rest of us get to work and brainstorm this out. I'm sure you have all been trained what brainstorming is.
thanks..... Flame on... John
Quote from: sterlinga on April 30, 2009, 06:10:58 PM
Hi Bill,
In my conversation with Mylow today, he said that your replication was the closest to working, of the ones he's seen (that use bar magnets). He said he sent you several messages with suggestions. Did you get those?
Sterling
@ Sterlinga
Did you find out from MyLow how the rotor magnets were attached? Is is superglued or attached with some kind of 'metallic' glue? Thanks
cheers
chrisC
@mannix
Yep. Letting go is hard to do. Thanks.
@CLaNZeR
Good post. That's what it has been about since day one. Even with the best diagrams, these are fields and fields don't obey a schematic. If it was a circuit diagram, well that would have been easy. But here, everything plays either in favor or against the effect.
Mylow mentioned one thing that really stuck with me and that is something about even his bearing having an effect on the wheel. Geez his wheel and base is 99.999% aluminum and he's worried about the bearing being steel. Hmmmm. Maybe some ceramic bearings would be better. Just jokin.
Well I should have my wheel on Monday. I have a 1/4" by 18" wheel and a 1/2" by 18" wheel being cut. I will use the 1/4" one as is and send the 1/2" one to get the rim grooved for sliding rotors. lol
Most of my time is spent on TPU type builds, experiments and I could even say studies, but this magnet stuff is so relaxing. Just me and the field. No circuits, no pulses, no shocks, just some occasional pinches and some really startling magnet to magnet jumps that catch you by surprise, something like taking the cheese off of a mousetrap.
I totally forgot to mention this morning about this Radio Shack web site I found many months ago when looking for electronic components that where available around 1995 when SM was making his TPUs. Mylow, you are gonna love this site. You can go back to the years when HJ was making his devices and see what RS was selling off the shelf. Maybe your square magnets can be found in one of these back issues. Look here;
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Ig2ddBunw
Working motor, claims its his last video
well, i'm tempted to build this thing now and have loads of time on my hands.....
if there's anyone in Montreal, Canada who knows where to source 100% of the parts, and a machine shop that can build a base and disk for me at a reasonable price, let me know...
anyone have an idea how much the entire set up in aluminium would cost from scratch?
queue: aren't you in montreal?
Hi Sterling
In regards to Mylow sending me any suggestions I have not yet received them.
Have him email me or (should I say it?) actually call me.
503-366-9135
Bill
@pinestone
Yep it is like that but the polarity on the PM motor magnet is top to bottom whereas Mylow requires it to be left to right.
@JohnPK
That's the way to do it. Lay down your credentials which shows some mighty fine craftsmanship indeed. Plus your thoughts are right on and in line with what this forum is really supposed to be about. I could only dream of such abilities, but as they say, to each his own. Glad to see you here. You are also spot on about the wobbling aspect for this wheel. To rigid and there cannot be any play. If there is no play, then there is no re-coil effect. Hmmmmmm.
I have always said that if you could put a coil around a magnet and pulse it to move the magnets field, then at the off pulse the magnet field comes back for free. So one pulse creates two movements. One you paid for and the other for free. The same thing can happen with magnet to magnet systems. lol
@TK
Since Mylow is the one who made this, I guess up till now he has made some pretty good decisions and I would simply leave it to him to decide the next step on this. Trying to push him to do this or that is pointless.
So let me get mine working and I'll take you up on that offer instead. Just joke'in man.
@dixiepnum
I'm in Terrebonne. Let me get my wheels on Monday and I will know what the cost is, for the wheel. Then I need the base and the magnets. I would estimate a wheel costing 300$ easy. basically the wheel cost is 30$ per square foot of 1/2" and half that for 1/4" plus the turning or cutting costs.
@billmehess
Do you put any photo of your build here or on youtube?
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 30, 2009, 04:52:23 PM
Well got to admit, I watched the Video this morning at work where I have no sound and was very judgemental (which is unusual for me!) but tonight I got home for a early weekend and have just watched the Video again, frame by frame nearly and with sound.
Conclusion:
I am back on board with this one, even though my mind says that the weird path that has been taken shouts NO NO.
Not going to get time to play this weekend as have got other projects I am commited too, but Mylow is either very clever at faking stuff or indeed he is genuine and does have a inbuilt ability and patience to sit there and take the time to examine the field and spacing between each magnet as he strategically places then one by one.
I do not think this is about replicating exactly, this is about learning how to use your intuition to layup a design that works. Look at the huge difference between Version 1.0 and version 2.0 . It is how to do the setup, rather than the schemtics of what worked for Mylow.
Mylow should at least allow sterling or someone go to his place and analyze the machine. Not that sterling holds any credibility what so ever anymore IMO, mind you, but at least it would be *something*. So mylow's afraid the MIB's are going to get him if he lets sterling look at it? Hmmm, but mylow is somehow allowed to put up youtube video after youtube video.
@wattsup
@queue
since i think you're both near Montreal....
I'd like to draft up a simple parts list of components that should be easily found in Montreal, where to buy them, and how much they cost...I want to respect the aluminium for all components...I'm okay with it not being exactly the same size disc as mylow, but what's key is the sources for everything...if we can simplify this, then it's off to the races
so all suggestions appreciated...
-magnets by type and source, stators and rotors?
-glue by type and source?
-aluminium disc by type, size, and source?
-aluminium base and attachments, including some type of bearings etc....by type, size, and source
-parts for standing aluminium stator frame
If we can source these simply in Montreal, we can get some more replicators lined up....
Listen - I wish Mylow would follow everyone's directions but it seems the only way out of this quagmire is more replications....I'd rather do something about it than talk about it at this point....
thanks in advance for your help...
Dixie
*New Mylow Video*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyAX9corOuQ&feature=channel_page
Quote from: CLaNZeR on April 30, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
TK it not all about money mate, can you not get your head around that ? .
I have spent more than what you have offered in parts trying to replicate ideas over the years, not even counting the time, as you probably have as well.
So why do you think money will be appealing? Sorry I do not get it.
The money thing does not work for everyone on this planet, you know this. Or you just testing the water?. Think you will find even with Mylow that it is not the money thing, infact probably the last thing on his mind.
That's got to be the silliest excuse for not picking up a Free Thousand Dollars that I ever heard. You must be having an off day, CLaNZeR. You used to make a bit more sense, IIRC.
My offer has no strings attached. Why is it problematic? Mylow's showing his videos on YT, he's not afraid of the boogeyman, he has the most valuable device on the planet just sitting there in his living room, and someone offers him One Large, if he'll just get somebody from the real world to look at it, Steornish-three-stooges-like. And who gets flamed? The guy trying to give away the money...
Go figure.
Hey, I'm not even rubbing it in that it's fake. I'm just offering money to prove that it's not.
CLaNZeR, you've built enough of these things. Now MyLOW, in the space of a few days, has come up with SEVEN, [EDIT: that's EIGHT, now...] count 'em, different configurations with all kinds of different magnets, that he claims will run.
Like I said, go figure.
My money's real, the challenge is real, the purpose is to make people see that Mylow isn't acting like somebody who really has what he says he has. Think about it critically! Why hasn't the mob, or Big Oil, or the real NSA, or Mossad for FS, cornered Mylow and spirited him away? If you think he's really got what he claims, he should be quaking in his boots and looking for a good place to hide, instead of posting videos of a device that nobody else seems to be able to get running.
My god, what if Mylow has a heart attack, or gets run over by a bus? Even though he's open-sourced it, since nobody can get theirs running, he's a national treasure or something, and should at the very least be worried about being placed in protective custody--since he's the ONLY person in the whole world who can get a magnet motor running like he showed in his latest vids.
I just saw mylow's newest video. Why can't he just show an uncut video of the thing starting, running, stop it, take it apart already?!
As for small DC motors, the DC motors that come with the inexpensive miniature RC helicopters are 0.16" in diameter. They could easily apply the small amount of force require to get that machine rotating rather quietly. In fact, it would be very difficult to hear such a motor when insulated.
http://toygalaxy.stores.yahoo.net/mirche.html
I bought a similar miniature RC helicopter last year for $25.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 30, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
I just saw mylow's newest video. Why can't he just show an uncut video of the thing starting, running, stop it, take it apart already?!
As for small DC motors, the DC motors that come with the inexpensive miniature RC helicopters are 0.16" in diameter. They could easily apply the small amount of force require to get that machine rotating rather quietly. In fact, it would be very difficult to hear such a motor when insulated.
http://toygalaxy.stores.yahoo.net/mirche.html
I bought a similar miniature RC helicopter last year for $25.
There's quite a bit of space above the drawer and below the top of that bureau. If I wanted to, I could mount a motorized turntable in that space, with a bunch of magnets on it. With that turntable turning, controlled by a footswitch or a rheostat from an old sewing machine, there would be enough coupling to the magnets on the rotor, that the rotor would slowly spin up, yet be stoppable and positionable just as Mylow has shown. And, Paul, this arrangement would survive your test. The machine could be disassembled, all parts shown, put back together and started up--as long as it was in the same spot on the bureau.
And this is only one of about a dozen ways I can think of.
BTW, has MyLOW shown a definitely-running device, running, anywhere other than in that EXACT spot, on the bureau, near the lamp and the (alleged) wall?
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 30, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
I just saw mylow's newest video. Why can't he just show an uncut video of the thing starting, running, stop it, take it apart already?!
As for small DC motors, the DC motors that come with the inexpensive miniature RC helicopters are 0.16" in diameter. They could easily apply the small amount of force require to get that machine rotating rather quietly. In fact, it would be very difficult to hear such a motor when insulated.
http://toygalaxy.stores.yahoo.net/mirche.html
I bought a similar miniature RC helicopter last year for $25.
Do they sell invisible power cables, too?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2009, 07:44:30 PM
There's quite a bit of space above the drawer and below the top of that bureau. If I wanted to, I could mount a motorized turntable in that space, with a bunch of magnets on it. With that turntable turning, controlled by a footswitch or a rheostat from an old sewing machine, there would be enough coupling to the magnets on the rotor, that the rotor would slowly spin up, yet be stoppable and positionable just as Mylow has shown. And, Paul, this arrangement would survive your test. The machine could be disassembled, all parts shown, put back together and started up--as long as it was in the same spot on the bureau.
And this is only one of about a dozen ways I can think of.
BTW, has MyLOW shown a definitely-running device, running, anywhere other than in that EXACT spot, on the bureau, near the lamp and the (alleged) wall?
Yes he showed it on a glass table. The camera angles weren't up to peoples standards, I guess. It's on LRCan1's archive page, video #18.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIkPdmdUR1A&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 07:48:11 PM
Yes he showed it on a glass table. The camera angles weren't up to peoples standards, I guess. Check LRCan1's archive page.
That video does not show an unequivocal self-runner. All the vids that definitely show acceleration, as far as I know, show the device sitting in approximately exactly the same spot.
I'd be happy to be mistaken about this; it would continue to narrow down the possible fakery schemes.
You don't need invisible power cables, although they are available. There's enough space in the overhead stator support for batteries, actuating pulse coils, sensors, and an RC receiver, to keep the thing running for many hours. [edit: ;) ]
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2009, 07:55:24 PM
That video does not show an unequivocal self-runner. All the vids that definitely show acceleration, as far as I know, show the device sitting in approximately exactly the same spot.
I'd be happy to be mistaken about this; it would continue to narrow down the possible fakery schemes.
You don't need invisible power cables, although they are available. There's enough space in the overhead stator support for batteries, actuating pulse coils, sensors, and an RC receiver, to keep the thing running for many hours. Please don't bother asking me how I know how much space this stuff takes up and how long it will run a magnet motor.
I suppose anything can be faked. Of course, that does not mean that it is. We will never know unless Mylow allows outside verification, or someone successfully replicates it. I do share your frustration.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Do they sell invisible power cables, too?
RC stands for "remote control"
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
I suppose anything can be faked. Of course, that does not mean that it is. We will never know unless Mylow allows outside verification, or someone successfully replicates it. I do share your frustration.
I'm not so much frustrated as I am angry. I don't mind research, I don't even mind the occasional mistaken claim of overunity, but when someone spins a yarn like MyLOW has, with all the obvious holes (how many "last videos" has he posted now? 4? or is it 5?) I feel that it's an insult to the intelligence and good will of the entire FE/OU/fringe science community. It's not even an interesting intellectual puzzle, it's just clever and cynical manipulation. I feel sorry for Sterling; even Sepp is afraid they'll wind up with "egg on their faces".
At least he could have given us a story that held together internally. MyLOW's contradicted himself with nearly every statement he makes.
To wattsup
My videos are on you tube under excel60
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 30, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
RC stands for "remote control"
Lol sorry, read your post quickly.
Perhaps I should have said invisible/silent RC motor.
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 08:07:50 PM
Lol sorry, read your post quickly.
Perhaps I should have said invisible/silent RC motor.
There are a lot of these mini rc helicopters on youtube. They're not too loud for sound insulation, even at full power, but the friction involved in mylow's machine is relatively low, requiring practically no power compared to what these tiny motors can produce. A little sound insulation would make it noise free.
Anyhow, the point is that there are a lot of ways to fake it. So why not let sterling or someone see it, analyze it.
blah blah blah....bleeding hearts.....
give up on mylow showing it to someone - it's never going to work....just get to work on the replication now or tune out...
20 hours and 500$ and you're done...
criminy...if mylow can do it, you can!
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 08:22:19 PM
blah blah blah....bleeding hearts.....
give up on mylow showing it to someone - it's never going to work....just get to work on the replication now or tune out...
20 hours and 500$ and you're done...
criminy...if mylow can do it, you can!
Que has been replicating it since day one without success. All of the replicators have failed. Don't bother spending time and money until mylow can show one sign of sincerity.
sterling, today you said this is all historical. Since mylow got his machines back from the MIB's, why not spend another $200 to fly out and see it? ;)
All could be solved by allowing 1 reputable person, visit, show the set up and run it on video.
EVERYBODY WOULD GET OFF MYLOWS BACK.
The Feds would have to back off him if this were to be replicated around the world by us learning exactly what to do from such a visit and video.
Very easy to do.
Question is = why will he not allow it???????
in spite of all the variables at play on the machine, there is more chance of someone replicating it than there is of mylow showing it to someone at this point...
it's obvious he's not going there for whatever reason...
we are simply not going to get the information we need from mylow to carry this forward...
the only way out of this saga is to build...
besides, forget the MIB, he's probably got a million dollar contract with GE in place now....at least I know I would...
all due respects to queue, clanzer, billmehess etc....it's only going to happen, given all the variables, once 50 of us are on it anyways....
so get to work, armchair quarterback
;)
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 30, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
So why not let sterling or someone see it, analyze it.
I agree
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 08:22:19 PM
blah blah blah....bleeding hearts.....
give up on mylow showing it to someone - it's never going to work....just get to work on the replication now or tune out...
20 hours and 500$ and you're done...
criminy...if mylow can do it, you can!
Conversely, if Queue and CLaNZeR can't do it, neither can Mylow.
(I don't know about you, but for me it's more like $900 and 80 hours, but at least I do know that what I know, I know for sure...)
@PL, ellubt
tennis anyone?
;)
Quote from: PaulLowrance on April 30, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
I just saw mylow's newest video. Why can't he just show an uncut video of the thing starting, running, stop it, take it apart already?!
As for small DC motors, the DC motors that come with the inexpensive miniature RC helicopters are 0.16" in diameter. They could easily apply the small amount of force require to get that machine rotating rather quietly. In fact, it would be very difficult to hear such a motor when insulated.
http://toygalaxy.stores.yahoo.net/mirche.html
I bought a similar miniature RC helicopter last year for $25.
The video's sure do look good Mylow! And IMO to minimize scepticism even further (this is if you want less scepticism), I agree with PL wanting to see an uncut video of the thing starting, running, stoping (just like you have done so far) but add the "take apart " at the end of the video.
A month ago I was amazed at what I saw in your videos, and after seeing the take apart of that rotor base back then (a suspect to me) , I thought for sure you had it! But then someone mentioned to me that there could easily be two separate rotor bases that look just alike, only one may have a little motor. It is possible. I know how the power could be delivered to that motor unseen. JUST a POSSIBILITY only.
I hope no one gets mad at this post. I am a big fan of free energy experimenting with VERIFICATION, and just always think of multiple, POSSIBLE ways that a device could be running.
Anyway, I really hope this is real!! and have already started my Macintosh G5 version. The side aluminum cover just needs to be cut. I also have seen those magnets at home depot and they will be next on my list.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
@PL, ellubt
tennis anyone?
;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2f6-U72Zk
Don't waste your time or money -IT DOES NOT WORK, IT NEVER DID WORK AND IT NEVER WILL WORK.
Mylow keeps whining about all the terrible people on youtube and overunity.com how we are all so critical of him.
Come on Mylow show your device on your front lawn, in your drive way, on the floor of the living room, on the ground anywhere, come on what are you afraid of. Make us all beg your forgiveness for doubting you and I would be the first one to do so!
@TK...
well given your broad experience, how would you recommend cheaping this up so that we can get into the $500 range and still experiment on the key factors?
Let's brainstorm some.
Why aluminum? Why not good old steel?
Those motors I make for model airplanes are only 25% as powerful with a flux ring made out of aluminum. I tried it more than once. I found 4140 worked best for those flux rings.
Next reason, no gluing. let those magnets go for a ride without glue. they are so easy to move that way.
Try neo mags. http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/detail-ID-115.html
Try a smaller rotor. say 8-10 inches X .125-.187 thick. something we can make in a small lathe.
now the stator magnet. Why a horseshoe magnet? the distance between poles is fixed.
Use 1"wide plate of varying lengths. use two of those same magnets and stick em on. (One north, one south)they move into different positions pretty easy. (no glue)use a bigger stator plate, put two sets on there mimicking two horseshoe mags.
Now most important, I still think the stator needs to be able to wiggle or oscillate with respect to the array of rotor mags. (either a continuous even array or uneven to really make the stator more lively.) So mount the stator with a spring, or rubber cushion so it can wiggle a bit. try a variety of stator springs.
Did any of this pipe dream stuff give anybody any ideas to expand upon?
2 more cents, I still see mud slinging. What do you guys do for a living? work for the oil industry? Stop it for a while. Take a month off. OK? John
RS rotor magnet:
Possible RS#640-1877
Measures 1-7/8 x 7/8 x 3/8 inches
Poles are at each 1-7/8 x 7/8 face
According to an old friend (still there) this one hasn't changed since 1988. None before fit the description.
Also no detailed specs, the RS website has bad info on dimensions and there have been over a dozen different suppliers to RS over the years.
Allied Radio Electronics (formerly linked to RS) had the same part numbers but a wider variety.
I have a bag of 10 (owned a couple of RS's in the day) left over from stored inventory. Compared them to visual identicals at Lowe's. There is almost no strength difference (used my clamp-on DC meter) ;D
Quote from: JohnPK on April 30, 2009, 09:21:17 PM
Let's brainstorm some.
Why aluminum? Why not good old steel?
Those motors I make for model airplanes are only 25% as powerful with a flux ring made out of aluminum.
John
Aluminum because the reactions to a moving flux are wildly different. Ferrous material simply shorts or redirects the flux. It doesn't matter if their is a relational movement or not.
The only time aluminum exhibits those qualities(?) is when there is relational movement. Of course it is paramagnetic so there is always some attraction.
I suggest you throw out any ideas this is related to a copper wound motor.
There was a time I spewed the wonders of aluminum but that has ended. If folks want to know I tell them to experiment and figure it out. If you can then tell the difference between copper and aluminum (magnetically) then you may be on the right track.
None of it is magic or fringe science. It just isn't well known, even though electrical products have used these wonders for over a hundred years.
When you can connect the info to the non-Faraday's Paradox.....
Still, I got slammed once too often.
Brainstorming here is not a good thing. The PC heroes and book vomiters will wipe out the conversation.
@Dixie
i paid about 80 dollars for the raw ALI.
TK is probably closer to the total price - i actually paid more than he said too. Expensive hobby ..
i had the disks cut in a machine shop where i used to work at in my youth. They let me work as favour .. but i cannot do another disk there. i used up my welcome.. lol
For the bearing i puchased several old SVHS machines for a few dollars each and then took the bearing out. I got them @ Village des valeurs for a few dollars each .. if you try it this way - you need to take the bearing assemblies apart and remove the magnets inside other wise they will react with the magnetic fields of what you are trying to build.
The SVHS-HD models usually have more robust bearing and mounts.
You can purchase just about any bearing you can dream to own from Motion Canada.
http://www.motionindustries.com/
They have several stores in canadian cities - 2 in Montreal and 2 in Ottawa
You can get various small used electric motors cheap at the new Mastervox Store in Longueuil.
The only rotors i know of that might be close are from Canadian Tire
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/SpecialtyTools/MechanicsSpecialtyTools/PRD~0586808P/All-Purpose%2BMagnets.jsp
Homedepot also has several various ceramic magnet types and even soem NEOs - but you have to order the NEOs online - not available in the store.
The product pic on the website is incorrect - the measures are
2 inch by 1 inch by 3/8 thickness
They are magnetized through the 3/8 thickness.
about 5.50 $ for two .. not cheap when you need about 40 - 50 for a disk ..
Stators i have no idea where to start ..
Maybe active electronics on Ferrier.
If you find other good rotor source let me know please.
Cheers
Q
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 07:27:34 PM
@wattsup
@queue
since i think you're both near Montreal....
I'd like to draft up a simple parts list of components that should be easily found in Montreal, where to buy them, and how much they cost...I want to respect the aluminium for all components...I'm okay with it not being exactly the same size disc as mylow, but what's key is the sources for everything...if we can simplify this, then it's off to the races
so all suggestions appreciated...
-magnets by type and source, stators and rotors?
-glue by type and source?
-aluminium disc by type, size, and source?
-aluminium base and attachments, including some type of bearings etc....by type, size, and source
-parts for standing aluminium stator frame
If we can source these simply in Montreal, we can get some more replicators lined up....
Listen - I wish Mylow would follow everyone's directions but it seems the only way out of this quagmire is more replications....I'd rather do something about it than talk about it at this point....
thanks in advance for your help...
Dixie
Quote from: nyctuber on April 30, 2009, 08:48:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2f6-U72Zk
No thanks, I kill my summer afternoons on the Harley.
Quote from: queue on April 30, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
@Dixie
i paid about 80 dollars for the raw ALI.
i had the disks cut in a machine shop where i used to work at in my youth. The let me work as favour .. but i cannot do another disk there. i used up my welcome.. lol
For the bearing i puchased several old SVHS machines for a few dollars each and then took the bearing out. I got them Village des valeurs for a few dollars each
You can purchase just about any bearing you can dream to own from Motion Canada.
http://www.motionindustries.com/
The have several stores in canadian cities - 2 in Montreal and 2 in Ottawa
The only rotors i know of that might be close are from Canadian Tire
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/SpecialtyTools/MechanicsSpecialtyTools/PRD~0586808P/All-Purpose%2BMagnets.jsp
The product pic on the website is incorrect - the measures are
2 inch by 1 inch by 3/8 thickness
The are magnetized through the 3/8 thickness.
about 5.50 $ for two .. not cheap when you need about 40 - 50 for a disk ..
Stators i have no idea where to start ..
Maybe active electronics on Ferrier.
If you find other good rotor source let me know please.
Cheers
Q
@Queue. Thanks for the build info.
Even though I really don't have time, I feel I have to do my part in going to the surplus shop to pick up a smooth Ricoh scanner bearing and a Aluminium flywheel that fits perfectly in the Ricoh scanner. See pictures. I also bought some magnets from Home Depot similar to MyLow's bar magnets.
So far, I tried to get a U Shaped stator magnet to try to get it started but no cigar. Well, I really don't have a good stator stand build yet but I don't think it will work either. Plus I really don't have the time. if anyone is successful, please report your findings.
cheers
chrisC
@Q
a thousand thanks for the instant collaboration
now off to work....especially on that disc and base
Quote from: queue on April 30, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
The product pic on the website is incorrect - the measures are
2 inch by 1 inch by 3/8 thickness
The are magnetized through the 3/8 thickness.
about 5.50 $ for two .. not cheap when you need about 40 - 50 for a disk ..
Stators i have no idea where to start ..
Maybe active electronics on Ferrier.
If you find other good rotor source let me know please.
Whatever. I can read a tape. The measurements I posted are correct. I doubt an 1/8th inch means much here anyway.
Through the 3/8's thickness? Yes. Same thing I said. Six of one or half dozen of the other :D
The ones from Lowe's are priced at $2.49 for two in a bubble pack.
As far as the rotor mag goes... No clue. The ones I've been using look the same in size and shape compared to Mylow's last vid. Polarized through the thickness ;)
They came from a linear actuator from a robot project I retired.
The ones posted earlier said to be for wind generators look good. Other good ones would be from a small auto, lawn mower or motorcycle starter motor.
Surplus section @ Allmagnetics comes pretty close.
Allmagnetics.com
**Surplus**
(Length/ Width/ Thickness) (inches)
Neodymium Block
(NBSA.5X.5X2) 2 x .5 x .5
(NBSA.5X.47X2) 2 x .47 x .5
http://www.allmagnetics.com/surplus.htm
Samarium Cobalt Block
(SCBSA.31X.35X2) 2 x .35 x .31
(SCBSA.50X.55X2) 2 x .55 x .5
http://www.allmagnetics.com/surplus.htm
Ceramic
(CBSA .51 x .66 x 2.5) 2.5 x .66 x .51
http://www.allmagnetics.com/surplus-ceramic.htm
Arc
Allmagnetics supposedly lent Mylow a remagnetizer, perhaps they will magnetize to proper orientation by request
http://www.allmagnetics.com/surplus-arcs.htm
Quote from: BEP on April 30, 2009, 09:49:45 PM
John
Aluminum because the reactions to a moving flux are wildly different. Ferrous material simply shorts or redirects the flux.
Maybe I will just leave the Mac G5 aluminum panel as is without cutting. It's balanced now from the dot in the middle. (w/o magnets)
lol
Well that's one way to get out of not having to show it. Of course he did not really send it to anybody. Hopefully if he did it would have been to Sterling, but we all know by now what's really going on- don't we.
Quote from: dixiepnum on April 30, 2009, 08:54:22 PM
@TK...
well given your broad experience, how would you recommend cheaping this up so that we can get into the $500 range and still experiment on the key factors?
Sorry, went to sleep there for a little while.
Seriously, it all depends on what you think the key factors are. Aluminum and inertia and bearings and quick configuration change seem key to me. Others concentrate on magnets, wobbleability, and trying to get it to "work".
I dismiss the latter from the outset, so I am not constrained in what I will try, nor do I ignore what my instruments are telling me in favor of anecdotal observations that might support a pet theory.
So an 18 inch diameter 1/4 inch thick plate of 6061-T6 genuine aircraft structural aluminum, mounted on some adequate bearings, with a bunch of mounting holes and some other machining, was key in my mind. I have lots and lots of magnets, but I went ahead and bought a bunch more anyway, mainly just to populate the disk with something more interesting than weights. The disk will be the single major expense; I machined mine myself on manual tooling, so the major cost there is time (and blood; my hands are still healing). I am really good at scavenging parts and we have some excellent surplus stores in and around hereabouts so the rest of the stuff didn't cost much. But there are all kinds of hidden and accumulating costs, not the least being lost time from paid work.
But, you see, I am doing real research on the behaviour of circular gated SMOT systems like the HJ/MyLOW wheel configurations, and this was an excellent excuse to develop the testbed into something that would yield real data. So your mileage may vary.
The most important advice I can give is to not neglect your family, and don't spend more than you can afford to lose. Because there won't be anything coming back, except knowledge (and hopefully a little wisdom as well.)
(EDIT to add I know there are those who object to my holes and slots...er, in the disk I mean...but the worst that could happen, as far as I can reason, is that the effective diameter of the disk is reduced--perhaps instead of 18 inches "active" diameter I might only have 16 inches, since there is a row of holes at that diameter. I'd be glad to hear logical reasons why a row of holes, or a slotted edge, might kill or inhibit a magnet motor of this type from working--assuming of course that all the other reasons they don't work could somehow vanish...)
@nyctuber: Eh, what's that, now, 5 "last videos" from Mylow? I've lost track.
Thanks for the Cream, btw, that was a blast from the past for sure, I'll go grinning to sleep tonight with some warm fuzzy psychedelic memories of a better age. (Watched Tales of Brave Ulysses next...Ginger's a madman for sure!)
Quote from: billmehess on May 01, 2009, 12:17:30 AM
Well that's one way to get out of not having to show it. Of course he did not really send it to anybody. Hopefully if he did it would have been to Sterling, but we all know by now what's really going on- don't we.
I still don't understand MyLow's mindset.
Yes, he's been branded as a fake etc. Yes, he's been traumatized by the 'MIB', FBI etc etc.
Yes, it has been painful to endure the past 2 months. But he has managed to show more than one configuration of a spinning device.
Now, if your invention is legitimate and there is no doubt in your mind that you indeed have a good, honest to God device that is not faked in any way, why would you not do the simple logical thing of having it confirmed by a reputable organization? Beats me indeed. After all, you have even told the MIB to 'go to hell'! What is there to hide?
cheers
chrisC
I hope he sent it to Bill, Que or ClanZer.
Maybel Tinsel?
By the way, everybody sure those magnets are sitting same polarity facing up toward the stator?
I just tried monkeying around a little and when I changed the polarity on some of the rotor magnets I had to rearrange the others , but, some interesting things there.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2009, 12:29:25 AM
@nyctuber: Eh, what's that, now, 5 "last videos" from Mylow? I've lost track.
Thanks for the Cream, btw, that was a blast from the past for sure, I'll go grinning to sleep tonight with some warm fuzzy psychedelic memories of a better age. (Watched Tales of Brave Ulysses next...Ginger's a madman for sure!)
It hasn't been a total loss. Mylow's meeting with Sterling gave me a brilliant idea for a self starting Permanent Napkin Motor. I am currently in testing phase, and preliminary results indicate Kleenex with Aloe creates the necessary eddy currents on a pressed hemp platter to reach 2000 RPM, using a fromunda cheese stator!
Seriously though, Mylow's motor is en route to Sterling's house. Look out for a small bird with a large aluminum disk in it's beak.
Excellent idea, but I think if you use a canary in place of the cheese stator speeds of at least 5000 rpm would be acheesed I mean achieved.
Quote from: billmehess on May 01, 2009, 01:10:37 AM
Excellent idea, but I think if you use a canary in place of the cheese stator speeds of at least 5000 rpm would be acheesed I mean achieved.
Genius.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/
Can this get any stranger?
http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/
Mylow has posted yet another video showing his motor turning, this time in reverse as he swaps orientation of the stator magnets. Account of NSA agent coming back to his apartment to make amends.
Here's a review of today's correspondence with Mylow in this unfolding saga regarding the all-magnet motor he has been talking about and now demonstrating again in videos at YouTube.
Quote from: sterlinga on May 01, 2009, 02:18:15 AM
http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/
Mylow has posted yet another video showing his motor turning, this time in reverse as he swaps orientation of the stator magnets. Account of NSA agent coming back to his apartment to make amends.
Here's a review of today's correspondence with Mylow in this unfolding saga regarding the all-magnet motor he has been talking about and now demonstrating again in videos at YouTube.
Sterling, this is a sadistic exercise. I thought the cherry on the cake was Mylow's notation saying he sent it to a third party (presumably you), but now you say he sent it to a TOTAL STRANGER in GERMANY? Stop this already. You and Mylow are toying with people's hopes and emotions. There is NO F***ING WAY anyone believes Mylow sent his motor to GERMANY. If you're going to try rake in money off suckers by selling plans without ANY validation, I would say at this point it constitutes fraud and possibly grand larceny. Either get get your hands on Mylows motor, or end this.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 02:37:20 AM
Sterling, this is a sadistic exercise. I thought the cherry on the cake was Mylow's notation about sending it to a third party (presumably you), but now you say he sent it to a TOTAL STRANGER in GERMANY? Stop this already. You and Mylow are toying with people's hopes and emotions. There is NO F***ING WAY anyone believes Mylow sent his motor to GERMANY. If you're going to try rake in money off suckers by selling plans without ANY validation, I would say at this point it constitutes fraud and possibly grand larceny. Either get get your hands on Mylows motor, or end this.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry! I think space aliens parachuting from UFO's are much more believable. This story beats any stories the National Enquirer can come up with.
cheers
chrisC
Sterling:
If he has already shipped the motor to Germany, can you at least maybe get Mylow to fax/mail you a copy of the document he signed? That would lend a lot of credibility to the rest of this story. And please, do not tell me he didn't keep a copy of it because no one would sign any legal document and not retain a copy. I believe this would be very helpful to the situation. No, I know he won't post it and won't let you but, he could at least let you read what it says. This will be interesting.
Bill
He had me at " Doctor Doolittle".
Everybody convinced yet?
If he really wanted help out humanity and see his motor replicated he easily could have allowed somebody to come over and go through the building process with him and document it.
This utter fantasy land already.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 01, 2009, 02:45:28 AM
He had me at " Doctor Doolittle".
Everybody convinced yet?
If he really wanted help out humanity and see his motor replicated he easily could have allowed somebody to come over and go through the building process with him and document it.
This utter fantasy land already.
Michael Jackson didn't want to grow up and named his ranch 'NeverLand'. Sterlinga didn't want to stop believing and hence we have 'Fantasyland'. MyLow didn't want anything to do with the only motor than trumped the laws of Physics and he sent it to Germany! That's why we have a comedy show.
cheers
chrisC
I guess if I sound negative about MYLOW ever letting anyone examine his motor I must be one of the "obnoxious pessimists" that will be getting a black eye.
Well, I got a bag full of about 80 magnets, a nice heavy bearing and 3 15.5" aluminum disks I will be defending myself with if that ever comes to pass.
How's that for optomism?
Quote from: billmehess on May 01, 2009, 03:00:51 AM
OMG!!!
I thought this was over, I am totally convinced that Mylow is a out of work television soap opera writer (the Chicago truck driver routine is all a put on)
I really felt he was finished but like a good horror movie he keeps coming back over and over and over and...
Is there no end to this? Stefan is he sending it to you? LOL
Mylow please turn your motor sideways and use a rock for the staor I am sure it will run better than ever.
@billmehess
well, if he did indeed send it to Stefan, then there is hope. If it was just made up, then we have a comedy show and you'll know there will never be independent verfication. Let's hope it's Stefan.
cheers
chrisC
Of course there's always the chance that the
MIB will intercept the shipment, or something else
will happen that the shipment never arrives.
I'll bet TK's $1k is safe
MYLOW should post a Bessler wheel next, I 'm sure that would be no problem for him.
Or better yet, he could sign a NDA with Steorn or Perendev or Lutec!
I know what this is !
This is a new season series of The Young and The Restless where the plot changes from Brooke's Bedroom to Mylow's Laboratory.
Say tuned for the next exciting episode.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 01, 2009, 03:35:37 AM
I know what this is !
This is a new season series of The Young and The Restless where the plot changes from Brooke's bedroom to Mylow's Laboratory.
Say tuned for the next episode.
Hans von Lieven
Hey Hans:
You really shouldn't watch too much of these soaps. They WILL affect the way you look at reality! Hehe.
cheers
chrisC
As I said earlier: this is still know Howard, not know how.
Quote from: chrisC on May 01, 2009, 03:37:55 AM
Hey Hans:
You really shouldn't watch too much of these soaps. They WILL affect the way you look at reality! Hehe.
cheers
chrisC
Seriously Chris, this will really work, especially if Mylow has a cute butt. It will make millions !
Hans von Lieven
...
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 03:55:27 AM
...
okay what-ta fuck is going here
where is wattsup
just ban the trolls
that's it
simple
Quote from: zapnic on May 01, 2009, 04:11:05 AM
okay what-ta fuck is going here
where is wattsup
just ban the trolls
that's it
simple
Perhaps you should read the thread to understand why Mylow's motor is en route to Germany by way of Neptune and you see trolls where there are none.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 04:15:35 AM
Perhaps you should read the thread to understand why Mylow's motor is en route to Germany by way of Neptune and you see trolls where there are none.
second time
"
okay what-ta fuck is going here
where is wattsup
just ban the trolls
that's it
simple"
@ zapnic,
If you were to ban the trolls, this thread would not exist. Mylow would have been out of here a long time ago.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: zapnic on May 01, 2009, 04:11:05 AM
okay what-ta fuck is going here
where is wattsup
just ban the trolls
that's it
simple
@zapnic
Not too fast. Trolls add balance to a otherwise one sided story. Besides, humor is the best medicine. Don't you think so?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: zapnic on May 01, 2009, 04:18:06 AM
second time
"
okay what-ta fuck is going here
This is what's going on here:
Quote from: chrisC on May 01, 2009, 04:21:00 AM
@zapnic
Not too fast. Trolls add balance to a otherwise one sided story. Besides, humor is the best medicine. Don't you think so?
cheers
chrisC
if someone want post stupid pictures here
THERE IS PLACE FOR THAT
ITS CALL 4CHAN
So, he does`nt send it to Sterling or PMM tester but to someone in Germany????
Sigh...
Maybe he sent it to Stefan ;D. If not and it's really being sent to Germany Stefan should go videotape it.
Yeah...
The statements about it being weird him sending it to someone in Germany seem a little misplaced considering this site is hosted in Germany and the creator of the site, if memory serves, lives in or around Germany.
Also, in my opinion, the pictures that have appeared in the thread of late are very childish.
The Torbay thread was pretty good and the Tesla spelled backwards OCPMM was entertaining but................
In light of the most recent developments...........
The "FEMMY Award" goes to....-........
Mylow and Sterling
Thank the bird and cat and get off the stage now.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 01, 2009, 02:58:27 AM
I guess if I sound negative about MYLOW ever letting anyone examine his motor I must be one of the "obnoxious pessimists" that will be getting a black eye.
Well, I got a bag full of about 80 magnets, a nice heavy bearing and 3 15.5" aluminum disks I will be defending myself with if that ever comes to pass.
How's that for optomism?
:D
Yes they do make good projectiles when flying off a spinning motor!
Obnoxious pessimists don't get black eyes because they don't exist. Obnoxious pessimists are just fake pessimists because a real one would just go away.
There is a limit to trying to save grief and money for others by showing the impossibility or fake-ability. By now the 'others' should have understood that point and also left - unless they are optimists.
The ones hard to reveal are the fake optimists :)
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
okay...time for stefan to fess up....did you get the fedex yet?
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
It's amazing how real science would not tolerate censorship but these kinds of discussion groups often have moderators with their own agnedas.
Quote from: waynegage on May 01, 2009, 09:53:11 AM
It's amazing how real science would not tolerate censorship but these kinds of discussion groups often have moderators with their own agnedas.
And, as any student of censorship will tell you, what most often gets censored is the Truth. Foul language, lies, mistakes, misquotes, personal attacks, etc. often seem to make it past the censors, but often, the Truth does not.
"The credibility thing was at razor's edge as one NEC member after another weighed in on the subject, saying this was most likely a fraud, and that I had jeopardized the reputation of the NEC and FreeEnergyNews by putting so much focus on Mylow in the past month+. Jim Dunn, a primary advisor, told me flat out that I should consider resigning as the head of NEC (which I founded) due to the fallout of this credibility boondoggle."
http://pesn.com/2009/04/30/9501533_Mylow-posts-running-bar-magnet-motor/
I guess this means Sterling will be stepping down.
repost
Sterling should declare that Mylow showed great bravery but was unable to withstand the enormous pressure from the forces of darkness. As a result, Mylow's breakthrough has been effectively lost.
With that, Sterling can move on to the Bessler wheel, or whatever catches his fancy.
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
OK, Bye.
I apologize if I was inappropriate. Just got frustrated with the outrageousness of this whole thing.
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
No need to pull a ban stick on this thread. Those of you who are serious about the saga, you have your own builder's thread. Please, don't read this thread anymore. Go overthere and stay there: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.0;topicseen
Leave this thread to those of us who are more science oriented and skeptical about the saga. Don't start banning us just because we believe in real and genuine FE research. What is this world going into when scammers become leaders.
If we let scammers soil FE to the point of no return, then who is going to trust the true FE researchers. Who is going to believe me when I publish my results on the carbon spark gap technology I have been researching and experimenting?
I can tell you that though. I will not go anymore to Peswiki or Sterling for validation.
Miki out.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
I apologize if I was inappropriate. Just got frustrated with the outrageousness of this whole thing.
do like me stand back and wait
do not post stupid post's every hour
if you have good info or theory then post
if this thing real or fake so what
try for yourself or wait if someone makes it
time will tell
bye
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
Okay, now the permissions are again set right for Wattsup to be moderator.
Please all be more polite over here.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
I'm just waiting for @stefan to put back the moderator permissions since the change to the new software.
Some of you guys will now be banned from the thread. That's it. I have had it with your shit mongering and it will end soon. @ellubpt get ready to pack your bags and all others concerned, if you don't remove your posts yourselves before I get my permissions back, you are also out of here. And I will also then request @stefan ban you from the forum. We have banned people for much less but I guess you guys just can't help yourselves. Insulting is your only way of communication. Well count your days. lol
@Wattsup
Despite your good intentions, you need to ask yourself why you're doing it? Is it because you're frustrated that some people here treat this as a comedy show? You already have another builders thread for supposedly more serious builders and I think that was the right thing to do. Now, whether you will eventually be able to validate MyLow's discovery is still anybody's guess because up to now, even with more videos from MyLow, no one has yet been able to duplicate this supposedly new and simpler configuration of bar magnets with albeit two stator magnets.
So, some people here are shit mongering? If you read with an open mind, do you see why they would react like they do? As if the MIB is not enough, you have the MIB asking for forgiveness and then this Holy Grail got shipped to Germany. All of these may still be true and we hope they are indeed true and that's why we are still on this (not so serious thread)! When we get our build in better form, we'll migrate to the builder's thread to share with everyone else. I certainly will do that myself.
Meanwhile, please leave these people alone. They have every right to belong here, just as you have. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
I've watched the latest videos and it does seem plausible, even possible that he's built this to self start. However, the methods (or lack thereof) of any type of validation is completely missing.
My sticking points with the back story:
1. Ripped up first document presented to him from the NSA man. Why? Why not scan it in to validate that this was happening to you?
2. The "meeting" with "them" who had you build a motor in front of you, letting you in on all sorts of secrets. If this was true, I'm sure much of this was classified and you didn't have clearance. If you did see these items, you would have to fill out paperwork stating you didn't see anything, nor talk about it.
3. The meeting with a high level official. Even if you didn't know who Joe Biden is or what he sounded like, a quick search on the net would have provided you all sorts of voice samples to compare with. I think that this is very unprofessional to name drop people such as this without verification.
My sticking points with your device:
1. Part numbers...part numbers...part numbers. Perhaps you're just a tinkerer, but I would like to know what kind of motor the stator magnets were pulled from. How are the poles oriented? Do both stator magnets have N on one end?
2. Show the device running someplace else. Better yet, film setting the entire thing up and then self starting.
3. Get someone in there to look at it. These "I give up" and "this is a fake" videos do nothing to help your cause. If you are getting all of this backlash, then perhaps you need to have this device independently verified (film it even) and then present that. Remove yourself from the equation.
I do think you have something here. I'm not 100% sold on your story, but until this device is independently verified or replicated, then the reality of this device lies only with what you show on your videos. It's time that you move past this phase.
If this is validated, then the more important task of defining the science behind this can be determined, ultimately resulting in much bigger and faster units that could drive a generator. Wouldn't you want to see that?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 02:47:27 AM
They're both psychotic assholes. Sterling should be banned from this and every other free energy site, and Mylow should crawl under a rock and die.
@nyctuber,
I got to ask you a serious question but, without putting your identity in jeopardy. The amount of flip-floppin' you've been demonstrating on this page in just the last couple of days. Have you ever ran in the presendential elections???
And now your demanding Mylow just dies? Who the fuck are you? And how old are you?
How is this tolerable on any forum???
I'm not one for censorship although, there is exceptions to every rule...
The Nephew
Quote from: The Nephew on May 01, 2009, 02:14:19 PM
@nyctuber,
I got to ask you a serious question but, without putting your identity in jeopardy. The amount of flip-floppin' you've been demonstrating on this page in just the last couple of days. Have you ever ran in the presendential elections???
And now your demanding Mylow just dies? Who the fuck are you? And how old are you?
How is this tolerable on any forum???
I'm not one for censorship although, there is exemptions to every rule...
The Nephew
And who exactly are you to sit in judgment of anyone's reaction to this cruel exercise in toying with people's emotions? The idea that I 'demanded' Mylow die is rather absurd. The expression, at least here in the US, is 'go crawl under a rock and die.' Neither of which is meant literally. Give your soapbox a rest.
I think @nyctuber psychotic comment is pretty much right on the money. The latest Mylow video looks really convincing. The self starting slow acceleration is a nice touch. However, this all has to be viewed against the backdrop of the ongoing saga created by Mylow and Sterling. The NSA, MIB, sending the unit off to Germany, Mylow saying that you had better back up this video because I'm going to pull it off Youtube and dismantle the motor. Are these the comments of a sane individual? This reads more like a scripted bit of fun, not to be taken too seriously.
You know what nyctuber,
Seeing what I saw you typed and basing my own conclusions solely on that...Never mind, I won't feed the trolls.
I have nothing more to say to you nyctuber.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 01, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
You know what nyctuber,
Seeing what I saw you type and basing my own conclusions solely on that...Never mind, I won't feed the trolls.
I have nothing more to say to you nyctuber.
Jumping into the middle of a conversation and making assumptions about people always carries the risk of making a fool of oneself. I hope you learned from the experience, there is certainly little else to learn from this story other than how to spot fraud.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
Jumping into the middle of a conversation and making assumptions about people always carries the risk of making a fool of oneself.
First thing you've said that I agree with 100%
Quote from: The Nephew on May 01, 2009, 02:48:42 PM
First thing you've said that I agree with 100%
So you apparently learned nothing and think you are a moral authority over what sort of emotions humans should exhibit when deceived. Here's something you don't know: I've personally given Mylow lots of encouragement. Far more than you, I'd wager. You, my friend, are the troll.
I'm not a gambling man.
Your missing my point nyctuber, I know you've giving Mylow encouragement, I also know your negetivity far out weighs the positives.
Your the first to say "Hey, look at his new video, Mylow did it". But as soon as the skeptics start pointing things out (with good reason too). You flip flop and start making mockery by slandering him and posting childish pictures.
You have NO ideal who he shipped his device too, again your ASSuming things.
Only time will tell my friend...
The Nephew
Quote from: The Nephew on May 01, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
I'm not a gambling man.
Your missing my point nyctuber, I know you've giving Mylow encouragement, I also know your negetivity far out weighs the positives.
Your the first to say "Hey, look at his new video, Mylow did it". But as soon as the skeptics start pointing things out (with good reason too). You flip flop and start making mockery by slandering him and posting childish pictures.
You have NO ideal who he shipped his device too, again your ASSuming things.
Only time will tell my friend...
The Nephew
No, you don't know. I've given Mylow alot of encouragement outside this forum as well. With the unending games Mylow is playing, I have every right to post a picture illustrating the absurdity of it.
What you are demonstrating is compounded ignorance. Show a little repect to the people who have been following this far longer than you, mr '12 posts.'
Can anyone help by pointing out where we could find/purchase the adjustment mechanism that Mylow uses on his new stator assembly?
Thanks,
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 03:32:38 PM
What you are demonstrating is compounded ignorance. Show a little repect to the people who have been following this far longer than you, mr '12 posts.'
Their you go again ASSuming things, some people never learn. Yes I only have 12 posts, I'm not a post wh***e nyctuber. Although I've been a long time lurker/inventor...
Quote from: The Nephew on May 01, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Their you go again ASSuming things, some people never learn. Yes I only have 12 posts, I'm not a post wh***e nyctuber. Although I've been a long time lurker/inventor...
I assumed nothing. You came to the wrong conclusion and made a fool of yourself. Happens all the time. Have a nice day.
It is fake
There is a magnet spinning on top
He does not appear in the video, makes the rotor spin
Watch this video of the 0.16 seconds to 0.23 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
The support of the stator reflects something up
Quote from: August on May 01, 2009, 04:12:31 PM
It is fake
There is a magnet spinning on top
He does not appear in the video, makes the rotor spin
Watch this video of the 0.16 seconds to 0.23 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4uVuK2Ec6Y&feature=channel_page
The support of the stator reflects something up
probably not, there is a mirror at the wall and it reflects light via the stator magnet holder.
The magnet holder bends every time the disc gap goes by, it just bends and that way
the light from the ceiling lamp goes via the wall mirror into the camera.
He also tells this in one video.
Looks pretty amazing the new selfrunning design.
Well, Mylow really needs to invite now some people to take a look at it,
otherwise there will always be fake statements..
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 01, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
probably not, there is a mirror at the wall and it reflects light via the stator magnet holder.
The magnet holder bends every time the disc gap goes by, it just bends and that way
the light from the ceiling lamp goes via the wall mirror into the camera.
He also tells this in one video.
Looks pretty amazing the new selfrunning design.
Well, Mylow really needs to invite now some people to take a look at it,
otherwise there will always be fake statements..
Regards, Stefan.
@Stefan:
Can you state once and for all if MyLow's machine got sent to you? If not, do you know where it went? Thanks.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on May 01, 2009, 04:19:56 PM
@Stefan:
Can you state once and for all if MyLow's machine got sent to you? If not, do you know where it went? Thanks.
cheers
chrisC
The answer is no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyAX9corOuQ&feature=channel_page (45 minutes ago)
From what I read (and I have read most of this thread since I have been following it almost from day one) there are a handle full of you that will never accept the fact that this works, this is rather evident since that no matter what Mylow does to appease you in the way of tests, they will never be good enough for one reason or another. You will always come up with another test or excuse of why it wasn't good enough.
This is exactly why people like him (those that have a working device) will never release it here or if they do it will be to show it and then move on. I can feel for Mylow's predicament, if I came up with something like this I would want to share it as well, I am not in it for the $$, the notoriety would be enough. He is frustrated, he is not a scientist but a garage tinkerer basically, which I presume a vast majority of us are. Sure we have A$$holes out there that try to take us for a ride or rip us off but he is not interested in anything but sharing. But you guys have to deride him at every turn because he doesn't do what you want him to. Imagine that he is getting this from thousands of people doing this, wouldn't you get tired of it pretty quickly? Think about the bigger picture.
You post things saying it is impossible, it will not work because I tried it. What makes you guys think you are the only one that can do it or you are smarter therefore if I can't no one can. Please... get real, there is always someone out there that is smarter, faster, or better than you. Not everyone has the same thoughts or ideas or looks at something the same way, so they do it differently and get different results, I say get over your ego's.
@TK, and PL, I would never submit my invention to a university for validation, because it will disappear. Do you think the government or big business is not watching these places? If you think otherwise you are disillusioned. They (the Gov and Big Biz) steal tech from unsuspecting people everyday (amongst other things).
If I had a discovery I would place it in the public domain and provide the best docs I could for replication (to the best of my ability) and then let those who are interested take a shot at it. Maybe after a few months I would then show it in public (a demo) to show it works. Would I submit to your pressure to test it your way, hell no. If it works it works, I know it and that is good enough for me and I am sure this is what Mylow thinks as well. If someone wanted to pay me $$ for it I wouldn't take it, call me goofy but I am in this for more than the $$, which Mylow is as well from what I have read and seen. There is more to life than $$, if you are stuck on that then you have bigger problems to worry about.
This forum has gone down hill. What a shame. More people are interested in debunking than inventing or helping. BTW, you are not helping by attacking everyone that comes up with an idea or device, you are hindering progress.
Quote from: starcruiser on May 01, 2009, 05:07:45 PM@TK, and PL, I would never submit my invention to a university for validation, because it will disappear. Do you think the government or big business is not watching these places? If you think otherwise you are disillusioned. They (the Gov and Big Biz) steal tech from unsuspecting people everyday (amongst other things).
If I had a discovery I would place it in the public domain and provide the best docs I could for replication (to the best of my ability) and then let those who are interested take a shot at it.
You do both, public domain and allow Universities to analyze it. Are you even aware of all of major Universities, including MIT, that's working on *Cold* fusion this very moment?
PL
Quote from: PaulLowrance on May 01, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
You do both, public domain and allow Universities to analyze it. Are you even aware of all of major Universities, including MIT, that's working on *Cold* fusion this very moment?
PL
Really? Oh, we must all be living in the stone age... or are just trying to get free energy from diode arrays!
cheers
chrisC
It's kind of sad to see so many people trying to maintain the present path, which clearly allows for people to obtain massive attention from doing fake videos and continue to destroy the free energy movement. Ask yourself why would anyone would to destroy the free energy movement, LOL. Hello?
stefan, so you're in the same boat as sterling? you think mylow's last video is amazing? How much would you pay to have the same machine faked, except I'll replace the magnets with pickles.
PL
Quote from: starcruiser on May 01, 2009, 05:07:45 PM
@TK, and PL, I would never submit my invention to a university for validation, because it will disappear. Do you think the government or big business is not watching these places? If you think otherwise you are disillusioned. They (the Gov and Big Biz) steal tech from unsuspecting people everyday (amongst other things).
Unlike, apparently, some others here, I have actually attended several universities. I even have the left-handed honor of flunking out of the mechanical engineering program at the University of Texas in Austin.
Yes, many of the labs are watched by CIA and that mob.
No, a magnet motor would not have disappeared. In fact, it would have been very eagerly looked at and tested by any number of itinerant grad students looking to make a name and a career in an extremely competitive field.
Now, YouTube, on the other hand...none of the intelligence agencies pay any attention to YouTube. The way to prevent your tech from being stolen by Gov and Big Biz is to post your tech on YouTube. That'll foil 'em good.
Heres a tip if you're looking for banana magnets in electric motors.
You want to focus your intentions on DC motors and NOT ac motors.
Today i found several different sets in varying sizes of motors.
You will not BTW need to RE-polarize the magnet through the thickness as every set i checked today were all magnetized in the same sense . .through the thickness - this is not to say that you cannot buy these kind of magnets polarized through the length - but i would guess that all DC motors have the mags polarized the same way.
Queue
Quote from: queue on May 01, 2009, 06:45:41 PM
Heres a tip if you're looking for banana magnets in electric motors.
You want to focus your intentions on DC motors and NOT ac motors.
Today i found several different sets in varying sizes of motors.
You will not BTW need to RE-polarize the magnet through the thickness as every set i checked today were all magnetized in the same sense . .through the thickness - this is not to say that you cannot buy these kind of magnets polarized through the length - but i would guess that all DC motors have the mags polarized the same way.
Queue
Queue,
I think MyLow said that his U shaped magnets that he got from a DC motor were magnetized through the thickness. But that he re-magnetized them through the length so that they would work in his setup. One end of the banana is south the other is north.
Justalabrat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0)
Bcc: Mylow
I've got a page started for providing information relevant to replicating the "Version 2.0" Mylow Motor as posted April 29-30.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans:Version_2.0
I'll be including this information in the Version 2.0 plans I'm getting ready to post via http://MylowPlans.com (hoping to have it done by tonight?)
Today I had two of the HS-90 and 60 of the CB-65 sent to Mylow. He should be getting them around Tuesday. He'll also be getting a replacement aluminum rotor disc and stator assembly made by PMMTester just like the one he has been using.
I also had a set of those magnets sent to me.
There are plenty of CB-65s, but only 22 HS-90s left in stock over at AllMagnetics.com Ask for Felix and mention the "PES" code for a discount.
Sterling
Shouldn't you have mailed the magnets to Germany....
Quote from: nyctuber on May 01, 2009, 07:57:27 PMShouldn't you have mailed the magnets to Germany....
IMO, mylow only said that to sterling just in case sterling did another surprise visit. IOW, if sterling knocked on mylow's door today, mylow could say he shipped it to Germany.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 01, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
[snip]
Looks pretty amazing the new selfrunning design.
Well, Mylow really needs to invite now some people to take a look at it,
otherwise there will always be fake statements..
Regards, Stefan.
Harti,
I saw a film about how magicians do some of their illusions. For example, there was a very large box with light-weight skeleton and paper sides. It was mounted on chairs. Volunteers than came up to the box and easily lifted it off the chairs and carefully placed the fragile box on the asphalt. They then stepped away from the box and a few seconds later a convertible car drove out of this paper box with a nice girl driving it. Unfortunately, they did not reveal the trick how this illusion was done.
The next trick was a open table and the camera showed all sides, the top, and underneath. Above the table was a large circular saw. The magician used the saw to cut a thick piece of wood in half. Then a lady laid down on the table. He proceeded to saw through her dress and he cut her in half. When she got up, you could see the rip in her dress. The camera showed the table again and nothing unusual.
They then explained how this illusion was done and I must say it was very clever.
Whether watching this on video or even in person in the audience, you would be convinced that the poor woman was cut in half.
What this shows is that you can not trust your eyes. Anyone who thinks that videos from Mylow or anyone else can prove or disprove something are allowing themselves to be fooled.
Only the physical, hands-on presence of qualified specialists with sufficient time to make valid measurements would be in a position to prove or disprove Mylow's (or Mister XYZ's) claims.
Until this is done, Mylow has shown nothing, done nothing. There is no way to "go around" the scientific method and remain credible.
His purported discovery must be examined and be reproduced, videos are worth nothing, even passively watching it in Chicago has no value.
If I was a magician, I would fabricate two bearing assemblies. One I would show on camera to prove that there is no motor or battery inside. The other one would look identical on the outside, but be totally different on the inside where it would have a small motor and battery. There are no eyes to see which one I am using. Even with a visiting Engineer, it only takes a short distraction to exchange the bearing, just shown, with a different one.
Without a thorough examination of this device, everything said here or on Utube is just hot air. Without the utilization of the scientific method, all discussions are a waste of time. Until now, I see no inclination of Mylow to follow the scientific method, even though it would have been easy for him. Of course, he is free to do as he pleases.
The last two videos are sufficient to extract the physical measurements of all element placements and sizes. If you have $500 to $1000 dollars and some time, by all means try to replicate. At the most you will be deceived and at the least you will have fun and learn something. If this would strain your budget and your family suffers, don't try it.
Sterling would have taken a hotel and stayed long enough in Chicago for Mylow to have shown him his motor. But no, not even Sterling may see the motor or the magnets that Sterling paid for and sent overnight.
Mylow throws in the towel, but he doesn't send the device to Sterling or Harti. Sending the large, heavy disk along with all the heavy steel magnets from Chicago to Utah is a LOT LESS expensive than sending it to Germany, which will cost serious money and customs duties and taxes on top. Is Mylow even telling the truth about sending it away? Looking back at this saga, one has to ask how to spell the word bizarre?
Harti, do you remember the student prank with the electrodes in a glass of water that started to froth and boil strongly at a certain frequency? You got very excited by that video. Do you and everyone else understand that videos are worthless? The student did it because he got frustrated at being unable to achieve OU. Two OU.com members got frustrated and made fakes. Remember you found one of them by inspecting your server IP-nr logs? The other confessed. So maybe after 30 years of frustration, Mylow also gave into temptation and made very clever fakes ?????? Only the scientific method will tell.
My 2 cents.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: Earl on May 01, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
Harti,
I saw a film about how magicians do some of their illusions. For example, there was a very large box with light-weight skeleton and paper sides. It was mounted on chairs. Volunteers than came up to the box and easily lifted it off the chairs and carefully placed the fragile box on the asphalt. They then stepped away from the box and a few seconds later a convertible car drove out of this paper box with a nice girl driving it. Unfortunately, they did not reveal the trick how this illusion was done.
The next trick was a open table and the camera showed all sides, the top, and underneath. Above the table was a large circular saw. The magician used the saw to cut a thick piece of wood in half. Then a lady laid down on the table. He proceeded to saw through her dress and he cut her in half. When she got up, you could see the rip in her dress. The camera showed the table again and nothing unusual.
They then explained how this illusion was done and I must say it was very clever.
Whether watching this on video or even in person in the audience, you would be convinced that the poor woman was cut in half.
What this shows is that you can not trust your eyes. Anyone who thinks that videos from Mylow or anyone else can prove or disprove something are allowing themselves to be fooled.
Only the physical, hands-on presence of qualified specialists with sufficient time to make valid measurements would be in a position to prove or disprove Mylow's (or Mister XYZ's) claims.
Until this is done, Mylow has shown nothing, done nothing. There is no way to "go around" the scientific method and remain credible.
His purported discovery must be examined and be reproduced, videos are worth nothing, even passively watching it in Chicago has no value.
If I was a magician, I would fabricate two bearing assemblies. One I would show on camera to prove that there is no motor or battery inside. The other one would look identical on the outside, but be totally different on the inside where it would have a small motor and battery. There are no eyes to see which one I am using. Even with a visiting Engineer, it only takes a short distraction to exchange the bearing, just shown, with a different one.
Without a thorough examination of this device, everything said here or on Utube is just hot air. Without the utilization of the scientific method, all discussions are a waste of time. Until now, I see no inclination of Mylow to follow the scientific method, even though it would have been easy for him. Of course, he is free to do as he pleases.
The last two videos are sufficient to extract the physical measurements of all element placements and sizes. If you have $500 to $1000 dollars and some time, by all means try to replicate. At the most you will be deceived and at the least you will have fun and learn something. If this would strain your budget and your family suffers, don't try it.
Sterling would have taken a hotel and stayed long enough in Chicago for Mylow to have shown him his motor. But no, not even Sterling may see the motor or the magnets that Sterling paid for and sent overnight.
Mylow throws in the towel, but he doesn't send the device to Sterling or Harti. Sending the large, heavy disk along with all the heavy steel magnets from Chicago to Utah is a LOT LESS expensive than sending it to Germany, which will cost serious money and customs duties and taxes on top. Is Mylow even telling the truth about sending it away? Looking back at this saga, one has to ask how to spell the word bizarre?
Harti, do you remember the student prank with the electrodes in a glass of water that started to froth and boil strongly at a certain frequency? You got very excited by that video. Do you and everyone else understand that videos are worthless? The student did it because he got frustrated at being unable to achieve OU. Two OU.com members got frustrated and made fakes. Remember you found one of them by inspecting your server IP-nr logs? The other confessed. So maybe after 30 years of frustration, Mylow also gave into temptation and made very clever fakes ?????? Only the scientific method will tell.
My 2 cents.
Regards, Earl
I agree 110%. Perfect post. Only logical thinking. Now if we all read this a few times over, and all agree (you too Sterling), we will have made major progress!
"His purported discovery must be examined and be reproduced, videos are worth nothing, even passively watching it in Chicago has no value."
Thanks,
Joe
There is an influence that may be important to consider.
The lamp !
Aluminum does circulate eddy currents and the lamp does seem to be ever present.
Im not saying that it is fake but there is an influence from the lamp, however small.
It may be unknown to Mylow.
I have asked sterling to check this out but there has been no response, and Im sure he has other things to do.
I would ask other replicators to check out this influence as it may be relevant to the quest, whatever the case.
your power meter in your house uses this method to calculate your usage
I want to be wrong about this.
Lindsay
Quote from: Justalabrat on May 01, 2009, 07:21:34 PM
Queue,
I think MyLow said that his U shaped magnets that he got from a DC motor were magnetized through the thickness. But that he re-magnetized them through the length so that they would work in his setup. One end of the banana is south the other is north.
Justalabrat
The magnets in dc motors are hard ferrite which is anisotropic material.
I think(pretty sure) that one cannot change the polarization of this kind of magnet - even with a re-magnetizer or even if your name is Mylow.
i could be wrong .. the only way we could know for sure
was if Mylow had taken a compass and shown us the polarity ..
MUTE - it's too late now.
If those magnets came out of a DC motor they are probably polarized just like all the ones i found today, through the thickness.
i don't have a remagnetizer or i would try it myself for fun as i never have ..
but if someone has one ( what about u TK ? ) maybe try it and let us know... you can get a cheap DC motor at the electronics store for two bucks to get the mags to try it with..
Queue
This last video from Mylow is NOT a fake.
You can clearly see the acceleration in each and every series of magnets. It is just like those SMOTs but instead of creating many block in linear straight line, Mylow did in 2 blocks around a circle clearly creating a infinite straight 2 blocks of magnets.
Simply, genial. I have seem many SMOTS before but none in circular phasion.
The video is not manipulated, neither the sound and the acceleration is totaly inline with the SMOT principles one sees over and over again when using weaker magnets such as those in his video.
Also, he shows his face which is a no-no for any fake replicators out there and I think he did by mistake and did not even knew it until it was on youtube. (speculation of my part).
I think this time Mylow really did it and totally deserves our attention and efforts in replicating.
His other video dissassembling the motor is more proof of his intentions.
I still think a third party eye witness is a must to avoid any logical skepticism.
I really think this video, even though is still possible to fake, is very unlikely to be a fake. The effects very close to reality here is very good for someone to fake it and show his face on top of all the impossible to believe stories.
I am convinced his is the real thing here!
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on May 01, 2009, 09:41:18 PM
This last video from Mylow is NOT a fake.
I am convinced his is the real thing here!
Fausto.
Let's say 10 people believe it's real, and 10 people believe it's fake.
Who is the jury/judge? Sterling? Are there no set of rules for those 20 people to go by? If there are no logical rules, then what is the point of all this?
Thanks,
Joe
Quoteauthor=queue
...I think(pretty sure) that one cannot change the polarization of this kind of magnet - even with a re-magnetizer or even if your name is Mylow...
Queue
You're right.
I've tried a few polarization experiments with ferrite & they return to their original state when you remove the magnetizing field.
Put a neo and ferrite in attraction, then reverse them into repulsion.
When the stronger magnet is forced past the bloch wall, the ferrite reverses polarity and becomes attracted. Remove the neo and the ferrite returns to it's original state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH-I3RAjf4
Quote from: pinestone on May 01, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
You're right.
I've tried a few polarization experiments with ferrite & they return to their original state when you remove the magnetizing field.
Put a neo and ferrite in attraction, then reverse them into repulsion.
When the stronger magnet is forced past the bloch wall, the ferrite reverses polarity and becomes attracted. Remove the neo and the ferrite returns to it's original state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH-I3RAjf4
Followed that link in your vids INFO section ..
then landed in University of Texas department of physics ..
Nice !
Honestly ..these days though :
When we're talking about magnet motors that seem to be working one has to wonder a bit about everything we think we know about magnetics..
Hope we're right about the ferrite ..
Thanks
Queue
@ Mylow, quit being an ass hole, now you want to attack the owner of ou? Stef has left this open forum for us all to debate all topics. Including yours. Your videos would have never lasted so long without the ou forum. On another note, I can be at your place in 12 hours to record. Let me guess. Not gonna happen. X00013@msn.com
With that said, as far as open sourcing goes, U need new friends. Open source friends
Quote from: nyctuber on May 02, 2009, 01:36:57 AM
Yes, I asked Mylow why he won't allow Sterling to see it. He took it as an attack. I saved a screenshot in case he decides to 'sue' me. Bring it on, buddy. The mother of all countersuits will follow.
And BTW Mylow, people who toy with people's emotions like you have should crawl under a rock and die. There, I said it again. Sue me.
can i ask what are you trying to do?
if this mylow motor is fake or real so what
but this is going nowhere
@nyctuber
you should have talked him (mylow) into jumping ship to energeticforum.com, less noise, actual moderation instead of censorship, about 1/10th of the talking heads...
speaking of talking heads, i just looked at your profile, 6.3 posts a day and you have been here a month. 90% of your posts are in this thread... and you have yet to show us a picture of YOUR PMM. you gonna step up and build something or are you just another gravy train rider?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 02, 2009, 02:13:54 AM
Do me a favor and do not assume the role of life coach or transcendental being.
You, me, and everyone here are trying to get Mylow to allow third party validation of his motor, which no one has been able to reproduce. Do not pretend a working permanent magnet motor would classify as 'so what.'
but if mylow don't want show it to anybody that's he's problem not my not yours
that is mylow's business what he is doing his machine
time will tell if this thing is real or fake
but this way what you and others are trying do is one big mess
Quote from: nyctuber on May 02, 2009, 02:45:48 AM
All we've really done is offer the guy a ton of moral support, in the face of one outrageous story after another. It wears thin after a month and a half. Mylow's stated intent from the beginning has been to open source it, 'give it to the world.' Yet, no one can reproduce it, and no one see it to validate, even Sterling Allen, who he has met and trusts. I don't like people who play games with people's hopes.
have nice day
good luck "for your games"
The only way to find out if it is real is to build it yourself.
What have you got to lose?
Building one and discussing that might be good idea ...Mylow does not need to say or do anything as he has already done enough to get the yapping terriers of doubt from under their couches.
My only question is about the eddy currents from the lamp.
I hope that somebody who is building one might answer that one.
There is no burden of proof required unless of course you have bought one from him.
There is enough info to build one and a few are doing that. So good luck to them and thank you Mylow!
One question to those who assume it is a hoax. What if you are wrong?
Are you a part of the solution or a part of the problem?
Therefore why even bother yapping?
Perhaps your effort might be better directed towards encouraging the builders. But then you would not receive the negative attention that you obviously know that you deserve.
Well done pooches!
Quote from: Mannix on May 02, 2009, 02:58:26 AM
The only way to find out if it is real is to build it yourself.
What have you got to lose?
Building one and discussing that might be good idea ...Mylow does not need to say or do anything as he has already done enough to get the yapping terriers of doubt from under their couches.
My only question is about the eddy currents from the lamp.
I hope that somebody who is building one might answer that one.
There is no burden of proof required unless of course you have bought one from him.
There is enough info to build one and a few are doing that. So good luck to them and thank you Mylow!
One question to those who assume it is a hoax. What if you are wrong?
Are you a part of the solution or a part of the problem?
Therefore why even bother yapping?
Perhaps your effort might be better directed towards encouraging the builders. But then you would not receive the negative attention that you obviously know that you deserve.
Well done pooches!
hello mannix
he he eddy currents+ tpu =power?
just guessing
bye
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Stefan Hartmann
Cc: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 1:33 AM
Subject: Overunity allows over the top rude
Stefan,
As you know, inventors have their quirks.
But in Mylow we've had one of the most giving people we've ever come across.
One of his quirks has been an overly sensitive nature when it comes to skepticism and threats.
Now, due to all the negative comments at YouTube, he's deleted all but one of his videos, and one the one video, he's posted a comment superimposed over the video, directed to OverUnity.com -- your website.
Tonight in my phone conversation with him, he said he was going to post a bunch more videos, including one showing his remagnetizer, one on the glass table, and one showing it running out on the sidewalk in front of his apartment, etc.
But now with all the trash (crass negativism) you allow on your site, we'll be lucky if we get any more videos.
The next thing we'll see may be on national/international television.
Yes, he'll be vindicated, but the open source process will not have been served very well.
I recommend that you put a tighter reign on your moderating, to create a more gentle environment for sensitive inventors.
Sterling D. Allan
=============
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 1:29 AM
Subject: rude Overunity
Hi Mylow,
I agree that OverUnity has been too rude.
However, the problem is that your response to them tonight via your one remaining video annotation was also very rude. You say "f yourself" several times, which is one of the most rude personal attacks that can be leveled.
The reason I point this out is to show you how easy it is to go to that level. You've done it yourself. I do it myself.
I point this out not to get on your case, but to beseech of you to have more patience with rudeness in others.
You need to forgive, not get even. As Jesus said, "forgive, that you may be forgiven."
Seek the higher path. You keep doing that -- the higher path. Do it again.
Ignore the negativism, as you've been learning to ignore the bullying.
Don't let the negativism stop the progress of this very important work.
Post more videos, Prove the skeptics wrong via more videos.
I recommend removing that negative statement on the one remaining video, and just plow forward with more videos like you were going to do.
Keep up the great work. You're awesome.
Sterling
Quote from: Earl on May 01, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
Harti,
I saw a film about how magicians do some of their illusions. For example, there was a very large box with light-weight skeleton and paper sides. It was mounted on chairs. Volunteers than came up to the box and easily lifted it off the chairs and carefully placed the fragile box on the asphalt. They then stepped away from the box and a few seconds later a convertible car drove out of this paper box with a nice girl driving it. Unfortunately, they did not reveal the trick how this illusion was done.
The next trick was a open table and the camera showed all sides, the top, and underneath. Above the table was a large circular saw. The magician used the saw to cut a thick piece of wood in half. Then a lady laid down on the table. He proceeded to saw through her dress and he cut her in half. When she got up, you could see the rip in her dress. The camera showed the table again and nothing unusual.
They then explained how this illusion was done and I must say it was very clever.
Whether watching this on video or even in person in the audience, you would be convinced that the poor woman was cut in half.
What this shows is that you can not trust your eyes. Anyone who thinks that videos from Mylow or anyone else can prove or disprove something are allowing themselves to be fooled.
Only the physical, hands-on presence of qualified specialists with sufficient time to make valid measurements would be in a position to prove or disprove Mylow's (or Mister XYZ's) claims.
Until this is done, Mylow has shown nothing, done nothing. There is no way to "go around" the scientific method and remain credible.
His purported discovery must be examined and be reproduced, videos are worth nothing, even passively watching it in Chicago has no value.
If I was a magician, I would fabricate two bearing assemblies. One I would show on camera to prove that there is no motor or battery inside. The other one would look identical on the outside, but be totally different on the inside where it would have a small motor and battery. There are no eyes to see which one I am using. Even with a visiting Engineer, it only takes a short distraction to exchange the bearing, just shown, with a different one.
Without a thorough examination of this device, everything said here or on Utube is just hot air. Without the utilization of the scientific method, all discussions are a waste of time. Until now, I see no inclination of Mylow to follow the scientific method, even though it would have been easy for him. Of course, he is free to do as he pleases.
The last two videos are sufficient to extract the physical measurements of all element placements and sizes. If you have $500 to $1000 dollars and some time, by all means try to replicate. At the most you will be deceived and at the least you will have fun and learn something. If this would strain your budget and your family suffers, don't try it.
Sterling would have taken a hotel and stayed long enough in Chicago for Mylow to have shown him his motor. But no, not even Sterling may see the motor or the magnets that Sterling paid for and sent overnight.
Mylow throws in the towel, but he doesn't send the device to Sterling or Harti. Sending the large, heavy disk along with all the heavy steel magnets from Chicago to Utah is a LOT LESS expensive than sending it to Germany, which will cost serious money and customs duties and taxes on top. Is Mylow even telling the truth about sending it away? Looking back at this saga, one has to ask how to spell the word bizarre?
Harti, do you remember the student prank with the electrodes in a glass of water that started to froth and boil strongly at a certain frequency? You got very excited by that video. Do you and everyone else understand that videos are worthless? The student did it because he got frustrated at being unable to achieve OU. Two OU.com members got frustrated and made fakes. Remember you found one of them by inspecting your server IP-nr logs? The other confessed. So maybe after 30 years of frustration, Mylow also gave into temptation and made very clever fakes ?????? Only the scientific method will tell.
My 2 cents.
Regards, Earl
Is everyone blind????
Please read this again.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: nyctuber on May 02, 2009, 04:15:56 AM
Oh no you're 'attacking' Mylow
LOL... This whole thing is a joke! IMO...... Amazing how anyone might believe the Biden story?
Joe
No machine in the world, OU or UU, will even be able to win back the lost energy from these supposedly grown men on an internet forum.
Folks like me cannot help but watch this puppet show.
As nice as MYlow's work seems to be, for now all I've seen is machines that use rotation of an aluminum disc to discharge harmless magnets. An accomplishment by itself, but I've seen bigger things over the past weeks of exploring the OU world.
One thing I must say (can't ever help to be the devil's advocate), I agree with nyctuber that OU devices should be DOING something. Rotation on smooth bearings...fascinating meter readings...none can substitube a wheel grinding flour. Or a wheel splashing the water in a can. Or a coveyor belt lifting sand and random articles, to drop them rather then take them back down again. The sort of work we first used horses an oxes for, then slaves, and then externally powered machines.
Mr. Reed seems to be closer to a meaningful use. I'd rather see a series of 100% OU circuits all running on one battery rather than one 387% OU digitally confirmed one.
Heck, one of his piston rotary engines hooked up to an OU circuit and ever so tiny battery, that would impress me greatly.
Builders should be prepared for scepticism, but sceptics should be able to be supportive even if they're sceptic. It's a win-win situation. If builders fail, you told them so. If they succeed, you contributed.
I'm a rookie in magnetics and electronics, but I'll auto-didact to the point where I can contribute. To speak with Mr. Reed's words "that what I do".
Mylow and Sterling,
Having been an observer of the forum for a long time, I would like to say the following:
Mylow is not all alone in the world against what he feels are bullies; there are obviously a huge number of people out here that have not concluded that his efforts are a scam and therefore get personally offended by it, but to the contrary are eager to see him move forward.
Perhaps Overunity.com is not the proper arena for him, where the tone is quite tough and a few people enjoy letting their emotions out freely, positive and negative. Although I think that attacking people, even starting fights etc. is just a way to lighten the deeper frustrations that we all have inside. For some it feels good to do that, but not all are aware of how it feels to receive such negativity. That’s how people are different.
He has to protect himself, he has had enough hardship because of this, there are limits to how much a person can take, this could make anyone sick! He should not let himself be dragged down further by focusing on the negativity. He has have taken on a tremendous task on his shoulders; he must seek people that will support him!
curox
I wonder if any overunity device will ever be able to offset the carbon emitted from all these wasted postings completely off the topic :)
go beat each other up somewhere else, you making my life difficult trying to read decent material on this site.
I must say I appologise to Mylow for my comments earlier regarding(using his hands possibly as there were never in shot, he has since posted videos where it is clear he doesn't touch the device) but I believe he still hasn't been able to shoot a video that says this is not a fake unfortunately.
So I thought I'd be helpful with some suggestions for the steps required to make a video which would be hard to dispute (bearing in mind people will always dispute) :
1.) device in unassembled form is assembled and shown to work in the same clip, this shouldn't be a problem with such a simple device.
2.) the pavement is probably the best theatre to show it off on.
3.) the video will have to PAN completely 360 degrees to show no nearby devices - To show no "strings" attached - pun intended
4.) the high quality original video (not youtube) should be emailed/posted on CD to someone who can host it DivX quality - maybe sterling could do this.
Thats all I can think of right now, any other suggestions ?
well thats my little waste of energy, i'm off to plant a tree :D
A little reminder ...
All videos are always available at:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos
LightRider
Quote from: LightRider on May 02, 2009, 08:29:40 AM
All videos are always available at:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos
LightRider
Excellent!
Thanks a lot LightRider.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated
<crap snipped>
Quote from: nyctuber
<crap snipped>
Will somebody please ban these two disruptive individuals?
???
Didn't someone on this thread recently say something about not banning and leaving this thread for the scientists?
Sorry to say but -- this does meet the current definition of scientific.
So, if you 'scientists' will stay here I'm against banning any of you. Just stay here. It is obvious you have nothing better to do.
@nyctuber
@wilbyinebriated
Go start your own argument thread so we don't have to read around you two.
It's getting like fu*king day-care around here.
Mylow:
We would sure like to see the work. Please make more videos. If this thing really works as you have shown it over the past 3+ weeks - please allow two people to see it, and visit with you somewhere.
I would be happy to be one of those people.
When I was young, father enjoyed the time he spent with several different magnets. I remember seeing him moving the m around trying to make things happen. I have some 200+ different magnets that I interacts with on a regular basis.
Please show us that it works. . . MYLOW: You can still be a hero.
All be safe. J.
((If he really wanted help out humanity and see his motor replicated he easily could have allowed somebody to come over and go through the building process with him and document it.
-
@ Sterling Allen,
I think the Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose California would be willing to put the Magma Motor on display. Their phone number is 408-294-8324. You could have your friend at San Jose State College talk to them or give them a call yourself. This would probably be the best way for Mylow to show the world that his motor really works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naXObA9uOw&feature=channel_page
Look to the silver bar above the stator magnet: you can see the reflection of something rotating. Very suspicious. This was mentioned in a previous post by "August" but was mostly ignored.
Quote from: petrov2500 on May 02, 2009, 11:03:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naXObA9uOw&feature=channel_page
Look to the silver bar above the stator magnet: you can see the reflection of something rotating. Very suspicious. This was mentioned in a previous post by "August" but was mostly ignored.
The stator mount was moving causing the light reflections. This has already been mentioned and solved in the following video after that one.
All the youtube videos have now been removed from "projectmagma".
.99
My, my, what a morning read. Maybe this thread should spawn a "flame" thread.
One comment: nyctuber and I have had our little quarrels, but at least he has the integrity to be able to change his opinion, based on the current state of "evidence" as it may be known.
I don't know about re_magnetizers (asked a few pages back). The only ones I've seen are either 1) fairly large machines with holding fixtures, coils, and cap banks or pulse power supplies, something not likely to be loaned out; or 2) little arrangements of permanent magnets that can be used, for example, to restore the magnetism of a screwdriver, or to de-mag it. And of course there are portable AC de-gaussing systems of various kinds. So I guess we'll just have to wait for the video showing what he's talking about. No, wait...he's posted his LAST video...again...I've lost track.
As far as all the complicated tests go, I'd just like to see one simple one, at this point: Show it running, stop it, move it over to the left 3 feet, and show it starting up and running again, all in one take.
(Edited a typo that reversed a meaning, if not a magnetization...)
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Stefan Hartmann
Cc: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup ; Mylow newsletter ; NE Congress Tech Review egroup
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Mylow Pulls His Account
Hi Stefan,
(copied to other interested parties)
If people would just be patient and let things evolve naturally and not expect things to move forward in a certain way, but approach it like watching a flower unfolding, then they would be astonished at the beauty of what is here.
More videos will come, with more evidence and elucidation. Third party validations will come. Scientific understanding will come. Replications will abound.
Why do people's first reaction have to be "it must be fake because we all know this is impossible." I would expect that from a mainstream crowd, but I would have thought, and Mylow certainly had thought, that a place like OverUnity.com, by its very name, would not only be open to possibilities, but would be supporters of the same, not enemies.
If overunity.com were my domain, and there were people who were perpetually negative or worse yet, flamers, I would remove their posting rights. It's part of the terms of service of most forums. Troublemakers go to time out, and if they don't reform, they get kicked out. It's part of maintaining the civility of society.
I invite those who wish to have a civil forum to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mylow_Magmo/join where we have a policy against rudeness. Mild offenders will be put on moderated status, and if they keep having to be moderated, they will have their posting privileges removed. Over-the-top rude posters will immediately have their posting status removed, without first going to "moderated" status. Even before we began moderating the group a few days ago, the forum there was a lot more civil and supportive and productive.
In protest, I'm going to stop posting to OverUnity.com until I hear that they have cleaned up their act. They have spoiled this for all of us who are supportive of what Mylow has been doing.
I also have a newsletter with just postings from me on major updates in the project -- frequency ~ 1-2/day. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mylow-News/join
Below are a few emails I've received about this OverUnity.com rudeness issue.
I'm also working on a story at PESN to describe this awful development. Major shame on Overunity.com. In some ways, they've been worse about derailing this process than the MIB element has been.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Hartmann
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: rude Overunity
Hi Sterling I will delete the rude comments when I am back home.
When will Mylow still show the running motor to some visitors ?
If he will not do it,
surely all will say fake after a while.
Regards, Stefan.
=================
The remainder of this email is available at:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/756
seriously? integrity to be able to change his opinion? come on tinsel, you are obviously an educated person, why so daft this morning? need a cup of joe to wake up?
the DEFINITION of integrity is: consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations and outcome.
Hi Sterling. Punched anybody out lately?
Here's a quote from one of your websites:
"I'll tell you this, some of those really obnoxious skeptics who act more like paid provocateurs, should be glad they're not walking around in person with those of us who are trying to help bring this technology forward. They might have a black eye or two."
That sounds awfully much like a physical threat, to me, and makes me vewwy vewwwy uncomfortable, since I am clearly one of those obnoxious skeptics to whom you refer.
Well, in the words of our former President, "Bring it on".
Or remove the threat and apologize, one or the other.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 02, 2009, 12:12:38 PM
seriously? integrity to be able to change his opinion? come on tinsel, you are obviously an educated person, why so daft this morning? need a cup of joe to wake up?
the DEFINITION of integrity is: consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations and outcome.
Calm down, calm down, I agree with you, too, more often than not.
And actually I think I've had too much coffee. I need another beta-blocker.
Stefann, feel free to delete the pointless bandwidth hogging argument which I should have avoided. Sorry about that.
Quote from: sterlinga on May 02, 2009, 12:07:12 PMMore videos will come, with more evidence and elucidation.
I for one am still waiting for the first evidence to come. Youtube video is not evidence.
Quote from: sterlinga on May 02, 2009, 12:07:12 PMWhy do people's first reaction have to be "it must be fake because we all know this is impossible." I would expect that from a mainstream crowd, but I would have thought, and Mylow certainly had thought, that a place like OverUnity.com, by its very name, would not only be open to possibilities, but would be supporters of the same, not enemies.
You're falsely representing people here. Most people here believe in the possibility, but they're getting tired of mylow's games. Every time mylow is about to show it to someone, he comes up with an excuse, every time. After all that has happened, we've seen nothing but youtube videos. Who are you trying to fool, sterling? I agree with your long time friend, Jim Dunn. Stop it!
MyLOW aside, since the replicators seem to be reading this thread, I'd like to repeat an earlier question/challenge: Has anyone, with ANY magnet arrangement on a MyLOW/HJ disk, been able to show a longer rundown time WITH magnets than with an equally-weighted disk WITHOUT magnets?
As far as I am aware, Sterling is the only person who has reported such, in an anecdotal report, and hasn't replicated or provided a video of the same.
I have recently taken delivery of a quality data-logging tachometer, a Shimpo DT-209x, and this thing is enabling me to produce some very pretty and informative graphs of RPM vs. time for my test rig. I'm still playing with the tach and its interface, and I'll be putting up some sample graphs in a day or so.
On the question of useful power: In a certain snakeoil video, I showed a generator/JouleThief powering a LED, running off the rotating disk. Ignoring for a moment the fact that my disk was, in that video, motor driven, this is the easy way to get useful power from such a device. The fact that the output power is small, isn't important--because the input power, in an OU motor, is ZERO. So sure, you can power your Dell laptop or any other electrical machine, as long as you are allowed to accumulate energy over time, and discharge it at higher power levels than those at which it was accumulated. It's the energy balance that counts, not the input/output (peak) power ratios. Here's where the SEC (and all other electrical "OU" devices) fail: the energy in is always greater than the (useful) energy out, when the power is properly integrated over the temporal waveform. This is the real reason that these devices cannot "close the loop".
Quote from: nyctuber on May 02, 2009, 12:21:08 PM
Stefann, feel free to delete the pointless bandwidth hogging argument which I should have avoided. Sorry about that.
Yea, you're sorry alright.. ::) Yea.. I just talked a bunch of crap and drove him away and ruining it for everyone else..hmm Sorry..
Quote from: PaulLowrance on May 02, 2009, 12:33:27 PM
I for one am still waiting for the first evidence to come. Youtube video is not evidence.
Good keep waiting and do nothing but talk.
Mylow doesn't owe nobody nothing...Get that through your thick lumps on top of your neck.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
On the question of useful power: In a certain snakeoil video, I showed a generator/JouleThief powering a LED, running off the rotating disk. Ignoring for a moment the fact that my disk was, in that video, motor driven, this is the easy way to get useful power from such a device. The fact that the output power is small, isn't important--because the input power, in an OU motor, is ZERO. So sure, you can power your Dell laptop or any other electrical machine, as long as you are allowed to accumulate energy over time, and discharge it at higher power levels than those at which it was accumulated. It's the energy balance that counts, not the input/output (peak) power ratios. Here's where the SEC (and all other electrical "OU" devices) fail: the energy in is always greater than the (useful) energy out, when the power is properly integrated over the temporal waveform. This is the real reason that these devices cannot "close the loop".
The only fail is you and your hoaxed alsetalokin device.
Quote from: Freezer on May 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
Yea, you're sorry alright.. ::) Yea.. I just talked a bunch of crap and drove him away and ruining it for everyone else..hmm Sorry..
What drove Mylow away was a repeated request on youtube to 'please let Sterling see your motor.' Account deleted after that, after complaints of personal attack. Just so you know the facts.
Quote from: Freezer on May 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PMMylow doesn't owe nobody nothing...
Agreed, but I'm not disputing that. Your statement goes without saying. Fact still remains, mylow has shown no evidence unless you consider youtube video as evidence. All of this attention mylow has received should not exist.
Quote from: Freezer on May 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PMGet that through your thick lumps on top of your neck.
Sorry, I refuse to return your Ad hominem.
PL
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
Here's where the SEC (and all other electrical "OU" devices) fail: the energy in is always greater than the (useful) energy out, when the power is properly integrated over the temporal waveform. This is the real reason that these devices cannot "close the loop".
funny, i've watched all your youtube videos, most of them several times. i missed the one(s) where you debunk stiffler's circuit. could you kindly point me to those?
i don't recall you posting anything of substance in stiffler's thread either. i could be wrong. it's a long thread with a lot of talking heads, i could have easily missed your posts. maybe you're one of those lurkers on the thread like myself that doesn't really want to play the with grumpy bear that stiffler sometimes is, i don't know. i am however quite interested in comparing your data on the SEC to what stiffler has shown, that is if you have any data...
Mylow
Would you please place the device on the floor and pan out with your camera to show at least 24" around the motor. Seems like a sensible and reasonable request.
QuoteMylow
Would you please place the device on the floor and pan out with your camera to show at least 24" around the motor. Seems like a sensible and reasonable request.
Better yet, do it outside on the pavement, clear of any other objects. He should walk around the device with his camera so show all sides. Mylow should also show the device's parts in the same video that he makes it run. It should be clear that the same parts he shows us make the device run, so the parts should be visible throughout the video.
Quote from: billmehess on May 02, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
Mylow
Would you please place the device on the floor and pan out with your camera to show at least 24" around the motor. Seems like a sensible and reasonable request.
Guess nobody has noticed that Mylow has closed in ProjectMagma YouTube account. Glad we have those backup videos.
Quote from: fleubis on May 02, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
Guess nobody has noticed that Mylow has closed in ProjectMagma YouTube account. Glad we have those backup videos.
Yeah, Last time it was the MIB.
This time it's because of rude people.
Have no fear though, he craves attention,
so he will be back with yet another account on
youtube. Just give it a few days.
Next time will probably be a completely different
design that of course runs the first try.
And everything will be great until someone wants
to verify it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
MyLOW aside, since the replicators seem to be reading this thread, I'd like to repeat an earlier question/challenge: Has anyone, with ANY magnet arrangement on a MyLOW/HJ disk, been able to show a longer rundown time WITH magnets than with an equally-weighted disk WITHOUT magnets?
A reasonable question deserves a reasonable answer.
Sorry, I don't have one. Providing a positive result would only add fuel to the fire here.
Besides, {your?} weight, string and pulley idea works better and takes less time.
As for re-magnetizers... The ones for screwdrivers certainly won't change the polarity of a ceramic mag. From what I understand the magnets need to be heated around 1800F before changing the field polarity, if you wish it to be permanent. You can 'recharge' them by applying another magnet. If you want to do a good job you need to whack the drained magnet while it is stuck to the good one.
I wouldn't whack a ceramic very hard.
@ Sterling:
I totally disagree with your assessment of the Mylow situation. Nothing anyone has posted on this forum compares with you showing up unannounced at Mylow's place. If you are keeping score, that is a big one. While I appreciate that you spent the time and the money to do so, since the visit backfired, and you are blaming us here on OU for Mylow's retreat, let's add a little blame to yourself here. I have to say, from your bad journalism practices from the beginning, your misrepresentaion of facts where there were no facts, and now your throwing blame around to everyone but you, it is time for you to accept some for yourself.
Many folks here think a magnet motor is possible, another fact you got wrong. Some still think Mylow's motor really works, most of us do not believe all of the fantastic stories reported my Mylow, and yourself, that have surrounded this entire adventure. I don't need to repeat them here, we are all too familiar with them. That is what is the most frustrating to a lot of us. And now, according to you, it is us over on Overunity.com that have prevented this historic device from being presented to the world? I find your attitude more than laughable. I find it equally laughable that you now "threaten" us with your cancelling your account over here.
Well, I for one, say don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
Bill
It's funny how grown men (and maybe women) + internet = kindergarten fights.
It was obvious the skeptics should have been dealt with from the start to avoid this kind of circus. I stated this many times before but in FE there's no room for skepticism there's no such thing as healthy dose of skepticism and there's no belittling other people's ideas.
Help, share, contribute. That is what FE is about. If you can't accept that this community does not welcome you. I'm pretty sure physicsforums.com will gladly accept you. If people here would go with this ideology we would make a lot more progress with a lot less bullshit.
You may call me a radical but that is what it takes to be a true FE researcher. Nothing is impossible and when you can always try to help someone improve his ideas even further. And learn learn learn.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 02, 2009, 05:00:35 PM
@ Sterling:
I totally disagree with your assessment of the Mylow situation. Nothing anyone has posted on this forum compares with you showing up unannounced at Mylow's place. If you are keeping score, that is a big one. While I appreciate that you spent the time and the money to do so, since the visit backfired, and you are blaming us here on OU for Mylow's retreat, let's add a little blame to yourself here. I have to say, from your bad journalism practices from the beginning, your misrepresentaion of facts where there were no facts, and now your throwing blame around to everyone but you, it is time for you to accept some for yourself.
Many folks here think a magnet motor is possible, another fact you got wrong. Some still think Mylow's motor really works, most of us do not believe all of the fantastic stories reported my Mylow, and yourself, that have surrounded this entire adventure. I don't need to repeat them here, we are all too familiar with them. That is what is the most frustrating to a lot of us. And now, according to you, it is us over on Overunity.com that have prevented this historic device from being presented to the world? I find your attitude more than laughable. I find it equally laughable that you now "threaten" us with your cancelling your account over here.
Well, I for one, say don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
Bill
He has a working motor, 99% of the people all over the world cheer and praise him day and night on Youtube, never lets anyone see it in person, days drag into weeks, his supporters grow tired of the greatest gift to humanity since a nice pair of tits never seeing any third party validation, and Mylow says he's done because he was 'personally attacked.'
Mel Brooks couldn't write a funnier script.
Latest News:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/02/9501535_Overunity.com_naysayers_dis_Mylow/
So let's get this straight: Ominous Government agents visit Mylow and warn him not to build his device, but he forges ahead. Some people on this forum (which he does not even have to visit if doesn't want to) say some nasty things and he abandons his project.
Quote from: petrov2500 on May 02, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
Latest News:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/02/9501535_Overunity.com_naysayers_dis_Mylow/
So let's get this straight: Ominous Government agents visit Mylow and warn him not to build his device, but he forges ahead. Some people on this forum (which he does not even have to visit if doesn't want to) say some nasty things and he abandons his project.
You left out the part where Sterling meets him in Chicago and Mylow says 'they' took his motor again, only to have it reappear the minute Sterling leaves.
@ Sterling and all defenders of Mylow,
Mylow has presented us with a design for a magnet motor that, according to him, works.
The design is based on an old idea that has never been shown to work and has been unsuccessfully replicated in a myriad of variations for a long time. On top of that various hoaxes have been perpetrated with this type of motor, xpensif and alsetalocin just to mention a couple. Magnet motor claims demonstrably have not a proud history. There are any number of non-working patents that have been issued over the years. Mylow would have to have been aware of this, and also would have to have been aware that it would take more than a video on you-tube to satisfy skeptics.
If that was not enough we get all these obviously idiotic stories of MIB's etc. and him getting miffed every time someone doubts that what is presented is real.
It is about time for Sterling and Mylow to realise that much of the disbelief in the device has been caused by Mylow's behaviour.
There are a number of honest people here in this forum that have spent a lot of money and time to validate Mylow's findings. I contend that Mylow and Sterling do owe these people something.
Get off your high horses and put something up that is more than the bullshit you have been feeding us.
Hans von Lieven
I only have one question about all of this. Why would a NSA agent go to his lawyer first and then to his house? If I was a MIB agent I think the less amount of people that knew that I was going to visit the better. Maybe the MIB wanted to make sure that none of mylow's rights were broken. :-\
Hi Sterling, why dont you just ask Mylow to let the Radioman from Chicago come to his flat and verify personally his findings ?
Then we would not have such debates over here.
Its finally time for Mylow to come forward.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. am 2 days away with only limited PDA access and have not read yet all messages.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 02, 2009, 01:18:04 PM
funny, i've watched all your youtube videos, most of them several times. i missed the one(s) where you debunk stiffler's circuit. could you kindly point me to those?
i don't recall you posting anything of substance in stiffler's thread either. i could be wrong. it's a long thread with a lot of talking heads, i could have easily missed your posts. maybe you're one of those lurkers on the thread like myself that doesn't really want to play the with grumpy bear that stiffler sometimes is, i don't know. i am however quite interested in comparing your data on the SEC to what stiffler has shown, that is if you have any data...
Stiffler is taking his class through some basic RF circuits that can be found in 1940's ARRL handbooks, among other places. But you don't have to believe me. There's a very simple way to PROVE ME WRONG. Just close the loop. Let one of Stiffler's devices power itself--or power another one, and let that one power the first...or charge up some caps and let them power something...but be sure to show your measurements, and use a good fast oscilloscope.
When you or anyone on Stiffler's thread shows a self-powered device, or one that genuinely produces more ENERGY than it consumes, I will be the first one to apologise publicly, right after I sell my oil stocks.
Like I said, PROVE ME WRONG. Otherwise, you are just blowing hot air.
Dear Stephan and others
I recieved the following in an email recently from Sterling . I feel it is self explanatory.
Shame on you. You're as bad as the hoodlums over at OverUnity.com who have likewise jumped to shaky conclusions without evidence about fraud. That is an actionable offense and could result in litigations, just as fraud can be litigated.
Mylow is inclined to pursue. Back off.
kind regards
mark
I would be happy to meet MyLOW in a court of law, because in order to prove libel, he would have to prove that his magnet motor is real. That would be worth a lot, even losing a lawsuit.
Now, let's get back to talking about that physical threat of violence in Sterling's website. Or did you miss that? I just checked, and it's still there.
EDIT:
""I'll tell you this, some of those really obnoxious skeptics who act more like paid provocateurs, should be glad they're not walking around in person with those of us who are trying to help bring this technology forward. They might have a black eye or two."
--Sterling
Good, let him sue us!
Then he has to prove in court that he is not a fraud, disclose his motor and subject it to scrutiny. I wish him luck.
Hans von Lieven
EDIT: LOL TK. I love simulcasts ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 10:00:47 PM
I would be happy to meet MyLOW in a court of law, because in order to prove libel, he would have to prove that his magnet motor is real. That would be worth a lot, even losing a lawsuit.
Had been thinking the exact same thing.
Quote from: Freezer on May 02, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
The only fail is you and your hoaxed alsetalokin device.
You seem really confused. Mylow is the one who claims to have a self-starting, running, free energy magnet motor, not "al". Please point out just where "alselatokin" ever claimed to have anything like that. IIRC, he always denied that his device was overunity in any way. And he refused interviews, he refused money, he refused to let Sterling talk about him, he cooperated fully with replicators, he did suggested experiments and posted the results, he worked with replicators for over a year, he even sent parts out (but never received any magnets or parts from anyone).
Also, he never was visited by the MiB or the NSA.
What have you built lately? Can you actually answer any questions about Mylow's device? What would happen if he moved it three feet to the left? Do you know exactly how much eddy current drag is produced by a stator magnet in Mylow's configuration? Have you talked to Mylow's congressman?
Would you like to punch me out, too?
Or do you just like to flame?
http://pesn.com/2009/05/02/9501535_Overunity.com_naysayers_dis_Mylow/
OverUnity.com Naysayers Spoil the Mylow Magnet Motor Show
And so far, that's ALL it has been ;D
An idea...
..why don't someone delete any comments that make personal attacks.
..do not allow multiple replies form the same person saying the same thing in another way.
Some of these guys just can't stop talking! Are these people being paid to write these comments? ???
Quote from: smithandwes on May 02, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
An idea...
..why don't someone delete any comments that make personal attacks.
..do not allow multiple replies form the same person saying the same thing in another way.
Some of these guys just can't stop talking! Are these people being paid to write these comments? ???
Someone HAS deleted over 50 posts
Quote from: markdansie on May 02, 2009, 09:48:41 PM
Dear Stephan and others
I recieved the following in an email recently from Sterling . I feel it is self explanatory.
Shame on you. You're as bad as the hoodlums over at OverUnity.com who have likewise jumped to shaky conclusions without evidence about fraud. That is an actionable offense and could result in litigations, just as fraud can be litigated.
Mylow is inclined to pursue. Back off.
kind regards
mark
Should we just stipulate, before the litigation, that Mylow has, shall we say, misrepresented the truth many times in his posted videos? Even if the story of the NSA, the secret meetings, the taken and returned devices, etc. is actually true, it is also true that Mylow has said several times that he was not going to post any more videos, but he did...he sent the motor to Germany, but he didn't...and so forth.
Like I said, I would welcome litigation from Mylow. My lawyers would eat his lawyers for lunch, just based on the YT videos, not even considering whether his device is real or not.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
Should we just stipulate, before the litigation, that Mylow has, shall we say, misrepresented the truth many times in his posted videos? Even if the story of the NSA, the secret meetings, the taken and returned devices, etc. is actually true, it is also true that Mylow has said several times that he was not going to post any more videos, but he did...he sent the motor to Germany, but he didn't...and so forth.
Like I said, I would welcome litigation from Mylow. My lawyers would eat his lawyers for lunch, just based on the YT videos, not even considering whether his device is real or not.
Well, I was away for exactly a day and a half with no internet access and what did I find when I returned? Of course, MyLow pulled his videos (again). And, I'm being branded a 'thug'!
As much as I really wanted MyLow to succeed, I'm going to believe it when there is a major newspaper or news announcement. Good luck MyLow. I really mean it.
You may be a sensitive person MyLow but you surely are old and matured enough to know that if you claim something as real, you either prove it or you simply don't show it. Find yourself an audience that will not doubt you and then you'll be happy.
cheers
chrisC
From Sterling's site:
You're "Lucky"
Mylow said his brother called him the other day after seeing my story (http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/) at PESN about Mylow's having possibly met with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden while he was in Chicago on Monday. "What are you doing standing by Mr. Biden? How did you pull that off?" He said. He thought for sure that the photo was of Mylow standing next to Biden. The resemblance was so close that his twin brother had a hard time believing it wasn't Mylow, even though Mylow was adamant that I had posted the photo as an "uncanny resemblance" with symbolic overtones, not as actually being Mylow. Something occurred to me last night as I was thinking about all this. I can't remember off the top of my head whether it was the NSA agent who came by a couple of days ago to apologize (http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/), or whether it was one of the agents who was interrogating Mylow (http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/) when he went to have his meeting behind a one-way glass wall with the "very important person from Washington" last Monday, the day VP Joe Biden was in town, and they then just let him go, despite his non-cooperative attitude; but they told him, "You are lucky." Actually, they probably meant it as code for Mylow's bird, Lucky, the one shown in the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOotvXabjE) with the cat batting it, wanting so badly to do more than just play with it, then finally jumping off the ledge when the curtain is pulled back and the audience is revealed, bringing to light its nefarious intentions. Mylow IS Lucky.
He conjectured that the cessation of the bullying could have something to do with the "important person (http://pesn.com/2009/04/28/9501532_Mylow_Defies_BlackOps_Posts_Videos/)" he met with Monday instructing the MIBs to back off.
Brook's bedroom has nothing on this. I think this is really an ad for the new season series of The Young and The Restless!
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 02, 2009, 11:55:40 PM
replication...
Key word: Replication.
Rule #1, We need replications BEFORE getting so serious about a claim.
Thanks,
Joe
Sed libera nos a mylow ;D
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 03, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
Sed libera nos a mylow ;D
Hans von Lieven
Deliver us from evil indeed.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2009, 01:18:15 AM
Deliver us from evil indeed.
Bill
Well, evil is actually malo but it's close, very close ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdwL7bBmGE
http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1
He's BAaaaaaaaaack ;D
Took less time than I thought it would
Quote from: Digjam on May 03, 2009, 02:14:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdwL7bBmGE
http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1
He's BAaaaaaaaaack ;D
Took less time than I thought it would
Hey, give the man credit when credit it due! This video is more and more believable. Right? Well done MyLow!
Now, will you please allow some people to witness it independently. Please?
Thanks
cheers
chrisC
He had 4 or 5 comments on the video
All basically said"well done". He's already deleted
the comments.
Quote from: Digjam on May 03, 2009, 02:57:01 AM
He had 4 or 5 comments on the video
All basically said"well done". He's already deleted
the comments.
Yes I saw that too. He's probably still pissed off and I wish he would be a little 'thicker' skin. Take some heat but show them what you really had. Apparently, he chose the other option and that's his prerogative, I guess.
Well, MyLow, wish you more success. You should not brand me a 'thug'. I'm not jealous of your achievement, like you know who!
Take care.
cheers
chrisC
Well done Mylow!
I hope you do some more but understand that you probably wont.
I hope that some serious effort will be made as you suggest but unlikely from this fine gathering here where everything is impossible.
okey he has first witnesses in this new video
i believe its real thing
Wow! I just watched the video. I told Mylow that if he had posted this type of video in the first place, there would have been a lot less problems. I still think he needs to have some others see it in person but after watching this, I have to say I believe he has done it. I will say it again, I think he really has done it.
Bill
To be fair that is one step closer.to a decent video.
However until its has been independently validated doubt will always remain.
Hopefully this will be done in the near future.
Then there will possibly be the degaussing issue to test.
Mark
I'll say it again Mylow, thank you for posting yet another video.
As for the skeptics, there will always be people that doubt, even after your glass table top demonstration. I fell it coming already, what if he had wires going up through the frame work of the table to the bearing shaft. What this, what that, it will come.
Only thing I have to say to you about that mylow is, don't sweat it bro.
I'm sure some of these skeptics are God Loving Christians, who swear by the bible, go to church on Sundays. But never met the man himself...But yet will take another mans word that God created the world in 6 days and rested on the seventh. But, for whatever reason they believe PPM is impossible, without having it validated???
Go figure
Keep up the good work Mylow
The Nephew
I'll just add my response that this is getting more and more impressive.
Thanks Mylow for posting that.
What puzzles me is that Mylow states that after finding patience for 30 years working on this, he actually doesn't understand the magnetic forces driving his "thing", while he does seem to be the only person to get any kind of layout to work at the "first try" almost.
Might Mylow be sitting on some huge magnetic earth line (lack the Eglish word)? Nah, if that had been a factor he'd gotten these machine to work in the first 29 years.
I want to believe, but all the drama and half-compliance...I am protecting myself by remaining a sceptic. All have been betrayed at some point in our lives, and it's not fun to be the object of a fraud's laughter.
Even before I went on reading about this sort of OU contraptions, I did think of similar setups, fully expecting them to work. Surprised to now learn that it was never 100% done.
Mylow's video is about as good as video's come I suppose. Next step in global acceptance (and extra congrats to Mylow and Howard Johnson's family, will be a sceptic taking the thing apart, assembling himself, and of course a 1:1 replication. The machine is simple. If there's more to it that what we see, then Mylow is a whole lot smarter than he's letting us see, and replications won't work without his special "ingredient". Some sort of treatment to the metals.
I'll echo one thing posted before : the stator seems to have little friction with the table/cupboard surfaces yet remains in place while it's accelerating the rotor. I don't understand that. Or would it have JUST enough friction to not push itself out of alignment?
I believe this video as much as a video is to be believed.
Mylow seems to get any setup working, he can make another. Give this machine to someone that can be trusted. At this point, Sterling would not be it I'm afraid.
I'd like to see how much work such a rotor could do while remaining a contant rpm. The bearing friction is really, really low. There is some air being displaced. But how much can this machine be loaded before it shuts off? Supposing this indeed is real, I'd expect it to have an optimum rpm resulting in the highest load to be drained from it.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 03, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
Sed libera nos a mylow ;D
Hans von Lieven
abre los ojos, cierra la boca...
or get that pop keenie wheel working. ::)
Very Impressive video!!!!! Way to go Mylow!!!!!
Please keep the videos coming. We want to learn from your 30 years of experience.
It is good to see these impressive videos; they are much more convincing than Alsetalokin's.
No way to know if they are any more real, but it looks like mylow is not going away and will keep them coming; and at least mylow does not accompany them with a smirking patter: he actually seems to believe in what he is saying.
okay...next question for all you engineers and physicists...
I believe this is working and am trying to replicate...
now, if it's running at mylow's rpm (hypothetically for all those skeptics), what kind of electricity could be pulled out of it, at this size....in a 24 hour period? let's make some assumptions about the weight etc...
any takers?
If you have not seen the last Mylow video (now magneticmotor1) you must watch it.
Backup copy at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU
LightRider
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 03, 2009, 09:09:39 AM
okay...next question for all you engineers and physicists...
I believe this is working and am trying to replicate...
now, if it's running at mylow's rpm (hypothetically for all those skeptics), what kind of electricity could be pulled out of it, at this size....in a 24 hour period? let's make some assumptions about the weight etc...
any takers?
First, I want to congratulate Mylow on his great demo. It looks believable...glass table and all.
Getting the rotor to spin and maintain speed without additional power input is amazing (theoretically impossible), but it appears he has found the magic magnetic arrangement.
Now, if a load (coil, pulley, gears, etc) is imposed on his spinning rotor I doubt there's enough torque to perform work and continue spinning.
For example, a small coil with a laminated core could be placed above the rotor, on the opposite side of the stator. As each magnet passes by, a current will be induced into the coil. If the coil is connected to a load, such as a led or ampmeter, the magnetic 'balance' will be affected & I think his motor will slow down and eventually stop.
I'm sure the replicators out there will let us know soon. I hope this device can be modified to produce usable power. But, I'm the 'hopeful skeptic' anyway.
@pinestone...
but surely if I sat on my stationary bike and pumped for 24hrs straight, it would be enough to light a lightbulb for a few hours, wouldn't it?
i mean, i know we'll need to scale this thing up to be as large as my bathroom, but you're saying it will be impossible to take electricity or work out of it at all?
that doesn't make sense...
This new glass tabletop video is a great demo. If we had Mylow's talent for placing those magnets then we'd have lots of replications going, but I think he has a talent and a lot of patience others do not have and this is why others fail and he succeeds.
Good Stuff Mylow! ;)
.99
As promised by Sterling, true to his words, Mylow's motor has been independent witnessed and validated by some third party well qualified scientists and they are:
1- Mylow's bird
2- Mylow's cat and most important of all
3- Mylow's wife
After all, Mylow has always been telling the truth now that he shows his face and brings witnesses on board. If you don't believe him and start bying those magnets and replicating the impossible, then you should order the plans and buy Al's book to come soon, this will finally shows the secret of HJ motors and gives you the key to a succesfull replication. Remember to give the code word "Peswiki" for a 5% discount on your orders, As*ho*es.
Miki out.
(Should have posted this last night but fell asleep, was way too tired from reading the thread pages.) (Did not see his latest videos yet.)
@sterling
I had already started from page one since 1 1/2 days now I am at page 135. I am cleaning up the thread completely, not just from now on. Anything that is not Mylow wheel relevant will be removed. All members will see their post numbers reduced accordingly. I am sure most here will trust my judgment and most all will be affected since removing one members post will also remove its rebuttals. I can tell you that my stomach was not feeling well at times.
@ll
I also want this technology to survive into the next generation and if this thread stays the way it is, it will not interest anyone but those seeking S&M pleasures.
Mylow just wanted to show us something new. Paul Lowrence saw it before I did then veered off totally. I was neutral until I saw it once he quickly showed the base in parts. That's allI needed to see. Hans did some great work. All the preliminary identifications where done without haste. Some great efforts my many members to quickly hone in on the DEVICE. Some of the theories of operation presented are just top notch and all in all, up to page 42 at least, just great info. I saw Paul Lowrence shine for a few posts. I had a stomach ache reading this, I even removed some of mine and I will continue through each page. You'll just have to trust me that I will keep this thread to its greatest relevance and spare the future readers the hardships of CRASS lectures. (Sterling we both found the perfect word.)
Then we started judging every word, every move. It started with the 3000 posts Mylow was getting. But this was only a figure of speech. Like when you gets millions of calls is to say way too many for you to handle. But guys discected this number and started yelping on Mylows credibility. From there everything went downwards.
I can tell you that practically no one was spared. Everyone lost some posts. They are now in the oblivion of time and infinity. It was grusesome hard reading and deciding plus all the browsing around is rather hard.
I have to say that Mylow is a real sharp shooter. He got the right member usernames in his last message.
@nyctuber and @WilbyInebriated your last spat was totally disgusting (now removed) and I can only tell you that you will be banned form this topic. @nyctuber you cannot be trusted, sorry.
@Hans some of yours hurt the most because you should know better. @TK bad use fo your talents. Too bad.
All the others mentioend by Mylow are on a short leash with tolerance Zero. I am not going to ban you because we know you have it in you to be better. @PaulLowrence any more mention of anythign else besides the topic and you will be banned.
@Mylow
I want to apologize for any hurt this experience may have caused to you and your family. I have two boys, a wife that I love and who supports my efforts in OU and I work my ass off 9-5 5d/wk. I can only imagine the hurt. I mean my stomach was hurting while I read the pages so I can only imagine you being the target of so much, so much, uhhh, so much crap. I knew right when you took the base apart. That's all I needed to see. Then the more I saw, the more I understood. Some people catch on quickly but we failed to tame the herd.
I personally have re-read every post since No.1 and am very very sorry that you had to go through all that. I started moderation only a month ago and needed some time to understand the extent. So how can I make it up to you? Besides, you have to come back otherwise some of our wives will whip us for not finishing our wheels. lol
Really really I am sorry and I know there are alot of members here who share the same sentiments.
@stefan
You know what to do, please do it.
From now on, all other members will have their posts removed if their posts are deemed non-civil. Just work your posts. THINK before you press on that post button because with freedom of expression comes major responsibilities.
And as usual.
Back to work.
wattsup
Why couldn't mylow just take the machine apart toward the end? Very simple task. Still no sincerity.
PL
Quote from: wattsup on May 03, 2009, 10:53:00 AM@PaulLowrence any more mention of anythign else besides the topic and you will be banned.
Then you tell your pals to stop the ad hominem and then there's no need to reply.
ps, I don't think stefan will be very happy with you. Delete this when you read it, and please don't talk about me.
Well, impressive indeed. A lot can happen between one "last" video and the next one, I see.
I don't agree that it was better than "al's" video, but perhaps I'm a little biased.
The usual objections have been stated so I won't repeat them. Some of my list of possible fakery methods will have to be crossed off, but not all of them.
I here and now repeat the One Thousand Dollar challenge: Have 2 scientists or engineers from U of C examine the device and state on camera that it is as Mylow represents, and I will immediately send that kilobuck to Mylow, or wherever he directs, like his favorite charity or pet food store.
Meanwhile, I am continuing to gather very real and reproducible data on the behavior of magnet arrangements in a Mylow-type device. I've tried many, with both rundowns from a known RPM and the weighted-string method, and I have not seen any indications of any arrangement that produces the least amount of NET thrust so that the wheel runs longer or farther (or faster when driven by constant power) with magnets than without.
Does Anybody have any arrangement of magnets that does so? (Except for Mylow, that is?)
I'll agree with wattsup--this is an enormous waste of talent. But I'm always willing to be proven wrong.
Quote from: wattsup on May 03, 2009, 10:53:00 AM
@nyctuber and @WilbyInebriated your last spat was totally disgusting (now removed) and I can only tell you that you will be banned form this topic. @nyctuber you cannot be trusted, sorry.
i agree, i should have not said anything. i lost all patience after 270 pages of nyctuber's flip flopping sides every ten posts. he's shown himself to be a liar with zero integrity and that is an anathema to me. but that's no excuse, my bad. i offer this as a mea culpa.
Of course the video is impressive, the most important component is his willingness to show himself. Mylow, you have crossed over the bridge by wanting to show you!
Now the next step would be to allow the device to be view by any number of people to validate its operation.
You have gone this far don't stop now. In the final analysis its still just a you tube video. Please take the next step!
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 03, 2009, 11:34:49 AM
Well, impressive indeed. A lot can happen between one "last" video and the next one, I see.
I don't agree that it was better than "al's" video, but perhaps I'm a little biased.
The usual objections have been stated so I won't repeat them. Some of my list of possible fakery methods will have to be crossed off, but not all of them.
I here and now repeat the One Thousand Dollar challenge: Have 2 scientists or engineers from U of C examine the device and state on camera that it is as Mylow represents, and I will immediately send that kilobuck to Mylow, or wherever he directs, like his favorite charity or pet food store.
Meanwhile, I am continuing to gather very real and reproducible data on the behavior of magnet arrangements in a Mylow-type device. I've tried many, with both rundowns from a known RPM and the weighted-string method, and I have not seen any indications of any arrangement that produces the least amount of NET thrust so that the wheel runs longer or farther (or faster when driven by constant power) with magnets than without.
Does Anybody have any arrangement of magnets that does so? (Except for Mylow, that is?)
I'll agree with wattsup--this is an enormous waste of talent. But I'm always willing to be proven wrong.
@TK
I really hope, with your knowledge and equipment at your disposal you will be one of the first to replicate MyLow's discovery and confirm it as genuine. The last video is not only believable, it also showed how frustrated he was towards the end and I don't think that was play acting either. He's obviously ticked off and quite rightly so.
There comes a time when we (as humans) realize we have perhaps wronged someone and should be man enough to apologize. I sincerely hope MyLow will continue to post other discoveries.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 03, 2009, 09:53:22 AM
@pinestone...
but surely if I sat on my stationary bike and pumped for 24hrs straight, it would be enough to light a lightbulb for a few hours, wouldn't it?
i mean, i know we'll need to scale this thing up to be as large as my bathroom, but you're saying it will be impossible to take electricity or work out of it at all?
that doesn't make sense...
Putting a load on the generator circuit is the equivalent of applying friction...
Most of the generated current is dissipated as heat.
In your example, the light bulb is the load. If you removed the light from your bicycle generator, it would be much easier to pedal.
The greater the load (low impedance), the more work you will have to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_load
I'm not saying Mylow's invention couldn't generate electricity or do real work, but in it's current form-factor, I doubt it would.
It might make a good fan... ;)
I'll be more than happy to apologize, if and when I see some real data that even hints at a possible gain. Don't forget, Mylow now has 8 different configurations, with many different kinds of magnets, that he claims have "run". I know that between you, me, CLaNZeR, and others, we've tried hundreds if not thousands of configurations, and I know we have more systematic approaches and better data gathering techniques. Why have we never seen a real gain?
It would seem to me that, as one varied magnet configs, one should encounter some little gain, that would add a tiny thrust, perhaps not enough for a self starter but at least it should show up as an increased rundown time or a faster equilibrium speed when externally driven. And then one could vary the position of one or more magnets and the effect might get slightly better or worse. Then one could zero in on an optimum configuration. So there should be some sign of progressive improvement, until finally a self-starter is achieved--if only it were possible.
The problem is that everybody who has actually used real objective data gathering means and repeatable starting conditions (rather than relying on "mMr. Hand" and subjective impressions) has not been able to get any configuration to produce that first bit of positive gain, in any configuration. And Mylow shows no sign of anything but subjective impressions, then shows up with 8, count'em, 8 different configs that work.
@PL
"Why couldn't Mylow just take the machine apart toward the end? Very simple task. Still no sincerity."
Again free talk as usual. I have not seen the last videos yet so I am just talking about your last post which explains the problem very well. You state that he could have taken the machine apart. That is fine and obvious. By then you add the last sentence. Why????? What makes you an authority on if Mylow is sincere or not. This is the free shots I am talking about that will stop. You have no right to poke and take light stabs, no one does.
Now based on your last post, have it your way then. We'll add your name to the list.
As for @stefan, he already offered to do this but did not know I had already started the process a few days ago. lol
@all
I have been thinking and thinking and testing with my wheel to see why Mylow can do this and why we are having a harder time and I think I have finally figured it out but activating it on my Pizza wheel will be difficult because of all these neos but I gather not impossible, but I will have much better chances when I get my real aluminum wheels on Monday.
But to the builders, think about this.
We all know that when we put too many rotor segments around the wheel, we lose the individual segment motion and produce what I call the magnetic crowning effect where the magnetism is like totally the same around the whole wheel. And therein hides the answer.
I think that Mylow manages to do is put his rotors in such a manner that he is just a tad away from creating the crowning effect, which is bad for forward propulsion movement. So his rotors are set-up just off the crown effect. It is the stator that is making the final addition that sends the rotors in and out of the crown effect. When the rotors are out of the effect, their polarity exerts directionality, when the rotors fall into the crown effect because the stator now moves to a connecting position, the rotors crown instead of producing a sticky on the stator. When they crown, their effect is neutral permitting the rotor to pass the stator as if they were not even there.
I think this is where we have to concentrate our skills to perfect or permit the stator to make the crown connection because this is exactly like a magnetic on/off switch. Crown on, let stator pass sticky, crown off, push wheel further.
Much more fun to come.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 03, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
I'll be more than happy to apologize, if and when I see some real data that even hints at a possible gain. Don't forget, Mylow now has 8 different configurations, with many different kinds of magnets, that he claims have "run". I know that between you, me, CLaNZeR, and others, we've tried hundreds if not thousands of configurations, and I know we have more systematic approaches and better data gathering techniques. Why have we never seen a real gain?
It would seem to me that, as one varied magnet configs, one should encounter some little gain, that would add a tiny thrust, perhaps not enough for a self starter but at least it should show up as an increased rundown time or a faster equilibrium speed when externally driven. And then one could vary the position of one or more magnets and the effect might get slightly better or worse. Then one could zero in on an optimum configuration. So there should be some sign of progressive improvement, until finally a self-starter is achieved--if only it were possible.
The problem is that everybody who has actually used real objective data gathering means and repeatable starting conditions (rather than relying on "mMr. Hand" and subjective impressions) has not been able to get any configuration to produce that first bit of positive gain, in any configuration. And Mylow shows no sign of anything but subjective impressions, then shows up with 8, count'em, 8 different configs that work.
Thank you for your reply. Yes, you're right that so far no one has been able to even get it to loop once! For the $120 I spent on parts and the little time I put together a simple configuration it was frustrating to say the least but I did not put a lot of time. Maybe MyLow is one of these (savant?) that have special magnetic properties they can 'impart' onto things they touch? I had remembered seeing on TV an old man in Malaysia who can stick metallic objects to his body (up to 20 pounds or something) and that ability was passed down to his grandchildren but not to his children.
Hope others have better luck and ability.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: pinestone on May 03, 2009, 11:55:18 AM
Putting a load on the generator circuit is the equivalent of applying friction...
Most of the generated current is dissipated as heat.
In your example, the light bulb is the load. If you removed the light from your bicycle generator, it would be much easier to pedal.
The greater the load (low impedance), the more work you will have to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_load
I'm not saying Mylow's invention couldn't generate electricity or do real work, but in it's current form-factor, I doubt it would.
It might make a good fan... ;)
MyLOW's device, as shown, violates the principle of Conservation of Momentum. There apparently isn't a "back-reaction" from the rotor to the stator assembly. It takes a bit of torque to accelerate that heavy disk as quickly as it is shown in the latest "last" video. This torque does not seem to affect the stator assembly by pushing against it.
So, one could use the MyLOW wheel, for example, to as a fuelless way to control spacecraft attitude. Let the wheel spin up--reactionlessly--and then brake it mechanically. The wheel's momentum, that we got for nothing, will then be transferred thru the mechanical brake to the surrounding structure. Voila! You now have a reactionless system to rotate your spacecraft. Now configure the Mylow wheel to eject some reaction mass, say water, that you dribble onto it from the center axis. The fleeing water will produce a linear thrust, again for free, except for the water.
The possibilities are endless. Too bad.
Quote from: wattsup on May 03, 2009, 12:12:03 PMWhat makes you an authority on if Mylow is sincere or not. This is the free shots I am talking about that will stop. You have no right to poke and take light stabs, no one does.
Logic does. A video is not evidence. Mylow has only shown videos. It is logical that a person who sincerely want's to provide proof would have offered some form of proof.
PL
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 03, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
i agree, i should have not said anything. i lost all patience after 270 pages of nyctuber's flip flopping sides every ten posts. he's shown himself to be a liar with zero integrity and that is an anathema to me. but that's no excuse. my bad, and i offer this as a mea culpa.
Unneccessary. I am allowed to change my mind, and you attacked me first. I have plenty of integrity, and am certainly not a liar. You spent 10 pages attacking me over semantics. 'End.'
Quote from: PaulLowrance on May 03, 2009, 12:35:12 PM
Logic does. A video is not evidence. Mylow has only shown videos. It is logical that a person who sincerely want's to provide proof would have offered some form of proof.
PL
PL:
Please STFU. Nobody here is interested in your post and logical points of view. I think Wattsup really needs to hasten the process.
cheers
chrisC
Mylow has done the difficult part, getting a wheel to spin (without slowing) is a major step forward. I believe the gaps are an important element. Fill the gaps and it will not run. (Just an opinion) He (or we) can add a number of stators to the same wheel to increase torque. Good job Mylow!
Quote from: wattsup on May 03, 2009, 12:12:03 PM@PL
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Now based on your last post, have it your way then. We'll add your name to the list.
I just saw this. ***Please*** by all means brother, ban me, but also ask stefan to ban me from this entire forum. In this forum I've publicly *begged* stefan to ban me from this entire forum and delete my account. Maybe you can succeed in getting stefan to ban me from this forum because it will save me a truckload of time. I'm here for one reason and one reason only, for the very few legit researchers. I'm not here for myself! It appears stefan wants to continue to attract amateurs who prefer unscientific methods who IMO have next to no chance of succeeding in inventing a "free energy" machine. Unfortunately this forum is dominated by faith believers.
PL
To wattsup
Please be very careful regarding this new level of censorship. In the US we have a term called ex post facto. This refers to setting up a new law after the fact. I would ask you to reconsider banning individuals who only wish to offer a counter path to what is now appearing to be the offical scantioned line.
If you wish to ban people please consider letting us all know what the new rules are and then if those rules are broken then I guess banning may become an option.
As for PL of course he has a right to post his opinion (as do we all) I saw nothing in his last post that should get him banned.
Mylow appears to becoming more open, if he had done this from the start there would have been much less fiction. Again he seems to be making small steps to validate his claims, these steps are positive but again verifaction other than videos posted on youtube are imperative.
Censorship of individuals should be considered very very carefully. What are the new rules wattsup, and let us go from there.
It should be noted that there is now a report of a "partial success" with a replication; coming from a member of the community (apparently their device makes about three shakey revolutions then stops). It is not for me to name the person, or tell where it is posted, but those who know the "neighborhood" should be able to find it soon enough ;)
________________________________
Regarding if this technology could be used to generate electricity or not:
There is an unconfirmed story out there that the General Electric Corporation paid Mr. Johnson several millions for rights to at least some of his designs in the early '80's, then in secret built a giant motor-generator based on the "all-magnet motor" principal (supposedly in the "Megawatt" range).
It would be very interesting to find out if that "urban legend" is true or not, though ;)
A key player in this story who knew Mr. Johnson has been very reluctant to talk about G.E.'s specific role; but did confirm that they indeed did have one of some kind (... This person may still be under obligation by some sort of Agreement or implied government threat, who knows).
"G.E. : We Bring Good Things to Light."
Lol i would add to that:
".... But we may have many more good things hiding on our shelves that we don't want you to know about!" ;)
"Darkness" is the absence of light, and not a state in itself. It is unstable, and prone to sudden changes. Might it not be safer, and more comforting and less stress-inducing, to end the darkness of energy technology suppression? There certainly is no better time than now. Coming out into the light means no one will care about the years of darkness anymore, the implied immorality of it all, the judgments against decisions of those who are not elected to any office, but who would deny us all the benefits, and allow the planet to be destroyed beyond repair....
Because when there is finally Light, then only the wonders of the new technologies would matter.
It all comes down to a question of "timing", imo: Wait too long, and exposure reveals the coating of dust still on the shelved devices, and a major corporation with consumer sales and public offerings of stock could take the heat and suffer from negative public relations (in today's online world, even owning national television networks cannot guarantee continued silence). Do it BEFORE the suppressions are widely exposed, and you are touted as "Green Heroes", "saviors of the ecology", "friends of the middle class and poor" (lol perhaps that last one is "a bridge too far" ;) ) .
I wouldn't want to be a CEO and have to worry about this stuff... It is in some ways like living on a razor's edge. And the solution could be very simple, and can be done without fuss, loss of face, or even embarrassing questions about the past: All it will take is a little boldness, and some quick cash to a University of your choice for some back-side cover ;) So little, such a minor thing.. Yet it could mean the difference between being hounded by mobs of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches, cursing your name and very existence... Or being feted as heroes.
Sounds like a "no-brainer" to me ;)
To jibbguy
Come on , who is it and where is it posted. Why is there always this mystery???
I have a suggestion, how about someone pay for Mylow to get a youtube upgrade so he can post longer videos? I have a feeling if he is going to record the building process they would run a bit long. Either that or find somewhere that doesn't limit to 10 minutes.
Also, he should also try putting the iron filing box up by the rotors (and stator?) to show how the fields are interacting. If they were strong enough that the disc lifted up with the stator assembly then maybe they'd show up clearly in the field reader. I'd like to see what a compass in the center did as well.
Also, isn't Eltimple's replication at least showing a prolonged spindown at this stage? (I don't know if he's done a run-down test.) I linked to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0), but no one seemed that thrilled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0)
Quote from: KindaGamey on May 03, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
I have a suggestion, how about someone pay for Mylow to get a youtube upgrade so he can post longer videos? I have a feeling if he is going to record the building process they would run a bit long. Either that or find somewhere that doesn't limit to 10 minutes.
Google video's can be up to at least nearly 2 hours. For example, the following Tesla video is nearly 2 hours -->
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&ei=p9X9Sb3rM56gqQPD6qWeDQ&q=energy&dur=3 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&ei=p9X9Sb3rM56gqQPD6qWeDQ&q=energy&dur=3)
Bill, because in this case the person obviously knows of this forum and thread, and if they don't want to post here, then i would say that's their business, and it's not my business to name them; only to report the simple existence of the claim, which is obviously "newsworthy". It's on "the other O-S forum".
And "no" i don't have any dogs or favorites in this race, and am only looking for a good story to write to best promote the O-S and F-E cause... However all this turns out ;)
If by infinitesimal chance someone replicates mylow's machine or mylow shows signs of sincerity, then could someone please email me -->
http://globalfreeenergy.info/contact-me/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/contact-me/)
Sterling, sorry, but IMO you're completely irrational. Stefan, you're one sharp cookie, but consider trying to attract scientific researchers rather than faith believers and kids, if your goal is global free energy. :) No more time to read posts, starting ... now.
Eltimpo is NOT a replication of Mylow. WAY too may variations. Maybe that's the reason for no excitment.
Maybe I missed it but is there a video of eltimpo?
Quote from: billmehess on May 03, 2009, 02:33:56 PM
Maybe I missed it but is there a video of eltimpo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZkpmSAUS0)
I think one could say it is definitely losing speed, but it could be a prolonged spindown; if only I knew how long it spins down on its own. Interesting that it is not aluminum.
New Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VTcrz8J0o&feature=channel_page
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 03, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
New Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VTcrz8J0o&feature=channel_page
Sorry to see your last video MyLow. If you change your mind, I'm sure we'll all be looking forward to more revelations.
The symbol of a carpenter is like a symbol of Jesus and the symbol of Jesus is surely one of forgiveness, as in the scripture where Jesus said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do....".
I hope you will forgive those that perhaps said one word too many but you know in their hearts, they really wanted you to succeed. Take care.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 03, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
New Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VTcrz8J0o&feature=channel_page
Talk about being self-dramatizing. I'm surprised he didn't have a statue of Christ on the cross.
Quote from: canam101 on May 03, 2009, 03:22:53 PM
Talk about being self-dramatizing. I'm surprised he didn't have a statue of Christ on the cross.
Yep dramatic, but the guys head is all over the place by the sounds of it.
Reckon he needs to take a rest away from it for a while and get things straight in his mind on what he wants to do.
The previous video had been removed just now from public eye, but notice it is back. Which is good because even if we do not hear from Mylow again, that video will give some other FE people hope in the future or atleast make them curious to have a go.
There is different avenues Mylow could of taken with this and if I was in his position, I would of made multiple working models and got them out there for everyone to see.
But everyone to their own I suppose.
Mylow states that he is alone, where as in a matter of fact he is not and if he approached any number of people in this world that could of offered genuine support and direction, things could of turned out different, if he had only accepted the offers.
We have seen Mylow hit bottom before and let's hope he pulls out of this LOW again and finds the energy to pick himself back up.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 03, 2009, 03:34:53 PM
Yep dramatic, but the guys head is all over the place by the sounds of it.
Reckon he needs to take a rest away from it for a while and get things straight in his mind on what he wants to do.
The previous video had been removed just now from public eye, but notice it is back. Which is good because even if we do not hear from Mylow again, that video will give some other FE people hope in the future or atleast make them curious to have a go.
There is different avenues Mylow could of taken with this and if I was in his position, I would of made multiple working models and got them out there for everyone to see.
But everyone to their own I suppose.
Mylow states that he is alone, where as in a matter of fact he is not and if he approached any number of people in this world that could of offered genuine support and direction, things could of turned out different, if he had only accepted the offers.
We have seen Mylow hit bottom before and let's hope he pulls out of this LOW again and finds the energy to pick himself back up.
He's certainly not alone. He's one of the least alone people on the planet. 1000 people would show up at his door tomorrow if he'd allow it.
@ Sterling:
Wow, Mylow said " I do NOT (emphasis added by me) want anyone coming to my house to look at this." I believe this validates my former post where I stated that you also need to take some responsibility here. You were blaming "All of the people on Overunity.com" (Not an accurate statment to be sure) for Mylow's reaction yet, no one from Overunity.com (to my knowledge, please correct me if I am wrong) EVER visited Mylow unannounced did they? No, only you did that. So, I say again as politely as I can, there is enough blame to go around and be shared and this includes you.
Bill
Mylow, Pay no attention to 2-digit IQ's. They should not be allowed here.
What nonsense, I am sure Mylow will be ascending into heaven soon. All he has to do is show this device openly and then everyone will believe and honor him. Instead he is taking this melodramatic exit. How can anyone of you believe this???
Wattsup this is my opinion and I am entitled to it. Believe me when I tell you there area lot of people who agree with me but are now hesitant to post for fear of
being "banished" from the site. What's next a book burning?
I am not being cruel in any way just please let some since of logic return to this saga.
If Mylow would prove by a demo to any number of people I will be the first to laud his acomplishments.
Why does he continue to portray yourself as a victum???
Sorry fellows, but this new video shows nothing we have not seen before. What we are seeing here is a configuration of magnets that has been tried by scores of people unsuccessfully, only Mylow gets it to work. At the very least there is something here he is not showing, in fact he almost says so. Whether that something is the holy grail or a hidden motor remains to be seen.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
On the question of useful power: In a certain snakeoil video, I showed a generator/JouleThief powering a LED, running off the rotating disk. Ignoring for a moment the fact that my disk was, in that video, motor driven, this is the easy way to get useful power from such a device. The fact that the output power is small, isn't important--because the input power, in an OU motor, is ZERO. So sure, you can power your Dell laptop or any other electrical machine, as long as you are allowed to accumulate energy over time, and discharge it at higher power levels than those at which it was accumulated. It's the energy balance that counts, not the input/output (peak) power ratios. Here's where the SEC (and all other electrical "OU" devices) fail: the energy in is always greater than the (useful) energy out, when the power is properly integrated over the temporal waveform. This is the real reason that these devices cannot "close the loop".
Hey TK here's a plan, why don't you send your generator/JouleThief thingie to Sterling so that he could send it to Mylow to try out on his motor?
I think that would be a pretty cool experiment. :)
Justalabrat
Oh, the drama!
The genius will follow his predecessors and inspirations, and take his skills to the grave (a very long time from now, we all hope).
When he goes, he will be welcomed by Galileo and Leonardo.
I just watched the Tesla documentary on GoogleVideo, and the things in there seemed a bit larger than turning rotors with magnets.
Getting a magnetic motor to run by itself is ultimately neat, but let's put it back into perspective. It's nothing more than "Is there a bunny under my hat, or isn't it". It's only there if you belief it is. Religion should be kept out of science, it has done little good in that field.
@Mylow, I know you're reading this, if you admit it or not.
Don't make this into a psychosocial issue. Once you allow it to be a mess like that, it will be concentrated in your mind. You will be the victim, and it's not going to be pretty. Go get a grip, be a man, and face the world. If you end up having been misinterpreting your findings, that's cool, big names went before you there as well.
If you end up being right, more people will be happy than unhappy. The unhappy ones are the ones you "know", with a @ somewhere halfway their name.
Your duty as a man, a man of the world, is to deal with the sceptics that were put in place by mankind itself, to get the more proactive specimen working more efficiently. Don't allow that system to backfire. Realize even more, that you are the one holding the light switch. Your decision to shed light or darkness, at least on the little matter of a trick to overcome the deadspot in interacting magnets.
The world is not black and white. Even the sceptics are on your side, in the end, although the idea is for that to not show through too clearly.
I want to believe, as your findings seem to be confirming what my brain was working on as a kid. But you had the hand that were doing the work, getting this "done".
Getting the rotor to self-start and keep spinning obviously was the easy part for you. Dealing with the consequences, this great burden of accomplishing a goal that has accumulated in importance for you over the past 30 years, and getting it past the huge threshold, or end-boss, of useful application and global acceptance.
We all have our talents, not all of us even know our own. One of yours seems to be very clear, but in other fields you are having a hard time just like your fellow inventors. Hardly is born with both the genius to invent great things, and the talent to get it to the people. I believe this is why many great things are unavailable other than at the patent office's library, or worse : passed away geniuses' mind.
Take a few moments Mylow. Be a man. Make a plan. This part is not something you can figure out with magical "tweaking". This part needs to be pre-mapped, from all possible angles. Way harder work that the inventing. In my own little way, I have experienced this. Getting a patent granted (I have one) is a an easy stroll through the park compared to getting a product of concept to the people.
It's a process of preparation, forethought, and lots of time.
BUT YOU CAN DO IT. Perhaps just not alone.
Greatness is for a large part : accepting your lesser qualities, and addressing them with outside assistance. Lesser inventors with otherwise fine understanding of your work will be able to help it being replicated.
I think you owe it to Howard Johnson to follow through. You used his teachings, and now it's time to follow through.
Assistance is there, but you need to be meticulous at selecting it.
Good luck with your task ahead. Genius is not going to guide you here though. Insight and common sense will be the most needed talents.
But you CAN do that.
J
Quote from: zydubion on May 03, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
Mylow, Pay no attention to 2-digit IQ's. They should not be allowed here.
In censorship the first victim is always truth.
Mylow wants to be a martyr. Nothing can stop it from happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIg5u3sB6Xg
still giving it a go with what i have at hand..
Quote from: Craigy on May 03, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIg5u3sB6Xg
still giving it a go with what i have at hand..
perfect symmetry, exact spacing = evil? (2:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmFI4MOA7f8#t=2m40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r_VdZfkFZw&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on May 03, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r_VdZfkFZw&feature=channel_page
Standby... I just found a new video....please wait .....
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 03, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
Perfect Mylow!
Now just keep doing the same type of video until you get one with it running!! GREAT Job! Yes, same type of video showing exactly what you did at the start (inside the shaft), but next have it run for a few minutes. (I'm sure you are working on it now!)
That will be the ultimate as far as video proof goes... I can't wait! My heart was pounding watching this last video... I'm sure you will get one running.
Thanks,
Joe
you mean like this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY)
He's taking a week off to visit Howard Johnson's grave...........
Quote from: KindaGamey on May 03, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
you mean like this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY)
Wow!! Great Job Mylow! Great Video!
I can't think of anything else you could possibly do on video to prove this more. So, of course it's up to replications now!
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 03, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
Wow!! Great Job Mylow! Great Video!
I can't think of anything else you could possibly do on video to prove this more. So, of course it's up to replications now!
Thanks,
Joe
As believable as it's ever going to get. Now, everyone who has time and resources should try to replicate it. Good job MyLow! Thank you for the post.
cheers
chrisC
Speaking of which...
Who is replicating?
Aluminum disc, rotor, bearing and stator arm
Non magnetic fuselage and screws
2 x 18 Low strength bar magnets N pointing to centre with 2 x 1 gap
2 x Horse shoe magnets with polarity through the length (One works too)
Seems simple enough...
AZ
Well done Mylow.
That latest video of yours goes a long way towards establishing credibility. Bear in mind however that complete recognition will only occur when your motor has been properly evaluated by the scientific community and has been independently duplicated.
However one thing causes concern and that is that in spite of your revelations no-one has found the same phenomena you have.
I would therefore suggest that before you allow your motor to be scrutinised you take the motor to one or more locations as far as possible away from your home and see if it works there. This is to exclude the possibility that you are living on top of some sort of magnetic anomality, either natural or man made, that gives you these results.
Good luck with your venture
Hans von Lieven
This is the video I wish he had posted in the first place. Making videos is harder than it looks. I have made about 40 or so and hopefully each one I get a little better, but it is not easy.
He has done everything I can think of that could be done in a single video to show this motor to everyone. I just hope one day he allows a 3rd party to examine the unit and then, he will get the credit he deserves as will Howard Johnson.
Great video Mylow!
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on May 03, 2009, 10:44:12 PM
As believable as it's ever going to get. Now, everyone who has time and resources should try to replicate it. Good job MyLow! Thank you for the post.
cheers
chrisC
The weight of the spinning rotor assembly must be a very critical variable to it running (maybe) ???. Do we know the weight?
Thanks,
Joe
Excellent videos Mylow, your almost there. If you want to pay tribute to HJ then
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE 3rd party verification. We all want to believe!!!
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 03, 2009, 10:49:53 PM
The weight of the spinning rotor assembly must be a very critical variable to the operation. Do we know the weight?
Thanks,
Joe
Sorry Joe. I myself don't have any data. I've a aluminium fly wheel disc about 11" in diameter and I can't get it to work. If I have time this coming weekend, I will certainly try different approaches and report my findings.
cheers
chrisC
@Mylow
Don't worry about anything. Just go and have a good time. You did your bit, it is now up to the world to replicate this and make you proud.
Thanks again and best regards.
wattsup
this is a big step forward in Mylow shooting a credable video. Third party validation is still needed .
I might be able to shed some light on why this didnt run for Mylow. His cat appeared towards the end of the video and possibly ate one of the hampsters that were driving it.
Seriously , I am a little more convinced but then ask appart from the value to show it can be done what practicle use could this device be put to given the magnets proberbly do degauss. I am not trying to through a pan of cold water over this...just thinking ahead.
Mark
I believe Queue mentioned that Mylow's platter thickness is slightly less than 1/4", or maybe slightly more. Could be a factor in asymmetry.
2 x 18 Low strength bar magnets N pointing to centre with 2 x 1 gap
AZ
AquariuZ,
I believe Sterling reported that the bar magnets are NOT magnetized along their lengths with poles at the ends, but instead through their thickness leaving poles on opposite broad surfaces.
Onward
Cisco
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 03, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Well done Mylow.
That latest video of yours goes a long way towards establishing credibility. Bear in mind however that complete recognition will only occur when your motor has been properly evaluated by the scientific community and has been independently duplicated.
However one thing causes concern and that is that in spite of your revelations no-one has found the same phenomena you have.
I would therefore suggest that before you allow your motor to be scrutinised you take the motor to one or more locations as far as possible away from your home and see if it works there. This is to exclude the possibility that you are living on top of some sort of magnetic anomality, either natural or man made, that gives you these results.
Good luck with your venture
Hans von Lieven
Agreed.
If you take this somewhere else besides your house, you'll
have peace of mind whether it works or not.
If it doesn't work. Then.......... It's back to the drawing board.
Brad
Quote from: bhaas on May 04, 2009, 01:18:19 AM
Agreed.
If you take this somewhere else besides your house, you'll
have peace of mind whether it works or not.
If it doesn't work. Then.......... It's back to the drawing board.
Brad
While more and more people are admitting that this motor works, the question is why. A couple of my engineer friends suggest that Mylow may live in a spot of gravitational anomaly. So the question of whether Mylow's motor will work some place else is a good one.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 03, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Well done Mylow.
That latest video of yours goes a long way towards establishing credibility. Bear in mind however that complete recognition will only occur when your motor has been properly evaluated by the scientific community and has been independently duplicated.
However one thing causes concern and that is that in spite of your revelations no-one has found the same phenomena you have.
I would therefore suggest that before you allow your motor to be scrutinised you take the motor to one or more locations as far as possible away from your home and see if it works there. This is to exclude the possibility that you are living on top of some sort of magnetic anomality, either natural or man made, that gives you these results.
Good luck with your venture
Hans von Lieven
Mylow says he's taking a week off to leave a photo of the motor at HJ's grave. Perhaps Sterling can convince him to take it along for testing.....
hmm i was thinking
maybe vertical disc setup easier is to make
take look Howard's motor
like a gravity wheel?
What amazes me the most is the seemingly lack of reaction force on the stator magnets. I wonder what the result would be if the stator magnets were allowed to rotate as well.
This will be my last post for a while. I do congradulate Mylow on his latest video's as they go a long way to answering the questions many of us had. I will be 100% convinced when there is third party validation and I am sure this community and industry can take this project forward once this is achieved.
However it must be said that given the track record of other devices (non which have proved to work) it was not out of order for the skeptics such as myself to ask those questions. The result was a greater understanding.
I will be back in a week or so and will be interested in what does develop.
Mark
Quote from: broli on May 04, 2009, 05:40:49 AM
What amazes me the most is the seemingly lack of reaction force on the stator magnets. I wonder what the result would be if the stator magnets were allowed to rotate as well.
In the first video he made a few days ago, using his current youtube name, the stator was a bit loose, and every time a set of magnets on the rotor passed under it, the stator dipped a bit and made a clicking sound as the start of the set moved under it.
Yes, that was before he added the toothpicks to stiffen it up a bit. He said some were complaining about the clicking noise and, the light being reflected off of the stator adjustment mechanism when it moved.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 04, 2009, 07:29:11 AM
Yes, that was before he added the toothpicks to stiffen it up a bit. He said some were complaining about the clicking noise and, the light being reflected off of the stator adjustment mechanism when it moved.
Bill
This rocking up and down from the rotors passing under the stators isn't the same thing as the reaction against the stator assembly that would have to come from the tangential thrust against the wheel, if the magnets were in fact propelling the wheel, and if the device didn't violate Newton.
The wheel + magnets weighs at least 4 kilograms. It takes a bit of thrust to spin that much mass up as quickly as it is shown. If the stators were pushing it, it should push back. SO, one of two things must be true: Either the stators aren't pushing it, OR it violates CofM, not to mention 2LoT. So the device, IF IT WORKS, is truly the most important scientific discovery of the last 200 years.
This only makes Mylow's story that much more implausible.
Mass in motion tends to want to stay in motion. Mass at a stop wants to stay "stopped". (All relative to the position in space of the person observing).
From my own observations, the stator is BOTH pushing and pulling at the same time. One side of the stator once placed in the sweet spot wants to push the rotor and the other side of the stator wants to pull the rotor. (in the sweet spot, it just happens that both are for the same direction)
Once past the sweet spot, the push-pull action contiues, but flip-flops back and forth anologously with a sine-wave force. Mylow showed that force with the magnet-paper which showed the wave forms as the rotor magnets passed by.
When holding the stator magnet, I felt the same wave patterns.
What I think is happening here is that Mylow has found a way to "tune" the stator's wave to the wave form of the rotor magnets in such a way to enable what I will call "re-enforced wave mechanical mobility".
Remember the movie "The Core". A single explosion to restart the core was what the plan was. But they found the viscosity too low(or too high) and their single explosion wasn't enough. But perfectly timed small explosions would re-enforce each other to propel the wave at the correct speed/strength. I believe this is what is happening here with Mylow's motor.
And I don't think the layout of any two stator/rotor setups will ever be the same because magnets are not equal in strength. Each magnet will very slightly in strength. Tuning will be necessary.
I believe Nicola Tesla's Earth Quake machine worked on the same principle. First find the resonant frequency then increase the amplification.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 04, 2009, 09:20:20 AM
This rocking up and down from the rotors passing under the stators isn't the same thing as the reaction against the stator assembly that would have to come from the tangential thrust against the wheel, if the magnets were in fact propelling the wheel, and if the device didn't violate Newton.
The wheel + magnets weighs at least 4 kilograms. It takes a bit of thrust to spin that much mass up as quickly as it is shown. If the stators were pushing it, it should push back. SO, one of two things must be true: Either the stators aren't pushing it, OR it violates CofM, not to mention 2LoT. So the device, IF IT WORKS, is truly the most important scientific discovery of the last 200 years.
This only makes Mylow's story that much more implausible.
On the contrary, as far as violation of CoE is concerned, it has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that at certain conditions CoE can be violated. Discontinuous production of excess energy can be demonstrated readily. The problem at this point is to find an engineering solution for this excess energy to be produced continuously. Whether or not Mylow or any other claimant has achieved that goal remains to be seen. What Mylow has to ensure is to have third parties independently reproduce what he's demonstrating. Until then it's just a youtube curiosity which may be ignored without hesitation. That's the way science works.
Hi Guys,
Once again .. here we are with another spinning thingy.
I cannot wait for the addition of the flashing and blinking sparkly thingies to be added and
the whole lot to be thrown into a rubbish bin (videoed of course) and placed online to mock us all.
Even though I am late to the table this time, I am most seriously looking forward to saying I told you
so.
Don't replicate this unless there are fully documented designs and specs. I have a very strong
feeling this guy is pulling your chains.
Cheers,
Dean
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on May 04, 2009, 10:36:33 AM
Don't replicate this unless there are fully documented designs and specs. I have a very strong
feeling this guy is pulling your chains.
If I wanted to be a paranoid knee-jerk cynic, I would say that mylow's recent video where he could not get it started, was done in the hope that it would get replicators to keep trying (if even mylow has problems we shouldn't be discouraged when we do) so that he can extend his fiendish hoax and get people to waste time and money.
Or maybe not.
Crop circles and Mylow motor?? This is getting better and better.
LOL who does the damage to the whole system???
http://pesn.com/2009/05/03/Mylow-magnet-motor_crop-circle/
As for Mylow. If he can not find out how it works, instead of trying to prove it is real (no motor ect) it will never go anywhere.
Jealousy and low IQ= Traits of the skeptics.
You guys might remember when I had my little free energy demo video up on youtube. There were even some people replicating the effect with some success. I took it down when the negative attacks came in so often I had too much work just dealing with the trolls and felt it was just not worth the grief to leave the videos up any longer.
Skeptics are useful in a way but when they make it personal they hurt everyone not just the person they are trolling.
Quote from: vortexentity on May 04, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
You guys might remember when I had my little free energy demo video up on youtube. There were even some people replicating the effect with some success. I took it down when the negative attacks came in so often I had too much work just dealing with the trolls and felt it was just not worth the grief to leave the videos up any longer.
Skeptics are useful in a way but when they make it personal they hurt everyone not just the person they are trolling.
@ vortexentity
Thanks for posting. Would you mind reposting that video again for the benefit of those like myself who has not seen it before?
Now that MyLow's discovery is believable, I think your previous video will make it easier for others too. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: vortexentity on May 04, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
I took it down when the negative attacks came in so often I had too much work just dealing with the trolls and felt it was just not worth the grief to leave the videos up any longer.
I have seen statements like this before from people who have constructed a possibly-OU device, and I can't understand why they say it.
If I had a device that seemed to be OU, I would broadcast it as far and as wide as places like Youtube would let me.
I would read comments and emails until the noise outweighed the constructive comments and then ignore them and concentrate on improving the device if I could.
The last thing I would do is make my device disappear.
It's a bit like the guy who invented the wheel deciding to forget about the idea because of foolish criticism from other cavemen.
@queue/TK etc...
well, i must admit, i stole this from yahoogroups...
a rotating aluminium cake stand with ball bearings for $60
www.atecousa.net
there's a caterer supply store in my neighbourhood (try before I buy)....
I wonder what the wind-down on this is...
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 04, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
@queue/TK etc...
well, i must admit, i stole this from yahoogroups...
a rotating aluminium cake stand with ball bearings for $60
www.atecousa.net
there's a caterer supply store in my neighbourhood (try before I buy)....
I wonder what the wind-down on this is...
@ dixiepnum
Thanks for the info. I didn't see a description for included bearings as well? Can you provide the correct link please. I only found this as the closest:
https://www.atecousa.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=612&Category_Code=dstands&Product_Count=1
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on May 04, 2009, 09:57:32 PM
@ dixiepnum
Thanks for the info. I didn't see a description for included bearings as well? Can you provide the correct link please. I only found this as the closest:
https://www.atecousa.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=612&Category_Code=dstands&Product_Count=1
cheers
chrisC
While this is an ingenious idea, I don't think the large cast iron base will work very well in this application.
I keep reading that the magnets degauss, has mylow verified this? Any answers as to how long it takes them to degauss and why they are degaussing? If he's using weak magnets, they would normally degauss over time anyway. He should see if rare earth magnets will degauss the same, I would think they don't (unless the device really does pull energy from them).
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 04, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
@queue/TK etc...
well, i must admit, i stole this from yahoogroups...
a rotating aluminium cake stand with ball bearings for $60
www.atecousa.net
there's a caterer supply store in my neighbourhood (try before I buy)....
I wonder what the wind-down on this is...
@ dixiepnum
Wind-down time with cakes or magnets? 8)
I wondered about that earlier today too with that cake rotor. It can't be good IMO if made for a cake. I am probably wrong.
O.k. @ TK. No need to look for wires. The wire can be #30 awg and you can't see it on youtube's resolution (at least in that copy of Mike's video I did). And there is no place for the wires to run too anyway?
Thanks,
Joe
Heavy duty, with stainless steel ball bearings for free rotation. 12" Dia.x 4" Aluminum. Korea
item 613...just hit shop and type in 'cake stand', you'll get a list....pick the 79$ one
slightly cheaper on amazon....just google ateco cake stand or ateco rotating cake stand...
thank god for those pesky koreans!
Found these statements on Aluminum. Eddy currents must be helping the rotation.
Aluminum isn't normally magnetic, but as you carry a large aluminum tray toward the magnet, you find that the magnet repels the aluminum. Explain.
Once again, Lenz's law. The magnet induces a magnetic field in the moving aluminum tray to oppose its own, effectively pushing it away.
Most atoms, such as those in aluminum, have half their electrons spinning in one direction and half in the opposite direction. That means the magnetic fields of the individual electrons cancel each other out
Quote from: IotaYodi on May 04, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Found these statements on Aluminum. Eddy currents must be helping the rotation.
Aluminum isn't normally magnetic, but as you carry a large aluminum tray toward the magnet, you find that the magnet repels the aluminum. Explain.
Once again, Lenz's law. The magnet induces a magnetic field in the moving aluminum tray to oppose its own, effectively pushing it away.
Most atoms, such as those in aluminum, have half their electrons spinning in one direction and half in the opposite direction. That means the magnetic fields of the individual electrons cancel each other out
Is it going to be possible for me to cut this piece of aluminum, or should I just go get a pre-cut rotor. The G5 side panel is 1/8" thick.
Thanks,
Joe
And if you embed a magnet in aluminum or attach it to the surface of aluminum with enough thickness to mean something... That aluminum does nothing in reaction to the attached magnet. They aren't moving in relation to one another - or are they? Certainly not when the disk is not turning ;)
When that Al and associated magnet pass under a foreign magnetic field it reacts as always. Good Ol' Lenz again. Do it right - will the reaction field be strong enough to offset effects of one pole on a rotor magnet?
If Al is only good for Eddy currents then why do magnet manufacturers sell magnets encased in Al with only on face exposed? Rare, yes but they are out there. They are used in machining centers, among other things.
couldn't we buy a bucket-load of these (http://www.arborsci.com/detail.aspx?ID=644), have them sent to mylow, and he could film a run with them placed all around the unit, and on cat, bird, etc.? It might help replicators as well as maybe further convince the skeptics that the magnets aren't made out of chocolate? even just queue's one compass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53meik-OB0) i thought made for some pretty interesting results.
(edit: humph. i've hyperlinked things above but, at least in firefox, they seem to be invisible unless you mouse-hunt for them.)
Interesting thought.
Now that I think again, maybe not. Ever hear of wave particle duality?
The act of measuring something may change the thing being measured.
A compass is a prime example. It creates a line of force where there was none to begin with.
Kind of like Mylow not knowing the polarity or magnetization pattern of his magnets. May be a good thing he didn't know. If he had he would probably never make a spinning thingy.
Quote from: KindaGamey on May 05, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
couldn't we buy a bucket-load of these (http://www.arborsci.com/detail.aspx?ID=644), have them sent to mylow, and he could film a run with them placed all around the unit, and on cat, bird, etc.? It might help replicators as well as maybe further convince the skeptics that the magnets aren't made out of chocolate? even just queue's one compass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53meik-OB0) i thought made for some pretty interesting results.
(edit: humph. i've hyperlinked things above but, at least in firefox, they seem to be invisible unless you mouse-hunt for them.)
Never mind all that.
Since PMMTester is accompanying the principal to Johnson's grave, I expect PT to do some PMM testing.
Quote from: Charlie_V on May 04, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
I keep reading that the magnets degauss, has mylow verified this? Any answers as to how long it takes them to degauss and why they are degaussing? If he's using weak magnets, they would normally degauss over time anyway. He should see if rare earth magnets will degauss the same, I would think they don't (unless the device really does pull energy from them).
I am not sure but I think that was on his first model. I am just guessing, I have not seen any plans, but I believe that the magnets on the plate will loose the magnetic flux at a regular rate because they are all facing north to south or vice versa. The stator magnet might do the same since it is so far away. For rare earth magnets, or I only know the rate for neodymium is that it will loose one percent of it's energy per ten years. That is if the magnets are face to face(north to north) are at the same strength. If one is much stronger than the other the smaller will loose much faster.
QuoteThey aren't moving in relation to one another - or are they? Certainly not when the disk is not turning ;)
The aluminum platter is moving under the stator magnets. The bar holding the stators is also aluminum. I would think that with 2 stators there would be some type of repulsion against the aluminum platter and/or bar. Even with one stator I would imagine. With the repulsion of the rotor magnets against the stator,they may be inducing another repulsion against the aluminum platter. Magnetic film may be able to see it.
All the rotor magnet poles that are facing the aluminum plate, are delayed response while the top pole have the usual response.
One entire section of rotor magnets simply make a single larger magnet and displays the usual attraction to reach the magnets end.
It's the response time at the ends of these rotor sections that make the difference!
Observation only.
I am not sure if these Bar Magnets are Ferrites.
Looking around at various magnet suppliers traditionally ferrites are blocks and alnicos are bars.
Look at the picture below. Are we sure these are not just alnico bars painted black?
Is that just chipped paint?
My dogs water bowl is one foot square and sits on top of a steel plate put there by the previous owner of my home. We have a large iron content in our soil here in Birmingham, Alabama and I noticed that when the soil in the water settled in the bowl over night that it formed a magnetic field pattern on the bottom of the bowl. I wonder if Mylows magnet turns out to be a true self runner it is due to it's magnet components interacting with the earths magnetic field? I would like to see the motor turned at 45 and 90 degrees to the earths surface to see if it still self starts and self runs. If this interaction turns out to be the case does that mean that the motor's torque is relative to the strength of the earths local magnetic field? That would make it just a laboratory curiosity with no practical use. Could the earths field be increased or replaced by a man made field to get more torque? I think it is well worth the trouble to try and self start and self run the motor at 45 and 90 degrees to see if this is a possibility.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 05, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
I am not sure if these Bar Magnets are Ferrites.
Looking around at various magnet suppliers traditionally ferrites are blocks and alnicos are bars.
Look at the picture below. Are we sure these are not just alnico bars painted black?
Is that just chipped paint?
Ferrite is hard and brittle and chips real easy .. Alinco is much tougher and does not chip.
Mylows magnets all seem to have very nice clean edges
i agree they look a bit Alinco and less like ceramic(ferrite) ..
The white stuff could be cray glue or super glue from being glued before.
Hardest thing about trying to replicate Mylow's stuff is lack of accurate technical information - things like stator polarities and measurements magnet types etc etc.. .
Found this aspect quite frustrating myself.
Looks deceivingly simple.
Knot !
I believe he said the bar magnets came from Radio Shack. I am thinking the markings are from the glue he uses.
I am getting a Spyware alert everytime I look at this thread, Stefans adverts are doing weird stuff again grrrrrr
I have used exactly the same Crazy Glue as mylow and it does not leave that much white. But it will remove black paint.
But I agree could be some sort of glue, and he done a very neat job of getting it square on certain magnets.
@ Clanzer:
Xee2 recently posted this over on our Joule Thief topic:
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He is using IE and the screenshot he posted looks as though it got in using IE. This is why I use Firefox which Stefan said, this site is designed with Firefox in mind for optimal performance.
Bill
Yes it says www.super188.com/index.htm
Exploit iframe collection
Whats up with that?
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 05, 2009, 04:57:57 PM
I am getting a Spyware alert everytime I look at this thread, Stefans adverts are doing weird stuff again grrrrrr
I have used exactly the same Crazy Glue as mylow and it does not leave that much white. But it will remove black paint.
But I agree could be some sort of glue, and he done a very neat job of getting it square on certain magnets.
Same here too. The Spyware does not echo in IE. I had it from Chrome since this morning.
cheers
chrisC
I use firefox and get the same warnings, used AdBlock addon to block Super188.com and no more messages.
You all need to read my post again (the ones who think they know it all and it is a fake or Mylow is trying to commit a fraud).
@TK you still trying to sell that load of BS? Please move on. Mylow doesn't want your money, he has everything he needs now, and you don't obviously. nuff said.
As to the rest of the nay Sayers Move on, no one is interested. Even if you think you are trying to help us poor souls you need to understand you cannot make us do what you want, we have a free will. Too bad so sad for you.
@stefan,
i am getting super188 too, starting today, using IE7
how can we rectify this....it's a pita!
rsvp
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 12:34:39 PM
All the rotor magnet poles that are facing the aluminum plate, are delayed response while the top pole have the usual response.
How do you delay the responce to magnetic flux? Right now I look like a dog with his head cocked to one side. huh? :-\
If you take a large 3" diameter neo magnet and drop it flat onto a 1" thick aluminum plate, it will land softly. This is because the field increasing rapidly causes currents in the plate that create a field in the opposite direction. Now if you let the magnet sit on the plate and try to remove it rapidly, it will again resist the collapsing field in the same manner. This is actually a delay to the field passing through the plate in either direction. If the magnet just sets there the field will be just as strong as usual since the aluminum plate only affects a changing field.
I am convinced that it would not run without the aluminum plate.
@que n clanzer, these bars are n up s down or vise versa, poles are not on ends, I'm curious about the dc stator mag, that he is using, maybe time for another compass video via Mylow?
@TK, Have you any luck with dc motor mags ( bannana flavored) with correct pole position? Thanx, I would love a video!
@ PMMtester, early on in the saga, you made claim to the grade of AL of the disk that was quoted Sterlingas site. Can you now confirm the grade? Have you seen it? Thanx
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
If you take a large 3" diameter neo magnet and drop it flat onto a 1" thick aluminum plate, it will land softly. This is because the field increasing rapidly causes currents in the plate that create a field in the opposite direction. Now if you let the magnet sit on the plate and try to remove it rapidly, it will again resist the collapsing field in the same manner. This is actually a delay to the field passing through the plate in either direction. If the magnet just sets there the field will be just as strong as usual since the aluminum plate only affects a changing field.
I am convinced that it would not run without the aluminum plate.
This is crazy the delay that you are referring to is called eddy currents. The aluminum will not be affected be the rotor magnets because they are stationary on the plate, HOWEVER THE ALUMINUM WILL BE AFFECTED BY EDDY CURRENTS FROM THE STATOR MAGNET WHICH WILL SLOW AND STOP THE MOTOR.
Quote from: X00013 on May 05, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
@TK, Have you any luck with dc motor mags ( bannana flavored) with correct pole position? Thanx, I would love a video!
No offense, X, but since I'm being flamed on this thread and censored on others, I am no longer inclined to share my findings here in public. You can PM me at one place or another, and I'll gladly share with you, X, what I know about those magnets.
I also can tell you some things about aluminum alloys. Here's one for free: Mylow's disk is very unlikely to be al-clad, as Sterling said it was early on. For one thing, alclad is hard to find that thick; it is usually used as aircraft (or trailer) skin and rarely is found thicker than 0.125". Mylow's disk is far more likely to be 6061 alloy, as this is the common "aircraft structural" grade for ordinary structural components. There are other "aircraft grade" aluminum alloys as well but they are less common, more costly, and more difficult to work. How to tell if the provenance isn't known? An expert machinist can tell from how it machines, but the right way to do it is with a hardness tester. Cheap commercial grades of aluminum (pizza pans, etc.) are also very soft but have much lower tensile strength than does 6061-T6, which is nearly as strong as steel. Alclad can be instantly identified by its extremely soft surface layer of (nearly) pure aluminum--you can just about scratch it with a fingernail.
Or perhaps you can ask "starcruiser", I'm sure he can tell you just what you've got, and what to do with it.
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
If you take a large 3" diameter neo magnet and drop it flat onto a 1" thick aluminum plate, it will land softly. This is because the field increasing rapidly causes currents in the plate that create a field in the opposite direction. Now if you let the magnet sit on the plate and try to remove it rapidly, it will again resist the collapsing field in the same manner. This is actually a delay to the field passing through the plate in either direction. If the magnet just sets there the field will be just as strong as usual since the aluminum plate only affects a changing field.
I am convinced that it would not run without the aluminum plate.
Here is a video to show you what your so called delay will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnzhItJhZw
So you would think, but the stator field never reaches the aluminum plate because the field is repelled or attracted by the rotor magnets before it reaches the plate.
Except for the pole of the rotor magnets resting on the plate which passes through the plate. Funny how again this is the field that is delayed or affected by the plate. This is only affected during the rapid change caused by the short distance in the stator magnet poles.
The field is then reset through the aluminum plate by the rotor magnets when they are far from the stator or approaching or leaving.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 05, 2009, 07:14:10 PM
This is crazy the delay that you are referring to is called eddy currents. The aluminum will not be affected be the rotor magnets because they are stationary on the plate, HOWEVER THE ALUMINUM WILL BE AFFECTED BY EDDY CURRENTS FROM THE STATOR MAGNET WHICH WILL SLOW AND STOP THE MOTOR.
You can tell 'em and tell 'em, even take instrumental data on an exact replica of Mylow's rig and post the videos showing a 40 percent DECREASE in rundown times caused by the mere addition of a single Mylow stator magnet, you can put up pictures of graphs showing the drag from even a weak magnet 3 inches above the disk, and still, folks will try to tell you that eddys are driving the disk rather than retarding it.
I think even the ROTOR magnets might actually retard the motion of the disk through some weird homopolar eddy effect. But I only have a small amount of data on that so I'm not sure yet.
There is suppression all right. Suppression of the TRUTH.
QuoteHere is a video to show you what your so called delay will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnzhItJhZw
Sure, I've done several tests like this myself and can tell you that if you put a magnet under that aluminum plate, that pendulum will never see that aluminum plate. The stationary field holds the moving field from even reaching the aluminum.
So keep going!
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
So you would think, but the stator field never reaches the aluminum plate because the field is repelled or attracted by the rotor magnets before it reaches the plate.
(snip)
Not true, and I can prove it, instrumentally, with real data, as many times as you like. In fact I already have. But I'm sure you don't care or will resort to special pleading--my magnets aren't exactly like his, I live north of the border, today is Tuesday.
A stator magnet, positioned as nearly like Mylow's as I can judge it, with a bunch of unkeepered rotor magnets on the disk in whatever configuration you like, causes about 40 percent DECREASE in rundown time. The same stator magnet in the same position with the keepers on the rotor magnets, almost totally shielding their B fields, causes almost the identical 40 percent DECREASE in rundown times. The conclusion is hard to avoid: In every configuration I have tested, and I have tested many, the mere presence of the stator magnet adds significant DRAG, presumably from induced eddy currents in the aluminum disk turning beneath it.
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
So you would think, but the stator field never reaches the aluminum plate because the field is repelled or attracted by the rotor magnets before it reaches the plate.
Except for the pole of the rotor magnets resting on the plate which passes through the plate. Funny how again this is the field that is delayed or affected by the plate. This is only affected during the rapid change caused by the short distance in the stator magnet poles.
The field is then reset through the aluminum plate by the rotor magnets when they are far from the stator or approaching or leaving.
I am sorry but you are wrong again. I would like you to look at a picture of the plate. Do you see the two large spaces in between the groups of rotor magnets. that is where the brake will take affect. back in your court now
you tell em koala
@ TK, we are waiting for your vid of the bar magnet motor!
Hey, that's not fair ganging up...... Real data? My real data shows if you place a coil on the face of a large neo magnet and bring another magnet close, you see no output. Why is the field not there? Because it is held away by the current field. If you move the magnet close enough where the coil is now closer to the approaching magnet, then you will see a change on the scope.
I do realize that some stray fields will reach the aluminum plate in the mylow case, but the idea is to have the plate delay the fields in the direction that reinforces the rotation.
The gaps between the magnets should be where the under lying field is pushed to and is the only spot where any gain could take place. The rows of magnets only appear as a single long magnet pole and is naturally attracted to one end like a SMOT device.
I have been a mechanical design engineer for 20 years and a journeyman machinist for 15 years before that, I have my own (BIG) CNC machines for building this stuff and have tested several theories on claimed working devices.
The only reason the mylow motor could be working is this field delay. If it was only magnets on an acrylic disk, I could see no reason for operation. (if indeed there is operation)
I think the Mylow videos and his attitude shows it may actually be operating but it's not over until the ... ... sings.
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 08:05:15 PM
Hey, that's not fair ganging up...... Real data? My real data shows if you place a coil on the face of a large neo magnet and bring another magnet close, you see no output. Why is the field not there? Because it is held away by the current field. If you move the magnet close enough where the coil is now closer to the approaching magnet, then you will see a change on the scope.
I do realize that some stray fields will reach the aluminum plate in the mylow case, but the idea is to have the plate delay the fields in the direction that reinforces the rotation.
The gaps between the magnets should be where the under lying field is pushed to and is the only spot where any gain could take place. The rows of magnets only appear as a single long magnet pole and is naturally attracted to one end like a SMOT device.
The coil experiment you cite isn't equivalent to the eddy current situation. the rotor magnets might be able to push flux lines around but they cannot divert them, and the total flux is the same no matter how it's warped. The only configuration that would not produce eddys is if each flux line from a stator pole terminated on a rotor pole with no aluminum in between--and that would mean the magnets are strongly attracted together---very soon there will be no motion.
Your coil's output goes to zero when the flux lines "cut" by the coil are constant. (Air core, not saturable, right? If it's not air core, you might be saturating the core so internal flux can't change because of saturation. More details please.) It's a nice experiment, though, and it reminds me of when I took a strong magnet to the ferrite core of one of my Joule Thieves. You can vary the brightness of the output LED by varying the flux in the ferrite by applying the external field from the magnet. If you saturate the ferrite the light goes out. Conversely, if you oscillate the JT ferrite with an external AC magnetic field you can couple even more power into the JT.
Sorry,
the last 3 days I was away.
My aunt passed away and I was yeasterday at the funeral.
The Superxxxx.com Iframe exploit is fixed and I have changed
all passwords.
I have to catch up with reading all the postings,
but I guess the Moderator Wattsup has deleted
already the too critical and annoying postings.
I see, that Mylow has deleted his former account and
has also posted a video, where he does not get the
motor to work.
Well, would be great, if he would finally invite some
people with video cameras and show it to these persons,
so they can verify it.
Regards, Stefan.
The rotor magnets can setup their field through the aluminum plate at no cost because they are stationary and do not move in relation to the plate. Now, if you were to quickly push against the field coming through the plate, the force would be at first strong and quickly drop off as the underlying field is pushed away. This would again be built back up at no cost some distance from the stator.
Any energy gain from attracting lines of force will take the same energy to break those lines of force. Any energy used to bend lines of force will be the same energy gained when released.
This applies to every single force line one by one in either direction MINUS any loss to other factors. Given this fact, it can only be the aluminum plate holding a rotor field for some gain at some point.
It also would be why it can only achieve a limited RPM. If the field is stronger the delay would be shorter and the RPM higher. Or a thinner plate may cause higher RPM but reducing the field delay may bring back the natural PID effect of magnets and not work at all.
I also have two scopes and do my own circuit boards. Just built this cool 35 FM transmitterfor when I mow the lawn.( but don't tell anyone.)
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 09:39:50 PM
The rotor magnets can setup their field through the aluminum plate at no cost because they are stationary and do not move in relation to the plate.
Then Faraday was wrong when he rotated the magnet with the disc? He actually did not measure current when he rotated the magnet and disc together?
There are no Eddy currents generated because of the relationship between the rotor magnets and the disc?
Faraday was the first to offer a solution to his paradox but some say he couldn't prove it experimentally. His discarded solution was the flux cannot rotate about it's own axis.
Anyone with remaining Mylow motor attempts can prove or disprove this. Place a Hall -Effect probe under the disc while stationary and then moving. Leave the stator magnet out of the picture first. At that point you almost have a basic homopolar generator.
The idea of a delay is kewl but why would there be a delay. Wouldn't it be more redirection because you have a rotating disc in a stationary field?
Please, no one repeat the stanza about the rotor magnets are not moving in relation to the disc. That is obvious. What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet. Forget why Newton fails here.
Enough to be flamed, I'm sure ;D
Have at it folks!
@ Stefan:
I am very sorry to hear about you Aunt. You have my condolences.
Bill
Quote from: BEP on May 05, 2009, 09:57:39 PM
Then Faraday was wrong when he rotated the magnet with the disc? He actually did not measure current when he rotated the magnet and disc together?
There are no Eddy currents generated because of the relationship between the rotor magnets and the disc?
Faraday was the first to offer a solution to his paradox but some say he couldn't prove it experimentally. His discarded solution was the flux cannot rotate about it's own axis.
Anyone with remaining Mylow motor attempts can prove or disprove this. Place a Hall -Effect probe under the disc while stationary and then moving. Leave the stator magnet out of the picture first. At that point you almost have a basic homopolar generator.
The idea of a delay is kewl but why would there be a delay. Wouldn't it be more redirection because you have a rotating disc in a stationary field?
Please, no one repeat the stanza about the rotor magnets are not moving in relation to the disc. That is obvious. What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet. Forget why Newton fails here.
Enough to be flamed, I'm sure ;D
Have at it folks!
I've brought up this issue of a possible homopolar eddy effect from the rotor magnets myself, and I may even be detecting it. But there's a problem: In the frame of the disk, there should be no current--only in the off-disk reference frame can a homopolar current be detected or used. Tom Valone, in an elegant series of experiments with a voltmeter actually mounted to a homopolar generator, proved that simultaneous measurements taken in the lab frame (from traditional axle and edge contacts with an external circuit) and in the rotating disk frame, from the LED voltmeter on the disk, showed a voltage off the disk but not on it.
Weird, huh? Of course the magnet and the disk can be rotating together, but apparently for the voltage to be detected you have to be off the disk. What does this mean for possible homopolar eddys from magnets on the disk? Maybe for them to exist, other than "potentially", there needs to be an external stationary circuit portion. I'm still investigating. I should be able to detect drag from homopolar eddys if they are there, with my instrumentation.
Regardless, all eddys, without external varying fields or other moving mechanical parts, will always be loss mechanisms and cannot be driving Mylow's disk.
And when the Eddys are out of the way, from the disc's point of view, what is left?
Eddy currents aren't the only thing that happens when Al is moving in a stationary field. It is in Cu but not Al. Even though 'magnetic current' is a hot issue, Al conducts it when moving in relation to mag flux. It already has some ferromagnetic properties, as all metals do, but it 'conducts' that flux when moving in relation to a mag flux.
As weird as it may sound, I don't expect Newtonian between the stator and rotor. I only expect what has already been claimed. "The faster the rotor spins the more it pulls straight down on the stator. And - the closer the stator is to the rotor the faster the rotor spins.
I must say, it sure sounds like you have done your homework - refreshing.
@ Stefan,
Please accept my condolences about your aunt. Let us hope she has departed to a better place.
Peace brother,
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: BEP on May 05, 2009, 10:26:39 PM
"The faster the rotor spins the more it pulls straight down on the stator. And - the closer the stator is to the rotor the faster the rotor spins."
It would be GREAT to see some type of weight scale underneath the stator magnet side of that assembly, and watch the reading in operation!
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 05, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
It would be GREAT to see some type of weight scale underneath the stator magnet side of that assembly, and watch the reading in operation!
Joe
Actually, the way Mylow has designed his stator assembly, one could insert a strain gauge fairly easily which could calculate the weight as the stator passes over the magnets. It's an interesting idea.
QuoteWhat most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet.
The flux is directly connected to the magnet. You can try a simple experiment! Simply build a tiny homopolar motor using a small battery and wire and a large flat magnet. Place some tape on the wire at the top to create a fan in the air, put the whole unit on a block of styrofoam and float it in a bucket.
You will see the magnet trying to rotate opposite the wire rotation. Building a homopolar generator is simply the reverse process and suffers Lenzes Law and if the field was stationary the magnet would not turn.
I think delay may not describe well the effect on the Mylow platter. Temporary resistance to field change may describe it better.
Quote from: BEP on May 05, 2009, 09:57:39 PM
Then Faraday was wrong when he rotated the magnet with the disc? He actually did not measure current when he rotated the magnet and disc together?
There are no Eddy currents generated because of the relationship between the rotor magnets and the disc?
Faraday was the first to offer a solution to his paradox but some say he couldn't prove it experimentally. His discarded solution was the flux cannot rotate about it's own axis.
Anyone with remaining Mylow motor attempts can prove or disprove this. Place a Hall -Effect probe under the disc while stationary and then moving. Leave the stator magnet out of the picture first. At that point you almost have a basic homopolar generator.
The idea of a delay is kewl but why would there be a delay. Wouldn't it be more redirection because you have a rotating disc in a stationary field?
Please, no one repeat the stanza about the rotor magnets are not moving in relation to the disc. That is obvious. What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet. Forget why Newton fails here.
Enough to be flamed, I'm sure ;D
Have at it folks!
But there is rotation. A magnetic field exerts a torque on ferric matter.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/magmom.html
This natural function of magnetism follows the right hand rule, and can be described as a gyroscopic force.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008JETPL..87..381Z
You can see how this force affects ferro-nanoparticles at the molecular level.
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg
Mylow may have found a way to utilize this phenomenon by 'riding the edge' of the stator and rotor magnets fields. The Bloch wall region is neither north or south- it's an area where north 'twists' into south-
http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sjldzt
I am posting here again to say something important.
In nature and in science there is equilibrium.
My statements , taken as over the top critisism were issued in response to what I felt was over top statements from Sterling and Mylow.Equally absurd.
I do not see how what I said was any more outrageous than what they said.
See if you can understand that.
Also. many good people with sense and knowledge are avoiding this place now, because of the fact that they feel that their comments might not be of the "cheerleading" type they feel is only allowed here.
Has anyone read the Steorn forum comments on this?
Why no complaint there?
Now a public press conference is to be scheduled. Expecting no skeptisism?
So we get to the point, through censorship, where everyone agrees the motor runs . Now What?
What is the end? Censor all skeptics and then what?
I have many experiments with what I saw,many results and observations. But, I believe that the presentation was over the top, so I will not post them.
What is the gain in the community?
What was the original goal afterall of open source?
Quote from: pinestone on May 06, 2009, 12:15:55 AM
But there is rotation. A magnetic field exerts a torque on ferric matter.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/magmom.html
That requires the flow of electric current
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This natural function of magnetism follows the right hand rule, and can be described as a gyroscopic force.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008JETPL..87..381Z
Yes, but how can this produce a non-zero torque on the disc?
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You can see how this force affects ferro-nanoparticles at the molecular level.
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg
I love that person's work but until I see how those photos are produced I can only assume it is for the same reasons magnetic fields look weird on a particular TV screen. This is fine for showing the separation called the Bloch wall but [I suspect] it also requires the application of moving charges.
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Mylow may have found a way to utilize this phenomenon by 'riding the edge' of the stator and rotor magnets fields. The Bloch wall region is neither north or south- it's an area where north 'twists' into south-
http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sjldzt
I'll agree this may be possible. The magnetic-only equivalent of a worm-drive? There have been a few published experiments indicating a simple magnetic dipole is a vortex like structure. Howard wasn't the only one. All indicated it was still static, no rotation.
The only place where rotation is apparent is during the transition between the Bloch and Neel walls. Since that has only been seen at the micro level I'm having trouble applying the concept here.
The reason for my rant remains. People need to understand the fact that the magnetic flux is not produced by a magnet. The field is but that is like saying you are measuring a measurement. The lines don't exist unless you throw iron filings or some other such material in the mix. This solves the paradox and explains how permanent magnets are magnetic without current flow from one end to the other.
There are great and widely accepted arguments to counter my statements. No need to repeat them here. We all understand them. To me, the fact remains a magnet to the magnetic flux is the same as a lens is to light.
It doesn't matter if you believe this or not. Take a moment and look at these problems using my perspective. Things start jiving.
Mylow's alu rotors are roughly 2-dimensional. Flat and round.
Supposing these dampening effects are indeed what makes his setups to allow for optimal magnets layouts resulting in spin...should the rotor not be a shaped to pin-point that dampening effect exactly where we want it? I'm thinking of a roughly fan shaped rotor, the thick blades offset from the rotor magnet groups.
Maybe so but I'll stick to making it work first :)
Quoteauthor=BEP
That requires the flow of electric current
You are wrong. A magnet will induce torque. The only difference between an electromagnet and a magnet is you can turn off an electromagnetic field with the flick of a switch.
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Yes, but how can this produce a non-zero torque on the disc?
A magnetic field wants to be at rest (conserved). Think of a ball rolling downhill. Torque disappears when the affected domains reach their lowest magnetic potential.
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I love that person's work but until I see how those photos are produced I can only assume it is for the same reasons magnetic fields look weird on a particular TV screen. This is fine for showing the separation called the Bloch wall but [I suspect] it also requires the application of moving charges.
I'm that person, and you are viewing my work (and the work of others).
My lens is a simple, passive device that responds to magnetism at the molecular level using nanotechnology. The images are un-touched, using only a digital camera.
And, a micro-grid CRT (TV) is basically a particle accelerator. Quite useful for studying magnetic fields.
http://www.particlephysics.ac.uk/news/picture-of-the-week/picture-archive/the-particle-accelerator-in-your-home.html
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I'll agree this may be possible. The magnetic-only equivalent of a worm-drive? There have been a few published experiments indicating a simple magnetic dipole is a vortex like structure. Howard wasn't the only one. All indicated it was still static, no rotation.
Again, this image I'm referencing is one taken through a Flux Resonator.
This is a special lens I built for a grad student in Kentucky.
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/photonic_dipole_contours_v17u7b.pdf
He's performed many experiments for his fellow students, instructors & professors. The torque from a magnet is real. You are viewing the lowest potential of the field.
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The only place where rotation is apparent is during the transition between the Bloch and Neel walls. Since that has only been seen at the micro level I'm having trouble applying the concept here.
My lens is rendering the field at the molecular level, not the micro level.
Look again & you will see how this new technology reveals more detail at another level...
Magnetic torque is quite apparent in this microscopic view of chains composed of ferro-nanoparticles move with the field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n1_6x3kEP8
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The reason for my rant remains. People need to understand the fact that the magnetic flux is not produced by a magnet. The field is but that is like saying you are measuring a measurement. The lines don't exist unless you throw iron filings or some other such material in the mix. This solves the paradox and explains how permanent magnets are magnetic without current flow from one end to the other.
I agree. There are no 'lines' of flux. There are only concentrations of the field at specific distances from the Bloch wall.
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There are great and widely accepted arguments to counter my statements. No need to repeat them here. We all understand them. To me, the fact remains a magnet to the magnetic flux is the same as a lens is to light.
Your statement is one reason there has been little progress in the understanding of magnetism. If you think everything has already been figured out, you're wrong.
NOBODY knows what a magnetic field is. It remains one of the mysteries of our universe.
now that we're all following 3 threads (pita)....
I emailed sandsmachine.com to see if they could machine a base to go with their aluminium plates, and package them for sale...
we'll see what happens...
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 06, 2009, 08:53:50 AM
now that we're all following 3 threads (pita)....
I emailed sandsmachine.com to see if they could machine a base to go with their aluminium plates, and package them for sale...
we'll see what happens...
sorry for the rant...I'll stay on topic
Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 09:39:50 PM
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It also would be why it can only achieve a limited RPM. If the field is stronger the delay would be shorter and the RPM higher. Or a thinner plate may cause higher RPM but reducing the field delay may bring back the natural PID effect of magnets and not work at all.
Huh? A magnet motor will have a limited RPM because there is no fluctuation in the magnetic flux strength. A magnet will have only one strength and so it can only push a nother magnet away at one speed,that speed will also be determined by the weight of the mass that is you are moving. Listen you say that the rotor magnets are blocking the eddy currents from the stator mag because they are stronger, which I may agree with that. It all depends on the strength of rotor mags and how fast aluminum is moving, but you can not argue that the two spaces where there is no magnets on the plate( in between the groups of magnets) is being blocked from the stator magnet. So twice per revolution the plate will have a brake affect and slow or stop, and then if it worked it would start then stop start then stop.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 06, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Huh? A magnet motor will have a limited RPM because there is no fluctuation in the magnetic flux strength. A magnet will have only one strength and so it can only push a nother magnet away at one speed,that speed will also be determined by the weight of the mass that is you are moving. Listen you say that the rotor magnets are blocking the eddy currents from the stator mag because they are stronger, which I may agree with that. It all depends on the strength of rotor mags and how fast aluminum is moving, but you can not argue that the two spaces where there is no magnets on the plate( in between the groups of magnets) is being blocked from the stator magnet. So twice per revolution the plate will have a brake affect and slow or stop, and then if it worked it would start then stop start then stop.
Mylow's rotor resembles a homopolar motor on a basic level.
All of the magnets poles are facing the same direction and have the same polarity. If you examine Faraday's Paradox-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Paradox
and read down to the paragraph that attempts to explain this phenomenon in modern terms...
"All electrons that move in a magnetic field experience a Lorentz force of F = v × B, where v is the velocity of the electrons. This force is perpendicular to both the velocity of the electrons, which is in the plane of the disc, and to the magnetic field, which is normal (surface normal) to the disc. An electron at rest in the frame of the disc moves circularly with the disc relative to the B-field, and so experiences a radial Lorentz force. In Figure 1 this force (on a positive charge, not an electron) is outward toward the rim according to the right-hand rule."
In Mylow's experiment, he's using a typical SMOT arrangement of magnets that force the rotor to spin.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMOT
And, according to Lorentz Law, it's a natural tendency for centifugal force to accumulate electrons around the circumference of the spinning disk. Once the disk begins to spin, a potential is developed between the center and the outer edge of the rotor. This potential may be directly responsible for the 'wave' we've seen with Mylows iron filings and viewing film experiments that he published on youtube.
Hey, it's just another theory...
(sorry for all the edits, but I like to be as accurate as I can)
The last two videos with the glass table top where the motor was shown running.
In one video we hear a clicking sound which is caused by the stator magnet mounts bumping the stator main bar. In the next video , he says this fixed by sticking toothpicks in there.
Fine.
Now, the sound , caused by the motion of the stators is a reaction to the incoming "Repelling field" = if it Wasn't repelling, there would be NO force acting on the stator.
1. This sound happened every time a revolution was made, which means there was a moment of repelling force between the stator magnets and the rotor disk on every revolution.
2. In spite of this happening, the rotor never reacts.
No cogging, smooth even rotation all around.
Something HAS to give. I can hear the stator reacting (until it was shimmed) and according to my buddy Newton, there has to be an equal and opposite force being applied against the rotor. Right?
So wouldn't this "friction" eventually cause the rotor to slow or stop, as it does all of my replication attempts? Or at least cog, hesitate or react in some way?
The force is not "overcome" because proof of it exists by the noise from the stator, so it is happening, but, then one may ask, why no reaction from the rotor?
Maybe the stator magnet was clicking every time it was trying to rotate from the push on one pole and the pull on the other end?
One can always find reasons why it does not work. Can you even think of one reason or principal that coud cause it to work?
Think positive, whats the worst that could happen?
Great job MyLow, that was a great video you showed everyone,
Thanks for sharing :o
Who is replicating MyLow's newest creation? (with the bar magnets)
anybody if so what are the links? (videos, information, etc..)
Thanks
Quote from: lumen on May 06, 2009, 12:33:54 PM
Maybe the stator magnet was clicking every time it was trying to rotate from the push on one pole and the pull on the other end?
One can always find reasons why it does not work. Can you even think of one reason or principal that coud cause it to work?
Think positive, whats the worst that could happen?
I didn't say it does not work. In fact, that's the condundrum.
Why does it effortlessly spin through obvious friction without ever slowing down or speeding up?
Every type of circular disc magnet arrangement I have ever tried does cog . Even this type with the aluminum plate and all.
Now, the cog is there, I can hear it.
Why does the rotor not react, when the stator obviously does?
That is the question.
http://www.physorg.com/news160753850.html
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 06, 2009, 01:23:30 PM
http://www.physorg.com/news160753850.html
Good point but this scenario, with due respect is beyond MyLow's ability; including most of us dare I say.
cheers
chrisC
hey can someone test my procurement thread to see if they can post in it? I have no idea if it's locked
:)
ellubpt
If it cogs once per rev it would have time to build momentum enough to over come it from the rest of the mass and movement around the circumference. There may also be be a flipping or twisting of the field in that spot when it is squeezed through this spot which causes it to be weaker then normally expected when it cogs.
No mater how it comes out to be this design could really make one hell of a motor with a little added power form an other wise free source like solar,wind or thermal energy converted to electric potential (peltier). The slightest addition of energy should cause it to speed up until it flies apart. I see little to no reason the magnets could not be made out of U shaped layers of metglass or other iron core material with a little neo nestled into the bottom of the U so that different size U's could be tried out cheaply with smaller stronger magnets. It's not really a U but i dont have a keyboard key that looks like the magnets in the vid.
Noticed the performance is or looks better on the one with two large gaps compared to the one with several large gaps between magnet sets. Have to wonder if one large gap would be better still. Add more rows and off set them so the gaps are in different places so no two gaps line up then the cog spot wont make a bit of difference.
Maybe someone already thought of this in an earlier post.I'm not reading all these posts today.
Little side note.It takes some time to find this thread still getting used to the changes.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 06, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
ellubpt
If it cogs once per rev it would have time to build momentum enough to over come it from the rest of the mass and movement around the circumference. There may also be be a flipping or twisting of the field in that spot when it is squeezed through this spot which causes it to be weaker then normally expected when it cogs.
If that was the case, there would be a speed change during the rotation at some point. I watched it spin , neither gaining or losing speed.
At slow speed it does for a fraction of a second when it is starting up as it creeps past the gaps.
Once it gets going there most likely is not enough difference long enough to detect it by eye.
I was just outside thinking about cutting the grass looking at a bicycle wheel on my kids bike. It crossed my mind that if you turned the magnets so the ends face out it would look a lot like? Who's wheel ,what wheel? Ed's wheel but his had no gaps.Who is near coral castle and has a big dc starter motor they can rip the mags out of to see if that booger will spin with this stator design over top of his wheel. Now would'nt that be a kick in the ass. Old fart might have had it all along.lol
Regarding Mylow's magnet machine, it really is a shame how far it has gone. I went through many of his videos over and over and if you look through them closely, no one has figured out yet that right outside the frame of the video he has someone blasting air onto his wheel to make it spin. I have been removing background noise on his videos and you can clearly hear the air being blasted onto the wheel. On his latest videos, he has turned up the music loudly so you can not hear the air blasting onto the wheel. Try this yourself and you can hear it. Mylow has been faking this from the beginning and that is one of his main reasons that he does not wish to go further, not from any outside sources that are "forcing" him to stop. He is the true liar and fake. :o ???
Following statement from Hansvonlieven Thank you
If that was not enough we get all these obviously idiotic stories of MIB's etc. and him getting miffed every time someone doubts that what is presented is real.
It is about time for Sterling and Mylow to realise that much of the disbelief in the device has been caused by Mylow's behaviour.
There are a number of honest people here in this forum that have spent a lot of money and time to validate Mylow's findings. I contend that Mylow and Sterling do owe these people something.
Get off your high horses and put something up that is more than the bullshit you have been feeding us.
Quote from: B.Lane on May 06, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Regarding Mylow's magnet machine, it really is a shame how far it has gone. I went through many of his videos over and over and if you look through them closely, no one has figured out yet that right outside the frame of the video he has someone blasting air onto his wheel to make it spin. I have been removing background noise on his videos and you can clearly hear the air being blasted onto the wheel. On his latest videos, he has turned up the music loudly so you can not hear the air blasting onto the wheel. Try this yourself and you can hear it. Mylow has been faking this from the beginning and that is one of his main reasons that he does not wish to go further, not from any outside sources that are "forcing" him to stop. He is the true liar and fake. :o ???
Following statement from Hansvonlieven Thank you
If that was not enough we get all these obviously idiotic stories of MIB's etc. and him getting miffed every time someone doubts that what is presented is real.
It is about time for Sterling and Mylow to realise that much of the disbelief in the device has been caused by Mylow's behaviour.
There are a number of honest people here in this forum that have spent a lot of money and time to validate Mylow's findings. I contend that Mylow and Sterling do owe these people something.
Get off your high horses and put something up that is more than the bullshit you have been feeding us.
Better be careful what you say on this thread. We have a moderator who will pull you off without hesitation (unless of course you have stringent proofs! Can you please post a proof? Thanks).
cheers
chrisC
Chris C.
I understand completely. I think the best thing to do would be to make a quick video showing the discrepancies. I think that would be the best way to demonstrate the removal of background noise. I need some time to get this all together and I will be back in a day or two. Hope I don't get banned before then.
Thanks for the information.
B.Lane
Quote from: B.Lane on May 06, 2009, 03:50:22 PM
Chris C.
I understand completely. I think the best thing to do would be to make a quick video showing the discrepancies. I think that would be the best way to demonstrate the removal of background noise. I need some time to get this all together and I will be back in a day or two. Hope I don't get banned before then.
Thanks for the information.
B.Lane
@ B.Lane
Thanks for your effort and pending proof.
Well, I'm sure if you have justifiable proof, we all be better off than wasting our time but until then MyLow rules on this thread. After all, we must march in goose-step fashioned or risk being sent off to some 're-education' forum!
cheers
chrisC
I wonder if Mylow should be "baned" until his claims are proved.
Quote from: billmehess on May 06, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
I wonder if Mylow should be "baned" until his claims are proved.
Hey watch your tongue! Loose talk gets nailed!
cheers
chrisC
sorry for my ignorance? is mylow on this board? under what name?
i just love Mrfixitrick's stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQiZoccoFU&feature=channel_page
Well, I'm sure if you have justifiable proof, we all be better off than wasting our time but until then MyLow rules on this thread. After all, we must march in goose-step fashioned or risk being sent off to some 're-education' forum!
Good point! ChrisC I am goose-stepping with everyone else until we figure this out. :-X
Quote from: cameron sydenham on May 06, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
sorry for my ignorance? is mylow on this board? under what name?
I'm sorry I don't know where Waldo is on these pages... Oh, I meant MyLow. How stupid of me.
cheers
chrisC
It is interesting to think that people could spend a bunch of time trying to figure out why it doesn't work so in the end they can say see see didn't I tell you that!
Then some people spend their time thinking of what could possibly cause this to work like it looks to be working.
Then in the end if it doesn't work, one type of people may have discovered something that could actually make it work, while the other type will have discovered all the ways it can't work.
And yes they will be able to say, see see I told you!
Quote from: lumen on May 06, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
It is interesting to think that people could spend a bunch of time trying to figure out why it doesn't work so in the end they can say see see didn't I tell you that!
Then some people spend their time thinking of what could possibly cause this to work like it looks to be working.
Then in the end if it doesn't work, one type of people may have discovered something that could actually make it work, while the other type will have discovered all the ways it can't work.
And yes they will be able to say, see see I told you!
There is only one way to figure out how it works.
Physical examination, tests and measurements resulting data.
That is the question. No one has been able to replicate.
The only working model is displayed on video only with no physical examination by a scientist.
Really not much left but speculate until that time, if it ever comes.
"We'd be fools not to ride this strange torpedo all the way to the end"
Quote from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
@wattsup...
hi...i opened this procurement thread in the hopes of moving things along for everyone.....
is this a good idea or bad idea?
if a good idea, can you somehow open up the thread so others can add to it? similar to my video summary sheet, it seems to be locked and no-one can enter it...
rsvp...thks
dixie
Quote from: chrisC on May 06, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
After all, we must march in goose-step fashioned or risk being sent off to some 're-education' forum!
You ARE in the re-education forum!
Quote from: BEP on May 06, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
You ARE in the re-education forum!
hehe... we shall see!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on May 06, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
hehe... we shall see!
cheers
chrisC
Oops! Wife is after me to clear the lawn, then mow. You folks must excuse me while I move those damned topographic map lines. They get caught in the mower blades, ya know :D
Quote from: johnfarmingdale on May 06, 2009, 07:22:46 PM
"We'd be fools not to ride this strange torpedo all the way to the end"
Quote from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
That's pretty funny! Here is a video of my G5 rotor actually turning. The lighting looked better before the upload. Nothing exciting to report. Same old problem, the same poles finally meet at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5okwNTmaU
Joe
"Sorry about the lighting..."
Now where have I heard that before?
:o
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 06, 2009, 11:52:50 PM
"Sorry about the lighting..."
Now where have I heard that before?
:o
Here is a pic with better light :D
Magneticmotor1's Youtube Channel #74 most subscribed (this week)
Lots of interest/ public awareness.
Dont Say that nyctuber we all know TinselKoala will really burst a Gasket.
=)
Here is the news i wanted to Post here.
i got in contact with Mylows Brother and we had a long talk for about 3 hours.
he told me that Mylows magnet Motor has been working for a while. his brother a long time partner in this venture told me in such a fashion "IT WORKS I CANT BELEAVE IT"
im so excited about this and Mylow is too.
i asked when can i see this thing?
he replyed i will let mylow know so you can see it.
"Question" how is this thing moving?
"Reply" mylow found the nitch he has found it.
"Question" will we see it on TV?
"Reply" thats not up too me.
version 1.0 was a good start
will 2.0 make head lines?
you will have to ask the community for free energy
they would know best.
Quote from: Giga on May 07, 2009, 04:04:31 AM
Here is the news i wanted to Post here.
i got in contact with Mylows Brother and we had a long talk for about 3 hours.
he told me that Mylows magnet Motor has been working for a while. his brother a long time partner in this venture told me in such a fashion "IT WORKS I CANT BELEAVE IT"
im so excited about this and Mylow is too.
i asked when can i see this thing?
he replyed i will let mylow know so you can see it.
"Question" how is this thing moving?
"Reply" mylow found the nitch he has found it.
"Question" will we see it on TV?
"Reply" thats not up too me.
version 1.0 was a good start
will 2.0 make head lines?
you will have to ask the community for free energy
they would know best.
@Giga
Whoa! That's some news and hopefully makes this saga incrementally more believable.
Now, just out of curiosity, are you MIB, FBI, NSA, CIA or just Mr. Nice Guy?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 07, 2009, 12:10:14 AM
Here is a pic with better light :D
Clearly a fake. That's not an apple, it's a mangosteen. And what's that over near the wall? Looks verry verrryyy suspicious, to me.
;D
(And I always say, if you've got a nitch, you should snatch it. Before somebody else does.)
Quote from: Giga on May 07, 2009, 04:04:31 AM
Here is the news i wanted to Post here.
i got in contact with Mylows Brother and we had a long talk for about 3 hours.
he told me that Mylows magnet Motor has been working for a while. his brother a long time partner in this venture told me in such a fashion "IT WORKS I CANT BELEAVE IT"
im so excited about this and Mylow is too.
i asked when can i see this thing?
he replyed i will let mylow know so you can see it.
"Question" how is this thing moving?
"Reply" mylow found the nitch he has found it.
"Question" will we see it on TV?
"Reply" thats not up too me.
version 1.0 was a good start
will 2.0 make head lines?
you will have to ask the community for free energy
they would know best.
WOW!!!! Some of the people here have lowered their self's to some sort of paparazzi to start calling his family to get answers. SHAME SHAME SHAME, if his motor works or if it does not leave his family out of this.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 07, 2009, 08:15:22 AM
Clearly a fake. That's not an apple, it's a mangosteen. And what's that over near the wall? Looks verry verrryyy suspicious, to me.
;D
(And I always say, if you've got a nitch, you should snatch it. Before somebody else does.)
Just thinking, there is probably no reason to try and get by two sticky spots. Just shoot for one and maybe it will even run faster (if it ever will run). I may try that next if I have time. Of course we have all seen this before, besides Mylow's. The best was Don Adsitt's (sp?) ramps. They were the longest magnetic circular/oval ramps I've seen, but he never got it to run, at least I dont think so. Can't find his videos anymore.
I'll have to try some mangosteen too ;)
Joe
@joe
QuoteJust thinking, there is probably no reason to try and get by two sticky spots.
I believe the array of magnets on the rotor simply appear to the stator magnet as a single large magnet face. This reacts like any magnet leaving the large push at the start and the large attract at the end.
If you continue to increase the spaces between the rotor magnets they will reach a point where each magnet will act on it's own. Somewhere in between these two conditions is likely what you are looking for.
Or maybe act on it's own towards each end of the array but closer in the center.
Quote from: lumen on May 07, 2009, 10:03:01 PM
@joe
I believe the array of magnets on the rotor simply appear to the stator magnet as a single large magnet face. This reacts like any magnet leaving the large push at the start and the large attract at the end.
If you continue to increase the spaces between the rotor magnets they will reach a point where each magnet will act on it's own. Somewhere in between these two conditions is likely what you are looking for.
Or maybe act on it's own towards each end of the array but closer in the center.
like this?
http://www-dsv.cea.fr/var/plain/storage/original/media/Image/Pascal/biopuces_86.jpg
Quote from: B.Lane on May 06, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Regarding Mylow's magnet machine, it really is a shame how far it has gone. I went through many of his videos over and over and if you look through them closely, no one has figured out yet that right outside the frame of the video he has someone blasting air onto his wheel to make it spin. I have been removing background noise on his videos and you can clearly hear the air being blasted onto the wheel. On his latest videos, he has turned up the music loudly so you can not hear the air blasting onto the wheel. Try this yourself and you can hear it. Mylow has been faking this from the beginning and that is one of his main reasons that he does not wish to go further, not from any outside sources that are "forcing" him to stop.
QuoteHow do you explain the moving round the camera in the glass table video
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This is better than any TV !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MghJpAtrk
Quote from: X00013 on May 08, 2009, 02:18:48 AM
This is better than any TV !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MghJpAtrk
Thank you X. Very moving indeed.
cheers
chrisC
Wow.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2009, 02:35:54 AM
Wow.
Bill
Looks like MyLow is true to his own words. I'm impressed. Would be triple impressed if he would only go that extra verification mile!
cheers
chrisC
Nice move from Mylow to visit the H. Johnson grave and pay him his
condolence.
I hope PMMtester will also see the motor from him ?
@ Stefan:
We can only hope.
Bill
I was killing a few minutes this morning reading through the Howard Johnson information and patent. To put it bluntly was Howard Johnson proven to be a fraud with his device? Or is it a matter of people not being able to reproduce what Howard Johnson did with his device? Just because something is not on the shelves at wall wart does not in my mind conclude something to be false or fraudulent. I have never seen a Bendini rock battery at wall wart even though he can produce them repeatedly. MRI's and dopler radar are not widely available to the general public for purchase or to play with. If there is a market for these items with in a select group or class of people they would have better things to do then to be concerned with the opinions or approval of people who can not afford or have reason to participate in the use of such equipment.
The belief in ones importance in the world is limited to the worlds perception of any given person. I can think I am the cat meow ,but the that notion stops with me as well. Mylow stepped onto a ground dwelling yellow jacket nest. Intent aside be his wheel real or not this is a clear demonstration of what a person can expect when good intentions are met with the inabillity of others. With out proof to call it quackery it is made out as such anyway.Only the working model is possible to prove or disprove if no one can reproduce it based on speculation of how it operates. Mylow may not even understand it well enough to provide good enough instruction for others to reproduce it or he may choose to leave out something for one reason or another. His wheel his choice. Johnson left enough info to work off of if a magnet motor is your cup of tea. If you can infer from his patents and drawings and statements as MYlow claims he did then have at it and prove it one way or another for yourself. if his wheel is a fraud then maybe yours will work for real but dont assume dumb luck did not play a part in mylow's wheel and dont expect to be as lucky if he was lucky at all. He does not appear to be that lucky to me regardless of the wheel. if he just wanted attention well i certainly doubt he get the kind he wanted.
Quote from: lumen on May 07, 2009, 10:03:01 PM
@joe
I believe the array of magnets on the rotor simply appear to the stator magnet as a single large magnet face. This reacts like any magnet leaving the large push at the start and the large attract at the end.
The way he has the rotor configured it is impossible that there is a large magnetic face on top of the plate since the are two large spaces in between the two groups of magnets. Which the eddie current brake affect will occur in those spaces and slow or stop the motor. Besides if there was a large magnetic face on the rotor that means that there would be an equal amount of repell or attraction on all sides of the stator magnet and with his set up will not move
PMMTester did not get to see it....
,according to Sterling.
Hat's off to HJ. Thanks Mylow and PMMtester.
If you compare HJ's docs to Mylows wheel, you may realize that HJ took what I would call the "forced" motive route meaning the device compensated in every way possible to push the revs one way. In comparison Mylow found the soft motive route. This for me is a GREAT step one and is definitely a grand indication for Mylows determination to patiently work out these things without getting to technically analytical. Find the soft route and then work it into a forced route for more torque. Soon.
Quote from: JoinTheFun on May 08, 2009, 08:55:20 AM
PMMTester did not get to see it....
,according to Sterling.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 08, 2009, 08:47:47 AM
The way he has the rotor configured it is impossible that there is a large magnetic face on top of the plate since the are two large spaces in between the two groups of magnets. Which the eddie current brake affect will occur in those spaces and slow or stop the motor. Besides if there was a large magnetic face on the rotor that means that there would be an equal amount of repell or attraction on all sides of the stator magnet and with his set up will not move
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKaLP1O6NY&feature=channel_page
Proportions should play a big role in the operation.Distance compared to strength of the assemblies the weight ratio of the mass of the wheel with the magnets installed.
Based on the last posts vid clip it seems to be more strained when the magnets pass under the stator assembly in that individual clip. From the minds eye if the distance was increased between the stator and rotor, the distance between the magnets on the rotor may have to be adjusted as well. If there is need for constant adjustment experimentally then it needs a test bed design that is adjustable in every direction with non magnetic adjustable components for each individual magnet. Which increases the complexity considerably. Even the XY orientation of the stator magnets should it be required in the event that not all magnets are evenly magnetized. I can even envision the rotor magnets having to be off set for some if the actual middle of the magnet is not consistent in all the magnets ie requiring shims for individual magnets to raise or lower them. Equally mylow may have inadvertently accidently stumbled upon a pattern of non equal positioning in the reverse of the same thought. perhaps the magnetic crest in the sets on rotor need to be in a definite spot.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 08, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKaLP1O6NY&feature=channel_page
Nice test.
Please keep on trying.
Maybe you still need other stator magnets which are a bit wider ?
Probably Mylow remagnetized his stator magnets also,
so they have the same or simular configuration like the horseshoe magnets ?
Did he ever say anything about his stator magnets how they are oriented ?
In these magnet motors a Millimeter change can mean success or failure !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 09, 2009, 08:54:14 AM
Nice test.
Please keep on trying.
Maybe you still need other stator magnets which are a bit wider ?
Probably Mylow remagnetized his stator magnets also,
so they have the same or simular configuration like the horseshoe magnets ?
Did he ever say anything about his stator magnets how they are oriented ?
In these magnet motors a Millimeter change can mean success or failure !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Sorry, that isn't my video should have been more specific.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 09, 2009, 08:16:38 AM
Proportions should play a big role in the operation.Distance compared to strength of the assemblies the weight ratio of the mass of the wheel with the magnets installed.
Based on the last posts vid clip it seems to be more strained when the magnets pass under the stator assembly in that individual clip. From the minds eye if the distance was increased between the stator and rotor, the distance between the magnets on the rotor may have to be adjusted as well. If there is need for constant adjustment experimentally then it needs a test bed design that is adjustable in every direction with non magnetic adjustable components for each individual magnet. Which increases the complexity considerably. Even the XY orientation of the stator magnets should it be required in the event that not all magnets are evenly magnetized. I can even envision the rotor magnets having to be off set for some if the actual middle of the magnet is not consistent in all the magnets ie requiring shims for individual magnets to raise or lower them. Equally mylow may have inadvertently accidently stumbled upon a pattern of non equal positioning in the reverse of the same thought. perhaps the magnetic crest in the sets on rotor need to be in a definite spot.
You are quite right on the need for a systematic approach, with a testbed that can truly examine a broad range of variables. And in addition to that, the testbed must have some way to produce real data, rather than subjective impressions, and must incorporate a means for imparting a repeatable starting impulse to the configuration under test. The device must be started from a "valley" not a "hill", of course.
I have such a testbed, as many of you might know. And I have been using it to examine configurations of magnets.
Now, Mylow does not appear to be using this systematic approach. Yet he has, in the space of a couple of months, produced as many as EIGHT configurations, with different magnets, that work. Inadvertently accidentally. He is so lucky he should be buying lottery tickets.
So the obvious conclusion is that the systematic approach that I believe in, is totally useless. :-\
No, wait, there's another obvious conclusion.... ::)
Well sun was shining so outside and dragged out some ferrite blocks I had to see if the ferrite/aluminium combination changed any of the effects.
Spent about 4 hours trying different Stator setups with no joy. But in saying that I have not got any decent size arcs to suit the width of these ferrites at the moment.
Time to look and see what old DC motors I have lying around.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 09, 2009, 12:28:34 PM
No, wait, there's another obvious conclusion.... ::)
He is in harmonious resonance with Mother Earth.
new video:
instructions with available magnets...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprrKlzCoN4&feature=channel_page
@CLaNZeR
Can you take a picture of your wheel looking sideways so we can see how you made the base. I think this base thing is very important and would like to see guys doing their replications and with the type of base they have and see if there is a relationship to a successful build with or without the exact Mylow base. My build will be almost exact to Mylows.
Did Mylow give any real dimension on his actual bar magnets? In his last video he says the ones Sterling sent him from Allmagnetics model CB65 were in his opinion to small.
Spec here on the CB65;
http://www.allmagnetics.com/ceramicblocks.htm
There are so many damn magnets out there it will be very easy to make a mistake. I will take the weekend to make my final choices.
Quote from: wattsup on May 09, 2009, 05:06:10 PM
@CLaNZeR
Can you take a picture of your wheel looking sideways so we can see how you made the base. I think this base thing is very important and would like to see guys doing their replications and with the type of base they have and see if there is a relationship to a successful build with or without the exact Mylow base. My build will be almost exact to Mylows.
Did Mylow give any real dimension on his actual bar magnets? In his last video he says the ones Sterling sent him from Allmagnetics model CB65 were in his opinion to small.
Spec here on the CB65;
http://www.allmagnetics.com/ceramicblocks.htm
There are so many damn magnets out there it will be very easy to make a mistake. I will take the weekend to make my final choices.
Not sure why Sterling didn't send these as they are probably closer to the original size that Mylow had ..
See part number
CB002200
on this page
http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/BLOCKSceramic.html
Bit bigger than cb65
Not sure about pricing - bet they cost more - better quality ceramic.
Queue
So the obvious conclusion is that the systematic approach that I believe in, is totally useless. :-\
No, wait, there's another obvious conclusion.... ::)
How many light bulbs did they invent and test that did not work before the one that did was found? What a dark and dismal life it would be with out those who dont give up.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 09, 2009, 06:05:29 PM
How many light bulbs did they invent and test that did not work before the one that did was found? What a dark and dismal life it would be with out those who don't give up.
Not quite the same though. Whilst it is true that it took hundreds of experiments to perfect the light bulb
it is also true that ALL of them worked! The problem that had to be overcome was to create a light bulb that did not burn out after a few seconds or minutes. There was never any doubt about the working principle, it was just a quest for the optimum material.
Hans von Lieven
@Clanzer,
QuoteTime to look and see what old DC motors I have lying around.
Seems to me you are a lot closer using DC motor magnets since that is what Mylow is using on his working motors and motor magnets are not horseshoe magnets.
You would then have only one pole facing your rotor magnets, not both poles like you would have using a horseshoe magnet.
Quote from: lumen on May 09, 2009, 07:37:24 PM
@Clanzer,
Seems to me you are a lot closer using DC motor magnets since that is what Mylow is using on his working motors and motor magnets are not horseshoe magnets.
You would then have only one pole facing your rotor magnets, not both poles like you would have using a horseshoe magnet.
Lumen
Don't forget that when you take two ARC ferrites from the same electric motor they are polar opposites. So yes .. when you use both pieces together offset from each other facing the same way .. you do still have a north and south side in that stator array as each ARC is the others polar opposite.
In other words - in the ARC pair taken from one electric motor both pieces get polarized through their thickness and as polar opposites one ARC has the north pole on it's outside ARC and the other piece has south on the outside ARC.
So a pair of ARC ferrites facing down to the rotor placed in the same orientation
are actually the same pole arrangement as a horseshoe thats facing the rotor plate.
Just like a horseshoe stator when you turn it around the other way the rotor goes the other way same thing happens when you flip the ARC pair around the other way.
Cheers
Q
queue, Yes you are correct, and I do understand that fully, and you do have the same poles facing the rotor magnets. The difference is that it ends up not being the same thing!
Motor magnets are as you state, one will have one polarity and the other will have the opposite polarity, but when looking at just one, it is a single polarity with two edges facing downward. This causes the single polarity to prefer one of the two edges and possibly switch between them, you will not get this effect using horseshoe magnets because each pole is only a single point and cannot switch the pole position like a motor magnet having two edges.
Did I even say that in a way that makes sense?
Quote from: lumen on May 09, 2009, 10:03:17 PM
queue, Yes you are correct, and I do understand that fully, and you do have the same poles facing the rotor magnets. The difference is that it ends up not being the same thing!
Motor magnets are as you state, one will have one polarity and the other will have the opposite polarity, but when looking at just one, it is a single polarity with two edges facing downward. This causes the single polarity to prefer one of the two edges and possibly switch between them, you will not get this effect using horseshoe magnets because each pole is only a single point and cannot switch the pole position like a motor magnet having two edges.
Did I even say that in a way that makes sense?
i understand your explanation thanks ..
There's a whole lot we don't understand about magnets and their fields how they work and interact with the world.. perfect domain for new discovery !
Queue
Boil your motor in water to loosen the glue and prevent damage to magnets when removing, try to find a motor with the same dims as mylows ( diameter ) if your usung .5x.5 x 2 " mags just a tip. measurments in pic are for reference only and do not depict actaul size alltho its pretty damn acurate!
I'm sorry but everything Mylow says in his intruction vid 1 contradicts his own working build as far as spacing and gapping goes for the stator, the proof is in the pictures versus what he says. With that said , I hope he can build another motor, just do what he does, not what he says. :)
hmm when I sign in the form is straight, when signed out the photo covers the text. Strange.
Quote from: X00013 on May 09, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
Boil your motor in water to loosen the glue and prevent damage to magnets when removing, try to find a motor with the same dims as mylows ( diameter ) if your usung .5x.5 x 2 " mags just a tip. measurments in pic are for reference only and do not depict actaul size alltho its pretty damn acurate!
Refigure your dimensions using 3/4" as the channel size
Anyone else having problems going to forums from home page.... I get a Russian teen hard core site that is opening up when I first access this site now.
Please fix this site!!!! >:(
Yea, that and virus notification.
Quote from: carbonc_cc on May 10, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
Yea, that and virus notification.
I don't notice anything unusual...but I'm using a Mac
;)
Yes, I was gettnig the same Russian porn site page as well. I just added it to my block list on adblockplus (firefox) and forbid the scripts (using noscript) and it is not displayed any more. First, I thought is was me and ran everything I have on my hard drives but there was nothing there. So, thanks for the confirmation that it is this site.
Bill
Hi Pirate
I'm getting the same thing,but not as clever as you,I don't know what to do.
peter
Trust me, I am not all that clever. I am using firefox as my browser (which this site is optimized to run on) and have the add-ons Ad Block Plus and No Script. These are easy to install and use. (also free) I learned about all this from others on here about a year ago so, I am just passing it on. There are good instructions for all of this with the sotware. I hope this helps.
Bill
Thanks Pirate
I'm sure that's some very useful info.If only I knew what to do with it!!!
peter
This P.O.R.N thing is fixed now.
read about it here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7444
U said- 'This P.O.R.N thing is fixed now.'
Its not quite fixed- i just logged on and had a Russian site pop-up that looked like a billing page (tho it was all in Russki so really couldn't tell for sure).
The porn thing is fixed? What was wrong with it? It worked fine.
Magnetic reaction question. Using pat# 4151431 Johnson's patent.
In fig 8 of the drawings 40 and 42 are the stator magnets are off set one slightly leading the other. the amount of off set looks to be half the width of a single magnet on the rotor. with an equal amount of distance between the rotor magnets themselves. In fig 5 the magnet of the stator (24) shows a flux path from the arched stator magnet which just slightly comes into contact with the flux path on the rotor magnets at the high point of the flux path between the rotor magnets where the flux is pressed upward by compression of like poles. So the question is will a magnet always choose to move in either direction if it's ends are passed over two magnets which spaced apart in such a way that they exceed the width of the stator magnets length? Is there even the slightest chance that an equalibrium point exists with this spacing?
Sorry if that is confusing.
New vid
The could be bad, CNN " working magnet motor leads to Russian kiddy porn"
Thanx DigJam, My bad, oops
fyi, mscdirect.com has .5 x.5 x 2 mags @ $16us a pop, not worth it, unless you want it that bad
Quote from: X00013 on May 10, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
fyi, mscdirect.com has .5 x.5 x 2 mags @ $16us a pop, not worth it, unless you want it that bad
Was just checking out these ceramics, looks about the same size as Mylow's Radio Shack bars, pretty cheap but too long (6"). Perhaps there's a way to slice them in half without affecting the magnetism or possibly use wider stators
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_6&products_id=377
Same ones w/ slight chips (cheaper)
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_10&products_id=713
My unicorn can cut in half.
I have to apologize to mylow: like a lot of other people, I thought he was some dope who was trying to put over an obvious fake - you know, the wobbly videos, never seeing the whole gadget at once, never seeing it accelerate.
But mylow has come out with several very impressive videos. The people at steorn.com, who think they are clever, can't figure out how he fakes them, and they have a lot more respect for him now.
Since he refuses to show the device to anyone, even though he had two recent opportunities to do so: one with Sterling Allen and one with pmmtester; and since no one has been able to replicate what appears to be a simple device, I have little doubt that his device is a phony, but I admire the clever way he is doing the fakery.
Well done mylow! I hope when you get tired of the game, you will let us know how you pulled it off.
@ Mylow, I wish you all the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zvg3SLf6sM
wot drawing programme are u using on that YT vid X00013?
chris
Quote from: X00013 on May 10, 2009, 04:31:31 PM
My unicorn can cut in half.
Mythical animal, or power tool?
I use solid works and Inventor and Unicorns. :)
Unicorns work best :)
Quote from: X00013 on May 10, 2009, 06:18:09 PM
Unicorns work best :)
Unicorn being defined as a single corn on your foot? ;D ;D
Hans
On a serious note http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/al_gore_warns_on_latest_climate_trends.html
@Mylow http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/earth-glacier-comparisions.html
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
...
If I allow two magnets to naturally attract to one another, with a N-S at one side and a S-N at the other, (not simply a N-S face orientation,) and then I twist the two magnets 90 degrees out of alignment with my fingers, I can feel a torque between them wanting to twist them back into the original attraction configuration. I think this is the simple key to Mylow's device.
He prevents them from torquing back into position by securing them, one in a fixed position, (the stator,) and many on a flat plane allowed to flow past the stator. Each magnet glued on the plate wants to twist just a little bit to align with the stator magnet and, as a result, it ends-up moving the plate just a little bit, bringing the next magnet into a position to want to twist. But none of them can twist because of the orientation of the plate, so each magnet moves the plate just a little bit and then they all add-up to a rotation of the plate. Simple.
...
Expanding upon this torque concept: I feel that Mylow's, "bearing at the bottom of a tall shaft," design is critical to the success of any replication.
This torque, or twisting force, at each rotor magnet acts in a narrow arc on the outer edge of the disc. Placing your bearing on, or near, the plane of the disc eliminates one of Mylow's design characteristics: His design introduces a, "vertical radial arm component," with his bearing located well below the plane of his rotor--which can enhance the torque using the vertical plane to help spin the rotor.
So, any rotor magnet torque reaction will twist his assembly along an axis from the rotor magnet down, on an angle, to the bearing. Together, all of the rotor magnet torque axis appear to be lines on the surface of an inverted cone shape.
We have all seen the vortex energy flow models. Placing his rotor's bearing point well below the rotor may be creating a focal point for a magnetic vortex energy flow pattern involving the earth below.
@queue
Thanks for the CB002200. I was on that page the day before and saw it was the only close one but still I think it is too small compared to Mylows. That site has a "ask for a quote" feature for standard or special sizes. I will try to ask them for a quote on 1/2" x 1/2" x 2" and 3/8" x 3/8" x 2" and see what they come back with in terms of costing. Ouch.
@Rosphere
Hallelujah........ you know. I had just finished this post yesterday but left to do the Mother's Day rounds then saw your post this morning, so may as well post it anyways.
@all
Guys, there is definitely a difference between a wheel turning on a fixed center axle shaft or a wheel turning on the end of an extended cylinder that has some good weight to it.
In the fixed shaft wheel the directionality that the stator/rotor forces can exert are generally forward and backward and the stress to start the turning will be transferred to the center shaft to hold the wheel in place. The center shaft will just be there to keep the wheel steady and may be the main blocking factor to get the Mylwo effect.
A wheel on an extended cylinder that itself has some weight to it can actually store some of the forward or backward thrust given off by the rotor /stator exchange. Also the wheel can pivot somewhat because the bearing position being at the base of the cylinder affords the wheel some leverage so there is some forces being exchanged from the exterior of the wheel to the center base. The stator/rotor can push ever so slightly down on the wheel and push up the other side that will then want to come back down pushing up the stator/rotor side again ever so slightly making more of a gyroscope effect to the wheel created by the stator/rotor.
When you look at an HJ wheel with all those rotors around, you can notice the rotors at the forefront where deep set and the rotors in the background were higher, making like a roller coaster effect. In HJ's build the roller coaster rotor placement is helping the wheel tear away from the stator then move closer to the stator, simulating the gyro but with two fixed planes.
The Mylow effect is essentially that the wheel is not on an axle. The better the rotor to bearing cylinder ratio of the Mylow effect, the better the sticky spot will "slip". Not by much. You still need to find the spot for the stator. Guys with fixed stator heights will find it harder to find the right spot.
So how did Mylow find the stator position? By ultimately finding the spot by putting it where it is and I would say within 1/4" of vertical and 1/4" of horizontal positioning precision. Meaning what. Meaning if the stator is 1/4" to high or low of a 1/4" to right or left the wheel will not turn. So there is a 1/4" cube space that you need to find. To systematically sweep the area for the best position, if your stator is on a fixed bridge, use 1/8" thick spacers and shim the stator bridge height on each side to raise the vertical then slide the bridge in 1/4" increments to sweep that level. Then add another shim and sweep again until you find the right spot. From Mylows build, we know you should not have to go more then 3 inch high and 3 inches left or right so there would be a maximum of 24 levels with 24 positions to sweep through to do a complete stator positioning.
Sounds like a plan wattsup.
Here is the quote I got from Master Magnetics on the CB00200 Are they larger than the magnets sent to Milow?
I do not need 185 ..... does anyone want to split an order that lives near NC?
Quote below...
"Hello, my name is Travis; I was forwarded an e-mail from you asking about one of our ceramic block magnets. A minimum order ($50.00) if CB00200 works out to be 185 pieces at $.27 each and I do have these available from stock. If you have any other questions or need any additional information, please let me know. Thanks for your interest in our products, have a good day."
Bill
I think there was a typo on the Part number CB002200... They do not have a CB00200. So I will verify the quote.
Bill
Quote from: broli on March 17, 2009, 10:07:33 AM
That's indeed cool. What amazes me more is the negative rating he has been receiving for the work in progress videos. Looks like desertphile and his gang were having fun. Youtube is as ignorant as these bunches.
April 11 2009 - Have you fellows been following this development still? If so,, what is your latest opinion?
Desertphile is a real piece of work.
Bill
Has Mylow ever stated the dimensions of the older bar magnets?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 12, 2009, 03:06:35 AM
Has Mylow ever stated the dimensions of the older bar magnets?
1/2" x 1/2" x 2"
New vid stator setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoSkHKsm7c&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on May 12, 2009, 11:33:01 AM
New vid stator setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoSkHKsm7c&feature=channel_page
Great work, MyLOW!
Nice new apparatus. I see money's not an issue.
What is that, now, NINE different configurations that work? Or is it TEN, I've lost count.
Gee, I sure am looking forward to a single builder who can produce a running device according to these instructions.
Especially since Sterling is charging "a small fee" to see your original videos.
Talked to any scientists or engineers lately? If you like, I can make some calls and set up an appointment for you.
Hi again,
Sorry I haven't had time to show Mylow's discrepancies on his past videos. This is the first time I've been back on the internet in a few days. But, I will in good time. I was looking at his latest videos and I can not believe what he is doing. Personally, I think he wants to be a movie star or else he has nothing better to do with his life than to make videos. I'm sorry for everybody who is patting him on the back and hoping that something comes out of this because, believe me, it's not going to. Whenever he gets around to aligning up his magnets he will still do his phony baloney act to make the wheel spin. Please everybody, don't waste your money on buying these magnets from Sterling or anyone else. Sterling knows exactly what he is doing - he is far from a stupid person. If he can make money, he will. It's just a business. Please wait and we will all see at the end that Mylow's machine will never be documented by anybody since it is only his fantasy. Regards to Howard Johnson - may he rest in peace. Thanks everybody.
Until replicated exactly I am enjoying the show.
Well, interesting new videos also revealing, how he chooses
the gapping and the offset stacking of his stator magnet.
But what I don´t understand is, how he could dismantle
a running motor !
I would never do this.
Well, we will see, if he will get it running again and hopefully
he will show it then to some other people and not just his family.
This motor needs to be verified by other trusted people.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. @user B.Lane,
please show first any evidence before you post over here that it is a fake !
@ Stefan:
I recognize this new set-up from one of Sterling's early videos where he had a local guy (Bob?) make him a device like Mylow's. Mylow did say this new device was provided by a local guy named Bob so, it makes sense. (I recognize the acrylic posts and other details) What I want to know is, where is the other device?
Bill
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 12, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
Well, interesting new videos also revealing, how he chooses
the gapping and the offset stacking of his stator magnet.
But what I don´t understand is, how he could dismantle
a running motor !
I would never do this.
Well, we will see, if he will get it running again and hopefully
he will show it then to some other people and not just his family.
This motor needs to be verified by other trusted people.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. @user B.Lane,
please show first any evidence before you post over here that it is a fake !
I WANT to believe
But the fact that he seems to be able to create acceleration in several configurations -seemingly no matter what he does- has to raise a red flag.
Especially because there is noone who has replicated this appearantly simple feat, even with the same materials.
Either there is "something" not seen before in modern science happening due to the bearing assembly and disc...
OR
Something is hidden (probably bearing).
Beware Occam's Razor
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 12, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
But what I don´t understand is, how he could dismantle
a running motor !
My first thought as well. He did crash the stator into a few rotors, but why dismantle the whole thing???
It's somewhat torturous/maddening.
Perhaps she's just so confident that he'll be able to repeat it, now that he has created the "feel" for it.
He seems most genuine.
I'm waiting for him to make the ying/yang rotor to work and ship it back to the owner. Put the thing on display, continually digitally monitor the rpm's. Build a vacuum chamber around it while it keeps spinning (start out on large smooth alu/steel table top), see what happens.
But most, I wonder how much energy can be taken from it continiously, without the thing stalling. While they seem to work fine, his machines don't exactly jump to their eq. rpm's.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
Quote from: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 04:14:43 AM
My first thought as well. He did crash the stator into a few rotors, but why dismantle the whole thing???
It's somewhat torturous/maddening.
Don't worry, he can put it back together. When his heart heals he will try again. He's going through the same thing emotionally as Howard and others. It's really frustrating to attempt something for the good of mankind and then receive so much ridicule. Give it time. I have a very good reason to think that he will be presenting his 'serious' version soon. What he is showing us now is just his demonstrator.
Any places where the Europeans can get these magnets cheaply?
Spacing the rotors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SafNL6yqg&feature=channel_page
Hi Mylow,
just saw your vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SafNL6yqg&feature=channel_page
"video #4 part 4; spaceing of rotor magnets; this is the fun part"
That is fantastic and
You are fantastic.
Thanks for these videos.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 07:00:50 AM
http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
Wow, this is great! Soon there will be a solution that will allow the use of a number of different magnets which are available from surplus sources. This will help prevent us from being locked into a single source at retail prices. Keep your eyes open for this information. I have been told by a very reliable source that it will be available soon.
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 13, 2009, 05:32:32 AM
Perhaps she's just so confident that he'll be able to repeat it, now that he has created the "feel" for it.
He seems most genuine.
I'm waiting for him to make the ying/yang rotor to work and ship it back to the owner. Put the thing on display, continually digitally monitor the rpm's. Build a vacuum chamber around it while it keeps spinning (start out on large smooth alu/steel table top), see what happens.
But most, I wonder how much energy can be taken from it continiously, without the thing stalling. While they seem to work fine, his machines don't exactly jump to their eq. rpm's.
Sounds like a plan but I think that maybe the owners of the ying yang should be able to accomplish this by themselves. It seems as though the owners are having built for them so they can sell kits and components. But then, I guess somebody has to do it:) Nevertheless, I think that we will see a posting of the operating ying yang by tomorrow night. Don't think tonight will be feasible but only Mylows knows for sure I guess. I am curious..... why would the motor need to be put in a vacuum chamber?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 12, 2009, 01:32:09 PM
Great work, MyLOW!
Nice new apparatus.
So when MyLow gets the Yin/yang disk from Bob in Utah turning on its own will you believe it then?
Quote from: oscar on May 13, 2009, 09:44:12 AM
Hi Mylow,
just saw your vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SafNL6yqg&feature=channel_page
"video #4 part 4; spaceing of rotor magnets; this is the fun part"
That is fantastic and
You are fantastic.
Thanks for these videos.
I must admit, what finally got me excited was when I saw how the disc was oscillating like a pendulum and it seemed like it wanted to continue doing so. Good job myLow! Maybe when it's all over, my little replication will begin to turn some heads as well! Keep the videos coming!
@Bill
Maybe Lawrence can make finally make a 'Lead-Out' pendulum after all!
cheers
chrisC
Please make your comments !
Here is the acceleration analysis of video:
M2U00173 (original video)
M2U00176 (original video)
M2U00163 (original video)
M2U00159 (original video)
With a newly programmed software that works with an external sensor it was possible to automatically perform an acceleration analysis of any of Mylow's videos very quickly.. The output is presented as a graphic with time on the x axis, and rotation speed on the y axis.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
The lines that deviate from the acceleration curve in the graph are the mistakes of the sensor due to camera movement.
I hope that these graphics show results comprehensible to all,
if you have questions about the methodology or the interpretation of these figures, do not hesitate to ask.
Thanks,
LightRider
Analyzes these videos may contain errors, stay vigilant,
if that is the case, please notify me.
Videos of reference for these analysis are as follows :
(the original version was used for analysis, not the compressed version of youtube that here)
M2U00173_May2-glass-table_bar-magnet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU
M2U00176_May3_glass_table_second
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
M2U00163_Apr30-bar-magnet-reverse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax9w_LQbXfQ
M2U00159_Apr29-bar-magnet-rotating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naXObA9uOw
peswiki page at:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data:Motor_RPM_--_by_LightRider
I think that even having a working '"ying yang" motor in Mylow's home will not be enough, it needs to be shipped to another place and run. THEN we can get out the beer and start the "WOOT's" ;)
Of course more replications before then will be grand as well.
But despite the evidence, and Mylow's evident sincerity, it is important to remember we will be watched carefully, and judged: And how we handle this affair will be noted in the "release" should and when it comes. This is why caution is so important: It shows we are "serious", self-skeptical, and interested in Scientific Method.
The reason why that's important, is because there would likely be a huge storm of knee-jerk denial as soon as something like this is announced (technically not the same as "honest skepticism", since that at least should have something to back it besides simple negative opinion). And to get through that wall of disbelief quickly, we need to show a track record of "denial" ourselves.
We can't afford a 20 year wait like with LENR. We need to get this right the first time. And having the replications and independent verifications under our belts FIRST is the only sure way to achieve this. it's got nothing to do with Mylow's credibility: It is about ours.
Congrats Mylow
Good job, maybe you need a bigger memory card for your camera or a way to use you cell phone as a web cam then just set it up to record to a file on pc or a cd. Might save ya a lot of head aches.
Quote from: Justalabrat on May 13, 2009, 12:29:56 PM
So when MyLow gets the Yin/yang disk from Bob in Utah turning on its own will you believe it then?
When it's returned to Bob in Utah, and it still works...then I'd start looking into Bob's credentials. But that would be a major step toward establishing credibility for Mylow.
Too bad it won't happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Mylow will show it working, after some failed attempts...but it will not work when it's returned to Bob, or Sterling, or whomever.
Quote from: LightRider on May 13, 2009, 01:47:04 PM
Please make your comments !
Here is the acceleration analysis of video:
M2U00173 (original video)
M2U00176 (original video)
M2U00163 (original video)
M2U00159 (original video)
With a newly programmed software that works with an external sensor it was possible to automatically perform an acceleration analysis of any of Mylow's videos very quickly.. The output is presented as a graphic with time on the x axis, and rotation speed on the y axis.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
The lines that deviate from the acceleration curve in the graph are the mistakes of the sensor due to camera movement.
I hope that these graphics show results comprehensible to all,
if you have questions about the methodology or the interpretation of these figures, do not hesitate to ask.
Thanks,
LightRider
Analyzes these videos may contain errors, stay vigilant,
if that is the case, please notify me.
Videos of reference for these analysis are as follows :
(the original version was used for analysis, not the compressed version of youtube that here)
M2U00173_May2-glass-table_bar-magnet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU
M2U00176_May3_glass_table_second
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
M2U00163_Apr30-bar-magnet-reverse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax9w_LQbXfQ
M2U00159_Apr29-bar-magnet-rotating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naXObA9uOw
peswiki page at:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data:Motor_RPM_--_by_LightRider
These graphs are great, and clearly show that the device is being driven externally, not by the magnet interactions. For example, note the smoothness of the initial acceleration curve. This method is sensitive enough, I believe, to have shown the difference in disk speed in the "gaps"--which definitely should be there at slow speeds, if the disk is being driven by the magnets. But the graphs do not show these differences.
Even in my motor-driven RPM curves, at slow speeds you can see the variation in speed caused by the clutch arrangement, and on my disks with magnets you can see the variation in the "gaps". But on LightRider's excellent graphs the accelerations are particularly smooth at low speeds.
This, to me, is very telling: It is telling us that MyLOW's disk is not being propelled by the magnets.
Thanks, LR, for the excellent work.
I'd be interested in seeing if the same technique, applied to a video of my turning disk, would in fact actually pick up my clutch signature. Maybe we can set something up to compare and see?
Mylows motor "accelerates" and then finds a constant speed? For this to happen there must be a constant input of increasing power to compensate for a normal slowdown due to friction and air resistance. Where is the every increasing power coming from? So this must not only be a PMM but also a power supply that is increasing in power exponentially? Really?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 03:05:08 PM
These graphs are great, and clearly show that the device is being driven externally, not by the magnet interactions. For example, note the smoothness of the initial acceleration curve. This method is sensitive enough, I believe, to have shown the difference in disk speed in the "gaps"--which definitely should be there at slow speeds, if the disk is being driven by the magnets. But the graphs do not show these differences.
Even in my motor-driven RPM curves, at slow speeds you can see the variation in speed caused by the clutch arrangement, and on my disks with magnets you can see the variation in the "gaps". But on LightRider's excellent graphs the accelerations are particularly smooth at low speeds.
This, to me, is very telling: It is telling us that MyLOW's disk is not being propelled by the magnets.
Thanks, LR, for the excellent work.
I'd be interested in seeing if the same technique, applied to a video of my turning disk, would in fact actually pick up my clutch signature. Maybe we can set something up to compare and see?
Please, send me a video of about 10 min with a fixed camera and I would do the analysis.
LightRider
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 03:05:08 PM
These graphs are great, and clearly show that the device is being driven externally, not by the magnet interactions. For example, note the smoothness of the initial acceleration curve. This method is sensitive enough, I believe, to have shown the difference in disk speed in the "gaps"--which definitely should be there at slow speeds, if the disk is being driven by the magnets. But the graphs do not show these differences.
Even in my motor-driven RPM curves, at slow speeds you can see the variation in speed caused by the clutch arrangement, and on my disks with magnets you can see the variation in the "gaps". But on LightRider's excellent graphs the accelerations are particularly smooth at low speeds.
This, to me, is very telling: It is telling us that MyLOW's disk is not being propelled by the magnets.
Thanks, LR, for the excellent work.
I'd be interested in seeing if the same technique, applied to a video of my turning disk, would in fact actually pick up my clutch signature. Maybe we can set something up to compare and see?
Considering no one has ever seen an acceleration graph of a working pmm I think your conclusion may be premature. The analysis of your disk would be very interesting to see. I appreciate your skills as a builder, and even your skeptical approach and look forward to seeing more of your work. I'm still on the fence for this one and all the video analysis, audio signature tracking, and speculation (for or against) don't do much to change my opinion either way, but i approach it with an open mind and look forward to the conclusion of this saga. I'm still waiting on the success or failure of many replicators to lend weight to the subject.
@all
I was just reading the Magnetic Refrigerator thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3219.msg178166#msg178166
I Googled around and found an article at http://www.alphagalileo.org/Organisations/ViewItem.aspx?OrganisationId=880&ItemId=12683&CultureCode=en
It describes the process of special magnetic material made to cool by "demagnetizing" used in this case as a refrigerator action.
This seems like a possible explanation to Mylow's stator magnet cooling effect that was observed earlier.
Regards,
Paul
A magnetic refrig. uses Gadolinium. In the presence of a Strong magnetic field (1 Tesla and above) Gadolinium when moving through that field will change temperature. Mylow is not using Gadolinium nor are his magnets that strong.
Sterling has reported in his latest conversation with Mylow that
Mylow has achieved revolution using only 6 Radio shack magnets.
We have gone from an array of c magnets, to 36 Radio Shack Magnets, to now only 6 Radio Shack magnets.Is the "logical" extrapolation of this is that within a week we will see a running magnetic motor with no magnets at all?
Just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page
Running with just six magnets....
Very convincing indeed. Another recommendation for the builders out there is to have as much adjustable parameters as possible on the motor. Like being able to adjust the the offset of the stator magnets in realtime and observing the effect. And maybe even being able to adjust the gaping on the rotor magnets on the fly.
Good job mylow I hope many will post their replica's to ease the pressure on you.
I´m watching it, but I cannot believe it.... The way the set is repulsed and somehow still accelerates past that repulsing field.
How the hell is that possible?
And where the hell can I buy these exact same horseshoes in Europe!
8)
Quote from: broli on May 13, 2009, 07:23:46 PM
Good job mylow I hope many will post their replica's to ease the pressure on you.
Last one to replicate is a rotten egg...
I failed so far but do not have those damned horseshoes which seem to be the key...
Have such a beautiful disc with a CD bearing too darned
EDIT: Can we get a flux field viewer shot what happens near the stator when the set approaches and passes?
@LightRider
Thanks for those graphs. This however cannot be used to determine if the wheel is or not driven with an outer source. It only shows the wheel as it is, since it can only be what it is. You have to consider the magnets are not perfectly arranged.
My metal shop guy just got all my accumulated aluminum parts and promised to have my wheel made by next Wednesday. One more week. Ahhhhhhhh. I'll continue practicing on my Pizza wheel.
Mylows' instructional videos are coming in just in time.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 07:18:23 PM
Just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page
Running with just six magnets....
I hereby retract what I wrote a few days ago about the need to have the bearing well below the rotor.
I am beginning to doubt my doubt about permanent magnet motors. I am actually starting to consider a replication attempt.
I wonder how much of a load can be powered from a well placed coil before the rotor crawls to a stop.
Hello all.
Mylows latest vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page
I have been on the side that Mylow was beating around the bush from the begining. But this vid, if nobody is able to do what is shown here, then the bush will will have to keep taking a beating. ;D
I would love to see it be the real deal, just too many unanswered questions.
Magluvin
Quote from: billmehess on May 13, 2009, 07:05:50 PM
A magnetic refrig. uses Gadolinium. In the presence of a Strong magnetic field (1 Tesla and above) Gadolinium when moving through that field will change temperature. Mylow is not using Gadolinium nor are his magnets that strong.
Sterling has reported in his latest conversation with Mylow that
Mylow has achieved revolution using only 6 Radio shack magnets.
We have gone from an array of c magnets, to 36 Radio Shack Magnets, to now only 6 Radio Shack magnets.Is the "logical" extrapolation of this is that within a week we will see a running magnetic motor with no magnets at all?
um, what?!
I dont like how in the end of the vid, that it starts turning when Mylowbro let it go. There seems to be a lot of that.
Magluvin
Quote from: X00013 on March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM
Not my vid, interesting thou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDXsrrs398
and
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MYLOW121363&view=videos
Hey guys, Mylow is vinidicated. Does anyone have the full scoop on the Bedini Group replication yet?
Quote from: Magluvin on May 13, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Hello all.
Mylows latest vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page
I have been on the side that Mylow was beating around the bush from the begining. But this vid, if nobody is able to do what is shown here, then the bush will will have to keep taking a beating. ;D
I would love to see it be the real deal, just too many unanswered questions.
Magluvin
This certainly turned heads! I think this video was what we all had been looking for and now, maybe even I can do it! Unfortunately I don't have time for the next 3 weeks!
Good job MyLow twins!
cheers
chrisC
Absolutely Amazing !
I thought Jose would never get it running again,
after he had dismantled his last motor, but I was wrong
and how wrong I was, but now I like to have been wrong ! ;)
He explained it all very well in his last tutorial videos
and now it is working even better with
just a handfull of magnets.
Jose (Mylow) and his twin brother Tiny have really made my day !
Congratulations !
I hope they will show it again also on the glas table
and invite more people to show it to them too.
Many thanks in advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
Last one to replicate is a rotten egg...
I failed so far but do not have those damned horseshoes which seem to be the key...
Have such a beautiful disc with a CD bearing too darned
EDIT: Can we get a flux field viewer shot what happens near the stator when the set approaches and passes?
I have a hunch that you do not need the horseshoe magnets. Just replace them with bar magnets of the same width and at the same stator height and see what you get. The only one that can confirm this right now is mylow :P .
Quote from: broli on May 13, 2009, 08:33:04 PM
I have a hunch that you do not need the horseshoe magnets. Just replace them with bar magnets of the same width and at the same stator height and see what you get. The only one that can confirm this right now is mylow :P .
Not to be all cryptic and such but remember the secret of the snowflake. This motor can be configured in many different ways.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 07:18:23 PM
Just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page
Running with just six magnets....
The only thing that bothers me with this video is at the end, Tony is very reluctant to let go of the disk. Mylow keeps saying "you can let it go" when it is let go it seems to slowly accelerate despite the rotor mags not being close to the stator. Also throughout the vid all disk manipulations are carefully done so the hand does not leave the disk for long. These observations could indicate a small torque bias being applied from something other than the mounted mags.
The one thing speaking against it is that the disk is stationary at the begining of the vid, but if the bias torque is very small then it may be possible with a steady hand to carefuly balance the disk on the bearings static friction. Similar to carefuly placing a toy car on a very slightly inclined plank, it will stay there, but once set in motion even very slightly it will accelerate.
I only mention it because those last words "you can let it go" repeated seemed to carry the intonation of an order to override a previous order to the contrary before the vid started, something like "don´t let the rotor go for too long while were filming", also after Tony tentatively let it go and noticed it spinning his hand rushed back in to stop it.
Of course I do hope I´m wrong, but speaking for myself I do not 100% believe... yet! I´m probably a 99% believer but my mind is desperately looking to fill that remaining 1% and so I scrutinise the vids very closely.
edit: if the disk were shipped back to the original builder and it ran for him I would 100% believe.
Can you all really not see that at 7:10-7:25 when the motor is stopped by hand, it needs to be restrained from restarting, even though it is nowhere near the starting position...and Mr Hand maintains contact until it is positioned and released, when it merrily accelerates...
Try that with your disks, everybody, and see how unnatural it feels.
And then there's the matter of the Mylow Touch-- every configuration he tries, works. That is now, at least, TEN different configurations, of all different kinds of magnets, that work.
EDIT I see Yucca has noticed the same thing. This is also quite evident in the Glass Table Video at the end, where he stops the rotor, and then has to keep his hand on it while removing the stator mount, and then still has to restrain the wheel EVEN THOUGH THE STATOR MOUNT IS REMOVED, until he takes it off the base. Very unnatural.
Mr Hand. I like that.
I told Mylow he better get out the level again. And if it is level, something else is turning it.
I dont buy it.
Hows it going Tinsel? Just joined up.
Magluvin
Quote from: broli on May 13, 2009, 08:33:04 PM
I have a hunch that you do not need the horseshoe magnets. Just replace them with bar magnets of the same width and at the same stator height and see what you get. The only one that can confirm this right now is mylow :P .
No for some reason using bar magnets it simply fails COGs stops blub
Found the same model of horse shoe magnets in China: http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/johnsonmag/product-detailaopnfhPTBgcx/China-Horseshoe-Magnet-02-.html
Need to verify this is the exact same type first..
At 7:37, Tony releases the wheel from a standstill. Then, at 8:16, he says "Two minutes and Eight seconds...it takes 4 or 5 minutes to reach equilibrium speed" and Mylow agrees.
BUT the motor was released from a standstill only 39 seconds before, and it is already at "equilibrium speed".
They can't tell their improvisations and ad-libs from their script.
What's that little double click in the soundtrack, right before the end, right before Mylow tells Tony to let it go, several times, while Tony is reluctant to do so....
lol have to go out and get some of those smaller horse shoe magnets or some big 6.5 inch long bar mags. The only thing i have are monster size motor mags that are similar to the horse shoes. 6 bars of reasonable size.
6 and half dozen or the other.Went looking at the home centers they don't have anything. Maybe tomorrow will provide the answer locally other wise i have to settle for ordering on the net. Getting tired of waiting for the postal disservice to get stuff delivered.
That spacing was well explained once his mind stopped racing ahead of his mouth. Dude needs to relax and quit sweating the nay sayer's. Back when they thought the world was flat it toke quite a leap of faith to sail over the proposed edge only to find the back side view of the ass who said it was flat.
Quote from: Magluvin on May 13, 2009, 08:50:47 PM
Mr Hand. I like that.
I told Mylow he better get out the level again. And if it is level, something else is turning it.
I dont buy it.
Hows it going Tinsel? Just joined up.
Magluvin
Hey Magluvin Nice to have you around here.
Even if it's not level, something else is turning it. (Non-level will only get you once around, just like magnets. A gravity wheel only needs to be a little off level to be a gravity wheel, but it would still be a gravity wheel, and even gravity-assisted magnet wheels, or magnet-assisted gravity wheels, aren't supposed to work. )
But yes, I'd like to see it level, see the base (with no possibility that it was switched out for a motorized one like in the Glass Table video) and see someone with some outside credentials view the motor.
Level, he might show. The rest, fergeddaboudit.
it's so funny, the sceptics are here...
and hey, that's alright. I as well want to see someone else in the room, that can verify it...
...but mylow man, you got me.....this is amazing.....
somebody has to be able to replicate this
Thanks TK
I tell him to check it with the level, because if I tell him he is running it with a motor, he will block me. ;D The last time I told him the table was not level, he came back and busted out the level, leveled it, and guess what, the motor didnt run like it did unlevel. But now that he stepped up to using motors, ehh.
I wanted to see what his comeback would be, if any.
trix for trix
Magluvin
Hi Tinsel,
what about your 1000 Ca$ offer ?
Does this offer still stand ?
Maybe Mylow is accepting it soon ?? ;) ;D
Well, if you are a skeptic, how do you think they would
have set this up ?
Have a motor hidden in the aluminium shaft ?
Remember it is now Bob´s disc.
Or something hidden in the cupboard underneath ?
I agree, they still have to show it again on the glas table.
Would be good, if the Twins accept your offer and earn
themself quickly the 1000 Ca$ !
;)
I may hate myself in the morning but I just ordered 24 x ceramics (07043) and 4 x alnico horseshoes (07270) from acehardwareoutlet.com (international shipping)
Must know and see for myself if Tony & Joe are "wise guys".
Come on FedEX, I am waiting....
AZ
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 09:07:11 PM
But yes, I'd like to see it level, see the base (with no possibility that it was switched out for a motorized one like in the Glass Table video) and see someone with some outside credentials view the motor.
Level, he might show. The rest, fergeddaboudit.
I wouldn't care if it was on a 45 degree angle. Being level has nothing at all to do with anything here :) (except for an under 1 or 2 revolution demo, and we are way past that!)
The last video has got me ready to go buy magnets! All of my being fake possibilities are just about out. Like others have said, there should be several replications soon, or it's probably is a fake. It looks so simple now. But of course we should never trust videos. Only several replications now will really prove this once and for all.
I know I can get magnets like those tomorrow probably. We'll see.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
I may hate myself in the morning but I just ordered 24 x ceramics (07043) and 4 x alnico horseshoes (07270) from acehardwareoutlet.com (international shipping)
Must know and see for myself if Tony & Joe are "wise guys".
Come on FedEX, I am waiting....
AZ
Hi Doc,
I see another replication coming:) That's not a lot of money but I guess the FEDX fee is gonna be the most expensive part. Please let us all know if you have any questions.
I wish you all good luck with that. I just cant follow Mylows lead for very good reasons, that I suppose some cannot see. But, if 2 or more of you guys bust one out, then another and another, you can bet Ill be maggin it up and polishing my plate and workin my bearings in graphite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTfFIetYPY
And a rundown 2 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGjK3P7JBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXtRSxm73g
Magluvin
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 13, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
Hi Doc,
I see another replication coming:) That's not a lot of money but I guess the FEDX fee is gonna be the most expensive part. Please let us all know if you have any questions.
My preliminary questions would be:
What is that clear "click" at 08:39 the moment Tony stops the disc
Why is Tony reluctant to let go off the disc at 08:44?
Why does the disc move after Tony releases his grip at 08:45 and immediately grips it again in reaction?
What is Tony whispering at 08:48?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it briefly at 08:50?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it at 08:51?
And finally: Why is his hand reactively moving back at 08:52 to stop the wheel again?
While all this time the rotor magnets are nowhere near the stator assembly?Must be some super bearing. We will soon know.
I will either fall to my knees on YouTube and humbly apologize for my skepticism with a magnetic selfstarter running in the background powering my laptop -OR- I will spend some more money and FedEX a hitman to Chicago.
AZ 8)
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 13, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Hi Tinsel,
what about your 1000 Ca$ offer ?
Does this offer still stand ?
Maybe Mylow is accepting it soon ?? ;) ;D
Well, if you are a skeptic, how do you think they would
have set this up ?
Have a motor hidden in the aluminium shaft ?
Remember it is now Bob´s disc.
Or something hidden in the cupboard underneath ?
I agree, they still have to show it again on the glas table.
Would be good, if the Twins accept your offer and earn
themself quickly the 1000 Ca$ !
;)
Careful, there, Stefan, the moderator doesn't like discussion of that money--you might get banned!!
Of course the offer still stands, as it was originally made. Get 2 engineers and/or physicists from the U of Chicago to vet the motor and to state on camera that MyLOW has a self running magnet motor, and I will immediately (after talking to the scientists and confirming credentials, of course) wire the cash to Mylow or to whomever he designates.
Then I will dig a hole and crawl into it, because the world will begin changing very rapidly.
Of course there may be a motor in the little stub axle or pedestal, and we aren't shown underneath in the latest vid.
Why, in those two videos, are there clearly places where the wheel has to be restrained from turning, when it shouldn't be wanting to turn? In the Glass Table video it wants to keep turning even after the stator mount is removed, and in the current video Tony has to do some pretty fancy fingerwork there at the end to keep it from turning until Mylow turns it off. "clickclick You can let it go now Tony." But Tony seems reluctant to release it until Mylow insists...
And of course they get their script a little garbled there when they interpolate the manual stop and restart--the thing only takes 39 seconds or something to speed back up, yet they both agree that it will take 4 or 5 minutes...hmmm....
But..that's entertainment....
;)
Quote from: Magluvin on May 13, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
I wish you all good luck with that. I just cant follow Mylows lead for very good reasons, that I suppose some cannot see. But, if 2 or more of you guys bust one out, then another and another, you can bet Ill be maggin it up and polishing my plate and workin my bearings in graphite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTfFIetYPY
And a rundown 2 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGjK3P7JBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXtRSxm73g
Magluvin
Cool stuff on graphite!! Amazing.
I see what you see about the early Mylow videos. But they have gotten better and better. Time for replications as we all agree on that!! No real replications? Then that's that.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
I may hate myself in the morning but I just ordered 24 x ceramics (07043) and 4 x alnico horseshoes (07270) from acehardwareoutlet.com (international shipping)
Must know and see for myself if Tony & Joe are "wise guys".
Come on FedEX, I am waiting....
AZ
I'm sure you will feel better in the morning. Plus, you'll be able to hang a lot more art on your fridge. (Gives "magnetic refrigerator" a whole new meaning.)
But seriously--what can you prove?
Two possible outcomes: You get it running, or you don't. If you get it running, it proves it's possible, sure.
But what if you don't? Does that prove it's impossible?
No, of course not. And that's the rabbit hole trap. You can try and try and try, and as long as you believe somebody else has done it, your failures mean nothing, because you simply CANNOT control every possible variable, and it might just be that one thing you left out that makes the difference.
That's why empirical investigations must always be bolstered with solid theoretical underpinnings. Otherwise you'll just go further and further down the rabbit hole, and soon your refrigerator will be a dangerous thing to walk past, especially if you have pens in your pocket, or Canadian coins. The only explanation for Mylow's motor's success THAT IS CONSISTENT with a whole lot of what we do know pretty certainly about reality, is that the motor is driven by some other source of power, not the interactions between its rotor and stator magnets. And all it would take to prove, or disprove, this contention is to have a competent scientist or engineer examine a functioning Mylow motor. Of which, I understand, there are now several, with at least TEN different configurations of magnets that work.
well well well. I noticed Mylow remade his Motor On Bobs Disk
thats very very Impressive and whats even More Impresive is that its working with only 6 Magnets..... wow.
Now let me Guess Here the Sceptics are going to start Saying WELL NOW IT HAS TO START ON ITS OWN?????
lol too funny well Im pleased and satisfied with what Mylow has show.. Now its time for the FREE ENERGY COMMUNITY to stop Knocking him and PUSH HIS EFFORTS FORWARD and calling ALL PRESS & Media to SHOW THE WORLD and make this a GLOBAL Success
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 13, 2009, 10:05:20 PM
Cool stuff on graphite!! Amazing.
I see what you see about the early Mylow videos. But they have gotten better and better. Time for replications as we all agree on that!! No real replications? Then that's that.
Thanks,
Joe
Holy Moly! Spinning bearings up with air!
That may actually be the most dangerous thing I've yet seen on this site. You can get seriously injured doing that. I've seen a bearing spun up that way take off and go completely through both sides of the fuselage of a Mooney 201, and it is actually possible for the balls to come out and they will be like little bullets going off on tangents.
But I admit, it's fun to do.
Just have some damn good safety glasses, and be wearing them!.
hey, why not? i'm impressed http://www.youtube.com/my_videos
i phukd that up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-dH9zXu8EA
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 10:20:02 PM
well well well. I noticed Mylow remade his Motor On Bobs Disk
thats very very Impressive and whats even More Impresive is that its working with only 6 Magnets..... wow.
Now let me Guess Here the Sceptics are going to start Saying WELL NOW IT HAS TO START ON ITS OWN?????
lol too funny well Im pleased and satisfied with what Mylow has show.. Now its time for the FREE ENERGY COMMUNITY to stop Knocking him and PUSH HIS EFFORTS FORWARD and calling ALL PRESS & Media to SHOW THE WORLD and make this a GLOBAL Success
You're somewhat behind--in the latest video Tony releases it (finally!) in a position that would satisfy me as self-starting--if only it wasn't already trying to spin before that point.
And--
Uh-huh. And the very very first thing he should do is whip that sucker down to the engineering department at the University and have some grad students take a look at it. Or better yet, have that news conference, right away!! Live TV, reporters, the whole thing. Let's get serious here, after all, it's the most valuable item you could possibly set on your coffeetable.
@X: ROTFL!!
(And the fact that Tony is keeping the wheel from moving there at the end seems even clearer here.)
TinselKoala Save the Smoke for your own stack i dont want to catch what you have.
im behind Mylow 1,000,000 % and you my friend are yet to come up with any Sound real evidence that its a Fake
Anyone for that matter.
so quit the Fuss and put up the bucks Buddie =)
By the way TinselKoala
Your My Hero makes you feel better?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
You're somewhat behind--in the latest video Tony releases it (finally!) in a position that would satisfy me as self-starting--if only it wasn't already trying to spin before that point.
And--
Uh-huh. And the very very first thing he should do is whip that sucker down to the engineering department at the University and have some grad students take a look at it. Or better yet, have that news conference, right away!! Live TV, reporters, the whole thing. Let's get serious here, after all, it's the most valuable item you could possibly set on your coffeetable.
Explane only 3 Magnets Doing the same thing on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM
Remember Only 3 Not 6 Like Mylows haha ur too funny TK
IT WORKS and your HATEING THE FACT you didnt come up with it Face it your a BORN HATER
@TK....
keep up the good work bud!
without you there would nothing left to talk about on the forum...
and you have to admit, mylow is at least running the longest and most explicit hoax ever!(not)
but at least you're admitting that it's fun!
I'm just not sure why his engineer brother would be risking his credentials by participating in the hoax?
:o
not to infringe on any copyright laws but,
has anyone out there purchased sterling's instruction kit?
and if so, how complete is the spec?
meaning, is each and every part spec'd by size?
as well as the build implementation?
eg put the magnet here, north this way, south that way?
and is there a clear source for each part? eg where to purchase it?
just curious...
let me know....
dixie
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 10:05:08 PM
...... and in the current video Tony has to do some pretty fancy fingerwork there at the end to keep it from turning until Mylow turns it off. "clickclick You can let it go now Tony." But Tony seems reluctant to release it until Mylow insists...
I rewatched it and yes, there are 2 clicks.
So you think Mylow is switching off a hidden motor ?
Well, I think it is time to show it again on the glas table
and invite some other people in front of the camera.
Maybe Sterling can fly in again and check it himself now,
before Mylow attempts to dismantle it again ?
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Explane only 3 Magnets Doing the same thing on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM
Remember Only 3 Not 6 Like Mylows haha ur too funny TK
IT WORKS and your HATEING THE FACT you didnt come up with it Face it your a BORN HATER
Giga, you are a little off. In the first place, we know that shoving a wheel by hand, watching it SLOW DOWN, and then exclaiming "It Works" rings a little, well, false, not to say naiive. Plus, if you just look at my videos you will see magnet gates "working" even better than that one.
I have suggested to these experimenters that they do a simple control experiment, and you all know what it is already so I won't repeat it here. Well, maybe Giga doesn't, yet, but will soon, if it watches my vids.
You are right about one thing: I do hate it when people make claims that they cannot, or will not, back up with independently repeatable hard data. I do hate it when comments and entire threads disappear down the memory hole. I do hate it when people claim to have overunity devices when they don't.
And the first time I built a disk like the one in the video here, was so long ago I can't even remember. At least 40 years ago. So don't tell me about "IT WORKS and your HATEING THE FACT you didnt come up with it" because I (and lots of others reading this thread) have been testing devices just like that since 8-track tapes were hot.
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 10:32:56 PM
TinselKoala Save the Smoke for your own stack i dont want to catch what you have.
im behind Mylow 1,000,000 % and you my friend are yet to come up with any Sound real evidence that its a Fake
Anyone for that matter.
so quit the Fuss and put up the bucks Buddie =)
By the way TinselKoala
Your My Hero makes you feel better?
Don't worry, I won't be sharing any of my smoke with you. I run with a bit more, shall we say, erudite crowd.
You don't seem to have been paying attention. I have shown several things beyond doubt. The first is that there is substantial eddy current drag to be overcome in Mylow's configuration. Then I have pointed out that Mylow has claimed, by now, at least TEN different configurations using all kinds of magnets, that work, and that this is inconsistent with the many hours of research that many other people on this forum have done.
Then I have shown that it is relatively easy to fake, using any of several techniques, exactly what Mylow has shown. And I have tried to explain just how scientifically remarkable his device is, since it evidently violates conservation of momentum--and is the first device in the entire history of technology to do so. And I have pointed out how, in view of this, MyLOW's behaviour is not only inconsistent but positively, well, Simpsonish, to coin a word. Now you might think this evidence is unsound or unreal, while at the same time thinking Mylow's is sound and real. If so, there's no hope for you at all.
But there's one thing I don't understand: How is it possible to be 1,000,000 percent behind something, when you only have a 100 percent behind?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 10:57:25 PM
And the first time I built a disk like the one in the video here, was so long ago I can't even remember. At least 40 years ago.
So thats why it bothers you so Much huh? 40 years ago you couldnt get it too work so Now NO ONE CAN? hummm Intresting thanks for the info.
by the way Your right i am late on some videos but i will tell you this i rather be late than Wrong.
lets take for exsample the last video with Mylow and his Brother Tony. you said Tony stoped the Disk and it Keeps Moveing? Realy... i seen tony stop it CLEARLY and And Remove His had from the Disk.
also lets Just say this is all a Fake RIGHT? a Big old Fake.
Dude think about this realy realy well.... A Fake......
Have you not noticed that they are showing there Face?
giveing there real names? Meeting with others Talking openly about this around the world....
Come On man this would meen Ground braking this is not somthing Anyone would want to fake In this time of Dependance on OIL and Energy Lets Get REAL here TK
Sure sure we seen alot of Fakers COME AND go... and i meen GO Keyword is GO as in GONE after a few videos
havent seen that Yet huh.
TK you can say all you want your intitled to your Views.
im just Saying man This Beats all videos clames and fakes Out there
Like i said NO ONE has Proven it to be a fake.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 10:57:25 PM
because I (and lots of others reading this thread) have been testing devices just like that since 8-track tapes were hot.
Actually before 8-tracks ;D
@ all those physicists out there...
have we come to a conclusion on this yet? multiple choice!
1) so do you think the magnets are simply acting like batteries and slowly releasing the energy stored in them?
2) or is there a complex interaction of magnetic fields at play, having nothing to do with stored energy? (ugh, sounds like steorn)
3) both of the above
hmmm
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 11:06:37 PM
But there's one thing I don't understand: How is it possible to be 1,000,000 percent behind something, when you only have a 100 percent behind?
Now that's some BIGTIME Overunity ;D
Okay, ALL,
please calm down, especially TinselKoala,
Let us just wait and see, if Rick Friedrich and John Bedini
will get it to work, when they will put more magnets onto their discs.
It seems they are almost there .
Then we will know more.
Many thanks for your patience.
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 13, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
@TK....
keep up the good work bud!
without you there would nothing left to talk about on the forum...
and you have to admit, mylow is at least running the longest and most explicit hoax ever!(not)
but at least you're admitting that it's fun!
I'm just not sure why his engineer brother would be risking his credentials by participating in the hoax?
:o
Thanks, Dixie.
Hoax? No, I agree with Desertpile on this one. It doesn't rise to the level of hoax, yet. It's just a prank.
Have you seen "Tony's" engineering diploma or license? How do we know that he's an engineer with credentials to risk?
I don't think an engineer would state on camera "Two Minutes Eight Seconds" when he himself released the disk only 39 seconds previously. At least if he did, I wouldn't hire him.
Fun? I've had fun, and it didn't resemble debunking Mylow. It was a bit more intense, IIRC. Something about airplanes, and parachutes, and cactus, and beer, and pretty girls...it's all a little vague at this point, but I know that it was FUN...
I'm quite calm. You can see that I am responding to attacks here, can't you, Stefan? And I'm pointing out true things. True things.
Does Tony NOT look like he's restraining the disk?
Does Mylow NOT look like he has to keep the disk from turning after removing the stator mount in the Glass Table video?
Am I NOT allowed to respond to people who call me a hater or who say that I haven't shown any real proof of anything?
Am I NOT allowed to respond to those who ask me about the thousand dollars?
Why don't people address the issues instead of attacking me?
Im with the Admin lets wait and see.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 13, 2009, 11:13:59 PM
Okay, ALL,
please calm down, especially TinselKoala,
Let us just wait and see, if Rick Friedrich and John Bedini
will get it to work, when they will put more magnets onto their discs.
It seems they are almost there .
Then we will know more.
Many thanks for your patience.
If they can't get it to work, what will we know, that we don't already know?
And, perhaps you know, Stefan, if they are using a repeatable standardized starting method, so they can compare performance of different configurations in a systematic way? Or are they using "Mr. Hand?"
(And doesn't John Bedini already have some free energy systems??? What does he need Mylow's motor for?)
@TK...
I get you TK...don't worry....and I think Stefan does too...
I'd obviously like to get this thing into a room and run it for 2 weeks....but the replications will get us there....
besides, my backside is sore from sitting on the fence for so long...maybe I'll get off for a couple days, just for fun....then get back on....
i just wish we had a real spec to work with...
mylow is reticent on the science, and I don't think he will fullfill the needs of any scientists out there...i think for 2 reasons..
1) he is possibly working on the side with parties who are not 'sterling and sterling-related'....
2) he may not want all the life-hoopla that will come with it...
there are alot of jerks out there who have claimed he's an idiot, but it appears to me that there is a method to his approach, which is very intelligent and similar to what I would do in his position...it's all about control....
I believe everyone that is so sure it isn't working is looking at the effect of the magnets only.
If you consider the effect of the aluminum plate and understand the field retention and delay caused by the field moving through this plate,...... ah never mind, this involves thinking and it's much easier to just say it must be fake.
After 150 years, the pool of reasons why this can't work is very large and easy for any idiot to pull from, but very few can pull from the tiny pool of reasons why it could work.
I guess I need a smaller fishing rod then. Because that pool is mighty mighty tiny indeed.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
You're somewhat behind--in the latest video Tony releases it (finally!) in a position that would satisfy me as self-starting--if only it wasn't already trying to spin before that point.
And--
Uh-huh. And the very very first thing he should do is whip that sucker down to the engineering department at the University and have some grad students take a look at it. Or better yet, have that news conference, right away!! Live TV, reporters, the whole thing. Let's get serious here, after all, it's the most valuable item you could possibly set on your coffeetable.
TAKING THE MOTOR TO THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO WOULD LIKELY BE A SERIOUS ERROR
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 11:24:33 PM
If they can't get it to work, what will we know, that we don't already know?
And, perhaps you know, Stefan, if they are using a repeatable standardized starting method, so they can compare performance of different configurations in a systematic way? Or are they using "Mr. Hand?"
(And doesn't John Bedini already have some free energy systems??? What does he need Mylow's motor for?)
Hey Tinsel man,
slow down.
Surely they will also show itselfstarting, and accelerating.
Otherwise it will make no sense.
Cause you yourself don´t have the setup, it does not mean,
that somebody else will also not get it to work like Mylow...
Quote from: lumen on May 13, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
I believe everyone that is so sure it isn't working is looking at the effect of the magnets only.
If you consider the effect of the aluminum plate and understand the field retention and delay caused by the field moving through this plate,...... ah never mind, this involves thinking and it's much easier to just say it must be fake.
After 150 years, the pool of reasons why this can't work is very large and easy for any idiot to pull from, but very few can pull from the tiny pool of reasons why it could work.
And yet you have to rely on what others say because you either will not or cannot provide any technical foundation from your own intellect? I see where where you are not headed with you logic. If you are going to make comments you are expected to expand beyond the point of providing no foundation whatsoever. I am not saying that you are or may be incorrect about you assertions. It's just reasonable to ask that you make a case for your claims. This productive members of this forum are not obliged to explain themselves to anyone.
It's real, it's fake, it's real, it's fake. This can go on forever. Why do all the people who say the device works not understand that unless there is verification then logic MUST dictate that this "motor" is not valid.
Mylow posts video after video on Youtube to convince everyone that he is legit but all he has to do is show it to Sterling or PPMtester or anyone, this would clear everything up immed. Does he do this? No and it looks like he really never will.
I just went and saw the new Star Trek (great movie) but all I saw were fantastic special effects on the screen. Based on this do I believe it's for real-I hope not.
In the final analysis youtube videos mean nothing. Why is every member of this forum not screaming for verification? I would like to see him running the device on a driveway, in a park on a picnic table anywhere but this "highly controlled" setting where the device is being shown.
This has become such a simple build there should be a dozen replications in the next 24 hrs.His supporters keep saying that he does not have to proof anything that his videos do that for him , this is nuts. He must prove it and standby every claim he makes.
Let me ask every member of this forum who believes this to be a running motor , if you wanted to absolutely prove your point would you not immed. be showing the device running to every person, news agency and anyone else you could ? He makes no sense at all.
Hi Bill,
maybe José just wants to go on with his normal live and does
not want to stand in the spotlight !?
Maybe he is just telling and teaching us in his videos how it is done
and waits for some replicators to verify him and then
the replicators can go public ?
Could be a logical assumption.
Maybe he wants just to live on his normal day job live ?
He loves the spot light, that's why he is doing all these videos. He is basking in the limelight of confusion and misdirection. FBI, MIB's, Lawyers, NSA etc. If he did not love the drama he is creating he would simply allow the device to be examined and then he could (if he really wanted to) fade into the shadows. How may more videos 20 or 30 is there no end?
He says he has a motor that could change the world but refuses to show it to anyone.
Again there is no logic here. In a week or so this will all be history as there will most likely be no replications of this very simple device. Hopefully by then his army of supporters will realize the truth of the situation.
Mylow, according to Sterling you read all these posts what are you hiding?
@bill,
i can't speak for your motivations, and you can't speak for mylow's...what's so hard to understand or accept about that?
I gave up on mylow following the rules of science and project management about 2 months ago.....
who cares? really....
it's 50% entertainment, and 50% world-saving-technology...
mylow will get there in his own mysterious ways...or would you prefer that we scare him away with our urgent requests to get into a secure lab? maybe then he'll disappear....
do you want him to disappear? I don't...
this thing will evolve....it's all mushy mushy, but let this flower grow how it wants to for a while....
eventually, it will start walking and talking like a duck...
sorry for sounding so fudgy-liberal-artsy-fartsy!
:-*
Quote from: X00013..
@ X00013 : i know you're great at this stuff . .a request if you would.
Based on the know dimension of CB65 - this webpage
http://magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/BLOCKSceramic.html
would it be possible to work up a fairly accurate spec on the spacing we see in the 6 rotor set of the last video. . Mylow says a couple of times in teh video the spacing varies but does not as usual give accurate spec .. drives me nuts ..
This setup is easy enough to replicate with a fairly good precision if your spacing measure is good.
We have an accurate reference point(cb65's dimensions ) in the snapshot of his last disk setup .. can we extrapolate exact spacing with that ?
i would ask Mylow for the measure but i'm thinking he will just not answer me as usual.
i should be able to test that 6 rotor config with his exact same magnets on my disk by tomorrow or soon i hope..
If you could do the measure - that would be great.
Thanks
Q
im not here to make beleavers im just here to say i think it works. and you all that think it dont Prove it?
thats why im here to Know why you dont think it works and why you think it does
@queue...
do you have the exact same rotor and stator magnets as mylow in his latest vid?
ps: there are some photos up now on peswiki that might help you...
@queue...
http://pesn.com/2009/05/13/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
look at the pictures at the bottom for the spacing, no?
Hang in thereTinselKoala, I enjoy your posts and you bring a lot of credability to the forum.
I have also built , seen many devices over the years ...some even fooled engineers and a couple of times in the first instance myself. Sadly none ever checked out.
Although the video's seem convincing the stories that go with this are unbelievable.
Without third party validation (and I dont mean Sterling who is too involved) we have nothing here.
The last device I went to validate with three other specialists (we flew from all over the world) was a fake. It fooled everyone for a while but in the end it was another fake. The inventor did such a good job tht in one example we had to get him to show us how he did the trick...this is after we had a full confession out of him it was a fake.
I have even seen a device appear to self start and run for 12 minutes.
Perhaps he can send this latest device back to Sterling and "Bob" (i think many of us know who Bob is by the craftmanship)
In this case no thrid part validation...no deal.
Do we want to see it work...yes we do. However time is running out.
To all the fellow skeptics and people who follow scientific process...do not let your standards drop. Keep yourself in check and continue to ask questions.
Be polite about it, which is more than I can say for the behaviour of the true believers who want us all burnt at the stake.
I am being flammed in a couple of other forums for asking questions and pointing out the obvious. I will continue. (well I am being moderated and some of my posts in the other forums are being modified)
I guess the only annoying thing to this rather sad and amusing saga is how we are built up by Sterling...the latest that an independent validation has been achieved...then of course it hadnt and yesterday the next video didnt come for many hours..and when it did it raises more questions than it answered.
Kind Regard
Mark
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 14, 2009, 12:49:42 AM
@queue...
http://pesn.com/2009/05/13/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
look at the pictures at the bottom for the spacing, no?
Thanks Dixe ..
did not see those pics until now . .i guess they will do
i would like to have the measures to the millimeter if possible.
If my motor works i will be very happy - if it doesn't.. i will at least know it was an accurate replica.
6 rotors should be easy enough to copy format.. i can almost hold my ruler up to the screen 2 get spacing with those pics.
Cool
Thanks
"My preliminary questions would be:
What is that clear "click" at 08:39 the moment Tony stops the disc
Why is Tony reluctant to let go off the disc at 08:44?
Why does the disc move after Tony releases his grip at 08:45 and immediately grips it again in reaction?
What is Tony whispering at 08:48?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it briefly at 08:50?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it at 08:51?
And finally: Why is his hand reactively moving back at 08:52 to stop the wheel again?"
Did anybody else catch this???
If you could all see me now, you'd swear that I was a triplet with mylow and tony, just a scratching the top of my head...
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 13, 2009, 09:59:32 PM
Why is Tony reluctant to let go off the disc at 08:44?
Why does the disc move after Tony releases his grip at 08:45 and immediately grips it again in reaction?
What is Tony whispering at 08:48?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it briefly at 08:50?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it at 08:51?
And finally: Why is his hand reactively moving back at 08:52 to stop the wheel again?
While all this time the rotor magnets are nowhere near the stator assembly?
The indication would be that the disk is propelled by another method other than the magnet interactions.
Look also @ 7:16 after Tony stops the disk and then advances it back towards the stator. It looks much more like he's grasping it and then letting it spin through his fingers so-as to retard the motion rather than advancing the disk.
Not definitive proof it's a fake, but casts serious doubt - enough to still consider it a hoax until PROVEN otherwise.
And now he's got a 10th? motor working with yet different magnets and only 6 of them this time? ???
And of course, the only true definitive proof is validation and replication from a reputable third party.
And yes, that's how science works - PROOF REQUIRED - not just a utube video.
"The indication would be that the disk is propelled by another method other than the magnet interactions."
Agreed, I was under the impression that well mylow was in Virginia there was witnesses that validated his motor?
LOL WOW you all crack me up So what is it next? they have a mouse on a wheel away from view? with stings attached Haha too funny.
so whats the new source of Power Come on let me hear it?
WHAT You dont know? your just guessing wow...
@Giga
I've put my neck out more then once backing up mylow. I suggest you have another look at the video. I understand its all just ASSumptions, but I'm just trying to have a none bias opinion.
Have a closer look at the video, is all...
It's not level, it turns a little on it's own (as indicated in the on-screen comments). The first few seconds show a stationary disk with no hands on it. Noises in the background to explain rotation have to date included car noises, a radiator steam valve, and various clangs and thumps. Another believable Mylow video, but of course videos are still all there is. On a positive note, he's now shown everything you need to know to build what's shown in the video. Anyone out there have those bars/ stators? TK is going to give it a shot.
repost
Quote from: queue on May 14, 2009, 01:01:12 AM
Thanks Dixe ..
did not see those pics until now . .i guess they will do
i would like to have the measures to the millimeter if possible.
If my motor works i will be very happy - if it doesn't.. i will at least know it was an accurate replica.
6 rotors should be easy enough to copy format.. i can almost hold my ruler up to the screen 2 get spacing with those pics.
Cool
Thanks
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From what I am reading from notes, the spacing between the pole faces on the inner circumference of the stator magnet array should be about 0.57 to 0.70 X the magnet width and be slightly deviated by equal increments. throughout the array in a progressive fashion starting with the factor of 0.57. This then repeats in each subsequent array.
i did countless times even placed it in my video editing software and Cue it at the Point where Tony releases it and even places it in front of Stator WHAT YOU ALL ARE Failing to realise is that TONY is Not Mylow and it seems More to me like tony had No clue what he was doing and was just trying to do what His Brother does in doing so It looked Fake/Pre made what ever you all want to call it.. when Mylow said GO AHEAD TONY STOP IT..... seems like Tony was a little shocked and nervus his brother wanted him to do so.. Since they were timing it and all......
OHHH cant cant forget ALL THE NAY SAYERS on Youtube watching there every little Move Geez i would be nervose as well...
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 12:07:40 AM
It's real, it's fake, it's real, it's fake. This can go on forever. Why do all the people who say the device works not understand that unless there is verification then logic MUST dictate that this "motor" is not valid.
Mylow posts video after video on Youtube to convince everyone that he is legit but all he has to do is show it to Sterling or PPMtester or anyone, this would clear everything up immed. Does he do this? No and it looks like he really never will.
I just went and saw the new Star Trek (great movie) but all I saw were fantastic special effects on the screen. Based on this do I believe it's for real-I hope not.
In the final analysis youtube videos mean nothing. Why is every member of this forum not screaming for verification? I would like to see him running the device on a driveway, in a park on a picnic table anywhere but this "highly controlled" setting where the device is being shown.
This has become such a simple build there should be a dozen replications in the next 24 hrs.His supporters keep saying that he does not have to proof anything that his videos do that for him , this is nuts. He must prove it and standby every claim he makes.
Let me ask every member of this forum who believes this to be a running motor , if you wanted to absolutely prove your point would you not immed. be showing the device running to every person, news agency and anyone else you could ? He makes no sense at all.
Bill, it appears that some people are rather naive when it comes to the practical mechanics of dissemination. Those of us who have an understanding of these mechanics realize that ya just don't run around showing it to everyone.
I have watched people completely diesect Howards functioning motors, finding no trickery whatsoever and still refuse to believe. I have also attended seminars. In one such seminar which was held back in the beginning about thirty years ago I watched two scientists who were there on the premise of objective evaluation purposely ignore the functional device and immediately proceed to debunk it for their own personal gain. Now, I realize that this sort of behavior can be prevented and extraordinary efforts will be made to do so this time around.
Mylow is having a difficult time trusting people. This is certainly understandable, given lessons learned from history. Presently there may be some serious doubt as to the intentions of the present supporting faction and it has become even more so relevant to exercise caution.
And on an ending note: Mylow is not obliged to prove ANYTHING to ANYBODY at this point, given that he is not asking for anything whatsoever. He is merely presenting his findings for those to observe and is not subservient to the whims of the academic community. It's sort of like 'here it is, for what it worth to you, take it or leave it' He is not your keeper and should not have to hold your hand on the way to school.
What may be clouding the issue of validity, credibility and raising a level of suspicion is the irresponsible attempts by a group to capitalize on this project and infer that they in fact have his approval, complete cooperation and endorsement. I do not think that they have his approval, complete cooperation or endorsement and furthermore and I do not think that he agrees with their motives tactics or actions. I have VERY good reason to think this. It appears that Mylow is merely a victim of vulturistic commercial aggression which may be as much of an aggravation as any MIB encounter.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1066
Gee once again Sterling "reports" something as having been done when there is no evidence that it has. The video I saw showed 3 magnets on a platter that spun when pushed by hand. Not exactly a breakthrough here. This type of irresponsible reporting is damaging the energy community in my opinion. Does any one else see this? I wish Stefan were involved in this instead of Sterling because I trust Stefan.
Bill
@ Pirate88179 well you said a Mouth full 3 Magnets and it acted just like mylows Cant wait to see More magnets On it...
Cheers mate
Pirate, your far from being alone of thinking this...
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Explane only 3 Magnets Doing the same thing on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM
Remember Only 3 Not 6 Like Mylows haha ur too funny TK
IT WORKS and your HATEING THE FACT you didnt come up with it Face it your a BORN HATER
Although I commend the effort, for the life of me I cannot understand how you can expect the same results when the disc is much smaller and both stator and rotor magnets are not the same.
Puzzling....
Having said that, my disc is an old frying pan lid and I still have a huge aluminium UFO from a terrace heater as a backup.
Hmm... Tralala.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 14, 2009, 03:58:09 AM
Gee once again Sterling "reports" something as having been done when there is no evidence that it has. The video I saw showed 3 magnets on a platter that spun when pushed by hand. Not exactly a breakthrough here. This type of irresponsible reporting is damaging the energy community in my opinion. Does any one else see this? I wish Stefan were involved in this instead of Sterling because I trust Stefan.
Bill
Where is this report. I can't find it. it's 459 am and my brain hurts. Please help me. 532 AM - Oh, that's ok I found it.
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
lets take for exsample the last video with Mylow and his Brother Tony. you said Tony stoped the Disk and it Keeps Moveing? Realy... i seen tony stop it CLEARLY and And Remove His had from the Disk.
Think of it as the Zapruder tape.
I carefully studied the video and have some questions.
What is that clear "click" at 08:39 the moment Tony stops the disc
Why is Tony reluctant to let go off the disc at 08:44?
Why does the disc move after Tony releases his grip at 08:45 and immediately grips it again in reaction?
What is Tony whispering at 08:48?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it briefly at 08:50?
Why does the wheel move again when Tony releases it at 08:51?
And finally: Why is his hand reactively moving back at 08:52 to stop the wheel again?
While all this time the rotor magnets are nowhere near the stator assembly?Giga, go back and verify for yourself. Put on a headset and listen carefully.
And watch watch watch what the disc does.
It has a life of its own.
Too late to cancel my magnet order unfortunatly....
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 05:00:11 AM
Where is this report. I can't find it. it's 459 am and my brain hurts. Please help me.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/13/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 05:00:11 AM
Where is this report. I can't find it. it's 459 am and my brain hurts. Please help me.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1066 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1066)
This was posted by NYCTuber just a little above your post. It was written by Sterling.
Bill
John Bendini says:
"I have basically seen what I want to see. "Mylow has my vote"."
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/109
Sterling Allen gets 1/3 of the proceeds?
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 12:29:24 AM
He loves the spot light, that's why he is doing all these videos. He is basking in the limelight of confusion and misdirection. FBI, MIB's, Lawyers, NSA etc. If he did not love the drama he is creating he would simply allow the device to be examined and then he could (if he really wanted to) fade into the shadows. How may more videos 20 or 30 is there no end?
He says he has a motor that could change the world but refuses to show it to anyone.
Again there is no logic here. In a week or so this will all be history as there will most likely be no replications of this very simple device. Hopefully by then his army of supporters will realize the truth of the situation.
Mylow, according to Sterling you read all these posts what are you hiding?
THESE SKEPTICS ARE REALLY HILARIOUS.
ON 4TH OF APRIL I POSTED A MESSAGE HERE (BELOW) YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY
DECIDED THAT IT WAS A FAKE.
AND I MUST SAY THAT IT IS THE EASIEST THING TO SHOUT "FAKE FAKE FAKE"
TO ANYTHING IN THIS FORUM.
I SAY THE ONES THAT ARE ON THIS EASY PATH WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
WHAT IT IS TO BE IN THE POSITION OF MYLOW. (ALTERNATIVELY THEY ARE MIB
THAT REPRESENT THE OIL INDUSTRY. READ BELOW)
04/04/09
It is pretty clear to me that there are MIB's right here on this very forum.
They may be disguised as high ranked or low ranked members or both. These are not necessarily
government people but simply people that are employed by OIL companies.
They either discourage members from replicating or mislead them by giving
false information.
Mylow has been a sincere simple guy from the beginning.
You can sense that in his voice and willingness to help other replicators.
What I am saying goes for the rest of the other otherwise useful threads here.
Their tactics (tools) are :
Cynicism,
Scientific mumbo jumbo
Bring more questions into minds. Mix thoughts.
Discourage.
Give falsified information to few courageous replicator in all threads
Take down
When you take a look at the threads here they all have the same pattern.
It starts with great enthusiasm, it takes some advancements, gets pounded down by sceptics
and cynics, replicators are discouraged and finally energy of the thread is taken to 0.
Stefan you should ban any discouraging, cynic or negative comments on all the threads.
Any attempt to falsified information should be watched closely.
This forum gets its power from bringing together many different people with different backgrounds
and different abilities and resources. If you want this to work you should STOP ALL NEGATIVITY
IN THIS FORUM IN ANY FORM as people no matter how they may be different have things in common.
One of them is people will get discouraged easily when they read any kind of negative comment.
Why? Because there are the following difficulties :
. Life itself is already difficult. People use up most of their energy and time
on normal life issues and problems.
. A free energy project takes time energy and hard earned money.
. There are many threads and maybe tomorrows thread could be easier and cheaper to deal with.
Some of you are great scientists. You need to couple that with exercises that would grow your intuition to see the backstage
of things and make life easier for yourselves in all aspects.
Piece,
Thanks, Bill, for your "voice of reason". It doesn't happen frequently, especially not on the site and thread like this....
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 12:29:24 AM
He loves the spot light, that's why he is doing all these videos. He is basking in the limelight of confusion and misdirection. FBI, MIB's, Lawyers, NSA etc. If he did not love the drama he is creating he would simply allow the device to be examined and then he could (if he really wanted to) fade into the shadows. How may more videos 20 or 30 is there no end?
Well, some of us knows from the beginning. It is not necessary to be a scientist (or having an "orthodox" education) to understand what is going on. Just a little of good ol' common sense, and a grasp for technology, physics....
I said early in this thread that ML is just seeking attention (actually, I used more "profound" words).... ;D
I guess this thing will go on as long as he wants... Producing questionable videos is not that hard.... What matters is how many blind followers could he get without ANY KIND Of SOLID PROOF....
That's fascinating.
He carefully avoids comments (mostly). Whenever he opened his mouth discussing technology, he got caught (for instance, a claim that his motor magnets get cold for some 13 degrees (!)(that was, of course, just a lie...Anyone with at least a basic physics knowledge knows it...)). Apparently, ML noticed objections and he never repeat that claim again....
If he wanted to , he would show his PMM to anyone credible (!) in the past. That would clear up things in a few hours (or days)... Months ago...
Quote
He says he has a motor that could change the world but refuses to show it to anyone.
Again there is no logic here. In a week or so this will all be history as there will most likely be no replications of this very simple device. Hopefully by then his army of supporters will realize the truth of the situation.
Mylow, according to Sterling you read all these posts what are you hiding?
I wouldn't be so sure about it will be "all over in a week or so"...
I made a bet early on (that this thread will not live as long as AQ's.... )
How things are developing lately, It seems I'll loose that bet....
I don't know what his main supporters plans are (beside that they're all mostly delusional), and I don't really care....
It's beyond my understanding what drives people to think this may be real (MyLow concept of a magnetic motor is one of the most common, tested, totally "chewed" up - but, still, nonworking magnetic concepts
of all times....)
I think one of these days, MyLow will say: "It was all just a joke!"
I hope so, I like good jokes...
Or, (better, but most unlikely), one of the respectful replicators will say - People, it really works!!!
Cheers!
P.S.
Oh, best regards to TinselKoala! I admire your persistence and preparedness to help (to mostly ungrateful people)...
Hat off to you!
P.S.II.
Giga, give my best wishes to MyLow! ;D
Quote from: devrimogun on May 14, 2009, 06:18:10 AM
THESE SKEPTICS ARE REALLY HILARIOUS.
ON 4TH OF APRIL I POSTED A MESSAGE HERE (BELOW) YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY
DECIDED THAT IT WAS A FAKE.
AND I MUST SAY THAT IT IS THE EASIEST THING TO SHOUT "FAKE FAKE FAKE"
TO ANYTHING IN THIS FORUM.
I SAY THE ONES THAT ARE ON THIS EASY PATH WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
WHAT IT IS TO BE IN THE POSITION OF MYLOW. (ALTERNATIVELY THEY ARE MIB
THAT REPRESENT THE OIL INDUSTRY. READ BELOW)
04/04/09
It is pretty clear to me that there are MIB's right here on this very forum.
They may be disguised as high ranked or low ranked members or both. These are not necessarily
government people but simply people that are employed by OIL companies.
They either discourage members from replicating or mislead them by giving
false information.
Mylow has been a sincere simple guy from the beginning.
You can sense that in his voice and willingness to help other replicators.
What I am saying goes for the rest of the other otherwise useful threads here.
Their tactics (tools) are :
Cynicism,
Scientific mumbo jumbo
Bring more questions into minds. Mix thoughts.
Discourage.
Give falsified information to few courageous replicator in all threads
Take down
When you take a look at the threads here they all have the same pattern.
It starts with great enthusiasm, it takes some advancements, gets pounded down by sceptics
and cynics, replicators are discouraged and finally energy of the thread is taken to 0.
Stefan you should ban any discouraging, cynic or negative comments on all the threads.
Any attempt to falsified information should be watched closely.
This forum gets its power from bringing together many different people with different backgrounds
and different abilities and resources. If you want this to work you should STOP ALL NEGATIVITY
IN THIS FORUM IN ANY FORM as people no matter how they may be different have things in common.
One of them is people will get discouraged easily when they read any kind of negative comment.
Why? Because there are the following difficulties :
. Life itself is already difficult. People use up most of their energy and time
on normal life issues and problems.
. A free energy project takes time energy and hard earned money.
. There are many threads and maybe tomorrows thread could be easier and cheaper to deal with.
Some of you are great scientists. You need to couple that with exercises that would grow your intuition to see the backstage
of things and make life easier for yourselves in all aspects.
Piece,
I for one agree with this wholeheartedly. People who are obviously shills whether they are paid or volunteers should be removed, along with their pointless comments. It is one thing to be a skeptic who presents a realistic argument but those who resolve to use pure inflammatory tone without any foundation whatsoever need to get the boot right up their rear ends.
How ever many doubts I have after seeing that last video, I will wait with final judgement until I have tested myself and encourage others to do the same. Easy and relatively cheap to test.
What could make this work is the correct stator arrangement coupled with an aluminum disc of sufficient thickness (at least rotor gap size??) to allow the field to "drag" its heels sufficiently and get the stator past the sticky point.
I hope.
Did a little feel for test using 5 out 6 bars and two dc motor magnets.One of the 6 bar broke when it smashed together but I will get more of the bars today. The only way it could produce movement is if it pushes the bars away with greater force then it is attracted to the bars as a collective group or visa versa. I can only imagine how that would work with the stator offset but it should be easy to measure with a string and a weight to measure the push pull and to see if there is a difference between them.Even a slight difference above what would be needed to stop the wheel when it encounters the stator magnets would be enough to keep the motion going.
I started pulling a starter motor apart from an old dodge six cylinder to see if it can be modified with this magnetic system to drive it forward later if the weighing of the push pull prove fruitful.
Personally I dont care about comments other then those that produce results but there is nothing wrong with colorful arguing as long it's equally excepted in both directions. People will always disagree even to the point of being silly. Im sure there were some people who believed light bulbs were black magic once upon a time and the light they gave off was the mind control used by the devil himself. Entertaining as that is still not my problem nor will I except as being mine. You'll waste as much time arguing over sensor ship as you would having to deal with the entertainment of the comments you wish to sensor out. Such is the way the world wobbles. Still not my problem though. I wont be offended if you block me. It will just leave that much more time to do useful work.
If this design will at best produce a better wind generator to work in lower wind conditions that is enough for it to be worth what ever it takes to make it work even if it is feeble and not able to produce enough output to run anything of use on it's own.
This is real exciting stuff...i will be building my replication as soon as someone else confirms it..and when i do build my working model...i am more then willing to donate money directly to MYLOW :)
A remark, here is the acceleration analysis of the last Mylow video and is brother.
The yellow is an area where they adjust the stator height ... this does not seem to change the acceleration curve ...
an explanation? ...Perhaps it had only a minimal effect on the acceleration of the engine...
LightRider
Edit: Add graph in RPM.
Will magnet manufacturers rejoice ???
How long can this keep going without successful replication's
cat
Quote from: spinner on May 14, 2009, 07:35:11 AM
Shills like...? Pointless comments like... - yours?
You're an ignorant newbee here. You joined just yesterday, and already feel like you can start a witch-hunt to ban other people?
Joker.
FYI, the rate of the request for banning other members is inversely proportional to the real knowledge certain member has.
This is a long known fact.
Peter O Toole said in "Lawrence of Arabia": "Nothing is written".
In the same spirit you could say: "Nothing can be proven on the Internet"
You cannot prove anything either way no matter how convincing. Videos & Documents can be forged, individuals can hide behind whatever alias they so choose and maybe even have "split" personalities and multiple handles, forever arguing with themselves for attention.
You cannot let it get to you, this is the internet.
Go real world and see what really happens with this setup.
Catch-22 is that you nor I cannot prove any outcome neither when we post it on the internet. Funny business this internet. Next try the unbiased media and scientific community... Another chapter in altering reality for sure...
AZ
Quote from: powercat on May 14, 2009, 07:45:25 AM
Will magnet manufacturers rejoice ???
How long can this keep going without successful replication's
cat
I tell you what, the moment this "turns" before my own eyes I am long on the major magnet producers. Bigtime.
1. Why doesnt Mylow return the now working disk to Sterling (overnight air)
2. Why doesnt Mylow use the micrometer someone supplied to measure the gaps between the rotor bar magnets? Many people have pleaded for this.
3. How is it that Mylow can get 9 or 10 variations going and everyone else fails.
As for some of the Newbies here attacking other mebers...at least you have the right to do that here and I defend your right to express an opinion. However keep it non personal
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: LightRider on May 14, 2009, 07:37:14 AM
A remark, here is the acceleration analysis of the last Mylow video and is brother.
The yellow is an area where they adjust the stator height ... this does not seem to change the acceleration curve ...
an explanation?
LightRider
BTW, thanks LightRider for your excellent graphs! They're telling the truth about ML's videos.
If the yellow area is really representing the stator adjustment sequence, than your graph shows, that magnets in ML's "motor" are OBVIOUSLY NOT the main source of motion....
Cheers!
Quote from: spinner on May 14, 2009, 07:35:11 AM
Shills like...? Pointless comments like... - yours?
You're an ignorant newbee here. You joined just yesterday, and already feel like you can start a witch-hunt to ban other people?
Joker.
FYI, the rate of the request for banning other members is inversely proportional to the real knowledge certain member has.
This is a long known fact.
You simply made no argument for your point whatsoever. However, you did start out saying a few words but it was obvious immediately that the reason that you did not continue was that you could not continue because the three incorrect buzzwords that you started out with were all that you had to offer.
As for being a newbie here that true. However, member status is determined by the quantity of postings and not the quality. I have been at this for a much longer period of time than yourself and I think that I may have some merit by my contributions. What have you contributed? Additionally I generally do not present information in the form of posts. I present it in the form or private emails to forum members. I am hunting for the doers and not the pseudo scientific sociopaths. I actually have some very useful information to convey to the right people. However I do not want the 'wrong' people becoming aware of it. I think this likely includes yourself.
Quote from: spinner on May 14, 2009, 07:49:01 AM
BTW, thanks LightRider for your excellent graphs! They're telling the truth about ML's videos.
If the yellow area is really representing the stator adjustment sequence, than your graph shows, that magnets in ML's "motor" are OBVIOUSLY NOT the main source of motion....
Cheers!
"What a fantastic conclusion?
Congratulations."You see? I used the cynicism tool that some of you guys who look
like simple skeptics (actually not)
I wish I had all day and turn your own weapons to you like this
and you will see how easy it is to bring down any comment
no matter how strong it maybe.
Quote from: markdansie on May 14, 2009, 07:48:32 AM
well appart from being banned from any Mylow yahoo groups..and having my posts rejected from the NEC (which I am a member) by Sterling , I thank the moderator here for my right to speak. PS I have been through this before where I have been excumunicated for not pledging my full alegence)
1. Why doesnt Mylow return the now working disk to Sterling (overnight air)
2. Why doesnt Mylow use the micrometer someone supplied to measure the gaps between the rotor bar magnets? Many people have pleaded for this.
3. How is it that Mylow can get 9 or 10 variations going and everyone else fails.
As for some of the Newbies here attacking other mebers...at least you have the right to do that here and I defend your right to express an opinion. However this same right has not been excercised on the Mylow sites managed by Sterling. Go figure.
Kind Regards
Mark
Now, this is a proper approach and the addressed issues are of legitimate merit.
To anser some of your questions:
1) The reason why Mylow does not return the disk yet:
A. He is simply not finished with it.
B. He may not feel obliged to return it in working order because he is leary of some intentions and behaviors exhibited.
C. He wants to get his machine verified by a source other than Sterling.
2) Why hasn't he used the micrometer?
A. He does not yet know how
B. More likely he has been pressured not to do so in order to protect the design parameters such to make the plans more marketable by Sterling. This is something that Mylow has not agreed to nor does he approve of.
3) How is it that Mylow can get nine or ten variations going and nobody else can?
A. First of all, he has not done nine or ten variations.
B. I have viewed many of these attempts and the builders are using totally different materials. Most do not seem to understand nor respect that subtle changes in mechanical parameters can greatly effect functionality.
C. Most of the builder are attempting 'their own' versions without an understanding of the basic operating theory which extremely few people know anything about. Mylow himself does not know some of the final solutions that exist.
We are waiting to see how he does before passing this torch. Mylow just happened to hit on a working design by the element of trial and error coupled with pure faith somehow. He has also developed some of his understanding by many long hours of simple observation. Additionally many of the people just recently received their materials and have not so much as started yet.
You speak of being banned by Sterling. I will be banned too. I have written to him about some of his practices that we find objection to. I was met with the very strong inference that he could cause me trouble if I did not lay off. He even interferred with me contacting Mylow for a long time. It wasn't until Mylow's visit to Blacksburg that he was able to get the real heads up on matters. He had a feeling before but his worries about Sterling were confirmed once he visited.
Questions?
Kind Regards,
Al Witherspoon
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:35:23 AM
You speak of being banned by Sterling. I will be banned too. I have written to him about some of his practices that we find objection to. I was met with the very strong inference that he could cause me trouble if I did not lay off. He even interferred with me contacting Mylow for a long time. It wasn't until Mylow's visit to Blacksburg that he was able to get the real heads up on matters. He had a feeling before but his worries about Sterling were confirmed once he visited.
Questions?
Kind Regards,
Al Witherspoon
This explains a lot. Thanks, Al.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:35:23 AM
Now, this is a proper approach and the addressed issues are of legitimate merit.
To anser some of your questions:
1) The reason why Mylow does not return the disk yet:
A. He is simply not finished with it.
B. He may not feel obliged to return it in working order because he is leary of some intentions and behaviors exhibited.
C. He wants to get his machine verified by a source other than Sterling.
2) Why hasn't he used the micrometer?
A. He does not yet know how
B. More likely he has been pressured not to do so in order to protect the design parameters such to make the plans more marketable by Sterling. This is something that Mylow has not agreed to nor does he approve of.
3) How is it that Mylow can get nine or ten variations going and nobody else can?
A. First of all, he has not done nine or ten variations.
B. I have viewed many of these attempts and the builders are using totally different materials. Most do not seem to understand nor respect that subtle changes in mechanical parameters can greatly effect functionality.
C. Most of the builder are attempting 'their own' versions without an understanding of the basic operating theory which extremely few people know anything about. Mylow himself does not know some of the final solutions that exist.
We are waiting to see how he does before passing this torch. Mylow just happened to hit on a working design by the element of trial and error coupled with pure faith somehow. He has also developed some of his understanding by many long hours of simple observation. Additionally many of the people just recently received their materials and have not so much as started yet.
You speak of being banned by Sterling. I will be banned too. I have written to him about some of his practices that we find objection to. I was met with the very strong inference that he could cause me trouble if I did not lay off. He even interferred with me contacting Mylow for a long time. It wasn't until Mylow's visit to Blacksburg that he was able to get the real heads up on matters. He had a feeling before but his worries about Sterling were confirmed once he visited.
Questions?
Kind Regards,
Al Witherspoon
Well said Al.
I especially support your statement :
B. I have viewed many of these attempts and the builders are using totally different materials. Most do not seem to understand nor respect that subtle changes in mechanical parameters can greatly effect functionality.
New vid, magnet spacing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4KlDpPVnc&feature=channel_page
He shouldn't be so frustrated. He should have a strong will power to defeat all the negative crap and never give in, that's when someone will shine the most. What mylow doesn't understand is that all these negative spreading people are not in it to build the thing, it's the quiet people that are not heard who are building it. So why even waste time on getting frustrated on people that are trying to get you down. When everyone has this thing running in their homes they will still be at it, that's how closed minded they are that is if they are not paid to do their negative spreading. But like everything else they will rot away eventually.
Wow he is really fired up.
Well maybe he will continue after someone gets one going and puts a replica vid up for themselves. Then maybe others can help him out explaining or answering some of the questions he doesn't have answer for.
The need to set each rotor magnet in the rotor by feel makes perfect sense since magnets are not perfect clones.Keeping them close enough to not effect the function of the stator is the maximum gap allowance which he says is equal to or less then the stator magnets gap/spacing not forgetting the small gap which exists looking through the stators from the side where the arches cross and the magnets terminate. Aside from minor adjustments that does not sound too hard to follow.
I sincerely think that this last MyLow's video is NOT faked!
Through all the video, "motor" behaves like it is expected.
I particularly like the section, where rotor magnets are brought to a preferable position (just after the sticky), then rotor starts to move and moments later, ML stops it by hand - apparently to "make a point".
?!?
I like educational videos! Especially the YT science!
Hmm, why Mylow goes ballistic? Forget the skeptics, what matters is that he has a perpetual magnetic motor.
No offence!
P.S. What some of you experts here call "negativity", most of the people worldwide would call "realism".
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:15:57 AM
New vid, magnet spacing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4KlDpPVnc&feature=channel_page
Ooops.
Watch @ 3:50.
The 'motor' will not make a full revolution after 'starting' whether he stops it with his hand or not - 1/2 a revolution at best.
@billmehess, TK etc...
well, i guess you guys won the cardgame again...pissed him off with your idiotic negativity...refuse to let the boy grow!
hope you're happy.....
if you're not man enough to shut up, you're not a man I guess...
doesn't the scientific method include a clause about NOT coming to judgements before testing is concluded?
and why is it, you think you own the direction of his behaviour? does the scientific method suggest that garage tinkerers should be dictated to?
oh, freedom of speech on the thread...blah blah blah.....your people skills are idiotic and infantile...
dixie
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 14, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
@billmehess, TK etc...
well, i guess you guys won the cardgame again...pissed him off with your idiotic negativity...refuse to let the boy grow!
hope you're happy.....
if you're not man enough to shut up, you're not a man I guess...
doesn't the scientific method include a clause about NOT coming to judgements before testing is concluded?
and why is it, you think you own the direction of his behaviour? does the scientific method suggest that garage tinkerers should be dictated to?
oh, freedom of speech on the thread...blah blah blah.....your people skills are idiotic and infantile...
dixie
i second that dixie well said
Another video from Rick Friedrich and JohnBedini:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUBc__2ScQ
Please ALL,
let us just be patient and wait now for
the replications and don´t hit on Mylow.
He did a good job on explaning the tutorial videos
with all the work he has put into it.
We will just wait now and see, if the replications will
just also get it going to work .
I will delete over here too negative comments and
offtopic comments.
Regards, Stefan.
Mylow ...
leave negative feedback aside...
Just continue your great job ... it's that simple ;)
LightRider
If I answered an add in the newspaper for a car for sale and when I called the selling party he said " yes it's for sale. It runs great , never had a problem. It has a blue book value of $10,000 and I am selling it for $50.00"
My reply, "That's great when can I come over and see it?
His reply, " Well I can't let you see it, just accept what I am saying, I know this sounds to good to be true but believe me it's true, just accept what I'm telling you"
My reply- I hang up.
Would any of you do anything less?
Those of you who call TK or myself or anyone else names we simply have the nerve to question and you don't seem to understand that just like you we want to believe that it is real. None of us work for the oil companies, were on this site because we to are looking for new technologies even though these technologies may be considered "Fringe' by the scientific communities.
Mylow rants and raves are all for naught. As far as bringing up the scientific method one of the major components is peer group verification. As for being idiotic and infantile I am sorry you have felt the need to lower yourself to that level.
Are there no voices of reason left? Do we simply accept what has been presented to us ONLY on a youtube video? Ask yourself for something this important, this revolutionary, this world changing, why does not Jose or Mylow simply allow it to be validated? WHY? If it's tue it will stand on it's own merit and we all will give him the honor he would be due.
Quote from: capthook on May 14, 2009, 11:29:43 AM
Ooops.
Watch @ 3:50.
The 'motor' will not make a full revolution after 'starting' whether he stops it with his hand or not - 1/2 a revolution at best.
It's a good thing he didn't claim the rotor setup he has is functional.
Go away.
Watching Mylow's brother holding on to the disk so that it would not turn makes me more convinced, if that's possible, that this motor is a fake.
I don't know how Mylow is doing it, but he is a clever guy and a good actor.
At least I am glad to accord him the respect he deserves as a good faker and apologize for ever thinking of him as a dope or as deluded. He is a smart guy and knows exactly what he is up to.
I just hope he will let us know how he did it when he finally tires of the game.
Just one question, seriously, if Mylow has FIRE2.0 why would he be bothered about negative feedback?, he has proven no skeptic can prevent his videos, so come on guys, think, why is he bothered by negative feedback after his initial claim that it works?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
It's a good thing he didn't claim the rotor setup he has is functional.
Go away.
@billmehess
you're a smart guy but where you really lack intelligence is in recognizing that mylow is not the type of person who can handle your spitball....
we've been through this 10 times with mylow now and guys like you are still pasting him....
and even worse, you're not a naive newbie who just hopped on the bus.....
blah blah blah
reserve your comments until the testing is finished.....and recognize that the scope of the testing involves mylow AND all replicators for a period of at least 3 months....
if you're not going to put in the time to do your own accurate testing, this is another reason to just shut up....
everyone out there needs to realize that mylow is not going to follow your direction or your needs for the scientific method....we can leave that to other replicators....
so if you want science, build it yourself and be rigorous.....he is NOT A SCIENTIST
what is it that you're not getting?
as I tell my 2 year old, you are not the boss of him...get over it and go do something else!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 14, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
Just one question, seriously, if Mylow has FIRE2.0 why would he be bothered about negative feedback?, he has proven no skeptic can prevent his videos, so come on guys, think, why is he bothered by negative feedback after his initial claim that it works?
Mylow is an emotional guy and this thing obviously means a lot to him. He picks out the negative comments and doesn't see the positive. Such is life. Anyway, he's basically spelled out how to make the motor.
Quote from: capthook on May 14, 2009, 11:29:43 AM
Ooops.
Watch @ 3:50.
The 'motor' will not make a full revolution after 'starting' whether he stops it with his hand or not - 1/2 a revolution at best.
Well, you can not see, it, cause his arm is in front of it
and he always touches the disc,
so you can´treally say, if he stopped the disc with his other hand...
So this is not an evidence to trust on..
@billmehess
Mylow never stated anything about selling something...
It is Sterling, who makes the money off the plans.
Mylow should really invite Sterling to let him check
it.
My, it's been an interesting evening, I see. Try to get a little sleep and see what happens? Flames, threats of censorship, polarization of opinion. But at least people are starting to consider some of the discrepancies.
Meanwhile, real scientific research continues. I have made a video of my motorized disk so that LightRider can analyze it with his technology, and his graph may then be compared with the one I simultaneously recorded with my optical tacometer data logger. If these graphs are substantially the same, that will indicate that LightRider's technique is valid, and we can trust his measurements of MyLOW's videos.
The video is too long to put on YT and LightRider needs higher definition, so I am right now uploading the video to MediaFire and will make it available as soon as that's finished. Meanwhile here's the graph from my instrumentation for eventual comparison. Left axis is true RPM, bottom is seconds. It's a motorized runup to just over 100 RPM, and a free (motor drive disengaged totally) rundown, with a blank disk (no magnets) and various stator positions which can be seen in the video. To save bandwidth I suggest folks don't download this video unless they seriously want to do some analysis--not much happens that you can't see on the graph just as well, and it's 18 and a half minutes long.
Yes, I will be posting similar research with rotor magnets emplaced--those videos will be shorter, I guarantee it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 12:58:02 PM
Meanwhile, real scientific research continues. I have made a video of my motorized disk so that LightRider can analyze it with his technology, and his graph may then be compared with the one I simultaneously recorded with my optical tacometer data logger.
A voice of reason, hear hear. Magnets are underway now...
Tick tock
your Motor still dont say Mylows is a fake.. Your is we can see it....
so????
Hi Stefan
No ,no I was not implying that Mylow was trying to sell anything, my car analogy was simply that an analogy about blind acceptance.
Yes of course he should let Sterling examine the device. Sterling has worked hard to develop a relationship with Mylow. With Sterlings website platform he could do wonders for Mylow. This will all playout in time.
Quote from: Giga on May 14, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
your Motor still dont say Mylows is a fake.. Your is we can see it....
so????
Stefan, I call your attention to the above comment. How is my motor a fake? I have always pointed out that my TESTBED (not motor) is motorized. This poster is trolling and making insulting and challenging comments, and if I am not allowed to respond in kind--well, that seems a bit unfair to me.
Thank you.
--TK
Quote from: Giga on May 14, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
your Motor still dont say Mylows is a fake.. Your is we can see it....
so????
Oh boy, it is so hard not to comment in the way I would like, but I hear that gets an instant ban these days.
Ever heard of "playing to the crowd" ?, well that's what we have here, an addiction to youtube videos and 15 minutes of fame, though the really clever ones can stretch out that 15 minutes for a long time so long as they are playing to the right crowd, and boy do we have the right crowd here.
Sure you can comment, after all this is a place where people frown on suppression ::)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 01:18:58 PMThis poster is trolling and making insulting and challenging comments, and if I am not allowed to respond in kind--well, that seems a bit unfair to me.
Thank you.
--TK
@all:
Self-importance & vanity is such a waste of valuable energy...
You are not important. I am not important. Mylow is not important. Nothing matters. OK?
Let Mylow have his vacation, he obviously needs it.
Reboot ego & and please post replication information if you can... If this cannot be replicated within a week either
A) everyone is worthless and should hang their heads in shame
B) Mylow house sits on a extremely rare magnetic vortex field
C) There is a hidden power source somewhere
D) Mylow has discovered a working concept
There is simply no other conclusion you can come to than one of these four.
Can't wait to try it out!
AZ
So Wait a LONG Min here TinselKoala you have the right to call Mylows a Fake and i cant call yours a fake.. And trying to get me Ban Becuase i called yours a FAKE?
wow TK your starting to show your true colors
sry spam i deleted it,
Dear Mylow,
I know you are not into money for this adventure. But you have presented yourself as a good man who cares about mankind. That said, please consider this. Here is your chance to give to any good cause you wish. I will donate to any charitable cause you designate the amount US$1,000. The only thing you have to do is send a working replica of the latest 6-magnet rotor unit to me for 3 days of evaluation. I will pay all shipping expenses. I will them send it back to you in the exact same condition. If it works for me exactly as it works for you in your posted video, I will send the donation to your preferred charity, no strings attached. If you accept, respond here and I will them make contact with you by private means.
Quote from: zydubion on May 14, 2009, 02:27:31 PM
Dear Mylow,
I know you are not into money for this adventure. But you have presented yourself as a good man who cares about mankind. That said, please consider this. Here is your chance to give to any good cause you wish. I will donate to any charitable cause you designate the amount US$1,000. The only thing you have to do is send a working replica of the latest 6-magnet rotor unit to me for 3 days of evaluation. I will pay all shipping expenses. I will them send it back to you in the exact same condition. If it works for me exactly as it works for you in your posted video, I will send the donation to your preferred charity, no strings attached. If you accept, respond here and I will them make contact with you by private means.
Seemed like a perfectly honorable thing to do and I really wish MyLow will oblige not because he has to but it serves two purposes, 1) It verifies your discover as genuine and 2) Some kids who may not have magnets to play with can look forward to a better life!
And all the people say ......
Amen
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Giga on May 14, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
So Wait a LONG Min here TinselKoala you have the right to call Mylows a Fake and i cant call yours a fake.. And trying to get me Ban Becuase i called yours a FAKE?
wow TK your starting to show your true colors
Giga (newbie), get real, and do some homework. In the post to which you first called mine a "fake', I say right there that it is motor driven and has no magnets on it. So how could it be, in any sense, a FAKE? Especially since I make no claims, and show exactly what it is doing and where the motor is, and take repeatable instrumental data?
I repeat, you're a troll and should go and pick on someone your own size.
Quote from: zydubion on May 14, 2009, 02:27:31 PM
Dear Mylow,
I know you are not into money for this adventure. But you have presented yourself as a good man who cares about mankind. That said, please consider this. Here is your chance to give to any good cause you wish. I will donate to any charitable cause you designate the amount US$1,000. The only thing you have to do is send a working replica of the latest 6-magnet rotor unit to me for 3 days of evaluation. I will pay all shipping expenses. I will them send it back to you in the exact same condition. If it works for me exactly as it works for you in your posted video, I will send the donation to your preferred charity, no strings attached. If you accept, respond here and I will them make contact with you by private means.
Hey, how is that better than, or more likely to be accepted than, my offer of one thousand dollars? All I want is for him to show it to somebody from the U. I don't want it, I don't want him to ship it, etc. All I want is external verification from someone with real credentials.
Oh, I see. If he sends it to you you can keep it private, whereas if he shows it to someone from the university, it will be suppressed. Oh, wait, the NSA already tried that and failed...so it's ok to show it to the University...or is it...I get confused.
But regardless, the ante is now Two Thousand Dollars, one way or the other.
Tinsela, I don't want it private. I will replicate and share with the world. Don't make insipid assumptions.
The easiest thing for Mylow would still be to invite
the Radiochannel man from Chicago and let him
bring in his team of reporters all with Videocameras.
Why not let local people in Chicago see it firsthand and
let them report over here or on Youtube and give
an eye witness report.
P.S. I did not delete any of TinselKoala´s post
and I asked the moderator Wattsup not to delete postings,
only if they are inappropiate and low life level.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 02:54:14 PM
Hey, how is that better than, or more likely to be accepted than, my offer of one thousand dollars? All I want is for him to show it to somebody from the U. I don't want it, I don't want him to ship it, etc. All I want is external verification from someone with real credentials.
Oh, I see. If he sends it to you you can keep it private, whereas if he shows it to someone from the university, it will be suppressed. Oh, wait, the NSA already tried that and failed...so it's ok to show it to the University...or is it...I get confused.
But regardless, the ante is now Two Thousand Dollars, one way or the other.
How about getting replica's to run and then go to your precious university. It has been 2 days since he posted the real puzzle piece why don't you give people some time and relax a bit.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 14, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
The easiest thing for Mylow would still be to invite
the Radiochannel man from Chicago and let him
bring in his team of reporters all with Videocameras.
Why not let local people in Chicago see it firsthand and
let them report over here or on Youtube and give
an eye witness report.
P.S. I did not delete any of TinselKoala´s post
and I asked the moderator Wattsup not to delete postings,
only if they are inappropiate and low life level.
im still waiting no call yet but hopfully soon..
Show of hands who is replicating (or planning to) with the exact same magnets
ME ;D
Make sure your disc is thick enough... I am betting that it is important to get past the COG. I for one am not putting all my faith in the pan lid and terrace warming cover I have now and will hunt for a decent disc and bearing tomorrow.
Hope it is not too expensive!
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 14, 2009, 03:20:00 PM
Make sure your disc is thick enough... I am betting that it is important to get past the COG. I for one am not putting all my faith in the pan lid and terrace warming cover I have now and will hunt for a decent disc and bearing tomorrow.
Mylows Disk is 5.5 mm thick.
Bobs that he is using now is 3.2mm thick.
Good luck with your build, look forward to seeing more.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: Giga on May 13, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Explane only 3 Magnets Doing the same thing on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM
Remember Only 3 Not 6 Like Mylows haha ur too funny TK
IT WORKS and your HATEING THE FACT you didnt come up with it Face it your a BORN HATER
Giga,
TK has attempted to replicate, have you?
The video you quote is fairly unexciting, a great piece of workmanship I would have to agree, but behaves as one would expect.
It´s a nice chunky alu disk on a good bearing, the stator is far enough away such that eddy losses will be minimal. It does not accelerate, it winds down. It winds down about as fast as one would expect. Probably stops faster with stator than without. Why the builders are staing they have confirmed anything is beyond me?
Quote from: zydubion on May 14, 2009, 03:02:51 PM
Tinsela, I don't want it private. I will replicate and share with the world. Don't make insipid assumptions.
Zyd, I'm not making insipid assumptions. I'm just anticipating the reason, why he, or anyone, might take up your new offer instead of my old offer, which makes many fewer demands and seeks nothing for myself, not even "replication and sharing with the world."
How is that an "insipid assumption"?
Sunday is the two month anniversary of this odyssey. I've ordered an 18" Black Forest cake with 2 x 1 x 1 candles.
Tinsel....Your insipid assumption was "Send it to me so I can keep it private"
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 14, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
@billmehess, TK etc...
well, i guess you guys won the cardgame again...pissed him off with your idiotic negativity...refuse to let the boy grow!
hope you're happy.....
if you're not man enough to shut up, you're not a man I guess...
"Let the boy grow" lol he´s no spring chicken?
And as you´re talking of being a "man". A true man does not get pissed off. A true man should follow the truth and remain cool headed and objective to the latter.
One big reason people may not be replicating is the aluminum disc. Where to get them?
I ordered two of these
5/16" X 16.73" disc (scrap aluminum discs) $15.32 each plus shipping - nice price and look to be just what we need to test with.
http://www.sandsmachine.com/alumweb.htm
yes a little thicker than MyLow's disk and also about an inch less in dia.
Maybe these factors will not hurt.
My magnets should be here on tuesday... same as those sent to mylow.
It appears the aluminum may have something do with the effect so I will give it another try now that I have some good instruction from Mylow..
Mylow, please keep the instructions coming... I need them.
Total cost less than 100 dollars... with shipping and handling for mags and disc
Bill
Mylow thinking about a TV appearance?
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1141
I think Stefan should seriously consider filing a lawsuit against Sterling for his obvious libel he has continued to print about "everyone" over here at Overunity.com. He is doing it for obvious self-serving purposes....Overunity.com bad, my site good. Mylow has received a lot of support from many folks here through this entire saga, and some are on the fence and yes some are awaiting VERIFICATION before accepting this a being a working motor. There have been a few who attacked Mylow with personal insults, which are always wrong, that contributed nothing to this debate but, for Sterling to lump everyone over here on this forum into one large hate group is insulting, totally inaccurate (Not surprising given Sterling's lack of showing any journalistic professionalism) and most likely a good case for libel suit. Who knows how many folks are now not going to sign up over here, and this will cost Stefan potential income. Something to look into.
Bill
This might be the greatest video ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAj9dMLKd6Y
Quote from: maw2432 on May 14, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
One big reason people may not be replicating is the aluminum disc. Where to get them?
I ordered two of these
5/16" X 16.73" disc (scrap aluminum discs) $15.32 each plus shipping - nice price and look to be just what we need to test with.
http://www.sandsmachine.com/alumweb.htm
yes a little thicker than MyLow's disk and also about an inch less in dia.
Maybe these factors will not hurt.
My magnets should be here on tuesday... same as those sent to mylow.
It appears the aluminum may have something do with the effect so I will give it another try now that I have some good instruction from Mylow..
Mylow, please keep the instructions coming... I need them.
Total cost less than 100 dollars... with shipping and handling for mags and disc
Bill
That's a Great find!! I just might order some of those myself. The material isn't 6061 and they will require some careful deburring and touchup machining, but for a basic aluminum disk that's just a little better than scrap price, so it's a great deal.
Thanks!! (for comparison my 18x18 inch square of 1/4 inch 6061-T6 cost me about 55 dollars US (plus tax!!) and I had to make it round myself. But at least I have the 4 corners left over for something else...)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 05:48:03 PM
This might be the greatest video ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAj9dMLKd6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAj9dMLKd6Y)
NYC:
What the heck was that?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 14, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
I think Stefan should seriously consider filing a lawsuit against Sterling for his obvious libel he has continued to print about "everyone" over here at Overunity.com. He is doing it for obvious self-serving purposes....Overunity.com bad, my site good. Mylow has received a lot of support from many folks here through this entire saga, and some are on the fence and yes some are awaiting VERIFICATION before accepting this a being a working motor. There have been a few who attacked Mylow with personal insults, which are always wrong, that contributed nothing to this debate but, for Sterling to lump everyone over here on this forum into one large hate group is insulting, totally inaccurate (Not surprising given Sterling's lack of showing any journalistic professionalism) and most likely a good case for libel suit. Who knows how many folks are now not going to sign up over here, and this will cost Stefan potential income. Something to look into.
Bill
Well,
why should I sue anybody ?
Only cause Sterling can not stand a few critical posts over here
and blames this on me ?
I guess we have better and more important things to
do than to spend our small cash on laywers and hate each others, right ?
In the final end either the Mylow saga will sink or
he will be awarded a Nobel prize or / and the OverUnity pize
( if he can scale it up to the 1 Watt output level)
I just want to have a noncensored free speech forum,
without hate, but where everybody can tell his opinion
in a correct manner, also if they think it is an elaborate hoax.
As now some replications are under way and the replicators
getting the same magnets as Mylow, maybe some
will finally get it to work too ?
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 14, 2009, 06:00:41 PM
NYC:
What the heck was that?
Bill
A replicator! Check the rest of his videos the guy is FUNNY!
Well, look what allmagnetics carries
http://www.allmagnetics.com/device/magnetizer.htm
Replication from rickfriedrich
Look's good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM&feature=channel_page
cat
Quote from: powercat on May 14, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Replication from rickfriedrich
Look's good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM&feature=channel_page
cat
Yep. The guy he's with is John Bedini! That's Bedini's workshop.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
Yep. The guy he's with is John Bedini! That's Bedini's workshop.
Ahh, so that's it.
I was wondering why they ignored my comments about setting up instrumental data gathering and a repeatable standardized starting method and performing some simple control experiments to compare configs--like with and without the stator present.
How do they justify shouting out "It Works!!" when it's clearly been given a strong push by Mr. Hand and it's clearly slowing down to a stop?
I mean, really, if that qualifies as "working", I should take my Minato motor and go apply for all those OU prizes...(video uploading right now, will post link when finished)
(and it's not even fake)
@ powercat
Quote from: powercat on May 14, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Replication from rickfriedrich
Thanks for the link and info.
Are those the same magnets? They don't look the same and there are only 3 of them. I don't think that is a very accurate replication.
Quote from: xee2 on May 14, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
@ powercat
Thanks for the link and info.
Are those the same magnets? They don't look the same and there are only 3 of them. I don't think that is a very accurate replication.
Heck, why is that a problem?
Even MyLOW's recent replications haven't been very accurate replications of what he started out showing. Ten, eleven or more different configurations with all different magnets. The only things constant are the disk(s) and the bearing mount and the little stub axle thingie.
Bar magnets, horseshoe magnets, pointing in and out, up and sideways, for the rotors.
Horseshoe magnets, motor arc magnets for stators.
Widely varying numbers of rotor magnets. One stator, two stators. Fixed mount, moveable mount, adjustable mount. Close, far away. Balanced, unbalanced, symmetrical, asymmetrical. It all works, if you're Mylow.
I understand there are some good Chinese restaurants in Chicago.
Quote from: xee2 on May 14, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
@ powercat
Thanks for the link and info.
Are those the same magnets? They don't look the same and there are only 3 of them. I don't think that is a very accurate replication.
Hi xee2
only two videos available at the moment here is the other one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUBc__2ScQ&feature=channel_page
it might not be very accurate but hopefully it is establishing the principal
cat
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Ahh, so that's it.
I was wondering why they ignored my comments about setting up instrumental data gathering and a repeatable standardized starting method and performing some simple control experiments to compare configs--like with and without the stator present.
How do they justify shouting out "It Works!!" when it's clearly been given a strong push by Mr. Hand and it's clearly slowing down to a stop?
I mean, really, if that qualifies as "working", I should take my Minato motor and go apply for all those OU prizes...(video uploading right now, will post link when finished)
(and it's not even fake)
Quit your yappin and build the bar magnet motor. I just placed my order.
And that video clearly shows that the rotor, kicked out from the gate, makes only half a turn. That is NOT "working"! That isn't even nearly as good as gates that many of us here have shown.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 07:00:09 PM
Quit your yappin and build the bar magnet motor. I just placed my order.
I guess I'm in the wrong line of work. I think I'll go into magnet retailing on the internet. :D
Good luck.
But a better bar magnet configuration is the Minato variant, using an arc magnet stator held concave side down, not up. All I have to do is perfect the stator mount, and Bob's yer Uncle, as they say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXpEqoDJDbM
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 05:48:03 PM
This might be the greatest video ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAj9dMLKd6Y
@nyctuber
Who is this hillbilly?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on May 14, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
@nyctuber
Who is this hillbilly?
cheers
chrisC
$10 says he's a Bush.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
I guess I'm in the wrong line of work. I think I'll go into magnet retailing on the internet. :D
Good luck.
But a better bar magnet configuration is the Minato variant, using an arc magnet stator held concave side down, not up. All I have to do is perfect the stator mount, and Bob's yer Uncle, as they say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXpEqoDJDbM
You add energy manually with your hand.
By the way, it is no wonder you don´t get anything to work,
if you always listen to this annoying kind of free jazz music ! ;D ;D ;D
Antigravity....
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1144
Calgon, take me away :o
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 14, 2009, 07:35:07 PM
....
if you always listen to this annoying kind of free jazz music ! ;D ;D ;D
hahaha! I agree. Sorry TK. That's not my music either!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 14, 2009, 07:35:07 PM
You add energy manually with your hand.
By the way, it is no wonder you don´t get anything to work,
if you always listen to this annoying kind of free jazz music ! ;D ;D ;D
Yes, that's the point. You add energy manually with your hand, and it's really easy to believe it's coming from the magnets.
Hey, that's classic stuff. Thelonius Monk and John Coltrane, live at the Five Spot in New York in 1957. There are people out there who would kill for a copy of that vinyl.
But it's a mood thing. Mostly I listen to other stuff. Monk and 'Trane are definitely an acquired taste--if you ain't got it, you ain't gonna get it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
I guess I'm in the wrong line of work. I think I'll go into magnet retailing on the internet. :D
Good luck.
But a better bar magnet configuration is the Minato variant, using an arc magnet stator held concave side down, not up. All I have to do is perfect the stator mount, and Bob's yer Uncle, as they say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXpEqoDJDbM
Cool video Tensel. But it was hard to hear your narrative completely. Maybe you could cut that noise in the background, let the Thorazine wear off and speak up a little. Here you appear to be debunking but you actually have something. Someday I can see you driving down the road in your magmotor car and still saying "See, this is how they fool you" :)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 05:51:27 PM
That's a Great find!! I just might order some of those myself. The material isn't 6061 and they will require some careful deburring and touchup machining, but for a basic aluminum disk that's just a little better than scrap price, so it's a great deal.
Thanks!! (for comparison my 18x18 inch square of 1/4 inch 6061-T6 cost me about 55 dollars US (plus tax!!) and I had to make it round myself. But at least I have the 4 corners left over for something else...)
Thanks TK.
Any suggestions on finding a bearing and assembly like yours?
For now I am using an old VHS hub.
Bill
Quote from: maw2432 on May 14, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
Thanks TK.
Any suggestions on finding a bearing and assembly like yours?
For now I am using an old VHS hub.
Bill
My bearing is a standard one, should be available at your local Bearings-R-Us store.
FAG 6300.03 10 mm ID 30 mm OD 9 mm thickness
remove seals carefully and flush out all grease, lubricate with Park bicycle chain lube w/Teflon
I make a lot of the aluminum stuff out of scrap. But those VCR head bearings are great, I just don't know if they'll withstand the load. That disk with magnets will be weighing in at around 9 or ten pounds.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
Cool video Tensel. But it was hard to hear your narrative completely. Maybe you could cut that noise in the background, let the Thorazine wear off and speak up a little. Here you appear to be debunking but you actually have something. Someday I can see you driving down the road in your magmotor car and still saying "See, this is how they fool you" :)
What I said to your comment on the YT vid:
Congratulations!
I knew you were going to say that.
Well, not You, exactly, but someone.
And maybe not precisely that, but something quite like it.
Of course I have something. And I know exactly what it is, and what to do with it.
Thanks!!
--TK
Since I'm listed as a replicator I've just listed my 5th video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBh0c7jAELM&layer_token=209e053b214f72
Quote from: chrisC on May 14, 2009, 07:47:27 PM
hahaha! I agree. Sorry TK. That's not my music either!
cheers
chrisC
Is this any more to your liking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZC57w9wyk
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 14, 2009, 06:08:19 PM
Well,
why should I sue anybody ?
Only cause Sterling can not stand a few critical posts over here
and blames this on me ?
I guess we have better and more important things to
do than to spend our small cash on laywers and hate each others, right ?
In the final end either the Mylow saga will sink or
he will be awarded a Nobel prize or / and the OverUnity pize
( if he can scale it up to the 1 Watt output level)
I just want to have a noncensored free speech forum,
without hate, but where everybody can tell his opinion
in a correct manner, also if they think it is an elaborate hoax.
As now some replications are under way and the replicators
getting the same magnets as Mylow, maybe some
will finally get it to work too ?
Stefan:
Well, of course you are right. I have never sued anyone and I would very rarely suggest that anyone do so. I am just appalled that Sterling gets away with this kind of thing. Now, I guess, he will be offering plans for Mylow's anti-gravity device as well. Also, you are correct, free speech comes at a cost, it is not free. I applaud your efforts here. If/when this all blows up in Sterling's face, that will be enough justice for me.
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
$10 says he's a Bush.
Actually that is Don Richmond from West Virginia. He's been working on this stuff since about 1976. His first concepts were very interesting. Don't let his comical hillbilly act fool you. He has a unique sense of humor and is actually very smart as well as significantly educated in various realms. I think that his video here is merely a 'bird flipping' at the various naysayers:)
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Actually that is Don Richmond from West Virginia. He's been working on this stuff since about 1976. His first concepts were very interesting. Don't let his comical hillbilly act fool you. He has a unique sense of humor and is actually very smart as well as significantly educated in various realms. I think that his video here is merely a 'bird flipping' at the various naysayers:)
Right on and no disrespect intended to the guy. I think he needs a new pie plate, though :)
Since I am listed as a replicator I have added a 5th video, hope it's of interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBh0c7jAELM&layer_token=209e053b214f72
Just a thought,
why dont we sell plans or kits on the internet. We can give Stephan 1/3rd for the overunity prize pool, 1/3 to Mylow and 1/3 to the originator of the SMOT (I happen to know him). We could also resell video's that are freely available on youtube.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 14, 2009, 08:13:57 PM
Stefan:
Well, of course you are right. I have never sued anyone and I would very rarely suggest that anyone do so. I am just appalled that Sterling gets away with this kind of thing. Now, I guess, he will be offering plans for Mylow's anti-gravity device as well. Also, you are correct, free speech comes at a cost, it is not free. I applaud your efforts here. If/when this all blows up in Sterling's face, that will be enough justice for me.
Bill
Sterling is now pretty much out of the loop on this one I think. The fuse was already lit well before the event of Mylow. Sterling is being taken out of the loop by his own doing and by the intervention of others. This is due to his behaviors which are not limited to his cult like approaches, literary inaccuracies as well as his wrongful and irresponsible exploitation of the subject.
Guess whooo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5nlel6tPpA&feature=channel_page
New 5th tutorial video out of Mylow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5nlel6tPpA
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 07:45:31 PM
Antigravity....
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1144
Calgon, take me away :o
Antigravity is not what he is referring to :)
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:38:03 PM
Antigravity is not what he is referring to :)
Time travel?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:38:03 PM
Antigravity is not what he is referring to :)
Quote:
"Hi John,
You might not be in a race, but all of us are anxious to see a replication -- especially Mylow. Please step it up for all of our sakes.
I'm guessing that the "something else" that you are saying they will discover here is antigravity.
Mylow described his magnet floating 1/4 inch the other day, and I don't think he was referring to magnetic forces.
Another associate of mine who claims to have worked on an all-magnet motor described how it took off from the bench and would have kept going had one of the assistants fortuitously grabbed the disconnect lever as it took off.
Sterling"
End Quote.
If that isn't a reference to antigravity, there where he says "antigravity", then he must be using some subtle code, to keep the skeptics guessing. Darn! I wish I knew what he was referring to, when he said, "antigravity."
EDIT to add: ALFPARTS, how many different configurations of magnets has Mylow shown to work, in his videos going back to the beginning?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 08:38:03 PM
Antigravity is not what he is referring to :)
'He' being Mylow - "Mylow described his magnet floating 1/4 inch the other day, and I don't think he was referring to magnetic forces."
As I understand it...Sterling didn't think 'they' were magnetic forces.
I'm sure 'they' were magnetic forces but I doubt directly from the magnets.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 09:01:02 PM
Quote:
"Hi John,
You might not be in a race, but all of us are anxious to see a replication -- especially Mylow. Please step it up for all of our sakes.
I'm guessing that the "something else" that you are saying they will discover here is antigravity.
Mylow described his magnet floating 1/4 inch the other day, and I don't think he was referring to magnetic forces.
Another associate of mine who claims to have worked on an all-magnet motor described how it took off from the bench and would have kept going had one of the assistants fortuitously grabbed the disconnect lever as it took off.
Sterling"
End Quote.
If that isn't a reference to antigravity, there where he says "antigravity", then he must be using some subtle code, to keep the skeptics guessing. Darn! I wish I knew what he was referring to, when he said, "antigravity."
EDIT to add: ALFPARTS, how many different configurations of magnets has Mylow shown to work, in his videos going back to the beginning?
913 PM EST - I am not EXACTLY sure. Let me ask. Things are not always as they appear, meaning that though his set-ups appeared to be different from a physical/visual standpoint they were basically the same circuit.
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 08:28:47 PM
Since I am listed as a replicator I have added a 5th video, hope it's of interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBh0c7jAELM&layer_token=209e053b214f72
Nice try Bill, better than the last one but seems to run into the same gate.
Somebody asked, if this design could also be used for
a rotational magnet motor:
"videovegetable" <videovegetable@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all. For those of us who do not know what a SMOT device is, check out this youtube video. SMOT = Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mYm5nO5Fw
>
I made this video long before the SMOT from Greg Watson came out.
I recently found it on an old tape (Hi8 tape) and uploaded it to my Youtube chanel.
It was done shortly after the guy with the TOMI
design showed his thing publically.
If you would use just an iron cyclinder instead of ceramic magnets roller stack,
it would work much better, cause then I would have no sticky spot at the entrance.
The TOMI with a Roller MAGNET has a sticky spot at the entrance, so you have to
place it into the track from above, where there is no sticky spot about at the center
(If you let it fall into the track for instance)
The table is flat, no incline.
It just accelerates and rolls out of the track with no holding back.
That is got, cause I use at the last stage also these 90 degrees angle iron core pieces.
Just try it yourself. You just only need the right dimensions and thickness for the 90 degrees iron core pieces to guide the flux away and have some magnetic viscosity !
Just with magnets only it does not work !
Best regards, Stefan.
P.S. My voice narration is a bit annoying, yes I know,
I tested it several times and wanted to get the best
shot for the camera and always spoke the same sentence to it.
I should have just posted the scene 2 times only..
but then the video would have been very short...
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 09:16:43 PM
913 PM EST - I am not EXACTLY sure. Let me ask. Things are not always as they appear, meaning that though his set-ups appeared to be different from a physical/visual standpoint they were basically the same circuit.
You've missed your calling. Clearly, with that last statement, you should have been a politician.
So when he uses different magnets, and a different number of them, and the disk turns the opposite direction, and he uses one or two horseshoes or one or two arc magnets as stators, those are "basically the same circuit" even though they "appear different from a physical/visual standpoint?"
I've got to admit, it's hard to argue with that kind of logic.
A work in progress-baby steps.
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 09:25:42 PM
A work in progress-baby steps.
So let me get this straight, he comes bursting out of no where with a replication he claims
works and now hes taking baby steps?, this is
FIRE2.0 we're talking about.
After all his contradictions, after giving sterling the run around, after giving another replicator who he said he would show his device too and then backed out with some sad excuse about feeling sad after visiting the grave, some of you still believe this guy, I'm not going to insult any of you, but I mean it when I say it's about time you did a little more thinking and a little less dreaming.
Whoa there bucko, I do not claim to have a working motor, I have shown that It does not make a completed revolution. This the 5th video I have posted and I am simply showing another way to appoach the problem by using multiple platforms.
My apologies, seems I got our wires crossed, I was referring to Mylow.
Quote from: billmehess on May 14, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
Whoa there bucko, I do not claim to have a working motor, I have shown that It does not make a completed revolution. This the 5th video I have posted and I am simply showing another way to appoach the problem by using multiple platforms.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 09:25:09 PM
You've missed your calling. Clearly, with that last statement, you should have been a politician.
So when he uses different magnets, and a different number of them, and the disk turns the opposite direction, and he uses one or two horseshoes or one or two arc magnets as stators, those are "basically the same circuit" even though they "appear different from a physical/visual standpoint?"
I've got to admit, it's hard to argue with that kind of logic.
Ha, funny:) I oversimplified it a bit. What I am saying is that what I refer to as the 'circuit' is the relationship of the individual stator to rotor magnet interface. The motor is simply a series of such a relationship configured in a repeated fashion. There may be small changes in the magnetic circuit but it still functions. ie: You can mount the stator magnets horizontally or vertically with a corresponding rotor magnet relationship and still maintain the same basic relationship at the interface. (though different interactions with the mounting surface/material may come into play) Thus the vertical vs horizontal arrangement may appear to be a whole different set up to some. It goes beyond this of course. I have seen the same basic rotor to pole relationship observed in magmotor units which 'appear' to be widely different. Additionally, by advancing of the research you may see benefit in changing configuration and/or circuit. So, why stick to a specific process if you find a better one? Well, I know it's confusing maybe, but if you come to terms with the basic circuit you can make such variations without loss of function. Please let me know if I am still appearing as a politician and I will continue to refine my explanation until it either becomes totally bonkers to you or makes sense. And please do not rag on me for my comment about your Jazz music. It's just that, to me, it sounds like Rap for geriatrics and makes it hard to concentrate while viewing your important videos :)
I like Bill's approach to this problem. The multiple platform idea might be a way to fool the cogging that appears to be affecting every other replicator thus far. It is very creative and may not work but, I like the creativity factor and the craftsmanship.
Bill
Yes, Mylow is upset because it seems no one is trying to replicate his work.
Forget for a moment that there are approximately 8-10 people posting replication attempts on youtube, although most have stalled due to difficulty reproducing it.
Why are they having difficulty?
Well, Mylow, they've been waiting for more detailed information, like how you space the rotors. We started to get that information TWO DAYS AGO.
We still don't know what you do next, Mylow, how you determine the distance to the next group of magnets, etc.
For Gods sakes, man, this isn't personal, it isn't an attack. But what the heck?
Replicators need to see measurements of the spaces, they need to watch you build the whole thing. Why is this such a monumentally difficult task, brother?? ???
EDIT: And you know, real people are spending real money to try to replicate this thing. Come on Mylow suck it up and tell them what to do with the stuff they spent their hard earned money on (including myself).
Interesting you say this Pirate, I have noticed that the force necessary to manually push the rotor magnets past the stator appears to be much less than if the same configuration was on one platform.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 10:08:07 PM
Ha, funny:) I oversimplified it a bit. What I am saying is that what I refer to as the 'circuit' is the relationship of the individual stator to rotor magnet interface. The motor is simply a series of such a relationship configured in a repeated fashion. There may be small changes in the magnetic circuit but it still functions. ie: You can mount the stator magnets horizontally or vertically with a corresponding rotor magnet relationship and still maintain the same basic relationship at the interface. (though different interactions with the mounting surface/material may come into play) Thus the vertical vs horizontal arrangement may appear to be a whole different set up to some. It goes beyond this of course. I have seen the same basic rotor to pole relationship observed in magmotor units which 'appear' to be widely different. Additionally, by advancing of the research you may see benefit in changing configuration and/or circuit. So, why stick to a specific process if you find a better one? Well, I know it's confusing maybe, but if you come to terms with the basic circuit you can make such variations without loss of function. Please let me know if I am still appearing as a politician and I will continue to refine my explanation until it either becomes totally bonkers to you or makes sense. And please do not rag on me for my comment about your Jazz music. It's just that, to me, it sounds like Rap for geriatrics and makes it hard to concentrate while viewing your important videos :)
Fair enough. But "totally bonkers" and "makes sense to me" are not exclusive categories, in my mind. Anyway, in light of the above, how would you explain then the continuing failure of everybody else for the last couple hundred years (except Howard Johnson (peace be upon him) of course -) ) to get one running?
Rap for geriatrics, I like that. Appropriate. Next time I ride the bus, I think I'll put on the buds and crank up the Sun Ra, see if any heads turn.
(My vids important? My, you are a politician, aren't you. My vids are about as important as a warning not to pee into the wind. It's pretty obvious, and what's the worst that could happen if you ignore it totally? A slight sensation of warmth and damp. That's about it.)
Thanks Stephan...i always thought Greg Watson was the original SMOT Man. I stand corrected.
Now everyone...we are nearing page 300 on this thread. I think this calls for a celebration.
Lets offer a set of video's that are freely available on the internet for a discounted price(cover bandwidth and Prozac costs) and a set of plans (anyone here got a spare set of plans for anyting that spins)
We can put all the funds in Stephans legal account so he can defend freedom of speach (non offensive of course) Iteresting the only threats or suppression dont come from the government, MIB or other unknowns but freeenergy promotors themselves. There has to be some irony in that.
Keep up the good work everyone (sceptics and replicators alike)
Mark
Speaking of Sun Ra...
If you find Earth boring, just the same old same thing
Come on and sign up on Outer Spaceways Incorporated.
I think we might have all signed up (most of us, anyway)
WELL LOOKIE HERE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXouIqb_Ao4&feature=channel_page
The man never ceases to amaze/frustrate/amaze!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 14, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
So let me get this straight, he comes bursting out of no where with a replication he claims works and now hes taking baby steps?, this is FIRE2.0 we're talking about.
After all his contradictions, after giving sterling the run around, after giving another replicator who he said he would show his device too and then backed out with some sad excuse about feeling sad after visiting the grave, some of you still believe this guy, I'm not going to insult any of you, but I mean it when I say it's about time you did a little more thinking and a little less dreaming.
Please reconsider what you represent as fact and work on the grammar a little. The truth is that Mylow did not just come bursting out of nowhere. I am not aware of the 'contradictions' that you mention. What contradictions? He may have said that he would show his device through a particular venue and by way of a particular individual/group. However he became leary of that individual/group and the proposed venue. He then confided in a person with unique experience in that area of concern and came to realize that a different approach was needed due to the inept character of the previous individuals. As an example, here is what happens when you trust the wrong people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0 - - - Questions?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 10:48:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0 - - - Questions?
Woah.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
Woah.
Mylow is already way ahead of that, what is the point again? They seem to like showing anything under 360 degrees rotation.
Joe
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:39:52 PM
WELL LOOKIE HERE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXouIqb_Ao4&feature=channel_page
The man never ceases to amaze/frustrate/amaze!
The limelight is too much to resist!
But it is good that he has not given up. He just needs to enjoy the ride and learn to have some fun and not take things too seriously. Sure, there will be many AH's in a public forum but learn to cook in the kitchen.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 14, 2009, 10:57:21 PM
Mylow is already way ahead of that, what is the point again? They seem to like showing anything under 360 degrees rotation.
Joe
I don't think you realize that that IS Howard Johnson's device. Think about what Bedini is saying.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 11:02:49 PM
I don't think you realize that that IS Howard Johnson's device. Think about what Bedini is saying.
All that matters to me at this point is a running/rotating device replication. Not a little one way track. It sounded like Bedini was trying to instruct Mylow. Yet Mylow is the one with the running PMM, not Bedini. That's all :)
I guess I am still upset about the new "Mylow Replication that works" - but didn't really work. Let's all keep trying.
With Mylow's latest measurment video, there is NO reason that a duplication should not be made to run, if everything is on the up and up.
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 14, 2009, 11:06:07 PM
All that matters to me at this point is a running/rotating device replication. Not a little one way track. It sounded like Bedini was trying to instruct Mylow. Yet Mylow is the one with the running PMM, not Bedini. That's all :)
I guess I am still upset about the new "Mylow Replication that works" - but didn't really work. Let's all keep trying.
Joe
If you haven't already, watch Energy From The Vacuum. John Bedini has a specific reason for doing it this way. The bottom line is he's saying it works. Mind blower.
@billmehess
Son of a gun. I was thinking of this also in the initial Mylow trials with my Pizza Pan Wheel. I had also prepared a post on this idea but put it aside for some reason, probably because of all the noise.
But I do remember thinking long and hard about a multi-level wheel and had come to certain observations. but the gist of it was that more wheel with partial rotor segments means much more mass since each segment had to turn a mainly empty wheel. The solution I had thought of was to cut one wheel into several segments or pies that could then be stacked. This way there would be both no potential field crowning and the best forward potential.
Also I had figured that the number of rotors has to match the number of pies and the pies had to be enough to go all the way around the circle, or even further to 1 1/2 circles, as long as there are the same amount of pies as rotors per segment. This way, pie #1 has stator position at rotor #1, pie #2 has stator at rotor #2, and so on.
I had also figured out that there would have to be at least 8 rotors and eight pies. Rotor #1 is the repulsion, rotors #2 to #7 are the forward movements, rotor #8 is the sticky. With 8 rotors and pies, you would always have 6 forwards to counter 1 repulsion and 1 sticky.
Maybe one day I'll have TIME, if it is not spent on reading so many pages of so much voodoo science about a guy letting go of a wobbly mono weighted wheel that moved when he let it go. lol
Anyways, good to see someone is looking in this direction.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 11:11:18 PM
If you haven't already, watch Energy From The Vacuum. John Bedini has a specific reason for doing it this way. The bottom line is he's saying it works. Mind blower.
Some of us here will say it works. Some say it doesn't work. You and I know we need replications that work to prove it really works to the world. Right?
Joe
According to the gapping Mylow just laid out, the rotor gaps are wider at the outer edge than the gap between the stators, and smaller on the inner edge (asymmetrically, of course).
I suppose that would have to be a given though, considering they are being placed around the edge of a disk.
But hey TK, another reason your replication didn't work?
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 14, 2009, 11:15:56 PM
Some of us here will say it works. Some say it doesn't work. You and I know we need replications that work to prove it really works to the world. Right?
Joe
Yes, but that's another story.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:12:11 PM
Yes, Mylow is upset because it seems no one is trying to replicate his work.
Forget for a moment that there are approximately 8-10 people posting replication attempts on youtube, although most have stalled due to difficulty reproducing it.
Why are they having difficulty?
Well, Mylow, they've been waiting for more detailed information, like how you space the rotors. We started to get that information TWO DAYS AGO.
We still don't know what you do next, Mylow, how you determine the distance to the next group of magnets, etc.
For Gods sakes, man, this isn't personal, it isn't an attack. But what the heck?
Replicators need to see measurements of the spaces, they need to watch you build the whole thing. Why is this such a monumentally difficult task, brother?? ???
EDIT: And you know, real people are spending real money to try to replicate this thing. Come on Mylow suck it up and tell them what to do with the stuff they spent their hard earned money on (including myself).
I think that Mylow is taking a breather. He has come to realize the dangers of getting 'so called' trusted scientists to help you and do your verifications.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0
Questions anybody?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 08:12:40 PM
Is this any more to your liking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZC57w9wyk
I like the way she lifts the magnetic fields off her lovely fingers! I think MyLow's replicators need that kind of magic.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 11:20:11 PM
I think that Mylow is taking a breather. He has come to realize the dangers of getting 'so called' trusted scientists to help you and do your verifications.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0
Yes I just saw it. Thank you so much. I get what's happening.
I don't. What is happening? Thanks.
Bill
My Rotor and Stator setup are as per Mylow instructional videos.
My parts are the same and in fact source from the same place as his.
I'm still going to fool around with my disk a bit if i find something
interesting i will post for sure.
My disk spin down times are very good .. 200 RPM to 0 with no magnets installed
... just under 21 minutes, so friction is not the issue.
i know everyone would rather see a working motor - so would i - but this is my
truth ..
i hope other replicators will also show their results - even if they're like
mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:12:11 PM
Yes, Mylow is upset because it seems no one is trying to replicate his work.
Forget for a moment that there are approximately 8-10 people posting replication attempts on youtube, although most have stalled due to difficulty reproducing it.
Why are they having difficulty?
Well, Mylow, they've been waiting for more detailed information, like how you space the rotors. We started to get that information TWO DAYS AGO.
We still don't know what you do next, Mylow, how you determine the distance to the next group of magnets, etc.
For Gods sakes, man, this isn't personal, it isn't an attack. But what the heck?
Replicators need to see measurements of the spaces, they need to watch you build the whole thing. Why is this such a monumentally difficult task, brother?? ???
EDIT: And you know, real people are spending real money to try to replicate this thing. Come on Mylow suck it up and tell them what to do with the stuff they spent their hard earned money on (including myself).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXouIqb_Ao4&feature=channel_page
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 14, 2009, 11:25:54 PM
I don't. What is happening? Thanks.
Bill
Nothing is happening like what is happening in Mylow's motor. This train thing is pointless at this point! We are interested in 360 degrees continuous rotation. Mylow has given us the parts and measurements to do this. Forget the train.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 10:48:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0 - - - Questions?
I have a question, yes. Do I really need to ask it? OK, then:
Which one of those things in that lab there can "close the loop" and run itself indefinitely, without batteries?
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 14, 2009, 11:06:07 PM
All that matters to me at this point is a running/rotating device replication. Not a little one way track. It sounded like Bedini was trying to instruct Mylow. Yet Mylow is the one with the running PMM, not Bedini. That's all :)
I guess I am still upset about the new "Mylow Replication that works" - but didn't really work. Let's all keep trying.
With Mylow's latest measurment video, there is NO reason that a duplication should not be made to run, if everything is on the up and up.
Joe
Yep, as soon as all the replicators can align all their magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter, everything should be OK.
(Excuse me while I ROTFL my silly digital micrometer off.)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 14, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
Woah.
page 7
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/electromagnetic.pdf
As a fourteenth approach, Johnson [27] has built many novel linear and rotary
motors and at least one self-powering magnetic rotary device â€" later stolen in a
mysterious break-in at his laboratory â€" personally tested by the present author.
Johnson uses a bidirectional "two particle" theory of magnetic flux lines which
can be justified by Whittaker's earlier work showing the internal bidirectional
energy flows in all potentials and fields. He also utilizes controlled spin-waves
and self-initiated precise exchange forces, which are known to momentarily
produce bursts of very strong forcefields [28]. His approach is to use highly
nonlinear assemblies of magnets which initiate the foregoing phenomena at very
precise points in the rotation cycle. In short, he seeks to produce precisely located and directed sudden magnetic forces, using self-initiated nonlinear
magnetic phenomena. This is analogous to what the Wankel engine did using
the Lenz law effect by sharply interrupting a weak current in a external coil. We
point out that the Lenz law effect and other very abrupt field changes
momentarily produce not only an amplified Poynting energy flow component,
but also an amplified Heaviside energy flow component as well....
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
I have a question, yes. Do I really need to ask it? OK, then:
Which one of those things in that lab there can "close the loop" and run itself indefinitely, without batteries?
Answer: The train that he is showing will do this. However, Bedini either got the wrong one from Howard or has purposely disabled it. The normal operation of the train device is such that the car literally zooms out the other end. That version is still in Howard's lab. Please excuse me but the point of my including the link to the train video was for illustration of three points. 1) Bedini got the train from Howard on false pretenses. He was supposed to test it and return it 2) Bedini shows a marginally or what might be considered as a non functional device which is known to us as being fully functional. Why do you suppose that he does this? 3) The circuit of the linear track train is the same as the rotary device. hint hint.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 11:41:22 PM
page 7
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/electromagnetic.pdf
As a fourteenth approach, Johnson [27] has built many novel linear and rotary
motors and at least one self-powering magnetic rotary device â€" later stolen in a
mysterious break-in at his laboratory â€" personally tested by the present author.
Johnson uses a bidirectional "two particle" theory of magnetic flux lines which
can be justified by Whittaker's earlier work showing the internal bidirectional
energy flows in all potentials and fields. He also utilizes controlled spin-waves
and self-initiated precise exchange forces, which are known to momentarily
produce bursts of very strong forcefields [28]. His approach is to use highly
nonlinear assemblies of magnets which initiate the foregoing phenomena at very
precise points in the rotation cycle. In short, he seeks to produce precisely located and directed sudden magnetic forces, using self-initiated nonlinear
magnetic phenomena. This is analogous to what the Wankel engine did using
the Lenz law effect by sharply interrupting a weak current in a external coil. We
point out that the Lenz law effect and other very abrupt field changes
momentarily produce not only an amplified Poynting energy flow component,
but also an amplified Heaviside energy flow component as well....
That's pretty funny too.
Tom's a great read, but once you've heard it once, you've heard pretty much all. I challenge anyone to put together a coherent hypothesis that makes a testable prediction, that cannot be explained conventionally, out of his theorizing.
He said substantially the same thing as above when asked about the OCMPMM of "alsetalokin", as I recall.
Oh, and you should ask him for how long he observed HJ's motor run while he was personally testing it.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 11:54:04 PM
Answer: The train that he is showing will do this. (snip)
Close the loop and continue running indefinitely.
No, it won't.
I'm sorry, but PROVE ME WRONG by doing it. It's simple enough--according to you.
I get hostile when people make claims they cannot back up, especially when they involve perpetual motion SMOTs.
You say that train will close the loop. I won't be the only one arguing that it cannot, because we've all been down that track before.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 11:59:39 PM
That's pretty funny too.
Tom's a great read, but once you've heard it once, you've heard pretty much all. I challenge anyone to put together a coherent hypothesis that makes a testable prediction, that cannot be explained conventionally, out of his theorizing.
He said substantially the same thing as above when asked about the OCMPMM of "alsetalokin", as I recall.
Oh, and you should ask him for how long he observed HJ's motor run while he was personally testing it.
You can ask me
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
Close the loop and continue running indefinitely.
No, it won't.
I'm sorry, but PROVE ME WRONG by doing it. It's simple enough--according to you.
I get hostile when people make claims they cannot back up, especially when they involve perpetual motion SMOTs.
You say that train will close the loop. I won't be the only one arguing that it cannot, because we've all been down that track before.
Ooops, sorry but I was in error when addressing this to you. I meant to send it to someone else.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
You can ask me
I'd rather you ask Tom, since I've seen the quote where he says he saw it run only about 15 minutes, and I'd like to have him explain the discrepancy if he actually saw it run longer.
EDIT here's a quote from Tom Bearden:
"I personally saw and closely examined one demonstration rotary Johnson permanent magnet motor some years ago, and toyed with it for about one hour. It would definitely self- rotate as long as you wished to permit it to turn. "
In another location that I can't find right now, he says that he saw it run for about 15 minutes.
This is the "personal research" that Tom described in your quote. And I'm quite sure that "toying" with it is a more accurate description, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that the "toying" would be much like what I showed in my Minato Effect video.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 11:36:21 PM
Yep, as soon as all the replicators can align all their magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter, everything should be OK.
(Excuse me while I ROTFL my silly digital micrometer off.)
@ TinselKoala and all the other skeptics here in this forum:
Can you please start replicating or otherwise just STFU?
Please!
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 12:16:29 AM
I'd rather you ask Tom, since I've seen the quote where he says he saw it run only about 15 minutes, and I'd like to have him explain the discrepancy if he actually saw it run longer.
EDIT here's a quote from Tom Bearden:
"I personally saw and closely examined one demonstration rotary Johnson permanent magnet motor some years ago, and toyed with it for about one hour. It would definitely self- rotate as long as you wished to permit it to turn. "
In another location that I can't find right now, he says that he saw it run for about 15 minutes.
This is the "personal research" that Tom described in your quote. And I'm quite sure that "toying" with it is a more accurate description, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that the "toying" would be much like what I showed in my Minato Effect video.
I see what you are trying to read into this. Actually. tom was there on numerous occasions and it is likely that he had more than one experience. Additionally I might should mention that Tom did not have the same clearance as myself. You might consider not betting anything just yet.
Quote from: Albert Johnson on May 15, 2009, 12:30:39 AM
@ TinselKoala and all the other skeptics here in this forum:
Can you please start replicating or otherwise just STFU?
Please!
Yes Tensel, go back and beg the old lady for the Lazy Susan and then get to work
Quote from: Albert Johnson on May 15, 2009, 12:30:39 AM
@ TinselKoala and all the other skeptics here in this forum:
Can you please start replicating or otherwise just STFU?
Please!
My my, there, Albert, newbie, maybe you should do some homework before you start flaming. The skeptics seem to have the best "replications" so far...or maybe I should say that the best replications are making skeptics of their builders...Perhaps you'd like to check out my YT videos and tell me whether I have started replicating, yet, sufficiently enough for you?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 12:39:08 AM
Yes Tensel, go back and beg the old lady for the Lazy Susan and then get to work
I've got more real data than you can shake a stick at. Maybe you need to get to work and produce some real repeatable demonstratable data yourself. Or maybe you are just too busy aligning your magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter.
Now here I thought we were having a dialog about substantive issues. So far I have heard you make several unsubstantiated claims, I have countered with evidence and quotes, you come back with talk of "high level clearance". Now you want to talk nonsense.
OK, forget about it. Just PROVE ME WRONG, or even show the least little evidence that you are right about any of the things you say. Or that I am wrong about anything I say.
I'm still waiting for you to show evidence that that train will close the loop, since you claim it will.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 12:46:24 AM
My my, there, Albert, newbie, maybe you should do some homework before you start flaming. The skeptics seem to have the best "replications" so far...or maybe I should say that the best replications are making skeptics of their builders...Perhaps you'd like to check out my YT videos and tell me whether I have started replicating, yet, sufficiently enough for you?
Think I'll butt in here. Please post some links for us:)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 12:50:44 AM
I've got more real data than you can shake a stick at. Maybe you need to get to work and produce some real repeatable demonstratable data yourself. Or maybe you are just too busy aligning your magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter.
Now here I thought we were having a dialog about substantive issues. So far I have heard you make several unsubstantiated claims, I have countered with evidence and quotes, you come back with talk of "high level clearance". Now you want to talk nonsense.
OK, forget about it. Just PROVE ME WRONG, or even show the least little evidence that you are right about any of the things you say. Or that I am wrong about anything I say.
I'm still waiting for you to show evidence that that train will close the loop, since you claim it will.
What evidence? I see no evidence. I have no evidence. John Bedini has it and wont give it back.
Queue's replication fell flat. Same bar magnets, same stators, same platter. I won't kick myself for ordering the stuff the same day Queue comes out of hiding to post a video, but honestly such a discrepancy between Mylow's results and Queue's is nutso. Granted, Mylow posted a vid showing his inability to get it running himself, but come on. What is it, some sort of south-of-the-Great-Lakes only arrangement? Wait a second... Chicago...windy city... sailboats.... deep dish pizza.... hold on I think I got it... Al Capone... da Bulls... wait...
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 01:10:07 AM
Queue's replication fell flat. Same bar magnets, same stators, same platter. I won't kick myself for ordering the stuff the same day Queue comes out of hiding to post a video, but honestly such a discrepancy between Mylow's results and Queue's is nutso. Granted, Mylow posted a vid showing his inability to get it running himself, but come on. What is it, some sort of south-of-the-Great-Lakes only arrangement? Wait a second... Chicago...windy city... sailboats.... deep dish pizza.... hold on I think I got it... Al Capone... da Bulls... wait...
Oh, don't be a woosie. Can you send us a link to the video?
I've just read the last few pages. This is absurd. No one on this entire board has seen anything but a video. No one on this board knows whether or not it is real. Why do we have to replicate it. Why can't he just allow someone to come to his house and see it. I can't believe all of the time and effort that is being spent when an independent person could validate it in a matter of minutes.
I believe there are things that we have not figured out yet in this world. Maybe Mylow has stumbled on to something. But, this is going down the same path as we have all seen time and time again.
Fred
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 01:08:31 AM
John Bedini has it and wont give it back.
??????
Has what?
I was just told this below, by someone in an argument, and guess what mylow just posted a bit ago. The person that told me this is a believer.
This was in reference to the rotor magnet spacing being derived from the stator gap as a reference
Magluvin, you seem to be putting words into Mylows mouth that are not there. Listen carefully (as if you haven't heard that 100 times from him already), the gap is a reference, don't exceed it.
Now watch this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXouIqb_Ao4&feature=channel_page
"the gap is a reference, don't exceed it."
Even Mylow was surprised here. Go Mylow! go away.
These are the constant discrepancies that put me on TKs side. Mylow doesnt seem to understand that these are valid complaints. Is he tripping up, or is what he says "100 times" just bull? Or is he just foolish at times? Yes foolish for posting vids that contradict what he preaches.
Why is it that so many people just let these things just fly by them, and keep having so much trust? Hypnosis? Power of suggestion?
Magluvin
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 15, 2009, 02:10:20 AM
??????
Has what?
[/quothas Howard Johnson's stuff and won't give it back. It is an illustration of what happens when you get the wrong people to verify and test your stuff..... more?
ok so After a Few Hours of messing with my own Magnet motor i come to think this is Not imposible... what i did notice is that Mylow must of found the Loop/Trick to this and well to be truth full. its not easy.
it may Look easy But its not Good luck all.
FOUND THIS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFQBh-trwKI
Quote from: Giga on May 15, 2009, 02:41:16 AM
FOUND THIS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFQBh-trwKI
Good try but still half baked! maybe there should be another over-one-complete revolution prize for the first replicator? Hello Stefan?
cheers
chrisC
Hiya ALf, Since that person didn't take you up on your offer, can i ask instead m8 ? ;)
How long a time period, at one sitting i mean, did you watch one of Mr. Johnson's all magnet motor devices continuously rotate?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 01:10:07 AM
Queue's replication fell flat. Same bar magnets, same stators, same platter. I won't kick myself for ordering the stuff the same day Queue comes out of hiding to post a video, but honestly such a discrepancy between Mylow's results and Queue's is nutso. Granted, Mylow posted a vid showing his inability to get it running himself, but come on. What is it, some sort of south-of-the-Great-Lakes only arrangement? Wait a second... Chicago...windy city... sailboats.... deep dish pizza.... hold on I think I got it... Al Capone... da Bulls... wait...
Hang on fellows,
Mylow has said he is replicating Howard Johnson. So far he has done exactly that !
In over 30 years Howard Johnson made a lot of noise without ever producing anything usable. He made an awful lot of money selling licenses to his non working technology and a lot of people got bitten. Howard Johnson lived very very well off the proceeds.
Mylow is yet to do this, the money making bit that is.
No one can criticise Mylow. He is replicating Johnson so far perfectly.
Hans von Lieven
Leave my grammar out of it, she's done nothing to you.
I'm not going to list all his contradictions, but I will give you two outstanding ones, yeah sure sterling come on over and see my device, oops, had to meet in restaurant, being watched by spooks ::), yeah sure come on over PMMTester, I'll show you the motor, oh dear, too sad after visiting the grave, cannot show you my motor.
But hey, go ahead, keep believing his excuses, the time will come when he will either be exposed as a hoax or he will fade into obscurity as so many others of his ilk have, I'll even bet on it.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 14, 2009, 10:48:46 PM
Please reconsider what you represent as fact and work on the grammar a little. The truth is that Mylow did not just come bursting out of nowhere. I am not aware of the 'contradictions' that you mention. What contradictions? He may have said that he would show his device through a particular venue and by way of a particular individual/group. However he became leary of that individual/group and the proposed venue. He then confided in a person with unique experience in that area of concern and came to realize that a different approach was needed due to the inept character of the previous individuals. As an example, here is what happens when you trust the wrong people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NA8LQaS-0 - - - Questions?
Sterling is selling plans to the Mylow replication and hes quite the Mylow fan, at this point I'm saying nothing, but what a sweet setup.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 15, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
Hang on fellows,
Mylow has said he is replicating Howard Johnson. So far he has done exactly that !
In over 30 years Howard Johnson made a lot of noise without ever producing anything usable. He made an awful lot of money selling licenses to his non working technology and a lot of people got bitten. Howard Johnson lived very very well off the proceeds.
Mylow is yet to do this, the money making bit that is.
No one can criticise Mylow. He is replicating Johnson so far perfectly.
Hans von Lieven
@MYLOW, U had me at "I dont give a shit", its about time u brot the heat!! Build it and they shall come.
@ Sterlinga, Thanx 4 ur interest ( $$) ?
not my build yet, but just for u Mylow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HamYkYE5sw
Forgot to ask, how is old Tom Bearden these days, is he still getting zapped in the head by energy beams?
@Hans , I can blame Mylow, I supported him on his first vid before i started thread, he "Disssed my support!!!"
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 15, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
Hang on fellows,
Mylow has said he is replicating Howard Johnson. So far he has done exactly that !
In over 30 years Howard Johnson made a lot of noise without ever producing anything usable. He made an awful lot of money selling licenses to his non working technology and a lot of people got bitten. Howard Johnson lived very very well off the proceeds.
Mylow is yet to do this, the money making bit that is.
No one can criticise Mylow. He is replicating Johnson so far perfectly.
Hans von Lieven
WOW! where did you get this information? Can you send a link to it or something?
Didn't anyone here at all notice his incorrect use of the digital calipers 2:50 into the video?, sorry guys, your replications are going to fail because Mylow did not have the capacity to think about switching the calipers to his left hand!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:21:08 AM
Didn't anyone here at all notice his incorrect use of the digital calipers 2:50 into the video?, sorry guys, your replications are going to fail because Mylow did not have the capacity to think about switching the calipers to his left hand!
Lol, and then he would have readings turned upside-down?
Just imagine the enormous problems to decipher the results...
Cheers, RB!
he used the jaws that give outside measurements to measure inside measurements, the readings would not be accurate, he attempted to line up the measurement using the points of the jaws relying on his sight.
Not upside down, inaccurate.
Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 04:31:41 AM
Lol, and then he would have readings turned upside-down?
Just imagine the enormous problems to decipher the results...
Cheers, RB!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:36:03 AM
he used the jaws that give outside measurements to measure inside measurements, the readings would not be accurate, he attempted to line up the measurement using the points of the jaws relying on his sight.
Not upside down, inaccurate.
I know what you were pointing at, I poked about numbers being turned upside down, like 10.1 "becoming" 1.01...
Quote from: Giga on May 15, 2009, 02:41:16 AM
FOUND THIS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFQBh-trwKI
Good job Giga. It looks very promising!
That's promising?
I'll give the guy his due for his replication, nice setup, but all I saw in that video is the usual, rotates for a moment getting passed the sticky point with initial momentum and then?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 04:42:52 AM
Good job Giga. It looks very promising!
Yes, I realized after I posted, please excuse me, I'm still waking up.
Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 04:40:06 AM
I know what you were pointing at, I poked about numbers being turned upside down, like 10.1 "becoming" 1.01...
@RunningBare
Good morning, then! Have a cup of coffee and a ciggie (if I remember correctly).
It's been a while since we last "talked"... (adding a pirate banner to your avatar on 'that' site)...
Anyway, good to "see" you again!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:50:16 AM
That's promising?
I'll give the guy his due for his replication, nice setup, but all I saw in that video is the usual, rotates for a moment getting passed the sticky point with initial momentum and then?
Yes, it is promising. When you learn to recognize certain behavioral characteristics you can tell pretty much if it is going to work. I was providing this information for your personal edification. Please let me know if you would like to be excluded from further information.
I so totally agree with you, it has an outstanding behavioral pattern, oddly it matches all those other outstanding behavioral patterns from PMM's.of this type.
When you learn to recognize how many times this has been done, how long it's been done for, then you can come to me and say "when you learn"
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 06:26:09 AM
Yes, it is promising. When you learn to recognize certain behavioral characteristics you can tell pretty much if it is going to work. I was providing this information for your personal edification. Please let me know if you would like to be excluded from further information.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 06:35:08 AM
I so totally agree with you, it has an outstanding behavioral pattern, oddly it matches all those other outstanding behavioral patterns from PMM's.of this type.
When you learn to recognize how many times this has been done, how long it's been done for, then you can come to me and say "when you learn"
I do believe that I know all these things you speak of. I apologize for taking your time. I will not send you any further information when it becomes available:)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:50:16 AM
That's promising?
I'll give the guy his due for his replication, nice setup, but all I saw in that video is the usual, rotates for a moment getting passed the sticky point with initial momentum and then?
Oh, I see here that I was not even addressing you Runningbare.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 01:48:16 AM
Oh, don't be a woosie. Can you send us a link to the video?
No woosie here. Just alot of failed attempts, and now a failed attempt with i-d-e-n-t-i-c-a-l- magnets/ platter. Queue is no dummy, enough is enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk&feature=channel_page
I apologies if I offended you, but I don't like being treated like a newbie, I've been around this scene for several years now with replications of my own.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 06:42:31 AM
I do believe that I know all these things you speak of. I apologize for taking your time. I will not send you any further information when it becomes available:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk&feature=channel_page
I did not watch it past the first few seconds because the gap between stator magnets were nearly twice the gap distance between the stator magnets. Kind of like sending in your yr end taxes in with out signing it. It gets kicked back till it's signed then some one will look at it.
My, a lot happens while I sleep. I guess I'll have to stop doing that.
ALFPARTS, you showed a video of a train, and some other items in a certain lab, and you asked if there were questions. I asked if anything shown would close the loop, and you said, YES, the train.
I challenged you, and you finally said, well, not THAT train, the original train is in HJ's lab and Bedini kept a different train--but what it boils down to is that the answer to my question is "NO, none of them", not what you said.
You said that Tom Bearden researched the HJ motor and implied that he vetted it. I posted a direct quote from Tom himself describing the nature and duration of his "research" with HJ's rotary device which, shall we say, was a little less emphatic than your representation. I asked you how long Tom watched the motor run (I say, from Tom's own words, 15 minutes max) and you don't answer clearly. Someone else asks you how long YOU saw HJ's motor run and you don't answer at all.
You said in another earlier post that Mylow had NOT come up with 10 (or was it 11) different magnet configurations. I asked you to justify this, since by my count he HAS made that many different ones work, and you came up with the "Hail Mary Pass" of all explanations: They may look different and have different physical characteristics, but on some esoteric plane all his configurations are the same and are just like HJ's train.
You haven't come up with one shred of proof or support for your contentions, you ask for links that you could easily find for yourself (here's one for you: www.google.com , and here's another: www.youtube.com ) and you flame experienced researchers like RB "by accident", you've posted no real data of your own, and you seem to get all excited about circular SMOTs that can't even get out of their own way.
You came out of nowhere a couple weeks ago yet you are setting yourself up as a magnet motor expert, even though it is clear that you are a HJ disciple, at the very least.
Have I summarized the situation adequately?
And, instead of addressing issues, you join the flamers.
So, I have another question. Whassup witchoo, anyway?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:21:08 AM
Didn't anyone here at all notice his incorrect use of the digital calipers 2:50 into the video?, sorry guys, your replications are going to fail because Mylow did not have the capacity to think about switching the calipers to his left hand!
I noticed, all right.
I chuckled myself to sleep, thinking about all those replicators, aligning all those magnets to the one-hundredth of a millimeter, waiting for the glue to set--oops, did that one move? Have to redo it, I guess...
Well, in all fairness I think some of the replicators may not be familiar with the metric system, and don't quite realize just what a hundredth of a millimeter really is. Let's see: One millimeter is about 0.040 inch. So one tenth of a millimeter is about 0.004 inch. And one hundredth of a millimeter (as in "The gap is 15.16 millimeters here") is about 0.0004 inch. Four ten-thousandths of an inch.
Now, if your replication has magnets that are 15.15 mm, or 15.17 mm apart, will your replication be "exact" enough to work?
Well, OK, good luck. I have some experience working with close tolerances. You'll need it.
(I wonder what that is in RCHs? ;) )
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 06:50:30 AM
No woosie here. Just alot of failed attempts, and now a failed attempt with i-d-e-n-t-i-c-a-l- magnets/ platter. Queue is no dummy, enough is enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk&feature=channel_page
So, instead of "Skeptics make inaccurate replications" the true headline is more like "Accurate replications make Skeptics"?
Maybe queue got one of his magnets a few hundredths of a millimeter out of position. They are tricky things, you know, magnets: each one has to be handled as a sensitive individual or they won't cooperate. Sort of like magnet motor builders, in fact.
EDIT: I just checked the comments on Q's excellent vid. Do you note that his blank disk, without magnets, takes 21 minutes, that's twenty-one minutes, to run down from 200 rpm? That's longer than most "working" magnet motors have been observed to work continuously, even HJ's original rotary device. Even Mylow's magic motors.
But he is already being accused of not getting the dimensions right. Is a 17 3/8 inch disk significantly different from an 18 inch disk, enough to make it not run? Is a 0.01 millimeter discrepancy in magnet position enough to make it not run? Apparently. "Please reposition the magnets and try again" says a commenter, who clearly has never glued a magnet to a disk and has no idea what a hundredth of a millimeter is.
Or maybe there's another reason it doesn't run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw7D5-PUXO8
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 07:39:46 AM
So, instead of "Skeptics make inaccurate replications" the true headline is more like "Accurate replications make Skeptics"?
Maybe queue got one of his magnets a few hundredths of a millimeter out of position. They are tricky things, you know, magnets: each one has to be handled as a sensitive individual or they won't cooperate. Sort of like magnet motor builders, in fact.
EDIT: I just checked the comments on Q's excellent vid. Do you note that his blank disk, without magnets, takes 21 minutes, that's twenty-one minutes, to run down from 200 rpm? That's longer than most "working" magnet motors have been observed to work continuously, even HJ's original rotary device. Even Mylow's magic motors.
But he is already being accused of not getting the dimensions right. Is a 17 3/8 inch disk significantly different from an 18 inch disk, enough to make it not run? Is a 0.01 millimeter discrepancy in magnet position enough to make it not run? Apparently. "Please reposition the magnets and try again" says a commenter, who clearly has never glued a magnet to a disk and has no idea what a hundredth of a millimeter is.
Or maybe there's another reason it doesn't run.
You are like watching the only sober guy in a room full of drunks.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 07:24:39 AM
My, a lot happens while I sleep. I guess I'll have to stop doing that.
ALFPARTS, you showed a video of a train, and some other items in a certain lab, and you asked if there were questions. I asked if anything shown would close the loop, and you said, YES, the train.
I challenged you, and you finally said, well, not THAT train, the original train is in HJ's lab and Bedini kept a different train--but what it boils down to is that the answer to my question is "NO, none of them", not what you said.
You said that Tom Bearden researched the HJ motor and implied that he vetted it. I posted a direct quote from Tom himself describing the nature and duration of his "research" with HJ's rotary device which, shall we say, was a little less emphatic than your representation. I asked you how long Tom watched the motor run (I say, from Tom's own words, 15 minutes max) and you don't answer clearly. Someone else asks you how long YOU saw HJ's motor run and you don't answer at all.
You said in another earlier post that Mylow had NOT come up with 10 (or was it 11) different magnet configurations. I asked you to justify this, since by my count he HAS made that many different ones work, and you came up with the "Hail Mary Pass" of all explanations: They may look different and have different physical characteristics, but on some esoteric plane all his configurations are the same and are just like HJ's train.
You haven't come up with one shred of proof or support for your contentions, you ask for links that you could easily find for yourself (here's one for you: www.google.com , and here's another: www.youtube.com ) and you flame experienced researchers like RB "by accident", you've posted no real data of your own, and you seem to get all excited about circular SMOTs that can't even get out of their own way.
You came out of nowhere a couple weeks ago yet you are setting yourself up as a magnet motor expert, even though it is clear that you are a HJ disciple, at the very least.
Have I summarized the situation adequately?
And, instead of addressing issues, you join the flamers.
So, I have another question. Whassup witchoo, anyway?
Tinsel,
Your representation of the written text is skewed and thus the representation of the facts expressly implied by that that text is skewed as a result. This indicates either the lack of ability to convey information accurately or the blantant intention of spreading disinformation. Your videos and accompanying narratives also indicate likewise. There is another name for such actions.
You see me appear out of the blue, as you say, because I decided to temporarily join this forum for the purpose of finding those who want to do good in this world. However, I didn't just jump off the boat as some might mistakenly think or say, based on my member status. There is no obligation to prove myself to anyone, especially here in this forum or to anybody for that matter.
I do not have time to argue with every sociopathic paid government shill that comes along. I am simply here to collect the co-venture of worthy individuals who want the information that I have and that which I have unique access to. Sorry, but I don't share it with just every single person I meet. Can you read between the lines without misrepresenting the facts as to what was said here?
Also my sudden appearance here does not mean that I just got off the boat.
My work concerning the actual mechanical construction phase of these motors started long ago and ended about ten years ago. Been there, done that, as they say. When I see the motor running after thirty years the thrill is still there but it is largely replaced now by objective caution. This motor that everyone is fretting over is merely a toy from a practical mechanical standpoint. Very few people understand why it needs to be replicated even in it's simplest form. This is the first time that I have admitted such to any forum.
Further, I am not a 'disciple' of Howard Johnson as you say. If I were good enough spiritually maybe I'd be a disciple of God though. Yes, I believe in God but I am not some cult follower of crop circles or other such things, though I do have my pro opinions about such things as it pertains to technological awareness.
As for my attacks: I feel that they are warranted. You have no idea what has taken place and I seriously doubt that you have had business dealings with RB or TB. You might consider RB to be an exceptional researcher. I think that he is a brilliant man. I also think that TB is likewise a brilliant man, even after his academic scandal. However, 'exceptional' and 'brilliant' are not synonymous with 'moral'
I think that tells us enough about you, have a nice life.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
I do not have time to argue with every sociopathic paid government shill that comes along.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 08:23:22 AM
I think that tells us enough about you, have a nice life.
BTW, where is the sociopathic paid government shill forum again? Oh, that's right over at Steorn.com.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
Tinsel,
Your representation of the written text is skewed and thus the representation of the facts expressly implied by that that text is skewed as a result. This indicates either the lack of ability to convey information accurately or the blantant intention of spreading disinformation. Your videos and accompanying narratives also indicate likewise. There is another name for such actions.
You see me appear out of the blue, as you say, because I decided to temporarily join this forum for the purpose of finding those who want to do good in this world. However, I didn't just jump off the boat as some might mistakenly think or say, based on my member status. There is no obligation to prove myself to anyone, especially here in this forum or to anybody for that matter.
I do not have time to argue with every sociopathic paid government shill that comes along. I am simply here to collect the co-venture of worthy individuals who want the information that I have and that which I have unique access to. Sorry, but I don't share it with just every single person I meet. Can you read between the lines without misrepresenting the facts as to what was said here?
Also my sudden appearance here does not mean that I just got off the boat.
My work concerning the actual mechanical construction phase of these motors started long ago and ended about ten years ago. Been there, done that, as they say. When I see the motor running after thirty years the thrill is still there but it is largely replaced now by objective caution. This motor that everyone is fretting over is merely a toy from a practical mechanical standpoint. Very few people understand why it needs to be replicated even in it's simplest form. This is the first time that I have admitted such to any forum.
Further, I am not a 'disciple' of Howard Johnson as you say. If I were good enough spiritually maybe I'd be a disciple of God though. Yes, I believe in God but I am not some cult follower of crop circles or other such things, though I do have my pro opinions about such things as it pertains to technological awareness.
As for my attacks: I feel that they are warranted. You have no idea what has taken place and I seriously doubt that you have had business dealings with RB or TB. You might consider RB to be an exceptional researcher. I think that he is a brilliant man. I also think that TB is likewise a brilliant man, even after his academic scandal. However, 'exceptional' and 'brilliant' are not synonymous with 'moral'
Oh, I forgot something. Precision motors and solid state drive systems have been the core of my work for the last thirty-five years. My magmotor participation started in 1978 as being Howard's gopher.
You know, it's quite rude to quote yourself just because you think it might be missed a page ago.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
I'll be up front mate, the worse thing for the FE group is government, MiB, spooks, (call them what you will) conspiracy theories, they are the ones that really make this group look bad, more so than any skeptic.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 15, 2009, 08:25:42 AM
BTW, where is the sociopathic paid government shill forum again? Oh, that's right over at Steorn.com.
@ALFPARTS: you said:
"Your representation of the written text is skewed and thus the representation of the facts expressly implied by that that text is skewed as a result. This indicates either the lack of ability to convey information accurately or the blantant intention of spreading disinformation. Your videos and accompanying narratives also indicate likewise. There is another name for such actions."
Now you are really going to have to support your accusations. How is my representation of the written text skewed? I can give the links to what you said, unless you've gone back and edited them (that happens a lot around here at the MiniTrue). You accuse me in my videos of either being unable to convey information accurately or blatant disinformation.
Please give a link to where I make a single inaccurate statement or misrepresentation of fact -- or where you are having difficulty following my explanations -- in any of my 50 or so videos. I'm sure there are lots of readers who would like to see those links.
And, once again, you choose not to answer the direct question that was asked: How long did you personally witness HJ's rotary device running without intervention?
You said:
"Your videos and accompanying narratives also indicate likewise. There is another name for such actions"
So you should be able to say, "In your video XXXX, you say at time t=n, blah blah blah. This is incorrect (unclear, false, a lie, disinformation) because this (give link) refutes you (explains more clearly, tells the truth, etc.)"
I am eagerly awaiting your corrections, there, ALFPARTS.
You said:
"I do not have time to argue with every sociopathic paid government shill that comes along. I am simply here to collect the co-venture of worthy individuals who want the information that I have and that which I have unique access to. Sorry, but I don't share it with just every single person I meet. Can you read between the lines without misrepresenting the facts as to what was said here?"
Apparently you do have sufficient enough time. Can I read between the lines? Yes. Can you tell me exactly where I misrepresented the facts as to what was said here?
1) did you NOT say that Mylow had NOT made 10 or eleven different configs run?
2) did you NOT give the explanation that they might be different-looking but fundamentally they were the same?
3) did you NOT say that the train would close the loop?
4) did you ever answer the question about how long YOU saw HJ's motor run without intervention?
and so forth.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 15, 2009, 08:16:29 AM
You are like watching the only sober guy in a room full of drunks.
Yeah, that's me, the "designated skeptic."
I'll take that as a compliment.
Now, where did I put that beverage...
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 09:18:12 AM
I'll take that as a compliment.
Oh it most certainly is. But don't you have like an Archer Quinn/Mondrasek deja vu about all of this?
I can't wait until someone fakes a replication too. That should set the world on fire.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 08:41:05 AM
I'll be up front mate, the worse thing for the FE group is government, MiB, spooks, (call them what you will) conspiracy theories, they are the ones that really make this group look bad, more so than any skeptic.
That's probably of some merit but top ignore the reality of it is very naive. also, I did not intend to reduplicate a post that I had made. I assure you that it was not intentional and that I will correct it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 07:39:46 AM
So, instead of "Skeptics make inaccurate replications" the true headline is more like "Accurate replications make Skeptics"?
Maybe queue got one of his magnets a few hundredths of a millimeter out of position. They are tricky things, you know, magnets: each one has to be handled as a sensitive individual or they won't cooperate. Sort of like magnet motor builders, in fact.
EDIT: I just checked the comments on Q's excellent vid. Do you note that his blank disk, without magnets, takes 21 minutes, that's twenty-one minutes, to run down from 200 rpm? That's longer than most "working" magnet motors have been observed to work continuously, even HJ's original rotary device. Even Mylow's magic motors.
But he is already being accused of not getting the dimensions right. Is a 17 3/8 inch disk significantly different from an 18 inch disk, enough to make it not run? Is a 0.01 millimeter discrepancy in magnet position enough to make it not run? Apparently. "Please reposition the magnets and try again" says a commenter, who clearly has never glued a magnet to a disk and has no idea what a hundredth of a millimeter is.
Or maybe there's another reason it doesn't run.
Sorry, Queue´s stators are glued ÃNCORRECTLY. Please check carefully, he should lower the lower one about 8 mm to create the correct offset.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 15, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
Oh it most certainly is. But don't you have like an Archer Quinn/Mondrasek deja vu about all of this?
I can't wait until someone fakes a replication too. That should set the world on fire.
Yep, definitely deja vu all over again.
Speaking of setting the world on fire, I just accidentally overdischarged a 60 dollar LiPo battery--the darn stub axle was running so smooth I forgot about it and went to sleep. Good thing those batteries are so small...but they are expensive.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 15, 2009, 06:59:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk&feature=channel_page
I did not watch it past the first few seconds because the gap between stator magnets were nearly twice the gap distance between the stator magnets. Kind of like sending in your yr end taxes in with out signing it. It gets kicked back till it's signed then some one will look at it.
EXACTLY. Let´s not drop the ball.
@ALFPARTS:
"Further, I am not a 'disciple' of Howard Johnson as you say."
I stand corrected, and I apologize. I didn't mean to insult, and now you have a clear example where I actually misrepresented what you said.
You in fact said you were his "gopher".
I'd rather be called a "disciple" than a go-fer, but that's just me.
I never ignore the reality there are evil and greedy people in this world, I just ignore the screwed up conspiracy theories surrounding them, so far on these forums or any FE forum there has been nothing, nade, zilch to threaten them, unless of course you can show me a free energy machine that actually works, and I aint talking about a windmill!
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 15, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
That's probably of some merit but top ignore the reality of it is very naive. also, I did not intend to reduplicate a post that I had made. I assure you that it was not intentional and that I will correct it.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 15, 2009, 09:37:41 AM
Sorry, Queue´s stators are glued ÃNCORRECTLY. Please check carefully, he should lower the lower one about 8 mm to create the correct offset.
Come on, let's be precise. Mylow's given accurate dimensions ( at least as accurate as you can get using a digital caliper like it was a C-clamp), so the replicators, who were insisting on accurate measurements, should be trying to comply. So that should be "about 8.02" millimeters, or something like that there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88at4UBp48
Oh dear, another one grinding to a halt, like his build though, very original, not even copying Mylow, bet he had to put his key ring somewhere safe away from all those magnets.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 09:56:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88at4UBp48
If your going to replicate Mylows set up then do it.
Queue showed us the stator then set the bar on edge with the stators no where to be sceen, then 6 min's of him pushing the thing around with a pencil?
The other one from rdelos1disequade, well if you can't see the flaws in that one then there just no reasoning with you.
It just seems like there are some that just need the attention like the Kid in the back of the room jumping up and down, waving his arm like crazy and shouting "LOOK AT ME-LOOK AT ME". its getting old.
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 10:20:43 AM
If your going to replicate Mylows set up then do it.
Queue showed us the stator then set the bar on edge with the stators no where to be sceen, then 6 min's of him pushing the thing around with a pencil?
The other one from rdelos1disequade, well if you can't see the flaws in that one then there just no reasoning with you.
It just seems like there are some that just need the attention like the Kid in the back of the room jumping up and down, waving his arm like crazy and shouting "LOOK AT ME-LOOK AT ME". its getting old.
So, you think Queue spent hundreds/thousands of dollars to get all this stuff, shows the stator magnets, then wastes his time flawlessly splicing video so he can fool everyone into thinking he's using stators after they've been removed? Lol.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 09:03:24 AM
@ALFPARTS: you said:
"Your representation of the written text is skewed and thus the representation of the facts expressly implied by that that text is skewed as a result. This indicates either the lack of ability to convey information accurately or the blantant intention of spreading disinformation. Your videos and accompanying narratives also indicate likewise. There is another name for such actions."
Now you are really going to have to support your accusations. How is my representation of the written text skewed? I can give the links to what you said, unless you've gone back and edited them (that happens a lot around here at the MiniTrue). You accuse me in my videos of either being unable to convey information accurately or blatant disinformation.
Please give a link to where I make a single inaccurate statement or misrepresentation of fact -- or where you are having difficulty following my explanations -- in any of my 50 or so videos. I'm sure there are lots of readers who would like to see those links.
And, once again, you choose not to answer the direct question that was asked: How long did you personally witness HJ's rotary device running without intervention?
Sorry about not responding to your questions as quickly as you might expect.
approximately sixteen hours at one single stretch while in the same room - constant equiv load = 25 kgf-m/s
But I suppose that's really not significant to you.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 10:41:34 AM
So, you think Queue spent hundreds/thousands of dollars to get all this stuff, shows the stator magnets, then wastes his time flawlessly splicing video so he can fool everyone into thinking he's using stators after they've been removed? Lol.
No, look at the vid., he shows the 2 stator magnets on the wider flat side of the bar then he sets it on the narrow edge with the stator magnets no where to be found? He didn't splice anything he sets the stator magnets off to the side out of the frame on edge?
Am I seeing this wrong? The magnets are off to the left of that little wall and the Bar is up on it edge. As far as money, hundred and thousands of dollars? Well I don't know his motivation and that's my point, LOOK AT ME.
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
No, look at the vid., he shows the 2 stator magnets on the wider flat side of the bar then he sets it on the narrow edge with the stator magnets no where to be found? He didn't splice anything he sets the stator magnets off to the side out of the frame on edge?
Am I seeing this wrong? The magnets are off to the left of that little wall and the Bar is up on it edge. As far as money, hundred and thousands of dollars? Well I don't know his motivation and that's my point, LOOK AT ME.
Yes, you're seeing it wrong. Queue has spent $$$. His motivation is to reproduce a functional permanent magnet motor. Looks like it ain't happening.
He spent how much??!! How come I can never find customers like that I have lots of stuff i can mark up 1000 percent. I'll even buy him lunch with his first 100k order.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 15, 2009, 11:06:45 AM
He spent how much??!! How come I can never find customers like that I have lots of stuff i can mark up 1000 percent. I'll even buy him lunch with his first 100k order.
Lol
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 11:04:09 AM
Yes, you're seeing it wrong. Queue has spent $$$. His motivation is to reproduce a functional permanent magnet motor. Looks like it ain't happening.
Well he dosn't clearly show how the magnet are positioned so It hard to say if the reproduction is valid.
There is plenty of yelling and waving of the arm's to go around it's not intended for this one repo, its all over the Net and right here.
Pete
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 11:22:33 AM
Well he dosn't clearly show how the magnet are positioned so It hard to say if the reproduction is valid.
There is plenty of yelling and waving of the arm's to go around it's not intended for this one repo, its all over the Net and right here.
Pete
Because everyone whines if the entire disk isn't in full view. Take a look at all of his videos, Queue isn't in it to pull a fast one. And I can think of far better ways to get an ego boost than to show the world that you wasted your money and couldn't get it to work.. If this WERE valid, the best possible way to fight suppression would be exactly what's happening, many people showing their efforts in the public domain.
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
No, look at the vid., he shows the 2 stator magnets on the wider flat side of the bar then he sets it on the narrow edge with the stator magnets no where to be found? He didn't splice anything he sets the stator magnets off to the side out of the frame on edge?
Am I seeing this wrong? The magnets are off to the left of that little wall and the Bar is up on it edge. As far as money, hundred and thousands of dollars? Well I don't know his motivation and that's my point, LOOK AT ME.
Stator mags look a bit too close to each other. Yep, too close.
WOW,
I go away for a couple days and everbody goes crazy. I do not know how anybody can not understand TK. From his videos to his comments seem to be dead on. What I can not understand is all the dreamers that can not look at things in a scientific way. What I like to do when theorizing on things is take a piece of paper, and on that paper draw a line down the center. On the left side I write reasons my idea will not work. On the right side reasons why it will.
This next paragraph is the left side.
EDDIE CURRENT BRAKE: people try to explain some magical way that he is able to get around this. It is either the rotor magnets block the stator from getting to the aluminum. Lets not forget the two gaps in between the two groups of magnets, and how about the configuration with the six magnets. I suppose the six magnets flux is creating a forcefield protecting the whole plate. Or that the stator magnet is far enough away from aluminum to affect it. If the stator is strong enough to pull on the rotors they will be strong enough to reach the aluminum.
Next, everybody forgets about the strongest point between two or more magnets. Lets close our eyes and imagine. The strongest point between two magnets is the shortest distance. The shortest distance in mylows motor is a 90 degree angle between the stator and the rotor. Now that point is stronger than any other on his motor. Why you ask? The strongest point of attraction(shortest distance) between the stator and the first rotor magnet is more than the attraction of the stator and the rest of rotors in line because most of the magnetic flux of the stator and rotor is pulled together leaving little to none to pull on the next magnet. Do not forget also right beside the attraction pole on the stator is a repelling pole pushing each rotor magnet the wrong way first.
I think for now that is enough on the left side of the paper. Now for the right side................................????????????????????????? I got nothing!!!
P.S. DAVID COPPERFIELD CALLED ,HE WANTS HIS MAGIC ACT BACK.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 15, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
WOW,
I go away for a couple days and everbody goes crazy. I do not know how anybody can not understand TK. From his videos to his comments seem to be dead on. What I can not understand is all the dreamers that can not look at things in a scientific way. What I like to do when theorizing on things is take a piece of paper, and on that paper draw a line down the center. On the left side I write reasons my idea will not work. On the right side reasons why it will.
This next paragraph is the left side.
EDDIE CURRENT BRAKE: people try to explain some magical way that he is able to get around this. It is either the rotor magnets block the stator from getting to the aluminum. Lets not forget the two gaps in between the two groups of magnets, and how about the configuration with the six magnets. I suppose the six magnets flux is creating a forcefield protecting the whole plate. Or that the stator magnet is far enough away from aluminum to affect it. If the stator is strong enough to pull on the rotors they will be strong enough to reach the aluminum.
Next, everybody forgets about the strongest point between two or more magnets. Lets close our eyes and imagine. The strongest point between two magnets is the shortest distance. The shortest distance in mylows motor is a 90 degree angle between the stator and the rotor. Now that point is stronger than any other on his motor. Why you ask? The strongest point of attraction(shortest distance) between the stator and the first rotor magnet is more than the attraction of the stator and the rest of rotors in line because most of the magnetic flux of the stator and rotor is pulled together leaving little to none to pull on the next magnet. Do not forget also right beside the attraction pole on the stator is a repelling pole pushing each rotor magnet the wrong way first.
I think for now that is enough on the left side of the paper. Now for the right side................................????????????????????????? I got nothing!!!
P.S. DAVID COPPERFIELD CALLED ,HE WANTS HIS MAGIC ACT BACK.
That's scientific? It look's more like your understanding of magnet's, not that its wrong I'm no scientist never claimed to be one. Just saying your ideas are science does not make it scientific.
What kind of Degree does DAVID COPPERFIELD Have?
Oh well keep waving your arm's some one will see you!
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
That's scientific? It look's more like your understanding of magnet's, not that its wrong I'm no scientist never claimed to be one. Just saying your ideas are science does not make it scientific.
What kind of Degree does DAVID COPPERFIELD Have?
Oh well keep waving your arm's some one will see you!
Everthing that is in my statement has allready been proved in science, and it is more scientific than randomly spacing magnets on a plate. As for DAVID COPPERFIELD who needs a degree when you have magic.
@wow this thread is becoming the Kingdom of PCHeroes. Just great cause they know it all, have done it all, have all the answers and are so willing to let us know what they THINK. Just great.
@queue
Good one again but I think there is the stator spacing and rotor spacing need some tweeking. I am ordering my magnets today from allmagnetics, same as you and Mylow. I will have my alomst identical Mylow wheel by wednesday. Just in maching it will cost some good bucks. So guys yes this build is pretty expensinve when all is said and done so try not to bash the only guy that can help us with our replications. Some of you have nothing to lose here so I suggest you keep the tone down and not f*&k it up for the builders.
@TK
Are you going for the special Overunity Most Posts Award in May. The prize will be a nice fitting straight jacket to keep your hands off your keyboard. lol
Added:
One thing while playig with this is that I got a great idea to invent a Trout Fishing Simulator with real bite pulsations. Guys tha have builds, just turn your wheel fast and hols two strong magnets one in each hand and bring your hands closer to the rotors. Feel it. Sometimes a nibble but sometimes a good hit. lol
@Watts: LOL, I've got to keep up with the Joneses, don't I?
I'll volunteer to be a beta tester for your trout fishing sim (as penance... ;) ).
But I've got to do something to keep busy while waiting for my silly wheel to run down, hooked up to the datalogger, with yet another magnet config.
LightRider and I have been working on getting a calibration for his video tachometry sensor technology, that he has used to analyze Mylow's videos. But since we have no access to Mylow's wheel it is difficult to assess the accuracy and validity of the method. So I've made a video of my disk, without magnets, and taken data with my datalogging tacho, and LR will apply his technique to the video, and we can compare the graphs from the two methods. If they agree, and I'm sure they will, we can be confident that his technique should give an accurate representation of the performance of Mylow's wheel.
We did this yesterday but my videos were so bad that they were unusable, even though I got some nice comments on the music. So I will be taking those down, if this one is more useful to LR.
@TK
If you are logging revolutions, how come it went from 151 down to 55 then back up to 85.
@all
Just found out the importance of the bearing for my Pizza Pan wheel. I play with this while I wait for my main Mylow wheel. Well the free turning was really bad, so I took apart the bearings seals and saw that there was some grease. I removed almost all the grease then cleaned it out with some dishwasher liquid (good degreaser), then I sprayed some nice silicone in there and bingo, my wheel now turns and turns. Shit, should have done this from day one. It is as if I have a whole new super wheel to work with so back to the drawing board.
Hi folks,
What do think of this test/analysis?
The Force - analysis of Mylow's Magnetic Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page
Thanks
Mike
Quote from: vonwolf on May 15, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
No, look at the vid., he shows the 2 stator magnets on the wider flat side of the bar then he sets it on the narrow edge with the stator magnets no where to be found? He didn't splice anything he sets the stator magnets off to the side out of the frame on edge?
Am I seeing this wrong? The magnets are off to the left of that little wall and the Bar is up on it edge. As far as money, hundred and thousands of dollars? Well I don't know his motivation and that's my point, LOOK AT ME.
i came here to build an easy mag motor .. lol .. i spent thousands is about right . .it's good my wife doesn't read here .. she'd wack me up side the head . . mostly she knows that i like magnets and she probably wishes i played with her as much as i play with them. yeah i would say thats right.
The domain names in my footer and in my Youtube movies are my own personal.
They say a bit about me and why i am here.
If you noticed in the vid near the start - i first position the bar in the near middle across the disk.
Shortly after that i then slide the stator into it's correct rotor alignment position. If it doesn't seem correct to you it's just the view angle. i copied all mylows vids - i know exactly where the stator is supposed to be as per Mylow.
What you are seeing in my vid is what happened .. there is no hidden agenda slight of hand or trickery but you may believe whatever you wish.
i do this for fun .. it's my hobby.
Queue
So that's why she keeps pestering me for more...oh dernit it, did I say that out loud. ;)
Quote from: queue on May 15, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
it's good my wife doesn't read here .. she'd wack me up side the head . . mostly she knows that i like magnets and she probably wishes i played with her as much as i play with them
Quote from: wattsup on May 15, 2009, 02:43:08 PM
@TK
If you are logging revolutions, how come it went from 151 down to 55 then back up to 85.
@all
Just found out the importance of the bearing for my Pizza Pan wheel. I play with this while I wait for my main Mylow wheel. Well the free turning was really bad, so I took apart the bearings seals and saw that there was some grease. I removed almost all the grease then cleaned it out with some dishwasher liquid (good degreaser), then I sprayed some nice silicone in there and bingo, my wheel now turns and turns. Shit, should have done this from day one. It is as if I have a whole new super wheel to work with so back to the drawing board.
The graph shows RPM, my testbed is motorized as you know; I restarted the motor briefly to give the rise you mention. The motor is coupled with a one-way clutch bearing so when the motor is off there is very little or no drag from it.
Near the end I positioned some random magnets underneath the disk to make an improvised eddy current brake to slow and stop the disk before the YT ten minutes ran out. These are just features to see how well LR's method is tracking. They have no other significance.
About the bearings: told you so. long ago. But even better than wet lube is dry graphite applied to an absolutely clean and dry bearing. Any wet lube will pick up dirt more rapidly. Believe it or not, a major cause of wear and spoilage in open bearings subjected to magnetic fields, is tiny nickel-iron micrometeorites in the dust that rains on us from space. They get in there and grind up the balls and spall the races.
@TK
Thanks for the graphite info. OK I see about the graph.
@queue
How many HS90 did you order. Just placed my order and they are now out of HS90 till end of June. My other mags won't be shipped before end of next week due to no stock of HS811N.
So my question is, would your wife slap you less if you sold some of your mags to me?
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on May 15, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Hi folks,
What do think of this test/analysis?
The Force - analysis of Mylow's Magnetic Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page
Thanks
Mike
Wow Mike, bad bews for Mylow. But absolutely incredible work on behalf of youtube user "toukoqouko". I´m VERY impressed with his combining of opensource code to track the rotor with such great resolution. The information he has extracted here is incredible and only possible with software. Also gotta love his Star Wars titles and music including the 8bit retro chip music.
Anyway, Toukoqouko makes a very solid and clear explanation of his video in this youtube comment:
QuotePoints made:
1. Net effect INSIDE the stator area is speed DECREASE
2. Net effect OUTSIDE the stator area is speed INCREASE
If the acceleration occurs "outside the stator magnetic fields", then magnetism (of the stator) isn't the driving force.
If magnetism is the driving force, points 1 and 2 should be opposite.
These points are testable and falsifiable by anyone, unlike the claimed absence of external power sources.
Below is a screen grab showing two revs of the wheel, RPM on vert axis, Wheel angle on horiz. The green vertical line represents the stator mag position. Looks to me like the wheel is experiencing some mysterious external force.
Notice the large half sin wave appearing between the green lines. This half sin consists of deceleration followed by acceleration and occupies almost exactly half a revolution, it is caused by the rig not being flat. Sometimes the rotor mags are climbing a hill, sometimes descending it.
If the stator were removed from the rig then you would get a full sin wave slowly trending upward to an equilibrium speed as it´s mercylessly driven by some mysterious external source. BUSTED!!! :o
If anyone else can explain this speed signiature any differently then I´d love to hear.
Here is an example of a comparison run I just completed. I'm testing a 3-gate version with 3 u-rotormags in each gate, and a horseshoe stator in one of the many Mylow positions. This gate arrangement works BY HAND as well as or better than many we've seen "working" in the past couple days. So it should show a big gain when tested instrumentally, right? Right...
So I compare runup and rundown between two conditions: First, rotor mags in position, keepers ON, no stator or stator mount--the control condition. Second, stator and mount in position, all keepers off -- the experimental condition. The motor drive power is exactly the same in both cases, and everything else is equal. As you can see, the rpm was still climbing when I shut off the motor in the first case, but in the second case equilibrium rpm was reached fairly quickly==and slowly, if you take my meaning== and the rundown is of course shorter.
@Yucca and Toukoqouko: Beautiful!!
@Alfparts
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...approximately sixteen hours at one single stretch while in the same room - constant equiv load = 25 kgf-m/s
I'm just curious... Why are you so interested in ML's setup when you were working with the master himself? You are one of a few people (I may say the only one) who ever claimed that they saw HJ's motor working for that long....
You surely know that Mr. HJ had always tremendous difficulties whenever he wanted to prove his motors in public.
And, what kind of load was attached? Is "25 kgf-m/s" unit a typo, or means Watts, Newton-meters?.... (maybe "kilogram fucking negative meters per second"?)
I'd like to calculate the energy created in those 16 hours.... (Btw, what were you people doing during those 16 hours? Discussing, playing chess,...? )
Cheers!
@queue...
thanks for all the effort and expense bud...
any chance you could summarize how close your build is to mylow's, piece by piece?
weight of disk
size of disk
height of base
weight of base
height of stators
space between stators and rotors
etc?
just hoping to keep the dialogue going with you...
if that's of any help to you!
thks...Dixie
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
@Yucca and Toukoqouko: Beautiful!!
Lol, thought you´d like it TK. Very useful homebrew software for PMM researchers.
edit: related to post:
RE http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg178884#msg178884
@ALFPARTS, Sterling, UtahBill, Mylow, and everyone...
all I can say is that I wish this thing was being run as a business, because our metrics would be improving much more quickly!
-decreasing cost of parts
-increasing alternative part sources
-increasing # of replicators
-increasing # of replications
-decreasing amount of baloney on the thread
...anyone got $30k to spare and I'll just outsource it? We'll be done in a week...
despite everyone's best efforts, (god bless mylow and the replicators), this project is all over the map, and at the current rate, the 'Mylow dream' will be dead by June....
I'm getting a headache...we have something like 2.3 serious replicators, on a machine that's accomplished something never before done, with 48 parts and 400 magnetic fields to decipher...
Mylow: how much is it going to cost me for you to build a working machine and give it to me, no questions asked?
ugh...does money talk?
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 15, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
(snip)
ugh...does money talk?
Not around here. Not only that you can't talk about money, either. It puts too much pressure on the researchers.
But you do put things in perspective--30 large, some competent engineers (who laugh behind your back but keep straight faces in the meetings), some real simulations, a bunch of magnets, Mylow on staff as consultant at a kilobuck a day---and at the end of it all you still won't have made the impossible motor run.
But I'm always willing to be proven wrong, and I've already offered my grand. Maybe we should make a pot, you know, like for hockey. We all throw in our kid's next year's tuition, and whoever gets one going first (besides Mylow, he's an insider so can't play, doesn't seem to want to anyway) gets the whole thing.
Clickclick.
Quote from: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
(snip)
Notice the large half sin wave appearing between the green lines. This half sin consists of deceleration followed by acceleration and occupies almost exactly half a revolution, it is caused by the rig not being flat. Sometimes the rotor mags are climbing a hill, sometimes descending it.
If the stator were removed from the rig then you would get a full sin wave slowly trending upward to an equilibrium speed as it´s mercylessly driven by some mysterious external source. BUSTED!!! :o
If anyone else can explain this speed signiature any differently then I´d love to hear.
I'd just like to enlarge on the explanation a little bit, because I know many people have difficulty interpreting graphs. Time is of course left to right and rotation speed is vertical, and the trendline (the average of what's shown) is sloping up to the right which indicates overall acceleration. The green lines mark the position where stator and rotor magnets are closest together. As you can see, as the stator position is approached, the wheel slows fairly radically, and when it passes out of the gate, it recovers some speed but NOT as much as it lost. This is clearly showing that there's an energy loss from the wheel when the magnets are close together. And only when the magnets are farther apart, does the wheel resume its acceleration (with the sinusoid imbalance signature superimposed.) But the energy lost in the gate is not returned: the upward acceleration slope is a stairstep.
The energy to move this wheel is coming from outside, not from the interactions between the magnets, and this video analysis, if valid, is strong evidence for that. And I have no doubts as to the validity of this analysis--but it should be confirmed, anyway.
Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
@Alfparts
I'm just curious... Why are you so interested in ML's setup when you were working with the master himself? You are one of a few people (I may say the only one) who ever claimed that they saw HJ's motor working for that long....
You surely know that Mr. HJ had always tremendous difficulties whenever he wanted to prove his motors in public.
And, what kind of load was attached? Is "25 kgf-m/s" unit a typo, or means Watts, Newton-meters?.... (maybe "kilogram fucking negative meters per second"?)
I'd like to calculate the energy created in those 16 hours.... (Btw, what were you people doing during those 16 hours? Discussing, playing chess,...? )
Cheers!
I'll jump in here and interpret: kgf probably means "kilograms of force":
From Wiki:
"The unit kilogram-force (kgf or just kg) or kilopond (kp) is defined as the magnitude of the force exerted on one kilogram of mass by a 9.80665 m/s2 gravitational field (standard gravity, a conventional value approximating the average magnitude of gravity on Earth). So one kilogram-force is by definition equal to 9.80665 newtons.
(snip)
The kilogram-force has never been a part of the International System of Units (SI), which was introduced in 1960. The SI unit of force is the newton.
Prior to this, the unit was widely used in much of the world; it is still in use for some purposes. The thrust of a rocket engine, for example, was measured in kilograms-force in 1940s Germany, in the Soviet Union (where it remained the primary unit for thrust in the Russian space program until at least the late 1980s), and it is still used today in China and sometimes by the European Space Agency.
It is also used for tension of bicycle spokes, for torque measured in "meter-kilograms", for pressure in kilograms per square centimeter, for the draw weight of bows in archery, and to define the "metric horsepower" (PS) as 75 metre-kiloponds per second.[1]"
End quote.
And begin ROTFL.
By the way, I saw a UFO once, when I was Billy Meyer's go-fer (or was it disciple? It was a long time ago). It hovered there for sixteen hours, and I know it massed at least a metric ton.
Do you believe me? Why not? I just told you I saw it, didn't I?? That should be enough evidence for anyone.
I compiled a playlist of MYLOW replicators. After I heard MYLOW complaining in one of videos that he was wasting his time because "nobody" is out there trying to replicate. I found 21 different users who have posted to You Tube. The playlist can be found here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM&feature=PlayList&p=167A03B129302DA4&index=0&playnext=1
That being said, there additional hundreds of other videos from folks who have been posting rotary magnet motor experiments for years.
There is not a single verified working unit can goes past 360 degrees.
Still waiting for the secret to the "MYLOW miracle" to be revealed.
I find it quite humourous that MYLOW names Overunity . com as the reason he occasionally stops posting videos and complains to Sterling about it.
The Steorn forum is 10 times more brutal in it's personal assaults against him.
Is there a vendetta at play?(question only)
I won't list the personal reasons why I believe this motor cannot self sustain. Science has enough of them and I see nothing being demonstrated to change that, in any video so far.
I do see some red flags (crop circle refernces, holy statues,MIBs, missed appointments, secretiveness, erratic behavior) enough to make me say, "in my opinion" I do not believe it until/unless it becomes believable.
Otherwise it "could" just be wild goose chase and quite possibly OU.com is a target. Think common sense here.
If it walks like a duck............l.......
@TK and all,
Yep, it´s difficult to say it in a way everyone understands.
Below is a graph I´ve modified by adding a blue line, this is how a non level disc driven by a weak motor etc would look. A slowly climbing SIN wave.
The stator and rotor interaction put the kinks in this smooth SIN wave. I think Toukos labelling of stator interactions is a little wrong, upon further inspection I would say it´s impossible to say if the rotor and stator are causing slowdown (but it is probable), but I would say with certainty that the disk is externally driven and not level.
As to the validity of the analysis video, the guy seems pretty smart to me, smart enough to configure and weave together several different code libraries to achieve the analysis, and in quick smart time I might add. But there again perhaps the MIB paid this coder from Finland megabucks to release this damning evidence. LOL the plot thickens.
The coders email address is in the image below:
Video being discussed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU
According to that graph, it appears acceleration begins to occur as the magnets are passing the opposite side of the stator.
Hmmmmmm. Mother earth?
Quote from: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
Looks to me like the wheel is experiencing some mysterious external force.
Isn't that what we are supposed to be dealing with?
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Notice the large half sin wave appearing between the green lines. This half sin consists of deceleration followed by acceleration and occupies almost exactly half a revolution, it is caused by the rig not being flat. Sometimes the rotor mags are climbing a hill, sometimes descending it.
If the stator were removed from the rig then you would get a full sin wave slowly trending upward to an equilibrium speed as it´s mercylessly driven by some mysterious external source. BUSTED!!! :o
If anyone else can explain this speed signiature any differently then I´d love to hear.
Why isn't this interpreted as a 'kick' from the rotor group passing under the stator?
All the graph tells me is he doesn't have an optimum diameter. If he did the 'kick' would appear closer to the bottom.
Another interpretation is the stator is only an indirect means of rotation. Kinda like a compass ;)
All this past talk about a vid being no positive proof. I agree with that. However, the inverse applies. A vid cannot be disproved either unless you catch a glimpse of a bird running on a mini-treadmill under the table.
Is the source available for this guy's coding? I would like to see what the software is doing.
Sterling has posted an offer for a reward to the first replicator of the MYLOW motor at Yahoo groups.
"Criteria to Claim "First Independent Replication of Mylow's All-Magnet Motor"
In order to lay claim to being the first, second, or third person or group to successfully replicate Mylow's all-magnet motor, the following criteria need to be met:
1. Shoot a video showing the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone.
2. Post the video to YouTube or send it to me (Sterling) or to someone else with a YouTube account or other public video site to be posted. This will constitute the time stamp of public disclosure. If validated, this date will constitute the time the replication was successfully demonstrated.
3. Have your motor validated by a qualified individual or group that is willing to make their certification made public (e.g. operates for at least one hour). [Needs to be accomplished within a week.]
4. There must be at least a 50% similarity to Mylow's design, either the Stonehenge version or the bar-magnet rotor version. "
Note condition #3. Even MYLOW has not done this, why should a replicator have the burden?????
@Tinsel
Hey, that was a thorough explanation! Truthfully, I just wanted to check if Alfparts (a long time expert in pmms, and HJ's "gopher") is telling a believable story....
(I cheated - I did read the Wiki article before....)
But I do have a prob converting this "25kgf-m/s" unit to something more understandable....
(or, a "load" terms... )
@Yucca
Nice find, quite according with all the contradictions so far....
I originally used just my eyesight to determine the "unknown accelerating energy". Later on, there were already many usefull analyses of the wheel. When a YingYang wheel was shown, it was rather easy to determine an acceleration again (I used a photodiode on a counter input (directly, no prob), pointed at the YY symbol edges (the dot was to small to collect transitions correctly...))
So, what do you guys think, where does the acceleration really comes from?
I thought in the beginning, a Small dc motor in the support/axle... Or, a blowing air (from a small compressor)...
Induced EM from other sources? What? Modified old 5 1/4"" drive motor (windings) secured under the table? ML says he wouldn't know how to fake it... What about his brother?
With enough motivation, I would make any of the aforementioned approaches workable....
Eh, I'd rather see a real working PMM.
Why do you think he is offering a prize, keep in mind Sterlng Allan has already alienated this forum with his threat to Steph, I some how do not think Sterling has the support he used to have.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 15, 2009, 05:55:54 PM]
Note condition #3. Even MYLOW has not done this, why should a replicator have the burden?????
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
Isn't that what we are supposed to be dealing with? Why isn't this interpreted as a 'kick' from the rotor group passing under the stator?
Why isn´t what interpreted as a kick? please mark the graph up if possible and post to explain what you mean.
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
All the graph tells me is he doesn't have an optimum diameter. If he did the 'kick' would appear closer to the bottom.
Not sure what you mean, bottom of what? The overall sinus is a result of the rig not being level and not being balanced (rotors on one side) and having a continuous external driving force. The "kick" can appear at any point of the sinus depending on how the rig is tilted. The fact that there is an overall sinus signiature is very telling and only points toward external drive force.
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
Is the source available for this guy's coding? I would like to see what the software is doing.
More than likely, it´s all open source libraries he´s using, glued together with his own code. His email address is at the end of his video, he´ll be happy to email you the source, he´s keen to get replicators of his analysis.
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
All this past talk about a vid being no positive proof. I agree with that. However, the inverse applies. A vid cannot be disproved either unless you catch a glimpse of a bird running on a mini-treadmill under the table.
The software has allowed us to catch a glimpse of such an unknown exterior force, whether it´s a bird or not, well I would expect the trace to be a little noisier in that case lol.
Also the good thing about this vid is it is full disclosure, as I´m sure he will disclose source code. Unlike Mylow who refuses to get 3rd parties involved by mailing a runner or having a visit etc.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 15, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
Sterling has posted an offer for a reward to the first replicator of the MYLOW motor at Yahoo groups.
"Criteria to Claim "First Independent Replication of Mylow's All-Magnet Motor"
In order to lay claim to being the first, second, or third person or group to successfully replicate Mylow's all-magnet motor, the following criteria need to be met:
1. Shoot a video showing the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone.
2. Post the video to YouTube or send it to me (Sterling) or to someone else with a YouTube account or other public video site to be posted. This will constitute the time stamp of public disclosure. If validated, this date will constitute the time the replication was successfully demonstrated.
3. Have your motor validated by a qualified individual or group that is willing to make their certification made public (e.g. operates for at least one hour). [Needs to be accomplished within a week.]
4. There must be at least a 50% similarity to Mylow's design, either the Stonehenge version or the bar-magnet rotor version. "
Note condition #3. Even MYLOW has not done this, why should a replicator have the burden?????
Note condition 4 There must be at least a 50% similarity to Mylow's design
Y
any working magnet rotor will do
cum on Sterling
cat
oops--double post, sorry, lousy software
So if I get a mylow wheel to run for an hour unattended, with no visible source of power, do I get the prize? I'm fully qualified to vet whatever I build, that's for sure.
How do we tell if it's "50 percent similar" or not? How many percentage points do we deduct, for each one-hundredth of a millimeter that a magnet is out of position?
Do we have to duplicate the acceleration profile that LOOKS like the thing is externally driven, even though ours is only magnet-powered?
I think this script needs a re-write. Sterling's character isn't making any sense at all any more.
Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
@Yucca
Nice find, quite according with all the contradictions so far....
I originally used just my eyesight to determine the "unknown accelerating energy". Later on, there were already many usefull analyses of the wheel. When a YingYang wheel was shown, it was rather easy to determine an acceleration again (I used a photodiode on a counter input (directly, no prob), pointed at the YY symbol edges (the dot was to small to collect transitions correctly...))
elegant way to tacho off your screen like that, nice.
Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
So, what do you guys think, where does the acceleration really comes from?
I thought in the beginning, a Small dc motor in the support/axle... Or, a blowing air (from a small compressor)...
Induced EM from other sources? What? Modified old 5 1/4"" drive motor (windings) secured under the table? ML says he wouldn't know how to fake it... What about his brother?
With enough motivation, I would make any of the aforementioned approaches workable....
Eh, I'd rather see a real working PMM.
Yep, I´d so much like the motor to be real too.
As for concealed drive, Is there a video shown where he dissasembles the bottom extension axle and bearing for inspection and then reassembles and shows it running? If not then two identically machined bottom axle pieces would suffice. One being a stub axle as shown for the disassembly vid. One with a longer reach terminating in a pulley or cog to interface with the inner concealled drive motor gearbox combo and lipo pack.
The yingyang motor could just have a small motor, belt and lipo battery underneath for all we know.
Quote from: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
elegant way to tacho off your screen like that, nice.
Yep, I´d so much like the motor to be real too.
As for concealed drive, Is there a video shown where he dissasembles the bottom extension axle and bearing for inspection and then reassembles and shows it running?
The yingyang motor could just have a small motor, belt and lipo battery underneath for all we know.
In the Glass Table video, at the beginning he shows the stub axle and it looks like an inert chunk of aluminum. Then, as he's assembling the unit at about 2:00, he fumbles around with his left hand and could be switching out the inert piece for a more active "ringer". There's a brief glimpse of the unit during the walkaround, it looks superficially similar. Then at the end of the video there is some very suspicious action. He stops the disk manually, then KEEPS HOLDING ON TO IT while he removes the stator mount, still HOLDING the disk from moving until he takes it off the stub axle and conveniently blocks the view of the table with the disk. At this point it would be easy for the bird, for example, to replace the ringer with the inert piece.
There is enough room in the stub axle for the components you describe, and the turning of the disk would only draw under 200 milliAmps from, for example, a little hard drive motor and its control electronics. And a 11.4 volt 340 mA-H lipo is only 5 x 3.5 x 2 cm. so would give an hour run, easy. So it's a possibility that has not yet been ruled out, as far as I can tell.
(Oh, that bearing: It will act as a perfect slipping clutch and will allow the disk to accelerate just as shown. Do you really need to ask how I know these things.... :-\ )
I guess he frequently holds the disk just because of safety reasons...
With all the power produced, the disk could easily get ballistic....
Imagine the magnets flying all over the place... Was that one of the initial problems? I can't remember anymore...
Good Night....
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
So if I get a mylow wheel to run for an hour unattended, with no visible source of power, do I get the prize? I'm fully qualified to vet whatever I build, that's for sure.
Another WhipMag fiasco. You build it, you test it, you do the video. Nobody else ever gets to see it 'cept that invisible buddy of yours holding the camera.
@ Sterling
this guy seems to have it
nearly 50% it does work on magnetism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOdX8ZzYuU&feature=related
one of my favourites
cat
just magnets and a MATLAB program
Quote from: powercat on May 15, 2009, 07:22:07 PM
@ Sterling
this guy seems to have it
nearly 50% it does work on magnetism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOdX8ZzYuU&feature=related
one of my favourites
cat
just magnets and a MATLAB program
And of course, a big power supply. Here's a quote from the video description:
"Everything is automatic, with an infrared distance sensor providing feedback to control the power supply shown on the bottom of the instrument stack. The cart is accelerated by the magnetic attraction between the variable electromagnet and the black, circular permanent magnet mounted to the cart. After reaching the desired speed, the electromagnet was turned off to allow the cart to coast a bit. Then the electromagnet was reversed to slow the cart to a stop just short of the coil as can be seen in the second segment. A strong reversed pulse was then used to eject the cart from the coil. "
I have single-handedly discovered Mylow's secret. It is very simple.
He has Teflon coated the sticky spot so it does not stick anymore. Result - Unimpeded Rotation.
Maybe bacon grease will do also, more research needed. ;)
Hans von Lieven
Now,I really "seem to have it". Here's a graph from my latest configuration: Overhead horseshoe stator like Mylows, 4 u-rotor mags per gate, 3 gates, last magnet in each gate reversed so repultraction dominates over retracpulsion. Note several things: this is the exact same power input as in the 11.png and 14.png graphs. The max RPM is much greater than in 14.png. The rundown time is Nearly The Same as with the keepered magnets (3 per group) in 11.png!! This is by far the best result I have obtained yet.
(When comparing the rundowns, start at the same rpm on each graph.)
Of course ,one needn't get excited until the rundown is clearly Longer than the control condition.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 06:50:46 PM
In the Glass Table video, at the beginning he shows the stub axle and it looks like an inert chunk of aluminum. Then, as he's assembling the unit at about 2:00, he fumbles around with his left hand and could be switching out the inert piece for a more active "ringer". There's a brief glimpse of the unit during the walkaround, it looks superficially similar. Then at the end of the video there is some very suspicious action. He stops the disk manually, then KEEPS HOLDING ON TO IT while he removes the stator mount, still HOLDING the disk from moving until he takes it off the stub axle and conveniently blocks the view of the table with the disk. At this point it would be easy for the bird, for example, to replace the ringer with the inert piece.
There is enough room in the stub axle for the components you describe, and the turning of the disk would only draw under 200 milliAmps from, for example, a little hard drive motor and its control electronics. And a 11.4 volt 340 mA-H lipo is only 5 x 3.5 x 2 cm. so would give an hour run, easy. So it's a possibility that has not yet been ruled out, as far as I can tell.
(Oh, that bearing: It will act as a perfect slipping clutch and will allow the disk to accelerate just as shown. Do you really need to ask how I know these things.... :-\ )
Ahh, so you´re saying that possibly the very small stub axle piece at the bottom, the removable piece pushed into the bearing. That piece or a ringer of it could contain a small stubby motor and lipo and could be a self contained spinner. Then the bearing, with it´s neoprene guard seals and grease would act as the slipping clutch giving a super smooth acceleration. Sounds like the best proposition for trickery yet.
I watched the tabletop vid again and noticed all you said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCeQ8bwmcE
Haha, he´s a cheeky prankster, bravo to a damn fine show I say!
@Yucca: Exactly. But I went ahead and took the seals and grease out of mine, it works even better that way.
EDIT to add This system is kind of quiet and noisy at the same time. The motor and drive components can be very quiet; the controller may emit a high-pitched soft whine; the ball cage in the bearing can be heard spinning, until the inner (motor-driven) race and the outer (wheel ) race equalize speed. An audio spectrographic analysis of the soundtracks might reveal some power in characteristic freq. bands that could reveal this kind of drive mechanism.
Quote from: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 07:44:20 PM
Haha, he´s a cheeky prankster, bravo to a damn fine show I say!
If that is the case, maybe he did it for us all, in a good way (except for the replicators that have spent $$$). Maybe this will end up being a lesson to Sterling and everyone, that shows how important it really is to have verifiable replications before things go to far, and a lesson to not put any trust in youtube video's for proof.
That's one angle anyway 8)
The video analysis seems to be the way to finally prove this!
Joe
EDIT, I know I just said we shouldn't use youtube video's for proof, and also that the video analysis is a way to prove this. I'm sure everyone understands what I mean :-\
@clanzer
@mylow
@queue
@replicators
@alfparts
please read justalabrat/empireofmotion before you proceed any further....
otherwise you will never get this machine to work
component weights*spin quality*degree of magnetism across magnets will dictate success
you're going to go through years of trial and error unless you can figure this issue out first
i'd add that all components need to be made of the same aluminium as mylow's as well
i'm predicting the death of these trials from replicator fatigue unless this baby is figured out...
thks...dixie
>:(
This is Howard Johnson with his "Motor" in ca 2005 !!! ( 25 years after the patent )
Sjack Abeling, eat your heart out.
nuff said???
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 15, 2009, 08:48:11 PM
(snip)
I know I just said we shouldn't use youtube video's for proof, and also that the video analysis is a way to prove this. I'm sure everyone understands what I mean :-\
You are quite right, I know what you mean, anyway. At least I know what I think you mean...
If I could be so bold as to paraphrase:
You can't use YT videos to PROVE anything. But you certainly can use them or any other source of data to DISPROVE an hypothesis. If the data coming at you is good data (that is, a correct representation of reality) then you can determine whether or not the data is consistent with the hypothesis under test. If it is, it proves nothing, because lots of different explanations could generate the same data.
BUT: If it's not consistent, out goes the hypothesis. In this case, the "hypothesis" is that Mylow's motor is driven by the interactions between the rotor and stator magnets. But the data coming at us from YT and other sources is inconsistent with that hypothesis. And it seems to be good data. So, pfft! Out goes the hypothesis, and another one, better and consistent with the data, must be found. And in its turn, tested by attempts at falsification.
Joe, you've hit upon the crux of a radical new way of looking at the world. I think we should call it the "Scientific Method". It has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
:P
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 15, 2009, 09:01:44 PM
@clanzer
@mylow
@queue
@replicators
@alfparts
please read justalabrat/empireofmotion before you proceed any further....
otherwise you will never get this machine to work
component weights*spin quality*degree of magnetism across magnets will dictate success
you're going to go through years of trial and error unless you can figure this issue out first
i'd add that all components need to be made of the same aluminium as mylow's as well
i'm predicting the death of these trials from replicator fatigue unless this baby is figured out...
thks...dixie
>:(
So you're saying that if we read and absorb that stuff, we Will get "this machine to work"?? So Mylow's now a scholar of esoteric physics? If he didn't need to read it why should we???
You have no idea whether any of the things you say are really important or not. Because there aren't ANY working magnet motors, and every variation on those items anybody has tried has yielded zippo. So you really have no idea what will work, you only know what won't, and what won't work includes every damn thing everybody has tried so far.
Sorry to be so blunt. But it's the truth.
Send Mylow a pizza pan, I'll bet he gets it working.
(And yes, I've read empireofmotion's stuff, and she (I think!!) has got a lot right, but also a lot wrong.)
I doubt the aluminum matters at all.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 09:05:47 PM
You are quite right, I know what you mean, anyway. At least I know what I think you mean...
If I could be so bold as to paraphrase:
You can't use YT videos to PROVE anything. But you certainly can use them or any other source of data to DISPROVE an hypothesis. If the data coming at you is good data (that is, a correct representation of reality) then you can determine whether or not the data is consistent with the hypothesis under test. If it is, it proves nothing, because lots of different explanations could generate the same data.
BUT: If it's not consistent, out goes the hypothesis. In this case, the "hypothesis" is that Mylow's motor is driven by the interactions between the rotor and stator magnets. But the data coming at us from YT and other sources is inconsistent with that hypothesis. And it seems to be good data. So, pfft! Out goes the hypothesis, and another one, better and consistent with the data, must be found. And in its turn, tested by attempts at falsification.
Joe, you've hit upon the crux of a radical new way of looking at the world. I think we should call it the "Scientific Method". It has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
:P
That is exactly what I meant, thanks, and "Scientific Method" sounds o.k. to me :)
Joe
With the 'stomehenge model,' the stator interacted with a single pole, ~ an inch off the platter Then he says it's important to have solid contact w/ the platter. I don't see how this would matter at all, the reality is the interaction took place above the platter. I know... 'eddy currents.' Whatever, HJ's thing was built on wood, so much for the eddy current idea.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
I doubt the aluminum matters at all.
I agree with you. Remember way back when Mylow said his brother made, or had his rotor assembly made, and he had NO IDEA what type of Al it was? He thought it was an aircraft "type" Al but didn't know. (Gee that really narrows it down)
So, now we have Bob make an "exact" replica of Mylow's right down to the Al he used even though neither Mylow, or his brother remember what type it was. I know you can do tests on the metal that might match it pretty close but, how could Bob, or Sterling, do those tests when no one has even seen Mylow's motor in person. (Meaning neither Sterling or Bob or anyone that could perform such a test)
So, I doubt that the Al matters much at all.
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
I doubt the aluminum matters at all.
Did you see my link for you? Are you near a Metal Supermarket store? I don't think they do shipping...
Soft aluminum, like pizza pans and like that, is a real drag to work. It clogs tools and files (use chalk on your file to avoid this) and sandpaper; it grabs drill bits, it tears and gets all raggedy on you--much nicer are the harder alloys like 6061 or 7075.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08066.pdf
Oh, you mean for a Mylow Motor. There, I would have to agree.
Look guys, get real,
Mylow's arrangement is something that has been tried over and over again for decades. Everyone found that this thing will turn, then hit a sticky spot and stop.
Things like pulse motors and so forth were used to get over the "sticky spot" to liberate the "Magnetic Force" and that did not work either.
There are very real laws of physics that predict devices of this kind cannot work.
Every now and then someone comes along that says it is just a matter of fine tuning and it will go.
A different choice of magnets, move the magnets a millimeter here or there, move the stators a bit, use different bearings etc. etc. as if these little changes would suddenly reverse the laws of physics and elevate the whole contraption into an alternate universe where these things mattered decisively.
You might as well use numerology or magic spells; it's not going to happen.
I believe there are openings for free energy, otherwise I would not be here. I do not believe they are to be found in things that have been disproved time and time again. We need a different approach than to try to "refine" things that don't work.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
Did you see my link for you? Are you near a Metal Supermarket store? I don't think they do shipping...
Soft aluminum, like pizza pans and like that, is a real drag to work. It clogs tools and files (use chalk on your file to avoid this) and sandpaper; it grabs drill bits, it tears and gets all raggedy on you--much nicer are the harder alloys like 6061 or 7075.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08066.pdf
Oh, you mean for a Mylow Motor. There, I would have to agree.
Yes, thanks for the link. I don't really have access to a lathe etc, and I dont feel like spending big bucks on a CNC'd pedestal, so i'll probably either yank the motor out of my vcr and figure a way to attach it or perhaps buy aluminum pipe and stick a sealed bearing in there. The base would have to be some round stock glued to aluminum sheet. Or, I could go with a setup like Clanzer has, but where do you even get those pieces? Where would you get a base like that and tiny locking sealed bearing collars
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 09:44:53 PM
Yes, thanks for the link. I don't really have access to a lathe etc, and I dont feel like spending big bucks on a CNC'd pedestal, so i'll probably either yank the motor out of my vcr and figure a way to attach it or perhaps buy aluminum pipe and stick a sealed bearing in there. The base would have to be some round stock glued to aluminum sheet. Or, I could go with a setup like Clanzer has, but where do you even get those pieces? Where would you get a base like that and tiny locking sealed bearing collars
I find a lot of useful stuff like small bearings, shaft collars, weird hardware and other supplies at the Local Hobby Shop (the airplane one, not the train one). But it is an advantage to have access to a lathe. It's the King of Tools.
(I wonder who made the first lathe, and how...I'm pretty sure he didn't use a lathe...I'll bet the second one was mmmuch easier...)
Hmmm...
I finally had a chance to look at how the video analysis was 'probably' done. Of course you can't really tell because it really is just a video.
Certainly all possible on a Linux or BSD box with those applications.
Amazing how it is all so reliable when the original video source is only 'fairly' well timed then compressed in who knows what fashion.
I think I'll wait until I see a repeat on an duplicate motor without using a video recording before I rely upon that 'data'.
Oh! Sorry. There are no duplicates, are there?
Forgive me please if I appear to be a skeptic and I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.
All I wish to know is where are you folks hitting next? It would be nice to know what topic to avoid next. Certainly what videos and data to avoid posting would be good to know as well.
Nevermind, I forgot. I stopped sharing that type of info a long time ago.
BTW:
1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the scientific method. In fact, it is essential.
2. Please do make your motors out of wood, plastic and whatever.
You are talking about fascinating technical history here TK.
The lathe is almost as old as civilised humanity itself. The first lathes were adaptations of the potter's wheel which was foot operated and operated vertically. Soon they discovered that turning things was easier on a horizontal plane and they took the whole thing from there. Horizontal lathes were operated with a bow, as they are still used in some primitive societies.
We are talking pre-Egyptian for the ealiest recorded uses.
Just for fun
Hans von Lieven
Hans is right when he says the smot device has been tried already but I think the effect of the aluminum on the pole glued to the plate is different.
This is actually not at all like anything Howard Johnson built and the added delayed effect of the aluminum plate is an entirely new concept.
Think of that little aluminum disk in everyone's electric meter. It rotates because of a changing magnetic field when you use power. With a spacing between the rotor magnets a similar condition may exist on Mylows disk where the field always pulls to a field already setup by the rotor magnets in the disk.
I understand all the reasons why Mylows motor probably does not work but if he says it does then I look for why it does because that is what we don't know.
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
Hmmm...
I finally had a chance to look at how the video analysis was 'probably' done. Of course you can't really tell because it really is just a video.
Certainly all possible on a Linux or BSD box with those applications.
Amazing how it is all so reliable when the original video source is only 'fairly' well timed then compressed in who knows what fashion.
I think I'll wait until I see a repeat on an duplicate motor without using a video recording before I rely upon that 'data'.
Oh! Sorry. There are no duplicates, are there?
Forgive me please if I appear to be a skeptic and I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.
All I wish to know is where are you folks hitting next? It would be nice to know what topic to avoid next. Certainly what videos and data to avoid posting would be good to know as well.
Nevermind, I forgot. I stopped sharing that type of info a long time ago.
Well, it may not be the same kind of motor, but I have posted a "NEW" Tacho Calibration video on YT for those who would like to test the validity of their remote analysis methods, whether it be in software or photodiodes taped to the screen... I logged the data on a calibrated non-contact tachometer with NIST traceable calibration, whatever that means...so one can use that video and compare the results from one's method with this graph right here:
(This graph is coarse; the data file has a sample every half a second. I can repeat at slower speeds too. )
(sorry I forgot to mention that this is a different one from those posted yesterday and is much easier to work with)
Hans and TK:
My Dad was a masterful machinist and he taught me every thing I know. I asked him a similar question: How do you make a machine that will make another machine to tolerances of +-.0001" with a machine that was built to +-.005". He explained it to me and its too long and involved for here but, it has obviously been done so I guess that method worked, ha ha. He said it was a good question though. (I was only like 12 at the time and just learning to run the machinery.)
Bill
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
snip..
Amazing how it is all so reliable when the original video source is only 'fairly' well timed then compressed in who knows what fashion.
Couldn't we do a test:
1. See how an analysis outcome is from a direct video source.
And compare:
2. See how the analysis outcome is from that video source after uploaded on youtube.
Thoughts?
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 15, 2009, 10:30:54 PM
Couldn't we do a test:
1. See how an analysis outcome is from a direct video source.
And compare:
2. See how the analysis outcome is from that video source after uploaded on youtube.
Thoughts?
Joe
That is the other side of the coin from what LightRider and I have tried to do. But your technique requires that the same researcher have access to the original video and to the analysis method--but I agree it should be done if possible.
@Hans and Bill: It's amazing all right. And making the transition from wood to stone to metal...thanks for the asides. It's neat to think about those old Egyptians turning deep internal contours in hard diorite vases on wooden pedal-driven lathes...wow.
:o
Quote from: BEP on May 15, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
Hmmm...
Forgive me please if I appear to be a skeptic and I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.
All I wish to know is where are you folks hitting next? It would be nice to know what topic to avoid next. Certainly what videos and data to avoid posting would be good to know as well.
Nevermind, I forgot. I stopped sharing that type of info a long time ago.
Now you tell me!
Quote: "Don't spend much more time on it until I have my demo built for your viewing."
Ron
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on May 15, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
The Force - analysis of Mylow's Magnetic Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page
Excellent work/analysis. It SHOULD finally put to rest the idea that the 'motor' is real.
When the first MIB stories began was when I chalked it up to nonsense.
Then came the LightRider analysis that clearly showed the disk behaving as a flywheel rundown.
Now the latest analysis that shows the magnets are IMPEDING rotation rather than assisting.
What is most frustrating is the large number of people willing to accept as fact that which has not been proven.
INDEPENDANT VERIFICATION!
And then there is STERLING ALAN >:(
Wonder how much longer it will take until EVERYONE accepts the truth?
Months more probably......... ::)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
I find a lot of useful stuff like small bearings, shaft collars, weird hardware and other supplies at the Local Hobby Shop (the airplane one, not the train one). But it is an advantage to have access to a lathe. It's the King of Tools.
(I wonder who made the first lathe, and how...I'm pretty sure he didn't use a lathe...I'll bet the second one was mmmuch easier...)
Sealed bearing bicycle hub :)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 10:42:04 PM
That is the other side of the coin from what LightRider and I have tried to do. But your technique requires that the same researcher have access to the original video and to the analysis method--but I agree it should be done if possible.
What about the countless other factors that could affect the outcome of computer based video analysis software such as like lighting, camera shutter speed, grime on the lens, flare in the lens etc ... ?
Not to re-iterate what has already been mentioned about horrible compression algorithms, time base errors (if applicable), and general garbage quality from most home recording video equipment but what kind of medium was the video recorded on ?
Any or all of these things would have a major effect on the software results and render them useless.
Will
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on May 15, 2009, 11:24:22 PM
What about the countless other factors that could affect the outcome of computer based video analysis software such as like lighting, camera shutter speed, grime on the lens, flare in the lens etc ... ?
Not to re-iterate what has already been mentioned about horrible compression algorithms, time base errors (if applicable), and general garbage quality from most home recording video equipment but what kind of medium was the video recorded on ?
Any or all of these things would have a major effect on the software results and render them useless.
Will
Yes, you are right, that's the point of calibration and validity testing. If you run your video analysis on my video, and your graph looks nothing like the one I recorded "live" with a calibrated instrument, then you can bet it won't work on other random vids either. But,say, your graph looks like mine only stretched and skewed. Then a correction might be applied to your data or method to make it usable on other videos.
So, anyway, there's a target, and the data taken "live" are there too. I'm sorry I couldn't do it on the "real McCoy" but you'll have to take that up with Mylow.
TK,
sorry for the delay...
Here the analysis.
LightRider
Edit: horizontal lines formed by the dot are probably due to the high RMP and video of 29 frames / sec limitation
Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 11:03:45 PM
Sealed bearing bicycle hub :)
Excellent idea. Might be draggier than you think, though.
Listen, if you really want to get into this stuff I recommend that you bite the bullet and spend enough money on your disk (big, heavy, 6061-T6 alloy), your mounting (stable, easy to dismount, quality sealed bearing that you can remove the seals from) and your base/chassis assembly (stable, sturdy, level-able, portable) so that you can have precision and sturdiness and stability on your basic platform. The magnets are secondary, but if you are going to be spinning several kilos of magnets around at 100 rpm you need to think about these things carefully.
So use good materials and parts, develop a "backdoor" relationship with a local machine shop or individual machinist (beer is an excellent lubricant) and go for precision and quality on the basic wheel and mounting.
(Now people are going to say only a rough-cut, flimsy motor will work, since TK wants you to build well and heavy... :-[ )
Quote from: LightRider on May 15, 2009, 11:43:13 PM
TK,
sorry for the delay...
Here the analysis.
LightRider
That's great, LR! I am surprised that it worked so well, actually. But I thought surely it would work better at the low speed end than the high...I'm a bit confused about that part. Is there something I can do to improve the low-rpm resolution, or in general?
But still, that's pretty impressive and should answer the objections about whether your analysis can be applied confidently to Mylow's vids. Clearly it can.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 11:53:11 PM
That's great, LR! I am surprised that it worked so well, actually. But I thought surely it would work better at the low speed end than the high...I'm a bit confused about that part. Is there something I can do to improve the low-rpm resolution, or in general?
But still, that's pretty impressive and should answer the objections about whether your analysis can be applied confidently to Mylow's vids. Clearly it can.
TK,
Good job with the new video, the quality was significantly improved
Small adjustments should fix the situation in low RPM ... at high RPM is a matter of quality and frames / sec.
Thanks for taking the time to do this small validation.
LightRider
Edit: the sensor takes a lot of data per second when it is in an area of low RPM it starts to distinguish all the shades of gray and data becomes less clear for the conversion program that produce the acceleration curve.
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Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 11:42:38 PM
Yes, you are right, that's the point of calibration and validity testing. If you run your video analysis on my video, and your graph looks nothing like the one I recorded "live" with a calibrated instrument, then you can bet it won't work on other random vids either. But,say, your graph looks like mine only stretched and skewed. Then a correction might be applied to your data or method to make it usable on other videos.
So, anyway, there's a target, and the data taken "live" are there too. I'm sorry I couldn't do it on the "real McCoy" but you'll have to take that up with Mylow.
No I am not taking it up with Mylow, you and your friend are quoting data from your "calibrated environment" under what parameters are you conducting your experiments ?
Let me guess you have no idea ?
Will
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
@Yucca and Toukoqouko: Beautiful!!
Video was changed to private . . effectively removed from public view ..
Why would he do that after he obviously put a lot of work into it ?
Threatened .. bad data .. anyone ?
Q
I think some of this video analysis stuff is darn good!
If you look at the one below you can actually see, just before the green line, the decline just before it enters the stator area and then the initial acceleration as it starts in, then the little dip about in the midpoint of the rotor magnets then the large kick at the end where all the work is done!
You can tell it's not level and the large kick at the end is doing most of the work because of the larger rounded area at the top of the peak where it is pushing it up a slope.
It then slows down quickly as it continues to climb the grade and then the final acceleration as it swings down the grade and back toward the stator area.
As a result of the signal to noise ratio being out of control
I've created a set of plans for mylow's device.
for now they are available free from my private ftp:
98.210.103.190:55456
user: guest
password: guest
they're rough, but it compiles a lot of the measurement info.
slipstream:
Nice job. Wow, you are undercutting Sterling with your "price". Good for you man, that is the spirit of this site.
Bill
Quote from: slipstream on May 16, 2009, 04:29:23 AM
As a result of the signal to noise ratio being out of control
I've created a set of plans for mylow's device.
for now they are available free from my private ftp:
98.210.103.190:55456
user: guest
password: guest
they're rough, but it compiles a lot of the measurement info.
Most excellent.
Thank you!
Quote from: queue on May 16, 2009, 12:33:25 AM
Video was changed to private . . effectively removed from public view ..
Why would he do that after he obviously put a lot of work into it ?
Threatened .. bad data .. anyone ?
Q
That´s a shame I will email the fella to try and find out.
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on May 16, 2009, 12:19:52 AM
No I am not taking it up with Mylow, you and your friend are quoting data from your "calibrated environment" under what parameters are you conducting your experiments ?
Let me guess you have no idea ?
Will
It is you who have no idea, my newbie friend.
Do the letters "NIST" mean anything to you? My environment isn't calibrated and I never said it was, but my tachometer is, with NIST traceable calibration and a certificate of testing, and it's far more accurate than necessary for this project.
What experimental parameters, _that are relevant to the issue being tested_, would you like to have clarified?
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 12:35:44 AM
I think some of this video analysis stuff is darn good!
If you look at the one below you can actually see, just before the green line, the decline just before it enters the stator area and then the initial acceleration as it starts in, then the little dip about in the midpoint of the rotor magnets then the large kick at the end where all the work is done!
You can tell it's not level and the large kick at the end is doing most of the work because of the larger rounded area at the top of the peak where it is pushing it up a slope.
It then slows down quickly as it continues to climb the grade and then the final acceleration as it swings down the grade and back toward the stator area.
And if there were an energy GAIN the top of the large peak immediately after the gate would be clearly ABOVE the smooth line that you can draw across the tops of all the large smooth imbalance peaks.
But it's not. Thus proving that the slowing down and speeding up in the gate is actually a slight loss of energy and definitely NOT a gain.
@TK
QuoteAnd if there were an energy GAIN the top of the large peak immediately after the gate would be clearly ABOVE the smooth line that you can draw across the tops of all the large smooth imbalance peaks.
But it's not. Thus proving that the slowing down and speeding up in the gate is actually a slight loss of energy and definitely NOT a gain.
That's provided everything was level, if it was a bit off level you could indeed get just what is shown with the output energy pushing up a slope and showing no real increase in RPM until later when it starts down the slope.
Given the slow acceleration, the slope angle could be very small to create this affect.
Oy vey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eIijrOYR4&feature=channel_page
Just gotta love the sarcasm.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 09:23:27 AM
Oy vey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eIijrOYR4&feature=channel_page
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 09:33:12 AM
Just gotta love the sarcasm.
He obviously saw the spiffy/ totally unnecessary "IT'S A FAKE!!" analysis charts & video.
This is a funny comment to that video
QuoteHey Mylow :)
I could have sworn I just saw a bee fly past my window. That's scientifically impossible though ergo I must be crazy.
I cannot believe folk still believe that old fallacy.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 07:51:54 AM
It is you who have no idea, my newbie friend.
Do the letters "NIST" mean anything to you? My environment isn't calibrated and I never said it was, but my tachometer is, with NIST traceable calibration and a certificate of testing, and it's far more accurate than necessary for this project.
What experimental parameters, _that are relevant to the issue being tested_, would you like to have clarified?
Right,
So you work with or have a contact within NIST who are doing the experiments ? Given the fact that it took NIST 7 years to explain why the Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed (changing stories how many times ?) It is not hard to come to the conclusion of what your motivation for "discrediting" peoples experimentation is all about.
I believe that Mylow is sincere and is man enough to admit that he doesn't fully understand his results. There will always be people, like yourself, who run their mouths claiming deception or that they know better.
Time will be the judge of us all !
Here is the high tech graph showing my interest in what comes out of your mouth:
________________________________________________________
Will
It sure will, lets hope not too many people get burnt in the mean time, I am sure there are a few replicators who might just get a little upset when they realize they have wasted money and materials on a sham.
I can understand peoples dreams, I dream myself of a better world, but people like Mylow distract from creating a better world, I watch some good talents go to waste on this and it actually hurts.
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on May 16, 2009, 09:57:18 AM
Time will be the judge of us all !
One other thing, I'll make you a prediction, even if Mylow comes right out and honestly tells you it was all a fake, there will still be folk who will say hes been got at, or he's a sensitive guy that's given up.
I'll tell you what, if you cannot deal with FIRE2.0, then stay the hell away.
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on May 16, 2009, 09:57:18 AM
I believe that Mylow is sincere and is man enough to admit that he doesn't fully understand his results. There will always be people, like yourself, who run their mouths claiming deception or that they know better.
Time will be the judge of us all !
All Mylow videos are still BackUp here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos
hope he leaves his youtube page online.
close to 90 videos! think about it
LightRider
Sorry but this graphing has its extreme limits in precision. trying to understand the wheel simply by looking at those graphs will not do it because there are other factors at play here like when the stator leaves the rotor segment it enters a south saturated disk permeation that we know nothing about the effects.
When the stator meets a new segment there will be a field collision, mutual field compression then mutual pass-by that all requires time and energy.
Again while the stator is over the empty disk, @TK already showed there was an effect of drag, slow down, but that was without the rotors. It does not mean the disk field saturation is homogeneous and could be more concentrated in some areas of the wheel rotation.
I would prefer to look at the graphs and not say this is why it does not work, because the wheel does work, and, so this would only mean the graph is saying here, this IS why it does work. If you go in with a preconceived notion of what you expect, then you will not see what it really is. And therein is the problem. You want to understand something your way and not the way it is.
The idea that this particular speed analysis will answer anything is false; whether you are hoping it proves or disproves anything.... Without a KNOWN WORKING "all-magnet motor" as a baseline for comparison; what could it hope to ultimately achieve?
This is because if the motor is for "for-real"; then how could we possibly know for sure what the actual spin-up profile would look like without measuring it? The premise then would be that the device operates on a "new and revolutionary" motive principle, right? So you can't model that.. It has to be empirically tested and recorded first to CREATE a model. The data here from Mylow's vids has nothing to compare it to... If the profile is identical to a regular electric motor, what significance is that? So could an "real" all-magnet motor be... We can't know until we measure a "known working" one first.
The earlier graph showing the curve of "time in seconds" vs "seconds per rotation" was what could be expected from any motor spinning up with a flywheel that exerts much more inertial "force/drag" than is dissipated by bearing or air drag (whatever the actual motive force would be... magnets, servo motor, compressed air stream, or the power of suggestion lol)... So it was not useful for proving or disproving fraud. I wish it was conclusive somehow, but we are never so lucky here lol ;)
These later graphs cannot be useful either unless there is a known control for us to compare it to. It can be an interesting exercise for some peeps who are new to this type of analysis (making it worthy in itself perhaps), but it cannot answer the "fraud /not-fraud" question by itself.
Good, someone with sense, so could you point us to a working PMM so that we have something to compare it to?
Quote from: jibbguy on May 16, 2009, 10:18:07 AM
The idea that this particular speed analysis will answer anything is false; whether you are hoping it proves or disproves anything.... Without a KNOWN WORKING "all-magnet motor" as a baseline for comparison; what could it hope to ultimately achieve?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdrhC1UdDyM
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 10:16:19 AM
Sorry but this graphing has its extreme limits in precision. trying to understand the wheel simply by looking at those graphs will not do it because there are other factors at play here like when the stator leaves the rotor segment it enters a south saturated disk permeation that we know nothing about the effects.
When the stator meets a new segment there will be a field collision, mutual field compression then mutual pass-by that all requires time and energy.
Again while the stator is over the empty disk, @TK already showed there was an effect of drag, slow down, but that was without the rotors. It does not mean the disk field saturation is homogeneous and could be more concentrated in some areas of the wheel rotation.
I would prefer to look at the graphs and not say this is why it does not work, because the wheel does work, and, so this would only mean the graph is saying here, this IS why it does work. If you go in with a preconceived notion of what you expect, then you will not see what it really is. And therein is the problem. You want to understand something your way and not the way it is.
If anyone is curious to extract the pure rotor and stator interaction curves then simply subtract the trending sin function from the entire red graph, you will be left with the force curve of just the stator rotor interaction. The gate function itself is a one wave SIN. I would imagine integration of said function would be slightly negative revealing a lossy gate, otherwise why the need to supply the disk with the constant drive torque which is clearly revealed in this analysis.
Please, could you give another explanation for the overall SIN function of the curve. Other than external drive on an unlevel unbalanced rig? I want to believe I truly do, just that the data I have seen does not allow me to. Please explain the flaw in my analysis, please!
Mylow, please end all this silly conjecture from all of us. Just let someone see the running motor to check it out. or send a runner to someone. I'm pretty sure Howard Johnson would want you to.
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 10:46:51 AM
Mylow, please end all this silly conjecture from all of us. Just let someone see the running motor to check it out. or send a runner to someone. I'm pretty sure Howard Johnson would want you to.
Can any believer or skeptic tell me why Mylow would refrain from having this whole saga put to rest by the above recommendation? I have my theory but it isn't pretty. I would think that after all of the time that Mylow has been working on this that at the point of finally achieving the Eureka discovery the very first thing I would do is get corroboration by qualified scientists/engineers so that all of this nay-saying could be squelched once and for all and the real business of getting this out to the world could begin if that is the aim. No corroboration is a deal killer and this will never rise above the level of "Mylow says" without it. All of the words on this forum and Youtube and all of the attempts at replication are meaningless if it cannot be substantiated impartially that this discovery is in fact real.
As it stands and probably will stand is this: no one can inspect the device and no one can replicate it. Please tell me how this is going to change the world much less my mind?
@Yucca
I though I just did give some insight, but I do not have all the answers, mostly questions.
A one rotor segment disk will have rotors on about 15 degrees of the wheel, all in repulsion mode meaning a south fields is repulsively oriented into the disk. You can say this field covers all the disk to some degree but would exponentially decrease as the field gets to the opposite side of the rotor segments. The stator is passing through all these sectors of the wheel, rotor, just out of rotors, 90 degrees to rotors, 180 degrees or opposite the rotors, 270 degrees, re-enter, compression-expansion, and start over.
At the 180 degree point, I would "assume" the field has less energy, hence less drag, hence less resistance to the stator, hence more speed. But coupled all this with the fact that the wheel wobbles, it will be higher when the 180 degrees is under the stator then when the rotors are under the stator, but again here there is the fact that the rotor could be lifted upwards by the stator making for lots of directional forces trying to keep a rotational mode.
Look, I don't really know but I am open to observe and consider whereas measuring, graphing and saying this shows outer forces is totally irresponsible and unscientific to the nth degree.
@LightRider
If you ever had time to burn a cd and send it to me, I could put them all on my FTP site. I am slowly taking time to make an FTP portion for Mylow to concentrate all the builders, photos, videos, etc., in one easy place.
@slipstream
Good work buddy. On your dual stator drawing it would have been good to show the polarities. In fact does anyone know the official stance on the dual stator polarities.
@sterlinga
You probably won't be reading this but just in case, can you please ask Bob Utah to make a build spec on his wheel, ASAP, mainly the base, bearing, axle and disk type, dimensions, etc.
@all
Most forget one thing. For builders and experimenters something that does not work is just as great as something that does. When I do a test that does not work, I don't have to do it again because I learned one way it does not work. But in doing this enough times, we will find ways that do work and ultimately understand the basis.
All this crying, no replication, no replication. You guys are like some bad crew members on Christopher Columbus's trip to the new world, always crying, no land, no land, every day. Geez. I wonder if Columbus yelled a few times, throw man overboard, throw man overboard.
There is no time line here. Things happen, things don't. You can analyze this until the cows fly. It won't mean a thing. Mylow took half a lifetime to perfect this and you guys want it to just flow out of your gouzos. Won't happen.
Then you cry third party, third party. So who will you ALL trust to do such an examination. If the guy says it works, you will find every nick and cranny on the guy to attack his credibility, if he says no it does not, you will accuse him of working for the MIB.
If this was purely a standard off the shelf transformer pulsing thing, wow, would it ever be easy. But in this case we are confronted with the field. Can't see it, can't really measure it without some expensive do dads, can't smell it, can't really say much about it except for a few things.
It's not the device, it's the technique to find its magnetic balance or resonance. Mylow sees or feels this happening. His brother, for all his love for his brother, does not see it. The actions speak louder then words, if applied to what Mylow has generated in both video demos and build videos is more then admirable for someone that had something to HIDE. How f(*kin stupid does someone have to be to not realize this goes beyond all your intello-bricks.
Magnets know best. So if you get to understand field interchanges like Mylow does, no, no, forget the words, the charts, the graphs, just concentrate on the field, you will be able to make his wheel. I think this is what I have learned up till now. Every wheel has a way. Present replications are not working. So what. They could be degrees away from success and then listen to you guys to only give up. Great.
Mylow, has been more then up front. Put yourself in his position. Who the hell would you trust? You know what. It's not an easy question to answer. I guess if it was me, maybe first, I would want to see if someone else can do it. Like he says, to take the heat off him. Why the hell would you say that. IF WE CAN'T AND WE GIVE UP, then the shitsters won. Hourahhhhh.
Actually, the Star Wars analogy was pretty good. Mylow Fieldwalker against Darth Magneto. lol
I would also like to say that the last many pages of grand ferver have been read and found it to resemble a bad jam session where there's a trombone player and a saxophone player fighting it out but both off key. But, to my amazement a marked shift towards the better verbal manners. Pushes you guys to excel in the pen.
We're all dust in the universe. No place to run. You can only trust the field.
I think we are here to help Mylow explain this to the world without being hammered for every flatulence life throws at you.
So, for a student trying to learn what I would call Magnetic Mylowology, you would need a wheel made in a certain manner with the right magnets AND LOTS OF PATIENCE.
There is common thread to all these Mylow wheels. I think it has to do with the rotor repulsions.
@MYLOW
You should take a break. At least one week of no more videos, or any other talk will do both you some good and also will do the builders some good. This will force them to really play with their wheels very attentively to get the FEEEEEEEEL of the fields. It is not easy when you have this brain that is anticipating wanted results when you should be just experiencing the interactions for what they are.
So here is a question thathas been bugging me for a long time. If the south and north fields exit the magnet and return to the magnet, how does the field know which magnet it came from when there are so many put together? And what would full repulsion mode do to this fields ability to know where to return. Could it be that each magnet has its particular frequency. Like a mother Penguin knows which baby is her's in the midst of thousands of others. Notice from the rotor gap measurements, none where the same. Does this make x rotors producing different frequencies at different inter-gaps that create some havoc above the wheel. Don't know.
Anyways, as usual, back to work.
QuoteIn fact does anyone know the official stance on the dual stator polarities.
I mean, checking polarity with a compass is ok as long as you know that the north pointing needle of the compass actually points to the south pole of the magnet.
He should have one of those cool LED polarity testing devices.
He has?, I guess Sterling and PMMTester must be lying when it was announced they never got to see the motor huh?
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 11:13:18 AM
Mylow, has been more then up front. Put yourself in his position. Who the hell would you trust? You know what. It's not an easy question to answer. I guess if it was me, maybe first, I would want to see if someone else can do it. Like he says, to take the heat off him. Why the hell would you say that. IF WE CAN'T AND WE GIVE UP, then the shitsters won. Hourahhhhh.
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 11:05:24 AM
@Yucca snip
Look, I don't really know but I am open to observe and consider whereas measuring, graphing and saying this shows outer forces is totally irresponsible and unscientific to the nth degree.
wattsup,
This whole mylow thing has been such an obvious hoax that
your defense of it really puzzles me?
Right from the first video that was never verified by anyone,
to the last no one has ever seen this actually running. The
broom, the mibs, the excuses the cast of supporting characters, all lead to the inescapable conclusion that it is
"fixed"
All the timed tests, the video analysis support the hidden drive
explanation!
My thanks to tinsel, a great job throughout! like a breath of fresh air. A real scientific approach, my hats off...
Wattsup, this is know as a "red herring" look behind SA, JB,
and see the hand of Cradock... Learn to understand the
workings of greer, cradock, bearden, SA, 'disclosure project',
'NEC', 'pes' and the "man behind the curtain" will pop into sight. Please read this until you understand it...it is old
news now but it is still appropo...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread9268.html
Of course mylow is sincere, all con men are sincere, thats
how they work, he is an actor... if you were making a video would you not look out the window FIRST, shut the TV off FIRST?... all just for drama and effect to make it appear believable and homey.
All you have to do is use your powers of discernment.
Regards,
Ron
Hmmm, interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY).
MyLow has been working too hard and reading too many posted. He has done a good job of showing the replicators his measurement and type of material. It should be only a matter of time before someone replicates it. :o
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 10:58:27 AM
Can any believer or skeptic tell me why Mylow would refrain from having this whole saga put to rest by the above recommendation? I have my theory but it isn't pretty. I would think that after all of the time that Mylow has been working on this that at the point of finally achieving the Eureka discovery the very first thing I would do is get corroboration by qualified scientists/engineers so that all of this nay-saying could be squelched once and for all and the real business of getting this out to the world could begin if that is the aim. No corroboration is a deal killer and this will never rise above the level of "Mylow says" without it. All of the words on this forum and Youtube and all of the attempts at replication are meaningless if it cannot be substantiated impartially that this discovery is in fact real.
As it stands and probably will stand is this: no one can inspect the device and no one can replicate it. Please tell me how this is going to change the world much less my mind?
Well said! If he has faith in the tech he presents he would be eager to share it. After all then he would become "the main man", he'd be a hero in my books! The fact that he persistently refuses third part validation speaks volumes.
@i_ron
You can't admit that there may be some effects here that you are not familiar with. That even thought we have been putting magnets together for the last 100 years, this particular effect is new, novel and has some rotational properties that we do not fully understand.
When you do tests on something regarding OU, the results of the tests can show both why something does not work or why something does work. The challenge here is to know which of these is being shown.
@RunningBare
Actually I am glad @PMTester and @Sterling have not seen it yet because the next thing that would have happened is you guys dissecting them and tearing down their credibility. Some have already done this to @sterling. You think your talk can just solve things when it is always others that have to pay the price.
I went to see Daniel Pomerleau do his demonstrations. I had and used my DC ammeter while others had their volt meters, etc. We looked and looked and looked for over 2 hours. Came home with nothing but, what the hell is going on here, this guy is real. I had a damn dc motor unconnected in my hand and it was turning. Explain please. Give me the answers. Oh yeh, for sure it's fake. IT HAS TO BE otherwise............. So what did that do for you guys. Wrote a nice report, posted it and that's where it still is. Why. Because nothing will open a closed mind but the closed mind. What you want to learn is why it is fake. I want to learn why it could be real. This is where the payoff is in learning, expanding and re-applying this to other things. If it's fake, keep it fake, forget about it, never think about it again and just lose this potential orientation. Now that's what I call a good plan to Nothingdom. Just what Mr. Big ordered.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 11:53:13 AM
Hmmm, interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY).
Great vid RB, i will always remember it. Just a shame the commutator was so noisy otherwise it could have been a very solid proof vid.
It still suprises me how far the flux field reached out to influence the rotor. And part of me can't help thinking that if you filled a spheroid surface space around the transmitter with receiving rotors that maybe, just maybe you'd be getting OU. ;D
Anyway, you've been in this game longer than me, I suspect your truth filters (logical reasoning) are more finely honed than mine. I think you'll agree we both believe OU could be possible, we're just a little dubious about the case in question.
I left all the inconsistencies in for a reason.
The distance of the flux field was not really much of a surprise to me since those are neo magnets on the drum and the spinning magnets in the Newman motor were from the deflection coil of an old television, they are quite strong for ferrite magnets.
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 12:19:29 PM
Great vid RB, i will always remember it. Just a shame the commutator was so noisy otherwise it could have been a very solid proof vid.
It still suprises me how far the flux field reached out to influence the rotor. And part of me can't help thinking that if you filled a spheroid surface space around the transmitter with receiving rotors that maybe, just maybe you'd be getting OU. ;D
Anyway, you've been in this game longer than me, I suspect your truth filters (logical reasoning) are more finely honed than mine. I think you'll agree we both believe OU could be possible, we're just a little dubious about the case in question.
You really should get knowledge on the term "closed mind", this forum is full of it, and it does not come from the skeptics, you are a fine example, you refuse to even accept the possibility that Mylow is a fake, why?, that is a closed mind.
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 11:05:24 AM
@Yucca
I though I just did give some insight, but I do not have all the answers, mostly questions.
A one rotor segment disk will have rotors on about 15 degrees of the wheel, all in repulsion mode meaning a south fields is repulsively oriented into the disk. You can say this field covers all the disk to some degree but would exponentially decrease as the field gets to the opposite side of the rotor segments. The stator is passing through all these sectors of the wheel, rotor, just out of rotors, 90 degrees to rotors, 180 degrees or opposite the rotors, 270 degrees, re-enter, compression-expansion, and start over.
At the 180 degree point, I would "assume" the field has less energy, hence less drag, hence less resistance to the stator, hence more speed. But coupled all this with the fact that the wheel wobbles, it will be higher when the 180 degrees is under the stator then when the rotors are under the stator, but again here there is the fact that the rotor could be lifted upwards by the stator making for lots of directional forces trying to keep a rotational mode.
Look, I don't really know but I am open to observe and consider whereas measuring, graphing and saying this shows outer forces is totally irresponsible and unscientific to the nth degree.
Wattsup, scientific regime and logical reasoning are what I aspire to... TOTAL OBJECTIVITY. It's an often difficult path to tread, make no mistake! Many of my logical reasonings have led me to conclusions that go against mainstream science and some are even unspeakable in mainstream society.
But the overall sinusoid function of the observed velocity/time graph is so very telling. Plus it has the expected rotor/stator force curve superimposed onto that sinusoid. That rotor/stator curve is one full wave sinusoid in itself as is expected. And that wave gets superimposed on the one revolution sinusouid, It's there to see.
Of course you are entitled to your beliefs my good man, as we all are. I am just saying it how I see it, any rebuttals to this I would like to be explained, I love to learn!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
You really should get knowledge on the term "closed mind", this forum is full of it, and it does not come from the skeptics, you are a fine example, you refuse to even accept the possibility that Mylow is a fake, why?, that is a closed mind.
I second that!
But I can empathise how there might be a certain comfort to ignoring logic in order to keep those endorphins flowing, those poor wretched souls!
@Yucca
QuoteBut the overall sinusoid function of the observed velocity/time graph is so very telling. We're seeing hard acceleration when the rotor is at the other side of the disk, farthest away from the stator, please explain! Give me a combination of rotor stator interaction forces and/or forces due to an unbalanced and unlevel disk that would fit this signiature, I'm all ears.
I just gave you a post with the very same graph you believe concludes it not working with an explanation of exactly why to could get the same graph even if it was working.
Maybe if you weren't all ears and had some eyes too.......
(Yea some bad humor)
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Why. Because nothing will open a closed mind but the closed mind. What you want to learn is why it is fake.
Maybe you should read some Karl Popper:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/popper_falsification.html
Scientific theories are tested through a process called falsification.
@RB
Sorry but I will have to disagree. My first stance was one of skepticism due to the wheel base not being taken apart. Then it was taken apart and still showed to work. There is nothing concrete in all the pages on this thread that can fully support the notion that Mylow is a fake. NOTHING after 321 pages of all sorts of this and that, name calling, you name it, nothing in the collection of items supporting this is fake can stand up on its own. On the other side, Mylow has done more then enough to show it is real. He has gone above and beyond what anyone else has every shown on their device. So yes, I am a believer because I trust my own intellect, power of observation and also my logically thinking says this guy wants to show us something new. That's what this forum is for.
I have debunked my fair share of fakes on this forum so I do not need a tutorial on how to detect or observe. When something is fake, there is always a way to see it. But in Mylows case, aside form attacking normal things, no one here is able to show this to be a fake. Guys are just grabbing at straws because this is just too much to accept. Understandable but eventually, very tiring.
I think I have also done my fair share of observations on many other devices including the TPUs to have honed some level of skill in this area.
If you want to prove it is a fake, then go home, do your hours and hours and hours of homework and come back with a totally convincing, well founded and well explained argument of why it is a fake. Don't just come here, fly a graph and shout it's fake. Man.
Cripes I have already learned more about magnets with Mylow then I would have alone. So just there, I consider myself having GAINED something and not having lost something.
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 12:44:16 PM
@Yucca
I just gave you a post with the very same graph you believe concludes it not working with an explanation of exactly why to could get the same graph even if it was working.
Maybe if you weren't all ears and had some eyes too.......
(Yea some bad humor)
Unfortunately your explanation is not a good one. Yucca's explanation (and mine) is much better and does not fall to Occam's Razor like yours does. In addition, Yucca's explanation can be tested by anyone with a testbed, whether or not it "works". If the forces that are accelerating the disk are coming from the magnets, they must logically be related to the distance the magnets are apart.
Unless you want to make up some new physics...
So whether the forces are attractive or repulsive, the real forces from the magnets can be detected and displayed by these graphing techniques, and can be subtracted from the remaining forces which are causing the disk to accelerate.
If the data is good, and it appears that it is, the conclusion is really inescapable: the forces accelerating the disk are not coming from the magnet interactions, OR some new physics must be invoked to explain why, when the visible forces that ARE coming from the magnets aren't enough and are timed wrongly to cause acceleration, the magnets still are causing acceleration. That's just too much of a reach.
But as I've said before, not everybody has the skill or training or easy facility with spatial relationships to be able to understand graphs. Even if they think they do. And this is a fact from cognitive psychology that has peer-reviewed empirical support, so don't go getting all huffy and upset.
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 12:44:16 PM
@Yucca
I just gave you a post with the very same graph you believe concludes it not working with an explanation of exactly why to could get the same graph even if it was working.
Maybe if you weren't all ears and had some eyes too.......
(Yea some bad humor)
It would help if you mentioned the post number, I don't have time to read all this thread, it grows to fast. do you mean this post:
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 12:35:44 AM
I think some of this video analysis stuff is darn good!
If you look at the one below you can actually see, just before the green line, the decline just before it enters the stator area and then the initial acceleration as it starts in, then the little dip about in the midpoint of the rotor magnets then the large kick at the end where all the work is done!
You can tell it's not level and the large kick at the end is doing most of the work because of the larger rounded area at the top of the peak where it is pushing it up a slope.
It then slows down quickly as it continues to climb the grade and then the final acceleration as it swings down the grade and back toward the stator area.
We cannot observe the stator/rotor interaction curve in isolation on the graph, we must first substract the one cycle per rev sinusoid from the entire curve. Then we will be left with the rotor/stator interaction curve. Perhaps then we could integrate the remaining function to see if its positive (COP>1) or more likely negative (COP<1).
You truly have no concept do you?
We are talking FIRE2.0 here, whats not to accept?, please, give me free energy!
As for the rest of your argument, as you say, it is pointless to attempt arguing with a closed mind, but one thing I can be certain of, this whole Mylow affair will either fade away to nothing or he will be caught with his pants around his ankle, personally I hope it's the former, he has had enough attention IMHO.
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
@RB
Guys are just grabbing at straws because this is just too much to accept. Understandable but eventually, very tiring.
"If you want to prove it is a fake, then go home, do your hours and hours and hours of homework and come back with a totally convincing, well founded and well explained argument of why it is a fake. Don't just come here, fly a graph and shout it's fake. Man."
Astounding statement, Watts. You are asking for something that has been done over and over again here right in front of you. You don't want to see the logic of the explanations that have been presented; it seems likely that you don't even read some of them or think deeply about them. But don't accuse people like me or Yucca or the many others who have, indeed, done hours and hours and hours of homework, REAL homework, and who have taken real data, of not doing those things. We've done them and more, and we've been able to show many discrepancies that Mylow has chosen not to explain. If you think that a motor and battery and control system strong enough to turn Mylow's wheel for over an hour, could NOT be concealed even inside the small stub axle unit, I'd like to show you something that's come out of my hours and hours of homework. But I won't, just take my word for it, it can be done, not easily but certainly.
The instrumental data and graphs are the best data we've got and the interpretations could in fact be wrong--but it would be soo easy to prove the interpretations of fakery wrong, on Mylow's part, simply by showing the results of a few simple control experiments.
And have you learned about magnets from Mylow himself, or from the other people who are posting results on these threads? The only thing I can see that Mylow could have taught you about magnets is that their dimensions vary by more than the implied dimensional tolerances in his device.
Btw, I believe you are Mylow just as you believe I'm Pirate, so your responses are not credible ;)
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
@RB
@TK, Great rig you've got there, great vid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdrhC1UdDyM
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 01:11:54 PM
Btw, I believe you are Mylow just as you believe I'm Pirate, so your responses are not credible ;)
LOL pirate is definitely not RB. This thread is hilarious! Good work Mylow!
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 11:53:13 AM
Hmmm, interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY).
Nice one RB.
Mylow could have easily installed a small pulse coil plus electronics and battery in his stator support arm which in his videos was hollow square ali section. This would give him the perfect start up conditions from rest and explain why his rotor accelerated very slowly and eventually stabilised because of the heavy ali rotor plate. I can foresee a number of good fake video's being posted now that you have shown how easy it can be done.
Hoppy
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 11:53:13 AM
Hmmm, interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY).
As it stands it's totally irrelevant... Not interesting.
It would be interesting if you, or anyone else who believes this to be fake, could perhaps take the same principle, or any principle, and precisely recreate all of the videos Mylow has created to show that it's possible to fake them.
So far he's created videos which show us it is working and tells us that it's real and the sceptics have shown us nothing of the sort and told us it's fake. In my opinion the sceptics should focus their efforts on making a fake which precisely resembles the Mylow motor videos instead of just constantly and relentlessly telling us it's fake...
If there's two sets of videos side by side which are virtually identical in every way and one says it works and one says it doesn't then no-one has the advantage in anyone's eyes no matter how much they believe or are sceptical. In my opinion, everything else that's going on at the moment is just pointless gum flapping and that includes my comment on what you're doing if I'm being honest.
Someone, PLEASE, Get me off this god damn fence one way or the other! >:(
Quote from: Hoppy on May 16, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Nice one RB.
Mylow could have easily installed a small pulse coil plus electronics and battery in his stator support arm which in his videos was hollow square ali section. This would give him the perfect start up conditions from rest and explain why his rotor accelerated very slowly and eventually stabilised because of the heavy ali rotor plate. I can foresee a number of good fake video's being posted now that you have shown how easy it can be done.
Hoppy
Yeh, RB's good, he's been doing this stuff for longer than most. But that fake English accent, come on, aren't Pirates supposed to talk like "Yar, matey, avast thar and belay that bilge" in a Jamaican accent?
;D
In all fairness to Mylow, I think in most of the videos the stator support can be seen to be a u-channel, not a full square tube. I thot the same thing early on, but soon ruled it out because there aren't strong reaction forces between the stator mount and the disk anywhere that I can see; the stator mount is just standing there, and any acceleration force strong enough to accelerate that disk to full rpm in 39 seconds (in the Tony video) would be pushing back on the mount and would move it, I think. In the glass table video you can see just how lightweight the stator mount assembly is. Also in that video you can see how awkward it is to do the motions that he does-- stop rotor by hand, keep hand on rotor to prevent movement, remove stator mount, keep hand on rotor to prevent movement, until it's taken off the stub axle, and then the disk is used to block the view of the table with the stub axle...Try it yourself. See if it seems natural to do it that way. Unless of course the rotor wants to keep turning, then it's perfectly natural.
Mylows new video is realy stupid and im about to block everthing and all Mylow in our studio...
his time is running out to Prove his self as i said to his brother Countless times and sent him messages...
He needs to let an indpendent group view this After so many Opertunitys for him to do so. he hasnt.
whats funny about that Last video he Posted.....
he did not show this SO CALLED Motor and batteries at work... moving his Disk along.
i give up with the mylow drama and i wish all you the best at getting this to work.
If his constant excuses and drama queen act does not convince folk, add to that the charts posted here, then it will not matter, I can hear the words already
"of course it's fake, you've shown us it's fake, but you have not proved Mylow's motor is fake"
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Someone, PLEASE, Get me off this god damn fence one way or the other! >:(
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
As it stands it's totally irrelevant... Not interesting.
It would be interesting if you, or anyone else who believes this to be fake, could perhaps take the same principle, or any principle, and precisely recreate all of the videos Mylow has created to show that it's possible to fake them.
So far he's created videos which show us it is working and tells us that it's real and the sceptics have shown us nothing of the sort and told us it's fake. In my opinion the sceptics should focus their efforts on making a fake which precisely resembles the Mylow motor videos instead of just constantly and relentlessly telling us it's fake...
If there's two sets of videos side by side which are virtually identical in every way and one says it works and one says it doesn't then no-one has the advantage in anyone's eyes no matter how much they believe or are sceptical. In my opinion, everything else that's going on at the moment is just pointless gum flapping and that includes my comment on what you're doing if I'm being honest.
Someone, PLEASE, Get me off this god damn fence one way or the other! >:(
I can duplicate every effect Mylow has shown, and I can do it even more convincingly. I can even run my disk--identical to Mylow's-- out in the middle of a field to eliminate the RB effect. But what's the point? You would just accuse me of faking.
Actually some people would accuse me of DOING IT and just claiming to be faking to avoid the joopla. It's happened before.
Actually I can't claim that my disk is identical to Mylow's, because by the time I have a config set up to test, he's changed it to something else--which, of course, also works...
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 01:23:30 PM
If his constant excuses and drama queen act does not convince folk, add to that the charts posted here, then it will not matter, I can hear the words already
"of course it's fake, you've shown us it's fake, but you have not proved Mylow's motor is fake"
You're missing my point.
I've read this thread, listened to his supporters and his critics and if someone could confirm or disprove the device by visiting and checking it then I would believe them if they were shown to be credible and impartial.
So far I'm sat on the fence with video evidence of a working magnetic motor on one side and people saying it's fake on the other.
What I would like to see is someone, by any method, showing me that they can re-create the apparent effect in the videos he's created and I'll believe it's a fake... That's all.
Don't even bother making the damn thing run, just show me that you can make a fake as good as that and then Mylow is going to have to respond to that with something which shows his fake isn't a fake or fake something better... Simple.
You, and the other's saying it's fake,
have not shown me that his motor is a fake otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to open my bloody mouth (fingers) and posted here.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 01:30:30 PM
I can duplicate every effect Mylow has shown, and I can do it even more convincingly. I can even run my disk--identical to Mylow's-- out in the middle of a field to eliminate the RB effect. But what's the point? You would just accuse me of faking.
Actually some people would accuse me of DOING IT and just claiming to be faking to avoid the joopla. It's happened before.
Why would I accuse you of faking something which I asked you to fake ?
You going to pay for the materials?
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
You're missing my point.
I've read this thread, listened to his supporters and his critics and if someone could confirm or disprove the device by visiting and checking it then I would believe them if they were shown to be credible and impartial.
So far I'm sat on the fence with video evidence of a working magnetic motor on one side and people saying it's fake on the other.
What I would like to see is someone, by any method, showing me that they can re-create the apparent effect in the videos he's created and I'll believe it's a fake... That's all.
Don't even bother making the damn thing run, just show me that you can make a fake as good as that and then Mylow is going to have to respond to that with something which shows his fake isn't a fake or fake something better... Simple.
You, and the other's saying it's fake, have not shown me that his motor is a fake otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to open my bloody mouth (fingers) and posted here.
Quote from: Giga on May 16, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
Mylows new video is realy stupid and im about to block everthing and all Mylow in our studio...
his time is running out to Prove his self as i said to his brother Countless times and sent him messages...
He needs to let an indpendent group view this After so many Opertunitys for him to do so. he hasnt.
whats funny about that Last video he Posted.....
he did not show this SO CALLED Motor and batteries at work... moving his Disk along.
i give up with the mylow drama and i wish all you the best at getting this to work.
This latest episode occurred because someone took it upon themselves to post a video on youtube showing the supposed 'conclusive proof it's a fake' graphs and charts. Mylow managed to stop reading this forum, so what do they do? Bring it over to youtube. He's an emotional guy, it was not a cool thing to do imho.
P.S. Yes, it would be nice if it had 3rd party validation already, yes it's gone on a long time.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
Yeh, RB's good, he's been doing this stuff for longer than most. But that fake English accent, come on, aren't Pirates supposed to talk like "Yar, matey, avast thar and belay that bilge" in a Jamaican accent?
;D
In all fairness to Mylow, I think in most of the videos the stator support can be seen to be a u-channel, not a full square tube. I thot the same thing early on, but soon ruled it out because there aren't strong reaction forces between the stator mount and the disk anywhere that I can see; the stator mount is just standing there, and any acceleration force strong enough to accelerate that disk to full rpm in 39 seconds (in the Tony video) would be pushing back on the mount and would move it, I think. In the glass table video you can see just how lightweight the stator mount assembly is. Also in that video you can see how awkward it is to do the motions that he does-- stop rotor by hand, keep hand on rotor to prevent movement, remove stator mount, keep hand on rotor to prevent movement, until it's taken off the stub axle, and then the disk is used to block the view of the table with the stub axle...Try it yourself. See if it seems natural to do it that way. Unless of course the rotor wants to keep turning, then it's perfectly natural.
I agree with you that in Mylow's case I think it more likely that an electric motor was used either as a 'switched' motorised stub axle or friction drive on the rotor disk. However, I do think it possible that a small low resistance pulse motor coil could drive the rotor with the coil installed in an optimum position within the vertical section of the stator support arm. Only the coil is needed in this position; the pulse circuitry and battery could be placed anywhere else withing the stator arm support section. I must admit that I have not carefully studied the views of the rotor support arm when he picks it up, so I made an assumption that it was a full square section. Have you managed to observe the full channel section including the uprights?
Hoppy
Hoppy
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
What I would like to see is someone, by any method, showing me that they can re-create the apparent effect in the videos he's created and I'll believe it's a fake... That's all.
Actually, from a scientific standpoint that only proves that it can be faked not that Mylow's is a fake. The only real way to settle this is by having it verified by qualified, impartial scientists or engineers and by having others replicate the effect based on Mylow's precise criteria for construction. Without both of those it is nothing. Certainly if the Laws of Thermodynamics are to be rewritten I sincerely doubt a couple of YouTube videos by an eccentric are sufficient to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 01:33:57 PM
Why would I accuse you of faking something which I asked you to fake ?
I guess you don't remember when I first posted one of the alt_snakeoil videos, where I showed a driven disk doing what Mylow's did--I moved the camera around, showed the disk running, showed underneath, where you could clearly see the motor...there was no description and no claims and no narration. You should have seen the uproar!! Even though you could clearly see the motor, and hear it, the reactions went from total belief that I had duplicated Mylow's motor, to total flaming on me for fakery. I finally enabled remote annotation and let a few of my friends mark up the video, and one of them had to point out the motor. Then, there were further accusations of fakery!!
Is it OK if I just show the disk rotating, and accelerating of course, without the magnets? They are a real hassle to set up with the glue and all.
Or, why don't you just take my word for it. It's really kind of a lot of trouble, just to show You that it could be faked.
No, all right, I'll do it. Maybe. It's raining right now or I'd be outside, you might have to wait. Or will it be acceptable if I show it indoors? I don't have a glass table but I have a floor...I think.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 01:50:09 PM
Actually, from a scientific standpoint that only proves that it can be faked not that Mylow's is a fake. The only real way to settle this is by having it verified by qualified, impartial scientists or engineers and by having others replicate the effect based on Mylow's precise criteria for construction. Without both of those it is nothing. Certainly if the Laws of Thermodynamics are to be rewritten I sincerely doubt a couple of YouTube videos by an eccentric are sufficient to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Exactly.
That's why I haven't pushed the effort to re-create a fake. But it's easy, believe me. Well, not easy like in trivial, but far easier than setting up a Zinsser kinetobaric experiment, for example.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 01:43:17 PM
You going to pay for the materials?
No, I'm not...
I've claimed I'm on the fence and I've claimed you and the other sceptics are doing a hell of a lot of pointless gum flapping and I can prove that you're all doing a lot of pointless gum flapping and you've not produced a string of videos because your gum flapping is in this thread and the videos don't exist. I can also prove I'm on the fence because I'm sat here... Waiting.
If you want people to believe it's fake, and I can see no other reason that you and the other sceptics would be so intent on slagging this guy off, then prove it's a fake by faking it and reproducing the string of videos Mylow has created. I'm not paying for you to do that just like I didn't pay Mylow... Not my problem.
It's like a kid standing in front of a magician telling all the other kids the trick is a fake and the magician is sat there safe in the knowledge that even though the kid is right he's never going to be able to prove it to the other kids because he can't do the trick so he's always going to be able to say it's magic and have the majority of them think it's magic... Don't read more in to this than I intend, I'm not saying we're all kids and he's whatever, it's just an analogy to try and get my point across and I know it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Bobbotov, I completely agree with you in that it proves it can be faked, not that it is a fake but I'm saying that for me (and possibly a lot of other people on the fence) that it would be enough to tip me over.
Just like a kid watching a magician if another kid showed me the exact same trick I'm not going to believe it's magic and the magician would be just another bloke in a funny hat.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
This latest episode occurred because someone took it upon themselves to post a video on youtube showing the supposed 'conclusive proof it's a fake' graphs and charts. Mylow managed to stop reading this forum, so what do they do? Bring it over to youtube. He's an emotional guy, it was not a cool thing to do imho.
P.S. Yes, it would be nice if it had 3rd party validation already, yes it's gone on a long time.
Yes he is an emotional guy, god bless him. And that's why he owes it to himself to calm his stormy waters by allowing 3rd party validation. It's so simple, he'll sleep so much more soundly when his emotions are settled. Please Mylow, fedex a runner to stefan. I'll pay for first class fedex insured speical delivery there and back, just put a runner in a good big corrugated box with plenty of bubblewrap round everything. Please for the sake of Howard Johnson and mother earth, please do it.
Tinsel Koala already answered, so I can save my breath on this one.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
No, I'm not...
I've claimed I'm on the fence and I've claimed you and the other sceptics are doing a hell of a lot of pointless gum flapping
Quote from: Hoppy on May 16, 2009, 01:44:30 PM
I agree with you that in Mylow's case I think it more likely that an electric motor was used either as a 'switched' motorised stub axle or friction drive on the rotor disk. However, I do think it possible that a small low resistance pulse motor coil could drive the rotor with the coil installed in an optimum position within the vertical section of the stator support arm. Only the coil is needed in this position; the pulse circuitry and battery could be placed anywhere else withing the stator arm support section. I must admit that I have not carefully studied the views of the rotor support arm when he picks it up, so I made an assumption that it was a full square section. Have you managed to observe the full channel section including the uprights?
Hoppy
Hoppy
He shows the channel in one of the vids but as usual it's not a complete or unambiguous view. And of course there could be two mounts. And then there's the different mount used in the YnYng video. There's still the problem of feed wires and that pesky reaction force that moves only the rotor disk, not the stator mount.
I think there are at least 3 methods that have not been ruled out by data. One is your suggestion, but it's hanging by a thread. The other is mine, the motorized stub axle ringer--also hanging by a thread, but perhaps a bit thicker one. A third is pneumatic.
ClickClick. Now it's ok to let go, Tony. Go Ahead, it's OK. Let go. Let it GO...
(my paraphrase of the last dialog on the Tony vid...think about it....)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 01:59:53 PM
but far easier than setting up a Zinsser kinetobaric experiment, for example.
lol sounds cool! googling now...
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Yes he is an emotional guy, god bless him. And that's why he owes it to himself to calm his stormy waters by allowing 3rd party validation. It's so simple, he'll sleep so much more soundly when his emotions are settled. Please Mylow, fedex a runner to stefan. I'll pay for first class fedex insured speical delivery there and back, just put a runner in a good big corrugated box with plenty of bubblewrap round everything. Please for the sake of Howard Johnson and mother earth, please do it.
If I was Mylow at this point, I'd video a runner, video me boxing it up for shipping. Then when Stefan gets it and it doesn't run, well, it's not Mylow's fault, he showed you that it worked before shipping it. It must have gotten dislodged in transit--a hundredth of a millimeter, remember, is enough to make the difference. Send it back, Mylow will see what's wrong. Oh, yeh, there it is, see, now it works.
@pirate
Thanks mate, I haven't seen sterling's plans but imho open source should also be free source or at least a voluntary donation system, since he didn't go that route I will.
@wattsup
Duly noted, I'll make the addition when I get home from work and release the revised copy.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
No, all right, I'll do it. Maybe. It's raining right now or I'd be outside, you might have to wait. Or will it be acceptable if I show it indoors? I don't have a glass table but I have a floor...I think.
I saw your previous 'replication' video.
You know when he shows his rig with nothing inside the bottom of that bearing assembly and he says he can't fit a motor in there..?
I want to see that rig looking exactly like his, I want you to show me it's got nothing inside it just like he does and then you can do whatever the hell you want to it and get it running providing it looks and behaves in exactly the same way and it can be shown like this from all angles including underneath as he has shown in his glass table video.
You don't have to have a glass table just prove that there's nothing underneath which expands downwards or outwards as he did with his glass table video and you don't have to glue the magnets down for me either because if it's fake they aren't doing the work.
I'll only ever believe this is real when someone with credibility replicates it or confirms it's working but if someone can shown me the
exact same thing (surface rotor magnets omitted and stator omitted if need be) it's enough to make
me believe it's a fake.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
No, I'm not...
I've claimed I'm on the fence and I've claimed you and the other sceptics are doing a hell of a lot of pointless gum flapping and I can prove that you're all doing a lot of pointless gum flapping and you've not produced a string of videos because your gum flapping is in this thread and the videos don't exist. I can also prove I'm on the fence because I'm sat here... Waiting.
If you want people to believe it's fake, and I can see no other reason that you and the other sceptics would be so intent on slagging this guy off, then prove it's a fake by faking it and reproducing the string of videos Mylow has created. I'm not paying for you to do that just like I didn't pay Mylow... Not my problem.
It's like a kid standing in front of a magician telling all the other kids the trick is a fake and the magician is sat there safe in the knowledge that even though the kid is right he's never going to be able to prove it to the other kids because he can't do the trick so he's always going to be able to say it's magic and have the majority of them think it's magic... Don't read more in to this than I intend, I'm not saying we're all kids and he's whatever, it's just an analogy to try and get my point across and I know it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Bobbotov, I completely agree with you in that it proves it can be faked, not that it is a fake but I'm saying that for me (and possibly a lot of other people on the fence) that it would be enough to tip me over.
Just like a kid watching a magician if another kid showed me the exact same trick I'm not going to believe it's magic and the magician would be just another bloke in a funny hat.
Conversely, not being able to duplicate a fake does not make the fake less so. That is the whole point of avoiding these kinds of pissing contests and get verification, corroboration and replication. Science must be repeatable or it is useless for any meaningful deployment. Seriously, do a little reading on Karl Popper and find all about falsifiability and what it means and how it works in regards to scientific hypotheses and discoveries.
Essentially, all Free Energy proponents are attempting to falsify Conservation of Energy. It has never been done at the same rigorous level that created CoE as a law of physics in the first place. And laws can be broken, amended, modified as we learn more about the universe and how it works. But not with YouTubes and guys running around building fakes of something which may be a fake in the first place. That is a complete waste of time and totally irrelevant in regards to science.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
If I was Mylow at this point, I'd video a runner, video me boxing it up for shipping. Then when Stirling gets it and it doesn't run, well, it's not Mylow's fault, he showed you that it worked before shipping it. It must have gotten dislodged in transit--a hundredth of a millimeter, remember, is enough to make the difference. Send it back, Mylow will see what's wrong. Oh, yeh, there it is, see, now it works.
Yep there is always that excuse.
Well then, he should take it upon himself to travel with the motor and demo it, but woops he's so "emotional" the foreign surrounding might spook his special magnet senses.
Then he must invite a 3rd party into his home.... Oh, just remembered, in his last video he stated he would not allow visitors. Jeez, looks like it'll just go down in history as another FE device suppressed by horrible sceptics.
Oh well, whatever, he has the chance to prove us all wrong, the fact he's not taking that chance tells me he has a weak hand.
One thing I will say is this, if you publicly cry over a mans grave, a man whos beliefs you profess to champion then you should really have the dignity and honour to prove that man as being true and rightous (at least that's what a klingon would say lol).
The trouble is you are pointing these folk at science, some have already shown they balk at science, the very fact they have an iPod, some cool gadgets and a computer they can type into this forum with is down to science does not compute with them.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 02:17:25 PM
Conversely, not being able to duplicate a fake does not make the fake less so. That is the whole point of avoiding these kinds of pissing contests and get verification, corroboration and replication. Science must be repeatable or it is useless for any meaningful deployment.
Every time someone shows a new magnetic motor it is immediately considered fake, and with good cause, because it is impossible!
So for all those that jump on it right away and say it's fake are only stating what everyone already knows, but this some how gives them some points or something, other wise why would they do it.
I have not built a Mylow motor even though I have all the CNC machines, all the materials except the exact magnets and even the time to do it. I simply was not convinced to that point but I have considered the theory of why it could work and am making a test device to examine my theory of why the Mylow motor works.
It may not actually have anything to do with the operation of his motor, but it brought an idea to light and that's good enough for me even if his does not even run.
Why? Because if it don't work then my new concept might, and if his does work then I may already have a method to improve it.
Finding out how he is faking it just does not help in my case, even if it help in yours!
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
No, I'm not...
I've claimed I'm on the fence and I've claimed you and the other sceptics are doing a hell of a lot of pointless gum flapping and I can prove that you're all doing a lot of pointless gum flapping and you've not produced a string of videos because your gum flapping is in this thread and the videos don't exist. I can also prove I'm on the fence because I'm sat here... Waiting.
If you want people to believe it's fake, and I can see no other reason that you and the other sceptics would be so intent on slagging this guy off, then prove it's a fake by faking it and reproducing the string of videos Mylow has created. I'm not paying for you to do that just like I didn't pay Mylow... Not my problem.
It's like a kid standing in front of a magician telling all the other kids the trick is a fake and the magician is sat there safe in the knowledge that even though the kid is right he's never going to be able to prove it to the other kids because he can't do the trick so he's always going to be able to say it's magic and have the majority of them think it's magic... Don't read more in to this than I intend, I'm not saying we're all kids and he's whatever, it's just an analogy to try and get my point across and I know it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Bobbotov, I completely agree with you in that it proves it can be faked, not that it is a fake but I'm saying that for me (and possibly a lot of other people on the fence) that it would be enough to tip me over.
Just like a kid watching a magician if another kid showed me the exact same trick I'm not going to believe it's magic and the magician would be just another bloke in a funny hat.
I'm certainly not 'slagging off' Mylow. Even if it were proved beyond doubt that he faked it, I would still give him credit for doing a convincing job. Anyone who places a video, let alone a series of videos, in the public domain claiming a working magnet motor should expect to receive a considerable level of interest and questioning, especially when it is also reported that MIB have been brought in!
It is as valid trying to disprove a claim as it is trying to verifying one and not disrespectful to the person making the claim. If Mylow really has succeeded then the truth will eventually be revealed despite the utterings of the naysayers and believers.
Hoppy
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 02:23:04 PM
The trouble is you are pointing these folk at science, some have already shown they balk at science, the very fact they have an iPod, some cool gadgets and a computer they can type into this forum with is down to science does not compute with them.
I agree, those types should really bash their computers with rocks until dysfunctional and then proceed with smoke signals for longer distance communication, if they can light a fire that is, they'll probably say fire is the work of the devil and not natural. Heck if you take their idealism to the extreme then we should all gouge our eyes out with sticks, after all logical and real observation can mislead, we must fly on beliefs and gut feelings alone lol.
I have to agree with you to a point, but the problem is the wasted time and resources, lets say for a moment that Mylow is real, then by jeebus nothing is wasted, it would be fantastic, but turn it around to a fake and you have a lot of waste on your hands.
Now some of these people do replication in their spare time,I do, they will argue it's their time and resource to waste which is fair enough, but when wasted on a potential fake it becomes more serious, before I attempt any replication I need to see some credibility, so far because Mylow has refused or given some reason not to have third party validation then he has no credibility.
Quote from: Hoppy on May 16, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
It is as valid to trying to disprove a claim as it is trying to verifying one and not disrespectful to the person making the claim. If Mylow really has succeeded then the truth will eventually be revealed despite the utterings of the naysayers and believers.
Hoppy
Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 02:16:51 PM
You know when he shows his rig with nothing inside the bottom of that bearing assembly and he says he can't fit a motor in there..?
Gee, just like a magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." All of misdirection is contingent on this. I would be more comfortable with a scientist or engineer not associated with Mylow making that determination for me. If it is a fake why in the world would I trust the word of the faker? If it is real he won't mind sharing his device with a qualified person. Think about it. If it is fake would he not resist inspection by outside parties at all costs? If it is real then what possible motivation does he have for acting this way? It cannot be that he is a afraid they will steal his idea as he has posted it all over the Internet.
Quotebefore I attempt any replication I need to see some credibility
That is the key, Don't jump on the band wagon until you know it's not traveling over that cliff.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
Gee, just like a magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." All of misdirection is contingent on this. I would be more comfortable with a scientist or engineer not associated with Mylow making that determination for me. If it is a fake why in the world would I trust the word of the faker? If it is real he won't mind sharing his device with a qualified person. Think about it. If it is fake would he not resist inspection by outside parties at all costs? If it is real then what possible motivation does he have for acting this way? It cannot be that he is a afraid they will steal his idea as he has posted it all over the Internet.
Well put, agree with you 100%!
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
Gee, just like a magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." All of misdirection is contingent on this. I would be more comfortable with a scientist or engineer not associated with Mylow making that determination for me. If it is a fake why in the world would I trust the word of the faker? If it is real he won't mind sharing his device with a qualified person. Think about it. If it is fake would he not resist inspection by outside parties at all costs? If it is real then what possible motivation does he have for acting this way? It cannot be that he is a afraid they will steal his idea as he has posted it all over the Internet.
OTOH, if the device IS a fake, what's his motivation for acting the way he is? I've got a few theories on that too, but no data, other than that Sterling is going to look pretty silly, and maybe Mylow has it in for him or PESWiki.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
I have to agree with you to a point, but the problem is the wasted time and resources, lets say for a moment that Mylow is real, then by jeebus nothing is wasted, it would be fantastic, but turn it around to a fake and you have a lot of waste on your hands.
Now some of these people do replication in their spare time,I do, they will argue it's their time and resource to waste which is fair enough, but when wasted on a potential fake it becomes more serious, before I attempt any replication I need to see some credibility, so far because Mylow has refused or given some reason not to have third party validation then he has no credibility.
You make a valid point and as you and others have commented, until he seeks third party validation he should not expect anyone to believe his claim on video evidence alone. Failing to do this seriously weakens his credibility.
Hoppy
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
OTOH, if the device IS a fake, what's his motivation for acting the way he is? I've got a few theories on that too, but no data, other than that Sterling is going to look pretty silly, and maybe Mylow has it in for him or PESWiki.
I have a few theories myself but they are more in the realm of psychology than physics. It could be as simple as an ego trip or some other arcane agenda. There are plenty of precedents of bona fide scientists faking their findings because of peer pressure, publish or perish, history of mediocre performance or outright failure, etc. Jan Hendrik Schön springs to mind.
I probably shouldn't do this. I will undoubtedly regret it.
But I've made a little video for Mr. M. It's uploading now.
It doesn't meet M's exact specifications, and I have not bothered to duplicate features that are easy, like the glass table, the walkaround, etc.
In addition, I have left in some details that you would not see or hear if I were really trying to fool you. I hope we can agree that I could have not shown these details had I not wanted you to see them.
I ask you to review Mylow's glass table video, then watch this one.
Ask yourself some questions: Is it possible for him to have switched the stub axle assembly before the disk starts rotating, and is it possible that the disk wants to continue rotating at the end after the stator mount is removed, and is it possible for the stub axle to have been switched again while Mylow is conveniently misdirecting you and blocking your view.
Come on over, M, there's plenty of room on this side of the fence. And we do good work over here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH_fzTLerk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdIbu7FzXLg
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
OTOH, if the device IS a fake, what's his motivation for acting the way he is?
He's the centre of attention, quite an addictive buzz to some, a validation of character so to say. A strong ego boost produces strong endorphines, after all the ego pushes forth toward reproduction, so one would expect that mechanism to be hard coded into evolution.
He's buzzin of it! And fair play to him, he's done no real harm in my books. He's never asked for money. One could say he's wasting peoples time, but I think not, everywhere I look I see people wasting their time on much sillier things. Think how many litres of gas are wasted attending Star trek conventions for example.
edit: go Mylow go! (cue mcdonalds music "I'm lovin' it!")
Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 03:06:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdIbu7FzXLg
Yeah!!!
Rock and roll!
I like your tacho, CLaNZeR. Looks familiar.
Thanks, nyctuber, for the post.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 03:16:01 PM
Yeah!!!
Rock and roll!
I like your tacho, CLaNZeR. Looks familiar.
Thanks, nyctuber, for the post.
You got to have a bit of fun :)
Yep the Shimpo Laser Tach sat there, as tweaked the bearings earlier and was doing Wind-Downs and sticking them in the Maybe lookup oneday folder.
Now using Optical Encoder on other Rigs which counts 720 pulses per revolution. More accurate than the Shimpo, but the Shimpo still good for basic stuff and wind-downs. It looking a bit battered these days must admit :(
Back to glueing these damm magnets this end grrrrrrrrr
See Mylow flipped again. He either seriously taking peoples comments to heart or looking for an excuse to get out again.
If the guy has something, he should be celebrating and getting it validated. I know the rest of us would.
Bloody frustrating must admit.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 16, 2009, 03:35:41 PM
You got to have a bit of fun :)
Yep the Shimpo Laser Tach sat there, as tweaked the bearings earlier and was doing Wind-Downs and sticking them in the Maybe lookup oneday folder.
Now using Optical Encoder on other Rigs which counts 720 pulses per revolution. More accurate than the Shimpo, but the Shimpo still good for basic stuff and wind-downs. It looking a bit battered these days must admit :(
Back to glueing these damm magnets this end grrrrrrrrr
See Mylow flipped again. He either seriously taking peoples comments to heart or looking for an excuse to get out again.
If the guy has something, he should be celebrating and getting it validated. I know the rest of us would.
Bloody frustrating must admit.
Cheers
Sean.
Bingo! You just solved my slow-speed problems. I forgot totally that I have a 3600 line rotary optical shaft encoder tucked away, and it needs minimal interfacing. Thanks!!
EDIT to add: By the way, have you found any configs that do as well as the control (no stator) condition on your M/HJ rig in rundown testing? I found one almost as good...
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 16, 2009, 03:35:41 PM
If the guy has something, he should be celebrating and getting it validated. I know the rest of us would.
I would, and I'm sure most would agree!
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 04:01:12 PM
I would, and I'm sure most would agree!
Maybe he is, we haven't heard from him in a few hours. I guess we'll have to wait for the next "last" video. Or the next Examiner article by Sterling.
I guess I better get out all that cash from under my mattress...
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NOT.
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Hey, where's Mr M?
Did he fall off the fence yet? That video wasn't easy, you know; I had to change the laws of physics in my basement kitchen...good thing it's reversible (oh, darn, I forgot to show that in the video...but come to think of it, neither did mylow in one continuous video--but I can. When mylow shows this, so will I.)
@TK
With all due respect for your efforts, I can tell you I have read almost the whole thread twice. I still have the opinion that the fake theory stands on peanuts. Also your just posted video shows nothing but false comparisons and an oversized base which Mylow did not use at all. But I guess that is not important.
Again your graph may be showing what is happening but the conclusion is erroneous.
What happens to a wheel that has a given inertia and then meets reduced resistance? The reduced resistance is happening at 180 degrees from the rotors when it comes under the stator because up to that point, the south field saturation of the disk was applying some resistance to at least only 1/2 of the wheel.
For you, this looks like acceleration from an outer source. For me it simply proves the south field does have some influence on the wheel hence on the stator when it starts getting out of the rotor area but not to all the wheel if there is only one segment of rotors.
Regarding startup of the wheel without moving the stator bridge, why not. The wheel is 17.xx in diameter and the forces are being applied to the edge of the wheel going sideways and the force required to move the wheel is truly minimal. If the forces was strong enough to push the stator, then the stator is in the wrong place and the wheel will not turn. Beside, the stator bridge is mounted on a "T" base and to lift that T-base would require substantial forces that are way out of the available forces between the magnets. So again, no way.
It just puzzles me why you guys are seeing things in nothing. His hand did this, his nose did that, his feet were moving, why all this has anything to do with the wheel, I do not know. Next thing we will hear is he picked his nose and greased the bearing. His wheel turned and turned way before any movements were made to stop it so what is the difference in how you stop a wheel.
Again, the Bob Utah wheel was not a stable design since it had more then normal wobble potential. This is not Mylows doing. The wheel came to him like that and he managed to still make it turn on one segment of rotors. He asks his brother to let the wheel go even if he knows it will make some radial turn since the damn wheel is off balance. His, it's ok you can let the wheel go simply means, it does not matter if the wheel turns a bit, just let it go. His brother says its turning, of course its turning, it's off balance. Mylow cannot control his brother on the video and this is perfectly normal and acceptable stuff for novice videographers. Again, no shit to spin there at all.
As for any electronics in the device, come on already. We've been through this again and again.
So again, supporting evidence of fakery is lacking and does not support such an attack on Mylow.
I would recommend one other thing here @TK. Forget about why you think it is a fake. Tell me why you would think it is real. Tell me why this device is doing what it does but remove any fakery theories from your explanation. You will then start to see some things that you did not see before and I am sure you will then think of some controlled experiments that support the device. But again, this is a question of intent.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg179217#new
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7reVl8vZW0
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Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7reVl8vZW0
I love the bird, tempted to get one for myself. I have 3 cats so it is a worry, but I think maybe I could persuade them not to bother it, didn't work for my fire bellied toad though (RIP). But anyways having a bird on your shoulder is way cool, respect!
@Watts:
"I would recommend one other thing here @TK. Forget about why you think it is a fake. Tell me why you would think it is real. Tell me why this device is doing what it does but remove any fakery theories from your explanation. You will then start to see some things that you did not see before and I am sure you will then think of some controlled experiments that support the device. But again, this is a question of intent."
Gladly. Clearly, demanding outside verification is not what you mean. SO:
First, I would accept his cooperation in performing certain control experiments, like removing the stator mount assembly while the device was running and allowing us to analyze the resultant behaviour of the rotor. Simple and easy.
How it behaved would convince me that it was real, if it was. And there are a few others, whose methods of fakery do not intersect, as it were, so all we need is Mylow's genuine cooperation, not what he shows in the latest instructional video.
Second, If It was REAL, how could it be? Well, the hypothesis under test is that the disk is propelled by the magnet interactions somehow, yes? But all evidence that we know about, EXCEPT mylow's wheel, tells us that this is impossible. I know you don't believe in instruments or graphs, but I do, and my instruments and graphs are telling me that no matter how I arrange things, magnets passing magnets ALWAYS results in a loss. So all the evidence I have and know about, except Mylow's motor, is contrary to the hypothesis under test. And there is NO evidence, other than mylow's motor, to support the hypothesis under test. So I, not being a theoretician but only an empiricist, cannot tell you How Mylow's motor could be working, if it is NOT a fake. Sorry. All I can say is that I have repeatable solid evidence for my stance, and the only evidence to the contrary has been given to us by Mylow.
Now, controlled experiments, if conducted properly, should always try to _falsify_ the hypothesis under test, not as you say support it. Look it up if you don't believe me, I think Bobbotov has given an appropriate reference, but there are many others.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
@Watts:
"I would recommend one other thing here @TK. Forget about why you think it is a fake. Tell me why you would think it is real. Tell me why this device is doing what it does but remove any fakery theories from your explanation. You will then start to see some things that you did not see before and I am sure you will then think of some controlled experiments that support the device. But again, this is a question of intent."
Gladly. Clearly, demanding outside verification is not what you mean. SO:
First, I would accept his cooperation in performing certain control experiments, like removing the stator mount assembly while the device was running and allowing us to analyze the resultant behaviour of the rotor. Simple and easy.
How it behaved would convince me that it was real, if it was. And there are a few others, whose methods of fakery do not intersect, as it were, so all we need is Mylow's genuine cooperation, not what he shows in the latest instructional video.
Second, If It was REAL, how could it be? Well, the hypothesis under test is that the disk is propelled by the magnet interactions somehow, yes? But all evidence that we know about, EXCEPT mylow's wheel, tells us that this is impossible. I know you don't believe in instruments or graphs, but I do, and my instruments and graphs are telling me that no matter how I arrange things, magnets passing magnets ALWAYS results in a loss. So all the evidence I have and know about, except Mylow's motor, is contrary to the hypothesis under test. And there is NO evidence, other than mylow's motor, to support the hypothesis under test. So I, not being a theoretician but only an empiricist, cannot tell you How Mylow's motor could be working, if it is NOT a fake. Sorry. All I can say is that I have repeatable solid evidence for my stance, and the only evidence to the contrary has been given to us by Mylow.
Now, controlled experiments, if conducted properly, should always try to _falsify_ the hypothesis under test, not as you say support it. Look it up if you don't believe me, I think Bobbotov has given an appropriate reference, but there are many others.
Great test idea, show it running and then remove the stator. Then again remote wireless control of the drive motor is not impossible using an off the shelf micro RC receiver no bigger than half a pea. I think third party verification is all that would satisfy me.
I will add, those that do not believe in instruments or graphs should probably not frequent discussions of this matter. Scientific discovery is based upon collecting and analysing data gleaned through experiments and basing conjecture upon said data, failure to do so is somewhat of a weakness.
Beleivers owe it to themselves to give a clear explanation of the velocity profile so eloquently provided by Touko.
I'm sorry to say but Mylow appears to be yanking our chains. That's not an entirely bad thing, he has at least caused much thinking about the whole subject.
That bird is cool! AAAAARRRRRRRR! I'll have to get me one. The last one I had ate my eye patch.
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 03:04:50 PM
I ask you to review Mylow's glass table video, then watch this one.
Come on over, M, there's plenty of room on this side of the fence. And we do good work over here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH_fzTLerk
Hi TK, I ssee Sterling has just released plans for the latest updated Mylow Motor. I sent him you video link and asked if he could do a set for your device as well.
Mark
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Great test idea, show it running and then remove the stator. Then again remote wireless control of the drive motor is not impossible using an off the shelf micro RC receiver no bigger than half a pea. I think third party verification is all that would satisfy me.
Right, and I can tell you that the modern 2.4 GHz signal from spreadspectrum RC transmitters has no problem at all penetrating a completely sealed and grounded metal container. (Does anyone really need to ask how I know this?)
@Watts:
"Also your just posted video shows nothing but false comparisons and an oversized base which Mylow did not use at all."
Look, I made that thing out of parts I had on the shelf. If I needed to fool you and bought the stuff on purpose for that effect, it would look IDENTICAL in shape and size of Mylow's stub axle and would run an IDENTICAL disk to Mylow's for over an hour. The motor, running the big disk at 4 kilos plus, draws under 200 milliamps and the 340 mA-H battery is less than 2x3.5x5 cm, and again, it was one I had lying around, they can be had much smaller nowadays.
And as Yucca pointed out the whole thing can be controlled wirelessly, although I did not use that method. My unit is completely self-contained.
Besides, mine has only three LRFs and Mylow's has 4. So there.
I know it's the only thing that would satisfy me, especially after all his shenanigans, and no, I would not accept his wife and brother as third party.
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 04:47:43 PMI think third party verification is all that would satisfy me.
Quote from: markdansie on May 16, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Hi TK, I ssee Sterling has just released plans for the latest updated Mylow Motor. I sent him you video link and asked if he could do a set for your device as well.
Mark
ROTFLllllllll
that will have some blow-back, fer sure...should have told me, I'd remove the soundtrack and the description....
:-X
Quote from: markdansie on May 16, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Hi TK, I ssee Sterling has just released plans for the latest updated Mylow Motor. I sent him you video link and asked if he could do a set for your device as well.
Mark
lol
TK:
Too bad your replication is only 49.6% like Mylow's otherwise Sterling would award you the prize. Good effort anyway, ha ha.
Bill
This is pretty ironic. Sterling Allan, in releasing Mylow's plans, has this statement on the PESWiki site on the "Criteria to Claim "First Independent Replication of Mylow's All-Magnet Motor:"
3. Have your motor validated by a qualified individual or group that is willing to make their certification made public
From this site: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Version2.1_manual
And yet no such criteria has been established for Mylow himself.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 16, 2009, 04:54:59 PM
That bird is cool! AAAAARRRRRRRR! I'll have to get me one. The last one I had ate my eye patch.
Bill
aaaar, me hearty, to be sure, a bird like that can sometimes be a blaggard.
edit:very impressed with your earth battery lighting all those LEDs via a JT.
I believe mylow can get the motor to work but it has to be relayed a bit more scientific than "you have to respect the magnets". How can this be widely replicated and used if the main ingredient is chaos. I haven't studied HJ's work too much but he had some very god reasons why the thing would work. I doubt mylow is prepared to go all over the world to build 10kW generators because he's the only one who can hear what magnets say.
I think we need a change of stratergy here.
It is obvious we are not going to get third party validation (despite many requests)
At the time of writing we have not seen any working replications.
I suggest that we change our focus and get third party validations of the replications that are claimed to be faked.
Then we can sell plans.
@ wattsup
I admire your defence of Mylow and you do raise some good points, However please explain why Mylow will not allow a third party verification..either a visit to his place or send back the working "Bob's" platform.
I have a long history of seeking validation of working devices. The last one the inventor thought he was clever enough to trick us. we busted him..he disappered with 300k of investors money
The ones that do not allow third party validation normally end up dragging things on ...sometimes for years, I will not name them all (they threaten to sue me all the time)
I want to see a device work as well...bottom line..no replication...no validation ..no deal.
Mark
And don't expect there to ever be, judging from Mylows latest video, he's milking this to the last drop, I also note that his fan base is dropping off.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
From this site: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Version2.1_manual
And yet no such criteria has been established for Mylow himself.
RE cats whiskers:
Mylow cut off his cats whiskers, Mylow said on one video that "the cat asked me to do it"
Sterling Allan supposes that Mylow is akin to Dr DoLittle, in tune with animals. He also thinks that he is in tune with mother earth and magnetic fields in particular, feeling the fields as we cannot, some kind of gifted savant.
Well dear readers, I can tell you, as has been told before in this thread, cutting off a cats whiskers is NOT good for the cat, they are a primary sense for the cat and to lose them causes stress:
http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/question592.htm
Another nail in the coffin! boom!
duh... duh... another one bites the dust! lol! ;D ;D ;D ;D
edit: no doubt some believers think that the cutting of a cats whiskers is somehow beneficial, please do let me know how this might be so.
Quote from: markdansie on May 16, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
I want to see a device work as well...bottom line..no replication...no validation ..no deal.
Mark
PRECISELY!
One thing Mylow did do was get our thinking caps on. Its been good to see many people out there tinkering again and many new peope having a go.
I have enough cut and bruised hands from neo's over the years (flying tools are a real hazard)
My real interest is not seeing or discovering Free Energy (might happen) however if we can get a self running magnetic motor it may prove to be a great energy storage device. Even if the magnets deplete (I dont want to have that debate just yet) they may prove to be a high efficent way of storing energy for electric cars etc.
i still travel a lot looking at devices..I have one that I will be testing in the next few days (electro magnetic). I still hold hope that one of these devices will become very usefull.
There have been huge advances in solar, wind technology etc and the cold fusion is finding its feet slowly.
Keep up the good work everyone.....I am on one side of the fence..the only way to get me acrooss is to open the gate..this being replication and validation.
Mark
Maybe Mylow is actually a plant by the pharmaceutical industry. At least half of the people here will be on some sort of anti-psychotic/ anti-depressant by the time this is over :o
Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
Maybe Mylow is actually a plant by the pharmaceutical industry. At least half of the people here will be on some sort of anti-psychotic/ anti-depressant by the time this is over :o
Not to mention a couple of hundred bucks poorer!
cheers
chrisC
@Sterling
this guy needs your help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2e2fz5jMw
cat
MYLOW:
Please allow stefan to visit your house and validate this.
I will personally pay for stefans travel and hotel costs, which will come to less than $1000 for a few days visit. I am willing to go up to $1000 for this cost, after all stefan might like a 5star hotel and maybe a private masseur.
On top of that, I am aware that you find home visits somewhat intrusive. This I can understand, and that is why I am willing to give you $2000 just for the inconvenience of entertaining stefan for an hour or so.
This $2000 paid to you will be on top of stefans costs. Of course you're a good guy not in it for the money, so maybe you will want to give it to some deserved charity.
So what do you say Mylow, are you in? Believe me, I have the money, I am not blagging, I swear I will come good on this.
I await your response. you can email me on (fraser at ledset dot com).
I'm just doing this for the sake of Howard, god bless his soul.
Quote from: chrisC on May 16, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
Not to mention a couple of hundred bucks poorer!
cheers
chrisC
'Pops a Xanax'
Quote from: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
Maybe Mylow is actually a plant by the pharmaceutical industry. At least half of the people here will be on some sort of anti-psychotic/ anti-depressant by the time this is over :o
lol+
Quote from: powercat on May 16, 2009, 06:07:23 PM
@Sterling
this guy needs your help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2e2fz5jMw
cat
Now, a potato and salad battery....Mmmm, maybe MyLow's bird and cat can also participate! That's a thought. Now Stering has more news to report. Good find. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
it might be posible this aint a Hoax after all....
working with Junk around the studio....
OLD Hard drives and junk Magnets i got a little disk to do a full two spins
wow
Quote from: chrisC on May 16, 2009, 06:22:53 PM
Now, a potato and salad battery....Mmmm, maybe MyLow's bird and cat can also participate! That's a thought. Now Stering has more news to report. Good find. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
Interesting character... Second video in this particular series explains that the power company refuses to accept his wind & turbine generated energy for buy back whereas they will take the power generated from his solar panels.
Maybe he is the Susan Boyle of free energy. Appearances, appearances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipud_-eDVug
Hmmhm.
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 06:12:50 PM
MYLOW:
Please allow stefan to visit your house and validate this.
I will personally pay for stefans travel and hotel costs, which will come to less than $1000 for a few days visit. I am willing to go up to $1000 for this cost, after all stefan might like a 5star hotel and maybe a private masseur.
On top of that, I am aware that you find home visits somewhat intrusive. This I can understand, and that is why I am willing to give you $2000 just for the inconvenience of entertaining stefan for an hour or so.
This $2000 paid to you will be on top of stefans costs. Of course you're a good guy not in it for the money, so maybe you will want to give it to some deserved charity.
So what do you say Mylow, are you in? Believe me, I have the money, I am not blagging, I swear I will come good on this.
I await your response. you can email me on (fraser at ledset dot com).
I'm just doing this for the sake of Howard, god bless his soul.
I await your response dear experimenter. I feel the truth needs to be outed, please respond.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipud_-eDVug
Hmmhm.
Golly. He sounds all grown up. Hmmm...
I came up with that idea in the third grade. How about the rest of you?
(Voltage isn't power, power isn't energy, ta dum.)
Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 07:07:26 PM
I await your response dear experimenter. I feel the truth needs to be outed, please respond.
Aww riiite! The ante is now up to 5 large, by my count on this forum alone, not to mention all the other prizes out there.
"And it's getting harder
To explain
Sailors
To the Underfed..."
Yucca:
Thanks for the comment on the earth battery-joule thief-led video. Did you see the next one where I light a 48" tube from it? To me, this is true free energy and is much cheaper than attempting to replicate Mylow's device. Free light is always good and useful.
Bill
Here's another one, dedicated to the missing Mr. M.
Maybe we better check Under the fence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlfsx1ZaT0
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 16, 2009, 07:10:56 PM
Yucca:
Thanks for the comment on the earth battery-joule thief-led video. Did you see the next one where I light a 48" tube from it? To me, this is true free energy and is much cheaper than attempting to replicate Mylow's device. Free light is always good and useful.
Bill
@Pirate, not seen the 48 inch tube vid, sounds impressive, I will search it out and watch it.
My first thoughts were that the earth batts were galvanic in nature, but now I think they are not galvanic, I think they must be tapping into telluric currents. That's why you can't series the cells together, if it was galvanic then you could.
I would say as far as free energy goes, the earth battery method seems to be a strong candidate. Seeing you light all those LEDs is making me feel I should experiment with this phenomena for myself, I'm intrigued!
Best, Yucca.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 07:07:40 PM
Golly. He sounds all grown up. Hmmm...
I came up with that idea in the third grade. How about the rest of you?
(Voltage isn't power, power isn't energy, ta dum.)
That made me laugh... ;D
That, and your string vid.
We need some humor for sure....
Hey.... I just found something strange! No that's not it.
I was just playing with some magnets and a huge aluminum sheet I had and was sliding them down the sheet near vertical as they move really slow and it looks strange. Then I found if you keep making it more vertical sometimes the magnet seems to fall away instead of sliding, but then I discovered that it was because I didn't always use the same side of the magnet and I figured it was just the magnet so I tried several magnets and they were all the same, one side would not hold and fall away.
It seems the north pole would drag fine but the south pole would fall away while dragging down the sheet. In every case!
I don't know guys, Mylow said only one pole would work, this is getting creepy.
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 08:49:30 PM
Hey.... I just found something strange! No that's not it.
I was just playing with some magnets and a huge aluminum sheet I had and was sliding them down the sheet near vertical as they move really slow and it looks strange. Then I found if you keep making it more vertical sometimes the magnet seems to fall away instead of sliding, but then I discovered that it was because I didn't always use the same side of the magnet and I figured it was just the magnet so I tried several magnets and they were all the same, one side would not hold and fall away.
It seems the north pole would drag fine but the south pole would fall away while dragging down the sheet. In every case!
I don't know guys, Mylow said only one pole would work, this is getting creepy.
Eddy currents?
@ ALL
Quite the response to the plans i made, 118 downloads in less than 24 hours...
I've revised the plans to version 1.1 to include the data requested.
The latest set is available free from my private ftp:
98.210.103.190:55456
user: guest
password: guest
they're still rough, but it compiles a lot of the measurement info.
I did more testing on this and found that it's the south pole that is dragging harder than the north pole and that's why the north would slide, because the south was dragging to hard and causes the magnet to flip over.
If you lay the magnet down on an aluminum plate, with north on the right and south on the left, it will slide down curving left toward the south pole edge because it is dragging harder to the aluminum plate than the north pole.
This don't make sense because it's just the same field lines going through the aluminum plate. Why would the field direction make a difference?
Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 10:27:35 PM
I did more testing on this and found that it's the south pole that is dragging harder than the north pole and that's why the north would slide, because the south was dragging to hard and causes the magnet to flip over.
If you lay the magnet down on an aluminum plate, with north on the right and south on the left, it will slide down curving left toward the south pole edge because it is dragging harder to the aluminum plate than the north pole.
This don't make sense because it's just the same field lines going through the aluminum plate. Why would the field direction make a difference?
That is fascinating, and the only explanation I can come up with (got magnets here but have to wait till Monday for the Al at work) is that the axis of magnetization might not be the same as the physical axis of the magnet. Cylinder magnets? Could you post a picture so I'll know which ones to use?
Do you have any field viewing film? How about a file and some old bolts, to make some iron filings? Mix them in a small bottle of glycerin or sugar water, hold the magnet up to the bottle...
Either that or you live waaaay up north in Canada.
;D
This one is important.
Mylows tips on placing magnets
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305
:)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1307
Pay attention to the language and spelling of the
email supposedly from Mylow.
Sounds more like Bedini speak to me.
Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
@RB
Sorry but I will have to disagree. My first stance was one of skepticism due to the wheel base not being taken apart. Then it was taken apart and still showed to work. There is nothing concrete in all the pages on this thread that can fully support the notion that Mylow is a fake. NOTHING after 321 pages of all sorts of this and that, name calling, you name it, nothing in the collection of items supporting this is fake can stand up on its own. On the other side, Mylow has done more then enough to show it is real. He has gone above and beyond what anyone else has every shown on their device. So yes, I am a believer because I trust my own intellect, power of observation and also my logically thinking says this guy wants to show us something new. That's what this forum is for.
I have debunked my fair share of fakes on this forum so I do not need a tutorial on how to detect or observe. When something is fake, there is always a way to see it. But in Mylows case, aside form attacking normal things, no one here is able to show this to be a fake. Guys are just grabbing at straws because this is just too much to accept. Understandable but eventually, very tiring.
I think I have also done my fair share of observations on many other devices including the TPUs to have honed some level of skill in this area.
If you want to prove it is a fake, then go home, do your hours and hours and hours of homework and come back with a totally convincing, well founded and well explained argument of why it is a fake. Don't just come here, fly a graph and shout it's fake. Man.
Cripes I have already learned more about magnets with Mylow then I would have alone. So just there, I consider myself having GAINED something and not having lost something.
How could you possibly "moderate" this forum when you have such a vocal bias in favor of MYlows motor being "real" based only on viewing videos?
Is that even remotely logical?
This ENTIRE thread exists for soley 1 reason.
Mylow CLAIMED TO HAVE REPLICATE THE HOWARD JOHNSON MOTOR.
Essentially that leaves only 1 question.
PROVE IT.
MYLOW made the claim, the burden is on him. He has dodged it at every turn going on three months now.
There is nothing but video after video which proves nothing. Refusal to allow confirmation of the claim speaks volumes.
There is no point at all to even having a thread based on such a SIGNIFICANT CLAIM. A claim made by MYLOW, who refuses it to be verified and spends months posting repetitive videos making the same claim, over and over they are all useless.
Make the claim = back it up.
Squirm your way out of it = suspicion.
Period.
Quit acting surprised and insulted because EVERYBODY just doesn't "take your word for it".
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
This is pretty ironic. Sterling Allan, in releasing Mylow's plans, has this statement on the PESWiki site on the "Criteria to Claim "First Independent Replication of Mylow's All-Magnet Motor:"
3. Have your motor validated by a qualified individual or group that is willing to make their certification made public
Repeatedly this is ignored.
I am curious as to why????????
The simple answer is , make claim and back it up.
All the crying and stories and persecution and everything else means = 0.
You made a very outstanding claim which goes in contradiction to all known physics.
PROVE IT. That's all.
No more videos, prove it.
From this site: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Version2.1_manual
And yet no such criteria has been established for Mylow himself.
Just a quick questin to the Admin? have this site ever seen traffic like this befor mylow?
Sorry Mylow, I wanted to get my sceptical guess in too!
Hope I'm wrong.. but your MO has shifted towards that is faking the results. We've seen many many fakers, and people that are inexperienced in their findings, your disassembly and demagnitizing, and stating your dropping the project to do something else fall right in with the others.
Truely if this was real, and you are risking your life from MIB that already showed up at your house and your still posting video and instructions, would surely want to get this into the hands of others as fast as possible.
Anyway here is my guess of how your faking it. It would be wonderful if it's real, so teach someone else that has better skills at instructing others to make this work.
This video came to mind when I first read about mylow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xgq6LFi9U
@ellubpt
So let me get this straight. All the builders here as well as all the builders that come here as guests to get the latest info get to pay a good grand or so to replicate a Mylow Wheel and you guys get to shit on the guy we are working under. OUR ONLY POINT OF REFERENCE. Is that the way you think this works? Oh and I suppose we are all to think that you guys are doing us a real favor in jumping all over the guy. WOW. OK.
SO TELL ME, DO YOU THINK THIS IS LOGICAL?
Well as a moderator for this Mylow topic, as a builder, as an OUer, my answer to the above would be "screw you bud". If you think I'm gonna let you take any more pot shots at this guy, you have another thing com'in. All we as builders wanted to do was build and get into a good relationship with Mylow. Talk magnets. Talk wheel. You guys are the ones screwing things up with your greater then arrogant superior bull crap. So your pattern is over and thanks for nothing.
The only reason Mylow would want to come to this forum is because there are builders that have committed to this build and he feels compelled to our efforts. So, maybe you should find another forum, open a Mylow thread and shoot him down from there. Don't even think of opening another thread on this forum. Find another forum and good luck.
@TK
Did you get the message loud and clear. With the brains you have and the equipment and skills you have, your attitude and acts have been an insult to the OUers conduct. You have not helped but have hindered. You have aided in alienating our only point of reference. Thanks. Your escapade is over. I see now you will never be serious about OU endeavors.
@stefan
I think we will lock this thread. It is enough damage to our relationship with Mylow.
@wattsup,
could you please pass on the info of the ofeers being made here. I think it very generous to have someone offer to pay for Mylow to go to John's. What an honour to actually see and handle some of Howards original equipment.
Mylow is being flamed in other forums as well. He brings this on himself....just needs to get an independent validation...but he has dismissed that in his last video claiming we wont believe him....that is not true. We need this validation as we have all seen many devices and claims over the years...however it can be put to rest one way or another in 24 hours. Validate now!
@ Slipstream,
I posted your link over at the Mylow forum.....here is Sterlings comment on them.
"Mark Dansie brought these to my attention:
I've uploaded them here, and I'll be adding some of this great info to the plans I've prepared.
For those of you who get on my case for selling plans, remember, I'm doing this full time, and we need some way to stay afloat. While we sell plans at http://MylowPlans.com everything is free at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com It's just more clear and concise in the plans I sell."
As for the rest of you ...there are dozens of replicators out there.
have a look at this one. I am curious other peoples opinions why it wont work. I will post my reasons in 24 hours. But these video's are important to learn from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFQBh-trwKI
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM&feature=related
Kind Reagrds Mark
Info from Mylow via Sterling on how to find correct gapping of stator magnets,
copied from
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305
Quote from: sterling
Bcc: Mylow & bro, PMMTester
I'm going to incorporate this into a story I'm writing at http://pesn.com/2009/05/16/9501541_How_Does_Mylow_Do_It/
and I'm going to update the 2.1 plans with this information.
Mylow shared with PMMTester and myself this evening the "secret" to how he places the rotor magnet. With this information, a bunch of you should be able to be successful in your replications in a very short period of time -- with whatever magnets you're using.
As mentioned earlier, no two magnets are the same. Each magnet needs to be individually treated.
It isn't really plausible to post a template and follow it.
First, he glues one bar magnet down. He runs it under the stator to get its feel (I didn't quite understand what is accomplished in this step).
Then he takes the second magnet. He holds it in place next to the first one with his thumb. He then runs them under the stator to feel how much it cogs (cog = resistance). He then moves the magnet one direction (in keeping with the relationship that the gap between two rotor magnets at the perimeter not be larger than the gap between the two stator magnets) just a little bit, then he runs it by the stator again to see if the cog increases or decreases. He keeps doing this until he finds that place where the cog goes away.
Mylow thinks getting some kind of non-magnetic clamp would help in this process.
Once he finds that no-cog spot, he then scribes a line with a pencil on the disc to mark the place the magnet goes, and then glues the magnet in place. It is very important that you be able to glue the magnet right at that position, so be sure your markings are such that you will be able to put the magnet back in position.
As a double check, when the positioning is right, you should get that pendulum effect he shows in one of his tutorial videos. And the pendulum effect (rocking back and forth when pushes, like a spring) should take place directly under the stator, not to one side or the other.
He then repeats these steps with the next magnet. Then the next.
As no two magnets are the same, no two spacings will be the same.
By the time he gets to the 5th magnet, he says he starts noticing a strange effect. The repulsive effect of the first magnet as the magnets go toward the stator, begins to dissipate. The repulsion effect becomes a pull as the 2nd and 3rd magnets pass under the stator.
By the time you add the 6th magnet, if your bearing friction is low enough, you may get the SMOT device effect that he showed on May 13.
He said that by the time he got to the 7th, 8th and 9th magnet, that there was a bu-bump bounciness that began to come into the rotation. By the time he had the 12th magnet down, the bounciness was very pronounced. A cog had come into the middle of the set of magnets.
He then glued in the 13th magnet and then removed the middle magnet, so there were now two sets of six magnets, and the rotation became smooth.
(I presume that during all this time, from the 6th magnet on, he had acceleration if he let it go. He did tell me the other day that he did get acceleration with the 9-magnet configuration he showed in the caliper video.)
He cautions people that when they see this thing working, "It will change you." Make sure you stay humble and dedicated to the benefit of humanity.
I've got a lot of stuff to include in this present write-up. Be sure to check it out tomorrow, as I hope to finish it tonight.
I expect that I'll be getting a phone call from one of you in the next few hours, announcing that you've "done it." I'm looking forward to that call. Don't worry about calling too late, as that phone doesn't disturb us when we're asleep. It's far enough away in our home/office.
Sterling
801-407-1292
Thanks Mylow, thanks Sterling,
@wattsupplease ban the <what I call relentless idiots>, or at least put them on some kind of scheme where they can only make 1 posting per day, max.
Please.
Please remember that you felt sick last time, when you had to read their postings. Why should other people and new readers get sick as well, if you can prevent it?
please don't become a toothless tiger, by only admonishing them time and time again.
Thanks
Quite an eventful day. I guess.
Quote from: markdansie on May 17, 2009, 04:25:33 AM
<snip>
@ Slipstream,
I posted your link over at the Mylow forum.....here is Sterlings comment on them.
"Mark Dansie brought these to my attention:
I've uploaded them here, and I'll be adding some of this great info to the plans I've prepared.
For those of you who get on my case for selling plans, remember, I'm doing this full time, and we need some way to stay afloat. While we sell plans at http://MylowPlans.com everything is free at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com It's just more clear and concise in the plans I sell."
<snip>
Thanks Mark. My plans, much like I assume Sterling's plans are, are based on widely available information. I take no issue with him including the information in his plans. However, use of the custom generated images (from my plans) in his plans would constitute a violation of law and would make me most unhappy. I'm not generally a litigious man (actually I'm quite reasonable), but my plans specifically state that reproduction for anything other than personal use is a bad idea. Please pass these sentiments on to Sterling. If he'd like to contact me directly to discuss the matter he can reach me at jdevereaux@gmail.com.
Thanks, Slipstream
Quote from: oscar on May 17, 2009, 04:46:20 AM
@wattsup
please ban the <what I call relentless idiots>, or at least put them on some kind of scheme where they can only make 1 posting per day, max.
Please.
Please remember that you felt sick last time, when you had to read their postings. Why should other people and new readers get sick as well, if you can prevent it?
please don't become a toothless tiger, by only admonishing them time and time again.
Thanks
The OU/FE has had as part of its history a strong feeling that all of the endeavors put forth over the last many decades by numerous individuals are being countermanded by a conspiracy to suppress any form of universal free energy from being brought to the light of day. The bogeymen range from threatened scientists trying to ensure that the laws of thermodynamics are not violated to Big Oil companies and some clandestine army of Men in Black and the mysterious ultra secret Illuminati.
Not just here but in virtually every venue in which FE/OU is discussed anywhere on the Internet there are accusations that certain posters are either paid or not paid to debunk, derail or sabotage the efforts by those who ardently believe in FE/OU. It is imagined that these people's whole purpose in life is to tear down any effort to provide the world with the ultimate perpetual energy source.
So I find it very odd that the fear of suppression which seems to be pervasive with FE/OU proponents is actually being sought by the very same groups that cry that they are being suppressed. Is this not a blatant double standard?
Dissension in science is a good thing. It forces those who make claims to be ever so more careful in meeting the stringent requirements of due diligence. It forces them to rise to standards and not reduce the whole process down to information that has been sugar coated to the point of being useless and wrong. It prevents people from spending tremendous amount of time and effort on something that is fundamentally flawed from the get go but is allowed to flourish unopposed to every enthusiast and participant's peril. It forces a level playing field so that no one can arbitrarily make claims no matter how sublime or ridiculous from gaining traction when such actions are leading people astray.
Every scientist that publishes papers for peer review knows they are opening themselves up to validation/falsification/replication and they also know that validation/falsification/replication is the only way to ensure that the ideas they are promoting are valid and true. Regardless of how the idea may violate any laws extant in science that have up to that point been seemingly sacrosanct it is imperative that the process be unimpeded by any powers that be for fear that one voice no matter how right or wrong does not dominate. If any aspect of science cannot be challenged at any level than the whole process will be compromised to the point of being useless and nothing good will come of it. And any aspect means those that have been tenets of science for a long time and those that are newly being proffered. Violation of this process is anathema to science and any time you see someone who is attempting to squelch dissension the health and effectiveness of science is destroyed.
There are so many things that are odd and inconsistent with regard to this particular iteration of FE that it demands counterbalance. This does not mean that it is a free for all and some level of decorum is obviously necessary to prevent chaos but that should not include those voices who merely point out things that some do not wish to hear.
"@TK
Did you get the message loud and clear. With the brains you have and the equipment and skills you have, your attitude and acts have been an insult to the OUers conduct. You have not helped but have hindered. You have aided in alienating our only point of reference. Thanks. Your escapade is over. I see now you will never be serious about OU endeavors."
And yet, you cannot point to a single thing that I've said that is untrue or demostratably wrong.
Consider this, from your unshakeable position: If Mylow is true, I will be out a thousand dollars (which will be worthless anyway) and I might be a little embarrassed, while I'm running for the hills. If Mylow is false, though...how will you, Wattsup, feel and what will you do, after making the statements you've made?
If you were a poker player and that was in the pot, would you bet or fold?
I made my last two videos in direct response to a request from Mr.M. I took that last picture to show that my stub axle and Mylow's are just the same size, because, guess what, someone said, right here, they weren't, and I showed the small battery and motor because, guess what, someone said right here that it could not be done.
Who is telling you the truth?
What is being suppressed, and by whom?
EDIT to add: By the way, can anybody please give me a link to a Mylow "replication" that works better than mine or CLaNZeR's does, when tested properly?
Thanks in advance.
--TK
I believe he divulged the true secret. For some reason this makes sense to me now. Adjusting it one by one like he says until you find the point of least resistance.
OK, just a note to say that I am withdrawing my offer of $2000 for mylow to let stefan visit and $1000 for stefans expenses ($3000 total). When my wife found out she went crazy, so that's that lol.
I wish all the replicators the best of luck with their work on this, they're gonna need it!
Quote from: Digjam on May 17, 2009, 01:21:40 AM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1307
Pay attention to the language and spelling of the
email supposedly from Mylow.
Sounds more like Bedini speak to me.
Interesting observation.
Thanks for posting.
Mike
Now the secret is revealed we should have a lot of running replications by Monday. No need to offer money for travel.
Mark
So
I am out in the woods hunting CROW,I guess I'll make a pie [probably the best way to eat Crow]
Also have a great"" EGG ON FACE"" soup recipe
I should have lots of customers"" HERE""
Much LOVE [baked with love]
Chet
Eating CROW??
Sterling explains it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow
Must admit I have ran out of steam on this one.
Tried alot of combinations overnight and so far today.
When you get one set of say 6-7 working, then get the next set working, you have a little hope. As soon as you add the third it has ran out of steam.
Remember by postioning the first set into the repulsive field you are putting energy into the system. That energy then overcomes one or two more sets and them depletes.
The running video Mylow shows with one set of magnets, even with loose bearings I cannot see how enough energy is produced on leaving as set to push it back into the repulsive barrier, especially after doing a full turn.
Queue also has spent an enormous amount on this with little results and his magnets are identical.
I got fed up of glueing and ended up using two magnets either side to hold themselves in position. This allowed me to try alot of different spacing combinations, very quickly.
I tried various stator spacing and various number of sets.
Find picture below showing what I mean.
I still stand by that there is a weird effect with the Stator setup the way it is, and a interesting one as well. But I think I will hold back for now and see if anyone else has any joy. Got other stuff I want to go play with.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 03:52:26 AM
@TK
Did you get the message loud and clear. With the brains you have and the equipment and skills you have, your attitude and acts have been an insult to the OUers conduct. You have not helped but have hindered. You have aided in alienating our only point of reference. Thanks. Your escapade is over. I see now you will never be serious about OU endeavors.
@stefan
I think we will lock this thread. It is enough damage to our relationship with Mylow.
There is a big difference between supporting OU endeavors and supporting an all PMM fraud. I think what TK is doing is supporting genuine FE or OU research and at the same time exposing the fraudulous claims. In this later category belong all passive PMM claims including past, present, and future.
There is no contradiction in TK's position. One can believe in OU and yet distance himself from PMM frauds. For example, I think we will have an OU device sometimes soon, except that it will not come in the form of an all passive PMM.
You can moderate, ban, and close threads but the truth will survive. Mylow will be exposed for what he is as there has never been and there will never be a real PMM.
Miki out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow
Quote from: ramset on May 17, 2009, 10:03:47 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow
For what are you eating crow?
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 17, 2009, 07:46:23 AM
...
So I find it very odd that the fear of suppression which seems to be pervasive with FE/OU proponents is actually being sought by the very same groups that cry that they are being suppressed. Is this not a blatant double standard?
...
No. You answered your own question:
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 17, 2009, 07:46:23 AM
...This does not mean that it is a free for all and some level of decorum is obviously necessary to prevent chaos but that should not include those voices who merely point out things that some do not wish to hear.
We have a responsibility to identify and suppress suppression. Intelligent moderation is the key and I assume that this is no easy task.
1. Name calling is obvious grounds for suppression.
2. Accusations of hoaxing that lack specific technical examples should also be suppressed.
3. Excessively large numbers of repetitive posts, (skeptical or supportive,) by any one individual that add no new value, make it difficult and time consuming for us to glean out the few unique thought provoking posts. A daily post limit on any one topic seems unfair but, without this, moderating becomes a full time job.
4. Off-topic posts that add no value should simply be deleted. Your post and my response here should both be deleted because you and I are not addressing the topic.
@wattsup, if you delete this, my, post then that will be the end of it. I will not be posting a complaint about your decision due to item 4 above.
@markdansie
Thanks for your post and your previous post a few pages earlier did not go unnoticed. This post is not oriented to you in particular so please do not feel singled out in any way.
Some like @TK may want to pay attention here.
Third party whatever is NOT OUR PROBLEM. This belongs to Mylow to decide whenever he is ready to do so, that is fine with me and with builders also. I don't give a damn about any type of verification because it will not help the builders. IT WILL ONLY CREATE MORE HAVOC and keep us away from the magnets and the wheel.
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HELP THE BUILDERS IS STAYING IN GOOD RELATIONS WITH MYLOW AND TALKING MAGNETS AND WHEELS. THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL.
That's why we are on this forum called OVERUNITY DOT COM. That's why it is not call OVERUNITY NOT COM. We decide to do a build and talk with the inventor and get the right insights to making it work. This forum has to be the one place in the world where he is NOT attacked on a daily basis otherwise we are no better then the rest of them.
"Yeh but we have seen others in the past come and make claims". So what. Why are we here anyways? You think your rules HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. Screw that man. We deal with what we have once we decide to do so. You don't like it, lump it, digest it, or dump it. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS REALITY. Not based on anyone dictates like a bunch of dictators of how things must be to be accepted. Accepted by who? Proffering insults behind the scientific banner. Bull shit. If you don't accept it for what it is, that's your problem.
We are here to help the inventor with his disclosure, trying to get him to feel comfortable enough to start providing the right information. Making a place where he is both happy and eager to come back. How the hell are we supposed to accomplish this by treating the guy like a conman. Why should non builders have this right. We have been doing this for many years now and do not need lessons from smart asses on how to treat an inventor.
It is clear that the sole purpose of some members here is the conman game. That's all they are interested in. That's all they want to do is prove Mylow is a con. Fine, just go do it on another forum. On this forum, guys put their money on the table and look forward to good relations with the inventor. We don't give a hoot about anything else. You want to worry about hands and feet and whatever, that's your problem, not ours. We have past that stage already.
In the very first pages of this thread, everything was already accomplished for the builders. Enough was put on the table for us to decide, build or no build, talk or not talk, continue this or stop this, makes sense or does not makes sense. Once that decision has been made by builders, no one has the right to play around here to f*&k things up.
Members wanna swing their bats on the guy, fine. You have a right to do so, but do it elsewhere, not on this forum. We know how to offer criticism with respect, we know how to argue with respect, we know how to get things done all with respect for the inventor. I would not expect any less if I or any other member was in Mylows shoes.
We could have done and accomplished so much more here without the crassness of words and qualifications.
Lots of members may be to recent here to know that we have kicked off pestering negatives for MUCH LESS then the latitude that is permitted on the forum today. We have kicked and banned some TOP NOTCH brains because they just had one fault. Continuous pestering. If I was to put the value of 1 to the past tolerance level on this forum, today we have reached 7 or 8 easy.
@Stefan
It is time. The forum is now moved successfully but now we have to make a stand and take a decision.
I second this, I've watched the efforts of some superb replicators go to waste because of time spent on an obvious hoax, and remember we do know this happens, Archer Quinn is a good example.
I'm not here to subvert or stop people doing the things they
choose to do, but I do hope that if I spot obvious flaws then I'm permitted to point out those flaws so that people can make
informed choices, yes I have a little fun sometimes just as TK does, life can be far too serious sometimes.
@Wattsup
You can ban/delete my posts, but it will not change anything, accept that you will not have to read my posts, but this is not about you, this is about everyone involved, as already pointed out, you are not suited as a moderator because you are unfairly biased, btw, I would like to just make one point, I have never ever been abusive to anyone on this forum, but I saw your threat as abusive, if a moderator is to give warnings to individuals then it should be done via PM with a copy sent to the owner of the site.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 17, 2009, 09:57:01 AM
There is a big difference between supporting OU endeavors and supporting an all PMM fraud. I think what TK is doing is supporting genuine FE or OU research and at the same time exposing the fraudulous claims. In this later category belong all passive PMM claims including past, present, and future.
There is no contradiction in TK's position. One can believe in OU and yet distance himself from PMM frauds. For example, I think we will have an OU device sometimes soon, except that it will not come in the form of an all passive PMM.
You can moderate, ban, and close threads but the truth will survive. Mylow will be exposed for what he is as there has never been and there will never be a real PMM.
Miki out.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 10:14:40 AM
I don't give a damn about any type of verification because it will not help the builders.
Are you sure about that? I think the builders would feel a renewed vigor if it was verified, because it would then leave the realm of maybe and make great steps toward the realm of definitely. If it was verified by an honest guy like bob from utah then I'm sure everyone would be thrilled, I know I would.
What puzzles me is the reluctance to show a runner to ANY outsider? His continuing with this play of keeping his cards to his chest only points to him having a weak hand.
I understand not wanting home visits, but please come on, how hard would it be to carefully place a runner in the trunk of his car and meet some forum member in a mall carpark somewhere? Then he could spread the joy and become a legend, a hero! Everones happy then, don't you see?
So
I am out in the woods hunting CROW,I guess I'll make a pie [probably the best way to eat Crow]
Also have a great"" EGG ON FACE"" soup recipe
I should have lots of customers"" HERE""
Much LOVE [baked with love]
Chet
Eating CROW??
Sterling explains it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow
PS
Bob you need to get in the LOOP
Ok, I have to ask, is there a point to this?, it seems less helpful than wattsup claims TK and my posts are, truly I'm sure you have a point and I would be interested in reading what it is?
Quote from: ramset on May 17, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
So
I am out in the woods hunting CROW,I guess I'll make a pie [probably the best way to eat Crow]
Also have a great"" EGG ON FACE"" soup recipe
@Yucca
According to who's time table. Guys already know that this will take time. There is no "build it and make it run in 3 days guarantee" Just because we have not had some replications working, does not mean we will not with time. Does not give the right to blame Mylow. Does not give the right to DEMAND anything from Mylow. Does not give the right to treat him like a conman. Does not give the right to push this academic bull on the guy.
Once this effect is mastered by some builders, then, there is no stopping it. Or is tahtwhat some are afraid of. You can verify it and say it works. But if Mylow does not give us his best overview on the build, what's the point, except that then there is a risk of it dying. Just great.
We here make builds, we form teams. Mylow is our pitcher and he throws one hell of a fast ball. Now some spectators may not like him and call him names from the bleachers, but when his own team mates start ganging up on him, what does this do to the team. A good coach would simply warn the players, "Hey the guys a members of our team so treat him as such, even if you do not know how he throws his ball so fast. Who cares. He will show you with time". If some members of the team persist, the coach has a decision to make. Who is more important to the team. The pitcher or the 3rd fielder that can't stop pestering. Easy decision. I was a coach for 10 years. You kick the player off the team. Simple.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 17, 2009, 09:21:55 AM
Must admit I have ran out of steam on this one.
Tried alot of combinations overnight and so far today.
When you get one set of say 6-7 working, then get the next set working, you have a little hope. As soon as you add the third it has ran out of steam.
Remember by postioning the first set into the repulsive field you are putting energy into the system. That energy then overcomes one or two more sets and them depletes.
The running video Mylow shows with one set of magnets, even with loose bearings I cannot see how enough energy is produced on leaving as set to push it back into the repulsive barrier, especially after doing a full turn.
Queue also has spent an enormous amount on this with little results and his magnets are identical.
I got fed up of glueing and ended up using two magnets either side to hold themselves in position. This allowed me to try alot of different spacing combinations, very quickly.
I tried various stator spacing and various number of sets.
Find picture below showing what I mean.
I still stand by that there is a weird effect with the Stator setup the way it is, and a interesting one as well. But I think I will hold back for now and see if anyone else has any joy. Got other stuff I want to go play with.
Cheers
Sean.
Hi Sean,
Are your 2 stator mags with N-S at the edges of the arc? or the standard N-S through the arc? If at the edges, where did you source them?
heh, I've been trying the same way â€"using a second mag bellow the plate- to test different rotor positions, but it may also effect the overall field configuration so that’s another variable in the system.
Another simple way to attach and quickly test is to use double stick tape. The thin clear one used for vinyl flooring/carpets works well and lasts for few positionings if your mags are clean. The thicker used for mirrors works well too, but due to its thickness, the mags tend to rock a bit. No use of glues or clamps at all and works great.
Btw if the 2 stators are N-S through the arc , are these 2 stator mags from a cordless drill?
Nice work as always.
Thanks
Mike
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 10:13:11 AM
No. You answered your own question:
We have a responsibility to identify and suppress suppression. Intelligent moderation is the key and I assume that this is no easy task.
1. Name calling is obvious grounds for suppression.
2. Accusations of hoaxing that lack specific technical examples should also be suppressed.
3. Excessively large numbers of repetitive posts, (skeptical or supportive,) by any one individual that add no new value, make it difficult and time consuming for us to glean out the few unique thought provoking posts. A daily post limit on any one topic seems unfair but, without this, moderating becomes a full time job.
4. Off-topic posts that add no value should simply be deleted. Your post and my response here should both be deleted because you and I are not addressing the topic.
@wattsup, if you delete this, my, post then that will be the end of it. I will not be posting a complaint about your decision due to item 4 above.
Your examples are not of suppression but rather moderation and no forum can run successfully without it. Suppression is refusing to allow dissenting voices or differences of opinion to be heard that have merit but are prevented from doing so because they violate the preconceived notions of whomever is running the show. Moderating unruly members is for the purpose of preventing chaos. Suppressing differing opinions is not moderation.
Pointing out the benefits of validation and falsification of the claim is not off topic as this thread is regarding a "claim" (i.e. Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim). This claim is in no way de facto regardless of how many YouTubes are produced. It is just one man's claim without any justification other than what he says and shows. No advancement in science will ever rest solely on the claims made via YouTube alone.
Runningbear
my point!!
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Chet
@CLaNZeR
Noticed you post also. There has to be a way to position those stators to get a better effect. Is it possible that the gap between them is too big, or their linear relation. Seems Mylow says the stators polarities that meet in the middle have to be not that far apart.
@mikestocks2006
I don't know how putting some dual sides tape may cause an insulation effect on the rotors or take away some of the possible skin effect. That would be very hard to test one way or the other. I am trying to find some strong ready made plastic clips that would be good to just secure the magnets in place without gluing them because this is for the sure the most time consuming part of the learning curve.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
@Yucca
According to who's time table. Guys already know that this will take time. There is no "build it and make it run in 3 days guarantee" Just because we have not had some replications working, does not mean we will not with time. Does not give the right to blame Mylow. Does not give the right to DEMAND anything from Mylow. Does not give the right to treat him like a conman. Does not give the right to push this academic bull on the guy.
I'm very patient, there is no hurry. But I think if he just showed willing to share properly, of course on his own terms with regard to time, then it would be a positive step forward.
With regard to the pushing of acedemic bull onto the guy. Well I'm not quite sure what you mean, I wasn't aware that mylow participated in the forum. I thought this was an open forum, where truth and logic should be encouraged, not suppressed.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
Once this effect is mastered by some builders, then, there is no stopping it. Or is tahtwhat some are afraid of. You can verify it and say it works. But if Mylow does not give us his best overview on the build, what's the point, except that then there is a risk of it dying. Just great.
I think his current course is one that will lead to it "dying" if he wishes it to prosper then he should really share the real deal with someone. If it were me I would offer to build other inquisitive experimenters running rigs, for a price of course.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
We here make builds, we form teams. Mylow is our pitcher and he throws one hell of a fast ball. Now some spectators may not like him and call him names from the bleachers, but when his own team mates start ganging up on him, what does this do to the team. A good coach would simply warn the players, "Hey the guys a members of our team so treat him as such, even if you do not know how he throws his ball so fast. Who cares. He will show you with time". If some members of the team persist, the coach has a decision to make. Who is more important to the team. The pitcher or the 3rd fielder that can't stop pestering. Easy decision. I was a coach for 10 years. You kick the player off the team. Simple.
Sorry, but I don't see any fastballs being thrown, all seem to be going somewhat slow and wide if you ask me.
Anyway for now I will desist from playing on your field big coach man, you know best. I will retire to the bench and watch.
edit: also wasn't aware this was the builders thread, thought it was the general discussion thread. sorry for my mistake coach. And it also seems a strange game where the coach of one team is also the referee? The referee (moderator) should really be impartial and solely objective, but hey what do I know about baseball?
@TK
QuoteThat is fascinating, and the only explanation I can come up with (got magnets here but have to wait till Monday for the Al at work) is that the axis of magnetization might not be the same as the physical axis of the magnet. Cylinder magnets? Could you post a picture so I'll know which ones to use?
I posted a short video showing the uneven magnetic drag effect with a few different magnets. I am sure it is there but don't really know why at this time.
It's almost like one field direction has almost a hooking effect on the aluminum where the other direction a light push.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 12:50:32 PM
@TK
I posted a short video showing the uneven magnetic drag effect with a few different magnets. I am sure it is there but don't really know why at this time.
It's almost like one field direction has almost a hooking effect on the aluminum where the other direction a light push.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw
Hi lumen,
Could you quickly try the same experiment with nonconductively coated magnets? Curious if there is ant "skin effect" due to the typical eclectically conductive Nickel coating over the Neos, and its interaction due to eddies etc.
Nice interesting observation, thanks for posting.
Mike
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
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@mikestocks2006
I don't know how putting some dual sides tape may cause an insulation effect on the rotors or take away some of the possible skin effect. That would be very hard to test one way or the other. I am trying to find some strong ready made plastic clips that would be good to just secure the magnets in place without gluing them because this is for the sure the most time consuming part of the learning curve.
Hi wattsup,
If you are referring to electrical insulating effect, it should not make any difference since the ceramics (uncoated) are non conductive, well no Ohms readout upto 200 meg at least.
As far as magnetic insulation goes, the thin clear tape is of the order of 0.002†so the error offset introduced as it may interact with the Al base should be negligible if any, especially as it would compare to field strength variability from magnet to magnet, magnet dimensions tolerance, flatness contact to Al surface etc.
Thanks
Mike
I'm not permitted to respond to this in the thread it comes from so I'll respond here.
It's a very noble sentiment and one I would follow myself, but not with free energy, I'll try to explain.
Think of it as a chess game thinking several moves ahead, initially the rich man can employ these people to build the free energy devices and products that might go with them, now consider for the moment the advanced automated technology we presently have, what restricts full automation in most cases is the energy to drive it, but now you have free energy, essentially no restrictions, you will have mass unemployment from oil, coal and other energy providers, now I know a lot of you will be happy to see these things go as would I, but now your going to have to find jobs for the millions of unemployed who once worked in these industries.
I want free energy to be a reality, but I have no illusions that it comes with a big price tag.
QuoteDon't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.
look at this
this is the way to do it
leave out your logic or brains and start do some weird stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkmR5Ymsdys&feature=channel_page
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 12:50:32 PM
@TK
I posted a short video showing the uneven magnetic drag effect with a few different magnets. I am sure it is there but don't really know why at this time.
It's almost like one field direction has almost a hooking effect on the aluminum where the other direction a light push.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw
The surfaces of the magnet seem different (because of marking). Can that be a factor?
Asked & Answered on YT: it is just ink.
I am going to try this with a sheet of aluminum foil wapped on wood, and on the aluminum 80cm lid I have.
Quote from: zapnic on May 17, 2009, 02:07:58 PM
look at this
this is the way do
leave out your logic or brains and start do some weird stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkmR5Ymsdys&feature=channel_page
Zapnic, you have created a real stonehenge model!!
:o
What makes it work is well Mr. Hand as TK lovingly calls it.
@AZ
QuoteThe surfaces of the magnet seem different (because of marking). Can that be a factor?
When I first noticed the effect I only marked a little dot on a non surface edge because I didn't want it to taint the test in any way. It does not matter which side of the magnet I mark the results are the same.
It also does not matter if I flip over the aluminum sheet, or rotate it 90 degrees or even rotate it in the earths orientation, the results are always the same, SOUTH side drags more or does not hook like the NORTH side.
I need to do some time tests to see if it is an increase in drag or just some hooking effect. I still cannot understand why there would be any difference.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 17, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Zapnic, you have created a real stonehenge model!!
:o
What makes it work is well Mr. Hand as TK lovingly calls it.
sorry it's not me
it's great rdelos1disequade
MyLow's YouTube account is closed.... agian ...!
Mylow deleted his channel AGAIN? What happened this time....
Makes zero sense.
@All...
...as you probably know already...
All Mylow videos are on the BackUp site:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos
LightRider
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
@AZ
When I first noticed the effect I only marked a little dot on a non surface edge because I didn't want it to taint the test in any way. It does not matter which side of the magnet I mark the results are the same.
It also does not matter if I flip over the aluminum sheet, or rotate it 90 degrees or even rotate it in the earths orientation, the results are always the same, SOUTH side drags more or does not hook like the NORTH side.
I need to do some time tests to see if it is an increase in drag or just some hooking effect. I still cannot understand why there would be any difference.
Lumen,
Edit.... retested and now get same results...
I just tried your expirement with a neo and 3" wide aluminum bar and now DO get the same results as you are getting.
I get the same drag on North and South sides of my magnets..... at low angles but it falls away when the South side faces the aluminum...
Anyone else test this?
Bill
Quote from: deseret on May 17, 2009, 02:39:49 PM
MyLow's YouTube account is closed.... agian ...!
Let's hope this is the last time: The saga has gotten old. His audience share has dropped - I think there were only 13 comments on his last video.
And after the analyses showing the rotor slowing down under the stator and speeding up when not under it; and after the video showing mylow's brother holding on to the rotor to keep it from magically moving, maybe mylow figures it is time to call it a day.
I have to hand it to him, though: he has had a bunch of people dancing to his tune for a couple of months.
It did not make sense the first or second time, why should it make sense now, I do know one thing, he will be back.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 02:39:52 PM
Mylow deleted his channel AGAIN? What happened this time....
Makes zero sense.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
It did not make sense the first or second time, why should it make sense now, I do know one thing, he will be back.
Agree on all points.
@lumen
Thanks for the video.
Magnet north polarity exits the north side and re-enters at midway on the rim or edge or blotch wall. The south polarity exits the blotch wall and enters the south side. So I think the south has a weaker effect because the field does not leave and enter the aluminum plate right away. It has to curve outwards, go through the AL at an angle and then come back through the Al to enter the south pole.
The North polarity exits the north side and goes directly into the AL plate at full strength then curves back through the AL again to re-enter at the blotch wall. This is like a magnetic hook.
Now when you used the third magnet with polarities at the corners, the north side held stronger then the south side and depending on which side the north was trailing on, this is like when you are on the water in a canoe and just put the paddle in the water on one side to turn to the other side. Gravity is the motive force of the canoe and the north side changing sides is the paddle in the water.
Interesting stuff indeed.
@Maw
QuoteI just tried your expirement with a neo and 3" wide aluminum bar and DO NOT get the same results as you are getting. I get the same drag on North and South sides of my magnets.....
Maybe you have some impurities in your aluminum sheet. I do not know.
Keep increasing the incline until the south pole side starts falling off then switch over to the north pole side. You will see it still grabbing the plate. Increase it further until it just starts to fall off and then switch back to the south pole side and it won't even make it an inch before falling off.
Using another large plate 1" thick X 8." X 36" of a different alloy, I did get the same effect and also did some time tests to determine which way would drag more. The results are even stranger, they both time almost the same (as near as I can test) sliding down the entire length would take just under 12 seconds. If anything it's the north side taking longer which is opposite of what you would think since it seems the south side is dragging more.
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
@Maw
Keep increasing the incline until the south pole side starts falling off then switch over to the north pole side. You will see it still grabbing the plate. Increase it further until it just starts to fall off and then switch back to the south pole side and it won't even make it an inch before falling off.
Using another large plate 1" thick X 8." X 36" of a different alloy, I did get the same effect and also did some time tests to determine which way would drag more. The results are even stranger, they both time almost the same (as near as I can test) sliding down the entire length would take just under 12 seconds. If anything it's the north side taking longer which is opposite of what you would think since it seems the south side is dragging more.
Lumen
You are correct, I did not have my aluminum steep enough. I see the south side now falls away. North side still drags. Not sure if got my polarity correct... will check. Good find!!!! I made an edit to my previous post so it now supports your find.
Great observation...
Bill
A good way to find NORTH without a compass
@ Wattsup
I appreciate your reply to my post and in someways can see your point. I will leave you in peace for a while and let this play out.
If you can indulge me one more time..can yoou please comment on this.
"The primary reason Mylow has resisted having someone in to validate this thing is that this seems to him to feel like a denial of the open-mindedness and faith that is required to get this thing to work. Gifts like what Mylow appears to have, do not come from overworked scientific pursuit. They are nurtured by a certain state of mind and heart. Mylow is a very sincere person of pure heart, and skepticism hits him like a dagger. He's afraid that if he subjected his stuff to some kind of scientific circus that the gift he possesses could be taken away. He wants to preserve the "safe" feeling he has in his home, where his creativity can thrive.
Sterling
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
@Maw
Keep increasing the incline until the south pole side starts falling off then switch over to the north pole side. You will see it still grabbing the plate. Increase it further until it just starts to fall off and then switch back to the south pole side and it won't even make it an inch before falling off.
Nice on Lumen
As usual I got to prove everything to myself, rather than take anyones word for it.
So did a video response to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmPAetbB08
Good Stuff
Cheers
Sean.
Hooray for discovering something new. The next question is how can it be exploited.
Nice demonstration as usual, but then it's a quality I've come to expect from you, this is one I've played with myself, thick copper plating shows the effect much more clearly, but of course copper is not cheap, one of my favorites is to drop a neo magnet down inside a thick copper tube and watch it descend slowly, of course we know this is Lenz law.
Oh how I use to dream about elevators working on this principle, if there were a power outage and the emergency breaking system failed, the lift would still fall at a slow steady state thus allowing anyone inside to come out of it alive.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 17, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Nice on Lumen
As usual I got to prove everything to myself, rather than take anyones word for it.
So did a video response to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmPAetbB08
Good Stuff
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 17, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Nice on Lumen
As usual I got to prove everything to myself, rather than take anyones word for it.
So did a video response to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmPAetbB08
Good Stuff
Cheers
Sean.
Sean,
Good job,
I get the same results. At first, using a lower incline, the fall is the same. But with more incline the South side falls away while the North side still grabs the aluminum.
So, I wonder how could this affect a motor? Maybe this key to Mylows motor?
Bill
@Broli
QuoteHooray for discovering something new. The next question is how can it be exploited.
That is the real question. Now that field direction is somehow affected differently in nonferrous metals, there should be away to use this to some advantage. Like a magnetic field diode.
Actually I think this is what makes Mylow's motor run and really has nothing to do with the SMOT array itself since no SMOT has been proven to work in a circular fashion.
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
@Broli
That is the real question. Now that field direction is somehow affected differently in nonferrous metals, there should be away to use this to some advantage. Like a magnetic field diode.
Actually I think this is what makes Mylow's motor run and really has nothing to do with the SMOT array itself since no SMOT has been proven to work in a circular fashion.
Did you catch the 'Mylow's Gate' comment from Bedini
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1193
Quote from: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 05:21:59 PM
Nice demonstration as usual, but then it's a quality I've come to expect from you, this is one I've played with myself, thick copper plating shows the effect much more clearly, but of course copper is not cheap, one of my favorites is to drop a neo magnet down inside a thick copper tube and watch it descend slowly, of course we know this is Lenz law.
Oh how I use to dream about elevators working on this principle, if there were a power outage and the emergency breaking system failed, the lift would still fall at a slow steady state thus allowing anyone inside to come out of it alive.
I wonder if you get the same effect with copper with North side vs, South side...
Anyone have some copper to test with???
Bill
QuoteYou must cause an imbalance in the magnetic fields or you can not have a motor.
Like the imbalance in the magnetic fields through the aluminum?
Makes sense to me.
@markdansie
I would be pleased to comment on that.
Mylow has the right to call all the shots and do whatever he can within his personal limitations. That same limitation did not stop him from posting over 25 videos from the security of his home explaining as much as he could on how this works and how to make it, also, giving the world a "bird's eye view" of where he lives, how he works, etc. They guy is just a great guy. I have 3 brothers and the four of use just love each other and have so much fun on our Brothers Night Outs. I can relate to Mylow 100%. He's just a regular good guy. So simple.
I am totally convinced from my own trials that this is a question of feeling the fields interact to make the wheel work regardless of the wheel parameters but given that all components meet some level of standard. Two identically made wheels will never be made the same way because, and I had warned builders earlier on and now Mylow has confirmed this, that mass produced magnets will never have their identical field characteristics.
This feel he has for the magnets cannot be scientifically studied and I think he is afraid that if guys start poking into his gift, he may lose it. He is doing the same thing as a musician is doing when composing music. There is a feel to it. Make to many distractions and the composing will stop. That painting will stop. The creative process will stop under stress. The only way this will work is through practice. Practice makes.....
I think our intellectual capacity is good enough to realize his wheel is made of simple solid components with nothing hidden inside.
Every disclosure has its dynamics. If the device was open but had one black box 1 foot square, yes there would be reason for concern. But in Mylows case, no one can say there is a motor in his base and really get away with it. We know this to be totally preposterous. So what's the need for third party at this stage. Is it more important to have a third party then to have a complete and best disclosure possible.
The other problem is that the third party will not even understand how the wheel is working the way it is. Mylow would be explaining fields effects but the verifier will not understand this. He will be stuck in a limbo because if he says it works, then guys will ask, well how does it work. If he cannot answer, then we are again back to the drawing board.
So our job is to diffuse the stressful things and promote the useful things that will push the disclosure process forward. If we all agreed to Mylow that "You know what Mylow, you are right, let's forget this 3rd party thingy and let's concentrate on helping the builders get the feel of their devices working. We can always use their devices once working to make the 3rd party verification and this way, no stress man. No stress."
There are many situations for inventors, and again, I had said this before. Up till now Mylow has made the best decisions for him and his decisions lead him to develop a very interesting magnetic wheel effect that we can classify as new and novel. If Mylow made all those right decisions up til now, I am totally confident that he is making the right decision now with his position. Getting this feeling out to the ones that are doing replications is the most important thing we can have right now. Trying to dissect Mylow, his wheel, will not work.
The only other thing I can think of would be to ask Mylow if he would be interested in giving a classroom course in what I have coined as Magnetic Mylowology. He does not need to prepare anything. We can find a local classroom. Even provide a wheel, magnets, stators, etc., Book the interested people for this FREE or PAID course and take it from there. I am sure some will want to fly in from overseas for such a class. It can be 3-4 hours, lunch, another 3-4 hours and that's it or maybe a two dayer. Hopefully, with this hands on approach we can get two birds with one stone, that is teach how to build it and show it works all at the same time. Just throwing out a possibility here. We could maybe contact Oprah, explain the situation, show some vids and ask if they would be interested in financing a Mylowology class. I am sure someone would be interested in financing this. But this would be totally up to Mylow without any stress. No stress. Either yes or no. Both answers are perfectly acceptable.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 06:36:15 PM
The other problem is that the third party will not even understand how the wheel is working the way it is. Mylow would be explaining fields effects but the verifier will not understand this. He will be stuck in a limbo because if he says it works, then guys will ask, well how does it work. If he cannot answer, then we are again back to the drawing board.
wattsup, I think you are perpetuating a fraud,with your mumbo jumbo. The wheel has not been shown to work. All the evidence points to a source other than the magnets.
Ron
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 10:13:11 AM
2. Accusations of hoaxing that lack specific technical examples should also be suppressed.
I went back and re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his device operating on the glass table. I noticed the following 'technical examples' of a probable hoax. I suspect that there may be a fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it.
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page)
At 1:22 he walks to the back of the table taking the long route around the right instead of the short route around the left. (Avoiding the string to the left.)
At 1:40 he states that he, "wants to make sure that everything is nice and tight," and that he is going to move the rotor assembly to the right, (our right,) to make it go faster. (Adding tension to the string.)
At 2:24 he walks around the right side of the table again, back to the camera. (Again, avoiding the string to the left.)
At 2:47 he does a walk-around with the camera. (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, as if he is stepping over the string.)
At 5:05 he stands on the glass table, camera in hand pointing down at the device. Then he starts another clockwise walk around.
At 5:30 his left foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device. (The string?)
At 5:32 his right foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device. The rest of the path around the table he shuffles his feet on the table appearing to step over nothing.
At 5:51 we catch a quick glimpse of some 'breadbox' sized object sitting on the love seat in the background on the opposite, (left,) side of the table high enough where a drive motor might be placed. (There appear to be wires connected to the left side of this box and a 'stick' poking out of the right side, perhaps the switch.)
At 6:50 he again takes the right side path to the back of the table. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 8:22 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 9:05 he again takes the longer right side path to the back of the table, to show his face. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 9:25 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page)
At 0:41 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side. (I suspect that the string is still around the shaft between his left hand and the rotor plate.)
At 0:50~052 he appears to be moving the string out of the way as he mumbles something about putting, "it right there," as he touches the left stator support for some strange reason. (Whoops.)
At 1:18 he replaces the rotor assembly and mumbles, "make sure everything is lined up here." He is looking under the rotor, for some reason, up until 1:24.
At 1:34 he picks it up and moves it slightly to the right, (taking-up string slack.) Then he replaces the stator assembly.
At 2:03~2:06 again, he moves the rotor assembly even more to the right, (adding string tension.)
At 2:26 he lets go of the rotor assembly and it starts to spin slowly and smoothly. (there appears to be no jerking, (da/dt,) as the ends of the rotor magnet groups pass under the stator as we have seen in his other videos.)
At 3:15 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table to move to the back. (After adjusting the stator position and not getting any more speed, the rotor seems to be moving slowly at a steady rate still.)
At 3:22~3:37 he plays with the stator adjustment with no change in speed.
At 3:41 he, again, takes the long right side path around the table back to the camera.
At 3:44 he moves off camera to the left, where the drive motor may be located.
At ~4:10 the rotor seems to be accelerating. (After some tension adjustment from the motor side.)
At 4:45 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table to the back, avoiding stepping over the string on the left side.
At 6:45 he explains that he, "got this cool little rubber material so this thing won't slide." Why would it if, "this stator assembly is being pulled down?"
At 7:26 he, again, takes the long way around the right side of the table to get to the left side of the camera. (Avoiding the string on the left side.)
At 8:20 he does a walk-around with the camera. (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, like in the previous video, as if he is stepping over the string.)
At 8:37 of the walk-around, when he is on the right side of the table, we can not see high enough in the background to see that box on the love seat from the previous video, (at 5:51.)
At 9:21, after stopping the device, he moves the rotor assembly to the left. (To take tension off the string.)
At 9:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like at the beginning of this video.
At 9:37 he brings the rotor right up to the camera to show the bearing. (The string must be off the shaft now because we are at the end of the video and he no longer needs it.)
At 9:52 he quickly replaces the rotor assembly on the stand, (without taking the extra few seconds that he needed when he replaced it the first time.)
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page)
At 0:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like with the previous videos.
At 0:34 he shows the bearing like at the end of the previous video but he does not bring the rotor right up to the camera. (The string is still attached to the shaft.)
At 1:03 he slides the rotor assembly to the right after replacing it on the base.
At 1:05 he says, "I'm pushing this disk this way," (pointing to the right,) "so I can be able to get it to go." (String tension again.)
At 1:45 he says, "for me to get this to go, I'm going to push this this more that way." Again, pointing to the right. Then he does.
At 2:01 he says, "I don't know why this thing's not working."
At 2:27 he says, "I don't know why it's not working," as he looks under the rotor at the shaft, (where the string is attached.)
He fiddles with it some more and ends the video early, at 3:34, without success. (Maybe he got some body oil on the shaft from the end of the previous video when he took it apart.)
I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 17, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
As usual I got to prove everything to myself, rather than take anyones word for it.
Curious ... wonder what happens if you tilt the aluminum just past vertical. Will the magnet cling or fall?
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
I went back and re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his device operating on the glass table. I noticed the following 'technical examples' of a probable hoax. I suspect that there may be a fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it.
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page)
At 1:22 he walks to the back of the table taking the long route around the right instead of the short route around the left. (Avoiding the string to the left.)
At 1:40 he states that he, "wants to make sure that everything is nice and tight," and that he is going to move the rotor assembly to the right, (our right,) to make it go faster. (Adding tension to the string.)
At 2:24 he walks around the right side of the table again, back to the camera. (Again, avoiding the string to the left.)
At 2:47 he does a walk-around with the camera. (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, as if he is stepping over the string.)
At 5:05 he stands on the glass table, camera in hand pointing down at the device. Then he starts another clockwise walk around.
At 5:30 his left foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device. (The string?)
At 5:32 his right foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device. The rest of the path around the table he shuffles his feet on the table appearing to step over nothing.
At 5:51 we catch a quick glimpse of some 'breadbox' sized object sitting on the love seat in the background on the opposite, (left,) side of the table high enough where a drive motor might be placed. (There appear to be wires connected to the left side of this box and a 'stick' poking out of the right side, perhaps the switch.)
At 6:50 he again takes the right side path to the back of the table. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 8:22 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 9:05 he again takes the longer right side path to the back of the table, to show his face. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
At 9:25 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera. (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page)
At 0:41 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side. (I suspect that the string is still around the shaft between his left hand and the rotor plate.)
At 0:50~052 he appears to be moving the string out of the way as he mumbles something about putting, "it right there," as he touches the left stator support for some strange reason. (Whoops.)
At 1:18 he replaces the rotor assembly and mumbles, "make sure everything is lined up here." He is looking under the rotor, for some reason, up until 1:24.
At 1:34 he picks it up and moves it slightly to the right, (taking-up string slack.) Then he replaces the stator assembly.
At 2:03~2:06 again, he moves the rotor assembly even more to the right, (adding string tension.)
At 2:26 he lets go of the rotor assembly and it starts to spin slowly and smoothly. (there appears to be no jerking, (da/dt,) as the ends of the rotor magnet groups pass under the stator as we have seen in his other videos.)
At 3:15 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table to move to the back. (After adjusting the stator position and not getting any more speed, the rotor seems to be moving slowly at a steady rate still.)
At 3:22~3:37 he plays with the stator adjustment with no change in speed.
At 3:41 he, again, takes the long right side path around the table back to the camera.
At 3:44 he moves off camera to the left, where the drive motor may be located.
At ~4:10 the rotor seems to be accelerating. (After some tension adjustment from the motor side.)
At 4:45 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table to the back, avoiding stepping over the string on the left side.
At 6:45 he explains that he, "got this cool little rubber material so this thing won't slide." Why would it if, "this stator assembly is being pulled down?"
At 7:26 he, again, takes the long way around the right side of the table to get to the left side of the camera. (Avoiding the string on the left side.)
At 8:20 he does a walk-around with the camera. (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, like in the previous video, as if he is stepping over the string.)
At 8:37 of the walk-around, when he is on the right side of the table, we can not see high enough in the background to see that box on the love seat from the previous video, (at 5:51.)
At 9:21, after stopping the device, he moves the rotor assembly to the left. (To take tension off the string.)
At 9:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like at the beginning of this video.
At 9:37 he brings the rotor right up to the camera to show the bearing. (The string must be off the shaft now because we are at the end of the video and he no longer needs it.)
At 9:52 he quickly replaces the rotor assembly on the stand, (without taking the extra few seconds that he needed when he replaced it the first time.)
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page)
At 0:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like with the previous videos.
At 0:34 he shows the bearing like at the end of the previous video but he does not bring the rotor right up to the camera. (The string is still attached to the shaft.)
At 1:03 he slides the rotor assembly to the right after replacing it on the base.
At 1:05 he says, "I'm pushing this disk this way," (pointing to the right,) "so I can be able to get it to go." (String tension again.)
At 1:45 he says, "for me to get this to go, I'm going to push this this more that way." Again, pointing to the right. Then he does.
At 2:01 he says, "I don't know why this thing's not working."
At 2:27 he says, "I don't know why it's not working," as he looks under the rotor at the shaft, (where the string is attached.)
He fiddles with it some more and ends the video early, at 3:34, without success. (Maybe he got some body oil on the shaft from the end of the previous video when he took it apart.)
I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax.
Nice analysis here! I also like how you state at the end "Why I suspect this MAY be a hoax." No one should be able to argue with that. You are not calling Mylow names, or are you making any personal attacks. but, still be prepared for Watts to jump on you for doubting this already proven beyond any doubt in his mind motor. He will consider this a direct attack on Mylow and his family. I consider it a very good representation of the facts as presented to us and looked at objectively and stated as such. Very well done sir.
Bill
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
I went back and re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his device operating on the glass table. I noticed the following 'technical examples' of a probable hoax. I suspect that there may be a fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it......
I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax.
A fishy line huh?. Wouldn't it be funny if this was true. I think Wattsup should have an open mind and not treat everything as a personal attack on MyLow. MyLow did it to himself by deliberately not coming forth with a positive attitude to let some qualified people to verify this wonderful discovery.
Well, he's probaly gone fishing for good. You guys will have to pick up the pieces!
cheers
chrisC
If wattsup still has not even the smallest doubt in his mind after this analysis then I would be quite suspicious about his motivations, it is nice to believe in something, but a line has to be drawn when there is even the tiniest possibility that people are being taken for fools.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 07:38:21 PM
Nice analysis here! I also like how you state at the end "Why I suspect this MAY be a hoax." No one should be able to argue with that. You are not calling Mylow names, or are you making any personal attacks. but, still be prepared for Watts to jump on you for doubting this already proven beyond any doubt in his mind motor. He will consider this a direct attack on Mylow and his family. I consider it a very good representation of the facts as presented to us and looked at objectively and stated as such. Very well done sir.
Bill
I wonder about the earlier glass table video. Can you rewrite the script to fit the video on this also.
Anything after the event can be rewritten to look like an alternate story and it will in many cases seem more fitting than the real story because it was written in exact detail to follow the video.
It's what makes animation seem real.
But whatever you want to spend your time on.
It is a little odd that he seems to lift his leg while walking around and does the same thing in the same place while walking on the table.
I also wondered where he got that battery and electric motor the other day, did he go out and get it specifically to prove a point that it was not fake? Why would he have something like that lying around.
All that being said it's impossible to see any wire or line in the videos.
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 07:50:50 PM
I wonder about the earlier glass table video. Can you rewrite the script to fit the video on this also.
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Did I miss one?
Please provide me with a link and I will have a look.
I want to believe that Mylow is sincere. But, as the saying goes, "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 07:53:56 PM
It is a little odd that he seems to lift his leg while walking around and does the same thing in the same place while walking on the table.
To be technically accurate, I only saw him lift his legs once, (when he was standing one the table.)
The other two walk-arounds I only saw, and stated, that the camera was 'bouncy' at that spot on the left side of the table.
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
To be technically accurate, I only saw him lift his legs once, (when he was standing one the table.)
The other two walk-arounds I only saw, and stated, that the camera was 'wobbly' at that spot on the left side of the table.
A body part comes into view briefly while hes walking around on the floor when he makes a movement like he's stepping over something. I'd say it's a knee.
@Rosphere
I admire your methodology but what string are you talking about?
I won't go through the whole thing so let's just take one place in the following video.
(NEW VIDEO #19) Magneticmotor1 (Mylow) Magnet Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page
At 1:25 he takes the stator bridge to put it back into place without any attempt to deviate through any "string" going out from the left. He just lowered the bridge into place. If there was a string coming out the left center, it would have been stuck between the bride and the 2 by 4. He then normally slid the wheel to the right because it was obviously to far left.
Sorry but I don't buy it. Too easy. No string. All his actions are just actions that anyone would take when manipulating and taking apart things.
Where would you put things that were already on the glass table if you wanted to use the table for a demo. Well, putting things on the sofa would be my first choice.
Walking from the right instead of the left. WOW. That is stretching it pretty far. Now a video has to be shown with a guy walking from both sides.
Lifting his foot. Sorry he did not make any more or less effort with his feet throughout the whole walk around. Just feet trying to find footing while turning around a table with a video in one hand. Try it some time and see.
All in all very interesting but not a shred of real factual evidence. An invisible string is not evidence and human mannerisms of the type you are describing are not out of the ordinary.
Maybe whatever used to be on the table is what he is walking around?
I was thinking of the earlier Stonehenge setup but you must be kidding, a string?
Don't you think any of the clear line would pick up a glare off the lighting while it was bouncing around and you would see it on the video.
If it was a very thin black thread it may be possible to not see it but the background glare off the glass table would show some artifacts.
The whole concept would be much harder than you suggest and at this point would have been risky for Mylow to have his fraud revealed.
Just repeat after me..... WOW it works, WOW it works. Isn't this easier?
If it's a fake and he hides it now, you will wonder forever. If you let him go, you will know the answer in time.
Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
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At 1:25 he takes the stator bridge to put it back into place without any attempt to deviate through any "string" going out from the left. He just lowered the bridge into place. If there was a string coming out the left center, it would have been stuck between the bride and the 2 by 4. He then normally slid the wheel to the right because it was obviously to far left.
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Did he lower it, or slide it in from behind?
I think the fishing-line, invisible to the camera, was just in front of the left stator support, up high near the rotor plate. Leaving plenty of room to lower/slide the left stator support's front-base leg under the fishing line.
To be fair, I looked and looked for some glint from this supposed fishing line and I saw none. So, you could be right.
Why were all of his rotor assembly adjustments from left-to-right before starting the device and right-to-left when taking it apart?
Also, if he is standing on the left side of the camera why would he walk, so many times, ~270 degrees around the table to the right when he could have simply walked ~90 degrees to the left.
wattsup, as God is my witness, I wanted to believe. I believed that this was for real for a few days. I was so excited that I almost purchased materials today for a replication attempt. Now I can continue to pay down my debits.
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page)
At 0:50~052 he appears to be moving the string out of the way as he mumbles something about putting, "it right there," as he touches the left stator support for some strange reason. (Whoops.)
I watched that section over and over when it first came out. I was going to say something, but I didn't think of a clear fishing line type of string at the time. It is a little puzzling.
Joe
Not really, it's an old trick to take fine glass paper and dull cat gut line, wash it off with water and your left with a non reflective partially translucent line, then add to that the video goes through compression, we all know how much detail can be lost in Youtube videos.
Is it string driven, I do not know, but it was asked that people show possible ways this could be faked, but despite some very plausible demonstrations they are not being accepted, how can anyone convince others of a possible fake under these circumstances?
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 08:14:30 PM
Maybe whatever used to be on the table is what he is walking around?
I was thinking of the earlier Stonehenge setup but you must be kidding, a string?
Don't you think any of the clear line would pick up a glare off the lighting while it was bouncing around and you would see it on the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vku5WIrYoRs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SaMQIqyKNo&feature=channel_page
From the Yahoo group.
Check out the comment in the end credits.
@Rosphere
He lowered it.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 08:28:10 PM
Not really, it's an old trick to take fine glass paper and dull cat gut line, wash it off with water and your left with a non reflective partially translucent line, then add to that the video goes through compression, we all know how much detail can be lost in Youtube videos.
Is it string driven, I do not know, but it was asked that people show possible ways this could be faked, but despite some very plausible demonstrations they are not being accepted, how can anyone convince others of a possible fake under these circumstances?
In a video I made admitting having hidden power (trying to figure out how the original fake could have been done), I used red AWG#30 wire on the front edge of a 1/4 " piece of plexiglass. You can not see the wire in a clear shot of that edge from the youtube video.
Joe
I have provided what I believe to be a substantial theory as to why the Mylow motor could work based on something no one has tried as far as I know.
I can only look at why this could work where others failed and what is different. I believe they are all fake because this cannot be done and knowing that one day someone will find something that is different and then it will work.
If it is fake, time lends itself to mistakes and it will become obvious in time.
Once someone makes this claim they must continue to support it unless you give then a reason to stop and not continue. If you really want it shown to be fake then you do nothing and let the show continue.
Besides, pointing out the fake does not earn that many points to make it worth my time.
From a legal point of view, if this is shown to be a fake. Where does that leave Peswiki and Sterling ? let alone Mr. Magic MyLow, he's even dragged his family into this "deception"
I'm sure this would then be classed as fraud, any ideas ? Hate to be in their shoes ! Is PESwiki going to pay back any money taken for plans and videos etc..?
Wonder if the police would use the youtube videos as evidence :) lol
Mylow has just dug himself a big deep hole in my opinion and is a waste of time until he takes his device to a university where the academics and technicians would be more than happy to test it. I speak from experience, having spent 8 years in academics.
Good luck Mylow, it will be a pity when you drag other people with you through the dirt.
NYCtuber, i see the second video with the statement has already been withdrawn (part 1 is still there).
Interesting.
If YouTube User "Magnetman 1000" reads this, please contact me ;)
Quote from: xumed on May 17, 2009, 09:44:44 PM
From a legal point of view, if this is shown to be a fake. Where does that leave Peswiki and Sterling ? let alone Mr. Magic MyLow, he's even dragged his family into this "deception"
I'm sure this would then be classed as fraud, any ideas ? Hate to be in their shoes ! Is PESwiki going to pay back any money taken for plans and videos etc..?
Wonder if the police would use the youtube videos as evidence :) lol
Mylow has just dug himself a big deep hole in my opinion and is a waste of time until he takes his device to a university where the academics and technicians would be more than happy to test it. I speak from experience, having spent 8 years in academics.
Good luck Mylow, it will be a pity when you drag other people with you through the dirt.
I'm no lawyer (I doubt I would admit it if I were) but folks can bark all they want. Take Mylow to a judge in Illinois and that big fat sheriff will walk you out by your ear.
If folks can be nailed for scams on the web without asking for money or goods then it is about time for a firing squad for many.
As far as Peswiki goes I also doubt it can be applied to them either. I haven't even read those plans and don't need them.
Your statement about taking it to a university - I'll just say I completely disagree. Yes, I have experience with that. AND, that should be one of the last steps.
From a legal standpoint Mylow and his family have nothing to worry about, he is not selling anything, just making an unsubstantiated claim, and there's a lot of those on Youtube, but Peswiki using his name to sell the plans on an unsubstantiated claim might have a problem.
Quote from: xumed on May 17, 2009, 09:44:44 PM
From a legal point of view, if this is shown to be a fake. Where does that leave Peswiki and Sterling ? let alone Mr. Magic MyLow, he's even dragged his family into this "deception"
I'm sure this would then be classed as fraud, any ideas ? Hate to be in their shoes ! Is PESwiki going to pay back any money taken for plans and videos etc..?
Wonder if the police would use the youtube videos as evidence :) lol
Mylow has just dug himself a big deep hole in my opinion and is a waste of time until he takes his device to a university where the academics and technicians would be more than happy to test it. I speak from experience, having spent 8 years in academics.
Good luck Mylow, it will be a pity when you drag other people with you through the dirt.
Quote from: BEP on May 17, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
I'm no lawyer (I doubt I would admit it if I were) but folks can bark all they want. Take Mylow to a judge in Illinois and that big fat sheriff will walk you out by your ear.
If folks can be nailed for scams on the web without asking for money or goods then it is about time for a firing squad for many.
As far as Peswiki goes I also doubt it can be applied to them either. I haven't even read those plans and don't need them.
Your statement about taking it to a university - I'll just say I completely disagree. Yes, I have experience with that. AND, that should be one of the last steps.
Mylow knows people are spending money trying to replicate it. If it were a scam, I do believe he could be held responsible by the mere fact that, in his words, he wants other people to replicate it.
Two things should make you wonder:
(1) Why is Sterling so convinced this works that he would stake virtually everything on this claim of Mylows?
(2) Why is Mylow willing to go public with something so controversial and is going to be questioned by so many people, when he obviously does not like controversy?
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I agree that Mylow is probably safe. (probably. With the right attorney though, anything is possible) But, I believe Sterling will have really big problems. Funny how that works. He is the one that threatened huge law suits and now, maybe, he will be on the other end of many. Maybe what goes around comes around still works?
Bill
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 10:17:40 PM
Mylow knows people are spending money trying to replicate it. If it were a scam, I do believe he could be held responsible by the mere fact that, in his words, he wants other people to replicate it.
He also said a couple of times that it is a fake. Take that sarcastically or not, he said it. Maybe if it is a fake, the big motor and battery that he showed really was attached to the other end of the string loop.
Joe
What in the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyco6AXP9MQ&feature=channel_page
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 10:37:30 PM
What in the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyco6AXP9MQ&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyco6AXP9MQ&feature=channel_page)
That may be an old bar trick. One swipe of the bottom of the egg on 200 grit sandpaper will give an almost undetectable flat on which the egg can stand. A college buddy of mine won many beers using this technique. Was Sterling's father a con man? (I am just asking here, I have no idea) EDIT for clarity: This means I don't know which is why I am asking this question. By asking this question, I am not drawing any conclusions at this time, I am just attempting to gather additional information.
Bill
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 17, 2009, 10:35:09 PM
He also said a couple of times that it is a fake. Take that sarcastically or not, he said it. Maybe if it is a fake, the big motor and battery that he showed really was attached to the other end of the string loop.
Joe
I've been doing a little analysis with photoshop and can't see any string.
But he definitely stops and steps over something real or imaginary while on the floor and again on the table. I saw the table thing the first time but dismissed it b/c a string never occurred to me.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 10:42:12 PM
That may be an old bar trick. One swipe of the bottom of the egg on 200 grit sandpaper will give an almost undetectable flat on which the egg can stand. A college buddy of mine won many beers using this technique. Was Sterling's father a con man? (I am just asking here, I have no idea)
Bill
If that guy posts video of an all-egg motor on youtube I'm jumping out the window.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 10:48:48 PM
If that guy posts video of an all-egg motor on youtube I'm jumping out the window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2nE_Q1tQg&feature=related
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 17, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2nE_Q1tQg&feature=related
LOL
You got 3 minutes to spare, go grab an egg and hold it wide end down for around 3 minutes then place it on a flat surface, is it magic or diallel lines(whatever they are)?, no, it's plain old center of gravity, the yolk sinks, remember that toy the wobbling police man, it's the same thing, center of gravity at the lowest point.
it's even more fun if you can boil the egg while it's in that state, then no matter how you roll it, it will always end sitting upright.
EDIT:
My grandfather used to pull that trick on me, it was years before I knew how he did it.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 10:37:30 PM
What in the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyco6AXP9MQ&feature=channel_page
RB:
I didn't know that "trick" about the yolk sinking but it makes sense. So here is yet another "trick" exposed? This is all making my head spin.
NYC:
An all egg motor.....that was a really good one, ha ha.
Bill
Quote from: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
You got 3 minutes to spare, go grab an egg and hold it wide end down for around 3 minutes then place it on a flat surface, is it magic or diallel lines(whatever they are)?, no, it's plain old center of gravity, the yolk sinks, remember that toy the wobbling police man, it's the same thing, center of gravity at the lowest point.
it's even more fun if you can boil the egg while it's in that state, then no matter how you roll it, it will always end sitting upright.
I do know it's a center of gravity thing, what's really amazing me is how far off the deep end Sterling and his fans are going with this. It's really making me sad.
I just edited my post, my grandfather used to pull that trick on me.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
RB:
I didn't know that "trick" about the yolk sinking but it makes sense. So here is yet another "trick" exposed? This is all making my head spin.
Sorry nyctuber, was not calling you dumb or anything, it was years before I learned how it was done.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 11:10:16 PM
I do know it's a center of gravity thing, what's really amazing me is how far off the deep end Sterling and his fans are going with this. It's really making me sad.
RB:
At least your grandfather did not sell you plans on how to detect the ley lines or whatever they are. So, Sterling's father invented Weebles? (Weebles wobble but they don't fall down)
Bill
Quote from: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 11:12:22 PM
Sorry nyctuber, was not calling you dumb or anything, it was years before I learned how it was done.
Lol no offence taken. I wonder how many years it will take to know how Mylow did (or didn't) do it.
That's it, I could not remember the name, but that just bought the ad flooding back and made me laugh.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 11:13:11 PM
RB:
At least your grandfather did not sell you plans on how to detect the ley lines or whatever they are. So, Sterling's father invented Weebles? (Weebles wobble but they don't fall down)
Bill
Quote from: Rosphere on May 17, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
I went back and re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his device operating on the glass table. I noticed the following 'technical examples' of a probable hoax. I suspect that there may be a fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the left
I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax.
Good observations Rosphere, I just reviewed the videos and once you know what to look for his actions speak louder than words. And always the lighting from the rear right quarter.
The first step over is so clear... you see the toes of his socks through the glass table as he starts his CW shuffle... then the left foot stops and the right foot closes up at a rather awkward angle and pauses... then the left foot is way over, the right foot joins it then the normal CW shuffle resumes...
I hope TK is here to see this? Excellent work all of you with the graphs and video analysis.
Now lets not apply the the string drive to all the mylow vids!
In the "last", "last" vid it is most likely being spun up by Mr Hand, until he starts to talk and then the evidence points to a simple run down. None of the 'little' bits of evidence by themselves were the smoking gun but Rosphere's brilliant observations tie this all together and reveal the hidden mechanism for these last videos.
I feel sorry for all the diehard believers, including our moderator, but the evidence for a hoax was present from the beginning... the wife's broom, the phony mibs, and the absolute refusal to let anyone witness the device running.
(there were more anomalies, a couple in each vid, but this is
a short list)
The fat lady has sung!
Ron
WTF you think you can just go around accusing people's fathers of being con men??
This place is getting completely out of hand.... Pirate needs to apologize for that remark, and be given a "time-out". There is no excuse for that.
Even if it is all a fake (and none of you in the echo chamber really know that yet), does that give you the right to cast aspersions on someone's father just for the hell of it?
If you were standing next to someone, and said that about their Dad... You could suddenly find yourself on your ass looking at all the pretty stars.
I guess saying it over a computer makes that not much of a worry, huh?
People who come here and see this kind of utter crap, will do what? Probably just leave.
... Or is that the idea behind it all?
Die thread......die............Just die already.
Goddamn it thread.
This thread is a "Marathon of BULLSHIT!!!"
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I don't know about Pirate, I know I would not call liar to his face, but I would show him how he did it, plain and simple, then I would be happy to hear why he claims these diallel lines are doing it.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 17, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
WTF you think you can just go around accusing people's fathers of being con men??
This place is getting completely out of hand.... Pirate needs to apologize for that remark, and be given a "time-out". There is no excuse for that.
Even if it is all a fake (and none of you in the echo chamber really know that yet), does that give you the right to cast aspersions on someone's father just for the hell of it?
If you were standing next to someone, and said that about their Dad... You could suddenly find yourself on your ass looking at all the pretty stars.
I guess saying it over a computer makes that not much of a worry, huh?
People who come here and see this kind of utter crap, will do what? Probably just leave.
... Or is that the idea behind it all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vku5WIrYoRs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cc3D70zqTQ&feature=channel_page
Yes i see its back now, it appears to have approx. 1:30 more at the beginning than the earlier version of the second one; now showing the HJ track devices and the Patent (the one that was exactly 30 years old last month). There a young man there briefly, i wonder if it is Al lol? The statement at the end is still there too ;) .
@Rosphere
Just look at the sequence. Look at the right bridge horizontal will tell you where the left one is. Huh. It goes directly down without a pivot. He was looking at the stators to make sure it does not knock on the rotors like anyone would do. He then had to push the wheel to the right because it was simply too far to the left. Why else?
Rosphere I am not saying you did not make it a good effort but, I see no string. I can see nice carpet details, even good details in the background but evident usury motions that would even infer the avoidance of a string during the video. No. And a string. No. The string theory for me is a nice mystery but not fact. I know it is difficult to accept Rosphere but still, the obvious is the obvious and we cannot just make up a string to explain it. If it was that easy, then we can all go home.
It never ends.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1369
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 01:01:43 AM
It never ends.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1369
Well, it seemed like Andy's set up is as similar to MyLow's. If even after these specific one-to-one teachings from MyLow and Andy can't get his motor going, we'll going to know whether there are other factors involved. Wait and see. It's nail biting time....
cheers
chrisC
I hope you have fairly long nails.
No two motors are the same?, no two magnets are the same?, ok I'll go for that, there are tolerances in all kinds of devices, but remember Mylow set these to the disk using glue, and magnets even weak ones when that close to each other will either repel or attract depending on poles, so what do you think is happening while the glue is setting?
Quote from: chrisC on May 18, 2009, 01:08:12 AM
Well, it seemed like Andy's set up is as similar to MyLow's. If even after these specific one-to-one teachings from MyLow and Andy can't get his motor going, we'll going to know whether there are other factors involved. Wait and see. It's nail biting time....
cheers
chrisC
hummmm...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxrS5njIiHM
Quote from: Giga on May 18, 2009, 01:40:04 AM
hummmm...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxrS5njIiHM
The number of failures are quickly racking up.....
Maybe none of us have this Midas touch.
cheers
chrisC
IS THIS REAL OVER UNITY????? --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5jtx0IFgQ
440% over unity magnetic motor home generator
?
POWER A HOUSE? wth
If that things for real then Mylows motor will definitely take a back seat, actually that's a fairly old one, if you do a google search you should be able to find the history on it.
Quote from: Giga on May 18, 2009, 01:51:34 AM
IS THIS REAL OVER UNITY????? --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5jtx0IFgQ
440% over unity magnetic motor home generator
?
The company is Lutec, you might want to start here http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec.htm
It's been a couple of years since I last saw these guys mentioned.
Quote from: chrisC on May 18, 2009, 01:44:42 AM
The number of failures are quickly racking up.....
Maybe none of us have this Midas touch.
cheers
chrisC
Two comments on one of my last videos, apparently from MyLOW:
magneticmotor1 (16 hours ago)
you caught me you can keep your money.
magneticmotor1 (16 hours ago)
please show me your fake devices from the past.
I note that the channel identity that he sent these from is closed and videos removed. But they are archived as LR reminds us.
And a slightly better replication of what Mylow may have shown us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
More debunking by TinselKoala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
Please remember that I was asked, or tasked, to do these videos by several other members of this forum, including the mysterious vansihed Mr.M.
I hope he didn't hurt himself falling off the fence. It can be a long fall.
(try to land on your heads, less chance of injury that way)
TK:
Your video is of too good a quality and too well lit -
from several angles your fishing line drive belt is visible. (unlike Mylows)
Watch his 2nd glass table video @ 0:50 and watch him fumble ;)
(I'll have to post a vid I guess)
IS THIS REAL OVER UNITY?? --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5jtx0IFgQ
No its not, I can 100% assure you of that. These clowns have been kicking around for a few years. They will not allow anyone to independently test it (Where have I heard that beofre)
Mark
Video rebuttal of Mylow's 2nd glass table video where he fumbles with the hidden drive belt, probably near invisible under poor lighting and poor quality video shot from the proper angle of thin fishing line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4
Quote from: capthook on May 18, 2009, 03:57:01 AM
TK:
Your video is of too good a quality and too well lit -
from several angles your fishing line drive belt is visible. (unlike Mylows)
Watch his 2nd glass table video @ 0:50 and watch him fumble ;)
(I'll have to post a vid I guess)
Clearly, I wanted you to see if you could notice the line, under the most favorable conditions: bright overhead direct lighting, high-res closeup views, no attempt to hide the line at all. Or the motor either, did you see it?
Now ask yourself if Mylow has shown a running motor in the same conditions.
But--imagine that I started that video at the 4:00 mark instead of the beginning. What would you think then, if you didn't know better? Even in the bright light closeup, HQ and full screen, I cannot see the line, and I know exactly where to look.
@TK
I loved the bird..my 18 month daughter yelped screams of delight when she saw it.
PS I did see the fishing line, no cigar.
Do it again with low light, I have this great idea where we can cash in a little and sell some plans. If no one can replicate it will will blame it on a lack of faith. I can work the faith thing for some good tax credits.
In your next video ...lose your temper.
Mark
Quote from: capthook on May 18, 2009, 04:18:21 AM
Video rebuttal of Mylow's 2nd glass table video where he fumbles with the hidden drive belt, probably near invisible under poor lighting and poor quality video shot from the proper angle of thin fishing line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4
That certainly looks exactly like you say. He clearly makes a hand motion that looks just like what I do when fooling with that 6-pound test monofilament.
6 lb. was the smallest I could find on Sunday, but I know that 2 lb test would be plenty strong enough and that's even harder to see.
This is what you call STRING THEORY -- nice find. I totally agree.
I was really hoping for this...All my attempts have cogging effect - but still trying.
bah..keep changing this...
The guy is a fraud. What's his address so we can pay him a visit to give him some bills to pay.
Quote from: pillager on May 18, 2009, 04:28:08 AM
This is what you call STRING THEORY
I was really hoping for this...All my attempts have cogging effect - but still trying.
Fraud keeps popping up...but i am hoping he is only just mentally unstable.
I really wanted MyLow to have discovered this wonderful effect but it looks like all good intentions from good people still cannot and won't be substantiated. Perhaps MyLow started this as a prank but got so deeply into this there was no way to dig himself out of the hole! I certainly hope I am wrong about this, after all I only spent $150 on materials.
Good luck to all those replicators who are still looking for the sweet spot.
cheers
chrisC
Ockham's Razor slices clean, once again.
This is the oldest magician's trick in the book. And it's so simple that I didn't even think of it until yesterday, myself.
Mylow, if you're reading this, I'd be happy to have a dialog with you, in public or private. I know some very good people in Chicago; I'm sure we can get you the help you need.
Look, the guy fools you with some fishing line and a BS patter, then looks you right in the eyeballs and pretends to instruct you, individually and by name (or handle) on how to place magnets so your replication will run.
And you still wonder whether he's a fraud, or just another lunatic?
Observe the data. Then make a theory that is consistent with ALL you observe. Then use that theory to generate a testable hypothesis. Then try your damndest to DISPROVE that hypothesis. If you cannot, no matter your best efforts, then you have the right to assume, for the moment, that your theory MAY be correct. But if you CAN disprove your hypothesis, you can know something for sure: the theory was wrong. FOR SURE. So you can drop it and generate another theory, which now must also account for ALL you observe including the new results from your disproof experiment.
(sorry to shout, but some folks seem deaf)
But what you can see happening here is the inverse process.
You have a theory, then you look for observations that support your theory. You generate a hypothesis (mylow's motor works, because HJ's theory says it will) and then you try your best to PROVE that hypothesis (exact replications, et cetera). But when you cannot, you learn nothing, and you still hang on to the theory--because after all, some other factor could have kept your replication from working. So you keep on trying experiments designed to Prove your theory, and if it's wrong you'll never know it.
The first method is called the "Scientific Method". The second method is called pseudoscience.
If it's raining, the streets outside will be wet. (theory)
Observe that it is indeed raining. (data)
Are the streets wet or not?
If it's raining, the streets outside will be wet.
Observe that the street outside is indeed wet.
Is it raining or not?
The overwhelming mode of reasoning here follows the second example. You are observing that the street is wet, and you are concluding that it is raining.
This is of course a logical fallacy. It even has a technical name. I'm not making this stuff up.
If there is to be a science of overunity, it must be a genuine science, not a pseudoscience, and must use the Scientific Method, and properly, just like any other real science.
@TK
Bravo one of the best explanations of scientific theory in simple terms I have read.
i hope to share with you oneday my experiences and research..I prefer not to do that in a public forum as it involves many others.
Mark
More debunking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaiFaZzzoqY
/thread.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 05:10:32 AM
You are observing that the street is wet, and you are concluding that it is raining.
This is of course a logical fallacy. It even has a technical name.
It is called horse piss ;D
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: Justalabrat on May 18, 2009, 05:42:06 AM
More debunking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaiFaZzzoqY
Great job.
So Mylow, about the money everyone spent on this....
Quote from: Justalabrat on May 18, 2009, 05:42:06 AM
More debunking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaiFaZzzoqY
Ooooooooo BUGGER! He steps over the line... It becomes really obvious once you know where to look.
Thank you Finland. "Now for my next trick...."
For the ones that purchased the Mylow plans: Hands up who is going to ask for a refund.
Do not let this stop the research, especially the relationship between aluminum and magnets. See my Alu - Neo candy wrap experiment.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 17, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
WTF you think you can just go around accusing people's fathers of being con men??
This place is getting completely out of hand.... Pirate needs to apologize for that remark, and be given a "time-out". There is no excuse for that.
Even if it is all a fake (and none of you in the echo chamber really know that yet), does that give you the right to cast aspersions on someone's father just for the hell of it?
If you were standing next to someone, and said that about their Dad... You could suddenly find yourself on your ass looking at all the pretty stars.
I guess saying it over a computer makes that not much of a worry, huh?
People who come here and see this kind of utter crap, will do what? Probably just leave.
... Or is that the idea behind it all?
Geeze:
Why don't you actually read what I wrote before making all these assumptions? I have quoted it for you below:
"Was Sterling's father a con man? (I am just asking here, I have no idea)"
What part of "Was" and "I am just asking here, I have no idea" did you NOT understand?
If that is calling someone's father a name then you need to go back to school and learn how to read and comprehend.
You really jumped to a false conclusion here and speaking of an apology, I think I deserve one from you since you accused me of doing something I clearly did not. Not to worry, the others here can read and know what you did.
The facts speak for themselves just as anyone can stand an egg on its end without any "special" powers so that pretty much speaks for itself too.
Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
Unequivocal proof of fraud.
Stellar job, hats off to you.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 08:16:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw)
Unequivocal proof of fraud.
Stellar job, hats off to you.
I don't see how anyone with any objectivity at all can watch this video and not be convinced 100% that this is exactly how it was done. Excellent job to everyone working on this string theory and I believe this video says it all. No wonder Mylow removed his videos and channel. The investigators were getting too close. I would love to hear Sterling's reaction to this video but I bet we don't.
Nice work.
Bill
Hi All
I don't know if Mylow is for real or not,but I must say it looks like not.It's the damage that is done to the whole FE community by deliberate scammers, that is the worry,A lot of people have spent money on parts for these scams,now when a genuine project comes along they are not going to replicate.Genuine project that turn out not to work,which is the vast majority,I have no problem with,I applaud them,but scammers are pure SCUM.
peter
Here is a headline for Sterling to print:
Mylow Busted By The Smart Guys At Overunity.com
Apology forthcoming.
(Excellent analysis by Toukoqouko, Rosphere, TK, and all the rest.)
Bill
I Really do hate to say it. Nope that's a lie. I love to say it. Told you so :)
The skeptics have it!
Excellent work. Lesson learnt - never believe what you see in a video - at first that is!!
Hoppy
Oh I'm willing to bet there will be some, they will cry that the video that shows it to be fake is a fake.
Well done guys, it's just a pity that time and money has already been wasted on this, but look on the bright side, you now have new magnets, maybe even an aluminum platter, these are still good items to experiment with, I myself enjoy tinkering and would put the parts to other uses.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 08:27:45 AM
I don't see how anyone with any objectivity at all can watch this video and not be convinced 100% that this is exactly how it was done.
Nice work.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 08:27:45 AM
I don't see how anyone with any objectivity at all can watch this video and not be convinced 100% that this is exactly how it was done.
Totally agree
Good stuff, now onto the next Claim ;D
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 08:49:48 AM
Oh I'm willing to bet there will be some, they will cry that the video that shows it to be fake is a fake.
Well done guys, it's just a pity that time and money has already been wasted on this, but look on the bright side, you now have new magnets, maybe even an aluminum platter, these are still good items to experiment with, I myself enjoy tinkering and would put the parts to other uses.
Did you see this one? It nicely winds up the grand slam home run of the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4&feature=channel_page
100% proven scam.
Not sure who is who on youtube, but giant round of applause for Rosphere for figuring it out.
I did, but I cannot celebrate it, too many good folk have been taken for a ride by Mylow, and I really hope Sterling gets the message loud and clear, to a lot of people Peswiki is the bible of free energy.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 09:03:05 AM
Did you see this one? It nicely winds up the grand slam home run of the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4&feature=channel_page
100% proven scam.
Not sure who is who on youtube, but giant round of applause for Rosphere for figuring it out.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
I did, but I cannot celebrate it, too many good folk have been taken for a ride by Mylow, and I really hope Sterling gets the message loud and clear, to a lot of people Peswiki is the bible of free energy.
RB:
In my opinion, that bible of free energy comment should be in the past tense. That is how I feel.
Bill
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
I did, but I cannot celebrate it, too many good folk have been taken for a ride by Mylow, and I really hope Sterling gets the message loud and clear, to a lot of people Peswiki is the bible of free energy.
Totally agree, just relieved it's over. Two months of getting strung along wasn't fun.
Oh now there's a good conspiracy theory for you, perhaps that's why Mylow did it, he was out to trash Peswiki.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
RB:
In my opinion, that bible of free energy is in the past tense.
Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
@TK....
you are the king man....hands-down....
@Mylow....
the only thing left for you is independent verification....someone with credentials....
what's taking so long?
meanwhile, Sterling needs a 'spin-doctor'....
ouch
If he was using fishing line to run it, he is a fisherman for sure. Anyone that's ever worked with fishing line would know you sure are not going to set it down and just pick it up later to reconnect it to the motor.
The second you let it go it will be in a pile somewhere by the drive motor and for sure off the drive pully and tangled.
Oh dear whatsup with this...
The bases are loaded, we have TK on 3rd, Pirate on 2nd and Rosphere on first. Batter up, and it's Touko to the plate..... clink... wooot wooot it's outa the park! The crowd go CRAZY!
BUSTED MYLOW! BUSTED!!!!!
And I think Rosphere needs to take a bow, talk about hyper perceptive, I'm well impressed Rosphere, WELL inpressed.
Crow is now being serve outside the park for all those that would like a bite.
But let's not forget the work of the ever tenecious Touko, we should all aspire to have a little of his tenacity and skills. HE IS THE MAN!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw)
And the old tired coach of the LOSING team, slinks away, head bowed in disgrace, but hey that's baseball for ya!! LOL.
Quote from: lumen on May 18, 2009, 09:19:11 AM
If he was using fishing line to run it, he is a fisherman for sure. Anyone that's ever worked with fishing line would know you sure are not going to set it down and just pick it up later to reconnect it to the motor.
The second you let it go it will be in a pile somewhere by the drive motor and for sure off the drive pully and tangled.
If he went to the trouble of machining an aluminum table, buying a 12v battery, buying an electric motor, buying magnets, building a stator assembly, and buying fishing line, I'm sure he spent the extra $2 for a little post-it note type glue on the 2x4.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 09:15:38 AM
Totally agree, just relieved it's over. Two months of getting strung along wasn't fun.
Nice pun.
I guess Sterling will not be taking out that law suit against Steph now, hmmm, I was looking forward to the clash of the titans.
Just watched again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
You are an artist Touko, I will ALWAYS remember your work here. CLASSIC!
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 09:24:49 AM
Nice pun.
Thanks, I hope I didn't... cross the line ;)
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 09:20:10 AM
Oh dear whatsup with this...
The bases are loaded, we have TK on 3rd, Pirate on 2nd and Rosphere on first. Batter up, and it's Touko to the plate..... clink... wooot wooot it's outa the park! The crowd go CRAZY!
BUSTED MYLOW! BUSTED!!!!!
And I think Rosphere needs to take a bow, talk about hyper perceptive, I'm well impressed Rosphere, WELL inpressed.
Crow is now being serve outside the park for all those that would like a bite.
But let's not forget the work of the ever tenecious Touko, we should all aspire to have a little of his tenacity and skills. HE IS THE MAN!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw)
And the old tired coach of the LOSING team, slinks away, head bowed in disgrace, but hey that's baseball for ya!! LOL.
Yucca:
Thanks for putting me on 2nd base but I want to say, for the record, that at first, I thought Mylow had really done it. Then came the MIB, NSA, etc. stuff and I was very dubious. Then came the glass table video and I thought he had done it again. Then, he by-passed several chances to show others his motor and I was doubting him again. What I am saying is that I, like many of us here, was on this rollercoaster and can not say "I told you so" because at times, I was as dupped as anyone.
But, today is a good day for the FE community. The truth does eventually come out. (With a lot of help from those smart string theory guys)
Bill
Actually
Crows not that bad,tastes like chicken!
Chet
Rick is doing something VERY interesting HERE
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
DON"T throw those magnets away
I really, really feel bad for the hard working replicators. Will Sterling add the $2 spool of mono-filament to the Mylow plans so that the thing can actually work now?
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 09:24:49 AM
Nice pun.
Needless to say this is a huge disappointment. Those making unsubstantiated claims because of a lack of electronics knowledge (such as Tommy Reed) is almost excusable, but this just plain isn't.
Kudos go out to those that persisted with their dis-belief. Many learned some valuable lessons, and one good thing that can come from this is it will be that much more difficult for anyone to pull this kind of trick here again, lest anyone even try.
.99
great photo here sterlings mylow site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/photos/album/1975737506/pic/1489850546/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
Now you can see why the mat was there for the overhead shot
@ watsup....you will be a busy boy today removing all these posts. You might have to edit the ones on Sterlings Mylow yahoo group...they are flooding in ...and don't forget Steorn as well
Special thanks to Stephan for allowing free speach...we all owe you a debt of graditude
mark
Mark
Ooh, ouch!
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 09:36:09 AM
Will Sterling add the $2 spool of mono-filament to the Mylow plans so that the thing can actually work now?
Rick is doing something VERY interesting HERE
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
DON"T throw those magnets away
Chet
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 09:37:34 AM
great photo here sterlings mylow site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/photos/album/1975737506/pic/1489850546/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
Now you can see why the mat was there for the overhead shot
Mark
Can't view it, not a member of the group. Can you host it?
I'm afraid it does not work like that, Mylow was not far behind Archer Quinn, it was obvious that even after Archer Quinn that some folk still did not look before taking that leap of faith.
Quote from: poynt99 on May 18, 2009, 09:37:22 AMand one good thing that can come from this is it will be that much more difficult for anyone to pull this kind of trick here again, lest anyone even try.
.99
Quote from: ramset on May 18, 2009, 09:33:42 AM
Actually
Crows not that bad,tastes like chicken!
Chet
Rick is doing something VERY interesting HERE
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
DON"T throw those magnets away
LOL, never eaten it myself but have eaten plenty of pigeon in my time. And I agree it's always good to have plenty of magnets, discs, bearings etc.
I will also say this, I think wattsup is a good egg really, I just think the stress of moderating this crazy thread got the better of him and skewed his objectivity a little, after all it would rip any man down the middle to try and keep one foot in both sides, it's been a rollercoaster ride for all. I also presume he projected his own sincerity and honesty onto Mylow. Well we all know the truth now and things can go back to normal.
And I second markdansle, kudos to stephan for remaining cool and allowing free speech to continue.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 08:27:45 AM
I don't see how anyone with any objectivity at all can watch this video and not be convinced 100% that this is exactly how it was done.
I wanted to be pushed off the fence and this is the first chance I've had to revisit the thread since I posted a while back and I, for one, am now 100% convinced it's a fake...
Closure Acquired ~ Thanks All
Mylow... I can forgive being strung along for months watching you produce fake videos but crying at the graveside of someone to add credibility to your fake ? If that were one of my relatives you would be on the receiving end of a few good, hard kicks to the kidneys for that...
Sick stuff fella... Sick stuff. >:(
You just bought an old phrase to mind "It takes a thief to catch a thief", basically meaning, think like the thief, I had no problems in considering Mylow insincere with his visit to the grave, if he is capable of deception, then he is capable faking sincerity, good con people are amongst the best actors in the world.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 09:44:10 AM
Mylow... I can forgive being strung along for months watching you produce fake videos but crying at the graveside of someone to add credibility to your fake ? If that were one of my relatives you would be on the receiving end of a few good, hard kicks to the kidneys for that...
Sick stuff fella... Sick stuff. >:(
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 09:43:43 AM
LOL, never eaten it myself but have eaten plenty of pigeon in my time. And I agree it's always good to have plenty of magnets, discs, bearings etc.
I will also say this, I think wattsup is a good egg really, I just think the stress of moderating this crazy thread got the better of him and skewed his objectivity a little, after all it would rip any man down the middle to try and keep one foot in both sides, it's been a rollercoaster ride for all. I also presume he projected his own sincerity and honesty onto Mylow. Well we all know the truth now and things can go back to normal.
And I second markdansle, kudos to stephan for remaining cool and allowing free speech to continue.
Yes, but I hope that it is understood that dissension and calls for verification and falsification are taken seriously as they are fundamental to good science and not just noise introduced by paid skeptics, MiBs or people with agendas that are counter to any alternative energy endeavor that is honest.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 09:30:40 AM
Yucca:
Thanks for putting me on 2nd base but I want to say, for the record, that at first, I thought Mylow had really done it. Then came the MIB, NSA, etc. stuff and I was very dubious. Then came the glass table video and I thought he had done it again. Then, he by-passed several chances to show others his motor and I was doubting him again. What I am saying is that I, like many of us here, was on this rollercoaster and can not say "I told you so" because at times, I was as dupped as anyone.
But, today is a good day for the FE community. The truth does eventually come out. (With a lot of help from those smart string theory guys)
Bill
Yup pirate, I admire your candor, and truth be told I too was a believer at the beginning, and that luckily made me even more objective as I tried to remove any small remaining doubts.
I first became certain it was a fake when I saw the velocity profile produced by Touko, the underlying sinusoid, one cycle per rev, pointed to only one conclusion in my mind, external drive.
Then Rosphere noticed Mylow dancing around the line and now we have solid reproducable proof of the skullduggery. A great day for the truth, truly great.
Interestingly, last night I spent a couple of hours with a program called registax, desperately trying to see the line using youtube vids ripped to avi. The res was just too low for the software and contrast enhancement to allow me to see it, but now Touko has obtained high res footage and worked his magic. I've downloaded his video to keep forever.
Well, I think I'll crack a couple of frosty ones, it's a nice sunny day here.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 09:42:41 AM
I'm afraid it does not work like that, Mylow was not far behind Archer Quinn, it was obvious that even after Archer Quinn that some folk still did not look before taking that leap of faith.
That may be so. I for one was not interested in AQ, and did not look into it. If folks get duped again after this, then I have no sympathy for them.
.99
@ Stefan:
I too wish to commend you for allowing an open discussion on this motor. You took a lot of crap from Sterling on our behalf by doing this and, like the others here, I want to thank you for doing so. I believe that Overunity.com's stock just went up a lot today in the OU community.
Thank you.
Bill
try this ithink I have loaded it right
Mark
PS I do think you are ok Wattsup. You are passionate and believe in your convictions.
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 10:00:00 AM
try this ithink I have loaded it right
Mark
PS I do think you are ok Wattsup. You are passionate and believe in your convictions.
Mark
The fishing line is clear as a bell.
What a revolting thing to pull.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 09:52:27 AM
Yes, but I hope that it is understood that dissension and calls for verification and falsification are taken seriously as they are fundamental to good science and not just noise introduced by paid skeptics, MiBs or people with agendas that are counter to any alternative energy endeavor that is honest.
Of course, and I'm sure (well at least i hope) that many have now learnt that lesson. So overall this whole saga may have helped people become a little more objective, lol I'm ever the optimist!
Quote from: poynt99 on May 18, 2009, 09:56:37 AM
That may be so. I for one was not interested in AQ, and did not look into it. If folks get duped again after this, then I have no sympathy for them.
I do not think it is about being duped.
You got sceptics that will slag it down before even analysing it. You will always get this as they do not even want to think out of the box.
You got replicators that replicate and build the claims to see if they work. To them they need to see it themseves to prove if it is real.
You got guys will try and do the maths to explain if it could work or not.
You got the guys who study videos and try to find if there is any illusion going on.
It's all part of the search for OU/FE ;D
What a ride :)
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 18, 2009, 10:04:34 AM
What a ride :)
Cheers
Sean.
Agree, can't even get close at Alton Towers.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 09:44:10 AM
Mylow... I can forgive being strung along for months watching you produce fake videos but crying at the graveside of someone to add credibility to your fake ?....
Yeah, pretty low, pretty low. RIP Howard.
Its has started,
I didnt get the email Sterling must have sent out, but this is a post by someone else clarifying the points he must have raised at Sterlins Yahoo Mylow group.
"So if i understand this correctly sterling, Mylow purposely has made a scene as if it were faked to make the mibs happy?
Trying to cover up a real working motor?"
I made a negetive of that photo but I don't know how it will come out here. The lines of the loop are clearly visible as was already pointed out.
Bill
:-\ Shame on you MyLow. I didn't believe you at first and then you come back again and again, like you had the truth, and scammed everyone again.
P.S. Everyone knows what you look like. ;D
All I can say is Wow. And this I guess. I was along for the entire ride and do feel duped. I guess I am to naive. But figured something was up when Mylow would not let Sterling or the other fellow view it.
I love Clanzer's attitude...on to the next.
Someone mentioned Archer Quinn (to lazy to go get the quote). This saga and that are two entirely different saga's...lol. Archer never showed a working device or a fake. I think he believed (and still does) that he knows how to get OU.
This was an obvious intentional fake for reasons I do not know or understand.
Wow again. Did I just defend AC? I gotta go. Something is not right.
Later,
Hankinator
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
I made a negetive of that photo but I don't know how it will come out here. The lines of the loop are clearly visible as was already pointed out.
Bill
Nice touch, it brings out the true evil nature of it all.
The point is, Archer Quinn accepted donations and then took off, that is not the act of a sincere person, even if he does believe he can create free energy.
Quote from: Hankinator on May 18, 2009, 10:18:45 AM
Someone mentioned Archer Quinn (to lazy to go get the quote). This saga and that are two entirely different saga's...lol. Archer never showed a working device or a fake. I think he believed (and still does) that he knows how to get OU.
This was an obvious intentional fake for reasons I do not know or understand.
Wow again. Did I just defend AC? I gotta go. Something is not right.
Later,
Hankinator
Magnets will bare fruit
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4191-ricks-pipe-dream-magnetic-motor-generator.html
Chet
@Runningbare. Great point. Didn't rationalize the whole money thing as I lost zero in each saga...
Later,
Hankinator
An opportunist post?, how about folk having a little time to get over this shambles first.
Quote from: ramset on May 18, 2009, 10:22:46 AM
Magnets will bare fruit
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4191-ricks-pipe-dream-magnetic-motor-generator.html
Chet
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Its has started,
I didnt get the email Sterling must have sent out, but this is a post by someone else clarifying the points he must have raised at Sterlins Yahoo Mylow group.
"So if i understand this correctly sterling, Mylow purposely has made a scene as if it were faked to make the mibs happy?
Trying to cover up a real working motor?"
One would think if that were the case he would have made the clue a teensy weensy bit easier to see. If it weren't for the brains and drive of Touko, a most unique individual, then it would have gone un-noticed. Sure Rosphere suspected it, but to extract the clear unquestionable truth was not a walk in the park.
I'll never forget how Touko showed his prowess most admirably when he produced the incredible velocity profile by tracking the yingyang dot. He's the true researcher, he's the hero in this, the David who slays the at first sight mighty Goliath, only instead of a slingshot he codes together opensource software libraries on his desk at home. Relentlessly climbing toward the truth despite fatigue. If all men were like him we would be exploring the stars on FE starcraft!
I wil add, If Mylow want's to clear his name now then there is only one solution, show a working motor to several third parties. And we're all pretty damned sure that's not gonna happen.
Hmmm. I knew it was faked but this makes sense. Good work.
IU had noticed in one of the coffee table videos that the stator bar across the top of the disk appeared to be aligned slightly to the left of center from the overhead view. Apparently to accommodate the wires.
Also, when the cat entered the room , MYLOW picked him up and put him down towards the right side of the disk. I guess so he wouldn't trip over the wires.
What about the part where his wife walks and says and comments on the unit running?
Couldn't she see the motor on the loveseat?
How about the brother Tony video in the workroom. Weren,t there a stack of magnets and other things to the left of the unit?
Where would the motor be in that video? Further to the left?
RB
Opportunity knocks
Lots of new folks here because of their COMMON SENSE intuition regarding magnets and their potential
Chet
@Pirate
Lol you are getting no apology from me, not for calling out a person who is so determined to make their negative points that they would slam their target's father to do so. Remember the father did not comment, Sterling did... There's a big difference there and if you can't grasp that (more likely you just don't care), then there is something inherently wrong with this picture.
Yes of course i read your post, and putting a lame disclaimer at the end of the comment doesn't help: You wanted to try to nail Sterling any way you could, and dragged his father into it on as a means to your end. Then with a second post you later derided the father again as a means of trying to get cheap laughs.... No matter how you try to spin it, it is disgusting behavior and akin to a school-yard taunt.
Last night you guys in the echo chamber were all getting high on your "string theory discovery", and feeling your oats, and i suspect today that in retrospect you wouldn't have gone there. I would remind you all, that you STILL do not know the answers to these questions for sure, nor what is behind it.
I really don't give a rat's patootie about your moral fortitude or sense, but i do care whether or not this kind of behavior is allowed to go on without at least comment here.
Otherwise what will it be next, if such precedent is allowed?
Personal actions on cyberspace have consequences too. Anonymity and isolation from physical contact do not change that. I would urge people to not write any comments that they would not otherwise say to the person's face (lol like this will do any good, but it had to be said ;) ).
While I do not believe it(yes admitted up front), I do like the construction, a very nice piece of work, might even consider building one myself as a show piece.
Quote from: ramset on May 18, 2009, 10:34:02 AM
RB
Opportunity knocks
Lots of new folks here because of their COMMON SENSE intuition regarding magnets and their potential
Chet
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
Hmmm. I knew it was faked but this makes sense. Good work.
IU had noticed in one of the coffee table videos that the stator bar across the top of the disk appeared to be aligned slightly to the left of center from the overhead view. Apparently to accommodate the wires.
Also, when the cat entered the room , MYLOW picked him up and put him down towards the right side of the disk. I guess so he wouldn't trip over the wires.
What about the part where his wife walks and says and comments on the unit running?
Couldn't she see the motor on the loveseat?
How about the brother Tony video in the workroom. Weren,t there a stack of magnets and other things to the left of the unit?
Where would the motor be in that video? Further to the left?
Sickening, isn't it? His brother and wife were in on it. They're in Chicago, I wonder if 'Mylow's' real last name is Blagojevich.
RB
The story is long
He is going to pivot his stator [MUCH more power]
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
Step by step instructions http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4191-ricks-pipe-dream-magnetic-motor-generator.html
Chet
Quote from: ramset on May 18, 2009, 10:46:36 AM
RB
The story is long
He is going to pivot his stator [MUCH more power]
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
Chet
Let me get this straight... A guy built a wheel with magnets around the edge and a suspended stator (SOUND FAMILIAR??) and... it's expected to WORK?
Is this the Twilight Zone? :(
We even see that there is a slight change of position of the parallel lines between the beginning and the middle of the video ... M2U00171
LightRider
Quote from: dixiepnum on May 18, 2009, 09:18:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
@TK....
you are the king man....hands-down....
@Mylow....
the only thing left for you is independent verification....someone with credentials....
what's taking so long?
meanwhile, Sterling needs a 'spin-doctor'....
ouch
I HEREBY DEMAND TO BE AWARDED STERLING"S PRIZE FOR THE FIRST TRUE ACCURATE REPLICATION OF MYLOW"S MOTOR.
Or to have explained to me, in words a simple man can understand, why I don't get it.
@Sterling Allan
If you are reading this, stand up and be a man, admit that you were fooled along with many of us, if you go down the road of MiB now with Mylow then your going to lose what credibility you have left, Peswiki while misguided in many things is still a good resource for people who want to experiment and find out for themselves, don't ruin it for them.
Nyctuber
Not just any guy, and its NOTHING [did I say NOTHING] like Mylows design
READ http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4191-ricks-pipe-dream-magnetic-motor-generator.html
Chet
TK
Very good [and true]
Chet
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 10:04:23 AM
Of course, and I'm sure (well at least i hope) that many have now learnt that lesson. So overall this whole saga may have helped people become a little more objective, lol I'm ever the optimist!
Mondrasek. (Who to his enduring credit came around.)
Archer (spit on the floor) Quinn.
The vanished "LTSpice shows overunity" from a square wave oscillator thread...gone without a trace.
And these are just the ones that I personally have participated in.
Teachers, by Leonard Cohen:
I met a woman long ago
her hair the black that black can go,
Are you a teacher of the heart?
Soft she answered no.
I met a girl across the sea,
her hair the gold that gold can be,
Are you a teacher of the heart?
Yes, but not for thee.
I met a man who lost his mind
in some lost place I had to find,
follow me the wise man said,
but he walked behind.
I walked into a hospital
where none was sick and none was well,
when at night the nurses left
I could not walk at all.
Morning came and then came noon,
dinner time a scalpel blade
lay beside my silver spoon.
Some girls wander by mistake
into the mess that scalpels make.
Are you the teachers of my heart?
We teach old hearts to break.
One morning I woke up alone,
the hospital and the nurses gone.
Have I carved enough my Lord?
Child, you are a bone.
I ate and ate and ate,
no I did not miss a plate, well
How much do these suppers cost?
We'll take it out in hate.
I spent my hatred everyplace,
on every work on every face,
someone gave me wishes
and I wished for an embrace.
Several girls embraced me, then
I was embraced by men,
Is my passion perfect?
No, do it once again.
I was handsome I was strong,
I knew the words of every song.
Did my singing please you?
No, the words you sang were wrong.
Who is it whom I address,
who takes down what I confess?
Are you the teachers of my heart?
We teach old hearts to rest.
Oh teachers are my lessons done?
I cannot do another one.
They laughed and laughed and said, Well child,
are your lessons done?
are your lessons done?
are your lessons done?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 10:53:19 AM
I HEREBY DEMAND TO BE AWARDED STERLING"S PRIZE FOR THE FIRST TRUE ACCURATE REPLICATION OF MYLOW"S MOTOR.
Or to have explained to me, in words a simple man can understand, why I don't get it.
Bravo, I'm amazed. Odd it wasn't spotted before.
I agree, you should get the prize. Stirling chose to believe blindly, and accepted money for plans and advertizing, I suppose. The competition is closed, we have a winner!
Anyone else?
Quote from: ramset on May 18, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
Nyctuber
Not just any guy, and its NOTHING [did I say NOTHING] like Mylows design
READ http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4191-ricks-pipe-dream-magnetic-motor-generator.html
Chet
That's a long thread, brother. Looks like magnets on a disk and a stator to me though. Perhaps it's a shielded magnet setup please fill me in. The one nice thing about it is, i already have magnets coming in the mail due to mr con man and I used to build bike wheels as a hobby so I could easily use the Park TS-2 truing stand in the closet instead of that pipe thing.
Just let me know what kind of fishing line to buy :)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 10:43:44 AM
Sickening, isn't it? His brother and wife were in on it. They're in Chicago, I wonder if 'Mylow's' real last name is Blagojevich.
I don't know if it's true that anyone else was in on it. I was just curious.
I do still have a hunch - MYLOW singled out OU.com too much, while ignoring other forums that were skeptical and even brutal to him personally.
PERHAPS, REPEAT , PERHAPS - at some point he had a presented an idea here in the past or in some other manner felt that OU.COM was bad to him in the past and this behavior, he protested too much, was kinda obvious.Trying to get OU "boycotted" as I read at Yahoo?
It just does not make sense to me.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 10:53:19 AM
I HEREBY DEMAND TO BE AWARDED STERLING"S PRIZE FOR THE FIRST TRUE ACCURATE REPLICATION OF MYLOW"S MOTOR.
Or to have explained to me, in words a simple man can understand, why I don't get it.
Here here.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
I don't know if it's true that anyone else was in on it. I was just curious.
I do still have a hunch - MYLOW singled out OU.com too much, while ignoring other forums that were skeptical and even brutal to him personally.
PERHAPS, REPEAT , PERHAPS - at some point he had a presented an idea here in the past or in some other manner felt that OU.COM was bad to him in the past and this behavior, he protested too much, was kinda obvious.Trying to get OU "boycotted" as I read at Yahoo?
It just does not make sense to me.
In the first glass table video, his wife comes in and looks at it. She's right there with him, you can hear her voice. Are you telling me she didn't notice the large electric motor and battery sitting on her lovely couch, powering the motor?
Women tend to notice these things.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 10:58:55 AM
Mondrasek. (Who to his enduring credit came around.)
Archer (spit on the floor) Quinn.
The vanished "LTSpice shows overunity" from a square wave oscillator thread...gone without a trace.
And these are just the ones that I personally have participated in.
How could you forget the infamous 'whipmag' video you put up using the name 'Alsetalokin'?
That hoax must have cost people as much time and money as Mylow's.
And now you show up as 'TinselKoala' to expose that nasty Mylow who is going around hoaxing people.
[quote
I do still have a hunch - MYLOW singled out OU.com too much, while ignoring other forums that were skeptical and even brutal to him personally.
PERHAPS, REPEAT , PERHAPS - at some point he had a presented an idea here in the past or in some other manner felt that OU.COM was bad to him in the past and this behavior, he protested too much, was kinda obvious.Trying to get OU "boycotted" as I read at Yahoo?
It just does not make sense to me.
[/quote
Maybe mylow doesn't know ,'there's no such thing as bad[free] publicity!!
Chet
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
That's a long thread, brother. Looks like magnets on a disk and a stator to me though. Perhaps it's a shielded magnet setup please fill me in. The one nice thing about it is, i already have magnets coming in the mail due to mr con man and I used to build bike wheels as a hobby so I could easily use the Park TS-2 truing stand in the closet instead of that pipe thing.
Just let me know what kind of fishing line to buy :)
TriLene, 6 lb test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9T5CKXv2Y
It makes a lot of sense if you consider the buzz some people get from attention, I know I enjoyed it when I was putting up videos of my replications(never claimed any of them worked), but folk still enjoyed them and made comments to that effect, another thing to consider is that Mylow originally may have sincerely thought he found something, jumped in head first before realizing his mistake, but too late to back out, the buzz has got to him.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
It just does not make sense to me.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 11:10:23 AM
TriLene, 6 lb test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9T5CKXv2Y
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9T5CKXv2Y
TK, What did you do to the bird?
;D
Interesting rebuttal from Sterling.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1390
Sorry, you will need to falsify that information to prove they are the same person, remember it's truth we need not conjecture ;)
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 11:08:43 AM
How could you forget the infamous 'whipmag' video you put up using the name 'Alsetalokin'?
That hoax must have cost people as much time and money as Mylow's.
And now you show up as 'TinselKoala' to expose that nasty Mylow who is going around hoaxing people.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Interesting rebuttal from Sterling.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1390
Interesting?
'Sad' comes to mind first.
But then again, denial is the first phase of the process. I think anger is second.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 11:08:43 AM
How could you forget the infamous 'whipmag' video you put up using the name 'Alsetalokin'?
That hoax must have cost people as much time and money as Mylow's.
And now you show up as 'TinselKoala' to expose that nasty Mylow who is going around hoaxing people.
Please point me to a reference. I can't recall the device you are talking about. Is it the one where "al" always and continuously told everybody who asked, everything they wanted to know while at the same time ALWAYS denying that the device was OU in any way and could easily be explained conventionally? Willingly did and reported experiment after suggested experiment, published his own highspeed high resolution videos of it running? That one? I'm sorry, I cannot take responsibility for what people thought of that. Nobody sold plans or high-res videos, no interviews were done, and most importantly, nobody ever showed that it was a fake, or built a running replicant. And, as I seem to recall, this "al" character of whom you speak actually discouraged people from spending money on replications. MPMMCPW, remember? Who coined that acronym, I wonder?
Ask Stefan if the "alsetalokin" who posted on this site is me, or not. He can review the server logs, if they aren't gone.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 11:21:35 AM
Interesting?
'Sad' comes to mind first.
But then again, denial is the first phase of the process. I think anger is second.
I am trying to not make any statements that could be interpreted as "personal attacks".
Even in the last postings I made a few days ago there were no personal attacks, but, I was chided anyway.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:12:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9T5CKXv2Y
TK, What did you do to the bird?
;D
He's been drinking. Didn't you notice the brandy bottle? I'll have to speak to the camera-being.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:24:29 AM
I am trying to not make any statements that could be interpreted as "personal attacks".
Even in the last postings I made a few days ago there were no personal attacks, but, I was chided anyway.
I'm not either, and frankly I feel better for it. But the fact remains, Mylow is a con man and people spent money trying to replicate it, which he encouraged them to do, and therefore he committed fraud, which is a crime.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Interesting rebuttal from Sterling.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1390
Will someone please point Sterling to my last 2 videos and tell him that
>>>>>I WANT THE PRIZE<<<<<
Or tell me why I'm not going to get it.
So, I guess Mylow is going to have personally strangle Sterling with the string so that he gets the message.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 11:21:35 AM
Interesting?
'Sad' comes to mind first.
But then again, denial is the first phase of the process. I think anger is second.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 11:33:30 AM
So, I guess Mylow is going to have personally strangle Sterling with the string so that he gets the message.
Hmmm...
Yes.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Interesting rebuttal from Sterling.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1390
Jeez, I'm starting to seriously question Sterlings intelligence. ::)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 08:16:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
Unequivocal proof of fraud.
Stellar job, hats off to you.
WoW! GREAT work! You have found the visual proof of the fishing line drive belt!
In my vid:
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4 )
I was unable to actually see the line due to the low quality of the vid, but it was the actions of Mylow that showed he was manipulating the line.
Your excellent video work gives 100% proof! (along with your earlier excellent data plotting from before)
Goes to show (yet again!!) there is ONLY 1 PROOF:
INDEPENDANT VERIFICATIONWithout it - a video ain't for crap.
Special 'ouch' goes out to Sterling - you were told MANY times not to take the WORD of a shifty character as PROOF.
(I'll never forget that video of you telling the group how soon Mylow's motor will replace ALL power production - even replacing jet engines! :D )
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
Jeez, I'm starting to seriously question Sterlings intelligence. ::)
You mean the way he acknowledges the existence of the strings in the videos and then goes on to explain how the graphs show that the strings aren't the driving force behind the device ?
Yeah... I found that a bit odd too. :-\
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
Jeez, I'm starting to seriously question Sterlings intelligence. ::)
Or perhaps, his motivation?
Quote from: capthook on May 18, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
WoW! GREAT work! You have found the visual proof of the fishing line drive belt!
In my vid:
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4 )
I was unable to actually see the line due to the low quality of the vid, but it was the actions of Mylow that showed he was manipulating the line.
Your excellent video work gives 100% proof! (along with your earlier excellent data plotting from before)
Goes to show there is ONLY 1 PROOF:
INDEPENDANT VERIFICATION
Without it - a video ain't for crap.
Special 'ouch' goes out to Sterling - you were told MANY times not to take the word of a shifty character as PROOF.
No, it's not mine, i'm not Finnish.
But YOURS got the ball rolling first, so hats off to YOU too!
**Applause!**
Yeah, it's also a bit odd how he accepts diallel lines making eggs stand up straight?, sorry, but his credibility to give any reasoning is at it's lowest.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
You mean the way he acknowledges the existence of the strings in the videos and then goes on to explain how the graphs show that the strings aren't the driving force behind the device ?
Yeah... I found that a bit odd too. :-\
Quote from: jibbguy on May 18, 2009, 10:36:36 AM
@Pirate
Lol you are getting no apology from me, not for calling out a person who is so determined to make their negative points that they would slam their target's father to do so. Remember the father did not comment, Sterling did... There's a big difference there and if you can't grasp that (more likely you just don't care), then there is something inherently wrong with this picture.
Yes of course i read your post, and putting a lame disclaimer at the end of the comment doesn't help: You wanted to try to nail Sterling any way you could, and dragged his father into it on as a means to your end. Then with a second post you later derided the father again as a means of trying to get cheap laughs.... No matter how you try to spin it, it is disgusting behavior and akin to a school-yard taunt.
Last night you guys in the echo chamber were all getting high on your "string theory discovery", and feeling your oats, and i suspect today that in retrospect you wouldn't have gone there. I would remind you all, that you STILL do not know the answers to these questions for sure, nor what is behind it.
I really don't give a rat's patootie about your moral fortitude or sense, but i do care whether or not this kind of behavior is allowed to go on without at least comment here.
Otherwise what will it be next, if such precedent is allowed?
Personal actions on cyberspace have consequences too. Anonymity and isolation from physical contact do not change that. I would urge people to not write any comments that they would not otherwise say to the person's face (lol like this will do any good, but it had to be said ;) ).
Thank you, I accept your apology. That was very big of you to recognize that you misread my post. I am glad I went back and added the edit to make it even more clear as I had no idea that some reading it would have such a low reading comprehension, so I thank you for pointing that out.
Just for the record, anything I type on here I would gladly say to anyone's face, in person, anytime, anywhere. This also includes you.
***EDIT*** If there is anything unclear in this post, just let me know and I will try to clarify it for you.
Bill
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
You mean the way he acknowledges the existence of the strings in the videos and then goes on to explain how the graphs show that the strings aren't the driving force behind the device ?
Yeah... I found that a bit odd too. :-\
Ahh, you're BAAACK.
Do my videos meet your specifications? I would not have done them, if not for you.
On which side of the fence did you fall, I wonder?
--TK
(Oh, and I think I can claim priority for the first public suggestion that Mylow's device could be powered this way, in a comment on one of my videos to AdminOnDuty, at least 3 days ago.)
EDIT I see that comment is still listed by YT as being "1 day ago" but it sure seems like 3 to me. In any event it was after the pedestal motor video and before the black thread video, which I know I posted Saturday sometime. I think.
Ok, I just gotta say it, Mr M is Mylow, look if people can say TK is Alsetalokin then I have the same right ;)
Did Mylow fake it? Some people say this and try to demonstrate how.
Tinselkoala takes a shot guessing this and that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH_fzTLerk
But more disturbing to our OU Mylow dream is this analysis of YT user toukoqouko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
I can see what he refers to: clear lines running to and from the axle.
Mylow showed in another non-serous 'angry' video the motor and battery he 'would have used'
On top of that is Mylow clearly stepping over something when he walks around his machine on the glass table. All true.
Another video analysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4&feature=channel_page
This one is less convincing. Mylow would fumble around with the wire. Not that clear. But he says 'hard to do this'...placing the rotor under the stator is not that hard, but with a wire certainly tweaking is needed to tense the line... Anger-video"s, stepping over on table, visible lines, hard to settle matters, deleted acounts and our previous qualms about his MIB claims and not allowing visitors?? All together I'm tending towards the sceptic side again now. Also because my tests as yet haven't shown any sign of accelleration in the setup. Only a valley/hill kick of pulsing from gate to gate that runs dead. All I can say thus far is that we have built a very nice flywheel with a strong illusion of a working motor.
So should our replication thread end here?
Anand, the Magic 8 Ball says "it is decidedly so."
P.S. You left out the clear shot of an electric motor axle (identical to the one he showed) peeking out from behind a couch pillow, perfectly in line with the platter pedestal, and the battery next to it with wires showing. :o
Now we'll start hearing how, even though I was right, I was wrong, and how I'm the Evil Skeptic and Mylow's the abused victim, and how the strings were photoshopped into Mylow's vids by the debunkers, and so forth.
I'm already hearing these things through my private channels.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
You mean the way he acknowledges the existence of the strings in the videos and then goes on to explain how the graphs show that the strings aren't the driving force behind the device ?
Yeah... I found that a bit odd too. :-\
yes, especially as the signiature of the graphs are exactly as one would expect with an external drive which has now been so eloquently exposed.
Also interesting how he doesn't explain Toukos first vid, the high res velocity profile graph, which was a very clear indicator of external drive.
I still think (hope) Sterling will come round in the end, I just think he has invested in this so much, emotionally that is, that it is too big a drop for him to take in one go. The mind often produces some quite illogical protection mechanisms when it comes to protecting beliefs.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 11:23:43 AM
Please point me to a reference. I can't recall the device you are talking about. Is it the one where "al" always and continuously told everybody who asked, everything they wanted to know while at the same time ALWAYS denying that the device was OU in any way and could easily be explained conventionally?
You remind me of a snake-oil salesman who covers himself legally by murumuring cautions about the validity of what he is selling, while he knows the suckers will ignore the cautions and be dazzled by the show he is putting on.
You did a good job of it by building on the existing interest in OC's whipmag and creating your own, phony, version.
You knew the True Believers would see your well-done fake and ignore your murmurs that it was not OU, that you had a theory about why it did what it did, and that you believed there were 17000 joules of energy in it, etc.
I find it irksome that somebody would take advantage of the gullibility of people to let them waste their money on trying to replicate a hoax he had created; and then add insult to injury by coming in here and posing as an exposer of hoaxes.
Quote
I'm sorry, I cannot take responsibility for what people thought of that.
Sure you can, and should. You knew it was a phony and you knew the hordes of True Believers were wasting time and money to replicate it.
Your so-called discouragement of them was nothing more than smirkingly evasive replies to creampuff questions.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
..the Evil Skeptic and Mylow's the abused victim
What ticks me off the most is Sterling slamming OU.com and it's members repeatedly for being 'obnoxious' and 'rude' and out-of-line towards Mylow.
Sterling - would you care to someday issue an apology for YOUR rude, obnoxious, out-of-line - and WRONG - comments to our community? >:(
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Now we'll start hearing how, even though I was right, I was wrong, and how I'm the Evil Skeptic and Mylow's the abused victim, and how the strings were photoshopped into Mylow's vids by the debunkers, and so forth.
I'm already hearing these things through my private channels.
Photoshopping in the strings can be dismissed. The high res vids are available as are the opensource software used to enhance. But I fear you are right, some are so emotionally entangled in this that they refuse to see, can't face the deflation, god bless 'em.
P.S. your quote of Cohen is profound and resonant.
@TK
I think you deserve the replication prize and I think it's safe to say that I fell off the fence and landed firmly on the side opposite to that of belief...
I would say scepticism but at this stage that's hardly an appropriate description of this side of the fence.
@RB
I've got two cats and a far more attractive hairline. ;)
Quote from: capthook on May 18, 2009, 12:12:12 PM
What ticks me off the most is Sterling slamming OU.com and it's members repeatedly for being 'obnoxious' and 'rude' and out-of-line towards Mylow.
Sterling - would you care to someday issue an apology for YOUR rude, obnoxious, out-of-line - and WRONG - comments to our community? >:(
I agree Captain, 100%! I think it will take Sterling a while to come around, but I believe he eventually will. It will just take some time.
Bill
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
Photoshopping in the strings can be dismissed. The high res vids are available as are the opensource software used to enhance. But I fear you are right, some are so emotionally entangled in this that they refuse to see, can't face the deflation, god bless 'em.
P.S. your quote of Cohen is profound and resonant.
Video enhancing software cannot paint in lines where there aren't any. I hope Sterling pulls it together, Mylow is the real villian here.
While Alsetalokin irritated the hell out of me, he also stated quite clearly it was NOT overunity, so please explain the phony bit?
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 12:12:07 PM
Sure you can, and should. You knew it was a phony and you knew the hordes of True Believers were wasting time and money to replicate it.
Another day another new height the crap mountain has reached. TK how can you bare the smell for so long?
Wouldn't it be ironic if TK and his gang were all part of the same mylow act. That alone should increase the crap mountain by a few kilometers.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 12:12:07 PM
You remind me of a snake-oil salesman who covers himself legally by murumuring cautions about the validity of what he is selling, while he knows the suckers will ignore the cautions and be dazzled by the show he is putting on.
You did a good job of it by building on the existing interest in OC's whipmag and creating your own, phony, version.
You knew the True Believers would see your well-done fake and ignore your murmurs that it was not OU, that you had a theory about why it did what it did, and that you believed there were 17000 joules of energy in it, etc.
I find it irksome that somebody would take advantage of the gullibility of people to let them waste their money on trying to replicate a hoax he had created; and then add insult to injury by coming in here and posing as an exposer of hoaxes.
Sure you can, and should. You knew it was a phony and you knew the hordes of True Believers were wasting time and money to replicate it.
Your so-called discouragement of them was nothing more than smirkingly evasive replies to creampuff questions.
And you remind me of the gullible purchasers of snake-oil, who, when they realize that they aren't going to grow new hair, or get a stiffer pecker, get all reactionary and huffy about it.
Then, when the next snakeoil salesman with a new patter comes to town, you fall all over yourself to be first in line.
There was absolutely no interest in OC's device until "al" took on the project and demonstrated some unusual effects, THAT HAVE BEEN INDEPENDENTLY REPLICATED and that are still being researched, and have produced longer test runs during those effects, relative to a control condition, than ANY other "magnet motor" in existence, and that's independent and factual.
"to let them waste their money"
ROTFL. You are saying that "al" LET them waste their money. That is ridiculous. "AL" had absolutely no control whatever of how other people, grownups all, I thought, CHOOSE to spend their money. If he did, he'd probably be rich.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 12:21:22 PM
Another day another new height the crap mountain has reached. TK how can you bare the smell for so long?
Wouldn't it be ironic if TK and his gang were all part of the same mylow act. That alone should increase the crap mountain by a few kilometers.
See? I told you so.
Yet again.
TK and his gang?
I thought we had already established that I belong to an organization with only one member. It's pretty hard to get a conspiracy going, but we (I?) try.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
See? I told you so.
Yet again.
Tk, I believe I saw your reflection on the glass table pulling a string! I'm still not sure who was pulling the other string, but I believe I saw a very hairy hand which belongs either to a gorilla or bigfoot.
I'll try and see if I can enhance the frame a bit.
REPOST FROM MY POST TO STERLING ON APRIL 7
( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg169041#msg169041)
sterlinga -
I hate to write the following as I've been a fan of yours, but am compelled to do so as a result of your recent activities.
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 05:12:41 AMThe effort and assistance you have provided in this endevour and so many others deserves high praise. Thanks for what you do.
I officially retract this statement.
IMO, you have gone from helpful to delusional and detrimental.
And your recent 'story' reads just like that: a 'story'.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 07, 2009, 12:48:32 AMI just posted the following story at PESN:
"He said the paper they handed him, stating that he was to stop working on this stuff for the sake of preventing a disruption to the economy [e.g. the bullies losing their control over the playground] had some kind of official U.S. Government looking stamp on it. He said that he ended up ripping it up and throwing it out."
So he claims he destroyed the only evidence to support his claim of the MIB episode? Yelp!
I wouldn't even tear up a parking ticket, much less an "or else" document from the NSA!
And his little (non)spinny-thingy is of great importance of the NSA to prevent the collapse of society and the economy as we know it? Yowza!
"He also told Mylow to not post any more videos."
And being so terrified as he was, shortly thereafter he posts another youtube video. Gasp!
I could go on for pages on all the crazy, delusional and inconsistent 'stories'/'data' etc. presented by you and Mylow, but I and others have previously addressed a number of them already.
Quote from: capthook on April 05, 2009, 05:12:41 AMHowever, on this project, there have been many assumptions and opinions based on high expectations without the accompanying evidence.
You continue to ignore the (limited and lacking) data that has been presented - none of which supports the conclusion that the device is functional. You are basing your conclusions mostly on Mylow saying it's so.
You are willing to just take his word that it ran for 18 hours @ 140 rpms with no slowdown?
That would make you.... foolish, gullable and irrational.
Quote from: sterlinga on April 05, 2009, 03:46:39 PMI'm very close to being done with the instruction manual.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans
Quote from: sterlinga on April 06, 2009, 02:02:05 AMI spoke with Mylow ealier this evening and will work up a report. I finally have the plans up.
http://MylowPlans.com
You are in violation of the TOS/Terms and conditions of Overunity.com:
5.5 submit contents containing marketing or promotional material which is intended to solicit business.
While presenting/sharing/desiminating information is to be applauded, your 'manual' is boarding on fraud.
"$25"
"We are confident that these plans are adequate to result in a working magnet motor"
I hope you consider some of these comments and consider whether you have crossed over the line from an observer/tester/reporter to a koolaid drinking snake-oil salesman.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
Tk, I believe I saw your reflection on the glass table pulling a string! I'm still not sure who was pulling the other string, but I believe I saw a very hairy hand which belongs either to a gorilla or bigfoot.
I'll try and see if I can enhance the frame a bit.
Nobody pulls my strings, Broli. Some do try to rattle my cage, but I generally get them back one way or the other. Enhance away, Bro.
Started your Mylow replication yet?
Quote from: capthook on May 18, 2009, 12:37:07 PM
"$25"
"We are confident that these plans are adequate to result in a working magnet motor"
Well, if he adds the $2 mono-filament to the plans, Bob's your uncle. It is a shame though that OU is hanging on by a thread.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
While Alsetalokin irritated the hell out of me, he also stated quite clearly it was NOT overunity, so please explain the phony bit?
Phony like a salesman is phony if he dazzles you with some line of patter and some visually compelling charts or videos or shills, or whatever he is using; and then casually mentions that nothing is guaranteed.
He knows that if the audience wants to believe badly enough, they will focus on the bullshit and ignore his cautions.
Same with Al. Do you think he thought that people would ignore the impressive acceleration of his whipmag and focus on his quiet cautions about 17000 joules, etc? Of course not: he knew he was talking to people who wanted to believe this OU stuff.
If he were not a phony, he would have shown how he made the device accelerate. Instead, he made evasive replies whenever he was asked about it. He never came out and said it was OU: he didn't have to, the video had done that for him. And he knew he could state all day long that it was not OU, and people would still believe it was.
He knew that as long as he did not show how the trick had been done, there would be people out there spending time and money trying to replicate it.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 12:47:27 PM
Phony like a salesman is phony if he dazzles you with some line of patter and some visually compelling charts or videos or shills, or whatever he is using; and then casually mentions that nothing is guaranteed.
He knows that if the audience wants to believe badly enough, they will focus on the bullshit and ignore his cautions.
Same with Al. Do you think he thought that people would ignore the impressive acceleration of his whipmag and focus on his quiet cautions about 17000 joules, etc? Of course not: he knew he was talking to people who wanted to believe this OU stuff.
If he were not a phony, he would have shown how he made the device accelerate. Instead, he made evasive replies whenever he was asked about it. He never came out and said it was OU: he didn't have to, the video had done that for him. And he knew he could state all day long that it was not OU, and people would still believe it was.
He knew that as long as he did not show how the trick had been done, there would be people out there spending time and money trying to replicate it.
If you are so smart, and learned so much from "al", then why did you fall for Mylow like an adolescent drooling at his first glimpse of ... well, never mind.
See, TK is the evil skeptic, everybody forget about Mylow and attack TK.
If you look at it objectively, this is a superb example of how to deal with OU claims and why doubting someone's word is not something to feel bad about. Mylow got away with so much because of his persona, people believed they were hurting him somehow by doubting him. But just like GW, it's clear that it IS possible to be 'simple' yet have bad intentions.
I disagree very strongly, I fell for it and chose to ignore Alsetalokins disclaimer, but that's my responsibility, take responsibility for your own actions, if people chose to ignore the disclaimer, then it is their fault, I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 12:47:27 PM
He knows that if the audience wants to believe badly enough, they will focus on the bullshit and ignore his cautions.
Same with Al. Do you think he thought that people would ignore the impressive acceleration of his whipmag and focus on his quiet cautions about 17000 joules, etc? Of course not: he knew he was talking to people who wanted to believe this OU stuff.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on May 18, 2009, 11:50:55 AM
Did Mylow fake it? ......
So should our replication thread end here?
Well, for most people, it already has ended but maybe for Sterling he's holding on just in case MyLow has a better (and really truthful) explanation. He's probably going to say Howard Johnson's spirit made him do it but he didn't wanted to and finally got the cat and the parrot to pull those strings ... Now, where was I?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 12:25:42 PM
ROTFL. You are saying that "al" LET them waste their money. That is ridiculous. "AL" had absolutely no control whatever of how other people, grownups all, I thought, CHOOSE to spend their money.
Right. No one has an obligation to stop fools from wasting their (the fools') money. But everyone has an obligation not to deliberately steer people down a path that will cause them to waste their money.
And don't tell me how you repeatedly told them your device was not OU: you knew that those True Believers would ignore what you said because they were dazzled by the video and wanted to believe.
You deliberately steered them down a path that you knew would cause them to waste their money.
Did you and your buddies at work laugh your asses off at how easy it was to fool the rubes?
Wow... after watching that video, I'm just as convinced it's a fake as I was it was real.
Just not surprised considering it's impossible to start with.
Does make me wonder why someone that couldn't take controversy would put theirself in such a position.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 01:02:22 PM
Right. No one has an obligation to stop fools from wasting their (the fools') money. But everyone has an obligation not to deliberately steer people down a path that will cause them to waste their money.
And don't tell me how you repeatedly told them your device was not OU: you knew that those True Believers would ignore what you said because they were dazzled by the video and wanted to believe.
You deliberately steered them down a path that you knew would cause them to waste their money.
Did you and your buddies at work laugh your asses off at how easy it was to fool the rubes?
Man, you sound really bitter. Are you one of the ones whose wife left them, over their constant neglect of their family by trying to do what is clearly impossible, and that AL ALWAYS TOLD YOU WAS IMPOSSIBLE?
Yeah, I do find that pretty funny. But then I have a morbid sense of humor.
Now, can we get back to discussing Mylow's and Sterling's FRAUD?
There you go again, passing off
your responsibility to someone else, is that how you live your home life, is that how you do your job?
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 01:02:22 PM
And don't tell me how you repeatedly told them your device was not OU: you knew that those True Believers would ignore what you said because they were dazzled by the video and wanted to believe.
You deliberately steered them down a path that you knew would cause them to waste their money.
Did you and your buddies at work laugh your asses off at how easy it was to fool the rubes?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 12:53:19 PM
If you are so smart, and learned so much from "al", then why did you fall for Mylow like an adolescent drooling at his first glimpse of ... well, never mind.
You are hallucinating. Mylow banned my comments to his videos because they were skeptical, to put it mildly. My comments here about his device have been in the same vein.
Quote from: lumen on May 18, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
Wow... after watching that video, I'm just as convinced it's a fake as I was it was real.
Just not surprised considering it's impossible to start with.
Does make me wonder why someone that couldn't take controversy would put theirself in such a position.
I think Mylow did have a real appreciation for HJ, as evidenced by his drawings when he was a kid, it's just that he like everyone else couldn't get it to work. That first video with the motor turning was pretty bad, he pans the camera to the bed/floor, moves around a little, just enough to give the platter a push, and cuts the video short. It was definitely a combination of hand spinning sometimes and using a motor others. Mylow probably didn't think that initial video would go over so well, yet everyone freaked out including myself because they wanted to believe. So it was off the the races from there, and no one will ever know if it was his plan from the start. He's still a jerk though.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
I think Mylow did have a real appreciation for HJ, as evidenced by his drawings when he was a kid, it's just that he like everyone else couldn't get it to work. That first video with the motor turning was pretty bad, he pans the camera to the bed/floor, moves around a little, just enough to give the platter a push, and cuts the video short. It was definitely a combination of hand spinning sometimes and using a motor others. Mylow probably didn't think that initial video would go over so well, yet everyone freaked out including myself because they wanted to believe. So it was off the the races from there, and no one will ever know if it was his plan from the start. He's still a jerk though.
What bugs me is that there are such 'sincere' folks who can look you in the eye and say believable stuff and even pretend to cry on someone's grave just to add drama to their cause. MyLow should change his name to MySoooooLow! Pretty disgusting come to think of it. I don't know how his brother and wife and sister got into the act. Maybe it runs in the family?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
Mylow probably didn't think that initial video would go over so well, yet everyone freaked out including myself because they wanted to believe. So it was off the the races from there, and no one will ever know if it was his plan from the start. He's still a jerk though.
Mylow (and the bird) should go on Dr. Phil's show.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 12:53:55 PM
If you look at it objectively, this is a superb example of how to deal with OU claims and why doubting someone's word is not something to feel bad about. Mylow got away with so much because of his persona, people believed they were hurting him somehow by doubting him. But just like GW, it's clear that it IS possible to be 'simple' yet have bad intentions.
What's the old saying? If you can fake sincerity you got it made.
Quote from: canam101 on May 18, 2009, 01:15:48 PM
Mylow (and the bird) should go on Dr. Phil's show.
I'd watch that
Quote from: chrisC on May 18, 2009, 01:15:24 PM
What bugs me is that there are such 'sincere' folks who can look you in the eye and say believable stuff and even pretend to cry on someone's grave just to add drama to their cause. MyLow should change his name to MySoooooLow! Pretty disgusting come to think of it. I don't know how his brother and wife and sister got into the act. Maybe it runs in the family?
cheers
chrisC
It's revolting. But hey they're from Chicago.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
Tk, I believe I saw your reflection on the glass table pulling a string! I'm still not sure who was pulling the other string, but I believe I saw a very hairy hand which belongs either to a gorilla or bigfoot.
I'll try and see if I can enhance the frame a bit.
As promised I attached the analysis. The truth is more shocking than before. The invisible string seems to be a snake!
"Same with Al. Do you think he thought that people would ignore the impressive acceleration of his whipmag and focus on his quiet cautions about 17000 joules, etc? Of course not: he knew he was talking to people who wanted to believe this OU stuff.
If he were not a phony, he would have shown how he made the device accelerate. Instead, he made evasive replies whenever he was asked about it. He never came out and said it was OU: he didn't have to, the video had done that for him. And he knew he could state all day long that it was not OU, and people would still believe it was.
He knew that as long as he did not show how the trick had been done, there would be people out there spending time and money trying to replicate it."
In response to this and the mylow game.
1: I dabbled in the al device and learned a great deal.
2: Did I belive all of it, NO yet still gave such posibility of claims validity. Did I hope such show was real and replicatable, yes.
Some were such as the decreased drag to rpm, to a point, and of course the AGW effect. Note: the AGW effect may still have a great deal of practical implications in the real world of electromagnetic dynamics. so far just an oddity, yet may answer some questions in chemistry and physics.
3: I can find no reason for the Mylow machine to work. I find a great deal of reason to believe it will not work.
4: the Al story had a good run with out major discrepancies in it. Mylows is full of holes right from the beginning which should have set off flags of "what" for everyone.
5: The MIB should have killed the whole thing for folks. Yet it follows the conspiracy theory line that goes with FE, that so many seem to believe. ( again that hope all this stuff could be real.)
6: Some of the claims of Al device have been replicated. No so with the Mylow device.
7: I see nothing of value or practical reason on the Mylow device except a great story line.
Got to give credit were credit is due, Mylow game is a great story.
All the way through the Al thing folks were asked why would you build one of them. What reasons for doing such was asked.
Yet mylow even in his claims of fake does not really say it is fake, more cynical games with him.
Did any one see the short fake one done by a studio that was rapidly outed as fake? (had litle coils of wire on the top and was shown with a clock.)
Mylows game fits that method of presentation. To many holes in the story right from the start.
Does he have a real magnet motor, well I and many other have good reason to doubt it.
If he does he best take it to some one who can work with such, He will not of course, as already shown in the time line of this game.
Does he really believes it works, who knows. I doubt it, the story just shifts with the flow from input of outside folks. A speculative reason these vids are removed is to stop the tracking of the story and the comment sections of them vids.
I watched for such, why did not the rest of you?
TK is a gorilla and the invisible man?, that's, that's, well I'm lost for words!
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
As promised I attached the analysis. The truth is more shocking than before. The invisible string seems to be a snake!
Possible Motive:
I can't find the link right now, but somewhere within the Mylow (myth) marketing pages, there's a reference to HJ's (what I refer to as) "Shiloh proficy"... where (paraphrasing):
Quote"...a simple person, known as 'Shiloh' would be the one to reproduce his results and THAT PERSON should be the one to inherit all of HJ's notes and/or equipment"
..kinda makes you wonder if (ahem) "Mylow" or Sterling was the first to mention this (potential connection)... eh?
- build some level of (seeming) legitimacy that Sh... erm Mylow had reproduced results (btw, Mylow actually mentioned "Shiloh magnets" in one video - get that word out there...)
- go visit grave (to garner sympathy with family?)
- publically reveal the "Shiloh Proficy" as part of the "fluff" info on the system and parties involved.
- at some point, try to cash in on HJ's notes/gear.
...then again, maybe I'm just being paranoid :).
Damn good reason it seems. Great thinking.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 18, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
Possible Motive:
I can't find the link right now, but somewhere within the Mylow (myth) marketing pages, there's a reference to HJ's (what I refer to as) "Shiloh proficy"... where (paraphrasing):
..kinda makes you wonder if (ahem) "Mylow" or Sterling was the first to mention this... eh?
- build some level of (seeming) legitimacy that Sh... erm Mylow had reproduced results (btw, Mylow actually mentioned "Shiloh magnets" in one video - get that word out there...)
- go visit grave (to garner sympathy with family?)
- publically reveal the "Shiloh Proficy" as part of the "fluff" info on the system and parties involved.
- at some point, try to cash in on HJ's notes/gear.
...then again, maybe I'm just being paranoid :).
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
As promised I attached the analysis. The truth is more shocking than before. The invisible string seems to be a snake!
class!
Right on cue...
"Mylow at hospital"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1399
""Hang in there.
I think some prayers and apologies and well-wishing would be in order.
Sterling""
UNREAL!!
Tinsel Koala protest statement!
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:May17_TinselKoala-protest-statement_jp70.jpg
Best soap opera ever.
I was going guess that a "crying" video would show up, but, I guess a trip to the hospital could garner some sympathy too.
Talk about going down with the ship, still talking about crop circles and stuff . I guess that adds legitimacy to the debate. Is he inferring that MYLOW was standing next Biden in the photo with the identified employee? Did he just kinda state both these reasons as to why the motor is legit?
There must be some good rea$on to continue perpetuating this astounding accomplishment. I can't quite put my finger on it...........
Mylow is going down and he is going to take Sterling with him, Sterling should cut loose now before it goes any further.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
Right on cue...
"Mylow at hospital"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1399
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Mylow is going down and he is going to take Sterling with him, Sterling should cut loose now before it goes any further.
It's pretty far out there that Sterling decided to post a 'TK protest note' after it's already been proven that Mylow did in fact use a motor and fishing line. Someone needs to disconnect Sterling's modem for a few days.
Hey, maybe Mylow has gone to the hospital and will have certification of proof, but I think the diagnosis will be stress due to being uncovered as a prankster.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
It's pretty far out there that Sterling decided to post a 'TK protest note' after it's already been proven that Mylow did in fact use a motor and fishing line. Someone needs to disconnect Sterling's modem for a few days.
Once again, Free Speech and Free thinkers on OU.com help the truth win the day. But we, genuine FE researchers, can't let our guard down. The scammers have learned as much as we do.
Next time it may be harder to expose these fraud artists. I am sure they will buy ad space on OU.com or pay Stefan to shut us up. Hopefully, Stefan will not be buying into their sinister game. Hopefully, Stefan will stay on the side of freedom of speech and real free energy research. Hopefully, Stefan will not sell out.
Miki Out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 18, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
Once again, Free Speech and Free thinkers on OU.com help the truth win the day. But we, genuine FE researchers, can't let our guard down. The scammers have learned as much as we do.
Next time it may be harder to expose these fraud artists. I am sure they will buy ad space on OU.com or pay Stefan to shut us up. Hopefully, Stefan will not be buying into their sinister game. Hopefully, Stefan will stay on the side of freedom of speech and real free energy research. Hopefully, Stefan will not sell out.
Miki Out.
Yes Miki, I'm pleased as are you that truth prevailed, a grand day.
But one thing that will always uphold the truthful path: Any builder of a successful device should always be open to sharing said device with third parties. Failure to do so should ALWAYS raise a red flag to us. We should always remember and exercise this in all future analysis. Nothing complicated about that, just common sense!
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 02:17:45 PM
Yes truth prevailed, a grand day for rightous souls.
But one thing that will always uphold the truthful path: Any builder of a successful device should always be open to sharing said device with third parties. Failure to do so should ALWAYS raise a red flag to us. We should always remember and exercise this in all future analysis. Nothing complicated about that, just common sense!
Gee, science 101. Who would have thunk?
Although I might not approve of his methods, I find Stefan to be pretty fair when it comes to his site, he's only made one serious mistake IMHO and that concerns a certain biased moderator, since it is not nettiquette to mention the moderators name in open forum I shall decline from doing so.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 18, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
Once again, Free Speech and Free thinkers on OU.com help the truth win the day. But we, genuine FE researchers, can't let our guard down. The scammers have learned as much as we do.
Next time it may be harder to expose these fraud artists. I am sure they will buy ad space on OU.com or pay Stefan to shut us up. Hopefully, Stefan will not be buying into their sinister game. Hopefully, Stefan will stay on the side of freedom of speech and real free energy research. Hopefully, Stefan will not sell out.
Miki Out.
i think the shark will get more spins soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxrS5njIiHM
Well such may be, and I hope he gets better. so I will wish him well.
Yet this by Sterling
"I think some prayers and apologies and well-wishing would be in order."
I have no need to apologies for any thing. A video is not proof of anything.
Yet here again Sterling incites the folks to believe at any cost hoping folks purchase from him; and or: he does not end up looking like the fool.
Apologies for what? Not believing a claim of a working magnet disk with out proof? ROTFLMAO
You may be right RunningBare
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Mylow is going down and he is going to take Sterling with him, Sterling should cut loose now before it goes any further.
I'm reading on other forums some people saying "explain his sketches from when he was younger about HJ motors?"
Are you 'kin serious? Mein Gott!!!!
Oh my God! Latest John Bedini to Sterling. Read closely between the lines. It can only get better from now on. The fight among mylows camp, backers and supporters have just started. Read on:
"Sterling,
Since you would not answer your phone when I tried to call
you I only have this to say.
Some years ago, Tom Bearden tried to convince HJ that John Bedini was that
person. John pulled in with a 34-foot trailer, but HJ was reluctant once he met
him, and only parted with a few things -- on a loan basis -- including his rail
motors. (Ref.) Bedini is an extremely gifted scientist, and hardly fits the
"mind of a child" description. Mylow, on the other hand, fits that description
to a tee.
This statement is so untrue, Get the facts straight John Bedini only tried to
help your group, John Bedini did not go anywhere with a 34 foot Van to pick up
anything. Tom Bearden never tried to convince HJ of anything. HJ gave Tom
Bearden everything and Has The letter To Prove It .It was brought to my lab to
be measured. You have made me out to some kind of thief that has gone around in
the middle of the night to take things from people.
HJ work is in safe keeping here and I won't say where.
I have never done anything to you to deserve this crap from you. When things did
not work out for you with the SG you burned me at the stake and then let all
kinds of people beat me up again, hope your happy. I said to everybody you do
not know the story of HJ and it's not my place to tell you or anybody anything.
My crime here is trying to help, I can see that does not work. You need to
apologize for such bad reporting.
But you have done more damage then you think, you can't just brush this one off
as people now just think I'm a thief of some kind. Boot me off it makes no
difference now.
If you do not have the facts do not write anything. Do you have any Idea of how
many phone calls I have already got over this. You need to figure out how to fix
this whole thing NOW!!!!! and I mean Now.
John Bedini
"
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Gee, science 101. Who would have thunk?
Yup, it is science 101 but unfortunately it would seem not enough have thunk. And some still fail to thunk.
@all
Gee mylow in hospital, let's hope his doctor is more honorable than he.
Well, I for one am just glad this saga is over. Much thanks to those who put in the time and effort both to replicate and to debunk! We may never know what his motivation was, but I'd like to note that he didn't come to us...we went to him.
/begin conjecture
when he was bombarded by sterling and the masses I suspect he was quickly in over his head. I think he attempted to get out via mib stories but sterling ha too much pressure on him so he kept at it. I also suspect that his motivation was to further hj research (he certainly did that) and it was his hope that someone would be able to produce a working device. I think his belief in hj claims and theory was genuine.
/ end conjecture
I would like to think that sterling simply let his desire get the better of him and he learned a valuable lesson... But IMHO sterling is too driven by emotion to be objective and his reputation is beyond redemption in my eyes. Although i doubt this will be end of sterling or pes i think the honorable thing would be full disclosure and stepping down. Hari kari is a lost art.
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 02:29:45 PM
Yup, it is science 101 but unfortunately it would seem not enough have thunk. And some still fail to thunk.
And yet that doesn't stop them from trying to debunk CoE. Sort of like trying to cut down a mighty oak with a plastic knife.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
And yet that doesn't stop them from trying to debunk CoE. Sort of like trying to cut down a mighty oak with a plastic knife.
Hey mister did you forget where you are at. Free energy forum. Just because this case is closed for you don't expect people to tolerate attacks on the whole community.
@TK
How elementary of you to honor us with your last video. Now do it from 6-10 feet with 2 lb. test. Remove the flywheel on your motor and just use the shaft. Oh yeh, use your big wheel and turn it simply from the center base. Tell me how it works out for you. lol
@All
Well it's been a pretty busy morning.
Everybody is so happy to discover a new string theory.
The fins have made a great video showing what they want to show.
So this means more shit to sort out.
One question goes to the post made my LightRider here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179857#msg179857
Question 1: If those are strings you are showing drawn into the image, please explain how they are to reach the base of the wheel at the angle they are at?
Based on image fin1.jpg below that I grabbed from the Finland video.
Question 2: Please explain why the arrow #1 is not simply pointing to a line in the carpet. Also explain why the line just dissapears in arrows 2 to 4. Oh yes, you can think this is what you see but is it? Who the hell knows. If I look at the rest of the area around 2 to 4, I would say it is just normal and very suggestive to see a string. Also both supposed strings are approaching the wheel at what angle to confirm they are alligned with the wheel base????
Based on image fin2.jpg below that I grabbed from the Finland video.
Question 3: Please explain why, if you purport that the arrow #2 is pointing to a string, then why in arrow #1 I am pointing to the base of the left bridge and you can clearly see the shadow change is just an effect from the lighting created by a normal shadow on the wall. No String, sorry.
Question 4: please explain how there could be a string coming from so far away, put onto the wheel base, made to turn, and then not expect the string to slide down into the union of the lower base and the bearing
Based on image fin3.jpg below that I grabbed from the Finland video.
Question 5: Where is the string?. This image is taken from the same video, same resolution as the whole video that was made. Why don't we see the string? Or was this video pan not part of the focal point of what they wanted to show. lol
Then without photos or anything else;
Question 6: I have been an avid fisherman all my life and have dealt with my fishing lines. I knwo how they stretch, how they contract. So please explain to me from the distance the sofa/motor to the wheel base, how much stress would be reuired on a fishing string to be able to make that big f(*kin wheel turn. The string is on the base where there is the least amount of motive potential to develop in such a scheme.
Question 7: Also please explain that if the fishing string had to be tensioned to such a degree as to create enough holding and turning power on a center shaft, why did this line extension not contract to the point of flying back towards the sofa/motor and not stay within supposed grasping distance.
Question 8: Please explain after the supposed string contracted and Mylow supposedly put it back on the base, how the string stayed intact on the simply straight shaft of the motor/sofa. have any of you seen fishing wire that had to be tensioned stay in tack or stay put when let go. Not me.
Question 9: If you had a string going from the sofa to the wheel base, then how the hell can you leave a cat to possible walk around the room and obviously have the potential of banging into it.
- My Conclusion -
So right now, although all this is very interesting, I cannot say it is irrefutable evidence.
As for the battery/motor on the sofa. He could have left these on the center table after he made his video showing them, and the put them on the sofa to make room for his wheel. So basically, circumstantial at best.
To repudiate such string claims, Mylow would most likely consider making a last video with the wheel in a box or boxed all around showing him walk with a sword taken swings in all possible directions around the wheel.
But regardless if this is fake or not, I am still the moderator here and there are still rules of common courtesy that some members here don't seem to figure apply in all circumstances. WELL THEY DO.
Message to Mylow.
Mylow, no I am not giving up on you and my identical wheel will be in hand this week with magnets next week. I am just tired of this part time, non-paid job of working in the local cesspool. Can't stand the stink and it is taking away to much of my TPU work and there is simply no end to this. Pages grow faster here then an adolescents daily pimple count.
So my recommendation, if you want, make a video showing the wheel start up, turning then take a solid large piece of cardboard and place on the ground upwards near one side and walk it all around the table. Show under the wheel. Whatever, don't pick your nose because guys will say you are greasing your bearing with special dielectrics, don't scratch your neck or forehead because guys will say you have a magnetized cranial implant, don't touch your cat because guys will say you are picking up some static electricity that you then transfer to the wheel. Come to think of it, just show the wheel turning, do the walk around with a cardboard wall then go into a coma to show you are not effecting anything. Good luck. Oh yes, forgot, always drag you feet. lol
The "more attachment" feature does not work so I am posting the two others pictures separately.
The "more attachment" feature does not work so I am posting the two others pictures separately.
Huh, there's an attack in there?
Now I actually disagree with Bobatov, mainly because I take the stance we are still learning and learning never ends, but I saw no attack in his post.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 02:36:47 PM
Hey mister did you forget where you are at. Free energy forum. Just because this case is closed for you don't expect people to tolerate attacks on the whole community.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 02:40:56 PM
Huh, there's an attack in there?
Now I actually disagree with Bobatov, mainly because I take the stance we are still learning and learning never ends, but I saw no attack in his post.
Are you his lawyer or something? Must be some sort of double act.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 02:36:47 PM
Hey mister did you forget where you are at. Free energy forum. Just because this case is closed for you don't expect people to tolerate attacks on the whole community.
I am sure you have a whole set of plastic flatware. Bon appetite!
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 02:38:41 PM
@TK
How elementary of you to honor us with your last video. Now do it from 6-10 feet with 2 lb. test. Remove the flywheel on your motor and just use the shaft. Oh yeh, use your big wheel and turn it simply from the center base. Tell me how it works out for you. lol
Groan. Do you want me to do it outside too? I can do all of that. Except I can't find any 2 lb test. Would 3 lb. be OK with you? There's no flywheel on the motor, that's a little plastic pulley. See the latest for an example of speed. Why don't you think I could do this with the 5 kilo Mylow wheel? And outside, and showing it reversing, and with lighter line. It's trivial, and you are starting to sound like Sterling. No offense.
I remind folks that I pointed out that Mylow's rig was more stable than it should be on that strange mounting system, IF it were driven from above the edge of the disk. But being turned by a line around the mount, that solves that problem too, doesn't it. Yet another OBSERVATION, that was inconsistent with the old "theory", that is perfectly explained by the new one.
@broli: you're a mensch. That's a good thing, if you don't speak Yiddish. I rotfl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuN105wBwsw
@TK
3 lb is fine. Remove the pulley and place the string around the center base of your bigger wheel. Good luck. Just watch out though. Them catfish can bite.
Added:
Oh I forgot. Once you have enough tension on that string to make it do what is it supposed to do, take a fish weight thingy and put it on the string to see how much tension is required. lol Then tell me if this much tension can be held back with a motor on its side, held back with a pillow. lol
"Question 6: I have been an avid fisherman all my life and have dealt with my fishing lines. I knwo how they stretch, how they contract. So please explain to me from the distance the sofa/motor to the wheel base, how much stress would be reuired on a fishing string to be able to make that big f(*kin wheel turn. The string is on the base where there is the least amount of motive potential to develop in such a scheme.
Question 7: Also please explain that if the fishing string had to be tensioned to such a degree as to create enough holding and turning power on a center shaft, why did this line extension not contract to the point of flying back towards the sofa/motor and not stay within supposed grasping distance.
Question 8: Please explain after the supposed string contracted and Mylow supposedly put it back on the base, how the string stayed intact on the simply straight shaft of the motor/sofa. have any of you seen fishing wire that had to be tensioned stay in tack or stay put when let go. Not me."
I guess you haven't caught many fish with light line.
I have.
Look at my videos. See how FAST the disk accelerates? See how strongly (NOT!) the tiny little stepper motor is pulled toward the disk? There are only ounces of tension in the line even at full on max acceleration or even reversing the stepper at FULL SPEED. The line slips just like a clutch. It doesn't need to be very tight, just needs slack taken out.
Once again, you are conjecturing and I am showing real data that disconfirms your conjectures.
Fact - no one can replicate it using magnets only.
*The End*
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
@TK
3 lb is fine. Remove the pulley and place the string around the center base of your bigger wheel. Good luck. Just watch out though. Them catfish can bite.
If I remove the pulley, anyone can tell you there will be even more torque available. It just won't go as fast with a given step speed.
Please, I do not want to take my Mylow wheel apart just now, to prove a point. Don't make me do it, you will just look sillier than you already do.
Added: the tension is only a few grams.
Just do it like I say and post. Or are you afraid you are fishing in the wrong creek.
Don't always compare apples with oranges. Your test shows nothing but another non-relevant replication.
Added:
Oh, I am just using the scientific method of de-falsification. What's good for the goose should be good for .... well you know. lol
@ Pirate: The idea of apologizing to you is absurd and demeaning, nor would i ever apologize for, or be intimidated out of, sticking up for an unconcerned person who was attacked by a cyber-bully.
You were certainly in the wrong to suggest anything like that about the father of an opponent, and then you compounded it by deriding him publicly: Of that there really is no question or excuse.... And in virtually any other forum we could name, it would have gotten you banned, for at least a time.
Hiding behind a cheap disclaimer like some lawyer, while still mouthing the poison, is not an "excuse" but more like an insult to our intelligence.
It is apparently hopeless to expect you to apologize for it. But it is not yet hopeless that this forum will collectively reject, and punish, such behavior in the future.
The below is not aimed at you, it is about those who try to purposely destruct... Not just blunder into it and do their work for free ;)
______________
@All:
Many of the peeps here are attempting to make it appear that to post against what they are saying will get you attacked.... That disagreeing will insure you become the next target. Don't let them get away with it, it is a toothless threat: This forum is still for those who wish to expand their knowledge, not for those who wish to deride others, poison the waters, and chill intellectual curiosity. This is a fight that is worth fighting, and ultimately must be fought. It is a battle over the soul of this community... And it is being waged right now, right here in this thread and other threads here and on other similar forums.
Those who would dissuade us from trying are just shadows, shades who can't hurt you unless you believe in them... And despite all their efforts, the facts remain these hidden technologies still exist, are still waiting for us to let them out into the light. It is very important to always remember that the only way they can defeat us, is to convince us to quit on our own.
No matter what they pull, no matter what deliberate attempts to destroy this community are made... That can't happen as long as we remain focused on our goals, continue to follow our curiosity, and maintain our objectivity. We WILL succeed, they WILL fail in stopping us ;)
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
@TK
3 lb is fine. Remove the pulley and place the string around the center base of your bigger wheel. Good luck. Just watch out though. Them catfish can bite.
Added:
Oh I forgot. Once you have enough tension on that string to make it do what is it supposed to do, take a fish weight thingy and put it on the string to see how much tension is required. lol Then tell me if this much tension can be held back with a motor on its side, held back with a pillow. lol
Hundreds of years of the best minds ever understanding the forces of magnetism and with the conclusion that magnet motors are not possible. Yet you believe someone who can't even compose a simple sentence has overturned all that is known. And now you believe that it can't be done with a simple fishing line. Very strange.
Your grasping at straws, while the evidence is not irrefutable it's very strong evidence and as a moderator you should now be putting yourself on the fence because you are an example to others, not to do so is shame upon yourself.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
@TK
3 lb is fine. Remove the pulley and place the string around the center base of your bigger wheel. Good luck. Just watch out though. Them catfish can bite.
Added:
Oh I forgot. Once you have enough tension on that string to make it do what is it supposed to do, take a fish weight thingy and put it on the string to see how much tension is required. lol Then tell me if this much tension can be held back with a motor on its side, held back with a pillow. lol
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
Just do it like I say and post. Or are you afraid you are fishing in the wrong creek.
Don't always compare apples with oranges. Your test shows nothing but another non-relevant replication.
People, what do you think? Want me to make Wattsup look silly?
I'll tell you what, Watts. You've been pretty abusive to me because of my skepticism and my free speech stance. How about this: If I do this video for you, and it works. I want you to write me a letter of apology - REAL apology -- and post it here. OTOH, if I cannot get it to work, as you continue to add conditions (I'm not buying a glass table and getting married, by the Beard of the Prophet (pbuh)), I will say "Uncle" and admit that Mylow is a better faker than I am. Right here in front of Allah and everyone.
What do you say?
(And is there any proof that Mylow even bothered to use line that light? I think his is even heavier than the six-lb that I showed.)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
Your grasping at straws, while the evidence is not irrefutable it's very strong evidence and as a moderator you should now be putting yourself on the fence because you are an example to others, not to do so is shame upon yourself.
Well, we'll have to wait for Wattsup to be the first genuine replicator of the fishing wire assisted magnetic wheel! You never know. MyLow next's video could show us how an alien dropped by and taught him new tricks to illuminate our feeble minds.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
People, what do you think? Want me to make Wattsup look silly?
I'll tell you what, Watts. You've been pretty abusive to me because of my skepticism and my free speech stance. How about this: If I do this video for you, and it works. I want you to write me a letter of apology - REAL apology -- and post it here. OTOH, if I cannot get it to work, as you continue to add conditions (I'm not buying a glass table and getting married, by the Beard of the Prophet (pbuh)), I will say "Uncle" and admit that Mylow is a better faker than I am. Right here in front of Allah and everyone.
What do you say?
TinselKoala, I respect your involvement and posts, but PLEASE get over yourself.
All this backslapping is getting annoying.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 18, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
And yet that doesn't stop them from trying to debunk CoE. Sort of like trying to cut down a mighty oak with a plastic knife.
I agree, some systems might exhibit FE or OU or whatever you want to call it. But the systems will probably still be obeying COE at the end of the day, just that the entire system may not be fully understood, the source of energy may be uncharted territory when it is first noticed.
For example, the fact that the universe and all of its energy exists is in my mind some kind of violation of COE as far as cosmology and physics as it stands can explain.
May this forum continue to chart new waters, and may we all do it objectively and truthfully.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 03:08:47 PM
TinselKoala, I respect your involvement and posts, but PLEASE get over yourself.
All this backslapping is getting annoying.
What, do you just jump in anywhere without reading previous posts? I am here directly replying to a request from Wattsup to do something that I believe will cost me hours of time and convince no one, in addition to showing nothing new. I'm not going to do that lightly, you can bet on it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
People, what do you think? Want me to make Wattsup look silly?
Don´t think you need to, Doing a fine job himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4&feature=channel_page
Ok, my theory why the line does not tangle up as certain posters say it would, Mylow does not just place the line on the wooden block, he hooks it, maybe a splinter sticking up, maybe just hooked it on the block.
Yes wattsup, it's a theory, but so far a little better than your rebuttals.
@TK
You opened the can of sardines. I'm just telling you they are anchovies. You decide and I make no promises because I do not want you to make promises and eat crow. I don't get my fancies from such events.
@RunningBare
Oh yeh, then what do you do with the knot in the line. Must be an invisible knot too. Wow.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
@TK
You opened the can of sardines. I'm just telling you they are anchovies. You decide and I make no promises because I do not want you to make promises and eat crow. I don't get my fancies from such events.
@RunningBare
Oh yeh, then what do you do with the knot in the line. Must be an invisible knot too. Wow.
Yep, invisible knots. Any light tackle fisherman (or gal) knows how to tie invisible knots.
Wattsup's requested video is uploading now. Next he'll want me to run it around a corner and up the stairs. I can do that too. ]
Please PLEASE don't make me, my landlord is starting to think I'm nuts. And I'm starting to agree.
I hate to say it but as I showed the effect of the 2 stators and how they are layed out in a couple of videos, I am more than sure that it takes little torque to pull the rotor set of magnets through it, then you get the kick out effect that then helps.
If you are using Cat Gut that is wound a couple of times on a big motor axle like the one Mylow showed and had it as a single loop around an aluminium stalk, when tensioned it would turn it the Aluminium disk with no problems.
It will gain speed slowly because the magnetic force gets less as the disk speeds up, which then allows the motor to get upto speed and also more grip on the aluminium stalk as less resistance.
When you apply pressure to the disk to stop it and keep your hands on it, the Cat Gut would just simply slide on the aluminium, even though looking at the size of that motor, the torque would be pretty damm good.
I have a old Plotter at home and when I stripped it down I was expecting it to see threaded rod for the X and Y movement. But nope it uses small wire wrapped around twice on small plastic wheels and the speed and accuracy of that plotter is spot on.
So I personaly cannot dismiss the idea that this can be done this way.
Will I go and try to prove it? nope got better things to do. But it is great that others have and great that others have given this as an explanation.
The only way for Mylow to prove that this is not so is to place a clear Dome or box over the top as he does not want anyone else to see and validate it.
But I feel we will not see Mylow now after this.
I looked back on the older videos tonight to see if the same trates were seen in earlier videos, hoping that the Stonehenge original rotor may of been genuine and for whatever reasons, compared to the new ones were maybe not for whatever reason (Still trying to keep a open mind).
I was dissapointed when watching this one again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAACB8T_K-4&feature=channel_page as the Stator is cellotaped to the glass table and the rotor is moved, which again could be taking up the slack if a hidden clear wire is used.
Looking at other videos, there are so many times the rotor is not turning yet hands seem to be on it alot, as in stopping it spinning.
Lets see what feedback comes back from these finding, but I feel it will just die a death like other claims as usual and onto the next :)
TK your videos make me smile, dunno if I agree with your approach sometimes, but not my place to judge you. But you are f*ck*ing MAD you know that ;D ;D
Cheers
Sean.
Thanks, Sean, when you call me mad, I know I've accomplished something.
For Watts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g
Now, would you like me to run it upstairs and around a corner?
If I used even lighter line, would that make the tension more or less, or just the same?
I get pretty much instant reversals at speed, too, even over that distance. These new monofilaments don't stretch much at all.
@CLaNZeR
Good post.
But you see here is the dilema. The string has to be tight enough to start and increase but loose enough to de-clutch all while the string is invisible enough to not be seen, and actionable from some 6-10 feet away by a motor shaft that is 2 inches long and held in place by a pillow. This sounds like a Steven Spielberg thriller called The Magic String Theory.
Then is the dilemma when Mylows assembles and starts the wheel while having that motor on turning a string that is not attached or de-clutched, hence no string tension on the motor shaft side, then placing in on the wheel base to show it turns. MMMMMM. Nahhhhhh.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 03:51:42 PM
@CLaNZeR
Good post.
But you see here is the dilema. The string has to be tight enough to start and increase but loose enough to de-clutch all while the string is invisible enough to not be seen, and actionable from some 6-10 feet away by a motor shaft that is 2 inches long and held in place by a pillow. This sounds like a Steven Spielberg thriller called The Magic String Theory.
Then is the dilemma when Mylows assembles and starts the wheel while having that motor on turning a string that is not attached or de-clutched, hence no string tension on the motor shaft side, then placing in on the wheel base to show it turns. MMMMMM. Nahhhhhh.
I think you had better stop talking, and listen a while. You are about to swallow that foot.
Has it been suppressed by the anti MiB? not getting it here in the UK.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
Thanks, Sean, when you call me mad, I know I've accomplished something.
For Watts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 03:56:51 PM
Has it been suppressed by the anti MiB? not getting it here in the UK.
Just posted it, probably still processing. Try again in a minute or two.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
Now, would you like me to run it upstairs and around a corner?
If I used even lighter line, would that make the tension more or less, or just the same?
No, I would like to see it on the table you used for the whip mag... is that why you only film in the kitchen now?
Ron
YouTube says "This video is unavailable.".
Quote from: i_ron on May 18, 2009, 04:01:01 PM
No, I would like to see it on the table you used for the whip mag... is that why you only film in the kitchen now?
Ron
Only in the kitchen? Another false statement. I clearly sometimes "film" in my bed-sitting room too.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
YouTube says "This video is unavailable.".
Uh-oh. Suppression.
Or maybe YT just isn't finished processing it. I'll ftp you the high-res original (for free!!) if you give me your ftp login particulars.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 03:51:42 PM
But you see here is the dilema. The string has to be tight enough to start and increase but loose enough to de-clutch all while the string is invisible enough to not be seen, and actionable from some 6-10 feet away by a motor shaft that is 2 inches long and held in place by a pillow. This sounds like a Steven Spielberg thriller called The Magic String Theory.
Then is the dilemma when Mylows assembles and starts the wheel while having that motor on turning a string that is not attached or de-clutched, hence no string tension on the motor shaft side, then placing in on the wheel base to show it turns. MMMMMM. Nahhhhhh.
We have to remember that this disk is spinning at very very low revolutions, even though the disk may look like it is going some speed, it actually is not. Look at my wind down videos and see even at 40 RPMS how fast the disk looks like it is going.
At slow RPMs on the motor, you could easly motor side tension the incoming line, double wrap and tension the out going line, You can slacken off that loop of Cat Gut and it will happily loop.
Or even better just have a small switch next too your side that you can turn the motor off when the line is too slack, once verything is in place, flick the switch and get the tension right. There are many ways of doing it, that do not need any real technical expertise.
Get some Cat Gut, tie it in a knot and pull hard, it will hold damm good. Now to un do the knot simply push on one end and the knot will slide away very easly. Fantastic material for a clutch. Try that with string, different story.
Like I say keep an open mind and accept every possibility.
Please do not make me replicate this, because you know I will LOL ;D
@all, you are being violently misdirected towards the last (faked) project. It is so obvious it is almost ludicrous. (Yeah just as ludicrous as my CT ::) )
There is no doubt in my mind whatsover that this setup is genuine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
The reasons should be obvious from my other posts.
Do not be fooled & do not trust anyone, including myself, but rather replicate the above as close as you can and see for yourself.
Nuff said.
AZ
Quote from: jibbguy on May 18, 2009, 03:02:42 PM
@ Pirate: The idea of apologizing to you is absurd and demeaning, nor would i ever apologize for, or be intimidated out of, sticking up for an unconcerned person who was attacked by a cyber-bully.
You were certainly in the wrong to suggest anything like that about the father of an opponent, and then you compounded it by deriding him publicly: Of that there really is no question or excuse.... And in virtually any other forum we could name, it would have gotten you banned, for at least a time.
Hiding behind a cheap disclaimer like some lawyer, while still mouthing the poison, is not an "excuse" but more like an insult to our intelligence.
It is apparently hopeless to expect you to apologize for it. But it is not yet hopeless that this forum will collectively reject, and punish, such behavior in the future.
jibbguy:
I already accepted your apology, there is no need to keep doing it, although I do appreciate your going out of your way to do so.
Your statements quoted below in bold:
"You were certainly in the wrong to suggest anything like that about the father of an opponent, and then you compounded it by deriding him publicly: Of that there really is no question or excuse.... And in virtually any other forum we could name, it would have gotten you banned, for at least a time."I did not, nor have not, suggested anything about anyone. I asked a question. Even after asking this question, I added in parentheses that "I am just asking I have no idea". How you think a question suggests anything about any one is beyond me. Most people I know ask questions in the hopes of getting information. My opponent? I have no opponents that I am aware of. Again, I have to admit to not having any idea of what you are talking about here.
"Hiding behind a cheap disclaimer like some lawyer, while still mouthing the poison, is not an "excuse" but more like an insult to our intelligence."
You forget, that "cheap disclaimer" was added later for your benefit after you explained to me that you totally misinterpreted my words. I also find it highly insulting that on a public forum, you compare me to an attorney. I can't think of anything to lower say about someone.
"nor would i ever apologize for, or be intimidated out of, sticking up for an unconcerned person who was attacked by a cyber-bully."
This was part of your opening statement
. [/]Who were you sticking up for here?
And who is the cyber-bully you refer to here?
This is funny. On a public forum you have defamed me in the process of accusing me of doing something I clearly did not do. Reminds me of a mother who hits her kid and tells him not to hit people because hitting is wrong.
If you are concerned about my statements about Sterling's terrible and misrepresented reporting of the Mylow situation, perhaps you should read them again too. Seems as though I was correct given that it appears that John Bedini may have a libel suit against him. My guess is that there will be others as well.
I hope this clarifies this situation. I have had no problems with you until you accused me of doing something I did not do, and then attacked me again, also for something I did not do. Since it appears you may have trouble reading, I typed this very slowly for you. I hope it helps.
BIll
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
@all, you are being violently misdirected towards the last (faked) project. It is so obvious it is almost ludicrous. (Yeah just as ludicrous as my CT ::) )
There is no doubt in my mind whatsover that this setup is genuine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page)
The reasons should be obvious from my other posts.
Do not be fooled & do not trust anyone, including myself, but rather replicate the above as close as you can and see for yourself.
Nuff said.
AZ
Using the recent aluminum phenomena I think that would have the most effect of it. Look how close the stator magnet is to the spinning disk and vice versa to the rotor magnets on both sides.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 04:24:53 PM
Using the recent aluminum phenomena I think that would have the most effect of it. Look how close the stator magnet is to the spinning disk and vice versa to the rotor magnets on both sides.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Thanks for playing.
8)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
For Watts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g
"Can you see it?" : no
"how about now?" : no
oh... THERE it is!
Amazing how invisible the fishing line is with a video of similar quality as Mylows.....
(and amazing how hard it is to pull the blinders off of some believers)
edit: P.S
And WHY is it when shown good evidence it's a hoax - especially when the whole sum of nonsense it taken into account - even MORE evidence of a hoax is required?
The demand is ON THE CLAIMANT to PROVE HIS CLAIMS!! :-\
See? Thread and topic isn't dead at all. It's Undead.
I forgot to demonstrate the reversal in that last video for Wattsup. So I'm uploading another one showing that the relatively loose modern not stretchy monofilament will make the wheel dance, if you have the controls.
Mylow apparently just used a battery and that big motor, so he couldn't easily reverse the rotation during a video--probably because he couldn't figure out how to wire a DPDT toggle switch to give him instant polarity reversal.
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 04:26:41 PM
Exactly what I was thinking!
Thanks for playing.
8)
Yes the aluminum might mysteriously mess up the magnetism like lumen showed and give rise to an asymmetric push/pull force.
I think it will take another 20 pages untill the momentum of the string theory lowers down and people start to notice the potentially hidden potential ;D . You're a bit ahead of class Aq, how about solving some extra difficult problems until the rest catches up.
At the risk of jumping in the middle of the Debunker Wars, I'd like to point out something I haven't seen addressed as yet, maybe those of you who are OU experts can provide some clarification (and I'm sure you will...).
Considering the difficulty replicators are having with cogging, here's what Sterling Allen had to say Sunday in his blog:
"First, he glues one bar magnet down. He runs it under the stator to get its feel (I didn't quite understand what is accomplished in this step).
Then he takes the second magnet. He holds it in place next to the first one with his thumb. He then runs them under the stator to feel how much it cogs (cog = resistance). He then moves the magnet one direction just a little bit, then he runs it by the stator again to see if the cog increases or decreases. He keeps doing this until he finds that place where the cog goes away."
OK, let's look at this again. If the differences in magnetic strength that determine rotor magnet spacing are -that- critical, wouldn't it seem to follow that as the magnets lose strength the relative differences in their fields will ultimately lead to a motor that -again- 'cogs', even -if- one is successful in 'balancing' the configuration initially?
The resultant motor would have a very limited 'shelf-life' (well, work-life) if this is the case.
This would seem to relegate even the -successful- replication of this motor to no more than a curiosity since no appreciable amount of work, for any protracted period of time, would result.
It would stop working when the rotor magnets feilds had changed enough to start 'cogging' again.
To attain any degree of dependability from this design, in a real-world sense, one would have to employ software, sensors and position adjusters to continuously maintain the correct 'balance' in spacing to inhibit cogging as the various magnets' field strength diminishes (thus changing) over time, and the magnets would not all change in strength at the same rate.
Indeed, accurate sensing may not even be possible at all given that the fields would be interacting on a 'global' device-scale when in-use, negating the ability to discriminate between any two magnets on a 'discrete' device-scale, as we are instructed to do while positioning them in static-mode.
In all, even if the motor works as advertised and -especially- if the explanations given by the developer are considered to be correct, the usefulness of this particular design-iteration would be negligible - it wouldn't survive in a continuous duty, real-world, application for any reasonable period of time.
Can anyone else here see what I'm getting at? Even if you get it to work, it's doomed to fail, no debunking required.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
Thanks, Sean, when you call me mad, I know I've accomplished something.
For Watts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g
Now, would you like me to run it upstairs and around a corner?
If I used even lighter line, would that make the tension more or less, or just the same?
I get pretty much instant reversals at speed, too, even over that distance. These new monofilaments don't stretch much at all.
Thanks TK saves me having to do it to prove a point.
If you held the disk, does the motor explode? or does the Cat Gut just slide on the smooth aluminium?
The whole point of FE/OU guys that make claims is that they really need to prove it.
If I ever do discover something that works, it will be setup in the middle of a field, suspended in the air with no possibility of faking involved, along with witness's I dragged over from the local Bus Station to back it up ;D
I really hope Mylow is for real, but he needs to look at these claims against him and debunk these claims that he is faking it, if only for his own personal pride.
But then on the other hand Mylow has Freewill and can just walk away.
It very difficult as you want to support someone that claims they have discovered the Holy Grail and you are prepared at own cost and time to back them up. But at the same time you have P*ss takers out there, that love to wind FE/OU replicators and researchers up and enjoy seeing us scurry around like Squirrels collecting nuts hehe
Still trying to stay opem minded but got to agree, the evidence is strong on this possibility of away of it being faked.
G'day all,
I know many of you think this thread is going to die right here. Somehow I think it will not.
All Mylow has to do is to show his "motor" running and show there is no fishing line, by waking around it or something of that nature, and the whole thing will be on the agenda again stronger than ever.
My guess is he will do just that. He will put on one of his periodic disappearing acts blaming the skeptics for his mental and or physical state, long enough to re-build the thing without string, and then launch a new video.
All his supporters will come out of the woodwork saying "I told you it was real" and everything will continue along its happy way.
The reason for failed replications will be that Mylow has some extraordinary talent for sensing the interaction of the magnetic fields which enables him to find those critical spots vital to the operation. This has already been suggested.
Anyone like to lay odds on my prediction?
Hans von Lieven
At least of nothing else, I found an unusual effect that I don't know what to do with but I can add it to the list of things to examine.
Thanks Mylow!
Wouldn't it be ironic if Mylows videos were real and the fake videos were fake... You just can't trust video you know.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
For Watts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g
Nice video, Sterling owes you the prize now!
RE the line, Touko might see it, but without you showing it, nobody else could.
Did you have to degrease the rotor or rough up the line or anything special like that? And was it multiple wraps around each pulley or just a plain loop round the lot?
@Sean: Yep, slips just fine. I'd recommend not using a pulley on the motor, the v-groove catches the invisible knot and causes a little sound. Rather, use a flanged drum to give the line a little sideways room as it winds around.
New video showing long-range reversing up now.
@Bill: ROTFL, you don't like lie-yers much either, I can tell.
@Hans: I think there might be other, even less savory possibilities, and I'm beginning to worry about those.
Sorry, I don't like stacked odds, he still has the support of Stirling Allan, and of course our very own esteemed moderator wattsup.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 18, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
Anyone like to lay odds on my prediction?
Hans von Lieven
Hans:
I'd guess about 1,000 to 1 in your favor that you are correct.
Bill
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 18, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
G'day all,
I know many of you think this thread is going to die right here. Somehow I think it will not.
All Mylow has to do is to show his "motor" running and show there is no fishing line, by waking around it or something of that nature, and the whole thing will be on the agenda again stronger than ever.
...
Anyone like to lay odds on my prediction?
Hans von Lieven
I predict he will have a baby roo as his new pet in his next OU design. There will be no fishy wires for his pet roo to accidentally trip over.
I think I like to go into the business of genetically altering the roo to sit on my shoulder whilst I perform my next OU/FE magic show.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Nice video, Sterling owes you the prize now!
RE the line, Touko might see it, but without you showing it, nobody else could.
Did you have to degrease the rotor or rough up the line or anything special like that? And was it multiple wraps around each pulley or just a plain loop round the lot?
Thanks, I agree about the prize for sure.
Line grips and slides just fine, no extra prep or lube needed. One complete turn, as I tried to indicate, at both ends. No pulley on the wheel, just the mount piece. Smaller pulley on the stepper==slower wheel but more torque.
Quote from: broli on May 18, 2009, 04:29:40 PM
Yes the aluminum might mysteriously mess up the magnetism like lumen showed and give rise to an asymmetric push/pull force.
I think it will take another 20 pages untill the momentum of the string theory lowers down and people start to notice the potentially hidden potential ;D . You're a bit ahead of class Aq, how about solving some extra difficult problems until the rest catches up.
Let´s roll.
;D
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 18, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
G'day all,
I know many of you think this thread is going to die right here. Somehow I think it will not.
Got to agree.
Will it beat the Archer Quinn one though? ;D
And since things are moving so fast, a repost of the link to the long-distance reversing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs
Quote from: ATT on May 18, 2009, 04:31:29 PM
Can anyone else here see what I'm getting at? Even if you get it to work, it's doomed to fail, no debunking required.
But if you get it to work everyone who said it's impossible is wrong. ;)
I think the only thing that was missing from Mylows set up was flashing LED Lights.
Quote from: lumen on May 18, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
At least of nothing else, I found an unusual effect that I don't know what to do with but I can add it to the list of things to examine.
Thanks Mylow!
Wouldn't it be ironic if Mylows videos were real and the fake videos were fake... You just can't trust video you know.
I was thinking of this effect alot this morning Lumen.
If it can be used to decrease the strength of one pole so we loose the balance, with the help of gravity, then it could be of use.
Will save it for another thread, or this one will go way offline LOL
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: Mr. M on May 18, 2009, 04:51:20 PM
But if you get it to work everyone who said it's impossible is wrong. ;)
And if invisible pink unicorns ever learn to fly, everyone who said that's impossible is wrong, too.
;)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 18, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
Got to agree.
Will it beat the Archer Quinn one though? ;D
ClaNZeR, if you are for real like I am you would be looking into the original setup.
Especially because you have the means to do so.
Like broli said: I will wait with further comments until the fish crew calm down.
Yes, the last project was a clear fake, that is the whole point of the misdirection op....
Now I know that IQ levels in here must exceed those of fish.
I hope that the real thinkers will surface in the end. Ridicule me, please.
I am not Mylow.
I am also curious about that video, been looking at it for some time now, it's 25 seconds in that has me curious, what is that on the left side just before Mylow suddenly zooms in hard on the magnet?
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 03:51:42 PM
@CLaNZeR
Good post.
But you see here is the dilema. The string has to be tight enough to start and increase but loose enough to de-clutch all while the string is invisible enough to not be seen, and actionable from some 6-10 feet away by a motor shaft that is 2 inches long and held in place by a pillow. This sounds like a Steven Spielberg thriller called The Magic String Theory.
You lack simple mechanical apptitude. Learn some science.
Then is the dilemma when Mylows assembles and starts the wheel while having that motor on turning a string that is not attached or de-clutched, hence no string tension on the motor shaft side, then placing in on the wheel base to show it turns. MMMMMM. Nahhhhhh.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 04:50:42 PM
And since things are moving so fast, a repost of the link to the long-distance reversing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs
Good stuff.
I think you should thank Mylow actually mate, because if it was not for him, you would not be having so much fun doing this Sh*t.
That's why I love every new claim, an excuse to play :)
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 18, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
I was thinking of this effect alot this morning Lumen.
If it can be used to decrease the strength of one pole so we loose the balance, with the help of gravity, then it could be of use.
Will save it for another thread, or this one will go way offline LOL
Cheers
Sean.
There you go.
I did not read the recent posts they move so fast so I'll read them after this post.
@TK
Don't move anything. I did not see your foot go over the strings. lol
No seriously can you blame me for asking since you have everything there already so here is my last request. Do the same thing but remove the pulley from the motor and make it turn just with the shaft and at one moment, if the wheel turns and holds the string straight enough, stop the wheel. You can secure the motor with something but don't.
Yes I know I am a pain in the ass but here is the deal. This has to be shown as in Mylows videos. I would ask you to then consider doing all this, then removing the string from the wheel base, placing it on the table expecting it to stay in place.
Man, don't you get it yet. There is not only a wheel turning, there is a whole series of wheel manipulations that he did while having all this around him to be accessible. I just want to see if you leave that string off the wheel, what happens to it on the shaft side. Does the looseness make the string unwind off the shaft. Did we see Mylow going to the sofa to do anything. No.
Incredible theories require incredible proof. If you and I were in forensics (Hmm maybe a new business), we would not expect any less from lab trials.
But you got me so far on the running theory being feasible at this stage. There are still point that I brought up that have not been addressed yet and these would have to be addressed. Running with a string proves it is possible but it does not prove it did. Man am I getting tired of this or what.
@TK
You crack me up! So much so that I had to register here just to reply.
I would say you're a shoe-in for the prize now. Also you cost me half a day reading up on superconductors at the weekend, keep up the vids they're much more entertaining and informative than most of the dross that appears.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
I am also curious about that video, been looking at it for some time now, it's 25 seconds in that has me curious, what is that on the left side just before Mylow suddenly zooms in hard on the magnet?
There is a stereo, a sheet of paper with a tube of crazy glue sitting in top of it.
Can you indicate what you think you are seeing?
Quote from: waynegage on May 18, 2009, 04:57:32 PM
Usually some people explain why they quote a post, or at least say something about it. Are you implying that, because I did not assemble the device live in the video, that I could not do it?
Haven't we been here before? Of course I can do it. But it's a lot of trouble FOR NOTHING.
Yes they do, so lets see the incredible proof from Mylow.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 05:01:45 PM
Incredible theories require incredible proof.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 04:50:42 PM
And since things are moving so fast, a repost of the link to the long-distance reversing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs
I´m suprised at just how quickly that heavy rotor responds.
I´ve never used any of this expensive modern low stretch monofilament while fishing, just cheapo stretchy stuff. It´s crazy how the non tensioned side doesn´t sag over that long distance!
Mylows belt seems to slip alot more, hence the slow smooth acceleration. We can assume by watching his single handed manipulation of the line as he hooks it over the rotor axle, that he only has a 180deg contact surface as opposed to your 540deg.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 04:56:40 PM
ClaNZeR, if you are for real like I am you would be looking into the original setup.
Hi AZ
I spent hours with the original setup, I really did mate.
It may seem that I do alot of videos but they are only a small percentage of what I try. You end up spending say 10 minutes doing an experiment and 30-45 minutes of time, filming, editing, uploading. It eats up the day very quickly as others will tell.
I did alot of tests on the orginal StoneHenge model and did lots of spacing, took me weeks to get all the super glue off my fingers ;D
I decided yesterday after 2 days solid of playing with the bar blocks (before the Fish Line videos were released, as shown on this thread) that I was pretty well spent out on it.
I have other projects on the go that I want to get on with, but will keep the disk to one side, just incase it kicks off again.
Also I like to think if anyone is Real, then I am. I try to stay open minded, try not to judge and try to show things how they are.
The Mylow replication is not the first replication I have ever attempted, think a few in here will back that up.
Cheers
Sean.
Ahh, it's crazy glue, that's all I wanted to know, thanks for the info, don't have here in the UK.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 05:04:01 PM
There is a stereo, a sheet of paper with a tube of crazy glue sitting in top of it.
Can you indicate what you think you are seeing?
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 05:01:45 PM
I did not read the recent posts they move so fast so I'll read them after this post.
@TK
Don't move anything. I did not see your foot go over the strings. lol
No seriously can you blame me for asking since you have everything there already so here is my last request. Do the same thing but remove the pulley from the motor and make it turn just with the shaft and at one moment, if the wheel turns and holds the string straight enough, stop the wheel. You can secure the motor with something but don't.
Yes I know I am a pain in the ass but here is the deal. This has to be shown as in Mylows videos. I would ask you to then consider doing all this, then removing the string from the wheel base, placing it on the table expecting it to stay in place.
Man, don't you get it yet. There is not only a wheel turning, there is a whole series of wheel manipulations that he did while having all this around him to be accessible. I just want to see if you leave that string off the wheel, what happens to it on the shaft side. Does the looseness make the string unwind off the shaft. Did we see Mylow going to the sofa to do anything. No.
Incredible theories require incredible proof. If you and I were in forensics (Hmm maybe a new business), we would not expect any less from lab trials.
But you got me so far on the running theory being feasible at this stage. There are still point that I brought up that have not been addressed yet and these would have to be addressed. Running with a string proves it is possible but it does not prove it did. Man am I getting tired of this or what.
Watts:
Unless I am missing something....didn't we decide it was possible/probable that Mylow had a remote switch for the drive motor? if so, he would shut off the motor before removing the line otherwise, as I am thinking you are saying, it might have got wrapped up on the motor shaft. Also, if he used that motor he showed us (it would be ironic no?) that had plenty of mass to remain on the couch, or wherever in my opinion. It looked like it could weigh 10 pounds or so.
Bill
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 05:01:45 PM
I did not read the recent posts they move so fast so I'll read them after this post.
@TK
Don't move anything. I did not see your foot go over the strings. lol
No seriously can you blame me for asking since you have everything there already so here is my last request. Do the same thing but remove the pulley from the motor and make it turn just with the shaft and at one moment, if the wheel turns and holds the string straight enough, stop the wheel. You can secure the motor with something but don't.
Yes I know I am a pain in the ass but here is the deal. This has to be shown as in Mylows videos. I would ask you to then consider doing all this, then removing the string from the wheel base, placing it on the table expecting it to stay in place.
Man, don't you get it yet. There is not only a wheel turning, there is a whole series of wheel manipulations that he did while having all this around him to be accessible. I just want to see if you leave that string off the wheel, what happens to it on the shaft side. Does the looseness make the string unwind off the shaft. Did we see Mylow going to the sofa to do anything. No.
Incredible theories require incredible proof. If you and I were in forensics (Hmm maybe a new business), we would not expect any less from lab trials.
But you got me so far on the running theory being feasible at this stage. There are still point that I brought up that have not been addressed yet and these would have to be addressed. Running with a string proves it is possible but it does not prove it did. Man am I getting tired of this or what.
With the timing capacitors I currently (pun!) have installed in the stepper driver, the wheel will be turning slowly if I don't use the pulley. But I assure you I can do as you request. Do I have to? I mean, I'm not even getting a free lunch out of this. And I AM hungry.
(And didn't I show, in the first video with the black thread, just what you are asking for here? I just used the motor shaft in that one, didn't I?)
"Incredible theories require incredible proof. If you and I were in forensics (Hmm maybe a new business), we would not expect any less from lab trials."
So why do we expect so much less from Mylow, before we go off and spend a bunch of money on parts?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 05:11:11 PM
So why do we expect so much less from Mylow, before we go off and spend a bunch of money on parts?
Well, Sterling had posted that as one of the requirements for winning the replication prize that the replicator's device be inspected by a third party. Something that he never required for Mylow's despite many who called for it and which would have put this whole saga to rest very quickly. So yes, much less is expected from Mylow apparently.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 05:07:40 PM
Ahh, it's crazy glue, that's all I wanted to know, thanks for the info, don't have here in the UK.
I thought you maybe referring to the holes in each side of the stator mounts. Possible fish line access? Can't tell if there is a hole in that aluminum plate on the one stator side. Anyone see?
Joe
Double post. Server choked on a fish bone perhaps.
As far as I am aware, there is no high resolution video for that one, it would be impossible to pick out anything positive or negative.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 18, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
I thought you maybe referring to the holes in each side of the stator mounts. Possible fish line access? Can't tell if there is a hole in that aluminum plate on the one stator side. Anyone see?
Joe
NEWS:
Mylow in hospital due to polonium-210 poisoning by the MIB.
Mylow intentionally misled us as instructed by the MIB while he slowly dies of radiation poisoning. The original "stonehenge" videos are not fakes.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
And if invisible pink unicorns ever learn to fly, everyone who said that's impossible is wrong, too.
;)
Don't get me started on religion, please. ;)
Who's to say that he didn't use multiple methods of fakery?
If it were me then the first thing I'd do is to think of all the ways I could be accused of faking it and then have various drive methods so that when asked to stick it in a perspex box I could just swap in the motor driven bearing for example.
Quote from: pillager on May 18, 2009, 05:26:53 PM
NEWS:
Mylow in hospital due to polonium-210 poisoning by the MIB.
Mylow intentionally misled us as instructed by the MIB while he slowly dies of radiation poisoning. The original "stonehenge" videos are not fakes.
Polonium-210? Is that a fish oil extract? LOL
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on May 18, 2009, 05:29:20 PM
Polonium-210? Is that a fish oil extract? LOL
cheers
chrisC
Actually it's not. " Alexander Litvinenko " ring any bells ?
( Just in case ... Yes, I realise that was a joke )
Chicago. Hospitals.
I wonder how many there are with a radiological isolation room?
I wonder if there are any posters here who live in Chicago. (Actually, I know there are.)
I wonder about a lot of things. Is it OK to bring flowers when I visit?
Stuff like that.
You don't need an isolation ward for pollonium poisoning. You can hold the stuff in your hand and nothing will happen. The radiation cannot penetrate the skin. It is only deadly if ingested or introduced into the bloodstream.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 02:38:41 PM
One question goes to the post made my LightRider here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179857#msg179857
Question 1: If those are strings you are showing drawn into the image, please explain how they are to reach the base of the wheel at the angle they are at?
First Wattsup read carefully what I write... let me quote my-self:
Quote from: LightRider on May 18, 2009, 10:49:40 AM
We even see that there is a slight change of position of the parallel lines between the beginning and the middle of the video ... M2U00171
LightRider
The facts is... "parallel lines"... I did not use the word "strings".
These two parallel lines may be fishing line, video aberration due to compression, poor vision, wrinkles of the carpet ... etc..
I see two parallel lines which appear to be moving in time in video M2U00171.
This is it.
LightRider
"please explain how they are to reach the base of the wheel at the angle they are at?"
With a little time I will try to confirm or disprove your hypothesis...
Quote from: pillager on May 18, 2009, 05:26:53 PM
NEWS:
Mylow in hospital due to polonium-210 poisoning by the MIB.
Mylow intentionally misled us as instructed by the MIB while he slowly dies of radiation poisoning. The original "stonehenge" videos are not fakes.
What is your source, Chris?
Quote from: robbie47 on May 18, 2009, 05:46:40 PM
What is your source, Chris?
No that was not from me. It was pillager's post earlier.
I think he was just amusing us. Whatever MyLow did it's not something anyone here wants to see him hurt. You can call him a prankster or a (twin) clown but we need to move on!
cheers
chrisC
Can someone get this thread introduced into "The Young and The Restless" ? As a story line it pisses all over Brook's bedroom. ;)
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 18, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
You don't need an isolation ward for pollonium poisoning. You can hold the stuff in your hand and nothing will happen. The radiation cannot penetrate the skin. It is only deadly if ingested or introduced into the bloodstream.
Hans von Lieven
Ah, thanks, I know you are right. SO they just put Litvenenko in the open wards?
And in anticipation of complaints that the last, slow speed wheel doesn't put enough stress on the line, or that steppers are too complex for Chicago use (they do have a flmp-load of wires coming out of them...) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofkXAtAhqO8
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
Ah, thanks, I know you are right. SO they just put Litvenenko in the open wards?
Probably not because of the political implications, they could have done so though. There is no medical reason that mitigates against it.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 18, 2009, 06:21:58 PM
Probably not because of the political implications, they could have done so though. There is no medical reason that mitigates against it.
Hans von Lieven
So then it should be easy to find Mylow in the hospital then. Just select a likely hospital, go up to the wards during visiting hours, and look for the MiBs. Everybody else will be wearing whites or greens.
This story get sad by the minute. Here is a post from John over on Sterlings commercial site.
What interests me the most is that Mylow never contacted John or accepted his offers to see Howards stuff in person.
@ wattsup...do you condone this behaviour?
"Sterling, Mylow,
These are problems I did not create as I did not write it.
You and Mylow never bothered to call me or ask me anything about Howard Johnson as you knew that we worked with him, cause we told you.
You and Mylow need to put the retraction on the news wire NOW, so bit your tongue and just get it done, you have damaged this company by doing this. I have not told Tom Bearden as He is the one that is sick. Mylow had a chance to prove himself as it was a test and he did not pass. This is not a Mystical thing. Howard never believed that way at any time, you have just killed his wife's check, do you understand?
His wife will starve to death over this. This not the way science is done, it's not touchy feely with some mystical thing. You Sterling have driven yourself crazy over Mylow and it has effected your judgment. If you have a problem with me then just call me and say it, but don't just make up crap. I gave you and Mylow a chance in front of everybody. You either want to know the truth or not.
John Bedini
Quote from: pillager on May 18, 2009, 05:26:53 PM
NEWS:
Mylow in hospital due to polonium-210 poisoning by the MIB.
Mylow intentionally misled us as instructed by the MIB while he slowly dies of radiation poisoning. The original "stonehenge" videos are not fakes.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree with the last sentence, and no, there is no longer need for MiB thanks.
Who is going to believe Mylow now?
OTOH, if I were project leader of this PsyOP I would kill Mylow without a doubt but would hold off until everything settled down and simply make it look like cardiac arrest or something.
Easy enough.
CORRECTION: His sister and brother need to go too ofcourse, so the usual: a horrible car accident or a plane crash.
This has the making of a Blockbuster Movie.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 05:23:58 PM
As far as I am aware, there is no high resolution video for that one, it would be impossible to pick out anything positive or negative.
Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
No bloody wires.
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 06:34:42 PM
This story get sad by the minute. Here is a post from John over on Sterlings commercial site.
What interests me the most is that Mylow never contacted John or accepted his offers to see Howards stuff in person.
@ wattsup...do you condone this behaviour?
"Sterling, Mylow,
These are problems I did not create as I did not write it.
You and Mylow never bothered to call me or ask me anything about Howard Johnson as you knew that we worked with him, cause we told you.
You and Mylow need to put the retraction on the news wire NOW, so bit your tongue and just get it done, you have damaged this company by doing this. I have not told Tom Bearden as He is the one that is sick. Mylow had a chance to prove himself as it was a test and he did not pass. This is not a Mystical thing. Howard never believed that way at any time, you have just killed his wife's check, do you understand?
His wife will starve to death over this. This not the way science is done, it's not touchy feely with some mystical thing. You Sterling have driven yourself crazy over Mylow and it has effected your judgment. If you have a problem with me then just call me and say it, but don't just make up crap. I gave you and Mylow a chance in front of everybody. You either want to know the truth or not.
John Bedini
Where's the link to this, please?
Thanks
chrisC
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 06:40:39 PM
Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
No bloody wires.
Just bloody hands.
And you are starting to scare me, there, AquariuZ. I'm not really sure you really should be threatening people's lives right out here in public.
"you have just killed his wife's check, do you understand? "
Bingo. Now I do understand.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 06:43:50 PM
Just bloody hands.
And you are starting to scare me, there, AquariuZ. I'm not really sure you really should be threatening people's lives right out here in public.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
If I were project leader of this PsyOp, TK.
IF.
Still waiting for that acceleration analysis. Would prove a lot of things.
Mr HAND cannot invisibly sustain momentum, so again: do an analysis of that video while he is away from the wheel and you will know if he accelerated it by hand or not.
I predict that the analysis of the earlier videos will scare you more than my remarks.
Nice to see so much opposition.
Good.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 06:43:50 PM
Just bloody hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Yes, this is the video I pointed out (on April 13th or so) that at 9:13 to 9:14 you can see his hand come away from the center as if he gave the shaft one more twisting turn.
Joe
I think Mylow is ill, this is not an insult, but I think he has something similar to Munchhausen's, with that in mind he can be forgiven, but those who continue to support his claim with the strong evidence against it cannot be forgiven, Sterling for instance though misguided was seen by many skeptics as a sincere man, now he has crossed the line.
What does this mean? How does this effect a check? who is paying it?
Quote from: deseret on May 18, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
What does this mean? How does this effect a check? who is paying it?
deseret, newbie, whose name indicates perhaps a Utah or Mormon connection, I will explain it to you.
The Johnson widow still has some money, and Sterling and Bedini and perhaps some others are trying to take it from her. Bedini has seen the light and is trying to distance himself from Sterling, and is going to prevent Mrs. Johnson from cutting a check to Sterling (and/or Mylow). Needless to say, since Bedini too would have profitted, he is upset.
That's all just my opinion, you understand.
And that's "affect" not "effect".
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
If I were project leader of this PsyOp, TK.
IF.
Still waiting for that acceleration analysis. Would prove a lot of things.
Mr HAND cannot invisibly sustain momentum, so again: do an analysis of that video while he is away from the wheel and you will know if he accelerated it by hand or not.
I predict that the analysis of the earlier videos will scare you more than my remarks.
Nice to see so much opposition.
Good.
So now you are threatening ME?
At the same time you are demanding that I do what you should have done a month ago?
Wait a minute, where's my job description...there it is, and here's what it says:
That's right, I do not work for you, so do your own damn acceleration analysis if you can, and stop threatening people with violence. That kind of thing has a way of backfiring.
Mylow has been proven to be a fraud. None of his motors work. You're grasping at straws and failing to come to grips with them.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
So now you are threatening ME?
At the same time you are demanding that I do what you should have done a month ago?
Wait a minute, where's my job description...there it is, and here's what it says:
That's right, I do not work for you, so do your own damn acceleration analysis if you can, and stop threatening people with violence. That kind of thing has a way of backfiring.
Mylow has been proven to be a fraud. None of his motors work. You're grasping at straws and failing to come to grips with them.
Nice try.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
Nice try.
There is no try. There is only DO, and NOT DO. (Yoda)
And you, sir, are NOT DOING.
Can I interest anyone in a pair of zircon encrusted tweezers? :o
@TK
You are right on both accounts Mormon and from Utah. Your deductive logic is keen and accurate and it amazes me how spot on you are.
You might want to offer them to AquariuZ, he seems to have something in his eyes.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
Can I interest anyone in a pair of zircon encrusted tweezers? :o
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 07:09:18 PM
You might want to offer them to AquariuZ, he seems to have something in his eyes.
Is it rose colored
Quote from: deseret on May 18, 2009, 07:08:55 PM
@TK
You are right on both accounts Mormon and from Utah. Your deductive logic is keen and accurate and it amazes me how spot on you are.
I had a good education. It's not my fault, I swear....
Was it deductive, or inductive? I always get those two mixed up. Induction is reasoning from the particular to the general case, and deduction is reasoning from the general case to the particular. If you have gnarly hands you are a mechanic--induction, not deduction, in spite of Holmes. If you are a mechanic you will have gnarly hands--that's deduction and is more reliable as you can imagine. Holmes was lucky. Or Doyle wrote him lucky, or something. As I was with my double guess.
At least you didn't pick "Moroni".
(sorry I couldn't resist.)
These are photographs of Johnson's house and "laboratory" taken ca 2005.
Not a backyard operation by any means. It is evident no-one is starving. Johnson did very very well with his magnet "motors". The woman in the picture is Howard's wife Gladys.
Hans von Lieven
@ Chris,
the post was at this forum
I just recieve the posts as emails
mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
@TK
I am not sure if I agree with your interpretation of the letter John sent. Have another read.
mark
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 07:23:40 PM
@ Chris,
the post was at this forum
I just recieve the posts as emails
mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com
@TK
I am not sure if I agree with your interpretation of the letter John sent. Have another read.
mark
I read it again and you are right. It sounds like someone was going to Give her a check instead of take one from her. Now because of Sterling she will starve.
I don't know how to interpret that. Perhaps someone else can take a shot at it.
Thanks for pointing it out.
(She sure wasn't starving in 2005. But then neither was I.)
The Mylow Effect:
1) Position two asymmetrically spaced U-magnet stators over two asymmetrically spaced bar magnets.
2) Observe the resulting pendulum cog.
3) Asymmetry may or may not be relevant to the effect.
Anything else to be learned from this?
@TK
OK I caught up to the end posts finally. Man, what is this a post marathon. Anyways sorry to see you were hungry. had to take an hour and do the bar-b-que thing. MMMMM. Good.
OK, for the string theory being plausible, your last post has nailed it. Thanks for that. Like I said, I am a moderator and will always check that the language here is respectful regardless of fake or not so people are stillon notice but not that bad so far.
@TK maybe you can send a copy of your video to Trilene and ask them to be your sponsor. lol
In my new opinion, there is a 70% chance that the - video in question - was produce under false methods. Can we all go home now. I have a TPU that is beginning to get really jealous. Now seriously, yes, Mylow could have used a motor and string but someone already pointed out that this may not be true in the other videos.
This does not cancel my personal plans to continue my test when I get my wheel in only two days. Cost me 300$ just for the machining labor. Can't wait. So my recommendation to builders or potential builders, if you are like me and do not really worry about the cost of replication then go right ahead and do as you like. It's a free world, well in most parts, well in most districts, ok, well in most bathrooms. But if you are tight on cash and will be going through some major sacrifices to make this thing, then please do not attempt this build. It is now in my opinion that the chances of success are 20% maximum.
Again, for me I do not care because I have always wanted to have a good rotational platform to do so many other device configs (that's also why I had a 1/2"er made as well) so this just pushed other projects ahead of the pack. But please do not spend any money on this until we can access this situation more clearly.
More clearly means, unless Mylow can come back with a video that dispels the String Theory any further advancement or investment of money should be ceased as for me this would be the responsible thing to do. For those who already have a wheel, welcome to the club but if you are like me, you will be able to learn alot more with the wheel then without about magnets and much more.
So Mylow, the ball is in your court again. If I go back to my coach analogy (which some had fun with - grrrrr ) I would say my star player has found a way to lick the ball without licking it, so I will have to bench you for a while until you can show me you can really throw without the extra juice.
Until then, I suggest this thread simmer down cause we are clogging up all the recent post section.
@markdansie
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 06:34:42 PM
This story get sad by the minute. Here is a post from John over on Sterlings commercial site.
What interests me the most is that Mylow never contacted John or accepted his offers to see Howards stuff in person.
@ wattsup...do you condone this behaviour?
"Sterling, Mylow,
These are problems I did not create as I did not write it.
You and Mylow never bothered to call me or ask me anything about Howard Johnson as you knew that we worked with him, cause we told you.
You and Mylow need to put the retraction on the news wire NOW, so bit your tongue and just get it done, you have damaged this company by doing this. I have not told Tom Bearden as He is the one that is sick. Mylow had a chance to prove himself as it was a test and he did not pass. This is not a Mystical thing. Howard never believed that way at any time, you have just killed his wife's check, do you understand?
His wife will starve to death over this. This not the way science is done, it's not touchy feely with some mystical thing. You Sterling have driven yourself crazy over Mylow and it has effected your judgment. If you have a problem with me then just call me and say it, but don't just make up crap. I gave you and Mylow a chance in front of everybody. You either want to know the truth or not.
John Bedini
To tell the truth I don't know what this means at all. Look, I am a veteran here for overunity.com and have nothing or no relations to Sterling or others mentioned in this letter. So I know F all, I do not know the background so would be pretty foul hardy of me to comment.
Sorry also but I cannot blame Sterling for his continued enthusiasm because I would have or many here would have probably done the same things. His web site he made for Mylow takes so much work and time and his devotion to the OU cause is more then commendable. Selling plans, so what. These are plans to Mylows build and there is more then enough documentation of the actual status of the build to give all purchasers of these plans the proper buyer-be aware. Besides, for many of the buyers of these plans it's the buyers way to help out the Sterling web site. Like when you buy chocolate for a good cause. There is nothing wrong with that.
Guys falling on his head for what. For doing what he does in the OU venue. Give me a break. Sterling has his heart on OU and wants to see it open to the masses just like any other Ouer here so guys dishing all this on him are simply looking for a scapegoat. Sterling is a man of action and I must say he tried and tried his hardest to see this thing through, even going to Chicago, but no one has 100% control over another. Out of all the guys that have been in and out of the OU venue Sterling has shown continued devotion, so I don't care if it is Mr. Bedini or anyone else, you have no right to fall on him this way. Get a grip man.
So this now Mylows dilemma. Not mine or not others. If he can dispel the string theory, fine. If not, I will still work on this because that's what I do. But new guys should not spend any more money on this until things are cleared up.
End of story.
I suggest we all stop posting for a little while. Think this over. Let the forum here go back to its original programming.
@TK
I eat crow, no problem for me. You did what you said you would do with thanks.
nice post wattsup,
your logical mind seems to overcome the emotion. Keep it up.....before long we will be calling you spock
Mark
Watts, my respect for you has shot up a thousand percent. (That is possible by the way, it means that I respect you ten times more now.) At least.
BBQ!! Thaat's right, rub it in. It's a major national holiday where I am, the restaurants are all closed, buses on short schedule...beer stores closed...nothing in the fridge...pizza?...no phone....grr. At least I remembered to pick up the booze yesterday. So that's covered.
I agree with "build if you like, spend what you can, and keep experimenting" if that's what floats your particular boat (like it does for me, CLaNZeR and a few others). But please don't mislead yourselves. I truly do not know, obviously, whether what we consider "free energy" can be attained. I do know that if you don't bet you can't play, so I am anything but anti-research. But I am very pro-science, and I truly do know the basics of the scientific method and experimental design. I maintain, as I have said before, that if there is to be a true science of overunity, whatever it may look like, it will have to respect the Scientific Method and its correct application. The SM is the very best way we have come up with for understanding and engineering the reality around us, and it's actually a fairly new development in the timeline of the species. It's not surprising from an evolutionary viewpoint that some of the SM is counterintuitive or difficult to comprehend. We survived as a species because we have cognitive heuristics, that is, shortcuts that work most of the time to keep us alive. This technology and physics bs really does require a new and evolutionary difficult way of thinking. I was lucky to have excellent teachers, so I was able to glimpse a bit of how to think in this "new" way. But I digest, er, I mean I digress.
What I"m trying to say is experiment yes, observe closely and realize you have cognitive biases that will color your observations. What you choose to do about those biases is up to you. Whatever, if you are doing science, and I hope you will be, you need to observe, theorize, hypothesize, experiment, observe, repeat, lather and rinse. And the experiment part includes : Objectification--Don't let Mr. Hand do too much work. Quantification: write stuff down. Do the numbers. Define the non-numerical terms you are using precisely (and don't try to re-write physics here, either...know your units.) Operationalize your constructs. There's a whole lot packed into that little three-word phrase.
And do not neglect the "control experiments." In Mylow's case the control condition would have been easy: Just take off the stator and see how well or poorly the wheel runs. In other designs it may not be so easy to find an appropriate control condition--but it must be done, or you can't know, really, if you are making progress.
If you are starting from scratch like me, you need to know the rundown of your blank disk and be able to repeat it at will, within a couple of percent accuracy at least. Then when you add a bunch of magnets you need to compare with an equally-weighted disk with no magnets (or keepers on). Ditto on the repeatable part. Move the magnets systematically and see if you get a systematic change in behaviour. If you do you can use that info to "tune" your search.
But if you have no comparison data and you are using Mr Hand...you are just, shall we say, going to go blind doing that so much. Or grow hair on your palm, or something.
And for goodness sakes please PLEASE don't announce that you have a self-runner, until you DO. I mean really in reality, not a simulation, and really runs, not runs for 15 minutes, or whatever. Now folks have more of an appreciation for how long a good flywheel takes to run down, I think...that huge thing in HJ's picture, if it had good bearings and balance, could probably easily go an hour on a good spin. Just on inertia. Take out the magnets and replace them with equal chunks of lead...did anybody do this? Why not?
See what I mean?
I'm not against the search or the belief. I just want you to do it right.
Sometimes Ockham's razor is misapplied, but in this case ANY physical explanation for the motor running is to be preferred over the "magnet interaction" hypothesis, because that one is SOOO contrary to what we (are pretty sure we) know about reality. So I think the correct attitude for Sterling, especially, would have been to hold off on buying into Mylow, assume it had to be fake, wait for outside validation before doing ANYTHING else. Like especially selling plans and high-res vids.
Probably redundant, but if no one's actually looked:
You don't need the high res download from Sterling's site.
Fishing line is clearly visible @ 8:19 (HQ mode)
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
Probably redundant, but if no one's actually looked:
You don't need the high res download from Sterling's site.
Fishing line is clearly visible @ 8:19 (HQ mode)
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
I can't see it. I do see the tripod leg...? Could you say where to look?
But the stopping sequence is still very telling, to me. Look how he stops it, and compare to my last video. Sure looks like it's still powered to me.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 08:50:29 PM
I can't see it. I do see the tripod leg...? Could you say where to look?
But the stopping sequence is still very telling, to me. Look how he stops it, and compare to my last video. Sure looks like it's still powered to me.
The light hits it while it's passing over the brown mat. It's brief and it's the width of the pedestal base. Just look at the section he used in the debunk video.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 18, 2009, 08:54:35 PM
The light hits it while it's passing over the brown mat. It's brief and it's the width of the pedestal base. Just look at the section he used in the debunk video.
Yep. Saw it, it's hard to catch but it's clearly there. Thanks.
To Sterling's credit he has posted several of the debunking vids on the Mylow peswiki page, including one of mine (but not the one I'd hoped for.)
Still no response as to when I get to claim the Sterling Prize.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
Yep. Saw it, it's hard to catch but it's clearly there. Thanks.
To Sterling's credit he has posted several of the debunking vids on the Mylow peswiki page, including one of mine (but not the one I'd hoped for.)
Still no response as to when I get to claim the Sterling Prize.
I think you can post any video you want on that site. Just click the edit button. Or is it locked?
Joe
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
Yep. Saw it, it's hard to catch but it's clearly there. Thanks.
To Sterling's credit he has posted several of the debunking vids on the Mylow peswiki page, including one of mine (but not the one I'd hoped for.)
Still no response as to when I get to claim the Sterling Prize.
Good 'ol Sterling. I'm sure your check is in the mail.
Quote from: wattsup on May 18, 2009, 07:55:53 PM
[snip...] unless Mylow can come back with a video that dispels the String Theory [..snip..]
So Mylow, the ball is in your court again. [snip...]
Wattsup, glad to see you mostly on the other side of the fence :) I still wish that this would have been real, but that won't make it happen.
I have a thought. Since people can clearly see the wires in the high-res videos, don't we then already know if Mylow comes out with a new video, there will be no wires in it?
I guess I don't really understand how he can dispel the string theory?
We aren't going to go through the same thing again are we, until we find out the next NEW IMPROVED video is just another trick?
If the "fishing" wires are real, and they made this motor a fake, how can there be another chance?
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Joe
@All
Just a few data of the acceleration of the "old" vs. the "new" engine ...
it is clear that the chaotic acceleration of the first version is replaced by a smooth acceleration in the new version ...
A reminder: Mylow Video M2U00173 (AnalysisInRPM200905132234b)
Where there is a yellow line, Mylow and his brother are literally changing the position of the stator ...
Do you see the change in the acceleration of the engine ? ...think about it...
LightRider
EDIT:
1 graph ->old
2 graph ->new
3 graph ->new last one (with the yellow line)
Quote from: LightRider on May 18, 2009, 09:43:26 PM
@All
Just a few data of the acceleration of the "old" vs. the "new" engine ...
it is clear that the chaotic acceleration of the first version is replaced by an smooth acceleration in the new version ...
LightRider
Good job. Hand control vs. motor control.
Joe
So they are adjusting the stator, nothing happens but a slight decrease in acceleration, then 25-28 seconds AFTER the stator has been adjusted the signal breaks up, but until then an actual Decrease in acceleration is noted. Moved the stator the wrong way, I guess.
The first graph is clearly due to Mr. Hand.
Pass me those coffin nails, it looks like 2 more get pounded in.
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 18, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Wattsup, glad to see you mostly on the other side of the fence :) I still wish that this would have been real, but that won't make it happen.
I have a thought. Since people can clearly see the wires in the high-res videos, don't we then already know if Mylow comes out with a new video, there will be no wires in it?
I guess I don't really understand how he can dispel the string theory?
We aren't going to go through the same thing again are we, until we find out the next NEW IMPROVED video is just another trick?
If the "fishing" wires are real, and they made this motor a fake, how can there be another chance?
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Joe
Don't forget, I also covered another possible means in a video. Some people complained that my stub axle was too big...but I showed a comparison photo that shows that it is almost exactly the same size as his, with plenty of room for motor and battery, which I also showed.
And I have 2 more invisible means as well.
So I'm already way ahead.
But yes, since he is known to have faked several of the vids, nothing he produces, or produced before, should be trusted. Look at what happens when a conventional scientist is found to have faked data in just a single experiment. ALL that person's work, past present and future, is put through a fine-toothed comb and nobody trusts ANY of it. As is proper.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 09:50:07 PM
So they are adjusting the stator, nothing happens but a slight decrease in acceleration, then 25-28 seconds AFTER the stator has been adjusted the signal breaks up, but until then an actual Decrease in acceleration is noted. Moved the stator the wrong way, I guess.
The first graph is clearly due to Mr. Hand.
Pass me those coffin nails, it looks like 2 more get pounded in.
Taking into account a certain margin of error,...
the stator movement seems to have
no effect on the normal acceleration curve.
the "slight decrease in acceleration" is normal...
...acceleration curve of an engine becomes horizontal when it has reached a constant speed ...
LightRider
Quote from: LightRider on May 18, 2009, 10:01:46 PM
Taking into account a certain margin of error,...
the stator movement seems to have no effect on the normal acceleration curve.
the "slight decrease in acceleration" is normal...
...acceleration curve of an engine becomes horizontal when it has reached a constant speed ...
LightRider
Well, I was gonna say that those magnets are weak and might not be doing much, but my pet theory is that there should be some relationship between stator position and acceleration; it retards it more or less much depending on whether it sees a lot of the rotor field or not. So of course I emphasize my viewpoint--that's that cognitive bias operating. But I will accept your interpretation that the effect I noted is below the noise threshold. Either way, it looks bad for the Sox. And the Cubs too.
This is all I'm putting up.
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
At 2 minutes and 53 seconds, no string evident to me, but his hand is clearly manipulating something.
@wattsup
While I cannot bring myself to be as enthusiastic as TK, I can appreciate what you have done, so a thumbs up from this quarter.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 18, 2009, 10:09:41 PM
This is all I'm putting up.
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE
At 2 minutes and 53 seconds, no string evident to me, but his hand is clearly manipulating something.
Or, maybe he is just twitching his fingers. The high-res wire/lines are the real deal it seems :)
Thanks,
Joe
sorry everyone we have been busted
Post on Mylow yahoo group
"Due to the almost professional quality of the "proof"
video's presentation, I smell a strong whiff of PhotoShop
video remastering in the air. Get this, I can't prove it,
but also THEY can't disprove it......"
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
sorry everyone we have been busted
Post on Mylow yahoo group
"Due to the almost professional quality of the "proof"
video's presentation, I smell a strong whiff of PhotoShop
video remastering in the air. Get this, I can't prove it,
but also THEY can't disprove it......"
And of course that makes no sense at all, since we are talking about the ORIGINAL videos :D
I don't need to spend $15 to download them do I? There must be plenty of copies already out there.
Joe
Thats very good, but I believe it's proved to the satisfaction of the people who went to the trouble of analyzing the videos, the people who showed practically how it could be faked, but they are still videos and we all know videos can be manipulated in many ways, so in the end it's down to the individual to make up their minds, do they accept Mylows word, or the several forum members who have clearly shown a possible fake, so far Mylow has come forward with nothing, at this point I do believe that is the only way he is going to vindicate himself.
Quote from: markdansie on May 18, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
sorry everyone we have been busted
Post on Mylow yahoo group
"Due to the almost professional quality of the "proof"
video's presentation, I smell a strong whiff of PhotoShop
video remastering in the air. Get this, I can't prove it,
but also THEY can't disprove it......"
@ running bear
I posted that as tongue in cheek. Sterling is sifting through this thread to find bits and pieces that diproves the video's. I cant post on the mylow at yahoo groups but others can
Mark
I dont know about photoshop but the video that I analysed seems to have the wires there. One would have to fake 94 frames with photoshop. It is a lot of picture for one to fake in 3D perspective!
See my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8WrAS0ElqY
Fausto.
My "Photoshop" response http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_MX6Bc8Wsg
@ Plengo, well done, i agree. Even thou it pains me.
Quote from: plengo on May 18, 2009, 11:48:04 PM
I dont know about photoshop but the video that I analysed seems to have the wires there. One would have to fake 94 frames with photoshop. It is a lot of picture for one to fake in 3D perspective!
See my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8WrAS0ElqY
Fausto.
Great video. Thanks. I hope you post it over in the mylow group for them to experience too. "Video Positive: Fish Line" would be a good title.
Joe
Quote from: LightRider on May 18, 2009, 09:43:26 PM
@All
Just a few data of the acceleration of the "old" vs. the "new" engine ...
it is clear that the chaotic acceleration of the first version is replaced by a smooth acceleration in the new version ...
Thanks for all your work LightRider. For me, your data plotting was the first good evidence that the 'motor' was a hoax.
The first graph was the 'simple' version - Mr. hand as TK puts it. A large number of the early videos were nothing more than him pushing it by hand off-camera. The obvious fly-wheel rundown for the 2nd half of the video this charts was when he starting talking and couldn't 'walk and chew gum at the same time'. (talk and spin the motor at the same time ;) )
The 2nd graph he has moved to the 'string method'. He repeatedly states 'look no wires' etc. I'm of the notion that he progresses to this method having read posts on this forum suggesting his early model was propelled in this method and thus upgraded his hoax.
The 3rd graph showing no change in the acceleration curve when the stator is adjusted clearly indicates the stator magnets are having no/little effect on the 'motor' when it is nearing top speed.
There are so many ways to fake a video that it can never PROVE anything, but only act as a reference.
The list of reasons that indicate it is a hoax are HUGE, only a few being:
MIB, unwilling to allow independant access, numerous combinations of magnet arrangements all work, no replications etc. etc. etc.
The list of reasons it is real are 2: (well, really only 1 - the second one)
a bunch of relatively poor videos that have been busted
he SAYS it's real.
How anyone could still be on the fence and think there is even a TINY chance it's real is only fooling themselves at this point IMO.
I can't wait until George Noory has Sterling on Coast to Coast and asks him all about this entire saga. That will be a great show, and quite possibly, Sterling's last show. I kind of feel bad for the guy.
Bill
@ TK
You know what might be a cool video, just to top off everything you already have done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g&feature=channel_page
Do that same type video, but also when you are at the dc motor end, clip or tape something to the fish line, so everyone can see it run all the way up to the "mylow" motor shaft, and maybe even all the way around.
Just a thought....
Thanks,
Joe
I want to know when TK gets the prize Sterling promised. Has anyone heard anything? Even a denial would be nice but I would love to see why it is denied. This was a public offer so the denial should be public as well. Has any of the guys that are still allowed on his forum heard anything? I think TK at least deserves an answer of some kind.
Bill
@ Sterlinga, my advice to you regarding all these people on this forum. Tip toe quietly amongst the giants. And for you a special link http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/chris_anderson_shares_his_vision_for_ted.html
@TK and Pirate, the money was NOT sterlingas, it was from some other source that wanted in given the device was real.
@ TK, PM ur location, I'll send u a good bottle.
X00013:
I am sorry if I misunderstood. I had read what he posted and I don't recall that being mentioned but, if you say so, I will defer to your opinion as you probably have access and I don't. Thanks.
Bill
Another off topic post by me that Mylow needs to see http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/lang/eng/michael_shermer_on_believing_strange_things.html
Why did the stator turn cold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jSv8PDDwA
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
Why did the stator turn cold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jSv8PDDwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jSv8PDDwA)
A magnetic ghost maybe? Ghosts are supposed to make the room cold, aren't they? I guess if that is true, magnetic ghosts make magnets cold. Kinda figures. ;)
Just a suggestion
Hans
@all, before u get "bored " with the previous video link, just watch it, name drops and all,
@Hans, no ghost, only mags, on a cycle, likie i always thot, jeez!!!
Quote from: LightRider on May 18, 2009, 09:43:26 PM
@All
Just a few data of the acceleration of the "old" vs. the "new" engine ...
it is clear that the chaotic acceleration of the first version is replaced by a smooth acceleration in the new version ...
A reminder: Mylow Video M2U00173 (AnalysisInRPM200905132234b)
Where there is a yellow line, Mylow and his brother are literally changing the position of the stator ...
Do you see the change in the acceleration of the engine ? ...think about it...
LightRider
EDIT:
1 graph ->old
2 graph ->new
3 graph ->new last one (with the yellow line)
LightRider, thans ever so much for taking the time to do this, I am going to try and interpret the 41b and do a time/acceleration match myself. The initial data clearly shows the expected deceleration (gap) - acceleration (rotor set) pattern, but then suddenly starts decelerating.
I will cross check.
The second data needs no further comment, but to be clear: The second setup was a fake, there is no doubt whatsoever and I have not had doubts since the strings were pointed out to me from various sources.
Thanks again for the data
What I wanted to add at the positive side is the following:
If Mylow is a fake, then would H. Johnson also be a fake? That is less likely and therefore these replications are still worthwile. Even someone faking might point in the right direction.... Things do get complicated this way. That is a sure thing.
just because Myow got caught out dosnt mean the Howard was. I believe Howard has contributed a lot to understanding magnets, magnetic switching etc.
As for Mylow...all credability is lost. Nothing is to be believed...he deliberetly misled everyone including all those replicators.
They are still trying to put a spin on it at the Mylow-Yahoo groups.
No replications
No third party validations
And strong evidence that he misled everyone in some if not all his video's
This sad story is over.
The funny thing is I am still being punished by not being allowed to post on the NEC, which I have belonged to for years.
Mark
Ummmm seems my messages on the Mylow Yahoo Group are now moderated and have to be approved, so will post here.
--- In mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com, "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...> wrote:
>
>The thing that makes me question that conclusion is the pendulum effect he shows in the May 13 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIT9yV2SWUs No one seems to have been able to replicate that one -- directly under the stator -- and once that is achieved, the key has been found. I tend to think that is a truism.
>
Hi Sterling
The Pendulum effect is common in most Magnet Motor Designs what opposite poles are towards each other.
With the spacing of Mylows Stators and the spacing of the magnets he got this effect. It can be done.
I demonstrated this in one of my videos quickly using some blocks at around 4:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAK8aQ6tSg
Whether the first Rig Mylow showed was genuine, I do not know.
I like to think I keep an open mind but Mylow has lost all trust by faking the last set of Rigs, so even if the first ones were for real, then he will have to do a lot to convince anyone.
Cheers
Sean.
Well so far even after Mylow stateing his self he faked it.
seems like Overunity was Just out to prove some one wrong and not intrested in keeping with the Howard Johnson idea.
would be nice to hear members of Overunity.com saying they are going to get this thing going...
but instead all i hear is Jokes wise cracks and bashing of other researchs. Over all Sterling , Mylow and other Magnet motor inventors should be Proude of what they did....
Not only did they Open others to the idea that Magnet power is out there "Like me" but it can become usefull i want to thank Howard johnson and evertone that ever tryed making this invetion.
i will keep a look out for the NEXT mylow and it was fun.
good bye
your friend
GIGA
90/94 inc
www.Paseoradio.com
At least Mylows Twin brother has the balls to admit it was a fake to Sterling.
Not sure if I am buying the first one (Stonehenge) still being genuine though.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1457
From Tony to Sterling
do not send me any more emails regarding mylow motors
i will not answer any questions or make comments
nor will i call you and do not call me at my cell.
this has been very difficult for me and my brother.
the only thing i will say is that the originals where real and
my brother was told not to post anymore (real) motors.
that is it for me i will not accept anymore emails from you or anyothers
I did take some key measurements and can now confirm LightRiders graphs. No large deviations in what I measured myself.
What I did was count the number of times a set of rotor magnets passes the stator magnet during a fixed period of time and the data pretty much matches the graph.
Time versus passes
01:30 - 02:00 (60)
03:00 - 03:25 (44)
04:00 - 04:25 (50)
05:00 - 05:25 (47)
06:00 - 06:25 (37)
07:00 - 07:25 (31)
Because there is NO hand in the video anywhere to be seen and the device is in plain view all the time, I must conclude that the behaviour of the rotor is not as expected (well depends on your point of view).
Why the clear deceleration starting at 04:30? Is the Alinco stator magnet degaussing? Did it reach a saturation point where it is no longer strong enough to sustain the motion?
To be sure I asked mister Sennheiser. Mister Sennheiser is my headset and you cannot fool him. So, audio analysis.
Downloading the HD version here: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?fmt=18&video_id=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&t=vjVQa1PpcFMcAHZDHN4DBuP6C5zb1yh8LaDPfT8pgTA=
And created a SVCD version which I could play on my DVD player routed through my stereo and Mr. S.
Very loud, with some Dolby filters to block the static.
From the get go the first you hear is a monotone ticking sound, almost like a clock. To determine if this noise is related to the setup I tried to extrapolate the sound to the acceleration curve.
There is a relation.
The ticking sound is weakened at the bottom of the acceleration curves, and starts back again when the deceleration curves start. That´s just too much of a coincidence.
I am going to assign the weakening of the background tick as "Circuit on" and the noise turning back to normal levels to "Circuit off".
00:12 Strange noise (cannot determine exactly)
00:16 Circuit on
00:27 Circuit off
00:38 Circuit on
00:48 Circuit off
01:22 Circuit on
01:41 Circuit off
02:17 Circuit on
02:45 Circuit off
03:20 Circuit on
03:39 Circuit off
04:09 Circuit on
04:30 Circuit off
04:38 Mylow starts talking "last video"
The ticking noise is most likely the assisting motor (off) turning with the rotor.
So, there you have it, I was wrong.
Surely you cannot blame me for verifying though.
There are still a few open questions though:
Why the personality change
Why the NSA visit (Congress remember)
Why the setup change
Why the latter clear fake
...and the big one
If fake from the start, WHY?
He clearly respects Howard Johnson and holds him in high regard, or is that fake too?
Why smear HJ´s name in such a way by faking his idea? Strange.
I am still looking into Stonehenge regardless, but let me be clear:
41b (last video of the original setup) IS WITHOUT A DOUBT A FAKE.
So what about #6 (first video of original setup running) then?
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?fmt=18&video_id=hpQA5c9guvE&t=vjVQa1PpcFOpZnRUDkHo1Tgg0Pr7b2ZdGAqu6KCqdYQ=
Let´s find out, same treatment, no acceleration graph available though.
Audio analysis of #6:
00:00 - 02:15 a very loud Mylow not much else, a strange oscillating sound can be heard throughout the video, may be the camera, but only if it uses analog storage.
02:16 the stator is set in place and the setup starts
02:46 acceleration - strange oscillating sound does not change (sounds like a fan bearing)
03:26 the full setup is shown - an acceleration analysis could be possible
04:48 device is stopped by pushing the stator holder against the disc. Oscillating sound does not change. I conclude the oscillating sound in the background is not part of the setup.
05:40 device is started again
06:20 full device is shown - acceleration analysis could be done again
06:52 device is stopped
08:46 device is started
09:03 another speed analysis opportunity
The moment he uses the zoom function can be clearly identified by a click, which is his finger landing on the zoom button.
My conclusion, there is no ticking sound as observed in 41b. Also, he uses his black stator magnet in #6 and uses a red Alinco stator magnet in #41b. Why? Is it possible he is already "under the influence" in #41b?. Maybe not. What is a fact 41b is the last video of the old setup, and it is now proven a fake.
In #6 there is no sound change when the device is running or stopped.
Conclusion: because the camera is not zoomed out all the time it is impossible to tell if his hand was used for the acceleration. It should be easy to determine if an outside force was used to turn the disc by doing an acceleration graph of the sections where the device is in full view. From the audio I would say this video is genuine. We definitly need a acceleration analysis to prove the setup false or true in this case. It spins too fast for me to count the rotor magnets passing the stator magnet, so...
LightRider, could you please assist with #6 so we can put this to rest once and for all?
If you are able to show deceleration of the disc in #6 while his hand is away from the wheel then there it is. Fake. If not... Well then maybe Tony´s SMS is not that strange after all.
AZ
Quote from: markdansie on May 19, 2009, 04:11:06 AM
just because Myow got caught out dosnt mean the Howard was. I believe Howard has contributed a lot to understanding magnets, magnetic switching etc.
Mark
OK Mark,
Exactly what has Howard contributed to our understanding of magnets ? Apart from some airy fairy ideas that don't seem to hold out against reality I see very little in his writings.
Hans von Lieven
"toukoqouko" Video from Youtube (now removed)
Here is what appears to be a confirmation of the first video analysis from toukoqouko.
- Acceleration should occur only in "Zone A" (see graph3) where the rotor and stator are related ...
- All other zones should be a deceleration mainly due to friction ...
- But, as the data shows, the disc in "Zone E" and "Zone H" is also in acceleration !?
Graph1 -> acceleration curve with 11 complete cycles
Graph2 -> zone zoom of acceleration (green) and deceleration (red) in a single cycle. Capital letters to refer to Graph3.
Graph3 -> the disc with the zones of acceleration (green) and decelerations (red). Capital letters to refer to Graph2.
A special thanks to "toukoqouko" for this unique contribution
LightRider
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
@ Clanzer
From Tony to Sterling
"do not send me any more emails regarding mylow motors
i will not answer any questions or make comments
nor will i call you and do not call me at my cell.
this has been very difficult for me and my brother.
the only thing i will say is that the originals where real and
my brother was told not to post anymore (real) motors.
that is it for me i will not accept anymore emails from you or anyothers"
Why not stop posting all together rather than decieve all the good people who spent many hours and dollars on trying to replicate a fraud.
PS Hans...I was being polite as he is no longer with us. I admire his passion. However I agree with some of the points you made
Mark
LightRider, I was looking for the analysis you did for Video #6 and the one that shows him in the bedroom, and I found you had already determined 41b a fake more than a month ago here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg171091#msg171091
Well done, but you could have mentioned it to me earlier....
We came to the same conclusion... 8)
Do you have an analysis of #6 please?
my disc and magnets arrive today....
I wonder if they accept returns.
Found the LR analysis of video #6, we´ll see what´s what then.-
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 06:15:57 AM
Found the LR analysis of video #6, we´ll see what´s what then.-
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
I cannot match your graph to this video ???
The device is stopped three times.
How do you measure the in betweens as he keeps moving the camera?
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 19, 2009, 01:17:46 AM
@ TK
You know what might be a cool video, just to top off everything you already have done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu06HpY5v6g&feature=channel_page
Do that same type video, but also when you are at the dc motor end, clip or tape something to the fish line, so everyone can see it run all the way up to the "mylow" motor shaft, and maybe even all the way around.
Just a thought....
Thanks,
Joe
Oh, you mean to "prove" that I really am turning the wheel with the fishing line ?
(bangs head on keyboard)
Thank you for the suggestion. I don't have nearly enough to do these days.
Actually in this video there is at least one place, maybe two, where you can see the invisible knot zipping through my fingers.
Constructing and managing a 50-foot loop of 3-lb test monofilament line zipping around at 3 or 4 feet per second may look easy to you.
Try it sometime.
Anyway, I'd like to skip it for now, if you don't mind. People will just say that I PS'd it in, or out, or something.
(See, M, I told you that they would say the fakes are fake.)
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 01:31:00 AM
@TK and Pirate, the money was NOT sterlingas, it was from some other source that wanted in given the device was real.
@ TK, PM ur location, I'll send u a good bottle.
There was no mention of "if the device was real" that I can recall. The prize was for a confirmed replication at least 50 percent accurate of a running Mylow wheel.
I claim that prize.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm afraid of visitors right now.
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
Why did the stator turn cold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jSv8PDDwA
1. metals, because of their high specific heat, feel cool to the touch even when they are at room temperature. Try it!
2. the wheel creates quite a draft. Try it!
3. Mylow can look you right in the eyeballs and lie like a lawyer. Look for yourself!
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 19, 2009, 04:13:21 AM
Ummmm seems my messages on the Mylow Yahoo Group are now moderated and have to be approved, so will post here.
--- In mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com, "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...> wrote:
>
>The thing that makes me question that conclusion is the pendulum effect he shows in the May 13 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIT9yV2SWUs No one seems to have been able to replicate that one -- directly under the stator -- and once that is achieved, the key has been found. I tend to think that is a truism.
>
Hi Sterling
The Pendulum effect is common in most Magnet Motor Designs what opposite poles are towards each other.
With the spacing of Mylows Stators and the spacing of the magnets he got this effect. It can be done.
I demonstrated this in one of my videos quickly using some blocks at around 4:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAK8aQ6tSg
Whether the first Rig Mylow showed was genuine, I do not know.
I like to think I keep an open mind but Mylow has lost all trust by faking the last set of Rigs, so even if the first ones were for real, then he will have to do a lot to convince anyone.
Cheers
Sean.
And of course I clearly show this "pendulum effect" in one of the early videos that documents my testbed construction and baseline testing.
It's no big deal.
For a real pendulum effect that is perhaps a "big deal" check out AdminOnDuty's mag pendulum videos.
Mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Qbq9a84UM
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 07:54:08 AM
(See, M, I told you that they would say the fakes are fake.)
Very true, you did... Time well spent though.
Believers will always have faith and you'll never take that away from them, that's a given. Just like religious zealots some people will ignore what is right in front of them and talk around it instead of addressing it and opening up to the possibility that what they have adopted as being the indisputable truth is nothing more than a well crafted lie.
Your replication videos combined with the original high resolution videos that clearly show the 'fishing line' anomaly and the new discussions of the graphs analysing the acceleration/deceleration of the wheel have now reached a point where it is dwarfing all evidence that Mylow provided, limited as it is, that this is a real fully magnetic motor.
You and the other sceptics have put together a case for this being fake so watertight that the only thing left for believers to do is accuse the debunkers of deception and spread stories of MiB involvement, crop circles and designs imparted by dreams.
There's now more evidence to say this is fake than there is to the contrary and anyone with objectivity and impartiality
must accept that, therefore it's case closed for 99.99% of people. If Mylow reappears with a working motor that he takes for truly independent verification then the situation will change but I'm sure a lot more people are now convinced that wont happen than in the infancy of this 'project'.
The ball's not just in his court... I'm sure It's game, set and match in most people's eyes.
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From Tony to Sterling
..do not send me any more emails regarding mylow motors
i will not answer any questions or make comments
nor will i call you and do not call me at my cell.
this has been very difficult for me and my brother.
the only thing i will say is that the originals where real and
my brother was told not to post anymore (real) motors.
that is it for me i will not accept anymore emails from you or anyothers"
Yep, after MiB got involved, I knew the story was over. We all know that something so important cannot be available to us, poor humans...
That's why there are MiB, Illuminati, Bildenbergs, etc, etc...
There's a rumor they stop each and any revolutionary achievement.
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Why not stop posting all together rather than deceive all the good people who spent many hours and dollars on trying to replicate a fraud.
The ones who got deceived with this "simple" fake should bare all the consequences.
People have been warned right from the start....
Geee, I had been banned because I tried to point out the fallacy of this claim, and tried to warn the replicators before they spend any considerable amount of money...
(beside, usually, the lesson learned is always in proportion with the money spent, or the time invested,..)
I did apologise (here) to the person i "attacked" (the apology was sincere, because I knew him from before and I liked his optimism and skills), and promise not to "attack" ML and others in the future...
....
Hey, we have some chameleons here! People who changed their "sides" just recently (after the tricks have been exposed)...
It's a natural thing. I do like people who have an intensive learning curve. And there were some REAL men who admit they were wrong at the beginning... A few....
...
I still remember that AQ's thread. (the one where a "war" between a "blind believers" and "cynical skeptics" was (at least once for a change) called an "Archurians vs Newtonians")...
As the Archurians were loosing "the battle" (that wasn't very hard considering the claims being made), they invented a new mechanism to fight with the "winning" side.... Somebody proposed to send AQ a donation (to help with his cause, or (maybe) just to annoy Newtonians ) ... Which sparkled a series of similar moves...
...
To make this Loooong story short, at the end, some of the (most loud and fervent allies of AQ "demanded their money back"....)
Jeeez....
Did Mylow ever ask for any money? Did he tried to convince anybody to invest and build "his" motor?
No?
So, don't expect any money returns. From anyone.
Look from the bright side - many small magnet suppliers have cleared up their already forgotten magnet stocks...
And, if you've purchased some magnets now... You can always use them in the future.
...
I still have my magnets collection, (2/3 are old, like from times when the HJ case was discussed on the BBs's (and analog modems), while a third of my stock can be linked with the (relatively recent) Steorn claims...)
Ah, never mind.
@all
The main question now is, if Mylow was faking from the start, why make a sudden change from channel magnets (CM) to bar magnets (BM). If the fake was working out so well with CM, why make the change. Why mention the CMs or Stator was getting weak. Who would have known the magnets were weak if the wheel was turned with a string. Why even mention it. Just keep on pretending they are real and continue the faking. Why????????
Something smells and it ain't our feet.
Quote from: wattsup on May 19, 2009, 08:50:53 AM
@all
The main question now is, if Mylow was faking from the start, why make a sudden change from channel magnets (CM) to bar magnets (BM). If the fake was working out so well with CM, why make the change. Why mention the CMs or Stator was getting weak. Who would have known the magnets were weak if the wheel was turned with a string. Why even mention it. Just keep on pretending they are real and continue the faking. Why????????
Something smells and it ain't our feet.
Because Mylow is living out a childhood fantasy but it got out of hand. No big deal.
If the MiB story is true and this mysterious entity is responsible for Mylow's deceptive actions then why would valid plans for the device be allowed to be disseminated by the very group that is seeking to squelch this? This to me would be of more concern to the MiBs than some unsubstantiated videos. Since no replications have taken place based on the plans provided and no outside party is allowed to verify the supposed real working versions if any then on what basis can the plans be construed as being valid?
From a scientific point of view this experiment is tainted enough as to make the entire endeavor suspect and without any outside verification that can set a benchmark for what is real and what isn't pursuit of any of the plans in building a working device seems highly dubious.
If the MiB story is true then any successful replicator would also be subjected to the same treatment otherwise their initial encounter with Mylow would have been pointless. If the MiB start pounding on the doors of every successful replicators and those encounters are related by those replicators on the Internet like Mylow did then the clandestine operations are compromised. Mylow was supposedly told to cease and desist and yet he persevered in the face of some nebulous authoritarian group. Does that not make this nebulous group toothless?
It has also never been proved what power production this magnetic wheel arrangement can produce if any. If basically it is a perpetual motion device with insufficient torque to generate useful energy then at what level is this thing a threat to the established power brokers enough for them to summon the MiBs to do their bidding?
If the MiBs were so convinced that Mylow had discovered the holy grail of energy and that it was a threat to those they represent then why would they give the device back to Mylow? If Mylow really was a threat it would seem more thorough to confiscate the device permanently, ship it off to Area 51 and ship Mylow off to a Gulag. If they gave the device back and instructed Mylow to then produce false videos to taint the credibility then why would they allow valid plans to be extant? Would they not go after Sterling for distributing them and hunt down all of the replicators that have been attempting to build their own?
It all comes down to verification by a qualified and impartial outside party. I do not believe the MiB story and it is a red herring in this baroque tale. It also seems absurd to create an all powerful entity like the MiBs only to make them incompetent.
All of the motivations of why Mylow did this or did that are irrelevant as are any forays into trying to find out what they are. The only thing that matters is whether in fact any version of what Mylow did is valid and are the plans that are being disseminated supportive of those specific working devices. Without outside inspection no such validity can be assumed.
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
Why did the stator turn cold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jSv8PDDwA
It didn't, that's just another diversion.
Quote from: wattsup on May 19, 2009, 08:50:53 AM
@all
The main question now is, if Mylow was faking from the start, why make a sudden change from channel magnets (CM) to bar magnets (BM). If the fake was working out so well with CM, why make the change. Why mention the CMs or Stator was getting weak. Who would have known the magnets were weak if the wheel was turned with a string. Why even mention it. Just keep on pretending they are real and continue the faking. Why????????
Something smells and it ain't our feet.
Most excellent.... Don´t forget the new stator magnet in #41b as well.
The jury is still out on video #6 as far as I am concerned.
Bigtime.
The only thing which stops me replicating #6 (if it stops me) is the pricing of the custom built disc & magnets. Have to be custom built as they cannot be found anywhere. As far as I can tell.
Looks like ole Sterling is getting a clue
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1458
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 10:11:22 AM
Looks like ole Sterling is getting a clue
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1458
Good for him. Really.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 10:11:22 AM
Looks like ole Sterling is getting a clue
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1458
Ah, yes, Sterling...
I wander, will he admit that he was wrong? Will he make some kind of a public notice, apologising to all he was acting unfair to? (I believe we, the members of this site, have some expectations, no?)
Anyway, it may take a long time. Maybe there will be an explanation included in the 23rd part of the Star Treks... "The return of a boomerang"
;)
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of 6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.
AA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM
I agree with this sentiment, but it must be remember that while HJ was on the straight and narrow, he never produced a proven workable motor, heck if he had we'd all be using them by now.
But I stand by what others have said, let the replications continue, but not in Mylow's name, it should be done in Howard Johnson's name.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on May 19, 2009, 10:46:14 AMWhen Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.
AA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM
In the name of "Howard Johnson" sounds good to me. Mylow's luck motor yielding a non repro model even by himself is a good lesson not to take stuff apart before you understand how it works. If you can not make and reproduce it consecutively chances are your understanding is incomplete or wrong in total. With a number of working models you can assign a number of people to test in private or secrete without any of them knowing other tests are going on at the same time. I still like the simplicity of the concept and plan to continue any way.
You know what happened, right...
Mylow came across those channel magnets at Chicago Science & Surplus, and they looked so much like HJ's stonehenge rotors, he lost his mind. When it didn't work, he couldn't help himself and started making videos to live out the fantasy with the world.
This is what I tend to think.
I'm "guessing" Mylow put a lot of time, effort and money into this only to have it fail and some people just cannot accept failure, so he wanted to push others into replicating, maybe see if someone else could get it to work, but whatever his motive, creating a hoax is clearly wrong.
I know if he had come here with full honesty there would have been plenty of people to help him out.
On the other hand, I still go with the idea of the "15 minutes of fame", it just got a little stretched!
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
You know what happened, right...
Mylow came across those channel magnets at Chicago Science & Surplus, and they looked so much like HJ's stonehenge rotors, he lost his mind. When it didn't work, he couldn't help himself and started making videos to live out the fantasy with the world.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
This is what I tend to think.
I'm "guessing" Mylow put a lot of time, effort and money into this only to have it fail and some people just cannot accept failure, so he wanted to push others into replicating, maybe see if someone else could get it to work, but whatever his motive, creating a hoax is clearly wrong.
I know if he had come here with full honesty there would have been plenty of people to help him out.
On the other hand, I still go with the idea of the "15 minutes of fame", it just got a little stretched!
Yeah definitely.
reality deficit disorder.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
You know what happened, right...
Mylow came across those channel magnets at Chicago Science & Surplus, and they looked so much like HJ's stonehenge rotors, he lost his mind. When it didn't work, he couldn't help himself and started making videos to live out the fantasy with the world.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 06:23:28 AM
I cannot match your graph to this video ???
The device is stopped three times.
How do you measure the in betweens as he keeps moving the camera?
"The device is stopped three times."
Yes, I made a small correction on the graph.
"How do you measure..."
At that time I did not have sensor or program, I measured frame by frame...
(there was a group of 4 magnets and the rest were all groups of three ... this correlates with frames... and several hours of work...)
LightRider
Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 05:54:42 AM
LightRider, I was looking for the analysis you did for Video #6 and the one that shows him in the bedroom, and I found you had already determined 41b a fake more than a month ago here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg171091#msg171091
Well done, but you could have mentioned it to me earlier....
We came to the same conclusion... 8)
Do you have an analysis of #6 please?
Good work AquariuZ. Our video and audio conclusions seems to validates themself
"but you could have mentioned it to me earlier"
I had not seen your post yet ;)
LightRider
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 07:54:08 AM
Oh, you mean to "prove" that I really am turning the wheel with the fishing line ?
(bangs head on keyboard)
(See, M, I told you that they would say the fakes are fake.)
Of course I was not saying you faked anything, and I am not one of the "They" group members :)
Thanks,
Joe
The more that things change...
Perpetual Motion Machine of Charles Redheffer (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Perpetual_Motion_Machine_of_Charles_Redheffer) <-- link
"Fulton offered Redheffer a challenge. He said that he could expose the secret source of the machine’s energy, and that if he failed to do so he would pay for any damages he might cause in trying. Redheffer agreed to this, and so Fulton immediately removed some boards from a wall neighboring the machine. A long hidden cord made of catgut was revealed.
Fulton followed this cord upstairs where he found an old bearded man sitting and eating a crust of bread with one hand, while he turned a hand-crank with the other. An angry mob, realizing the scam, demolished the perpetual motion machine, and Redheffer fled."
That's a classic one.
But he had an advantage, rich and gullible folk were into things that were all the rage, he knew this and he played them like a fiddle until he was caught.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
The more that things change...
Perpetual Motion Machine of Charles Redheffer (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Perpetual_Motion_Machine_of_Charles_Redheffer) <-- link
"Fulton offered Redheffer a challenge. He said that he could expose the secret source of the machine’s energy, and that if he failed to do so he would pay for any damages he might cause in trying. Redheffer agreed to this, and so Fulton immediately removed some boards from a wall neighboring the machine. A long hidden cord made of catgut was revealed.
Fulton followed this cord upstairs where he found an old bearded man sitting and eating a crust of bread with one hand, while he turned a hand-crank with the other. An angry mob, realizing the scam, demolished the perpetual motion machine, and Redheffer fled."
The theory of "mylow as lone gunman" is rather tenuous (there are serious inconsistencies with it), so i wouldn't start the echo chamber into full reverb yet ;)
.. But i can think of a few reasons why some would WANT us to believe that, lol; can any of you?
BTW: I predict their next step is to link Howard Johnson to mylow by inference; and thus attempt to end that nagging 30 years of "unsurmountable problems with debunking" caused by the existence of the Patents, numerous eye witness accounts, and surviving devices.
Then, when successful with that, they can finally go home.
Expect a long stay, guys ;)
Yes, It does appear that maybe Sterling is coming around. In my mind, he could make everything ok very easily. All he needs to do is issue a genuine apology and admit he had been duped along with the rest of us who were. (at one time or another) Then, he needs to offer a money back return for those that purchased the plans under what I consider to be false pretenses. This will not be as bad as it first appears because, I believe a lot of the folks will just end up keeping them anyway and his returns won't be near as bad as he may think. But, if he at least makes the offer, then, in my opinion, I think that will make things right.
He had a lot of credibility going into this and I think he can recover most of it by doing these 2 simple things. It is hard to admit when you are/were wrong and a good many of us here have done it, myself included. I hope he does this. I still think he is a decent fellow and we can really use someone with his abilities and connections in future energy projects. Speaking for myself, I would gladly accept his apology to the community and then put this behind us and move on.
Time will tell.
Bill
Quote from: ellubpt on May 18, 2009, 11:38:32 AM
Or perhaps, his motivation?
Ya got that right. But funny thing is.... still nobody realizes what is going on exactly. It was time to pull the weeds.
I'm posting this quote here without a name or source, but I know that some of you will know where it comes from
QuoteNotice how the fishing-line video appeared only the day after Mylow had
described his technique for positioning the rotor magnets? Just when it was
looking like that information might accelerate replication efforts
Now sometimes even I get a conspiracy theory into my head, no, nothing to do with MiB or the Illuminati, but more to do with people who want to drag on a story or perhaps stir up others just for the fun of it, you know, windup artists, ahh takes me back to my ole CB radio days when an operator would have nothing better to do than tell porkies over the radio.
Now I'm not saying the quote above is doing that, but just like the ole CB radio windups, these guys are out there on the net.
I realize the scam nature of this video, but what happens with this magnet configuration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAUAsIosjc&feature=rec-HM-r2
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
I realize the scam nature of this video, but what happens with this magnet configuration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAUAsIosjc&feature=rec-HM-r2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAUAsIosjc&feature=rec-HM-r2)
I saw that about a year and a half ago and many tried to replicate it (including me) and, if I am not mistaken, it was determined to be a scam or hoax a few months later. It was researched and discussed on a topic here somewhere, although I can't recall the name of the topic at this time. I think this was about the same time as expensif's motor was revealed as a scam/hoax as it was powered by the air from a hairdryer. (admitted by the creator) Actually, this one might have been discussed on that topic. Maybe others here will have a better memory than I.
Bill ***EDIT*** I still have all those neos, ha ha.
Why is Howard Johnsons name connected with this whole Mylow saga anyway? I don't see any relationship between HJ technology and Mylows joke other than the word magnet!! We have all made machines similar to the Mylow contraption and we never say they are inspired by HJ!!. And speaking of HJ, I don't think there is any absolute proof that any of his motors ever produced continual rotation. If they had, they would be out there producing power today. And I don't want to hear anything about supression bullshit. Sterling says HJ had to prove his motor in order to get a patent. That is not true. NOTHING has to be proven to get a patent, NOTHING.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
You know what happened, right...
Mylow came across those channel magnets at Chicago Science & Surplus, and they looked so much like HJ's stonehenge rotors, he lost his mind. When it didn't work, he couldn't help himself and started making videos to live out the fantasy with the world.
Pretty good analysis there...
A patent will be granted and a working model is not needed as long as you don't call it a perpetual motion machine. In that case a working model is needed. If you call it a motor, no working model is needed.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on May 19, 2009, 10:46:14 AM
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of 6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.
AA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM
Beste Aad, prachtig werk. Ik zou willen vragen om te overwegen deze setup eens na te bouwen met exact dezelfde materialen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
Video 6, deze setup zou inderdaad kunnen werken.... (ik ga het zeker proberen, maar heb momenteel niet de middelen om aan de -zeldzame- magneten te komen.)
Alvast bedankt.
Great job
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 19, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
I saw that about a year and a half ago and many tried to replicate it (including me) and, if I am not mistaken, it was determined to be a scam or hoax a few months later. It was researched and discussed on a topic here somewhere, although I can't recall the name of the topic at this time. I think this was about the same time as expensif's motor was revealed as a scam/hoax as it was powered by the air from a hairdryer. (admitted by the creator) Actually, this one might have been discussed on that topic. Maybe others here will have a better memory than I.
Bill ***EDIT*** I still have all those neos, ha ha.
lol thanks.
I've seen a similar design w/ circular magnets, inside a stator box. I believe Clanzer tested one.
You know i hear that said all the time (that "a working model is not required to get a motor Patent"), but have ever seen anything to back it, just similar comments.
Such a statement is usually used to try to discount the existence of a Patent. In the case of Howard Johnson's "exactly 30 year old Patent" (as of this last April), the first and generally considered "main" one for the technology, this may be difficult to achieve, since there was a Federal Patent Appeals Court Hearing on it, with court records of live demonstration ;)
Do you know where something to back the statement about "no demo unit is required" could be found? Just curious. Might be tough to find such proof, i imagine.
I guess we could ask Dr. Thomas Valone, he used to work for the Patent Office.
Quote from: zydubion on May 19, 2009, 02:08:23 PM
Why is Howard Johnsons name connected with this whole Mylow saga anyway? I don't see any relationship between HJ technology and Mylows joke other than the word magnet!! We have all made machines similar to the Mylow contraption and we never say they are inspired by HJ!!. And speaking of HJ, I don't think there is any absolute proof that any of his motors ever produced continual rotation. If they had, they would be out there producing power today. And I don't want to hear anything about supression bullshit. Sterling says HJ had to prove his motor in order to get a patent. That is not true. NOTHING has to be proven to get a patent, NOTHING.
Because his first model resembles the HJ stonehenge motor and it's what he designed it after.
The HJ car/train in this documentary is rather convincing. The suppression theory might hold water in HJ's case.
http://www.youtube.com/user/magnetman1000
jibbguy Sorry, can't offer proof of no demo needed. Just personal experience with 30+ patents. You can offer it but it is not needed to get a patent.
Sterling finally threw in the towel
Still selling the videos, though....
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 02:39:56 PM
Sterling finally threw in the towel
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
But he is still selling the plans, right?
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 19, 2009, 02:42:03 PM
But he is still selling the plans, right?
Yeah plans and videos.
But he was kind enough to post a link to a torrent of 6 of the videos. Oh brother.
Has he?
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/Videos/index.html
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 02:39:56 PM
Sterling finally threw in the towel
Still selling the videos, though....
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 02:39:56 PM
Sterling finally threw in the towel
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
Looks like TinselKoala will get his award
"Yesterday, TinselKoala posted a video showing how he got his Mylow replica motor to spin via the fish line attached via pulley to a motor. He has actually posted several videos, beginning two days ago, including one where the motor was 30 feet away, in another room, and still able to drive the motor. He therefore requested recognition as being the first person to replicate Mylow's motor, an accomplishment apparently merited, at least for the April 29-May 3 set shown by Mylow. "
From "toukoqouko"
rotation analysis
Hi, I saw your analysis on OU.com, (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180267#msg180267)
I gave up on that kind of analysis because I found it was very difficult to measure the speed accurately because of perspective. So even though I got results, I find it difficult to trust they're really accurate. How did you measure the disc position? In my early versions, perspective distortion generated a sine-wave addition to the curve.
answer...
Objet :rotation analysis
Hi toukoqouko,
This same problem was faced by me. I, for hours, asked myself the same question...
How has he done to counteract the distortion of the angular velocity due to the visual perspective?
(I did not know the problem was also on your side).
Here's how the final results were obtained...
(Please if you see any mistake in my approach or results,
let me know, I will do the verification and the possible correction)
Here are the assumptions and steps on what I relied to achieve these results...
a) despite the visual perspective one thing do not deform itself: the time
(where we do not take into account video compression that can affect this variable ...)
b) with the help of a 3D perspective software, the disk was divided into 8 equal parts, taking into account this visual perspective.
(as in the graph3 to my post @OU forum)
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180267#msg180267)
c) with a little programming I positioned 8 marker on the video.
d) these markers are aimed to capture the degree of video brightness only.
e) they were positioned on the aluminum disc and in the path of the magnet
(if you look carefully graph3 from my post @OU forum, you will see them because I have not deleted them from the graph3 ! )
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180267#msg180267)
f) the data obtained, allowed me to have the angular velocity at 8 places.
then I come to the conclusions that seems confirmed your data.
Simple, no!
LightRider
answer...
Re: Objet :rotation analysis
Ok, if you have the markers evenly spaced then it seems reasonable.
Touko
What exactly is his justification now for continuing to sell the videos? And how exactly did he obtain them? Mylow mailed them to Sterling I guess, so does this mean that sterling is still giving Mylow a cut of the action? Either way, how slimy.
Sent to Sterling just now:
Hello Sterling
I have been waiting to hear from you. I hereby claim the prize for the
first exact running replication of Mylow's wheel, including the drive
system. You did not demand that Mylow get outside confirmation that his
device operates as he claimed, so we'll just let that slide--even though,
as you will see, I obtained outside vetting for my replication.
If you look at my last 6 or 7 videos on YouTube, you will see that I have
duplicated Mylow's wheel in ALL SIGNIFICANT ASPECTS and so should be
awarded the Mylow prize. Please contact me as soon as possible to arrange
the particulars.
I am sending a copy of this message to some people I know, to document my
claim. I will also be posting this letter on my YT channel and on
overunity.com.
Please note that I published these videos, the first ones anyway, BEFORE
the high-res video analyses and time-domain rotation analyses that were
done on Mylow's motor. I first mentioned the idea on a comment to another
possible fakery attempt, some days ago.
I remain,
--TK
Can someone remind me of the conditions set out by Sterling on showing how the Mylow motor could be faked, I don't remember him being specific about which video, only that it is shown to be possible?
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 02:44:18 PMan accomplishment apparently merited, at least for the April 29-May 3 set shown by Mylow. "
I'd like to see that MyLow would come clean about this issues...
Like how "exactly" he did it.... ;D
He seems so sincere... After watching his latest videos, I'd still like to donate something to the cause.... Or, is it too late?
Btw, thanks to all the thinking people, especially the ones who contributed preciously to find out the truth...
A fishing line, eh?
P.S.
Congrat's TK, for winning the Sterling's prize!
One of the better questions I've seen posted.
QuoteI still reiterate, why aren't the MiB going after Sterling for selling the plans for the "real" motor? (I.e. the ones before the fish started to rot). It would seem to me that plans being disseminated would be more damaging
Quote from: spinner on May 19, 2009, 03:22:07 PM
I'd like to see that MyLow would come clean about this issues...
Like how "exactly" he did it.... ;D
I'd also like to see the same from Alsetalokin WRT WhipMag.
What are you saying?, that Sterling is a Jaffa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1)?
Could not help it, was first thing that came to mind when I saw that image.
Quote from: fat-lady on May 19, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Sterling shame on you
Quote from: spinner on May 19, 2009, 03:22:07 PM
P.S.
Congrat's TK, for winning the Sterling's prize!
Right I had enough of this ;D
I admit it, TK and I are the same person, so simply send the prize over to me 8)
As flying across the Atlantic to my second home is a pain, UK postal address please ;D
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 19, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
Right I had enough of this ;D
I admit it, TK and I are the same person, so simply send the prize over to me 8)
As flying across the Atlantic to my second home is a pain, UK postal address please ;D
I like how you do the different accent thing. Very convincing.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 19, 2009, 03:53:23 PM
I like how you do the different accent thing. Very convincing.
Thank You :)
From the "Mylow_magno" group (in response to the question regarding what Sterling actually posted as criteria for the "Prize" (go look for it yourselves, i'm not putting up the date stamp out of pique; so there lol):
_________________________________________________
I agree that no one has yet satisfactorily claimed the "first replication."
I propose the following criteria for that distinction:
1) post a video to YouTube or send it by Skype to me so I can post it. This will constitute the time stamp of public evidence.
2) the video must show the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone
3) there must be at least a 50% similarity to Mylow's design, either the Stonehenge version or the bar-magnet rotor version.
Am I missing anything?
Sterling
_________________
Lol the answer to the last in retrospect would obviously be YES ;)
But notice #2 "The Power of Magnets Alone" statement.
Oh yes yes, of course we know that you guys in the echo chamber do not actually want or expect the prize, just to humiliate Sterling and discredit him AMAP. Well maybe he deserved some of that (dozens and dozens of posts though lol?). One would think he personally did something to you all, like kicked your grandmother's wheel chair down the stairs or something, lol. Disagreeing with you would seem to be a rather paltry cause to get so worked up about....
But in the end it appears he was a "victim" like everyone else who followed this. One who has made serious errors certainly, but a victim none the less.
Unless anyone has any proof to the contrary to offer... ?
Or is it just more fun to continually attack him?
It's getting to look rather mean-spirited, guys... And that never helps with "Message".
Quote from: spinner on May 19, 2009, 03:22:07 PM
I'd like to see that MyLow would come clean about this issues...
Like how "exactly" he did it.... ;D
He seems so sincere... After watching his latest videos, I'd still like to donate something to the cause.... Or, is it too late?
Btw, thanks to all the thinking people, especially the ones who contributed preciously to find out the truth...
A fishing line, eh?
P.S.
Congrat's TK, for winning the Sterling's prize!
I second that motion. TK is the winner. Congrats Good job TK, you the man.
8) <-MiB
And yet still offers for sale plans to
Mylow Magnet Motor High-Res. Videos Download Access and plans (http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/Videos/index.html).
A victim he maybe, but he is milking it for sure.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 19, 2009, 04:21:16 PM
But in the end it appears he was a "victim" like everyone else who followed this. One who has made serious errors certainly, but a victim none the less.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 19, 2009, 03:53:23 PM
I like how you do the different accent thing. Very convincing.
I haven't noticing it...?! ;D
Is CLaNZeR really a TinselKoala? Is TK the same pearson as Alsetalokin? Is Pirate maybe a RunningBare? Am I AQ? Is Stefan actually Sterling? Is Mylow his brother, or wife, or maybe a parrot?
I have enough problems with the language already....
I need a long rest from this "ship of fools".... ;D
But..."I'll ... be ... back..." ;D
Quote from: spinner on May 19, 2009, 04:31:04 PM
I haven't noticing it...?! ;D
Is CLaNZeR really a TinselKoala? Is TK the same pearson as Alsetalokin? Is Pirate maybe a RunningBare? Am I AQ? Is Stefan actually Sterling? Is Mylow his brother, or wife, or maybe a parrot?
I have enough problems with the language already....
I need a long rest from this "ship of fools".... ;D
But..."I'll ... be ... back..." ;D
ROFL ;D ;D ;D
G’day all,
I have been thinking for a long time what was the motivation behind the Mylow scam. Here is my theory of what might be behind it.
I am inclined to believe that this entire thing was an elaborate scheme to claim Howard Johnson’s legacy. There is little doubt that this legacy exists and contains Johnson’s undisclosed writings as well as drawings and other effects etc.
Sterling Alan writes in his article “How does Mylow get his all-magnet motor to work?â€
( Source http://pesn.com/2009/05/16/9501541_How_Does_Mylow_Do_It/ )
Is Mylow Shiloh?
One thing that has become clear to me as I've been covering this Mylow saga and the legend of Howard Johnson, is that Howard was very passionate about a prophecy to the effect that after he passed on, a person would come along who would be a very simple person who would carry on his work. He called him "Shiloh" and said "He will have a simple mind like a child." He would visit his gravesite, and that would be one way he would be identified. He instructed his family that this person was the one to whom his hitherto undisclosed drawings and effects should be passed on to.
Mylow explains that he chose the pseudonym "Mylow" because that was his dog's name -- one of his favorites. I can say that from my vantage point of hearing about the prophecy and observing Mylow, that he is a spot-on match to the prophecy.
Some years ago, Tom Bearden tried to convince HJ that John Bedini was that person. Bedini is an extremely gifted scientist, and hardly fits the "mind of a child" description. Mylow, on the other hand, fits that description to a tee.
End of quote.
I think someone went to a lot of trouble to set up the conditions required for the take over of this material. The name, the grave, the semi-educated primitive that presented the whole deal, all had been carefully tailored to match the “Prophecyâ€! There is a good chance that the Mylow we see on camera is an actor paid to portray the "Shiloh" character.
No wonder they got so pissed off when people here and on other forums started to debunk the deal.
Anyway that is my take on it, make of it what you will.
Hans von Lieven
Hey TK, prepare to receive thy consolation prize.
Quotehttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1498 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1498)
Hi TK,
In the story I'm composing at http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
I state:
If you wish to claim the prize, you need to follow the stipulations listed at http://MylowPlans.com (requires validation in person by a credible witness who will go on record with his/her witness statement.)
It's not going to be much of a prize, as plan sales have dropped to nearly zero, for obvious reasons.
Dammit, I won that prize fair and square. We all know the intent was to reproduce a "replication" of MYLOW"S MOTOR, not come up with a running permanent magnet motor of our own.
Since Mylow himself was not required to get outside proof that his motor was running the way he said, I should not be required to make a running magnet motor to get the prize.
I replicated Mylow's disk, his magnets, his stator mount, his stator magnets, and his bird. I also exactly replicated his drive system, and I did it before the videos of HIS fishing line were published.
Well, not exactly. I used smaller motors and did not rest them on my couch. I don't even have a couch.
In addition I showed even more than Mylow did. I showed My motor reversing in a single shot video.
I reproduced all the behaviour -- self starting, long runs, stable and high max rpm, etc. and etc.
>>>>> I CLAIM THE REPLICATION PRIZE <<<<<
Or to be told in terms a simple man may understand, directly, why I am not going to get it.
If there are any TK fans left out there, I ask you this: Please send Sterling an EMAIL saying that I should get the award, if you agree.
I worked damn hard on this, as you all know.
Thanks in advance--
--TK
I am just glad to see that Sterling is not exibiting any tantrums like kicking, screaming, pounding the floor, throwing things, hitting, bitting or even holding his breath until he turns blue.
But even if he is holding his breath right now don't worry; he'll eventually come up for air and learn something from this. I have for sure.
The HJ legacy is a myth made on this very thread. There's no such legacy as common sense. What HJ did anyone can do with some time and a robotic toolkit.
He "discovered magnetism" by measuring the field at thousands of points around a magnet and plotting the data on a computer screen. Using this knowledge he then proceeded by plotting many different setups and using conventional math to come up with a design that has an asymmetrical force times distance behavior.
The only reason why this simple feat hasn't been repeated is due to ignorance. The armchair is too comfortable to leave so why bother. Such device should be available in any university with a physics course. Instead they show the wonders of magnetism with iron fillings or a compass. Are we still in the dark ages?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 04:49:34 PM
Hey TK, prepare to receive thy consolation prize.
Thanks, RB, he hasn't sent anything to me yet.
I will gladly comply with that stipulation. In fact I suggest Sterling himself come to me to look at my motor and determine for himself that it runs exactly like Mylow's. I won't turn him away with a bogus story about the MIB taking it...and I'll even buy the coffee.
And I will run it for an hour for him too.
It's really worth a download, the fishing line is in full view, you don't have to strain to see it
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
Well, not exactly. I used smaller motors and did not rest them on my couch. I don't even have a couch.
And to think you could have used the prize money to buy a couch. Or at least a cushion. Or maybe just a throw pillow.
It appears I can post again to Mylow-yahoo site. Would be good if afew people chaecked it out. Some are going of the rails again (ie like the fishing line was actually hooked to a generator!!! not a motor)
Mark
Hey look up hall effect, and hall effect probes man. Well at least you want to believe.
Quote from: broli on May 19, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
The HJ legacy is a myth made on this very thread. There's no such legacy as common sense. What HJ did anyone can do with some time and a robotic toolkit.
He "discovered magnetism" by measuring the field at thousands of points around a magnet and plotting the data on a computer screen. Using this knowledge he then proceeded by plotting many different setups and using conventional math to come up with a design that has an asymmetrical force times distance behavior.
The only reason why this simple feat hasn't been repeated is due to ignorance. The armchair is too comfortable to leave so why bother. Such device should be available in any university with a physics course. Instead they show the wonders of magnetism with iron fillings or a compass. Are we still in the dark ages?
Yes I saw that, so Mylow had his wheel driving a generator but decided to hide the generator and the lamp it was powering because he wanted to prove his motor was able to do work, genius!, why did I not think of that.
Quote from: markdansie on May 19, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
It appears I can post again to Mylow-yahoo site. Would be good if afew people chaecked it out. Some are going of the rails again (ie like the fishing line was actually hooked to a generator!!! not a motor)
Mark
Since Sterling did not have the courtesy to email me directly with that announcement, I've emailed him with this:
Hello Sterling
In a post on OU, someone put this up (I wonder why you haven't replied directly to me.)
"Hi TK,
In the story I'm composing at http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
I state:
If you wish to claim the prize, you need to follow the stipulations listed at http://MylowPlans.com (requires validation in person by a credible witness who will go on record with his/her witness statement.)"
I won this prize fair and square and you know it. You did not make Mylow get outside validation by a credible witness so I consider that condition null and void. We can have our lawyers talk about this issue if you like. But no matter--if you want to come to me personally and confirm that my wheel works just exactly like Mylow's in all significant respects, I won't turn you away or meet you in a coffee house--I will gladly run it for you for an hour.
Or perhaps you would like me to contract a certain consultant. I understand that you and he have had prior contact. Surely you will find him acceptable as a qualified witness, and I think I may be able to travel to his location with the device.
I also have posted this on overunity.com, and I will be posting this letter there as well.
Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,
--TK
Quote from: broli on May 19, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
The HJ legacy is a myth made on this very thread. There's no such legacy as common sense. What HJ did anyone can do with some time and a robotic toolkit.
He "discovered magnetism" by measuring the field at thousands of points around a magnet and plotting the data on a computer screen. Using this knowledge he then proceeded by plotting many different setups and using conventional math to come up with a design that has an asymmetrical force times distance behavior.
The only reason why this simple feat hasn't been repeated is due to ignorance. The armchair is too comfortable to leave so why bother. Such device should be available in any university with a physics course. Instead they show the wonders of magnetism with iron fillings or a compass. Are we still in the dark ages?
The reason why Johnson's techniques are not repeated in universities is simple. No-one knows what these measurements represent. The so-called forces Johnson allegedly measured only show up with this type of equipment.
In the real world magnetic behaviour is perfectly illustrated with a compass and iron filings.
Johnson says iron filings behave like little magnets and therefore do not show the forces he discovered. That may be true but in the real world any magnetic material behaves like iron filings, NOT like Johnson's model.
Hans von Lieven
"2) the video must show the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone"
ROTFLMAO. This is not a PMM, Such would be an act of GOD to change the rules of the universe. Therefore can not be a replication of an unproven claim of a PMM.
Ah to make a offer with a no way of completion. Such is a great deal for him and of course helps sell them plans.
Hell Mylows did not run on just power of magnets alone. Why the hell would folks need to change what was shown to claim the prize???
Here you go TK, as suggest by someone else
QuoteIf he can demand validation of the replication device I want to see the sale of the plans audited by a third party
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
Since Sterling did not have the courtesy to email me directly with that announcement, I've emailed him with this:
--TK
I ordered 100 rotor magnets and 4 stator magnets matching the models from Mylow's latest design. Given the whole fiasco regarding fishing line, I hope they are still useful. I'm more optimistic about the rotor magnets. Please fling any opinions my way. :-)
rotor magnets = CB-65
stator magnets = HS811N
from allmagnetics.com.
Thanx
foxpup
Tk he wants replicated what was claimed, not what was really going on. He wants the real deal, which of course does NOT exist.
He wants a fake replication of a fake PMM, rotflol, or a real PMM.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
Dammit, I won that prize fair and square. We all know the intent was to reproduce a "replication" of MYLOW"S MOTOR, not come up with a running permanent magnet motor of our own.
Since Mylow himself was not required to get outside proof that his motor was running the way he said, I should not be required to make a running magnet motor to get the prize.
I replicated Mylow's disk, his magnets, his stator mount, his stator magnets, and his bird. I also exactly replicated his drive system, and I did it before the videos of HIS fishing line were published.
Well, not exactly. I used smaller motors and did not rest them on my couch. I don't even have a couch.
In addition I showed even more than Mylow did. I showed My motor reversing in a single shot video.
I reproduced all the behaviour -- self starting, long runs, stable and high max rpm, etc. and etc.
>>>>> I CLAIM THE REPLICATION PRIZE <<<<<
Or to be told in terms a simple man may understand, directly, why I am not going to get it.
If there are any TK fans left out there, I ask you this: Please send Sterling an EMAIL saying that I should get the award, if you agree.
I worked damn hard on this, as you all know.
Thanks in advance--
--TK
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 05:09:00 PM
The reason why Johnson's techniques are not repeated in universities is simple. No-one knows what these measurements represent. The so-called forces Johnson allegedly measured only show up with this type of equipment.
In the real world magnetic behaviour is perfectly illustrated with a compass and iron filings.
Johnson says iron filings behave like little magnets and therefore do not show the forces he discovered. That may be true but in the real world any magnetic material behaves like iron filings, NOT like Johnson's model.
Hans von Lieven
Fillings or a compass do
NOT show the strength of a field they tell you the direction. From what I've read about HJ he discovered the the field is not as uniform as people say it is.
Quote from: foxpup on May 19, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
I ordered 100 rotor magnets and 4 stator magnets matching the models from Mylow's latest design. Given the whole fiasco regarding fishing line, I hope they are still useful. I'm more optimistic about the rotor magnets. Please fling any opinions my way. :-)
rotor magnets = CB-65
stator magnets = HS811N
from allmagnetics.com.
Thanx
foxpup
You forgot one item:
TriLene, 6 lb test (or 3 lb), one 200 meter spool.
From your local sporting goods store, about 3 dollars US.
@foxpup, wait for the next crop circle to show up before building ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
Dammit, I won that prize fair and square. We all know the intent was to reproduce a "replication" of MYLOW"S MOTOR, not come up with a running permanent magnet motor of our own.
Since Mylow himself was not required to get outside proof that his motor was running the way he said, I should not be required to make a running magnet motor to get the prize.
I replicated Mylow's disk, his magnets, his stator mount, his stator magnets, and his bird. I also exactly replicated his drive system, and I did it before the videos of HIS fishing line were published.
Well, not exactly. I used smaller motors and did not rest them on my couch. I don't even have a couch.
In addition I showed even more than Mylow did. I showed My motor reversing in a single shot video.
I reproduced all the behaviour -- self starting, long runs, stable and high max rpm, etc. and etc.
>>>>> I CLAIM THE REPLICATION PRIZE <<<<<
Or to be told in terms a simple man may understand, directly, why I am not going to get it.
If there are any TK fans left out there, I ask you this: Please send Sterling an EMAIL saying that I should get the award, if you agree.
I worked damn hard on this, as you all know.
Thanks in advance--
--TK
Well, you replication was Ok... ;)
But your bird replica sucks.... It was too passive.. Cute, but no life in it....
And you thought we will buy it...?
Just watch when ML comes with another video.
This time, a real deal for sure. Original pre-MiB production.
That's a reason why you may not win this prize afterall...
:P
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 19, 2009, 05:17:40 PM
Tk he wants replicated what was claimed, not what was really going on. He wants the real deal, which of course does NOT exist.
He wants a fake replication of a fake PMM, rotflol, or a real PMM.
I know what he wants, and I also know that I'm not going to get the prize. But I'm going to make a big deal about it, maybe even go to mainstream media about it. I am PISSED OFF, and any Aussie can tell you that Koalas are mean and nasty when they get PISSED OFF. Plus, they hang on, tight.
Well to learn form all of this, I would advise playing with different configurations than shown. You will need the stator to be able to move. Hmm maybe a gravity assist pendulum or some such thing. Pmm as shown here simply do not exist today.
Yet some devices will show interesting behavior. You will need to get an asymmetrical layout with some sort of motion to what ever drive magnet you can decide on.
What to tell you. You got them magnets. Play and learn what they will do and will not do. To say you will get a working PMM. Do not expect to. But who knows you might observe or measure some thing folks have missed.
Quote from: foxpup on May 19, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
I ordered 100 rotor magnets and 4 stator magnets matching the models from Mylow's latest design. Given the whole fiasco regarding fishing line, I hope they are still useful. I'm more optimistic about the rotor magnets. Please fling any opinions my way. :-)
rotor magnets = CB-65
stator magnets = HS811N
from allmagnetics.com.
Thanx
foxpup
Hang on a mo!, it is well understood that the fields from magnets are not uniform, not unless you've somehow found a way to create a precision magnet.
Even in the presence of wood, water, pick a material or even a diamagnetic like the human body , the field uniformity will be affected, it's not a major effect, but it's still effected.
Quote from: broli on May 19, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
Fillings or a compass do NOT show the strength of a field they tell you the direction. From what I've read about HJ he discovered the the field is not as uniform as people say it is.
Ok I will bite: How do you measure such???
Quote from: broli on May 19, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
Fillings or a compass do NOT show the strength of a field they tell you the direction. From what I've read about HJ he discovered the the field is not as uniform as people say it is.
@ TK
You are right, Koala's can get pretty loud and aggresive...especially around mating season (it it mating season your way) .My daughter loves your talking birds. You are quite the entertainer.
@Hans
please post your theory over at mylowyahoo groups on whta might have been Mylows motives. Its funny ,I know that crossed my mind a few times and I am sure a few others.
Was Sterling in on it as well? i know Sterling has upset the JB club.
Mark
I posted the same thing several pages back:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179953#msg179953 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179953#msg179953)
(apparently that was just yesterday? seems like it was a few days ago...).
I did forget/leave out the part about the grave visit though, so thanks for adding that.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
G’day all,
I have been thinking for a long time what was the motivation behind the Mylow scam. Here is my theory of what might be behind it.
I am inclined to believe that this entire thing was an elaborate scheme to claim Howard Johnson’s legacy. There is little doubt that this legacy exists and contains Johnson’s undisclosed writings as well as drawings and other effects etc.
Sterling Alan writes in his article “How does Mylow get his all-magnet motor to work?â€
( Source http://pesn.com/2009/05/16/9501541_How_Does_Mylow_Do_It/ )
Is Mylow Shiloh?
One thing that has become clear to me as I've been covering this Mylow saga and the legend of Howard Johnson, is that Howard was very passionate about a prophecy to the effect that after he passed on, a person would come along who would be a very simple person who would carry on his work. He called him "Shiloh" and said "He will have a simple mind like a child." He would visit his gravesite, and that would be one way he would be identified. He instructed his family that this person was the one to whom his hitherto undisclosed drawings and effects should be passed on to.
Mylow explains that he chose the pseudonym "Mylow" because that was his dog's name -- one of his favorites. I can say that from my vantage point of hearing about the prophecy and observing Mylow, that he is a spot-on match to the prophecy.
Some years ago, Tom Bearden tried to convince HJ that John Bedini was that person. Bedini is an extremely gifted scientist, and hardly fits the "mind of a child" description. Mylow, on the other hand, fits that description to a tee.
End of quote.
I think someone went to a lot of trouble to set up the conditions required for the take over of this material. The name, the grave, the semi-educated primitive that presented the whole deal, all had been carefully tailored to match the “Prophecyâ€! There is a good chance that the Mylow we see on camera is an actor paid to portray the "Shiloh" character.
No wonder they got so pissed off when people here and on other forums started to debunk the deal.
Anyway that is my take on it, make of it what you will.
Hans von Lieven
Sorry Psyclone, I missed that post of yours. Good to see I am not the only one suspecting this.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 05:51:24 PM
Sorry Psyclone, I missed that post of yours. Good to see I am not the only one suspecting this.
Hans von Lieven
Np :). BTW, I did mention the visit to the grave, but not the part about that also being part of the "Shiloh Prophecy"... which gives an even better reason/motive for the trip.
Hmm...
http://pesn.com/2009/05/08/9501539_Mylow_visits_Howard_Johnson_gravesite/ (http://pesn.com/2009/05/08/9501539_Mylow_visits_Howard_Johnson_gravesite/)
...it sounds like the origin(?) of the "Shiloh Prophecy" - or at least parts of it - was relayed by the person who lives in/near Blacksburg (ALFPARTS?) -> to Mylow and then -> to Sterling, according to the text at the above link, anyway.
EDIT: ...of course the grave visit was on May 5th - well after the known 'fake' videos were being uploaded, so the sincerity (and drama) of the event also comes into question under that light (taking his mental state into account, of course, relative to whatever the 'true' total story turns out to be). ...then again, so does the fact that it was 'filmed' and posted in the first place.
I agree that TK deserves the prize beyond the shadow of the string. Undeniably.
As for the first vids being the real motor and after the mib, them being fake, I dont buy it. At fizzx, I have claimed from the beginning that something was wrong with mylow. He was playing the shell game with us, Mr Hand. I took some flack about it and was ignored a bit.
Well looky what happened. I admit that a few vids had me lean the other way for a bit at times, as Im sure most felt that way.
But TK took the initiative to go full bore and ended it all.
I admire that just as much and more than the efforts the replicators. I feel for the replicators and TKs losses through all this.
But now, the TRUE motive and meaning of why mylow did it all, and went so far with it, is the last chapter. Will this come about, truthfully? Dunno
Magluvin
Lumon and Clanzer got me curious about the eddy currents, and for the die hards that think mylow version one worked, this is a video concerning stator magnet placement, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6DOo932Ro
Tk wins by TKO!!
Magluvin
I'm getting "This video is private"
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 06:13:53 PM
Lumon and Clanzer got me curious about the eddy currents, and for the die hards that think mylow version one worked, this is a video concerning stator magnet placement, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6DOo932Ro
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
And yet still offers for sale plans to Mylow Magnet Motor High-Res. Videos Download Access and plans (http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/Videos/index.html).
A victim he maybe, but he is milking it for sure.
The Ads are still on the website because he hasn't had the time to take them off. He's too busy trying to board up the windows. There's a whole lot more to this profiteering that people realize. I wonder how many people actually realize what 'open-source' really means?
oops sorry!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6DOo932Ro
If he had taken then down the moment Mylows prank was exposed, he would not need to board the windows up.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 19, 2009, 06:36:33 PM
The Ads are still on the website because he hasn't had the time to take them off. He's too busy trying to board up the windows
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 06:40:48 PM
Mee too.
:'(
Works fine for me. I guess you're just not on the list yet.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
If he had taken then down the moment Mylows prank was exposed, he would not need to board the windows up.
True, but he had alreadly left town - ha ha :) I told him the stuff was gonna hit the fan,
@ TK, could you do a run down test for me. I hate to impose, but i think we would all like it. Run down your disk blank, then run down with a mag north facing it, then south facing it. If u do it , thanx a bunch !!
Those strings are so clear on the hi def video, you can even see them while he's kneeling down giving his 'I don't know how this works, everybody, I'm just a poor truck driver from Chicago' spiel. And I don't even have a hi def monitor.
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
@ TK, could you do a run down test for me. I hate to impose, but i think we would all like it. Run down your disk blank, then run down with a mag north facing it, then south facing it. If u do it , thanx a bunch !!
I will, I watched your vid, I think it's a worthwhile test to do. I can use a strong Neo or a weaker but larger ceramic magnet. Or maybe both.
I don't know if I'll get to it tonight. I'm pretty tired. But I'll do it either late tonight (after my naptime) or tomorrow.
The "North" pole of a magnet is the one that the "North" compass needle points to, or the South needle? I never have gotten that straight with PMs. Regardless, I will use a good compass to determine the magnet's polarity and I'll tell or show which pole-naming convention I use.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
Those strings are so clear on the hi def video, you can even see them while he's kneeling down giving his 'I don't know how this works, everybody, I'm just a poor truck driver from Chicago' spiel. And I don't even have a hi def monitor.
I hope you didn't have to pay for the video copy.
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
@ TK, could you do a run down test for me. I hate to impose, but i think we would all like it. Run down your disk blank, then run down with a mag north facing it, then south facing it. If u do it , thanx a bunch !!
...I'm just a casual observer in all of this, but I would 'second' the above request - and I'm thinking that TK might actually be interested himself enough to try it. The magnets are clearly reacting (interacting) differently with the aluminum based on orientation, but it's unclear whether that 'drag' state or the more 'repulsive' state would be more benificial (or effectively cancel each other out - just a question of which direction?).
Either way, it looks like an area that should be investigated further - whether it applies to this particular project or future ones.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
I hope you didn't have to pay for the video copy.
Sterling was kind enough (lol) to post a link to torrents of the files
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
@Hans:
I have been accused of "never seeing a conspiracy theory i didn't like" in the past, lol ... But it's not quite true ;)
The motive for this one is escaping me (...except for the most obvious one of dis'ing Sterling some more, lol).
So if i understand it correctly: Just by showing a NON-WORKING motor replication for a HJ design that you earlier claimed "never worked", that Sterling could somehow "steal Howard Johnson's legacy".... A little convoluted , no? Would not a verification be required, somewhere along that twisty road first for him to get anywhere?
if you believe HJ's stuff was all bunk anyway (as you have earlier stated in previous posts), then how could it ever work? We are talking a significant budget and a lot if time to do this plan (... Really a "criminal enterprise" as you describe it, it being defined as "fraud").
Plus, by my reports while investigating this topic for an article, "Mylow" met with at least one concerned person while in Virginia. According to my source in the interview, the person representing himself in this meeting as Mylow was not an "actor", unless the mylow character was the same actor all along (from the video of 1 year ago as well).
But hey , i agree this part about actors is actually possible if it was all a "psy-ops" scam designed to piss in our soup from the very start. In fact, with the right connections, it's possible a video that was dated incorrectly could have been posted only a few months ago and not the whole year (unless someone here remembers seeing it back then).
But your scenario would have at least 6 or 7 people lying about it. That's a lot of people to pay-off, for questionable gains.
And frankly it's rather hard to be a "naysayer", and then come up with reasons why these "non-viable" technologies can make others rich... No one pays any significant money for non-working stuff as simple in design as this. Sterling is not getting rich off of these plans or videos, that's for sure. And to get anything beyond that, he would of course need a WORKING device. It's "a bridge too far" to expect him to stake everything without knowing if it all worked first (and in the scenario you suggest, he really would be staking everything on this, risking his career and even prison on such a gamble).
Meh, it seems a little too far-fetched to me for him to just THINK it was viable, but to go ahead on such a dangerous plan without knowing it for sure. He would have to be an out-of-control gambler and utterly desperate.
So sorry; that one doesn't quite add up imo... Partially because my "interviewee" told me they are convinced Mylow knows certain aspects of magnetics that he couldn't have known otherwise without studying it for a long time (or i guess, by possibly being well-briefed by a professional). It seems too risky to allow a "fake mylow" to meet with this person. I won't give out the name without permission.
Although, i do think more and more critically-thinking people are starting to realize there IS something very strange and "wrong" about the entire thing (beyond the obvious hoax of the strings); something that is not yet visible to us. I don't pretend to know what it is, just that it smells bad lol. I don't think looking to Sterling as the "mastermind" behind it all is going to help though, just my opinion.
I had a discussion with my friend. I told him that Mylow shouldn't take the whole blame for orchestrating that fraud. In fact, I pin only 10% of the share on Mylow, 20% on Sterling, and 70% on the blind followers or believers.
He disagreed with me because he thought I was being too generous to Mylow. I said it's not that I have any sympaty for the hoax perpatrotor but look at it from his point of view. He uploads a fake video on the internet and all the sudden he becomes famous. The followers ask for more and Sterling sees an opportunity for capitalization. Who in the world would refuse such adoration from the faithful. The guy becomes a professor, a guru, and a demigod overnight. Why should he refuse to satisfy his followers?
He clearly states several times that he is not an idiot but he accepts to be called a liar. The followers interpret this as Mylow being sarcastic. He told them several times the device is fake. The followers interpret this as Mylow being sarcastic. He told them here is the motor and the battery I use. They still refuse to believe that the guy was a fake. Even to this day, they still believe the original videos are true and that the MIB forces Mylow into making the fake videos.
He went and desecrated HJ's tomb. The believers call him Siloh! If he told them to jump from the 25th floor, they will do so gladly. What else a guy to do?
I am saying if you study well the followers and believers behavior, Mylow, the fraud artist almost shouldn't be blamed.
Miki out.
@TK, Thanx, normally i would do this myself if i was home in my shop. I'm not concerned with n/s poles, i am interested in the reaction on an aluminum round plate. fyi, I float my mags ( while i'm fishing) to find true n/s. Thanx.
9 are listed here http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 07:15:47 PM
Sterling was kind enough (lol) to post a link to torrents of the files
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
Quote from: Psyclone on May 19, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
...I'm just a casual observer in all of this, but I would 'second' the above request - and I'm thinking that TK might actually be interested himself enough to try it. The magnets are clearly reacting (interacting) differently with the aluminum based on orientation, but it's unclear whether that 'drag' state or the more 'repulsive' state would be more benificial (or effectively cancel each other out - just a question of which direction?).
Either way, it looks like an area that should be investigated further - whether it applies to this particular project or future ones.
Meeee tooo! and I don't even know what's going on!
Quote from: miki02131 on May 19, 2009, 07:21:02 PM
Why should he refuse to satisfy his followers?
By having scruples as big as his cajones.
@ jibbguy,
First of all I never accused anyone specific.
I have merely quoted sources and drew some conclusions.
All I said is that in this whole mess from beginning to end the agenda of this thread has been unclear to me until now.
All the shenanigans can be accounted for, too bad they got sprung, which is something they probably didn't reckon with.
The Shiloh prophecy is no myth, it was stated beforehand and it looks to me someone engineered some events to justify a claim!
There are a number of people that would give a lot to get access to the material Howard left for his successor, the prophesied Shiloh.
A lot of effort went into trying to convince people that Mylow is that person.
Make up your own mind.
Hans von Lieven
@miki
It reminds me of the film the life of Brian. Everyone thought Brian was the messiah, but he was just a very naughtyboy. I think Mylow is the Brian in this tradgedy.
@ hans...can I copy a couple of your posts and put them up on the Yahhoo Mylow site...will compliment the theories being developed over there.
Mark
Go for it Mark, you have my blessing ;D
Hans
Quote from: lumen on May 17, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
@Maw
Keep increasing the incline until the south pole side starts falling off then switch over to the north pole side. You will see it still grabbing the plate. Increase it further until it just starts to fall off and then switch back to the south pole side and it won't even make it an inch before falling off.
Using another large plate 1" thick X 8." X 36" of a different alloy, I did get the same effect and also did some time tests to determine which way would drag more. The results are even stranger, they both time almost the same (as near as I can test) sliding down the entire length would take just under 12 seconds. If anything it's the north side taking longer which is opposite of what you would think since it seems the south side is dragging more.
I just made a little video of my replication of this phenomenon. Thanks, lumen and x00000000013 for drawing my attention to it. I don't have any idea why it does this.
Pretty dang cool.
Can you see the fishing line? ;D
And I'll be doing the other suggested eddy test on the wheel in a few hours.
(Oh, and this topic definitely deserves its own thread...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtJsYVSswo
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 07:21:51 PM
@TK, Thanx, normally i would do this myself if i was home in my shop. I'm not concerned with n/s poles, i am interested in the reaction on an aluminum round plate. fyi, I float my mags ( while i'm fishing) to find true n/s. Thanx.
Your magnets float? wow. I'll bet that scares the fish. I know it would scare me.
:D
(So is the north pole of the magnet the one that points to the North? Which, I understand is a south magnetic pole, er... I get confused easily on this particular topic. And some others. Especially the female ones, they really confuse me. )
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 07:28:35 PM
@ jibbguy,
First of all I never accused anyone specific.
I have merely quoted sources and drew some conclusions.
All I said is that in this whole mess from beginning to end the agenda of this thread has been unclear to me until now.
All the shenanigans can be accounted for, too bad they got sprung, which is something they probably didn't reckon with.
The Shiloh prophecy is no myth, it was stated beforehand and it looks to me someone engineered some events to justify a claim!
There are a number of people that would give a lot to get access to the material Howard left for his successor, the prophesied Shiloh.
A lot of effort went into trying to convince people that Mylow is that person.
Make up your own mind.
Hans von Lieven
It sure is a theory that appears to account for a LOT of the observations.
How can we test it, at this remove?
(Personally I think it's the best one yet...)
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
it is a positive start... just one thing to come n appology to Stephan and all the Hoodlems at overunity.com
Here is a theory
South pole sliding down, may be causing an attracting force from the aluminum, and vice verse.
But my guess would be doing a rundown for each pole facing the aluminum, should be the same drag either way.
But, what will be very interesting is to measure the attraction and the repulsion by the different poles.
Maybe have the magnet in a tube dangling from a loose spring and I bet the magnet lowers or rises depending on the pole that is facing the moving rotor.
Wutcha think TK?
Magluvin
Edited for stupidity
Quote from: jibbguy on May 19, 2009, 07:17:09 PM
@Hans:
I have been accused of "never seeing a conspiracy theory i didn't like" in the past, lol ... But it's not quite true ;)
The motive for this one is escaping me (...except for the most obvious one of dis'ing Sterling some more, lol).
So if i understand it correctly: Just by showing a NON-WORKING motor replication for a HJ design that you earlier claimed "never worked", that Sterling could somehow "steal Howard Johnson's legacy".... A little convoluted , no? Would not a verification be required, somewhere along that twisty road first for him to get anywhere?
if you believe HJ's stuff was all bunk anyway (as you have earlier stated in previous posts), then how could it ever work? We are talking a significant budget and a lot if time to do this plan (... Really a "criminal enterprise" as you describe it, it being defined as "fraud").
Plus, by my reports while investigating this topic for an article, "Mylow" met with at least one concerned person while in Virginia. According to my source in the interview, the person representing himself in this meeting as Mylow was not an "actor", unless the mylow character was the same actor all along (from the video of 1 year ago as well).
But hey , i agree this part about actors is actually possible if it was all a "psy-ops" scam designed to piss in our soup from the very start. In fact, with the right connections, it's possible a video that was dated incorrectly could have been posted only a few months ago and not the whole year (unless someone here remembers seeing it back then).
But your scenario would have at least 6 or 7 people lying about it. That's a lot of people to pay-off, for questionable gains.
And frankly it's rather hard to be a "naysayer", and then come up with reasons why these "non-viable" technologies can make others rich... No one pays any significant money for non-working stuff as simple in design as this. Sterling is not getting rich off of these plans or videos, that's for sure. And to get anything beyond that, he would of course need a WORKING device. It's "a bridge too far" to expect him to stake everything without knowing if it all worked first (and in the scenario you suggest, he really would be staking everything on this, risking his career and even prison on such a gamble).
Meh, it seems a little too far-fetched to me for him to just THINK it was viable, but to go ahead on such a dangerous plan without knowing it for sure. He would have to be an out-of-control gambler and utterly desperate.
So sorry; that one doesn't quite add up imo... Partially because my "interviewee" told me they are convinced Mylow knows certain aspects of magnetics that he couldn't have known otherwise without studying it for a long time (or i guess, by possibly being well-briefed by a professional). It seems too risky to allow a "fake mylow" to meet with this person. I won't give out the name without permission.
Although, i do think more and more critically-thinking people are starting to realize there IS something very strange and "wrong" about the entire thing (beyond the obvious hoax of the strings); something that is not yet visible to us. I don't pretend to know what it is, just that it smells bad lol. I don't think looking to Sterling as the "mastermind" behind it all is going to help though, just my opinion.
Sterling isn't the 'mastermind' but he is likely a 'player' :)
Quote from: Magluvin on May 19, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
Here is a theory
South pole sliding down, may be causing an attracting force from the aluminum, and vice verse.
But my guess would be doing a rundown for each pole facing the aluminum, should be the same drag either way.
But, what will be very interesting is to measure the attraction and the repulsion by the different poles.
Maybe have the magnet in a tube dangling from a loose spring and I bet the magnet lowers or rises depending on the pole that is facing the moving rotor.
Wutcha think TK?
Magluvin
Edited for stupidity
We are on the same wavelength. In a comment that I just wrote (before I saw this post!) on the above vid, I am thinking that I now do have a theoretical explanation, and to test it I need to arrange the magnet to climb the plate or bar rather than descend. Like pull it up with...er....what could I pull it up with I wonder.... ;)
If the opposite pole jumps off, then Lenz is supported and the effect is not so weird anymore, I think. If the same pole jumps off then we may have the beginnings of a UFO drive.
Or not, it all depends.
TK:
My understanding is that the south pole of a magnet is the one that points to the north....you know, opposites attract. I believe this is the generally accepted method of labeling them. If you use a compass, the pole that attracts the north facing dial is the south pole.
Bill
Al, will you kindly lay out the specifics of your theory instead of making cryptic comments. Tyvm.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 19, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
TK:
My understanding is that the south pole of a magnet is the one that points to the north....you know, opposites attract. I believe this is the generally accepted method of labeling them. If you use a compass, the pole that attracts the north facing dial is the south pole.
Bill
I simply cannot believe that TK does not own a $25 pole finder. The world is spinning in the wrong direction, I want to get off.
Quote from: Magluvin on May 19, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
Here is a theory
South pole sliding down, may be causing an attracting force from the aluminum, and vice verse.
But my guess would be doing a rundown for each pole facing the aluminum, should be the same drag either way.
But, what will be very interesting is to measure the attraction and the repulsion by the different poles.
Maybe have the magnet in a tube dangling from a loose spring and I bet the magnet lowers or rises depending on the pole that is facing the moving rotor.
Wutcha think TK?
Magluvin
Edited for stupidity
I believe that there is no attraction in eddie current. The eddie current in the aluminum or copper will only create the exact pole that is facing it.
As for my thought on what is happening is that you guys have physically proved that one pole is stronger than the other. The weaker pole is not strong enough to make enough eddie currents to slow the fall. I think? :-\
Nice demo TK, now you got me looking for copper or aluminum do to this experiment, it really is a curiosity, it's as though during travel eddy currents only happen in one direction despite magnetic pole orientation, the side that falls off the fastest appears to be repulsed away.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 08:14:06 PM
I just made a little video of my replication of this phenomenon. Thanks, lumen and x00000000013 for drawing my attention to it. I don't have any idea why it does this.
Pretty dang cool.
Can you see the fishing line? ;D
And I'll be doing the other suggested eddy test on the wheel in a few hours.
(Oh, and this topic definitely deserves its own thread...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtJsYVSswo
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 08:50:22 PM
Al, will you kindly lay out the specifics of your theory instead of making cryptic comments. Tyvm.
Sure. After I've tested it and can formulate it more clearly. Right now it's sort of a cloud in my mind, and I hate the taste of shoe leather.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 19, 2009, 08:54:45 PM
I believe that there is no attraction in eddie current. The eddie current in the aluminum or copper will only create the exact pole that is facing it.
As for my thought on what is happening is that you guys have physically proved that one pole is stronger than the other. The weaker pole is not strong enough to make enough eddie currents to slow the fall. I think? :-\
No, the silly thing actually JUMPS off the bar, for me. I think you can see this in the video, maybe. And at the lower angles the rate of slide seems about the same. I've obviously not measured this but with video it should be easy.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
Sure. After I've tested it and can formulate it more clearly. Right now it's sort of a cloud in my mind, and I hate the taste of shoe leather.
Sorry I didn't realize your name was Al. I was referring to ALFPARTS, aka Al Witherspoon.
I don't know whether Sterling wrote this but it's on his site:
(Begin quote)
" Some keen observers have pointed out a cheater device, which when noticed becomes blatantly obvious: a drive mechanism via fish line. Was Mylow forced to do that as a ploy to discredit the entire operation which actually had some legitimate stuff, or was it all a strange hoax?
by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
(snip)
Yesterday, TinselKoala posted a video showing how he got his Mylow replica motor to spin via the fish line attached via pulley to a motor. He has actually posted several videos, beginning two days ago, including one where the motor was 30 feet away, in another room, and still able to drive the motor. He therefore requested recognition as being the first person to replicate Mylow's motor, an accomplishment apparently merited, at least for the April 29-May 3 set shown by Mylow. "
(End Quote)
Whoopee!
Now, we shall see.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:03:20 PM
Sorry I didn't realize your name was Al. I was referring to ALFPARTS, aka Al Witherspoon.
oops...sorry.
--Alek Talison
(spits out the leather taste...)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:03:20 PM
Sorry I didn't realize your name was Al. I was referring to ALFPARTS, aka Al Witherspoon.
LOL freudian slip! :)
Can someone please explain to me how magnet experimenter extraordinaire TK does not own a $25 magnet pole tester...
It's turning my brain into guacamole
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 09:00:54 PM
No, the silly thing actually JUMPS off the bar, for me. I think you can see this in the video, maybe. And at the lower angles the rate of slide seems about the same. I've obviously not measured this but with video it should be easy.
Right, at higher angles the magnet will fall faster which it would need more eddie currents. The jumping part might be that the stronger pole is trying to take over and the magnet will start to tumble which will make it jump. I think that we need to scale up so that it will not try to tumble .
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
Can someone please explain to me how magnet experimenter extraordinaire TK does not own a $25 magnet pole tester...
It's turning my brain into guacamole
Did you watch the video?
I paid somewhat less for the one on the left. The one on the right was about that much. The electronic ones are at an undisclosed location, and I have a bag full of Hall sensors under the mess somewhere...and moss grows on the north side of trees around here, so I just need to get some moss...then Bob's yer Uncle.
It's not that I can't identify them, I'm just not sure what to call them. So blue and silver works for me, I show which the compass wants to point to, and you can figure out the rest on your own.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 09:04:17 PM
I don't know whether Sterling wrote this but it's on his site:
(Begin quote)
" Some keen observers have pointed out a cheater device, which when noticed becomes blatantly obvious: a drive mechanism via fish line. Was Mylow forced to do that as a ploy to discredit the entire operation which actually had some legitimate stuff, or was it all a strange hoax?
by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
(snip)
Yesterday, TinselKoala posted a video showing how he got his Mylow replica motor to spin via the fish line attached via pulley to a motor. He has actually posted several videos, beginning two days ago, including one where the motor was 30 feet away, in another room, and still able to drive the motor. He therefore requested recognition as being the first person to replicate Mylow's motor, an accomplishment apparently merited, at least for the April 29-May 3 set shown by Mylow. "
(End Quote)
Whoopee!
Now, we shall see.
You didn't finish the quote --
"If you wish to claim the prize, you need to follow the stipulations listed at http://MylowPlans.com (requires validation in person by a credible witness who will go on record with his/her witness statement.)
It's not going to be much of a prize, as plan sales have dropped to nearly zero, for obvious reasons.
Sterling"
It kind of changes the meaning does it not?
Oh will, good luck anyways
Pete
@ NYTUBER, HI
Wow TK, tuff crowd, thanx 4 ur last vid, i look foward to the wind down test vid if u have time, part two of mine, @nytuber ( BLUE SIDE IS NICE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Quote from: vonwolf on May 19, 2009, 09:13:16 PM
You didn't finish the quote --
"If you wish to claim the prize, you need to follow the stipulations listed at http://MylowPlans.com (requires validation in person by a credible witness who will go on record with his/her witness statement.)
It's not going to be much of a prize, as plan sales have dropped to nearly zero, for obvious reasons.
Sterling"
It kind of changes the meaning does it not?
Oh will, good luck anyways
Pete
Yeah, that's in there somewhere. In email to Sterling I invited him to come and see it himself, or I can hire a respected consultant who is known to Sterling to vet it, if he is available and if I can afford it.
What I cannot do is make it run, and duplicate all effects shown by Mylow, by means other than what Mylow used, and several other means, none of which violate any physical principles or laws. (Does that sentence parse properly? I dunno)
But if he thinks I'm going to show him a magnet motor that runs itself, that I won't be doing. It's out of my hands. Entirely.
But since Mylow didn't have to do that, neither should I, I maintain.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
Did you watch the video?
I paid somewhat less for the one on the left. The one on the right was about that much. The electronic ones are at an undisclosed location, and I have a bag full of Hall sensors under the mess somewhere...and moss grows on the north side of trees around here, so I just need to get some moss...then Bob's yer Uncle.
It's not that I can't identify them, I'm just not sure what to call them. So blue and silver works for me, I show which the compass wants to point to, and you can figure out the rest on your own.
Sorry I wasnt up to speed.
You'll excuse my paranoia, the Mylow thing fried several key synapses in my frontal lobe. I'm trying to restore them with carrot juice and a dash of ginger.
Seriously though, as a novice in all of this ( I came here through following the Steorn scam) I would love to be able to make an intelligent speculation as to why this effect shows up. Forgive me if this is a dumb comment, but could it have to do with electron (negative) spin within the metal affecting the negative magnet pole differently than the positive, when in motion in relation to electron vectors within and around the magnet and within the metal? If that makes any sense at all.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
Yeah, that's in there somewhere. In email to Sterling I invited him to come and see it himself, or I can hire a respected consultant who is known to Sterling to vet it, if he is available and if I can afford it.
What I cannot do is make it run, and duplicate all effects shown by Mylow, by means other than what Mylow used, and several other means, none of which violate any physical principles or laws.
But if he thinks I'm going to show him a magnet motor that runs itself, that I won't be doing. It's out of my hands. Entirely.
But since Mylow didn't have to do that, neither should I, I maintain.
Thats my point, he is after the real thing. No jokes no "lol" just what every one is allegedly after a true magnet motor, weather mylow did it or not.
I do not beleave you really think he is trying to see how many fakes you can come up with.
Pete
But He does own TWO Compasses! Now that is fabulous...
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
@ NYTUBER, HI
Wow TK, tuff crowd, thanx 4 ur last vid, i look foward to the wind down test vid if u have time, part two of mine, @nytuber ( BLUE SIDE IS NICE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Could I just do data and graphs? Watching a 10-minute rundown video is even less exciting than hearing your blind date puking in the closet (instead of the bathroom...)
Well, almost.
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
@ NYTUBER, HI
Wow TK, tuff crowd, thanx 4 ur last vid, i look foward to the wind down test vid if u have time, part two of mine, @nytuber ( BLUE SIDE IS NICE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Very cool videos about this new magnetic phenomena. TK, your sliding the magnet up may be the answer! Cool idea.
Unless I missed something, It looks like all the tests so far have been keeping the aluminum or copper on the same side. i.e. The magnet is always falling to the right of the screen with the metal on the left, with out trying the opposite (metal on left and magnet falling to the right.
In the latest of X00013. The tests show the magnet always fall to the front. Maybe switching things 180 degree around may also show something?? Hope that makes sense...
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: X00013 on May 19, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
@ NYTUBER, HI
Wow TK, tuff crowd, thanx 4 ur last vid, i look foward to the wind down test vid if u have time, part two of mine, @nytuber ( BLUE SIDE IS NICE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Very interesting stuff, thanks for the videos
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:28:19 PM
Sorry I wasnt up to speed.
You'll excuse my paranoia, the Mylow thing fried several key synapses in my frontal lobe. I'm trying to restore them with carrot juice and a dash of ginger.
Seriously though, as a novice in all of this ( I came here through following the Steorn scam) I would love to be able to make an intelligent speculation as to why this effect shows up. Forgive me if this is a dumb comment, but could it have to do with electron (negative) spin within the metal affecting the negative magnet pole differently than the positive, when in motion in relation to electron vectors within and around the magnet and within the metal? If that makes any sense at all.
Makes sense, at least I understand all the words, and most of the phrases are in English, I can tell that...
Hopefully if I can figure out how to make the magnet Climb instead of fall, we will have a bit more data to throw into the speculatorator.
Carrot juice and ginger? Sounds really good to me. I think I'll add just one more bittle litty indegrient, though...erp.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 09:31:54 PM
Could I just do data and graphs? Watching a 10-minute rundown video is even less exciting than hearing your blind date puking in the closet (instead of the bathroom...)
Well, almost.
What do you expect from a
BLIND date anyway? ;D Smell the bathroom?
Hans
(spews his carrot juice all over the keyboard...)
tears in my eyes...
@X00013
It takes me a while but I can see now why those wind down tests are important. Very very nice.
Mylow said south pole down. We shall see.
I am always playing catchup.
Take care.
nap
What the heck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElldY0TKJI
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:59:16 PM
What the heck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElldY0TKJI
Looks like not a steep enough fall in his video.... Obviously...
Just did a quick test, ( I had to have my aluminum almost 100% vertical to see a difference) and I think my turning everything 180 degrees won't matter, it was hard to tell. Need a new small strong magnet. "Stay tuned" as the late JM (inventor of the TuneCharger) would have said....
Thanks,
Joe
He did not get any difference because he kept the same angle for all tests.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 09:59:16 PM
What the heck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElldY0TKJI
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 19, 2009, 10:08:52 PM
Looks like not a steep enough fall in his video.... Obviously...
Just did a quick test, ( I had to have my aluminum almost 100% vertical to see a difference) and I think my turning everything 180 degrees won't matter, it was hard to tell. Need a new small strong magnet. "Stay tuned" as the late JM (inventor of the TuneCharger) would have said....
Thanks,
Joe
Was thinking the same thing, but it looks like pretty much the same angle as x00013's video. You would think some effect would be seen at this angle, no?
Looks like he used thinner magnets and they were much smaller relative to the size of the aluminum bar.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Was thinking the same thing, but it looks like pretty much the same angle as x00013's video. You would think some effect would be seen at this angle, no?
Guess the magnet's strength is as important as the angle. Still think rotating the test could show a difference... Still a theory. Probably wrong. Looking for a good magnet!
Joe
The effect shows up @ 85 degrees according to k4zep.
I've not found my bits n pieces yet, but I'd say the angle will depend on weight and shape of the magnet, including it's field strength.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
The effect shows up @ 85 degrees according to k4zep.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 19, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
I've not found my bits n pieces yet, but I'd say the angle will depend on weight and shape of the magnet, including it's field strength.
Might it also depend on the thickness/density of the aluminum/copper?
I tried sliding a neo. magnet down a piece of aluminum and I found,
that the magnet starts to tumble every time I quickly turn the magnet
around and try letting it slide down.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 19, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
Might it also depend on the thickness/density of the aluminum/copper?
Sure, why not all those things just mentioned.
At least we know we can trust these types of experimental videos ... Until the magnet starts going UP the aluminum all by itself :)
Joe
removed, since Abba removed his--nothing to worry about
I just tried it again and it seems that it is only one side that does the
flipping over. I got mixed up with which side I used.
So I removed that post.
The aluminum bar I'm using is one inch wide and 1/8 inch thick 4ft long.
The magnet I'm using is 1/2 inch diam. 1/8 inch thick with a hole
through the middle of it.
Very much so, the thicker the material the higher it's conductivity, and of course copper is a better conductor than aluminum.
I'm just trying to think of a use this could be to.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 19, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
Might it also depend on the thickness/density of the aluminum/copper?
Quote from: AbbaRue on May 19, 2009, 10:36:52 PM
I tried sliding a neo. magnet down a piece of aluminum and I found,
that the magnet starts to tumble every time I quickly turn the magnet
around and try letting it slide down.
I seem to be unable to reproduce this effect with my copper bar. I don't have any suitable aluminum at hand. Tomorrow...
Quote from: AbbaRue on May 19, 2009, 10:41:32 PM
I just tried it again and it seems that it is only one side that does the
flipping over. I got mixed up with which side I used.
So I removed that post.
Darn.
As I was trying it, I rubbed off the blue, and one time I thot it did what you described. then I re-blued and can't reproduce it, so...Bad data, no problem, back to the drawing board.
(Either that, or that blue ink has some special magnetic properties...
NOT.)
The fact that the magnet is repelled from the aluminum rod when placed
one way around and is attracted the other way around is a major breakthrough!!!
This means that it's possible to make a magnetic gate.
If magnets are mounted on a large aluminum disk one could make a
magnetic motor that runs itself.
Oh!! Wait a minute, isn't that what this thread is about?? ;D ;D
It would be weird if this and some other new findings show Mylow right about a few things and then someone replicates. It would make Sterlings book have a great ending. I would see the movie, Im already reading the book.
Magluvin
BTW, relative to eddy currents...
In this post: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1436 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1436) is a copy of an e-mail from (ying/yang disk maker?) "Bob" to Sterling with the following...
Quote6. One last thing. I did a series of spindown tests with only the stator installed. (No Rotor magnets at all) Surprisingly the eddy currents between the stator and the Aluminum disc were enormous. The difference between the spin down times of a blank disc with no stator and one with the stator was about approx 20 % loss just from the eddy currents. Eddy currents are normally lossy but the magnitude was a surprise to me.These losses then have to be recovered somewhere along the way in trying to get a self running devise.
...I would assume that the stator has both N and S pointing down at the disk (and I'm not sure there's a good way around that), but it would be interesting to know the results from none/N-down/S-down rundowns.
Quote from: AbbaRue on May 19, 2009, 10:54:19 PM
The fact that the magnet is repelled from the aluminum rod when placed
one way around and is attracted the other way around is a major breakthrough!!!
This means that it's possible to make a magnetic gate.
If a magnets are mounted on a large aluminum disk one could make a
magnetic motor that runs itself.
Oh!! Wait a minute, isn't that what this thread is about?? ;D ;D
It doen't appear to be repelled, only to lose it's attraction when in motion at a steep angle.
@TinselKoala
I believe you may be up for a Nobel Prize for your discovery.
This needs to be documented, And we are all witnesses.
This is definitely a major breakthrough.
Unless someone else has already made this discovery before.
I have studied a lot of electronics and I have never come across this before.
Quote from: AbbaRue on May 19, 2009, 10:36:52 PM
I tried sliding a neo. magnet down a piece of aluminum and I found,
that the magnet starts to tumble every time I quickly turn the magnet
around and try letting it slide down.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Tables/magprop.html
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/magnetic_materials.htm
I just noticed a comment by Dr. Schmitt:
This seems to make sense.
It's because the copper alloy that you are using is probably not is not pure electrolytic copper but a copper/ hard nickle ferromagnetic alloy. When you slide one pole along the surface of the copper bar it orients the the regions in the bar corresponding to the pole of the magnet. After the magnet is removed, the bar retains some respective orientation. Then when you reverse the magnet you are exposing two like poles face to face and thus the magnet just slides right by
The magnet practically hops off the rod as it slides down.
The only reason the angle needs to be steep is so the repelling
force overcomes the pull of gravity on the weight of the magnet.
Also the steep angle makes the magnet move faster, thus producing
more electromagnetism. (eddy currents)
A spinning aluminum disk would produce a strong eddy current and in
theory could overcome the sticky spot, if the magnets were placed the
right way around.
I agree it's a good explanation for copper alloy, and aluminum?, asking because I do not know what goes in to aluminum.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 19, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
I just noticed a comment by Dr. Schmitt:
This seems to make sense.
It's because the copper alloy that you are using is probably not is not pure electrolytic copper but a copper/ hard nickle ferromagnetic alloy. When you slide one pole along the surface of the copper bar it orients the the regions in the bar corresponding to the pole of the magnet. After the magnet is removed, the bar retains some respective orientation. Then when you reverse the magnet you are exposing two like poles face to face and thus the magnet just slides right by
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 19, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
I just noticed a comment by Dr. Schmitt:
This seems to make sense.
It's because the copper alloy that you are using is probably not is not pure electrolytic copper but a copper/ hard nickle ferromagnetic alloy. When you slide one pole along the surface of the copper bar it orients the the regions in the bar corresponding to the pole of the magnet. After the magnet is removed, the bar retains some respective orientation. Then when you reverse the magnet you are exposing two like poles face to face and thus the magnet just slides right by
But, in x00013's video, the magnets do not slide on the exact same path. Is it realistic that a small magnet would reorient the entire surface of the bar? It also seems odd that several passes of the opposite pole would not re-orient the bar and restore magnetic attraction. No? Yes?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
But, in x00013's video, the magnets do not slide on the exact same path. Is it realistic that a small magnet would reorient the entire surface of the bar? It also seems odd that several passes of the opposite pole would not re-orient the bar and restore magnetic attraction. No? Yes?
IMO, no reorientation of the entire bar. This can't be the first time anyone tried N vs. S sliding down aluminum, can it!!!! ?? No way :) Time for google.
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 19, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
IMO, no reorientation of the entire bar. This can't be the first time anyone tried N vs. S sliding down aluminum, can it!!!! ?? No way :) Time for google.
Joe
Have you seen this?
http://www.wolframalpha.com/
Mark,
You can say this to OverUnity.com on my behalf.
I remain upset with OverUnity.com
It is never appropriate to be extremely rude to people. The level of abuse there is too much.
Sterling asked me to post this. I had suggested an appology would be nice.
"Until I hear the they have done something to put a tighter control on inappropriate posts, I will maintain my boycott.
I realize that I tend to be quite harsh myself sometimes, so it is a bit hypocritical of me to expect OverUnity to hold to a higher standard. But I just feel that the level to which they stooped was wrong."
Sterling
I suppose it being an alloy probably explains it, but Is it significant that magnets appear to be exhibiting Lenz's Law (or just attraction) to this degree on ALUMINUM? I thought Aluminum was normally considered basically magnetically nonreactive. That magnet slid pretty slowly down that aluminum bar.
EDIT: Just realized the topic is eddy currents, about which I know very little. Carry on.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:33:12 PM
Have you seen this?
http://www.wolframalpha.com/
Cool - we've got (link->) 3 years, 7 months and 2 days left (http://www72.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=winter+solstice%2C+2012&a=*DPClash.HolidayE.winter+solstice-_**AlbanArthuanSolsticeNorthernHemisphere.Celticism--)! :)
Quote from: Psyclone on May 19, 2009, 11:49:57 PM
Cool - we've got (link->) 3 years, 7 months and 2 days left (http://www72.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=winter+solstice%2C+2012&a=*DPClash.HolidayE.winter+solstice-_**AlbanArthuanSolsticeNorthernHemisphere.Celticism--)! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU
Quote from: Psyclone on May 19, 2009, 10:57:24 PM
BTW, relative to eddy currents...
In this post: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1436 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1436) is a copy of an e-mail from (ying/yang disk maker?) "Bob" to Sterling with the following...
...I would assume that the stator has both N and S pointing down at the disk (and I'm not sure there's a good way around that), but it would be interesting to know the results from none/N-down/S-down rundowns.
Told you so. Long ago. In many stator orientations. Posted graphs and everything.
But I did not do the individual pole comparisons. See how one's theoretical models affect cognition?
I'd say that's a bit rich coming from a guy who is
still selling plans to a possible fake, he even admits himself it's a possible fake, yet he continues.
Quote from: markdansie on May 19, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
Mark,
You can say this to OverUnity.com on my behalf.
I remain upset with OverUnity.com
It is never appropriate to be extremely rude to people. The level of abuse there is too much.
Sterling asked me to post this. I had suggested an appology would be nice.
"Until I hear the they have done something to put a tighter control on inappropriate posts, I will maintain my boycott.
I realize that I tend to be quite harsh myself sometimes, so it is a bit hypocritical of me to expect OverUnity to hold to a higher standard. But I just feel that the level to which they stooped was wrong."
Sterling
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:45:01 PM
I suppose it being an alloy probably explains it, but Is it significant that magnets appear to be exhibiting Lenz's Law (or just attraction) to this degree on ALUMINUM? I thought Aluminum was normally considered basically magnetically nonreactive. That magnet slid pretty slowly down that aluminum bar.
Aluminum is slightly diamagnetic, IIRC, but that has nothing to do with the eddy current effect. Any conductor will produce it. Moving conductor wrt mag field, induces current with opposite field in conductor which repels orig. field and or retards relative motion, energy is lost through Joule heating of the conductor, it is always an energy loss (yes, even in your electric meter.)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 19, 2009, 11:33:12 PM
Have you seen this?
http://www.wolframalpha.com/
Cool. I wonder what it would say if you asked it: Is an all PMM motor possible?
:)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 12:02:49 AM
Aluminum is slightly diamagnetic, IIRC, but that has nothing to do with the eddy current effect. Any conductor will produce it. Moving conductor wrt mag field, induces current with opposite field in conductor which repels orig. field and or retards relative motion, energy is lost through Joule heating of the conductor, it is always an energy loss (yes, even in your electric meter.)
Does this have anything to do with anything? Or all BS as far as the sliding magnet test:
Magnet science is simple. One pole gives a positive charge and the other gives a negative charge. These charges occur from the electrons becoming excited in the field of the magnet. In the most basic quantum physics, the non-charged electrons are in a para or normal state. When magnetically charged, the excited electrons of the atoms, change their orbit to a spin parallel with the pole surface and they take on an energized condition known as the ortho state. In this state, the nucleus changes direction against the spinning electron creating a friction that is measured in an increased or endothermic (taking on energy) electrical value. In the negative field of a magnet, the electrons spin in a counter-clockwise motion (left-hand chirality rule) in the negative field of a magnet and spin in a clockwise motion (right-hand chirality rule) in the positive field. Another basic scientific issue is that when the two poles (positive and negative) are on the same side or pole piece of a magnet, the aggregate (sum) of the combined field will not be neutral, but will have a small positive charge. This is easily measured and easily understood â€" the positive field is expanding and the negative is contracting. Expanding is always larger than contracting. If the positive were light and the negative were dark, put the two together and you have twilight, which is still light. In essence, the bi-polar single-sided magnet gives off a small positive charge.
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 12:07:51 AM
Does this have anything to do with anything? Or all BS as far as the sliding magnet test:
Magnet science is simple. One pole gives a positive charge and the other gives a negative charge. These charges occur from the electrons becoming excited in the field of the magnet. In the most basic quantum physics, the non-charged electrons are in a para or normal state. When magnetically charged, the excited electrons of the atoms, change their orbit to a spin parallel with the pole surface and they take on an energized condition known as the ortho state. In this state, the nucleus changes direction against the spinning electron creating a friction that is measured in an increased or endothermic (taking on energy) electrical value. In the negative field of a magnet, the electrons spin in a counter-clockwise motion (left-hand chirality rule) in the negative field of a magnet and spin in a clockwise motion (right-hand chirality rule) in the positive field. Another basic scientific issue is that when the two poles (positive and negative) are on the same side or pole piece of a magnet, the aggregate (sum) of the combined field will not be neutral, but will have a small positive charge. This is easily measured and easily understood â€" the positive field is expanding and the negative is contracting. Expanding is always larger than contracting. If the positive were light and the negative were dark, put the two together and you have twilight, which is still light. In essence, the bi-polar single-sided magnet gives off a small positive charge.
Thanks,
Joe
I mean, maybe aluminum and copper are slightly "charged" the opposite of the pole of the magnet that holds on as it is sliding down.
Just a thought.
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
Cool. I wonder what it would say if you asked it: Is an all PMM motor possible?
:)
Nothing.
However, there is a blog and a 'community'
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 12:07:51 AM
Does this have anything to do with anything? Or all BS as far as the sliding magnet test:
Magnet science is simple. One pole gives a positive charge and the other gives a negative charge. These charges occur from the electrons becoming excited in the field of the magnet. In the most basic quantum physics, the non-charged electrons are in a para or normal state. When magnetically charged, the excited electrons of the atoms, change their orbit to a spin parallel with the pole surface and they take on an energized condition known as the ortho state. In this state, the nucleus changes direction against the spinning electron creating a friction that is measured in an increased or endothermic (taking on energy) electrical value. In the negative field of a magnet, the electrons spin in a counter-clockwise motion (left-hand chirality rule) in the negative field of a magnet and spin in a clockwise motion (right-hand chirality rule) in the positive field. Another basic scientific issue is that when the two poles (positive and negative) are on the same side or pole piece of a magnet, the aggregate (sum) of the combined field will not be neutral, but will have a small positive charge. This is easily measured and easily understood â€" the positive field is expanding and the negative is contracting. Expanding is always larger than contracting. If the positive were light and the negative were dark, put the two together and you have twilight, which is still light. In essence, the bi-polar single-sided magnet gives off a small positive charge.
Thanks,
Joe
Riight.
(backs slowly toward the door...)
8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIX40SWDsjU
TK try to do a static charge on the bar you are sliding the magnet down. Extra or less electrons may show some interesting effect. Of course you will then need to think of a way to place the magnet without disturbing the charge on the rod, and to insulate the magnet from the charge.
Don't back out the door on the electron spin thing of contracting and expanding orbit. LOL
Erm. Uh...
Why (or how) are Mylow's fishing lines parallel at the width of his base assembly, if they just wrap around the motor shaft at the other end? Shouldn't they be converging noticeably? I thought he did not use a pulley on the motor...??
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 12:31:54 AM
Riight.
(backs slowly toward the door...)
Damn, took me 30 years to come up with that :)
lol
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 20, 2009, 12:40:24 AM
TK try to do a static charge on the bar you are sliding the magnet down. Extra or less electrons may show some interesting effect. Of course you will then need to think of a way to place the magnet without disturbing the charge on the rod, and to insulate the magnet from the charge.
Don't back out the door on the electron spin thing of contracting and expanding orbit. LOL
I can certainly put a charge on the bar. But can you be more specific about what hypothesis we are testing, and what some possible results might be and how they might relate to the overarching theory (which I guess is about those contracting and expanding orbits...).
I gotta tell you though, I buy the whole quantum chemistry thing, and I might have different ideas about electron orbits and energy levels than you do.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 12:41:29 AM
Erm. Uh...
Why (or how) are Mylow's fishing lines parallel at the width of his base assembly, if they just wrap around the motor shaft at the other end? Shouldn't they be converging noticeably? I thought he did not use a pulley on the motor...??
The motor was at least 8 feet away. You really need to download that hi res video, its clearer than you can even imagine. Even while he's on his knees giving his little speech into the camera, there it is.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
All 9
http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
More damming evidence,
Implicates his brother as well on the six magnet device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
If Mylow doesnt come clean on the Stonehenge with either full confession or an independent validation , he will be very famous shortly. Time to get the mainstream media involved.
Mark
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
The motor was at least 8 feet away. You really need to download that hi res video, its clearer than you can even imagine. Even while he's on his knees giving his little speech into the camera, there it is.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
All 9
http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
If I understand TK's question correct, even at 8 feet the lines would not be as parallel as they were. I wondered about that motor shaft pic too on the couch. The pic must not show the motor correct.
Joe
Quote from: BEP on April 30, 2009, 09:49:45 PM
John
Aluminum because the reactions to a moving flux are wildly different. Ferrous material simply shorts or redirects the flux. It doesn't matter if their is a relational movement or not.
The only time aluminum exhibits those qualities(?) is when there is relational movement. Of course it is paramagnetic so there is always some attraction.
I suggest you throw out any ideas this is related to a copper wound motor.
There was a time I spewed the wonders of aluminum but that has ended. If folks want to know I tell them to experiment and figure it out. If you can then tell the difference between copper and aluminum (magnetically) then you may be on the right track.
None of it is magic or fringe science. It just isn't well known, even though electrical products have used these wonders for over a hundred years.
When you can connect the info to the non-Faraday's Paradox.....
Still, I got slammed once too often.
Brainstorming here is not a good thing. The PC heroes and book vomiters will wipe out the conversation.
And yes Al is slightly diamagnetic but so are all conductive metals. Cu much more diamagnetic than many. The paramagnetic qualities of Al washes out the 'dia' with the more dominant 'para'.
Isn't anyone interested in the curl of the path for the sliding magnet?
It isn't angle. It is speed, magnet strength, conductivity, shape and mass and the same for the slide (strength reflecting the content of magnetic materials in the alloy).
Didn't someone say Mylow spoke of a magnet floating?
So, does that sound so silly now?
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!!!!
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 12:57:57 AM
If I understand TK's question correct, even at 8 feet the lines would not be as parallel as it was. I wondered about that motor shaft pic too on the couch. The pic must not show the motor correct.
Joe
I don't know, there might be a slight slope. Seriously, it's a non issue if you watch the videos, the fishing line is clear as a bell.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 12:41:29 AM
Erm. Uh...
Why (or how) are Mylow's fishing lines parallel at the width of his base assembly, if they just wrap around the motor shaft at the other end? Shouldn't they be converging noticeably? I thought he did not use a pulley on the motor...??
It was a loong distance to the motor probably. Also he didn't actually use fishing line. It was a special kind of monofilament. This is important to know if you are gonna build a top notch fake:)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:01:14 AM
Seriously, it's a non issue if you watch the videos, the fishing line is clear as a bell.
Yep! Agree 100%... now Slipping into la la land again :)
This is almost too funny. Sterling is still upset with the overunity guys and is boycotting this site. Gee, would that be the same overunity site that solved the Mylow mystery? The same guys that got no credit for doing so in his articles? The same people that probably kept Sterling from totally imploding by discovering the truth before things got even worse?
I find this totally ridiculous.
Bill
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
More damming evidence,
Implicates his brother as well on the six magnet device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
If Mylow doesnt come clean on the Stonehenge with either full confession or an independent validation , he will be very famous shortly. Time to get the mainstream media involved.
Mark
A fine job.
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
If Mylow doesnt come clean on the Stonehenge
Why are so many people still holding out hope on the early vids/builds/Stonehenge thingy?
That was back when he was super-simple and still just pushing it with his hand.
2 of the LightRider analysis clearly showed faked/erratic acceleration.
I'm amazed at the die-hard faith of the believers that they are clinging to the thought that:
The early vids were real - but the MIB got to him - so the later ones were an intentional hoax to throw everyone off....
YEEEESHHHHHHHHHHH ::)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 01:06:08 AM
This is almost too funny. Sterling is still upset with the overunity guys and is boycotting this site. Gee, would that be the same overunity site that solved the Mylow mystery? The same guys that got no credit for doing so in his articles? The same people that probably kept Sterling from totally imploding by discovering the truth before things got even worse?
I find this totally ridiculous.
Bill
Sterling doesn't think Mylow's behavior warranted extreme skepticism and/or outright rudeness. It did. Sterling is wrong.
@ Joe
it is important you question the sceptics as well. Dont worry about la la land..its quite a nice place.
However there comes a time where the evidence is overwhelming.
here is another teaser for you, which is the 6 magnet version (featuring Tony as well)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
More damming evidence,
Implicates his brother as well on the six magnet device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Good find. Guess Mylows all 'strung' up now - fit to be 'tied' :-X
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
The motor was at least 8 feet away. You really need to download that hi res video, its clearer than you can even imagine. Even while he's on his knees giving his little speech into the camera, there it is.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2594618
All 9
http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
Unfortunately I cannot use that site. Is there some other way I can get it ? (although if I listen to any more Mylow I think I'll have to double dose on the beta blocker).
Grr.
Quote from: capthook on May 20, 2009, 01:07:08 AM
Why are so many people still holding out hope on the early vids/builds/Stonehenge thingy?
That was back when he was super-simple and still just pushing it with his hand.
2 of the LightRider analaysis clearly showed faked/erratic accleration.
I'm amazed at the die-hard faith of the believers that they are clinging to the thought that:
The early vids were real - but the MIB got to him - so the later ones were an intentional hoax to through everyone off....
YEEEESHHHHHHHHHHH ::)
I am sure if enough analyzing was done on the earlier videos, the results would be the same. Not sure if there would be the smoking gun fishing line, but IMO, enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Joe
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
@ Joe
it is important you question the sceptics as well. Dont worry about la la land..its quite a nice place.
However there comes a time where the evidence is overwhelming.
here is another teaser for you, which is the 6 magnet version (featuring Tony as well)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Kind Regards
Mark
Hi Mark,
>However there comes a time where the evidence is overwhelming.
That time was a long time ago.. I am not sure what you mean in your post to me?
Must be a slight mis communication thing :)
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Kind Regards
Mark
Starts at 8:08 in the original video.
Good stuff thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwhZH8zGD0&feature=channel_page
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
More damming evidence,
Implicates his brother as well on the six magnet device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
If Mylow doesnt come clean on the Stonehenge with either full confession or an independent validation , he will be very famous shortly. Time to get the mainstream media involved.
Mark
I'm not so sure that black line is really the drive line. It might only be shadows from the disk that make the black line look like it's moving. The line is also too parallel to the edge of the bureau, and as the camera moves it stays in the same relationship to the edge. And the line must be paired, anyway , I think.
I do think I see the line in another part of that vid, but it's a monofilament, not black. I think.
But this video is clearly a vid of a driven disk, for other reasons, mostly Tony's behaviour and their dialog. And also, look at the very last half-second of that vid. You'll see Tony do a classic "balk" when he's afraid the disk got away from him and moved when it shouldn't have. Even though you can clearly hear the CLICK when Mylow turns off the motor a little earlier.
And how long do they say the time is on the stopwatch? And how long has the motor _really_ been turning at that point? Watch it closely. I see that motor go from Tony's starting it to full speed in 39 seconds. Not 4 or 5 minutes like they are saying right at the same time.
Tony's lines are rehearsed, Mylow is adlibbing and they screwed up bigtime on this take.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:09:36 AM
Unfortunately I cannot use that site. Is there some other way I can get it ? (although if I listen to any more Mylow I think I'll have to double dose on the beta blocker).
Yeah I'll set something up.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:21:25 AM
Yeah I'll set something up.
You could upload it to a free file-sharing service.
FilePanda is a good one:
http://www.filepanda.com/
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:08:04 AM
Sterling doesn't think Mylow's behavior warranted extreme skepticism and/or outright rudeness. It did. Sterling is wrong.
No he is not.
When pushed into an indefensible position there is only one way too respond
ATTACK !!! That is what he is doing, which is of course completely correct.
This will hopefully keep the idiots busy while he is consolidating his forces and executes plan B, which is his fall back situation. There is already evidence he is doing just that.
My guess it, this whole saga is far from over. The prize is still out there, a bit harder to reach now, but still within the realm of possibility. The battle will go on. Watch for vicious personal attacks, they are likely to be next. From where, I don't know, but they will come.
My forecast is that Mylow will now be portrayed as a martyr and the skeptics will become the allies of those MIB's that have been plaguing "Truth, Justice and The American Way". Mylow then will become Superman who rescues Lois Lane just in time.
Be prepared for another 30 years of Howard Johnson BS.
Mark my words. ;)
Hans von Lieven
TK, look closely at the line from 1:10 to 1:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:19:12 AM
I'm not so sure that black line is really the drive line. It might only be shadows from the disk that make the black line look like it's moving. The line is also too parallel to the edge of the bureau, and as the camera moves it stays in the same relationship to the edge. And the line must be paired, anyway , I think.
I do think I see the line in another part of that vid, but it's a monofilament, not black. I think.
But this video is clearly a vid of a driven disk, for other reasons, mostly Tony's behaviour and their dialog. And also, look at the very last half-second of that vid. You'll see Tony do a classic "balk" when he's afraid the disk got away from him and moved when it shouldn't have. Even though you can clearly hear the CLICK when Mylow turns off the motor a little earlier.
And how long do they say the time is on the stopwatch? And how long has the motor _really_ been turning at that point? Watch it closely. I see that motor go from Tony's starting it to full speed in 39 seconds. Not 4 or 5 minutes like they are saying right at the same time.
Tony's lines are rehearsed, Mylow is adlibbing and they screwed up bigtime on this take.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 01:34:56 AM
TK, look closely at the line from 1:10 to 1:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
I see that thing that looks like lumps of black sliding along. But I still think it might be shadows. Tony could be moving around above the disk...
It just doesn't look like a drive line to me and it's too obvious, even Mylow would not let that slip past.
1) this line is much heavier and blacker than previously
2) the line's projection seems to go well behind the motor's pedestal rather than close to center like it should
3) there's no second line evident
I'd hate to claim that there's a line there, and then have him show that it's just a feature of the tabletop. Remember when I thought the line in the TV case was a wire? Those folks on the other side of the fence (OSOTF) would make much of an error like that in this case. So I urge caution. Of course I haven't seen the high-res version yet, either. I might change my mind then.
I might make a T-shirt with the famous (infamous?) words.....
"No Tony, it's ok, you can let go. Tony, you can let go now it's ok"
I think it is safe to say.....Tony has let go.
Bill
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
@ Joe
it is important you question the sceptics as well. Dont worry about la la land..its quite a nice place.
However there comes a time where the evidence is overwhelming.
here is another teaser for you, which is the 6 magnet version (featuring Tony as well)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
Kind Regards
Mark
That video is some real BS. but then again, maybe not. I don't see anything except for the crack in the moulding next to the wall.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
No he is not.
When pushed into an indefensible position there is only one way too respond ATTACK !!! That is what he is doing, which is of course completely correct.
This will hopefully keep the idiots busy while he is consolidating his forces and executes plan B, which is his fall back situation. There is already evidence he is doing just that.
My guess it, this whole saga is far from over. The prize is still out there, a bit harder to reach now, but still within the realm of possibility. The battle will go on. Watch for vicious personal attacks, they are likely to be next. From where, I don't know, but they will come.
My forecast is that Mylow will now be portrayed as a martyr and the skeptics will become the allies of those MIB's that have been plaguing "Truth, Justice and The American Way". Mylow then will become Superman who rescues Lois Lane just in time.
Be prepared for another 30 years of Howard Johnson BS.
Mark my words. ;)
Hans von Lieven
Don't worry Hans. Men won't always chase after magnet motors because there won't be another thirty years. Even if you can do it, don't waste your time. There won't even be three years.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:43:37 AM
I see that thing that looks like lumps of black sliding along. But I still think it might be shadows. Tony could be moving around above the disk...
It just doesn't look like a drive line to me and it's too obvious, even Mylow would not let that slip past.
1) this line is much heavier and blacker than previously
2) the line's projection seems to go well behind the motor's pedestal rather than close to center like it should
3) there's no second line evident
I'd hate to claim that there's a line there, and then have him show that it's just a feature of the tabletop. Remember when I thought the line in the TV case was a wire? Those folks on the other side of the fence (OSOTF) would make much of an error like that in this case. So I urge caution. Of course I haven't seen the high-res version yet, either. I might change my mind then.
That's just a small crack space under the moulding at the interface of where the desk meets the wall. Ya can't actually see the frosted monofilament here without good HiRes
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
No he is not.
When pushed into an indefensible position there is only one way too respond ATTACK !!! That is what he is doing, which is of course completely correct.
This will hopefully keep the idiots busy while he is consolidating his forces and executes plan B, which is his fall back situation. There is already evidence he is doing just that.
My guess it, this whole saga is far from over. The prize is still out there, a bit harder to reach now, but still within the realm of possibility. The battle will go on. Watch for vicious personal attacks, they are likely to be next. From where, I don't know, but they will come.
My forecast is that Mylow will now be portrayed as a martyr and the skeptics will become the allies of those MIB's that have been plaguing "Truth, Justice and The American Way". Mylow then will become Superman who rescues Lois Lane just in time.
Be prepared for another 30 years of Howard Johnson BS.
Mark my words. ;)
Hans von Lieven
But he already admitted he was wrong. He's just being emotional. And he is wrong.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:43:37 AM
I see that thing that looks like lumps of black sliding along. But I still think it might be shadows. Tony could be moving around above the disk...
It just doesn't look like a drive line to me and it's too obvious, even Mylow would not let that slip past.
1) this line is much heavier and blacker than previously
2) the line's projection seems to go well behind the motor's pedestal rather than close to center like it should
3) there's no second line evident
I'd hate to claim that there's a line there, and then have him show that it's just a feature of the tabletop. Remember when I thought the line in the TV case was a wire? Those folks on the other side of the fence (OSOTF) would make much of an error like that in this case. So I urge caution. Of course I haven't seen the high-res version yet, either. I might change my mind then.
It's not a clear video, I mistook the crack for a line. Eyes blurry. When you see the hi res original of the glass table demo its blatantly obvious to the point of absurdity.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 20, 2009, 01:49:53 AM
Don't worry Hans. Men won't always chase after magnet motors because there won't be another thirty years. Even if you can do it, don't waste your time. There won't even be three years.
Now what the world ends in 3 years? Would you please cut that out
@nyctuber
s that it is blatently obvious it is a crack or it is a string of some type. I have only seen the fuzzy version but it appeared to be moving.
Mark
@Pirate
I don't have an extra T-shirt to print this on
"No Tony, it's ok, you can let go. Tony, you can let go now it's ok"
But I do have a YT compilation video, you mind if I do?
Quote from: capthook on May 20, 2009, 01:33:37 AM
You could upload it to a free file-sharing service.
FilePanda is a good one:
http://www.filepanda.com/
Good call I was thinking FTP but this might be easier w/o a file size limit.
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
@nyctuber
s that it is blatently obvious it is a crack or it is a string of some type. I have only seen the fuzzy version but it appeared to be moving.
Mark
I was referring to the glass table demo, I haven't seen this one in hi def.
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
@nyctuber
s that it is blatently obvious it is a crack or it is a string of some type. I have only seen the fuzzy version but it appeared to be moving.
Mark
Looking again it does appear to be more like a gap in the molding, or the gap between the 'motor' base and the wall/molding. (or a shadow or whatever) The 'movment' may be due to pixilation.
I can't imagine using black line, and it seems to be out of place - too far back/towards the wall to align with the shaft.
Funny - Sterling has already posted this vid to his updated story. Guess he's too tired right now to 'debunk the debunkers'
http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/
My 2nd opinion is that this video debunk is not accurate.
Soon in a bookstore near you.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: The Nephew on May 20, 2009, 02:10:09 AM
@Pirate
I don't have an extra T-shirt to print this on
"No Tony, it's ok, you can let go. Tony, you can let go now it's ok"
But I do have a YT compilation video, you mind if I do?
Go ahead. Those are Mylow's words anyway. Just check to see if I quoted accurately or not. I believe it is close.
@ Hans:
Will you be traveling to the US on your book tour? If so, stop in and I will buy you all the beer you can drink. I would like to order an advance copy.
Bill
I did the experiment with the (neo) magnet sliding along a steeply inclined aluminium plate as show in X00000013's video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
My findings confirm the effect visible in the video:
Depending on which magnetic pole faces the aluminium plate, the magnet was sliding slowly down or - when the other pole faces the plate - it jumped off the steeply inclined plate.
My theory:
The movement of the magnet relative to the plate - i.e. the sliding movement - creates eddy currents in the plate which in turn possess (or create) a magnetic field.
Depending on which pole of the magnet faces the plate, the sliding magnet gets attracted to the plate (or the field that is created in the plate by the eddy currents, see above) or the magnet gets repelled from the plate.
If the magnet gets (slightly) repelled from the plate it will slide faster or even jump off.
If the magnet gets (slightly) attracted to the plate, it slides slower due to increased drag/friction.
Good job TK, and everybody else involved...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgzxQDJTko&feature=channel_page
Quote from: The Nephew on May 20, 2009, 02:48:24 AM
Good job TK, and everybody else involved...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgzxQDJTko&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgzxQDJTko&feature=channel_page)
Excellent job! I like where you give credit to the folks here. Very well done.
Bill
@ Hans
laughing so much (family thought I had gone bonka's)
You have enough material from just this forum alone.
Please mention that no magnet was harmed during the writing of this book
Mark
I could swear I heard this on the dream radio just now.
I've been Mylow'd
(slow voodoo congas and organ, in 4)
(to the tune of 'I've been hoodooed')
(apologies to Dr John the Night Tripper)
(8 bars intro on the B3)
Magnet man down in Chicago town
He spin a magnet on you up and down
Create an illusion and a gang of confusion
Just don't know just how a man get clear of dat
Chorus:
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
(shiloh uh shiloh wooooo)
You turn your magnets on me!
Got plenty of rotor magnets, and some stators too
he make the magnets do their dance for you
got a big old motor and some fishing line
gonna turn those magnets an he'll show you how
Chorus:
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
(shiloh uh shiloh wooooo)
You turn your magnets on me!
And ever since then well my hair's been bad
My magnets chatter, now wassa matter
I axed the forum what it's all about
dey give me a dirty look and den my hair fell out
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
I've been Mylow'd
(shiloh uh shiloh wooooo)
You turn your magnets on me!
(vamp on the B3 and fade...)
Now that's much more like it
The Shiloh Comedy Hour.
Come and get Mylow'd.
Love it ;D ;D ;D
Hans
The crowd apears to be getting angry over at Sterlings Mylow yahoo group. It is interesteing he feels the standards here are so low that he is boycotting us. Maybe he should look closer to home.
A recent post
"Sterling - YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS. a reporter of average competance would have easily assessed that Mylow was a fraud, an idiot, and a cheater from the start; but not you. you used this "saga" (what a stupid word to use, but it's your word) for your own benefit, cheating others by selling plans (for an "open source" project nonetheless!) and videos of this fraud, making people believe there was actually a working device, while ignoring all of Mylows provable lies as posted by "Chad" in this Yahoo group. you're hoax was far worse than Mylow in EVERY way, and i am going to do my best to make sure everyone knows what a big liar, cheater, deceiver, and fraudster you are. you don't deserve one bit of respectability anymore, not one bit. you have behaved extremely immaturely/childish, and you have no business reporting anything to anyone. you are FAR MORE psychotic than Mylow - FAR MORE. and you cheated people out of money, which at least Mylow did not do."
WOW Mark,
That's a bit rough. He'll weather it though. There must be a plan B there somewhere if I read him right.
And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on, la-di-da-de-de...........
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
More damming evidence,
Implicates his brother as well on the six magnet device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
If Mylow doesnt come clean on the Stonehenge with either full confession or an independent validation , he will be very famous shortly. Time to get the mainstream media involved.
Mark
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:18:57 AM
Starts at 8:08 in the original video.
Good stuff thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwhZH8zGD0&feature=channel_page
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:19:12 AM
I'm not so sure that black line is really the drive line. It might only be shadows from the disk that make the black line look like it's moving. The line is also too parallel to the edge of the bureau, and as the camera moves it stays in the same relationship to the edge. And the line must be paired, anyway , I think.
I do think I see the line in another part of that vid, but it's a monofilament, not black. I think.
But this video is clearly a vid of a driven disk, for other reasons, mostly Tony's behaviour and their dialog. And also, look at the very last half-second of that vid. You'll see Tony do a classic "balk" when he's afraid the disk got away from him and moved when it shouldn't have. Even though you can clearly hear the CLICK when Mylow turns off the motor a little earlier.
And how long do they say the time is on the stopwatch? And how long has the motor _really_ been turning at that point? Watch it closely. I see that motor go from Tony's starting it to full speed in 39 seconds. Not 4 or 5 minutes like they are saying right at the same time.
Tony's lines are rehearsed, Mylow is adlibbing and they screwed up bigtime on this take.
The analysis results is understandable? (video with his brother)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180267#msg180267
no one has commented...
the results say...
A ->the stator and rotor are assumed to interact here -> analysis result: yes, there is acceleration (green - capital letter "A" on the image)
B ->the rotor outside the stator field, there should be slowing down by friction -> analysis result: yes, there is deceleration (red - letter "B")
C ->freewheel effect, there should be slowing down by friction -> analysis result: yes, there is deceleration (red - letter "C")
D ->freewheel effect, there should be slowing down by friction -> analysis result: yes, there is deceleration (red - letter "D")
E ->freewheel effect, there should be slowing down by friction ->
analysis result: NO, there is ACCELERATION (GREEN - letter "E")F ->freewheel effect, there should be slowing down by friction -> analysis result: yes, there is deceleration (red - letter "F")
G ->freewheel effect, there should be slowing down by friction -> analysis result: yes, there is deceleration (red - letter "G")
H ->at the approach to the stator the rotor should ... (conclusion uncertain) -> analysis result: there is acceleration (green - letter "H")
In the light of this analysis, it seems unlikely that a "sudden acceleration" occurs at the "position E" (GREEN - capital letter "E" on the image).
Furthermore, two other images of this analysis tell us the magnitude (force) with which the disk is accelerated at the "position E"...
...it seems huge, even impossible according to science.
Besides, if we imagine the "string" theory to be a fact in this video, it would be more likely that the "position E" represents the area of friction between the "string" and shaft ... considering the clockwise rotation of the disk, the engine that drives the disk would be left of the disk.
in this video, the brothers were together...
...the data speak for themselves
LightRider
Thanks Lightrider
The only thing I can suggest is the weight of the magnets in area E would increase the centrifical force and possibly put more tension on the "string" enabling more grip and thus the accelleration. I may be really of track here but that is my take on it.
Mark
ahhh - never mind....
Quote from: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 10:28:06 AM
I'll never forget how Touko showed his prowess most admirably when he produced the incredible velocity profile by tracking the yingyang dot. He's the true researcher, he's the hero in this
Plus his video actually showing the wires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
He deserves our thanks for putting the hoax out of business with a couple of brilliant videos.
As well, Rosphere, in http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.3370
nailed the hoax perfectly, and inspired toukoqouko to look closely and provide the proof beyond any doubt:
Quote
I went back and re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his device operating on the glass table. I noticed the following 'technical examples' of a probable hoax. I suspect that there may be a fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it.
can someone explain this...
if the disk is moving by hands, we can expect a unconstant acceleration...
but, if the disk is moving by a string (as here, in this last video) why acceleration is non-constant ? why it only happens at "point A,E and H" and that with constant repetition ?
Globally the acceleration is consistent (according to previous analysis), but why it varies within a rotation ?
Friction on the wire is not constant according to the position of the disk?
why it only happens at "point A,E and H"...
Think about it...
The "position A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H" refers to image "toukoqouko20090520402.jpg" from my last post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180672#msg180672
EDIT: thanks markdansie for this possible explanation.
EDIT2: wait ... "Friction point H & A"... no "string" there... how this can acceleration be explained at that position...
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 04:43:49 AM
...There must be a plan B there somewhere if I read him right.
...
The string was used to charge the battery?
I thought a bit more about X00013's sliding magnet experiment described in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Also please consider AbbaRue's posting
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180594#msg180594
I suggest the following conclusion: In case a piece of aluminium and a magnet are moved relative to each other, such as with a piece of aluminium and a sliding magnet or as with a static magnet (= stator magnet) and a moving piece of alu (rotor disc), the movement creates eddy currents in the aluminium. These eddy currents in turn create/possess a magnetic field, as electrical currents do.
This magnetic field of the eddy currents is emanating from the aluminium disc as long as there is movement.
And this magnetic field will interact with the pole pieces of the stator magnet.
Depending on how the two fields are angled or positioned relative to each other, one pole of the stator magnet will attract the disc and the other pole of the stator magnet will repel it.
I think that someone with a deeper understanding or feel for these interactions, may be able to build a continuously rotating device.
While such a device powers ones house, one could - in one's free time - go fishing. So I suggest people hold on to their fishing lines.
Quote from: Albert Johnson on May 15, 2009, 12:30:39 AM
@ TinselKoala and all the other skeptics here in this forum:
Can you please start replicating or otherwise just STFU?
Please!
@ TinselKoala
I guess it's time for an apology - sorry for my flaming.
I really thought this was the "real deal" - which obviously is not the case.
Sorry again and keep up your good research work (and of course your skeptical mind ;))!
@ ligthtrider
i feel a stepping Motor , combined with slippage could give that result
Just another thought.
There is no way the magnets would influence area E
mark
@albert,
part of the important part of replicating and experimenting is to studying each others data. This includes sharing information and test results. I think the word replicating doesnt cover all...experimenting is perhaps a better word.
It is important to share all sorts of information (IE type of fishing line to use)
It is also important that after being led up the garden path to let of a bit of steam....with humour. We all have been let down badly.
however you make a good point so I will restrict my posts to technical discussions and information sharing.
kind Regards
Mark
PS what has happenned to wattsup?
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 04:33:42 AM
...
"Sterling - YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS...
I must agree with you. It is not professional to promote an "invention" that not a credible person can testify for and especially when there have always been serious and obvious suspicions of fraud (his author has refused to receive a possible witness at home, no one can duplicate the device, the setup becomes so simple that any one has already tried such configuration...). Skeptics are surely more efficient for a "FE quest" than naive bigots.
I considered peswiki as a "relatively reasonable" source of information about alternative energies or original ways for them. I must now revise my position, it's the straw that broke the camel's back. There are too many crackpots promotions.
@ Mark
The only question that baffles me is WHY did Mylow do this?
I really just don't get it.
Was he forced to act like this or is he really mentally ill/crazy?
It seems like I have wasted my time and money the last two months.
Again, I just don't understand this whole "Mylow saga"....
Video #6
Video #6
Video #6
Video #6
Video #6
Video #6
Six times for six replicators.
In riddles I will speak from now on.
AZ
I made a crude test of the sliding neo magnet on aluminum surface. The slope does need to be steep for the effect to happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edl5PsSyjG0&feature=channel_page
Perhaps these neo magnets are not magnetically symetrical. They are physically symetrical but somehow I imagine a kind of conical arrangement of magnetic lines within the magnet with a point on one end. That kind of magnetism could lead to different results when using different ends. I was thinking about it over night.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 03:50:20 AM
Now that's much more like it
The Shiloh Comedy Hour.
Come and get Mylow'd.
Love it ;D ;D ;D
Hans
@Hans
de'ja vu! How come every potential OU declaration ends up like a comedy show. We had the Lawrence Tseung's comedy hour and now the 'MyLowed' fly by fishing wire show!
They both have mental issues unknown to themselves!
cheers
chrisC
Hi res glass table video
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
Hello all. I'm new to the site and have not posted because what I could have said in the past was already stated, or most likely had been. I have been interested in magnets for roughly 25 years of my 34 years on this earth.
I utilize the OU site as an educational tool. As such, if and when I could have added something of value I would have. I'm not one to write something just to write it. My background is in business management, but I have a strong engineering mind without the education.
I've been following Mylows work since about November of 2008 (I believe) and brought a very skeptical mind. However, I do believe in learning from others success and mistakes. His work is what brought me to this forum.
I don't know if Mylows current motor is a fake or not. And honestly I believe no one on this forum does either. This is only because he has not allowed those on this forum or of a "University" level to physically touch it.
I don't know if Mylow is a con man/jokester or honest. And, no one on this forum does either. I'm not saying that you don't feel like he is. I'm just saying that you've never met him. This is not your fault, or probably the fault of Mylows. It just turned out that way.
I believe that if Mylow has a working motor, he must have presented it in the wrong way. This is not Mylows wrongdoing. From his videos he presents himself as a simple(don't take that as bad) but honest individual. I'm sure we can all learn of the right way from this incident.
Now that I've gone through the "I don't know, You don't know, I believe, You believe, BS let me state what I do know.
If I should ever happen to stumble upon a working Overunity Device. I KNOW that it will not be brought to this forum, nor will I read comments from users of this forum. The comments have gone to a level that is not educational or value added. I KNOW they are simple bullying. It is unfortunate that some feel the need to express themselves in this fashion. These comments are neither constructive, or intelligent.
I know if a bullys post count is high, they feel superior and justified in their actions. I know they are not either of those. Just frustrated individuals who are looking to justify their existance by putting down others with quick replies and smarmy comments which happen to increase their post count.
It is not my intention to belittle the success others have had with this forum, or those that created it. They put in a lot of personal time to offer an open forum for everyone. Unfortunately, like life, one bully can make growth impossible for many.
I wish you all the best with Overunity, and your personal growths.
jfhoss
"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." John Galt
Quote from: AbbaRue on May 19, 2009, 10:54:19 PM
The fact that the magnet is repelled from the aluminum rod when placed
one way around and is attracted the other way around is a major breakthrough!!!
This means that it's possible to make a magnetic gate.
If magnets are mounted on a large aluminum disk one could make a
magnetic motor that runs itself.
Oh!! Wait a minute, isn't that what this thread is about?? ;D ;D
What's wrong with you people? Aluminum is slighly magnetic. When releasing the magnet one way it magnetizes the aluminum. This is no mystery.
Quote from: oscar on May 20, 2009, 07:44:23 AM
I thought a bit more about X00013's sliding magnet experiment described in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Also please consider AbbaRue's posting
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180594#msg180594
I suggest the following conclusion: In case a piece of aluminium and a magnet are moved relative to each other, such as with a piece of aluminium and a sliding magnet or as with a static magnet (= stator magnet) and a moving piece of alu (rotor disc), the movement creates eddy currents in the aluminium. These eddy currents in turn create/possess a magnetic field, as electrical currents do.
This magnetic field of the eddy currents is emanating from the aluminium disc as long as there is movement.
And this magnetic field will interact with the pole pieces of the stator magnet.
Depending on how the two fields are angled or positioned relative to each other, one pole of the stator magnet will attract the disc and the other pole of the stator magnet will repel it.
I think that someone with a deeper understanding or feel for these interactions, may be able to build a continuously rotating device.
While such a device powers ones house, one could - in one's free time - go fishing. So I suggest people hold on to their fishing lines.
Did Sterling post Tom Valone's letter to the NEC about this yet?
Quote from: waynegage on May 20, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
What's wrong with you people? Aluminum is slighly magnetic. When releasing the magnet one way it magnetizes the aluminum. This is no mystery.
Do a control experiment.
Two magnets, each on a seperate piece of aluminum, opposite poles facing down.
@jfhoss
How about preventing people getting ripped of. My last professional job this year involved assessing a magnetic motor where the inventor had already ripped of $300K USD. He was trying for millions....thankfully we busted him. I can list many others..some in the millions of dollars ripped of of inocent people..sometimes there life savings.
And how many people have wasted many hours and lots of money follow Mylow the monkey??? So if we are bullies what does that them. More importantly what does that make you...we call it an accessory to the fact. IE you know of a fraudulant behaviour and you still promote it.
Why magnetic motors are so scrutinised...no one has ever produced a replicable, independently validated one to date. You also might have to re write some of the laws of physics as well. So its a big claim that needs big proof.
Quote from: jfhoss on May 20, 2009, 10:19:17 AM
I know if a bullys post count is high, they feel superior and justified in their actions. I know they are not either of those. Just frustrated individuals who are looking to justify their existance by putting down others with quick replies and smarmy comments which happen to increase their post count.
Quote from: jfhoss on May 20, 2009, 10:19:17 AM
If I should ever happen to stumble upon a working Overunity Device. I KNOW that it will not be brought to this forum, nor will I read comments from users of this forum.
If you never share the device then the only person who would lose anything is yourself as no-one will ever know it existed.
If you say you have found a device but don't share it and say it's because of this forum then the only person who would lose anything is yourself as people will think you are lying and/or crazy.
If you share the device then no-one loses anything because it's still going to be public.
Not trying to be a bully, just stating the obvious. :-\
Couldn't this phenomenon be attributed to an irregularity in the magnetic field of the neo magnet? What if the magnetic lines come out of one end more concentrated than the other? couldn't that have the same effect. At the right slope the magnet might slide and brake on one side and tumble when started on the other. It seems like the simplest explanaition. I'm kinda new to this subject but when I apply Occam's razor I think it is a property of the magnet. More of the right info could change my mind I suppose. :-)
Hmm
"Hello all. I'm new to the site and have not posted because what I could have said in the past was already stated, or most likely had been. I have been interested in magnets for roughly 25 years of my 34 years on this earth."
So I take it you would have an idea of the polarity on a claimed working device!
Mylow sure did not.
His current motor?
Could you give a reference to the current one please?
Quote
I don't know if Mylows current motor is a fake or not. And honestly I believe no one on this forum does either. This is only because he has not allowed those on this forum or of a "University" level to physically touch it.
I'm just going on what I saw from the videos and (sliding neo magnets on video) and what I tried myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edl5PsSyjG0&feature=channel_page
It's my best explaination. I really do chalk it up as nonsymetry in the magnet. I'd love to be wrong here. :-)
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 20, 2009, 10:36:52 AM
Hmm
"Hello all. I'm new to the site and have not posted because what I could have said in the past was already stated, or most likely had been. I have been interested in magnets for roughly 25 years of my 34 years on this earth."
So I take it you would have an idea of the polarity on a claimed working device!
Mylow sure did not.
Interesting that jfhoss (newbie, 1 post) has been following all of this from the beginning yet he joined this forum on May 4th, 2009? I guess he must mean he has been following all of this on Youtube since last year.
While casting your dispersions upon Overunity.com you may want to remember that it was the fellows here that exposed this for what it is. How come you left that out? That is a big deal and they did the FE community a very great service.
So, if one "thinks" they have discovered a working magnet motor and do not want to post it here, it just may be because one might be afraid of the technical scrutiny it will come under here and any errors and use of fishline will be discovered.
Bill
>I don't know if Mylow is a con man/jokester or honest. And, no one on this forum does either.
Yes we do.
Start from the begining and pay attention. Mylow has pulled a fast one and has duped a lot of people.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 11:13:08 AM
Interesting that jfhoss (newbie, 1 post) has been following all of this from the beginning yet he joined this forum on May 4th, 2009? I guess he must mean he has been following all of this on Youtube since last year.
While casting your dispersions upon Overunity.com you may want to remember that it was the fellows here that exposed this for what it is. How come you left that out? That is a big deal and they did the FE community a very great service.
So, if one "thinks" they have discovered a working magnet motor and do not want to post it here, it just may be because one might be afraid of the technical scrutiny it will come under here and any errors and use of fishline will be discovered.
Bill
Bill:
I agree with you. Some members of this forum maybe seem obnoxious but extraordinary claims demands extraordinary proofs and if we were to just believe everything we see we'll be like the gullible yahoo group members. That's why free speech is important and we don't need a moderator with one sided views.
Now without people like the Rosphere, the Finish Genius, TK and others, the low life MyLow's will still be looking with complete sincerity into the camera whilst we waste a bag of money and time chasing the wind. Do we want cheaters and liars with no conscience showing us how they did their tricks?
I am glad about outspoken members.
cheers
chrisC
I think the MYLOW saga brought the skepticism to itself.
The video was interesting, what started happening and what was said right after it was a cause for alarm.
Almost instantly, Sterling had a web page going started compiling "plans" for sale, structured income distribution. Then came the real tipoffs:
MIB's, the Joe Biden thing, crop circle refernces, Mylow talks to nature, refusal for anyone to witness it, the dramatic cemetary video.
Apparently his wife was part of the prank too, noting in this video clip that she saw "nothing hooked up to this thing".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuVhO70aWpY&feature=channel_page
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 11:13:08 AM
Interesting that jfhoss (newbie, 1 post) has been following all of this from the beginning yet he joined this forum on May 4th, 2009? I guess he must mean he has been following all of this on Youtube since last year. ...
Without commenting on the rest of this, I'm just wondering why otherwise seemingly intellegent people make statements about "newbie" status, number of posts, etc. as if that means _anything_ significant to any particular discussion?
From a psycological point of view, I'm guessing that it has something to do with or related to a sense of "status within a community" and/or pack-mentality and/or assumed pecking-order within the group (or something). Or (in some cases) maybe just general paranioa ("hmm... I bet that's so-n-so, using a new account!") - which may or may not be warranted in any particular instance.
Since I'm a "newbie" as well, does that mean I was born yesterday? That I probably don't have anything usefull to add? That I'm probably lying about whatever it is I do say? That my opinions are less valid than someone with "hero" status? Seriously? ~ baffling ~
Just for the record, the first time I viewed an OverUnity.com web page was a week (10 days?) or so ago. At which time, I spent time reading this entire forum/threads related to the Mylow project. So while I admittedly don't know the entire on-going history (drama) of all the players involved on the entire site and various other projects (both valid and false-claims), I did follow this particular project for a week or so before signing up to post my observation of the "potential" motive (ie. the "Shiloh Prophecy"), because it seemed like the next logical step was to wonder "why" he was faking results and noone had yet mentioned that aspect at the time.
Anyway, I'm not claiming any particular expertise/knowledge on my part - as I mentioned in a previous post, I'm basically just a casual/interested observer - I'm just baffled whenever someone plays the "newbie" card to discredit someone (noone's done it to me here, but it's been done multiple times to others in this thread).
Quote from: Albert Johnson on May 20, 2009, 07:58:24 AM
@ TinselKoala
I guess it's time for an apology - sorry for my flaming.
I really thought this was the "real deal" - which obviously is not the case.
Sorry again and keep up your good research work (and of course your skeptical mind ;))!
Apology accepted. Thanks.
TK
From HJ, regarding the strength of poles and the Al bar experiment:
http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/new_page_31.htm
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Do a control experiment.
Two magnets, each on a seperate piece of aluminum, opposite poles facing down.
Or, perhaps an even better control experiment, that addresses the issue raised, is to use copper compared to aluminum. Their magnetic properties are opposite: that is, one is diamagnetic and the other is paramagnetic. And copper is kind of special as far as magnetism goes, because of its electron shell structure.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 20, 2009, 11:46:59 AM
Without commenting on the rest of this, I'm just wondering why otherwise seemingly intellegent people make statements about "newbie" status, number of posts, etc. as if that means _anything_ significant to any particular discussion?
From a psycological point of view, I'm guessing that it has something to do with or related to a sense of "status within a community" and/or pack-mentality and/or assumed pecking-order within the group (or something). Or (in some cases) maybe just general paranioa ("hmm... I bet that's so-n-so, using a new account!") - which may or may not be warranted in any particular instance.
Since I'm a "newbie" as well, does that mean I was born yesterday? That I probably don't have anything usefull to add? That I'm probably lying about whatever it is I do say? That my opinions are less valid than someone with "hero" status? Seriously? ~ baffling ~
Just for the record, the first time I viewed an OverUnity.com web page was a week (10 days?) or so ago. At which time, I spent time reading this entire forum/threads related to the Mylow project. So while I admittedly don't know the entire on-going history (drama) of all the players involved on the entire site and various other projects (both valid and false-claims), I did follow this particular project for a week or so before signing up to post my observation of the "potential" motive (ie. the "Shiloh Prophecy"), because it seemed like the next logical step was to wonder "why" he was faking results and noone had yet mentioned that aspect at the time.
Anyway, I'm not claiming any particular expertise/knowledge on my part - as I mentioned in a previous post, I'm basically just a casual/interested observer - I'm just baffled whenever someone plays the "newbie" card to discredit someone (noone's done it to me here, but it's been done multiple times to others in this thread).
It's a "street cred" kind of thing, nothing more really. Just a dig because so many noobs jump into a thread without putting their suits on, so to speak...
Like it doesn't matter how big and bad you are, if you are the new kid on the block you've got to kick some butt before anyone will pay attention to you.
Don't worry about it, keep posting, that's part of the initiation, I think.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
TK
From HJ, regarding the strength of poles and the Al bar experiment:
http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/new_page_31.htm
Thanks.
"The north element (vortex) is dominant, and has proven to be the stronger vortex with higher gauss ratings." (sic)
Is there a peer-reviewed reference on this claim that I can look up and read, or are we depending on HJ's experimental methodology for this?
Take 4 identical magnets. Pair them off, stack them in tubes vertically and repusively. So 2 tubes each with 2 magnets. One pair N poles facing, the other pair S poles facing. Measure the separation. Pair the magnets the other ways (I get 4 possible combinations to test) and measure the separation. If the N pole is stronger than the S pole, the repulsion height for the N-N pairs should be greater than the height for the S-S pairs. Or v-v.
Shouldn't it?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
It's a "street cred" kind of thing, nothing more really. Just a dig because so many noobs jump into a thread without putting their suits on, so to speak...
Like it doesn't matter how big and bad you are, if you are the new kid on the block you've got to kick some butt before anyone will pay attention to you.
Don't worry about it, keep posting, that's part of the initiation, I think.
I appreciate the honest response, but isn't it ironic that several members here, while touting the 'quality' of this site often invoke the "free speech!" card? Does the free speech only apply to those with the "proper street cred" on this site? ::)
I think that goes directly to what the poster above was trying to point out - there's a fair amount of (unecessary) bullying that takes place here - not that other forums (every other existing forum/community) don't have the exact same issues, of course - but it's worth pointing out every now and then.
Welcome jfhoss.
This is perhaps not the best time to come i'm afraid. But it will likely calm down again soon.
Don't be discouraged, there is much to learn here despite the current situation! ;)
To briefly summarize what happened and what the fuss is all about...
Back in early March "Mylow" posted You-Tube videos of a supposedly working Howard R. Johnson motor... Almost exactly 30 years after the April, 1979 awarding of the major and first HJ Patent for the design.
... But the "current" or "latest" (and presumably "last") version of the mylow motor was found to be operated by fishing line attached to a DC motor: A clear and obvious fake (once it was pointed out to everyone, anyway).
There is still some remaining controversy regarding the earliest "Stonehenge" model from March (which had "U"-shaped channel magnets on the rotor instead of flat bar magnets as the later ones did), which some are saying was actually "valid" ; and was then suppressed by the government who then supposedly forced mylow to deliberately falsify the later versions under their orders and threats. This also appears to be his story now (or at least his twin brother's).
This of course is highly speculative, as there is nothing to back it (and the 2 or 3 known serious replications of that first rotor channel magnet design done by people here did not work either; over a period of about 3 weeks of trying), and there is of course the conclusive proof of later fraud which frankly makes it rather hard for people to accept anything having to do with Mylow now. And of course no one was ever allowed to see the device working in person: Despite dozens here and other places calling loudly and repeatedly for independent verifications to happen.
... And BTW, this fakery would also makes it hard to accept any of the technical information disseminated; such as "magnetizing orientations" (in other words in the original design, how were the stator mags actually supposed to be magnetized, "front to back", or "side to side"?). None of that information is "trustworthy" now, and anyone who was attempting a channel mag "Stonehenge" replication in the future would need to try both to be sure, i suppose.
Unfortunately, there appear to be no "High Res" vids available for the early Stonehenge design videos, making it apparently impossible to determine if string was used there too, since they are too low in resolution to pick out very thin and translucent fishing line (...thus the continued controversy in the face of proofs of later fraud). Only after the "obviously faked" motor came out, did the High-Resolution videos become available. Many people are saying he faked those early ones too, perhaps using different methods, but that appears inconclusive as well at least so far (but it is the prevailing opinion at this point, as you may have noticed).
So again, like this entire exercise, we are left with "belief" lol... Could the government have "forced" the later fakes to discredit and suppress, or not? If it was all "fake", were mylow and his brother working alone... Or was it all an elaborate plan somehow, done by "agents unknown", possibly to discredit the Open Source community, or for some other, yet unseen reason?
Hopefully the lesson of independent verifications being ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED before moving ahead will remain as the legacy for this episode.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 20, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
I appreciate the honest response, but isn't it ironic that several members here, while touting the 'quality' of this site often invoke the "free speech!" card? Does the free speech only apply to those with the "proper street cred" on this site? ::)
I think that goes directly to what the poster above was trying to point out - there's a fair amount of (unecessary) bullying that takes place here - not that other forums (every other existing forum/community) don't have the exact same issues, of course - but it's worth pointing out every now and then.
I agree, and just like with bullies on the street or in the office, if you are intimidated by them you lose. You've got to stand up and give as good as you get, without falling down into their mindset.
There have been some moderator deletions for ideological reasons and I strongly object to that. Edits for pure trollism or foulness I wholeheartedly endorse--after a specific warning so what's not tolerated is known clearly.
IMHO.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 20, 2009, 12:19:15 PM
Welcome jfhoss.
(snip)
Hopefully the lesson of independent verifications being ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED before moving ahead will remain as the legacy for this episode.
Overall that's an excellent summary of the facts--I don't agree with some of the interpretations but that's my problem.
But the last statement deserves a comment.
I don't think, in cases like this one (someone claims the impossible) that independent replications should even BEGIN until the claims of the inventor or builder about the original device are verified.
That is, if you are actually trying to replicate. Because how do you know what you are replicating? The present case is a perfect example.
Now, me, I'm in a different boat in a different sea. I build things to prove they Don't Work, IF I CAN, so my motivations are different and my work is harder--because it is actually possible.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 20, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
I appreciate the honest response, but isn't it ironic that several members here, while touting the 'quality' of this site often invoke the "free speech!" card? Does the free speech only apply to those with the "proper street cred" on this site? ::)
I think that goes directly to what the poster above was trying to point out - there's a fair amount of (unecessary) bullying that takes place here - not that other forums (every other existing forum/community) don't have the exact same issues, of course - but it's worth pointing out every now and then.
Psyclone:
Boy, you sure missed the entire meaning of my post if you are referring to me. I made no reference to the guy being a newbie and not knowing anything and that he has no right to post....where did I do that? How the heck could you read that into my post? I simply pointed out that he missed the most important thing about the OU folks solving this mystery and while he was busy saying how everyone here abuses folks, he had left out the one truly fantastic thing that they did accomplish.
I simply noted a possible discrepancy in his post (note, I said "possible") where he said he was following this from Nov. 2008 and yet he joined the end of the first week in May 09. I also pointed out that possibly, he meant he had been following this on Youtube since that time. No where did I ever say he didn't know anything because he was a newbie. I don't care if he had 10,000 posts, it would not have changed a word that I posted. Maybe I am such a terrible communicator and this is my fault but, I in no way even meant to imply that someone's knoweldge or IQ is related to the number of posts they have made. That makes no sense at all.
Maybe my passion for seeing the guys here that busted this story wide open through diligent, scientific and, might I add, voluntary research, get the credit they deserve clouded my choosing the exactly correct words. I reread my post 3 times and I still can't see how someone could even possibly think I called somone ignorant because they have only a few posts. Like I said, maybe it's me.
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Thanks.
"The north element (vortex) is dominant, and has proven to be the stronger vortex with higher gauss ratings." (sic)
Is there a peer-reviewed reference on this claim that I can look up and read, or are we depending on HJ's experimental methodology for this?
Take 4 identical magnets. Pair them off, stack them in tubes vertically and repusively. So 2 tubes each with 2 magnets. One pair N poles facing, the other pair S poles facing. Measure the separation. Pair the magnets the other ways (I get 4 possible combinations to test) and measure the separation. If the N pole is stronger than the S pole, the repulsion height for the N-N pairs should be greater than the height for the S-S pairs. Or v-v.
Shouldn't it?
I'm not aware of a peer reviewed analysis. @ The experiment, it seems that you might need a very precise instrument to measure the height difference?
Quote from: oscar on May 20, 2009, 02:48:13 AM
I did the experiment with the (neo) magnet sliding along a steeply inclined aluminium plate as show in X00000013's video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
My findings confirm the effect visible in the video:
Depending on which magnetic pole faces the aluminium plate, the magnet was sliding slowly down or - when the other pole faces the plate - it jumped off the steeply inclined plate.
My theory:
The movement of the magnet relative to the plate - i.e. the sliding movement - creates eddy currents in the plate which in turn possess (or create) a magnetic field.
Depending on which pole of the magnet faces the plate, the sliding magnet gets attracted to the plate (or the field that is created in the plate by the eddy currents, see above) or the magnet gets repelled from the plate.
If the magnet gets (slightly) repelled from the plate it will slide faster or even jump off.
If the magnet gets (slightly) attracted to the plate, it slides slower due to increased drag/friction.
Attention @ all:
There is no attraction in eddie currents in aluminum or copper. eddie currents create the exact pole that is facing it. The aluminum creates a eddie current charge right below the magnet and gravity keeps the mag on the bar. As I said in a previous post one pole is stronger than the other. When you put the weaker side down it does not create enough eddie currents, and the stronger magnetic flux will start to create eddie and the small mag starts to tumble kicking it off the plate. To make the mag stop tumbling try using a magnet with a lager surface area. If you are worried about the magnet being to strong use a ceramic.
EDIT: when you increase the angle gravity can not hold the mag on the bar.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 12:29:32 PM
Psyclone:
Boy, you sure missed the entire meaning of my post if you are referring to me. I made no reference to the guy being a newbie and not knowing anything and that he has no right to post....where did I do that? ... snip ...
Hi Pirate,
First off, I wasn't "only" referring to your post - as I mentioned, this (percieved) type of thing has happened multiple times within this thread. And while I'm at it, I certainly didn't mean to attribute
all my following rambling on the subject (ie. limited IQ, etc) to your post - I just didn't insert the proper segway (sp?) between the initial statement and my rambling, I guess.
Also, forum discussions are an inexact form of communications, so I appologize if I misinterpreted anything (or any motive behind anything) you said and can appreciate the idea that you may have misinterpreted what the OP said as well.
Just to clarify my take on it though, here was his opening comments...
QuoteHello all. I'm new to the site and have not posted because what I could have said in the past was already stated, or most likely had been. I have been interested in magnets for roughly 25 years of my 34 years on this earth.
...so he starts out by explaining that this is his first post here and some reasoning behind it. He then (skipping a paragraph) says...
QuoteI've been following Mylows work since about November of 2008 (I believe) and brought a very skeptical mind. However, I do believe in learning from others success and mistakes. His work is what brought me to this forum.
...note that he didn't say that he'd been following threads here since Nov. 2008, he said that he basically already knew about Mylow (yes, presumably from earlier YT vids (?)) since Nov. 2008.
Then in your response, you start it with...
QuoteInteresting that jfhoss (newbie, 1 post) has been following all of this from the beginning yet he joined this forum on May 4th, 2009? I guess he must mean he has been following all of this on Youtube since last year.
...I readily admit that I may have mistinterpeted your meaning behind that sentence (statement/ponder is often indistinguishable from sarcasm in forum threads), but what jumped out at me was the part I marked as bold, above - "newbie, 1 post" - when clearly he had already mentioned that, up front and had also explained that he'd been following "Mylow's work" since last year (without qualifying the source of reference).
Anyway, my objection was really more general in nature and not just directed at your post - you just used the "newbie" keyword and it triggered my response mechanism :).
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Attention @ all:
There is no attraction in eddie currents in aluminum or copper. eddie currents create the exact pole that is facing it. The aluminum creates a eddie current charge right below the magnet and gravity keeps the mag on the bar. As I said in a previous post one pole is stronger than the other. When you put the weaker side down it does not create enough eddie currents, and the stronger magnetic flux will start to create eddie and the small mag starts to tumble kicking it off the plate. To make the mag stop tumbling try using a magnet with a lager surface area. If you are worried about the magnet being to strong use a ceramic.
A test was done on 90 degree copper and the effect was apparent. I haven't yet seen a 90 degree Al test, perhaps you'd like to do one. The effect on copper is probably not a good guage as to whether gravity comes into play, due to simple magnetic attraction. I'd like to see a 90 degree test on Al.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Attention @ all:
There is no attraction in eddie currents in aluminum or copper. eddie currents create the exact pole that is facing it. The aluminum creates a eddie current charge right below the magnet and gravity keeps the mag on the bar. As I said in a previous post one pole is stronger than the other. When you put the weaker side down it does not create enough eddie currents, and the stronger magnetic flux will start to create eddie and the small mag starts to tumble kicking it off the plate. To make the mag stop tumbling try using a magnet with a lager surface area. If you are worried about the magnet being to strong use a ceramic.
Does your above explaination (ie. gravity, etc) account for this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw-i5Ku0mI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw-i5Ku0mI)
..I take it that you're not implying that there is no acttractive/repulsive affect?
(for the record, I don't know - I'm trying to learn)
Were the idea is correct, the application is a slight delay. The currents are a tendency to the right angle of the motion. Different materials different delays. For the most part this is ignored until the higher frequencies get involved. It can become a big problem then.
So far this is still an interesting observation. so some thing from the mylow thing did happen. Strange how such works.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Attention @ all:
There is no attraction in eddie currents in aluminum or copper. eddie currents create the exact pole that is facing it. The aluminum creates a eddie current charge right below the magnet and gravity keeps the mag on the bar. As I said in a previous post one pole is stronger than the other. When you put the weaker side down it does not create enough eddie currents, and the stronger magnetic flux will start to create eddie and the small mag starts to tumble kicking it off the plate. To make the mag stop tumbling try using a magnet with a lager surface area. If you are worried about the magnet being to strong use a ceramic.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 12:56:30 PM
A test was done on 90 degree copper and the effect was apparent. I haven't yet seen a 90 degree Al test, perhaps you'd like to do one. The effect on copper is probably not a good guage as to whether gravity comes into play, due to simple magnetic attraction. I'd like to see a 90 degree test on Al.
magnets are not attracted to copper. when you make the angle steeper gravity no longer holds the mag on the bar and it starts to tumble
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 01:07:18 PM
magnets are not attracted to copper. when you make the angle steeper gravity no longer holds the mag on the bar and it starts to tumble
Sure about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtJsYVSswo&feature=channel_page
@ Psyclone:
Thanks for your response. Yes, My post would have had the same meaning (from my standpoint of what I was trying to say) had I left out the Newbie thing in parenthesis. Also, even though you didn't mention it, it occurred to me later that a fellow could be reading all the posts since the beginning while not having joined as a member, I had not considered that possibility either.
I agree 100% that the number of posts a fellow has in no way reflects upon his, or her, intelligence or level of understanding. But, also, as TK said, sometimes you will see someone enter a topic without having read any of the previous posts and tell everyone why something won't work, etc. (I am speaking generally now, not about the aforementioned individual) We used to see this all the time in the earth battery topic.
I am still appalled at the lack of recognition given these folks here that solved this Mylow motor deal. This is a true testament of what can be done working together using open source software and some very good minds. I would have thought that Sterling could have at least given the Overunity forum the credit it deserves for that. He could have said while he didn't like some of the things said about mylow here, that it was the hard work and great expertise of these guys over here that broke this story wide open. Yet, he has yet to do so.
Thanks again for your civil response.
Bill
Quote from: Psyclone on May 20, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw-i5Ku0mI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw-i5Ku0mI)
Lenz's Law demo
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 20, 2009, 01:06:18 PM
Were the idea is correct, the application is a slight delay. The currents are a tendency to the right angle of the motion. Different materials different delays. For the most part this is ignored until the higher frequencies get involved. It can become a big problem then.
So far this is still an interesting observation. so some thing from the mylow thing did happen. Strange how such works.
NO NO NO you are simply not understanding what is going on. When you walk on a incline gravity will hold to the ground. when you walk off of a cliff you fall. As for why one side is different than the other is because of different strengths of the poles. The stronger side creates enough eddie to make a cussion below and hold and slow. Please do not say that anything good came out of mylow's fake because nothing did.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
Sure about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRtJsYVSswo&feature=channel_page
Please before you post do some reasearch. Tha magnet is not slowed because of attraction it is slowed because of repell below it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 01:21:19 PM
Please before you post do some reasearch. Tha magnet is not slowed because of attraction it is slowed because of repell below it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 01:07:18 PM
magnets are not attracted to copper. when you make the angle steeper gravity no longer holds the mag on the bar and it starts to tumble
The magnet does not tumble at a 90 degree angle, ie: gravity is not a factor. Watch the entire video.
"I am still appalled at the lack of recognition given these folks here that solved this Mylow motor deal. This is a true testament of what can be done working together using open source software
and some very good minds. I would have thought that Sterling could have at least given the Overunity forum the credit it deserves for that. He could have said while he didn't like some of the things said about mylow here, that it was the hard work and great expertise of these guys over here that broke this story wide open. Yet, he has yet to do so.
Thanks again for your civil response.
Bill "
Thank you to the video professors who spent the time to pick over the mylow vids frame by frame. While the prospect of being spoon fed some novel method to make a PMM was appealing to my lazy side it is also equally appealing to know it has yet to be done after the fraud was revealed. 1 million ways how it wont work is 1 million closer to what might by elimination. It only takes one right way the number of wrong ways does not make any difference to me if it is 100 or 100 million.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
I'm not aware of a peer reviewed analysis. @ The experiment, it seems that you might need a very precise instrument to measure the height difference?
Unlike others we won't mention, I do know how to use a micrometer, and other measuring instruments. I have an optical position sensor package (Keyence) that is accurate to under 10 microns, if I can figure out how to stuff it in there.
I'm not saying the measurement isn't technically difficult, just that I can (if necessary) do it with sufficient accuracy.
Oh, I just realized I don't need to stuff it in. I can just measure the magnets, and then have the Keyence looking at the top of the top magnet.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:23:42 PM
The magnet does not tumble at a 90 degree angle, ie: gravity is not a factor. Watch the entire video.
And in repeated tests with a thin disk magnet, right at the critical angle, it looks like the Leading (bottom) edge lifts up and the magnet actually starts to tumble backwards. It's not the top edge falling forward, it's the bottom edge falling backwards (up) at least at the moment of departure.
I think.
Thinking it over, I still cannot figure why one pole would behave differently to the other, but for the sake of argument lets just make that accepted.
Now why I think the one pole flies off.
If we start the magnet sliding down we know that Lenz law comes into play, the magnet causes the metal to create an opposing field, but it's an attractive field to the other pole, so it's likely that the magnet is being pulled head over heels but now you have the opposite pole creating an opposing magnetic field in the metal, no time to flip and slide down further, it is already tumbling.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 01:23:42 PM
The magnet does not tumble at a 90 degree angle, ie: gravity is not a factor. Watch the entire video.
READ MY OTHER COMENTS TO GET THE WHOLE PICTURE. Because the one pole is stronger than the other it creates more eddy and makes a cussion below the mag which will keep the STRONGER side on the steep slant. When the weak side is down lets say the south so the north is the strong side. So when the south is down it will make eddy but not enough to keep the cussion and the stronger pole which is the opposite pole that is made on the aluminum or copper will be attracted to the aluminum or copper and will flip which will make it tumble. THERE IS NO ATTRACTION IN COPPER.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 01:56:22 PM
And in repeated tests with a thin disk magnet, right at the critical angle, it looks like the Leading (bottom) edge lifts up and the magnet actually starts to tumble backwards. It's not the top edge falling forward, it's the bottom edge falling backwards (up) at least at the moment of departure.
I think.
That's quite interesting.
I was aware in my argument that if the experiment had STARTED at 90 degrees it would have most likely fallen away on the N pole as well.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 01:59:52 PM
READ MY OTHER COMENTS TO GET THE WHOLE PICTURE. Because the one pole is stronger than the other it creates more eddy and makes a cussion below the mag which will keep the STRONGER side on the steep slant. When the weak side is down lets say the south so the north is the strong side. So when the south is down it will make eddy but not enough to keep the cussion and the stronger pole which is the opposite pole that is made on the aluminum or copper will be attracted to the aluminum or copper and will flip which will make it tumble. THERE IS NO ATTRACTION IN COPPER.
I know what you're saying, my point is essentially that since the difference in pole strength in magnets is very minor, the enormous difference w/ the eddy test is surprising.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
Thinking it over, I still cannot figure why one pole would behave differently to the other, but for the sake of argument lets just make that accepted.
Now why I think the one pole flies off.
If we start the magnet sliding down we know that Lenz law comes into play, the magnet causes the metal to create an opposing field, but it's an attractive field to the other pole, so it's likely that the magnet is being pulled head over heels but now you have the opposite pole creating an opposing magnetic field in the metal, no time to flip and slide down further, it is already tumbling.
exactly what I have been saying :'( :'(
So a good way to find out is like I said before, find a mganet that is just as strong but with more surface area so it will not flip.
This topic deserves its own thread.
Ah the fun of this.
Using one pole to the item induction is being generated in creates a simple problem. The field bends and goes in both directions due to this. Going with the rule of induced currents both directions are formed. This using the single pole in method produces a bit more than the simple single pole game. It even sets up a canceling effect of the currents due to the directions it travels in.
Using a single pole into the material does not create just one pole.
There is a good reason to used dual poles to show such induction effects. It makes it much easier to show the single pole effect of induction. The field just becomes in one direction to the travel.
If you are so inclined do the math and graphs of this mess.
I still will not discount the poles variation being the cause, yet such may denote a domain variation to poles of the magnet being used.
This all of course does not even cover the tendency for material to have a spin on the electrons in one direction over the other, etc,,,
Think of it this way up down pole down up. Or reverse for the other pole.
Quote from: tournamentdan on May 20, 2009, 01:21:19 PM
Please before you post do some reasearch. Tha magnet is not slowed because of attraction it is slowed because of repell below it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 01:14:47 PM
@ Psyclone:
Thanks for your response. Yes, My post would have had the same meaning (from my standpoint of what I was trying to say) had I left out the Newbie thing in parenthesis. Also, even though you didn't mention it, it occurred to me later that a fellow could be reading all the posts since the beginning while not having joined as a member, I had not considered that possibility either.
I agree 100% that the number of posts a fellow has in no way reflects upon his, or her, intelligence or level of understanding. But, also, as TK said, sometimes you will see someone enter a topic without having read any of the previous posts and tell everyone why something won't work, etc. (I am speaking generally now, not about the aforementioned individual) We used to see this all the time in the earth battery topic.
I am still appalled at the lack of recognition given these folks here that solved this Mylow motor deal. This is a true testament of what can be done working together using open source software and some very good minds. I would have thought that Sterling could have at least given the Overunity forum the credit it deserves for that. He could have said while he didn't like some of the things said about mylow here, that it was the hard work and great expertise of these guys over here that broke this story wide open. Yet, he has yet to do so.
Thanks again for your civil response.
Bill
Agreed - on all counts - and... ditto.
Quote from: oscar on May 20, 2009, 07:44:23 AM
I thought a bit more about X00013's sliding magnet experiment described in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqL3Byy9mDA
Also please consider AbbaRue's posting
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg180594#msg180594
I suggest the following conclusion: In case a piece of aluminium and a magnet are moved relative to each other, such as with a piece of aluminium and a sliding magnet or as with a static magnet (= stator magnet) and a moving piece of alu (rotor disc), the movement creates eddy currents in the aluminium. These eddy currents in turn create/possess a magnetic field, as electrical currents do.
This magnetic field of the eddy currents is emanating from the aluminium disc as long as there is movement.
And this magnetic field will interact with the pole pieces of the stator magnet.
Depending on how the two fields are angled or positioned relative to each other, one pole of the stator magnet will attract the disc and the other pole of the stator magnet will repel it.
I think that someone with a deeper understanding or feel for these interactions, may be able to build a continuously rotating device.
While such a device powers ones house, one could - in one's free time - go fishing. So I suggest people hold on to their fishing lines.
What an excellent post. Thanks
Quote from: jibbguy on May 20, 2009, 12:19:15 PM
Welcome jfhoss.
This is perhaps not the best time to come i'm afraid. But it will likely calm down again soon.
Don't be discouraged, there is much to learn here despite the current situation! ;)
To briefly summarize what happened and what the fuss is all about...
Back in early March "Mylow" posted You-Tube videos of a supposedly working Howard R. Johnson motor... Almost exactly 30 years after the April, 1979 awarding of the major and first HJ Patent for the design.
... But the "current" or "latest" (and presumably "last") version of the mylow motor was found to be operated by fishing line attached to a DC motor: A clear and obvious fake (once it was pointed out to everyone, anyway).
There is still some remaining controversy regarding the earliest "Stonehenge" model from March (which had "U"-shaped channel magnets on the rotor instead of flat bar magnets as the later ones did), which some are saying was actually "valid" ; and was then suppressed by the government who then supposedly forced mylow to deliberately falsify the later versions under their orders and threats. This also appears to be his story now (or at least his twin brother's).
This of course is highly speculative, as there is nothing to back it (and the 2 or 3 known serious replications of that first rotor channel magnet design done by people here did not work either; over a period of about 3 weeks of trying), and there is of course the conclusive proof of later fraud which frankly makes it rather hard for people to accept anything having to do with Mylow now. And of course no one was ever allowed to see the device working in person: Despite dozens here and other places calling loudly and repeatedly for independent verifications to happen.
... And BTW, this fakery would also makes it hard to accept any of the technical information disseminated; such as "magnetizing orientations" (in other words in the original design, how were the stator mags actually supposed to be magnetized, "front to back", or "side to side"?). None of that information is "trustworthy" now, and anyone who was attempting a channel mag "Stonehenge" replication in the future would need to try both to be sure, i suppose.
Unfortunately, there appear to be no "High Res" vids available for the early Stonehenge design videos, making it apparently impossible to determine if string was used there too, since they are too low in resolution to pick out very thin and translucent fishing line (...thus the continued controversy in the face of proofs of later fraud). Only after the "obviously faked" motor came out, did the High-Resolution videos become available. Many people are saying he faked those early ones too, perhaps using different methods, but that appears inconclusive as well at least so far (but it is the prevailing opinion at this point, as you may have noticed).
So again, like this entire exercise, we are left with "belief" lol... Could the government have "forced" the later fakes to discredit and suppress, or not? If it was all "fake", were mylow and his brother working alone... Or was it all an elaborate plan somehow, done by "agents unknown", possibly to discredit the Open Source community, or for some other, yet unseen reason?
Hopefully the lesson of independent verifications being ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED before moving ahead will remain as the legacy for this episode.
A voice of reason in this sea of madness, imagine that.
Channel magnets:
Outside S pointing away from disc center
Inside N pointing towards disc center
Stator (BLACK)
Horseshoe which had initial N-N legs and was later remagnitized S-N
Stator almost touching disc with legs pointing towards channel magnets, as close as you can without touching
All aluminum Stand, disc & non magnetic screws.
Ball bearing.
High res video #6 on LRCan1´s channel: (Stator N-S towards rim)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Good luck to all replicating (including me)
No I am not stubborn, I know a PsyOP when I see one.
Thats all.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 12:56:30 PM
A test was done on 90 degree copper and the effect was apparent. I haven't yet seen a 90 degree Al test, perhaps you'd like to do one. The effect on copper is probably not a good guage as to whether gravity comes into play, due to simple magnetic attraction. I'd like to see a 90 degree test on Al.
90 degrees on Au, enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak23j76e2yQ&NR=1
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 03:54:05 PM
90 degrees on Au, enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak23j76e2yQ&NR=1
Thanks, though I saw that one. I'd like to see just the one pole tested at 90 degrees. I wouldnt be surprised by the sheer size/power of that neo if it stays on the Al on both sides.
And yes TK this topic deserves its own thread, like the neos wrapped in aluminum foil not behaving as they should.
STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
Yeah, is it not odd that the MiB got to Mylow and suppressed his first two motors but they have allowed Sterling to continue disseminating the plans, hmm, interesting and intriguing.
Quote from: fat-lady on May 20, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Yeah, is it not odd that the MiB got to Mylow and suppressed his first two motors but they have allowed Sterling to continue disseminating the plans, hmm, interesting and intriguing.
The damage is done, who in their right minds will buy anything related to Mylow now?
"Hi this is Man in Black, can I speak to Mr Allen please?"
-This is Sterling Allen
"Ah yes, mister Allen, about the products you are selling on your website,.."
The situation contains itself. Now if they just could stop AquariuZ from posting....
Open to offers, PM me. Nothing under a million Euro in an offshore account please.
Quote from: fat-lady on May 20, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
Why? It seems that Wattsup is wide awake.
I wish the majority in here would wake up to the real scam.
Seriously, are you on something?, plans have already been sold, does not matter if they are not selling now, they were being sold before the fake videos were uncovered, so the plans are out there, the MiB have done a very poor job on this one.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:01:28 PM
The damage is done, who in their right minds will buy anything related to Mylow now?
"Hi this is Man in Black, can I speak to Mr Allen please?"
-This is Sterling Allen
"Ah yes, mister Allen, about the products you are selling on your website,.."
The situation contains itself. Now if they just could stop AquariuZ from posting....
Open to offers, PM me. Nothing under a million Euro in an offshore account please.
Quote from: fat-lady on May 20, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
Golly that's a funny list. Sterling's bulleted points are almost all either wrong or just his opinion.
"Why I Believe This is Real
On April 7, 2009, Sterling wrote:
In answer to those who have criticized me for selling plans (an adjunct to what is available for free from our open source pages) even before Mylow's motor has been replicated by someone else, here are the reasons why I believe this thing, starting with the most important to least.
* I've long believed in the possibility of an all-magnet motor being able to provide base-load power. It is not perpetual motion. It is harnessing some new aspect of magnetism that hasn't yet been appreciated by science, but will.
TK: That's your belief. That's all.
* Howard Johnson was required to have a working model in order to get a patent from USPTO. He has three patents.
TK: Wrong. He never provided a working model of his rotary device to get his patents. He demonstrated a linear SMOT that did not close the loop.
* Mylow's design is very close to Howard Johnson's Stonehenge model.
TK: Which one of Mylow's 11 working configurations do you mean here? Most of them are nothing like HJ's stonehenge design.
* The myriad of videos Mylow posted are very convincing, showing acceleration followed by maintenance of an equilibrium speed, accompanied by very gradual slowing due to magnet depletion. Though not skeptic proof, the videos do reveal a lot and correlate with what Mylow has been telling us verbally.
TK: No, you are wrong here too. It has been shown that the early vids are hand-driven and the later vids are driven by fishing line. The magnet depletion is Mylow's report and there has been no corroboration.
* The movement of the motor as shown in Mylow's videos is consistent with what I would expect from a magnet motor.
TK: I don't know what you expect, but analysis shows that the movement is consistent with external drive.
* The audio elements in the videos are consistent with what is happening visually, and with what I've heard over the phone as we've talked.
TK: Wrong again. Listen to the audio, for example, in the Tony video, and do your own motor timing.
* The partial replications that I've seen, exhibit similar (though not complete) movement to what is shown in Mylow's videos.
TK: Here I will agree. Especially the ones done by Mr Hand.
* Al Witherspoon said he saw Howard Johnson's motor running in 1978, and has been a friend/neighbors/business associate with HJ until he passed away last year. He is convinced Mylow's motor is for real.
TK: Good for Al. I saw a UFO once, hovering in 1978. Prove me wrong.
But ask what evidence I have for my claim.
* The level of skill required to pull off a hoax are far beyond what Mylow possesses, whether it be embedding hidden motors or induction or video editing or other means of giving the appearance that shows up in his videos. The background, between the lines, things that I've been able to pick up while talking to Mylow by phone have been consistent with what he has been telling me. He lives in an apartment, drives truck hauling things around Chicago, works near his residence, has a wife and twin brother, etc. These are not aspects that would be present if he had the level of skill required to fake all of this. And what would be his motive? He's not ever asked for money.
TK: Between the lines? Do you know more than you are sharing Sterling? Regardless as matters stand this statement is clearly wrong. And a possible motive that accounts for much is that Mylow wants to be Shiloh and obtain the Johnson legacy.
* Mylow has never once exhibited even the tiniest interest in getting money from this. It has been hard for me to even broach the subject with him. With many inventors, and certainly fraudsters, that's the first thing on their mind: money.
TK: That's two for you. But remember, for example, the business model of things like Google or Netscape--give it away free until you are hooked, then start shoveling the ads and etc.
* The magnets deplete (I'm hopeful that a configuration can be found that doesn't result in depletion, e.g. neodymium magnets in a plastic assembly)
TK: According to Mylow. Any outside corroboration? And, is that so unusual from alnicos moving past each other in repulsion?
* The stator magnet gets cold, which is what others have predicted and observed in related modeling.
TK: Says Mylow. Has anybody but me actually MEASURED the temperature of their stator(s)? Not that I am aware. Has anyone actually noticed the huge DRAFT that the wheel creates when running at speed? Not that I am aware. Modeling? What are the assumptions of the model; does it assume the energy must be coming from the magnets?
* History often shows that the weak and simple confound the mighty. New wine can't be put into old bottles. The establishment is too stick on themselves. The recent MIB incident is part of this transition phenomenon -- the old guard fighting the new thing that will make them obsolete.
TK: MIB incident. No proof, awfully convenient for Mylow. Incredible laxness on the part of the MIB. I think we need a new crew of MIBs if they are this incompetent.
* With the old guard in the middle of tearing down the economy to establish their world dictatorship, the timing is right for the emergence of a revolutionary, empowering technology like this.
TK: Eliminate the last two words.
* More, this is a partial list.
TK: Anything to add now, Sterling?
I think that is a very good list of reasons to believe in Mylow's claims and support the open sourcing of this design, and prepare some clear plans for those who want things distilled better than what is available for free on our site.
Purchase Mylow Magnet Motor Manual
TK: One sentence says Open Sourcing and the next sentence sells the plans, for what you have strongly implied is a working magnet motor. How can one mind hold those two contradictory thoughts in such close proximity?
Sterling should spend some time cleaning up his pages, to get rid of the obvious garbage.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
High res video #6 on LRCan1´s channel: (Stator N-S towards rim)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
3:53 - 4:01, you can see the monofilament line to the left of the particleboard stator mount. First two lines, then one as he zooms in. They're fuzzy b/c it's not the original video (youtube converts to flash) but they are 100% there. Stonehenge model debunked.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 05:07:43 PM
Seriously, are you on something?, plans have already been sold, does not matter if they are not selling now, they were being sold before the fake videos were uncovered, so the plans are out there, the MiB have done a very poor job on this one.
Yes I am onto something.
If you were like one of the individuals who bought the plans (like fat-lady there) would you start replicating at this point?
No you would post flaming material towards Sterling because he took your money.
Quod erat demonstrandum
You know, Wattsup made me think naughty thoughts.
What if there were a way to prove if someone in here is on a payroll? Without braking too many laws that is? Watssup, can you get me access to the OU server for about an hour please?
;D
Here a song while I traceback suspect IP connections:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iyohlCi4iE
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
3:53 - 4:01, you can see the monofilament line to the left of the particleboard stator mount. First two lines, then one as he zooms in. They're fuzzy b/c it's not the original video, but they are 100% there. Stonehenge model debunked.
Wow, how on earth did you change that content?
That´s clever...
OK for real, you are WRONG. I went to this footage frame by frame and there is nothing like a line as in the later videos. There are blocked artifacts all over the place, how you can turn those into a fish line is beyond me, but then again, Wattsup may have already answered that question.
That means Stefan would have to break confidentiality laws, somehow I don't think he is that stupid, do you?
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:25:59 PM
What if there were a way to prove if someone in here is on a payroll? Without braking too many laws that is? Watssup, can you get me access to the OU server for about an hour please?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
That means Stefan would have to break confidentiality laws, somehow I don't think he is that stupid, do you?
Retracted for obvious reasons
Why don´t you ask Stefan what I PMd him during the Russian skin heist?
(waves at satellite again)
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:28:27 PM
Wow, how on earth did you change that content?
That´s clever...
OK for real, you are WRONG. I went to this footage frame by frame and there is nothing like a line as in the later videos. There are blocked artifacts all over the place, how you can turn those into a fish line is beyond me, but then again, Wattsup may have already answered that question.
I know what to look for because I downloaded the high res videos. I suggest you do the same, the line is clear as a bell for long periods of time, especially on the 2nd glass table video.
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
All 9
http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
I know what to look for because I downloaded the high res videos. I suggest you do the same, the line is clear as a bell for long periods of time, especially on the 2nd glass table video.
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
All 9
http://www.mininova.org/user/jahroen
Please....
There is no line in Video #6. Your attempts at debunking are becoming pathetic to say the least.
I am looking forward to receiving my custom built channel magnets in about 10 days.
Paid for using an offshore LLC & mailed to a secure location ofcourse given the attention this subject has been getting. If I am so paranoid and wrong why all the traffic from basically the same sources.
Answer me that if you can.
I wonder who will reply when the real setup is shown running by various individuals.
Sterlings laughing all the way to the Bank
STOP THIEF
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
3:53 - 4:01, you can see the monofilament line to the left of the particleboard stator mount. First two lines, then one as he zooms in. They're fuzzy b/c it's not the original video (youtube converts to flash) but they are 100% there. Stonehenge model debunked.
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (April 06, 2009, 03:00:51 PM)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
not much data for analysis, but we clearly see an acceleration rather random ...
monofilament line (+motor) => should give a constant curve of acceleration.
hands push => should give an acceleration curve rather random.
LightRider
If it is validated, me, I will enjoy the egg on my face as I celebrate a new era.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
I wonder who will reply when the real setup is shown running by various individuals.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Please....
There is no line in Video #6. Your attempts at debunking are becoming pathetic to say the least.
I am looking forward to receiving my custom built channel magnets in about 10 days.
Paid for using an offshore LLC & mailed to a secure location ofcourse given the attention this subject has been getting. If I am so paranoid and wrong why all the traffic from basically the same sources.
Answer me that if you can.
I wonder who will reply when the real setup is shown running by various individuals.
I should be getting my magnets and aluminum platter in the mail soon too. I fell for it, I admit it. I'm not here to cause you pain, I'm just saying the high resolution videos erase all doubt. I am positive about the lines in the stonehenge video as well but won't belabor the point. Best of luck with your replication attempt (sincerely).
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (April 06, 2009, 03:00:51 PM)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
not much data for analysis, but we clearly see an acceleration rather random ...
monofilament line (+motor) => should give a constant curve of acceleration.
hands push => should give an acceleration curve rather than random.
LightRider
Exactly. If the gaps between the groups of three were a little bigger you would clearly see a sustained acceleration-deceleration pattern as expected from a running magnet motor.
The moment it leaves the gate it decelerates, the moment it nears the gate it accelerates.
Or vice versa depending on the stator orientation.
I will keep saying this for as long as I have to: Video #6 is a document of a real working setup with no external aids. The stator magnet becomes cold as it loses its energy and demagnitizes rather quickly. This is the only issue: the stator magnet demagnitizes.
Maybe if you put neos on the stator poles and move the stator back a bit you will find a configuration where it will hold for longer periods of time instead of the 24-30 hours it would run as is.
Can´t wait to try.
You believe with no proof. As for when the set up is running: is not going to happen.
But don't let reality stop you. Build an learn. You Might see a way to overcome the real problems with such.
A bit of knowledge gain by such may allow you to lead the way.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Please....
There is no line in Video #6. Your attempts at debunking are becoming pathetic to say the least.
I am looking forward to receiving my custom built channel magnets in about 10 days.
Paid for using an offshore LLC & mailed to a secure location ofcourse given the attention this subject has been getting. If I am so paranoid and wrong why all the traffic from basically the same sources.
Answer me that if you can.
I wonder who will reply when the real setup is shown running by various individuals.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
If it is validated, me, I will enjoy the egg on my face as I celebrate a new era.
What era is that?
Read my signature.
Quote from: fat-lady on May 20, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
Sterlings laughing all the way to the Bank
STOP THIEF
Are have to be kidding me? He might have netted a whopping 1 or maybe 2 grand, Oh Sure, he would risk loosing all credibility for that?
Weather you like him or not the man has much more invested in New Energy than that.
Get Real
Pete
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
I am positive about the lines in the stonehenge video as well but won't belabor the point.
Ofcourse you won´t, because you know I will rip this video apart and post a frame by frame analysis if I have too, but that would simply not do at this point, would it?
I am sorry, nothing will stop me once I have made up my mind.
Not even a crying & apologizing Mylow video which I expect any moment now.
(It´s overdue guys, why?)
Nice pre-empt huh? You should know, I was trained by the best.
1 dollar, 1 grand, is there a difference?, I will not accuse Sterling directly, but if you stole 1 dollar, is there a difference in stealing 1 grand?
Accepting any amount on a heavily proven fraud is stealing no matter the amount.
Quote from: vonwolf on May 20, 2009, 05:59:14 PM
Are have to be kidding me? He might have netted a whopping 1 or maybe 2 grand,
Please do, I would be happy to debunk your debunk, it will give me something to do.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Ofcourse you won´t, because you know I will rip this video apart and post a frame by frame analysis if I have too,
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Ofcourse you won´t, because you know I will rip this video apart and post a frame by frame analysis if I have too, but that would simply not do at this point, would it?
I am sorry, nothing will stop me once I have made up my mind.
Not even a crying & apologizing Mylow video which I expect any moment now.
(It´s overdue guys, why?)
Nice pre-empt huh? You should know, I was trained by the best.
Do whatever you want with the video, I'm telling you the lines are absolutely visible. Watch the high res videos, then watch the same vids in low res. You'll know what I'm talking about (maybe)
On a lighter note, I was looking at some excerpts from HJ's book on Bearden's site earlier, and am going to try some things, as well as possibly a shielded magnet arrangement.
http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/index.html
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 06:06:55 PM
Please do, I would be happy to debunk your debunk, it will give me something to do.
Besides debunking my debunk of your debunk of my evidence?
Who is Keith Alexander BTW?
Please enlighten me, a guy from one of your videos?
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:10:38 PM
Who is Keith Alexander BTW?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
1 dollar, 1 grand, is there a difference?, I will not accuse Sterling directly, but if you stole 1 dollar, is there a difference in stealing 1 grand?
Accepting any amount on a heavily proven fraud is stealing no matter the amount.
The difference is in what thefatlady said "laughing all the way to the bank". I'm saying that I am sure Sterling reputation is worth more than that.
Would you trash your reputation for that? With all he has invested in time and money his web sites and all?
Like I said give me a break
Quote from: vonwolf on May 20, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
The difference is in what thefatlady said "laughing all the way to the bank". I'm saying that I am sure Sterling reputation is worth more than that.
Would you trash your reputation for that? With all he has invested in time and money his web sites and all? Have you look
Like I said give me a break
What reputation?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 06:10:20 PM
On a lighter note, I was looking at some excerpts from HJ's book on Bearden's site earlier, and am going to try some things, as well as possibly a shielded magnet arrangement.
http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/index.html
You do that.
And while you are at it also please explain the link between Craddock Engineering, Dr. Greer & Tom Bearden and the mail drop @ 151 La Jolla, Santa Barbara.
For those on the level: Bearden, Greer & and a host of other individuals involved with alternative energy research are not to be trusted.
Steer clear and away from anything they say or publish.
As for Sterling, let´s see what we can find.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:31:02 PM
You do that.
And while you are at it also please explain the link between Craddock Engineering, Dr. Greer & Tom Bearden and the mail drop @ 151 La Jolla, Santa Barbara.
For those on the level: Bearden, Greer & and a host of other individuals involved with alternative energy research are not to be trusted.
Steer clear and away from anything they say or publish.
As for Sterling, let´s see what we can find.
REVRIN!
check out http://www.remnantsaints.com
if that isn't enough to make you think twice about anything sterling says then i don't know what is.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:31:02 PM
You do that.
And while you are at it also please explain the link between Craddock Engineering, Dr. Greer & Tom Bearden and the mail drop @ 151 La Jolla, Santa Barbara.
Perhaps they're in collusion with the magnet/ aluminum platter lobby in D.C. ;D
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 06:12:45 PM
Please enlighten me, a guy from one of your videos?
My next question was going to be:
What is the NCSC & why are they using proxies to connect to forums like these?
Do they not know there are people out there who are smarter than they are?
Never mind RunningBare. Never mind.
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (April 06, 2009, 03:00:51 PM)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
not much data for analysis, but we clearly see an acceleration rather random ...
monofilament line (+motor) => should give a constant curve of acceleration.
hands push => should give an acceleration curve rather random.
LightRider
Looks like a noisy signal but with several episodes of motor driven runup. The acceleration periods don't look random to me at all. I mean the timing is random, but the slope of the acceleration, accounting for noise in the signal, is remarkably constant, decreasing as the speed increases, topping out near the same value...I don't think Mr. Hand is that good...but I suppose also that the line clutch could be slipping--recall that this setup is not as stable as his later ones, maybe it has moved and the line tension is less than optimal. It can happen, I know.
And I think I saw the line in nyctuber's recent link to LR's archived copy of Mylow's highres original...but I couldn't swear to it, even though I think it must be there.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
And I think I saw the line in nyctuber's recent link to LR's archived copy of Mylow's highres original...but I couldn't swear to it, even though I think it must be there.
OMG am I the only one with a decent monitor around here???
:o
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:52:52 PM
Exactly. If the gaps between the groups of three were a little bigger you would clearly see a sustained acceleration-deceleration pattern as expected from a running magnet motor.
The moment it leaves the gate it decelerates, the moment it nears the gate it accelerates.
Or vice versa depending on the stator orientation.
I will keep saying this for as long as I have to: Video #6 is a document of a real working setup with no external aids. The stator magnet becomes cold as it loses its energy and demagnitizes rather quickly. This is the only issue: the stator magnet demagnitizes.
Maybe if you put neos on the stator poles and move the stator back a bit you will find a configuration where it will hold for longer periods of time instead of the 24-30 hours it would run as is.
Can´t wait to try.
I find it extremely interesting that some people with no documented experience with this drive train or the platter with magnets on it are telling us how it is expected to behave.
Do I have to replicate the damn graph exactly with my rig in order for these people to believe that that graph _could be_ the signature of exactly the same kind of drive under the conditions shown in the video?
I can. But please, I really don't want to.
If the suppression conspirators are as good and as pervasive as you seem to think, there, Aqua-man, I think they would be talking just like you are, in order to keep intelligent and thinking researchers focused on the bogus, and to prevent them from working on something that had some actual possibilities for success.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
OMG am I the only one with a decent monitor around here???
:o
May be the only one with decent eyesight left...
:o
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
May be the only one with decent eyesight left...
:o
I second that 8)
Someone said:
"I am sorry, nothing will stop me once I have made up my mind."
Not even the truth or the evidence of your own eyes, apparently.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
I find it extremely interesting that some people with no documented experience with this drive train or the platter with magnets on it are telling us how it is expected to behave.
Do I have to replicate the damn graph exactly with my rig in order for these people to believe that that graph _could be_ the signature of exactly the same kind of drive under the conditions shown in the video?
I can. But please, I really don't want to.
If the suppression conspirators are as good and as pervasive as you seem to think, there, Aqua-man, I think they would be talking just like you are, in order to keep intelligent and thinking researchers focused on the bogus, and to prevent them from working on something that had some actual possibilities for success.
Ehh. Do I need to spell out the posts to show you exactly what they are doing?
Enough. I have given enough pointers for one session. Anyone with a browser can enter the rabbit hole. Time will tell whats what.
Wattsup rules.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:31:02 PM
(snip)
For those on the level: Bearden, Greer & and a host of other individuals involved with alternative energy research are not to be trusted.
Unbelievable. You actually said something I agree with. You must be losing your touch.
::)
TK the problem with all of this is; not that such videos can be faked, Hell every one should know they can be.
The problem with all of this is: the claims made, and no proof. Folks believe, they try and replicate with ends in a futile event. Yet it is always some one else fault of the failed attempt, or just not enough info and so on.
No mater what you say or do: nothing would not convince these folks this is not real. If they want to believe they will.
I do not see much wrong with such, yet the disappointment when they try, and the taste of failing is the problem.
Such is not the job of anyone to show it is a fake. It is the claimant to show it is real. This was avoided in this case, and most others that are shown.
Strange how in this field this is just ignored, for the hopes it is real.
Most of these folks would never fall for a Nigerian scam, yet they would instantly believe a group of videos on the internet.
Most interesting situation is it not?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:49:12 PM
Someone said:
"I am sorry, nothing will stop me once I have made up my mind."
Not even the truth or the evidence of your own eyes, apparently.
Someone also said:
Truth & Evidence mean nothing on the internet. Just about everything can be faked.
You have shown us that TinselKoala, well done and congratulations again. Sincerely.
What you cannot fake is your own replication, unless you lie to yourself.
Next up: Mylow´s emotional apology video
Stay tuned
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:52:05 PM
Unbelievable. You actually said something I agree with. You must be losing your touch.
::)
Hmm, well nyc asked for it trying to bring Bearden into the discussion as he did.
cheniere.org
HAH!
Sheesh, you said something I agree with also.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
Someone also said:
Truth & Evidence mean nothing on the internet. Just about everything can be faked.
AquariuZ, good luck with your motor, I mean that.
Forget all the other nonsense. This is all a learning experience.
I think HJ knew something, and am pretty sure no one knows the full extent of what he did know. If you can make it work, I'll be glad.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 20, 2009, 06:53:25 PM
TK the problem with all of this is not that such vidios can be faked, Hell every one should know they can be.
The problem with all of this is the claims made, and no proof. Folks believe, they try and replicate with ends a a futile event. Yet it is always some one else fault of the failed attempt, or just not enough info and so on.
No mater what you say or do would not convince these folks this is not real. If they whant to belive they will.
I do not see much wrong with such, yet the disappointment when they try, and the taste of failing is the problem.
Such is not the job of anyone to show it is a fake. It is the claimant to show it is real. This was avoided in this case, and most others that are shown.
Strange how in this filed this is just ignored, for the hopes it is real.
Most of these folks would never fall for a Nigerian scam, yet they would instantly believe a group of videos on the internet.
Most interesting situation is it not?
It sure is. I'm not so concerned with the belief/disbelief question, it's more a question of how the issue is approached. Fuzzy thinking, illogic, saying "my mind's made up, don't distract me with facts", that kind of thing, especially when coupled with a strong case of paranoia, does not seem to me to be compatible with the objective attitude that progress in this field demands.
I mean there are at least 2 approaches being illustrated here.
First, the empirical scientific approach, which is constantly correcting and revising attitudes and knowledge based on experience and facts. If an idea or hypothesis can be shown to be incorrect, it's abandoned and the researcher is free to explore something else.
The second approach is epitomized by some recent posts, you know the ones I mean, and the general attitude of Sterling's flock. They know that they are right, and there is really nothing that will change that. After all, they are smart people, anyone can see that. So they almost deliberately construct "experiments" that have maximal chance of PROVING what they want to show, rather than disproving it, so when the experiment goes wrong (yet another Mylow config replicated and tested to no avail) they decide that there was something wrong with the experiment, rather than the theory, so they start scraping and gluing all over again. Instead of rejecting the theory which does nothing but generate failed experiments and going ON to something different, or even a new extension of the same old same old.
AquariuZ,
You falsify what I write, please don't do that anymore.
the falsified version of my post:
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 05:52:52 PM
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (April 06, 2009, 03:00:51 PM)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
not much data for analysis, but we clearly see an acceleration rather random ...
monofilament line (+motor) => should give a constant curve of acceleration.
hands push => should give an acceleration curve rather than random.
LightRider
the original version of my post:
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Analysis of Mylow video #6 (April 06, 2009, 03:00:51 PM)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168839#msg168839
not much data for analysis, but we clearly see an acceleration rather random ...
monofilament line (+motor) => should give a constant curve of acceleration.
hands push => should give an acceleration curve rather random.
LightRider
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
Looks like a noisy signal but with several episodes of motor driven runup. The acceleration periods don't look random to me at all. I mean the timing is random, but the slope of the acceleration, accounting for noise in the signal, is remarkably constant, decreasing as the speed increases, topping out near the same value...I don't think Mr. Hand is that good...but I suppose also that the line clutch could be slipping--recall that this setup is not as stable as his later ones, maybe it has moved and the line tension is less than optimal. It can happen, I know.
And I think I saw the line in nyctuber's recent link to LR's archived copy of Mylow's highres original...but I couldn't swear to it, even though I think it must be there.
This assumption is possible.
LightRider
EDIT:
Quote
topping out near the same value...
All first graphical analysis have this "topping" point in common...
It is unlikely that this "constant topping" can be done manually...
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 07:20:39 PM
AquariuZ,
You falsify what I write, please don't do that anymore.
the falsified version of my post:
the original version of my post:
Are you saying that he inserted a word into your quote, that changed its meaning 180 degrees, without emphasizing that it was an edit?
I did not catch that. Good for you. Another Orwellian change for the better---his better.
Er, I hate to say this, but that's rather, er...not very kosher at all.
Or even halal.
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 07:20:39 PM
AquariuZ,
You falsify what I write, please don't do that anymore.
the falsified version of my post:
the original version of my post:
Dude, calme-toi
I though it was a syntax error. Bad habit trying to correct syntax I agree.
Sorry I entered the word "than" my bad.
You believe he used his hand, I don´t, no need to shout accusations, it is quite clear what you think and it should be clear what I think.
Just to make sure: I do not think he used his hand.
Back to dark mode.
"I though it was a syntax error. Bad habit trying to correct syntax I agree."
Don't worry, it's only bad if you get caught.
/sarcasm
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
>>And I think I saw the line in nyctuber's recent link to LR's archived copy of Mylow's >highres original...but I couldn't swear to it, even though I >>think it must be there. -TK
OMG am I the only one with a decent monitor around here???
:o
Nyctuber (or anyone that has it)
Can you please repost that link? My monitor is pretty good (Apple 23") and my eye's are still pretty good :)
Thanks,
Joe
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 20, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
Dude, calme-toi
I though it was a syntax error. Bad habit trying to correct syntax I agree.
Sorry I entered the word "than" my bad.
You believe he used his hand, I don´t, no need to shout accusations, it is quite clear what you think and it should be clear what I think.
Just to make sure: I do not think he used his hand.
Back to dark mode.
"You believe he used his hand"
"it is quite clear what you think"
You're wrong about me.
I never validated or invalidated this theory...
...you may be right or not in your theory
I make assumptions based on observation of graphical analysis, this is it.
LightRider
Back on the other thread-hijacking topic... :P
I found that I was unable to perform the experiment that Magluvin suggested, which was to suspend a long magnet horizontally near the surface of the disk to see if motion of the disk would make one pole rise in preference to the other.
I forgot that I have a tiny NdB magnet embedded in the edge of the disk to trigger the rotation counter sensors. I can't seem to get the silly thing out. I used a little hot glue to put it in, a tiny amount, and I tried heating it up but the disk is so conductive that the heat just dissipates in the disk. Anyway, the perturbing influence of this magnet is great enough to make the suspended horizontal magnet go crazy.
And I didn't have time today to make a suitable stator mount so that I can test the eddy effect of the single poles. But I did snag some bits of Copper, Aluminum and Brass to play with tonight.
I showed the weird eddy effect to colleagues today, they were amazed and intrigued. Even JK, who of course immediately saw in it Yet Another proof of his pet theory; he got quite excited to see something new about magnets that he hadn't seen or noticed before. Even the big boss was stumped for a reason, and he actually does know his stuff.
Hi ,
I just listened to a sound clip where Mylow explained why he faked the video's. I am not sure how to put it up here yet. I know Stephan has a copy and might know how to post it here...however if he doesnt that is ok as we were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
Not putting up the sound clip is fair enough, but you gave no conclusions or your thoughts on it?
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
Hi ,
I just listened to a sound clip where Mylow explained why he faked the video's. I am not sure how to put it up here yet. I know Stephan has a copy and might know how to post it here...however if he doesnt that is ok as we were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
Mark:
Let me guess: Mylow is afraid of the MIB's that he bravely defied by posting all of the videos that came after. Even Joe Biden, who also warned him to give this up is pissed at him. Tony, who got sucked into the whole mess is pissed at him. Sterling, who is still losing credibilty by the minute is pissed at him. His wife, who now has a new broom, is pissed at him. It would not surprise me if the bird and cat were a little peeved as well.
As much as I would love to hear what he might have to say, I would not believe one single word of it and, if you got it in confidence, it would be good to honor that.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
Mark:
Let me guess: Mylow is afraid of the MIB's that he bravely defied by posting all of the videos that came after... snip...
Bill
(edit) I agree (the audio must be about the MIB)
"Everything he's shown us most likely really works, but he put the fakery on to satisfy the MIB breathing down his neck with ominous threats." Latest from Sterling
LOL
I started a new thread on this subject titled "Magnetic braking of magnets sliding along a sloped aluminum surface". I'm trying to give this subject its own home.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 08:15:31 PM
Back on the other thread-hijacking topic... :P
I found that I was unable to perform the experiment that Magluvin suggested, which was to suspend a long magnet horizontally near the surface of the disk to see if motion of the disk would make one pole rise in preference to the other.
I forgot that I have a tiny NdB magnet embedded in the edge of the disk to trigger the rotation counter sensors. I can't seem to get the silly thing out. I used a little hot glue to put it in, a tiny amount, and I tried heating it up but the disk is so conductive that the heat just dissipates in the disk. Anyway, the perturbing influence of this magnet is great enough to make the suspended horizontal magnet go crazy.
And I didn't have time today to make a suitable stator mount so that I can test the eddy effect of the single poles. But I did snag some bits of Copper, Aluminum and Brass to play with tonight.
I showed the weird eddy effect to colleagues today, they were amazed and intrigued. Even JK, who of course immediately saw in it Yet Another proof of his pet theory; he got quite excited to see something new about magnets that he hadn't seen or noticed before. Even the big boss was stumped for a reason, and he actually does know his stuff.
Very cool. *Waits for update*
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 08:02:32 PM
Nyctuber (or anyone that has it)
Can you please repost that link? My monitor is pretty good (Apple 23") and my eye's are still pretty good :)
Thanks,
Joe
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
latest quote from Sterling
"Everything he's shown us most likely really works, but he put the fakery on to satisfy the MIB breathing down his neck with ominous threats."
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
Thanks!
Joe
I have lost all respect for Sterling. This from his latest.
"Everything he's shown us most likely really works, but he put the fakery on to satisfy the MIB breathing down his neck with ominous threats."
Ster;ing has no credibility.
"hand up", I think some of us have got our wires(or cat gut) crossed here, I thought you were referring to another video.
I've had the high resolution version of this video since yesterday and I certainly see the mono filament line.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
Mark:
Let me guess: Mylow is afraid of the MIB's that he bravely defied by posting all of the videos that came after. Even Joe Biden, who also warned him to give this up is pissed at him. Tony, who got sucked into the whole mess is pissed at him. Sterling, who is still losing credibilty by the minute is pissed at him. His wife, who now has a new broom, is pissed at him. It would not surprise me if the bird and cat were a little peeved as well.
As much as I would love to hear what he might have to say, I would not believe one single word of it and, if you got it in confidence, it would be good to honor that.
Bill
Haha! Yes I agree. The stories about MIB forcing him not to carry on with his magnetic motor experiments may even be believable if he had just stopped posting more 'protest' videos. Now, we have fishing strings attached to these protest videos just proved that the guy is either mentally retard or can't stand not being in the limelight or very simply just a crook who can't quit!
No MIB, no NSA, no FBI , no CIA just a stupid crooked prankster who finally gets caught. Now with his face on video in the public domain, I wonder what damage he's done to his twin, assuming he was totally innocent. Perhaps only lucky and kitty were totally innocent? I think we should just close this thread.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
latest quote from Sterling
"Everything he's shown us most likely really works, but he put the fakery on to satisfy the MIB breathing down his neck with ominous threats."
Fortunately there's a way to prove/disprove it, by trying to replicate. To date, no one has been successful, so that's all we can go by. Still possible? Maybe. Whether or not Mylow used the wires to play along with MIB's doesn't matter, it's like a riddle without an answer.
There is no way to tell if the MiB theory is true or not, because nobody was there to capture the data with a polygraph. So the MiB story is as likely as any other explanation.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 20, 2009, 08:42:34 PM
"hand up", I think some of us have got our wires(or cat gut) crossed here, I thought you were referring to another video.
I've had the high resolution version of this video since yesterday and I certainly see the mono filament line.
Just finished that one. Yes, I thought we were talking about the "single group of bar magnet" video? Or maybe it was another.
There was no audio on that hi-res video I just downloaded. Maybe it is just my player? Not that the audio matters...
Thanks!!
Joe
And the plans that are still being disseminated via peswiki?
Quote from: orbut 3000 on May 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
There is no way to tell if the MiB theory is true or not, because nobody was there to capture the data with a polygraph. So the MiB story is as likely as any other explanation.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on May 20, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
There is no way to tell if the MiB theory is true or not, because nobody was there to capture the data with a polygraph. So the MiB story is as likely as any other explanation.
As likely as being abducted by aliens. Yes I see your point.
Has anybody here ever had a teacher back in school that had an itch for swinging the paddle?
Well I would have to say that the MIB would compare to that paddle swinger, in a way that, if you were bad, CRACK CRACK. These guys aint gunna give Mylow a quick phone call and say, Mylow, wuzhu dooin, Zhu being da bahd baby ageeun. No no no, dont touch da magnets. Sit down. Sit....
Nah, you avert direct orders, and deez guys are crackin whips boys. Crack crack.
But these guys, supposedly pretty nice guys! They express their feelings about posting more videos, and they apologize and admit when they are wrong. They give a phone call now and then to keep in touch. Hey Mylow, can we play with your motor today? We will be right back with it. They bring it back the next day, and say, Heres your toy back. We think its broken, can you finger it out? Mylow says, No, I dont wanna play. Aww cmom myyloww fix iiiit, We seen you on youtube!!
Ok Mylow, we gotta go now, dont tell anyone we were here, if my mom finds out ill be grounded for a week.
Yep, them mib, they are just sweethearts and very polite, oh and such well tempered young men.
I wouldnt be surprised if they come to see him, just for implying that they are just wonderful human beings.
Gimme a break.
Just a way to look at it. ;)
Magluvin
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
Hi ,
I just listened to a sound clip where Mylow explained why he faked the video's. I am not sure how to put it up here yet. I know Stephan has a copy and might know how to post it here...however if he doesnt that is ok as we were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
You don't have to go public or post it. Just upload it to a filesharing site. If someone happens to find out the url and downloads it and listens to it privately, that is their business, I wouldn't condone it.
I generally use MediaFire for under 100 mb.
8)
For what it's worth:
I find that it is really really difficult to simulate a motor drive with Mr Hand. Or vicey-versey.
Here's a graph of me fooling around with the Mylow drive (black thread; the monofil may give different results). You can really tell the difference between the drive working well, the drive slipping, and the hand. I was trying my best at one point to keep the disk steady and Mr. Hand's touch light. You can see the result. I tried to imagine what it would be like if the drive slipped during a demo and the operator tried to keep things up by hand.
The small sinusoidal oscillations are most probably a result of slight layout errors in my tachometer target. That fancy tacho is very picky about what it looks at. Just like me.
The disk is balanced and level and no magnets. Just testing the mylow drive vs. mr.hand.
Add that clear graph to the visual evidence of a monofilament drive belt even on the earliest 'stonehenge' video, and what we have here is a home run of solid data that Mylow used a motor from day one.
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
Hi ,
I just listened to a sound clip where Mylow explained why he faked the video's. I am not sure how to put it up here yet. I know Stephan has a copy and might know how to post it here...however if he doesnt that is ok as we were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
sound clip (total 2:13 - 779,4 Ko)
quote from the sound clip: <<...but just to let you know that last video with me and my brother, that smart device thing, that was...>>
...I let you guess.
video he refers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwhZH8zGD0
Some analysis have been made on this video...
...which raise more questions than answers.
Were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
LightRider
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 20, 2009, 09:53:56 PM
For what it's worth:
I find that it is really really difficult to simulate a motor drive with Mr Hand. Or vicey-versey.
Here's a graph of me fooling around with the Mylow drive (black thread; the monofil may give different results). You can really tell the difference between the drive working well, the drive slipping, and the hand. I was trying my best at one point to keep the disk steady and Mr. Hand's touch light. You can see the result. I tried to imagine what it would be like if the drive slipped during a demo and the operator tried to keep things up by hand.
The small sinusoidal oscillations are most probably a result of slight layout errors in my tachometer target. That fancy tacho is very picky about what it looks at. Just like me.
The disk is balanced and level and no magnets. Just testing the mylow drive vs. mr.hand.
Thanks, this seems to disprove the theory of Mr. Hand's touch.
LR
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 09:59:20 PM
Add that clear graph to the visual evidence of a monofilament drive belt even on the earliest 'stonehenge' video, and what we have here is a home run of solid data that Mylow used a motor from day one.
Or maybe he practiced a lot, maybe is very athletic in his motor turning hand? Just a possibility. I'll never forget that 1 second shot of it looking clear to me, as if he was using his hand.
And the way the video's were shot: Never going to where his hand would be if it was in action.
Just a thought.
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 20, 2009, 10:13:58 PM
Or maybe he practiced a lot, maybe is very athletic in his motor turning hand? Just a possibility. I'll never forget that 1 second shot of it looking clear to me, as if he was using his hand.
And the way the video's were shot: Never going to where his hand would be if it was in action.
Just a thought.
Joe
Also, maybe it was right around that time that he transitioned from hand to fishline :)
Quote from: LightRider on May 20, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
sound clip (total 2:13 - 779,4 Ko)
quote from the sound clip: <<...but just to let you know that last video with me and my brother, that smart device thing, that was...>>
...I let you guess.
video he refers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwhZH8zGD0
Some analysis have been made on this video...
...which raise more questions than answers.
Were asked not to go public with it.
We were asked not to post it to protect Mylow from the bad guys.
LightRider
Yeah and meanwhile, no one can reproduce it. Give me a break with the micro adjustment between magnets BS. Mylow is a con man till the bitter end and sterling's lip is still attached to the hook.
Fellow comrades,
I didnt post the sound Byte of Mylow's phone call because I accidently deleted it. howver it has been widely circulated and I am sure it will be posted somewhere soon
In the mean time I recieved this from Sterling. It explains everything.
Have to rush...i have to report back to Moscow.
PS TK, Hans etc...our cover is blown.
Mark,
Email form Sterling:
One of the reasons you have such a hard time believing this whole thing is because you do not believe that there is a conspiracy to establish a world dictatorship ("New World Order), and that the oil interests are a significant part of that machine. You only look in terms of capitalist vested interest, not in terms of master sinister plots.
Well, for more years than I was involved in the Free Energy quest, I was involved in studying and exposing and opposing that conspiracy, and I am more confident of its existence than I am hopeful for some of these exotic technologies that we look into.
So it is not at all hard for me to believe that some of these NWO gangsters paid Mylow a visit and made very ominous threats to him, telling him in no uncertain terms, while grabbing his wife firmly by the shoulder and shoving her, that if he posted any more videos of working devices, there would be some very serious consequences to him and her.
So he is torn. He is hardwired to share this stuff with the planet, but he doesn't want to jeopardize his or his wife's life. How can he keep them at bay while still sharing his passion?
The fakery, superimposed on actual working devices, is a good way, if you ask me.
So when you come along in this process and act as ominous to its progress as the MIB who are threatening Mylow, guess where I'm going to place my bet?
Not on you, who in personal conversation with me have shown yourself to be strongly Socialist in your political leanings -- the very mindset the conspiracy has been brainwashing the world to accept. You're a NWO convert. What does that tell me about your discernment when it comes to this revolution were in? You're in the wrong camp.
You have some great insight and good motivation when it comes to free energy technology, but on this one, we've been at loggerheads for the above reason.
Sterling
Awww shucks, that puts mine to shame.
I would say I despair, but it has become apparent that Sterling is not a man...
QuoteThat is the beauty of open sourcing. The hydra effect in action. The more people are successful, the more futile it becomes for the NWO bullies to try and stop it.
Yes, it is possible that the first one or two replicators could receive visits similar to Mylow's. So they will have to be brave souls indeed to proceed notwithstanding. You can see why the person who visited AllMagnetics today and said their associate got it going, wouldn't give any more information.
Calling for the brave.
Sterling
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 10:28:27 PM
Fellow comrades,
Sterling
That pretty much says it. It is so sad.
Bill
Hello all,
There has been the occasional discussion magnets sliding on aluminum surfaces in this thread. I felt it needed its own thread so I created one titled.
"Magnetic braking of magnets sliding along a sloped aluminum surface"
If you have anything to say on this subject please make postings there.
Some of you I invited personally but, being new here, I'm still struggling with the personal messaging. I especially extend the welcome to lumen and X13. :-)
Thanx
Quote from: markdansie on May 20, 2009, 10:28:27 PM
Fellow comrades,
I didnt post the sound Byte of Mylow's phone call because I accidently deleted it. howver it has been widely circulated and I am sure it will be posted somewhere soon
In the mean time I recieved this from Sterling. It explains everything.
Have to rush...i have to report back to Moscow.
PS TK, Hans etc...our cover is blown.
Mark,
Email form Sterling:
One of the reasons you have such a hard time believing this whole thing is because you do not believe that there is a conspiracy to establish a world dictatorship ("New World Order), and that the oil interests are a significant part of that machine. You only look in terms of capitalist vested interest, not in terms of master sinister plots.
Well, for more years than I was involved in the Free Energy quest, I was involved in studying and exposing and opposing that conspiracy, and I am more confident of its existence than I am hopeful for some of these exotic technologies that we look into.
So it is not at all hard for me to believe that some of these NWO gangsters paid Mylow a visit and made very ominous threats to him, telling him in no uncertain terms, while grabbing his wife firmly by the shoulder and shoving her, that if he posted any more videos of working devices, there would be some very serious consequences to him and her.
So he is torn. He is hardwired to share this stuff with the planet, but he doesn't want to jeopardize his or his wife's life. How can he keep them at bay while still sharing his passion?
The fakery, superimposed on actual working devices, is a good way, if you ask me.
So when you come along in this process and act as ominous to its progress as the MIB who are threatening Mylow, guess where I'm going to place my bet?
Not on you, who in personal conversation with me have shown yourself to be strongly Socialist in your political leanings -- the very mindset the conspiracy has been brainwashing the world to accept. You're a NWO convert. What does that tell me about your discernment when it comes to this revolution were in? You're in the wrong camp.
You have some great insight and good motivation when it comes to free energy technology, but on this one, we've been at loggerheads for the above reason.
Sterling
Why does Sterling leave no room in his thinking for the idea that working class con men roam the Earth?
'Mylow' measured all the magnets and showed the device, everyone bought them, and no one can make it work. The videos show fishing line powering the stupid thing.
Because he is trying desperately to cover his butt legally and continue selling the plans which the MiB obviously did a piss poor job of suppressing.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 20, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
Why does Sterling leave no room in his thinking for the idea that working class con men roam the Earth?
I was "thinking" of buying the plans and now there is a strange truck parked across the street. Should I be afraid?
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 20, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
I was "thinking" of buying the plans and now there is a strange truck parked across the street. Should I be afraid?
Hey, maybe you should outwit them. Maybe you should be thinking about selling the plans instead, and then Sterling and Mylow will show up.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 20, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
Hey, maybe you should outwit them. Maybe you should be thinking about selling the plans instead, and then Sterling and Mylow will show up.
Bill
LOL!
NO MAJOR NEWS FLASH!!
from the other group... Thought it may be interesting, since it is true.
> What exactly is the difference between the Window Motor and the Mylow
> Motor? -joe
To clarify, what is the difference as far as the claim of a self-runner,
and proof. Or replications.
Answer: No difference. No proof. No self running replications.
Joe
It's over, drum solo out? ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPbbA2zHSGE&feature=channel_page
OT:
@nyctuber - thanks for the Lenz's Law link... for some reason, I can't "reply" to or "send" any PMs (? dunno what's up. maybe an IE 7 issue? I just get an error message or blank page).
and by from solo, i mean all the f'n trouble mylow created with fake vids, what a FUCKN ASSHOLE
Any Takers?
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: Psyclone on May 21, 2009, 02:02:16 AM
OT:
@nyctuber - thanks for the Lenz's Law link... for some reason, I can't "reply" to or "send" any PMs (? dunno what's up. maybe an IE 7 issue? I just get an error message or blank page).
Good God man, (Bones imitation) switch to Firefox right away! Someone here clued me into that over a year ago and I never looked back. Plus, Stefan said this site's software is optimized for Firefox. Trust me, it is like 10 times faster than IE.
Bill
Quote from: X00013 on May 21, 2009, 02:00:23 AM
It's over, drum solo out? ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPbbA2zHSGE&feature=channel_page
Here is a good one. I'm sure TK will like it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47yxLg2RyXM
Joe
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 21, 2009, 02:10:36 AM
Any Takers?
Hans von Lieven
Hans:
If I am in England, can I pay 75 pounds STERLING?
(sorry)
Bill
Sorry I didn't think of this, would have been much better on the ad.
Good on you Bill ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hans
And with that said, I cannot hold Sterlinga for mylows actions, as far as I am concerned, Sterlinga is a foot soilder, if you paid for mylows shit, that was ur choice, period. And yes i speak for myself, Sterlinga has a great webpage, and i for one would not buy a single fuckn thing off it, but i enjoy reading it. I am my own person and make my own choices, no one will ever make them for me, Sterlinga has gone out on a limb not only for this subject but for many others as well, and yes, to get paid. Without Sterlinga and Stefans efforts we all might not be here on this forum.
Morning people,
Joe, try this one on your Apple monitor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Video #6:
It LOOKS like the acceleration cannot have been by hand from LR graph and TK experience with his disc. Correct me (again) if I misinterpreted your last posts on this.
It LOOKS to me that there is no fishing line either. In THIS specific video.
Maybe you can take a look because confusion is taking over.
Again: two setups
1) Original with channel magnets and black stator with the stator close to the disc (key)
NOT the 41a/b setup with the red stator (not near the disc)
2) Later type with bar magnets and two red stators (fakes)
I believe everything after 41a was faked, not only because of the footage of the devices and the later clear fake setups, but ALSO Mylows behaviour changed very notably beginning with 41b.
For those who wish to verify this for themselves, LISTEN carefully too.
I am extremely grateful for LightRider having made a backup of all the videos on his channel.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos&start=80
Any video you wish to see in HD please add &fmt=18 to the end of each individual video.
AZ
@Hans , the only only thing I can come up with in bebuttal humur is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArF1gORYcQ
X, I think I leave this one to "Professor" Evert. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hans
Hi Hans and everyone else.
How can you argue with this logic?
http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/
Quote from: markdansie on May 21, 2009, 04:17:28 AM
Hi Hans and everyone else.
How can you argue with this logic?
http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/ (http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/)
Fallback situation. Plan B!
Sterling's Parachute.Hans von Lieven
And just how many more excuses are going to be fed to the FE community? and I mean
all the FE community!
QuoteRegarding the second video on March 17, when the motor increased in speed while the camera was turned away, showing the bed, Mylow said he was very tired, and he may have accidentally bumped it with his hip.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 21, 2009, 02:32:15 AM
Morning people,
Joe, try this one on your Apple monitor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Video #6:
It LOOKS like the acceleration cannot have been by hand from LR graph and TK experience with his disc. Correct me (again) if I misinterpreted your last posts on this.
It LOOKS to me that there is no fishing line either. In THIS specific video.
Maybe you can take a look because confusion is taking over.
Again: two setups
1) Original with channel magnets and black stator with the stator close to the disc (key)
NOT the 41a/b setup with the red stator (not near the disc)
2) Later type with bar magnets and two red stators (fakes)
I believe everything after 41a was faked, not only because of the footage of the devices and the later clear fake setups, but ALSO Mylows behaviour changed very notably beginning with 41b.
For those who wish to verify this for themselves, LISTEN carefully too.
I am extremely grateful for LightRider having made a backup of all the videos on his channel.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos&start=80
Any video you wish to see in HD please add &fmt=18 to the end of each individual video.
AZ
Go to frame 5:49 and look at the back of the Stator magnet.
You can clearly see the access cover to the stator magnet where a coil and small battery could be placed. I pointed this out very early on. The next day.. MIB.
He said he had the Stator was specially prepaired to give a desirable affect.
In later videos his Stators do not have this access cover.
I bet someone could prove this could be done.
Bill
Good eyes!, I just happen to be looking at that video on my 22 inch lcd, I was looking for the cat gut that appears in the others, never thought for a moment to look at the stator, but you are correct, unless someone can show otherwise that stud does not belong there, the other thing is the indentation where the stud is, I think people should also note the chipping on that magnet.
Quote from: maw2432 on May 21, 2009, 05:52:30 AM
Go to frame 5:49 and look at the back of the Stator magnet.
You can clearly see the access cover to the stator magnet where a coil and small battery could be placed. I pointed this out very early on. The next day.. MIB.
He said he had the Stator was specially prepaired to give a desirable affect.
In later videos his Stators do not have this access cover.
I bet someone could prove this could be done.
Bill
What the hell is going on ?
This whole MiB thing is completely idiotic and nonsensical but now it seems to be doing the rounds as if it's something to believe ?
Mylow cannot be in fear for his life, the logic used to suggest he has been threatened is truly pathetic and it is, yet again, nothing more than playing on those who have blind faith.
I live in the UK and I would gladly go over to his place, gather up all the information I need to pass on so people can replicate the device accurately, witness the device running and the "MiB" can suck my balls to cut a long story short.
Everyone will know who I am just like everyone knows who Mylow is and if either of us vanish or die at any point during this process there's the answer... The MiB are real, the device is real, they are deliberately keeping us in the dark and it's time to take the world back.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way as I do but they'll never get the opportunity to visit and witness this device.
Think about it... Everyone on this forum shares their personal details, arranges to all visit Mylow via different methods of transport on maybe two separate days and we inform the media that it's happening. Then all of us die and it's a co-incidence?
Seriously... Come on... I'm open minded but he can't hide behind a non-existent shield and that's exactly what this MiB story is.
I would value a discovery like that more than my life and wouldn't let anyone stop me from sharing it no matter how much they threatened me so either Mylow is a coward or he's a liar.
I don't even need to talk about the fact no-one can replicate his device... He has the opportunity to share it and if the "MiB" were real that would not be the case, simple fact.
I would be quite content to witness true perpetuum mobile, and then be shot in the head by MIB. Bring it on.
Mylow gets to meet them, show the wold endangering technology, and live? Lucky, or lying.
Send the replicator his disc back and don't bother to take the magnets off first. A stator position seems easier to replicate, especially when the sator assembly comes with the disc.
he he let's see what at the rdelos1disequade is going to do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ApWmOgzTw&feature=channel_page
Quote from: Mr. M on May 21, 2009, 06:40:35 AM
I would value a discovery like that more than my life and wouldn't let anyone stop me from sharing it no matter how much they threatened me so either Mylow is a coward or he's a liar.
He is not a coward. He bravely tore up the evidence document that proves they visited him. That showed his contempt for the MiB ;)
Quote from: Mr. M on May 21, 2009, 06:40:35 AM
What the hell is going on ?
This whole MiB thing is completely idiotic and nonsensical but now it seems to be doing the rounds as if it's something to believe ?
Mylow cannot be in fear for his life, the logic used to suggest he has been threatened is truly pathetic and it is, yet again, nothing more than playing on those who have blind faith.
So the congressman's secretary confirming the NSA visit is also a mirage I assume?
Quote from: broli on May 21, 2009, 09:32:02 AM
So the congressman's secretary confirming the NSA visit is also a mirage I assume?
so where is the evidence for that...or was that another Mylow truism????
Quote from: broli on May 21, 2009, 09:32:02 AM
So the congressman's secretary confirming the NSA visit is also a mirage I assume?
Sterling already said that that confirmation would not be corroborated if you tried to call them. Uncorroborated confirmation? The mind boggles.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 21, 2009, 09:27:03 AM
He is not a coward. He bravely tore up the evidence document that proves they visited him. That showed his contempt for the MiB ;)
Bob, your bravery is admirable! Btw, do you have a wife, chidren or a family of any kind? If not, I have an assignment for you.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
Bob, your bravery is admirable! Btw, do you have a wife, chidren or a family of any kind? If not, I have an assignment for you.
Please no wet work. I gave that up years ago when I retired from the Illuminati.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 21, 2009, 10:09:06 AM
Please no wet work. I gave that up years ago when I retired from the Illuminati.
Retired? Bob, what makes you think that you can retire. You will do what you are told.
I first called that Coble Congressional Office (the male Aid i spoke with said they had no idea what i was talking about), then followed-up with a detailed email to him with a lengthy explanation with all the pertinent quotes and numerous links, and a request for "Confirmation or Denial": And have yet received no reply (like over 2 weeks now).
Lol but it may be taking them this long just to read the thread ;)
So that was inconclusive so far.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 10:29:09 AM
Retired? Bob, what makes you think that you can retire. You will do what you are told.
Well, I was told.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 21, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
I first called that Coble Congressional Office (the male Aid i spoke with said they had no idea what i was talking about)...
So obviously a cover-up conspiracy. I am reminded of Lenny Bruce who said if your wife presents you with 8x10 glossies of you in bed with another woman, "deny, deny, deny!"
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 21, 2009, 10:48:44 AM
Well, I was told.
Well. just keep in mind that you are bound by duty. Your check is in the mail.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 10:56:27 AM
Your check is in the mail.
Well, that is what they keep telling me but I haven't seen it yet. Do you think they were just using me like a pawn? Bast*rds!
Quote from: broli on May 21, 2009, 09:32:02 AM
So the congressman's secretary confirming the NSA visit is also a mirage I assume?
Mhm...
Unless you or anyone else can
prove otherwise ? :-\
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 21, 2009, 09:47:10 AM
Sterling already said that that confirmation would not be corroborated if you tried to call them. Uncorroborated confirmation? The mind boggles.
I have come to the conclusion that common sense cannot be learned.
When faced or even barraged with illogical nonsense, there are some who refuse to accept a truth they do not want to believe is really true.
This is an amazing phenomenon and I must find way to make use this knowledge. I have seen much evidence that others already have.
I don't respect the morality of it.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 21, 2009, 11:24:11 AM
I have come to the conclusion that common sense cannot be learned.
When faced or even barraged with illogical nonsense, there are some who refuse to accept a truth they do not want to believe is really true.
This is an amazing phenomenon and I must find way to make use this knowledge. I have seen much evidence that others already have.
I don't respect the morality of it.
This is an interesting comment. Keep in mind that this illogical nonsense manifests on both sides of the fence
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 20, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
I was "thinking" of buying the plans and now there is a strange truck parked across the street. Should I be afraid?
Were you wearing your tinfoil hat while doing this thinking? Cause if not, then you are in for a world of hurt.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 21, 2009, 02:10:36 AM
Any Takers?
Hans von Lieven
Gee, come on Hans, $75 ?!!!! Can you not make it a little less expensive please?
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 20, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
I was "thinking" of buying the plans and now there is a strange truck parked across the street. Should I be afraid?
Oh, not to worry..... that's the All Magnetics.com delivery truck. They can tell when you need Magnets even before you order them.
Wow, Sterling is showing signs of hope here.
"Mylow,
As I've gone through my email from the last 24 hours, here is what I am sensing.
Though there may be yet a small trickle of replicators still working on this, for the vast majority, this story is just too much.
1) No confirmed replications of HJ's design based on your input in two months, despite thousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars spend by a lot of replicators giving it a good try.
2) No independent witnesses of your replication.
3) Your exposed trickery, which puts everything in question. If you're going to lie, then when did it really start, and did you ever tell the truth?
I stood at your defense in my story published last night:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/
What have I gotten for it?
A lot of people saying they've lost respect for my judgment.
I hear I'm getting a good hammering over at OverUnity.com
My read on this is that at this point the entire thing has fizzled out to a few smoking embers that are likely to smolder out within a few days.
The story of the hidden fish line doused the fire of hope that stirred so many people up to give this a try.
As far as I can see, it's over. Everything you worked for has been discredited by your fakery. The MIB win again. The bullies stay in power.
The only way to salvage this is to either have someone (e.g. me or [PMMTester]) come and see one of your working devices, or to send one of us one of your working devices.
Otherwise, your legacy in history goes down as a psychotic liar, and mental illnesses will be named after you.
Meanwhile, my credibility has likewise taken a major hit. [...] The reputation has become: "believes in wild stories with no solid evidence." [...] Several people are calling for my resignation.
The name "Howard Johnson" will be associated with "Mylow", and no one will dare mention it.
Is that what you want?
I've stood by you, now how about standing by me and all the other replicators who have believed in what you have presented.
Don't let us all down, just because the MIB have you scared. Grow some balls.
[...]
Do the right thing. Let me and/or John come see your stuff, or send me/him a working device. Or it could be all over.
Sterling"
I guess he figures it's not worth risking his whole reputation being known as the "Mylow guy".
"Hey did you hear about this energy generator?"
Nah, where'd you hear about it?
"On Pesnews"
Oh, the "Mylow Guy".... Nevermind.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 21, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Wow, Sterling is showing signs of hope here.
"Mylow,
As I've gone through my email from the last 24 hours, here is what I am sensing.
Though there may be yet a small trickle of replicators still working on this, for the vast majority, this story is just too much.
1) No confirmed replications of HJ's design based on your input in two months, despite thousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars spend by a lot of replicators giving it a good try.
2) No independent witnesses of your replication.
3) Your exposed trickery, which puts everything in question. If you're going to lie, then when did it really start, and did you ever tell the truth?
I stood at your defense in my story published last night:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/
What have I gotten for it?
A lot of people saying they've lost respect for my judgment.
I hear I'm getting a good hammering over at OverUnity.com
My read on this is that at this point the entire thing has fizzled out to a few smoking embers that are likely to smolder out within a few days.
The story of the hidden fish line doused the fire of hope that stirred so many people up to give this a try.
As far as I can see, it's over. Everything you worked for has been discredited by your fakery. The MIB win again. The bullies stay in power.
The only way to salvage this is to either have someone (e.g. me or [PMMTester]) come and see one of your working devices, or to send one of us one of your working devices.
Otherwise, your legacy in history goes down as a psychotic liar, and mental illnesses will be named after you.
Meanwhile, my credibility has likewise taken a major hit. [...] The reputation has become: "believes in wild stories with no solid evidence." [...] Several people are calling for my resignation.
The name "Howard Johnson" will be associated with "Mylow", and no one will dare mention it.
Is that what you want?
I've stood by you, now how about standing by me and all the other replicators who have believed in what you have presented.
Don't let us all down, just because the MIB have you scared. Grow some balls.
[...]
Do the right thing. Let me and/or John come see your stuff, or send me/him a working device. Or it could be all over.
Sterling"
I guess he figures it's not worth risking his whole reputation being known as the "Mylow guy".
"Hey did you hear about this energy generator?"
Nah, where'd you hear about it?
"On Pesnews"
Oh, the "Mylow Guy".... Nevermind.
Hey, isn't that considered an abuse of Mylow?
I said some of the same stuff.
But, I never used the term "psychotic liar", that would be personal. Wouldn't it?
Quote from: ellubpt on May 21, 2009, 12:51:47 PM
Hey, isn't that considered an abuse of Mylow?
I said some of the same stuff.
But, I never used the term "psychotic liar", that would be personal. Wouldn't it?
Well, at some point, if Sterling has any common sense and dignity left, he'll know what must do. "Grow some balls" would work for both gentlemen. Continue to dig a deeper hole will not solve the stigma.
MyLow has no balls and is a perpetual liar and that is the truth. Sorry to be blunt but how much time, effort and money did all these people lose?
cheers
chrisC
@ ellubpt:
Wow, it sounds like Sterling is finally admitting that he too had been "Mylowed" like most of us. I can't decide if this is sincere or if it is his plan B as Hans has pointed out.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
@ ellubpt:
Wow, it sounds like Sterling is finally admitting that he too had been "Mylowed" like most of us. I can't decide if this is sincere or if it is his plan B as Hans has pointed out.
Bill
Bill,
I believe he has held out as long as he thinks he can without totally damaging his reputation and the groups he speaks to and the circles he travels in.
Nice work on the JT's , by the way.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
@ ellubpt:
Wow, it sounds like Sterling is finally admitting that he too had been "Mylowed" like most of us. I can't decide if this is sincere or if it is his plan B as Hans has pointed out.
Bill
It's Plan C. Plan B is already shot to hell.
Oh geeze, lets not make Mylow anymore famous by using his name as a term.
btw, I almost got "Mylowed", well, for the first couple of seconds at least, that's a long time ya know!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
@ ellubpt:
Wow, it sounds like Sterling is finally admitting that he too had been "Mylowed" like most of us. I can't decide if this is sincere or if it is his plan B as Hans has pointed out.
Bill
Quote from: ellubpt on May 21, 2009, 01:16:11 PM
Nice work on the JT's , by the way.
Thank you.
Bill
Can we please refer to him as Laylow from now on?
Sterling needs to step down. He has no respect or credibility and when he mentions nwo it shows he is on the brink of nutville.
Let's give credit where credit is due. Sterling is a good guy and a real friend and advocate of the entire FE community. Did he believe Mylow? Ok he did but so did a lot of other people. The whole thing has come apart in just the past few days and Sterling is questioning Mylow's intentions on a pretty blunt level. Good for him. Let's remember the deceiver here is Mylow and not Sterling.
It is important that we all come together , a split between Overunity.com and Freeenergynews.com does not serve any purpose. It can only result in bad feelings and a possible halt of ideas and opinions.
It's really time for this thread to die. The culprit has been identified and the court of public opinion
will bring him to trial. This will all pass soon and Sterling and OU.com will continue with their good works.
Life goes on- so should we.
I would probably agree with your post, accept some people need closure, that means either Mylow comes forward with a provable working PMM or he comes forward with a full confession that it was all fake, including the MiB story.
Quote from: billmehess on May 21, 2009, 02:06:38 PM
Let's give credit where credit is due. Sterling is a good guy and a real friend and advocate of the entire FE community. Did he believe Mylow? Ok he did but so did a lot of other people. The whole thing has come apart in just the past few days and Sterling is questioning Mylow's intentions on a pretty blunt level. Good for him. Let's remember the deceiver here is Mylow and not Sterling.
It is important that we all come together , a split between Overunity.com and Freeenergynews.com does not serve any purpose. It can only result in bad feelings and a possible halt of ideas and opinions.
It's really time for this thread to die. The culprit has been identified and the court of public opinion
will bring him to trial. This will all pass soon and Sterling and OU.com will continue with their good works.
Life goes on- so should we.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 21, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
I would probably agree with your post, accept some people need closure, that means either Mylow comes forward with a provable working PMM or he comes forward with a full confession that it was all fake, including the MiB story.
I think we all know this is most likely not going to happen.
On a lighter note like a lot of other people I spent quite a bit of time working on a magnetic motor I had posted 5 videos under excel60 on youtube.
If anyone of us ever desides to write a book on building these things might I suggest a title.
"Waiting For The Glue To Dry" lol
Quote from: billmehess on May 21, 2009, 02:06:38 PM
Let's give credit where credit is due. Sterling is a good guy and a real friend and advocate of the entire FE community. Did he believe Mylow? Ok he did but so did a lot of other people. The whole thing has come apart in just the past few days and Sterling is questioning Mylow's intentions on a pretty blunt level. Good for him. Let's remember the deceiver here is Mylow and not Sterling.
It is important that we all come together , a split between Overunity.com and Freeenergynews.com does not serve any purpose. It can only result in bad feelings and a possible halt of ideas and opinions.
It's really time for this thread to die. The culprit has been identified and the court of public opinion
will bring him to trial. This will all pass soon and Sterling and OU.com will continue with their good works.
Life goes on- so should we.
At what point in this saga did Sterling have access to the original mpeg4 vids from Mylow? Because if he was getting them as they were made, he is guilty, at best, of being a poor observer, because the fishing line is unambiguously as clear as the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Easter Sunday, in several of the high-res vids.
The mere fact that Mylow let those vids out speaks of his utter contempt and disrespect for the entire community. He didn't think we'd see it or know what it was, even though it's right there in front of our noses.
Had Sterling watched those vids carefully and with a critical attitude, this whole thing might never have happened. He may not be guilty of some of the things he's accused of, but certainly he's a pretty darn poor observer, and that's not a good thing in a reporter or journalist.
Quote from: billmehess on May 21, 2009, 02:06:38 PM
Let's give credit where credit is due. Sterling is a good guy and a real friend and advocate of the entire FE community. Did he believe Mylow? Ok he did but so did a lot of other people. The whole thing has come apart in just the past few days and Sterling is questioning Mylow's intentions on a pretty blunt level. Good for him. Let's remember the deceiver here is Mylow and not Sterling.
It is important that we all come together , a split between Overunity.com and Freeenergynews.com does not serve any purpose. It can only result in bad feelings and a possible halt of ideas and opinions.
It's really time for this thread to die. The culprit has been identified and the court of public opinion
will bring him to trial. This will all pass soon and Sterling and OU.com will continue with their good works.
Life goes on- so should we.
Got to agree with Bill here.
I do not think starting a Witch Hunt on Sterlings back is right.
Sterling has been around in the FE/OU scene alot longer than most people on this thread. He has compiled a lot of information that is a incredible resource for people when replicating. You can look back on old designs and what has been tried before etc etc.
Sterling went with Mylow on faith and supported him, because he is hoping that the next one that comes along will be for real. Just like the rest of us, waiting to see if it can be done or not.
So please do not knock him too hard, it is not fair.
I agree with the plan selling thing, but come on it is not like he has sold millions of copies, probably a couple of hundred at the most and that would of no way of funded all the magnets and other stuff sent to Mylow, let alone the travel expenses that Sterling layed out for while visiting Mylow.
At the end of the day someone has got to investigate these claims, Sterling does that and he does do a good job. We all spend time looking into these claims, but no one here takes it as far as Sterling does. He reports daily on what is going on and tries his hardest to get in touch with the people who have claims and goes in full blast. Then he puts his findings out public.
Sterling puts himself in the limelight by doing this stuff, the same way as other people do, I had some weird emails this week, because of some of my posts and because I had actually tried to replicate this thing. Everything was fine before the Mylow Fake scandal was revealed and all of a sudden people think because we are trying to replicate it, that we must also be in on the scam. I have removed my YouTube videos of the Mylow replication for now until this thing calms down.
You guys do not realise that the outside world actually looks at all of you in here as a little bit weird to be chasing this FE/OU thing ;D .
Some people are a little bit too quick to point out the bad and not the good on people, past and present. Look at both and find a balance.
I love to take the piss out of some of the characters we have in the FE/OU comunity, but they know it is in jest. I actually respect them alot for actually being bothered to try and think outside the box.
Right time to get off Soap Box and await for the abuse to kick in ;D
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 21, 2009, 02:28:56 PM
Had Sterling watched those vids carefully and with a critical attitude, this whole thing might never have happened. He may not be guilty of some of the things he's accused of, but certainly he's a pretty darn poor observer, and that's not a good thing in a reporter or journalist.
Well he will learn for next time ;D
I am glad that the Hi Quality Vids where available or the fakery could of lasted a bit longer. So Thank You Sterling and PMtester.
Oh yes... and don't forget TK
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 21, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Well he will learn for next time ;D
Sterling seems like a good person, he was mislead like a lot of people on this one (like me). I wanted to believe LayLow too. Laylow should be delete from the records and only mention if another person like him comes along. We should press forward on design and development. btw Thanks you TK
This video really needs to be in the half baked ideas area but since it was an inspiration from the Mylow wheel or fishing reel or whatever it's called now. Also, I know a bunch of replicators have rotor and stator magnets now so why not try other ideas. If there was any good from the Mylow thing maybe it will be that other ideas came from his idea. That is what happened to me anyway.
In the first part of the video I'm showing an idea I presented on Youtube a while back. Okay, so it doesn't quite work and maybe someone else can try out the idea but towards the end of the video I show an accidental discovery which may work. I still need to build the mechanism, but I think it has possibilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNLvk4ONiY&feature=channel_page
Dusty
I do not believe the MiB story as I am not paranoid but supposing it were true then why would Laylow do all of those tutorial videos? Isn't that insult to injury?
Also, if the MiB are so clever as to know which inventions are real out of the myriad of inventors and crackpots out there doesn't that mean that unless you have the stigma of a MiB visit then does that mean automatically that your device is false? I mean it sounds like they are the litmus test since their sole purpose is to squelch bona fide inventions that threaten the NWO. Why would they let some see the light of day and others not? Seems a little incompetent for people who have such vast powers and omnipotent reach.
So from now on anyone who claims to have FE/OU they must also have a good MiB story to go with it as that will prove it is real.
Quote from: Dusty on May 21, 2009, 04:20:15 PM
This video really needs to be in the half baked ideas area but since it was an inspiration from the Mylow wheel or fishing reel or whatever it's called now. Also, I know a bunch of replicators have rotor and stator magnets now so why not try other ideas. If there was any good from the Mylow thing maybe it will be that other ideas came from his idea. That is what happened to me anyway.
In the first part of the video I'm showing an idea I presented on Youtube a while back. Okay, so it doesn't quite work and maybe someone else can try out the idea but towards the end of the video I show an accidental discovery which may work. I still need to build the mechanism, but I think it has possibilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNLvk4ONiY&feature=channel_page
Dusty
Interesting vid, Dusty. Sort of reminds me of how a diametrically magnetised cylinder magnet can be rocked back and forth as little as 5 degrees to get a rotor of the "OCMPMM" type spinning quite rapidly with very good efficiency. I'm not sure but I think AdminOnDuty may have illustrated this effect on his YT channel.
Keep up the good work.
Just sent this off to Sterling ( and some others ):
Sterling:
In a recent post on your site you say several things, but several of them are clearly wrong.
First, you say:
"He also told me that neither his wife nor his brother were in on the trickery. He said that the one time, on May 3, when his wife walked in while he was filming, and the cheater motor was on the couch running his magnet motor via the fish line, she did not notice that. "
Mylow may have said that, but he was lying to you (at least about Tony.)
Please watch the Tony video again. While it is difficult to find unambiguous evidence of the fishline drive in this video (although I can see it with image enhancement) there is absolutely damning evidence elsewhere.
Please watch for yourself, from the time near the end where the stopwatch is started. I encourage you to do your own timing of the motor at this point. Be sure to stop and start your stopwatch when the motor is stopped and started--because they do not.
Tony is clearly saying rehearsed phrases, and Mylow even has to cue him several times and feed him his "lines". Mylow tells Tony to stop the motor which he does--always keeping it under control with his fingers.
Then he positions it in the gate and releases it (the stopwatch has not been stopped, it's still clocking--what is it clocking?) And as you can see the motor comes up to speed very rapidly, in under a minute--not in the "four or five minutes" that they are talking about.
Then Mylow tells Tony once again to stop the motor (CLICK) and Tony does--once again keeping it under control with his hands. Then Mylow tells Tony, over and over, that it's now all right to let it go. So finally the reluctant Tony lets the rotor go--and it moves just a little as rotors do--but Tony jerks his hand out to grab the motor in a classic "balk"--he was afraid it was going to turn when it wasn't supposed to--even though Mylow has turned the motor off (CLICK).
There are two holes, one in each of the particle board stator support uprights. They are big holes, just below the level of the disk. You can see these holes in the underneath view that he shows of the rotor.
In my image enhancements, I _believe_ I can see the lines, coming in from the left and going into/through the hole in the left stator support upright.
But even without the evidence of the fishing line, it is very clear from Tony's behaviour that he is involved, up to the hilt.
Second, you ask,
"Why no replications yet?"
Clearly this is implying that there have been no replications of Mylow's motor.
Come on Sterling, do you want me to contact my lawyer so he can write a letter to your lawyer?
It is perfectly clear that, as of the time you offered the award for the first successful replication that was at least 50 percent accurate of Mylow's motor, that I did exactly that, much more than 50 percent.
I deserve that award and I will pursue all avenues available to me to obtain it, including instituting legal action against you personally and PESwiki and NEC and etcetera if necessary.
Sincerely,
The poster known as TinselKoala
My Vote is to close this thread.
Quote from: deseret on May 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
My Vote is to close this thread.
My vote is for Deseret to re-read George Orwell's "1984".
for what it is worth sterling has created a poll.
VOTE HERE: http://www.99polls.com/poll_66061
What's Your Take on Mylow and his Magnet Motor?
- Will soon be vindicated
- Sincere inventor scared by MIB
- Psychotic faker from the beginning
- Planted to discredit FE movement
- Don't know / none of the above
@TK
Thats it TK I will give you something to read.. I am sending you a Book of Mormon... Send me your address.
he's not listening,he's still selling
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
stop sterling stealing
Quote from: markdansie on May 21, 2009, 05:34:53 PM
for what it is worth sterling has created a poll.
VOTE HERE: http://www.99polls.com/poll_66061 (http://www.99polls.com/poll_66061)
What's Your Take on Mylow and his Magnet Motor?
- Will soon be vindicated
- Sincere inventor scared by MIB
- Psychotic faker from the beginning
- Planted to discredit FE movement
- Don't know / none of the above
Plan B is alive and well. This is a loaded poll If ever I saw one. Few people, including myself, would stoop to calling Mylow a psychotic faker.
As to "planted to discredit the FE movement" that is laughable. The FE movement has NEVER had any credibility outside the FE movement. Outside the FE movement we are all known as nuts, lunatics, dreamers and so forth.
The last question is totally meaningless.
The results of this poll will be slanted in favour of Mylow.
As I said Plan B.
This thing is far from over.
Hans von Lieven
Sterling quoted mylow as saying this:
QuoteI'm very sorry about this. I had to do what I did. My life and the life of my wife are in jeopardy. Not everything was fake.
Surely if his and his wifes life were in jeapordy, then he would say:
"they were all fake, I´m outta here"
or
"they are trying to threaten me, that´s why I faked, I am sick of it, come and see a worker sterling so you can document it"
but no, he continues to provoke the MIBs that supposedly jeopordise his life. Get your story straight Mylow, are you intimidated by the MIB or not? Because in a life threatening situation that is recognised as such, then it´s either fight or flight, there´s no middle ground. It just makes no sense!
Quote from: Dusty on May 21, 2009, 04:20:15 PM
This video really needs to be in the half baked ideas area but since it was an inspiration from the Mylow wheel or fishing reel or whatever it's called now. Also, I know a bunch of replicators have rotor and stator magnets now so why not try other ideas. If there was any good from the Mylow thing maybe it will be that other ideas came from his idea. That is what happened to me anyway.
In the first part of the video I'm showing an idea I presented on Youtube a while back. Okay, so it doesn't quite work and maybe someone else can try out the idea but towards the end of the video I show an accidental discovery which may work. I still need to build the mechanism, but I think it has possibilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNLvk4ONiY&feature=channel_page
Dusty
Take a look at Jan P. Cacks device
http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janPCack.asp
Dusty
I see merit in your getting the stators to rock back and forth to push the rotor. You might be the closest to actually getting something to run if you can do that with out stalling out the wheel.
How about starting another thread. "Things you might be able to do with all those stupid mylow magnets."
Im glad I did not go with AL wheel. I had lots of plexi glass that was on its way to the dump and plenty of mags I keep around for fun. I did place my wheel on a 24 volt dc motor so it if could be made to do something it would be something useful like charging batteries. while farting around with the mags I had conceived a complex mechanical drive to work off the rotor's fields to push rods like a gas engine uses a crank shaft but watching you I see a cam style mechanism mounted to the wheel may actually be less friction.Plus I can use these old #10 roller blade bearings to roll over the cam to tilt the stator. Should end up looking like a roller coaster track but if it works like a coaster it will still come to stop unless the force of the tilt can squeeze down with greater force then the friction causes drag.
I'll need help fabricating a MIB story and some super thin string to. Would have been funny if mylows bird got caught up the string and went spinning around the base of the wheel screaming and chirping in a panic. Make a good animation it could even switch to the birds view as it heads toward the hidden electric motor tangled on the string.
Quote from: ThothTheSecond on May 21, 2009, 06:08:34 PM
Take a look at Jan P. Cacks device
http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janPCack.asp
Interesting idea. Has it been built yet?
Quote from: Yucca on May 21, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
Sterling quoted mylow as saying this:
Surely if his and his wifes life were in jeapordy, then he would say:
"they were all fake, I´m outta here"
or
"they are trying to threaten me, that´s why I faked, I am sick of it, come and see a worker sterling so you can document it"
but no, he continues to provoke the MIBs that supposedly jeopordise his life. Get your story straight Mylow, are you intimidated by the MIB or not? Because in a life threatening situation that is recognised as such, then it´s either fight or flight, there´s no middle ground. It just makes no sense!
Of course it makes no sense.
If the MIB were intend of stopping Mylow's technology they would be leaning on Sterling, not on Mylow.
Sterling is the one who has spread the word far and wide and is still doing so, not Mylow. Sterling is the one to blow the whistle on the MIB's, not Mylow.
Hans von Lieven
I challenge anyone to show evidence that the MIB are real. MIB is just entertainment characters created by writers for the cinema.
Quote from: deseret on May 21, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
@TK
Thats it TK I will give you something to read.. I am sending you a Book of Mormon... Send me your address.
Thanks, deseret. But it's not necessary, I've already got one, it's the one with the sort of purple wrinkly faux-leather cover, I've had it for many years. It's on the shelf next to 3 or 4 versions of the Bible, the Qur'an, the Popol Vuh, the Bhagavad-Gita, and several other revered works of wisdom and fiction.
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Wayne:
I agree with you but I think the way the term MIB is used here is not literally like the movies and novels. I believe it is used here as an all inclusive term that can be applied to anyone, or entity, that seeks (or is thought to seek) the suppression of FE devices. In other words, when someone say MIB it could mean NSA, (God knows why) FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, (and the like) as well as big oil, Illuminati, NWO, etc.
I personally do not believe any of the aforementioned groups or individuals give a rats ass about the FE community, but you will find others on here that think differently. I was just trying to clarify how I think that term is generally used here, and elsewhere.
Sort of like the way the term Mylow'd is going to be.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
Wayne:
I agree with you but I think the way the term MIB is used here is not literally like the movies and novels. I believe it is used here as an all inclusive term that can be applied to anyone, or entity, that seeks (or is thought to seek) the suppression of FE devices. In other words, when someone say MIB it could mean NSA, (God knows why) FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, (and the like) as well as big oil, Illuminati, NWO, etc.
I personally do not believe any of the aforementioned groups or individuals give a rats ass about the FE community, but you will find others on here that think differently. I was just trying to clarify how I think that term is generally used here, and elsewhere.
Sort of like the way the term Mylow'd is going to be.
Bill
Very good Bill. Thank you for posting that clarification. You are correct. The forementioned groups don't give a rats ass because they know that they have already won, regardless of the realization of FE. However, it is not really any of the forementioned groups that are the danger.
@ Hans
I agree with your assesment of the poll questions. I logged it and it interesting to see the results anyway. Worth a look.
@ Everyone
I had an interesting phone call from greg watson last night who spent many years playing with SMOT type devices. I wish I took notes. However one thing I do recall clearly is he felt that such devices are not scalable. It may be possible to achieve continuos movement but as soon as any load is applied it will shut down. thats the short story...the long one would take many pages to type. i will see if I can get him to do a post here one day. Greg has stopped many years ago with SMOT devices and has moved on in the solar energy field.
Mark
Quote from: ThothTheSecond on May 21, 2009, 06:08:34 PM
Take a look at Jan P. Cacks device
http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janPCack.asp (http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janPCack.asp)
Explanation by Jan P. Cack
A Simple Idea
I had only a mild interest in Perpetual Energy at this time. For some reason the idea planted a seed in my brain. Soon after I realized this maybe possible. If you take a magnet and move another magnet towards the first, opposites attract, and then before they can touch, the first magnet rotates180 degrees. Barely "dodging" the second magnet. After a brief energy loss, the 2 magnets are now pushing against each other, same poles repel, and the first magnet is now oriented to "affect" the next magnet in a rotating cycle. Which, obviously, is reversed polarity from second magnet. It seems to be an efficient cycle.
End of Quote.
The observations of Mr Cack are not very good. If he had looked close enough he would have noticed that the second magnet only turns if the magnets are in repel mode to start with. Once the magnet has turned the magnets stick together, End of movement.
In other words his motor is nonsense.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: waynegage on May 21, 2009, 06:22:17 PM
I challenge anyone to show evidence that the MIB are real. MIB is just entertainment characters created by writers for the cinema.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHT0hBgVOw&feature=PlayList&p=81676D2F636D6709&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30
In 1998 he signed a contract with the department of defence to build a $30 million dollar research facility.
He died of food poisoning the following day.
nuff said...
You do know your looking at the wrong group right?
We can all agree there are real scammers/hoaxer/con artists, (call them what you will) in this world of ours, now just take a moment to think, this is their bread and butter we are talking about, if anyone comes along with a real working free energy device, then it is those who I mention that are truly threatened, it will take away there business big time.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
Wayne:
I agree with you but I think the way the term MIB is used here is not literally like the movies and novels. I believe it is used here as an all inclusive term that can be applied to anyone, or entity, that seeks (or is thought to seek) the suppression of FE devices. In other words, when someone say MIB it could mean NSA, (God knows why) FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, (and the like) as well as big oil, Illuminati, NWO, etc.
I personally do not believe any of the aforementioned groups or individuals give a rats ass about the FE community, but you will find others on here that think differently. I was just trying to clarify how I think that term is generally used here, and elsewhere.
Sort of like the way the term Mylow'd is going to be.
Bill
Quote from: fat-lady on May 21, 2009, 05:36:08 PM
he's not listening,he's still selling
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
stop sterling stealing
Yes, you got that right. Sterling is ruining the FE movement with his irresponsible handling of matters. There is so much more to this story than you know yet. Sterling simply exploited Mylow as his pawn.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 21, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHT0hBgVOw&feature=PlayList&p=81676D2F636D6709&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30
nuff said...
That is all nonsense. If it is possible to run a car on water, where is it?
If it is suppressed how do you know about it? It is all nonsense.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
Yes, you got that right. Sterling is ruining the FE movement with his irresponsible handling of matters. There is so much more to this story than you know yet. Sterling simply exploited Mylow as his pawn.
So you think Sterling has not been Mylow'd. Mylow has been Sterling'd.
Did I get this right ???
Hans von Lieven
Stan Meyers was found to be fraudulent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell
Quote from: waynegage on May 21, 2009, 06:55:45 PM
Stan Meyers was found to be fraudulent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell
My point exactly, this is what "they" want you to think...
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 21, 2009, 02:28:56 PM
At what point in this saga did Sterling have access to the original mpeg4 vids from Mylow? Because if he was getting them as they were made, he is guilty, at best, of being a poor observer, because the fishing line is unambiguously as clear as the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Easter Sunday, in several of the high-res vids.
The mere fact that Mylow let those vids out speaks of his utter contempt and disrespect for the entire community. He didn't think we'd see it or know what it was, even though it's right there in front of our noses.
Had Sterling watched those vids carefully and with a critical attitude, this whole thing might never have happened. He may not be guilty of some of the things he's accused of, but certainly he's a pretty darn poor observer, and that's not a good thing in a reporter or journalist.
Sterling was urged strongly in no uncertain terms to proceed with responsible caution. He has repeatedly exercised poor judgement in the past and had likewise neglected to change his behavior.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
Yes, you got that right. Sterling is ruining the FE movement with his irresponsible handling of matters. There is so much more to this story than you know yet. Sterling simply exploited Mylow as his pawn.
IMHO...
Sterling is in the
business ( not hobby) of
Promoting FE Claims ( not necessarily FE),
And He is also in the
Business of Promoting Conspiracy theories.This is how he makes his living.
Anyone that thinks the he is doing all of this out of
the goodness of his heart needs to dig a little deeper.
I believe you are one.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 21, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
My point exactly, this is what "they" want you to think...
Quote from: RunningBare on May 21, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
I believe you are one.
I am one what? lol
And my Brothers death in prison in 03 was what then???
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 21, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
Interesting idea. Has it been built yet?
Clanzer tried I believe:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3507.0
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 21, 2009, 06:54:23 PM
So you think Sterling has not been Mylow'd. Mylow has been Sterling'd.
Did I get this right ???
Hans von Lieven
Oh, they both are involved but Mylow has the heart of a child and Sterling played on that heavily to manipulate the situation. Sterling's advertisers were bailing out well before the Mylow incident due to a fading economy and lack of sales generation and other shortcomings of the PESN site. Sterling was losing advertising revenue right and left. Sterling, facing imminent bankruptcy knew that Mylow was to be his saving grace and cash cow. The realization of what was being done by Sterling was even brought to Sterling's attention in a private. In return, Sterling simply rationalized his actions and in at least one case strongly insiniuated threats to be carried out in a PUBLIC nature if the person didn't shut up.
Sometimes I should learn the first time to leave well alone.
I have no idea, but my condolences on your bothers death.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 21, 2009, 07:08:44 PM
I am one what? lol
And my Brothers death in prison in 03 was what then???
Quote from: The Nephew on May 21, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHT0hBgVOw&feature=PlayList&p=81676D2F636D6709&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30
In 1998 he signed a contract with the department of defence to build a $30 million dollar research facility.
He died of food poisoning the following day.
nuff said...
What would he have died of the next day if he hadn't signed the contract?
(And why did the DoD, who are the MiB, bother to give him the contract if they didn't want him to...oh, never mind.)
Quote from: ThothTheSecond on May 21, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
Clanzer tried I believe:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3507.0
That one looks like a very interesting switching approach/
Quote from: The Nephew on May 21, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
My point exactly, this is what "they" want you to think...
Put on your thinking hat...which is more likely. He actually invented a water car which is totally against all that is know in physics and he would be the only one or he was commiting fraud which is what thousands of people do all the time?
Your brother has nothing to do with this.
LOL, people commit "conspiracy" all the time too , and thousands are convicted of it every year in Court ;)
But conspiracies don't exist, right?
Quote from: jibbguy on May 21, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
LOL, people commit "conspiracy" all the time too , and are thousands are convicted of it every year in Court ;)
But conspiracies don't exist, right?
What are you on about. Show me a conspiracy in regards to FE.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 21, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
What would he have died of the next day if he hadn't signed the contract?
(And why did the DoD, who are the MiB, bother to give him the contract if they didn't want him to...oh, never mind.)
You have a unique way of seeing the truth! How could one not agree with your responce.
Now you see, this is where critical thinking comes in....wait, is this going to be worth my effort?, nah I'm thinking not,
Quote from: jibbguy on May 21, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
LOL, people commit "conspiracy" all the time too , and thousands are convicted of it every year in Court ;)
But conspiracies don't exist, right?
Ahh TK.
A simple story that happened. In a cave looking for an covered entrance to the next one supposedly full of treasure. Knowing we were just about to break through, one of the folks working on this decided to pull a gun on the others. LOL It was a simple thing, he wanted it all.
What was in the next cave. LOL Nothing, yet the belief almost got folks killed.
Real story by the way.
The government never killed they guy. If he was killed? Well read my story for the most likely suspects.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 21, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
What would he have died of the next day if he hadn't signed the contract?
(And why did the DoD, who are the MiB, bother to give him the contract if they didn't want him to...oh, never mind.)
Sure eh, "wanegage", what ever you say.
The government "secretizes" technologies and keeps them from being seen publicly all the time.
And because they sometime do it to keep dangerous potential weapons off the streets, no one disputes this; or even questions the morality of it... Even though they methods they use are extra-legal.
They seize Patent Requests and levee Court Orders demanding secrecy against the inventors (without any particular legal precident to back it); for inventions that they have arbitrarily decided directly threaten National Security; there is no official government review, only a group of officers and Pentagon employees. They do it secretly, and deny it if you ask them about it. The inventors have no recourse but to comply. That fits the definition of "Conspiracy":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy
"An agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage"
Telling them to hand it over, never talk about it again; or go to prison or worse... is an "unfair adantage" lol ;)
The thing is, you will find very few people who would deny that the government stops dangerous technologies from being marketed (or who would disagree with such a need)... Lol the funny part is, often the same peeps who agree with the above claim say there is no such thing as "suppression" ;)
If think the phrase you were looking for is "The government maintain secrecy of technologies" which in itself is a misnomer because you know about them, ergo "not secret"
Quote from: jibbguy on May 21, 2009, 08:14:21 PM
Sure eh, "wanegage", what ever you say.
The government "secretizes" technologies and keeps them from being seen publicly all the time.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 21, 2009, 08:14:21 PM
Sure eh, "wanegage", what ever you say.
The government "secretizes" technologies and keeps them from being seen publicly all the time.
And because they sometime do it to keep dangerous potential weapons off the streets, no one disputes this; or even questions the morality of it... Even though they methods they use are extra-legal.
They seize Patent Requests and levee Court Orders demanding secrecy against the inventors (without any particular legal precident to back it); for inventions that they have arbitrarily decided directly threaten National Security; there is no official government review, only a group of officers and Pentagon employees. They do it secretly, and deny it if you ask them about it. The inventors have no recourse but to comply. That fits the definition of "Conspiracy":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy
"An agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage"
Telling them to hand it over, never talk about it again; or go to prison or worse... is an "unfair adantage" lol ;)
The thing is, you will find very few people who would deny that the government stops dangerous technologies from being marketed (or who would disagree with such a need)... Lol the funny part is, often the same peeps who agree with the above claim say there is no such thing as "suppression" ;)
Please show evidence of suppression of FE.
A beef I have with the perpetual motion movement is that almost everything is done in secrecy. Mylow never allows his device to be examined, Howard Johnson did not reveal his device, and neither does Steorn. Science works best when all aspects of the discovery are explained in as much detail as possible. Remember that allowing a device to be seen is not enough, it must be taken apart and examined by others to be proven.
To all those who believe that new world order agents come after PMM inventors: If you have a device that you claim is overunity, distribute the details of how it works immediately, and verify it with some scientists.
Don't have a beef with them. It is the code of a magician. Never tell, and if caught confuse.
These folks are magicians, not real in claims or device.
Such would be nice but realty does step in and show the truth of the mater. Claims and devices can never be verified.
Quote from: petrov2500 on May 21, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
A beef I have with the perpetual motion movement is that almost everything is done in secrecy. Mylow never allows his device to be examined, Howard Johnson did not reveal his device, and neither does Steorn. Science works best when all aspects of the discovery are explained in as much detail as possible. Remember that allowing a device to be seen is not enough, it must be taken apart and examined by others to be proven.
To all those who believe that new world order agents come after PMM inventors: If you have a device that you claim is overunity, distribute the details of how it works immediately, and verify it with some scientists.
From that great epic movie "Gone With The Spin" I now cry out:
"As God is my witness I'll never be Mylowed again!"
( Until next time)
@Waynegage
Thomas Valone PHD, former patent office employee, has stated on the record that there have been over 3,000 Patent Requests "secretized", many of them "free energy" related.
And there is the patent from the inventor Vijak K. Chandhok, “Method for producing through extrusion an anisotropic magnet with high energy productâ€, U.S. Patent No. 6,787,083 ; most recently re-issued on Sep. 7, 2004.
This one has been under the control of the U.S. Department of Energy for about 8 years now (and sat on of course); apparently they got ahold of it because they had given the guy a Grant. It is reported to allow the cheap manufacture of "asymmetrical" magnets where one pole is significantly more powerful than the other.
Such a thing could make this entire thread moot within a very short time... If they ever do anything with it.
As for your specific request, perhaps that "secret" part and the "court order to remain silent" part might make it a little difficult for the people whom this has happened to in the past, to state so publicly? Maybe you can think of a way around this, so we can provide such proof to you? I have actually been looking for such a dodge for a while now... Because some people might like to go public with their story if they could get away with it without being imprisoned.
With corporate shelving (which is much easier to find proofs of), "Court Subpoenas" can work for this, because no Non-Disclosure Agreement can trump the requirement to testify under Oath in a Court of Law; and even the corporate employees must testify or face Perjury charges if they lie for their bosses. But with these Federal orders, a person can only testify before Congress (ask "Sibel Edmonds" about that one, lol). So i honestly am open to suggestions on defeating this.
This "secretization" technique was also reportedly attempted on a few peeps who avoided it, such as Stanley Meyer himself. He avoided this fate by the fact that he had already filed internationally and had mailed material overseas (lol a good thing for inventors here to remember!!), and so it was too late for them to "secretize", the cat was already out of the bag. They were reportedly very pissed off with him over this at the Pentagon (people like that are used to getting their way). That also came from Dr. Valone's public statements.
Anyone see any "motive" there for killing Stanley Meyer then (i mean besides just "making gasoline obsolete" hehehe)....? Hey, it's a possibility, after all... Just somethin' to think about ;)
________________________
And no Runningbare, the idea of "Secretization" is to "declare them secret"... This then supposes that they were not "secret" before hand; otherwise it would be more along the lines of "re-classification" verses "classification". ;)
Although inventors who do not embrace Open Source are often pretty "secretive" themselves... And in these cases that attitude doesn't help much and only makes it easier to take it away from them ;)
________________________________________
The Open Source model also is worthy for inventors to embrace in that it takes away the "secret" and "mystical" aspects; and will give them creditability as they earn it.
This past affair DID NOT follow the Open Source model... The very first requirement is "verification"... BEFORE replication attempts occur.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 21, 2009, 02:32:15 AM
Morning people,
Joe, try this one on your Apple monitor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Video #6:
It LOOKS like the acceleration cannot have been by hand from LR graph and TK experience with his disc. Correct me (again) if I misinterpreted your last posts on this.
It LOOKS to me that there is no fishing line either. In THIS specific video.
Maybe you can take a look because confusion is taking over.
Again: two setups
1) Original with channel magnets and black stator with the stator close to the disc (key)
NOT the 41a/b setup with the red stator (not near the disc)
2) Later type with bar magnets and two red stators (fakes)
I believe everything after 41a was faked, not only because of the footage of the devices and the later clear fake setups, but ALSO Mylows behaviour changed very notably beginning with 41b.
For those who wish to verify this for themselves, LISTEN carefully too.
I am extremely grateful for LightRider having made a backup of all the videos on his channel.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LRCan1&view=videos&start=80
Any video you wish to see in HD please add &fmt=18 to the end of each individual video.
AZ
AZ,
It would be hard to see fishing line with out looking at the original hi-res video (or copy). I do not have a copy of the hi-res video #6.
But anyway, I think the bottom line is not to trust any self-running devices as being real, until verified.
So, I hope we have learned our lesson from the fishing line videos:)
Thanks,
Joe
Hey:
Stefan should make up T-shirts that have a picture of a bunch of magnets on a wheel and a caption that says:
I Got Mylowed On Overnity.com
He could make them available in the OU store and some of the proceeds could go to the OU prize fund. This would be an honest way to add some humor and to raise some money. I know I would buy one or two.
Wouldn't it be some poetic justice if Stefan made more money on T-shirt sales than Sterling did on the sale of the plans? I could really get behind something like this.
Stefan, one of my neighbors is in the T-shirt business and we could get a great deal. (I don't want anything out of it) Someone here can come up with some designs and this guy can scan them in his computer and make them up. Or you can get a good deal on the internet as well.
This might be a good idea.
Bill
A little help would be appreciated...
I mess up something...
now, i can't see post image anymore, I just see:
sale.jpg (51.33 KB, 621x398 - viewed 220 times.)
and if i click it i get the error page:
An Error Has Occurred!
You do not have permission to approve items.
Thanks,
LightRider
(Sorry to be off topic)
EDIT:
Quote from: gadgetmall on May 21, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
... I went back several pages and all the pics are gone and they say An Error Has Occurred!
You do not have permission to approve items.
Same here...
Quote from: waynegage on May 21, 2009, 07:50:45 PM
What are you on about. Show me a conspiracy in regards to FE.
You're looking right at it Wayne
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 21, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
You're looking right at it Wayne
Yep, a conspiracy of one.
His office is right next door to the Organization of One-Member Organizations. Makes it a lot easier to order coffee.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 21, 2009, 10:31:16 PM
Yep, a conspiracy of one.
His office is right next door to the Organization of One-Member Organizations. Makes it a lot easier to order coffee.
Yes, also helps keep the overhead down a bit.
Just call me agent 'One Finger'
He's baaaaaaaack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
Quote from: Digjam on May 21, 2009, 11:52:16 PM
He's baaaaaaaack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
What a stupid clown!
cheers
chrisC
Now that he has admitted his motor did not work....ever, I think Sterling should give all of those folks that bought the plans for his "working" magnet motor their money back! If he does not, I think he should be reported to the FTC. There is no question now that it was fake. (Not that there was after the OU guys busted him) What possible excuse could Sterling come up with at this point? The MIB made Mylow make this video? Give me a break! Fine, let him tell the FTC that and see how far that defense goes.
I also think that TK should get the prize for the exact replication of Mylow's motor. No question about it.
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on May 22, 2009, 12:13:23 AM
What a stupid clown!
cheers
chrisC
First lie at 1:02; he did in fact encourage replicators to spend lots of money.
1:11 he didn't get anything "going" .
1:23 this man wouldn't know science if he found it in his kitchen, in the microwave.
gahh, I cannot go on. Every breath he takes. I thot he was gonna cry a real crocodile tear there at the beginning but I see it's same sauce, different day.
This should seriously be a case study in psychopathic liars.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 22, 2009, 12:32:27 AM
This should seriously be a case study in psychopathic liars.
4:50-5:08, then look at
"This set of plans is called “Version 1.1†because it is not based on the very first motor Mylow demonstrated on March 17, which used an alnico (originally said to be iron) stator magnet that rapidly demagnetized. Rather, these plans are based on the more powerful alnico stator magnet that Mylow installed on his system on April 1, 2009. After reviewing this manual on April 5, Mylow wrote: “These plans are ok.â€
Purchase Mylow Magnet Motor Manual"
Every damn breath. Every one.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 22, 2009, 12:27:19 AM
Now that he has admitted his motor did not work....ever, I think Sterling should give all of those folks that bought the plans for his "working" magnet motor their money back! If he does not, I think he should be reported to the FTC. There is no question now that it was fake. (Not that there was after the OU guys busted him) What possible excuse could Sterling come up with at this point? The MIB made Mylow make this video? Give me a break! Fine, let him tell the FTC that and see how far that defense goes.
I also think that TK should get the prize for the exact replication of Mylow's motor. No question about it.
Bill
Sorry but I cant agree, if Sterling sold plans to make my penis larger, I would not buy them.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 22, 2009, 12:27:19 AM
Now that he has admitted his motor did not work....ever, I think Sterling should give all of those folks that bought the plans for his "working" magnet motor their money back! If he does not, I think he should be reported to the FTC. There is no question now that it was fake. (Not that there was after the OU guys busted him) What possible excuse could Sterling come up with at this point? The MIB made Mylow make this video? Give me a break! Fine, let him tell the FTC that and see how far that defense goes.
I also think that TK should get the prize for the exact replication of Mylow's motor. No question about it.
Bill
Well, maybe Wattsup still thinks otherwise?
Yes, I also believe TK is entitled to his prize, no arguments about it.
cheers
chrisC
Mylow gives Dick Cheney a run for his money.
He did it to spur on the inventions of Howard Jonson, is that also not the same as convincing replicators to build?
Oh and that's another thing, his visit to the grave side, now while I myself do not hold high esteem for Howard Jonson, but that kind of thing is clearly disrespectful.
Should we stop kicking Mylow now? not a hope in hells chance!
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
First lie at 1:02; he did in fact encourage replicators to spend lots of money.
1:11 he didn't get anything "going" .
1:23 this man wouldn't know science if he found it in his kitchen, in the microwave.
gahh, I cannot go on. Every breath he takes. I thot he was gonna cry a real crocodile tear there at the beginning but I see it's same sauce, different day.
WTF?, my word "large peanut", was auto voided in last post, Stefs got some slick moderation going on. Maybe some auto "no foul mouth", Cant say i like it , anarchy grows food.
6:53, Isn't that a hard drive motor that that "new" miniature HJ Dynamo is mounted on?. Watch out! When he figures out how to work a 3-wire brushless DC motor this one will work too, want to bet?
Hey Mylow, go down to the local hobby shop, they'll sell you a controller for that motor for about 20 bucks. All you have to do is hook it up.
(Who made that? I don't think Mylow did, for some strange reason.)
XO:
I saw where a word had been dropped in your post, I thought you meant something else and were just being polite. Interesting.
We can agree to disagree on the Sterling thing. That is fine with me.
Also, on the other topics, folks can't post photos, and the previously posted photos are no longer available. I am sure Stefan will fix this soon.
Bill
Foul mouth test 1 penis
Foul mouth test 2 fuck
Foul mouth test 3 cunt
Foul mouth test 4 Mylow
Foul mouth test 5 Sterling
So the test is positive, u cant say words 1 and 3 , LMFAO!!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:41:07 AM
6:53, Isn't that a hard drive motor that that "new" miniature HJ Dynamo is mounted on?. Watch out! When he figures out how to work a 3-wire brushless DC motor this one will work too, want to bet?
Hey Mylow, go down to the local hobby shop, they'll sell you a controller for that motor for about 20 bucks. All you have to do is hook it up.
(Who made that? I don't think Mylow did, for some strange reason.)
wow, that's your 45th post
today tk. you should get some sort of pathological award...
keep going, day's not over yet big boy.
Quote from: X00013 on May 22, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
Foul mouth test 1
Foul mouth test 2 fuck
Foul mouth test 3
Foul mouth test 4 Mylow
Foul mouth test 5 Sterling
Looks like the filter needs a little tweaking
(laughing so hard I cant see the keys)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:41:07 AM
6:53, Isn't that a hard drive motor that that "new" miniature HJ Dynamo is mounted on?. Watch out! When he figures out how to work a 3-wire brushless DC motor this one will work too, want to bet?
Hey Mylow, go down to the local hobby shop, they'll sell you a controller for that motor for about 20 bucks. All you have to do is hook it up.
(Who made that? I don't think Mylow did, for some strange reason.)
What's really fucking hilarious about this one is, he's showing a single pole of the stator aimed at single pole rotors. He's moved on to an even more blatantly obvious unworkable fake, perhaps to rub it in people's faces, because the guy is a sadistic compulsive liar. He's actually making me mad now.
I'm so tempted to make a video telling him to shut the fuck up but hed probably threaten a lawsuit.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:43:39 AM
wow, that's your 55th post today tk. you should get some sort of pathological award...
keep going, day's not over yet big boy.
Yeah, and you read every one of them too.
Troll. Stalker. Goon.
Go crawl back under the bridge.
This is a conversation and you aren't part of it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:46:18 AM
Yeah, and you read every one of them too.
Troll. Stalker. Goon.
Go crawl back under the bridge.
not quite. you're pretty predictable, don't have to read ALL of them...
i like to know who talks a lot, says a lot about a person.
45 posts in a day says oodles about you.you can go ad hominem all you want little man, doesn't change the facts of your disease.
go back to your delusions of grandeur and superiority.
it's not up to you to decide who's 'part' of it or not... too bad.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:47:58 AM
not quite. you're pretty predictable, don't have to read ALL of them...
you can go ad hominem all you want little man, doesn't change the facts of your disease.
go back to your delusions of grandeur and superiority.
it's not up to you to decide who's 'part' of it or not... too bad.
No, you've got it wrong. Your argument is an ad hominem. Mine is a flat out insult.
Also I note that you have revised your earlier canard to be slightly more accurate. Congratulations, you appear to have learned to count. Now if you could only learn to read...
I also call for Stefan to get WillInebriated off TK's back while he's indebriated, isn't there some kind of rule about posting while drunk?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:47:58 AM
not quite. you're pretty predictable, don't have to read ALL of them...
you can go ad hominem all you want little man, doesn't change the facts of your disease.
go back to your delusions of grandeur and superiority.
it's not up to you to decide who's 'part' of it or not... too bad.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:52:56 AM
No, you've got it wrong. Your argument is an ad hominem. Mine is a flat out insult.
Also I note that you have revised your earlier canard to be slightly more accurate. Congratulations, you appear to have learned to count. Now if you could only learn to read...
yeah my bad on the number error it was a typo, typing with one hand while winding a coil with the other... you don't get my full attention, too bad.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
I also call for Stefan to get WillInebriated off TK's back while he's indebriated, isn't there some kind of rule about posting while drunk?
i'm not on his back... i merely pointed out that 45 posts in a day deserved some sort of recognition. tk went all buggo after that. whatever, he's got thinner skin than mylow... lol
go cry to your mom too running bare.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:43:39 AM
wow, that's your 45th post today tk. you should get some sort of pathological award...
keep going, day's not over yet big boy.
No attacks dude, no name calling
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 12:52:56 AM
No, you've got it wrong. Your argument is an ad hominem. Mine is a flat out insult.
Also I note that you have revised your earlier canard to be slightly more accurate. Congratulations, you appear to have learned to count. Now if you could only learn to read...
show where mine was ad hominem. put up or shut up.
as to yours being a flat out insult, yes it was and clearly displays your character better than all my pestering of you to do a simple and easy replifake of stifflers sec ever could. thanks man!
Quote from: X00013 on May 22, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
No attacks dude, no name calling
big boy is name calling? ok then...
hey dude you better chastise tk or you might be showing a little bias...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:55:28 AM
i'm not on his back... i merely pointed out that 45 posts in a day deserved some sort of recognition. tk went all buggo after that. whatever, he's got thinner skin than mylow... lol
go cry to your mom too running bare.
Bar talk, dude respect the enemy, respect yourself with words
I would, but she passed away about 20 years ago, my dads ok though, you'd like him, he can make friends with anyone, even people like you, I never did get his knack for that.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 12:55:28 AM
i'm not on his back... i merely pointed out that 45 posts in a day deserved some sort of recognition. tk went all buggo after that. whatever, he's got thinner skin than mylow... lol
go cry to your mom too running bare.
he is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2009, 01:00:06 AM
big boy is name calling? ok then...
hey dude you better chastise tk or you might be showing a little bias...
My bias is science, TK is my enemy, and I respect him.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
I also call for Stefan to get WillInebriated off TK's back while he's indebriated, isn't there some kind of rule about posting while drunk?
Holy crap! I hope not. Is this in the TOS someplace? (Placing beer down behind a book)
Bill
Why did mylow do what he did,
Behavioral economist Dan Ariely, the author of Predictably Irrational, uses classic visual illusions and his own counterintuitive (and sometimes shocking) research findings to show how we're not as rational as we think when we make decisions.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html
Drunk while in charge of a keyboard sir?, I must ask you to blow into this pipe.
"runs pipe into next room and connects to motor", as you can can see gentleman, as I promised a free energy generator driven by the very air we breath.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 22, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Holy crap! I hope not. Is this in the TOS someplace? (Placing beer down behind a book)
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 22, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Holy crap! I hope not. Is this in the TOS someplace? (Placing beer down behind a book)
Bill
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
I think you should add MyLow to the filter. wouldn't that be a hoot.
Quote from: X00013 on May 22, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
Foul mouth test 1
Foul mouth test 2 fuck
Foul mouth test 3
Foul mouth test 4 Mylow
Foul mouth test 5 Sterling
Can I say, I like the name deseret, heck I have said it.
Quote from: deseret on May 22, 2009, 02:19:47 AM
I think you should add MyLow to the filter. wouldn't that be a hoot.
He's not crazy. He knows this stuff is real, to the point that he feels its OK to fake it, for a smarter/luckier brain to figure it out.
I'll follow this saga now as a mistery comedy show, my money for a self-running magnet motor is on someone else, who doesn't post here.
It's a defeat of mankind that it's takin gus this long to get a millijoule of use from any magnetic device. I do have great respect for those intending to make up ground lost.
Why is this stuff harder to figure out than a Concorde or a man on the moon?
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 02:41:30 AM
Why is this stuff harder to figure out than a Concorde or a man on the moon?
Perhaps because some things work in this universe and some don't. Do you seriously think that the guys who design aeroplanes and space shuttles could not design a PMM motor if it was possible?
Physicists do not claim to know everything, but they know a lot. Not because they sit there and study books, it's because they spend a lot of time in laboratories doing experiments. Believe it or not.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 02:41:30 AM
He's not crazy. He knows this stuff is real, to the point that he feels its OK to fake it, for a smarter/luckier brain to figure it out.
I'll follow this saga now as a mistery comedy show, my money for a self-running magnet motor is on someone else, who doesn't post here.
It's a defeat of mankind that it's takin gus this long to get a millijoule of use from any magnetic device. I do have great respect for those intending to make up ground lost.
Why is this stuff harder to figure out than a Concorde or a man on the moon?
The fishing line is visible in the videos before he clams he was harassed by 'MIB's' who made him 'fake it.' It's been a total scam since day one.
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 02:41:30 AM
He's not crazy. He knows this stuff is real, to the point that he feels its OK to fake it, for a smarter/luckier brain to figure it out.
I'll follow this saga now as a mistery comedy show, my money for a self-running magnet motor is on someone else, who doesn't post here.
It's a defeat of mankind that it's takin gus this long to get a millijoule of use from any magnetic device. I do have great respect for those intending to make up ground lost.
Why is this stuff harder to figure out than a Concorde or a man on the moon?
I'll take a stab at this. It is harder to figure this out because those other things you mentioned were actually possible, under the things we think we understand about the universe we live in. This is now self evident because we have done them.
Now, please do not misunderstand me here, I am not saying a permanent magnet motor is impossible, if I thought it were, I would have never have allowed myself to be
Mylowed. But, with everything we (collectively speaking of modern science) think we know, it is impossible. So, only the kooks like us in the FE community are willing to even try. I really hope someone actually does it one day, but, we also might actually have to face the
possibility that it may be undoable.
Bill
Followed by the next generation and the generation after that and th.....oh you get it.
I believe all things are possible given the right tools, materials and most importantly knowledge, I believe we will attain the speed of light despite relativity, I believe we will also tap into a yet undiscovered energy source, what I do however do not believe is that hashing over the same thing will move us forward, it has been over 300 years of PMM claims, oddly though I still keep looking, it's the same mindset though, like what if the magnets were faced this way or a shield placed here.
I guess it's just something about us humans that makes us stubborn against the very workings on the universe.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 22, 2009, 03:05:54 AMbut, we also might actually have to face the possibility that it may be undoable.
Bill
Quote...This one has been under the control of the U.S. Department of Energy for about 8 years now (and sat on of course); apparently they got ahold of it because they had given the guy a Grant. It is reported to allow the cheap manufacture of "asymmetrical" magnets where one pole is significantly more powerful than the other.
Would an asymetrical magnet (both in strength
and size of field) be usefull?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_8f0DYK5s&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_8f0DYK5s&feature=channel_page)
...towards the end of that video he talks about stacking magnets in a stepped-pyramid type configuration, which concentrates/focuses the field on one end - creating asymetry (wasn't his point/purpose, but might be a usefull side-effect).
It seems like you could use this type of magnet (in the sator position on one of these wheel motors) and even angle it, relative to the edge of the disk to 'direct' the repulsion orientation. Also noting that the concentrated field "falls off" really fast (ie. the field is much smaller at one end than the other).
Keep in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about :) - just relaying observation/speculation.
Quote from: markdansie on May 22, 2009, 01:02:30 AM
he is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
TOLD YOU SO
But hey, who listens to crazy AquariuZ?
Lucky for me I can control my ego most of the time.
AZ
And here my last prophecy on this thread...
Within 30 days someone is going to show a working Stonehenge HJ model.
AZ
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 22, 2009, 04:41:43 AM
And here my last prophecy on this thread...
Within 30 days someone is going to show a working Stonehenge HJ model.
AZ
I's not even proven that Howard Johnson had a working Stonehedge Model.
Why would you think someone else would/could make one ?
I say within 30 Days we've definately given up on fixed stator magnets, all replicating something FAR better :-)
@Dusty showed how a hand-held turning horse shoe magnet does miracles on rotor groups. He's going to time this action. If moving the horseshoe via a rotor-driven linkage costs less energy than the rotor is picking up from it, we have overunity. Much more realistic than a statis stator. Static, you just get to deal with (likely) evening out forces.
@rickoff over at energetic forums is doing something quite special and easily+cheaply replicatable. Mylow's setup, if they get overunity at all, will get low efficiency at best, and require crazy-specific magnet placement. more miss than hit. I'm quite convinced it can be made to work, but at the same time convinced a more complicated looking setup will end up being easier to replicated.
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 05:00:05 AM
I say within 30 Days we've definately given up on fixed stator magnets, all replicating something FAR better :-)
@Dusty showed how a hand-held turning horse shoe magnet does miracles on rotor groups. He's going to time this action. If moving the horseshoe via a rotor-driven linkage costs less energy than the rotor is picking up from it, we have overunity. Much more realistic than a statis stator. Static, you just get to deal with (likely) evening out forces.
@rickoff over at energetic forums is doing something quite special and easily+cheaply replicatable. Mylow's setup, if they get overunity at all, will get low efficiency at best, and require crazy-specific magnet placement. more miss than hit. I'm quite convinced it can be made to work, but at the same time convinced a more complicated looking setup will end up being easier to replicated.
I don't get how Rickoff's setup is anything other than the most basic, nonsustaining magnet wheel. He moves the stator by hand (applied external force) when it hits the sticky spot and somehow thinks he can use the flywheel effect and rotor magnets to gain energy and make it run on it's own.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 22, 2009, 04:37:37 AM
TOLD YOU SO
But hey, who listens to crazy AquariuZ?
Lucky for me I can control my ego most of the time.
AZ
Not many,
however what did Mylow come back with....that he decieved us (notice he used plural saying video's) and he has another motor that is hand powered.
I think he might have got some good legal advice.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 22, 2009, 05:09:34 AM
I don't get how Rickoff's setup is anything other than the most basic, nonsustaining magnet wheel. He moves the stator by hand (applied external force) when it hits the sticky spot and somehow thinks he can use the flywheel effect and rotor magnets to gain energy and make it run on it's own.
As I understand it, a tracking mechanism between rotor and stator arm will be put in place, making sure that for each individual magnet passing, the stator will be where it works best.
The idea seems to be that placing the stator will cost less work that the resulting rotor rotation will bring. Net: acceleration. I proposed a second rotor arm, connected directly with the former, to cancel out the forces released and required to place the stators where they need to go.
Rick's setup makes all kinds of sense to me. If this proves to not work, I'm likely to learn a lot from that failure.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 22, 2009, 03:04:24 AM
The fishing line is visible in the videos before he clams he was harassed by 'MIB's' who made him 'fake it.' It's been a total scam since day one.
I am of the same understanding.
But, after supposedly failing for 30 years, perhaps Mylow still wants to believe. So firmly that he was hoping that multiple replication by smarter minds would eventually lead to HJ to be validated.
Mylow is welcome to work on that tiny disc what I'm concerned. Just don't post on it, and ship the inevitable "working" model to Stefan, and no-one less reputable. Both Hj and Mylow will get their deserved credit, and Mylow a job to help design motors from the now expired HJ patents.
I just don't see it actually happening with a static stator, not by Mylow at least. Why make it so hard on yourself? Moving stators are the way forward.
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 08:01:13 AM
I am of the same understanding.
But, after supposedly failing for 30 years, perhaps Mylow still wants to believe. So firmly that he was hoping that multiple replication by smarter minds would eventually lead to HJ to be validated.
Nice twist :D I doubt if any MM will get properly validated after this Mylow's Magic Show fiasco. Even the validators will think twice about getting involved and risking their prof reputations!
Hoppy
Quote from: Hoppy on May 22, 2009, 09:48:54 AM
Nice twist :D I doubt if any MM will get properly validated after this Mylow's Magic Show fiasco. Even the validators will think twice about getting involved and risking their prof reputations!
Hoppy
Any one of thousands of qualified people would jump at the chance to validate an authentic magnet motor. That is not the problem. MIB? That is not the problem. Take a guess at the real problem.
mhhh maybe mylow is amateur-actor and we are all fools?
or is he a writer and he is just getting good material in his book?
but anyway It's time to move ahead
bye
What's your take on Mylow and his magnet motor?
Will soon be vindicated
11 Votes (3%)
Sincere inventor scared by MIB
91 Votes (27%)
Psychotic faker from the beginning
167 Votes (49%)
Planted to discredit FE movement
11 Votes (3%)
Don't know / none of the above
62 Votes (18%)
That was a fun vote, but these kind of votes are meaningless, most of the people who voted would have been from within the community, the public in general would have been unaware, truly, step outside this community and you barely hear a whisper from it.
It was also in general a biased vote with leading questions, I don't think for a moment Sterling thought people would come right out and vote Psychotic faker, he relied on peoples good manners and kindness to avoid that particular vote, and it backfired.
Quote from: LightRider on May 22, 2009, 10:58:36 AM
What's your take on Mylow and his magnet motor?
Will soon be vindicated
11 Votes (3%)
Sincere inventor scared by MIB
91 Votes (27%)
Psychotic faker from the beginning
167 Votes (49%)
Planted to discredit FE movement
11 Votes (3%)
Don't know / none of the above
62 Votes (18%)
Quote from: waynegage on May 22, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
Any one of thousands of qualified people would jump at the chance to validate an authentic magnet motor. That is not the problem. MIB? That is not the problem. Take a guess at the real problem.
How about many would not believe that the validation paperwork shown on the internet was genuine??
Hoppy
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 07:56:13 AM
As I understand it, a tracking mechanism between rotor and stator arm will be put in place, making sure that for each individual magnet passing, the stator will be where it works best.
The idea seems to be that placing the stator will cost less work that the resulting rotor rotation will bring. Net: acceleration. I proposed a second rotor arm, connected directly with the former, to cancel out the forces released and required to place the stators where they need to go.
Rick's setup makes all kinds of sense to me. If this proves to not work, I'm likely to learn a lot from that failure.
Right, that's a nice idea but any triggered mechanism will zero out the acceleration. Same goes for multiple stators, it will all wind up with stasis.
Quote from: Digjam on May 22, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
I's not even proven that Howard Johnson had a working Stonehedge Model.
Why would you think someone else would/could make one ?
Probably because he knows that they already have done so.
Well, Mylow certainly seems to have access to knowledge most of the rest of us don't have.
That's for sure.
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 22, 2009, 07:56:13 AM
As I understand it, a tracking mechanism between rotor and stator arm will be put in place, making sure that for each individual magnet passing, the stator will be where it works best.
The idea seems to be that placing the stator will cost less work that the resulting rotor rotation will bring. Net: acceleration. I proposed a second rotor arm, connected directly with the former, to cancel out the forces released and required to place the stators where they need to go.
Rick's setup makes all kinds of sense to me. If this proves to not work, I'm likely to learn a lot from that failure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTeEATQlDU&feature=rec-HM-r2
Requires energy input
Thank you!, one of my favorite motors, not seen that one in a long time, incredible setup, I was/am envious that I do not have the parts to construct one, would have made a nice curiosity.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 22, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTeEATQlDU&feature=rec-HM-r2
Requires energy input
"Hi Everbody".... Look it spins with my hands. lol
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
Thank you!, one of my favorite motors, not seen that one in a long time, incredible setup, I was/am envious that I do not have the parts to construct one, would have made a nice curiosity.
That kid has a nice rig.
Yes, he used to frequent the Steorn forum, I am unsure if he still does.
It was called the sprain motor named after him.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 22, 2009, 01:04:49 PM
That kid has a nice rig.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 01:18:08 PM
Yes, he used to frequent the Steorn forum, I am unsure if he still does.
It was called the sprain motor named after him.
Cool thanks.
@NYCTUBER
Paul Sprian who developed that device poured a lot of money into researching magnetic motors (over 750k). I had a few phone calls withhim many years ago. He is a decent person. The Sprain motor I believe puts out around 4 watts excess power.....so its not economically viable to make them.
The are similarities to the Wankel patent back in 1978.
Kind Regards
Mark
This would not make sense, if it were
excess then it could be fed back to power itself, excess is the very definition of overunity, while I am certain Paul Sprain is sincere in his belief I am also certain there is no excess.
Quote from: markdansie on May 22, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
@NYCTUBER
Paul Sprian who developed that device poured a lot of money into researching magnetic motors (over 750k). I had a few phone calls withhim many years ago. He is a decent person. The Sprain motor I believe puts out around 4 watts excess power.....so its not economically viable to make them.
The are similarities to the Wankel patent back in 1978.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on May 22, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
@NYCTUBER
Paul Sprian who developed that device poured a lot of money into researching magnetic motors (over 750k). I had a few phone calls withhim many years ago. He is a decent person. The Sprain motor I believe puts out around 4 watts excess power.....so its not economically viable to make them.
The are similarities to the Wankel patent back in 1978.
Kind Regards
Mark
That's correct, it's a Wankel setup with a pulse at the sticky spot. As per RB's coment, it does not produce excess energy. It's a ring of rotor magnets with a timed pulse coil and 2 stators, if it were overunity it would most certainly be economically viable.
It is said that there is 4 watts extra, but I would have to see a working demo And Tk has to verify it too.
Your making me jealous, what's TK got that I have not?, wait don't answer!
Quote from: deseret on May 22, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
It is said that there is 4 watts extra, but I would have to see a working demo And Tk has to verify it too.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 02:05:31 PM
Your making me jealous, what's TK got that I have not?, wait don't answer!
The power of scat! 8)
@NYCTuber
I stand corrected...I should have said it was claimed that it produced 4 watts extra...but this has been disputed.
anyway I have never laughed so much for ages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
Mark
Quote from: deseret on May 22, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
It is said that there is 4 watts extra, but I would have to see a working demo And Tk has to verify it too.
4 watts extra would win a nobel prize and rewrite all the physics books.
All they need to do is have it validated.
Quote from: markdansie on May 22, 2009, 03:25:25 PM
@NYCTuber
I stand corrected...I should have said it was claimed that it produced 4 watts extra...but this has been disputed.
anyway I have never laughed so much for ages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
Mark
Yes and they claim to have, uhhh, run out of money. If I had an OU device, I'd let it run, and sell the electricity back to the utility company, as many people do with solar, etc. I'd be a millionaire in no time. When you read that an OU inventor suddenly 'ran out of money,' it invariably means it does not work, and they have moved on the the 'looking for suckers' err I mean 'looking for investors' phase of the operation.
I agree, that video is hilarious, even if the guy is totally serious. The dopey expressions on Mylow's face alone had me rolling.
What verify... No take it on faith... feel the force my young Padawan
Nah, hes got more bibles than me, including a leather covered Mormon one, he's got me beat hands down.
Quote from: Yucca on May 22, 2009, 03:23:10 PM
The power of scat! 8)
It is many real EVIL people in this forum, that's a fact, real born haters.
Think about it for a while??
And maybe you can change, it is not too late yet. :(
Hi ezzob
Probably a similar percentage that are not in this forum.
peter
Quote from: ezzob on May 22, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
It is many real EVIL people in this forum, that's a fact, real born haters.
Think about it for a while??
And maybe you can change, it is not too late yet. :(
If by evil do you mean people who dislike fraud and dishonesty and deception then I guess you got me there.
QuoteIf by evil do you mean people who dislike fraud and dishonesty and deception then I guess you got me there.
I have to say I agree with this statement and I am in the boat that thinks that OU is possible. And wishing I had a leather coverd Book of Mormon. oh well.
I agree totally, ignorance can be evil, and very dangerous.
I am sure you would not walk over the edge of a cliff because you have the intelligence to already know the result.
Quote from: ezzob on May 22, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
It is many real EVIL people in this forum, that's a fact, real born haters.
Think about it for a while??
And maybe you can change, it is not too late yet. :(
Quote from: RunningBare on May 22, 2009, 05:09:49 PM
I agree totally, ignorance can be evil, and very dangerous.
I am sure you would not walk over the edge of a cliff because you have the intelligence to already know the result.
RB:
But, isn't there the chance that gravity does not work all of the time? Maybe we can all walk off of cliffs but the MIBs are suppressing this information and do not want us to know how to do this?
Of course I am kidding.
Bill
This is how the real world tests things to prove them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
Of course, if you wish to climb into this vehicle and test it out for yourself in the same fashion then who am I to prevent you?, but I do strongly advise against it, it is better if the tester is alive to give the results.
Quote from: ezzob on May 22, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
It is many real EVIL people in this forum, that's a fact, real born haters.
Think about it for a while??
And maybe you can change, it is not too late yet. :(
I bet I can prove that my pretend friend is better than your pretend friend.
I also wish to state that I feel the love in this room. However just in case I went out and picked some garlic, made a cross, had my water bottle blessed and bought some silver bullets on ebay.
Kind regards and love
Mark :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Guys,
Seeing how Rick and the Bedini crew move in right in the middle of a fiasco to advertise an upcoming pointless DVD on Howard Johnson, I can't help but asking the question: is one born a scam artist or can one learn to become one?
I am guessing it must be the former as I can't imagine the kind of character and lack of shame it takes to go and advertise Howard Johnson upcoming DVD on Mylow_Magmo yahoo group. Being a salesman is one thing, but It takes a special character to be a scam artist.
Miki out.
As I've stated, while folk are watching out for the mythical MiB, they are looking out for the wrong people, it's called distraction tactics.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 22, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
Guys,
I can't help but asking the question: is one born a scam artist or can one learn to become one?
Miki out.
I have followed Dennis Lee almost from the beginning and I think he honestly believed he could make a magnet motor and over years I saw a transition first to a mystical position where he felt he was appointed by a supreme being and then onto a first class scam artist. I think he was not ready to give up the life style and money that came his way by foolish supporters.
@ Chase
@ all replicators
In the very first movie i wondered why Mylow always moved the rotor plate to
approach the stator ..
it seemed much more logical to move the stator support instead.
Just didn't make any sense ..
Neither did the two holes one in each stator support ..
but it didn't seem to important back then either.
Then he got caught with the fishing line .. and it became clear and
EASY to see why Mylow moved the rotor plate and NOT THE STATOR ..
SOME still seem to believe that maybe the first movies were true !
Consider:
In the fakes He moves the rotor plate so as to tighten the fishing line onto the
rotor spindle supplying enough traction pressure to cause the disk to slowly
accelerate .. Moving the stator support would NOT serve to tighten the fishing
line.
AND
in the VERY FIRST movie he ALSO starts the motor by moving the rotor plate ..
tightening the fishing line on the rotor spindle are we ? ?
To me that demonstrates that MYLOW never discovered anything - he has been lying
all the time.
His very first movies were faked the same way as the last ones the string is
just less obvious and apparent in those first ones.
he starts all the fakes spinning in exactly the same way ! !
The first movie stator supports have the two holes to pass the fishing line
under the
plate to run the rotor.
What Mylow has done to Sterling and to Howard Johnson's name in all of this is
just plain despicable hurtful and mean..
IMO he deserves all the bad KARMA that he gets as a result of his actions . .
Queue
That's right, Queue.
I agree 100%
Bill
@queue
i also agree.
has anyone got the right link to the first video..the one where the line is faintly visible at 3.56
I have so many I am confused
mark
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1) Here is the link to all Mylow videos
Quote from: queue on May 23, 2009, 12:38:38 AM
To me that demonstrates that MYLOW never discovered anything - he has been lying
all the time.
4-sure
Thanks though for making the replication attempt queue. It's good to see your stuff, you do a great job. And I always love the smooth jazz/new age music you have in the background... very soothing.
Two thumbs up to you!!
YEAH RIGHT.
I promised I would not post in this thread again, but you people are incredible.
First running presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
He has the camera in his right hand.
He grabs the stator assembly with his left hand (while still holding the camera with his right hand, and starts sliding the stator assembly to the left to bring it in position.
To stop the rotation he moves the stator to the right to make the disc brake on the wood of the left stator support. If his left hand is moving the stator assembly, and his right hand isholding the camera how -pray tell - would he be moving the disc? Using his tongue?
There is NO FISHLINE visible anywhere in this video. If you see it post the frames and snapshots with highlights where, or otherwise just stop implying that there is.
Stop the negativity and stay objective. *All of you* - You know very well who you are. If anyone rubs my nose into the fake which Video #6 is supposed to be I will fold in a heartbeat.
Next post in this thread will be a working replication.
AZ
I do wish you all the best in the future as it appears you will not be posting here again.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 23, 2009, 05:04:22 AM
YEAH RIGHT.
I promised I would not post in this thread again, but you people are incredible.
Stop the negativity and stay objective. *All of you* - You know very well who you are. If anyone rubs my nose into the fake which Video #6 is supposed to be I will fold in a heartbeat.
Next post in this thread will be a working replication.
AZ
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 23, 2009, 05:04:22 AM
YEAH RIGHT.
I promised I would not post in this thread again, but you people are incredible.
First running presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
He has the camera in his right hand.
He grabs the stator assembly with his left hand (while still holding the camera with his right hand, and starts sliding the stator assembly to the left to bring it in position.
To stop the rotation he moves the stator to the right to make the disc brake on the wood of the left stator support. If his left hand is moving the stator assembly, and his right hand isholding the camera how -pray tell - would he be moving the disc? Using his tongue?
There is NO FISHLINE visible anywhere in this video. If you see it post the frames and snapshots with highlights where, or otherwise just stop implying that there is.
Stop the negativity and stay objective. *All of you* - You know very well who you are. If anyone rubs my nose into the fake which Video #6 is supposed to be I will fold in a heartbeat.
Next post in this thread will be a working replication.
AZ
Wrong, dude. The fishing line becomes visible at 3:56 for ~ 3 seconds, then again at 4:07 when he pans back out.
I guess you never watched the hi-res videos and don't know what to look for. The fishing line goes through the HOLE in the side of the stator mount. The HOLE is there to allow fishing line to pass through. It's been 100% debunked, you're spinning your wheels (no pun intended).
I have looked at video 6 over and over and do not see any fishing line. That hole on the wooden end it a view port. Does any one have an image grab of the fishing line in video 6 or is there a hi res video 6.
Hi Wattsup
I am not sure if there is a HD video number 6.....if there is I would like to see it as well.
Other than that there are some other things that have been mentioned like the sliding of the rotor unit as he did in other videos he faked.
I guess we will not know for sure. The only thing that would resolve this once and for all if someone does a working replication or Mylow shows someone how it is done so they can show the rest of us.
In the mean time this thread and others will die a natural death.
I believe the body of evidence that exists suggests he was faking all the time. Others will have a different opinion and others again will keep experimenting.
The good thing it generated a lot of interest. The bad thing it brought FE into disrepute.
If you find a hd number 6 let me know.
mark
Quote from: wattsup on May 23, 2009, 06:33:16 AM
I have looked at video 6 over and over and do not see any fishing line. That hole on the wooden end it a view port. Does any one have an image grab of the fishing line in video 6 or is there a hi res video 6.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 23, 2009, 05:04:22 AM
YEAH RIGHT.
I promised I would not post in this thread again, but you people are incredible.
First running presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
He has the camera in his right hand.
He grabs the stator assembly with his left hand (while still holding the camera with his right hand, and starts sliding the stator assembly to the left to bring it in position.
To stop the rotation he moves the stator to the right to make the disc brake on the wood of the left stator support. If his left hand is moving the stator assembly, and his right hand isholding the camera how -pray tell - would he be moving the disc? Using his tongue?
There is NO FISHLINE visible anywhere in this video. If you see it post the frames and snapshots with highlights where, or otherwise just stop implying that there is.
Stop the negativity and stay objective. *All of you* - You know very well who you are. If anyone rubs my nose into the fake which Video #6 is supposed to be I will fold in a heartbeat.
Next post in this thread will be a working replication.
AZ
Indeed, the analysis of the graphs leads us to ask questions about the nature of the energy that accelerates the engine. Video analysis of all the first video (especially video 41b ... but also the video 6) shows all an acceleration curve seemingly chaotic ... far from what one might expect from such an engine... and far from all last video acceleration curve... but the acceleration curve seems to always reach the same maximum ... and it seems difficult to reproduce this by hand (as demonstrated by TK). We must not forget that all first videos are zoom in, the validity of the data are thus reduced.
video#6 @9:00 zoom at the hole from one stator support... NO FISHLINE visible... as far as i can tell... (frame by frame)
video#6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Analysis (last videos)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data:Motor_RPM_--_by_LightRider
Analysis (first videos)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Data#Speed_Graph_from_April_3_Video
LightRider
Quote from: wattsup on May 23, 2009, 06:33:16 AM
I have looked at video 6 over and over and do not see any fishing line. That hole on the wooden end it a view port. Does any one have an image grab of the fishing line in video 6 or is there a hi res video 6.
You know you'll never believe something somebody sends you.
Look at the YT video in the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Watch in Highdef. Don't blow up to full screen.
Imagine where the hole is in the left stator support. Now watch 3:53- 3:58.
If you don't see it you need new glasses, or a new monitor.
A slightly loose string, coupled with the effect of the knot sliding over the support hole edge as the knot slides past it, might make the rotation rate signature look "chaotic" yet still allow the consistent max rpms.
And why in the name of all that is unholy would anybody need a "view port" just there? Anybody can tell you that the most expensive machining operation is putting holes in things. They have to be located, the tooling installed, the workpiece clamped and backed, the edges deburred, etc.etc.
You don't put precisely located holes in something as "viewports" when you can just look around that something.
Quote from: wattsup on May 23, 2009, 06:33:16 AM
I have looked at video 6 over and over and do not see any fishing line. That hole on the wooden end it a view port. Does any one have an image grab of the fishing line in video 6 or is there a hi res video 6.
A view port?? He never used them for that and why would he....
There isn't any hi res video for that one. Look at the hi res video that is available then watch the same videos in low res. You have to know what to look for, the string is absolutely there in the first video at the times stated.
It first becomes visible @ 3:56. This is @ 3:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Nothing said or shown so far convinces me that video #6 is "for real".
Nothing said or shown so far convinces me that video #6 is "a fake" either.
...the points made so far (on both sides of the arguement) could easily be explained otherwise, depending on whatever the actual 'truth' (whatever that is) of that video is.
IMO, it's just too difficult to draw convincing conclusions either way from that particular video (ie. odd accel curves, non-steady-cam filming with unopportune zooming, no matching hires video, etc). I wouldn't characterize anything about this video as "absolute".
EDIT:
Note that I'm not saying (for example) that there is no 'evidence' of a string (if that's what you're trying to show/prove) - I could easily believe that what you're seeing is a string - but if there was in fact no string there, I could just as easily believe that it's just a compression artifact or something else.
Taken as a whole, if it IS actually a string, then explaining 'how' he managed to get it there (in this video) is tougher than the others (that actually show the rotor being lifted, etc). Obviously I've seen Chris Angel and other magicians doing "seamingly" impossible feats (magic tricks) on TV, so I'm not saying it couldn't be done, just that it would imply more elaborate planning / slight-of-hand than the other vids.
Either way - I don't think the evidence shown so far is convincingly conclusive for either side of the argument.
I have to reiterate that I can also see the string, but as I already pointed out they are going to see what they want to see.
We are all capable of biased observation, we do not want to see what's before us because it goes against what we've believed then we will not look hard enough, and if we do see something suspicious we will explain it away as an artifact/apparition
Some of us can eventually get passed that bias, while others will continue to lie to themselves.
I have no problem with a person that lies to themselves, I have a problem when they pass that lie around.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:02:33 AM
Nothing said or shown so far convinces me that video #6 is "for real".
Nothing said or shown so far convinces me that video #6 is "a fake" either.
...the points made so far (on both sides of the arguement) could easily be explained otherwise, depending on whatever the actual 'truth' (whatever that is) of that video is.
IMO, it's just too difficult to draw convincing conclusions either way from that particular video (ie. odd accel curves, non-steady-cam filming with unopportune zooming, no matching hires video, etc). I wouldn't characterize anything about this video as "absolute".
Think of it like reading an X-Ray. To the untrained eye, it's usually impossible understand what you're looking at. You need to train your eye with the high resolution videos. I have 0% doubt about the fishing line in the first video.
5 bucks says they don't go for it.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 09:59:19 AM
It first becomes visible at 3:57.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 10:15:39 AM
5 bucks says they don't go for it.
It doesn't really matter, the fishing line is there.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 10:11:10 AM
I have to reiterate that I can also see the string, but as I already pointed out they are going to see what they want to see.
We are all capable of biased observation, we do not want to see what's before us...
Just curious... can you tell me why I might have split your quote at this particular point?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 10:11:10 AM... because it goes against what we've believed then we will not look hard enough, and if we do see something suspicious we will explain it away as an artifact/apparition
Some of us can eventually get passed that bias, while others will continue to lie to themselves.
I have no problem with a person that lies to themselves, I have a problem when they pass that lie around.
:)
hint:
The first part makes perfect sense.
The second part proves the first part.
You know it, I know it, TK knows it, unfortunately we have a stigma attached to us, it's called skepticism, great word, wise word, but so many on here see the word "cynicism" or the more extreme cases see the letters "MiB"
Quote from: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
It doesn't really matter, the fishing line is there.
There was no need for the hint Psyclone, I was well aware of the paradox of my statement, but would you rather I had biased the statement?
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:23:51 AM
hint:
The first part makes perfect sense.
The second part proves the first part.
This is the greatest part of the Mylow magic act. No mater what is said and shown, some one will believe he really did it.
It would not mater if folks for the next ten years tried to replicate such, and failed, some will believe what was claimed in the show.
Again no reputable validation of original,+ no reputable replication of the claim, = not REAL.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 10:28:27 AM
There was no need for the hint Psyclone, I was well aware of the paradox of my statement, but would you rather I had biased the statement?
Nah - just pointing out the biased nature of the second part... you start by saying that we are
all capable of biased opinion, but then (effectively) go on to explain how you need to 'get over that' and agree with you that your opinion is the only 'correct' one.
I'm sure that you don't actually believe that - it's just the way it read. ;)
Damn got to clean my key board. Had a cup of java and some in me mouth when I read this. ROTFLOL
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:34:12 AM
Nah - just pointing out the biased nature of the second part... you start by saying that we are all capable of biased opinion, but then (effectively) go on to explain how you need to 'get over that' and agree with you that your opinion is the only 'correct' one.
I'm sure that you don't actually believe that - it's just the way it read. ;)
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
This is the greatest part of the Mylow magic act. No mater what is said and shown, some one will believe he really did it.
It would not mater if folks for the next ten years tried to replicate such, and failed, some will believe what was claimed in the show.
Again no reputable validation of original,+ no reputable replication of the claim, = not REAL.
They also need to realize that his persona is that of someone who is nervous and trying to seem legitimate, rather than someone who is legitimate and seems nervous. Big difference. He reminds me of a little kid trying to convince his parents he didn't break their expensive china.
Quote from: AquariuZ on May 23, 2009, 05:04:22 AM
YEAH RIGHT.
I promised I would not post in this thread again, but you people are incredible.
First running presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&fmt=18
He has the camera in his right hand.
He grabs the stator assembly with his left hand (while still holding the camera with his right hand, and starts sliding the stator assembly to the left to bring it in position.
Yes at one point he moves his left hand to the stator assembly to adjust something near the hole. But then he puts his hand under the rotor plate and moves that.
He is not moving the stator he is moving the rotor . .
Aqariuz :
i can't believe you can't see that !
If you are having trouble seeing what is being moved at that point - stator or rotor - watch the rotor magnets on the aluminum plate and use the wall as a fixed reference point -
it's the rotor plate that's moving NOT the STATOR and you do need glasses if you can't see that.
The only reason to move the rotor plate is to tighten the drive string.
Don't forget this setup was his first location - he had lots of time to figure everything out for the trickery .. lighting - string placement .. etc etc
It's when we asked him to move to a glass table that things became tougher for him to adjust as effectively.
Anyway .. i guess people will just believe what they choose too.
Myself .. i put hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into trying to get his configs to work .. and i am pretty convinced now with that experience to bear that he was just lying since the get go.
No replications to date .. and many have tried.
Thats fact not fantasy.
Queue
I cannot help the way you view it, but you have made my point for me, thank you.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:34:12 AM
Nah - just pointing out the biased nature of the second part... you start by saying that we are all capable of biased opinion, but then (effectively) go on to explain how you need to 'get over that' and agree with you that your opinion is the only 'correct' one.
I'm sure that you don't actually believe that - it's just the way it read. ;)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 10:42:41 AM
I cannot help the way you view it, but you have made my point for me, thank you.
Hehe..
Hopefulls: They "want to see" no string - and don't.
Skeptics: They "want to see" a string - and do.
...but somehow your position is that 'bias' doesn't apply to someone with a skeptical mindset? Those people aren't included in the earlier "all" statement? Cool.
It is apparent that you fail to construct the rest of the jigsaw, but since it has already been stated so many times on this forum and in the yahoo groups I see no reason to go into it again.
But I'll give you this much, there is a bias, but it is a bias weighed by all the other evidence, accept it or not, I and others see the line in video 6.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
Hehe..
Hopefulls: They "want to see" no string - and don't.
Skeptics: They "want to see" a string - and do.
...but somehow your position is that 'bias' doesn't apply to someone with a skeptical mindset? Those people aren't included in the earlier "all" statement? Cool.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:02:33 AM
Nothing said or shown so far convinces me that video #6 is "a fake" either.
Have you forgotten that all of science says it's fake. Fake is the smart position until proven otherwise.
@Psyclone
I should also add that I had the video here enhanced, but I did not put it up as any kind of evidence because in my opinion there was not enough clarity, I could already hear the rebuttals, which was evidenced by the silly photoshop theories in the clearly faked videos.
wow, faked fakes, you know, a good writer could make something of this story, and possibly an action MiB thriller.
Ok, I don't want to drag this out too far either, so let me just try to clarify what I'm saying and I'll move on...
First, try not to get the impression that I'm trying to convince you (or that I believe) that there is no string - or that there is one. That's not my point.
In fact, I happen to believe that there was trickery involved in vid #6 as well - particularly in light of all the other evidence from other vids (ie. his S.O.P.). The question/observation I'm trying to address here is whether vid #6 - on it's own - has convincing evidence, one way or the other. And my opinion at this point is that it does not.
Looking at it from a purely hypothetical, made up situation...
Let's say that 'Mi-Lo' has been charged with "trickery" - a crime punishable by a large fine and some jail time.
In this case, he was only charged with "trickery" for video #6, but the prosecuter managed to submit all the other videos into evidence.
Jury (me): "Guilty, your honor".
Now, suppose this was a Capital Forum Crime (punishable by death) - but with a twist: If the "truth" turns out to be that the video was not faked (assuming for the sake of discussion that the "truth" is knowable - it's in an envelope on the Judge's bench), then *I* would be put to death.
...In this case, I'd have to aquit (sp) - I'm not that sure - are you?
(ie. I'm not 100% convinced - either way - that video #6 was faked or not. I remain open to the possibility that it was not - and the probability that it was)
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 11:28:52 AM
Ok, I don't want to drag this out too far either, so let me just try to clarify what I'm saying and I'll move on...
First, try not to get the impression that I'm trying to convince you (or that I believe) that there is no string - or that there is one. That's not my point.
In fact, I happen to believe that there was trickery involved in vid #6 as well - particularly in light of all the other evidence from other vids (ie. his S.O.P.). The question/observation I'm trying to address here is whether vid #6 - on it's own - has convincing evidence, one way or the other. And my opinion at this point is that it does not.
Looking at it from a purely hypothetical, made up situation...
Let's say that 'Mi-Lo' has been charged with "trickery" - a crime punishable by a large fine and some jail time.
In this case, he was only charged with "trickery" for video #6, but the prosecuter managed to submit all the other videos into evidence.
Jury (me): "Guilty, your honor".
Now, suppose this was a Capital Forum Crime (punishable by death) - but with a twist: If the "truth" turns out to be that the video was not faked (assuming for the sake of discussion that the "truth" is knowable - it's in an envelope on the Judge's bench), then *I* would be put to death.
...In this case, I'd have to aquit (sp) - I'm not that sure - are you?
Want to convince yourself? Look at the replication attempts. The little wheel sits there, cogs, does maybe a few meager rotations after a hand push, and stops. Mylow's starts up like it has a Chevy 500 HP engine in the thiing and spins and spins at (in comparison) high speed. He has to stop it with both hands or use the stator mount. Once you accept the idea that his 'asymetric micro placement' of the rotors is 100% horsesh*t, it becomes clear as a bell.
On both sides of this situation there exists preconceived ideas. Belief if you will.
The play on such has been the major drive of magicians, and in the OU Fe world con men and just folks thinking they can get others to solve what they see as the problem.
All the old names in this game Keely Bessler (speeling) etc; generated the idea of reality to such claimed.
Yet so far no valid (verifiable) verification of reproduction of claims has been achieved, yet folks still look and hope for such. (Me included in that group).
I can and have fooled myself into beliveing, Whip mag being the latest: yet still have not seen any verifiable proof of such.
The magnet motor game has always been around with man since they first found load stone and really started observing the reactions of such. Yet still today there is NO validated working Permanent magnet motor, despite claims other wise.
Yet here is folks still looking into and trying to replicate what is claimed from the past, through today with an almost absolute belief it is real.
LOL I play with this stuff, not because I believe it will not work, but in hopes it will.
Yet my experiencing such is: it is not real.
I no longer just dive into any claim. If I can not see a reason such might work (Usual fooling myself in this) I do not attempt replication.
Folks should always look with what is the magician show today. How is he really doing it instead of what they claim. Is it real or is it a trick. In the FE OU world such is done 99% of the time. Folks who believe in such FE and OU. Do not let the magicians fool you.
I hope this saga of mylow the magician will teach some folks just to be more careful in believing everything they hear and see.
From what I can tell this would have been the best motivation for the whole show.
Before we get our wires crossed with hypothetical situations, I would not take video 6 alone as evidence before a judge, I would however put it before a jury and let them decide, if they decide not enough evidence I would accept it, in my own opinion there is not enough evidence for video 6 alone, but I am not the only one able to see that line.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 11:28:52 AM
In fact, I happen to believe that there was trickery involved in vid #6 as well - particularly in light of all the other evidence from other vids (ie. his S.O.P.). The question/observation I'm trying to address here is whether vid #6 - on it's own - has convincing evidence, one way or the other. And my opinion at this point is that it does not.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
On both sides of this situation there exists preconceived ideas. Belief if you will.
The play on such has been the major drive of magicians, and in the OU Fe world con men and just folks thinking they can get others to solve what they see as the problem.
All the old names in this game Keely Bessler (speeling) etc; generated the idea of reality to such claimed.
Yet so far no valid (verifiable) verification of reproduction of claims has been achieved, yet folks still look and hope for such. (Me included in that group).
I can and have fooled myself into beliveing, Whip mag being the latest: yet still have not seen any verifiable proof of such.
The magnet motor game has always been around with man since they first found load stone and really started observing the reactions of such. Yet still today there is NO validated working Permanent magnet motor, despite claims other wise.
Yet here is folks still looking into and trying to replicate what is claimed from the past, through today with an almost absolute belief it is real.
LOL I play with this stuff, not because I believe it will not work, but in hopes it will.
Yet my experiencing such is: it is not real.
I no longer just dive into any claim. If I can not see a reason such might work (Usual fooling myself in this) I do not attempt replication.
Folks should always look with what is the magician show today. How is he really doing it instead of what they claim. Is it real or is it a trick. In the FE OU world such is done 99% of the time. Folks who believe in such FE and OU. Do not let the magicians fool you.
I hope this saga of mylow the magician will teach some folks just to be more careful in believing everything they hear and see.
From what I can tell this would have been the best motivation for the whole show.
Good observations. What threw everyone about Mylow is, he's not exactly a con man. He's a 44 year old guy living out a fantasy. I'd say what we saw was a mid-life crisis. Some men buy Corvettes, Mylow built a magnet motor from childhood and basked in his 15 minutes of fame before the jig was up.
Oh, and to be fair, the jury must not have prior knowledge of all the other events, they must not even know the source or events surrounding it.
Oh and the idea of some of it is real (not all fake) is due to folks do not like admitting they were fooled into believing the claim. Some personalitys will not allow such.
It is also a normal thing also.
Can I give the jury a basic lesson in science?? LOL
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 11:48:18 AM
Oh, and to be fair, the jury must not have prior knowledge of all the other events, they must not even know the source or events surrounding it.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 11:48:51 AM
Oh and the idea of some of it is real (not all fake) is due to folks do not like admitting they were fooled into believing the claim. Some personalitys will not allow such.
It is also a normal thing also.
The psychology of the whole thing is pretty amazing. It's a lot like Religion.
Heh, I once believed in Steorn, it's amazing what you accept when you do not fully understand the words spoken, hey I cannot help it, my physic lecturer was boring.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 11:48:51 AM
Oh and the idea of some of it is real (not all fake) is due to folks do not like admitting they were fooled into believing the claim. Some personalitys will not allow such.
It is also a normal thing also.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
On both sides of this situation there exists preconceived ideas. Belief if you will.
The play on such has been the major drive of magicians, and in the OU Fe world con men and just folks thinking they can get others to solve what they see as the problem.
... snip ...
From what I can tell this would have been the best motivation for the whole show.
Good points, all.
Good grief no!, they need to see it from the same perspective as those with little understanding of physics, like me.
oh ok, I do know if I jump off a cliff without a parachute there will be consequences.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 11:51:11 AM
Can I give the jury a basic lesson in science?? LOL
The whole thing was worth it for this alone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
It's still hilarious.
Yeah, had me laughing also.
Note the comments, now that's a clear example of bias.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 12:05:32 PM
The whole thing was worth it for this alone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
It's still hilarious.
@RB, TK, nyc, lost, etc.
All I'm trying to do is play devil's advocate. I believe strongly in a healthy dose of skeptism, but am always cautious where that becomes bias. There's also nothing wrong with being biased - as long as you recognize that/when you are - you (I) always want to remain open/objective to new ideas and concepts.
If I've made anyone stop and re-evaluate thier potential biases and thought processes, and you're happy with your conclusions, then I'm happy too :) .
@the optimists among you (including the skeptics)...
Don't let "it's never been done before" stop you. How often was that said about manned flight before the Wright Brothers worked out the details required to make it happen? History is a great teacher, but challenging what's "known to be true" is IMO the way of innovation. Also if the 'facts' and known 'laws' are based on a false / incomplete model (they always are, always have been and always will be) then aren't those laws (of nature/physics/whatever) equally incomplete?
Someone (AquariuZ?) posted a link the other day to http://aias.us (http://aias.us/) and I found it facinating. I don't have enough knowledge/education to comprehend (let alone validate) everything discussed there, but it sure sounds at least worthy of perusal (I like that it's rooted in geometry - because it rings true with some of my more 'metaphysical' beliefs about reality, but now better explained in a more scientific manner (assuming I could understand it all :) )).
I'm sure others here may have opinions on it's validity as a unified theory (?).
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 12:21:09 PM
@RB, TK, nyc, lost, etc.
All I'm trying to do is play devil's advocate. I believe strongly in a healthy dose of skeptism, but am always cautious where that becomes bias. There's also nothing wrong with being biased - as long as you recognize that/when you are - you (I) always want to remain open/objective to new ideas and concepts.
If I've made anyone stop and re-evaluate thier potential biases and thought processes, and you're happy with your conclusions, then I'm happy too :) .
@the optimists among you (including the skeptics)...
Don't let "it's never been done before" stop you. How often was that said about manned flight before the Wright Brothers worked out the details required to make it happen? History is a great teacher, but challenging what's "known to be true" is IMO the way of innovation. Also if the 'facts' and known 'laws' are based on a false / incomplete model (they always are, always have been and always will be) then aren't those laws (of nature/physics/whatever) equally incomplete?
I don't think you realize that nearly everyone here has been on both sides of the fence regarding Mylow. Aquar1uZ is one major exception, he refuses to accept reality. I know for a fact that there is fishing line in the first video, because I bothered to watch the hi res of later videos and compared them to normal versions. The scientific process was followed, and the answer is, it's a 100% fake from start to finish.
Psyclone, I like the debates with you, and from what I read you are nobodies fool.
But this is an incorrect analogy, in fact I'd say Davinci himself proves this to be an incorrect analogy, birds and mammals were already in flight, those who shouted down the Write brothers lacked the Knowledge to understand how it was possible, they may have been bright in their chosen fields, that however does not mean they understood everything.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 12:21:09 PM
Don't let "it's never been done before" stop you. How often was that said about manned flight before the Wright Brothers worked out the details required to make it happen? History is a great teacher, but challenging what's "known to be true" is IMO the way of innovation. Also if the 'facts' and known 'laws' are based on a false / incomplete model (they always are, always have been and always will be) then aren't those laws (of nature/physics/whatever) equally incomplete?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 12:32:31 PM
Psyclone, I like the debates with you, and from what I read you are nobodies fool.
But this is an incorrect analogy, in fact I'd say Davinci himself proves this to be an incorrect analogy, birds and mammals were already in flight, those who shouted down the Write brothers lacked the Knowledge to understand how it was possible, they may have been bright in their chosen fields, that however does not mean they understood everything.
Point taken - it may have been a bad analogy. Maybe a better way of expressing it would be the quote (which I may be mis-remembering the exact wording of):
"Absence of Proof is not Proof of Absence"
Gah!, why'd you go and end a good debate with logic
Yes, you cannot prove a negative, ergo, no proof, no validity.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
"Absence of Proof is not Proof of Absence"
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 12:47:26 PM
Gah!, why'd you go and end a good debate with logic
D'oh! Sorry. I thought we were about done :).
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
Hehe..
Hopefulls: They "want to see" no string - and don't.
Skeptics: They "want to see" a string - and do.
...but somehow your position is that 'bias' doesn't apply to someone with a skeptical mindset? Those people aren't included in the earlier "all" statement? Cool.
As the camera pans in the video in question, the "compression artifact" continues to describe the SAME LINE wrt the stator support, and it moves in PARALLAX just as it should if it were an image of an actual object suspended in space at the height of the hole.
That's a pretty good trick for a compression artifact.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 12:47:26 PM
Yes, you cannot prove a negative, ergo, no proof, no validity.
...but just to humor you, I meant the quote to be in relation to "just because it's never been done before - doesn't mean it can't be"... but I do like how you twisted it to your own means :) .
Psyclone, I get what you're doing and I'm all for it.
I'm one of those, who, for various reasons,always KNEW that Mylow was faking it. Why? Suppose someone told you that he could go up a tall building, jump off, and land safely in front of you without spilling his decaf latte, in his shirtsleeves and civvies.
Yes, for that reason.Some things really are impossible, without hidden aids.
So when I started looking at Mylow's vids, my question wasn't "how am I going to build an exact duplicate of what I'm seeing, which appears to be a real running magnet motor" but rather " what I'm seeing cannot be as represented, so how could he possibly be faking it".
Sure, my intellectual and experimental bias is obvious here. But my bias has certain bases in fact. I'm not going to abandon them for a different set that is based on innuendo, anecdote, fuzzy thinking and weird theories.
And I whole heartily agree, but we must not accept things at face value, trust is a good attribute, but I'm not going to continue this line of thinking.
The reason being, is that I too believe in a conspiracy without the facts to back it up, I believe there are people in the FE community that do not really believe in the conspiracies they perpetuate, they do it to sell, they do not even have to be tied directly to those selling dubious products, as proved by Mylow himself, people will still purchase products to a proven fake.
The FE community has all the con artist need in one place, and from the comfort of their computers.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 12:56:55 PM
...but just to humor you, I meant the quote to be in relation to "just because it's never been done before - doesn't mean it can't be"... but I do like how you twisted it to your own means :) .
I wonder how much it cost this replicator...... very nice job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkdgMQj0-4
Do you think Milow is laughing at us all..... calling us all suckers
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 23, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
Psyclone, I get what you're doing and I'm all for it.
I'm one of those, who, for various reasons,always KNEW that Mylow was faking it. Why? Suppose someone told you that he could go up a tall building, jump off, and land safely in front of you without spilling his decaf latte, in his shirtsleeves and civvies.
Yes, for that reason.Some things really are impossible, without hidden aids.
So when I started looking at Mylow's vids, my question wasn't "how am I going to build an exact duplicate of what I'm seeing, which appears to be a real running magnet motor" but rather " what I'm seeing cannot be as represented, so how could he possibly be faking it".
Sure, my intellectual and experimental bias is obvious here. But my bias has certain bases in fact. I'm not going to abandon them for a different set that is based on innuendo, anecdote, fuzzy thinking and weird theories.
Hey TK,
Understood. Each person will have thier own biases, based on belief systems, experiences, education and other things and your gut told you it just couldn't be true - I have no problem at all with that. Related to this subject, you're a "glass is half full" kinda guy and that's a healthy approach.
But if I can try to explain my (general) concern by way of an example (try not to read too much into it - I'm speaking in general terms here)...
Remember back very early on, you had already created your test-rig and started your quest to 'debunk' Mylow (presumably, from the outset, but possibly with
some bit of 'hope' that it could possibly be true or at least that you'd learn something new by playing with it).
One of the early demands/requests you made (based on your scientific method / process of proving / disproving the thing) was that anyone trying to reproduce the thing
needed to do the "weighted string test" (ie. use a weighted string to start the thing, as a means of a repeatable 'startup force'). The idea being that you could
measure *spin-down* times in various configurations (with and without rotor/stator mags) to see whether the mags helped at all - or ultimately hurt.
When I first saw this demand/request, my first thought was along the lines of "well, assuming this thing works as advertised, the above "string test" request is completely and uterly useless". In other words,
it assumes that there *will be* a spin-down - which shows your bias, but - more importantly (if you believe in this kind of thing) - it may also be setting up a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Of course now I'm babbling about metaphysics instead of scientific methods, so I'll just leave it at that (I'm guessing that you're not a big fan of "The Secret" kinda guy :) ) - I just use this as a (very) generalized example of how bias could potentially influence results.
[No offense intended in any of the above btw and ultimately, the string test/mechanism did prove usefull in providing reapeatable data for the acceleration analysis that was done - no doubt about that]
EDIT: while I'm at it, I'd also point out that because of you and others who either tried to make it work or debunk it (both usefull) - I was afforded the luxury of sitting on the sidelines in observer mode to watch the story unfold itself - so my thanks to you and the other replicators (!)
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
Hey TK,
Understood. Each person will have thier own biases, based on belief systems, experiences, education and other things and your gut told you it just couldn't be true - I have no problem at all with that. Related to this subject, you're a "glass is half full" kinda guy and that's a healthy approach.
But if I can try to explain my (general) concern by way of an example (try not to read too much into it - I'm speaking in general terms here)...
Remember back very early on, you had already created your test-rig and started your quest to 'debunk' Mylow (presumably, from the outset, but possibly with some bit of 'hope' that it could possibly be true or at least that you'd learn something new by playing with it).
One of the early demands/requests you made (based on your scientific method / process of proving / disproving the thing) was that anyone trying to reproduce the thing needed to do the "weighted string test" (ie. use a weighted string to start the thing, as a means of a repeatable 'startup force'). The idea being that you could measure *spin-down* times in various configurations (with and without rotor/stator mags) to see whether the mags helped at all - or ultimately hurt.
When I first saw this demand/request, my first thought was along the lines of "well, assuming this thing works as advertised, the above "string test" request is completely and uterly useless". In other words, it assumes that there *will be* a spin-down - which shows your bias, but - more importantly (if you believe in this kind of thing) - it may also be setting up a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Of course now I'm babbling about metaphysics instead of scientific methods, so I'll just leave it at that (I'm guessing that you're not a big fan of "The Secret" kinda guy :) ) - I just use this as a (very) generalized example of how bias could potentially influence results.
[No offense intended in any of the above btw and ultimately, the string test/mechanism did prove usefull in providing reapeatable data for the acceleration analysis that was done - no doubt about that]
EDIT: while I'm at it, I'd also point out that because of you and others who either tried to make it work or debunk it (both usefull) - I was afforded the luxury of sitting on the sidelines in observer mode to watch the story unfold itself - so my thanks to you and the other replicators (!)
Nope, the spin-down test does not assume that there will be a spin-down at all. The idea is to use the weight instead of Mr. Hand to bring the motor just over the potential hill to start the motor. That is, the Mr. Hand system brings the rotor magnets into proximity of the stator (storing energy) and then takes it just over the top...then releases it from that "just barely over the hilltop" position. I say that's unfair, and the weight/string method should be used, starting in the bottom of the valley, with just enough weight (if you are that picky) to get the thing just into the first gate and just barely over the first hill, just like Mr. Hand, only exactly repeatable and exactly adustable (add more or less solder, BBs, water, or whatever to your weight).
If it starts up and doesn't stop, that's totally fine with me, I don't care...as long as I can see the fishing line!!
So, no assumptions like you say in my method. Others certainly, but not the one of "must be a rundown."
The runup to a known RPM is even better, because on the RUNDOWN the machine passes through all possible gate entry speeds, thus cancelling the objections of starting too slow/too fast. IF there was some "Sweet speed" (tm) the motor would have passed through it on the rundown--or runup-- and "caught"--just like an ICE. As long as the initial runup is fast enough.
What's wrong with this scenario?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 23, 2009, 02:30:42 PM
...snip... What's wrong with this scenario?
Nothing in particular - in fact, quite usefull. Again, I was just trying to come up with some example and this may not have been the best to use, but...
Let's suppose we start with Mr. Hand, as you describe:
"...the Mr. Hand system brings the rotor magnets into proximity of the stator (storing energy) and then takes it just over the top...then releases it from that "just barely over the hilltop" position..."
...you say this is unfair (?), but let's even assume that some small amount of force (in the form of "pushing") is also imparted, either deliberately or not. Also, assume that you are the replicator/experimentor, drawing observations for your own purposes - not trying to prove anything to anyone, other than yourself.
So, the disc starts spinning... if it goes around more than once, then you start getting excited, but remember, we might have added some additional force with Mr. hand, so we're cautious to not draw any conclusions...
It spins around a second complete time... and then a third... and then a fourth... and then - "hey, this thing looks like it's speeding up!"...
... and then a 5th, 6th...
... 10 mins later and it's
noticably faster than the initial (few) cycles...
... 20 mins later and it seems to have peaked in speed at some point, but seems to now be running at a steady state...
... after 6 hours of running, it now seems to be slowing down...
... another hour or so and it's clearly grinding towards a halt...
... yep - it stopped.
So, obviously the thing did in fact "spin down" at some point, but clearly not as a result of any 'natural' / expected friction-like mechanism - more likely the magnets deguassed or (the earth spun around? or the moon set? someone turned off the big-ass cieling fan in the room?) or some other mechanism that needs to now be investigated.
In other words, whether Mr. Hand is 'fair' (repeatable, at any level of fine precision) or not, that doesn't mean that you can't produce usefull results with that method. If it accelerates - beyond the initial force imparted on it - over the course of many revolutions, then there must be some other force at work - in this particular case, it was a string :) - but remember, we're assuming it's you doing the testing and presumably you're not using a string, trying to fool yourself.
But anyway, getting back to the point I was trying to make... it is this:
If someone's sole purpose (bias) is to debunk/disprove it, then is it possible that someone less rigorous than you are with your testing might not test all possible configurations? That they might not try (very) hard to understand why one configuration might not work (or at least as well) as some other configuration? Is it possible that (perhaps even subconciously) they left out some crutial step?
...that's the only point I was trying to make - I just get carried away sometimes in my explanations :) .
...obviously the above scenerio is pure fantasy (at this point) - but since we have no idea how a magnet motor behaives, the above is just as valid as any other :).
I cannot believe I'm agreeing with you again.
Though if you do not mind me saying, we have over 300 years and millions(yes millions) of tried configurations, now I don't mind flogging a dead horse, I do it myself a lot, but where does the multiple configurations of magnets end and people move onto something else.
Yes, I'm impatient, but really 300 years is a long time, don't think I can last much longer!
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
...obviously the above scenerio is pure fantasy (at this point) - but since we have no idea how a magnet motor behaives, the above is just as valid as any other :).
What aroused my suspicion right from the beginning was the lack of realism in the motion. Having built magnetic gates I was aware of how they move. I never saw this in mylow’s vids.
But what is amazing is how much mylow learned throughout this episode! In the beginning he couldn’t spell or write an English sentence yet now he writes well and speaks well. Same with his camera work… in the beginning it was horrid, made me sea sick to watch for more than a minute. Then he graduated to tripods, good pans and zooms, amazing really, to see such growth in such a short time.
But for starting his motor he should have paid more attention to alsetalokin’s videos and the much more realistic way his motor was started, fooled me. But the two scumbags should start their own club and take each other to dinner… they would have much in common to talk about.
Ron
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 03:27:50 PM
I cannot believe I'm agreeing with you again.
Though if you do not mind me saying, we have over 300 years and millions(yes millions) of tried configurations, now I don't mind beating a dead horse, I do it myself a lot, but where does the multiple configurations of magnets end and people move onto something else.
Yes, I'm impatient, but really 300 years is a long time, don't think I can last much longer!
Hehe.. hey, you guys have been around and/or are far more familiar with the history of this topic than I am, so I'll take your word for a lot of this (on faith? Gaw! :) ).
I'm not even sure how I got interested to start with, except that I think I stumbled across one of the videos on YT and that piqued my interest. Before I spent any serious effort trying to replicate anything myself, I was just following the story and would have done much more research. At this point, I'm just here having a lively discussion - having more to do with the "way" this story (and subsequent backlash) unfolded than the story itself ;).
Hey a little faith does not hurt, take it on faith that it is not going to rain and head outside without your coat, just a little water.
I was just thinking, my 300 year post is innacurate, I cannot give years, but lets go back to the first time a lode stone was discovered, can you imagine how that would have inspired the imagination?, an invisible force apparently emanating out to grab any nearby ferrous metal, it must have been a wonderful discovery, kinda wish I was there myself or somewhere similar.
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
Hehe.. hey, you guys have been around and/or are far more familiar with the history of this topic than I am, so I'll take your word for a lot of this (on faith? Gaw! :) ).
Yep - I can imagine a great deal of wonderment surrounding a discovery like that (with no prior knowledge/exposure to such things). Heck, even if I stumble across one tomorrow out in the wild I'd be pretty psyced (are they only found in certain areas?)
Uncertain, but I think in areas of high volcanic activity, I believe magma generates magnetic fields that create the lode stones, I'm sure someone can correct me, not my area of expertise....oh wait, I don't have an area of expertise, darnit!
Quote from: Psyclone on May 23, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Yep - I can imagine a great deal of wonderment surrounding a discovery like that (with no prior knowledge/exposure to such things). Heck, even if I stumble across one tomorrow out in the wild I'd be pretty psyced (are they only found in certain areas?)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
...oh wait, I don't have an area of expertise, darnit!
I thought you were a professional curmudgeon?
Why thanks, I love you too!
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 23, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
I thought you were a professional curmudgeon?
Quote from: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
Why thanks, I love you too!
Just saying. Personally, I am a professional rapscallion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg
Video#6 @03:32
During motor operation,
suddenly the camera starts moving and shaking,
then we see the following images (video6200905232350.jpg) ...
Please look at the shadow on the white sheet of paper ...
LR
Hope you don't mind me sharing something completely off topic but I just had to, I have not viewed a television in a long time but found this while searching YouTube, I was totally moved by her voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY&feature=related
@runningbare,
Believe you me, I'm very sympathetic to you not having much time to watch TV, as of late.
But to deliberately derail the subject at hand to point out Susan Boyle singing at the Britains Got Talent 2009, is not only distracting but also very tasteless.
Some of us do mind...
@LightRider
Are you suggesting that Mylow used his hand to spin the disk? Very observant... Hawk Eye.
I had read that a few had found string evidence in vid#6. But after further investigating I'm not so sure because Mylow removes the stator arm and then replaces it back where he needs it. So I can't figure out how he would've been capable of running the string through the hole in the leg and then to slid it under and over to the shaft?
My intellect is nowhere near many of the posters here. But, naturally when I hear someone say that the scientific process was followed and 100%, in the same sentence. I instinctively take their word for it.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 12:32:26 PM
I don't think you realize that nearly everyone here has been on both sides of the fence regarding Mylow. Aquar1uZ is one major exception, he refuses to accept reality. I know for a fact that there is fishing line in the first video, because I bothered to watch the hi res of later videos and compared them to normal versions. The scientific process was followed, and the answer is, it's a 100% fake from start to finish.
Like I said, my intellect is not on par with many of the members here. I'm just a big stupid drywaller. But, this big stupid drywaller wants to get to the bottom of this whole mess, with the least amount of misinformation, derailments and nonsense...is all...Ain't we all striving for the same thing???
Peace
The Nephew
Too bad, that's your problem, and time is not the issue, I just find television overall to be boring, there was not enough to warrant the license requirement so I took it to the trash.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 08:06:41 AM
@runningbare,
Believe you me, I'm very sympathetic to you not having much time to watch TV, as of late.
But to deliberately derail the subject at hand to point out Susan Boyle singing at the Britains Got Talent 2009, is not only distracting but also very tasteless.
Some of us do mind...
The Nephew
I apologize for misunderstanding your television viewing situation.
None the less, you are in the HJ replication tube claim thread. So, not only is it my problem having to decipher through all the cluster fuck, but everybody reading this threads problem also. It's a real pain...Please don't do it...
And I am sure they find your profanity scientifically helpful also, yes I can see that.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 08:24:26 AM
I apologize for misunderstanding your television viewing situation.
None the less, you are in the HJ replication tube claim thread. So, not only is it my problem having to decipher through all the cluster fuck, but everybody reading this threads problem also. It's a real pain...Please don't do it...
Like I said, my intellect is way below par to yours. I'm a big stupid drywaller, who speaks like a drywaller. It may not be the scientific way, but it had a point...Your derailments don't...
Oh I think mine had a very good point, "never judge a book by it's cover"; And Mylow was proof that people do this all to often.
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 08:33:19 AM
Like I said, my intellect is way below par to yours. I'm a big stupid drywaller, who speaks like a drywaller. It may not be the scientific way, but it had a point...Your derailments don't...
All
Do you think in magnets, the available power is the strength of the very first attraction and repulsion on the wheel?
Or as in Ricks design [which seems like it will always accelerate ] will its power be limited to this first pull and repulsion ?
Or are we looking at a magnetic turbine using the fields as fuel ?[which might have more potential energy than the first pull/repel]
Chet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2W2Si9d3c
Quote from: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 08:27:36 AM
And I am sure they find your profanity scientifically helpful also, yes I can see that.
He raised a valid point. You are the one still polluting the list.
Look in a mirror, and quit assuming superiority status.
Ron
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 08:24:26 AM
I apologize for misunderstanding your television viewing situation.
None the less, you are in the HJ replication tube claim thread. So, not only is it my problem having to decipher through all the cluster fuck, but everybody reading this threads problem also. It's a real pain...Please don't do it...
Every failed attempt at building a magnet motor is a replication of HJ. The only thing of value on these threads is the entertainment. All other information is useless.
Quote from: waynegage on May 24, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Every failed attempt at building a magnet motor is a replication of HJ. The only thing of value on these threads is the entertainment. All other information is useless.
Yes, this forum is fairly useless but it is mostly because it is infested with Shills. The vast majority of attempted magnet motors are not based on Howard Johnson's work except to the point of maybe merely having some outward appearing similarities..
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 11:05:23 AM
Yes, this forum is fairly useless but it is mostly because it is infested with Shills. The vast majority of attempted magnet motors are not based on Howard Johnson's work except to the point of maybe merely having some outward appearing similarities..
Al, I've seen video on youtube of 'Bedini's Gate.' (nonworking)
It essentially looks like HJ's square gate, partial shading of poles using circular magnets, and a gap to allow the stator arm to pass through. I'm assuming the gap alters the shaded gate effect, because HJ demonstrated it as being functional, yet the Bedini Gate does not work.
Care to comment?
D.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 11:05:23 AM
Yes, this forum is fairly useless but it is mostly because it is infested with Shills. The vast majority of attempted magnet motors are not based on Howard Johnson's work except to the point of maybe merely having some outward appearing similarities..
Howard Johnson never had a working motor. That is why I said all failed attempts are replicating HJ.
"Wanegage", thank you for your OPINION on HJ's technology, again... ;)
Do you have ANYTHING to back these statements?
Or are we just supposed to believe you, lol....?
"Do you have ANYTHING to back these statements?"
screaming a single word "SCIENCE"
It backs him up very nicely.
Got any proof other wise??
Were can you show me a working permanent magnet motor?? Hell if you can show such there are some really high offers of MONEY to view and prove such.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 24, 2009, 11:39:06 AM
"Wanegage", thank you for your OPINION on HJ's technology, again... ;)
Do you have ANYTHING to back these statements?
Or are we just supposed to believe you, lol....?
The onus is not me.
It is on the "claimant".
People around here talk loudly about "science" like they '"own" it, or as if they are following Scientific Method themselves...
Making claims with nothing but OPINIONS to back them certainly is not... No matter how strongly held they may be... Or how important the "Message" behind them may be to disseminate ;)
My point is that the lesson of this disgusting episode should not be: "OK we were right" (..not "all along" in many cases, though lol), "So we get to define everything from now on!"
It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, ultimately what HAS been learned here....?
Quote from: jibbguy on May 24, 2009, 12:29:01 PM
The onus is not me.
It is on the "claimant".
People around here talk loudly about "science" like they '"own" it, or as if they are following Scientific Method themselves...
Making claims with nothing but OPINIONS to back them certainly is not... No matter how strongly held they may be... Or how important the "Message" behind them may be to disseminate ;)
My point is that the lesson of this disgusting episode should not be: "OK we were right" (..not "all along" in many cases, though lol), "So we get to define everything from now on!"
It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, ultimately what HAS been learned here....?
Proof for a negative claim is not possible. The only one who can prove an assertion is the person claiming that Howard Johnson has a magnet motor. Since no proof has ever come forward to support that claim the only logical position is that Johnson does not have a magnet motor. I do not have to prove my assertion but my assertion is falsifiable. Show me the motor.
It would be my guess that you believed Mylow without proof. That seems to be the way of those lacking logic.
"It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, ultimately what HAS been learned here....?"
ROTFLMAO simple what was learned here is this "DONT DRINK THE KOOL AID!!!!"
Quote from: jibbguy on May 24, 2009, 12:29:01 PM
The onus is not me.
It is on the "claimant".
People around here talk loudly about "science" like they '"own" it, or as if they are following Scientific Method themselves...
Making claims with nothing but OPINIONS to back them certainly is not... No matter how strongly held they may be... Or how important the "Message" behind them may be to disseminate ;)
My point is that the lesson of this disgusting episode should not be: "OK we were right" (..not "all along" in many cases, though lol), "So we get to define everything from now on!"
It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, ultimately what HAS been learned here....?
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 11:13:14 AM
Al, I've seen video on youtube of 'Bedini's Gate.' (nonworking)
It essentially looks like HJ's square gate, partial shading of poles using circular magnets, and a gap to allow the stator arm to pass through. I'm assuming the gap alters the shaded gate effect, because HJ demonstrated it as being functional, yet the Bedini Gate does not work.
Care to comment?
D.
The gap definitely alters the gate effect. Any dimensional/angular relationship has a definitive effect on these devices. Yes I would certainly like to comment. For the purpose of trying to maintain utmost accuracy with communications can you please provide us with the specific link(s) ot the said video. Though I think that Bedini is a fine technologist he may should be called 'Hubedini' with the way that he uses disinformation.
Quote from: waynegage on May 24, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
Howard Johnson never had a working motor. That is why I said all failed attempts are replicating HJ.
Wayne, how could you possibly have such knowledge?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
The gap definitely alters the gate effect. Any dimensional/angular relationship has a definitive effect on these devices. Yes I would certainly like to comment. For the purpose of trying to maintain utmost accuracy with communications can you please provide us with the specific link(s) ot the said video. Though I think that Bedini is a fine technologist he may should be called 'Hubedini' with the way that he uses disinformation.
Sorry, I figured youd just search "Bedini's Gate' on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nchubCR3tIk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OCMFNRxQp4
#2 is listed as Bedini's Gates, although it doesn't appear that they have shaded any poles.
This was actually covered on overunity.com a while back, I hadn't noticed.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4527.0
D.
Lostcausesx10,
I agree...
"Don't drink the kool-aid" no matter what "Flavor" is being offered... Especially the more vigorously it is being sold to us ;)
___________________________
@ Wanegage,
Thanks for verifying my conclusion that you have nothing what so ever to back your opinions on Howard Johnson's technology on.
Lol how did i know the subject would be changed to "me" ? ;)
wise and proper thinking. LOL
Quote from: jibbguy on May 24, 2009, 01:16:05 PM
Lostcausesx10,
I agree...
"Don't drink the kool-aid" no matter what "Flavor" is being offered... Especially the more vigorously it is being sold to us ;)
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 08:06:41 AM
(snip)
I had read that a few had found string evidence in vid#6. But after further investigating I'm not so sure because Mylow removes the stator arm and then replaces it back where he needs it. So I can't figure out how he would've been capable of running the string through the hole in the leg and then to slid it under and over to the shaft?
nonsense...is all...Ain't we all striving for the same thing???
(snip)
Peace
The Nephew
(insert whistling smiley here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsdbZwp-k4
Quote from: waynegage on May 24, 2009, 01:00:31 PM
Proof for a negative claim is not possible. The only one who can prove an assertion is the person claiming that Howard Johnson has a magnet motor. Since no proof has ever come forward to support that claim the only logical position is that Johnson does not have a magnet motor. I do not have to prove my assertion but my assertion is falsifiable. Show me the motor.
It would be my guess that you believed Mylow without proof. That seems to be the way of those lacking logic.
What a fun thing to do on a Sunday afternoon. Logic has it's applications but sometimes little relevance. Here's my supporting logic and suppot that your assertion MAY be correct: Howard Johnson does and did not have a magnet motor simply because you did not see it. However. if you ever paid attention to any of his videos your position might change. Also your assertion MAY be correct (that he 'does not have' a magnet motor) and this could be correct because he is unfortunately deceased. But you are totally unqualified, except by the previously described logic, to propose that he 'did' not ever have a working magnet motor. Your process of logic has some seriously boxed holes in it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 24, 2009, 01:18:12 PM
(insert whistling smiley here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsdbZwp-k4
Have you tried wrapping the line around a bird? ;D
Quote from: jibbguy on May 24, 2009, 01:16:05 PM
Lostcausesx10,
__________________________
@ Wanegage,
Thanks for verifying my conclusion that you have nothing what so ever to back your opinions on Howard Johnson's technology on.
Lol how did i know the subject would be changed to "me" ? ;)
I am not surprised that you missed the only logical conclusion. You lack critical thinking skills. There is no Howard Johnson motor because there is no Howard Johnson motor. (working motor)
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 01:18:15 PM
What a fun thing to do on a Sunday afternoon. Logic has it's applications but sometimes little relevance. Here's my supporting logic and suppot that your assertion MAY be correct: Howard Johnson does and did not have a magnet motor simply because you did not see it. However. if you ever paid attention to any of his videos your position might change. Also your assertion MAY be correct (that he 'does not have' a magnet motor) and this could be correct because he is unfortunately deceased. But you are totally unqualified, except by the previously described logic, to propose that he 'did' not ever have a working magnet motor. Your process of logic has some seriously boxed holes in it.
I have a friend who claims to drive his chevy home to the moon each night. By your reasoning that there is no proof that he doesn't, he may be right.
You need to sharpen your reasoning skills.
Power to the birds, man...
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Have you tried wrapping the line around a bird? ;D
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Have you tried wrapping the line around a bird? ;D
Just for you.
;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyAPyS1MbdQ
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 24, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
Just for you.
;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyAPyS1MbdQ
LOL
@ Wagegage,
Ahh, again we are just "ordered" to believe you on that subject ;)
I am curious: Following that logic, would you also state that: "There is no 'Aurora Space Plane' ", because no one has admitted to ever seeing it?
You see, most people who follow military aeronautics would say there probably is an "Aurora" vehicle of some type... At least they won't flat deny it as "impossible". Yet there is very little to back this except maybe some dribbles of "insider knowledge". Where is the Patent for it? Where are the eyewitnesses who publicly admit to seeing it? Where are the surviving prototypes? Where is the Congressional funding for it?
Of course since if it exists at all, then it must be a "top secret project", then these things by inference can't be seen yet; until the information is released.
Whether this example translates exactly or not to the ultimate existence of a PMM is not the point: But that to deny existence of something, with zero proof to back it, verses some proofs existing on the other side, is meaningless talk that should be viewed only as someone's opinion... Freely given; and valued the same ;)
You are certainly entitled to it, imo.... Although repeating it at least 4 times here is a little much (counting the last); and thus earned you the comment in the first place, when usually we just ignore these meaningless proclamations based only on personal opinion.
Quote from: waynegage on May 24, 2009, 01:28:12 PM
I have a friend who claims to drive his chevy home to the moon each night. By your reasoning that there is no proof that he doesn't, he may be right.
You need to sharpen your reasoning skills.
Yes, my reasoning skills will always need sharpening because I know that I will never be all-knowing like you. My brother has to deal with people like you all day long whenever he makes trips to Siemens. He says it's a whole different world, full of superiority bugs climbing over each other to get the ultimate pedestal of knowledge.
There is one thing that I am certain of. You will never be allowed to be in the unique position of knowing and having witnessed things in regard to Howard Johnson. This technology is reserved only for a few and I suppose that I could be considered a member of what someday might be referred to as the magnetatti :) Ha, sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. But I am not here to convince you of anything or prove anything to you or anyone else. I am only here to torment
YOU and others like
YOU because I know that someday very soon, you will put your tail between your legs and slither back into your cave, never to be heard from again.
"I am only here to torment you."
Hmmm I am not sure what to think of such motives.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 01:59:56 PM
Yes, my reasoning skills will always need sharpening because I know that I will never be all-knowing like you. My brother has to deal with people like you all day long whenever he makes trips to Siemens. He says it's a whole different world, full of superiority bugs climbing over each other to get the ultimate pedestal of knowledge.
There is one thing that I am certain of. You will never be allowed to be in the unique position of knowing and having witnessed things in regard to Howard Johnson. This technology is reserved only for a few and I suppose that I could be considered a member of what someday might be referred to as the magnetatti :) Ha, sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. But I am not here to convince you of anything or prove anything to you or anyone else. I am only here to torment YOU and others like YOU because I know that someday very soon, you will put your tail between your legs and slither back into your cave, never to be heard from again.
The plans for the Howard Johnson motor, in all their detailed glory, are freely available online from any number of sources, including the U.S. Patent Office. The patents are expired, so anyone is free to build a motor based on the plans. Yet no one has been able to make it work. What does that logically tell you?
Quote from: utilitarian on May 24, 2009, 02:21:59 PM
The plans for the Howard Johnson motor, in all their detailed glory, are freely available online from any number of sources, including the U.S. Patent Office. The patents are expired, so anyone is free to build a motor based on the plans. Yet no one has been able to make it work. What does that logically tell you?
It tells me that there are may be some people out there that are naive about what has to be divulged in a patent claim. It also tells me that there are people out there who disseminate plans that are NOT of how to build a Howard Johnson design. I have seen many but I grant you, maybe not ALL. Most people just draw up some plans and tag his name to them in order to prostitute their wares better and to make money. There is only one person on this entire planet that has his working plans as far as I know. It's a real hot potatoe. GE doesn't even have them though they are trying to make certain people think they do. They make more money keeping it quiet than if they were to set up and produce it. It is truly one of their better scams..... to extort money out of the fossil fuels industry with an unprotectable motor design which they acquired by agreeing to and contributing less than fifteen million dollars to charities of Howard's choice.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 01:59:56 PM
There is one thing that I am certain of. You will never be allowed to be in the unique position of knowing and having witnessed things in regard to Howard Johnson. This technology is reserved only for a few and I suppose that I could be considered a member of what someday might be referred to as the magnetatti :) Ha, sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. But I am not here to convince you of anything or prove anything to you or anyone else. I am only here to torment YOU and others like YOU because I know that someday very soon, you will put your tail between your legs and slither back into your cave, never to be heard from again.
Guys,
Pay no attention to this character. John Bedini, Tony Craddock, and Tom Bearden are in position of Howard stuffs. These crooks are currently advertising the release of a new video on the real Howard Johnson. This character won't be part of that DVD. He doesn't and probably never had access to Howard stuffs. He is a liar.
His predictions will suffer the same fate as his Shylow/Mylow prophecy. They will turn out to be false and misleading. It is time that this fake realize that science is not voodoo.
Miki Out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 24, 2009, 02:45:04 PM
Guys,
Pay no attention to this character. John Bedini, Tony Craddock, and Tom Bearden are in position of Howard stuffs. These crooks are currently advertising the release of a new video on the real Howard Johnson. This character won't be part of that DVD. He doesn't and probably never had access to Howard stuffs. He is a liar.
His predictions will suffer the same fate as his Shylow/Mylow prophecy. They will turn out to be false and misleading. It is time that this fake realize that science is not voodoo.
Miki Out.
We'll see, Oh Great Miki - But those forementioned people only have a small portion of Howard's information. Mylow didn't have it and to date it is apparent that none of the others do either. And NO, I won't be in their DVD. For one thing, I would never let myself be seen with the likes of them because yes, I agree with you on one thing: I think they are all for the most part 'crooks' I've felt this way about Bedini since 1977 and I'm not too happy with Bearden either. I do not know Craddock, so I will leave him out of this :)
@ Utilitarian
That's a great question (about the Patents).
Another i like is this: Is the electronic version of the "Spintronics" book by H.J. the same as the First Edition in actual print? I dunno, just asking. We would need someone with the original paper edition from the 1980's to check this out to know for sure i guess.
Another good question would be, what ever happened to the technology for "3-D magnetic field mapping"? Dr. Gerhard Beher's project (reported to have been through Virgina Tech's Dept. of Chemical Engineering), from the mid 1980's, would appear to be the last time these techniques were seen in an academic setting from what my research has found so far, although i would be grateful to hear of any other similar projects anyone knows of.
The interesting part about this is, such mapping in 3-D of magnetic fields and interactions would appear to have benefits for the conventional magnetics and motor industries; besides the obvious uses of possibly designing a high-torque "PMM" from the info gained.
Those guys used a converted analog X-Y pen plotter to scan a sensor reading Gauss and Polarity every couple of cubic millimeters around the magnets they studied. It was not "rocket science" lol in that people in the Open Source movement could reproduce that technology today for under $1,500 and probably about 30 hours of labor; if we wanted to. Considering the possible benefits to gain, you would think that someone would have done so by now.
Although a few "hits" on the web point to magnetics engineering companies that claim to have 3-D Mapping", no details are given on the technology used; so we don't know if it is similar to that developed by Steven P. Davis and the Beher team... Or if it mainly extrapolated 2-D "iron filings" info as we have often seen... Which according to Mr. Johnson, can only show how "tiny magnets" interact with the fields, not the characteristics of the actual fields themselves (a subtle point, but one that could have significance in certain cases, especially at the point of intersection between two fields).
When the implications are considered, such a measurement system ultimately COULD have more importance than a small running "demo" all-magnet motor would.... No way to know unless tried i guess.
More to the point, how come most of you KNOW Howard Johnson had a working motor?, where is your proof of this, where is the working device?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 01:09:09 PM
Wayne, how could you possibly have such knowledge?
HJ stuff looks good on paper, but... but nothing working. I would like to see a serious replication done. But then agian if the replication did not work people would think it failed because of the replicator. So in the end orginal ideas are needed for this to work.
I think there is now way the MIB could hold a real working motor back if the replicator shared a working device threw internet channels.
@ Deseret,
It is a good question, too imo. We need to have significant and properly funded academic study done on these principals and devices. Just like with energy-efficient on-demand Hydroxy production using pulsed, "resonant" HV techniques, and other technologies; it is rather "perplexing" why this isn't being done. If corporations are sitting on them, it's time to get off the pot and send them to a University... They don't have the right to deprive Humanity of such information.
And in the end, that is all i and many others would ask: LET'S PUT THESE QUESTIONS TO BED! ... By having the University studies done on them to either sustain or debunk the claims. If done in an open and honest academic atmosphere, we can all agree to accept the results; whether they sustain our "beliefs" or not.
Quote from: deseret on May 24, 2009, 04:02:42 PM
HJ stuff looks good on paper, but... but nothing working. I would like to see a serious replication done. But then agian if the replication did not work people would think it failed because of the replicator. So in the end orginal ideas are needed for this to work.
I think there is now way the MIB could hold a real working motor back if the replicator shared a working device threw internet channels.
Some think that they so called MIB elements actually want this technology to evolve into actual use. Some think otherwise. Either theory is plausible at this point. But you can probably bet on one thing.... there are those who would definitely like to control it. There is already control being exercised on at least one critical component of such motors and that't the actual magnets and their raw materials.
Anyone know which motor she is looking for ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Tya34RaMg
cat
Quote from: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 03:49:21 PM
More to the point, how come most of you KNOW Howard Johnson had a working motor?, where is your proof of this, where is the working device?
What would constitute 'proof'? and you can be sure we will not be telling but a select few where it is when we do find it. There were three motors in the end. Two were stolen. One was a linear reciprocating version and the other rotary. The rotary version that was stolen was a red herring. There is yet one left as far as we know. We are trying to find it.
i LOVE THIS GUYS YOUTUBE channel :o
http://www.youtube.com/magnetman1000
Quote from: powercat on May 24, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
Anyone know which motor she is looking for ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Tya34RaMg
cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg
At the very least he could have found someway to reduce the sound of the switch click, still a good toy using toys.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 04:54:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg
Quote from: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
At the very least he could have found someway to reduce the sound of the switch click, still a good toy using toys.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/
Poor Sterling
OK. Sterling somebody reports to you the claim of second replication following the foot step of Mylow, the logical thing to do is to give him the middle finger straight up. If you really considering that report seriously, all the hopes I still had for your salvation are lost.
Miki Out.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 08:54:45 PM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/)
Poor Sterling
I like how Sterling asks this person if it is ok to publish his e-mail and then, with no posted reply in between, he does it anyway. Why bother to ask then?
Bill ***EDIT*** And then, in a message above that one, he is upset because someone posted Mylow's phone conversation with Sterling which Mylow thought was private. Well, the only way that could happen is if Sterling leaked to some folks, which he says he did. So, Sterling leaks it and it's ok but others do it and it is not ok? I can't keep up with this.
He does keep digging that hole, at this rate he will discover geothermal energy.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 24, 2009, 09:31:26 PM
I like how Sterling asks this person if it is ok to publish his e-mail and then, with no posted reply in between, he does it anyway. Why bother to ask then?
Bill ***EDIT*** And then, in a message above that one, he is upset because someone posted Mylow's phone conversation with Sterling which Mylow thought was private. Well, the only way that could happen is if Sterling leaked to some folks, which he says he did. So, Sterling leaks it and it's ok but others do it and it is not ok? I can't keep up with this.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
He does keep digging that hole, at this rate he will discover geothermal energy.
LOL
Quote from: miki02131 on May 24, 2009, 09:18:17 PM
OK. Sterling somebody reports to you the claim of second replication following the foot step of Mylow, the logical thing to do is to give him the middle finger straight up. If you really considering that report seriously, all the hopes I still had for your salvation are lost.
Miki Out.
I have some books on grammar that you might find useful
You might want to try adding books on "critical thinking" to your collection.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 09:51:40 PM
I have some books on grammar that you might find useful
Quote from: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
You might want to try adding books on "critical thinking" to your collection.
Runningbare, you are out way of your league here. You are so out of touch with what is really going on with this Mylow subject. You have not the slightest idea.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 10:05:15 PM
Runningbare, you are out way of your league here. You are so out of touch with what is really going on with this Mylow subject. You have not the slightest idea.
Please illuminate us.
Quote from: Bobbotov on May 24, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
Please illuminate us.
Give it a few days to finish up. When I am sure that Sterling is sunk I will convey the entire indelible story.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 10:18:57 PM
Give it a few days to finish up. When I am sure that Sterling is sunk I will convey the entire indelible story.
Can't wait, finaly...
Looking forward to it Al. ;)
Quote from: The Nephew on May 24, 2009, 10:50:23 PM
Looking forward to it Al. ;)
Be careful with this guy. He is as much a fake as his mentor. He can not show you an all permanent magnet motor as there has never been and there will never be such thing. He is writing a fairy tale about the life and work of HJ, the king of crackpottism. The Bedini crew has all Howard Stuff. Al has nothing but wishful memories.
He is here only to promote his upcoming book. Place your hands on your back pocket, run, and run fast. Don't look back.
Al, we know what you're up to. You will not get a penny from people on this forum. Your book will be as much a fiasco as your Shylow/Mylow prophecy.
Miki Out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 25, 2009, 01:35:27 AM
Be careful with this guy. He is as much a fake as his mentor. He can not show you an all permanent magnet motor as there has never been and there will never be such thing. He is writing a fairy tale about the life and work of HJ, the king of crackpottism. The Bedini crew has all Howard Stuff. Al has nothing but wishful memories.
He is here only to promote his upcoming book. Place your hands on your back pocket, run, and run fast. Don't look back.
Al, we know what you're up to. You will not get a penny from people on this forum. Your book will be as much a fiasco as your Shylow/Mylow prophecy.
Miki Out.
Nothing you say is backed up with any more credibility than what you accuse Al of doing. Is it?
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 24, 2009, 09:51:40 PM
I have some books on grammar that you might find useful
Don't worry about my English. It's much better than yours by a few graduate degrees. Anyway, thanks for the offer. Unfortunately, I don't accept gift from crackpots let alone an HJ (technically a rob*er) servant.
Please, don't try to offer or sell us your fairy tale on HJ and his work. We need a break. You gave us the Shylow/Mylow prophecy. Now you're trying to sell us a woowoo book. We'll appreciate it if you keep and take your ideas to the grave with you.
Miki out.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 01:55:37 AM
Nothing you say is backed up with any more credibility than what you accuse Al of doing. Is it?
Maybe you should ask Al if he is really working on a book about HJ. A positive answer means I am credible and negative answer proves he is liar. I will show you where he talks about his upcoming book with his own mouth.
Miki out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 25, 2009, 02:04:27 AM
Maybe you should ask Al if he is really working on a book about HJ. A positive answer means I am credible and negative answer proves he is liar. I will show you where he talks about his upcoming book with his own mouth.
Miki out.
Who cares if he's working on a book? Does that make everything he says a lie? I don't think so.
Then, when he gives out the secret of Howard Johnson motor in his book, buy it and build yourself a working replica. I don't care either, it's your money. You're free to use it as you wish.
Good luck,
Miki Out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 25, 2009, 02:36:01 AM
Then, when he gives out the secret of Howard Johnson motor in his book, buy it an build yourself a working replica. I don't care either, it's your money. You're free to use it as you wish.
Good luck,
Miki Out.
No one expects anyone to publish world changing secrets in a book. Give me a better reason to dismiss offhand everything Al says.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 08:54:45 PM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/
Poor Sterling
Apparently the standards of replication are slipping somewhat. But at least I note that these are called the "second" replications--de facto acknowledging that mine was the first.
I want my prize.
From Sterling re the "replication" mentioned in the above link:
"Bcc: Mylow & PMMTester
I was able to talk on the phone to this person below just now, who said
earlier today: "I have successfully replicated a working Mylow Motor!"
It turns out that he's about a 30-40 minutes drive from where I live.
He appears to have gotten prematurely excited, having noted rotation by
placing magnets on a plate and setting it in water in the sink (in place of
the rotor & bearing assembly).
However, he hasn't yet gotten full rotation nor acceleration behind one
rotation using magnets alone.
He thinks he might be there within a few days.
I saw partial rotation many times on the system I was playing with (Bob's,
before it was shipped off to Mylow). Many others have seen that as well.
Many of the magnet motor attempts can get that far. But it's the cog found
in the 360 system that present the challenge.
So as of yet remain with no confirmed replications of the magnet-only motor
as set forth by Mylow.
Sterling"
I remind all that Mylow never "set forth" a magnet-only motor that worked, and that I showed just what Mylow did in fact "set forth" in my replication videos.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
No one expects anyone to publish world changing secrets in a book. Give me a better reason to dismiss offhand everything Al says.
Because he has provided not a single thread of independent corroboration for anything that he has said, not even a bus transfer.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 25, 2009, 01:56:08 AM
Don't worry about my English. It's much better than yours by a few graduate degrees. Anyway, thanks for the offer. Unfortunately, I don't accept gift from crackpots let alone an HJ (technically a rob*er) servant.
Please, don't try to offer or sell us your fairy tale on HJ and his work. We need a break. You gave us the Shylow/Mylow prophecy. Now you're trying to sell us a woowoo book. We'll appreciate it if you keep and take your ideas to the grave with you.
Miki out.
Mikki, or should I say 'Sterling' you have this all wrong:) But that's ok. I AM writing a book but I do not intend to make one thin dime on it. I've a few hundred thousand dollars saved up and I plan to provide this book for absolutely free. I will even be covering the shipping.
Alfparts
Why spend a dime ?just time [A web book ]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on May 25, 2009, 09:22:35 AM
Alfparts
Why spend a dime ?just time [A web book ]
Chet
Ha, good point but by the time I finish it the web may no longer exist:)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 25, 2009, 04:36:39 AM
Because he has provided not a single thread of independent corroboration for anything that he has said, not even a bus transfer.
Tensel, how might I supply corroboration as you call it? Also, why would I need a bus transfer:) After all, I live right up the street. I can walk there in about eight minutes.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 25, 2009, 02:36:01 AM
Then, when he gives out the secret of Howard Johnson motor in his book, buy it and build yourself a working replica. I don't care either, it's your money. You're free to use it as you wish.
Good luck,
Miki Out.
Um, give out the secrets of Howard Johnsons motor in the book? I'd just be writing old news at that point. The secrets are already out there, except for maybe one. Problem is, due to pride and prejudice, there is little cohesion among inventors and developers. The book is not about his technical secrets in regard to the motor. It's about all the other 'secrets', how he found them, and how he developed them for use in everyday life. This is just one of the angles of the book and the motor story is among many chapters. By the time this books appears there will be others as well and the motors will already be turning.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 01:55:37 AM
Nothing you say is backed up with any more credibility than what you accuse Al of doing. Is it?
The pack has spoken! Everyone bow down please.Only statements approved by the pack will be allowed.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on May 25, 2009, 10:45:31 AM
The pack has spoken! Everyone bow down please.
Only statements approved by the pack will be allowed.
Ron
Considering the pack had only one member, your comment is quite silly.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 11:28:29 AM
Considering the pack had only one member, your comment is quite silly.
My cat killed a few of the pack just this morning. i ron better watch out:)
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 11:28:29 AM
Considering the pack had only one member, your comment is quite silly.
Nah, the three of you are lock step... class bully sort of thing,
dominate and control.
Ron
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 25, 2009, 11:45:44 AM
My cat killed a few of the pack just this morning. i ron better watch out:)
LOL, yep this list needs a good ratter, can she type?
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on May 25, 2009, 12:11:06 PM
Nah, the three of you are lock step... class bully sort of thing,
dominate and control.
Ron
Not at all. You have nothing to back up your accusations about Al, it ain't my fault.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
Not at all. You have nothing to back up your accusations about Al, it ain't my fault.
Miki made a statement and you jumped on him inappropriately in my view. I said nothing about Al so why would I need to have something to back up a non accusation?
Miki's remark was conjecture...
"In scientific philosophy, Karl Popper pioneered the use of the term "conjecture" to indicate a proposition which is presumed to be real, true, or genuine, mostly based on inconclusive grounds,"
Therefore your hostile remark was ill considered. The statement required you to look at Miki's evidence and judge for yourself whether you would have come to the same conclusion based on that evidence. If you had evidence to the contrary, that evidence should have been presented.
But to an outside observer, your reply was so typical as to be indistinguishable from several other of the dominant members, hence the pack comment.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on May 25, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
Miki made a statement and you jumped on him inappropriately in my view. I said nothing about Al so why would I need to have something to back up a non accusation?
Miki's remark was conjecture...
"In scientific philosophy, Karl Popper pioneered the use of the term "conjecture" to indicate a proposition which is presumed to be real, true, or genuine, mostly based on inconclusive grounds,"
Therefore your hostile remark was ill considered. The statement required you to look at Miki's evidence and judge for yourself whether you would have come to the same conclusion based on that evidence. If you had evidence to the contrary, that evidence should have been presented.
But to an outside observer, your reply was so typical as to be indistinguishable from several other of the dominant members, hence the pack comment.
Ron
Miki's statement is that Al is full of crap and only out to sell a book. I disagreed, perhaps you misunderstood.
Al has said a number of interesting things, Miki hasnt offered any reason as to why he should be dismissed.
Quote from: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
Miki's statement is that Al is full of crap and only out to sell a book. I disagreed, perhaps you misunderstood.
Al has said a number of interesting things, Miki hasnt offered any reason as to why he should be dismissed.
What would, in your eyes, constitute evidence or reason? Howard Johnson, himself, is a crackpot or an undereducated liar for promoting the possibility of passive permanent magnet motors. The nature of magnetism, as a conservative force, doesn't allow for such things. Take the net work done by any conservative force around any closed path, you will realize pretty soon that you get ZERO out of it. Check any elementary physics book. Howard himself knows this. His way around this limit is to invent a crackpot theory called spintronics that would allow for passive magnet motor configurations.
Al, himself, doesn't show up on the scene out of the blue. His mission, by his own admission, is to support the "ONE" as prophesied and ordered by Howard Johnson. If this, Shylow prophecy, is not evidence enough to support the fact you're dealing with a crazy crackpot, then what else would constitute evidence to you? Al jumped in, exactly to support Shylow/Mylow, the chosen one. This is even more proof that this guy is not about true science, he is all about faith in Howard Johnson words.
Here is why I refuse to answer your question at first. Mylow admits he is a fake yet some people still believe that Mylow is real beyond doubt. Tell me, what kind of reasoning can convince people like that?
Look, I do tend to believe an OU device is possible. But it's not an all PMM. The evidence for the impossibility of an all PMM has been in existence for the longest time. It is impossible to build a perpetual motion machine using Spring Force as it is impossible to build motor using permanent magnets alone. If somebody tells you otherwise, ask them to let you verify the PMM. If you really want to know what Howard Johnson was doing, check the upcoming Bedini Videos. This mafia has all HJ stuffs and they are all pure BS.
In conclusion: There has never been such thing as a passive PMM, therefore HJ is a liar. If HJ is a fake so is Al.
Miki Out.
@miki02131
Man what piece of crackerjack did you bite into.
First of all cut it out with the insults especially to someone that cannot answer back or is this the only way you can find to express your qualms. Are we to supposedly expect a grand realization of what you just spewed so freely.
Actually all of you are on the wrong forum.
Here are some that might be good for you guys.
OUfakes.com, OUimpossible.com, OUdrama.com, OUbashing.com, OUinquirer.com, OUpcheroes.com. I have much more but it is certainly not overunity.com.
I would like to know in all your posts, in the last month or so, how many are actually involved with showing, explaining, introducing and/or purporting anything mildly plausible for the OU community. Hmmmmmm. No hands. That should be grounds enough to get you guys listed in another forum were you would be free to tear each other apart, day after day, week after week.
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. YOU GUYS ARE TEARING APART THIS FORUM ON THREAD AFTER THE OTHER AND IT HAS TO STOP.
JUST SICK.
THE SIGN ON THE ENTRANCE DOOR TO THIS FORUM SHOULD READ "YES, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS IMPOSSIBLE, SO SHUT UP AND GET TO WORK".
How can something that is supposedly being suppressed be impossible, the very word "impossible" means not workable, not going to happen, you will never ever walk through a locked solid steel door unless you happen to be Chris Angel, Harry Houdini or any number of other illusionist.
Quote from: wattsup on May 25, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
THE SIGN ON THE ENTRANCE DOOR TO THIS FORUM SHOULD READ "YES, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS IMPOSSIBLE, SO SHUT UP AND GET TO WORK".
wattsup if you want a form for "IT ALL GREAT, REAL, AND WILL WORK" , you are deluding yourself.
So every one on a form you would like, would never descent and say HEY wait A SEC, it is all wrong, wont work, and or a fake etc..
Folks I see here, and else were; would love OU and FE. Yet it is the same thing over and over and over. Hell the energizer bunny does not have the likes of this stuff. LOL if I could harness the belief in OU I think I could have it.
Were are the new ideas and new reasons that have not already been hashed and trashed for a lot longer than I have existed.
I do not see such here for sure. I just keep hoping I do. Yet folks just dive into the same old, with new names in the game.
Its like watching a person stick his hand on a hot stove over, and over, and over, and over.
I would like to see something else than them burns from a hot stove which is so far the result of all of this.
Quote from: wattsup on May 25, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
@miki02131
Man what piece of crackerjack did you bite into.
First of all cut it out with the insults especially to someone that cannot answer back or is this the only way you can find to express your qualms. Are we to supposedly expect a grand realization of what you just spewed so freely.
Actually all of you are on the wrong forum.
Here are some that might be good for you guys.
OUfakes.com, OUimpossible.com, OUdrama.com, OUbashing.com, OUinquirer.com, OUpcheroes.com. I have much more but it is certainly not overunity.com.
I would like to know in all your posts, in the last month or so, how many are actually involved with showing, explaining, introducing and/or purporting anything mildly plausible for the OU community. Hmmmmmm. No hands. That should be grounds enough to get you guys listed in another forum were you would be free to tear each other apart, day after day, week after week.
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. YOU GUYS ARE TEARING APART THIS FORUM ON THREAD AFTER THE OTHER AND IT HAS TO STOP.
JUST SICK.
THE SIGN ON THE ENTRANCE DOOR TO THIS FORUM SHOULD READ "YES, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS IMPOSSIBLE, SO SHUT UP AND GET TO WORK".
Wattsup,
I know who my Lord is and his name is Science. His principles guide my path and illuminate the way. I also believe that OU doesn't have to be anti-science. What about you, do you know who your lord or boss is? What is your interest in OU? Does it always have to be about the sale of magnets, aluminum, FE books, DVDs, and plan.
I tell you this, I have been doing much more in support of OU than you can begin to imagine. When I come out with my project, the principles will be well-explained, the circuit implementation will be clear and concise. The evidence will be unambiguous and open. Yet I don't expect you to be able to replicate as it involves more than cutting aluminum disk and gluing magnets on a platter.
Miki Out.
Ok..... with that, I will post my new idea to test.
Hmm... "Science" is a rather bleak god to have... And a fickle one.
And it can entail just as much dogma, lies, and misdirection for the purposes of controlling societies as "Religion" does.
My "Synod" of Science is apparently different than yours.
Ours says peeps can still get to heaven if they don't agree with everything your Synod says. Apparently we are "Damned" in the others' eyes, because we don't always follow exactly the same dogmas... Our god must be "False" because He/She can do a few things that yours can't ;)
Because when you get down to it... What is the difference in believing in Quantum Physics, and a specific God/Religion? Both really can't be proved. Both can't be seen by an individual sitting in a classroom. The student is told to take it ON FAITH.
TAKE IT ON FAITH that magnets cannot produce net work.
TAKE IT ON FAITH that Hydroxy can't be created much more efficiently than some guy said 150 years ago.
The problem with the currently held beliefs about Science is, that just like religions, they are replaced by new ones periodically. EVERY SINGLE previous scientific dogma that was held in science before this current set, were ultimately rejected.. Replaced for the new ones. All though history, science has changed it's mind constantly. Isn't it a little silly, and extreme hubris, to expect this not to happen again ?
Of course it will.
So excuse us if we are simply not interested in hearing dogma we have already heard, and disagree with, spouted over and over by certain other people here who insist on gracing us with their opinions, sometimes over ONE HUNDRED TIMES in a single thread lol ;)
As if their opinions were of such tremendous value.
WE GET IT that many of you disagree with the possibilities discussed here... For Holy Science's sake lol, you can give it a rest now ;)
Because to continually "push" these opinions on everyone else here, like some religious fanatic shouting: "Nay, Nay, Thou Are Damned!", is getting rather tedious for all concerned.
So after over 300 year's of trying different configurations, millions of failures, this is "FAITH"? seems you and I have a different definition of the word "FAITH".
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TAKE IT ON FAITH that magnets cannot produce net work.
QuoteSo after over 300 year's of trying different configurations, millions of failures, this is "FAITH"? seems you and I have a different definition of the word "FAITH".
Wow, has it been that long already? Where has the time gone?
But for the last 200 years people were told it could not be done so they quit trying, so it was only the first 100 years of the same old ideas and back then they had bad magnets!
Actually I was being generous, go search the word lodestone, you will find it has a very long history of alchemy and other kinds of pseudo science, and guess which category is in there?, yes you got it, power from a magnet.
This miraculous stone not only cured all kinds of ailments, but it freed us all from energy dependence..... oh wait, scratch that last bit, I just had to pay my utility bill.
Quote from: lumen on May 25, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
Wow, has it been that long already? Where has the time gone?
But for the last 200 years people were told it could not be done so they quit trying, so it was only the first 100 years of the same old ideas and back then they had bad magnets!
Yeah.... But their magnets still sucked.
And they didn't have COLD FUSION because that is impossible!
And still unproven, but I have hopes for it.
Quote from: lumen on May 25, 2009, 07:15:40 PM
And they didn't have COLD FUSION because that is impossible!
Lol as long as people listen to OPINIONS like yours, they will always be paying power bills ;)
What the hell is the idea, why are you posting here so much, saying the same things over and over?... Why is it so important to you to "save us from ourselves" lol?
From your often nasty attitude, it's hard to accept that it is "Altruism" behind it LOL ;)
We would all like to hear this answer: WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING THIS STUFF OVER AND OVER?
It really does look rather strange and suspicious, you know.
My opinion is that you should go and jump off a 10,000 foot cliff without parachute, but somehow I don't think my "opinion" is going to cause you to do that, or is it?
PLEASE DON"T DO IT!
Quote from: jibbguy on May 25, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Lol as long as people listen to OPINIONS like yours, they will always be paying power bills ;)
I can understand how in time of nothing working you just burn out. Usually after some rest, you start to see things again and new ideas come up.
The best thing is don't build a device, just test the concept that supposed to make it work!
This will show right away why it can't work.
I am never against the idea of experimenting with magnets, I do so myself and they can be a source of education as well as fun.
Here you go, legitimate sources
http://www.magnetsource.com/
http://www.simmsfishing.com/
I am however against the obvious cesspool of con artists within the FE community.
Man i had you all wrong. All this time you were really shilling for magnet suppliers and fishing tackle stores ?!!
Just kidding ;)
Look, there are con men in every field, and in religion for sure, lol. There are lots of con men (and women) in our governments.
And there are many good, dedicated people in the F-E and Open Source movements who really want to make a difference with our world and futures. And there are many, MOST here, who follow good Scientific Method, and make honest attempts at broadening our knowledge and researching these subjects... In important fields that are wrongly ignored by the mainstream.
They are also indirectly victims of the con artists.
Maybe you don't realize it, but you are crapping on them too with blanket denials and rough generalizations. What is the point in that? The con artists wont listen to you anyway, and the huge majority who are innocent of any fraudulent behavior don't need your "lessons" and continually repeated opinions to do what they know is right, either.
All it accomplishes is saying: "You are wrong!". Well, any of us who were ever married know how effective a technique for changing minds that is ;)
People will be much more interested in hearing what you have to say, if they sense you are interested in what they have to say. It's the first rule of magnet and fishing lure Sales ;)
I am well aware the con artists will not listen, it's their bread and butter, it's their living(used very loosely), I don't give a rats arse about them, but hopefully new folk coming in will see the warnings and
verify the
validity of the claim's and sales sources.
I have over 300 years of science on my side, but even I will get curious about a claim and attempt replication(see my sig), but my source for parts will be proven legitimate or from the scrap yard.
Quote from: jibbguy on May 25, 2009, 08:45:22 PM
Maybe you don't realize it, but you are crapping on them too with blanket denials and rough generalizations. What is the point in that? The con artists wont listen to you anyway, and the huge majority who are innocent of any fraudulent behavior don't need your "lessons" and continually repeated opinions to do what they know is right, either.
*** RE-ANALYSIS OF VIDEO#6 ACCELERATION CURVE ***
Here is a re-analysis, more accurate, of video # 6.
included are the first 5 minutes when the engine is running.
this time each set of magnets was tracked by computer to extract data more accurately.
the first analysis in April, has been done by hand ... frame by frame...(it was less accurate and had more chance of error)
in addition, the transformed data in RPM (Y axis) and second (X axis) for a more simple graphic.
note that even if the technique of analysis has changed ... the results are substantially similar.
the second graph is the analysis of the latest video ... where we have all seen the "string".
it is interesting to note that the acceleration curve are very different. (Video#6 VS latest video)
All the latest videos analyzed have an acceleration curve similar to the second graph (steadily and smooth) ... and all have been proven to operate with the system of "string".
once again, the re-analysis (video#6) shows no consistency in the acceleration curve, not even a constant "top" value.
LightRider
Seems the acceleration starts coincide with the camera zooming on the stator area. The big pan out section coincides with the deceleration time.
Note the acceleration points and the coinciding zoom in at the stator area, sometimes out of focus and shaky.
I think this one was spun by hand.
Incidentally, Clanzer and Que had replications using these stone henge type magnets and got no positive results. As I remember, Mylow wouldn't even reply to Que's questions after Que had posted several replication videos. But, Mylow was just trying to help replicators.
Lightrider,
Thanks for taking time to the do the analysis and post your results.
Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #466 on: Today at 06:05:48 AM »Quote Modify I am not doing a Sterling here, I recieve nothing. However my friend purchased a lot of magnets (over 1500) to do a lot of replication work and to help out others. After the fake video's were revealed he was to say the least a little out of pocket.
I hope I am not breaking any rules here but I am pasting the details and costs and a contact. I am sure they will package up the types of magnets any way you want them.
Mark
In looking over the many magnets we purchased, we can offer 2 different kits, one for the 18 “ disk motor which Mylow was demoing and testing, and using for his instructional videos, (most often with only 6 bar rotor magnets and 2 horseshoe stator magnets); and a New Second kit with magnets like the larger bar magnets Mylow shows in his latest ‘apology’ video, with the smaller dia. disk (although not free-running).
The initial ‘Traditional’ kit will include the following magnets:
36 CB65 ceramic bar magnets - .393 x .400 x 1.875 “
2 HS 811N Alnico horseshoe magnets
30 smaller ceramic bar magnets .390 x .25 x 2.0 “
10 thin multipole ceramic magnets .125 x .75 x 1.95 “
The cost for this 78 magnet kit is $39 + $6 for postage â€" sent by fixed price priority mail
The ‘NEW Kit‘ will include the following (awaiting verification from Mylow):
15 CB60N larger ceramic bar magnets - .393 x .875 x 1.875â€
2 CB702N Hi power Ceramic bar magnets .5 x 1.0 x2.0â€
20 Small ceramic bar magnets .390 x .25 x 2.0 “
2 CER5 Ceramic donut ring magnets 1.77 OD x .866 ID x .314T
The cost for this 39 magnet kit is $19 + $6 for postage â€" sent via fixed price priority mail
If anyone wants both kits the cost is $55 plus $7.50 postage = total of $62.50 for 117 magnets
Delivery time is approx 5 days
These items are available for purchase in the US only, via my son Steve @ rugbysteve@aol.com
He accepts paypal and checks, only.
Quote from: ellubpt on May 26, 2009, 01:04:47 AM
Seems the acceleration starts coincide with the camera zooming on the stator area. The big pan out section coincides with the deceleration time.
Note the acceleration points and the coinciding zoom in at the stator area, sometimes out of focus and shaky.
I think this one was spun by hand.
Incidentally, Clanzer and Que had replications using these stone henge type magnets and got no positive results. As I remember, Mylow wouldn't even reply to Que's questions after Que had posted several replication videos. But, Mylow was just trying to help replicators.
ellubpt,
good observation (zoom in VS zoom out VS out of focus and shaky camera),
I will re-post the same graph analysis (only video#6) with this information added, to see what happens ...
Thanks,
LightRider
Quote from: ellubpt on May 26, 2009, 01:04:47 AM
Seems the acceleration starts coincide with the camera zooming on the stator area. The big pan out section coincides with the deceleration time.
Note the acceleration points and the coinciding zoom in at the stator area, sometimes out of focus and shaky.
I think this one was spun by hand.
Incidentally, Clanzer and Que had replications using these stone henge type magnets and got no positive results. As I remember, Mylow wouldn't even reply to Que's questions after Que had posted several replication videos. But, Mylow was just trying to help replicators.
Voilà ,
I put the events (zooming, shaky camera ,....) on the graph in relation with time...
see for your self.
if an addition or correction should be made, please let me know.
Thanks,
LightRider
Quote from: lumen on May 25, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
Wow, has it been that long already? Where has the time gone?
But for the last 200 years people were told it could not be done so they quit trying, so it was only the first 100 years of the same old ideas and back then they had bad magnets!
Have you been sleeping for the last 200 years? Believers and students have never stopped trying.
wattsup, severly moderated discussion groups in FE descends into fantasy blather.
Diversity of opinion keeps these discussion groups alive.
Quote from: LightRider on May 26, 2009, 03:07:13 AM
Voilà ,
I put the events (zooming, shaky camera ,....) on the graph in relation with time...
see for your self.
if an addition or correction should be made, please let me know.
Thanks,
LightRider
Incredible work, quite revealing.
I personally could not come up with any method to over come the effect of the cog either. Fortunately I did not waste a lot of money in doing so. It was an interesting try but in the end it appears that that more adjustments to avoid the cog the less there is any possible torque to do useful work. There is some satisfaction in the form of getting a better sense of the physical interactions with a hands on approach to actually feel the fields working against each other. For me it is time to stick a fork in this pig as it done for me at least.
Back to the nano solar mixture and making the mods to the wide format printer.Maybe the Barbat patent app as a periodic distraction or break from the thin film work. It was real it was fun but it wasn't really fun.
Quote from: Doug1 on May 26, 2009, 07:38:11 AM
I personally could not come up with any method to over come the effect of the cog either.
That is the stumbling block to all magnetic motors and it appears to be nature's way of saying, "close, but no cigar." Nothing in the last three hundred years and hundreds if not thousands of attempts have been able to overcome this. Perhaps with an infinite number of magnets and and infinite number of enthusiasts a successful result can be obtained. Or not.
If in fact it is impossible then this pursuit will continue ad infinitum with the same outcome. No amount of rational arguments will dissuade the die-hards and because other seemingly impossible goals have been realized before there is no guarantee that ALL seemingly impossible goals will have the same outcome.
It is the pursuit of a tantalizing mirage that always appears so real and so close as to be palpable yet always remains illusive. All attempts have ended as asymptotes, endlessly approaching the destination without ever reaching it. There are several who have dedicated their entire lives to this endeavor with results no different than anyone else. There are several who out of frustration have faked their results. There are several who realizing the compelling nature have taken advantage of those who pursue this with such alacrity and profited by it. There are examples of all of those right here on this website.
Nature has the annoying habit of hiding everything in plain sight. We are blinded by our own intellect and perceptions. Because we can dream we can also be cursed with the non productive endeavor of chasing rainbows. Unfortunately there is no omnipotent judge who can tell us if in fact what we dream is at least feasible. So we continue along the same trodden paths that others have paved hoping that it leads somewhere only to find we have been going in circles.
Bob
I have walked along path's most traveled [by me] and been surprised many times by something new
Here is a man like none I have seen [in his dedication to open source and affordability],who has built a test bed that is wonderful
The possibilities jump right out of the picture
http://q6k2yq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1poZ1dUnqnCSGQcegRGHlqYlF8nWxo733p-6-NdRKV29BeSrkhAd7qGV10Ci2AU3eVtZoMbW5KRDDmJkYcoyjSEw/Pipe%20Dream%20Flywheel%20033.JPG
Note: After the photo appears, click the image to show it larger and with best resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheRickoff&view=videos
Chet
@Chet
it is good to see another person like rick experimenting. He has the same problem we all do to overcome...ye olde cogging point. The movement he generates now is through his hand actions. i have seen one run self starting for 12 minutes just with the action of bringing the stator in. However when you have a fixed stator they always slow down
Countless attempts have been made to use mechanical and electrical devices to overcome this, but the energy used always exceeds the enrgy generated.
Perhaps with the many dozens of people who choose to experiment we will have a solution one day that don't require fishing line.
Then when we do get there the great question ..will the magnets degauus?. We can theorise about that but until we get there we will not know for sure.
Mark
Lightrider,
Excellent work. This leads me to believe that prior to each acceleration in the video, Mylow moves the camera,and himself (co-incidentaly of course) closer to the device not allowing for any observation of the disc. This would allow for it to be manipulated in some way causing the acceleration.
Now, what about the video titled "still running"?
In that video Mylow walks into the room with the unit spinning away, pans both sides of the room and does not zoom in on the unit while it spins on the dresser. Is there a wind down in RPM?
Does the distance and resolution hide evidence of a device from under the pillows on the bed?
He seems very confident and relaxed in the video, confident as he was with the table top videos which were shown to have a wire attached.No shaky fumbling with the camera, no out of focus zooming.
Was this the first implementation of the motor drive?
I also noticed the stator was mounted to the right side of the motor in this video, toward the bed.(pillows).
If he previewed his videos, he would be making sure that the naked eye could detect no wires, as was the case with the living room videos. Only hi res with aspect variations found it. I could see how he would become confident and cocky that it was beyond detection as long as the only required proof of running a motor was a you tube video.
For example, always an excuse for physical examination. Some pretty far out ones at that.
Quote from: ramset on May 26, 2009, 08:13:05 AM
Bob
I have walked along path's most traveled [by me] and been surprised many times by something new
Here is a man like none I have seen [in his dedication to open source and affordability],who has built a test bed that is wonderful
The possibilities jump right out of the picture
Chet
It appears very compelling and that is the seduction isn't it? With just a little tweak here and a little tweak there it seems that the illusive is ultimately obtainable. But at some point it becomes like Zeno's paradox. Always approach but never reaching. In fact it is the very definition of the word "tantalizing," which comes from the Greek story of Tantalus:
"Tantalus's punishment, now proverbial for temptation without satisfaction (the source of the English word "tantalizing") was to stand in a pool of water beneath a fruit tree with low branches. Whenever he reached for the fruit, the branches raised his intended meal from his grasp. Whenever he bent down to get a drink, the water receded before he could get any."
All who seek the perpetual find that it rests in the pursuit and not the desired outcome.
So that there is no confusion I am not trying to dissuade but make an observation about the process that I have seen repeated numerous times. Apparently some fundamental aspect is misunderstood and that serves as the impasse. How does one overcome this stubborn impasse if it is even possible? If it is impossible then all experiments will fail logically. If it is possible then that one magic combination of components has never been achieved or sustained. The result is the same though: it doesn't work. So back to the drawing board once again. Then this all becomes a test of personal stamina doesn't it?
So like Tantalus it remains a curse rather than a blessing: the closer it appears you get the further away, in fact, you end up.
@LightRider:
Wonderful work on the acceleration graphs.
I have to put in my 2 cents worth on the interpretation:
Based on my experiments with my instrumented wheel, accelerations that come from Mr. Hand simply spinning the wheel (by the edge or the axle) result in much steeper slopes than are shown in the accelerations on LR's graph. In my tests the accelerations from Mr. Hand happen in under a second, typically, while those in LR's graph are on the order of 5 - 7 seconds, apparently.
I conclude that the graph may actually reveal the signature of a slipping drive belt, and the accelerations are when Mylow re-tightens the setup, which keeps slipping. Holding that big motor on the bed with a pillow, maybe? Cat jumping on the bed?
I dunno. But I do know that it is really difficult to accelerate the disk _slowly_ by hand.
Bobbotov,
That's a pretty good explanation of many scientific endeavors in the mainstream, up until the breakthrough happens ;)
Quote from: ellubpt on May 26, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Lightrider,
Excellent work. This leads me to believe that prior to each acceleration in the video, Mylow moves the camera,and himself (co-incidentaly of course) closer to the device not allowing for any observation of the disc. This would allow for it to be manipulated in some way causing the acceleration.
Now, what about the video titled "still running"?
In that video Mylow walks into the room with the unit spinning away, pans both sides of the room and does not zoom in on the unit while it spins on the dresser. Is there a wind down in RPM?
Does the distance and resolution hide evidence of a device from under the pillows on the bed?
He seems very confident and relaxed in the video, confident as he was with the table top videos which were shown to have a wire attached.No shaky fumbling with the camera, no out of focus zooming.
Was this the first implementation of the motor drive?
I also noticed the stator was mounted to the right side of the motor in this video, toward the bed.(pillows).
If he previewed his videos, he would be making sure that the naked eye could detect no wires, as was the case with the living room videos. Only hi res with aspect variations found it. I could see how he would become confident and cocky that it was beyond detection as long as the only required proof of running a motor was a you tube video.
For example, always an excuse for physical examination. Some pretty far out ones at that.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 26, 2009, 09:57:43 AM
@LightRider:
Wonderful work on the acceleration graphs.
I have to put in my 2 cents worth on the interpretation:
Based on my experiments with my instrumented wheel, accelerations that come from Mr. Hand simply spinning the wheel (by the edge or the axle) result in much steeper slopes than are shown in the accelerations on LR's graph. In my tests the accelerations from Mr. Hand happen in under a second, typically, while those in LR's graph are on the order of 5 - 7 seconds, apparently.
I conclude that the graph may actually reveal the signature of a slipping drive belt, and the accelerations are when Mylow re-tightens the setup, which keeps slipping. Holding that big motor on the bed with a pillow, maybe? Cat jumping on the bed?
I dunno. But I do know that it is really difficult to accelerate the disk _slowly_ by hand.
Thanks ellubpt,
"This would allow for it to be manipulated in some way causing the acceleration."
quite possible
"Now, what about the video titled "still running"?"
(please give me the link to the video you refer...)
I'll see what I can do.
Thanks TK,
It is more likely that your deduction is correct.
You have tried practically to accelerate the disk with your hand, you know what it look like.
Moreover, the theory that "Mylow tightened the drive line setup several times in this video, and never got it stable"...
...is consistent with ...
The "events"
zooming now => several constant speeds and one deceleration are found in the graph
shaky camera => corresponds to areas of acceleration
we see all => corresponds to areas of deceleration
it would be interesting to prove beyond all doubt the true energy source of this video # 6,
yet, even the acceleration analysis of this video are subject to interpretation.
LightRider
Quote from: jibbguy on May 26, 2009, 10:08:31 AM
Bobbotov,
That's a pretty good explanation of many scientific endeavors in the mainstream, up until the breakthrough happens ;)
Ah, but the question is what constitutes a failed premise?
This Graph is icing on the cake but for me it was when he dissembled a apparently functioning magnet motor. Who in their right mind would do such a thing! I was mortified and then it donned on me that it had to be faked or he mastered a skill that no one has ever done before.
Lightrider,
The video is 7 , I believe.
I am attempting to attach it here, I saved as flash.
Ok file is too big.
Anyway , the title of it is "7 Howard Johnsons Magnetic Motor Replica by Mylow - still running"
Should be in somebody's you tube archive.
OK, LRcan1 has it on his YouTube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg&feature=channel_page
@ All
This is an extract sound from video#6 (it's repeat 3 times).
please listen the mp3 attached.
two different voices? or a single voice?
ref:
extract sound from video#6 @ 9:29
Thanks,
LightRider
Quote from: ellubpt on May 26, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
Lightrider,
The video is 7 , I believe.
I am attempting to attach it here, I saved as flash.
Ok file is too big.
Anyway , the title of it is "7 Howard Johnsons Magnetic Motor Replica by Mylow - still running"
Should be in somebody's you tube archive.
"Is there a wind down in RPM?"
I already made a frame by frame acceleration analysis in April ... at that time it was not in RPM... but this will give you a good idea ;)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168848#msg168848
"Does the distance and resolution hide evidence of a device from under the pillows on the bed?"
I will look for evidence
Thanks,
LightRider
That will need analyzing, I think it's Mylow finishing up, muttering as he moves something.
Quote from: LightRider on May 26, 2009, 01:20:36 PM
@ All
This is an extract sound from video#6 (it's repeat 3 times).
please listen the mp3 attached.
two different voices? or a single voice?
ref:
extract sound from video#6 @ 9:29
Thanks,
LightRider
@LightRider
On the mp3 he did a close up to the stator and rotor showing with his hand the movement then he said "that's it folk" and when HE said "put it back here" it was in a muttering type of voice indicative that he was exerting some force, which he was since at the same time he then slid the wheel to the left. Pretty normal discourse.
Quote from: wattsup on May 26, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
@LightRider
On the mp3 he did a close up to the stator and rotor showing with his hand the movement then he said "that's it folk" and when HE said "put it back here" it was in a muttering type of voice indicative that he was exerting some force, which he was since at the same time he then slid the wheel to the left. Pretty normal discourse.
wattsup,
as it should be now obviously, English is not my first language ;)
Thanks for taking the time to confirm that there is just one person in this audio clip.
LightRider
Mylow Video update
Youtube resolution...
(VIDEO ADD #7) How Mylow Replicated Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
NOW IN HIGH-RES...
pre MIB high-res videos - One of the files is the "my lab" video from March 17, and the other is the March 22 video just prior to the glass table video.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Latest_Developments
@all
We see very very clearly everything ... for my part, not a shadow of a "string" there.
VIDEO ANALYSIS WILL BE DONE SOON ;D
Thanks,
LightRider
can someone make a torrent for the other?
EDIT: Mr. hand theory seems more plausible now...
Lightrider
Your starting to remind me of my ex-wife. Make up your mind already and no your not gonna get alimony.
Did some experimenting, I can accelerate a populated aluminum disc a lot more smoothly by gently turning the "bearing mount under the disc" and not touching the disc itself. A simple twist gets a few minutes of smooth acceleration then windown gradually.
Great Point. Mr. Hand is clever
Quote from: ellubpt on May 27, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Did some experimenting, I can accelerate a populated aluminum disc a lot more smoothly by gently turning the "bearing mount under the disc" and not touching the disc itself. A simple twist gets a few minutes of smooth acceleration then windown gradually.
can you make a video on youtube (FIX CAMERA) ?
with 4 black mark near the middle to facilitate analysis.
Thanks,
LR
Quote from: ellubpt on May 27, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Did some experimenting, I can accelerate a populated aluminum disc a lot more smoothly by gently turning the "bearing mount under the disc" and not touching the disc itself. A simple twist gets a few minutes of smooth acceleration then windown gradually.
If the disk isn't powered, it must start wind-down immediately that you stop turning it. It can only accelerate while you are actually turning it by hand.
Unless, of course, it "really works" as a magnet motor. Which is impossible.
It cannot even maintain a constant speed, unless it is powered in some way, either by hand, by the external drive system, or as a "working magnet motor."
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 27, 2009, 02:24:26 PM
If the disk isn't powered, it must start wind-down immediately that you stop turning it. It can only accelerate while you are actually turning it by hand.
Unless, of course, it "really works" as a magnet motor. Which is impossible.
It cannot even maintain a constant speed, unless it is powered in some way, either by hand, by the external drive system, or as a "working magnet motor."
@TK
I like the way you say "impossible" like it just has to be. Creepy is'nt it? Keep it up.
You know that the only real reason this whole Mylow thing was instigated was because of Video 6. It was enough for me and now Video 6 is back on the main roster. We never asked Mylow for bar magnets stuff or other videos. They just happenned. This all just came in somehow to muddle up the real thing that is going on here. And that is, what can magnets really do?
Mr. Hand may be smart but in this case, I think his goose is cooked. Anyways, there is no way he had his hand in the center of the wheel in Video 6. Just did not happen. Mylow has been turning his wheels longer then any of us here and he knows exactly how to release a wheel without imparting his own hand force. As for string, none.
There is a difference between forcing magnets to do something and letting magnets just be what they are. This is what Mylo is doing. The Earth is a magnet and so is the Sun, and the Earth turns around the Sun. Why?
Oh, by the way, here is a question.
Do you know what the difference is between two north polarities close together and two south polarities close together in repulsion. When you hold them next to each other in your hands, they seem to repulse in the same way, or do they? So what is the difference of these two repulsions? There is one of the keys to this wheel that will have to be answered because "we suppose" they have to be the same. But they are not.
There are three magnetic forces at play N/S, N/N, S/S. All are different.
Errr, that would be something to do with gravity?, as in the earth moves tangential to the sun while the sun pulls us in, but let me guess, you believe it is magnetism that keeps your feet on the ground?
Quote from: wattsup on May 27, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
The Earth is a magnet and so is the Sun, and the Earth turns around the Sun. Why?
@wattsup
you really believe the earth rotates around the sun because of magnetism. LMO...this is do funny.
I now see why you are so deluded and will believe anything about magnetic motors.
Mylow has nothing......ps how is your replication going...you made a lot of noise about that a couple of weeks ago.
The upside is it is harmless what you are doing and your choice. from my perspective its entertaining to see your crusade to support a Liar and a cheat.
I am of to join the Masons
Mark
Geez did I say it was because of magnetism? Hmmmmmmmm. Think not. But they are both magnets. Nice spherical magnets. One very big one, and one rather small one. So how is gravity keeping these two magnets apart with one turning around the other? Geez, both must be in there one perfect place. A little too far to the left or to far to the right and they would have crashed a long time ago. Just perfectly placed like being very well balanced. One is riding the other on its perfect outer edge. But it does not matter. You can understand what you want. No problem.
Almost the perfect place, but magnetism has very little if anything at all to do with it, I did not want to throw this all at you in one go, but I think you can cope, I've a feeling you maths might be better than mine
Earth is moving around the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour.
the mass of the Earth is 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms (6E+24 kilograms / 1.3E+25 pounds). First off you will have to take my word for it that the suns gravity is drawing the earth in towards it, we are traveling around the sun at an incredible 67,000 MPH, our earth weighs in at a cool 1.3E+25 pounds, now keep in mind it's moving in a virtual vacuum, virtually no friction, now would you care to work out the angular momentum involved, it's a big heavy rock moving extremely fast, a little clue, it's going to take a very long time to come to a stop, now to add complication we have a form of sling shot created by the suns gravitational pull, it's an elliptical orbit, hence why we have seasons, now this slingshot of the earth is just enough to give us another ride around the sun, but the orbit will eventually deteriorate with the earth falling towards the sun, nothing lasts forever.
Quote from: wattsup on May 27, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Geez did I say it was because of magnetism? Hmmmmmmmm. Think not. But they are both magnets. Nice spherical magnets. One very big one, and one rather small one. So how is gravity keeping these two magnets apart with one turning around the other? Geez, both must be in there one perfect place. A little too far to the left or to far to the right and they would have crashed a long time ago. Just perfectly placed like being very well balanced. One is riding the other on its perfect outer edge. But it does not matter. You can understand what you want. No problem.
Walter Wright's Push Gravity
http://keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm
I assume this man's theories are the ravings of a lunatic??
Not that i believe them... though i cannot dismiss or disprove them.
;D
Quote from: RunningBare on May 27, 2009, 07:54:46 PM
we have a form of sling shot created by the suns gravitational pull, it's an elliptical orbit, hence why we have seasons
Actually, the seasons are a result of the TILT of the earth on it's axis and that tilt varies. When the northern hemisphere is tilted closest to the sun = summer for the northern hemisphere and winter for the southern. And the opposite when tilted the other way.
But most of the rest is correct. With the HUGE distances involved (the orbital path of the earth etc) it will take a VERY VERY long time for the orbit to decay into the sun. (the sun will probably explode even before this happens ... 10 billion yrs. maybe?)
And gravity.... hmmm.... what IS that? Funny thing is... we still don't really know. Why is the expansion of the universe ACCELERATING instead of slowing down due to gravity? NOW we call it DARK ENERGY. So gravity should now be renamed 'LIGHT ENERGY'? ???
And what happens when you hit a baseball with a bat? Magnetism (the charge of the atoms of the items) causes repulsion making the ball fly away. You don't actually 'hit' the ball, only the magnetic field of the atoms of the ball.
:)
Magnets, gravity, planets, fun stuff, just some links, on/off subject
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/tom_shannon_s_magnetic_sculpture.html
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/joann_kuchera_morin_tours_the_allosphere.html
and for the magnet motor builders and Newts alike, food for thot, best talk for last, infectious magnet motor ?
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_dennett_on_dangerous_memes.html
(repost from Mylow Motor was a fake)
Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
Video M2U00059 HI-DEF
Youtube version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
I promise that this is my final analysis ... ;)
-In HI-DEF no string.
-When we see all the disk including the shaft, the disk slow down.
-When we see a zoom, the disk accelerates.
I guess it remains... the guilty one.
I let you guess... what you already know.
Thanks,
LightRider
EDIT: graphic correction of -1.5sec only on "red areas"
EDIT2: "nothing special happen" replace by "camera: zoom in (part of the disk is seen)"
Well I went and read it. Interesting. I see some flaws in it. (Yet will agree at times the effect gravity does push, I also believe at times it pulls in an over all (field well) game.)
Fun read, thanks.
Quote from: mental breakdown on May 27, 2009, 08:49:32 PM
Walter Wright's Push Gravity
http://keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm
I assume this man's theories are the ravings of a lunatic??
Not that i believe them... though i cannot dismiss or disprove them.
;D
I stand corrected, there ya go, proof positive I'm not an astrophysicist, it's still a big hunk o rock tethered by an elastic band to the sun.
Quote from: capthook on May 28, 2009, 12:21:58 AM
Actually, the seasons are a result of the TILT of the earth on it's axis and that tilt varies. When the northern hemisphere is tilted closest to the sun = summer for the northern hemisphere and winter for the southern. And the opposite when tilted the other way.
Quote from: capthook on May 28, 2009, 12:21:58 AM
Actually, the seasons are a result of the TILT of the earth on it's axis and that tilt varies. When the northern hemisphere is tilted closest to the sun = summer for the northern hemisphere and winter for the southern. And the opposite when tilted the other way.
But most of the rest is correct. With the HUGE distances involved (the orbital path of the earth etc) it will take a VERY VERY long time for the orbit to decay into the sun. (the sun will probably explode even before this happens ... 10 billion yrs. maybe?)
And gravity.... hmmm.... what IS that? Funny thing is... we still don't really know. Why is the expansion of the universe ACCELERATING instead of slowing down due to gravity? NOW we call it DARK ENERGY. So gravity should now be renamed 'LIGHT ENERGY'? ???
And what happens when you hit a baseball with a bat? Magnetism (the charge of the atoms of the items) causes repulsion making the ball fly away. You don't actually 'hit' the ball, only the magnetic field of the atoms of the ball.
:)
Capt:
I am not an astrophysicist but the part where you say the tilt varies is not in agreement with my understanding. Summer and winter are caused by the tilt of the earth relative to the sun. So, we have a globe with a certain tilt on its axis and when it is on one side of the sun, the northern hemisphere is tilted more toward the sun (summer) and when on the other (due to its orbit) it tilts away (winter) so, I was taught that the earth's tilt does not change but, it the area facing the sun does due to it relative position to the sun. The tilt is constant relative to the earth. I hope this makes sense.
Bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession#Of_the_Earth.27s_axis
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 28, 2009, 03:53:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession#Of_the_Earth.27s_axis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession#Of_the_Earth.27s_axis)
Wilby:
Ah, so there is a wobble to the tilt. Thanks for the info, I stand corrected. however, as this stated it does not happen 2 times per orbit around the sun for summer and winter so, I was partially correct. (that is good for me, ha ha)
Bill
I have learned so very much through the internet. And I never cease to be amazed by what I have "presumed", only to be reminded that I assumed too much. Wow. Live another day and be astonished! Who knows what tomorrow will bring.I will always assume I am student, searching and learning, accumulating knowledge and experience. And boy oh boy , am I surprised sometimes.
Quote from: RunningBare on May 28, 2009, 03:17:30 AM
I stand corrected, there ya go, proof positive I'm not an astrophysicist, it's still a big hunk o rock tethered by an elastic band to the sun.
You can console yourself, RB, by remembering that it's the E field, the electrostatic repulsion, not the magnetic field (B or H) that causes the baseball to bounce off the bat. So even Capt. Hook can't be right all the time.
::)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 28, 2009, 03:17:30 AM
I stand corrected, there ya go, proof positive I'm not an astrophysicist, it's still a big hunk o rock tethered by an elastic band to the sun.
Should add that there is no detectable interaction of the magnetic properties of the sun and earth. And the sun has many north and south magnetic poles that do not relate to the suns rotation.
Quote from: LightRider on May 28, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
(repost from Mylow Motor was a fake)
Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
Video M2U00059 HI-DEF
Youtube version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
I promise that this is my final analysis ... ;)
-In HI-DEF no string.
-When we see all the disk including the shaft, the disk slow down.
-When we see a zoom, the disk accelerates.
I guess it remains... the guilty one.
I let you guess... what you already know.
Thanks,
LightRider
EDIT: graphic correction of -1.5sec only on "red areas"
Doesn't get much clearer than that! Best conceived graph yet. Thanks for all your effort on these graphs LR, much appreciated.
Ron
Those are the closest I know of, but I must say that with recent information, I am leaning strongly toward the view that Mylow was lying from the beginning, and that he has never had a single working unit.
Sterling
However I have decided to wait for wattsup's replication before making my mind up. So do we have a time frame on this Wattsup?
Kind regards
Mark
@ Wattsup
"Andy Graham" <andydidge@...> wrote:
>
> What a shame...I really was holding out on this one, but I think I'm finally
done with it.
>
> ...anyone want to buy a cool spinning paperweight?
>
> -Andy
The latest:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 28, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
The latest:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
Oh Joe, no, Sterling lied to us before, how do you know he is not lying now?
I have all my money on wattsup and Aquariuz. Just you wait, Sterling will have to retract his retraction yet again!!, lol
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on May 28, 2009, 09:19:34 PM
Oh Joe, no, Sterling lied to us before, how do you know he is not lying now?
I have all my money on wattsup and Aquariuz. Just you wait, Sterling will have to retract his retraction yet again!!, lol
Ron
Hey Ron,
Whatever it takes to get another 462 pages out of it will work for me :) What a story.
Joe
Quote from: i_ron on May 28, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Doesn't get much clearer than that! Best conceived graph yet. Thanks for all your effort on these graphs LR, much appreciated.
Ron
Yes, great work LR.
A past post of mine on April 13th: " ... and now with the video, you can clearly see his hand move into the shaft, and leave the shaft area as if giving it a spin (it's right there at 9:12- 9:14 in video 6). "
I forgot what wassup's reply was, but my theory was dismissed :)
Joe
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 28, 2009, 10:03:17 PM
Hey Ron,
Whatever it takes to get another 462 pages out of it will work for me :) What a story.
Joe
Joe, anothr 462 pages?! Geeez, I only have 147!
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 28, 2009, 10:45:43 PM
Joe, anothr 462 pages?! Geeez, I only have 147!
Damn page counters 8)
Quote from: joe_1001101 on May 28, 2009, 10:16:43 PM
Yes, great work LR.
A past post of mine on April 13th: " ... and now with the video, you can clearly see his hand move into the shaft, and leave the shaft area as if giving it a spin (it's right there at 9:12- 9:14 in video 6). "
I forgot what wassup's reply was, but my theory was dismissed :)
Joe
This thing is a dead horse guys..... time to get back to work on the anti-gravity devices
Quote from: LightRider on May 28, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
(repost from Mylow Motor was a fake)
Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
I promise that this is my final analysis ... ;)
@ LightRider
You did some really outstanding work in this thread dude !
Your forum rank says " Junior Member "
In my book it should say " HERO " !!
Thanks for sharing your light here.
Cheers
Queue
Sterling D. Allan:
Putting Mylows real name, address and phone on the web just shows again how you are of questionable ethics.
Yesterday while you believed it was all good, now you give out his personal info in spite.
No one should trust you. You keep proving it over and over.
Quote from: queue on May 28, 2009, 10:59:21 PM
@ LightRider
You did some really outstanding work in this thread dude !
Your forum rank says " Junior Member "
In my book it should say " HERO " !!
Thanks for sharing your light here.
Cheers
Queue
Amen!
Thanks to "toukoqouko" and "Lightrider", this fiasco was unmasked in barely two weeks with proof from two entirely different approaches. We should all be grateful for their tenacity and persistence.
We should all send Jose ("Mylow") a thank-you note for 2 months of entertainment--and embarrassment.
James
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 28, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
Sterling D. Allan:
Putting Mylows real name, address and phone on the web just shows again how you are of questionable ethics.
Yesterday while you believed it was all good, now you give out his personal info in spite.
No one should trust you. You keep proving it over and over.
What else can you expect from a person trying to cover their sorry butt.
But I'm certain his devoted followers will not abandon him to his fate just as he now abandons Mylows to his.
Quote from: lostcauses10x on May 28, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
Sterling D. Allan:
Putting Mylows real name, address and phone on the web just shows again how you are of questionable ethics.
Yesterday while you believed it was all good, now you give out his personal info in spite.
No one should trust you. You keep proving it over and over.
Hats off to agent Ricky. He pulled this one off with flying colors. The reason Sterling could not get him to come to the door when he went to Chicago was that Ricky doesn't even live at that address:) His email and phone is correct but that phone is a throwaway..... and of course, so is his email address. Soon you will probably be seeing a picture of his car posted on the net. He used it when he came to Blacksburg. Ha, it was a rental. What a hoot! Sterling is FE TOAST
Quote from: ellubpt on May 28, 2009, 05:27:36 AM
I have learned so very much through the internet. And I never cease to be amazed by what I have "presumed", only to be reminded that I assumed too much. Wow. Live another day and be astonished! Who knows what tomorrow will bring.I will always assume I am student, searching and learning, accumulating knowledge and experience. And boy oh boy , am I surprised sometimes.
The inches we need for a magnet motor are all around us, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rFx6OFooCs
@Mylow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXaD3KZStLI
Whats a magnet motor worth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOkW0OxkEic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC6ZL0qHaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFSY8BL3ow
This is my response to recent events in another thread. I should have posted it here but I will now to make up for my error.
Hans von Lieven
.......................
I have seen a lot of shit in the FE movement over the years but nothing has ever come close to what appears to be going down now.
I don't know if Sterling's outing of Mylow is real, I mean, does anyone still believe anything the prick is saying?
If it is real, it is the lowest act I have ever witnessed in a forum such as this. I hope Mylow was smart enough to lie to Sterling about his personal data as Alfparts suggests.
There is more than a good chance that the whole scam was originated by Sterling and Mylow was just a dimwitted participant that got arseholed when the scam fell apart.
Even if Sterling was the dimwitted victim; to shit on Mylow from a great height to save his own bacon is about as low as you can get.
Sorry Sterling, as far as I am concerned you are not worth listening to.
Hans von Lieven
Must admit I have got to agree with most people on this point.
By putting Mylows personal details out to the public is not right.
Whether he is a hoax or not, is not the point. Sterling approached Mylow, not the other way around and Sterling should stick with the confidentiality that he promised Mylow.
Not a good move, especially for future claims, as they will know that any assurance of confidential information is out the door as soon as things go wrong :(
I am waiting for the results of Wattsup's replication ...hello where are you Ashquith????
Sad affair this all around. I was one of many members of the New Energy Conogress that resigned recently as we believed Sterling was out of control and was not behaving rationally , or ethically. He has burned many bridges. I always forgive people but never forget.
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on May 29, 2009, 05:28:42 AM
Sad affair this all around. I was one of many members of the New Energy Conogress that resigned recently as we believed Sterling was out of control and was not behaving rationally , or ethically. He has burned many bridges. I always forgive people but never forget.
Mark
Sounds like ole Sterling got too much taste of power after all the adoration poured on him by his followers.
I would like a supporter of Sterling to come forward and justify Sterlings actions in putting the name and address details on a public website.
I am not a follower of Sterling but I think he is justified in reaviling Mylow's identity for the followings:
1- There shouldn't be any sympaty or pity for any scam artist
2- Scam artists don't like operating in the open. By exposing them, you take out their first line of defense.
3- Exposing Mylow might scare potential scam artists from running similar scams in the future. This, in itself, makes the revelation worthwhile. Chasing scam artists out of the FE field should be one of our top priorities.
4- Mylow's action shouldn't go unpunish. He needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. Exposing his identity is the least that can happen to him. To me, he deserves jail time as well.
I know Sterling is guilty also and deserve to be punished as well, but there is no way I will take the side of a scam artist. Mylow deserves whatever is thrown at him. Here is my blame assignment in all of this:
1- Mylow 10%, for orchestrating the scam.
2- Sterling 20%, for believing in the possibility of an all PMM and supporting blindly Mylow.
3- FE Coo-Coo 70%, for their gullibility.
Miki Out.
Quote from: miki02131 on May 29, 2009, 09:01:12 AM
I am not a follower of Sterling but I think he is justified in reaviling Mylow's identity for the followings:
1- There shouldn't be any sympaty or pity for any scam artist
2- Scam artists don't like operating in the open. By exposing them, you take out their first line of defense.
3- Exposing Mylow might scare potential scam artists from running similar scams in the future. This, in itself, makes the revelation worthwhile. Chasing scam artists out of the FE field should be one of our top priorities.
4- Mylow's action shouldn't go unpunish. He needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. Exposing his identity is the least that can happen to him. To me, he deserves jail time as well.
I know Sterling is guilty also and deserve to be punished as well, but there is no way I will take the side of a scam artist. Mylow deserves whatever is thrown at him. Here is my blame assignment in all of this:
1- Mylow 10%, for orchestrating the scam.
2- Sterling 20%, for believing in the possibility of an all PMM and supporting blindly Mylow.
3- FE Coo-Coo 70%, for their gullibility.
Miki Out.
Here, here! I agree, at least mylow showed his face on videos, not like alsetalokin....
Ron
Quote from: markdansie on May 29, 2009, 05:28:42 AM
I am waiting for the results of Wattsup's replication ...hello where are you Ashquith????
Sad affair this all around. I was one of many members of the New Energy Conogress that resigned recently as we believed Sterling was out of control and was not behaving rationally , or ethically. He has burned many bridges. I always forgive people but never forget.
Mark
This whole episode does no good for NEC, PESnetwork or FE research. It felt to me like Sterling was doing a Barnum and Bailey act as soon as he got his grip on this Mylow character. Promoting unbelievable excuses and wild assumptions yet always covering his butt with statements like" could it be...", or "Mylow says....". It's like a bigfoot story or an alien autopsy.
Will a credible researcher/experimenter ever bother going to Sterling, PES now?
Mark, I can't say I blame you for resigning,but, It's a loss of rationality in the body now that will affect the NEC for some time to come.
Not to mention that an apology is due to Stephan and OU.com after the "boycott" and several statements (threats- which have since been removed).
Quote from: i_ron on May 29, 2009, 10:40:38 AM
Here, here! I agree, at least mylow showed his face on videos, not like alsetalokin....
Ron
Can you point me to the claim where alsetalokin said he had a real working magnetic motor, it is convenient that some of you ignored his warnings that the device works within the realms of real physics and is NOT over unity, heck I fell for it ignoring his disclaimer, but that was my choice, alsetalokin did not force me, it's about time some of you took responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming others.
Sterling did not post Mylows address to seek justice, he posted it seeking revenge, it is childish to say the least, but far worse it puts a family in danger.
Here is more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z62Z8-6boc
I have so much fun reading and watching this thread.
On a side note it does not matter if you post mylow address or Name. Those people who wanted his address most likely got it allready before this from mylow. Hay Mylow what is your address I am going to send you more magnets... I wish people would send me magnets.
Quote from: deseret on May 29, 2009, 02:12:28 PM
Here is more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z62Z8-6boc
I have so much fun reading and watching this thread.
On a side note it does not matter if you post mylow address or Name. Those people who wanted his address most likely got it allready before this from mylow. Hay Mylow what is your address I am going to send you more magnets... I wish people would send me magnets.
Nope, Mylow didn't give it out to anybody, including me. Cool video, thanks for sharing:)
Quote from: RunningBare on May 29, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
Can you point me to the claim where alsetalokin said he had a real working magnetic motor, it is convenient that some of you ignored his warnings that the device works within the realms of real physics and is NOT over unity, heck I fell for it ignoring his disclaimer, but that was my choice, alsetalokin did not force me, it's about time some of you took responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming others.
Sterling did not post Mylows address to seek justice, he posted it seeking revenge, it is childish to say the least, but far worse it puts a family in danger.
The two hoaxers can't be compared, admittedly, but to be hoaxed even by a 'gentleman' like alsetalokin still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I was fortunate in that I didn't send in my magnet order, figuring to wait "just a while longer" for a replication, damn glad I did... but I think it was a childish despicable, unwarranted stupid trick to play on the people who are willing to put their faith in an idea and help to carry it through. You can only shit on people so many times before they will just stand back and watch you burn.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on May 29, 2009, 08:38:28 PMYou can only shit on people so many times before they will just stand back and watch you burn.
Ron
Such a pity that's not applied to some supposedly reputable people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVJtWDxLS1Y
Myow's new rig.
Uh oh, that woven mat is back!!!
Bill
Quote from: deseret on May 30, 2009, 01:28:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVJtWDxLS1Y
Myow's new rig.
The cockroach is back! Doesn't this guy have shame? He's placed himself the same low as a cockroach. At least the cockroach knows when to quit.
cheers
chrisC
This video shows that mylow has no idea whatsoever
about HJ's magnet motor.Maybe if he spends another
20 or 30 years he'll learn how to actually read the patent.
And then he can learn the difference between a stator
and an armature.
I hope he's going to spend more time on this than all the viewers combined.
Actually the video was put up by PES not Mylow.
Quote from: chrisC on May 30, 2009, 01:47:13 AM
The cockroach is back! Doesn't this guy have shame? He's placed himself the same low as a cockroach. At least the cockroach knows when to quit.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: i_ron on May 29, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
....to be hoaxed even by a 'gentleman' like alsetalokin still leaves a bad taste in the mouth....but I think it was a childish despicable, unwarranted stupid trick to play on the people....
I agree. In fact, Alsetalokin's hoax was more blameworthy than Mylow's because Mylow appears to have a screw loose, while Al is a cool, level-headed fellow with a good education.
Al's hoax was done with the sole motive of making fools of people, getting them to waste time and money, while he protests, like some cheesy lawyer: "But I said it was not OU!".
Even so, it would be wrong to publish Al's real name and address, and it was wrong of Sterling to publish Mylow's personal information.
Quote from: canam101 on May 30, 2009, 08:38:20 AM
Al's hoax was done with the sole motive of making fools of people, getting them to waste time and money, while he protests, like some cheesy lawyer: "But I said it was not OU!".
That made you the fool. And that is why you protest.
With a proper education you would have known that it was a hoax.
There was a move underway to put clothes on all wild animals. This is an obvious hoax to most people but there are those that still sent donations.
I thought both hoax's were funny.
Quote from: waynegage on May 30, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
That made you the fool. And that is why you protest.
I thought both hoax's were funny.
Yes, and I have every right to protest. The Chinese understand that the victim should always be allowed to save face, thus avoiding the implications of karma.
In neither of these two hoaxes was there this 'saving face' mechanism present. So the full weight of despisal rests on the perpetrators ... and idiots who laugh at the victims.
Ron
Quote from: waynegage on May 30, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
That made you the fool. And that is why you protest.
I don't know what you are talking about. I never spent a cent on Al's hoax.
I admit I disregarded his initial warning enough to think his gizmo might possibly be for real, but my participation was limited to watching the hoax play out. I wasn't especially surprised that no one was able to replicate it.
The only reason I protest is that I dislike seeing a hoaxer treated by nitwits as if he has done something commendable.
Quote from: canam101 on May 30, 2009, 02:00:49 PM
The only reason I protest is that I dislike seeing a hoaxer treated by nitwits as if he has done something commendable.
IMO he did not do anything commendable, but I guess that depends on your definition of entertainment, I was severely pissed at him, but I am still the one responsible, Alsetalokins only crime was to be an ass.
Quote from: i_ron on May 30, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
Yes, and I have every right to protest. The Chinese understand that the victim should always be allowed to save face, thus avoiding the implications of karma.
In neither of these two hoaxes was there this 'saving face' mechanism present. So the full weight of despisal rests on the perpetrators ... and idiots who laugh at the victims.
Ron
Once, at a bingo game before starting, the anouncer pointed at me and told me to count the balls to make sure they were all there...on my way to the stage the crowd broke into laughter. At fist I was angry to be made a fool, but then I joined in the laughter. I decided that it was funny.
Quote from: waynegage on May 30, 2009, 03:27:37 PM
Once, at a bingo game before starting, the anouncer pointed at me and told me to count the balls to make sure they were all there...on my way to the stage the crowd broke into laughter. At fist I was angry to be made a fool, but then I joined in the laughter. I decided that it was funny.
Good to see you are human.
What will strike me as funny is when both wattsup and aquariuz post their replications on the same day!
Ron
Quote from: RunningBare on May 30, 2009, 05:21:09 AM
Actually the video was put up by PES not Mylow.
Yep, Mylow had no intentions for the video to be posted. Sterling never asked for permission, as usual. Hey, check this out ...Sterling has a new job now. He's a movie critic.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Race_to_Witch_Mountain
Maybe the Globe or National Inquirer will give him a job.
Quote from: ALFPARTS on May 30, 2009, 04:56:27 PM
Yep, Mylow had no intentions for the video to be posted. Sterling never asked for permission, as usual. Hey, check this out ...Sterling has a new job now. He's a movie critic.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Race_to_Witch_Mountain (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Race_to_Witch_Mountain)
Maybe the Globe or National Inquirer will give him a job.
Or the NY Times....
Bill
The keys to the city
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA
Chet
Even HJ's other patent "Magnetic propulsion system" #5402021 mentions "by arranging the thinner magnets 22 between the generally rectangular magnets 20 in the forgoing manner ,there is a pole shading effect on the magnets 20 of the walls 12,14."
12,14 are the walls of the track the car travels down. He is using a method to shade one of the poles N or S which if in the case of a wheel design would be on the rotor magnets.
The patent is long winded but aren't they all. he also mentions his spin magnets which are angled relative to the magnets on the track to improve the exceleration. Just cant figure out if they physically spin flip or move in some way or if they are simply there to divert the flux the long way round. That makes me wonder if it is basically the effect of an air foil but with magnetic flux instead of air.If the air foil effect can be made to function in a magnetic form then maybe it could create forward movement as a result of magnetic flux's behavioral differences compared to fluid air which is less contained in one sense but has good surface adhession to the magnets itself. Telsa's valvular conduit would work sort of in the same manner. Now please dont all say Huh? all at once. Look at the patents and the descriptions of the layouts for the magnets. Pardon the spelling errors Im eating lunch. You'll have hunt down the tesla valvular conduit pat and maybe a simple explanation of how an air foil creates lift if you dont already know it.
I still dont like mylow or pan pizza but if there is way to get a wheel to work or to get HJ work to function then mylow really doesnt amount anything more then what you could scrape off your shoes before you enter your house and he has no more or less importance then that.
this would be the Jap version pat app of HJ http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7378772.PN.&OS=PN/7378772&RS=PN/7378772
Blabber from me http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/2006/RX/RX54S-siebert.html
more blabber , From HONDA, suk me sideways? what? why Honda? a behometh in the wotld of development. a PMM? who is Honda? did the patent ap apply when HJ's expired? wierd elephant ass and jack ass nuts shit me ok did u understand that?, http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week38/OG/html/1334-3/US07425785-20080916.html
Sept 16, 08 from HONDA http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7425785.PN.&OS=PN/7425785&RS=PN/7425785
Talk about conspiracy?
Quote from: X00013 on May 31, 2009, 07:43:36 PM
Blabber from me http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/2006/RX/RX54S-siebert.html
more blabber , From HONDA, suk me sideways? what? why Honda? a behometh in the wotld of development. a PMM? who is Honda? did the patent ap apply when HJ's expired? wierd elephant ass and jack ass nuts shit me ok did u understand that?, http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week38/OG/html/1334-3/US07425785-20080916.html
Um. no. I did not undertand that. But then, I am recovering from food poisoning and also do not speak
Aborigine.. Could you please provide us with your educated commentary?
Quote from: Doug1 on May 31, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Even HJ's other patent "Magnetic propulsion system" #5402021 mentions "by arranging the thinner magnets 22 between the generally rectangular magnets 20 in the forgoing manner ,there is a pole shading effect on the magnets 20 of the walls 12,14."
12,14 are the walls of the track the car travels down. He is using a method to shade one of the poles N or S which if in the case of a wheel design would be on the rotor magnets.
The patent is long winded but aren't they all. he also mentions his spin magnets which are angled relative to the magnets on the track to improve the exceleration. Just cant figure out if they physically spin flip or move in some way or if they are simply there to divert the flux the long way round. That makes me wonder if it is basically the effect of an air foil but with magnetic flux instead of air.If the air foil effect can be made to function in a magnetic form then maybe it could create forward movement as a result of magnetic flux's behavioral differences compared to fluid air which is less contained in one sense but has good surface adhession to the magnets itself. Telsa's valvular conduit would work sort of in the same manner. Now please dont all say Huh? all at once. Look at the patents and the descriptions of the layouts for the magnets. Pardon the spelling errors Im eating lunch. You'll have hunt down the tesla valvular conduit pat and maybe a simple explanation of how an air foil creates lift if you dont already know it.
I still dont like mylow or pan pizza but if there is way to get a wheel to work or to get HJ work to function then mylow really doesnt amount anything more then what you could scrape off your shoes before you enter your house and he has no more or less importance then that.
Very good Doug. Thank you for bringing our attention to this. A working version of this exists in the HJ archives. It is somewhat similar to the setup that Bedini got from Howard ( and never returned as promised - - just had to throw that in here) except that the magnets are underneath the vehicle. Neither set changes physical position. It is a shorter track but the acceleration is much greater. The angular relationship of magnets are of the values that I previously stated in emails.
Also you are correct. Mylow is a real nutjob. When I pointing out that he should consider giving the FE community and the Johnsons an apology he stated that he didn't owe anybody anything and that he had to do it to protect his family..... he further stated "besides, Howard Johnson was wrong ...." Mylow often cannot remember what he says from one day to the next. - - - Though Mylow seems to want to equate his motor version with that of Johnsons, Mylows version does not even come close to applying the principles of operation. I suppose he just doesn't know any better and it was his best shot at an attempt to approximate the work of Howard Johnson and use his name for attention. This whole matter is rather embarrassing and from what I can see so far about Glady's disposition.... I can't say that she's very happy about it.
One OU member made a valid point, I think, that though what Mylow did may have been wrong, it resulted in a creating a common awareness of the possibility of reality for these devices. Mylow himself even said that one of the reasons he had to do it was to get other people working on it. I think all his statements are merely rationalizations for his error and warped values system. At this point it is difficult to determine what the net effect of Mylows scam might be. However, right at the moment I don't have such a good feeling about it. Fortunately the are still those out there who are not adversely affected by the attitudes of those who have failed, those who have never tried and those who just plain have a notable level of girlie jealousy and NIH syndrome.
Quote from: X00013 on May 31, 2009, 07:47:58 PM
Sept 16, 08 from HONDA http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7425785.PN.&OS=PN/7425785&RS=PN/7425785
Talk about conspiracy?
What are you on about? This is a standard motor that requires power input to operate.
Quote from: waynegage on June 01, 2009, 06:19:36 AM
What are you on about? This is a standard motor that requires power input to operate.
To what advantage or diss-advantage do you interpret the design of the mentioned patent design? How many oddities do you see compared to a normal servo motor with magnets only on the rotor or only on the stator?
I went back and found the interesting part for you.
"By using this method,the magnetic flux distribution in the permanent magnet end portion,which is a magnetic pole change over portion in which change in magnetic flux distribution is large, is made smooth and hence the coging force can be reduced (refer to japanese patent provisional publication No 2000-350339 as patent document 1 )
How ever for the above described permanent magnet motor, the optimal radius of the arcuate shape has conventionally been determined empirically or on a trial and error basis. Therefor a study must be conducted for each motor."
Most permanent magnetic motors have the arch in a path equal to and outside the path of the rotor where this one has the path cross just behind the central shaft.If a number of arched stators were used it would be hand drawn like a flower to depict the pattern of circular paths. This patent would imply there is some merit to how the magnet fields are arranged by using magnets with shapes that do not work in the standard configuration to reduce coging effects. The fact that they used this on a normal electrically driven motor does not take away from the effects of the design or it's purpose. What you get out of it is on you.
personally i would to see publication No 2000-350339
Quote from: Doug1 on June 01, 2009, 10:01:14 AM
To what advantage or diss-advantage do you interpret the design of the mentioned patent design? How many oddities do you see compared to a normal servo motor with magnets only on the rotor or only on the stator?
I have no interest in the design. It is not an all permanent magnet motor and they make no claims that counter physical laws.
I dont understand your quest to challenge physical laws.There is a good chance not all the laws are known or some may not be completely correct since a number of them have exceptions or special conditions. Im sure the complete laws in their truest form are not such that they can be violated. Any provable massive discovery will be cautiously released after the scientific community has little doubt in the facts so they dont pull a mylow. Applications of fundamental change in understanding will be well after any useful development of it's use.
Explain fig 8 in the patent. U,V,W are not mentioned anywhere in reference to figure 8. Figure 8 does not look like what is being described.
Take shielding into account where one wraps a perm mag in tin or metal housing leaving only one open end. All these ends are not equally spaced to line up with the rotor magnets some are off set.The off set is also increasing incrementally so the relationship from stator piece to rotor piece is shifted a few more degrees compared to the next rotor magnet. Normally one would show a view of the windings on a couple pole pieces in a Pat draft and any special phase arangment. No winding are shown in this draft or any of it's images. Is that to enable fig 8 to slip through the cracks with out notice of absent windings. It would only appear to be odd if windings were present except for fig 8. No at all windings would make it easier to slip an image through.
Quote from: Doug1 on June 01, 2009, 01:10:23 PM
Explain fig 8 in the patent. U,V,W are not mentioned anywhere in reference to figure 8. Figure 8 does not look like what is being described.
Take shielding into account where one wraps a perm mag in tin or metal housing leaving only one open end. All these ends are not equally spaced to line up with the rotor magnets some are off set.The off set is also increasing incrementally so the relationship from stator piece to rotor piece is shifted a few more degrees compared to the next rotor magnet. Normally one would show a view of the windings on a couple pole pieces in a Pat draft and any special phase arangment. No winding are shown in this draft or any of it's images. Is that to enable fig 8 to slip through the cracks with out notice of absent windings. It would only appear to be odd if windings were present except for fig 8. No at all windings would make it easier to slip an image through.
UVW is showing a 3 phase related stator winding and the X and the Dot are simply winding directions up to down and down to up. The whole scheme shows how each phase would be wound from one 3 section to the other in three continuous wires. Alternator stators use a similar scheme then get rectified to DC output. I've seen a guy selling magnet rotor alternators on ebay going back years. I am puzzled as to why they would patent this since there are so many others. If this was really advantageous, it would have hit the market with a major bang already.
Check HJ's patent is much more interesting.
What is a Neo tipped Alnico 8.
@wattsup
so how is your Mylow replication going. I think it only fair that you give a report (good or bad) how your replication went. You flammed a lot of people and made a lot of claims yourself. We all have memories.
Mark
U.S. Gov report n demagnitizing in DC motors http://www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cppr/y2001/rpt/121931.pdf
The above link was done with 18 poles, I cannot and will not confirm 16 poles was reccomended to us.gov.
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