Hi everyone,
First, please allow me to introduce myself since this is my first post here. I've always considered myself to be somewhat of an independent thinker - I've always relied on my own personal findings above all else when deciding whats true or not. In fact - I've had to toss out and rebuild my entire framework of understanding of the universe I live in, in order to incorporate a fact that disagrees with the pre-existing paradigm that I have no choice but to accept is true based on personal experience.
One great thinker once said that if you look back upon history - it turns out that about half of what was believed to be true at any given time was inacurate or just plain false. So what about today? Why shouldnt this hold true today?
In that regard, I try to be open minded about this world we live in...
Anyway, on to my post..
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So, I've been reading this forum from the sidelines for a while now - I've also read a fair amount of general information on the subject and consider myself to be conceptually competant when it comes to what you folks have been up to with regards to TPU replication. (By the way, excellent work so far, you folks may not think it but you are true heros working towards a noble cause of tantamount proportions)
However, the threads for this project are somewhat nebulous - there are various translation issues and posts in response to other posts where the users speak as though the reader is clear on exactly what's being referred to. This leads to some threads where a lot of good information is only really useful to those people who are right at the core of this project.
What I was hoping to acomplish with this thread is to summarize the progress - to help newer folks interested in this area to jump in and help tackle some of the ongoing issues. So I hope we can summarize what angles are being tested right now and why - what directions this is being approcached by.. what challenges have been surpassed and what remains in the way of replicating a fully working TPU.
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I know there's been some discussion of a system of control to keep a TPU from overloading
There's also been talk of issues with overheating in SM's working TPU's...
Issues with # of coils / # of frequencies / spatial arrangement of coils producing desired results.
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Anyway, hopefully someone deeply entrenched in the thick of this project can take some time out and boil down the progress on this project for us who arnt so up-to-speed.
Thanks for your time!
Cheers,
Phantasm,
This is a great idea but you realize that there are no working TPU's not just here but anywhere. The issue's you talk about are the same issues that we have had all along. Until we get something to actually work the idea of keeping it from overloading is moot. Overheating? would an actually working TPU overheat? The issue with coils, frequency's, arrangements etc. your guess is as good as anyone else's, because no one knows. It's all a guess!
Quote from: Room3327 on March 25, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
Phantasm,
This is a great idea but you realize that there are no working TPU's not just here but anywhere.
OFC, I was hoping for a snapshot of what the current theories are about exactly whats known to be going on here with magnetic fields and their interaction with eachother and their environment and how that produces a harnessable effect within the TPU
So again, I was hoping to discuss theory - I realize that this is a forum for people working on replicating TPU's and not so much for theory but I thought: Where better to go to see what people think about how this thing works than the people who're trying to build them...
Quote from: Room3327 on March 25, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
The issue's you talk about are the same issues that we have had all along. Until we get something to actually work the idea of keeping it from overloading is moot.
Moot or not, I still think its something thats worth understanding - even if ahead of time
Quote from: Room3327 on March 25, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
Overheating? would an actually working TPU overheat?
Again, this is one of those things that falls into the 'nice to know' area. I dont think its too outlandish to consider that it might get hot over time.
Quote from: Room3327 on March 25, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
The issue with coils, frequency's, arrangements etc. your guess is as good as anyone else's, because no one knows. It's all a guess!
Well, as far as I see it, there are 3 ways to approach the guess, Experimentation and observation of results, Understanding of the dynamics of the elements of the environment at play here (Magnetic fields and their interaction & co-interaction) and finally, Replication of purportedly working models based on known examples.
There are already quantifiable results in each of those 3 categories scattered all throught this forum, throughout the myriad research articles, patents, and various other publications... I was just hoping we could sort of... bring it together for a moment, set a milestone and keep going.
I mean, again - this may not be the right forum for that sort of thing - If thats the case... Sorry about the spam :\
Thanks for your consideration otherwise,
:)
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When you see what must be seen then you will know.
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DITTO.
And the best advice one can receive is:
Let no one, I mean, NO ONE TELL YOU "NO" or 'YOU CAN'T' or 'IT CAN'T BE DONE!'
Believe in possibilities not prejudices.
--giantkiller.
Well out of the three ways of replication here is what you get:
Blind experimentation: Nothing. If the basic workings of a tpu were common and the result was easy to achieve then we would see unintentional use of this effect in devices not designed for it. Other than the accounts of old TVs exploding there is nothing. So we must conclude that the design must be specific and deliberate to use the forces that cause power generation.
Understanding the underlying physics: Sure, if you can do that then it should be reasonable to produce such a device, but other than blind speculation and pseudoscientific rants we don't have much to work with. If you find a bit of theory that seems solid and supports the idea then run with it.
Copying successful devices: Well we know that they are some form of toroidal coil. We know that Steven Mark obfuscated the actual workings of the device as much as possible and that he only told investors little tidbits of information within the misinformation. Don't believe everything written about the device, believe your eyes, watch the videos, but understand that anything spoken or written is at best a half truth.
I have a very crude theory about the device, but so far it hasn't stood up to experimentation. I will continue my experimentation though and if nothing else I hope to have a new transformer design.
I have been reading about the TPU
I totally agree with this .
When I started getting interrested in the OU stuff I read about a few inventions , the TPU was one of them . After seeing the info that was out there it was pretty obvious to me that this was gonna be nearly impossible for me to replicate . Theres just not enough info out there for me to feed on , theres no MEAT ...
Realistically , the odds of a normal person getting this to work is slim . Also , I find the benefits of such technology even tho its OU , I find it is very limited compared to other technology wich is multi-adaptable like the Stan Meyers tech .
And my judgement was right , no progress has been done , the TPU name has been tainted , a bunch of randomly made ugly looking coils were made and that was the end of that , it didnt work ... And thats probably what I would have done myself , an ugly looking waste of time .
Quote from: dankie on March 31, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Realistically , the odds of a normal person getting this to work is slim . Also , I find the benefits of such technology even tho its OU , I find it is very limited compared to other technology wich is multi-adaptable like the Stan Meyers tech .
If you had a device that put out 20kw for free, you would not need any of Meyer's technology.
You could go all-electric. No more ICE, no fuel at all. ;)
Let 'em drink milk.
GK
Well in Dankies case[being 16 yrs old ] you are definitely right
He has to get some wisdom , Not just smarts
Chet
GK
seeing your post below
I originally felt the same way [impressed][still am but he is a single minded kid][Stan Meyers ]
Hopefully he reads[your comment] and respects others and their pursuits
Commendable to be here so young.
Just means a lesser amount of recallable learned patterns than the rest of us.
That is all communication is. We never truly come up with anything new on our own.
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hi everyone
its me again ;D
all we need to know is the ARRANGEMENT OF THE COIL 8)
can anyone share the arrangement it should be efficient that even relay vibrator will work! ;)
otits ;D