Here's another idea I had in mind:
http://ziosproject.com/NJ/LLm3.gif
It's quite simple. The magnets come out of the shielding and attract until they meet each other. The shielding then takes over and makes them invincible from each other. And the process repeats. This might synchronize it self, not really sure about that.
Disadvantage: eddy currents.
Hi,
See this thread and my comments there in the bottom: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2029.0
a similar concept with one wheel: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4082969
and: http://www.google.com/patents?id=qv8wAAAAEBAJ
Maybe you remember Helmut Goebkes setup, was also with two counter rotating wheels, see here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,828.msg8155.html#msg8155
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on March 29, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
Hi,
See this thread and my comments there in the bottom: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2029.0
a similar concept with one wheel: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4082969
and: http://www.google.com/patents?id=qv8wAAAAEBAJ
Maybe you remember Helmut Goebkes setup, was also with two counter rotating wheels, see here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,828.msg8155.html#msg8155
rgds, Gyula
Yep almost similar ideas. Low-q should have used attraction in his setup to overcome that coging issue. If you take my setup the magnets will attract each other but once they are near the shield they will be pulled in by the shield as well. So there should be enough kinetic energy. But this is just garbage. Because I don't plan on building it and seeing the trend on this forum no one else will. I just felt like sharing it.
nice concept. but, i am seeing a problem with this. if the shielding would draw the magnets in, then how do they exit?
again, it's a nice concept. keep up the good work.
dupication
If the two halves doesn't work separately, they will not work as pair.
You must imagine how the magnets affects eachother without the shield, and then how they are separately affected by the shield.
Find the equilibrium in both cases and measure the "force x distance" in each case in both directions. If these adds up in other that zero, you can try to make a prototype.
Case1: The magnets alone will have its equilibrium when they are closest, and wants to stay there.
Case2: The magnets will find equilibrium in the middle of the shielding, and wants to stay there.
None of these separate cases have any net force left that will make the magnets start spinning.
So the sum is that the whole system will not work. 0 + 0 is 0. It is very irritating, but making the magnets "busy" with the shielding instead of eachother, doesnt change anything - unfortunatly :-\.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on March 30, 2009, 08:45:13 AM
If the two halves doesn't work separately, they will not work as pair.
You must imagine how the magnets affects eachother without the shield, and then how they are separately affected by the shield.
Find the equilibrium in both cases and measure the "force x distance" in each case in both directions. If these adds up in other that zero, you can try to make a prototype.
Case1: The magnets alone will have its equilibrium when they are closest, and wants to stay there.
Case2: The magnets will find equilibrium in the middle of the shielding, and wants to stay there.
None of these separate cases have any net force left that will make the magnets start spinning.
So the sum is that the whole system will not work. 0 + 0 is 0. It is very irritating, but making the magnets "busy" with the shielding instead of eachother, doesnt change anything - unfortunatly :-\.
Vidar
The shielding then works in both ways. If the magnet wants to go towards the middle of the shield as you describe then this is energy gain as it accelerates meaning when it goes out it has to give this energy back. So your point is a bit mute. The real energy gain is due to the attraction of the magnets not the attraction of the shielding which is indeed equilibrium.
Quote from: broli on March 30, 2009, 08:48:40 AM
The shielding then works in both ways. If the magnet wants to go towards the middle of the shield as you describe then this is energy gain as it accelerates meaning when it goes out it has to give this energy back. So your point is a bit mute. The real energy gain is due to the attraction of the magnets not the attraction of the shielding which is indeed equilibrium.
You might be right, but it is hard to imagine the real deal if you don't look at the forces separately. The attraction between the magnets change with a present shielding. And the attraction to the shielding changes with the other magnet. These changes corresponds perfectly, and there is no net change done in the system that will benifit one force more than the other force.
Together the change is that the magnets will still attract even a quite a bit into the shielding, because the magnetic flux still see an easy way to complete the loop via the other magnet - in the area where the shield is at the closest. This flux is going through the shielding, jumps over to the other shielding and into the magnet there. This counterforce perfectly balance the force in "attraction area" when th magnets are in open air.
You can allways try it though.
Vidar
duplication
I guess making a shield is not that hard. One could buy 25kg of iron powder and just poor it into a mold or w/e to get any shape you like. It might make a mess if you are near magnets with this powder ;D.
Quote from: broli on March 30, 2009, 09:31:21 AM
I guess making a shield is not that hard. One could buy 25kg of iron powder and just poor it into a mold or w/e to get any shape you like. It might make a mess if you are near magnets with this powder ;D.
You are making life hard. Have you studied Gyulasun's post eight messages back?
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 30, 2009, 09:53:18 AM
You are making life hard. Have you studied Gyualasun's post eight messages back?
Paul.
What do you want me to say about it?
I am not sure, but last time I checked there is nothing that can shield a magnet unless you use another magnet but that will afffect your magnet on the wheel, or a super conducter and you will have to cool that to absolute zero
Quote from: tournamentdan on April 09, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
I am not sure, but last time I checked there is nothing that can shield a magnet unless you use another magnet but that will afffect your magnet on the wheel, or a super conducter and you will have to cool that to absolute zero
If freezing is the key to a working OU-machine, then it should be easy to make a selfsustaining powerplant on Pluto :) - 190
oC, could make different materials superconducting.
Quote from: Low-Q on April 10, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
If freezing is the key to a working OU-machine, then it should be easy to make a selfsustaining powerplant on Pluto :) - 190 oC, could make different materials superconducting.
I am sorry I should have made my comment more clear. To cool something to absolute zero would consume a lot of energy, most likely more than you would create. Sorry, took it for granted most people would know that. ::)
Quote from: tournamentdan on April 10, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
I am sorry I should have made my comment more clear. To cool something to absolute zero would consume a lot of energy, most likely more than you would create. Sorry, took it for granted most people would know that. ::)
Btw, I'm not that sure someone want to travel to Pluto just for this experiment. You need lots of energy, and lots of balls to do this.
Anyway, if it requires energy to cool down, this energy can be taken back from the cooled system - if the system is selfrunning, and have energy left to cool itself down...
vidar