Hi all,
i had just running my 300 ccm 6,5 HP Generator only by the HHO gas that my drycell is producing and posted a Video about it. Great joy cause i have been trying this since six month. The Generator is not such a good one and produces only 2,5kw usable electrical energy. The energy needed for producing 8 liters of gas was about 1050 Watts. The video shows the running with no load and is only a first step.
I have made also a test with 1200W load and it worked too, but not so good. Maybe i would need 1 - 2 Liters more for full load, but notice, for this first test i did not change the ignition timing. The Gas was produced by 50 chambers at 24 Volt and was flowing trough two bubblers and trough a Flashbackarrestor, coming out of a 6mm tube directly into the Carburetor.
The video that Stefan posted showed me, that with a changed ignition timing i can certainly drop my gas usage too and that's my next step. So i don't want trying to produce more gas to make another test but instead change the timing and then make another video. And then i would certainly take away the plastikbottle and show you my drycell too while working.
But have a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTFVW8w8bjI
Greets
woodpecker
Quite impressive!
:)
Can't wait to see some more videos...
Woodpecker
GREAT STUFF!!
Wonderful to have your results posted for all to see
Very encouraging
Thank you
Chet
PS Woodpecker please look at this very cool experimenter HHo,Electron extraction ,plasma ,etc
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fastimports3&view=videos
Curious Woody. What is a 'dry cell'?
Woodpecker started a thread ,Drycell goes to Austria
Complete instructions and cheap building tips on Drycell
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5788.30
Chet
@Woodpecker
Very nice, amazing and promissing work. Bravo!
It is the first time I hear about this strange 'dry cell'.
I guess that you are using the 'brute force'. I mean: no 'pulsed resonant' DC (like Meyer).
Just few questions please:
Why are you utilizing 24 Volts?
I have purchased one of these 4 strokes 2.5 KW generator. It has a 220 Volts AC output and
also a 12 volt DC output that can be used (I guess) to charge a battery. For the moment this engine
is still waiting in his millboard box for some experiments... :-\
Do you absolutely need 24 volts DC? With 12 volts You could use the generator to recharge the bat
and have a water running generator while, perhaps, getting some extra AC energy from it ???
BTW: sorry for my naive question but: why is it called a 'dry' cell?
You use water and electrolyte in it. Do you? Or I am missing something ???
Very Best
@NerzhDishual
QuoteIt is the first time I hear about this strange 'dry cell'.
I guess that you are using the 'brute force'. I mean: no 'pulsed resonant' DC (like Meyer).
Just few questions please:
Why are you utilizing 24 Volts?
as Ramset said, on my thread "Drycell goes to Austria" you will find on page 5 posting from 08.02.09 the plan for the construction of the cell.
There is also a video at youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DJDKYXmIWM
I am using 24 Volts, because i have solarpannels working on 24 V and also a Batt.charger on 24 V, so it´s easier for me and i have not to make to much powerconnections. But you can do it at 12 V as well.
Drycell is just the name that have been used, but of course there is water in it. Panaceauniversity.org call it: "openbath flooded cell"
It needs only about 0,5% of Elektrolyte (KOH)
Quoteand have a water running generator while, perhaps, getting some extra AC energy from it Huh
As i wrote, for running under full load, i gues that i would need 1-2 liters more gas, and/or change the ignition timing, so this would need about 1200-1400 Watt of Energy. My Generator is producing about 2500 Watt of energy, so there is extra AC energy of at least 1000 Watt and do not forget the heat energy that the engine is producing and that we could use as well, for heating!
Please have a look at www.panaceauniversity.org, too,these ar wonderful people and the have lots of informations, not only on hydroxy!
@ramset, what about the heater?? You wanted to text me, but i havent got anything?
G woodpecker
The term drycell is used because the cell is not submerged in the water/electrolyte (a.k.a. wet cell) but the cell completely encloses the water/electrolyte in itself.
@Woodpecker
This is a great video! Yes, if you change your timing you should get better results. You want to delay the firing, closer to TDC (top dead center). If you are starting on gasoline then gonna switch to your HHO, you will probably will want to have an adjustable controller as it will not run right with the timing delayed when on gasoline. Looking forward to your next video! Are you going to connect the generator to your house grid? That should spin your electric meter backwards! I haven't built the drycell yet, was working on some windmill stuff.
Mark
QuoteIf you are starting on gasoline then gonna switch to your HHO, you will probably will want to have an adjustable controller as it will not run right with the timing delayed when on gasoline.
Mark, have a look at the videolink, Stefan has posted in "Car runs on HHO" they too have delayed the ignition timing and could start quite easy.
But where could i get a adjustable device. I know the change of the timing is not such an easy thing and any motor is a little bit different. That's why i sad we would need experienced Peoples in this, to show us how we can change it in a simple way. I already needed two month to get my capacitor ignition running with the Hallsensor and now i would nee some time to hook it to the motor. A Speciallist would do this in 5 minutes.
woodpecker
@Woodpecker
Thanks a lot for your precious information.
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/ (http://www.panaceauniversity.org/) is on my favourite site list.
I should consult it more often. :P
I have downloaded the Hydroxy Boosters.pdf file.
This device sounds like a real breakthrough!
0.5 % of Electrolyte is really amazing.
What about trying to run your generator with few gasoline and not *only* on HHO???.
You would not need to modify the ignition timing and, in the long run ,your motor
would be more happy...
About one year ago, I wrote an article in a French fringe magazine about a guys who
managed to get more than 75% of fuel consumption saving.
BTW: he his still trying to get an "official acknowledgment" before putting his device on the
market. I wish him an infinite patience. ;D
AS you can speak French, may I suggest you this process server affidavit
(constat d'huissier) : http://freenrg.info/UTOPIATECH/PROCES_VERBAL_2.pdf (http://freenrg.info/UTOPIATECH/PROCES_VERBAL_2.pdf)
Very Best
@NerzhDishual
QuoteWhat about trying to run your generator with few gasoline and not *only* on HHO???.
You would not need to modify the ignition timing and, in the long run ,your motor
would be more happy...
You are right, this could also be done, 90 % gas and 10 % fuel and the motor would be thankful:-))
The reason for my low Electrolyte concentration is foam that the electrolyte creates and this empties the cell, so efficiency is better with very low concentration.
woodpecker
Ok Woody, so the term 'Drycell' is a complete misnomer - I assumed you had some kind of electrolytic paste or semiconductor between the plates. Drycell would be a great name if it was actually a dry cell. Guess it's a great name if you enjoy being continually asked: What is a 'drycell'?
As for timing, I would expect a simple small generator to have a fixed (unadjustable) factory setting for a specific hydrocarbon fuel as the revs won't change to any great degree.
On an old car engine with a dizzy it's quite easy to alter the ignition timing with the aid of a vacuum gauge. You would simply retard the timing to get the best vacuum on hydroxy. It will still start and run on petrol, but power would be down as the slower burning fuel would be igniting too late for maximum piston thrust (ie. the piston would already be on its way down the cylinder when the petrol is just igniting).
And, forget about any imploding nonsense that some folks in their ignorance will no doubt bring up at some point.
Farrah Day
Woodpecker didn't chose the name for the cell
He shared with us how to make one very cheaply [not in quality just cost]
You are correct ,the name is misleading
Chet
@Farrah Day,
yes my Generator have a unjustable factory setting so i must change the timing by replacing the old ignition through a new one with a Hallsensor. Hope in some days i can test it.
woodpecker
@Farrah day, There use to be a video of the guy's that claimed to have invented the drycell at www.energybuilders.net, Perhaps its still there now.
hi all,
just my two cents, the first one who has worked this cell out was tero ranta after inspiration from bob boyse, just to clear this up. this must be here somewhere in the forum stefan knows probably where.
I also have running a 1 Kw generator on a version of this cell just with 13 plates = two times 6 with the middle on positive and the two outside on negative 12V.
greetings
walt
Quote from: Spewing on April 01, 2009, 02:09:15 AM
@Farrah day, There use to be a video of the guy's that claimed to have invented the drycell at www.energybuilders.net, Perhaps its still there now.
@ Wood,
There are timing delay devices available for purchase through automotive performance companies, such as Summit Racing and Jegs. (www.summitracing.com www.jegs.com). My only concern is that they may not have one to work exactly for your application, since your generator is most likely only one or two cylinders. The smallest they may have is for a four cylinder but maybe with someone who know electronics, they could make it work. Or they may have one that could work. Since I do not know much about generators and specifically the type you have, I am guessing it is a set timing that doesn't have any adjustments. But it is possible to get an adjust able delay box to work, we just need someone who has this expertise to help out.
Mark
Woody, I would imagine that the ignition system on a small genny must be very basic. If it's only a one cylinder affair then it will obviously not even have a distributor.
I've never even looked closely at a genny, but I would have thought there would be a fairly simple way to modify the ignition system so that fires later. Might just need a bit of considered improvisation.
Good luck with it.
@walter, aha, from this corner it was comming, very interesting, you know, when i made my first cell, i had no plan or design, i had only a shor thandycam video where i could see such a cell from outside, and i had no idea from hum it originally was. So thank you for this information!
You have a Generator too, running with the gas! Maybe you could do a Video too. I think it is important that as much people as possible show their experiments now.
@Farrah Day, Mark, for the moment i will just try out my selve made Ignition, with the Hall on the right place. I now sombody who is experienced in bikes and carts who can help me a little bit.
woodpecker
@woodpeacker
Das Ding liefert schon mal das Gas soviel , wie es auch verbraucht ??
ist das richtig ??
Dann haben Sie mindest dieselbe Energie als OVERUNITY !!
Bemerkt das niemand.?
Ist doch ganz einfach...
Sie erzeugen MINDEST nochmal 1000 Watt Wärme
und kein schädliches Abgas.
Gratuliere.
(Wie sieht es aus mit 5 Zellen a 240Volt DC? Ist doch
vielleicht einfacher...)
Pese
Translation.
YIU HAVE OVERUNITY , also if you not find additionally electric power!
Why?
Because yout generator work with losses !!
If they produce 1000 Watt (to create the Gas) you produce
(possibly?) about 50% losses that turned to heat.
IF the Implosion (explosion?) produce heat.
So you produce additionalle 1000Watt heat (without dangerous exaust).
If so . that is great
Pese
Quote from: woodpecker on March 31, 2009, 06:51:04 PM
@Farrah Day,
yes my Generator have a unjustable factory setting so i must change the timing by replacing the old ignition through a new one with a Hallsensor. Hope in some days i can test it.
woodpecker
There are modification kits for tractors (lawn) that allow you to change to a coil from a magneto, includes all pickups and parts.
@Pese,
Ja so ist es, von der Wärmeenergie hatte ich schon geschrieben im Post vom:
Quote31.3. As i wrote, for running under full load, i gues that i would need 1-2 liters more gas, and/or change the ignition timing, so this would need about 1200-1400 Watt of Energy. My Generator is producing about 2500 Watt of energy, so there is extra AC energy of at least 1000 Watt and do not forget the heat energy that the engine is producing and that we could use as well, for heating!
wenn man da jetzt statt einem Verbrennungsmotor noch einen Stirling anhängen würde, dann wäre das Ganze noch effizienter!
Transation: .. and using the gas with a Stirlingengine the whole ting would be even more efficient!
G woodpecker