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Title: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Cherryman on April 07, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
I found this site and i like the concept. So i share my idear as well.

Excuse my english, i hope i use the right technical terms.
Fortunatly i'm not bothered by any knoledge (No, i'm not a politician), so here it is:


It's based on gravitation and (possible levitation) and rotating force.

See the attached image.

In the perspective view you have:

A:  Fixed ball rail
B: A levelrod
C: Scoop to pick up the ball ( This might can be skipped)


At the front view you have

1: The Ball falls down by gravtiy
2: The fixed rail picks up the ball and due to rotating force and the smaller curve it will accallerate and fly up. At the same time it is disconnected from the flywheels, so the lifting isn't influencing the cycle.
3A: At low speed the ball will drop into the scoop attached to the levelrob (B) and because the radius is smaller and already lifted a small part, it will be pulled over the axel by the levelrod (B)
3B:  With enough speed the ball will skip 3A and fly straight into the right side of the wheel to start falling again.. etc.. etc..

This setup would need a starting push.

And you will have to connect a few of them in series, so you can overcome the dead moments. I will place a picture of that too.

So, what do you think?  Do I see them flying   ;)  Or could this be a start of a project?

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Fojid95.gif&hash=7b96efbe0f68994796977406316e506c49b41de2)

Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Cherryman on April 07, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
I forgot to mention that every "unit" has only one ball inside, and due to the serial setup, the next unit lifts the other unit.

Hope i make any sence   ;D
Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: mr_bojangles on April 07, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
this took me a moment to figure out


basically, wheel and scoops" rorate

curved ramp or "fixed rail" doesn't move

balls move, but not in accordance of the speed of the wheel


is this being run by the kinetic energy of the falling weights?
is it an overbalance of the wheel due to using 3 balls instead of one or 2
so after initially spinning it the balls movement keeps the wheel turning?

even if all the energy is used by the momentum of the ball falling, it will still only be able to return to the same height it was dropped from

this is the problem with all "gravity wheel" type devices, a weight dropping takes the exact amount of energy to return it back to the original height


thats all i got right now


nice visuals though

interesting idea

why not build it?


until next time

Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Cherryman on April 07, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
Tnx for the input, i did indeed wasn't that clear about the amount of balls, every unit has its own, See the attached picture.


Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Cherryman on April 07, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
Its just a concept drawing, the basic idea behind it is:

Use the energy in the ball (Gravitational and rotary) to lift it independently from the main wheel, Slingshot it and reuse it whit gravity.
So you have the ball force only helping turning the wheel, taking the load off (or minimizing)  the wheel on the way up.

Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Low-Q on April 08, 2009, 05:32:50 AM
Some basics:

It takes the same energy to lift 1kg one meter stright up, as it take to lift 1kg one meter via another path. That is what's happening in that wheel - whether you have 1 og a million balls in it. Nice drawing, but it does not work.

Vidar
Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Phantasm on April 08, 2009, 07:18:26 AM
The energy available to shoot the ball up the fixed rail is absorbed by pushing the wheel around its rotation -- the ball is slowed during its descent.

But please correct me if I've missed something..

Title: Re: K.A.D. Concept, Could this work?
Post by: Cherryman on April 08, 2009, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: Phantasm on April 08, 2009, 07:18:26 AM
The energy available to shoot the ball up the fixed rail is absorbed by pushing the wheel around its rotation -- the ball is slowed during its descent.

But please correct me if I've missed something..



As long as it is not working.. I don't correct anyone  ;D

But it seems to have some enthausiastics ... we will see.. 

Not sure what i do with this topic, because we talk about the K.A.D System nou over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7150.150;topicseen