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Title: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: Cherryman on April 14, 2009, 05:07:55 PM
Just wondering if you also see tax or other new laws that implicate that they are already rebuilding the system to be ensured of income.

For example, i live in The Netherlands and we see some major changes in energy supply.

1. They divided the energy bill in A.: The amount of u use. B. Being connected to the grid.

A. Understandable, nothing new.

B. This you have to pay always, whatever u use (or not) just to be connected to the grid. Did we normally only pay a few euro for the connection, now they suddenly raised it with approx. 400% !!!!
I think they are already preparing for the fact that our energy consumption from the grid can drastically be lowered by new inventions (Solar, wind, HHo whatever)  But not many people will totally uncut themself from the grid. So now they are raising the Price of the grid enormously!

2. They want to take the roadtax out of the gasoline, and let you pay by the amount of road u use.  I think this is also a way to be able to tax the vehicles not operated by the usual fuels.

I did see some topic here about the meters that we have from the energy suppliers.  Here in The Netherlands we use mostly the "old" analogue turning meters.. Now they wanted to force us the use of the new digital types. These types measure everything u do and send that information directly to you're energy provider.  A lot of people where against it, and fortunately it has been stopped (for now)

The funny thing is..  Those digital meters are capable of many (unwanted)  things...  except: Measuring if you re-provided energies (solar, wind)  This is allowed in the Netherlands (You will have to apply for permission).  But those new meters are NOT capable off measuring that!  They measure when you shower, toilet etc...   

I do find it at least "curious" that of all the applications, the one the person could benefit from, was "technically" not possible....  Year right! 




I understand that they have to "collect" money for the hobby's of the politicians, but they always sell those renewals with some bullshit reason, and never tell that is is just to keep robbing you're pockets.

Does you're country also starts shifting in the way they tax energy? 



Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 15, 2009, 03:22:40 AM
Interesting view point. Another one for the bag: When you fly, you pay more for the airport taxes than you do for the flight itself!
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: greendoor on April 15, 2009, 04:05:16 AM
Yup.  I live in New Zealand, and we have been forced to the wireless power meters that use cell-phone technology so the power supplier can dial in and extract the data.  We also get charged a "line rental" fee, and the power we use is additional.  (So they get paid even if I use no power at all). 

However - that could backfire on them.  A new internet based provider has started a service where we can buy power online - with no fixed charges.  I haven't switched yet, but I will probably have to.  I've recently installed solar hot water heating panels, and it's starting to irk me that my power bill hasn't gone done as much as I would hope. 

I'm fairly sure these moves are based on the fact that many New Zealanders are becoming energy cost consciouse, and are finding ways to reduce the power bill.  (Better insulation, solar, heat pumps - etc).  So while these are conventional free-energy devices, I don't think anyone really expects an overunity device to succeed anytime soon.  It will take everyone by suprise if a real free energy device gets to market.  But fortunately technologies like solar hot water, photovoltaic solar cells, wind power and heat pumps are paving the way for free energy to become acceptable.  I'm amazed that heat pumps don't raise more eyebrows due to their free-energy nature.  They are amazingly close to a Perpetual Motion of the Second Kind -  and yet the terminology has been euphemised to make the concept acceptable.  If they close the loop and make these things self-powered, that will be a logical next step.  (Don't believe it can be done?  Then check out the established Minto Wheel concept - it's 100% possible).  If the technology used in state-of-the-art heatpumps was applied to something like the Minto Wheel, we could have free energy sooner than we think.  The perfect solution to global warming! 

But yes - I suspect the governments know these things are coming, and are preparing to gather tax by whatever means they can.  The only certain things being death, etc, etc,


Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: Brian Coats on April 15, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
There is no High Demand for electrical energy right now which is why they have added a "Gas Fuel Charge" to our bills and replaced your meter with a wireless one. Others have Different Charges. The way the utility company's Operate has been changed Due to the economy conserving and compisating to save money. 

No matter how many ways you find to Decrease your spend rate in electrical power they will always try to balance it out with some ignorant charge. If it was to get worse and you find you cant afford to have your tv on, you will be deemed to pay the equal price as you was paying before.


I find lately that its hard to keep the garbage taken out, The price of the garbage bags here is not ideal. The way around it is buy an Tupper Can, fill it up and dump it into the Main Can which the Garbage company requires us to use. This would require you to purchase an Mobil can 1 time, and unload it into the bigger 3 foot main can at the street. This would save you the hassle of having to shop for garbage bags and the cost of the bags, "rip off." In the end you have learned to Compisate, save, they'll find another fee for the bill at the end of the month. To date we pay about 10 to 12 dollars for them picking up our garbage a month Not including the bags which usually comes by the 10n's and 20n's, and 40's if you're rich, If you conserve it will go up.
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: Thaelin on April 20, 2009, 10:38:11 AM
   You could disconnect from the grid. If I do it, I get an eviction notice. Hows that.
That is why I am looking to move into an older RV and make it a fully off grid system.
No hook up, no meter, no nothing. There are ways!

thaelin
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: X00013 on April 20, 2009, 02:21:55 PM
I purchased land in New Hampshire. Designed and plan d this home to be extremely efficient and off the grid. ICF frame, passive solar, real solar, and turbine power, with hydro power running thru property. The TAX man said it was so advanced and valuable that I would be paying such a high tax that it would save me money to be "on the grid". I said " you gotta be F?ckn kidding me?", he said "no Im not, its cheaper 4 u to b on the grid, my hands r tied, the building permit you seek would put your property at a value 5 times higher than a stick built on the grid", so theres your local, state, control you slave energy money effect in action!! In f?cking NH that holds first votes!!!
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: hansvonlieven on April 20, 2009, 03:01:55 PM
That's about the size of it X00013,

Here in Sydney we had a bit of a water shortage about 2 years ago because of prolonged drought. So they put us on water restrictions, you couldn't wash your car, you couldn't water your garden and so forth. If you were caught there were heavy fines.

Next thing they put the price of water up arguing they were selling less water and couldn't make ends meet with the revenue.

Now some might argue fair enough, just bad luck.

Except for one thing.

Two years later the dams are full, we are still on water restrictions and people are still getting fined for breaches and we are still paying inflated prices.

Whichever way you turn you just cannot win.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: HeairBear on April 20, 2009, 03:21:44 PM
You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip! If we all have no money, how can the world economy survive? Will we die if we have no money? My gut tells me it's only gonna get worse...

http://www.freewebs.com/simplesolarhomesteading/

http://www.homestead.org/

http://www.simondale.net/house/

Being my own slave seems more appealing to me!
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: hammuraby on April 25, 2009, 03:22:30 PM
for now a smartgrid in hi-voltage, whit a microgrid in low-voltage
in a "island" distribuited,
whit a accumulator (pomping water from sink)
between the two grid (smart, and micro)
as the picture.... and there is also a free energy, using a low DelTa-infinity natural termic
whit a hi efficency motor and generator....

but there is also a magician source of energy, look for PIEZONUCLEARE, prof.Cardona...
300Gr of iron clorine, make energy as 10Kg of uranium, and no (radiactivity) nuke-waste is made

a great world is caming....
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: AquariuZ on April 25, 2009, 07:04:06 PM
We all know what needs to be done.

I´m just dragging my feet dreading the inevitable.
Title: Re: Signs of youre goverment realising the free energy is coming
Post by: hammuraby on April 26, 2009, 06:01:27 AM
That is what will became... a smart grid, in the picture there is "only" a in island microgrid .
"We all know what needs to be done", but are you sure??.... that whit a low delta termich as 30C°
(infinite in nature) you can reach the OU,(using a gas expansion,  whit a hi performance motor on incame, and hi performance generator un the exit ??

and whit a surface water menagement, or rain collector (directly)- used also like accumulator (indirectly) for SUN energy. babylon garden....
more news will be caming...

"I´m just dragging my feet dreading the inevitable" .....sorry, but none better then this?? write...here in a picture, a solution to Africa !
where there is a lot energy, and more necessity of energy .

Sangalli Mirco Milan
milano expo 2015 (energy and hungry) + water is a solution! PUBBLIC !!