I live just a stones throw away from the US Border.
I stopped crossing because I saw the writing on the wall...and knew it was just a matter of time before what you will see on this video happened to me.
Hear what they did to this Baptist pastor here..
http://www.infowars.com/baptist-pastor-says-he-was-tased-beaten-by-border-patrol/
And its going to get Nazi Germany uglier too...get out while you can.
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And this is what these sicko's have in store for America's designated "rebels"...its just a matter of time.
Bush Torture Memo Approved Use of Insects
" The Bush Administration approved the use of "insects placed in a confinement box" during the interrogation of top Al Qaeda official Abu Zubaydah, according to a 2002 document that President Obama declassified for release Thursday. "
More disgusting details here...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1891812,00.html
Regards...
Probable cause connotes ....
"You farted, you must be arrested for bio terrorism."
...BTW, this is the kind of religious person that's the cause of the persecution of Christians. It's an auto exacerbating situation. He ( the beaten guy ) really should look at this as a test of God. ...imo.
...He's near the border. He's resilient, and he's not cooperating with people trying to keep the scene safe.
Someone should tell the arresting officers that a person has the right to remain silent as soon as that person believes that arrest is taking place.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 16, 2009, 08:23:19 PM
I live just a stones throw away from the US Border.
I stopped crossing because I saw the writing on the wall...and knew it was just a matter of time before what you will see on this video happened to me.
Stay in Mexico then... ;)
" ...BTW, this is the kind of religious person that's the cause of the persecution of Christians. It's an auto exacerbating situation. He ( the beaten guy ) really should look at this as a test of God. ...imo.
...He's near the border. He's resilient, and he's not cooperating with people trying to keep the scene safe. "
I certainly hope you are not insinuating that the victim is at fault here jadaro.
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I have no reason to cross the border.If i do it will be to leave where i am and not to visit where i am not.
Obama ruled out prosecutions against those who had been involved. It is a "time for reflection, not retribution," he said.
" it is our intention to assure those who carrying out their duties relying in good faith upon the legal advice from the department of justice that they will not be subject to prosecution."
Anthony Romero, the ACLU executive director, said: "President Obama's assertion that there should not be prosecutions of government officials who may have committed crimes before a thorough investigation has been carried out is simply untenable."
Echoing the president, the attorney-general, Eric Holder, reiterated that there would be no prosecution of CIA operatives working within the guidelines set by the Bush administration."It would be unfair to prosecute dedicated men and women working to protect America for conduct that was sanctioned in advance by the justice department," Holder said.
The ACLU described the legal basis for torture as spurious.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/16/torture-memos-bush-administration
If the defense that "I was just following orders" wasn't considered a defense fot the Nazi's at the Nurenberg Trials...how then can it be considered to be a valid defense now ???
Maybe its because the Nazi's were not in control then, as the modern day Nazi's now.
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Assholes work on feedback mechanisms - they lust for it. IF those cops were assholes, and the priest was being an asshole, then the whole situation is going to turn out to be asinine.
It's debatable whether he was able to assert his 4th amendment rights - he refused to answer questions, it's debatable that he thought he was under arrest.
If he thought he was under arrest, then he didn't have to say anything. ..but he had to act like he was under arrest.
If one of those questions was, are you a citizen, do you have identification? and he refused to answer it ...then there's a problem ascertaining whether or not he even has 4th amendment rights.
..btw, if this is why you stopped crossing the border, where the heck are you? And where the heck are you that you have any more rights or are where there are any more protections than here.
If there are no protections here, then where is there that there are any period? Canada? ..that's a big fat joke.
The fact of the matter is that there are thousands and thousands of people that cross both ways over the mexican border, mexican border guards are just as high-strung and southern border patrol officials.
I think it's laughable that they use dogs for an excuse; after everything I've read that you've posted lately, It seems like they don't need probable cause anymore. All they have to do is start the search, start the arrest, and things become and after-the-fact case against you.
Everything can be nullified by a jury, a prosecutor, or the judge - the due process is about discretion. The due process begin as soon as arrest begins, ...it's taken many supreme court ruling for enforcement and the judiciary to realize this,
but if there is a right to habeas corpus for the citizens ( which was suspended for people whom the government think are terrorists ( another joke at an activist's expense), as well as for non citizen's ) ...the the due process starts with the acts which cause the probable cause, so, it is the initiators of those acts which invoke the right to the due process. This would be the aresting persons and the arrested.
Citizens may make arrests. Law enforcement may make arrests. When a citizen makes an arrest, it is usually due to action between the two. When law enforcement makes arrest, it's on behalf of the people. Arrests aren't made on behalf of the government, per se, it is usually on behalf of the people, the people ARE the government. Rarely will a citizen legally make the arrest, they'll call an officer to do it while holding them there. In the mounds of paper work, there is rarely a non-law enforcement citizen that completes the process of arresting someone.
Since law enforcement, military, and government workers are afforded certain protections that civilians are not, it can be argued that we are not equal under the law.
If two people fight, and one is an officer, undercover, etc, the officer can attempt to have the other thrown in jail for life. This protection is not afforded to the other person. This is not equal treatment under the law. And this is not equality.
SO, in this guy's arrest, it's the people vs him, but in this guy's case, it him vs the people, the state of, or the agency of ..etc.
Once he invokes his right to habeas corpus, which he got, then the situation unravels during arraignment, where the judge decides how things are going to play out. If he never sees a judge, then things never play out - this is how they've gotten away with detaining prisoners without trial; they simply let their condition as a terrorist or whatever continue to deteriorate so that, at some point, ..these people look so despicable, that any judge or jury will find them unfit for society.
This guy didn't fight back, he asserted himself in what he believed were his rights. The officers arrested him using their bureaucratized methods of probable cause because they're likely ignorant of the time-factor involvement.
There was no probable cause, at least, it sounds like, until they created it adding elements of fact to the situation.
this goes back to my statement. "You farted, you must be arrested as a bio-terrorist." when five minute ago, there wasn't any bad smell.
Frankly I got lost your lengthy logic/explanation.
I believe was the question was...are you saying it was the fault of the victim ?
A simple yes or no was all that was required.
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And who knew that Iraq was crawling with Baptist pastors ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNripI3ufw&feature=player_embedded
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Well, lucky for you can make comments about such things, but here in the states, ..prejudice towards the situation, in this case, taints potential jury pools.
The short answer to your question was my long post; avoiding contempt of court is the point. SO I have no comment as to whether I think he's at fault or not... but I'm not surprised that this happened.
We have 4 channels on basic cable dedicated to crime and punishment. 1 for the arrest, 1 for the pre-trial nonsense and the investigations, 1 for the trials, and 1 for prison life. ..with an intermittent channel for life before and after the sentencing.
It's completely appalling.
Its the same Nazi style that Both sides of the Bush family financed.
The same group of inbred sociopaths have been assassinating freedom promoting leaders for many decades...and replacing them with brutal dictators.
These sick creeps are into domination and suppression and above all perversion.
As soon as they are done in the US we're next in Canada...you see both Harper and Cheney were students of the Leo Straus methodology used by the Nazi's to suppress the masses.
All one has to do id read the research done by others...its all over the net.
We The People are literally at war...its just that not too many are aware its going on.
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