To all TPU aficionados:
My question is simple:
Is there at this time a proven working solid state TPU device which requires no external input but for maybe a "kickstart" and which will charge continuously on its own to provide at least 9V DC @ least 3A output? Preferably more.
Schematics, reproducible, reproduced. Any form.
Please PM me if you do not wish to discuss in public.
Thank you in advance for your comments
HI
I LIKE YOU TO ASK YOU SIMPLE THING
WHAT YOU THING DID TPU FROM <S.M\>
IS REAL
AND FOR ALL PEOPLE IF WHANT TO SEND ME SHEMATICS HOW TO MAKE TU PLEASE SEND ME PRIVET MASEGE ;D ;)
Its difficult to answer this question in a way that is both accurate and satisfying for you but I'll give it a shot.
The accurate answer to your question is most likely yes. "most likely" hinges on whether or not you believe that the videos (and by extension the information provided by SM) is fake. The general consensus on this forum is that, all else aside, the device works as presented. Having said that though, there are those who believe that the device is a hoax. Frankly I havnt investigated those claims to any real extent but I have watched the movies dozens of times and havnt noticed any glaring inconsistencies...
The patent for this device is largely centered on the control circuit as I understand.. it is being held by some nondescript company called UEC or something... it appears that they are sitting on the technology. Understandably so considering that if this technology became widespread multibillion dollar companies would lose nearly all their customers overnight and for ever. As such, it is in their financial interests to suppress such technology. If you think thats a conspiracy theory - take note that in 1901 the land speed record was broken at 100km/h by car run 100% on electricity...
SO If schematics exist for this thing why dont we share them? Well, while its easy to dismiss this question by saying that none of us actually have schematics - the unfortunate side of that question is that people on this forum tend to 'encourage' other contributing members to do their own research (Not that they have schematics either though.) There are various justifications for that argument though (safety etc etc..) Being on the receiving end of that stick, I can tell you it doesnt feel very open source to say the least lol... but now that Ive started reading and researching all the relevant concepts and principals I gotta say, the pieces are falling together much better than i think they would if I just blindly reproduced some schematics. So there's that......
Hope that helps!
well... actually I realize it probably doesnt but you asked and I hope you respect the plain honest truth.....
Quote from: Phantasm on April 17, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
well... actually I realize it probably doesnt but you asked and I hope you respect the plain honest truth.....
I certainly do, thanks for taking the time in posting that...
My hopes go out there is something floating around in here which involves those old TV tubes (5EH?)
The correct switching at the circuit's highest possible 'Q' begets resonance deemed uncontrollable within the confines of the generating ciruit.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 17, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
The correct switching at the circuit's highest possible 'Q' begets resonance deemed uncontrollable within the confines of the generating ciruit.
--giantkiller.
So there is no hope then?
Except for maybe picking up abd converting radio waves into low amperage current?
How disappointing viewing all the promising experiments earlier...
I read somewhere that tubes have a property of collecting charge all by themselves, was that incorrect also?
Thanks.
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 18, 2009, 05:56:26 AM
So there is no hope then?
The videos provided by SM should provide you with all the hope you need
iHOPE IS ALL TO BEALEAVET IN GOD first ... then whill be find the road where is all ansfer for everthing and all secret stuff the knolege is came from him :)
Quote from: giantkiller on April 17, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
The correct switching at the circuit's highest possible 'Q' begets resonance deemed uncontrollable within the confines of the generating ciruit.
--giantkiller.
This statement is meant to show the runaway problem. Sm talked about how the energy couldn't be housed or coupled to usefulness without correct control.
--giantkiller. Stay aware.
Quote from: Loner on April 25, 2009, 12:12:22 AM
I, for one, would love to see an open design posted. I haven't seen one yet that
was simple, proven and working. BE assured, if I get ANY reproducable results,
even if dangerous, they will be posted here, after torrent preps, of course.
Sooner or later, this type of tech is going to come out. Far too many have gotten
the "Fever" of side ideas, like money, fame, etc. I just hope people around here
can get beyond that to help each other out. There have been far too many cryptic
concepts put forward, and though the theory is there, practical apps seem to be
in very short supply. (Unfortunately, a working design is a dangerous thing to
have, and not for the physical danger of the device.)
There is still hope, however. I firmly believe that. (Then again, what do I know of the
real world. Every time I meet it, it's a disaster. I'm really tired of the drama these days.)
I can tell you that money and fame are precisely the exact opposite of what motivates me to replicate SM's TPU. In fact, with some luck I can AVOID both...
A trusted source recently outed a high profile media item as being propaganda for the establishment elite. The content thereof spoke of a society without money - a technocracy focused on the environment and free renuable energy and how our present day society will move into this new sociopolitical order. What you said about this technology not being a secret for ever is surely understood by TPTB. As a result, it is my belief that alternative energy technologies will be allowed to propagate within this new moneyless age.
so - keep a cool head and take small steps would be my advice...
Hi
don't loose hope ;)
The TPU technology is real, the real secret is in the arrangement of the coil beleive me 8)
even only a simple relay, setup in a vibrator mode will work! 8)
sorry :-X
God bless
otits
hi @tito
i know is true is dont important to proving for this is simple make vortex whit ac voltage nad you whill have dc voltage THAT IS <S.M>
BUT HOW YOU WHILL SETUP THIS COILS HMMM
I WONDERING WHAT IS HAPEND WHIT PEOPLE HO HAS SPEAKING FOR THIS <GARDENS WIREs>
;)
tito@
and all here
iKNOW IF SOMBODY MAKES SOME DEVICE HERE AND IS HAS REAL RESOLTS OF SOME NEW DEVICE OR LIKE S.M DEVICE I KNoW THAT WHILL HAVE NOTHING FROM THIS BEACOUSE THIS FORUM OR ALL EXPLORE IS FOR ITSEL NOT SHARE IF WE HAVE REAL CRISIS PROBLEM FOR ENERGY WE WHILL BE TOGETHERE IN THIS FORUM OR IN GLOBAL SHARING IDEaS BUT
ONE IS SURE IF WE BE CONTINUE WHIT THIS TALKING AND THIS <@HARTI>WHILL BE MOST POPULAR AND LONGEST TIME PERIOD EXPLORE FORUM >.WHILL BE HAVE NOBEL PRICE IN THE INTERNETE
IF YOU ARE ASKING YOUR SELF HOW MANY YEARS YOU ARE HERE AND TALKING BUT OK
WAST BE TALKING
I NOW SOME PEOPLE HERE HOW IS HAS OWN JOB IN TO THIS FORUM HIS JOBS IS IS TO KEEP OUT THE GOOD EXPERIMENTATOR FROM SECRET TEXNOLOGY
AND THAT IS SURE
THIS IS EXPLANE EVERTHING ,THAT WE WHILL NEVER SEE WORKING TPU OR SOME ATHERE WORKING DEVICE BEaCOUSE fOR THIS ONE BIG REASON
<PEOPLE HO IS KEEPING SECRET OUT OF AS SIMPLE PEOPLE
BUT WE SIMPLE PEOPLE HAS KNOW MORE THEORICAL STUFFF OF THIS KEEPRS SECRET PEOPLE
NOW I LIKE TO ASK MAIN MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM <@Harti like friend
way he is let them to be here in this forum >
if this forum is for explore and sharing way
ALL TAKE SOME TIME TO THING ABOUT THIS FOR THIS AND YOU WHILL SEE THAT IS TRUE
Suppose there are 20 people in the entire world that have intimate knowledge of the TPU. A Government or Corporate entity knows who knows and what they know. The source can readily be identified even if the information is released anonylously, if the information is specific enough. If the information is vague, then they still know that it came from one of the 20 people. What is said, how it is written, when it is written are details that narrow the source down to 5 of the 20 people. Someone posts a working device and the photo may be enough to lead them right to your door.
So, the only video's of a working device are SM's, and proof still awaits those willing to find it.
Hi Macedonia,
I my opinion idea of garden hose is still very attractive.I am fully for it.Unfortunately I do not have a time to do it for family reasons now.It is sad that fellow with nickname Room .... abandoned this forum, he was up to this idea doing real experimentation.This setup comes back from old Master Tesla.Rotorless spinning magnetic field along closed path,this closed path when made from insulated wires -which serve as collector-could give interesting result. If coils are wound properly according to frequency and are capable to deliver sharp kicks ( they must have small inductance) and closed path is biased with constant magnetic field we could spin this virtual alternator very fast Let's squeeze electrons out of this wire :-).Worth to try.
Regards,
pix
Hi everyone
here is what sir otto has said about tpu.
Quote
Hello all,
the point in a TPU is to know how oridinary coils can or cant work together. Dont complicate. They are oridinary coils but connected in a "special way".
Reed SMs words. Think about them.
Otto
@PIX
;)
Hi everyone good day
i am actually wondering why things becomes so complicated,
The solution is very easy!
promise!
in some threads of this tpu discussion, the secrets are already revealed you only have to collect those thread and that's it.
God bless
otits
Hello all,
@Otits
not all secrets are revealed!!
The main problem is that there are a lot of ways......whats the best??
Otto
heloo all
and ZDRAVO OTTO
KAKO IDE PRIJATELJU IZGLEDA DA SVI TU PA i <@marco :D > NA FORUMA OCEKUJU OD TEBE PRAVU STVAR
JAS SAM NA TVOJOM STARNU ;)
YES LOTS OFWAYS TO MAKE TPU
BUT HOW
i thing the best way is moving magnet clouse wire whit fast speed like he said
<s.m>
but ist we all time here move magnet whit high speeed hmmmmmmmm but still is not moving
Quote from: otto on April 30, 2009, 06:32:42 AM
Hello all,
@Otits
not all secrets are revealed!!
The main problem is that there are a lot of ways......whats the best??
Otto
Hi sir otto good day
sir can you share some other secret for the best? ;)
@Otits
I wouldnt get too sidetracked by Otto's comment - I think he just means that logistically there are several setups that make use of different means to the same end; using the same effect with different setups.. but whats important in all cases is the effect being made use of in a TPU. I think the consensus is Heterodyning high frequency harmonics of a fundamental frequency.. though there are other ideas that have been presented.
While occam's razor suggests the most basic working solution as the best - personally I am conservative with my approach to TPU building in that I feel that the best choice is to replicate SM's TPU as closely as possible.
@All
SM has given us plenty of information to build his TPU - My understanding of how a TPU works is based almost entirely off of his clues. If anyone has any question about how this thing works - Keep in mind that SM's clues will point you in the right direction.
Hello all,
can somebody give me an idea how to shield a TPU??
Im the last 10 days on vacation, working more then 10 hours a day and I dont feel good anymore. Im measuring around my TPU over 3kV in the air. Every day I have more and more trouble with my health.
Otto
Hello all,
Here one of the TPU secrets:
YOU HAVE TO PULSE THE TPU WITH NEGATIVE SIGNALS!!!
Again, N E G A T I V E kicks are needed.
Have a nice day as I have.
Otto
PS: still on vacation.
Quote from: otto on May 01, 2009, 06:48:31 AM
Hello all,
can somebody give me an idea how to shield a TPU??
Im the last 10 days on vacation, working more then 10 hours a day and I dont feel good anymore. Im measuring around my TPU over 3kV in the air. Every day I have more and more trouble with my health.
Otto
Take care of yourself,
what do you mean by negative impulse?
Quote from: otto on May 01, 2009, 08:45:26 AM
Hello all,
Here one of the TPU secrets:
YOU HAVE TO PULSE THE TPU WITH NEGATIVE SIGNALS!!!
Again, N E G A T I V E kicks are needed.
Have a nice day as I have.
Otto
PS: still on vacation.
I dunno for sure but I do know that others have used wire mesh (like a screen door) to shield themselves and their equipment - maybe thats a good place to start
ZDRAVO OTTO ZELIM TI UGODAN ODMOR NO IZGLEDA NEMAS ODMORA OD ...
LJUDI SAMO PITAJU A STA JE NEGATIVAN OTPOR PA AKO ZELIS POSTO TI SI NA ODMORU JA CU IM KAZATI AKO NEMAS NISTO PROTIV ;)
AND I WHILL SAY SOMETHING LIKE ANSFERING OTTO <NEGATIVE RESIST >
BUT FIRST I LIKE TO MAKE CLEAR HERE
ALL
TPU FROM S.M IS DIFERENT BUT THE RESOLTS IS THE SAME
FINAL BIG TPU OF S.M IS PRODUCED NEGATIVE RESISIT OR LOADS
BUT FIRST TPU SMALL IS NOT HAVE NEGATIVE RESISIT BUT ONLY ,VORTEX """"""" TO HAVE OUT POWER
IF YOU TAKE SIMPLE <,THE NEGATIVE RESIST WHILL BE ABOUT 1 TO 10000 OR MAYBE MORE
AND NOW HERE IS ANSFER
IF YOU LEARN THEN YOU WHILL BE EASY TO ANDERSTEND
SAMO NAPRED OTTO <
PITAM SE KOJI CES TPU PRVO URADITI ONO SA NEGATIVE RESIST ILI VORTEX
<S.M >SOME MASEGE TO MANNIX
...i have hear that some one old video of s.m whit compass insaid ccenter has fast spinig
but if the tpu produced infinyty speed then the spinig of compass whill stop
and then tpu whill not have out energy if is the spining whill be to fast
ansfer ...is beacouse the invisible elktromagnet lines whill not whill be cuting of the ???? and no energy
I LIKE TO SEE ,PROF . ANSFERS FROM YOU HERE OF THIS
WAY
sì bene se stiamo andando parlare tutte le lingue differenti nello stesso filetto, come il della MACEDONIA CD, quindi voi può essere it' sicuro; s che va essere un grande disordine!
Marcos.
wooooooooooooow @marco dont tell nothing for me beacouse people he know about me <<AND PEOPLE HE KNOW ABOUT YOU WHAT A PERSON YOU ARE >>YOULIKE TO BRING PEOPLE TO DOWN WHIT YOU TO MUCH RESPESPEKT ITS SEFL
BUT PEOPLE IS KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING AND STILL YOU DONT REMEMBER THAT YOU MAST CHANGE YOU TALKING FOR YOUR <BON TON>
BUT YOU STILL ARE NO GOOD PERSON >.AND THAT IS REASON WAY FORUM MAN DONT LIKE YOU
YOU THINGIF YOU ARE LIVING IN WEST AND YOU HAVE ARE GOOD PAYMET AND THE KNOLEGE IS FOR YOU <<BUT YOU ARE VRONG
WHEN YOU WHILL ANDERSTEND THAT PLEASE GROVING UP
YOU KNOW THAT IM BETER THEN YOU
AND THAT IS REASON WAY YOU ALL TIME HIT ME AND PUT ME DOWN IF MY ENGILSH IS LOW THAT IS NOT MEANING THAT I DONT KNOW <YOU KNOW THAT VERY GOOD >.IM BETER THEN YOU AND I HAVE BETER SETUPS THEN YOU JUST STOP WHIT HIT PEOPLE HERE
TIME WHILL CAME HERE WHEN I WHILL SEND SOME STUFF AND YOU WHIL BE SHAME ON YOU TO SAY SOMETHING FOR ME
BUT YOU MAST BE TAKE SERIOSE CHANGES HERE IN FORUM
:-\
What is this?
Quote from: otto on May 01, 2009, 06:48:31 AM
Hello all,
can somebody give me an idea how to shield a TPU??
Im the last 10 days on vacation, working more then 10 hours a day and I dont feel good anymore. Im measuring around my TPU over 3kV in the air. Every day I have more and more trouble with my health.
Otto
@Otto
If the problem is common EM fields then a simple Faraday cage will help. Just make sure all seems are good electrical connections and the cage is well Earthed.
Should the problem be the other way put solid mass between you and the TPU. The more solid and thicker the better. Distance helps a bit here, as well.
I don't know what your TPU could be radiating but you should check all possibilities before long. If you awake with white spots in your vision, headaches, nausea, etc. You should stop and fix the problem.
Repeated small EMP can also cause confusion and lethargy. Don't let it go that far.
only gravity deflects it
Quote from: BEP on May 02, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
@Otto
If the problem is common EM fields then a simple Faraday cage will help. Just make sure all seems are good electrical connections and the cage is well Earthed.
Should the problem be the other way put solid mass between you and the TPU. The more solid and thicker the better. Distance helps a bit here, as well.
I don't know what your TPU could be radiating but you should check all possibilities before long. If you awake with white spots in your vision, headaches, nausea, etc. You should stop and fix the problem.
Repeated small EMP can also cause confusion and lethargy. Don't let it go that far.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 02, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
only gravity deflects it
Maybe it is a good thing but I can't agree with you until my 'Black Hole In MY Basement' project works ::) Maybe CERN will figure this out.
Until then, mass (very dense or lots of it) does a good job.
Hello all,
@BEP
I dont have magnetic fields inside my TPU. The particles spreaded out of the transformers are my problem but as Im now good in my job there are not anymore so much particles leaving the TPU transformers and so my health is much better.
Thanks anyway.
Otto
Quote from: otto on May 02, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
Hello all,
@BEP
I dont have magnetic fields inside my TPU. The particles spreaded out of the transformers are my problem but as Im now good in my job there are not anymore so much particles leaving the TPU transformers and so my health is much better.
Thanks anyway.
Otto
Glad to hear your feeling better! I hope you are having good results and much excitement :)
Quote from: -[marco]- on May 02, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
sì bene se stiamo andando parlare tutte le lingue differenti nello stesso filetto, come il della MACEDONIA CD, quindi voi può essere it' sicuro; s che va essere un grande disordine!
Marcos.
Grazie, grazie, grazie!
faleminderit,
شكرا Ù,,Ùƒ
谢谢æ,¨
tänan
In het geval ik iemand gemist
And
Ank-thay ou-Yay! for those that have swine flu.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: BEP on May 02, 2009, 03:42:02 PM
Until then, mass (very dense or lots of it) does a good job.
and/or distance...
I expect it will be more well-behaved once the current loop is formed.
HI
@GK falemenderi is in the <albanian people >not macedonia
@marco find how to write in macedonia but
ok you are have short brain to anderstend macedonia languege
and you show that you dont know to READ in languege of tesla main country where is born
LEARN AND MAYBE WHILL KNOW BETER TO ANDERSTEND WHAT TESLA SAY ;D
ISEE NOW YOU NEED SOME SHORT VIDEO FROM ME TO SEE AND LEARN SOME STUFF @marco
Quote from: Grumpy on May 02, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
only gravity deflects it
Yes, it might be very useful and interesting to have a well shielded and filtered scalar detector running on the bench of any TPU experiment.
I think the Hodowanek detector is the simplest type to build:
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/grav3.txt
hi everyone good day!!!
i'm back ;D
i just want you to know that i found something old in my vicinity.
i notice the high tension wire is connected in one pole of the transformer and the other one pole of the transformer is connected into the earth ground ??? and it gives 220v! wow and unlimited connection of transformer is available in the high tension wire, i think this is one secret of tpu?
i'm telling the truth please observe.
case closed! 8)
God bless otits
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on May 16, 2009, 06:59:14 AM
hi everyone good day!!!
i'm back ;D
i just want you to know that i found something old in my vicinity.
i notice the high tension wire is connected in one pole of the transformer and the other one pole of the transformer is connected into the earth ground ??? and it gives 220v! wow and unlimited connection of transformer is available in the high tension wire, i think this is one secret of tpu?
i'm telling the truth please observe.
case closed! 8)
God bless otits
Tito,
Nothing is impossible, it just has not been discovered yet (by some). If you don't believe that SM did anything but steal power from the lines, then you are wasting your time and everyone else's.
Try reading the engineering reports. The TPU was/is real.
AT EVERYONE ELSE,
Steven Mark gave every detail of how to build this in the PDF that Lindsay had put together.
The truth is, no one wants to build a working TPU. They are either too fearful, or have too many of their own ideas in their head and will never have anything that works. SM was right. Ego, a freakin' shame. That's why no one sees. It is pitiful.
Or because they can't figure it out, it must not be true... HA! More ego.
If you knew how it works would you build it? Eh? No! You'd watch one or two brave ones build it. Do I sound cynical? Sorry, I am disgusted. The truth? Most people can't even follow the simplest of directions. Why? Because everyone hears what they want to hear.
If mine worked do you think I would post it hear or anywhere else? HA! You've gotta be out of your mind. I would try to lead others to understanding, but that too appears fruitless. The solution? Go it alone for now, I reckon.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on May 16, 2009, 08:57:35 PM
If mine worked do you think I would post it hear or anywhere else? HA! You've gotta be out of your mind. I would try to lead others to understanding, but that too appears fruitless. The solution? Go it alone for now, I reckon.
Back full circle. Isn´t this where "they" want you to be?
Fear. Isolation. Detachment. Apathy?
I think I have the PDF you speak of somewhere in my folders.
Hi Loner,
Most of the strange "oscillations" and or "anomalous " signals, if viewed from a spectrum analyzer would show Harmonic distortion sometimes followed by intermodulation of those created frequencies.
I don't know the wiring for every SM tpu. He said he wound about three hundred. He and another engineer, until the found the best way to wind them. We have that. I have posted it. Others posted it. No one cares.
Study how a dc bias affects the amplitude of the second harmonic. Look at the difference between linear output vs. nonlinear, and see why he said tube amps to everyone trying to "figure out" how it worked. Understanding the creation of nonlinear harmonics is the key. Then recognizing the need for intermodulation to create those times hundreds of thousands per second, all for "free". Add to that an EM wave at 1000 times the second harmonic and there you go.
Take your input frequencies and rectify them full wave, to give all "positive" pulsed DC at HV. Think Anode plate. The Bias collects the "current" within the collector, and becomes the output.
How does someone know if there are harmonics if you don't have a spectrum analyzer? LOL They are ALWAYS there! Even and odd with nonlinear, or all odd with linear. Unless you start with a Pure Sine wave via crystal or crystal filter. That is starting point (A.) Mosfets can clip a sine wave non symmetrically like a tube amp and create nonlinear output. But you know what? I found out today that so can a Varactor diode, with a bias. It is a harmonic generator all by it's lonesome. The stronger the bias the greater the amplitude of the second harmonic. Make your bias adjustable on it.
No mass electronics. All of the SM clues are solved. He tried so hard to tell us harmonics and intermodulation, without just coming right out and saying it.
That's it.
People wanting to start at the square 1 and not square 10, need a spectrum analyzer. Or if I recall, I saw some fancy math for determining the percentage of harmonics contained within a Sine Wave for a given signal.
I hope that helps. ONLY known electronic facts, no "wild haired theories" needed.
EM waves - Fact
Interaction of Harmonic distortion - Fact
Harmonic distortion are "created" Frequencies, a type of OU - Fact
Intermodulation for the "creation" of hundreds of thousands of frequencies - Fact
Resonant Tank circuits - Fact
DC Pulsed Bias increases amplitude of second harmonic - Fact
Now you know, and everyone else. It is not "fancy" enough for some, who need magic pixie dust. But that is their loss. It is actually very simple. Steven Mark found a "kick" and then found a way to "create" lots of kicks fast sendoff. Wrapped it with an EM wave to increase distortion and intermodulation and you have power.
It can be dangerous if the thing gets away from you. Kill pedal, Over voltage shutoff and Over heat shut offs are a must.
Oh, one more thing, the Stack TPU picture is correct, except the lamp chord is horizontal, not vertical. That's it for now.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on May 16, 2009, 08:57:35 PM
Tito,
Nothing is impossible, it just has not been discovered yet (by some). If you don't believe that SM did anything but steal power from the lines, then you are wasting your time and everyone else's.
Try reading the engineering reports. The TPU was/is real.
AT EVERYONE ELSE,
Steven Mark gave every detail of how to build this in the PDF that Lindsay had put together.
The truth is, no one wants to build a working TPU. They are either too fearful, or have too many of their own ideas in their head and will never have anything that works. SM was right. Ego, a freakin' shame. That's why no one sees. It is pitiful.
Or because they can't figure it out, it must not be true... HA! More ego.
If you knew how it works would you build it? Eh? No! You'd watch one or two brave ones build it. Do I sound cynical? Sorry, I am disgusted. The truth? Most people can't even follow the simplest of directions. Why? Because everyone hears what they want to hear.
If mine worked do you think I would post it hear or anywhere else? HA! You've gotta be out of your mind. I would try to lead others to understanding, but that too appears fruitless. The solution? Go it alone for now, I reckon.
Hi Master bruce, you're absolutely right!!!
we're lucky to have you here sir :)
i beleive i have rediscovered it sir!
your talking about the PDF, can you share it here SIR ::)
actually, i have a working device already and i am really want to see other's design
take note i'm using only a vibrator relay!
if the congress will agree then i will post the real thing here !!!
Please don't mail a threat you make me nervous it's for the world!!!
god bless
otits ;D
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2009, 01:16:55 AM
Hi Loner,
Most of the strange "oscillations" and or "anomalous " signals, if viewed from a spectrum analyzer would show Harmonic distortion sometimes followed by intermodulation of those created frequencies.
I don't know the wiring for every SM tpu. He said he wound about three hundred. He and another engineer, until the found the best way to wind them. We have that. I have posted it. Others posted it. No one cares.
Study how a dc bias affects the amplitude of the second harmonic. Look at the difference between linear output vs. nonlinear, and see why he said tube amps to everyone trying to "figure out" how it worked. Understanding the creation of nonlinear harmonics is the key. Then recognizing the need for intermodulation to create those times hundreds of thousands per second, all for "free". Add to that an EM wave at 1000 times the second harmonic and there you go.
Take your input frequencies and rectify them full wave, to give all "positive" pulsed DC at HV. Think Anode plate. The Bias collects the "current" within the collector, and becomes the output.
How does someone know if there are harmonics if you don't have a spectrum analyzer? LOL They are ALWAYS there! Even and odd with nonlinear, or all odd with linear. Unless you start with a Pure Sine wave via crystal or crystal filter. That is starting point (A.) Mosfets can clip a sine wave non symmetrically like a tube amp and create nonlinear output. But you know what? I found out today that so can a Varactor diode, with a bias. It is a harmonic generator all by it's lonesome. The stronger the bias the greater the amplitude of the second harmonic. Make your bias adjustable on it.
No mass electronics. All of the SM clues are solved. He tried so hard to tell us harmonics and intermodulation, without just coming right out and saying it.
That's it.
People wanting to start at the square 1 and not square 10, need a spectrum analyzer. Or if I recall, I saw some fancy math for determining the percentage of harmonics contained within a Sine Wave for a given signal.
I hope that helps. ONLY known electronic facts, no "wild haired theories" needed.
EM waves - Fact
Interaction of Harmonic distortion - Fact
Harmonic distortion are "created" Frequencies, a type of OU - Fact
Intermodulation for the "creation" of hundreds of thousands of frequencies - Fact
Resonant Tank circuits - Fact
DC Pulsed Bias increases amplitude of second harmonic - Fact
Now you know, and everyone else. It is not "fancy" enough for some, who need magic pixie dust. But that is their loss. It is actually very simple. Steven Mark found a "kick" and then found a way to "create" lots of kicks fast sendoff. Wrapped it with an EM wave to increase distortion and intermodulation and you have power.
It can be dangerous if the thing gets away from you. Kill pedal, Over voltage shutoff and Over heat shut offs are a must.
Oh, one more thing, the Stack TPU picture is correct, except the lamp chord is horizontal, not vertical. That's it for now.
Cheers,
Bruce
As i am reading your post, it seems to me that i have a different design in my device :-\
and mine works too.
i am actually concentrating on the collapsing magnetic field
i am making it large and many then its free energy
this is the slight difference discovered by tesla in colorado spring experiment 8)
that 's all there is to it !!!
God bless
otits ;D
Quote from: Loner on May 17, 2009, 06:18:57 PM
Well, I must say, there are several points you just mentioned that have always seemed correct, but I am not good enough to have properly taken advantage of them. Nice to see the "Horizontal" comment finally being mentioned. ;D
I can immeadiately see where I will have the most trouble, and as I will need to wind up a new setup, for testing, I am requesting a little assistance, if at all possible. I would love to attempt to "Tune" the coils for the correct Frequency, but actually have insufficent knowledge to even start. In the designs I have seen, and in all the "Papers" (I Mean ALL!) I have never seen any "Major" cap for tuning, except for the fixed value parts that were both the same. I have always assumed the coils would require more/less turns to get the correct tuning, but (as you noted..) SM created (Over...) 300 coils to perfect the design. (Well, I will not assume "Perfection" as how far / Close can you go / get before the thing decides to "Overload". (I do understand.) I have considered starting the entire thing from "Step 1" to fully understand the dynamics, but basic calculation of the LC network (Tank Ckt) that the loop becomes could easily take me years to come up with proper design parameters.
Do you think the original Book design values would be close enough to approximate turn count, spacing, etc, or would you happen to have an idea already of the interrelations that ARE going to occur with seperate LC Tanks operating within interferrance range of each other? Radio has always been a Pain in the A** to me, and just aligning a normal receiver with an IF stage was a lot of work. I gotta admit, I understand the theory, but my practical experience, which is what I depend on, is not enough to supprt creation from nothing. I'm sure I could work it out the hard way, as SM did, by winding 300 different coils and finding the correct relations to use. Unfortunately, by myself, that would take years......
(Figure 1 coil in two days. 2-3 days to tweak and test. Add 2 more to absorb the data. So, say a week for each coil, if working hard. That means, that in 6 years time, putting my all into it, I could have useful data to provide on the Physical coil design.)
Sure, I have the PDF's Plus. (Lots of other data too....) They all very specifically avoid ANY reference to this aspect of construction, which I am sure is no accident. So, finally, I ask my basic question. Have any equations for coil / frequency calculation? Are the standard book equations OK? (I have these...) Is this an unknown, and therefore I must start and go the long slow way? (With the clues, I'm hoping I could shorten the time a little, but I have had bad luck in the past. I once spent 5 hours on a network problem to find a Hub/Switch was not powered up.....)
Little note: In radio work, harmonics can be detected and measured VERY accurately with a scope, but it's one of those things you must get the "Feel" for in reading the signal. I learned that one the hard way, and it took A LOT of practice to do it right. This was in the 70's, again, and probably not taught at all anymore, even in schools. (Easier to read past the 5th harmonic with a scope than spectrum analyser, but if you've never done it that way, you would never see it. With No-one to show me how, I would never have figured that one out by myself. Old radio guys didn't have the types of tools we have today. This is one of the reasons I dislike radio, as I learned all this without ever seeing a spectrum analyser. It wasn't till I was at IBM, working on digital "Things" that I ever got to use one.)
OK, I typing too much and asking an awful lot. I really appreciate the insight, and accept certain aspects in a way that you would not believe, although I can't try to explain the differences, because to me, radio doesn't operate exactly how the books say anyway. Ask any old ham how a buried radiator (Under Ground!) can transmit and receive, and you can see what I mean. You explanation, modified slightly for my meager understanding, makes more sense than any I have seen put forth. Just so you are aware, I have an already wound 3 stack, would exactly as the (or one of them...) 3 stack you mentioned. Problem was, certain inductive effects prevented me from much testing, as the voltage went way higher than my components could handle. If I knew HOW to tune the coils, I would be willing to give that unit another try... I found enough cap. effect between the controls and the collectors to make all the figuring I did worthless. Never could get ANY resosance, as the frequency value changed so drastically during the "Charging" that the thing colapsed itself every time. (I actually posted that effect from a different coil.)
Again, Thanks for the info, any thing you have would be appreciated.
Hi Loner,
Unlike most, who have never or barely ever read through SM's clues, I am pretty confident of several things.
First, with your three stack, I doubt it is wound properly unless the lamp chord is flat, about three turns. This gives you and inside (antenna) loop and outside (output-bias) loop. Bottom collector, tune as a resonant tank circuit to the fundamental. Next collector tune as a resonant tank to the second harmonic component. Third collector to the third harmonic component.
The "goal" of everything is to create as many of each of those three freq's possible. But you have to think out of the box. Three inputs are different. They are AC, go all the way around and then full wave rectify them and put them in the outer loop as your pulsed DC bias. This is how I see it. Based on a lot of information. Harmonic distortion+intermodulation to produce our three frequencies. There is some cool stuff that we see when all of this occurs, in the vids. Vibration, magnetic fields, RF flame from the antenna loop, etc. The idea is to "create" as many "kicks" as possible, fast send off. And sometimes all three combine. But not the way some here think.
Hmmm...Intermodulation. What a great way to create OU. Since it IS OU already. Look up PIM or passive intermodulation, or IMP or IM products or Intermodulation products. Use it to create more of the kicks you want.
The next time someone shows you a "scope shot" of a kick, I would bet a cheese sandwich that it was CAUSED by the intermodulation of harmonics. Regardless of HOW they caused it. Which brings us back to doe. Doe Ray me fa so la ti. And if at doe, then what do I do with it to make power? SM said that the "created" frequencies are simply a means to an end. To create replicas of the fundamental and second and third harmonics.
Hope that helps. I am assembling a team and we are full speed ahead. I don't have the patience of some and just pulse coils endlessly looking for something. So I took a different route and spent all of my time buried in SM's words, libraries and research. Keeping focus on JUST SM and not mixing 5 different devices and 10 different masters together.
I actually believe that SM gave us ALL the info we need to build this thing. Why? Because he said so.
P.S. Loner, why not post some scope shots and teach how to see the harmonics with just a scope. I would like to see that myself. Use sine waves if you can. Thanks!
Regards,
Bruce
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The next time someone shows you a "scope shot" of a kick, I would bet a cheese sandwich that it was CAUSED by the intermodulation of harmonics. Regardless of HOW they caused it. Which brings us back to doe. Doe Ray me fa so la ti. And if at doe, then what do I do with it to make power? SM said that the "created" frequencies are simply a means to an end. To create replicas of the fundamental and second and third harmonics.
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It came from a HV pulse (a burst of pulses actually) via a detector. Nothing to do with intermodulation or harmonics as you don't want an oscillation for power generation - you want a current which requires a loop - hint hint hint.
Quote from: Loner on May 19, 2009, 01:33:40 AM
Grumpy, Your post came in while I was typing....
Your scope shot, as an impulse, could easily be accepted as an oscillation, per se. I don't want to get myself caught up in nit-picking descriptions, as I see a lot of things comming together in ways I have not seen before. Could it not be possible (I know this is wrong, but good for opening my mind...), for the Impulse to be reflecting amoung itself, via RE, to be a clean Osc, but "Random Looking" due to the speed differential between the power types. I realize I am describing the effect incorrectly, but I am hoping you understand my meaning. Harmonics and IM would then just be the means to an end, and as they are incorrectly described, from a "Tesla" point of view, and could be involved, in a convoluted way? Here's my reason for mentioning it. Two seperate Signals, very accurate and quite close, were mixed, and the result carefully filtered with digital notch filters. BOth Inputs, the Sum and difference removed this way. The output was plotted with SIM just to see. Looked normal. The ACTUAL output was NOT what I expected when actually done, but as this was all at low signal levels and digitally processed, I have no idea if the same effect would arise in real, analog circuits. The "Crazy" that was doing this is using this output to directly feed a tesla coil, and it actually works for that. Do you think that there may be more than three ways to describe the operation of these things?
(Or am I completely off the wall, here?)
It is the result of an impulse not an impulse itself.
I posted it for people that can not reply in regards to what it means.
Hi Loner,
Intermodulation is in the TPU, but it is simply a means to an end. Simply to create replicas of the three matching resonant freq's to match the three inner loops of each collector. Each collector is a resonant tank circuit, closed loop with caps to set resonance. Put a carbon resistor in parallel, Like I said, tune 1 to the fundamental, the second to the second harmonic component and then the third to the third harmonic component. If you object to using caps to tune each collector for some strange reason, feel free to use coax as your capacitor and cut it to length until you reach your desired freq.
P.S. Grumpy is correct in what he says! But SM created the "kick" using a slightly different way.
SM said:
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks."
Worst case scenario's in the TPU: ;)
1. Harmonic distortion
2. Intermodulation
3. Phase Cancellation
In Audio terms, to "combine" frequencies, is when they "cancel". Tesla talked about "STOPPING the current/discharge as quickly as possible will cause perpindicular radiation and electrical effects to show up on nearby wire".
Can you think of a "faster way" to STOP the freq, then to smack a wave into itself? Split the signal, invert one leg exactly 180 degrees. Tune a loop to a freq of your choosing. Have it bifilar, in the sense of lamp chord and another wire is attached to your tuned loop. Send in one side your in phase resonant matching signal, and into the other side your inverted signal. Put an on,/off switch on the inverted. Let the in phase run for a few seconds, then flip your switch. Both MUST BE the same source for it to work. Scope the ATTACHED WIRE and you will see a similar oscillation to what Grumpy posted. Vary and play with the voltages. Sine wave will work. Square waves will work perhaps also, but the TPU has sine to cause intermodulation. Square won't work.
So, try it and see if I am crazy! Hehehe
harmonics make our three resonant matching freqs of f1, f2, and f3.
Intermodulation makes replicas of our three resonant matching freqs of f1, f2, and f3.
Phase cancellation deposits all the medium into our outer loop.
The pulsed DC Bias picks it up, where it becomes current and the bias becomes the output. It kind of reminds me of a Triode amplifier Tube. Gee, what a surprise!
SM said:
"I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . . AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN"T DIFICULT AT ALL.
AND
"You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick . ."
Have fun!
Cheers,
Bruce
;D :D :D :D just lovin it!!
come on people lol
if some one is BUYING .... I GOT SHIT FOR SALE .... ;)
LOL
WAKE UP !
IST!
TIP 2 FREQIN FREQS .... DUH!! LOL
TIC TIC TIC ... :D GOT YOUR TIME MACHINE LOL :D
QUESTION ?!?!?!?! LOL
WHEN ED SAYS RING THE BELL 2 TIME WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LOL :P
WATCH MY VIDEO ... LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtGSk33ssAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=068l0trm6TI&feature=related
ENOUGH PROOF ?!?!?! AND IF NOT COMPREHEND MY SIG ..... ;)
OR COMBINE THE 2 AS I HAVE DONE :)
OH YEA INPUT WAS A LOW IN VOLTAGE AA BATTERY ;D
innovation_station IS right. creating a lot of kicks is easy
the same is about noise, but noise is hidden energy
it's like a lot of people jumping on bridge chaotically
we HAVE TO learn how to JOIN OUR minds to solve that problem
we are the POWER
the true force is inside second SM statement - how to combine all that noise into usable power current kick
unfortunately he didn't told us the exact steps involved
we could only speculate that somehow the interferrence of those noise kicks has potential of positive feedback (aka special kind of resonance unfortunately I forgot the corrent scientific name for it :-[)
positive feedback is possible only WITHOUT distortion !
here is the explanation of Tesla abrupt exact impulses
just realize THAT FACT : positive feedback existence in nature IS sufficient proof that energy is available everywhere, just we haven't learned how to use it
Evening Loner,
Another experiment, similar to what I described in my last post, is the following experiment from SM.
Take two transformers, and connect them in REVERSE POLARITY to one another. Simply split the same AC Sine Wave Low Voltage signal, same source and shoot it across. Add pulsed HV DC for fun. Use your SA or Scope, and see what you see when the multiple frequencies "combine" (Cancel) Same idea as the inverted phase, but is using reversed polarity to create the same effect. ;)
EDIT:
Oops! Almost forgot to mention, that the Transformer used must match with the AC voltage used (resonance). Example: SM uses 5 volt AC transformers, signal split is 5 volt AC, transformers wired in reverse polarity to produce "cancellation" combining.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Loner on May 26, 2009, 04:04:42 PM
Interesting, and actually, in process.
I must mention, however, that two transformers connected in such a manner, when looked at from a distance, seems far to close to another circuit that causes much "disagreement" among various people. I'm staying out of this fray, as I can only process and understand so much, and at my slow rate, this takes a LONG time, but just to confuse those that miss the evidence, think about the VIC Ckt, from input to output, including the "Coils" on the output and their proximity to each other for mutual inductive effect. (If you recognise this reference, you will see it, and if not, then I can't be of any help.)
(Little note: Normal PC PS Switching transformers work well in this application, but I am not making any recomendations....)
I have found that certain of these "Effects" can be produced in a single loop TPU, with only two frequencies, but until I understand the real "How" this is working, I'm not ready to make more of a fool of myself.
Thanks for the info, as I'm finally starting to grasp the real import of this stuff, regardless of the project. This knowledge may never produce anything but my own satisfaction, but you never know.....
I just hope to be able to actually put forth a real design that is reproduceable and testable by all, someday. I hear many claims, but still don't see real physical devices, so I can assume the true basis is still not fully defined. With me lurking here, picking the brains of all the people who have info, maybe I can get lucky. At least my original copper cored, single loop device can get more use as my basic "Reference" as I've fed more signals into that than I care to mention. Seems strange that a Bifilar wind on the outermost layer, with opposing flows, does seem to have a different effect than expected. (Call it a field witout a field?) Pushing misc signals (Like yours...) into the inner coils, and producing "Noise" has drastically different results, depending on the outer field, which "Doesn't exist" because of the cancellation effect of the Bifilar wind. Makes no sense, YET.....
Just typing that confused me, so I can see I need to read more, test more, and type less.
Thanks to everyone.
Hi Loner,
Common-mode current = radiant emissions
Positive bias = harvesting (collecting) said radiant emissions