That defense didn't fly in Nurenberg...so why does Obomba think it will fly now ?
Find the answer here...
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/602.html
Regards...
This is him essentially pardoning the crime. If one president can order torture, and the next president can pardon him...
well, "what we've got here is failure to communicate"...and you get a string of torture artists, conspiracy to commit.
This is a big fat cop-out.
Its far worse...its just business as usual for the NWO.
Bloody hands are everywhere.
Its just come out that Cheney had an assassination squad...probably inherrited it from Kissinger.
Regards...
"Obama has set a precedent of whitewashing White House lawlessness in the name of national security that will lie around like a loaded weapon ready for resurrection by any commander in chief eager to appear “tough on terrorism†and to exploit popular fear."
http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-exceeds-bush-in-lawlessness.html
Former Reagan Justice Department official Bruce Fein writes that Obama's decision to release CIA memos without prosecuting Bush administration officials flouts his constitutional duty.
His 'constitutional duty' ??
He doesn't have any stinkin' [constitutional duty]...he isn't even really the President.
He is just the best looking among the inbreds, elected illegally, in order to give the sheeple an outwardly intelligent smiling liar in contrast to the brooding dumb liar previously "elected"...also illegally.
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Definition of GI = Government Issued
Would this be considered "TORTURE" under the Geneva Convention or does the goal line keep moving ........ now it's a insect near you .......
Mans inhumanity to man is not restricted to one race or country.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 28, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
Mans inhumanity to man is not restricted to one race or country.
Regards...
I am sorry captain zero, but I have to call you out on your BULLSHIT! People like you would torture just like the bad guys. You are a hypocritt! Here is a post of yours.... and I quote:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7347.msg173900#msg173900 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7347.msg173900#msg173900)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 23, 2009, 09:13:12 PM
How about hanging them tippy toe style while wearing smiling Sadam masks.
Plus the video of the dancing Sadam's would be a huge hit on youtube. :)
Regards...
Now I am against ALL tortures! Even if those people tortured..... you do not torture them! You rise aboves! Try them, execute them, if that what the law prescribes, but do NOT TORTURE!!! You are as bad as them. If you were in power, you would torture those who YOU deem are necessary to have that!
So NO MORE OF YOUR BULLSHIT you hypocrits!!! Most that torture justify it somehow, and so would you. You are just as bad!
Go aheads, call me a troll, but you know I AM RIGHT!!
Well...first off, I called you a troll simply because you came on like a troll.
How else do you describe trying to put words in my mouth so that you could appear justified in calling me a 'jew hater' ?
A troll is as a troll does.
What you are doing here now is not too far different from your first approach.
What I am suggesting as punishment for war crimes criminals could never even come close to what the families of their victims would justifiably inflict on them...and amounts to nothing more than "what goes around comes around".
To try to compare me with people who torture innocent people is trollish, to say the very least.
Ergo you are in fact by definition, a troll...no matter how you try to disguise your ill intent.
Those are the last civil words that will be directed at the above exposed troll from me.
*sprinkles Monsanto's 'No Troll' around thread*
Moving on...
“ On March 27, 2008, two teams of agents from the Turkish Ministry of the Interior, acting on information received from a foreign intelligence agency, conducted a heavily armed raid on a house in Balikesir. In addition to the reports of the existence of this house, the Ministry also had growing reports from local citizens about loud screams issuing from the building for “many weeks previously.†Ministry officials were able to capture six American citizens, all of whom claimed to be members of the USIA, a known branch of the CIA. Taken as evidence were many papers and documents that showed with great clarity that this house had been used as a CIA torture and murder house. Quantities of blood taken from drains are shown to have belonged to over thirty people. In a small furnace found in one of the rooms were found the remains of at least seven people, one of which was a 14 year old girl. Also found in the house were eleven Turkish children from ages three to ten, six girls and five boys. All had been drugged and police reports indicated all the children had been sexually abused for some time. Arrested were: Kenneth A, Myron G, Timothy MC, Robert A, Jacob Z, Arthur C and three Israeli citizens identified as Aaron R, Efram T and Yitzak Y. The Americans claimed diplomatic immunity and admitted only to being USIA officials. The Israelis were also stated to be of the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency.. The Ministry ascertained that none of the men had diplomatic immunity and although the U.S. Embassy protested, the Foreign Ministry declared all persons as persona non grata and ordered out of Turkey within a 24 hour period. All confiscated documents remained with the Ministry for further investigation Evidence found in the murder house included many torture devices, whips, cattle prodding electric devices and many ropes, shackles and other restraining devices. Also found in the murder house were a number of cameras and many films of naked children being sexually assaulted and, in one case, killed with a garrote. Subsequent investigation by Turkish authorities disclosed that the passports of the Americans were all fakes and that the persons were later proved to be:
· Kenneth A was actually Keith Leslie Urkhardt of 4400 East West Highway, Bethesda, Md. 20814
· Myron G was actually Istvan Prouty of 3400 North Venice St., Arlington, VA 22207
· Timothy MC was actually Thomas McAuliffe Porterman of 415 Russell Ave., Gaitherburg, MD 20877
· Robert A was actually Russell Allan Gordon of 1595 North Atlantic Ave, Cocoa Beach, FL 32931
· Jacob Z was actually George Berman of 10570 Main St., Fairfax, VA 22030
· Arthur C was actually Ervin Melrose of 3014 Brinkley Rd., Temple Hills, MD 20748 “
Well, isn't this interesting...the actual names of the accused perpetrators.
These accused and named as being murderers and pedophiles would have some serious explaining to do if they were to return home to my old neighborhood.
Regards...
Quote from: President George W. Bush on March 17, 2003And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning: In any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders."
http://www.gregandsheila.com/ag/bush.htm (http://www.gregandsheila.com/ag/bush.htm)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 28, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
What I am suggesting as punishment for war crimes criminals could never even come close to what the families of their victims would justifiably inflict on them...and amounts to nothing more than "what goes around comes around".
To try to compare me with people who torture innocent people is trollish, to say the very least.
Not trollish.
What you are saying is that it is OK to torture people SOMETIMES. As soon as you concedes that, that is it for your morality! YOU ARE NO LONGER MORAL. Because peoples bend that. First, it is OK to torture someone who tortured others. Next, it is OK to torture someone who did something else really bad. Next, it is OK to torture someone who you really really hate. Then, you can just torture when you feel like.
COME BACK WHEN YOU DECIDE TORTURE IS NEVER OK. Until then, you are a hypocrit.
I did not twist any of your wordses this time. You propose hanging people by the neck for extended periods of time, to prolong their torment. THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID. OWN UP TO IT. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT BACK, DO SO. But what you basically says is that you stand by what you said....... In that case, like I saids before, you are no better than the torturers. You are like Che or Stalin or whoever. You propose revolution. But the new czar is worse than the old czar.
Capn, that was very interesting about the Turkish torture house. Can we have a link please? If true it is quite a find!
Not directed at trolls...
Although I have stated my anti violence outlook many times here and on other forums, I cannot say that I would not find it mildly entertaining to see the war crimes criminals given a dose of their own medicine in the comedic manner I described earlier.
And when you really break it down, they would actually benefit from the experience...as they would get to come to some understanding as to how their victims felt...thus saving them the karmic step of reincarnating as a victim of someone like themselves.
The Whitehouse wood call it 'enhanced therapy'.
Regards...
Here is the link to the TurkishTorture House story.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2937.htm#007
And another incident just as sickening from Iraq.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53R07N20090428
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