Hello everyone ,
I been doing HHO experiments in the area of cooking .
I have built a prototype burner using 19 tips with approximate hole size of .010
I the lowest amount of gas that can be used is 2.3 LPM
The average amount of gas that can be used is 3.2 - 4.2 LPM
The maximum amount of gas that can be used without creating back pressure in my system is 6- 8 LPM
Here's a few of my videos I have posted on youtube ..
Tell me what you think ...
Showing the 19 tips burning off 3.2 lpm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8HQiPUElrU
Showing me cooking an egg with 3.2 LPM using 498 watts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7HlMTjKQfo
Hey JD,I am so happy you are cooking with HHO gas and I am happy to be one of the first to see it here so I can reply.I have seen hints of other people trying to cook and heat with HHO but overall information is rare because most people are talking about burning it in their cars.I think the reason you don't get flashbacks at 7 lpm is because you have a little pressure, couple that with small diameter tubes and of course have your bubblers in line.Two in series should keep you safe.I think too that small screen inserts might prevent flashbacks(not sure).I did not see how you generate your HHO but you seem to use household voltages.Is your HHO unit homemade or did you buy it?I think one could use wire coathangers for electrodes.They may get eaten up a bit but they are cheap to replace and a little bit of rust in the water never hurt the reaction anyway.Burning HHO creates a very hot flame,hot enough to slice through steel.If you have small children at home you need to be very careful around them.I think in one article I saw on the internet someone used a screen between the flames and the frying pan.He was also thinking about central heating with it too.Keep up the good work and be careful!Triffid
HI triffid,
Thanks for the comment .. I made my HHO cell myself .It is 72 6"x6"plates 16gauge 304L SS and yes I run it off rectified ac , I have a reservoir and I use 2 - 3 bubblers...I have done the car thing myself , but have come to the conclusion that there are way better applications of hho than in a car...I rarely get any flashbacks with this setup and my last bubbler has a reset top....my whole setup is very safe ....I been playing with stuff for almost 2 yrs now ....
I been working on this burner stuff for about a month or so now , and have plans of replacing 2 of my electric stove top burners with HHO when i get all the bugs out and have it 100% safe ...
I also have plans of making a Heater unit ...
I have been using hho mainly for soldering and a cutting torch , do off the wall experiments here and there. right now the cooking happens to be one of those experiments ...
Thanks for the input
Jdcmusicman
JD, I am very interested in your idea of making a heater with HHO. This is something I would like to do. I think this would be the best use with the way energy bills and all the talk about taxing energy more and more. Please keep us informed of any progress you make with it. Will the heater be a big furnace to heat an entire house???
Mark
HI mark ,
Thanks for the comment man
A lot of the info I have learn by doing the cooking experiments can also be utilized for heater ..
So far I have been able to run a micro torch at 123 milliliters per min , with no flashbacks , even if the gas gets cut off ...It has took me the past month to get this data thru trail and error ...
The hole size for my tips are approximately .010 in size ..
I started with 5 , then moved up to 9 then moved up to 19 tips...
if you take the 123 ml per min and times that by the number of tips I can determine the lowest amount of gas the burner will burn with...example 19x123= 2337mlpm or 2.33 LPM ..if i want 50 it would be 50x123= 6150 or 6.15LPM ..this is the minimum gas i can burn..
I tested this calculation successfully up to 19 tips , i plan to higher soon..
But anyway my plans for heating will be for my house , if everything goes right , I hope to use hho this coming winter ....
If you want to check out my experiments with different tip numbers and stuff , i have several videos on youtube user name jdcmusicman
Just the 19 tips i have right now running about 3-4 lpm would make a great room heater ...
I will keep info posted as I discover it ..I would like to see more people getting involved with the heating/cooking aspect of hho ..
Thanks jdcmusicman
I really am glad to see others here want to do cooking and heating with HHO.Its not the only way to go but its part of the solution.If a person can make fuel at home safely then his or her heating bills can drop a lot.I had two acres in arkansas where I set up two bricks,set an iron skillet across them,and cooked breakfast many times burning wooden twigs from a brushpile that was there when I bought the property.JD's setup brought back a lot of memories for me.I burned a lot of wood from that brushpile.I had cooked many a pan of eggs and bacon.I forgot to ask you JD what electrolyte you use in your homemade unit.I prefer baking soda solution myself.It is safe,safe,safe to use in the home.Triffid
Baking soda solution is cheap too!Triffid
Using baking soda is dangerous , it creates carbon monoxide and it greatly shortens the life span of your plates it will eat them up ....I use sodium hydroxide ,its safe , I probably have less in my electrolyte mix than they have in a bottle of dish washing liquid and it also used in some cooking recipes ..If used properly its very very safe ...not to mention when it has been run a while it turns into sodium hydroxide anyway ....and it really gunks up a cell .....2 thing I never put in my cells one is tap water and the other is baking soda ..
Thanks for the info JD,
I will have to check out your videos, but for now a couple quick questions for you. Where do you get your electrolyte? and if you already mentioned i forgot, but do you use a drycell or what is your cell design? I would like to make a drycell like woodpecker's design.
Thanks,
Mark
I use 100% sodium hydroxide and got it from Lowes ....
My cell is a dry cell form with 72 6"x6" plates split into 2 36 plate sections but all wired together running off rectified house current
304L 16 gauge stainless steel
I use 1/16" neoprene rubber 60- 70 durometer rated for a max of 214degrees F
1/2" high density cutting board for endplates
I use a top hole only design .
Woodpecker has a good design , pretty much most of the dry cells are basically all the same to some extent ...Most people use top and bottom holes , I prefer top only ..
Maybe this info will help ya man ..
Jdcmusicman
Dear JD,you are the first to tell me that baking soda creates CO.But not the first to say it eats up the plates.I have heard of a soap solution once before being used as an electrolyte(automatic dishwasher soap).They changed the name.It was electro-lux I believe.Any way your experiments so far caused me to have a dream.I dreamed that someone started up a magazine called"HHO TODAY" and there articles and interviews in the magazine.So I was sad to wake up to find out it was just a dream.Nevertheless,I thought it was funny to have a dream about HHO When I never had dreamed about it before.To be honest the baking soda would have to be used up to release any CO.It would have to be broken down.And I had never heard of baking soda breaking down while in use for electrolysis.I know about the plates being eaten up so no arguement there.I figure just use cheap replaceable metal like wire coathangers.It took me watching your videos to trigger a dream about HHO.
So keep up the good work.You never know when a big breakthrough will occur.Triffid
JD,after my last post here I realized the most voltage I have pushed through a baking soda solution is 18 volts DC.But you are working with much higher voltages(115volts).I have not done anything with baking soda soln at 115 volts.But I have done a lot with 18 volts and less.Really the ideal voltage is about 1.25 volts per cell or just a little bit less(1.12 volts).So I was never in a hurry to use household voltages.Triffid
JD,
I started watching your videos, I like your safety valve idea on the bubbler. I have a bunch of questions if you don't mind answering. Where did you get the neopryne gasket material you use between the plates? Is there a reason you used 304 stainless instead of 316? How is your cell wired; positive at one end and negative at the other or every few plates did you alternate a positive and negative? What size hole did you drill into the plates? Are your end plates material better then using acryllic/plexiglass (can handle higher heat?)? If they do handle heat better, where did you get that material from as well?
Thanks,
Mark
Definitely like the idea of using the output stream to run a wheel to turn a generator!!! genius!!! Looking forward to video on electrical info.
@Triffid
Although I am using house current , I have never use baking soda in a big cell , only in 12 volt applications , and my per plate gap voltage is always between 1.9 and 2.5 volts per plate gap..
My big cell is 72 plates , I have only have 2 connections ...
I have also so found that the sweet spot for my cell or any cell that i have built is 2.03 volts per plate gap..
I get the highest electrical efficiency at this voltage ....
@mark
I got the neoprene rubber off ebay from a guy named rubbermann7 .
I use 304 or 304L because it is cheaper , but the reason is I only have 25 dollars in the steel in my big cell, I got it from a recycle center , I only get stuff that is marked that way I know what I am getting..
I also not had any problems using 304 ,my electrolyte stays clean ..
I only have 2 connections one + one - ..
The hole size in my plates are 3/8"
I don't use acrylic because it expensive and plus its not compatible with sodium hydroxide ..
My end plates are Super High Density Polyethylene 1/2" cutting boards
Heres a link for them :
http://www.cuttingboardcompany.com/cuttingboards.asp?id=1
Thanks
jdcmusciman
For those of you wanting to go cheaper,thrift stores and garage sales are a good place to haunt.Just take a small magnet with you to select high qualiity stainless steel(magnet will not stick ).Cutting boards turn up too.I haunt these places too and see lots of possibilites.If you want to save time and have plenty of money garage sales and thrift stores may not be for you.I usually have more time than money.triffid
JD,Magnets assist in the electrolysis of water too.It takes less current to tear the water molecule apart.Your sweet spot might change(it would go lower).If you had large magnets(they have to attract each other).
Like this:NSNS
So your unit would be like this:NSunitNS.
I forget which pos,neg pole orientation is best.I don't think it matters but it might.Triffid
Yeah I have I thought of trying the magnet thing , several time but have not took the time try yet ...I do know that you can magnetically align the plates and that will increase efficiency just a tiny bit , but its very time consuming..I still may try magnets sometime in the future .
I have several ideas that I am working on for possible efficiency raising that involves capturing lost energy from heat and gas flow ...
Thanks ..
Jdcmusicman
Jd can you do a heat measurement for me. Take a known amount of water, measure the temp, then put it on the hho burner, and measure how long it takes to increase the temp. How much temp is not really important, the time it takes to raise 1 degree would be fine. With this I can calc the btu,kj,kcal, and compare that to the energy input to the cell, and get an eff. number for the system.
I will share all calculations with you of course.
@ D3
Sure , I will try to get some temp readings and all for ya sometime this week if I have the time ..
Should have some by the weekend either way ...
Jdcmusicman
Of the two gases,one is repelled by a magnetic field and the the other one is attracted to it.I dream of a magnet strong enough just to rip water apart on it's own,but so far as I know they simply assist an electric current in doing so.Triffid
Old, dead, throwaway microwave ovens would be a good source of strong magnets.Triffid
@Triffid
Man that would have to be one heck of a magnet to rip water apart ..
If you ever make anything like that I would sure like to see it ...
I have some small neodymium magnets they are strong but not that strong ..
Maybe someday I will tinker with them on a cell and see what happens .
jdcmusicman
I have combined magnets with electrolysis of water.I did see more bubbles with the magnets than without them.I saw one experiment where two magnets were causing bubbles but they turned out to be a weak battery causing a current .Two nickle plated super magnets became a pos end and a negative end with the result a weak current flowed between them.Of course the magnets helped the formation of bubbles.At first it looks amazing because of no external input.But when one magnet corrodes and the other one does'nt.I knew that this was acting like a battery too.So only use plastic magnets(no metal plated ones)The magnets out of old microwave ovens appear to be plastic.Triffid
Two pieces of the same metal can be disimilar enough to cause a small voltage between them.You can take can lids from two different steel cans,Put them in vinegar and get about one /tenth of a volt out of them.Thats why two nickle plated magnets can generate a small voltage between them in vinegar.Triffid
Use plastic to separate the metal plated magnets or they will ground each other and you see no bubbles.Try the plastic head of a flyswatter(I used a plastic fork myself)Triffid
It may take a couple of days to see bubbles.Triffid
So no more posts here?I was serious about what I said here.There was even a patent granted on it back in the 1930's.Off and on like twice since then someone published a small article about a couple of magnets generating HHO without current.I did the experiment myself.I soon found out that a small current was being generated between the two magnets.I was jumping up and down when I first saw the bubbles streaming.When I noticed that one magnet's nickle plating was coming off.I knew I had a battery action going on here.Triffid
triffid...
Hey man that is very interesting , sorry it took so long to respond I been busy..
So from what you are saying you can have 2 magnets generate its on electric and produce hho at the same time ...
Sounds almost to good to be true.
Could you fill me in on any specific ways to replicate this ..
I do not know when I will have time to but I would like to replicate this idea of yours....Thanks for the post
Jdcmusicman
I am still following yours posts as well. This site's new format makes it a lot harder to follow posts then before. The home page is too busy and any older posts get pushed off the screen. I do not like the new format of this site.
Mark
I had two nickle plated super magnets on hand.I placed them at the bottom of the plastic fork.They were kept apart(never touching).But the liquid was able to surround them when I put the whole thing in the electrolyte.For electroyte I used vineagar or baking soda solution.Never,never,never use salt solution.If you use table salt you are making CHLORINE gas and hydrogen gas.After I placed the plastic fork/both magnets into the electrolyte.I had to wait two days to see the bubbles.I was real happy at first but when one magnet started to corrode.I knew a weak electric current was being generated.Still the water breaks apart more quickly when the magnets are present.I would guess the voltage being generated was on the order of 1/10 volt.Not much in the way of amps maybe.I found it worked better using white vinegar straight out of the bottle.The baking soda solution worked too but had fewer bubbles.So I think of it as having an internal battery.This produces some bubbles but not a lot.Enough to see and get excited.Tiffid
as you were wanting to use the magnetic fields to break down the water and not a current why were you using an electrolyte?
Because the patent and the other two articles I had mentioned said that an electrolyte had been used.By the way that is a good question.I had not thought to ask it myself.Triffid
I took all the info I had ,the patent had an electric current mentioned in it because it was trying to state that less current was needed when magnetic fields were present than when they are not present.The other two articles simply stated that it worked and no one knew why exactly.But in repeating the experiment I did find the reason it worked.Triffid
I tend to set up some experiments and let them run for weeks.So after a couple of days when someone sees bubbles and tears down the experiment to put away the equipment will not see the destruction of the nickle plating that I saw after a week or two of operation.Triffid
You certainly seem to have a strange way of going about things Triffid.
Anyway, with a metallic salt as an electrolyte, there will be plenty of ions in the solution. These ions will be influenced into movement by an alternating magnetic field, just as electrons in a metal conductor are influenced by an alternating magnetic field. The important thing is that the magnetic field has to be either moving or constantly changing. A static magnetic field by itself will do nothing.
The movement created by the metallic salt ions will itself induce electric fields encouraging the water molecule to ionise.
Water alone does not self-ionise enough to be affected by a magnetic field, and the water molecule being electrically neutral will not be affected either, this is why an electrolyte is added.
In this case I guess I was clueless.I just didn't see the irony in it until now.Still,the experiment had value.I now see how this works.Anyway I didn't mean to take this thread from JD.I just wanted to let people know that magnets will assist electrolysis of water.If you insist on putting them in the solution use plastic magnets,otherwise you can put them outside of the container close to the electrodes.Triffid
Plus,I never said I was normal.Triffid
The very last thing I want is to be considered 'normal'.
Regards...
Just to let everyone know my progress so far and get this thread back on topic of HHO cooking ...I am in the process of making my burning into a permanent copper one..Will hopefully have it done by Wednesday...Will be posting videos and more test data when I get everything right...
Thanks Jdcmusicman
Got my new burner all soldered up ...
Will have some test data coming up in a few days or so ...
19 tips copper tubing ....
heres a first look at it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xFePpluIa8
Thanks Jdcmusicman
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Hi everyone,
you can buy complete stoves or just the burners from several companies in Asia. They have offices in the USA as well. these are all hho powered and you might pick up a few ideas how they arrange there jets etc.
HHO has been used for coking for well over a decade now . Hook up to some solar cells and call it sungas lol.
Kind regards
Mark
Quote from: jdcmusicman on May 12, 2009, 08:21:23 PM
Got my new burner all soldered up ...
Will have some test data coming up in a few days or so ...
19 tips copper tubing ....
heres a first look at it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xFePpluIa8
Thanks Jdcmusicman
Aren't you worried about the copper oxidising ???
Hey everybody , just a quick update ...
I have not had any time to play /test stuff lately and its been so hot out by the time I get off work ,I'm drained ...Plus I don't need the extra heat the hho makes inside or out ..
Hope to pick back up when the temp outside aint in the 90's
@markdansie , why buy something when ya can build it yourself..Plus buying already made stuff is easy , but it takes all the fun out of it and its cheaper to make ya own..
@CrazyEwok
Sure the copper may oxidize, so far it has show no signs of it..
I plan in the future to go all Stainless Steel , but for now I do not have the right tools for making a SS burner..The copper one only costed me a few bucks to make , I'm sure I will get my money worth out of it ...
But anyway I will be posting Data soon when the Summer heat is passed ..
Thanks Jdcmusicman
Any links mark?
This might be a best guild for your experiments. You have a lot of experience that you done to do this. It was also the way that having a experiments could be a best development from cooking with HHO.