At least Mylow's motor got me motivated to try an idea I had for years. It works in my head, but like most , the real motor won't. But please look at the photo. It is so stupid simple, that somebody should be able to get it to run.
All poles face the same direction. 3/16dia X .750 long. (1.500 gears.)
A simple steel mag shield is supposed to attract the front mags, and shield their ability to repel, until they get past the shield, then once past the shield they are supposed to take off like crazy and save the world.
I tried different thickness shield, but nothing worked for me. I hope it gives somebody an idea.
Enjoy my first attempt. I'll be back......John
Hi John,
Very nicely built setup. I have seen similar drawings on such setups in old patents and one of them had a V shaped screen where you have now the plate shield. The apex of the V shape pointed towards the center between the two wheels, guided even further, passing a little over the center line of the two axles. Also, the arms of the V coming away from the apex were gradually thickening, following the circle shape of the gears for about a quarter of the full circle so that the magnets next to the two shield walls could also attract better to the shield, increasing torque. It is true I have never seen a working prototype... If you think I can look up the patent numbers by tomorrow, maybe something else can turn out of them for you.
What I can judge from your picture the diameter of your gears (i.e the rotating disks) are small for the possible strength of the Neo magnets. Too strong and maybe distorted static field near to each other, would be better to use at least gears of a CD disk diameter or even bigger. It is sure that with a thick enough V shape shield the magnets will not "see" each other till the apex of the V... but the question is whether it is already enough condition for running?
Keep up the good work.
rgds, Gyula
Gyula, Thanks for the reply, I bought three pairs of gears. Those are 1.500" Dia. I also have 2.000" and 2.250". If I make another attempt at this, I was going to fix the magnets so they meet horizontally like two pencils with erasers pointing towards each other. I would place them on a separate plane, off the gears, and make them come within .050 of an inch of meeting. This I would do on the 2.250 gear set. I allready have the holes drilled and tapped on that fixture plate.
Making the fixture to hold the magnets would take a couple days across my manual machines. But I wanted to try once more with the same magnets. I really didn't want to try to space them further apart' mostly because of the minimal amount of work the motor would create. I want to make motors that fly planes and power cars. not just light up a LED bulb. If this motor turned, I envisioned 5 or 7 gears laying side by side,
And now that I posted that PDF, I see an older drawing got downloaded with the magnets still parallel to each other. So use your imagination and lay them like pencils, eraser to eraser....It's late for me.
....John
Nothing can shield a magnetic field, except another magnet or super conductors. And so I do not know where this idea is coming from or where it is going. Please tell me the material that you are using to shield.
With this base idea the object isn't to shield but redirect.
Put the gears on the end of like drums, side by side. Place the magnets in a spiral form around the drums (like mirrored barber poles.)
Continue the design so all magnets are in attraction mode 2/3rds of the time of rotation within dual, graduated distance shells and repel mode, magnet to magnet, the rest of the time.
The point is to create larger number of mag-mag repelling than two magnets attracting to the metal separator they are being forced to leave behind.
Chew on that for awhile ;)
BTW: Anything under 4 inches in diameter is nothing but a headache.
It is an interesting idea, maybe you could have more success redirecting the magnetic flux ("shielding") if you actually use weaker magnets.
Another thing that I have noticed with attempting PMM builders is that they are starting to look at using asymmetry, so far I haven't seen anyone use asymmetry in the form of magnetic field strength asymmetry...Just a thought...
Thanks everyone for the comments.You gave me more ideas that will keep me from going fishing today. I now see that this idea is nothing new, but my design is different in only a couple of ways.
This website at The Flying Dutchman shows just how close my design is to a previous one.
http://fdp.nu/zipper/
My idea is using a small gear set starting at 1.500" Dia. My theory was since magnets do most of the work so close (per this table)
http://kjmagnetics.com/pullforce/D3C_MSA.asp
My next attempt will be to use a small magnet (I need to order a .062 X .750) and thin steel shim stock bent into a "V".
Once again, use your imagination here, I know enough about AutoCAD to be dangerous. That's all.
Hi John,
Would like to refer to a patent I mentioned already to you but sorry for forgetting an important part of it: it uses an pulsed electromagnet to help the rotors pass over the dead center....
Go to this free patent server link http://www.pat2pdf.org/ and enter this US patent number: RE29165
It is the reissue of an earlier US patent: 3895245
I think the description sounds correct. The drawing shows the apex of the V shield does not reach the geometrical center but ends earlier than that, I think it would be worth extending it further than the center line. It is possible it was a deliberate patent "trick" drawing like that, so that a pulling pulsed electromagnet could be included to avoid the 'perpetum mobile' look or claim...?
Good luck,
Gyula
I CANNOT figure out why NOBODY looks at this Magnet Motor.
This one WORKS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
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Quote from: FatBird on April 27, 2009, 10:10:40 AM
I CANNOT figure out why NOBODY looks at this Magnet Motor.
This one WORKS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
Trying to kiss up to me, eh? :-*
I also don't understand why more people don't take this device seriously. But then I am a bit biased. ;D
there's a 300 page thread aboutthis very device that is called an ocmpmm
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3871.3010
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:OC_MPMM_Magnet_Motor
plenty of people are working on this very idea and a lot of tough has been put in feel free to read the 300 ish page to get up to date ;)
Quote from: 0c on April 27, 2009, 10:17:02 AM
Trying to kiss up to me, eh? :-*
I also don't understand why more people don't take this device seriously. But then I am a bit biased. ;D
Maybe people could use their non-working mylow wheel as a basis to work on OC`s idea? ;D
Quote from: Lakes on April 28, 2009, 05:31:08 AM
Maybe people could use their non-working mylow wheel as a basis to work on OC`s idea? ;D
Nice thought, but I don't think it would work due to eddy currents in the aluminum. If the WhipMag has a chance of working, it will most likely require a nonconductive rotor disc.
Quote from: FatBird on April 27, 2009, 10:10:40 AM
I CANNOT figure out why NOBODY looks at this Magnet Motor.
This one WORKS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
any news on this one? anyone tried to replicate it?
Hi kalstrom_74
I think it was shown to be a fraud.
peter
Quote from: FatBird on April 27, 2009, 10:10:40 AM
I CANNOT figure out why NOBODY looks at this Magnet Motor.
This one WORKS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
Horrible video quality, horrible lighting, no schematics to tell us how to reproduce it, so there's no independent validation. The design looks simple - make a 10-minute video going from independent parts to a constructed machine with a well lit room and a person in the room at all times (to avoid accusations of fakery) and I think that we'd all be right there reproducing it and validating it.
Quote from: solinear on June 25, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
Horrible video quality, horrible lighting, no schematics to tell us how to reproduce it, so there's no independent validation. The design looks simple - make a 10-minute video going from independent parts to a constructed machine with a well lit room and a person in the room at all times (to avoid accusations of fakery) and I think that we'd all be right there reproducing it and validating it.
It's an admitted fraud. Tons of discussion about it.
It's amazing how much disinformation there is on the net.
That motor has been around for a while, but what you are saying about it is wrong. From the very first moment, the builder (somebody called "alsetalokin") always said that it was not a free energy device and could not be running on the energy of the magnet interactions. And of course I agree.
There seem to be more fully detailed plans for this device, as well as exact specifications for all the parts (except maybe the rotor magnets), and many replicators who have actually followed directions have been able to verify many of the claimed behaviours of the device. Some have even reported acceleration, although I personally think these observations are likely to be in error.
I missed the part where it was proven to be, or admitted to be, a fraud, though. Maybe you could provide a link?
I mean, if it does what it's supposed to do, and the builder tells you that it cannot be OU or magnet-powered, how could it be a fraud? The most I think you can legitimately say is that your copy doesn't seem to work like his does.
I agree, what do you think is making it spin Tk?
Quote from: Lakes on June 25, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
I agree, what do you think is making it spin Tk?
Yeah TK, why don't you do a Mylow type debunking investigation on that whipmag thing? :)
Quote from: Lakes on June 25, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
I agree, what do you think is making it spin Tk?
Are you sure it's spinning at all? Maybe it's actually precessing, or nutating or something. I have it on good authority that involving the third dimension of motion may overcome the traditional objections to these designs working.
I mean, if WM2D says it will work, what could be the problem?
But anyway, I think we can rule out the Fishing Line drive. That narrows the possibilities down somewhat.
TK
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Are you sure it's spinning at all? Maybe it's actually precessing, or nutating or something. I have it on good authority that involving the third dimension of motion may overcome the traditional objections to these designs working.
I mean, if WM2D says it will work, what could be the problem?['sarcasm' IMO by chet]
But anyway, I think we can rule out the Fishing Line drive. That narrows the possibilities down somewhat.>quote
SOOO.....
What would those possibilities be
I heard speak of a virtual magnet once
Chet
I made an interesting and brilliant reply to justalabrat, but it seems to have vanished into the most recent "backing up the database" outage a few minutes ago, and I can't seem to reconstruct it.
Have you ever seen so many outages from a forum for "backups"? This is the onliest one I know of that does that.
Anyway, the OCMPMM doesn't interest me in the same way that Mylow did--primarily because Mylow and others tried right away to make a profit from the thing, and because Mylow looked us right in the eyeballs and called us by name, while knowingly lying to us...
@ramset: I think that there is some wiggle-room in the device you mention. I believe that the various videos and experiments and replication attempts have ruled out almost all logical possibilities. But certain omissions have occurred, which when considered carefully just MIGHT provide a reasonable and rational explanation of the long reported run and the apparent acceleration in the first "dark" video. I have my own conjecture in this regard, but I don't want to share it, because I think it will have much more impact if it is presented, logically and with evidence, by someone else. Let's just say that it doesn't involve "AGW" or getting energy from the magnets themselves.
I know this isn't very helpful, but really, the matter is out of my hands and I just can't add anything new to the discussion.
:-\
What about the thing being an electric motor itself? The way it spins and sounds, with all the bad quality, does come across very "natural" to me. And, I can imagine how the great difference in size between rotor and stator, the friction on the stator would ramp up quicker, causing a timing difference to naturally appear which then causes the overunity effect. The stators want to be unity as all other devices like it, but once in phase, can't quite speed up/brake fast enough for that to keep happening. Does that make any sense?
I hate uncertainty always surounding OU claims. Even if the devices are real, they make us believe less due to lack of confirmation/replication. And an inventor always only maks one device, which then disappears or is disassembled for further incarnations. There shpuld be laws against playing with the future of the world, like swearing in public for some countries. The Word is important, and is not to be used in vain.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 25, 2009, 02:24:57 PM
@ramset: I think that there is some wiggle-room in the device you mention. I believe that the various videos and experiments and replication attempts have ruled out almost all logical possibilities. But certain omissions have occurred, which when considered carefully just MIGHT provide a reasonable and rational explanation of the long reported run and the apparent acceleration in the first "dark" video. I have my own conjecture in this regard, ...
Personally, I think you have a bit more than "conjecture" about that ommitted "reasonable explanation". I'd like very much to see a thorough explanation and some photos or videos of the drive mechanism.
Quote from: TinselKoala
... but I don't want to share it, because I think it will have much more impact if it is presented, logically and with evidence, by someone else. Let's just say that it doesn't involve "AGW" or getting energy from the magnets themselves.
I have seen firsthand a replication that could do exactly as you describe, however it was not constructed very robustly and was broken at the time I saw it. But if repaired, and the video was properly scripted, it could have done what was demonstrated. I don't think there would have been 17,000 joules available though (I don't think those button batteries can store that much), and I don't think it would have spun overnight as was claimed for the OCMPMM.
Quote from: TinselKoala
I know this isn't very helpful, but really, the matter is out of my hands and I just can't add anything new to the discussion.
:-\
You "can't" or
WON'T add anything new to the discussion? It's only out of your hands because you refuse to dig it up.
It's out of my hands because I am not totally in control of my existence. Much to my dismay.
So, OC, by your statement, you have actually gotten closer to a working OCMPMM than I ever have, so why are you asking me questions? Never mind, I think I know. You think I have information that you don't have. But I don't. Sorry.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 25, 2009, 06:14:03 PM
It's out of my hands because I am not totally in control of my existence. Much to my dismay.
For the things you do, you seem to have a lot of control. Conveniently, it's only the things you
don't do where you lack control. Why is that? Sounds like a lame excuse to me.
Quote from: TinselKoalaYou think I have information that you don't have. But I don't.
Regarding the actual device in question, yes, I think you have some information I don't have. I have seen firshand how something can be created which appears to behave like the device in the video. Is that what was really done? At a minimum, with the tools and skills that Alsetalokin guy has at his disposal, I'm sure it would have been crafted to more exacting tolerances and been more aesthetically pleasing.
What motor was used? What batteries? How was it switched on? Was some of that noise in the video coming from the motor? There seems to be a lot of information I don't have. If the device isn't very interesting, why not reveal every scandalous detail?
Enquiring minds want to know!