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Title: At what point does resistance not count as a voltage divider
Post by: CrazyEwok on May 29, 2009, 12:55:09 AM
Drifting off into the world or free thinking this morning i came up with the following thought. Resistance in series (as has been stated) counts as a voltage divider. BUT a connection of copper wire doesn't count as a section of resistance. Copper wire does have a level of resistance in it, so i have the thought of what point does resistance count as a voltage divider? Then what is it that makes it at this point? will an increase in volts and/or amps increase/decrease this point, or is it simply a matter of Watts. Theory is if you can overcome the natural resistance of the water would that not create a better enviroment for electroysis? also if it is a simple matter of increasing volts or amp (indervidually with the aility to sacrifice the other) you could then use it in series for maximum efficentcy... just a thought and any info would be fantastic.
Title: Re: At what point does resistance not count as a voltage divider
Post by: TheNOP on May 29, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: CrazyEwok on May 29, 2009, 12:55:09 AM
Drifting off into the world or free thinking this morning i came up with the following thought. Resistance in series (as has been stated) counts as a voltage divider. BUT a connection of copper wire doesn't count as a section of resistance. Copper wire does have a level of resistance in it, so i have the thought of what point does resistance count as a voltage divider? Then what is it that makes it at this point? will an increase in volts and/or amps increase/decrease this point, or is it simply a matter of Watts.
technicaly, resistors in series always count as voltage divider.
normally wires and connectors resistance are so low that they are usually not meaningfull when calculating the total resistance of a circuit.
there are times when you would need to take them into account, but this is not the case in what you want to do.

you can't change only the amps unless you was restricting it, at the power supply, in the first place.
the maximum amps that can circulate in a circuit is set by the voltage and the resistance of that circuit.

watts are the voltage * the amps as you already know.
but what you might not know is that the watts are also (amps * amps) * resistance and (volts * volts) / resistance

Quote from: CrazyEwok on May 29, 2009, 12:55:09 AM
Theory is if you can overcome the natural resistance of the water would that not create a better enviroment for electroysis? also if it is a simple matter of increasing volts or amp (indervidually with the aility to sacrifice the other) you could then use it in series for maximum efficentcy... just a thought and any info would be fantastic.
if you lower the resistance of water, with additives such as koh or soh, you will rise the amps.
but more amps does not mean more efficientcy.
it mean more gases output.

efficientcy is about using all the electrons charges for the purpus of electrolysis only.
that is why you should keep the voltage as near as possible to the electrolysis process minimum starting voltage, to minimize leakages.

additives have good effect on the process for producing more by lowering the resistance and rising the amps.

at the contration i have experimented with, i could not see any meaningfull changes in results to say if they are good or not for the efficientcy.
Title: Re: At what point does resistance not count as a voltage divider
Post by: CrazyEwok on June 10, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
i was simply asking about the point of resistance in water... everything has resistance... thats why power lines run at high voltages "to overcome the resistance in the wires" so your telling me that the resistance in those wires is dividing the voltage??? hmmm serious calculations for people who add houses or remove houses from a grid... Hmmmm.... there would have to be a point or tipping point at which resistance no longer counts as a voltage divider...