I wanted to idealize the idea of a perfect spacecraft and its technology or at least a technological direction that would lead to perfect technologies that include energy production.
lets just say it would be the ultimate Noah's Ark.
please feel free to voice your ideas and directions about how we can accomplish this ultimate future of mankind.
Jerry
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onthecuttingedge2005 said:
>>Okay, I can see that. But think about this with regard to this thread:
Take two equally long magnet wire spools at the edge of the universe and then unreel them by centrifugal force. Light and radio waves at the edge of the universe will energize the spinning wires, even at that distance. They just need to be long wires.
This technology will work anywhere.
--Lee
Hi Lee.
I do agree that a tethered system would work but carries a lot of problems, the hazard of a wire miles and miles long leaves the wire exposed to a lot of particles wandering around between 10k and 50k miles and hour, if you are deep in space it would be very bad to start losing tether wire left and right with limited resources at hand, it would be better to have a more compact system that's protected as a core reactor like Fusion. Deuterium and or Tritium goes a long long way in a fusion reaction of higher efficiencies approaching 99.999%
other methods are Anti-matter to matter reactions and also dimensional energy collecting but they are highly spectacle at this time.
Fusion Energy would buy us time until the other forms of energy collecting are researched and tested and brought to efficiency levels required by a biological conservative system such that is found on a spaceship bound for other systems at extreme distances away. even if worm hole travel is found and utilized doesn't mean we would find a life supporting system in time before our resources were exhausted.
I enjoyed listening to NASA when they tested the tethered system from the space shuttle, they all thought they were going to die and were screaming loudly on the transmission when it failed with an EMP that shuttered their electrical systems momentarily. Scary!
Jerry :o
I also wanted to point out that a perfect spacecraft would have no moving parts whats so ever.
even the occupants of the spacecraft are put in teleportation stasis meaning your body would become an entanglement of quantum energy stored in a teleportation buffer until the destination is reached and then the super computer re-quantifies the persons in charge to investigate whether the local area is worth re-quantifying all personnel from the teleportation buffers.
everyone while in the teleportation buffer would not age, would not use any food, would not produce any wastes, would not have any needs whats so ever while buffered in a tele-storage system.
it's a long way off but I can guarantee the technology will one day become self evident as our technology marches on.
we should open our own discussion forum here on "The Perfect Spacecraft", I would be glad to share some of the things I see in the near future that would benefit mankind.
with a perfect teleportation system it is possible to store billions of people, Animals, Plants, Seeds in the buffers for thousands of years on board a small perfect spacecraft running on a fusion reactor at 99.999% efficiency.
the most efficient Noah's Ark.
Jerry
You will need to find a way to non-linear travel.
Any idea that involves linear travel with conventional means is not viable if you want to go interstellar.
There was a presentation by Bob Lazar who claimed to have worked in S4 "dreamland" and who has been mercilessly attacked by everyone shouting hoax.
The theory was that an at that time unknown element (Element 115 - UnUnPentium or UUP) was used to generate the gravity field for “Space-Time Compression.â€
The funny thing is that at the time Lazar made his statements there was no such thing known to science as Element 115. (November 1989).
It was discovered in February of 2004, almost 15 years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_115
Delta configuration:
When you're distorting space/time and you have the ability of generating an intense gravitational field, then the fastest way from point A to point B is to distort, or warp, or bend the space/time between points A and B, bringing points A and B closer together. The more intense the gravitational field, the greater the distortion of space/time and the shorter the distance between points A and B.
Omicron configuration:
When a vehicle is near another source of gravity, like earth, the Gravity A wave, which propagates outward from the disc, is phase shifted into the gravity B wave, which propagates outward form the earth, and this creates lift. The gravity amplifiers of the disc can be focused independently and they are pulsed and do not stay on continuously. In the Omicron configuration, one amplifier is pulsed and the craft essentially floats on the neutral established by aiming these two gravities at each other and changing the phase. In this case, the other two amplifiers are free to bias the craft in a lateral direction as well as being used to pick things up.
So you simply collapse space and pull a tiny point of the location you wish to be in towards you. You "hop" onto that point and restore the continuum. Presto. You have instantly covered the distance in a non linear way.
More here:
http://www.boblazar.com/closed/gravity.htm
The complete 1989 presentation used to be online @ Google video but they took it down.
Backup here:
http://www.archive.org/details/antigravity
Watch and judge for yourself. Then research the smear campaign and ask yourself why he was buried like he was.
AZ
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...it would be very bad to start losing tether wire left and right with limited resources at hand, it would be better to have a more compact system that's protected as a core reactor like Fusion. Deuterium and or Tritium goes a long long way in a fusion reaction of higher efficiencies approaching 99.999%
>>Right, with a mature technology base to draw upon. However, at the edge of the universe, matter like H2, D2, T2 (hydrogen, deuterium, tritium molecules) will probably be hard to come by that far from a star or gas cloud. That means taking your fuel with you or using a Bussard ramjet?
I do admit a long wire requires a magnet field to produce electricity, yes? I see either way would be hard-pressed to provide usable power in the middle of nowhere.
Maybe the utilization of intergalactic 'aether' might be necessary--if that's reliably possible.
Earth systems exist, but do they work at the edge of the universe?
--Lee
The image below shows a sample of molten aluminum (the glowing sphere) levitated in an RF (Radio-Frequency) coil. Water-cooled copper tubing carries the RF induction power to the specimen. The crucible here can be vacuum or an inert gas. Research in levitation melting have been conducted on planet Earth at the Institute for Materials Research, at the University of Leeds. For more information on this technique, visit the Ameritherm web pages. NASA has conducted much research on making metals and alloys in the vacuum of space where one can not only take advantage of RF (or laser) heating: but one can eliminate the influence of gravity and atmosphere in the solidification process. For information about micro-gravity materials research, link to the following pages.
http://www.ameritherm.com/video_levitation.html
http://www.ameritherm.com/overview_levitation.html
The principle of inductive heating and levitation using microwave emitters is also known like that in what Bob Lazar deems Gravity amplifiers if that is what he wishes to call them, the emitters were Nuclear powered MASER guns that induce RF and electrical induction into a heated medium which causes said medium to repel against the reaction field in the opposing direction. nothing new under the sun here.
the state of the art is using a RF repelling Plasma like that produced via Fusion production wastes that are channeled into a theoretical Plasma Bow tie Antenna envelopes, the rear of said Plasma envelopes are backed by super cooled Diamagnetic reflectors that focus the Levitation field uni-directionally at right angles to the opposing Plasma source.
the correct RF frequency to levitate a craft is matched by a real time spectrometer which analyzes the surrounding atmosphere and matches the Radar frequency that is most reflective to that opposing Gas, Liquid, Solid. the returned opposing field remitted causes the super cooled Diamagnetic reflective backing to repel the returned RF wave, this in principle needs power sources of RF energy that can only be accomplished via Nuclear to Electrical conversion of energy. regular sources of electrical power output just don't have the energy potential to levitate heavier that air systems efficiently.
Microwave RADAR is the in thing when it comes to levitating Molten bodies in an opposing field but RF Plasma Levitation is probably about as good as it gets, the RF Plasma emits a powerful source of field energy that emits the field at right angles to an opposing supercooled Diamagnetic reflector that directs the field in such a way as to levitate the body in a preferred direction using a Plasma Bow tie Distributor system.
as far as getting from point A to point B, in Physics there is what's called the 0 point dimension or 0D then 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, the 0 dimension by definition is a closed wormhole, it is a contraction of space time which leads to all time and all possible Universes within the entire system, the question is how to go about opening a wormhole throat by dilating the 0 dimensional diameter of a wormhole so that a spacecraft can enter safely without being destroyed via re-contraction of the wormhole throat that would squeeze a spacecraft out of existence via the pressure of the fabric of space time itself at the 0D level.
The plasmas in question are Alpha Particles and or Omega Particles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Particle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_particle
my question is this, who time traveled back in time for which our ancestors confused them with being gods and such, they were evidently man made vehicles from the future Earth.
the great mystery is coming to a close soon.
who are the time travelers and what are their earthly names.
Jerry ;)
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...the state of the art is using a RF repelling Plasma...
>>The tesla cone coil discussed elsewhere on Overunity was capable of levitating a spacecraft with just an electric charge from a Tesla coil.
Think of the Earth being negatively charged and the ionosphere as positively charged. Resonating a Tesla coil by feeding it properly tuned negative pulses connected the space ship's surface will levitate the ship away from the Earth up into the sky toward the ionosphere.
Another Tesla coil, oriented 90 degrees to the first, using positive pulses can steer the ship with distinct, 30 degree quadrants electrically isolated from the rest of the ship and having the steering coil point in the desired direction.
(The ship accelerates toward the preferred direction by electrical attraction involving attraction toward the negative ions in the atmosphere and then repelled by the positive plate on the opposite side of the ship. The coil would have been turned by hand.)
This design was described in a book concerning the WWII/Pentagon cooperation efforts toward supposed aliens after WWII.
www.amazing1.com
www.rexresearch.com
and, Adventures Unlimited Publishers have a lot more information for a price, obviously. I leave it to the reader to decide whether or not the information is worth serious entertainment.
I present the opinion I do understand the WWII design, but high voltage ionic radiation makes precise manufacturing techniques and flight operations imperative or else it's hazardous to fly.
--Lee
I think state of the art "Nuclear Magnetron Guns" have replaced the Tesla coils of old, Tesla coils were used to discover such technology and lead to it but it isn't the answer in the state of the art technology of plasma ships.
Jerry ;)
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I think state of the art "Nuclear Magnetron Guns" have replaced the Tesla coils of old,...
>>Right, the technology is newer, certainly. The experimental VASIMR plasma thruster uses a microwave antenna to ionize H2 or Li vapor and accelerate the resulting plasma.
Were you referring to something like is the U.S. Patent #4,495,442 ?
"Cold Cathode Magnetron Injection Gun"
View the patent at:
http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search
The injection gun fires electrons instead of microwaves to ionize thing(s) at the target. I don't know which is better or more efficient, though. What information that's available is quite possibly proprietary, or even classified.
Pictures and drawings of the VASIMR, however, look like the experimental setup should weight
tons with
thousands of feet of cables and wires.
And BTW, that picture of a drop of molten aluminum being levitated by a specially shaped RF wire antenna is something that surprised me. Never saw anything like that before. It does point toward the Germans---and later the Pentagon---using aluminum in their disc craft designs. I remember that now from the book I saw.
--Lee
As state of the art gets better, I think it would be more like this RADAR Array system except way more advanced, Nuclear Powered and super cooled, The Microwave RADAR systems are used to heat up an Antenna medium to its molten state and the applied Microwave RADAR RF field reacts with said Molten Medium, an Electrical field and induction current is induced into the Molten Medium via RADAR Microwave energy. it does require Nuclear Energy to feed this system or there won't be enough energy to get off the ground with standard generators and weight ratios.
the arrays are very much like the RF active denial systems used by riot control.
Jerry
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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As state of the art gets better, I think it would be more like this RADAR Array system except way more advanced, Nuclear Powered...
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Yes, nuclear powered. Adding a nuclear power source to a VASIMR thruster arrangement was in at least one source as being able to reduce thrust/power to mass ratio by at least 10:1 . It would still need to be assembled in space, and carry plenty of fuel in the spaceship tanks.
(I'm at a library, so all I can suggest now is to GOOGLize, "plasma thruster" "power source" and "nuclear". I believe I'll have more time this evening to research papers & reports from Gov't or academic sources and give you the 'Web addresse(s).
@all,
Later re-edit:
Have a look at this: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/fed/summer00/smith.pdf
This paper deals with the VASIMR exclusively, but I still think adding a nuclear---or even a reliable fusion reactor---to power it will improve the overall power/mass ratio noticeably.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
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A lakhovsky coil could be used to generate electricity in deep space since its powered by radiowaves and cosmic rays.It would help us to "feed off the Land "as it were.You tap into them by induction.Triffid
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A lakhovsky coil could be used to generate electricity in deep space since its powered by radiowaves and cosmic rays.It would help us to "feed off the Land "as it were.You tap into them by induction.Triffid
Hi triffid.
can the lakhovsky coil idle at 1MW, how big would the lakhovsky coil have to be to idle at 1MW?
I haven't found to much details about it.
Jerry
www.copperhealth.com gives a lot of details on how to make and use lakhovsky coils.They are low powered but they could last for hundreds of years if not longer.I believe they could be used to power up capacitors which could be tapped to perform useful work.The largest I ever made was 25 feet in diameter.I did not have a good enough voltmeter to measure anything but I could feel a benefit from wearing these coils on my body(much smaller than 25 feet of course).To me they might be a power source that we need to examine more.Afterall cosmic rays and radiowaves seem to be everywhere in the know universe even if there is no strong sunlight present.Triffid
Their power output would be in the milliwatt range not in the megawatt range.But a man named Crump got a patent claiming he could power electrical devices just by using the free radio waves hitting his antennas.I myself measured .04 volts coming from a crystal set output.Not free energy since its coming from a radio station but free to me once I had the crystal set up and running.I could get that as long as the station is powered up.My voltmeter will only measure 1/100 of a volt.Its a less than $20.00 voltmeter from radio shack.I need one better to measure 1/1000 volts.Triffid
My 25 foot coil consisted of a 25 foot extension cord which had three wires(including a ground wire).I used the ground wire as a tap wire and the other two wires acted as lakhovsky coils.It generates ac if I am to believe what I read just like an antenna can be considered as a source of ac.Triffid
Here is one concept for fusion reaction I was contemplating by levitating and oscillating a D2 Droplet in X,Y,Z coordinates at Mach Velocities to obtain a Plasma Fusion reaction state, remember that successful fusion reaction gives out 30,000,000 times more energy than the best chemical reaction known to mankind. the magnetic fields used to levitate the droplet are also used to oscillate the droplet very very fast until collision states occur producing Plasma fusion. although the actual mechanism to do this may be a bit more complex it is the right path I believe to achieving over-unity and would Idle at high energies. it might be better to incorporate
superconductive XYZ Bitter Coils to achieve High end levitation fields to help in the reaction process.
Jerry
Hi triffid.
there is a way to help out with needed energy in space and was developed by NASA, the Satellite if given a very positive outer charge will attract free electrons in space and they would collect directly onto the skin of the satellite and then collected via a capacitor for power systems, I don't think they have tried it yet but it is a viable concept that could help start smaller processes needed if say the main power system suddenly cut out and needs some secondary source of energy to get it going again. just some thoughts.
Jerry :)
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there is a way to help out with needed energy in space and was developed by NASA, the Satellite if given a very positive outer charge will attract free electrons in space and they would collect directly onto the skin of the satellite and then collected via a capacitor for power systems,
>>Hi Jerry,
Do these Patents describe what you said above?
http://www.google.com/patents?id=ENkxAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0_0#PPA1,M1
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=IcsrAAAAEBAJ&dq=atomic+fusion+space&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=QZYCAAAAEBAJ&dq=atomic+fusion+space&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=2AoyAAAAEBAJ&dq=atomic+fusion+space&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100
Another thought occurred to me: A Bussard ramjet with a positively charged open cone leading edge would also attract electrons.
See also for a simple, basic example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet
--Lee
Hi the_big_m_in_ok.
I don't think the process was that complex, it was a concept that turned the outer hull or skin of a satellite into a positive charged antenna that attracted negative charged mean free electrons that are unbound in space.
I think the circuit design was similar to a simple antenna receiver circuit brought to resonance. I tried finding it on the NASA site but they move things over the years and I was unable to find the information, I don't even know if any thing came out of it because I don't hear anything about it anymore.
Jerry
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I don't think the process was that complex, it was a concept that turned the outer hull or skin of a satellite into a positive charged antenna that attracted negative charged mean free electrons that are unbound in space.
>>Hey Jerry,
Sure. Any high voltage circuit should do. However, Tesla found out the hard way that, say, 1,000,000 volts discharged into the atmosphere would transmute nitrogen molecules to a
highly radioactive oxygen isotope. Really!
After he learned this, he was leery about telling people about excessive voltage generators. Dangerous, to say the least. Would transmutation also be a problem with your proposal?
Also, wouldn't the positive voltage be neutralized by the electrons impacting the spacecraft?
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...I don't even know if any thing came out of it because I don't hear anything about it anymore.
>>They may or may not have classified it? In hindsight? It's pretty easy to take information off their server if they decide to.
--Lee
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onthecuttingedge2005 said:
>>Hey Jerry,
Hi Big M
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Sure. Any high voltage circuit should do. However, Tesla found out the hard way that, say, 1,000,000 volts discharged into the atmosphere would transmute nitrogen molecules to a highly radioactive oxygen isotope. Really!
This is true, the Higher voltages and Ampere at those ratings act as particle accelerators, I remember the Particle tubes that use to join the Tesla coils and van de graaff generators to collide particles.
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After he learned this, he was leery about telling people about excessive voltage generators. Dangerous, to say the least.
not to mention X-Rays and Gamma Rays and UV
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Would transmutation also be a problem with your proposal?
I don't think it would be in that magnatude, The skin of the satellite would be multiple layers build like the layers of a capacitor, conductor/dielectric/conductor/dielectric/conductor and so forth. the entire body is a capacitor that collects and stores the charge potential until it releases that charge into the system.
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Also, wouldn't the positive voltage be neutralized by the electrons impacting the spacecraft?
see above about capacitor skin.
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>>They may or may not have classified it? In hindsight? It's pretty easy to take information off their server if they decide to.
there were also some magazines that shared the article but I don't remember which ones.
Jerry
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...the Higher voltages and Ampere at those ratings act as particle accelerators, I remember the Particle tubes that use to join the Tesla coils and van de graaff generators to collide particles.
>>That's the thing I don't care for with Testatika. High voltage ionizes atmospheric gases and that increases power, but high speed particulate radiation as ions fly in all directions which irradiate everything nearby.
The Bedini motor and Tesla switch are much better.
--Lee
Its not too far removed from natural lightning creating a lot of short lived isotopes.I know for a fact that rainwater has some isotopes in it.The university of Arkansas use to collect rainwater (like 200 gallons) and boil it down to a single flask or beaker.Then use chemicals to extract the isotopes
and measure their concentrations.In this way they could always tell if a nuclear device had been exploded somewhere in the world even when that nation in question denied it.Triffid
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...In this way they could always tell if a nuclear device had been exploded somewhere in the world even when that nation in question denied it.Triffid
Hi triffid,
I'm not very familiar with nuclear weapons isotope emmisions with one exception: radioactive iodine. A botched underground test in Nevada released radioactive iodine vapor into the wind over ground zero
awhile ago, as in decades.
My point is: Are there many lighter isotopes available to make detection efforts worthwhile? Over several million square kilometers?
NOTE:
Tesla was concerned about radioactive O2, which I suppose he thought was bad enough to be a serious health concern.
Testatika has something in common with some of Tesla inventions: Emmiting radiation.
--Lee
If you will google up "nuclear chemistry" you will find a lot of answers there.Nuclear chemistry is not the same as mainstream chemistry.While I don't know a lot of particulars I was exposed to
nuclear chemistry for a year.So it makes perfect sense to me that natural lightning which makes some very shortlived isotopes just proves Telsa was correct when he talks about how high voltage electricity can make some isotopes.Triffid
Back in 1979/1980 when I was there a flash had been seen from orbit and they thought it was a suspected nuclear device being exploded .The nation in question denied it but laboratory results detected the increase in background radiation.So it was concluded that this nation in question had exploded a nuclear device.It was an ally of the USA.Triffid
I am old enough to remember being told not to eat the snow after an above ground nuclear test.
Whereas the natural made isotopes made during a thunderstorm are not strong enough to do much damage after a few days ,The new manmade isotopes would last a lot longer.Triffid
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...Whereas the natural made isotopes made during a thunderstorm are not strong enough to do much damage after a few days ,The new manmade isotopes would last a lot longer.Triffid
>>Right. I was told by a professional landscaper that rain falling during a thunderstorm has dissolved nitrogen, which acts as a natural fertilizer.
You're probably correct in saying natural isotopes are few in number and amounts
and spread out over very large areas. No harm to anyone.
However, I've seen (on http://www.amazing1.com ?) that a large Tesla coil can be built from their plans. Big voltage! :o ::)
Not a toy! Tesla knew that.
Okay, I looked. They do have the plans to a 1,500,000 volt "floor unit". This might not be enough to fuse or transmute atoms. I'm thinking 5,000,000+ volts---and Tesla's biggest coils could do that.
--Lee
at around +50Kv the Electron Targets can emit Low energy Gamma Radiation which can have a possibility of knocking a Neutron loose or can cause a substance to exhibit a small trace of Radio Isotope, for instance by exposing Aluminum to Gamma Radiation can cause Aluminum to become Radioactive very easily which in-turn emits radiation.
Jerry
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at around +50Kv the Electron Targets can emit Low energy Gamma Radiation which can have a possibility of knocking a Neutron loose or can cause a substance to exhibit a small trace of Radio Isotope, ...
>>Exactly. Tesla may or may not have known that with precision, but you're right. He knew by experience it would happen.
BTW,
Did you know that the Tesla coil in a specially configured form can effectively supply a useful amount of power?
The patent #7,235,945
"Energy Conversion Systems" was found by me at,
http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search .
This was the latest version of the patent. Several earlier versions were granted and then aparently improved upon.
The limiting factor for the Tesla coil is that it's Earth-based between the ground negative potential and the positive ionospheric potential. As a
The Perfect Spaceraft design, it's limited by proximity to the Earth or a large enough planet having a magnetic field. There are, I realize, other power sources available.
--Lee
Here is my Radioisotope Capacitor Concept for primary and or accessory power needs.
This also means I can recycle the Tritium by bombarding the Helium 3 product with Thermal Neutrons which in turn means the system will run until all Neutron emitting elements are depleted and all remaining Tritium is depleted.
the Neutron Source is not shown in this diagram.
Jerry ;)
Something funny I discovered.
Generally the production of neutrons at a spallation source begins with a high powered accelerator. This is more often than not a synchrotron. As an example, the >>>>ISIS<<<< neutron source is based on some components of the former >>>>Nimrod<<<< synchrotron. Nimrod was uncompetitive for high energy physics so it was replaced with a new synchrotron, initially using the original injectors, but which produces a highly intense pulsed beam of protons. Whereas Nimrod would produce around 2 µA at 7 GeV, ISIS produces 200 µA at 0.8 GeV. This is pulsed at the rate of 50 Hz, and this intense beam of protons is focused onto a target. Experiments have been done with depleted uranium targets but although these produce the most intense neutron beams, they also have the shortest lives. Generally, therefore, tantalum targets have been used. Spallation processes in the target produce the neutrons, initially at very high energiesâ€"a good fraction of the proton energy. These neutrons are then slowed in moderators filled with liquid hydrogen or liquid methane to the energies that are needed for the scattering instruments. Whilst protons can be focused since they have charge, chargeless neutrons cannot be, so in this arrangement the instruments are arranged around the moderators.
See also: ISIS neutron source and Spallation Neutron Source
Inertial fusion energy has the potential to produce orders of magnitude more neutrons than spallation. Neutrons can be used to locate hydrogen atoms in structures, resolve atomic thermal motion and study collective excitations of photons more effectively than X-rays.
WOW ok, I thought this was gonna be a serious discussion at first.
All this possible bullcrap. Its great to work towards, but its not replicatable, at least not by normal people. If it exists, and we doesn't have it then it might as well as not.
If your talking about a possible design of something that could be built right now, then the answer is simple. Its all around us.
Use a sphere, it is currently the best space ship in existance. it is the most material efficient, and can be spun to create gravity. Or at least an acceleration that resembles gravity.
until fusion becomes real, then use fision, we can create a biodome, that can support life indefinetly. So we could start on a journey to another start system. It wouldn't be safe, and it would take a few lifetimes, but it could be done.
Since technolgy may change during the building of such a ship, I would say start with the super structure, then fill it with the Biodome, while it is in orbit we can study the effects in the dome. when the biosphere is stable, then decide on propulsion, computer control, and the rest.
This would be a huge endeavor, and those who went would not make it back. thats a huge sacrifice. They would be farmers for their whole life, just to exist, while doing that they would study the ship, and space, send info back to us, and send out a beacon to any out there. Their main goal would be to teach their children how to run the ship, and maintain it, so that the 4th generation might make it to the nearest system. A few ships in a fleet would be a good idea.
All this space warpage and what not would be great, and by the time the first ship was halfway there we might figure it out, so send the warp ship to the first ships pick them up, and either give them a ride, or bring them back, but at least we would have made the first steps of a long assed journey.
Would I do it? Thats a hard question. since I have a family (children) i don't know that it would be fair to them, but then again would it be fair to force your unborn children to make the journey. At least I could ask mine right now. I just might give that a go. But since the ship is not being built right now, and I am not in nasa I wouldn't be given that option. But if I was, I think I would do it. Live here and do whatever it is we do here, or live there and do basically the same thing, exist, and live life. Why not. So long as we had one hell of an internet connection J/K.
If a fusion system was used for power, you could use the depleted fuel as fuel for propulsion, ionize it and use and accerator to eject it out the back of the ship. Uranium is heavy as all get out, and would make a good fuel. Plus its trackable.
Is there enough room to store the fuel and whatnot to make it work. I am not sure frankly. If fusion comes around then I an real sure, if its cold fusion (non radioactive) then it can be used as a power source and articial sun for growing.
it would be one hell of a ride.
Hi d3.
the fusion energy is used primarily for electricity production and the production of light, the vehicle is a Light propulsion powered ship. not gravity. it makes the sun seem somewhat dim by perspective. so much light energy that it would melt you. :)
Gravity ships are the fallen ones by symbolism.
Jerry
a light bulb sized reactor would not be so bright that it would melt ya.
Unlike fision, fusion can be made very very small, with no worry of china sydrome. These tokamacs are the biggest waste of time and energy i have seen.
But even a thermal system (nasa fisile material with striling engine) is a pretty long term power source, with propulsion fuel after its depleted.
just my .02, if we sit down a design the basics, you would be surprised at what happens. Talk about and it comes to pass.
To prove what I say is true here is how the Earth will end when the Sun changes to a Red Dwarf.
2Pe:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
this is what one will see if they where still on the Earth when it happens.
those in the four billion years into Earth's future came back to the past to tell you a story, it is up to you to listen. he came back into Earth's past to collect male and female species to take to other worlds that are not currently known at this time. the chances that anyone are chosen are slim to none.
I am an Athiest and a Saint, a drunkard, and a scientist and an amature physicist all rolled up into one d3
yes, he did send his sword to you and much more.
Jerry
oh shut up crack pot
Quote from: d3adp00l on June 29, 2009, 12:26:00 AM
oh shut up crack pot
apparently you have never been haunted by something you never really understood, but maybe you will someday. anyways, have a good evening where ever you are.
Jerry :)
Nature provided us with free fusion power from the star we call the sun.While I hear talk about solar sailing which could take us to other star systems by itself alone. I hear no talk about using solar powered rockets to get us to Saturn at least.How hard is it to focus sunlight onto a coil and push water through it,using the sun's heat to convert into steam?Why are we so blind when it comes to using the fusion power of our own star?Why can't we see the sun as a power supply?Triffid
onthecuttingedge2005 (Jerry) said:
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...the vehicle is a Light propulsion powered ship. not gravity.
...so much light energy that it would melt you. :)
Years ago, Keith Laumer(I believe), the Sci-Fi book author, wrote a novel about the initial confrontation between a warlike race(the Kzin?) and humanity.
The human ship was using an engine like---as you suggested---a huge flashlight or 60" search light. The humans, otherwise unarmed, used the ship engine like a
powerful :o :o laser to incinerate the alien ship's "bridge" and crispy-fry the alien captain. ;D ;D ;D
The major feature, and my point being, the human ship accelerated at a rate of about 1/100 of a 'G'. Your proposed spacecraft would necessarily be required to be built in orbit for starters, right?
here is the birth place of real lightship technology, the birth of it was developed as having it's energy transfered by a powerful LASER.
the end result of this technology uses self powered systems such as fusion power plants and varies Radioisotope energy systems to power a special light projection system that is similar but more advanced and better futuristic materials, perfect mirrors are one.
Super optical materials are also a must for trapping light and such materials are in their birth states as well, super dielectric mirrors and optics.
if you want to start in the right direction then watch these videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPM7wJAhovM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAdj6vpYppA&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07kZS13DEc&feature=related
it is only the beginning, NASA and Aerospace will continue this technology until it is perfected and self powered. NIF is also a factor in studying the power means for which to power the light Ship, they have already perfected the means to grow specialized crystals.
Aerogels are "Holy" materials that will make dreams come true. Efficiencies will skyrocket when super Aerogels take the place of normal materials.
also, firing a LASER at the perfect spacecraft only makes it more powerful because it will trap and utilize its energy for systems. it won't hurt it.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 (Jerry) said:
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...also, firing a LASER at the perfect spacecraft only makes it more powerful because it will trap and utilize its energy for systems. it won't hurt it.
Can you be more specific? How could this be done?
Allow me to make an offhand point:
I read
awhile ago,
"How do you burn through a mirror with a laser? Answer: Use a very,
very powerful laser."
Unfortunately, I know of no technology that can absorb that kind of energy and not remain undamaged. Think of your perfect spaceship falling into the Sun? You see my point? Same analogy.
--Lee
Hi Big M.
just as there are superconductors for Electricity there are also undiscovered materials which superconduct photons, they are known as Super optics which are super dielectric reflective systems that are cooled to become Super PhotoConductive, they would trap Photons into a perfect circle trap until it is saturated. this technology is also in its birth stages but continued research in the field will perfect the technology for the perfect spacecraft.
Super cooled Dielectric Mirrors are what you want to study in this area or field or field of study. it is not just mirrors but plate type and or Fiber optical and or flat Freznel type optical systems as well. there will be many types of this technology to study but it is the Super Dielectric Aerogels made of this material that will skyrocket the efficiencies of the perfect spacecraft.
also there will be Super Aerogels grown from nanotubes, buckyballs and exotic materials that are in the birth stages. Super Aerogels with hardness far surpassing standard material and made into thin film materials grown directly on to surfaces of the spacecraft.
Trap light and then redirect it.
Holy Holy Holy, so they say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnen2nSmDY
Jerry ;)
Seven eWe Lambs.
(eW)exaWatt-(e)energy (L)Light-(a)amplification-(m)mass-(b)Magnetic flux density
e.w.e.l.a.m.b
Seven Exa-Watt LASER systems feed the Ringstaked or the Wheels within Wheels which are actually super optical ring light traps, these rings are superphotoconductive materials that are made of exotic Aerogel material that are most holy.
Quantum Physics say if we can store light into a perfect ring and build up the photons within that ring then we can create a toroidal blackhole effect if the photon energies are calculated, this photon ring would become strong enough in force to dilate a 0 dimensional point in space time.
the exawatt LASER seems to be the key to Fusion Energy as well.
light of the Lamb
Jerry
This is what I saw, I saw an exceptionally brilliant Phyicist in Earths distant future who came back to the past and hid and shared Scientific information within ancient text.
but for who? intently. the people or the Government?
I think it was designed to fool people and deliver technology to the Government through higher end agencies.
Scientology suggests that anybody who does not have a perfect photographic memory is retarded, this is why the Government only allows the best minds to work in key locations. hording smart people to figure these things out.
it sounds like some conspiricy but I am pretty sure I am correct, the Government in the past is communicating with the Government in the future and bypassing the people by giving them a story that sets well with their minds. Give the people what they want and they are happy and nobody none the wiser.
you ever wonder why we became so accelerated in technology so quickly.
Jerry ;)
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...just as there are superconductors for Electricity there are also undiscovered materials which superconduct photons, they are known as Super optics which are super dielectric reflective systems that are cooled to become Super PhotoConductive, ...
Well, I'm not going to disagree with you, but I've never heard of this technology. Do you know more? Can you be more specific?
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...this technology is also in its birth stages but continued research in the field will perfect the technology for the perfect spacecraft. ...
Okay, if it does exist (I'll agree with you on that point---there can be classified Gov't "programs"), we may not hear about it for awhile---maybe a long time.
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...they would trap Photons into a perfect circle trap until it is saturated.
Super cooled Dielectric Mirrors are what you want to study in this area or field or field of study. it is not just mirrors but plate type and or Fiber optical...Trap light and then redirect it. ...
I
had >:( a U.S. Patent describing a free energy system involving something along the lines you told about. It used cadmium sulfide, CdS, a photoconductive compound, that had light shined on it to produce more electricity then the light bulb needed to work. There were even more photoconductive compounds described that were just more costly to mine and purify.
Now I can't prove it!!!! >:( >:( >:( I left my downloaded copy at home with relatives in Arizona. Looking for another copy on the Internet U.S. Patent database could take time. :( :-\ :'( :P
Later Re-edit:
Take a look at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?=5144.180, Reply #181
This is the Patent drawing I was thinking of. The light shines from the center, and then photoreactive compound(s) produce electricity from these light photons.
(One or more indium compounds are even better to use than cadmium sulfide.)
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Holy Holy Holy, so they say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnen2nSmDY
I wish I could look at more of these YouTube videos. There's only one
(!) reliable computer I can borrow that has the downloaded handshaking software and plugins to let me see them. Some of these videos can be lengthy, too.
Final comments:
Have you thought of the Unified Field Theory that was rumored to have been figured out by Einstein back in the mid-1920's? One could have everything with such a device, but that thread may already exist on Overunity in another forum heading? I'm not sure.
I've been thinking about the subject, and I've recently considered, by assuming the E=mc^2 is true, that mass, speed and electromagnet properties are equally non-dimensionally transferable in calculations. That is, that should equal each other in terms of quantities, but not necessarily on individual magnitude. Example: the 'E' in E=mc^2 is in ergs, which is also expressible as one gram moving one centimeter in one second. If that were multiplied by continuous time (seconds), then that would also equal acceleration (/sec/sec).
Acceleration is expressible as ergs, which is energy. See my point?
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
Just thought I would mention this somewhere here.On" Nova Now" on pbs I learned tonight that during the apollo missions a camera was left on the moon for two years.They went back and got it back to the earth and found that some kind of earth bacteria had hitched a ride inside and survived for almost two years on the moon in a camera somewhere inside.I heard this tonight.They were talking about how tough life is.They also said that europa is thought to contain twice the water in the earth's oceans.Triffid
So there was earth life on the moon for nearly two years in a vacuum,in the extreme cold and heat and the radiation from the sun.triffid
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnen2nSmDY
Okay, I finally got on a computer with the right software plugins, and all that.
This was a commercial film clip describing a silica 'aerogel' (or similar name). Excellent stuff. I'll remember that for use in aerospace applicarions.
Was your point that this stuff absorbed things like radiation, etc? If so, I agree, insofar as I understand how the stuff may react to outside influences.
Absorbing radiation may be possible if one remembers it's made of silica; it's just the density is very low, so a lot may be required to be useful.
--Lee
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...at around +50Kv the Electron Targets can emit Low energy Gamma Radiation which can have a possibility of knocking a Neutron loose or can cause a substance to exhibit a small trace of Radio Isotope...
@onthecuttingedge2005,
I had a thought on the process by which the occurrence above happens:
1) Electrons hit a neutral atom or molecule and knock off an electron from the outermost shell of the electrons orbiting the atom/molecule.
2) This action turns the atom/molecule into a positively charged ion.
3) Being an ion, negatively charged electrons behind, and approaching, to the first one are attracted to the newly created ion.
4) Protons (positively charged) are transmuted into extra neutrons by the incoming electrons (a proton and an electron make a neutron).
5) This action creates a radioactive isotope of either the same element or another near it on the Periodic Table.
DISCLAIMER:
I need to research the isotopes in terms of numbers of protons and neutrons to see if this is physically feasible.
At least you know my theory. Furthermore, Tesla probably finally figured this out and was reluctant in releasing more information about the Tesla coil.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
I will share the info on how the ship functions and its design in truth and how the occupants will be safe from radiation exposer. it is an advanced spaceship, I know basically what it is made of and the safety requirements that must be followed, if a physical model is made it has to be rigorously tested for malfunctions and defects.
Safety first.
I need some way of protecting the technology of this spaceship, If I don't patent it then someone else will, after I patent the technological spaceship I will release the information for the world to see hopefully through some space agency, I don't want it used for war, this is another reason I need a patent.
the only thing that really bothers me the most is that the vehicle is capable of time traveling, I don't know if this should be in the public domain because of the sensitivity it may or may not cause in current causality.
the price tag on the ship might make it untouchable to the public because its cost would be in the billions for scientific building, testing and research.
the vehicle is capable of achieving velocities unheard of while in space, I don't think that today's computer technology can handle it unless it is plugged into a super computer, maybe two to automate the ship.
there are other issues, it gets it's electrical energy from Radioactive Tritium and now there is a hazard all by itself, it uses the Tritium's Beta emissions collected onto the surface of capacitive systems. and it uses the Tritium in specific ways using high temperatures and Ionization techniques.
until then I am at a stand still.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I will share the info on how the ship functions and its design in truth and how the occupants will be safe from radiation exposer. ... I need some way of protecting the technology of this spaceship, If I don't patent it then someone else will, ...
Hi Jerry,
There's a problem in that. Certain patentees and a few UFO 'buffs' in the past have said the CIA and NSA review all patents whatsoever nowadays for classifiability (new word, I think. I was right. Not in the spell check dictionary. ;D :( :D ). My point is, President Eisenhower, in 1951 wrote an Executive Order to have this Agencies do just that.
If you can't patent it because it's classified, it isn't a publically available patent. That goes for anyone.
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...after I patent the technological spaceship I will release the information for the world to see hopefully through some space agency, I don't want it used for war, this is another reason I need a patent. ...
Did you know Alfred Nobel originally invented dynamite to merely blow up bothersome tree stumps safely? People will use inventions for bad purposes if it suits them. Nobody changes human nature by outside force. People changes themselves for the better, usually the hard way---with stress and hardship. At least that's what I've known.
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...the only thing that really bothers me the most is that the vehicle is capable of time traveling,...
Can it go faster than light (FTL)? There may be theoretical thoughts by some I learned of
years ago that the passage of time wasn't the same at superluminous velocities.
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I don't know if this should be in the public domain because of the sensitivity it may or may not cause in current causality.
Well, you can do what you like. We all would probably like to understand what you're trying to get at with your theory, I'm sure. Put in in simple terms, if possible.
--Lee
A teaser of the cherub. covenant: Class 8 there are nine orders of covenant class.
the living creatures that float all around the Cherub are St. Elmo's fire(Electrified and Ionized Particle spheres of energy as a result of the radiation from the Cherub both inside and out, it is a spallation of energy).
the Aerogel ship is also referred to as the Holy Ghost.
Jerry ;)
did you know, the last thing an enemy wants to see is a smile upon your face!
Martial Arts study.
Jerry
@Jerry:
I'm not up to speed on this thread yet (will be soon), but wanted to comment on the patent.
It will be denied for "National Security Reasons".
I am not trying to sway you to release or not to release. I understand your concerns in protecting the spaceship, especially in the hands of your enemies.
We can't change what has already been written, or can we?
Hi GB.
Wait till you get a load of the Angelic(Aerogel) City, 1500 Miles Cubed. Made entirely of Specialized Aerogel, it is so big that if it landed on Earth most of it would still be in space.
that is huge!
how much time do you think with the proper tools and equipment it would take to make a city that size.
Jerry ;)
Quote from: gravityblock on July 09, 2009, 02:45:39 AM
We can't change what has already been written, or can we?
Hi GB.
No, we can only read the information flow, everything in that information is already predestined.
if it could be changed we wouldn't be aware of it, it would always appear to be the same because of the illusion of relative perspective is outside our own preception.
I know these guys are from the future Earth, there are somethings which are not completely understood yet and might not be understood until then.
Jerry ;)
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@Jerry:
I'm not up to speed on this thread yet (will be soon), but wanted to comment on the patent. It will be denied for "National Security Reasons". ...
@onthecuttingedge2005(Jerry)
Try to take gravityblock's words seriously. The Federal Gov't wouldn't like for you to build a working prototype.
I think even Sir Richard Branson's SpaceShipOne would be condidered a national security risk to some in certain circles.
Also, I read your post above. I'm familiar with the Biblical aspects of descriptions of the prophet's spaceship visionary revelations. These men were unlettered sheepherders. It's all in symbolic references. That's about all they understood concerning what they saw.
What you're saying,
to me(nothing personal against you) comes across the same way as the prophet's descriptions. How about electronic schematics integrated with the ship's hull? Can you do that? With explanations?
--Lee
Hi Big M.
I have read the B.I.B.L.E(Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) everyday for 1 to 3 hours a day sometimes all day 24/7 365 days a year, Since I am of a Jack of all Sciences I began to see the Blue print of the Spacecraft as a technician and a scholar.
the scrolls including the copper scrolls were planted by the spacecraft team.
they purposely did what they did for reasons I don't quite understand, Timothy seems to be apart of that team, he is the one who visited the coppersmith for which I believe the copper scrolls were designed from. there is still one more copper scroll possibly in the same area as the one that was found, it might of been buried deeper into the cave as a backup.
there are so many things coming to light but I will do my best not to dis-inform you, I am only human and I make lots of errors but I do try to correct myself if I spot the error of my ways.
someone will go and retrieve the other copper scroll, it is worth more than all the gold and silver combined.
I guess I am just here to let everyone know, we are not alone!
Jerry ;)
If earth bacteria hitched a ride to the moon maybe it also hitched a ride to mars and venus?We could be terraforming mars right now and not know it?Triffid
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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Hi Big M.
I have read the B.I.B.L.E(Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
Sorry, my apology. I read this above too fast and thought you meant the Christian Bible.
B.I.B.L.E., you say?
I've read some things on the 'Web concerning UFO's and thought many of the literary works out there were seriously lacking in specific information. That said, there are one or two recent books that go into more detail. These concentrate more on Tesla's work with high voltage. Does your reference take up the subject of UFO construction and operation?
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... the scrolls including the copper scrolls were planted by the spacecraft team. ...
Who was this team? What did they come here for?
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...they purposely did what they did for reasons I don't quite understand, Timothy seems to be apart of that team, he is the one who visited the coppersmith for which I believe the copper scrolls were designed from. ...
Timothy? Who was this? A team member?
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...there is still one more copper scroll possibly in the same area as the one that was found,...
Who found it/them? What did the scroll(s) say, if anything?
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...it might of been buried deeper into the cave as a backup. ...
Possibly. Don't know, unless I knew what the original purpose of the scrolls were.
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...there are so many things coming to light but I will do my best not to dis-inform you, I am only human and I make lots of errors but I do try to correct myself if I spot the error of my ways. ...
Certainly. Let's all learn what we can here.
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...someone will go and retrieve the other copper scroll, it is worth more than all the gold and silver combined. ...
You've heard of Joseph Smith on the LDS Church? He said he found golden plates that he translated into English with the aid of special glasses. Would something like that be need with the scrolls you mention?
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...I guess I am just here to let everyone know, we are not alone!
It's obviously a big universe. You might be right.
--Lee
never mind.
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B.I.B.L.E., you say?
B.I.B.L.E. was originally a song that
was also later adapted into an e-book by someone else, for those who hadn't GOOGLED the acronym.
I can't download songs to the computer I'm on (by restrictions placed on the computer). I also have no money to spare to download the e-book.
(It may or may not depict the song accurately, anyway.)
@onthecuttingedge2005,
Have a look at this, but be quick, it's a news release, and they're often replaced on the server they originate from with fresh news articles:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090714/sc_livescience/lightrepulsivesourcediscovered
I recommend you make a hardcopy of it for future reference.
Re-Edit:
You see? Look at what happens when you click on the link. GOOGLE still has referenced hits of the article, but the original one appears to have expired.
--Lee
About 50-100 individual bacteria survived as spores on the moon for 2.6 years in vacuum and temperature swings.Strep. Mitis is its name.You can yahoo or google it up by typing in "moon bacteria".Just another reminder how much we will change the moon once we go back to stay.Triffid
There was an article written up about earth algae spores already on Mars but it was pulled or removed so who knows?Triffid
Hi Big M.
the ability of light to push or pull may arrive from whether a Photon is emitted or absorbed by a particle.
if a Photon is Absorbed it may give rise to a pull effect where the particle is drawing up the photon from the opposite direction.
if the Photon is Emitted is gives rise to a Push effect in the photons orginal trajectory.
something to think about.
Thanks.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 (Jerry) said:
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the ability of light to push or pull may arrive from whether a Photon is emitted or absorbed by a particle. ... if a Photon is Absorbed it may give rise to a pull effect where the particle is drawing up the photon from the opposite direction.
Okay. I get that.
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if the Photon is Emitted is gives rise to a Push effect in the photons orginal trajectory.
I see. Have you thought of a laser? Engineering scientists realize now that a laser will produce several pounds of thrust per square inch by merely emitting light from its output end. The higher the power output the greater the thrust.
Would that not also indicate that light acts like it has mass?
--Lee
Hi Big M.
We know that light has radiation pressure this we can be sure of.
there used to be some Physics literature on the mass of light which was so small that by physics standards was to infinitesimal to categorize as a mass unit. so I think it was never employed as a unit of mass and hence was given as a massless particle or wave.
I can no longer find the literature on the subject so I don't even want to guess as to what unit figure was nor do I remember if the literature was peer reviewed or not.
Jerry :)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...there used to be some Physics literature on the mass of light which was so small that by physics standards was to infinitesimal to categorize as a mass unit. so I think it was never employed as a unit of mass and hence was given as a massless particle or wave.
Hey, Jerry,
Well, the laser does actually move, so light must be
something massive enough to do the job.
But, I do know this:
e=mc^2
So, the energy in 'e' is measured in ergs. An erg equals one gram moved one centimeter in one second. An expression of power.
So then, a laser, emitting light isn't changing mass,
unless electrons expended in the creation of the laser beam are equal to the mass, 'm', of the equation? Electrons do have mass. Not much, but they do.
--Lee
I watched some videos on u-tube about solar sailing.It said that sunlight always exerts a pressure on any object it touches.There are scales that will weigh to a thousandth of an oz.
And it has to be kept out of sunlight or it affects the readings when they weigh GOLD in london.In connection with the gold markets.The u-tube video said it was a very slight pressure (as much pressure as a piece of paper in your hand).But its always there and can be used to send man to other planets and even on to other star systems.Triffid
Think of the pressure that sunlight exerts on the earth.Oh, it balanced out a long time ago, I guess.
But an object the size of the earth would have a lot of sunlight pressure pushing down on it.Food for thought here?Triffid
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Think of the pressure that sunlight exerts on the earth.Oh, it balanced out a long time ago, I guess. But an object the size of the earth would have a lot of sunlight pressure pushing down on it.Food for thought here?Triffid
@triffid
Yes, light pressure---according to scientists---exerts several thousand of tons of 'thrust' pressure on the sunlit side of the earth. However, nothing happens in outward orbital movement because the earth has a mass of 5.94 *10^24 metric tonnes. This figure, I remember, is from the CRC Handbook of Chemistry & Physics, a yearly published American reference.
--Lee
Like I said,it balanced out a long time ago(orbital movement of the earth).So maybe someone can figure out how to use some of that several thousand tons of sunlight pressure to shoot payloads into space?Like a ram pump in a stream of water.Which uses the pressure of the water in the the stream to pump water upstream up a certain distance.Even molecule sized payloads(water comes to mind)would have value.triffid
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So maybe someone can figure out how to use some of that several thousand tons of sunlight pressure to shoot payloads into space?
A circular solar sail 8,000 miles in diameter wouldn't have the mass of the Earth, but it would be massive enough.
(I could figure the acceleration by paper and pencil for you, but there's not enough time on this computer.)
I'll
assume, say, 1/100,000,000 of a 'G' at the Earth orbital radius. Even if the specific area of the sail was 10,000 ft^2/ton in mass, just the sail should weigh quadrillions of tons.
--Lee
A simple Crooke's Radiometer adequately demonstrates that a high probability exists that the 'solar sail' can be dramatically improved upon....
TS
If a magnetic field or electric field could be generated from a small vessel(spaceship) that was hundreds of times larger than the craft.We would not need so much mass.Let the electric field or magnetic field interact with the sunlight.Consider this as an example: . the craft itself
------------field
sun
So the first period is the spaceship itself.The dotted line represents the field and of course the word sun represents the sun.So the sunlight pushes on the magnetic or electric field.The field in turn is generated by the spaceship itself.I am assuming
there is an interaction of the photons with the field.I know of the interaction between particles from the sun and the earth's magnetic field.Its how we have the northen lights.Triffid
I will try again.
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sun
triffid
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If a magnetic field or electric field could be generated from a small vessel(spaceship) that was hundreds of times larger than the craft.
I think that's how a Bussard ramjet works. It just scoops up hydrogen protons, electrons or ion to fuse together, thus powering the ship with excess energy.
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We would not need so much mass.Let the electric field or magnetic field interact with the sunlight.Consider this as an example: the craft itself .
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sun
So the first period is the spaceship itself.The dotted line represents the field and of course the word sun represents the sun.So the sunlight pushes on the magnetic or electric field.The field in turn is generated by the spaceship itself.I am assuming there is an interaction of the photons with the field.I know of the interaction between particles from the sun and the earth's magnetic field.Its how we have the northen lights.Triffid
@all:
NOTE:This post was edited slightly for visual clarity only, compared to the immediately following post. None of triffid's words were changed, only punctuation.
@triffid:
I see what you're getting at.
Think of this:
I read in a scientific paper or magazine awhile ago that two magnetic stars
or a giant planet with a large satellite having a dense magnet core will have there magnet fields interact to such an extent, they collide sooner that if they weren't so magnetic.
Have you heard of this?
Re-edit:
Sorry for the typos above(see the correctly editted post immediately above by triffid.)
I accidentally hit 'remove formatting' before I posted this, and you it's difficult to undo that, by my experience.
--Lee
all those things are in vain.
If I had some way of protecting my white stone, without a doubt I would share it with a few maybe a dozen at most. but not the whole world. unless you figure it out of course, and I know that won't happen according to my knowledge.
I can tell you right as of now I know the answer to the solution, it took me almost 30 years of research to figure it out.
1. I need Chemists!
2. I need Mechanical Engineers!
3. I need Optical Engineers!
4. I need materials of rare nature!
5. I need Quantum Computer Technicians
5. I need Money!
6. I need a fully equipped lab!
if you can supply them to me I will share this White Stone with you.
I don't know what else to tell you other than this for the moment.
any man that helps me with these, I will share a blessing beyond belief, well at least the answers and some fun in time and space. Woo hoo!
do you know how scary it would be to travel faster than light? let along light!
if you want to set aside any doubts and just help but I need a lot more than just ideas, I need resources and I need Money to build it. you won't believe what everyone missed, or was it missed intentionally.
if nobody can help me then I need to rely on my family generations to make it so, one way or another, it will be done. with or without you. have trust and faith, this is a family thing and no one else is invited except those or are like family.
I don't care if you have to sell your house to help me, you will not be disappointed and you'll be strutting in your own Light Vehicle through time and space. you won't need all those things where we are going ;)
but I have a notion that none or not to many will come to assistance and I will be stuck being some lonely guy staring back at the Earth.
by no means that a rich man achieve heaven, he will not depart from his riches to save the kingdom. but heaven will be found upon the poor and the poor will inherit the kingdom of God.
Amen!
Jerry ;)
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all those things are in vain.
I can tell you right as of now I know the answer to the solution, it took me almost 30 years of research to figure it out.
1. I need Chemists!
2. I need Mechanical Engineers!
3. I need Optical Engineers!
4. I need materials of rare nature!
5. I need Quantum Computer Technicians
5. I need Money!
6. I need a fully equipped lab!
...if you want to set aside any doubts and just help but I need a lot more than just ideas, I need resources and I need Money to build it. you won't believe what everyone missed, or was it missed intentionally. ...
...if you can supply them to me I will share this White Stone with you. ...
...any man that helps me with these, I will share a blessing beyond belief, well at least the answers and some fun in time and space. Woo hoo! ...
...but I have a notion that none or not to many will come to assistance and I will be stuck being some lonely guy staring back at the Earth. ...
My last business associate acted similarly to yourself. He wanted a patent first and then he wanted to license his inventions out to the highest bidder,
so he could help the world.Yes, that was his actual attitude.
But he ran into resistance because he was unswayed other people's greed and he could see through their lies and efforts to swindle him out of what he worked for.
Honest, I saw this happen to him in front of me.
No one---absolutely
no one with money---was willing to give him a break. He and his customers both had the attitude: I WANT. IT. MY. WAY. ... NOT. YOURS.
Before you might ask, I'll tell you; I left him to his fate for the same reason I am with you: This is a cynical world and I'm smart enough to know why people do the things the way they do them. I'm not any different than anyone else.
I'm not going to just try and fight against a whole world of bad attidudes. That's why I don't do a whole lot outwardly. People will merely change whatever I do to suit themselves---and they will to you, too.
"There is no good man; no, not one."
--King David in the Psalm of David, both in the Jewish Torah and the letter of Paul to the Romans.
So, Jerry, I see history repeating itself by my experience. Nobody will give you what you want for nothing but your good word. To say you'll have an uphill struggle is more than a mere **understatement**. I've seen this happen before.
I wish you luck, because I think you'll need to perform a miracle to do this. That's why I wish you luck: I've been lucky myself and I seen the **impossible** happen. I know it can be done, or I wouldn't be here.
--Lee
I have 1, 2, & 5 covered. Let me know.
GB
I know from experience that most people will not act upon anything I've said here.Most people will not build a spaceship.Most people in my life don't even talk about stuff like this.I don't expect to get rich off of a patent.I do know of a family who said they wrote a coffee company back in the 1980's asking why they don't put coffee in a tea bag for people who only want one cup of coffee.Next Thing I knew one cup servings in a bag appeared quickly on the market.Later I found that this family had sent off this idea or so they said.The Mom said she wrote them back about where her money was and they sent her a letter claiming they had done market research on it(two years before) plus they don't pay for unsolicited ideas.Thinking back after she told me this.I realized those one cup servings in a bag had appeared around that timeline.So protect your ideas.They were simple people not knowing anything.She did not realize how to protect her idea.Or how to fight in court.She was busy raising a whole bunch of kids most of her life.I am not worried about the idea I presented here.I hope its used some day.triffid
everything you want to know is right here.
Jerry ;)
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... Thinking back after she told me this.I realized those one cup servings in a bag had appeared around that timeline.So protect your ideas.They were simple people not knowing anything.She did not realize how to protect her idea.Or how to fight in court.She was busy raising a whole bunch of kids most of her life.I am not worried about the idea I presented here.I hope its used some day.triffid
@triffid,
Good thinking. You're probably right, from your family's experiences. The car windshield wiper, as an invention, was stolen from the rightful inventor and a movie was made about it.
But, I think(?) I said on another thread that President Eisenhower signed an executive order that allowed the CIA and other agencies to look at all patents and then classify those that had national security applications.
Homeland Security may take a dim view of Jerry's invention, since it, the spaceship, could certainly have the potential of being turned into a terrorist weapon.
--Lee
time to reflect.
Jerry ;)
I think using sunlight to power our near future flights in space(until someone comes up with something better) is the cheapest way to go for now.Solar sailing is not so bad(there is a propellar designed ship out there now(in the works)),when folded up it's the size of a large golf bag.I saw this design on a u-tube clip.
Remember too that sailing ships on the seas used nothing but wind and ocean currents for thousands of years.No shame in solar sailing until we come up with something better.Triffid
Let me help with the solution.
the aerogel lens facing is made with LASER optical elements that amplify the photo pressure just like the process of a ruby LASER, there is a Semi-mirrored coating over its surface to reflect photons back into Aerogel LASER optical face. so in a sense the photo pressure is doubled and the Photon Pressure is released coherently.
this is the setup without the LASER defense system installed which is in the center and uses the photon pressure from the photodischarge chambers to focus the LASER light at a distant location, it is only a defence weapon.
Jerry ;)
update below.
Jerry ;)
from here on in the Flying Saucer will be called only by the name of the Lotus. the Sports model edition. just kidding.
Jerry ;)
Clean Superior Free Energy from this perfect Spaceship uses Ultra-Clear LASER Quality Solar Cells, when LASER Light is beamed through it the LASER will flood the matrix of Solar Cell Layers, this ensures that Light is continuous throughout the matrix of Solar cell arrays.
This is a called a LASER quality Ultra-Clear Solar Array Manifold. it is the most efficient at converting light into electrical energy. with the Ultra Clarity thousands of feet of optical quality Solar Cells can be activated for just a small price of LASER energy, if you wanted Over Unity then I would advise to start researching this area.
remember that this came from the perfect Spaceship concept and you know where that came from. if you become a multimillionaire using the perfect Space ship concept then please share some wealth because the spaceship needs to be built.
anyone have a rather large hanger? lol
in the Perfect Spaceship, these arrays are made of thin film Aerogel and are apart of the Uni-body of the ship itself.
The Ultra-Clear LASER Quality Flexible Aerogel Solar Cells are 'crystal grown' in layers in a high quality lab or ultra clean room using Aerogel type methods.
Jerry ;)
If you look at the incense censor in his hand you will get the first glimps of what the spaceship looks like, do you see the satellite dish on top. and the chain reed around the equator of the vehicle, this vehicle is described by every single religion on the planet and is the same exact spaceship.
Jerry ;)
Also wanted to point out that the upper part of the sphere is tessellated Aerogel, the tessellation has pressure slits that allow Highly ionized and possibly plasmas from the fusion chambers inside, the pressure leaves the top sphere out of the sides, this ship is symbolic of a fusion star and is made in the fashion of how a star functions. I know just about everything inside and out on this ship including all the planted symbology from ancient times, this picture was planted by someone from the ship because the symbology works to well for either to just be a coincident.
the other things like the scrolls and other symbolic paintings are way to advanced in symbology to be made from someone born of that age and I see the symbolisms being planted by someone from the future, the ship would cost to much money to be acquired by any one man and is probably a ship that was constructed of government money probably the U.N as some joint space mission.
it is a very advanced ship and may not be made for another century or maybe even longer from now.
what was their goal I wonder. besides time travel.
this passage is the symbology of the Lotus at the bottom of the craft:
Re:6:8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Hell is the abbreviation of High Energy LASER Light.
That is my two cents. I for some reason have this uncanny ability to spot symbols and their meanings far to well sometimes.
Jerry ;)
Sorry, I had to add this:
The tessellated Aerogel is symbolic of the dragon scales mention in several religions.
I have been studying this ship for about 20 years now so I know it pretty well, not from just one religion but all religions and that includes the Anki God who was the first recorded God of Mankind.
I would love to meet everybody on board that ship, that would be so cool. especially the one.
I know why my Daja Vu is so strong, it is because they time looped this time period and that can be the only explanation. they either went to the future and back and or the other way around. there has probably been many loops in time that they have traversed. it really messes with ones head that is for sure.
don't quote me on this but for some very odd reason I think this craft is coming back on Dec 21 2012. if it does I know not where it will land. it would probabaly be one of the clear windows for re-entry just as NASA uses to re-enter back to Earth. I can't tell you for certain but I just have that hunch.
the sun god symbol below is the symbol of the Plasma air flow pattern that emanates from the tessellated Aerogel
Jerry ;)
This design here is the inner part of the top half of the ship where fusion plasmas are produced. it is also the symbology of the much larger mirrorized satellite dish where fusion plasmas takes place.
Jerry ;)
Oh, for crying out loud not another one! We've now got God in a flying saucer... for chrissaskes!
This is seriously getting out of hand. Is this some kind of sick joke??
'Chariots of the Gods' all over again.
We seem to have one prize muppet after another around here lately and no-one barring myself seems at all troubled by this - to put it bluntly no-one gives a shit. We now just need Cap-ro or whatever is name is to support this bullshit too and we've got the full compliment of looney tunes all fully supported by the moderators!
Are you looking in Stefan? Are you simply going to let this utter nonsense go on?
If so why? What has this got to do with any kind of science?
We clearly have a religious nutcase spouting all sorts of verbal diarrhoea and this is OK with you moderators??
Stefan perhaps you should rename the forum, 'The Alice in Wonderland Forum'. It would presently seem far more apt.
You could also change your name to... I don't know... Peter Pan!
Just call me... Tinkerbell... a very concerned faerie.
some more symbology of the tessellated Aerogel and some other symbols about the ship. the Ankh is the symbol of Radio Lobe coming off the Spinning HV Antenna inside the ship, there are many of them placed symmetrically inside the ship. they are also for generating the Ultra High Plasmas that are used as propulsion. the star like symbols in this picture are the ball lightning that is a product of spinning plasma.
the wasp you see here is the symbol of the 'stinger' or the obelisk at the center of the mirror table or satellite dish.
Jerry
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Oh, for crying out loud not another one!
Is this some kind of sick joke??
We seem to have one prize muppet after another around here lately and no-one barring myself seems at all troubled by this. We just need Cap-ro or whatever is name is to support this bullshit too and we've got the full compliment of looney tunes all fully supported by the moderators!
Are you looking in Stefan? Are you simply going to let this nonsense go on?
If so why?
Stefan perhaps you should rename the forum, 'The Alice in Wonderland Forum'. It would presently seem far more apt.
You could also change your name to... I don't know... Peter Pan!
Just call me... Tinkerbell... a very concerned faerie.
What's the matter?
If I am somehow stepping on your toes or something then I really do apologize especially if it conflicts with any belief you may or may not have and since I did start this thread for exactly this purpose I will continue to expand on the info when I see fit to release it. I am just sharing something to the people that are interested in this subject, I have studied every single religion out there on this planet for 20 years and I can tell you without a doubt that I am correct.
It is the truth.
Jerry :)
You're another very sad person Jerry... that said your likes are quickly becoming the norm around here.
This thread is fuelled by three entities... at least two of which are very likely you and your alter ego. It's called Schizophrenia.
I'm just wondering where any real science comes into the equation - or are you simply going to always talk utter bollocks?
Your not stepping on my toes as such... I'm just fed up of this kind of bullshit continually being allowed to flourish on a science based forum.
Isn't there some religious crackpot forum eager for your input?
I just hope you don't go around knocking on doors on sunday afternoons preaching this crap! If you do, don't call on me and spoil my sunday dinner unless you want a black eye from my hubby.
Grow up, get an education, get a life... and stop being such a f...ing arsehole!
Quote from: Farrah Day on August 11, 2009, 07:37:23 PM
You're another very sad person Jerry... that said your likes are quickly becoming the norm around here.
This thread is fuelled by three entities... at least two of which are very likely you and your alter ego. It's called Schizophrenia.
I'm just wondering where any real science comes into the equation - or are you simply going to always talk utter bollocks?
Your not stepping on my toes as such... I'm just fed up of this kind of bullshit continually being allowed to flourish on a science based forum.
Isn't there some religious crackpot forum eager for you input?
I just hope you don't go around knocking on doors on sunday afternoons preaching this crap! If you do, don't call on me and spoil my sunday dinner unless you want a black eye from my hubby.
Grow up, get an education, get a life... and stop being such a f...ing arsehole!
Sorry about your heavy emotions on this subject but you don't have to participate in this thread, I am being really nice and as nice as I can.
I have kept my language to a respectful level and I intend on keeping it that way and I intend to only have an intellectual topic at hand, please don't ruin my thread with upset views, if you wish to discuss this further please be nice.
one of the reasons why I spotted these things is because I am a 30 year mechanical and electrical engineer and I have 2 years of college chemistry experience and started to notice scientific symbols in the literature and drawings, I am only calling what I see and I will try not to misinform you in any way, I didn't draw the stuff, I just spotted it and studied it far beyond most people.
it is not really the spaceship that gets me excited, it is the people on board the spaceship that intrigues me the most.
if there is some symbol that is not understood then please ask and I will share with you. I study many things and 'All' religions just happens to be one of them along with any other bits of wisdom I can learn. I have my own library so I can't help but know it.
I am not a preacher or a priest of any kind, I just study religions. I love ancient history.
Jerry :)
The Washington Monument is a sectional symbol of the Mirrored Satellite dish (reflection pool) with the obelisk. Thanks to Masonic cults that is.
Jerry ;)
Apparently it was not done in a corner meaning it wasn't top secret, it was a public known spacecraft probably one in the future that replaces space shuttles. no secret here.
Reference:
Ac:26:26: For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
on the back of a hundred(Century) dollar bill is the time 4:10 which is a masonic time at the Independence Hall bell tower that the ship may of first launched sometime in the distant future and I think the year was the 2626 in Acts but I am really guessing about that part so just take it with a grain of salt.
The term '33 1/2' degree mason is the symbology of the Angle of the Mirrored Satellite dish on which the Obelisk sits.
Jerry ;)
You know, I tried to keep this a secret as long as I could but I want to share so bad, I am a good man and kind and gentle man, I am so very polite to people and I don't ever tell lies. I have studied this craft very hard and tried to understand what he was telling me, it gets clearer and clearer every time I review the Literature and the Symbologies of all religions and cults including the Masons. He has blessed me while I have been on this Earth and He has protected me in times of need in his own way. I thank him and his crew for doing so, I really do.
I can't help who I am because I will be who I will be, Me! nothing else and nothing more. Sometimes I concider myself blessed that I have this opportunity but sometimes it scares the hell out of me really bad.
another thing, he has read all my posts especially this thread, This is how I think he discovered that I knew about the event, I am always monitored by him 24/7 366 days a year. and from what he said up to seventy generations in my family tree ahead of me.
He is looking after my sake and I have to look after his sake, I don't want anybody to get the wrong idea about the one in charge of this space ship and I surely don't want any harm to come to him or his crew.
Jerry
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another thing, he has read all my posts especially this thread, This is how I think he discovered that I knew about the event, I am always monitored by him 24/7 366 days a year. and from what he said up to seventy generations in my family tree ahead of me.
Hey Jerry,
I have a condition called Asperger's syndrome running in my family for
many! generations to England where my Dad's immigrant ancestor with my last name came from. People with this condition are often criticised for being 'odd' or 'goofy', but then my---past---critics had the same ancestors as me in Western Europe. That's why I myself don't criticize. Most of us are about the same from our ancestors, so I can't criticize.
--Lee
I don't feel comfortable with this thread so I am signing off on it.
I'll see you around the forum now and then when there is something interesting going on. it is way to deep for me.
.
While solar sailing is still what I consider to be the cheapest(not the shortest way) to get around our solar system.I found some kind of space drive based on generating radio waves.Check out the following website.http://www.crossfirefusion.com/spacedrive-electric-propulsion/electrodynamic-space-thruster.html triffid
I had a book once (that has long since been misplaced) that discusses a Propulsion System of Space Travelers. That it names the Omicron Nucleus.... I have also come into contact with some people from JPL that spoke to me about a device known as Tachyon Drive that can get from one end of the Universe to the other, before it leaves.... they have remarkable similarities.....
with the Omicron Nucleus, there are 4 Hollow Copper Rings filled with Mercury. If you take a Bunsen Burner Flame and rotate under each Ring.... the Mercury will revolve 4-10 times in the opposite direction.... (I forget how many)
once you have the Mercury revolving, and you remove the Flames, you replace it with an opposing Magnetic Force and it creates a Dynamo
which is basically a fluid armature..... it would create enough power to drive itself