I think most would agree that suppression is out there. I'm not an alarmist nor conspiracy theorist, but I feel it's very important to bring something to light that is concerning me and a few others.
There was a new company formed recently that threatens to put an end to all forums that discuss and share ideas and information regarding free energy research. It also threatens to put an end to inventors getting recognition for their work.
Why is there a threat?
Because this company would have all that join them believe that the research they would be doing is for the betterment of mankind, yet they do so at a profit. In addition, this is most likely only a "front" for the real objective of achieving an easy way to attract and secure promising new (or old) technologies that have not yet been fully developed, and which are a direct threat to the oil barons of the world. Think what damage would be done to these giants if free or dirt cheap energy became available to all. It's a no-brainer.
This company is heavily funded, and is recruiting brilliant minds and the intellectual property that goes with them. Should any real technology ever reach the point of maturity, will it get to market? Of course not.
Do I feel comfortable freely posting any insights I may have regarding the TPU or any other potential ou technology? Not any more I don't, and I shall not be doing so.
Why give them any advantage at all when they're not only likely to shelve the tech that may result, but would turn around and sue your ass off if you went public yourself with their IP? Will your $100/hr lawyer be able to compete with their $10k/hr law team?
This should be a concern to all. I speak only for myself, but I'd have to say that my days of disclosure are done.
Regards,
.99
PS. Do not ask about the company. I will not do them any favors by mentioning their name. It will most likely come out sooner or later anyway.
@poynt99
You're right, the big boys could always leverage anything they find on public forums and incorporate it into their latest project, however, it's a two-edged sword.
If disclosures are public, then the public has the same information they do, so 'shelving' becomes more problematic. Although they could certainly include the information in their patent claims and probably get away with it because of the fact that 'prior art' hasn't necessarily been registered yet (and patent examiners can be 'iffy'), they couldn't actually 'ice' the information since it's been disclosed publicly beforehand.
So although you couldn't mass-manufacture anything that used the process they had a claim on without a license, independent replicators (read: individuals) could still produce an embodiment for their own use, if they wished.
And you are so right about the lawyers, they could simply run you right out of money without you ever having a day in court through appeals, stays and postponements.
But public disclosure insures that the details of a project do not end up in an information 'black hole', never to be seen again. It's the only way I can see to safeguard the public's right to know.
.
Quote from: poynt99 in ~All FE Forums May Soon Be In Jeoprody~
I think most would agree that suppression is out there.
I'm not an alarmist nor conspiracy theorist,
but I feel it's very important to bring something to light
that is concerning me and a few others.
In case of FE hosting suppression
Hartiberlin could restore the backup of the forum
on another hostings of forum users.
So i would suggest my space too.
But how will he be able to ask me for similar forum help
if he did even neither reply to my gritoadmix
nor register on my forum.
ps.
Just for a visual example of the result of such administrator's ignorance
is his upgrading to SMF 2.0.X without installing of one of my mods
which fixes the SMF 2.0.X bug in quoting code.
Essentially, since upgrading, the FE forum is ALREADY RESTRICTED
from global grivitational space of information -
the forum have began to destroy the perfectness of global quoting
of other forums original posts.
Unless Hartiberlin will fix the bug -
my quotes in global format, destroyed by Ignorance,
will remind the Users
about the History of how have Monkeys destroyed Humanity..
up to the moment of possible irreversible forum suppression.
My mod can be requested in defended Dialogue topic.
99
Am I living under a false conception?
Liars for hire[lawyers] only get involved when there's money involved.
If a person uses a tech for themselves and does NOT sell or distribute this tech for profit ,no litigation!!
They can copy ANY patent or product for their ""own personal use"" without legal recourse
Am I misinformed?
Chet
Quote from: ramset on June 18, 2009, 09:27:08 AM
99
Am I living under a false conception?
Liars for hire[lawyers] only get involved when there's money involved.
If a person uses a tech for themselves and does NOT sell or distribute this tech for profit ,no litigation!!
They can copy ANY patent or product for their ""own personal use"" without legal recourse
Am I misinformed?
Chet
IMO....
You can build all you want, as long as you don't try to benefit from it by marketing AND as long as you don't tell anyone. The rules are as you say.
BUT...
If you have such a technology you also cannot share it. On the light side they can only bend your dog tags, take your retirement, etc., etc., etc. When all is done you will shut up.
What was said by that guy in the Everglades? " I've got gators in my backyard!". I don't have gators but I don't wish to relocate to the swamps, either.
Under recent changes in the laws, in the United States, patents are now granted for a term of 20 years from the date of application (14 years for design patents). Different rules apply for patents covered by applications filed before June 8, 1995. Patents may be extended only by a special act of Congress except for certain pharmaceutical patents.
Patents are public. You have the right to build it, but you cant sell it or the plans for it without permission.
The AARP
A very big organization,MANY,MANY seasoned[senior]citizens
Telling Grandma she has to freeze to death, because Grandpa got his dog tags twisted around his neck trying to keep them warm,Ain't politically correct
Any hoo ... There are many venues to help our suffering mass's[myself included] more now than ever!!
Chet
PS isolation [being alone] doesn't seem to me ,the proper course or action.
Becoming more of a community HERE and where we live is a MUCH better path
There are A LOT of very ,very smart seasoned citizens out there,looking for a way to make this world a better place!!
A Few STRONG men ,with a vision!!
Quote from: ramset on June 18, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
The AARP
A very big organization,MANY,MANY seasoned[senior]citizens
Telling Grandma she has to freeze to death, because Grandpa got his dog tags twisted around his neck trying to keep them warm,Ain't politically correct
Any hoo ... There are many venues to help our suffering mass's[myself included] more now than ever!!
Chet
PS isolation [being alone] doesn't seem to me ,the proper course or action.
Becoming more of a community HERE and where we live is a MUCH better path
There are A LOT of very ,very smart seasoned citizens out there,looking for a way to make this world a better place!!
A Few STRONG men ,with a vision!!
I see you have never had your dog tags bent :-X
Bep
No I haven't ,I guess I really don't know what that means
And that's part of the problem ,Older men that fought and worked to change the world ,carry with them HISTORY
The older they are the more of this history/knowledge they have
All the covered up, censored technologies are more personal to some as they age .[meeting your maker ,or thinking about it ,makes you reevaluate your priorities]
Men that fought in WWII or were old enough to be directly affected ,are a different breed than today's Men [just the way it is ,a different frame of reference]
They Know they can change the world ,they did it once already[that's how they feel]
Not implying anything about your age Bep
You have wisdom beyond your years "grasshopper"
All I'm saying, is these men are our biggest asset's,along with those of like mind and ability.
Chet
Poynt99,
Very interesting.
I get into some trouble with peeps who disagree when i criticize "Orion Group" for this same sort of thing; technology seems to fall into a black hole when they get a hold of it. But they are not a "company" (although they act as secretive as one lol). Imo, because of their model they are not helping the Open Source movement at all, and the reason behind it is MONEY. It's a shame, because if they did embrace Open Source they could get a lot more "bang from their buck"... Their techs are apparently all currently stuck in technical problems that we could probably solve for them FOR FREE. Eventually they could get a lot more money if they did embrace Open Source.
Regarding this new company and the danger it would pose....
No company built on the hopes of the people they recruited to get rid of oil and coal as fuels, would last long if the people who signed up for it discovered it was a sham or a con... They would just walk away and stop working for it (and take their "ball" with them), and there is not a damned thing the company officers or their lawyers could do about it.
The truth is, that Non Disclosure Agreements are a very weak and toothless article of "obedience". They can be circumvented very easily; i've known at least half a dozen business Salesmen over the years who "jumped ship" and went to work for the competition, and then beat the lawyers and threats of their old employer without any problem at all, simply by calling all their bluffs (...despite their signing very draconian NDA's). In one case i know of, the guy was sued and it was thrown out of court immediately as "baseless". These guys i knew are not used car hawkers in plaid sport-coats lol... They made $150k a year, easy.
They don't want us to realize it, but NDA's are essentially WORTHLESS. They are meant as a scare tactic to keep their peeps in line; and have no real legal "teeth".
Also, employees of a corporation can be made to Testify in court, and no NDA could stop them from doing so under Oath ( ..something G.E. , Exxon Mobile, B.P., and Siemens should remember when they are finally outed for all the many instances of corporate suppression /shelving of important technologies they have perpetrated over the years).
So anybody that signed up to this new company, then found it was a mistake or that their technology was being shelved or somehow misused; could just leave, start working on it somewhere else, and tell us about ALL the techs being worked on there at the company labs... And there is nothing that this company could do about it except posture and make empty threats. If the inventor has proofs that his / her technology or discovery existed before they signed up with the company , then it is still THEIRS no matter what they signed; this company can claim all they want but if it existed before their involvement, the best they could possibly hope for is "Exclusive Rights" to market it (and even that can be fought and won if the company broke ANY promises... Hehehe and they always do).
NO ONE CAN STOP ANYONE FROM STUDYING THESE TECHNOLOGIES!!
No one can stop us legally from Replicating them AT ALL.
No one can stop us from talking about EVERY ASPECT of them openly AT ALL, even if some dipshit corporate officer considers them a "trade secret". If you are not trying to DIRECTLY profit from it, they can go suck eggs ;)
All they can do is TRY to stop others from marketing the exact-description device for-profit if they think they "own" the rights.... All the inventor has to do is just change a small aspect or two and it is a "new" device ;)
If an NDA has wording something like: "Any concepts and ideas coming from this inventor is the property of the company".. That company is pissing up a rope and the statement is utterly meaningless. You can use that NDA to wipe dog poo from your shoe ;)
You see, the business world really is "Open Source" for the purposes of general knowledge... They just don't want us to realize it ;) Legal threats only kick-in and become a POSSIBLE viable position when someone else tries to profit from it.
This is because no one can own "Ideas". "Concepts" can't be bought-out and shelved. Only specific embodiments of these ideas can be Patented, Copyrighted, or otherwise held under Agreement. And when it comes to Free Energy devices; these technologies have literally THOUSANDS of possible applications and embodiments... Making it virtually IMPOSSIBLE to tie them all down legally.
So F-E really is a Pandora's Box that once opened, is in the Public Domain... Another important reason they don't want it to happen because every corp knows the best they could hope for would be a couple years of "exclusivity" before small business entrepreneurs could take over "their" markets simply by the vast numbers of them that will start-up world-wide (...many of these started by WE PEEPS WHO HANG OUT HERE hehehe).
So although i would agree that such a model is not "ideal", i do not think it is a serious danger to anything being studied here. Our biggest actual danger is being "talked out" of pursuing and publicizing these technologies... And although it is a minor one and no is listening to that drivel, it doesn't stop their minions from continuing to try ;)
Jibbguy
"Ditto"
99,
I know this decision does not come easy for you!!
I hope things change.
WE NEED YOU MAN!!
Chet
There will always be those who oppose what we are doing.
it is not just one group or type of groups, or even one single intention.
Some do it to protect oil interests, others to protect interests in electrical energy, or automotive markets.
while others do it out of more philosophical reasons. for instance, the fear of what mankind 'would do' with infinite energy.
or
even more common, the threat such a thing would pose to that individuals knowledge of self, energy, physics, the universe and everything.
And that my friends..... is as solid as any religion
and has been the cause of 90% of the war we are ingaged in.
i cant find a 'why' to that, because my mind apparently doesnt work that way... but it would seem these people go out of their way, wasting hours of their time - to protect their beliefs in their individual interpretation of physics.
(wether it is correct and complete, or not)
our field of research has been going on for thousands of years, and in fact has spawned innovations and advancements in every other energy/ energy-research field that has come along since.
FE-Research will never stop, the number of FE-researchers in the world is greater now than it has ever been.
They can try to corrupt our forums with negative ranting, and harass the inventors and experimenters - but they will never succeed.
it only takes one. One working FE Device. that can be replicated and that knowledge will be distributed around the world.
These forums, and the number of people/places we can affect with them, is like having the oil/energy tycoons in an industrial Check-Mate.
create the machine.device.technology.whatever that creates an unlimited supply of energy with no fuel-cost - and its game over. we win.
Quote from: poynt99 on June 18, 2009, 12:55:27 AM
I think most would agree that suppression is out there. I'm not an alarmist nor conspiracy theorist
LOL.. You are both of these! (an alarmist and conspiracy theorist). You are alarming some people, and you have no proof to support what you're staying. What company are you referring to? How could they possible "banish" all FE forums? Why do you feel this is their intent?
Quote from: poynt99 on June 18, 2009, 12:55:27 AM
Why is there a threat?
Because this company would have all that join them believe that the research they would be doing is for the betterment of mankind, yet they do so at a profit.
Hi Darren :)
I don't think there is a threat.
If there are people paying researchers to do their work then it is even better because this speeds up the overall process.
Technology cannot be stopped.
It will become public ,of that i am sure, just like all the other technological magic that is used today around the globe.
Does anybody knock at your door when you install solar panels, a windmill, or wrap a transformer?
I think not.
It's a slow process but it will win simply because we are going to run out of oil and that's a fact.
If all cars would be replaced by electric cars at once, then the grid would not be able to deliver the power needed to recharge all those automobiles in the evening, and if you could recharge them at some station, the people would all be waiting in line to get a recharge.
I already figured we could also drain the battery's and fill the cars up with fresh battery acid and so it would look like what we have now, but in reality this canot be done due to the toxic nature of the fluid.
If it would start leaking it would get really messy.
Anyway, i think it's hard to make profit of something that is free, and that's also the reason why Tesla didn't get the chance to finish his work.
I am sure you are aware of that.
Marco.
You all may take it lightly if you wish.
The warning has been issued.
Some of you may be contacted via email or PM by this group (if you haven't already), at which time you will have to decide which path you are going to take.
As long as companies exist that do this for profit, groups such as ou are in jeopardy. Posting good information (especially in a concurrent fashion) is doing so at the risk of turning an open source ideal into a capitalist free-for-all for the technology data miners out there, such as this new company in question.
My advice to anyone that has something real and revolutionary they want to disclose publicly, is that it be done en masse, and anonymously. Otherwise you'll be setting yourself up for some nasty stuff which is sure to follow.
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on June 18, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
Some of you may be contacted via email or PM by this group (if you haven't already), at which time you will have to decide which path you are going to take.
Wow, that is some pretty specific information you have there.... Where'd you get it? Or is that a secret too? Or did you just pull it out of your arse?
It is very funny to me that you first say "I AM NOT AN ALARMIST", etc..
Then start spewing all this crap w/o any proof to support what you're saying... And show that you're not just BSing people or an alarmist.
99
seems like your talking about a business venue ?
Showing folks how to wrap a few pieces of wire together to make some power
[if its that simple] and then telling them NO... don't do that
Well
That would be like getting to homeplate with a girl
and then she tells you that's not going to happen again [she slipped]
YEAH RIGHT!!
Once you've tasted the forbidden fruit ,there's no going back
Chet
Quote from: poynt99 on June 18, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
at which time you will have to decide which path you are going to take.
What if I just tell them to go f* themselves?
You have freedom of choice..choose whatever path that makes sense to you.
Chet, I'm not sure what you're getting at. This is not meant as a tease and I do not have anything to disclose at this time. News of this company is recent and has nothng to do with my current research. I am simply a concerned messenger.
I'd like to hear what others have to say about this unfolding scenario and how we might deal with it. If you choose to carry on as if nothing is different, so be it.
I'd really like to see free energy technology in the hands of the people, but with companies attracting, securing, and recruiting IP with a bottomless bank account, I don't see how that will be possible unless the FE community goes completely underground, or fully encrypted.
Anyone that has something of real value to offer the open FE community should realize that their input could very easily (covertly) and unknowingly be pulled out from under them. In reality, anyone can do this, but very few if any have the power to use it and do something productive with it, only later to "secure" it until such time the powers that be realize it's time to roll out the high tech energy era due to dwindling energy reserves.
.99
99
My example was not meant to imply you have anything to release
It just seems to me that OUR FE world grows ever closer to becoming a reality every day.
And I must admit your post threw me off ,Perhaps being a minion in these en devours has left me clueless to the realities
You are a true Hero of this cause and I did not mean to belittle your concerns in any way
Chet
IMHO, there are a few individuals here that could be contacted, but I can count them on one hand.
I have not shared the company name with anyone, and those asking me via PM for more info can simply wait it out. I'll not do them any favors.
Trust me, if you need to be contacted, you will be found eventually. The FE community is relatively small and it's just a matter of time before they find you. Failing that, I'm sure someone will eventually figure this out and post the website, at which time they'll have so many damn inquiries, they may have to disable or pull their website.
.99
nice article on the situation:
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_world_of_free_energy.htm
A quote from the article above:
QuoteThere is really only ONE FORCE preventing the public availability of free energy technology, and that is the unspiritually motivated behavior of the human animals.
another quote from the article above:
QuoteIt is imperative that you begin to gather all of the information you can on real free energy systems. The reason for this is simple. The first two Forces will never allow an inventor or a company to build and sell a free energy machine to you! The only way you will ever get one is if you, or a friend, build it yourself.
This is exactly what thousands of people are already quietly starting to do. You may feel wholly inadequate to the task, but start gathering information now. You may be just a link in the chain of events for the benefit of others.
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
To quote The Buzz
"I'm biting my lip so hard its BLEEDING"
Chet
GRUMPULA say it aint sooo...[this is the bad guy that's harvesting talent?}
Chet,
It's not Lindemann, although I would not be surprised to see him get involved at some point.
.99
99
Thanks !!
Chet
Quote from: Grumpy on June 18, 2009, 07:42:46 PM
The only way you will ever get one is if you, or a friend, build it yourself.
This is exactly what thousands of people are already quietly starting to do.
Exactly, and this has got nothing to do with anybody's payroll or people hiring other people because they think they can make a profit or any other reason.
So stop the bullshit.
I often wonder why some people are so sensetive to all that crap.
If you want one, build one, and that's about it!
M.
@ Chet
Bud. why are you lading kudos on someone who started a topic that should be very controversial, with out a "who" or "why"?
I have not problems w/ someone giving me fair warning about a predatory element within the F/E community, but it loses a lot of it's credibility when they won't tell you what to be aware of!
@poynt
Do it or shut up. F/E has enough to work against without working against itself. If you have pertinent info that underscores your post, please share it, or what is the purpose of an alarmist statement such as you start this thread with?
I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong, just that you're doing it the wrong way.
How can I be warned against something when I'm not told what it is?
Please consider that when you make such claims of subversion.
I have no problems with you doing so as long as it serves a purpose, and without the necessary criteria to do that, your "warning" action CAN do as much to splinter the F/E community as any mellifluous action used to stifle F/E research from "THEY".
An ambiguous warning may be of more harm than no warning @ all.
If you REALLY want to do this favor to your fellow F/E enthusiast, tell them WHO to be afraid of, or shut up.
I have the evening news to try to introduce fear and loathing into my daily life.
head toward the light... release open source and all will be fine. I'm sure if anyone develops a practical FE device then they will make a mint just off book and plan sales alone without doing anything else, if they also orchestrated manufacture and distribution they would become filthy rich, after all they have the added kudos of being the first one to develop it. just look how much attention mylow was starting to get, blogs and tech sites were all over him. the news would spread like fire if it were being replicated.
this mysterious company needs to be told "no thankyou, it's just a hobby for me, I like to keep it casual and fun" which is a polite way of saying "f*** right off!"
I will also say this, this forum professes to be open source at heart. So I think there should be no private messages, only messages, I would have no problem having my PM list open for all to read should they wish. Informational privacy is the seed of what many would call conspiracy. The forum should not have PM nor should email correspondence be allowed. Why the need to take someone into a corner and whisper something to them. That's the behaviour of the insecure. Keep it all out in the open, warts and all! Resitance is futile... lol.
But seriously, keep playing and stay open, it's the only way to trounce the tyrants.
I hope that you are not referring to the "XSF" concept from Vlad over at Zpenergy.
Imo, it is not what you are suggesting, although it is not exactly "Open Source" either... It is something in between and unique in that sense, and the outcome would be O-S in the end from my understanding of it. I don't agree 100% with everything in that concept (i think the "Panacea-BOCAF" concept/model of a University Research Center would be more effective world-wide if properly funded), but XSF has some very interesting aspects and some good promise... And "results" will be the final arbitrator ;)
It is important to remember, that if a commercial venture for F-E is allowed to come to market, that will still allow us to reach our Goals. For instance: Should such a thing be allowed finally by the status quo, it means that the suppressions in the mainstream media regarding F-E technologies will be over as well (otherwise, the device would not have been permitted to come to market in the first place). So the device / technology can then be widely publicized, and Public Awareness about F-E greatly raised. Open and sincere University studies will then happen; and the suppression house of cards comes crashing down for good.
Once a device is being marketed, we simply reverse-engineer it, come up with parallel applications with slight changes, and Open Source the hell out of it ;) They can't stop that, and once out of the bag, its too late. The world will still benefit... The O-S versions of the basic technology being reproduced all over the planet by thousands of concerned peeps, being reported on, being accepted and implemented. Meanwhile, the markets we are talking about here are so HUGE... That any inventor with a successful working device that comes to market via the commercial route is still a Multi-Billionaire.
We are not "communists". Inventors SHOULD benefit from their great work, it is just that so far, they have not been allowed to when it comes to Free Energy. If this finally changes, it's "a good thing" imo, and still spells the end of using fossil fuels ;)
Quote from: jibbguy on June 19, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
We are not "communists". Inventors SHOULD benefit from their great work, it is just that so far, they have not been allowed to when it comes to Free Energy. If this finally changes, it's "a good thing" imo, and still spells the end of using fossil fuels ;)
But inventors have been allowed to profit. Look at all the solar, wind and geo technologies in use today.
The difference is in the cost verses oil and coal... When much more expensive than using oil, these conventional alternative energy techs are allowed to come to market without hindrance. Lol, B.P. is even one of the largest suppliers of solar cells in the world today (and are rumored to be now sitting on much more efficient designs).
When much cheaper than fossil fuels, the techs have not been allowed to be marketed.... Either through Patent "secretization" in the name of "national security", or through other means such as corporate shelving, legal harassments, and in the past; murder and strong-arm tactics.
Some are oblivious and others may just be playing games (spare me the reprisal).
In a sense, maybe it would have been better to have addressed only this handful of folks directly, although that was not my first instinct. Rather, I felt all here should be given the opportunity to protect themselves and their knowledge if they so choose, given the knowledge that there is a group of individuals out there seeking to recruit inventors and other insightful individuals, secure promising or partly developed technologies, and glean whatever useful that may be found on these forums etc., all for profit, without acknowledgment to the originator, and not open-sourced.
Once in a blue moon there is bona-fide, valuable information presented on this forum, but it is rare. This of course is the stuff they are interested in.
Even if this company is indeed in it to acquire brilliant minds and technologies, and to try to bring a viable FE product to market, it will not happen on their say. So either way, YOUR ideas, inventions, diagrams, concepts etc, could end up "on the shelf" without you even knowing. Go ahead and try to market it or open-source it yourself. If they did covertly capture and develop your idea to maturity before you did, then you'd be in deep poo poo.
Myself, and I know of 3 others as well here that are now screening our own posts because of this debacle. There is already evidence of "information/concept/idea theft" from this forum.
.99
99
Quote> given the knowledge that there is a group of individuals out there seeking to recruit inventors and other insightful individuals, secure promising or partly developed technologies, and glean whatever useful that may be found on these forums etc., all for profit, without acknowledgment to the originator, and not open-sourced.<end quote
This sounds like an average day in the life of an R+D engineer
If someone here figured out what Tesla did in the last century,
patents and all.
Would they,could they, end up in poo poo [in a court room???]
Chet
PS
the Buzz threw himself out of this Forum but I sure would love to here his opinion on this [seeing as how his wife is a patent attorney]
The technology is out there.
Who profits from this technology is yet to be determined.
It's about money, freedom is along for the ride.
Now, say you got the goods, you don't have the funds to perfect it or market it, but a company like Chava Energy does. They cut you a deal and your goods become their goods.
What happens after that is anyone's guess...
Grumpy
quote>
What happens after that is anyone's guess...
end quote
DUST... dust is what happens next, all over the shelves in the patent office
D U S T .....
Chet
Before the forums are locked down, i would like all of you to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_16dqfQIk
and if u live in the world, u mite learn somthing about,well, somthing
Chava is not interested in surpressing revolutionary energy technology but in putting it into mass production asap.
Anyone studying our website ought to be able to figure that out pretty easily.
Inventors working with Chava who have something of merit are the basis of the Company. We cheer them on!
Best of luck to you and Chavez, Mark ;)
We're rooting for your success, too :)
_________________________________
Regarding the original thread topic, here's a place concerned folks can go to sign online petitions to keep the internet free from corporate control:
http://www.savetheinternet.com
Quote from: poynt99 on June 18, 2009, 12:55:27 AM
I think most would agree that suppression is out there. I'm not an alarmist nor conspiracy theorist, but I feel it's very important to bring something to light that is concerning me and a few others.
If my observation is correct, suppression is mainly in the form of withdrawal of financial support (and political support) for the FE research community. The wall street is probably is the best place to follow where the money goes.
Edit: Removed the first paragraph.