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Title: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: mcsquare on June 21, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Hi, all.
I would like you to have a look at this.
I'm a newbe, and I have superficial knowledge on the scientific principles of magnetism.
But I was playing around with four small magnets stuck on a CD, each with their north to the same
side and I saw it was incredebly easy to have it spin with a fifth magnet pulsing at the right moment
to repell. So I thought the spinning could generate the power to have an elecromagnet pulse at the right moment. Maybe have the electricity generated by the spin fill a capacitor or a coil, like in cars
then at breaking the circuit, use the higher voltage to have an electromagnet pulse to repell the permanent magnet on the disc. Their will surely be more electronics involved, maybe a battery
or so, but before to start a bit more serious try, with car-parts I was thinking, I'd like to know what you guys think, or maybe someone has already tried this?
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: jas_bir77 on June 22, 2009, 04:25:54 AM
look up adams motor he eas one of the pionears.
at http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: gravityblock on June 22, 2009, 04:54:17 AM
Quote from: jas_bir77 on June 22, 2009, 04:25:54 AM
look up adams motor he eas one of the pionears.
at http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm

What mcsquare posted is not an Adams motor.  You will learn a lot from researching the Adams motor though.  I like your design mcsquare.  Research the Muller Motor also.  It is similar to the Adams motor.  Not sure if I spelled Muller right or not.

I have built an Adams motor without the cold electricity or Over Unity affect.  It is one hell of a Pulse motor though.  Maybe If I added more than 2 stator coils and more than 4 magnets on the rotor that I currently have with a better mechanical switch and get the timing right, I may notice the "cold" affect.

It is essential to follow the instructions to the very letter if you decide to build the Adams motor.

Good luck,

GB
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: mcsquare on June 22, 2009, 04:44:37 PM
Thanx for the replies (was a bit afraid for "oh this has already been tried", forget it, won't work")
I will surely get into studying Adams and Muller (Müller?) But what I would like to built is the idea
I scetched in the 3d program, start with an alternator, an inductive coil, some strong magnets and
lots of copperwire...
Last night I was reading about Bedini motors, and their is some similarity with them too.
Oh, so much studying to do. I hope we can make this generator work, hope you will all help me when needed, hope to share with all if it works.
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: TinselKoala on June 22, 2009, 06:20:16 PM
Oh, this has already been tried, forget about it, it won't work.


There, feel better now? I certainly do.
:D

(They are fun and educational to build, though. Here's one that doesn't generate anything but is alleged to have no armature back reaction, thanks to Stefan Marinov and Sergei Nikolayev.)


Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: mcsquare on June 23, 2009, 09:11:20 AM
Feel better? I don't  :-\
Did a little scetch in photoshop:
The coil is constantly charging until breakerpoint breaks contact.
Magnetic field collapses and generates high output voltage to electromagnet
which repells permanent magnet on disc and has another coil to output current...

to be continued... ;D
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: mscoffman on June 23, 2009, 12:02:19 PM

Two things to consider mcsquare;

First; Consider how one would measure the continuous power
going into the pulse coil using a capacitor (large electrolytic,)
and the sawtooth waveform through a fixed resistor from
a DC powersupply.

Second; An Automobile Alternator sometimes has a charge
Regulator built-in, but always requires wiring to an acid/lead
battery to excite it's field coils. There are posts on here that
show how to do it. It's possible to use a magneto (a small
DC motor with permanent magnets in the field and mechanical
commutation, used in reverse ) as a low power generator,
without using a battery.

In any case you will need to maximize the electric power
p=e*i with a selected load resistor (selected to maximize
the mathematical product of measured "e" the voltage times
the measured "i" the current, at the same time).

You can see if you do both the first and the second steps you
correctly should be able to prove or disprove overunity by
producing more power then you are consuming on average.

If you don't use the above method, you simply have;

http://mcqueenmachine.com/patent.html

or this;

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_110130106.html

or...

...And these obviously have already been done.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: permanent- & electromagnet motor
Post by: mcsquare on June 24, 2009, 03:37:27 PM
OK mscoffman, thanks for the info
I had no idea a car alternator needs power to be able to give power (?)
Maybe not bad to incorporate a battery, although complicates design a bit.
For capacitor I thought a car ignition inductive coil could do. It's what it does
in a car... charges from alternator until breakerpoints have magnetic field collapse
then it generates a very high voltage (upto 10.000 V) normaly used for the sparkplug
but in my case for a electromagnet...
Am I on the right track?