Hans has been missing in action for a while...could it be he has finally perfected his controversial piss mobile ?
More here...
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/28/Your-Car-and-Home-Could-Soon-Be-Powered-By-Your-Urine.aspx
Regards...
If you were to have told me a month ago that it would be possible to power our planet off of urine-waste I would have never believed it, but it looks like there are several advantages to using it over plain water that it actually may be feasible. The lower voltage to produce hydrogen and a basically unlimited supply means this may be the overunity answer. I have no idea how long it would take me to produce a gallon of urine, but with almost six billion people on the planet I could see that we could solve the collection puzzle pretty easily if we set our minds to it.
"Fill 'er up!" will have a whole new meaning!!! :D 8)
Got a spare bedroom for a cow ?
They give urine by the bucket.
Regards...
The problem is urine is 95% water. One person will give out maybe 75 mL of urea per day.
Has anyone here tested this by experimenting with it?Its so easy just to repeat misinformation.All you have to do is sit in an armchair and click.Each human produces enough urine.As someone who experimented with high freq.electrolysis in the past and as someone who has seen "hover shoes" on the internet.If something is too good to be true it usually is too good to be true.A lot of people are out there on the internet misleading others for kicks.I once spent a month doing an experiment that turned out to be a fake.Here in this article they claim the voltage is greatly lowered from 1.23 volts to .034 volts.I got .04 volts out of a crystal radio set.I put one together and used a voltmeter to measure the output.Urine(urea) turns into ammonia like in 2 or 3 days or 4 days.Triffid
Ok ,thats .037 volts its supposed to drop to.I went crazy and said .034 volts.Sorry,My points the same however.Do some experimenting.Do more experimenting.Triffid
In countries whose government is run by shit, running your cars on piss could be easily possible.
Newbie question.
Does the water need to be taken out of the urine first, to get the low voltage break-up from urea?
If so, do the two have different evaporation properties? I suppose a large-surface stainless steel area installation could take the water out by evaporation.
@cloxxi
remember electricity takes the path of least resistance.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on July 31, 2009, 06:48:18 AM
@cloxxi
remember electricity takes the path of least resistance.
Thanks for reminding me. This means that if we apply electricity to the urine itself, the urea will break apart just fine. Just, we're stuck with the water. Just hose it in the sewage at the gas station (or urinoir collection outlet) when we refill urine?
The question then would be, which kinds of km/l we'd attain running on unpurified urine, being 95% water which will remain water, and even stay in the tank as dead weight.
I did a calculation on this previously in this thread link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7727.msg190158#msg190158
This process requires the addition of potassium, I am assuming in the form of potassium hydroxide in order for the binding of carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide which would be a by-product of this electrolysis process. The by-products would be nitrogen, hydrogen, and potassium carbonate.
I don’t think they would use this process in our cars. I believe the plan is to use this low-voltage process to produce the hydrogen and we would then have to buy the hydrogen from them to use in our cars. The by-products would then be collected and sold for a profit by the company that uses this process.
For the average person I don’t see a practical way that we could use this at home or in our cars.
5% uric acid (urine) would produce 2.24 liters (maximum theoretical) of hydrogen per 60 grams of urine. A gallon of urine is slightly higher in density than water but if we use the density of water we get:
3785 g Urine X 2.24 L of Hydrogen = 141 Liters of hydrogen.
Gallon Urine 60 g. of Urine
That’s how much hydrogen could theoretically be yielded from a gallon of urine.
How far can you travel on 141 liters of hydrogen? Who knows!
I know some people I'd like to run the piss out of. They could run my truck. ;D
@ResinRat2
Hi ,
a 100 hp engine consumes beween 500 and 700 litres per minute at full load and at least 200 litres per minute at low load. So you should be able to reverse your car out of driveway and make the first intersection.
That is assuming those calculations of hydrogen out put per gallon of Urea is correct.
However given that a gallon of water releases at least 3000 litres of hydrogen I think we need to revisit the calculation.
Kind Regards
Mark
I don't think that would go over big with the natives.
here I am in my time machine space craft, the Mayans & Aztec are watching me pull something out of my pocket and inserting it into the gas tank all the while trying to explain the concepts of the Universe to the ancient civilization of the Inka's.
I'll pass, it doesn't fit the continuity and explanation of the workings of the Universe all in one perfect ship or the unvailing of such.
Jerry ;)
But your honor...you gotta believe me...I was just filling up my gas tank.
This technology would be strictly limited to males who can aim in the gas/piss tank. Fail.
Much better is a full-sized car with pedals like the one driven in Toronto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwig1tgUtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwig1tgUtY)
@ResinRat
If the system produces CO that would be a great enhancement. In that case the entire urea molicule will be converted into gas (mostly flammable) with exception of the N2.
If the system produces CO it will not be good for fuel cells.
I don't think URINE is the answer - UREA is, and its cheap for now.
Tho, a rabbit hutch properly designed, can make fuel and dog food from hay and water...
2H2 & co & N2 is the basic result from biomass and petroleum thermal gasification like woodgas BUT much much cleaner than pyrolysis gas production.
Dave
Quote from: markdansie on August 02, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
@ResinRat2
Hi ,
a 100 hp engine consumes beween 500 and 700 litres per minute at full load and at least 200 litres per minute at low load. So you should be able to reverse your car out of driveway and make the first intersection.
That is assuming those calculations of hydrogen out put per gallon of Urea is correct.
However given that a gallon of water releases at least 3000 litres of hydrogen I think we need to revisit the calculation.
Kind Regards
Mark
I wasn't taking the water into account because the low-voltage component here is the urea. Since urine is 5% urea I just calculated it using that number. You are correct that water has a huge amount of hydrogen, but at higher voltage.
Hey wait...before you piss out that Mountain Dew...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6j7mtYXC7o&feature=player_embedded
Regards...
Mountain Dew power heh.
The inventor mentions that you still need 20-25% hydrocarbon... so a quarter of it still needs to be gas. The demand for soda will quickly overwhelm stores and drive soda prices through the roof.
I don't think much 'Dew' will be needed using Paul Pantone's 'Geet' system...which by the way, his plans are now offered for free on his web site.
He only asks for a cut, if you use his plans commercially.
Regards...
Not to mention that the gov is now thinking of taxing soda pops too.
Just a sad bunch of greedy assholes.
thay
Though it was meant for something else, I think it is fitting here as well.
2Ki:18:27: But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you.
Rab-shakeh = chief of the princes, the name given to the 'chief cup-bearer' or the vizier of the Assyrian royal court.
I am not preaching, I am just sharing.
I will pass on the energy drink and the pattee.
Jerry ;)