Total access to your computer files and information. Unbelievable!
STAY OFF cars.gov!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE&feature=haxa_popt00us09
I tried to access the site without success. Maybe they realized they've been exposed and now they need to modify their site so as to hide the intial disclaimer. Thoughts anyone? I wonder if you participate at a dealership, if your forced to sign in at this site from your e-mail address? Be sure to bring your lap top.
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Quote from: ResinRat2 on August 01, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Total access to your computer files and information. Unbelievable!
STAY OFF cars.gov!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE&feature=haxa_popt00us09
That disclaimer might be frightening, but that's all it is ... It doesn't guarantee they are accessing your personal information, etc... If true, the CARS.gov site would have to be capable of "hacking" into your computer to access personal information, etc... This would be a serious security flaw in any web browser. If it was happening security gurus would be all over it, and it would be all over the web.
They're just fear mongering in that video. "everything in your computer is theirs" This is just inaccurate/misleading.
I don't buy it.
You're just not concerned because you are an Obama supporter. It this had happened during the Bush years you would have been concerned. Were you concerned about the Patriot Act? I would hope so, just as many US citizens were.
Quoting the website: "This application provides access to the DoT CARS System. When logged onto the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government.
Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
This is the same as simply voluntarily suspending our Fourth Amendment rights and the Government will no longer ever need a warrent to go through all you personal computer files. Even going so far as to copy or audit them. Just because you don't think they will is no reason to blow this off as nothing. You are just trying to delude yourself into thinking there is no cause for concern here. Obviously you also don't like Fox News or Glenn Beck. That's fine. All they are doing is quoting directly from the website. If that's fear mongering to you then you might as well not even bother worrying. Just go put your head in the sand and sing a song to yourself.
This is comparatively the same as voluntarily giving up your rights to unauthorized search and seizure. Meaning your house could be entered at anytime and searched without a warrent. I wonder if that would concern you at all either? Oh that's right, the Obama Administration would NEVER do that, eh? Just because they could doesn't mean that they will, right?
To the rest of those who are concerned, this just shows that your Champion Obamaman has no more respect for your privacy or rights than Bushman did.
Just for the record, I never defended Bush either. His goals were the same as Obama's and the rest of the New World Order crowd: Total control over every aspect of your life and mine.
Quote from: ResinRat2 on August 02, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
You're just not concerned because you are an Obama supporter. It this had happened during the Bush years you would have been concerned. Were you concerned about the Patriot Act? I would hope so, just as many US citizens were.
I'm just familiar with how web browsers and the internet work... If a website did try to access personal data, your web browser would most likely warn you before hand..
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Quoting the website: "This application provides access to the DoT CARS System. When logged onto the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government.
Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
I still just think this is a "hardcore" disclaimer designed to discourage fraud. If the "DoT, and law enforcement personal" suspected fraud, they could basically ransack your PC without a warrant, etc. But the keyword here is "may" .. I think you guys are just running away with this... The web site cannot access your personal files at will (which is the context FOX news was using), imho... But the law enforcement personal can, and will, if they feel the need... This just doesn't really concern me, since I don't commit fraud.
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This is the same as simply voluntarily suspending our Fourth Amendment rights and the Government will no longer ever need a warrent to go through all you personal computer files. Even going so far as to copy or audit them. Just because you don't think they will is no reason to blow this off as nothing.
Like I said, I think this "audit" could ONLY occur if you were suspected of commiting CARS fraud... I doubt it applies to any unrelated circumstances.
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All they are doing is quoting directly from the website. If that's fear mongering to you then you might as well not even bother worrying. Just go put your head in the sand and sing a song to yourself.
What? Dude, they're totally freeking out over a DISCLAIMER, they're warning people not to go to the site, etc..... NOT just quoting the CARS.org site in a non-bias manner.. They are fear mongering. Period.
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This is comparatively the same as voluntarily giving up your rights to unauthorized search and seizure. Meaning your house could be entered at anytime and searched without a warrent. I wonder if that would concern you at all either? Oh that's right, the Obama Administration would NEVER do that, eh? Just because they could doesn't mean that they will, right?
It would concern me if that happened without a good reason, but I just have serious doubts that it will.
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To the rest of those who are concerned, this just shows that your Champion Obamaman has no more respect for your privacy or rights than Bushman did.
Now you're just spewing baseless speculation (just like FOX news) ...
That disclaimer doesn't disrespect ANYONES rights or privacy... If the FEDS act on it, that may or may not be "disrespecting your rights" that's up to the lawyers/judge... But you are pretty much assuming they're going to act on it and start taking everyones PCs (just because they visited cars.org) ... This is nonsense.
Btw, What makes you so sure Obama had anything to do with that disclaimer? Oh, oh... wait.. I know.. It's a big conspiracy, right? And Obama is the mastermind?
Yeah thats it! They want to spy on us through a new web site that Oboma created to find out if we're terrorist plotting to buy cars to use in bombings. And if you like to tend a garden and use fertilizer and you buy diesel for your truck they will come and get you. And health zcar people visit you and tell you when they want you to die and and and you know! Wow I think I'm gettin dizzy. ???
Obviously you are not well versed in our government and the army of hackers it employs there are several exploits for any OS that give full control of files like this and using a program to exploit to obtain control is always the method and most times it is the web browser that starts the hijack then waits for you to trigger it by doing something as simple as closing the browser or pushing the back button it causes code to be run without permission the same way hackers run code unsigned on game systems ...
Believe this it is very real.
Fear mongering nope not at all simply fact.
This is going on a limb but have you ever seen an antitrust case go through the govt so fast as MS ??
I will bet money there are built in back doors that MS puts in the systems that high officials of cyber authority have as well as high officials of tech support and law enforcement have as well.
Some of them have been documented over the years to boot.
Quote from: infringer on August 02, 2009, 10:32:31 PM
Obviously you are not well versed in our government and the army of hackers it employs there are several exploits for any OS that give full control of files like this and using a program to exploit to obtain control is always the method and most times it is the web browser that starts the hijack then waits for you to trigger it by doing something as simple as closing the browser or pushing the back button it causes code to be run without permission the same way hackers run code unsigned on game systems ...
I would
assume the government does have a group of professional hackers as well... But I don't know for fact, and I doubt you do either.
However, if cars.org is really hacking into personal computers via whatever exploits/backdoors it might be using... Computer security experts will bring it to light, and everyone will know about it... That's how it works.
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Fear mongering nope not at all simply fact.
I think you're wrong, and jumping to conclusions with the others... Can you prove cars.gov is hacking into PCs?? Noooo... I didn't think so.
The real question here is how Glen Beck and others like him get away with being total rah-rah butt-boys for the bush admin a year ago, but now are wacky tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists regarding the new regime.
Lol don't these people see the dichotomy here? That when their people were in power, it was all "OK" and "logical"; and that now since their phony party built on division and polarization are out of power.... Somehow THE SAME EXACT STUFF is now labeled "Evil"???
Geez how stupid do they think people are lol?
What even the most brainwashed partisan must eventually come to realize, is that BOTH sides are equally corrupt and evil... And rejecting BOTH of their absurd lies, and requiring real accountability to the Rule of Law, is the only way we will ever see any real change.
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The real question here is how Glen Beck and others like him get away with being total rah-rah butt-boys for the bush admin a year ago, but now are wacky tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists regarding the new regime.
Lol.. Well, this is FOX news we're dealing with here... But I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn Beck gets some serious criticism over his cars.org segment... "Good Gawd, Almighty!"
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Lol don't these people see the dichotomy here? That when their people were in power, it was all "OK" and "logical"; and that now since their phony party built on division and polarization are out of power.... Somehow THE SAME EXACT STUFF is now labeled "Evil"???
Geez how stupid do they think people are lol?
What even the most brainwashed partisan must eventually come to realize, is that BOTH sides are equally corrupt and evil... And rejecting BOTH of their absurd lies, and requiring real accountability to the Rule of Law, is the only way we will ever see any real change.
I think the dems are the lesser of the two evils... How many ignorant voters are out there who vote republican due to some conspiracy theory?
Lots of voters vote Republican just because they thought Obama would take away all their guns.... (now they're stocking up on ammos/guns)
How many poor/middle class people vote republican because the "Democrates give everyone something for nothing" ... When in fact the GOP mostly supports the wealth (and ultra wealthy) ...
How many voters vote republican because they're racist, and not into mexicans/blacks?
I'm just curious how many of the republican voters based their vote on some fallacy vs the democrate voters.... imo, the democrates are the least ignorant of the two groups ...
Quote from: newbie123 on August 02, 2009, 06:59:10 PM
I'm just familiar with how web browsers and the internet work... If a website did try to access personal data, your web browser would most likely warn you before hand..
LMFAO what's it going to say? "warning conspiracy ahead"?
sorry, that's not how the internet and web browsers work. if you think that is how it works, i'll give you a web address to go to where i will hack your data and you can tell us all what warning your browser or the internet gave you... moron.